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Oct. 27, 2021 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: New evidence from Alec Baldwin shooting

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	First things.
	She said this meeting of the school board, quote, does not belong to the public.
	Then what school are we talking about?
	Are we talking about private schools?
	If it is a school board, then those are public schools.
	And you work for the parents of that county.
	But secondly, when she said in advance that any parent, any citizen wanting to speak at that school board meeting, and her name is Jodie Sapp, S-A-P-P, I wonder if... Let's look into this.
	Eric, look into this during the show.
	Did she give out her address?
	I'd love to know if Jodie Sapp Gave out her address because I would bet you she didn't.
	But demanding that that parent or anyone speaking not only identify themselves by their name but by their street address of their home.
	Badgering them when they said only the street and then wanting the house number.
	Why do you need that?
	She knows who they are.
	They filed their question in advance.
	They know who this parent is.
	They know where they live.
	Why do they have to state their address on camera?
	Why do they need that?
	There's only one reasonable explanation.
	So that her allies, extremists, radicals, who like
	Terry McAuliffe think that parents shouldn't have a say in what their children learn in school, they should be exposed to paedophilic pornography, should be doxxed, should be targeted by their allies, should have property damage done to their homes, should be, in fact,
	Intimidated by people who believe that their children don't belong to the families whence they came from, but belong to the state.
	I met my wife in 1994, October.
	I was working for the first freely elected conservative post-communist government in Hungary.
	I was born in the UK, but my parents escaped communist Hungary, and I grew up speaking English.
	I'd served in the British Army.
	So I worked in the first freely elected government in the Defense Ministry, helping that benighted nation crawl out of communism and become part of the West again, and to join NATO.
	That was my portfolio.
	My wife was also working on matters to do with post-communist Central Europe, was traveling there half of every year and was working for a think tank in New York.
	An American NGO think tank organized a conference in Romania to bring together young policy professionals in their 20s.
	To try and help the nations of the former communist bloc build a civil society, to make them capable of doing national security policy, foreign policy.
	I went to that conference as an invitee from Hungary, with three other Hungarians.
	There were people from Bulgaria, from Poland, and people from America.
	Including my future wife, Katie.
	It's an amazing conference.
	Love at first sight when it came to meeting Katie.
	And for the second half of the conference...
	We were all transported to Bucharest.
	We'd been in the countryside and on the Black Sea coast and we were taken to the capital to see Ceaușescu's People's Palace, the largest building in the world outside of the Pentagon, built by a communist dictator who was one of the most wicked of the 20th century.
	And one of the last things we did is we had meetings with the representatives of the then Romanian government.
	Which was post-communist, but which was full of former communists.
	One of the attendees, one of the Americans, Ralph, I hope you're well, asked a question about the state of ethnic minorities in Romania.
	There's a large Hungarian minority and there's always been tensions with the majority Romanians, especially under communism.
	So he asked how's it going and how disturbed is the remaining government that there could be some kind of powder keg incident like there was happening at the time in Yugoslavia.
	What did that government official do?
	First thing he did.
	What is your name and where do you come from?
	Classic communist tactic of intimidation.
	I know who you are.
	I've got your number.
	And that is what you just witnessed with Jodie Sapp.
	And we've got to stop it.
	Wherever you are.
	Whether you're in Minnesota, Virginia, New York.
	Never let them get to you.
	This is where we take our country back.
	Get politically engaged for the sake of our children and the nation.
	All right.
	Mic's on.
	Yeah.
	I went to Mankato, Minnesota about every year of my life.
	How come?
	Oh, it's Vikings training camp used to be up there.
	We'd go every year.
	I'd drive up out of Minneapolis.
	So that one, that one itself, it's not a big town.
	It just has the university in it.
	University of Mankato.
	That was creepy.
	All right.
	We need to wait.
	Yeah.
	And what's your name?
	That was straight, so strange.
	It's obvious what they're doing.
	No, they're just being open about it because they literally don't care anymore.
	Yeah.
	What are the best cuts?
	Casio has to do eight.
	What are the best Loudon cuts?
	Is it the number two?
	We see you in court, or what is it?
	No, the... Four's funny.
	Four's funny?
	Okay.
	Send four and eight.
	What else is important?
	I think her high school daughter taking buddy trips to the bathroom is pretty powerful.
	Okay, good.
	Alright.
	Will you do those three?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Can you play three for me, Eric?
	Three.
	Right.
	Most alarming, this past spring my daughter was cast in a play, which was to be performed in front of our community, where four adults met up to have group sex.
	Neither the principal nor the teacher followed policy 8610, and my daughter was exposed to content that greatly traumatized her.
	I reached out to Mr. Suratkin for his help and he assured me he would take care of it.
	I never heard back.
	Is anyone on this board concerned about the safety of our children?
	If not, resign.
	- It's fine. - Nope. - All right, coming with that.
	Come in with cut two.
	All right, or sorry, that was three.
	Yeah, coming in with cut three.
	In gun that was used on the set, the same model, the trigger will do nothing unless you have first cocked the gun.
	So you have to pull the hammer back, it sets, and then the trigger will activate the dropping of the hammer.
	So you have to do two deliberate actions.
	One minute and she's on the line.
	- Would anything about that first action of cocking the hammer before pulling the trigger, would that feel different if there was or wasn't a bullet?
	In that order would it feel exactly the same way? - It would not.
	There's a mechanical linkage in here.
	There's a gear that connects the hammer to-- - One minute and she's on the line. - The piece that rotates the cylinder.
	And it feels the same regardless of whether there's ammo blank or nothing in there.
	Hey, Jenna.
	Hello, my friend.
	You know, yesterday when we talked, or two days ago, I guess, you talked about how certain guns are able to have blanks in them and others are not.
	Does this gun exist?
	Okay.
	Hey, Jenna.
	Hello, my friend.
	Hey, how are you doing?
	I'm good.
	It's been a busy couple of weeks.
	All right.
	I want to have to come in with a cut from the Loudoun County meeting last night.
	I'll get you to respond to it.
	What are you working on?
	Okay, we can also talk about, so there was a judge, a federal judge in the Southwest case that denied the Tipperary injunction.
	I saw that.
	I saw that.
	Okay, good.
	All right.
	Standby.
	15 seconds.
	Standby.
	Standing by.
	Bye.
	Coming in with cut three.
	Portions of America First are brought to you in part by Job Creators Network.
	work.
	Most alarming, this past spring my daughter was cast in a play, which was to be performed in front of our community, where four adults met up to have group sex.
	Neither the principal nor the teacher followed policy 8610, and my daughter was exposed to content that greatly traumatized her.
	I reached out to Mr. Suratkin for his help, and he assured me he would take care of it.
	I never heard back.
	Is anyone on this board concerned about the safety of our children?
	If not, resign.
	That's really the question.
	Again, from the Loudoun County meeting last night.
	Are the members of the board interested in keeping our children safe or not?
	It's a very simple question.
	And why?
	For a school, would you have a play in which the children have to act where there are scenes involving those who want to have group sex?
	It's not a Stephen King novel, is it?
	Truly perverse, but people are waking up.
	Let's talk to our first guest of the day, constitutional law expert, former attorney to the President of the United States, chair of the National Election Integrity Alliance, of which I am also a member, full disclosure.
	Jenna Ellis, welcome to America First.
	Always great to join you.
	Jenna, it seems like the parents are piling on.
	They are maintaining the pressure.
	The Attorney General of the United States may want to label them as domestic terrorists, but they're not giving up.
	Well, and this is just so absurd, Seb, and I think that the bigger and larger picture that we as conservatives need to focus on is that the left is trying to say that education needs to be wholly secular, and we can remove God out of this.
	We can remove the parents.
	They can't even have any input, like the Washington Post headline said that parents can't participate in their children's curriculum.
	But the reality is, every single person has a worldview, has a religion, even if that's atheism.
	They're basically worshiping themselves at that point and setting man up as God.
	And so to think that education is wholly viewpoint neutral is absurd.
	And this type of situation in Loudoun County is showing that that the postmodern secular irrational left is trying to impose their view of morality on the parents' children.
	And that's what parents are objecting to.
	And it's not just content.
	It's not just their participation.
	It's the fact that secular education and government-run schools are now trying to teach a viewpoint that is contrary to the morality of these parents.
	And that's why school choice matters.
	And we need to fund the students rather than fund institutions so that parents can absolutely have a say in the education of their children.
	Yeah.
	This is what they wish to prevent.
	It's, you know, Terry McAuliffe was clear parents should not, should not be the people determining what their children are educated on and that is the concept of the left, the state owning your children.
	Follow this lady at Jenna Ellis ESQ, listen to her podcast.
	Jenna, the mandates, there is a new development, there is a judge who's brought a ruling on the Southwest case.
	Tell us, explain to us how much of a body blow this is to those who say, my body, my choice when it comes to vaccines.
	Yeah, so we all remember that Southwest Airlines and the Pilots Union had filed suit in federal court basically saying that this vaccine mandate was a unilateral modification of the employment agreement and you can't do that under collective bargaining and this is an instance where actually maybe collective bargaining is is very powerful but a federal judge today has rejected a bid by Pilots
	To block Southwest Airlines from imposing a vaccine mandate, saying the airline is within its power to require vaccination as a safety measure.
	So the judge said Tuesday, and I'm reading from the Newsmax article here, that Southwest is within its authority to require vaccinations to improve safety and maintain its operations.
	This is absurd, Seb.
	There is absolutely no rational basis for a judge to say that somehow getting a vaccine is improving the safety and operational measures of an airline.
	We know that at this point the coronavirus has a 99.98% survival rate, that there are still breakthrough cases, that individuals can make their own choice.
	We know that COVID recovery and natural immunity is actually, according to studies from Israel, up to 12 and 24 times more effective.
	So for this judge to completely ignore the unilateral modification and say that somehow this is an operational safety mechanism is just patently absurd.
	And I hope that Southwest will appeal this and this judge ruling will be overturned.
	What is your expectation?
	We are close to Thanksgiving.
	Many of the mandates, state mandates and corporate mandates, are kicking in just a week or two's time.
	Do you think this ruling is going to be the shape of things to come or do you expect to see mass walkouts or, as we saw with the airline pilots earlier, just a lot of people taking sick leave, Jenna?
	Yeah, I think that this is definitely going to impact the workforce.
	I think that a lot of people are going to switch to Delta, which has backed off of the vaccine mandate.
	They were the first airline to do that and say that they're not going to impose that, which is a great thing.
	And there are a number of cases, the Thomas More Society, which I'm special counsel with them, we have a number of cases across the country that are challenging, particularly their religious accommodations and denials of First Amendment and Title VII protected religious accommodations. particularly their religious accommodations and denials of First Amendment and So I think they're going to continue to make their way through the court system.
	But the problem is going to be if there are not these types of temporary injunctions while the rest of the meritorious arguments continue through the court system, because then that will mean that some people are going to lose their job while these cases are pending.
	And that's absolutely ridiculous and unacceptable.
	So I hope that other courts will be smarter than Texas and this federal judge.
	But that remains to be seen.
	But the bottom line for people listening, we have to continue to stand firm.
	If you are a person that objects particularly on a religious basis, don't be bullied into getting a vaccine or anything regarding your health, just because of these types of mandates, this is why we have to stand firm.
	If we give in and we say, well, no, we have to do this, and I'm willing to give up a little liberty just for the safety of my job, then we're going to end up giving up a lot of liberty down the road.
	You can follow this lady's work, support it at AmericanGreatnessFund.com.
	Jenna, last 90 seconds, any new developments, anything we should be focusing on when it comes to election audits and election fraud across the country?
	Yeah, you know, we're still continuing to follow how Arizona is going to respond to this.
	I think that the Attorney General's office there in Arizona, when they've asked the Secretary of State to provide a lot of this information to them, I think that's going to be important.
	The frustrating thing I know for a lot of Americans is we're almost a year now post-2020, and it doesn't seem like a lot of stuff is happening.
	But I think that continuing to talk about this, continuing to make sure that election integrity is important and is the emphasis going into 2022 and to make sure that we support candidates to support election integrity and support audits, which are just routine.
	types of contemplated procedures to make sure that we all can trust in the system, to make sure we get legislation passed.
	We need to stand up boldly and do not allow the Biden administration and the left to talk about election interference.
	This is all, they're spinning this.
	This is all about election integrity.
	That's an American issue.
	We have to be safe and secure in our elections and have confidence.
	So we're continuing to push forward.
	And there's only reason, only one reason you wouldn't want to have election integrity if you want to cheat.
	Follow this lady, Jenna Ellis Esquire.
	You can see her on Newsmax as well and listen to her podcast.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	or call your calls on 833-334-6752.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Cut 11.
	Yep.
	Right here.
	Is Beijing ByteDance Technology a, quote, other affiliate of our corporate group, as your privacy policy defines that term?
	Senator, as I pointed out before, my answer is the same.
	Yes or no?
	You didn't answer.
	Senator, I appreciate your trying with gotcha questions.
	It's not a gotcha question!
	I'm asking about your policy!
	I'm just trying to be truthful and accurate about the connection between... Are you willing to answer this question yes or no?
	Senator, I answered the question.
	You have not answered the question.
	Is it another affiliate?
	Yes or no?
	Senator, I stated a number of times that that entity is a domestic entity within China for licenses there.
	And apples are red.
	You stated something that is not the question I asked.
	Is it another affiliate as defined under your privacy policy?
	Yes or no?
	Senator, I answered the question.
	You're here under oath.
	Are you going to answer the question?
	I answered the question.
	Or were you instructed not to answer this question?
	No, Senator.
	Tell Matt Gaetz to watch his back.
	Tell him to watch his children.
	Tell him to watch everyone.
	I'm coming for him.
	He's gonna f***ing die.
	- Cut, man. - 10. - Tell Matt Gaetz to watch his back.
	Tell him to watch his children.
	Tell him to watch everyone.
	I'm coming for him.
	He's gonna die.
	He's a despicable tyrant.
	And I'm gonna kill him.
	Watch your back.
	I'm coming for you.
	I'm gonna put a bullet in you, and I'm gonna put a bullet in one of your f***ing kids, too.
	I hate you.
	By the way, Hulsman is a long-time member of the media, having worked as a camera operator for ABC, NBC, and CNN.
	Wow, let's come in with that.
	Coming in with Cuts 10.
	He was just charged, right?
	Yes.
	It's not the same guy that he mentioned on the floor.
	JCN here and relief.
	Oh, then I'll tee it up.
	I think coming in with that might be a bit strong too.
	Why?
	It's good to come in with it, but to explain that it's not... You didn't take your weedies today?
	No, I'm coming because people want to know what it is.
	You didn't take your Mountain Nature today?
	Yeah, I would want to know... Come in with it, because people are going to be like, oh, what is this?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's better.
	Okay, then you want to wait, and then do JCN after, or?
	No, I'm doing JCN now.
	Okay.
	So you'll tee it up?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Stand by.
	Making sense.
	Out of today's news, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
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	Okay.
	I was told not to come in with this cut.
	You'd think that was probably a wise, sagacious piece of advice.
	An individual who it took six months for the Department of Justice to charge made death threats to Matt Gaetz.
	And we have the audio of the threats he's made.
	And surprise, surprise, at the end you'll hear where he works.
	His name is Eugene Hulsman.
	And this is what he thinks of Republican members of Congress.
	Tell Matt Gaetz to watch his back.
	Tell him to watch his children.
	Tell him to watch everyone.
	I'm coming for him.
	He's gonna f***ing die.
	He's a f*ing despicable f*ing tyrant.
	And I'm gonna f***ing kill him.
	Watch your back.
	I'm coming for you.
	I'm gonna put a bullet in you.
	I'm gonna put a bullet in one of your f***ing kids, too.
	I hate you.
	By the way, Hulsman is a long-time member of the media, having worked as a camera operator for ABC, NBC, and CNN.
	It's interesting, I've known a lot of cameramen in my time, and I've liked them, because they're usually conservatives, because they actually do a real job.
	They've got to hump cameras, they've got to be actually, you know, on time, on their marks, handling that equipment.
	But I guess not all of them are patriots.
	Let's just say that man's name again.
	Eugene Heusman.
	Former CNN cameraman.
	Who wants to kill congressmen.
	Why?
	Because they politically disagree with them.
	But it's not just people who give out death threats.
	It's teachers.
	Yes, teachers.
	Who think that if you disagree with them, That makes you a terrorist.
	Found this on Twitter.
	It's a TikTok video from a teacher talking about the parents of her students.
	Cut 14.
	Here's your ostinato.
	Terrorist, terrorist, purple for parents are.
	Terrorist, terrorist, purple for parents are.
	While some had good intentions, they all were misinformed.
	Now threatening violence, boxing teachers has become the norm.
	They come to school board meetings with lots of things to say.
	And they will bully, cuss, or scream if they don't get their way.
	What an outrage.
	Parents getting their way at school board meetings.
	I mean, come on!
	It's got to be the bureaucrats that run the children's lives!
	Let's go to your calls.
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	Alex, Brooklyn, line one.
	Sebastian, first, isn't school board meetings about just that?
	Coming and saying what you want for your kids?
	Yeah, you'd think.
	I have a theory about the Virginia race.
	And I may be wrong, but if you look at the polls, it seems like the Republican candidate might win on November 2nd.
	And I think it's a fake, phony poll.
	I think it's all set up.
	The Democrats are making it look like there's a chance for the Republican to win, when really the Democratic governor is going to win again by a landslide because it's a blue state.
	And what are they going to say then?
	They're going to say, look at Joe Biden's polls.
	You see that he's doing terrible.
	The American people don't like him.
	Those polls are also fake, just like the Virginia numbers were fake.
	Why they're not lying about Joe Biden's number is because they are lying, but they can't say that everyone loves Joe Biden.
	Really, nobody likes him.
	So they say it's 44%.
	Now you completely lost me.
	So you said the polls that say he's unpopular are a lie, but then you say nobody likes him.
	Well, you can't have both.
	Which is it, Alex?
	It's a lie, but they could only lie so far.
	Right?
	It's way worse than they say it is, but they can't say that it's any better because people aren't gonna fall for it.
	Nobody's gonna think that 70% of the American people think that what he did in Afghanistan was good.
	But they could say that 44% think that it's good.
	Alex, here's my response.
	Polls are garbage, but the fact that they have to deploy Biden and Obama means they are worried.
	They've spent $110 million on ads.
	This isn't a walk in the park.
	So at the end of the day, I don't trust the polls.
	I distrust them as much as I did in every election.
	So maybe he's going to win it.
	It's not going to be a landslide, but maybe McAuliffe is going to win it.
	All I know is they're worried, and that is an empirical fact.
	Thank you, Alex.
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	Mic's on. Yep.
	The New Mexico police said that Baldwin's been cooperating.
	Yeah?
	His whereabouts are unknown, and they told him not to leave the state.
	Whereabouts unknown?
	I know he left the state, there's no way he's sticking around New Mexico.
	Whereabouts unknown.
	Uh, titles.
	Tectories.
	Uh, 1A.
	What did I talk about?
	The lady who asked for everyone's addresses.
	Oh, yes.
	Communist tactics at – is it Minnesota?
	Where is it?
	It was in Mankato.
	Mankato, Minnesota.
	But the school board is what?
	I can look it up and find it.
	Yeah, give me the name of the school board.
	There's some that line one.
	And, uh, Ellis or Clavin?
	Uh, Ellis... Latest airline ruling.
	Latest, uh, court ruling on airlines and vaccines.
	Alright, what did you want to say?
	And Clavin, um...
	You can't lie forever.
	Alright, we've got Merchant Patriot Mobile coming up here.
	The only thing I trust with polls is when a significant amount of them show the same movement, and that's what I've been seeing.
	That's what happened in 2020, though.
	Every poll said, oh, Biden was going to win Wisconsin by like 13 points, and that ended up not happening.
	No, movement, like momentum, not strictly the number.
	I just disagree.
	I think the way that polls are done, if you see an aggregate of polls moving in a direction, that is the most trustworthy sign.
	But the polls we had, what's his face on it?
	Rasmussen.
	The trouble is, they don't sample a representation of the population.
	It's D plus 10.
	And it's often people who are too educated.
	Post grad degrees, grad degrees.
	Um, what's the, oh, okay.
	Wanna come in with anything?
	Yeah, let's come in, oh no, um, actually come in with Cut 2.
	Coming in with Cut 2.
	Alright, coming in with Cut 2.
	Stand by.
	Standing by.
	Dr. G is in the house on America First.
	And nowhere does that spotlight burn brighter than you, Chairwoman Sheridan.
	You are the leader of this school board.
	You have been for two years.
	You have overseen the worst public body in the country, and the buck stops with you.
	You knew when Superintendent Ziegler got up there and lied that wasn't a misunderstanding, and you said nothing.
	And you did nothing to keep the kid out of schools.
	And I know you all think that we're done with Ms.
	Bartz, so we're done.
	But here's the message.
	The truth will come out.
	Justice will prevail, and we will see you in court.
	We will see you in court.
	That's one of the fathers at the meeting yesterday in Loudoun County, and he's talking about the Superintendent Ziegler, who lied, who hid the double rape.
	Now I can say it's not alleged.
	The judge has said it occurred.
	A male student wearing a skirt who raped one student.
	It was hushed up.
	He was moved to another school in the county.
	He raped again.
	And the superintendent and the school board said, never happened.
	Didn't happen.
	No assault in our restrooms.
	It's time to sue them.
	It's time to run for these positions.
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	Somebody wanted to talk about the Baldwin shooting.
	We now know that the gun that was used by Baldwin, with which he killed that cinematographer, had been used just the day before with live rounds.
	To shoot tin cans.
	Yes, that's how much of an amateur and Irresponsible individual who was the weapons master her second only job on a film set age 24 But at the end of the day one person pulled the trigger and his name is Alex Baldwin John, South Carolina on this topic Dr. G, there is no such thing as a firearms accident by and large.
	I like that!
	Explain that, explain that.
	There really are.
	There are virtually no accidents, simply because everybody who pulls the trigger is responsible for where that bullet goes, no matter what is in the chamber.
	And on a regular basis, I'm a hunter in South Carolina.
	So far this year, gun season for deer opened here, I believe it was October 11th.
	So far as I know, there have been no firearms deaths yet, but there will be at least three.
	Really?
	That's the average?
	Yes, that's the average.
	And that's true in virtually every state in the Union where deer hunting, or in turkey hunting, I'm also a turkey hunter, and turkey hunting is actually far more dangerous than deer hunting is.
	Because people shoot at movement, and they're not certain of their target, and they don't know what's going downwind and in downrange.
	And so, realistically, the only way that a gun, a firearm, could actually be used in an accident, in my view, would be if there were over-penetration And with the round, it went through the intended target and hit something downright.
	I'd add one other category as well.
	I'd add mechanical failure.
	Especially with large calibers and when people do double loads by accident when they're home loading.
	I've seen numerous videos of 50 cals exploding because of mechanical failure.
	So if we exclude those when the shooter is Absolutely!
	because the machine, the weapon fails, you're right.
	You know, it's got to be a conscious pull of the trigger, and people can be hurt if the backstop, you've got to be sure of the backstop, not just what you're shooting at, but that there's nobody behind it, because with powerful weapons, it's clear this woman was shot, and the director was also shot as well, who was standing behind her.
	So, John, superb.
	Part of the thing with me, I probably could have been an armorer on set.
	Probably still could be, or certainly at least an assistant.
	I know enough about guns.
	One of the things that should happen is that Alec Baldwin should be charged with negligent homicide.
	Yes!
	Absolutely, and so should everybody in South Carolina who shoots someone.
	Here's the latest development.
	The local DA says criminal charges have not been ruled out, and right now Alec Baldwin has been helping them with their inquiries, but they are not aware of his current location, which is a little bit interesting.
	We love John.
	Stay on the line.
	Let's get Johnny a Let's Go Brandon t-shirt.
	Let's go to George Columbus, Ohio.
	George, welcome back to America First.
	Hi Dr. Gorka.
	Hey!
	I'm calling you back to let you know you proved me wrong again.
	About what?
	What did I tell you to do?
	Well, I called you on Friday.
	You told me to get back to you on Monday.
	I'm sorry, I'm a truck driver.
	I get a little busy and I forget what I'm doing.
	And we were talking about Joe Biden and I was telling you that I thought that he was playing stupid.
	Oh, at the town hall.
	At the town hall.
	Right, right, right.
	So you went back.
	You said, go back and watch that.
	And?
	And you tell me what you think.
	And I will tell you now, there is nobody on earth who can play that darn stupid. - I love it.
	Or senile!
	He's just not mentally there, is he, George?
	You can't lose what you never had, I guess.
	Well, I'm glad.
	It takes a big man to call back and to admit that he was wrong.
	For that, you get rewarded as well.
	Stay on the line.
	He's a trucker.
	Let's give him a Let's Go Brandon hat.
	Stay on the line.
	It's the latest product.
	You can get t-shirts, Let's Go Brandon hats.
	It's really going to be the next MAGA hat.
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	The Let's Go Brandon yard signs.
	You get two.
	You can order two at a time.
	I want those to fly off the shelf so you can tell everybody what you think of this senile old man who is Sadly, in the White House, bearing the title of the President of the United States.
	More of your course here.
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	Stay on this channel.
	Alright.
	Hang on.
	Okay.
	Did you hear that?
	- Make it cut 15. - Hang on, okay.
	- Did you hear that?
	- Got it. - Top, light foot video.
	- Oh yeah.
	- That's a pretty good video, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	Then, um, that school board, I got it.
	It's M-A-N-K-A-T.
	Mankato.
	Yeah.
	But where is that?
	Area Public School.
	It's, uh, that town in Minnesota.
	Yeah.
	Okay, then just do this for the tweet.
	Um, Minnesota School Board, um... Tries to dock parents.
	No, no, no.
	Um, using Soviet tactics.
	Can you tell Casio that?
	Oh, you mean for the title of the video?
	No, Jeff.
	Oh, what did you say?
	I want Casio to post it.
	Okay.
	Minnesota School Board using Soviet tactics.
	Then there's other ones.
	Do you want them all put together?
	Or just separate?
	Of what?
	The Loudoun County ones.
	Separate, separate, separate, separate, separate.
	And the title for that monologue then.
	For the monologue?
	For 1A, that side.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Same thing.
	Oh, Minnesota School Board uses Soviet tactics.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, Soviet, no, Soviet tactics deployed by Minnesota School Board.
	Alright, 30 seconds.
	Yeah.
	My pillow here.
	All right.
	15 seconds.
	Mary, first.
	Standby.
	Not coming in with it.
	Oh, there he is.
	There's my guy.
	Good job.
	How's your new show going?
	Good?
	Very well, thank you.
	I heard.
	Good.
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	Let's go to Mark in Philadelphia, line two.
	Hi, Dr. Lorca.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	Sure.
	I had a question, and I think I know what the answer is.
	What's the difference between the conduct of the Loudoun County School Board with regard to this Not much.
	sexual assaulting student of theirs that they kept moving from one school to another, and the conduct of some of our archbishops in the past couple years with their sexually abusing priests, moving them from one parish to the other.
	Not much.
	I think...
	I think absolutely nothing.
	Yeah, I think it's...
	As a Catholic, I think it's worse because it's a church that is doing the cover-up.
	At least these people are quote-unquote civilians, but I don't see much of a difference at all, Mark, sadly.
	Sadly not, and just like it brought down Hello, Commander of Conservative Radio.
	How are you today?
	This needs to bring both of them down and probably some criminal talk.
	No, I agree.
	I agree, Mark.
	Great parallel.
	Sadly, great parallel.
	Let's go to Matt, line four.
	Hello, Commander of Conservative Radio.
	Hey, good.
	I agree with your caller from South Carolina a little bit ago that – that the shooter is responsible.
	The trigger puller is responsible.
	Yes.
	Not someone else handed me the gun, so I don't know what bullet it was in.
	I mean, that's why I told Mr. G.
	He can't skate because he has money.
	I wouldn't point a slingshot at somebody or anything.
	I don't want to.
	Nobody would ever.
	I wouldn't trust anybody to hand me a weapon and say, OK, it's unloaded.
	It's my responsibility because it's my finger on the trigger.
	You're absolutely right, Matt.
	On this issue, Gary, Arizona, we've got a minute.
	Yes, Mr. Gorka.
	My name is Gary King.
	I'm a retired special effects pyrotechnician in the movie and TV business for 28 years.
	I have direct... You've got 30 seconds, Gary.
	You've got to jump to the point.
	I want to say that I know exactly what happened, and it's a shame.
	It's a disaster.
	It should never have happened.
	Weapons are always secured.
	They're always looked at, and they're always inspected before they're handed to anybody else.
	They should be.
	It was a low-budget production.
	Low-budget production, second show she'd ever done, and somebody screwed up.
	Right, Gary?
	Exactly, and that's exactly what happened, sir.
	Stay on the line, Gary.
	I want your contact details, because you know what you're talking about.
	This is America First.
	Don't touch that dial.
	The End
	Okay, mics are on. mics are on.
	Oh, I just...
	On Saturday, I was watching and I was like, when this game started and they're like, Max Scherzer's broken.
	You look at the war wounded, I mean, everybody was like dead in the dugout.
	They're just all, like, everybody was injured.
	There's just no way.
	So, guess what?
	Go Braves.
	Hey, the Astros.
	Ah.
	Yeah, want it so bad, go get it.
	Mics are back on.
	Yeah, I just can't believe, as I was saying yesterday, I can't believe Halloween's already this upcoming weekend.
	I know.
	That happened fast.
	Oh.
	There we go.
	And then Election Day is literally on Tuesday.
	I know, so what's going to happen?
	Are you guys... Do we have a chance?
	I can't tell which one's spookier.
	I know, do we care?
	Do we... I've been saying for months that McAuliffe is going to win by probably a landslide because of the mail-in stuff that's still in play in Virginia.
	Oh, like California, when you feel like there's... Are you still on holiday?
	Are you on vacation?
	No, I'm back.
	I'm back.
	Alright.
	Things here are, like, crazed, though.
	I just got... Poor Mike.
	We were off the air earlier, and so he, like, threw me in the street, so I have no video today, but we have Comrex, so yay.
	No video?
	No video, but true.
	I'm telling the boys I was all ready for it.
	I have a nice white shirt on for you, ready to go.
	We believe you.
	Uh-huh.
	I'll send you a picture.
	We'll just stick it up on the screen.
	Put the picture of the Jennifer Horne Lincoln Project up.
	Jennifer Horne with the bad hair.
	Every time you go in we get a couple callers.
	I know, I've gotten it before.
	who genuinely confused you.
	Every time you fill in, we get a couple callers.
	A couple callers who think you're that gen horn.
	I know.
	I've gotten it before.
	And then they hear me for about 10 seconds, and they're like, oh.
	Wait a minute.
	Yeah.
	Well, it sucks that she's the only Jennifer Horne that has her own Wikipedia page, so in Google search results, she is the one.
	Well, I'm pretty sure it's why I can't get verified on Twitter.
	It drives me absolutely insane.
	Oh, interesting.
	Makes me crazy.
	Gotta have a Wikipedia page.
	Because she's not verified either.
	Oh, she's not?
	No.
	I think we cancel each other out.
	I think I just got verified on Instagram, didn't I?
	Oh, good for you!
	Check it, have a look.
	Doesn't that little blue thing mean they finally... Let me see.
	Yeah, you're verified!
	Good job!
	Well, not really.
	One of my listeners tried to repost something or whatever, and it said, you cannot like this thing because this is from a source that's unreliable.
	Alright, ten seconds.
	Stand by.
	This is America First, and here's your host, Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Yeah, we are back!
	And we're with a lady who's just so nice to us every single time she comes on the show.
	When I go on her show, she keeps California safe.
	And the host of The Morning Answer on AM 590, AM 870.
	The answer's syndicated at DJVshow on Twitter, and also CRMtalk.com.
	Jennifer Ho, and welcome back.
	Well, hello!
	It's nice to be back.
	I missed you yesterday on my program because I was on a little vacay day.
	I know!
	Did you have a little rest?
	I did, until the phone rang about 8.30 in the morning.
	You know my... which was great because it was... Well, that's already halfway through your work day, 8.30 in the morning.
	My perfect schedule, I have decided naturally, is to stay up till midnight and sleep till about 8.30 or so.
	But I got a few phone calls from our buddy Grant Stinchfield, my co-host, going, where are you?
	Are you coming back yet?
	And now, you know, here I am, back in the saddle, ready to go.
	Well, I'll actually be hosting for him tonight.
	Is that tonight?
	Tonight, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	He's got a big event.
	On Newsmax.
	He's traveling somewhere.
	So, guys, tune in to Newsmax.
	He's coming to town.
	I know.
	Well, somebody's got to work while he's having fun.
	9 p.m.
	Eastern, Stinchfield.
	I'll be hosting on Newsmax.
	But let's talk about California.
	Actually, let's talk about something else before we talk about California.
	Let's talk about what's happening in Virginia.
	The incredible meeting at Loudoun County.
	I just want to play one more cut.
	We've been playing them all afternoon.
	Let's go to cut five.
	Another father.
	The Loudoun County meeting last night.
	Play cut.
	There's also word of a Freedom High School teacher who's been transferred to Belmont Ridge three weeks ago after sexual impropriety with a student.
	It's been learned five years ago, there was yet another sexual assault on a freshman girl at Tuscarora High School, which some on this board covered up.
	Scott, why are you so close to the Commonwealth Attorney?
	It seems like our kids are being used as pawns in some social reform game.
	Scott, why did you have a private, non-employable meeting with the Commonwealth Attorney on October 15th at that fundraising that you and I both attended?
	We witnessed it.
	Why am I still waiting on the page that was missing from the FOIA results on how you plan to spend the $11 million tied to your masking and testing mandates?
	Resign tonight, all of you, and end the mockery you've all brought on this great county.
	Resign tonight.
	Why are school board members having non-FOIAble meetings with other officers in the state?
	Are these stories, are these visible at all?
	Do they resonate in California?
	Or are there analogues?
	Is anything happening at California school board meetings, Jennifer?
	Well, I think there's something that's replicating on the West Coast, just like on the East Coast and everywhere.
	Parents are waking up.
	I think COVID did it.
	I think it was an unintended consequence of the left shutting everything down and fear-mongering everyone home for a year and a half.
	Parents realized what the curriculum was in school and just what is really happening.
	And they're starting to push back.
	But I think there's two things going on here.
	First, you've got people pushing back against curriculum and critical race theory.
	Attorney General Merrick Garland was testifying today about his memo in which he's completely got a conflict of interest.
	He's earning money from critical race theory, or at least his son-in-law is, while he's trying to call parents domestic terrorists if they dare speak out against it.
	I haven't actually mentioned this on the show for those who've missed it.
	So Merrick Garland, who is writing memos about Parents as domestic terrorists because they stand up to CRT and the bigotry that is being taught in our public schools.
	His daughter is married to a man who gets large contracts to teach CRT or to be in some way a propagator of it in our schools.
	So a mild conflict of interest, right Jen?
	Yeah, his son-in-law has made millions off of this curriculum that is the most widespread curriculum that's out there right now for critical race theory.
	So if we take that, that is something where parents are waking up across the country.
	I can tell you in California, I have friends who have never been politically active who are now going to school board meetings.
	And they say what they're hearing from their other moms and dads who are concerned is that they're upset about critical race theory and they're upset about vaccine and mask mandates which are coming to California schools.
	So they're pushing back.
	That's good news.
	Parents should be involved.
	That doesn't make them a domestic terrorist.
	to get involved.
	So that's the good piece of this.
	Loudoun County has something very different going on there.
	Not only do they have curriculum questions, but they have been hiding, it seems, sexual assault and rape, now brutal rape, for a really long time.
	That's even more serious in the interim, and it has to be dealt with.
	The entire school board should resign.
	The fact is that these schools within the system knew about what was happening within the school district.
	The school district knew about it.
	Everybody should go.
	This is not something that you can cover up if your main focus is to provide safety and an education for students.
	They have failed and I think there is not one person that should remain.
	They should do the right thing and leave.
	Well, let's talk about failure elsewhere, not when it comes to schools, but when it comes to residents not feeling safe.
	This is getting some play here on the East Coast.
	Talk to us about what's happening in the marina in San Francisco and people taking measures into their own hands.
	This is so crazy, Seb.
	So this is Nancy Pelosi's district, our great congresswoman.
	Oh, really?
	And in San Francisco, the crime has gotten so bad.
	And we know about this.
	We know the crime has gotten bad.
	There is drug use that is running rampant, homelessness, all of the other crime that comes from defunding the police, which has been done in San Francisco.
	And so what did the community do?
	Well, they decided that they were not going to put up with this anymore.
	And they hired their own security company.
	Now, think about how much it costs people to live in and around San Francisco.
	It's not cheap.
	No.
	It's expensive.
	And you pay a lot in taxes and you expect certain services delivered back to you as a taxpayer.
	They cannot even anticipate that if they call the police that the police will come.
	So they brought in their own private security.
	This is a story That if Republicans were smart, they would take and plaster all over the place.
	That in a city like San Francisco that is Democrat-run, that is led by Nancy Pelosi and her congressional district, that there's failure all around them, and that they're not even able to get the basic services that they pay for when they live there.
	These are the stories of failure and quality of life issues that Republicans need to be wise enough to focus on when we run again in 2022.
	But isn't there, and you know, you've got to do what you've got to do, but isn't there a kind of Downside, a negative aspect of the story, whereby the residents aren't fixing the issue where it needs to be fixed, they're doing, they're paying for the job to be done that isn't being done by their political overlords.
	So it's a kind of, it's a cop-out, isn't it Jen?
	Well, I think so.
	But look, if you need to protect your property, you're going to do what you have to do.
	Now, this is an elitist problem.
	I don't think many of us can afford to bring in our own security, even in our neighborhoods.
	But there are places in Southern California where neighborhoods have gotten together to have a...
	their neighborhood because they feel left behind and what are we getting from uh from our leaders we're getting well we want to get rid of the police we don't want more police we want to send social workers out we don't want to send law enforcement out it's pretty ridiculous and i think a story like this just highlights that but the point i'm making is you're you're taking the heat off of them off of them right because Because they're not doing their job.
	Unless they publicize their failures.
	I mean, look, I think that's the piece of this.
	We use this as public relations, as PR, to get a little attention to some of the failures of the Democrats.
	I think it does kind of work in our favor.
	But you're right.
	Maybe, what do you do?
	You just sit around and wait till you're robbed?
	I don't know.
	I mean, they took the problem into their own hands.
	And I think as long as we keep talking about it, I think they're doing the right thing.
	How's your little revolution going?
	You told us two weeks ago that you're not going to give in to the vaccine mandates that they're demanding.
	Businesses check on their customers.
	Are you holding the line?
	How's it going?
	Yeah, so far so good, but they haven't started checking cards yet in L.A.
	City.
	L.A.
	County is, and by the way, the county says that most people are complying, which is unfortunate.
	I was really hoping more businesses wouldn't.
	But L.A.
	City, their mandates are going to go into effect, I think it is the first week of November.
	And look, I won't go.
	I still stand with businesses like In-N-Out that are taking... Yes, there's a second restaurant, right, that refused already.
	Yeah, and they've closed down their indoor dining because they said that they're not going to discriminate.
	The county won't let them operate in their current capacity.
	So what they're doing is just shutting down indoor dining and just doing drive-thru and outdoor dining.
	And I have a feeling that's what a lot of restaurants are going to do in Southern California, in LA, because luckily we've got nice weather so that if you have some space you can do outdoor dining.
	But there has to be pushback.
	We have to have a little bit of a revolution.
	We can't stop using services.
	We can't just stay home and hide.
	We have to push the hand, force the hand of businesses to stand up and people who are like-minded to stand up.
	It's time to get a little unmasked around here.
	And support In-N-Out Burger, that great suggestion you had last time you were on.
	You can go and buy some, you know, In-N-Out Burger, what do they call them, not vouchers, gift cards.
	And I'll tell you, the next three days, In-N-Out, I just found this out from one of my producers on the morning show, I guess the next three days there's this unofficial drive in Southern California and actually throughout the state of California to support In-N-Out, whether that's in buying food, getting food, maybe handing it to people who might need it, and gift cards.
	Do what you can to support this business because they're one of the few who are fighting back.
	Well, we have millions of listeners across the nation and a lot of them are in California.
	So the next three days, show some extra love for In-N-Out Burger.
	We'll be back with the one and only Jennifer Horne after these messages.
	Can I see cut 12, Sleepy Creepy?
	Twelve.
	Now he doesn't want to talk about Trump anymore.
	Well, I do.
	Talk about an oxymoron, Donald Trump and election integrity?
	I can't believe he put the word Trump and integrity in the same sentence!
	Who's he talking about?
	Junkin?
	Junkin doesn't even talk about Trump.
	He never talks about Trump.
	This is why we don't like him.
	That's a satisfying laugh.
	He spent hours coming up with that one.
	I'll bet.
	For his speech right there.
	Give us 13 Veritas.
	13 Veritas.
	Oh boy.
	Wendy Martinez?
	Yes.
	I'm James O'Keefe at Project Veritas, and you're on hidden camera saying Phil Murphy is going to institute vaccine mandates, but we'll wait until after he's elected.
	This is you on video here.
	The independent deciders would not vote for him if he did the ban.
	Exactly.
	Because he was a tirador.
	No independent, he was undecided.
	The independent deciders would not go for him if he did the band.
	Because they're in two other s***.
	My rights, my s***.
	My rights, my s***.
	So you're effectively saying the independents are, you're going to have to deceive.
	Can I attempt to my card?
	Yeah.
	Somebody just hit my car.
	Did you?
	Someone hit my car.
	Where's the ax?
	Show me.
	Why do we have to lie to voters to get elected?
	I am not going to discuss that.
	You've already discussed it.
	So who is she?
	She works for Governor Murphy?
	She's a senior advisor to the campaign.
	Oh, that's good.
	I think we might have to show that with Jen.
	Someone just got into it.
	By the way, Grant's 8.
	He's 8, not 9.
	He's 8!
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	He's 9.
	Oh yeah, he's at 8.
	Pellegrino.
	Pellegrino, that's right.
	That's right, that's right.
	Guys, you didn't have my back.
	You failed.
	Those 93 million people are not getting vaccinated for the most part.
	- Katie Corrig, nine. - But enough of that. - But enough of that.
	Okay, nine, play nine. - Those 93 million people are not getting vaccinated for the most part.
	My concern would be you may allow a variant that we haven't even recognized yet to come along and in fact be better at transmitting and more serious than the Delta.
	We haven't seen that yet.
	So rather than be worrying about- I'm sure it's coming.
	We haven't seen that, but let me scare you, because that's my job!
	Yeah, I'm sure it is coming.
	Wow.
	Didn't he do an experiment on fear?
	Let's talk about that.
	He sounds like a fake doctor.
	He does.
	He is a fake doctor.
	Yeah, his voice sounds like they put him in some sort of movie or something, and he's supposed to be the bad guy doctor.
	And Joe Biden now talks to people like they're a deaf aunt.
	Have you noticed that?
	A deaf aunt?
	Like he's your deaf aunt.
	Oh, you mean aunt.
	Hard of hearing.
	Hard of hearing aunt.
	Who are you yelling at?
	Tomato, tomato.
	English comes from, comes from, finish the sentence.
	I don't want to say it.
	Comes from England.
	England.
	England.
	I don't know.
	Fact checkers say this is partly false.
	It's missing context.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You get two Pinocchios.
	It's a far-right conspiracy theory.
	Do you know what the Pink Panther said when he stepped on an ant?
	And with that, we're coming into the next segment.
	That is an old one.
	All right, stand by.
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	I haven't even discussed this on the show yet, not even yesterday, but wouldn't it be a little bit ironic, Jennifer Horne, if people finally, finally had had enough of that little fascist Fauci, not because of masks, not because of vaccines, not because of boosters, but because of beagle puppies.
	Oh, it's awful, isn't it?
	This story is insane.
	And look, I love animals.
	I think you love animals.
	You've got dogs.
	I love dogs.
	Oh my gosh.
	But I love all animals.
	I think that animal testing, if you're testing out something that maybe could save human life, maybe there's an argument for that.
	But to do what Dr. Fauci is accused of, which is literally torturous of dogs and of monkeys and of all... To the tune of what, $412,000?
	Oh, my goodness.
	I mean, it makes my heart hurt.
	Like, at what cost?
	And, you know, I was going through this because I was on vacation for a few days, I told you, and so I was kind of catching up yesterday and I was reading the story.
	Tell me if it didn't just sit in this, like, the pit of your stomach when you read this.
	Yeah.
	But forget the beagle testing for a second, which was horrific and awful.
	But he was also testing monkeys to test their reaction to fear.
	Did you read into this?
	I stopped reading when the phrase... I'm not squeamish, but I do love my dogs when they said all of the puppies, all of the dogs, were subjected to a chordectomy.
	Before they were experimented on, they snipped the vocal cords so they couldn't even yelp.
	So that was enough for me, but tell us about the monkeys, Jen.
	So he did this test on monkeys and it was all about fear.
	He would torture them with rubber spiders, mechanical snakes, objects that they instinctively fear to observe their reactions.
	And I don't know why, obviously everything is so gruesome, but that really bothered me because what is motivating all of this, of these restrictions, all of this around the coronavirus?
	It's all about fear.
	Are we the human experiment?
	of Dr. Fauci.
	Is this really about testing how far you can push human beings?
	How much they can take if there is fear?
	If you shut them off?
	I mean, think about what's happened to us or the people who let this happen to them anyway.
	It didn't happen to you, Seb.
	It didn't happen to me.
	But to the people who allowed this to happen, they didn't see their friends and family for a year and a half.
	Their families died without them in the hospital because they couldn't be together because of COVID restrictions.
	They kept their kids home from school.
	They wouldn't go to work.
	They were afraid to go to the grocery store.
	Think about all of the stuff that's happened.
	Doesn't it feel like a gruesome, brutal experiment that was conducted on human beings?
	And he's not stopping.
	He's doubling down.
	This is Fauci with Katie Couric who's just, he's giving us more, more fear-mongering and now he's blaming it on the unvaccinated.
	Cut nine.
	Those 93 million people are not getting vaccinated for the most part.
	My concern would be you may allow a variant that we haven't even recognized yet to come along and, in fact, be better at transmitting and more serious than the Delta.
	We haven't seen that yet.
	So rather than be worrying about these others that are around, let's make sure we don't let new ones come in.
	Well, are unvaccinated people the reason we're seeing these new strains?
	And will an increase in vaccinations mitigate the virus morphing in multiple ways?
	Well, that's a good one because the answer is short, yes.
	And she's laughing.
	She's laughing on camera.
	There's no way to know that.
	To blame the unvaccinated for new strains we haven't even seen yet.
	That's probably the most reprehensible thing he's done so far.
	Well, and they don't even know if new strains come out, if the vaccine will even work.
	I mean, don't forget, these vaccines were customized for the Alpha, for the first COVID variant.
	That's why you're still seeing breakthrough cases from the Delta variant, because it's a different, the virus is changing, like viruses will change.
	Look, what's creepy about this is that he says there's another one out there that we don't even know about.
	Well, I believe that he probably does because he knows all about COVID.
	He's the one who was testing on it.
	He's playing coy like he doesn't know what comes next.
	But am I alone here when I think he absolutely does know what comes next?
	And if he's Telling people that it's the vaccine... I mean, what's happening right now with the vaccinated and the unvaccinated is so ridiculous because you've got people who are on the vaccinated side who just think the unvaxxed are stupid because they're asking a question.
	I think it's stupid when people go along like a bunch of sheep and don't.
	How do we get back to human curiosity here?
	I remember those bumper stickers the Democrats used to love a few years ago, not too long ago, that said, dissent is the ultimate form of patriotism.
	Do you remember those, Jen?
	I do remember that.
	Those days are gone though, aren't they?
	Not only that, we are living in Orwellian times.
	This is from Hannah Blue at Breitbart.
	This is the latest.
	It's not just Fauci, it's the institutions that employ him and his fear-mongering colleagues.
	The NIH, Jen, has erased its website section on gain of function.
	Isn't that a little bit suspicious?
	Yeah, I think it's absolutely suspicious.
	And when something doesn't work out in your favor, you change the definition, right?
	You change the rules of the game.
	So they'll change the definition of gain of function so that Dr. Fauci wasn't lying under oath.
	I fully believe that'll happen.
	I think that we need to get with it really fast.
	We have a guy who has given us all of the testimony, all of the information.
	There is a paper trail of information about his gain-of-function research.
	There are checks written to the EcoHealth Alliance.
	The people at Red State, our colleagues there, Seb, have done such an incredible Right.
	Millions.
	reporting on this.
	Jennifer Van Laar has been on top of it.
	She's she's provided the receipts of everything that is available about Dr. Fauci, knowing exactly what was going on with this virus and how it got out.
	Millions and millions of our taxpayer dollars, gain of function research funded through a cutout to the Chinese government lab.
	But it may be the puppies that bring him down.
	It can't happen soon enough.
	Follow this lady at Jennifer Horn.
	Also, CRNtalk.com and also at DJVshow.
	God bless you, Jen.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
	This is America First.
	If only we had a curious news media.
	That would be the day.
	Sounds like you've had that journalist on your show.
	Oh, Jennifer Van Laar is great.
	She was actually on with me one day when I filled in for you a long time ago.
	Oh, okay.
	But she has all of this stuff.
	Rand Paul is absolutely right.
	He's been saying this for a while.
	All right, my dear.
	All right, you guys.
	Thank you so much.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Have a good rest of the week.
	Thank you, too.
	Thank you.
	Bye-bye.
	All right.
	Yeah, I don't think cutting puppies vocal cords out and then torturing them to death is, uh, not a winner.
	I don't think you can spin zone that one.
	Head of PETA was on Tucker last night.
	Huh?
	Head of PETA was on Tucker last night and said Fauci should be fired.
	Are we ringing this guy or is he ringing us?
	Yeah, but there's like four, do you want me to do it now?
	No, no, no, no.
	- I've got three minutes.
	Have they tried to defend that at all?
	Or just say it didn't happen?
	The Washington Post tried to.
	Dana Milbank wrote an incredible piece to try and protect Fauci.
	Wow.
	It's a tall order.
	Well, we'll still try it.
	He's not very tall.
	He's very short.
	It's a short order.
	He's a kid-sized order.
	Let's ask him.
	I wonder if he's going to burn in hell.
	I hope so.
	I was talking about Milbank.
	Oh, the Carney people.
	I'm trying to remember why Chris hates him so much.
	I know why.
	He wrote a story about him.
	He did a heritage thing and he totally lied about what Chris said.
	I remember this because I was in my car.
	It was like 9.30 and he started destroying them and I had to go into somewhere and I got out at 10.30 and he's still talking about them and he's like, and I'm not done with Dana Milbank.
	He literally did like an hour and a half.
	So Chris did something at Heritage and then Dana misrepresented it.
	Yeah, they wrote about it.
	It was something how they said it was anti-Muslim or something.
	I forget what it was.
	Crazy.
	It's not a Muslim, it's just a fun excuse.
	It's been the wheel of what you're defending.
	Yeah, he has a real mission to take him down. - Thank you.
	Hey, is this mic?
	Okay, I'll turn the mics off.
	Hey, it's Jeff with Sebastian Gork.
	How are you?
	Thank you.
	This is America First with Sebastian Gorka.
	It's called Foggy Bottom, you know what that is?
	It's D.C.
	speak for the State Department where it's located.
	And a bit of news coming out of there, number one, they're so proud!
	They're just about to issue the first American passports that have male, female, and...
	And I'm confused, Box.
	Yes, the X-Box.
	It's not a video game.
	It's a pandering to unreality.
	I, you know, I have a piece of advice for other nations, normal nations that believe in the truth.
	If an American comes with a passport that has X instead of male or female, don't let them into the country because they don't live in the real world.
	Tell them to go and visit Mars instead.
	The other news is the State Department They found more Americans in Afghanistan.
	I thought they'd all left.
	Seriously, let's talk about the tragedy that is that Central Asian nation that we surrendered, that Biden surrendered to the extremists, to the Taliban that harbored al-Qaeda before 9-11.
	We've been approached by the Patriots at Project Exodus Relief and its founder is joining us right now.
	Let's talk to Mike Edwards.
	Mike, welcome to America First.
	Thank you, sir.
	Thanks for having me.
	So tell us, what is Project Exodus Relief, and what have you done in the last two months?
	We've got a bunch of retired soft guys.
	We have different government contractors that are working with us as well, and people from different agencies.
	We brought it all together in a big team that we are working with.
	EVAC is many American citizens and Afghan soft partners that we can out of Afghanistan.
	It's been a struggle.
	The last two months things have moved kind of slow.
	Getting funding is one thing, and then getting people on a flight is another thing.
	And certain people in different cases have different hurdles that come with them.
	Like, for example, a lot of the Afghan soft guys are specifically being hunted by the Taliban.
	So the Afghan Special Operations Forces, do they all want to leave Afghanistan now the Taliban are in control, Mike?
	All the ones that we've talked to have, and I'm getting new ones added to our list every single day.
	How many have you managed to relocate so far?
	How's it gone and what are the biggest obstacles?
	All total with the network that I have, we've gotten out over a thousand people so far.
	The biggest obstacle now is trying to get funding for our own planes or trying to get people manifested on some of these State Department aircraft that are being flown in.
	And that's been a hurdle in and of itself.
	We still have American citizens and other LPRs and stuff like that on our list that haven't been reached out to by the government.
	So we're their only point of contact.
	So we're working diligently to try to get them manifested and then try to gain funding to keep feeding these people, keeping them housed and keeping them out of the grips of the Taliban.
	We have had a good friend of mine, former Air Force Special Operator on, who has been bringing hundreds and hundreds of Afghans, Americans, SIVs, green card holders out of that nation.
	And he has said one of the biggest obstacles is the American government, especially the State Department.
	Have you had problems with getting requisite cooperation from our own government, Mike?
	We've tried to reach out to them.
	There are representatives that we talked to within the State Department, and they've been helpful.
	But ultimately, we've been getting mixed signals.
	I mean, we've not been able to get anything definitive, and we wish that they would work with us and reach out to us.
	And we've got a good system and a good network of people.
	We can definitely move a lot more people with their assistance, for sure.
	And when you hear government officials here in Washington say, all the Americans have gone, there's nobody there who wants to leave, what's your response?
	We do know that's not the case.
	There's been a lot of Americans in there for a long time.
	The number's gotten smaller, but there's still a good many left over in Afghanistan.
	How can our listeners support your efforts, Mike?
	If they want to check us out at blog.projectexodusrelief.com, that's our main site.
	And they can go there, they can donate, they can contribute, or offer any other assistance they can.
	And we just wish that our government officials would help us out.
	We've been reaching out to some of them.
	A lot of them have been very helpful.
	And we just want to make this a nonpartisan issue.
	We're not partisan.
	We're not politicians.
	We're just here to save these people.
	We've got all these different people, ethnic minorities, Afghans off.
	There's lots of Christians.
	A lot of people may not realize that Afghanistan is the second fastest growing Christian community as well.
	And we just want to save these people.
	We got a bunch of good people on the team.
	And we just want to get them out so we can go back to our own lives and start living them as we were before.
	It's tragic.
	Every week since the fall of Kabul I've been receiving DMs, messages from people trapped in Afghanistan who are asking for help.
	I forward them to the people that I can forward them to, but please support this man and his team.
	He's doing the Lord's work.
	That's blog.proexodusrelief.com to support their mission to help Americans and those who are allies.
	That's blog.proexodusrelief.com.
	God bless you, Mike.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	Americans are still trapped in Afghanistan.
	Okay, and horn.
	Yep.
	Um... The one you gave me is... It's open-ended, yeah.
	Um, but... I don't think it's a bad title.
	for Clavin?
	Oh!
	Um, the one you gave me is, it's open-ended, yeah, but I don't think it's a bad time.
	The first ever guest of America First.
	You know, he was.
	Oh.
	I guess that is true.
	He was?
	I mean, I wouldn't know.
	I take Jeff's word for it.
	You know who number two?
	Look.
	Bachelor.
	Oh, of course.
	My favorite.
	You know who's number three?
	Who?
	Sheriff Adam Christensen.
	Who's that?
	Who's that?
	That was that, remember that guy who was the police officer who was shot in California?
	Oh, um.
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	One minute.
	Yeah.
	Hey, Alfredo.
	Hey, Seb!
	How are you?
	Good, good.
	How's it going?
	Oh, man.
	It's going.
	We're getting busy.
	We're, uh, rockin' and rollin', gearing up for the big suit.
	All right.
	Stand by.
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	On the side of the U.S.
	Constitution, America first.
	We talk politics here.
	We talk culture war.
	But there's also a war against the lifeblood of America.
	And that's our small businesses.
	More than 30 million of them who employ more than 60 million Americans.
	That is the heart of our nation.
	After a year and a half of lockdowns, mandates, they're still piling on small businesses.
	There's going to be a tax increase, more mandates.
	What are we going to do about it?
	There's one organization that's fighting back.
	It is the Job Creators Network.
	Check them out.
	Join their team at jobcreatorsnetwork.com.
	But let's talk to the big boss at JCN.
	He's with us right now.
	Alfredo Ortiz, welcome back to America First.
	Sir, thank you so much for having me back.
	So I don't feel good.
	I got a bad feeling about it.
	I think Manchin, Sinema are going to cave.
	Is this abortion of a bill going to go through?
	What's the latest JCN prognostication?
	Well, so the prognostication is something's going to go through because you can only imagine what the regressives on the left would be doing, the conniptions they'd be throwing if nothing went through.
	Uh, my guess is probably going to hover in at about a trillion dollars, which I can't even believe we're just throwing numbers around like this, like monopoly money.
	So what does this mean?
	Talk to us about the ramifications.
	It's not just deepening the culture of dependence, all the pork for the Democrats like Nancy Pelosi's district.
	What is the potential effect going to be on the outrage?
	I mean, we already have.
	What is it?
	14% increase in the price of diapers.
	You look at lumber, you look at gas up to $7 in some parts of California.
	What is the knock-on inflationary effect going to be if this bill finally makes it through?
	Well, I mean, first of all, all the polls are saying that this is one of the top issues now that all Americans are facing.
	I just saw a Fox News poll, for example, that said that 70% of Americans say they're facing increased hardship buying food, and 70% are finding a hardship buying gap.
	Almost 90% of registered voters are saying they're extremely or very concerned about inflation.
	We ourselves did a Job Creators Network Foundation, a monthly monitor poll that we've been doing this year, and it shows that inflation is the biggest concern that is confronting small business owners right now.
	And that's on top of the supply chain issues.
	That's on top of the mandate issues, both on the vaccine side and the mask mandate side.
	I mean, it's just been one thing after another, after another, being piled on to these small businesses.
	And we just have to give them some relief.
	Now, of course, the vaccine mandate, which we have already announced we're going to sue against the Biden administration and OSHA the moment it comes out.
	So that's another one they're facing.
	Tell us about that plan.
	What is your plan?
	Give us the strategy.
	Well, you know, Seb, we take great exception with the way President Biden and the administration have been trying to portray this to the American public as a vaccine mandate only for this country's largest employers.
	And I don't know about you, Seb, but when I hear largest employers in this country, I'm thinking Coca-Cola, Delta, Wells Fargo, Chase Manhattan, right?
	I'm not thinking of Bob and Joe's, you know, manufacturing in Sioux City, Iowa.
	And those are the people that are going to be really hit because 500 or less is considered a small business, and this mandate is for 100 or more.
	So let's be real, let's be honest, Joe, and tell the American public that this is going to impact not only the largest businesses, but also the lifeblood of our country of small businesses, on top of the labor shortage.
	Can you explain, I've done this before for you in prior years, but it's something that bears repeating again and again and again.
	You know, people think business, and for some reason many people think of exactly those companies, the Coca-Cola's, the IBM's, the Google's, whatever.
	But when it comes to the real meat and potatoes of the economy, I mean, small businesses, I mean, that's where it's at, isn't it?
	When you look at numbers employed, the diversity of companies, this isn't a small part of the economy, it is the economy.
	It absolutely is.
	And I'll have to tell you, you know, what are the largest now percentage of small business owners in this country?
	It's the minority population.
	Blacks, Hispanic, Asian, right?
	I mean, they're the largest now percentage of small business owners in this country.
	And remember that two-thirds of new job growth said is in the hands of small businesses.
	And so, you know, if our small business stop hiring, we're going to see a massive, massive downward shift on employment.
	And, you know, we're already calling stagflation, even though, you know, people are barely starting to throw that term around.
	Stagflation, of course, means slow economic growth and joblessness while also experiencing increasing inflation.
	And we're seeing that right now.
	In fact, we're seeing real wage cuts because inflation is growing faster than the wage increases.
	So President Trump brought us tax cuts, and President Biden is bringing us wage cuts.
	Incredible.
	Well, you met with his administration last week with the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs to discuss the vaccine mandates.
	How did that meeting go, Alfredo?
	Well, you know, I think they enjoyed my statement, but especially I'm sure they enjoyed the last paragraph that basically said that if none of this moves you, Be on notice that we're going to be suing you.
	So, you know, but look, I mean, somebody's got to defend our small businesses in this country.
	You know, the Chamber has pretty much walked from small businesses altogether.
	And so, you know, we need this kind of battle for our small businesses.
	I mean, again, and we've said this before, Jeff, that two-thirds, again, of new jobs are in the hands of these small businesses, right?
	And then if you look at our communities, Who funds the Little League, for example, that you see on the Saturday?
	You think it's Coca-Cola?
	It's not Coca-Cola.
	Where I live, it's the local pizza house.
	Yes, exactly.
	They're the ones that sponsor our communities and keep our communities going.
	That's why we need to fight for them the way we are.
	Tell us, you guys have been on the road.
	How has the JCN bus tour been going?
	What's the latest?
	Oh, it's great.
	I'm actually wrapping up in North Carolina on the 9th of November.
	So, you know, it's just been going really well.
	But I have to tell you, the feedback and input is so consistent.
	I'll have to tell you that every small business that we've been talking to that's in that over 100 range, just, you know, slightly over 100, less than 200 range, they're all basically saying that 35 to 40% of the workforce will not take that mandate and will leave their jobs.
	Now, can you imagine if you're a manufacturing facility somewhere, like I said, in Sioux City, Iowa, you have 150 people, and a third of your workforce walks away?
	You shut down.
	I mean, there's no way that they can take these kinds of hits, especially on top of everything else that's going on.
	Again, that's why we're doing this tour.
	That's why we're fighting the way we're doing.
	You know, we've had great conversations with the ranking members of the Republican side on both the House and Senate subcommittees on small business.
	And look, we've just got to keep on fighting, Seb.
	Yeah.
	Well, you're the tip of the spear ever.
	Everybody who cares about this nation, if you're a small business owner, if you work for a small business, support this organization.
	Become part of their team.
	They'll train you up to be an advocate for small business.
	Go today.
	They're fighting for you.
	They're fighting for America.
	That's JobCreatorsNetwork.com.
	Become an advocate for the people that keep America alive.
	That's thejobcreatorsnetwork.com.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Oh, Duterte, yeah?
	Yeah.
	What'd he do?
	He said, to prevent vaccine hesitancy, this is classic, vaccinate people in their sleep.
	Is he saying that, like, seriously or is it a joke?
	Of course!
	The guy doesn't have a sense of humor.
	I was gonna say, with that guy, I never know anymore.
	Oh, man.
	That is funny.
	They're gonna sneak into your house.
	They're gonna jab you!
	In the middle of the night.
	You won't even feel it.
	He took the war on drugs to a whole new level.
	Oh yeah.
	That's a really messed up tooth fairy.
	Sounds like a great plot for a horror movie.
	It does.
	A strange plot for a horror movie, but... I mean, these days horror movies are, you know, either just cheap dime-a-dozen knockoffs of past great movies or the 20th Halloween sequel.
	It could be like a thriller where somebody injects you with some disease in the middle of the night.
	That is strange.
	I do love people looking back at movies about pandemics, like Contagion, and be like, oh, this predicted coronavirus.
	I'm just like, OK.
	Come in with cut one.
	Cut one.
	OK, cut one.
	I'm going to do a disclaimer.
	Oh, there's a school board.
	Come on right in with that.
	We've got 20 seconds left to go.
	Standing by.
	All right.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye-bye.
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	I am asking you guys, if you have any shred of decency, to go ahead and vote to remove from the NSBA.
	I'm also going to ask for all of your guys' resignations.
	On top of that, I'm also going to ask for the resignation of the State Superintendent, Jayme F. Lane and Viola Garisa, who also set up to send a letter to the NSBA trying to stop us parents from going forward.
	I have three children in this district, okay?
	My oldest goes with her friends and they do buddy trips to the bathroom.
	This is what you have caused through your lack of inaction and protection.
	Disgusted with all of you.
	Why are they still in office?
	How long is it going to take for them to flipping resign?
	Loudoun County meeting last night, again a mother talking about why her daughter has to take buddy trips to the restroom just to make sure that she's not raped by some guy in a skirt, which happened not once but twice and the Loudoun County covered it up.
	Let's talk to somebody else who's getting to the bottom of liars and prevaricators and people who are just trying to con the American populace.
	There is a lady called Wendy Martinez who works for the governor of New Jersey, Murphy.
	What does our caller call him?
	Mussolini Murphy or something?
	Anyway, you know who you are.
	Well, you know, James O'Keefe cornered her because they, you got to pay attention, they caught on a hidden camera in Spanish lying about the vaccine mandate saying we're not going to talk till after the election, because the independents won't vote for Murphy.
	Here is the latest from Project Veritas, Cut 13.
	Wendy Martinez?
	Yes.
	I'm James O'Keefe with Project Veritas, and you're on hidden camera saying Phil Murphy is going to institute vaccine mandates, but we'll wait until after he's elected.
	This is you on video here.
	He's going to do it, but he can't do it before the election.
	Exactly.
	Because he's going to do it.
	The independent and the undecided.
	The independent decided to not vote for him if he did the vandal.
	Because they're into all that s***.
	My rights, my s***.
	My rights, my sh**.
	So you're effectively saying the independents are, uh, you're gonna have to deceive... Somebody just hit my car.
	I just got into a car accident.
	Uh, did you?
	Someone hit my car.
	Where's the ax?
	Show me.
	Why do we have to lie to voters to get elected?
	I am not going to discuss that.
	You've already discussed it.
	She's in a parking garage.
	She was in a car accident with an invisible car, I guess, that we didn't see hit her car because it didn't hit her car.
	But here's the point.
	She said the independents on the hidden camera are into that... I can't say it on radio.
	They're into that independents my right beep.
	My rights.
	That's what they think of you!
	That your rights are garbage!
	That's what they think of you.
	Every day, you get another little peek behind the curtain.
	Next, a man who's fighting for the truth to defend the indefensible, the most vulnerable in our society, the unborn, Father Frank Pavone.
	And don't forget, tonight, 8 o'clock, Newsmax, I'll be hosting Stinchfield.
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	Thank you.
	And we are fighting for those who have no voice And we will win because we know how to win.
	A historic moment, the first incumbent president in the history of our republic who actually addressed in person the March for Life.
	And right there, that cut is really the only one that matters.
	Why?
	As a wise man once said, a civilization is measured By how it treats the most vulnerable in that civilization, whether it is the aged or whether it is the unborn.
	And given that metric...
	We're not doing well.
	However, the news of late could be witness to a turning tide.
	No one better to discuss.
	He's a good friend of America First.
	Now it's one-on-one.
	He's in the swamp.
	He's in studio.
	He is the director of Priests for Life.
	Father Frank Pavone, welcome in studio.
	Oh boy, it's a joy to be here, Seb.
	Thank you so much.
	I want to introduce everyone who doesn't know who you are or what your organization does, who's maybe tuned in for the first time to understand all the work that you've done and you're doing every single day.
	We'll get to you, the man, momentarily, but let's just roll with that cut.
	What does it mean to you?
	What does it mean to America?
	What does it mean to the Christian world to have an incumbent president Address the March for Life.
	You know, Seb, we dreamt about this back... I remember going to the March for Life and my first one was the third one, 1976.
	Wow!
	You were like two years old, right?
	But, you know, I remember, you know, through the Reagan years, you know, he would call in by phone and say, hey, Nellie Gray and the marchers, how you doing?
	And we would stand there literally saying, hey, the White House isn't far from here.
	Can you imagine if the president came?
	And like for decades, that was like our dream.
	What it does is it gives a new level of I mean, the movement is legitimate.
	It stands on its own, obviously.
	But for a president to be there, says to America, this movement has come far.
	It has come far, it has an impact, and it's shaping the nation.
	And we were all so encouraged.
	As a matter of fact, let me back up and just say, you know, President Donald Trump, and of course you were privileged to work for him, I served on his advisory commissions, both campaigns.
	And in the second one, I was national co-chair of what he called Pro-Life Voices for Trump.
	I was so proud to do that.
	And I was told during the first campaign, if he's elected, he'll do everything that past pro-life presidents have done and more.
	And those words and more echoed through my mind during all the four years of his presidency because he proved them true every day.
	He didn't just address the March for Life, he came in person.
	He didn't just reinstitute the Mexico City policy, he expanded it to cover more government programs.
	And on and on it goes.
	I remember Mick Mulvaney telling us that one of the State of the Union addresses, you know, he was going over it, and he saw the pro-life section, and he took his pen and he started writing, not to take things out, but to add more things in!
	And just the way he talked about the issue.
	I mean, policy is one thing.
	He did tremendous things with policy.
	But the way you talk about this issue, especially, is what really connected him with a lot of the American people right from square one.
	You remember that third debate with Hillary Clinton?
	No.
	They ripped the babies from the womb in the ninth month.
	That might be okay with you, but it's not okay with me.
	And people are listening to that and saying, hey, that's the way I talk about this around my kitchen table, you know, and with my friends, you know.
	I cannot say enough about what he did for our movement.
	I was there with my wife.
	It was a little bit of a brisk, brisk morning here in D.C., but just to see him there, it just energized... I don't know how many people were there.
	A lot of people.
	And gave us faith that, you know, this diabolical threat To everything we hold sacred can be defeated.
	We'll talk about how truly diabolical it is.
	We're talking to the director of Priests for Life, Fr.
	Frank Pavone.
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	Frank Pavone.
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	Frank Pavone.
	Tell our millions of listeners a little bit, because we don't usually have this luxury of so much time to talk to you.
	Who is Frank Pavone?
	Where does he hail from?
	How did he become a Catholic priest?
	And how did he end up as director for Priests for Life?
	Well, I'm from the town of Portchester, New York, just north of New York City, and I went to public schools, but I felt a calling to the priesthood when I was in my senior year of high school, and it was at that very same time that I felt a new interest.
	I felt an interest in the pro-life movement.
	I was kind of discovering the whole abortion issue, because our town had a bus going to the March for Life.
	So I went as a high school senior.
	Was it a religious family, your family?
	You know, we went to church on Sunday, but nothing beyond that.
	So we weren't really deeply involved in the church.
	But during that year, something happened.
	You know, God's grace worked on me, and I got a desire to start going to Mass every day, to become an altar server.
	I had never done that before.
	And read the Scriptures more, pray more.
	A whole thing happened during that year.
	And so I went into the seminary right after high school.
	- Wow. - And I went with the Salesians at first.
	Then I took some time off after I graduated their college seminary.
	And then I went back into seminary with the New York Archdiocese under Cardinal O'Connor at the time.
	And you see God's providence.
	For him, abortion was the number one issue.
	And so that fanned the flames that had already started burning within me about protecting the unborn and about how this issue was the most fundamental moral challenge that we have.
	So I went through seminary, got ordained by Cardinal O'Connor.
	He sent me to Staten Island and a large parish there.
	After four or five years of ministry in the parish, which I loved, I came to the conviction I had to devote myself full-time to this issue.
	How did you make that happen?
	How did you engineer that?
	As a priest, I had to ask permission of the cardinal.
	And again, because it was such a passion of his, he didn't need any convincing about how important it was.
	How old were you at this point?
	I was at that point, oh, what was I?
	I was ordained at 29, so I was like 33.
	And you know, here's the fascinating thing that happened.
	He had started the Sisters of Life.
	So here's a religious congregation of women devoted to pro-life.
	And that started to get me thinking, there should be something like this for priests.
	And lo and behold, I found out that a priest in California had the same idea, because his mom, who was a widow, joined the Sisters of Life.
	Okay.
	So now the Cardinal was making all these connections, and before I went to see him to ask permission to do pro-life work full-time, this same priest from California calls me, And he says, I'm going into military chaplaincy and I need somebody to head this new organization, Priests for Life.
	Are you interested?
	So I said, wow, what timing this is!
	I'm just about to ask the Cardinal if I can do this full-time.
	The Cardinal gave me permission.
	This was 1993.
	And so I became the first full-time director of this new organization.
	And I've been doing it ever since.
	Tell us about Priests for Life.
	This is priestsforlife.org.
	What's the mission?
	When the rubber meets the road, what are you actually doing?
	Yes, we are mobilizing the churches to fight abortion.
	And not only the churches as institutions, but all believers beyond just the institution.
	And to understand what we do, I've got to go back to the guy who started the abortion industry in America, Bernard Nathanson, whom I knew personally.
	Really?
	Yeah, I did.
	I could tell you some stories about him.
	But he was, you know, the biggest abortionist in America and he eventually became pro-life and eventually became a Catholic.
	He was an atheist slash agnostic.
	But then he saw the evil of what he was doing.
	Yes, he did.
	He did.
	Even before he got the gift of faith.
	So why do I go back to Nathanson?
	He outlined the strategy that he and his colleagues used to launch the abortion industry, and they had what they called a Catholic strategy.
	And they said, we're going to catch the church asleep.
	We're going to take a gamble, but if the clergy are meek and silent, We can get away with this.
	And then they started sending out all these false numbers.
	In fact, you still hear them today.
	The numbers about, oh, you know, 10,000 women were dying from illegal abortion every year.
	That was nonsense.
	There was nothing anywhere near that.
	So he said, once he became pro-life, I got to know him.
	He started talking to groups of clergy.
	He said, and I'll quote him exactly.
	Referring to him and his colleagues starting the abortion industry, he said, we would have never gotten away with what we did if you, that is the Catholic priests, had been united, purposeful, and strong.
	Whoa.
	And he said, we stole the issue from you, he said.
	So your goal is to address that.
	So we, that's right, Priests for Life helps the clergy to be more united, purposeful, and strong in fighting abortion.
	But, I hasten to say, we're not just for priests.
	It's Priests for Life.
	But a priest ministers to all the people, right?
	Minister to the whole pro-life movement.
	We educate.
	We broadcast.
	We travel and speak in churches and we do seminars.
	We have strategy meetings with pro-life leaders.
	We lead abortion prayer vigils at the abortion clinics.
	All this activity.
	We help pregnancy centers.
	We train pregnancy center workers.
	And we have a very large ministry, again a very appropriate for priests, of healing the wounds of abortion.
	Well, you know, it is an overused phrase, but in this case, it couldn't be more apt.
	You literally are doing the Lord's work.
	We're talking to the National Director of Priests for Life.
	That's priestsforlife.org.
	Please support this organization.
	His name is Father Frank Pavone.
	Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Can we stop a little?
	You know my background.
	I've spent decades teaching the military.
	When you look at a threat, you do an estimate of the situation.
	You take a snapshot of the environment and you say, OK, what are their strengths?
	What are our strengths?
	What are their weaknesses?
	What are our weaknesses?
	How do we defeat the threat?
	Will you discuss a little bit This strategy for the Catholics, this Bernard Nathanson, the industry of mass murder, which is abortion.
	What was, can you tell us, what was so effective about their approach and their plan?
	You said they caught the Catholic Church snoozing.
	What was the narrative that they sold?
	It was, you know, we hear the word choice, but it was a little bit more sophisticated than that.
	Yes, yes.
	Well, he did craft this term, pro-choice.
	Let's not say we're pro-abortion, let's say we're pro-choice.
	But more specifically, he said, let's say to the media that the Catholics don't agree with what the hierarchy is saying about abortion.
	Let's create this division, and let's make it appear as though those who do agree with the Church's teaching on abortion are out of touch, they're old-fashioned, they're against women, they're in the minority.
	And they literally began inventing polls, inventing statistics, and because they had so, as it's still true today, had so many friends in the media, they just took it and ran with it.
	Nobody questioned it.
	And that's where they succeeded.
	And you create this rift.
	And paint the opposition to abortion as just a religious issue.
	Some of them still try to do that today, although it's harder to do it today because of the advances in science.
	But divide the clergy from the laity and send out these false polls and then just paint it as a religious issue and say, oh, well, you know, you can't impose your religious beliefs on everybody else.
	Well, it's also a religious teaching that you can't steal and you can't kill.
	What are we going to say?
	Hey, I'm not Catholic, so I can kill.
	Right.
	Will you give us... How bad is it?
	What are we talking about?
	This is truly an industry of death.
	Will you talk to the reality of modern abortion?
	Yes, yes.
	Well, you know, Seb, what I always say to people who are arguing with me about abortion, I say, you think you have an opinion on abortion?
	Let me just ask you one question.
	Have you ever seen one?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Now, we have a website, lookatabortion.org.
	Now, this I think is where we have to have as the starting point.
	People want to know why we're so worked up about this issue.
	Some people say we put too much attention on it, etc., etc.
	Wait a minute.
	Have you ever seen one?
	As a matter of fact, and I always challenge the Democrats about this, describe Yeah.
	defend.
	Yeah.
	They're not afraid to defend it.
	Pelosi, Biden, the whole bunch.
	But tell us what it is.
	Tell us what it is.
	Just define your terms.
	As a matter of fact, we did a great, this was a lot of fun.
	We went into Congress.
	We did this a number of times.
	Our team at Priests for Life, we would go into the offices of some of the most pro-abortion members of Congress.
	We did this when Obama and Hillary Clinton were still in the Senate.
	And we would go in there, and we would have these medical diagrams of abortion, with the medical description from both the textbooks and from the testimonies of the abortionists at times when they would have to go testify in court.
	So how the implements are used, the actual dismemberment of the embryo, the medical... The medical term!
	And that word, dismemberment, and also the word decapitation, are actually used in the medical textbooks.
	Because that's what they're doing.
	That's what they're doing, right?
	So we would go into these offices, we'd sit down, and we'd, you know, we'd get the head legislative, you know, director.
	Liaison.
	Liaison, yeah.
	And we'd say, okay, so we're not here to advocate, you know, against abortion, or about Roe v. Wade, we're just here to ask one question.
	And then we would read the description.
	The doctor takes the forceps and pulls the leg off, pulls the arm off.
	And then we would ask this question.
	When the senator uses the word abortion, is this what he means?
	Wow.
	You wouldn't believe the reaction of these people.
	They'd be sitting there and saying, uh, well, you know, I don't know.
	I would have to ask the Senator.
	And then I would say, you mean to tell me you're the one in charge of how the Senator deals with abortion and you can't even tell me what he means by the word?
	And this shows that in America right now, We are pretending, very often, we are pretending to have a debate on abortion.
	We're really not debating abortion.
	When Pelosi gets up there and says, oh, let's pass this, you know, Women's Health Protection Act like they did a few weeks ago, the most extreme abortion bill they've ever passed.
	It was like, you know, OK, you're not talking about abortion, are you?
	You're talking about constitutional rights, health care, women's freedoms.
	We're in favor of health care and women's freedom and their rights.
	But we're not in favor of abortion.
	You're not even willing to describe what you defend.
	So when we talk about... If you can't describe what you're defending, there's a problem, right?
	There is a big problem.
	There's a big problem.
	You know, a little anecdote about this in Kansas, when Sam Brownback was governor of Kansas.
	So he was the first one to sign the law which says, now it's been passed by a number of states, that you cannot do a dismemberment abortion.
	So the word dismemberment was in the name of the bill.
	When they were debating it in the legislature of Kansas, the Democrat senators who got up and spoke against the bill couldn't even say the name of the bill!
	They didn't even name the bill!
	And same is true with Planned Parenthood.
	When they sent out their press release, they were talking about the bill, but they wouldn't say the name of it because it has the word dismemberment.
	But, Father Frank, isn't that the nature of Planned Parenthood?
	Because the organization isn't planning parenthood.
	No, that's right.
	It's killing children.
	It's killing children, exactly.
	I ask them all the time, what do you do for those that plan to be a parent?
	Yeah, right.
	So you ask, how bad is it?
	It's got to start with an actual description of abortion, with people seeing those pictures.
	I use this example too.
	What if I stood on the sidewalk, and of course I've done this, holding a sign, Showing an aborted baby, but let's say I wasn't dressed as a priest.
	Let's say I wasn't saying a word I wasn't handing out any flyers, and I didn't have any words on the sign.
	It's just a picture of an aborted baby now question is would people who are passing by think That I was in favor of it, or that I was against it.
	They would all know I was protesting abortion, right?
	There would be no doubt.
	But then the question is, well, why?
	Maybe I'm advertising it.
	Hey folks, here's what they do down the street at the clinic.
	You know, go get your reduced-rate abortion.
	They would know I'm against it.
	And that says something, doesn't it?
	When you show people what it actually is... Well, I think because every human being is made in the image of God, and irrespective of their politics, deep down in their soul, they know it's wrong.
	They know it's wrong.
	They know it's wrong.
	Absolutely.
	Yes.
	You can't relate to that in a positive fashion, an aborted baby.
	No.
	That's why the damage that's going on right now with abortion is not only that nothing is taking more human life, Nothing.
	Do you look at the statistics for leading causes of death in America?
	Heart disease and cancer, right?
	They don't come anywhere near the numbers of abortions.
	We're killing about a million a year in these abortion clinics.
	And so it's bad from the statistical point of view.
	It's the babies, but we have more evidence than ever of the damage abortion does to the mom, the dad, the whole family, feminization of poverty, increase of single parents.
	Not a decrease, an increase.
	A single parenthood.
	So, I mean, let's be clear here.
	I mean, the list is a long list.
	It's not just the taking over an innocent life.
	There is no life more innocent than an unborn child.
	That's right.
	Taking over life, which can never be justified.
	Sorry, the morality of that can never be justified.
	It's the psychological, the spiritual damage to the mother, to the potential father.
	And then at the end of the day, the damage to the fabric of society.
	That website is lookatabortion.org.
	We're talking to the National Director of Priests for Life.
	That's priestsforlife.org.
	And he is Father Frank Pavone.
	You can follow him on Twitter at FRFrankPavone.
	That's Father F.R. Frank Pavone.
	The End Thank
	you.
	Thank you.
	I have to ask this question.
	Maybe you don't answer it.
	For some reason, as a cradle Catholic, I get to hang out with some, not rebellious, but some tough, tough, tough priests in my time.
	When I arrived to America, our parish priest was Antonin Scalia's son, so Father Paul, a very serious, serious fire and brimstone priest, and it was fabulous to arrive to his parish.
	Yes.
	Is it hard for you to do what you do?
	What does the church think of what you do?
	What kind of flack do you get?
	Because you are an outspoken father.
	Oh, this is a big story here.
	This is a big story.
	Yeah, you know, first of all, of course I wouldn't be doing this had I not gotten some really strong support.
	Cardinal O'Connor was the one that launched me into this.
	But even he got flack as a cardinal, the Archbishop of New York, arguably the most influential cardinal in the country at that time.
	And he told me, and he said it publicly, he said, look, I get pushback from some of my brother bishops who say I'm too focused on this issue.
	And I've had bishops say to me, oh, Father Frank, you know, you're too aggressive about abortion.
	And I say, well, when abortion stops being aggressive against these little babies, then you come and talk to me.
	But, you know, I start in my ministry with saying, look, we're a ministry of encouragement.
	We don't say we're priests for life because the other priests aren't for life.
	We say, no, all the priests are for life.
	So there are exceptions, sadly.
	But they need help to say so.
	They need the tools to minister in their churches on this issue.
	So we help them in a very positive spirit.
	Despite the fact that we're so positive in our encouragement of our brother clergy, we get priests and bishops that literally want to stop what I'm doing.
	Now I have had to go to the Vatican numerous times to defend this work and to defend my Sincerely felt calling to do it on a full-time basis.
	Is there some commonality to your critics?
	Why would a Catholic or a Catholic priest want you to not do what you are doing to defend, to help others defend the most vulnerable?
	Is it a not wanting to rock the boat or is it more serious?
	Well, it's a couple of things.
	Not wanting to rock the boat, because first of all, there are political loyalties at work here.
	Some of these men are deeply loyal to the Democrat Party, and they don't want to offend their friends.
	So we've got to face that reality in the church.
	Or they don't want to offend, not only their friends in the political world, but maybe they're helping them with some good social programs, and those programs are good, but they don't want to offend them with abortion.
	Or, and or, there are wealthy Democrat parishioners who will take offense, withdraw their donations, etc.
	Okay, this is one thing of what's going on.
	Along the same lines, one of the things that some of these bishops have criticized me about is precisely my support for President Trump.
	And I have been absolutely unapologetic and unwavering in that, and I've said to them, listen, practically speaking, this is the way that we are going to end abortion in America.
	There is no other option here.
	Now, I support President Trump for a lot of reasons, but this was, of course, the driving factor right from square one.
	And I said to these bishops, in fact, they even threatened to, believe it or not, they even threatened to throw me out of the priesthood.
	For the role I played, as I mentioned before, I was his national co-chair.
	And it was like, I said, listen, I'm sorry, but do you want to end abortion or not?
	How serious are you?
	Because you know what?
	He's serious.
	He's serious.
	And I've got to say it, and I've said this publicly before, but I want to emphasize it here at this juncture.
	As a Catholic priest, I'm supposed to be getting encouragement from the bishops, and again, many of them support our work, and I'm supposed to be getting encouragement from my brother priest, but I have gotten nowhere have I gotten more encouragement to do what I'm supposed to be doing as a priest, to say what I'm supposed to be saying, and to give witness to the gospel and to speak freely about its implications in our nation.
	I've not gotten any more encouragement from anyone than from Donald J. Trump.
	That's incredible.
	I mean, I can tell you right now, Father, it was difficult for me, as a former Deputy Assistant to the President, still an appointee to the Defense Department, to make this statement.
	Because I grew up under Margaret Thatcher in the UK.
	I looked at Reagan as a true statesman.
	And it was tough for me, as somebody who really thought Reagan was amazing, to admit the facts of the matter.
	That my boss was even more pro-life than Ronald Reagan!
	The guy lambasted left and right, sadly, by fake conservatives is more in favour of supporting the rights of the unborn and the most innocent than Ronald Reagan.
	Guys, if you want to do a little bit In this fight.
	And I think we're winning.
	I'm going to ask Father, then stand up and send a message to the world in what you believe in.
	It's America First, which includes our children.
	Support those who make this show possible, not just our advertisers.
	But we have a very sneaky t-shirt on our website, SebGorkerStore.com.
	It uses the Planned Parenthood symbol, slightly adjusted because, you know, you've got to be smart about it.
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	Father Pavone, what you are doing It's really a war with the devil.
	Yes, yes.
	I mean, abortion is truly diabolical, is it not?
	It is.
	And what C.S.
	Lewis said, greatest success the devil ever had is to convince us he doesn't exist.
	That he doesn't exist.
	Because he's in those abortion clinics, isn't he father?
	You know, he really is.
	I have seen inside abortion facilities, now we're not saying that all or even most or even many of the The women who go to these clinics are involved in this.
	No.
	But the act itself, and those that are at the core of the abortion industry pushing it, I have seen in abortion clinics the tools of satanic worship.
	Really?
	Yes.
	It is going on in some of these clinics.
	In fact, some of the abortionists have even written about this.
	You know, part of our ministry is ministering to ex-abortionists.
	A lot of people know about Abby Johnson's work, but she came to me after she came out of the abortion industry and she said, you know, how do we help these people that are going to come out because of my story?
	And there had already been, and I was trained in it, a model of healing these people developed by a Canadian psychiatrist, Philip Ney.
	So I worked to show Abby how this whole thing works.
	So, in any case, we minister to these ex-abortionists.
	They'll admit it.
	They'll admit that not all of them are involved in it.
	But there is satanic worship.
	But, you know, think of it... I mean, we're Catholics, okay?
	So, at the heart of our faith is the Mass.
	And at the heart of the Mass are four words.
	that tell us the meaning of love and of life and that are the words with which Jesus goes to the cross to save us.
	Those words that give life are hijacked by the abortion industry to justify the taking of life.
	And those words are, this is my body.
	Right.
	Isn't that fascinating?
	So this is one of the signs that this is a satanic movement at its core.
	That it's twisted the center of the sacrament.
	Yeah!
	This is my body.
	I can do what I want even if it means killing the baby.
	Jesus says this is my body.
	I don't control it so that you die.
	I give it away so that you live.
	And that's the calling at the heart of marriage, parenthood, priesthood, and every vocation at its core To sacrifice yourself in love.
	And on the flip side what we're talking about is taking a life that doesn't have any capacity to give it.
	Right.
	That cannot acquiesce to its murder.
	Right.
	The child, the baby, isn't doing what Christ did on the cross, willfully giving up his life for others.
	Exactly.
	It's being taken with just the act of those outside it.
	You know, another dimension of this, as you bring up the role of the devil in all of this, I always say, you know, the devil hates God.
	Scripture makes that clear.
	He would want to kill God, but of course he can't.
	So he does the next best thing.
	He kills what's made in the image of God.
	How much of this, and forgive my oversimplification, I think the capacity that they've had to sell this, is they sell abortion as just another form of contraception, it seems to me.
	It's just non-consequential, it's just another form of contraception.
	It's not a life!
	For them, it's just another form of contraception.
	That's right.
	It's a relabeling.
	Yeah, it's a relabeling.
	It's used that way.
	I mentioned about a big part of our ministry healing those that have had abortions.
	Rachel's Vineyard, the big retreat program around the world for doing that.
	In that capacity of doing Rachel's Vineyard, I have ministered to people, and I always, when I preach about this, I say it always gives an audible gasp in the church.
	I have ministered to women who have had 25 abortions.
	Isn't that incredible?
	Now, so first of all, people say, well, can the human body even endure that?
	Well, some can.
	Why?
	Why would they do that?
	And this is where people have to understand how terribly and deeply damaging abortion is to that woman.
	Because she has killed her child.
	She knows on some level she has killed her child.
	The bond with that child is broken.
	One of the responses to that trauma is, well, I need to go back and fix this.
	I need to get pregnant again.
	Replacement baby, it's called, right?
	So she gets pregnant again, and she has experienced the trauma.
	So now when she gets pregnant, it's like, wait a minute, I killed my previous child.
	I'm not worthy to have a child.
	The shame and the guilt kicks in, says, hey, I'm not worthy to have a child.
	I should abort this child.
	But the other thing that's going on, those trained in psychology of trauma will know this term, traumatic reenactment.
	When you're in a situation, a traumatic situation, that you feel you can't understand and you can't control, what does the human psyche often do?
	Repeat.
	Put you back in it.
	You repeat it.
	It's like a person in an abusive relationship.
	Why the heck don't they get out of that relationship?
	Well, because they're trying to understand it.
	And they're trying to master it.
	So they think they can master it by putting themselves back into it.
	Maybe this time I'll overcome it, right?
	And of course they don't.
	This is what people are often doing with this downward spiral of repeat abortions.
	In fact, half of the abortions that occur each day in America are repeat.
	The person has had at least one previous, and some of them, as I say, a dozen or two dozen previous.
	Don't we also have to be more effective in communicating the fact that there's a racial component?
	Oh my goodness, yes.
	When you look at Margaret Sanger, the eugenicism, the parenthood clinics in ghetto areas.
	I mean, isn't this something we have to be more loud about, that this is targeting the black community?
	Well, you know, even, first of all, in the black community, of course, Alveda King has been very vocal about this, and she's a member of our pastoral team at Priests for Life.
	We've been privileged to Have her on board for the last 15 years.
	And she says, you know, while we claimed our seat in the front of the bus, they were preparing a place for us at the abortion clinic.
	That's powerful.
	It puts it in a very graphic way, yeah.
	But even Planned Parenthood recently has admitted this over the last year or so.
	They've started to say, oh, we're no longer going to defend the racism of our founder, Margaret Sanger.
	She was racist.
	She said so.
	And even Ruth Bader Ginsburg admitted this abortion thing.
	It's out of control.
	Yeah, and it has been used to get rid of the people we don't want too many of.
	Now Clarence Thomas has been great in bringing this out.
	He brought it out in one of his opinions in a recent Supreme Court case that came out of Indiana.
	More and more of these states are introducing bills that would prohibit abortion that is done for motives of racism.
	And this is a very good kind of legislation.
	Yeah, that's powerful.
	That's very powerful.
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	And also, if you want materials, if you're just trying to convince somebody, or maybe they're on the edge of, you know, coming down off that cliff, look at abortion.org, look at abortion.org.
	You have just mentioned a certain URL.
	You used the phrase at the beginning of our discussion, and I'm going to close on this one.
	Father Frank Pavone, will we see an end to abortion in our lifetimes?
	We will, and there's more confidence when I say that than I've ever had before.
	This Supreme Court case, the oral arguments for which are going to be heard December 1st, the Dobbs case, Let me just put it this way.
	We, in the pro-life movement, always talk about reversing Roe v. Wade and we think about it as, okay, it's going to be in some distant future, in God's time, etc.
	Seb, we right now could be a matter of months away from the reversal of Roe v. Wade.
	We've all been studying this case.
	And there's a reason why the justices took it.
	They put it off from conference to conference for a long time, which means there was a lot of stuff going on there below the surface.
	They're about to do something.
	The way they posed the question, I mean, we don't have time to go into it in detail, but the way they posed the question, the way the arguments are shaping up... Signals to you... It signals to me that they're going to make a major change, if not completely reverse Roe, weaken it to the point that it is de facto reversed.
	Every day, it's just abundantly transparent that even if you're not a person of faith, the science of life just strengthens the fight for the children, does it not?
	Well, that's right.
	And even the quote-unquote ethicist, whose ethics we don't think much of, Peter Singer, said, there's only two consistent positions, he said.
	either oppose abortion or endorse infanticide.
	Which he does.
	Yes, which he does.
	Which he does.
	But what he was saying was that the event of birth cannot possibly have the kind of moral significance of saying that the difference between a person and a non-person.
	Right.
	It doesn't.
	It can't.
	Well, I'm very excited, and I want to say in front of all of our millions of listeners and viewers that, well, just thank you for what you do.
	And your whole team.
	You're welcome.
	Because there is no more important fight.
	That's right.
	If we don't have life, we don't have anything else.
	And it is the mark of our civilization how we treat the unborn.
	It is.
	What we do to the weakest, that's the character of the nation.
	That's how we will be measured.
	Please support this man, endabortion.us, and as we've mentioned here every day, Of this show, the only thing we lack, the most, the biggest problem we have after the last two years of what we've witnessed happen to this country, is courage.
	And with courage, we will win.
	God bless you, Father Pavone.
	Thank you.

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