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Nov. 30, 2021 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: 6 million illegals to be amnestied under Build Back Better

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	I don't remember when you all, it's not a question, but I'm just curious, when you became the largest food retailer in the country.
	and But I've spent more time walking through the aisles of Walmart than I want to admit because there's one right down the street from where I live in Delaware.
	Yeah, right.
	Wasn't it Scranton?
	Spent lots of time walking down the aisles in Walmart.
	That is the man who sadly bears the title President of the United States.
	Whatever they inject him with prior to his national addresses, I think they ran out of it yesterday because, man, do we have a panoply, a cornucopia of clips of a senile, doddering old man who's not mentally there.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First on the Salem Radio Network.
	I'm just going to give you three names.
	We will be joined today by Lord Conrad Black.
	We will be joined by my townhall.com colleague, Colonel K, Kurt Schlichter.
	And super excited about this one.
	The third hour of the show will be with my favorite podcasters outside of the United States.
	Yes, I'm not gonna offend anybody by choosing sides here in America.
	I think you know who I like.
	But when it comes to product content providers outside of our sunny shores, there's one podcast I love more than any other.
	When it comes up on my feed, I listen to it immediately or download it for later listening.
	And the co-hosts of that podcast will be joining me one-on-one or is it two-on-one if it's two guests?
	I guess it's two-on-one for the third hour of America First.
	Don't miss a scintillating second of everything we have to provide for you today.
	Please make sure you have subscribed, not only to the podcast, just look for my name wherever you get your podcasts, whichever service you use, just look for Sebastian Gawker, America First, subscribe today.
	And of course, the video feed is available at rumble.com.
	Before I get to my first topic of the day, we have to give you news updates.
	There is a high school in Michigan in Oxford, the town of Oxford.
	There has been a school shooting today.
	The latest reports are three students Three students have died, six are wounded, and the suspect, we have no identity, the suspect has been apprehended.
	We will give you later updates as soon as we have them.
	What is rule number one of politics in the post-Alinsky age?
	Never, ever apologize.
	I was a little taken aback by what has occurred in the last few days.
	A video went viral over the weekend of a friend of the show, a great American, Lauren Bobbitt, Colorado Congresswoman, who was at some event and she cracked a joke about her fellow Congresswoman, Ilhan Omar, the Somali-American who detests
	detests this nation, who wants to see, and has said this on record, every police force disbanded, who is a rank anti-Semite and has never yet apologized for any of her bigotry, any of her racism.
	And the joke was the following.
	Lauren Bobbitt got into one of the lifts on Capitol Hill, one of the elevators, With her staff, one of her staff members, along with Ilhan Omar.
	And as the doors were closing, a member of the capital police force was rushing to the elevator.
	And she tried to keep the doors open but couldn't.
	She looked at Ilhan and she said through the closing doors, it's okay officer, she doesn't have a backpack.
	Now, I think that's quite funny.
	Why?
	Because, well, Ilhan Omar is pro certain organizations that have a terroristic bent.
	And she is, isn't she?
	Jeff, help me out here for a second.
	Isn't Ilhan Omar, isn't she the one who said Some people did something about 9-11?
	Yes, that would be her.
	Okay, thank you.
	I just, you know, I gotta have that sanity check now and again.
	So this is the woman who said about the deadliest terror attack in the modern age, 3,000 innocent men, women, and children murdered in 102 minutes in Manhattan, in Pennsylvania, in DC, that it was, you know, some people did something.
	So she deserves, she deserves to be lampooned.
	Sadly, because of the hyenas, the jackals in the mainstream media and the Democrat Party, as my friend says, but I repeat myself, that's Chris Platt, Lauren Boebert thought she needed to apologize and she did.
	She called up Ilhan Omar and this is what happened.
	Play cut.
	This is Lauren with a quick update on a phone call I had today with squad member Ilhan Omar.
	I had reached out to her Friday and three days later I was able to connect with her on the phone because I wanted to let her know directly that I had reflected on my previous remarks.
	Now, as a strong Christian woman who values faith deeply, I never want anything I say to offend someone's religion.
	So I told her that, even after I put out a public statement to that effect.
	She said that she still wanted a public apology because what I had done wasn't good enough.
	So I reiterated to her what I had just said.
	She kept asking for a public apology.
	So I told Ilhan Omar that she should make a public apology to the American people for her anti-American, anti-Semitic, anti-police rhetoric.
	She continued to press, and I continued to press back.
	And then, Representative Omar hung up on me.
	Rejecting an apology and hanging up on someone is part of cancel culture 101, and a pillar of the Democrat Party.
	So why did you call her?
	We respect you for being a fighter.
	And I just texted her, and I do this as a friend, and I said to Congresswoman Lauren Boebert, never apologize.
	They still hate you and America.
	What's the point?
	This is the party that has said on the day of her swearing in, this is Rashida Tlaib, the other member of the squad, we're going to impeach the MF-er in front of her little child standing next to her.
	This is the party, yesterday we played the card from Maxine Waters, that called every Republican evil.
	So why do we apologize?
	This is the party that to this day, to this day, hasn't apologized for saying what about you, Lauren Beaumont?
	About your fellow Republican congressmen and women?
	AOC and others said that on January the 6th, they thought you were going to kill them.
	Yes, not the crazy guy in the shaman hat, Not the weirdo loser with the tattoos.
	You!
	You Republican representatives were going to kill Democrat members of Congress.
	That's not a funny joke about an elevator.
	That's calling you a potential mass murderer.
	Has anybody apologized?
	Once!
	For any of that!
	For the anti-Semitism!
	For calling you murderers!
	For saying we're going to impeach the MF-er!
	Of course they haven't.
	Why?
	Because they never will.
	Because they are motivated by one thing and one thing alone.
	And we say it here often enough.
	Engrave it.
	Engrave it on your cerebellum.
	Their fuel is hatred.
	Sooner or later we'll eat them up.
	That's great.
	Ours is love.
	And we have nothing to apologize for.
	We love America.
	We love what this nation stands for.
	And we will never, ever apologize for it.
	Rule number one.
	Do not apologize to radicals and extremists who hate America.
	We'll have some more rules for you later, but that's a good one to start with.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, this is America First with the Salem Radio Network, coming to you live from reliefactor.com studios, just outside the insalubrious fetid swamp that is Washington DC.
	Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, don't you dare touch that dial.
	The End Yeah.
	Cut seven.
	How nice.
	mic's back on cut 7 how nice New Zealand's what should we call her
	New Zealand's chief fascist is allowing you to go to the bathroom.
	And then... Oh, we've got to do cut eight.
	Tucker Colon Fauci A shorter version of Mussolini.
	Mussolini was pretty short to begin with.
	I mean, he was not a tall guy, but Fauci's gotta be shorter.
	I believe it.
	Yeah.
	Oh, and he got it to 11.
	Oh my gosh, sorry.
	11.
	Why is at Geraldo defending sex trafficker You're a lunatic!
	So good!
	You got me?
	defending Epstein's sex trafficker.
	- Calling him up now, channel one.
	- Okay.
	- You're a lunatic.
	- Not you.
	Hi, how's it going?
	- It's going good, you got me?
	- Yeah, we got you, we see you.
	Give us a few lines to test the audio real quick.
	- All right.
	- Can you say a few lines?
	- I'm sorry, two, one.
	- America first, what's your name?
	You don't have any headphones, do you?
	That's alright.
	There we go, how's that?
	But I look like an 80s guy.
	That's all right.
	Let me see if I put these on.
	Epic gamer headset.
	I like it.
	I look like James Spader.
	There we go.
	How's that?
	Oh, that's...
	Keep talking.
	Five, four, three, two, one.
	Excellent.
	You sound like you're mission controlled.
	This is Houston.
	Excellent.
	California, we have a problem.
	All right, so we'll talk about your buddy, Charlie Sykes.
	Ugh!
	That loathsome... Here, let me hide the kids.
	Hold on.
	He's wearing shorts!
	Bloody hell, he's wearing shorts!
	I'm a Los Angeles law partner.
	I'll wear a damn thing I want.
	I want to see you in court.
	I want to see you winning my defamation case in court wearing shorts.
	Can we make that happen?
	You don't have a defamation case.
	Now what's your case?
	Yeah, thank you.
	You're so supportive.
	You're so supportive!
	You know, 90% of my job is to tell people, no, you shouldn't do that.
	Yeah, yeah, great.
	Okay.
	And he gets paid for doing that, by the way.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, I insist.
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	All right, guys, a lot of you are calling in to comment on Lauren Boebert's apology.
	We'll get to you after our first guest of the day.
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	Does he need an introduction?
	Colonel K!
	Kurt Schlichter, senior contributor for Townhall.com, author of fabulous series of books, the Kelly Turnbull, the latest is split, as well as the 21 lies about President Trump and you.
	He is on deck.
	Welcome back, Colonel K!
	Thank you, Dr. Gorka, and I want to add I'm also a contributor to Angel Tree.
	I always throw my money, I put my money where my mouth is.
	Thank you.
	God bless you, Kurt.
	Please listen to the man.
	He's done it, so can you.
	Kurt, you sent me a text over the weekend and a little bit of a huff about somebody called Charlie Sykes, an individual who I'd forgotten about in the eons, the mists of time, another irrelevant never-Trumper.
	It was about Charlottesville.
	Why?
	Why did that article so irritate you?
	Well, it didn't irritate me so much as illustrate one of the principles I have as a lawyer, which is people can say terrible, false things about you, and in our system it's very, very hard to recover money over it.
	Now, I've won a multi-million dollar libel verdict.
	I'm looking at a poster of it on my wall.
	I've also defended a bunch.
	I've won a lot more defending than otherwise because they're very hard.
	Uh, Mr. Sykes decided to go along with the trend of the bulwark guys, which has accused me of horrible, horrible lies.
	Um, and, uh, I, uh, you know, I find that these people are useful only as chalk blocks to keep vehicles from rolling.
	Or as training aids on America's legal system.
	So this is about Charlottesville, and he was using... And somehow I show up in it!
	And then somehow you're connected to it.
	This following came to me.
	Let me expand upon this Charlottesville meme for the Never Trumpers.
	So this is just something that occurred to me.
	And I love your commentary.
	So in Charlottesville, A clearly deranged individual, you know, he's whatever he is politically, but he's also got a mental health record.
	A deranged individual who's white kills a woman who's white.
	And Charlottesville becomes the white supremacist neo-Nazi meme of the decade.
	Yeah, but let me just put a pin in that ridiculousness.
	In Walkershaw, a black, never-Trumper, pro-BLM, who hates President Trump, who's written about beating up old white people, runs down six white people and a child But he's not a black supremacist and they're still searching for a possible motivation, Kurt.
	How does the right, how do conservatives not have their anti-Charlottesville meme?
	Well, look, it's, you know, the media is never not going to follow its agenda.
	It's never going to not follow its narrative.
	It's going to lie.
	It's going to distort.
	It tried to lump a bunch of normal people with what a bunch of clowns did in Charlottesville.
	In my case, a continent away from me.
	And in Waukesha, you have a guy with a track record of horrible bigotry attacking people who were the targets of his horrible bigotry.
	Now I wrote a town hall piece on Monday saying this guy needs to get so much due process That as much as he can handle because a it's the right thing to do be Due process protects everybody and even people you don't like and I I gotta say I don't particularly like this guy They need it more than anybody else.
	We we need to go through the process the guy in Charlottesville He's gone to jail for pretty much ever after a jury of his peers looked at all the evidence and made a decision this guy should have the same thing but that but but the thing is Dr. Gorka, there are idiots out there who do idiotic things, and leftists want to hang them around us like an anchor.
	And I refuse to accept the noxious idea of group responsibility.
	No group is responsible for anything.
	Individuals are responsible for anything.
	The idiot in Charlottesville and the idiot in Waukesha Both need to stand up and accept responsibility for what they did or did not do.
	And if the government wants to put them away in jail, and that may well be appropriate, sounds like it is, then it must do it with a fair process and prove it beyond a reasonable doubt to 12 citizens.
	That's not what the left wants.
	The left wants social justice justice, which is not justice at all.
	Yeah, and let's be clear, those that are using collective guilt as Sykes is, with regards to you and Charlottesville, there was a very famous group that used collective guilt.
	It was the Nationalist Socialist Workers' Party of Germany.
	Hitler used collective guilt to justify the extermination of six million Jews.
	So isn't it funny that those who call themselves the anti-fascists are in fact using fascistic concepts, Kurt?
	Well, you know, it's just disgraceful on every level.
	He doesn't like my books.
	He and his clown car of a website called them racist, which really upset my, you know, Latin immigrant wife.
	And it's, you know, it's so tacky and so cheesy.
	Is it something that can be addressed through legal means?
	I tend to think it's probably not a great case.
	I'd rather make my own case and suggest people go read my stuff.
	Here's a challenge, Dr. Gorka.
	You've read my books.
	They're fantastic conservative adventure novels.
	Why don't you tell me this.
	The lead character is named Kelly Turnbull.
	He's a special forces-y guy.
	He shoots guns and things.
	What race is he?
	I don't know.
	What race is he?
	There you go.
	Bingo.
	He's proved his own point.
	Check out for yourself.
	Because I don't think it matters.
	Because it shouldn't matter.
	It does to them.
	It does to the left.
	Follow him at Kurt Schichter.
	We'll be back with Kurt momentarily.
	This is America First on the Salem Radio Network.
	So cut!
	So try it so hard to keep FCC compliant.
	I know you were struggling there.
	I know.
	So do we just so when it comes to the smears, when it comes to calumny, do we just because Kash Patel has declared war on these guys.
	He's got his new fund and he's going to start these defamation suits.
	Does it have to be people like Sandman who weren't famous?
	Yeah, it's a lot easier when you're not a public figure.
	And is there no hope against overturning the Sullivan v. New York Times?
	I think that's... I think the horse is outside the barn on that, Dr. Gorka.
	Look, here's my thing, though.
	I'm a lawyer.
	I sue people.
	I win one defamation suit for little people.
	Uh, and on the defense side for big people.
	I don't feel like I gotta sue, me personally, I don't feel like I gotta sue these guys.
	I'm gonna beat the sh- the stuffing out of them.
	You're alright, you're on Rumble right now.
	You're no FCC on Rumble.
	You're good.
	Well, look, I'm gonna beat the stuffing out of them in public.
	I'll take them on.
	I'm gonna take them on on your show, I take them on on Twitter, I take them on anywhere else.
	I will put my stuff up.
	Look, I don't answer the likes of Charlie Sykes.
	I didn't even know the bulwark was still a thing.
	Does it still exist?
	Is it a thing?
	Does it even count as a thing?
	Was it everything?
	If a bunch of hackneyed losers cry in the wilderness of the internet, is there a sound?
	Here's the thing.
	I've got so much more heat from them.
	Some guy in his office in LA.
	I've got so much more heat in the movement than these clowns.
	And you can just see the jealousy coursing through their thin-blooded veins.
	They're not angry with me because they think I'm a racist.
	They don't.
	They're angry with me because I'm better than them.
	And I tell them I'm better than them.
	And I won't let them forget that I'm better than them.
	And I do better than them.
	Yeah.
	But don't you think, going back to that Supreme Court case, don't you think it's really, you know, indefensible as a point of law that you have to prove malice at the time?
	I mean, that's impossible.
	Look, it's not under the First Amendment.
	The First Amendment, you know, the jurisprudence over libel and slander at least started in England.
	Then it broke up because it's a lot easier to do it in England.
	Yes.
	We tend to bend over backwards, and I think it was, you know, when the Supreme Court's actually ruling for its pals on the New York Times versus a bunch of KKK clowns in the segregated South, which I believe had something to do with Saul and I, I haven't read it lately.
	Right.
	That's the easiest call they're ever going to make.
	I think, though— Forty seconds.
	You know, there may be reason to re-explore this.
	I'm kind of... I always have doubts about defamation suits.
	And I have doubts about their utility as a political vehicle also.
	But a lot of people don't feel like I do.
	I know.
	We'll see if Kash Patel has any traction.
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	Kurt, I did a monologue at the top of the show about Lauren Bobert, because I'm surprised that she apologized to Ilhan Omar.
	Do you agree with Gawker's rule number one?
	Never apologize to the other side.
	Absolutely, Dr. Gorka.
	First, I don't think she did anything wrong.
	No.
	I don't think she had anything to apologize for.
	Second of all, apologies are part of an entirely different paradigm than the one we exist in.
	If this was a situation where you could apologize, receive some sort of grace, make friends, if she and Omar could go out and have a cup of coffee and shop and come back and say, maybe we disagree about politics, but we're going to get along as people.
	That's a different world than we live in.
	Apparently she called Ilhan Omar.
	Omar got really mad and was ungracious and hung up on her.
	You don't get like a cafeteria of choices where you pick what you want.
	Apologies are part of a system.
	And if that system is not in effect, it doesn't make any sense to me to participate in it.
	I don't think she did anything wrong.
	I think she made a joke.
	And I don't care if a brother-curious ingrate who adopts leftism gets a fan.
	I do not care.
	Well, look, and especially after that amazing speech she made about marrying her other husband, not the brother.
	I mean, just a superb, superb speech.
	But isn't this When the Lauren Boberts of the world feel compelled to apologize, as you said, in an environment where no forgiveness will be offered or even contemplated, does our side have the requisite intestinal fortitude, Kurt?
	Well, I think we do, and I think we all have to be woke to what's going on, as the hip kids say.
	The fact is that Look, these people are not our friends.
	They're not friends who we misunderstand.
	They're not people who we don't get.
	These are people who are our opponents.
	Some of them are our enemies.
	Some of them wish physical harm on us.
	And I don't think that we should pretend that they're not.
	And I think to use tools like apologies Civility, as some people say.
	You know, that's not a very useful contribution to the discourse.
	I'm not trying to contribute to the discourse, because there isn't a discourse.
	There's simply the exercise of power.
	Not the rule I like.
	Look, I'm a lawyer.
	I like places where you can go in, make arguments, make evidence, and come to at least a rational decision.
	But that's not what our politics is today, and I don't believe in pretending that the rules that exist Don't exist because you don't like them.
	Instead, I suggest you win and then you make the rules wherever you want.
	Are you also expecting a fabulous victory next year?
	Oh my gosh, I think we're going to... I think we are going to have a clock cleaning for the ages.
	I think it is going to be amazing.
	And when it comes to election integrity, how worried are you?
	Look, I went and lawyered with the Republicans in Nevada.
	You did?
	A lot of problems.
	Look, the Republicans, it was their fault.
	Not that the liberals were the bad guys.
	The Democrats were the bad guys.
	We knew what they were.
	No, but they didn't prepare in Rome.
	We were not adequately prepared.
	And we need to change that.
	We need to have lawyers out there to protect election integrity, protect the system of laws, so that you can't have these special emergency changes at the last minute that allow actual ballot-stuffing kind of stuff.
	I recommend a regiment of Kurt Schlichters deployed as lawyers across the nation.
	Then they would be very afraid and there would be utter, utter election integrity.
	Follow him, Kurt Schlichter, on Twitter.
	Read his articles at townhall.com.
	Check out his great series of books.
	God bless you, Kurt.
	Keep doing what you do.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	Your call is next on 83333 Gorka.
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	Always good to talk about free speech and The people who abuse it.
	Yeah, just next time, don't remind me that Psych still exists.
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	You sent me this article from somebody I thought was dead.
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	My gosh, the call board is absolutely full.
	A lot of people want to talk about Bobut.
	Let's go.
	Let's start with Phil in Philly.
	Welcome back, Phil.
	Thank you, Dr. G. Hey, Dr. G, just a point of order.
	If Mike Pence had the set That Lauren Boebert does?
	We wouldn't be in this shape.
	I think you're right.
	If he would have just in those key four battleground states where the vote tally just magically reversed after they stopped the vote count.
	If he just said, hey guys, I'm not overturning the election because I don't have the authority to do that.
	But as president of the Senate, I am allowed to send those results back to the state houses for review.
	We might be in a very different place today, Phil, right?
	Absolutely.
	And you know what, Dr. G?
	I think that Congresswoman Boebert is on to something right here.
	Just like we had to put up with all the fake news and then the retractions on page 57, what she could do is just go on the offense and apologize immediately.
	Like, hey, Ilan, is it customary in your country for sisters to marry their brothers to circumvent immigration laws in other countries?
	I apologize.
	I'm sorry.
	Did that offend anybody?
	I'm sorry.
	Or, hey AOC, what happened to that million in cash that's missing from your campaign?
	I apologize.
	I'm sorry if that hurt anybody's feelings.
	See what I'm saying?
	Phil, I think you're talking about doing it the Philly way, is that right?
	I love it.
	With the spanking afterwards.
	I love it.
	No, we have to play hardball.
	Stay on the line.
	Let's give Phil an America first hat because he deserves it.
	Great, great call.
	Let's go to Sandy also on Lauren Bobert, line three.
	Hi, Dr. G. Thank you for taking my call, sir.
	I appreciate it.
	I just wanted to say that I'm born to a Middle Eastern Christian mother.
	She suffered a lot before she came to the United States.
	But she picked herself up by her strap boots, turned herself into a teacher, married a fine American, and you know what?
	I'm proud of my heritage, but you know what?
	We're also pro-Israel, we're pro-American, and I'm gonna tell you something.
	Back home, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, these women, let me tell you something.
	They'd be picking up manure.
	Whoever they're married to, they'll be picking up their husband's manure.
	Here, they're given every advantage, everything, every opportunity.
	And you know what?
	I don't buy that Ilhan Omar wrote her book.
	I really don't.
	But that's my opinion, sir.
	I didn't even know she had a book.
	Thank you, Sandy.
	We will check it out and definitely not buy it.
	Thank you for the call.
	Let's go to John in Ohio.
	John, welcome to America First.
	Hi, thanks for taking my call.
	Sure.
	Hey, I don't want to disagree with what your guest said about how sick it is to endorse political violence, but I do want to add some context.
	That happens More and more often on both sides lately.
	It's never happened from members of Congress with the letter R behind them like it does with Democrats like Maxine Waters.
	Name me one instance, just one instance, in the last 10 years when a serving member of Congress has called for violence or intimidation against those they politically disagree with as Maxine Waters did on camera.
	What Maxine Waters said was certainly a suggestion.
	I don't remember her exact words.
	It was certainly a suggestion, but it wasn't an outright endorsement of violence.
	Okay, I'll tell you what she said, if you don't remember.
	She said, if you see a member of the Trump administration in public, you get out of your car and you surround them.
	You surround them, John!
	Why would you do that?
	Why would you do that?
	That's uncool, but it's not violence.
	Oh, it's uncool, okay?
	Tell me one Republican who's done anything close to that.
	Well, Donald Trump had Ted Nugent in the White House smiling for a photo, and Ted Nugent called for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton to be shot and hung.
	Greg Gianforte.
	I don't know the pronunciation of his name, but it's something like that.
	Greg Gianforte was actually convicted of assault.
	I will tell you one last time, John, you're trying very hard.
	You're trying very hard and you're failing.
	Give me one elected member of Congress or the Senate who has condoned...
	John, John, who has condoned intimidation like Maxine Waters did.
	Just give me one.
	Give me one.
	Give me one.
	Give me one that did anything close to what Maxine Waters did.
	How about this?
	How about this one?
	How about Biden saying, I take Donald Trump behind the sheds and I beat him up.
	Give me one person who did that.
	John, you failed.
	You are a liar and you are a failure.
	You are a liar and you are a failure.
	Goodbye.
	Good try, though.
	Good try.
	But an utter wanton failure.
	Because he knows, he knows, that there is one side that has normalized violence.
	Whether it's Kamala Harris helping to raise bail for BLM protesters and rioters and arsonists.
	What is that, if not condoning violence, that the future vice president is helping raise money for those who burnt private businesses to the ground, John?
	You got to one day wake up and realize the stench of what you are shoveling.
	Because it's all garbage.
	You can try, but you will not lie to me or our millions of listeners.
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	Maybe ask him to cite an example.
	I just thought for sure he was going to say Trump on January 6th like they always do.
	That would lose credit.
	Didn't do that.
	But then again, all, you know, the... How about the people who condoned the Black Friday riots?
	But he said Maxime was suggesting.
	It was a suggestion.
	Just a suggestion.
	Yeah.
	Odd.
	A lot of people who condoned riots in 2020.
	Literally.
	Yep.
	A lot of people.
	Titles.
	Oh, I haven't used any cuts.
	Did we do one?
	No.
	Dude.
	Fauci thing.
	Or, was it?
	Or no, Biden, Walmart, and the Boebert thing.
	Boebert shouldn't apologize for anything.
	Shouldn't apologize for anything, okay.
	Schlichter.
	Yeah.
	Um... Does the bulwark still even exist?
	All right.
	Okay.
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	I promised you more cuts from the senile old man in the White House.
	He's a doozy.
	He's supposed to be talking about COVID, but I guess he's got more important things to do.
	Cut to Sleepy Creepy.
	So Brian, he's going to moderate the rest, but I warn you, I'm going to intervene with questions of your permission.
	in this pretty place yep Thank you.
	Thank you.
	That guy could start World War III, you know that, right?
	I mean, you gotta see the video of it.
	He's just dazed.
	Mask at his chin.
	Staring about, doesn't know what he's doing.
	And then he says, oh, what a nice ceiling.
	Oh, where am I?
	What, what, what, what am I doing?
	Jill, what?
	Yeah, the nuclear football's 20 feet away.
	Let's go to your cause, Victor Selverspring.
	Welcome, Victor.
	Hey, it's good to hear you again.
	The left, they can sure dish it out, but they can't take it if you dish it back to them.
	And you've known me long enough when I come up with some really good remarks like, How can I be a racist when I can't see you?
	You know, that type of thing.
	Yeah, these are the guys who have no problem calling their fellow Americans evil, as Maxine Waters said about 74 million people yesterday, call the president a Nazi and anybody who voted for him a white supremacist or a basket of deplorables.
	But Victor, if you make one joke about one of their anti-Semitic representatives, They're going to a tailspin!
	Yeah, they do, and the one thing you never ever apologize to anybody on the left, and Kerosene Maxine, um...
	That's a nickname I've heard for years from the late Les Consolving when he had a show in Baltimore.
	I love that.
	I love that.
	Kerosene Maxine because that's what she does.
	She incites this.
	She calls our side evil and then she has no problem with BLM, with Antifa, or standing on a soapbox and telling her supporters to surround and intimidate members of the Trump administration.
	Not one Republican Not one Republican, Victor, has ever done that in any, anything close to that that I can recall.
	Thank you, Victor.
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	Man title.
	Well, I'm not going to read it all.
	I'll just sign it.
	Does he even know the microphone is on?
	He's there sitting, surrounded by cabinet members and guests, supposed to sign an executive order.
	He starts reading and says, oh, I'm not even going to read it.
	I'm just going to sign it.
	That was, of course, the man who sadly bears the title President of the United States.
	But is it worse to have somebody who's just not compass mentis as opposed to somebody who's just, I don't know, really fascistic?
	This is the prime minister of New Zealand who's celebrating the fact that you can now go to the toilet.
	Cut seven.
	And importantly, because I know this is a question many Aucklanders have, you can now see family and friends again in their homes and use the bathroom inside.
	Luxury!
	You can use the bathroom on inside.
	Let us try and get to the bottom of the insanity, which is worse, with one of our regular guests.
	He's, of course, the author of numerous works.
	Most recently, Donald J. Trump, a president like no other, regular contributor to the Epoch Times and American Greatness, Lord Conrad Black.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thank you, Sebastian.
	Always a pleasure to be with you.
	Lord Bach, you've written this piece entitled The Twin Pillars of Biden's Failure, and it concentrates on the disaster regarding emigration and then the environment and fossil fuels.
	But before we get to that, can I just wind the clock back a little bit to a discussion we had back in January that I think most people missed here.
	In America, of course, people who had jobs that were in the energy sector didn't understand the decision on day one by Biden to renege on the XL pipeline, the Keystone extension.
	But this isn't just an issue for Americans and people in the energy industry.
	Can you remind us what the reaction was on both sides of the aisle in Canada to that decision out of the new administration?
	Now, are we talking about the wall?
	No, no, no, the Keystone XL pipeline.
	When that was axed on day one, there was quite a reaction on both sides of the aisle in Canada, was there not?
	There was.
	The whole country was of the view that it was a breach of faith.
	I mean, we beautifully built part of it, and now we've built a pipeline to nowhere.
	I mean, you know, we don't need a pipeline to go from Calgary to the Canadian border with I guess it's North Dakota there, is it?
	Montana, I guess it would be.
	And, you know, even the environmental group, which includes the government of Canada, I mean, Justin Trudeau is one of these people who's terribly concerned about carbon emissions.
	But, you know, we had an assurance that it was absolutely safe environmentally, built to the highest standards, delayed for years by Obama.
	Then we got it all agreed with President Trump.
	And all parties in this country were in favor of it.
	It was really going to be a breath of fresh air for the oil producing region of the country.
	Under the best of circumstances, exporting oil to our closest ally, not only geographically, but in all other respects, in an absolutely safe manner, and then abruptly, without a word of consultation, in the first hours of his presidency, Biden, who most Canadians wished well, and I always wish an incoming American president well, slapped us in the face, and it was very offensive.
	And, you know, a lot of people saying, well, you know, we can Retaliate in the export area with the United States.
	They send us plenty of things.
	I mean, no one wants an argument with the U.S., but, you know, in the long relationship between the two countries, not a serious difference between them in over 200 years, you know, this was just a shocking development.
	It's just not how good friends amongst states behave to each other.
	In your piece, you focus on the explosion of gas prices, up to $5 a gallon, and the consequences of having 200,000 illegal immigrants cross the border every single month in America.
	And then you have this line, you say, as practically everyone outside his immediate entourage saw and predicted, these were disastrous errors for Biden.
	Are we sure that these are errors or are these the logical consequences of the Democrat Party having become radicalized when it comes to the question of fossil fuels in the environment and illegal immigration and buying new constituents?
	Well, I think they're both.
	I mean, I think the impetus to take those two steps in the first hours of the administration came from precisely the source that you described, the radical left faction of the Democrats, which appears to have been essentially handed the task of policy formulation in this first period of the administration.
	And there's no doubt They certainly purported to believe that reducing access to oil along with reducing exploration for oil and fracking would be environmentally sound and they were quite prepared to ignore the consequences on energy self-sufficiency which had just been achieved and the consequent rise in energy prices because they presumed, I guess,
	Rising energy prices would facilitate their subsidization of sustainable energy, windmills and solar panels and so on, which of course is nonsense.
	They're horribly expensive and very inefficient and you can't store that energy.
	So if the sun isn't out and the wind isn't blowing, you're back to what you've been using before and doing it with imported oil, some of it from countries that are not friendly to the United States.
	And this terrible indignity of the administration going and asking for concessions from OPEC and the Russians, but not from Canada, who would be happy to make them the concessions, and with whom they had an arrangement for a pipeline.
	And on the border, look, it's not for me to mind-read the collective wisdom of the Democratic Party, but the appearance certainly is that they thought, as I wrote and as others have said, that if you just let enough of these people in and you continue the abandonment that if you just let enough of these people in and you continue the abandonment of the constitutional requirement of being a citizen to vote, then they would faithfully vote for the Democrats as a reward for having allowed them into the country and
	vote, then they would faithfully vote for the Democrats as a reward for having allowed them into the country and would contribute to the likely future electoral prospects of the Democrats.
	So I assume that there was a partisan as well as a far-left ideological motive involved.
	But my statement that they were disastrous errors is based on, one, the simple fact in each case that abandoning energy self-sufficiency is a serious strategic mistake.
	Two, letting unlimited, undocumented people into the country, unlimited in number, is a serious strategic mistake.
	And in both cases, they're going to contribute to a political disaster.
	I mean, they may be able to hold the line for three years as long as the administration.
	But the country will punish them severely at the first opportunities that it has.
	If you look at recent polling, more than half of Americans consider the The poor state of things in America as directly a result of Biden.
	There's a majority that doesn't wish to see him run in three years time.
	Given that you've written seminal works on prior presidents, not just President Trump, but Nixon and FDR, What do you expect?
	Is there any way for them to backtrack?
	Or are they ideologically painted into a corner?
	Can they incrementally diverge from what they've committed themselves to?
	Or is this now politically impossible?
	No, you can change course.
	You can change course.
	Mr. Nixon changed course in 1971 when he abandoned gold and had his price stabilization board and so forth purported to freeze wages and prices within certain parameters.
	I mean, he said he wouldn't do it.
	He said conditions have changed and we're going to do it.
	And, you know, there are lots of other examples of that kind of thing, and you can do it.
	You say, look, you know, we did it for certain reasons, conditions have changed, and so we're adapting to that.
	And, you know, maybe modestly embarrassing, but they've got such a flacking and cheering section in the political media of the country.
	They could do almost anything and have it sold by their media allies as a dynamic and courageous executive decision.
	So you can do it, but in order to do it, since obviously the ideological element is to stick with it, the only thing that is likely to override that is the recognition that if they do stick with it, they're all going to be out of office.
	They'll be handed a massive bus ticket in the interim, so midterms next year, And whoever they put up as a candidate three years from now is going to have to carry the can to this administration whether they were prominent in it or not, and they'll pay for it.
	And it is truly fascinating, I think, that despite being asked more than once, the current Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, has refused to confirm Whether or not she will be running next year.
	Add to that the reports that she has just bought a 24 million dollar house in the state run by Ron DeSantis in Florida on the beach despite the cries of global warming and raising sea levels.
	It's perhaps indication that even Pelosi knows how great the trouble is.
	She is the co-host, along with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett of the podcast Scholars and Sense, author of numerous works that you should check out right now, including A Matter of Principle and A President Like No Other, Donald J. Trump and the Restoring of America.
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	after these messages. - No, I wouldn't say that.
	I think, look, Canadians have put up with a lot, you know.
	We had a heavier lockdown, certainly, than you had in your more moderate states like Florida and Texas.
	And I think, you know, we don't have a Fauci-like figure here.
	We do have public medical officials, but they're not so prominent in the media as Fauci and some of the others are in the United States.
	I think the country basically is not only fatigued with the whole thing, but skeptical that we need to go back to the older methods of combating this.
	I mean, unless it materializes that the fatality rate of a new variant is substantially higher than what we've already known.
	I think the consensus here would be You know, protect the vulnerable, protect the elderly and those with conditions, other conditions besides age, that make them vulnerable.
	And for the rest of us, you know, just get on as normally as we can.
	And then the masks and social distancing are overrated.
	And there's no reason to shut down public spectacles, that kind of thing.
	So I would say no.
	How should I put this?
	It hasn't been as partisan an issue here, and it hasn't been so much a legal question of the right of the state to impose things on individuals.
	So, as in most things, the reaction in Canada is rather more sober than in the United States.
	Now, what is life like in the big cities?
	Canada operates between the 30-yard lines.
	In the U.S., you get things ricocheting around.
	Right.
	What is life like in the big cities like Toronto and Ottawa?
	Yeah, at the moment, fine.
	No problem at all.
	You know, you go where you want, go to the restaurants, do anything.
	I mean, in some places they ask you to wear a mask indoors, but they say in a restaurant it's just in your way from the front door to the table.
	It's rubbish, it's nonsense, but it's not onerous.
	And people are out and about?
	Yeah, oh yeah, fine.
	No problem at all.
	And particularly Our French-Canadian brethren can always be relied upon, not to put up with too much nonsense from the government.
	In a sense, there's a bit of Rousseau in all of them.
	Right.
	A little bit more hardy.
	Good.
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	He is the author most recently.
	Follow him at EpochTimes and AmericanGreatness and Greatness.com.
	His latest piece is The Twin Pillars of Biden's Failure.
	Lord Black, there's one line in here where you talk about the calumny, the libel, That President Trump had to go through years of being labeled an individual with, quote, Nazi attitudes and sympathies.
	I haven't told you that I was going to ask this question, but it came to me as I was reading your autobiographies, especially The Matter of Principle and Backward Glances.
	Libel laws in America.
	You're very familiar with Canada, the UK, and America.
	Don't you think we have a problem here, given how difficult it is?
	As a public figure, like myself, if somebody libels me, I have to prove at the time of libel that they meant malice on me.
	Isn't that absurd?
	It is.
	It's the New York Times and Sullivan Rule.
	Yes.
	And it is just bad law.
	I mean, it's practically impossible to prove an intent to defame.
	And if that's what you have to do, which, as you say, is the case for any public figure, which is almost anyone who's ever had any publicity, I mean, it wouldn't apply to someone, I guess, like that lad from Kentucky, the Covington.
	Oh, Nicholas Sandman.
	Yes.
	Yeah, and it may not apply to young Kyle Rittenhouse, but to people like us who've kicked around and been, you know, publicized so much, it does apply, and it makes it practically impossible to do anything.
	They can write anything, say anything, and in order to get at them, we have to prove that they intended As you say, they maliciously intended to defame, and then, unlike any kind of an award, we also have to prove damages.
	And that, in practice, is almost an impossible hurdle to surmount.
	And it's absurd.
	I mean, I think the United States should be like other civilized countries, like Britain and Canada and France and Germany, where, you know, you assess the evidence, It appears highly likely that the party objected to, the respondent party, the defendant, either knew that what they were doing was defamatory or were negligent for not knowing, then you have to find against them.
	But that's not how it works.
	In the meat...
	In the meantime, what is there left?
	I mean, as a media mogul yourself in the past with Hollinger International as a publisher of amazing names such as the Daily Telegraph, the Jerusalem Post, amongst others, There are these, I think the UK has this Press Standards Authority.
	Is there any expectation that the media will police itself in America?
	No, none whatsoever.
	And in fairness, I just don't think we can expect that.
	And I don't think the Press Complaints Council, I believe that's what it's called in Britain, Accomplishes much.
	I mean, I think they're well-meaning people, but I don't think they accomplish much.
	But what you do get in Britain is women's a real libel.
	You get a serious lawsuit, and you get serious wars.
	Now, Mrs. Trump, for example, Melania Trump, collected, I believe, two million pounds.
	So that's, what, almost three million dollars from the Daily Mail when they implied that she had been an unvirtuous woman and had a paying occupation at one time.
	Which was a completely outrageous thing that they could not substantiate for a second.
	And so without going to trial, because they knew it would get very rough, they apologized very profusely and made a large payment over to her.
	And, you know, I don't doubt the Press Complaints Commission wrapped their knuckles too, but it's really the embarrassment and the money lost that hurts, and it does have an effect.
	The ultimate way of dealing with this is a better-educated population that requires a more responsible media.
	And there we have to thank the teachers' unions for turning our state school systems in all these Western countries basically into daycare centers.
	I mean, the supreme irony to me of modern political society and in the democratic world is we have paid more and more and more for education to get less and less intelligent graduates.
	And in the meantime, do you think the only possible route here in the United States would be some challenge to Sullivan versus New York in the Supreme Court?
	Yes.
	And again, I don't want to get out of my depth here, but given the amount and gravity of abuse of that practically Blank check to defame people, almost complete toleration of defamation on grounds of it's all part of freedom of expression.
	Given that, I suspect the court would say, you know, we really have to we have to modify this.
	I mean, look, you don't want to muzzle the press.
	You don't want the press to be intimidated from legitimate investigation or legitimate criticism.
	We're not talking about that.
	Neither you are nor I.
	But the idea that it could just, I mean, I don't mind the National Enquirer, but that story they did years ago about Carol Burnett's biological father being a creature from outer space.
	I mean, it's hilarious in that way.
	But it's nonsense.
	They've just got to be more responsible.
	Yeah.
	In the meantime, I think the pugilistic style of individuals like Donald Trump on Twitter is to be expected, is it not? - Yeah.
	Yeah, that's the only... you asked about my experience.
	The way I dealt with defamation was I had Plenty of access to the media to reply to the people defaming me.
	And frankly, my talents at slinging invective around are not bad, you know.
	And for the most part, people don't attack me anymore.
	Well find out for yourself how talented he is with the English language.
	Truly a marvellous not only raconteur but writer.
	The ones that I recommend first off are A Matter of Principle and then of course any of his presidential histories.
	You can start with the most relevant one because I do believe after next year It's going to be more relevant than ever.
	It is a president like no other, Donald J. Trump and the restoring of America.
	We have been talking to our regular guest, Lord Conrad Black, co-host along with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett of the podcast Scholars and Sense, and you can follow him at Conrad M. Black.
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	Yeah, I guess so, but I Still, look, I may be wrong, but I think when you get a few big libel awards, even, as you say, in that case, no one in the public had ever heard of young Sandman before.
	Nicholas, is that his name?
	Nicholas, yeah.
	But it still sobers them a bit, you know?
	Well, you know, if the reports are true... One thing I found about these media people, Who are specialists in slinging muck.
	They're not good at taking it themselves.
	No!
	No, but... They swing it right back up and they wilt.
	Yeah, this is why I think people misunderstand the import of what President Trump was doing on Twitter.
	You know, he never started the fight, but when somebody did, he was pretty good at throwing it back.
	And I think that we have to thank him for that.
	I agree.
	Look, we now have this funny arrangement where The Democrats want to do the opposite of whatever he did, and then when it goes terribly wrong, they blame it on him.
	Well, the country's not going to buy that.
	And I think it'll be much harder to defame him going forward than it has been in the past five years.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	Thank you, Conrad.
	Excellent as ever.
	God bless.
	Bye-bye.
	Okay.
	Titles for that one.
	Oh.
	Are Biden's policies really a mistake?
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	So now it's JCN.
	This one's on Rumble.
	And Relief.
	Rumble 1A and Black.
	1A and Black.
	All right.
	Yeah,
	it's a bit easier when you own some of the biggest newspapers in the world. - Like he did.
	Then he can fight back.
	Yeah.
	All right, so we've done...
	Oh, we've got to do Heraldo.
	Can you play me cut 12?
	Cut 12 right here.
	You're defending a sex trafficker.
	Underage sex trafficker.
	The prosecutor in this case are guilty of political Lawyer.
	She deserves to sit in jail.
	Because you don't even know she's guilty.
	How do you know?
	Because she's a flight risk.
	Because she was hiding during COVID.
	She was not hiding.
	She bought a house in New Hampshire.
	Yes, she was.
	A million dollar house.
	Let me educate you really quickly.
	Because they don't have a case.
	Let me see.
	They have no case.
	This is the segment I'm running.
	All right.
	Wow.
	15 seconds.
	Do JCN here?
	Wow.
	15 seconds.
	Do JCN here and...
	Mm-hmm.
	All right.
	Stand by.
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	Biden's about to give a speech in front of an 18-wheeler in Minnesota on infrastructure.
	I mean, Why?
	I mean, do Democrats even care that he's going to stand in front of a truck and stumble and mumble?
	I just don't understand.
	In the meantime, we have to deal with what he has planned for all Americans, and that is, of course, the vaccine mandates.
	Despite two federal court rulings ordering a stay of his illegal and unconstitutional vaccine mandate, the administration has said, well, just Let's do it anyway!
	And we need an end run according to his chief of staff around the Constitution.
	There's one organization that's fighting back.
	That's the Job Creators Network and their president, Alfredo Ortiz, says it's time to stop the White House bullying of American businesses.
	And they filed notice with the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals to stop this unconstitutional mandate.
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	David, Scottsdale, Arizona.
	3-3-4-6-7-5-2.
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	David, Scottsdale, Arizona.
	Welcome to America First.
	Hi, Sebastian.
	How are you?
	Good.
	So, I don't know if you guys have been following this story.
	Kyle Rittenhouse mentioned on Tucker Carlson a few weeks ago that he may apply for ASU, which is Arizona State University.
	Right, he wants to study medicine or become a nurse.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Right, right.
	So here, there's a big blue car on the campus here.
	There's a small radical group of self-confessed Marxists and socialists that don't want him here.
	So they've kicked up a huge fuss and there's a protest march tomorrow, Wednesday, in Phoenix, I believe outside the ASU campus.
	Do you want to know something ironic?
	Kyle Rittenhouse hasn't even applied for ASU.
	ASU had to release a press statement this morning saying they've got no application from any Kyle Rittenhouse.
	But the Marxists are still up in arms and they've got to do a big protest tomorrow in Phoenix.
	Yeah, well, when I saw him say that on the interview with Tucker, I was like, why did you say that?
	Why did you say that?
	Because the crazies are going to come out of the woodwork.
	It's absolutely outrageous that the university is even commenting on who applied and who didn't apply.
	So, are you hearing anything, David, with regards to any counter-protests or any sane people who are going to stand with Kyle?
	It's still early days, Sebastian.
	What's happening is local news today said the statement was a statement from President Michael Crow saying there was no Kyle Rittenhouse application on either campus because they have a few campuses around around Phoenix and online are in school and but this radical group they've been putting out their own little thing and there's only like 10 of them who are kicking up a storm.
	Um, they're saying he's a killer, they don't want him here, he's a racist, you know, the usual propaganda.
	Yeah, they probably think he killed some black people as well.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But no, there's zero counts of protest that I've heard of.
	Well, maybe that's a good idea, David.
	Thank you.
	We had that story in our pile of news stories yesterday.
	We didn't get to it, that ASU people, the radicals at ASU, are trying to ban Kyle Rittenhouse, who was acquitted on all five counts, even apparently before he's even applied to go to ASU.
	Those of you who are listening in Scottsdale, those of you who are listening in Arizona, perhaps you could organize something tomorrow.
	Maybe there could be a counter-protest of a hashtag WeStandWithKyle as opposed to what some people are doing.
	This is from the Post Millennial.
	BLM is accused of launching a bail fund For the Waukesha massacre suspect.
	GoFundMe shut down a URL to raise funds for the man who's killed five adults and a child in Waukesha.
	And now BLM is trying to go around it and raise five million dollars for that terrorist.
	If they can do that, if the crazies, the bigots can do that, maybe it's time that we, I don't know, maybe organized for somebody who's innocent?
	Listeners in Arizona, what do you think of that?
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	Before Joe Biden was president, he said that COVID travel restrictions on foreign countries were hysterical xenophobia and fear-mongering.
	So what changed?
	Well, I would say first to put it in full context, Peter, what the president was critical of was the way that the former president put out, I believe, a xenophobic tweet and how he called what he called the coronavirus.
	and who he directed it at.
	The president has not been critical of travel restrictions.
	No, Jen, that's not what he did.
	She was just there saying, well, Peter, you know, the school mom, let me tell you how wrong you are.
	Well, Jen Psaki, you're a liar.
	Because Joe Biden wasn't talking about some rude tweet.
	He called the president's decision to close travel from China at the beginning, before anybody else did, because he understood the threat.
	He called it xenophobic hysteria.
	By the way, we have the actual cut.
	This is what Biden actually said back in 2020.
	Cut 10.
	Coronavirus, and they're from China.
	A national emergency, you know, worldwide alerts.
	The American people need to have a president who they can trust what he says about it.
	That he is going to act rationally about it.
	In moments like this, this is where the credibility of a president is most needed, as he explains what we should and should not do.
	This is no time for Donald Trump's record of Hysteria xenophobia.
	Hysterical xenophobia.
	Hysterical xenophobia.
	Not a tweet.
	But hey, you're propagandist in truth, so we understand what you are doing.
	I didn't believe it when I heard this.
	But we have the audio.
	We have the video.
	You know, I've had my issues.
	I've even debated him live on Fox.
	But now my question about Geraldo is Does he have something to hide?
	On the Five yesterday, he was outraged that the woman who is up on, I think, eight counts of sex trafficking minors, Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein's procurer of young girls, That she's being held without bond.
	If you don't believe me, here's Geraldo getting angry that Ghislaine isn't a free woman.
	Cut eleven.
	I am outraged by the Maxwell case.
	You talked about Daryl Brooks, the creep who ran over his girlfriend and killed six people in the fray, and he was out of $1,000 bail.
	Jelaine Maxwell has been in jail for 17 months for no bail.
	No bail.
	She is sitting in prison prior to trial, accused, get this, of events that happened between 1994 and 1990.
	She's a flight risk.
	She offered to put up a $28.5 million dollar bond.
	Yeah, anyone who offers to put up $26 million dollars in cash is a flight risk because she was hanging out with the billionaire Epstein.
	For her, that's the sign.
	So I gotta ask this question because maybe I'm missing something.
	I'm gonna ask my team here.
	Jeff.
	Yes.
	What the hell is he doing?
	I was thinking the same thing.
	There's no way he's that upset over it unless he knows her.
	Honestly.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So he knows her and that's why he thinks maybe it could be him in the... I don't know even if he's involved with it, but he knows her somehow.
	So for him it's personal?
	And he's defending it.
	Absolutely.
	Because this is one of these issues that I think even both sides agree that this is ridiculous.
	There's no upside to defending this woman?
	Absolutely.
	None at all.
	Eric?
	Yeah, I agree.
	If nothing else, look how passionate he's getting.
	Look how angry he is.
	You can't fake that.
	That is, like, sincere.
	And why is he going out this way?
	He casually refers to the Waukesha terrorist as a creep, and then goes on to, that's all he says, then he goes on to just very vehemently defend her.
	It is quite suspicious, to say the least.
	Okay, let's go to the man who predicted the Youngkin victory in the Commonwealth of Virginia.
	John Jr., your theory.
	Well, I just find it strange, because it could be that he has some connection, but wise people have told me, pick your battles, and this is not a battle you want to pick.
	This is not a battle you want to pick!
	You want to touch that with a ten-foot pole, so either he's got some sort of ignorance to the scenario going on, or some vendetta against the situation at hand.
	I'm not privy to that information.
	So either he's implicated, we have no evidence of that, or B, he knows her and for some reason this touches some neurologic point for him, but C, it makes no sense.
	Sex trafficking... I don't think there's anybody, anybody in America who has issues with the question of a multi-multi-millionaire accused of sex trafficking young girls being kept without bail.
	Who in America?
	Who in America?
	People charged with trespassing on January the 6th.
	Yeah, that's a problem.
	If that's the best you've got, trespass and breaking Nancy Pelosi's laptop, perhaps 17 months in jail without a bond would be an issue.
	But sex trafficking young girls for Jeffrey Epstein, Yeah.
	Very weird, Geraldo.
	You better come up with some better explanation for what you did yesterday.
	In the meantime, let's just enjoy a little bit of Tucker, who's come up with a new description for, what does he call him, the Wuhan Saint Anthony.
	This is the latest description of Fauci from our buddy Tucker Carlson Cut Eight.
	If you haven't checked in on Tony Fauci lately, you may be a little surprised to discover what he's become.
	If you tuned in a couple of years ago, you may recall Fauci as a conventional public health official.
	He wore button-down shirts.
	He gave careful, precise answers that suggested deep medical knowledge.
	No more.
	After two years of nonstop media adulation, Tony Fauci has morphed into an even shorter version of Benito Mussolini.
	I like that, even shorter, because Il Duce wasn't exactly, how shall I say this, vertically endowed.
	He was a rather short gentleman himself.
	So yes, he's an even shorter version of the original fascist.
	Before Hitler, it was Mussolini, and that's who Fauci is.
	Although that little thing in the corner of the screen, if you didn't see, it was very funny.
	The patron saint Fauci, the patron saint of Wuhan.
	Nicely done, whoever does the graphics for Tucker Carlson.
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	Yeah.
	I mean, I didn't mention this on the air, but we know, I mean, at least one incident a while back, he has a tendency to be creepy every now and then.
	I mean... He does, he does, but that's like, there's creepy, then there's like, super creepy.
	Can we send that stupid picture?
	Yes!
	Oh!
	Yeah?
	Oh my god, I forgot!
	That was, uh... The nude picture.
	At like, the age of 72.
	It's not like... It's not... What did he say?
	70 is the new 40?
	70 is the new 40.
	That was his excuse.
	Creepy!
	This is great, by the way.
	The chat really lit up with the Geraldo bit.
	TXBB in the chat says, Geraldo should shut up and go back to looking for Al Capone's vault.
	Promo?
	One minute.
	Jenna and Jennifer Horn and New York Times guy.
	Berenson.
	Yeah.
	Berenson.
	Um, is Thingy on phone again?
	Ellis?
	No, she's coming in.
	Oh, good.
	Awesome.
	35.
	Okay, we're doing regular liner here, and we'll do Prydain Fellowship because... Yeah.
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	Allie, Arizona, welcome.
	Hello, how are you?
	Very well.
	Good.
	I just wanted to let you know that we absolutely have people who are sane in Arizona, and yes, we would happily welcome Kyle to come and fulfill his educational dreams here.
	So, you know what?
	If you have an in to him, let us know.
	And you know what?
	I would be glad to go out if I were near Phoenix, but I'm not.
	But I would be glad to go out and meet with the crazies who don't understand our law and do not understand that he's been acquitted and why they're calling him a racist.
	I still can't figure this part out.
	Yeah, it's strange as a white kid shoots three white guys, all three of them with criminal records, one of them a serial child rapist, the other one a wife abusing, you know, individual who tried to brain him with a skateboard and somehow Killing two white criminals makes a white man a racist.
	But God bless you, Ali, for sharing the news that there are normal people in Arizona.
	If there is a protest of crazies of radicals at ASU tomorrow, perhaps there'll be a counter-protest to say, guess what?
	He was acquitted and we stand with Kyle.
	If you're there, if you're at the university, perhaps You could do that if you're a patriot.
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	Yes, we were made aware that they stopped advertising with the Post Millennial because of some false allegations about their editor and our former guest, Andy Ngo.
	As you know, as a team, we have made clear our support for free speech and we will never advertise businesses that bow to the mob.
	It's just not going to happen.
	Wow, that's how you deal with the woke karate.
	You just terminate them!
	That, of course, is Konstantin Kisin and Francis Foster, who, as far as I am concerned, have the best podcast outside of the United States.
	It's called Trigonometry, and we are delighted to have them with us.
	This is America First one-on-one with KK and FF.
	Welcome back, guys, to America First.
	It's great to be with you, Seb.
	Thanks for having us.
	Hey, Seb.
	Lovely to be here, Seb.
	You guys are crushing it.
	Whenever your show comes up on my feed, I watch it, I save it, and then I enjoy what you guys have to say.
	For those who are not familiar with trigonometry, And who have been hiding in a cave for the last three and a half years.
	I would love to give them a taste of your backstory because I'm trying to think if there are similar podcasts out there with people of your background and The answer is no.
	So let's start with you, Francis.
	Tell us a little bit about what you did before trigonometry for a living and why you and KK are currently hosting trigonometry.
	Well, so with me, I was a school teacher for around 12 years.
	I did six years of high school.
	I did six years of primary school.
	And then, overlapping that, I was a stand-up comedian.
	And before trigonometry, I was doing the circuit.
	I was playing the comedy clubs up and down the country.
	And I was having a good time doing it.
	It was everything that I wanted to do.
	I loved being a stand-up comedian.
	I loved performing to crowds.
	Then around 2013 to 2014, I started to notice something change.
	And gradually, audiences became more and more sensitive.
	Not all audiences, but mainly audiences in inner London, in central London, particularly young people.
	I started to notice that jokes that used to do quite well, then you used to say certain words, and immediately you could fill the audiences up.
	You could feel that there was a tension.
	...around an audience when you broach certain topics.
	It was just, even if you dealt with a topic in a very sensitive, a very fun, a very playful way, it didn't matter.
	You could feel the tension starting to come in.
	And then, obviously, everything exploded when Brexit happened, when Trump happened.
	Then a narrative came in that if you voted for Trump, if you voted for Brexit, you were stupid, thick, racist, white.
	All of these things, which they all lumped in together, And then that's when the real divisions happened in comedy.
	And that's when I saw comedy becoming more woke, becoming more illiberal, becoming more intolerant.
	And it's progressed.
	And then, obviously, we are where we are now.
	So that is my story with regards to trigonometry.
	And by the way, we started it in 2018 as a reaction to all of that, because we saw what happened.
	With Brexit, with Trump, and both Constantine and I, with our backgrounds and with where we've lived, we know that that's not true.
	So we want to talk about what was happening, what was the real story, and getting away from the narrative.
	We lost you there for a bit, but at the end of this evolution of the wokeism infecting comedy, you connected.
	Constantine, tell us why trigonometry was born in your backstory.
	Well, the one thing Francis didn't mention in detail there is his background, his family being from Venezuela.
	And my family, not just my family, I was born in the Soviet Union in the early 80s.
	And, you know, my grandmother was born in a gulag.
	The idea that, you know, there are excesses to be had on the left and on the right is not new to me.
	And when I saw the intolerance starting to come through and particularly, Seb, I think the thing that really bothers us is the collectivist nature of the ideas, which is very anti-American.
	It's a very good question.
	It's not a thing that we particularly have in Britain, but America is something that we all look up to in some way.
	And this idea that the individual is sacred, your rights as an individual are sacred and are to be protected.
	seemed to be being eroded and people were being lumped into groups.
	And you no longer think for yourself as Dr. Sebastian Gorka, you are now a straight white man and I am a Jewish man and all of this.
	And that was just incredibly toxic and off-putting to me.
	And as a comedian like Francis worked in the circuit, I saw this coming through.
	You know, suddenly you saw these kids, 18, 20 year olds going on stage, talking about how guilty they are.
	And equally, you saw these other kids simply because they had a little bit more melanin talking about how they're oppressed.
	And I was like, this wasn't going on 10, 15 years ago.
	So all of that was the genesis of the show.
	But particularly, I think, with our background, we're very sensitive to what we see as a liberalism, authoritarianism and this collectivism that is happening.
	Particularly on the left, there are elements of it on the right as well, which we abhor equally.
	But that is essentially the genesis of the show.
	The slogan of the show is honest conversations with fascinating people.
	And as you said yourself, this is where you get your worst ideas from, Sam.
	Yes, I will now admit that.
	That is where I get my worst, most unpolitically correct ideas from.
	But share with our millions of listeners across the country that seminal moment that made you a household figure in the UK with the story of... It was a college gig, was it not, where you were going to do some stand-up comedy, Constantine, and there was some contractual requirement from the hosts?
	Yeah, well, what actually happened is they invited me to help them raise money for charity.
	So they were asking me to donate my time.
	And then they sent me what they call the behavioral agreement form, which made me feel right back at home in the Soviet Union, which said that they had a Zero Toron's policy on racism, sexism, classism, ageism, ableism, homophobia, biphobia, transphobia, xenophobia, Islamophobia, anti-racism.
	And it also said that all jokes must be respectful and kind.
	And as you as you rightly say, when I turned it down, I mean, all sorts of things happened.
	It was the second biggest news story in this country on the day that the then prime minister of this country was nearly removed from office by her own party.
	That would be the equivalent of Joe Biden nearly gets impeached by the Democrats.
	And the second biggest story on CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, et cetera, is unknown comedian turns down a gig from unknown college, et cetera, et cetera.
	So it was absurd.
	It was a crazy thing to have happened.
	You know, that was one of the moments, and you played the clip of us talking about no longer advertising Surfshark.
	That was one of the moments when we really started to feel that standing up for principles was more important than immediate short-term gains.
	And that is really the approach we've tried to take with the show.
	We talk to people who are controversial, that have different opinions, left and right.
	And we're interested in the truth.
	We're not interested in partisanship.
	We're not interested in, are you on this side or on that side?
	We want to hear what you think.
	We want to have a conversation about it.
	And if you're wrong, that's great.
	There'll be people who come in and challenge that.
	And if you're right, even better.
	Yeah, I have to say, look, neither of you call yourselves conservatives or, you know, right wing.
	But let me therefore ask this question.
	Why does it take to stand up?
	What is it about you that you have the most honest podcast on political issues?
	outside of the US, as far as I'm concerned.
	Is it truly, is there a univalent answer, Francis?
	Is it because of your family background?
	Can you give us a reason? - I think, Seb, it comes down that we're not beholden to any particular organization.
	And we are just two guys who started a YouTube show.
	And that's pretty much it.
	We're not aligned, we're not affiliated with anybody, we're not beholden to any organisation, we don't have to answer to anyone.
	The only thing that we answer to is every time we do an episode, we think to ourselves, does this person, it doesn't matter about race, gender, we don't care about any of that.
	What we care about, does this person have something to offer?
	Does this person have something to offer the conversation?
	Now, Constantine could disagree with them, I could disagree with them.
	I have spoken to people who I disagree with on practically everything, but I'm humble enough to realise that that doesn't mean that they don't have something to offer.
	And as a result, that's the one thing I think distinguishes us from everyone else.
	We have no interest in putting forward a narrative.
	We have no interest in platforming people who just subscribe to our political views.
	And we have no interest in lecturing people around the world what they should or shouldn't think.
	We just interview interesting people and we do what the mainstream media used to do.
	They don't anymore, by and large, which is treat our audience as adults.
	Let them make up their own minds.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Guys, if you're not familiar with this podcast, you should be.
	It is one that I am super loyal to.
	When it pops up, really, I do either download it or watch it straight away.
	It's called Trigonometry.
	It's Constantin Kissin.
	It's Francis Foster.
	And by the way, I've got to mention now before I get it, Francis, No, Constantine has written his first book.
	First book, I believe.
	It is available for pre-order.
	It is called An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West.
	It's at Amazon, regrettably, but right now you can pre-order it at Amazon.com and Immigrants Letter to the West.
	You can't pre-order it at Amazon.com and Immigrants Letter to the West.
	You can't pre-order it at Amazon.com and Immigrants Letter Thank you.
	Thank you.
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	So, Constantine, is it because you don't have a narrative, like Francis said, that your podcast is so good?
	Or can it be divorced from where you came from, where you were born?
	Not for me, Seb.
	Not for me.
	And I get very emotional when I talk about this and it's sort of embarrassing, but when I think about my ancestors, people who died for the truth, for what they believed, people who died for the opportunity to even speak their mind, to say, I think what's happening in this country is right, or it's wrong, or it's whatever.
	You know, people gave their lives.
	Millions of people were persecuted in my country for doing this.
	So to me, I'm sorry, it's a sacred value.
	I will not compromise on that.
	And I will never I will never allow, if I can, I will never allow the West to descend into this madness where we're supposed to pretend that things that aren't true aren't true and vice versa.
	We're supposed to pretend that you can just say a word and you change your sex or whatever.
	All this other nonsense that is being rammed down our throats, I will not stand for it.
	I'm not prepared to betray the people who came before me.
	And you talk about authenticity.
	In some ways, you're right that outside the UK, we're one of the few people who are doing it, but we stand on the shoulders of giants.
	I mean, when I think about people like Joe Rogan over in America, this is what Joe's done.
	And he's the first to say that he's not necessarily the most well-educated person or the most intellectual or whatever.
	But what he does is he's mastered the art of authentic conversation.
	And that has been an inspiration for us looking at other people who have that discussion, who are not scared to push back on their guests, but they don't do it artificially.
	They don't feel like they have to interrupt the person they're talking to every three seconds.
	It's not the Cathy Newman, JB Peterson interview, right?
	Quite.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	So that's been our approach.
	Yeah, look, I want to give you guys full recognition here in just the last few weeks.
	Joe Rogan and Ricky Gervais have both mentioned your podcast.
	So you're definitely on the radar screen of some of the biggest enemies of political correctness.
	So congrats to you.
	And let me, in front of all of my listeners and viewers, say this.
	I don't think I said this the last time you guys were on.
	It is really indicative Of your authenticity or your lack of agenda, that you had no issue when I contacted you guys, said I'm a big fan.
	Not long after that, you had me on the show as former deputy assistant to President Trump.
	So I think that that is really an indication of just how honest you are, that you are open to all views.
	But it's hard to get the leftists to come on your show, isn't it?
	Um, it can be a challenge, yes.
	Not always, but yes, it can be more of a challenge.
	And the reason is, and I do have a certain amount of sympathy for them in this case, Seb, which is, if they appear on our show, then somebody will say to them, I can't believe you've appeared on that show.
	They've interviewed Nigel Farage.
	Right.
	How could you do this?
	These people are practically Nazis.
	Yeah, you mentioned they would risk getting cancelled, correct?
	Yeah, they would risk being ostracized from their tribe, losing friends, getting kicked out of their circles, simply because they appeared on a show which conducted an interview with people like yourself or people like Nigel Farage.
	It is utterly, utterly ridiculous.
	And when that happens, society's in crisis.
	Because if you don't talk to people that you disagree with, Number one, you're going to miss out on some valuable relationships.
	Because some of my best friends, even my partner, is someone who I disagree with politically.
	Number two, you will never ever get the chance to challenge your own arguments and strengthen them.
	And number three, and more importantly than all of that, you're not going to learn anything.
	You're not going to change your mind.
	You're going to become a less rounded human being.
	In the midst of this cancelled culture, how important is it, Konstantin, that you have your distinct patter, you have the banter between the two of you, especially when you do your special Raw videos, but you open every single show with the welcome bigots and bigotesses.
	How important is it?
	That you take the absurdity, the calumny, the smears of the woke extremists and you just laugh at it in that Monty Python-esque absurdity.
	How important a technique is it not to apologize for authenticity and to just throw back at them the garbage?
	Yeah well look if we thought our audience were actually bigots we wouldn't be doing that but we're lucky now we're doing live shows we get to meet people and we've got You know, the rainbow coalition of gender critical feminists all the way through to right-leaning conservatives and everybody in between.
	So we know who they are.
	They're good people and we love to do those shows.
	And it's a great pleasure to see what a diverse mix, genuinely diverse, not artificially diverse, Actually diverse people with different opinions, people with different backgrounds, all of that.
	So it is important to laugh.
	And, you know, if people are going to call a left wing woman who just thinks a person with a penis shouldn't be in her bathroom a bigot as a society, well, I don't know what that word means anymore.
	Right.
	So we've got to mock it.
	I just don't see any other choice.
	I think it's very important.
	And I'd add another thing to what Francis said about You know, getting people on from the other side.
	You know what, Seb?
	After the election of Donald Trump in 2016, I was amazed by the reaction because Steve Bannon was doing the press tour.
	He was talking.
	And he would tell them, he'd go, look, this is what we did.
	We did this and then we did that.
	And we focused on economic nationalism.
	And we said, let's just park all this other stuff.
	And all of these people who could be sitting there listening and going, this is how we defeat them.
	He's telling us how we can win.
	And instead, they just ignored it.
	That, to me, is just absurd.
	And that's why I think it's important to talk to people from all sides, including people you vehemently disagree with.
	Because, hey, you might learn how to defeat them if you are on the other side.
	Learn!
	I mean, I know you're interested in the history of warfare and all of that.
	To me, that's such an obvious thing.
	Learn from your enemies, if that's what they are.
	You've got to learn from everybody.
	Well there was a guy I think uh two and a half thousand years ago um what's his name oh yeah Sun Tzu who actually said that the the most uh oft misquoted individual who didn't say to know to know your enemy is to win it's know thyself and why you are fighting and know the enemy But both parts of that equation are essential, whether it's a political campaign or whether it's actual warfare.
	We talk to Francis Foster Constantine Kissin, the host of an amazing podcast called Trigonometry.
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	People forget.
	You know my story, guys.
	I was born in the UK.
	I was the child of refugees who escaped communism.
	My father was actually liberated from a communist prison after receiving a life sentence for resisting communism.
	The revolutionaries of 1956 liberated him.
	So for me, I'm an American now.
	I've worked in the White House, but I'm truly one of these transatlantic individuals.
	And as a result, I see the rise of You called it nationalist populism or economic nationalism a la Bannon.
	The rise of the Trump phenomena, Bolsonaro and everything that is related, really for me doesn't happen without Brexit.
	So when you had, what was it, 17 million Brits say, You know, screw the socialists in Brussels.
	We want our independence back.
	We're leaving the EU.
	Could you give us an update for those who don't follow British politics closely?
	That amazing, you know, Dunkirk spirit, that bulldog spirit that brought Brexit, is it alive today?
	Or has the, you know, the latest Delta Epsilon virus variant kind of created fear amongst those who wanted independence?
	Where are we at in the UK?
	Well, this new variant, the omnivore variant or whatever it's called.
	The moronic variant.
	Whatever it is.
	Obviously, COVID has been the biggest issue that everyone's been talking about nonstop.
	And that has meant that actually a lot of important issues are going unnoticed, uncovered, undiscussed and undealt with.
	And Brexit did get delivered, as you know, by the way, Francis and I both voted remain in that referendum.
	But we did think it was important for democracy to continue to respect the vote of the people.
	What we're seeing now, however, Seb, is that some of the promises that were made about Brexit, which one of them, of course, was key, was the ability to control immigration into the UK.
	That is not being delivered now.
	And that is going to be a big issue because we do have people continuing to stream into the country illegally, as you do in the United States on the southern border.
	And that will be an issue because it's becoming a bigger and bigger problem.
	We continue to have terrorist attacks, some of them committed by People who come here whose asylum claims are rejected and they're allowed to stay in the country, they're allowed to blow things up, etc.
	So I would say that the people who campaign for Brexit are going to be in some part at least disappointed because it's not delivered the things that they were promised.
	Francis, is the working class indomitable spirit crushed by Covid?
	Where are we at?
	Is Brexit, is that spirit still alive?
	I think it is still alive, Seb, but I think the problem is it's becoming more and more apparent that our government aren't fit for purpose.
	They got a huge swathe of working class votes.
	And you look at what they've done.
	I mean, look, number one, they've been dealt a very difficult hand with COVID.
	Let's just all be very honest about that.
	But I think more and more people have become incredibly dissatisfied with this Tory government, the present Conservative government.
	And the thing that's worrying, particularly for me, is that you look at the Labour Party and they're even worse.
	So what we have is one inept government And an opposition that are even more inept, which means we're in a glorified one-party state.
	There is nobody at the moment who looks as if they've got any type of political vision, any type of, how can I put this, political identity.
	The two parties at the moment seem interchangeable.
	They don't have anybody who's got any vision.
	It's a quite depressing place to be politically.
	And not only that, for those who aren't familiar, will you talk a little bit about how the police is being used to police thought and how you can get in trouble for posting the wrong meme in the UK?
	Seb, I'll tell you this story because I actually find it quite upsetting.
	So, my mother is a disabled woman, my father is elderly, he's her full-time carer.
	So they went to buy the shopping.
	This was in December 2019.
	They came back, my father walked into the house, disturbed a gang, robbing my parents' house.
	Very lucky, the guy literally ran past him, the robber, Jumped over the fence and ran out along with his accomplices.
	Stealing all my mother's heirlooms from her mother, who has died.
	The only contact she has with them.
	Took them.
	They called the police.
	Police came round.
	They looked around the house.
	Went away.
	And by the time they went away, round about 10-15 minutes later, he received an email saying the investigation into the break-in, into the robbery of my parents' house was officially closed.
	gave them a crime reference number so they could claim on the insurance.
	Yet you now see that certain police authorities are investigating people because they make jokes on Twitter.
	The entire country seems to have been turned upside down.
	It's a nonsense.
	Absolutely appalling.
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	How bad does it get?
	Constantine, tell us about the policing of thought in the UK.
	Well, we have thousands of people arrested for thought crime every year in this country.
	I think the last year that I have figures for, I think it was 2017 or maybe 2018, well over 3,000 people, 3,300 people were arrested in this country for things that they said online.
	And I think we've allowed ourselves, I don't know how, perhaps it's the fact that we don't have a First Amendment, which I think we sorely needed in this country.
	We've come to a position where we seem to have decided that when people say things, that's the same as physical violence.
	People will go around chanting this moronic slogan, you know, words of violence and all this other stuff.
	And of course, you then see the big tech companies censoring speech, downranking things, deleting people's channels, etc.
	And it was a very ironic thing, because for the entirety of the last few years, the radical left, who are pushing for a lot of these things, have been saying, well, cancel culture doesn't exist, doesn't happen, it's just right-wing conservatives whining about how they can't be bigoted anymore.
	Well, guess what, Seb?
	Three weeks ago, or something like that, Navarra Media, which is the most prominent far-left YouTube channel and organization in this country, they had their YouTube account deleted and suddenly they were all over the media talking about how it's happening.
	So it's great to have them on board is what I'm saying. - Yes, indeed.
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	Okay, I have to ask this question.
	Given that this is Based upon a denial of the truth.
	You've said it, okay?
	XYXX chromosomes non-negotiable.
	The science deniers are the people who are peddling this garbage.
	A man is a man, a woman is a woman, and you can't just change that by fiat or by saying things.
	Is the Natural absurdity of identity politics, of the radicalism of social justice warriors.
	At some point don't people just burn out of this?
	Don't they just wake up and say this is insanity?
	What is your prognosis?
	Or have they cowed enough people to simply maintain a system where the so-called experts or the loudest people are in control?
	Francis what's your expectation?
	I think that The woke movement, you're going to continue to see it building.
	But the trans issue, and Constantine says this a lot, and he's right when it comes to this, much as it pains me to say it, the trans issue is what's going to break this.
	Because, number one, it involves children.
	When you start to see children, pre-pubescent children, being given puberty blockers... Or surgery!
	Or surgery!
	Yes.
	And surgery.
	That is child abuse.
	It is as simple as that.
	And I'm a former teacher.
	Now, the reason that it's child abuse, it's very simple.
	Children can't consent to that.
	They can't consent.
	Because they have no concept of consequences.
	A child under the age of, I think it's something like 13 or 14...
	Doesn't have any idea of consequences.
	They're not intellectually capable of doing that.
	They're not able of seeing into the future.
	So you are completely transforming a child's body simply because of something they say when they're 6, 7 or 8 years old.
	It is child abuse.
	The reason why we are not allowed to have sex with children is because children can't consent.
	And just in the way they can't consent, It pains him to agree with me, Seb.
	can't consent to having their bodies altered for the rest of their lives it's disgraceful yeah that's a very very good connection you made there and i think the transgender radicalism will break the back of wokeism but you said it pains you to say that why does it pain you to pain pain you to say that it pains him to agree with me sam it pains him to admit i'm right all right constantin is this gonna basically what he did is stole one of my talking points and then said it pains him well Doesn't he do that with his jokes as well?
	Pretty much.
	We steal each other's stuff all the time.
	So Carstensen, is this going to burn out or is the transgender going to make people who are otherwise deem themselves to be apolitical to just wake up and get engaged like we're seeing here in America with all these mama bears at the school board meetings saying this is wrong.
	Look, I love the mama bears and I think they've done a great job.
	And it's a pleasure to see people rejecting this form of neo-racism, which is just horrific to me as someone who genuinely thinks that people should be treated equally no matter where they come from or what their skin color is.
	It's great to see that.
	But I also have to say, Seb, that with what we've seen with the reaction to COVID, it's brought back that thing is that you should never underestimate stupid people in large numbers.
	And I'm afraid my natural optimism, which I always have about Where this is going is been tested somewhat by the last few the last couple of years, really, particularly in this country, where we seem to be doing things that don't work but harder in order to stop the things we didn't stop in the first place.
	Do you know what I mean?
	So yeah, look, I don't I don't want to spend my life so I actually consider my life quite valuable.
	I don't want to spend my life talking about people with pink hair who thinks there's A thousand genders.
	I want to actually talk to fascinating people about biology and psychology and evolution and all the stuff that I'm fascinated by.
	So I hope to God this workness ends.
	I am not optimistic that it will in the immediate.
	All right.
	Let me... Seb, I'll just add something which I think neatly sums up where we are.
	There is a program in the UK that you will know, your American viewers might not, it's called Question Time.
	It's the most important political program, debate program in the UK.
	In front of an audience, you've got politicians, cultural figures, and they take questions from the host and from the audience.
	It's a seminal part of British TV, correct?
	Correct.
	They had on that program Sir Robert Winston, one of our most eminent biologists.
	And he was asked about the trans And he said to them, Now I may remind you, this is a man who is one of the most preeminent biologists in the world.
	male or you were born female and your sex is quite literally written into every cell of your body now I may remind you this is a man who is one of the most preeminent biologists in the world the host Fiona Bruce looked at him and said the words there are some people who might disagree with you on that sir Robert there's some people who believe the earth is flat as well exactly Exactly.
	Exactly.
	But that's where we are.
	That's where we are.
	It's like inviting a physicist on and then you've got somebody next to him who denies gravity exists.
	Are you seeing the phenomena of the mama bears?
	Are you seeing otherwise apolitical people get engaged on this stuff?
	Not yet, sir.
	But what we are seeing, I think, is a lot of people who would consider themselves moderate becoming more vocal about some of the things that they're saying.
	Because, look, when it's some kind of issue out there, far in the distance, it doesn't really affect you.
	It's one thing.
	When it starts being taught in your school and you start to find out about it, That's a whole different ballgame, really.
	I'm fortunate.
	I think we're fortunate to say that we're not quite as advanced as some of this madness in the UK as you guys are over there.
	But yeah, I mean, if they carry on with this, I think you will see more ordinary people pushing against it.
	I think some of the insanity of the way that COVID has been handled, I think, has prompted a lot of sensible people.
	Left and right, by the way, this is an interesting thing.
	There are a lot of people on the left.
	Who are starting to see some of the ridiculousness of the reaction as well.
	So that's what we need in my opinion.
	We need sensible, moderate people to get involved, to be sensible and moderate, not to go over the line and just to lend their voice to the conversations that are being had to challenging some of this craziness.
	Thank you.
	Thank you. .
	Tell our listeners why you did what you did, and why the cost of what you did was okay, and why you can bear it, and why you will not be intimidated, and what your message is to those who are intimidated.
	It's only once you've lost everything that you're free to do anything, Seb.
	That's it.
	It's as simple as that.
	You know, when we started Trigonometry, I said to Francis on day one, people are going to call us names, People are going to attack us.
	People are going to misrepresent where we're coming from.
	And he didn't believe me, but it's all come true, right?
	And the reason I knew it is we live in a society where speaking the truth is a very bad short-term strategy.
	But what we've also found through the work that we've done is it's a very good long-term strategy.
	If you do what is truly you, if you're authentic about what you believe, if you engage in good faith with people, you will be rewarded for it.
	And so all I say to those people is, look, What do you want your life to be about?
	Because life is a very short thing and eventually we're all going to die and all that's going to happen is you're going to go in the ground, they're going to throw some mud over you and then go and eat some food, right?
	Now, what do you want?
	That's it.
	That's a very, very Russian answer.
	That could be straight out of Dostoevsky.
	Yeah, it could be, but it's true, right?
	Life is very short.
	And what do you want it to be about?
	Do you want it to be about conformity?
	Do you want it to be about taking the knee to something you don't believe in?
	Do you want it to be about lying every day?
	about your actual opinions?
	Do you want to feel like a coward?
	Do you want to be, you know, trying to explain to your kids why you drink every night?
	Do you know what I mean?
	Just, I just, I couldn't live a life of an authenticity and that's why I did it.
	And maybe it's not for everybody, but I try to encourage people to think about what is the purpose of your life?
	What do you want it to be about?
	And I think it's when you look at it from that perspective, the answer is actually much easier than you think.
	Indeed.
	Francis?
	I think it's a lot of it is to do with what constant, which is not wishing to be an authentic, not wishing to live a life that where you have to say, what is the general consensus?
	And, And I think as well, the reason that I stood up to it is because I hate to see people demonized of any race, of any gender.
	And the way they were demonizing white men, and particularly white old men, When I think about people like my father, when I think about people like my grandfather, who volunteered to fight the Nazis, I just wasn't going to have it anymore.
	There are times in your life where you have just to say, enough.
	And that might mean that you might lose friends.
	It might mean that your career might be curtailed as a result.
	But I guarantee...
	You'll never regret standing up.
	What you will regret is not being honest.
	The times in my life where I haven't been honest, those are the moments I regret.
	The moments where I've stood up and said what I thought, even if things didn't work in the short term, I never regretted it.
	These gentlemen don't compromise, and that's why they've got almost a third of a million followers today.
	Please listen to their podcast.
	Amazing guests, interesting people.
	It's called Trigonometry.
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	Carstensen Kissin, Frances Foster.
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	God bless you both.
	Wherever you are, guys, keep your head on the swivel, watch your six, hold the line, never give up, never give in.

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