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I know Captain Kirk finally made it into space, but for some crazy reason, the Star Trek theme continues, not just to make certain of our listeners, well, and the host happy, but because that crazy, I mean, sorry, that completely balanced individual, the actor known as George Takai, He's decided to chime in.
Yes, Mr. Sulu thinks he has a thing to say about parenting in America.
How ironic.
A tweet that was just sent to me moments ago from Stacey Langton.
So George Takai does... Well, no, let me read George's original, original tweet so you'll understand the great contribution he's made to parenting in America.
Every school board member should ask hostile quote-unquote parents Quote-unquote parents?
Dude, are you a quote-unquote parent, George Takai?
In the audience, whether they were urged to appear or were organized by any third parties in advance of their appearance.
Yeah, because that's what conservatives do.
We, you know, we have George Soros to fund us into these AstroTurf organ.
That's exactly what we're like, George.
Not the left.
I mean, the left is, you know, totally organic.
I mean, Antifa, right?
Organic, right?
BLM, totally organic, not Marxist at all.
This is a concerted attack by right-wing groups, not a grassroots upswell.
Well let me ask one of the conspirators.
She's a good friend of the show, former member of the school board in Fairfax County, former political appointee in the Department of Education, good friend of America First.
Elizabeth Schultz, are you one of these conspirators?
Are you a domestic terrorist?
I am not a domestic terrorist.
Your Twitter says you are!
Well, that's the quote-unquote.
So I'm a quote-unquote domestic terrorist.
I don't know who the quote-unquote parents are that George... Quote-unquote parents?
What does that mean?
Are they crisis actors?
Does George think that these are like crisis actors who don't have kids in Fairfax or Loudoun?
What a hypocritical stance for somebody who lives in a Hollywood bubble to impugn, you know, and of course that's now the new thing, is we get to impugn parents.
He gets to impugn parents who go into their child's high school library and find pornography and bring it to the school board.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Not pornography, let's be clear.
Pedophilic pornography.
Young boys with grown men.
In school libraries.
In graphic novels.
In text and graphic novels.
But I say I don't need any qualifiers.
You don't need to say heterosexual porn for kids is bad.
Homosexual porn for kids is bad.
Pedophilic porn.
All porn for kids is bad.
And if George Takai says that a parent, quote-unquote, who comes to a school board is urged by a group, who in their right mind as a parent can take extra time out of their busy life of raising children to be urged by a group to go speak to their school board?
First of all, Who cares who's asking you to go to a school board meeting?
But usually the people who show up at school board meetings are because they have either been paying attention themselves all along, or because of COVID, or yes, or the last 18 months have pulled back the Oz's curtain and shown what's happening in our children's education.
And yes, parents are, you know, the word is angry.
And I said, why does it always have to be angry parents that we're mad?
Maybe we're deeply invested in our own children's education.
Maybe we have a moral obligation.
Maybe we're passionate or fervent about what is either being taught to our children or not being taught.
Where is the math?
Where's the science?
Where's, you know, the basic reading?
All of the numbers show on these test scores that our kids are falling off a cliff, and yet we're getting hundreds of millions of dollars from the federal government to prop up these school districts?
So this is, I mean, this is the point.
I mean, it's pretty obvious, but I need to state it.
Hollywood actors are asking whether or not somebody encouraged parents to take a stand.
Well, who cares if they did or didn't.
What about the issue?
So George, give us a call because I'd like to know, are you defending homosexual, paedophilic pornography?
I mean, let's talk about the issue.
Just the issue, not who's organizing what.
Are you in support of paedophilic pornography for underage school materials.
Which, by the way, George, it's illegal, okay?
It's actually illegal according to the US code to do that to school children.
Here's the number, George.
We've got a huge audience in California.
Somebody give this to Georgie Porgie, okay? 83333 Gawker.
And if you can't work that out, Georgie, it's 833-334-6752.
Give us a call.
I'd love to debate Mr Sulu as a quote-unquote parent.
I'm ready for you.
Okay, Elizabeth, follow this lady at think underscore Schultz, that's S-C-H-U-L-T-Z, think underscore Schultz on Twitter.
In the last few minutes we have, please tell me.
I mean, you've been fighting on the front lines in federal government, in the Fairfax school board.
Is this the beginning of the end for the insanity with these parents standing up?
Well, this is the thing.
The real problem we have is the collusion of the National School Board Association and AG Merrick Garland, who I've just gotten a note today.
The America First Legal has filed a Freedom of Information Act request asking for the DOJ's records on the communication with the National School Board Association.
Let's backtrack.
This is the association that wrote a letter citing one, one incidence of a threat against a school board that within seven days, record, trust me, as a former White House strategist, never before in the history of federal government has a National Association for Anything got the AG of the DOJ to launch the FBI across the country to target quote-unquote parents as domestic terrorists.
So are we going to get the truth?
So the school board letter came out on the 30th of September, which is a Thursday.
You have Friday, Monday the 4th.
Monday the 4th!
This is 48 hours.
It is historical that you could get not only a letter, but action.
And you're going to talk about the whole weight of government coming down, a whole government approach, the Patriot Act, FBI against moms.
That's what A.G.
Garland has done.
What has he done about the security of the border?
What has he done about the security of the nation?
Or the girl who was raped?
The girl who was raped.
The girls who were molested by the Olympics doctor in the gymnastics.
Where have they been in the protection of children and now they're going to come after quote-unquote parents?
These are our children.
We do have a voice.
Unlike Terry McAuliffe in Virginia who's running for governor who says that we shouldn't have a voice in what our children learn in school.
Yes.
Secretary of Education, U.S.
Secretary of Education, Miguel Cardona, would not say that parents are the primary stakeholders in their own children's education, only that we're important.
Important, he said, and then said that teachers are important, too.
So we're at the same level.
We've got a few seconds left.
Elizabeth Schultz is one of the warriors in this issue.
What do you say to all parents who are watching this, are infuriated, but who haven't done anything politically?
Go to your school board meeting, first of all, and be that parent who stands up.
Don't be afraid that the federal government is going to come after you because they can't come after all of us.
Two, run for your local school board or support a local school board.
You have to take back your school boards, America.
Number one thing, look at the bottom of the ballot.
That is the number one thing that is affecting our culture, it's affecting our children, and it's affecting the future of our nation.
The sad fact is we snoozed, we lurched for the snooze button as the radicals funded by George Soros and others.
Yes, I said it.
Bring it, Media Matters.
Bring it, Daily Beast, you hacks.
It's just a fact.
Funded local campaigns down to the school boards to radicalize America.
It's time for us to take it back.
It's up to you.
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We're going to discuss a t-shirt that was sent to me by somebody I just met in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
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But let me talk to you about another t-shirt that just arrived in the mail.
It's from a crazy individual.
His name is Corey Williams.
He's a doctor, but most important of all, he's a Marine.
And he sent me a very delightful piece of Well, a garment to do with this country and kind of explains why he's taken the decision he's taken.
Doctor Williams!
Welcome to America First!
Well, thank you so much for having me on, Sebastian.
It's an honor, and I think you're going to look a lot better in that shirt than I do, but hey, I'm just trying to keep up.
Oh, I don't know.
You're a pretty fit dude.
You could still be in the Marine Corps.
Mr. Dr. Williams, tell us what's on the shirt you sent me and why it has encouraged you to make a certain political decision of late.
Well, you know, it says 1776 forever free, and you know, I think that There's so many Americans that the last 15 months have really felt more than any time in our history that, you know, the rug of freedom has kind of been pulled out from under them.
And, you know, like any small business, my wife and I run a chiropractic practice in Carlsbad, California.
You know, we felt the same way and started doing rallies up and down California to get our freedom back and really just trying to teach the people the Constitution and And what it stands for, what we put our right hand up, you know, when we swore an oath to defend all enemies foreign and domestic, well, we have a domestic enemy.
We have a domestic terrorist, and it's called communism and socialism.
And 1776, forever free, stands for choice for every single American, and really teaching them that if we're going to get this country back, Seb, we've got to take it back.
So how are you going to take it back?
Where do you live and what's your big plan that you announced to me as we had a cigar in Tulsa last week?
Yeah, well, I'm in a run for U.S.
Senate against Alex Padilla.
I haven't officially announced yet.
We're in the exploratory phase, but that special announcement will be coming very, very soon.
So we're talking about Kamala Harris's old seat, correct, Dr. Williams?
Yeah, sure we are.
People say I'm crazy, but God's telling me to do it, so I'm following what He says, not what they say.
So we had a fascinating discussion as to your attitude to everybody in this city who are the so-called experts, the so-called political advisors and strategists, that are telling you what?
What's the message that you're hearing from the swamp?
Well, Doc, they want everybody to tuck and run.
And you trained Marines for years.
And you taught Marines.
And you know we don't tuck and run.
And I see all these people saying they want to take the country back and we need to win the House and Senate.
But a lot of these strategists, they want to go for their sure deals.
They want to go for the same guys putting the same people back in office.
that we had this last election cycle.
And last time I checked, we don't have a majority or even a supermajority in either one of them.
So why are we not trying to fight in these states?
Are we just giving up on blue states?
Are we gonna take the fourth largest economy in the world and say, "Well, California, "you know, we don't really care "what happened with the election.
We're just going to check off the box and not even try.
Because that's how you roll over into communism quicker.
But for me, for me, look, and I'm an immigrant, maybe I'm not allowed to say this, but Cody, it's un-American.
I mean, to just say, oh, well, we're just going to write off a district or we're going to write off a state.
Is that how America was created?
Is that the spirit of 1776?
No, it's not.
And you know, I also said to you that night, and I thought about it even more since that is, is, you know, I think that we've been so socially conditioned to lay down our freedoms, to be compliant, almost like drone, almost like sheep.
And you know, that 1776 spirit has to be taught again for Americans to know that education is good.
Litigation is great.
I mean, I think these lawsuits are awesome.
But at the end of the day, standing up and leaning in like Southwest pilots are doing with civil disobedience, we've got to train people on how to do that.
Because to your point, they've forgotten how to do it.
And you've been, I mean, we just met at this function for a real MAGA candidate in Tulsa.
We connected.
But you told me this crazy story of all the rallies you're going to even before you announce.
There's a real energy out there, isn't there, Cordy?
There is.
I mean, we've been on the road three weekends out of every month for the last 15 months.
I've probably done at least 40 that we either sponsored or co-sponsored.
And then we went national.
I've been on stage with Brandon Strock, Roger Stone.
You know, everybody you can imagine.
General Flynn.
And, you know, God's really blessed it.
And you can see Americans everywhere that are just like you and I said.
They're exactly like us.
They want to stand up.
They want to lean in.
They know that America is about choice.
And when you take away choice, you take away the Republic.
And people are sick and tired of it.
It's the Marine way.
You lean in, you run to the sound of conflict, the sound of bullets.
And it's the American way.
It's how the Republic was created.
How can people follow you?
How can they support you?
Yeah, I appreciate that.
You can go to 1776foreverfree.com.
You can donate there.
You can go to DRCORDIE, Dr. Cordie Williams, alloneword.com, and then I'll have links to Instagram and Twitter.
We're all over the place, and we're lucky enough to be followed by Dr. Gorka.
And Dr. G, appreciate everything you're doing.
You guys are amazing.
God bless you, brother.
1776foreverfree.com.
Last 60 seconds, Cordy, your message to those who think, you know, I'm a Californian or I'm in Massachusetts.
I don't have a dog in his fight or I can't make a difference.
If not now, then when?
And if not you, then who?
That's what I would say to you guys.
And I would also say that The only way that you're going to take back your country, it's by we the people.
It's not by we the swamp, it's we the people.
And so get involved, go to your school boards, share and like videos, make your own videos.
Education is important, but let's take the fight to them with civil disobedience, because you can see everywhere from Southwest, there's countless examples of how that is working, and we've got to start taking the fight to them.
It's a very simple question.
Listen to what Dr. Cordy Williams, US Marine, just said.
If, not, now, when?
As the border is open, as the Taliban is reinvigorated, as we've got four million extra unemployed last month, as they're trying to indoctrinate our kids in schools with sexually, utterly perverse and debased materials, as they're clamping down on us with big tech, what else are you waiting for?
This man has made a decision.
He's got my support, 1776foreverfree.com, Dr. Cordy Williams, Samper Fidelis.
This is America First.
Don't touch that dial.
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He tells the last 15 minutes a story, basically, about that whole mob, and it makes him look terrible.
Oh, really?
That's what it's about.
That's what I heard.
It's not a joke, it's a story.
Yeah, he does do some jokes, but there's no way that's what pissed him off.
It makes him look horrible.
Really?
Yes.
Good.
Alright, I'll have to watch it.
I definitely was thinking about watching it.
The last 10-15 minutes is weird.
Alright, what do we have to come in?
What's an important cut?
Um... Rogan?
No, that's too long.
We'll save that for later.
Okay.
The idiot Don Lemon's pretty funny.
Oh, good.
Yeah, okay, good.
Oh, the Macaw thing's great.
That is great.
Alright, I'm gonna use that and then go to calls.
You're gonna go in with Macaw or tee it up?
I'll tee it up.
Okay.
Okay.
That's six.
Yep, 45 seconds.
35.
Okay, 20 seconds.
Okay.
Okay.
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Hey, Jeff, this cut, cut six, this is the campaign ad, right?
Yes.
Okay.
Guys, Glenn Youngkin's team, they're finally getting it.
They're playing hardball.
Was it a function of him coming on the show last week?
Could be, to quote a certain dog who's good at Kung Fu.
They finally have a campaign ad that went right over Jeff's head.
Right over Jeff's head.
Hong Kong food, come on guys.
They have a campaign ad, which is delicious.
Why?
Well, you know you're not allowed to question the results of an election.
And especially, I mean, voting.
Voting machines are sacrosanct!
Nobody can hack a voting machine!
Well, if you're Terry McAuliffe and it's 2019, well, let's just share this Glenn Youngkin campaign ad quoting Terry himself!
Play cut!
Do you think this next election is going to be on the up and up?
Oh, I'm very concerned.
I mean, I can tell you, in Virginia, when I was governor, I had to replace all the machines.
As governor, I got rid of all of our DRE.
I remember when I first voted, when I went to Richmond, moved down as governor.
I remember I went and voted in 14.
I just moved to Richmond.
I just got elected governor.
I remember I kept voting in the Senate race, kept voting for the Democrat, Republican name kept coming up.
I hit the machine for Warner.
Gillespie's name lit up.
Three times that happened.
I did it four times.
So then I had an investigation done.
So I took the machines and I hired hackers.
Listen to this.
Listen to this.
They were able to hack into our machines from off-site.
Off-site.
In about five or six minutes.
It took them six minutes to hack into our OptiScan machines.
And within four minutes, they were able to change a vote.
It took another two minutes to change a vote.
I decertified all the machines.
I was very disturbed by that.
It happened to me again the next year.
What?
A Democrat questioning election integrity and voting machines?
Ah, congratulations to Youngkin.
Well done, guys.
Well done, guys.
Finally, you're getting the message.
Jeff, are you impressed?
What do you think of that campaign ad?
Yes, we need more of that.
We need a lot more of that because they've got a 4% split now between Terry McAuliffe and Glenn Youngkin.
Eric, what do you think?
Has he finally come out of the closet as a conservative?
That was, like you said, it was pretty hardball.
I think the best part of that is that it's the exact same story twice in two different occasions.
It makes him sound fake.
No, no, no, no.
But it's exactly the same story with different numbers.
I voted four times, I voted three times.
Which one?
And the best one was when I moved to Virginia in 2014 to become governor.
Not a carpetbagger!
Not a carpetbagger!
What do you think, John?
Are you finally impressed with the Yankin campaign?
I would say so.
That was a big one.
You know, you like to see guys take the step forward and actually go on the offensive, and that's what you just saw there.
Cross the Rubicon!
Okay, let's go back to Crazy George Takai, who has a problem with, quote-unquote, parents.
Don in Los Angeles, time for you to chime in, brother.
Oh, Dr. G, great to hear your thundering voice.
Man, oh man.
You know, Mr. Sulu, Yes.
from the old days must be rolling in his grave to see what George Takai, who portrayed him, is doing to his reputation.
But, you know, Dr. G, it's so funny, as always, the left, the communists, whomever, they always accuse you of what they're doing.
And this is so funny, because Mr. Takai, you know, it's like, oh, out damn spot.
But it gets to a bigger problem.
You I'm reading another excellent book.
It would be a great companion to your great books, like reading The War Against Jihad, etc.
It's by Mike Gonzales, who wrote The Plot to Change America, where he went into the Gramsci stuff.
Well, this one is called BLM, The Making of a New Marxist Revolution.
So he's not very genteel.
He's got the gloves off, too, and it's about time.
We've had him on the show for an hour to discuss it, Don.
We love Mike Gonzalez, so absolutely.
But the idea that this... I mean, I just tweeted it out.
Was George Takai, did he act in anything after the 1960s?
Because he's a quote-unquote actor then, because he hasn't been in anything for 40 years, and he dares to say quote-unquote parents Don?
Yeah, I think he's been in a couple of commercials, you know, kind of not real great.
The only other role I liked him in was in the Green Berets.
He was an anti-communist then.
Yes, with John Wayne!
Yeah, oh, how the mighty have fallen.
Oh, what a shame.
Mr. Sulu, you've gone to the lavender side.
Very bad.
It's very, very sad.
Thank you, John.
Yes, indeed.
I think, you know, I'm going to ask the question.
Why is this quote-unquote actor, why does he have a problem with parents who want to stop paedophilic pornography in our schools?
Any suggestions guys?
Why would George Takai have a problem with pro-pedophilia pornography being stopped?
Makes you think, doesn't it?
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Is Mr. Sulu pro pedophilic porn?
Question mark.
Thanks.
Yes.
Cordy.
Yes.
If you won't fight now, when will you fight?
And David.
China is laughing at, um, Joe Biden.
Got it.
I really like that.
That, uh, that's nice.
I know that's nicely done.
They should have done it in the debate.
Yeah.
I don't know, it sounds like they've kind of removed a little bit of their head from somewhere and started kicking it into gear.
Did you see how Lincoln Project's so pissed at him for coming on my show?
No.
Oh yeah.
Oh, you haven't seen that?
You've got to see that tweet.
It was the tweet, that woman, that blonde woman from Lincoln Project.
Oh yeah.
Oh no, they've done a whole ad about me and Junkins.
Yeah, the notorious white nationalist Sebastian Gorka.
Yes, right.
I remember I was reading the tweet, I was reading some of the replies, because you know they curate all their replies so it's only their sick fans replying to them.
I remember reading one reply that was, it was just the video, it was you and Junkin, so it had the little graphic logo, the intro of the 18 second intro of the logo, the slate we do, at the beginning of the video.
And one of the reply tweets was just like, why is the intro 18 seconds long, South Face?
Like, they can't stand our intro.
Oh, so sad.
One minute.
Yeah, so sad.
I don't know how anyone would even, I don't know, it does not cease to amaze me anymore.
I don't, you know, it's getting numb to all of this, this craziness.
You can't get numb.
No, no, to their stupidity.
They're like, oh, you know, the caring about how someone is thinking, it's just, it's like, oh, well, they just either are very stupid or they're just willfully ignorant.
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Alfredo Ortiz, welcome back.
Hey, hey, Seb.
Thank you very much.
How are you doing?
Good.
Well, I'm doing fine.
I'm not sure the American economy is doing so good and the small business is out there.
You were on here not too long ago, a few weeks ago.
Did you think it could get even worse the way it has?
Well, you know, if you look at the agenda that the Biden administration has, the regressives from the left, nothing surprising at this point.
And it is getting worse.
Obviously, you just saw inflation numbers are getting worse.
The Biden tax cut, excuse me, the Biden pay cut, as I like to call it, is real.
Because inflation is going faster than the wages are.
Right.
So what does it mean going forward?
What is the talk to us about the damage that, for example, the federal vaccine mandates could exercise upon small businesses across America?
Well, we're very, very concerned about that.
I mean, the impact to small business will be great in terms of compliance costs, regulatory costs.
Uh, losses, uh, you know, skilled workforce, because right now with unemployment, uh, you know, being where it is and, and this, this skilled labor shortage where it is, um, it's actually fairly easy to find another job.
And so if you're working at an employer, for example, that has a hundred more employees, maybe you just decided to go walk across the street and go to an employer that has less than a hundred, right?
Cause you won't be subject to, to the mandate.
That's why I said we put up a, just yesterday morning, In response to the announcement from OSHA, from the Labor Department, that the text was being reviewed by the White House, we put up the billboard right in the middle of Times Square like we always do, pushing back and saying, hey Joe, time to let the mandate go.
I'm so excited.
That's the place to do it.
But it's not just about billboards.
We've been discussing here at America First, your Bring Small Businesses Back bus tour campaign.
Tell us about this campaign.
What's the message and where are you going?
Well, the main message on the tour is that, you know, we disagreed fundamentally with Biden's war on small business.
You know, when you look at every proposal basically on their agenda, like I said, Uh, it's attacking small businesses across the board.
And, uh, you know, this is the worst time you can do it as small businesses are still trying to recover pandemic.
They still are in the middle of a massive labor shortage.
Now you've got inflation costs going through the roof.
Now you have supply chain costs, and then you make them now basically effectively de facto vaccine police.
And we have a real problem with the way they're misrepresenting and lying to the American public about this mandate, because they're saying this only impacts the largest employers in this country.
I don't know about you, Seb, but when I hear that, I think of Coca-Cola, United, Bank of America.
That's what I consider largest employers.
You know, not Bob and Joe's Manufacturing in Sioux City, Iowa.
Right, exactly.
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Look, Alfredo, I travel the country and I talk to business owners.
I had a carpenter I was chatting with two days ago.
They just can't find people to employ.
That's right.
What is your advice?
I mean, you're out there fighting for small businesses, but you are now talking to millions of people across the country.
What is your message to the employee of a small business or the owner of a small business who's just trying to survive?
Well, look, this is probably one of the most challenging times, I think, for small business owners across the country.
They effectively have been competing against the federal government over the past 16, 18 months with all those different benefits that were being offered in terms of unemployment benefits.
There's a reason, though, why the savings rate in this country went from a traditional 6, 7, 8 percent to almost 33 percent.
Right?
People started putting money in the bank and now they've decided, you know what, I kind of like the little time off.
I think I'll take another three months, six months, eight months, a year off.
Right?
And so that's a real challenge.
And, you know, for the federal government to basically, you know, mess with our labor market the way it has been, it's just horrible.
I mean, look what's happening out in the Los Angeles and Long Beach harbors and on the docks there.
Right?
I mean, those things, it's like O'Hara at 5 p.m.
They're literally parked back to back because they can't get unloaded because the docks are full.
And why are the docks full?
Because there aren't enough truckers to move the stuff.
And when you hear your reaction, when you hear Biden say that the multi-trillion dollar package is going to cost nothing, Alfredo, nothing to the taxpayer?
You know what?
I mean, I have to tell you, they definitely They definitely know how to lie to the American public.
That's all I can say about that, because there's just nothing further from the truth.
How can anybody actually expect that when you spend $3 trillion in the economy, and it's actually more like $5 or $5.5 trillion when you really look at the spending bill in reality, Of course it's going to cost something to the American public.
It's going to cost, for example, small business owners.
When you take that 20% tax deduction that was part of the Tax Credit and Jobs Act away for pass-throughs, that's going to impact every small business owner.
When you have 1.4 million small businesses that file a C-Corps, when that corporate rate goes up, they're going to get impacted.
And when that top tax rate goes up, they're going to be impacted.
You know, so there is no such thing as a free lunch, right?
I think my mom taught me that a long, long time ago.
And anybody who believes that, right, I've got some ice to sell them out in Alaska.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, this is just absolutely ridiculous.
In the meantime, I've got to thank you, Alfred, and the whole JCN team for fighting in this war on small businesses.
Please join them if you own one, if you work for one.
They want to hear your stories.
They want you to be part of this amazing team.
JobCreatorsNetwork.com.
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God bless you, Alfredo.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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And then... Oh, McAuliffe.
And then anything else?
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Oh, did you do the guests yesterday?
Eileen and Brown?
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Let me.
Yeah, I uploaded it as a private video.
Let me grab the link.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Forty-five seconds.
What should we call our tea?
What's the billboard he said?
Forty seconds.
I forgot.
Coming in with two minutes.
Yesterday's cut ate Pelosi.
Yep.
Coming with that.
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Our latest CBS News poll shows that only about 10% of Americans describe themselves as knowing a lot of specific things that are in the reconciliation package and that the majority don't know anything at all.
So, do you think you need to do a better job at messaging and going forward, how do you sell this, if ultimately you have to... Well, I think you all could do a better job of selling it, to be very frank with you, because every time I come here, I go through the list.
She really is like some Soviet Politburo member.
What do you mean we didn't sell a 48 million trillion billion dollar deal?
That's your job!
Don't we own you?
Don't you work for us?
Aren't you the propaganda outreach arm of the Democrat Party?
That's when you see, that's when the face of the real Nancy Pelosi, the real Democrat party is glimpsed through the miasma of fake news.
Fabulous clip.
I think we have to post that one.
Let's go to Ben on the school boards, Atlanta.
Welcome, Ben.
How you doing?
Good.
You know how you can tell who is a domestic terrorist?
How?
Well, to the school board, it's apparent.
Pretty much.
Let's throw a little humor in the mix.
Is that it, Ben?
Well, that's... unless you want to hear more.
No, that's good.
Thank you.
We appreciate that.
It's a kind of dad joke there.
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Brooklyn!
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No, there's no... What do you mean?
It's live radio!
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Oh, hang on.
Three million people.
Will you just slow... Wait, Judy's not ready.
Go ahead, Judy.
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When you put an oxygen mask on yourself first before your child, you are enabling your child better.
It's the opposite of selfish.
It's about America.
God bless you, Judy.
Thank you.
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What about the caller?
We'll call her.
Oh, shoot.
You want me to grab that?
Yeah.
For this one?
Well, at least by E. All right, let me grab it.
Okay, 40 seconds.
Yeah.
He's just always, like, squinting, like he can't see what's in front of him.
Well, he didn't look this bad when he was vice president.
No, he didn't.
He was clear-eyed.
He had this, he had sort of a killer look to him, especially when he was younger.
He sort of, like, his thousand-yard, well, not like a thousand-yard stare, but he was, like, staring through something, and now he looks like he's trying to figure out what's...
Well, I guess it's the teleprompter.
It must be.
I just never see him not reading off a teleprompter.
I don't know.
Silly, silly, silly.
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I wish this were April Fool's Day.
It's from the Daily Wire from Leif LeManihu.
Interesting.
Thank you, Leif.
Seattle school cancels pumpkin parade for marginalizing people of color.
Now, call me a legal immigrant to the United States, but I'm not sure there's a great white supremacist aspect to Halloween.
Unless, are the skeletons a symbol of white supremacy because they're white?
I don't know.
But this takes the biscuit.
Of course it's in... Seattle.
A Halloween-themed parade at a school in Seattle has been cancelled!
With the school administrators arguing, quote, that it marginalizes people of color.
I mean, of all the holidays, I mean, really, I mean, Charlie Brown's Great Pumpkin Patch.
I mean, is there something I'm missing?
Is there like a nationalist, fascist overtones to Halloween?
Following five...
I'm sorry.
Following five years of deliberation about the future of the school's annual pumpkin parade.
Okay, they've been debating this for five... I mean, how long is an elephant pregnant?
I mean, not even an elephant is pregnant for five years.
The Benjamin Franklin Elementary School has decided to nix the holiday tradition this year On the advice of the school's racial equality team.
In place of the pumpkin parade.
Oh, it's the fascistic.
I mean, pumpkin parade.
It's just oozing.
Isn't it oozing with Mussolini-esque Nazi overtones?
In place of the pumpkin parade, students at the school may participate in a quote, in autumnal work.
That sounds a bit fascist.
Autumnal work.
Is that in a labour camp or something?
And quote, thematic units of study about the fall.
They might also look at quote, I'm not making, it's here.
I didn't write this.
Okay.
It's here.
It's a real story.
Okay.
They also might look at, quote, sharing all the cozy feelings of the season.
But no pumpkins!
Because they're fascist!
Okay, had to, had to share that.
That was, um, more offensive.
You know, post Julia Marsh.
Simple name.
De Blasio, the mayor, is booting founding father Jefferson from City Hall.
Jefferson.
He's getting the boot.
The founding father will no longer be in, quote, the room where it happens, thanks to Bill de Blasio.
The mayor, who has just three months left in office, is quietly banishing a statue of Thomas Jefferson from City Hall's council chambers where it has resided for the past 187 years.
For the past 187 years.
To quote a certain Marine who was on the show about 50 minutes ago.
If not now, guys.
When?
If you...
If you're not prepared to do something to stop the crazies that are banning Halloween pumpkin parades and removing statues of some of the greatest men, not in American history, in world history, then when the hell are you going to do something?
Get engaged.
Get involved.
I don't care if it's the local school board.
In fact, I would prefer it if it were the local school board.
But any political activity, get organized.
Refuse the mandate.
Step up and let them see how American you are.
Okay.
Somebody who's had enough.
I think he's still the most popular podcaster in the world, isn't he?
Joe Rogan?
I do believe so.
And CNN's Sanjay Gupta, well, he was a silly boy because he went on the Joe Rogan podcast as a CNN propagandist for three hours with the man that CNN said is taking horse dewormer.
And this is how Joe Rogan dealt with it.
Cut to.
It's a lie.
It's a lie on a news network.
That's a lie that they're conscious of.
It's not a mistake.
They're unfavorably framing it as veterinary medicine.
Well, the FDA put this thing out.
You saw that.
Did you see that thing that the FDA put out?
What did the FDA put out?
It was a tweet, and it was snarky.
I admit it.
They said, you are not a horse, you are not a cow, stop taking this stuff, or something like that.
Why would you say that when you're talking about a drug that's been given out to billions and billions of people, a drug that was responsible for one of the inventors of it winning the Nobel Prize in 2015?
Yeah, a drug that has been shown to stop viral replication in vitro.
You know that, right?
Why would they lie and say that's horse dewormer?
But don't you think that a lie like that is dangerous on a news network when you know that they know they're lying?
You know that they know that I took medicine.
Like, here it is.
This is ivermectin.
You got it?
It's right here.
Somebody gave it to me.
Alright, hang on.
The thing is, we're going so fast.
I feel like I'm missing... Do you think that's a problem?
That your news network lies?
It was not... Well, I don't... Dude!
What did they say?
They lied and said I was taking horse dewormer.
First of all, it was prescribed to me by a doctor.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Along with a bunch of other medications.
They shouldn't have said it was worse.
Because there were people that were taking the veterinary medication and you're not, obviously.
You got it from a doctor so it shouldn't be called that.
He nailed him.
I mean, he was just... Are you going too fast?
Because Joe is talking this quickly.
That's too fast for a medical doctor.
I'm going to play that again, but first, you've got to listen to Don Lemon's response, okay?
Proof positive that he may actually be thicker than Fredo Cuomo.
Cut three.
Listen, I think it's also very important.
I know it's in large part a tongue-in-cheek interview, you know, because it's Joe Rogan and there's lots of jockeying back and forth, but he did say something about ivermectin that I think wasn't actually correct, about CNN and lying, okay?
Ivermectin is a drug that is commonly used as a horse dewormer.
So it is not a lie to say that the drug is used as a horse dewormer.
Hey, cretin.
That's not what CNN said.
CNN said Joe Rogan took Horstie Warmer, you lying piece of excrement.
That's what you are, because you work for CNN.
But that clip was so good, let's play it again.
Joe Rogan making Sanjay Gupta squirm in his seat.
Horse dewormers, not a flattering thing, I get that.
It's a lie.
It's a lie on a news network, and it's a lie that's a willing, that's a lie that they're conscious of.
It's not a mistake.
They're unfavorably framing it as veterinary medicine.
Well, the FDA put this thing out.
You saw that.
Did you see that thing that the FDA put out?
What did the FDA put out?
It was a tweet, and it was snarky.
I admit it.
They said, you are not a horse, you are not a cow, stop taking this stuff, or something like that.
Why would you say that when you're talking about a drug that's been given out to billions and billions of people, a drug that was responsible for one of the inventors of it winning the Nobel Prize in 2015?
Yeah, a drug that has been shown to stop viral replication in vitro.
You know that, right?
Why would they lie and say that's horse dewormer?
But don't you think that a lie like that is dangerous on a news network when you know that they know they're lying?
You know that they know that I took medicine.
Like, here it is.
This is ivermectin.
You got to sit right here.
Somebody gave it to me.
Alright, hang on.
The thing is, we're going so fast, I feel like I'm missing... Do you think that's a problem?
That your news network lies?
Well, I don't... Dude!
What did they say?
They lied and said I was taking horse dewormer.
First of all, it was prescribed to me by a doctor, along with a bunch of other medications.
You know what the biggest mistake Joe Rogan made there three times?
Joe, he called CNN a news network.
Back with Jim Carrafano.
It's not the Halloween parade.
It's not around a religious holiday.
It's not around a pumpkin.
It's not the Halloween parade.
It's the pumpkin parade.
Did you know pumpkin parades are racist?
No, no, no.
They marginalize.
Marginalize.
What have we got?
Yeah, actually.
Minute 40.
Comment with Fiona Hill.
Which is cut... Seven.
Seven, yep.
Got it.
Coming with that after the... Did you know him before?
Did you meet him before?
The new Prez?
Oh yeah, I know him well.
Because they're part of our Immigration and Border Security Coalition.
Oh!
What's his background?
Does he have a thematic background?
So he's been a university president.
He started a K-12 private school, so he actually came out of education policy.
And he's been a TPF for a while, took over in Brookliff.
It's almost like the perfect candidate.
And pretty young, right?
Are the mics on?
Yeah.
Are the mics on?
Yes.
Mic's off?
Oh, okay, hang on.
Um, they're off.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I On the side of the U.S.
Constitution, America first.
And I think it's just very hard for Americans to step back and realize that they have got themselves in thrall.
People have voted to him to an individual.
They don't want to admit it to themselves.
And any criticism about Trump is a criticism about them.
He's kind of like an avatar in a big video game and a reality game.
But in real life, you know, President Trump is taking us in the direction of tyranny.
This is no joke.
President Trump is taking us in the direction of terrorism.
Does Fiona Hill know that he's not president?
Does she know that he isn't?
Censoring other Americans like Silicon Valley is just the real issue with that cut is Fiona Hill was a political appointee running one of the directorates in the National Security Council under the Trump administration.
You're the problem that somebody as seditious as that gets a job in the Trump administration calling the president tyrannical when 63 million Americans voted for him.
Just a little teaser of what we have to fix the next time we win the election.
It's time to celebrate.
I'm so excited.
It's such a big day that my buddy Jim Carrafano actually brought me an apple pie from McDonald's to celebrate because the Heritage Foundation has got a new boss.
Is that right?
Yes.
People know that we have a new boss.
When I come on the show, I not only speak on the show, but I play the intro music.
Do people realize that?
I play all the instruments.
You do air drums.
No, I play all the instruments myself.
It's all live music.
Give us the news!
So Heritage is arguably the world's leading think tank, because we actually voted the world's most influential think tank.
For like years in a row.
Yeah, three years in a row.
Matter of fact, we retired because you can't win it in perpetuity.
No bragging there.
But look, it is An institution which has committed itself to being a place where all conservatives can come together and find common ground on all the issues that are important to us and most importantly the kinds of things that will keep America free safe and prosperous.
So it is not just because I work there but it is it's a crucial to a healthy civil society in America to have places like that.
Kevin Roberts is the new president.
He came from the Texas Public Policy Foundation which is a fantastic State-based.
One of the best.
Think Tank in Texas.
Phenomenal Think Tank.
He's got great leadership experience.
He's a true conservative.
PhD historian in American history.
Oh!
And loves and honors, you know, where this country came from.
This is the night, if you're awoke, you know, whatever, this man is your nightmare.
Good, well we will sorely, she's not disappearing, but we will sorely miss the lady who has been at the helm for three years at the Heritage Foundation, Kay Coles-James, superb, wonder woman for the conservative movement, but she's not disappearing, so I think we can probably get her on the show again a little bit more easily, but congratulations, the announcement was today and you have a new president, join the conservative mothership today, heritage.org.
Okay, let's get down, yes.
No, I was saying, in a sense, the right signal, This is a national conversation, right?
It's not just something in Washington, D.C.
Right.
And people think of Heritage as your think tank in Washington, D.C.
and you're talking to Congress.
We're talking to the entire country.
And so bringing in a leader from Texas is actually outside of Washington.
That's great.
Which is such an important part.
I think it sends the right signal.
We need more of that.
So yesterday we had our West Coast Warrior Princess Jennifer Horne on the show.
She's based in Los Angeles.
Her dad sent us, sent through her, a photograph he took of the cargo ships off the port of LA.
Lovely sunset, but all those cargo ships sitting out there, a hundred of them.
This is the reaction from those who are responsible for national economics This is from the blazed Dave Orbanski.
White House Chief of Staff Ronald Klain was clobbered on Twitter after endorsing the notion that America's economic struggles with supply chains, cargo ships and inflation are quote High class problems.
Klain on Wednesday retweeted a post from Harvard economics professor Jason Furman that stated, quote, most of the economic problems we're facing, inflation, supply chains, it's just a high class problem.
You know, working class doesn't affect them.
Jim, this is much more than economics, isn't it?
Or class?
Well, it is, but...
But it's not just economics for the consumer, because you're like, oh my God, because it is, it's devastating to the individual consumer who can't afford to, you know, that dependent on the local stores to have product, but it's also devastating to small businesses.
Because the dirty reality is, is if there's a backup in a supply chain and the prices go up, you know, companies like Walmart, they can eat that cost.
Right.
Because of scales of size.
Right, yeah, but a little tiny importer, you can't, you're living on the margin and you can't afford to jack up your transportation costs.
But isn't there also a national security aspect?
Absolutely, 80% of the world's goods travel by sea.
You think, you know, in the 21st century that it's all cyber and everything, but the reality is we are as dependent on ships moving cargo.
Yeah, ordering on Amazon, it doesn't fly to your house.
We are as dependent on stuff moved by sea as Christopher Columbus was back in the day.
And it is, maritime security is an important part of this.
And what's so screwed up about this in particular is we have Blockages all the time.
There's a strike at a port.
There's a hurricane.
And the wonderful thing about the American system is we've been able to move cargo around from port to port to bring cargo into places where there's less of a backup.
The fact that this is so screwed up and it's prolonged for this long, it really says a lot about the management's country.
And I don't want to say anything, but when you pick a secretary of transportation who literally has zero experience in transportation and you put them in charge of the most one of the top global hubs in the entire world for moving goods and services.
And then when there's a hiccup in the system, you're shocked that he can't fix it overnight.
Well, isn't it also embarrassing that a state that is functioning like Florida, that Governor DeSantis has to actually say, OK, come here, bring the ships here, we'll unload them.
I mean, isn't that embarrassing?
Well, it is.
Of course, it's easier said than done, because how are those ships going to get there?
Who's going to pay for the fuel?
They've got to go through the Panama Canal.
And there's a throughput problem on the Panama Canal, which says maybe we should build another canal.
That's a whole other issue.
But yeah, it does not bode well.
This is maybe the second or third time we've had major disruptions, not just in supply chains, but in infrastructure.
And every single time the Biden administration has fumbled the ball.
So think about this.
It's not just the Foreign policy screw-ups.
It's not the domestic policy things.
But when we have big domestic problems here at home and there's a hiccup in the system, this administration, like it does on foreign policy, they're kind of a bit deer in the headlights.
That's not a good sign.
Because what happens when you have two hurricanes at the same time and something like this?
And we're in the middle of hurricane season.
So this doesn't get easier when you have hurricanes that come in and shut down other ports for days.
And here's the big deal.
How are they really fixing this?
They have a mandate, which is not really a mandate, that everybody has to take vaccines.
We have companies all across the network firing trained workers as we speak.
And so in the time when we should have more truck drivers on the road, more longshoremen, more everything, we have less of everything out there working that moves stuff in America.
It's almost like it's sabotage.
And to think, and to think, 10 months ago, Jim Carrafano, we had a businessman in the White House.
Could you imagine what he'd be doing now?
He'd be on the docks, he'd be talking to Walmart, he'd be talking to the shipping companies.
This would not have even risen to the level it's at.
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Back with Colonel Carafano, Dr. Carafano, after these messages.
Thanks, Eric.
No problem.
Mic's on.
Could you imagine if this had arisen under the Trump administration?
I have the cut, by the way.
The audio cut.
No, I mean, this is ridiculous.
This should not have happened.
This is totally ridiculous.
These are easy fixes.
I mean, they could have.
This is a meeting in the White House.
Yeah.
Instead they just let it, they ignored it.
They, this is the thing is, is if it's not on their agenda, they just, they're, they're complete blinders until they only pay attention to it once it hits the news thing.
And then once, then they're just all the excuses about how it's not our problem.
And then, you know, and then they just took their head and it goes away.
Well, he held it.
He gave a speech yesterday, so... And it was ridiculous.
That'll solve it.
We're also banking on the media not covering it, which, to be fair, like, I did not even know this was happening until just the other day, but it's apparently going on for weeks.
Mm-hmm.
It's not true, though, with Buttigieg that I haven't experienced.
When he got nominated, remember, he said he got engaged in an airport.
Oh, yes!
How could you forget that, Jim?
He got engaged in an airport, Buttigieg.
He said he rode lots of trains.
He's got experience in travel.
That's true.
And don't forget that, he rode a bicycle the last two blocks to work.
Remember when they took it out of the SUV?
That was the best.
So is he already in place, or was it just an announcement today?
I don't know.
Was it an audio cut, Geoff?
What do you mean you don't know?
Didn't you go through the all hands?
I did, but it actually wasn't clear when he started.
Would you ask about the announcement or what?
No, I didn't hear what you asked.
Oh, about Heritage.
I was talking about Heritage.
Oh, I see what you're asking me.
No, no, no.
It's not.
It wasn't a thousand percent.
That's what I had done there.
What did they do?
Did you have a big auditorium or not?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, you did?
Yeah, we had a good turnout.
I was surprised how many people showed up.
Oh, good.
Yeah, I think it's a very solid pick.
He's a great guy.
Just a great guy.
Everybody seemed very happy.
Good.
And she's staying on as fellow, like, resident something.
Yeah.
And then, yeah.
Kaylee, you know, I love Kaylee.
She has awesome ideas.
She has some of the most creative ideas.
Yeah, I think, you know, now that she's not going to have to fundraise, we can actually do some substantive stuff with her.
Oh, that would be fine.
That would be great.
I'm sure she'd like that.
She likes radio, I mean, I think.
She's so good at it.
She is very good at it.
She's a talker.
That's good.
That fundraising must be so tough.
Traveling all the time.
You know, it's funny.
We talked about it.
She said that was not the hardest part of the job.
Really?
No.
Managing people like you was the hard part?
Well, obviously.
So, the most difficult part of the job was getting people to really understand everything that we did.
Ah, interesting.
So, explaining.
Yeah, I mean, we do that.
It was difficult.
It's very, very difficult.
It's like you have no idea all the stuff.
The training programs, the internships, the coordinated outreach.
Stealing my associate producer every few weeks on, you know, Jolly's.
I'm making him a better person for you.
You're making Eric better?
I'm making him a more valuable employee.
Some assembly required, I guess.
You may notice that Eric looks like the guy, the psycho serial killer guy on you.
On Netflix?
What's the show?
Listen to his voice and just look at me.
Oh, you haven't seen the show?
What's it called?
Oh my god, You.
Y-O-U.
You?
No.
It's a creepy show.
Oh, you haven't seen the show?
You watch a lot more television than I do.
It is completely sick.
Alright, are we coming or anything?
No.
Alright, stand by.
Say bye.
America First.
Can you believe it?
They are saying that they don't agree with America first.
How do you say that?
Magnificent.
He just comes on my show to say that my team members in the break look like psycho killers.
He's Jim Carrafano.
JJ Carrafano on Twitter.
Am I wrong, Jim?
Well, so there's this new TV show.
It's called You.
It's on Netflix.
They just, season three, and it's about this guy, but it's the shtick.
It's like, he's actually this really nice sounding looking guy, and he's a serial killer.
Okay, I'll have to check that out.
I'm gonna shock Jeff now.
I started watching a new TV show.
It's an old one, okay?
Because, well, it's not that old.
It's called Friday Night Lights.
And finally, I'm getting into American football.
It's addictive.
I want the Panthers to win every flipping game.
It's more interesting than the game.
Alright, let's get back to work here at America First with the Heritage Foundation's Jim Carafano.
I'm going to read a story to you and I just want you to react to this.
This is from Fox News by Bill Malugan.
Exclusive!
At least 160,000 illegal immigrants have been released into the U.S.
with little or no supervision by the Biden administration, including a broad use of limited parole authorities to make more than 30,000 eligible for work permits.
The documents obtained by Fox News give a partial snapshot into how the Biden administration has been releasing enormous amounts of migrants into the U.S.
Since March 20th, at least 94,570 illegal immigrants have been released into the U.S.
with notices to report on their own recognizance.
Is this insane?
We're probably going to be at That's just the tip of the iceberg.
Yes.
We're probably going to be at 2 million additional illegal immigrants in the United States by the end of the year easily.
And this is by policies which are designed to skirt the law.
So they're intentionally ignoring or using the flexibility or authorities that were given in the law so you don't do stupid things to essentially do nothing.
This president is trying, their conscious policy is, how do we not enforce any immigration laws in this country?
Because?
Because...
What?
Votes?
What is it?
Well, I don't see how it's going to get them votes because I think this is one of the most unpopular things.
No, no, no.
They think they're buying future constituents.
What is the logic here?
You do strategy, you do policy.
No, I mean, I do.
I think this was initially tied with what was called H.R.1.
So they came in thinking that they were going to do this one-hit, two-hit thing, right?
The amnesty.
So they would do H.R.
1, essentially a federal takeover of the election system, and then they would walk in as part of this massive Bill, the reconciliation bill, with a general amnesty.
And so essentially everybody that was here illegally could stay and they would do the rules so you could never tell if actually a citizen or non-citizen were voting.
And the assumption was is that millions of people then would just automatically vote for the Democrat.
And now what's happened is their policies are somewhat unsynced in the sense that H.R.1 didn't pass.
They may or may not either get the massive $4.5 trillion spending, and it may or may not include immigration.
And so now what they're stuck with is only the things the president could do unilaterally, which is to open up the spigot and let everybody come in.
What is that going to lead to?
Say there's 10 million illegals, Jim.
Yeah, well, here's the problem, which is they can't turn it off at this point because all the leftist constituencies for open borders would descend on them.
And remember, this is a president who is already hated.
He's already a president who's a dumpster in the polls.
If he abandons these people who are the only people that are supporting him, he essentially has no political base whatsoever.
So for political reasons, he's locked into suicidal policy.
So this is the Bill Clinton moment, right?
Where Bill Clinton was Swinging on the trapeze and he quickly realized he was never gonna be able to implement a liberal agenda because there was too much of a backlash and his choice was either to just keep swinging or to let go and grab Uh, of the facade of bipartisanship and compromise with the Republicans essentially to save the second half of his presidency.
And that's essentially what he did.
Right.
But we are in an environment where that seems impossible.
It doesn't seem very likely because the only way Biden could recover would be to abandon his liberal base and literally become the person that ran for president.
The nice guy who said, I will lead from the center and I will do all the things Americans want.
He hasn't abandoned that rhetoric.
He's never given up on the rhetoric.
No, but he's not doing any of it.
He's doing the opposite.
None of his policies are doing that.
And the problem is nobody is paying attention to his rhetoric.
They're all looking at his policies.
He's unifying America by getting the Department of Justice to call mothers at school board meetings domestic terrorists.
That's how he's uniting America.
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Dr. Sebastian Gorka Welcome back.
This is the Salem Radio Network.
I'm Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Trump.
My old White House colleague Andy Sarabian will be with us to give a measure of the MAGA movement in the next hour, one of the sharpest political minds in America.
It's a White House kind of day.
Why?
Because guess who's on the line?
We call him the Baron Boris Epstein, former special assistant to President Trump, former strategic adviser to the Trump campaign.
Baron, welcome back.
Thank you so much, my dear friend.
It's a White House kind of day.
We've got myself, of course, you, the address to the President, and then Sir Rabies coming next hour.
Very exciting for everybody.
Yeah, it's going to be a lot of fun catching up with a guy I haven't spoken to in a long, long time.
Not like the Baron, but let's stay on the White House theme.
Not the Trump White House, but the current one.
I have to get your reaction to Peppermint Patty, who was at the podium, who was explaining why, you know, high gas prices, Boris, it's not a problem everywhere, really.
Cut five.
For a range of issues, and we should talk about those, that the American people are, of course, impacted by rising prices of gas in some parts of the country, not all.
Well, Boris, it's OK, then, because it's only some parts of the country.
Which parts of the country, Boris?
Oh yeah, so there's, you know, there's about 50, Obama thought there was like 62 states, so it's probably those 12 states, or whatever it was, that those are the parts of the country they're referring to.
This White House has absolutely no idea, no idea, what is happening in America.
It is completely divorced from reality, devoid of any understanding, and, you know, they always say that the organization reflects the leader, well, they've got a feckless So, at this point, it's hard to imagine how much worse the situation could get.
at this White House, if you can call it that. - So at this point, it's hard to imagine how much worse the situation could get.
In that case, the question I always return to, and you are a guy who's worked on so many campaigns, not just in the White House, your political sense is fine-tuned.
Is there not a point, if you look at the cargo ships off L.A., you look at the two million illegal aliens, you look at the four million people who resigned from their jobs last year, you look at the inflation, you look at Everything to do with national security, with Afghanistan.
Is there no point at which Biden becomes an albatross around the neck of the Democrats?
Or are they just too afraid to have the cackler in the oval?
It's happened already.
Look at Virginia.
Yeah.
Terry McAuliffe is losing to Junkin in a race where Biden won by 10 points.
Hang on, Boris.
Boris, it's not just that, you know, Junkin has a shot.
Did you ever think that Terry McAuliffe would actually publicly state that the Democrat president is the reason that he might lose Virginia?
Of course.
I never expected it.
I never thought it would happen before this.
Listen, here's the deal.
We all knew it.
You and I stood there on January 20th, and we saw President Trump fly to Florida.
We knew that things were going to be bad, okay?
You and I talked about it right there at Andrews Air Force Base.
It was an honor to be there with you.
We knew it was going to be bad, but I don't think even the worst critics, the most austere prognosticators thought it was going to be this bad.
I mean, this is historically terrible.
I have said this once.
I've said it a million times.
I challenge anybody, my friend.
Anybody.
To find a president in the history of this country who's worse than this.
We're in George III category.
That's all we are.
This isn't about American presidents anymore.
It's George III.
It's Louis XVI.
That is where we are.
What does that mean?
What's the DNC react?
- I mean, what's the DNC react?
How long are the Democrats going to hang on to this guy? - No, that's a very good question.
I think the Democrats, realistically, are going to keep him there because the cackler is even worse than he is.
See, that's the problem they've got.
They've put themselves in such a bind by playing their usual racial politics, don't care what you Kamala Harris, that what they have now is a president who doesn't know what day, what year it is, probably still thinks it's like 1976, okay?
And they've got a vice president who's universally despised.
It doesn't have any adult skill, okay?
So they've got no out.
Here's their out, and I've said this.
Their out is this.
Biden resigns.
Kamala Harris resigns.
Nancy Pelosi resigns.
And they elect somebody like a Hakeem Jeffries to be Speaker of the House, who's at least somewhat of a reasonable and a functional human being, and then that's where they get to be president.
Without something like that, which is obviously unprecedented.
Yeah, but the idea that the climber, you know, the ideologically vacant climber Kamala or Marie Antoinette Pelosi would do that is out of the questions.
So there's no way that logic would actually prevail, would it?
No.
Again, the Democrats are not logical people, right?
Liberals aren't logical, right?
If you're logical, it's okay.
I want limited government.
I want lower taxes and I want national security.
Only an illogical person says, oh, you know what?
It's a good idea.
I want to give the government more of my money.
There's like a billion genders, okay, supposedly.
And we should all be living without cow farts, okay?
Democrats and libs are not logical, right?
And that's right, because they're politicians, and they're so bad at it.
I mean, if you look at it, right, these Democrats, outside of You know, movement people like Barack Obama, they can't get anywhere real.
They can't really truly win big elections.
And we know, we know, my friend, there's no way that Joe Biden, you know, hiding in the basement, got 81 million votes and won last year.
There's absolutely no way.
If that were the case, there's no way that his approval rating would be down in the 20s in nine months.
No, that's a very, very good point.
If this man broke all historic records for voting in North America and got more than 80 million votes, then how do you explain the fact that he has, in less than a year, actually descended to the depths of being one of the most unpopular presidents we've ever seen since polling data was first collected?
It's impossible.
No, it's another great piece of evidence, along with the one I always cite.
There's no way that a decrepit, machine politician of 47 years got more votes than the first black American president.
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Boris?
Yes, sir.
I'm gonna ask you- I'm gonna play a very short Fauci cut, and I'm gonna ask you a similar question as to what- at what point does the whole COVID thing become an albatross, okay?
Okay.
Uh, give me Leonard.
Leonardo.
Mic's on?
Yeah, we're- we're just on the line, though.
Gotta put him on hold, then.
Just put him on hold.
Okay.
There we go.
Hold on.
Thank you.
He's still on air.
There you go.
Line three.
Leonardo!
Hello, Sebastian.
How are you?
Let me be the first little premature to wish you a happy 51st birthday.
Oh, buddy!
That's so kind.
You're getting in early.
Listen, I've got to have the Baron on the line, then I've got Andy for the whole next hour, but I just wanted to say hi and thanks for your patience.
Thank you so much.
You know what I have to say?
Just one quick word to you.
Yeah.
Let's go, Brandon Murphy.
I changed his first name.
Let's go, Brandon Murphy.
You are always, always persistent in your attitude to the governor.
God bless you.
You'll have to make your own t-shirts, I'm afraid, Leo.
Have a good one.
Be safe.
Bless you and your family.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
Alright, uh, come in with, um... Hang on, let me see.
Come in with it?
Fauci 8?
Yeah, come in with 8.
Coming in with code 8.
Alright, stand by.
Standing by.
You're listening to America First with Dr. G.
We are seeing now a decline in acceleration and a turnaround of cases.
Where do we ultimately want to be?
As I mentioned, it is going to be very difficult, at least in the foreseeable future and maybe ever, to truly eliminate this highly transmissible virus.
And again, as I mentioned, we've only eradicated one.
He's truly diabolical.
I mean, really.
That's Fauci now saying, you're never going to get rid of COVID.
Wear a mask forever, boost us into eternity.
Because, well, you know, fear.
It's good for politicians.
We're back with the Baron Boris Epstein.
I got to ask you this, you know, just totally cold calculation.
The political hard analyst's eye.
Is there not a point at which the fear-mongering is, and this is good for us, Boris, is utterly counterproductive to the Democrats and we just win over some of their former voters?
Or are they so locked into this fear mongering that they can't escape their own construct?
Yeah, it goes back to what we talked about, right?
Democrats are not logical.
Liberals don't really have a kind of forethought.
So to them, there's, okay, here's now, I'm going to say that everybody has to wear a mask all day long, including outside, including when they sleep.
There's no Gingrich on the left who says, guys, we're going to lose elections.
Actually, probably people should know that it doesn't play well politically, but they can't help themselves.
You know why, my friend?
Because they are Democrats.
And they just simply, absolutely, clearly do not get it.
So there's no adult left.
There's no Gingrich on the left who says, guys, we're going to lose elections.
I mean, it's good for us, but you're saying that person doesn't exist.
It's like a John Podesta.
That's who's over there, right?
John Podesta, who's the architect of the historic, glass-shattering, once-in-a-lifetime loss for Hillary Clinton in 2016.
That's what they got, okay?
That's as good as they get, so it's actually pretty pathetic.
Wow.
Well, look, it's good for us, right?
Because the expectation?
Let's get you on the record right now.
We've got 30 seconds left.
Next year, the midterms.
Are the Democrats going to be utterly trounced?
How does it look right now, Barron?
60 to 70 seats swing for the Republicans.
A huge historic win.
I'm actually on the record saying Could be as many as 100 seats because of how terrible the Democrats are and everything from the border to Afghanistan to the economy.
And then, let's all hope, President Trump in 2024.
Well, he's definitely gonna run.
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We will never give up.
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That's a clip, dear friends, that we usually save as our sign-off every Friday afternoon to make sure that the millions of the listeners out there who are part of the MAGA movement are refilled, are energised every single time they tune in.
I'm using it to open today's very special guest interview because it kind of embodies the spirit of the man who is going to join us today, an individual who I consider not just to be an honoured former colleague, but a great American, a great patriot, who actually shared, right next to me, we had this little partition wall between us in the White House, his former special assistant to President Trump and deputy political strategist, my good buddy,
Andy Sarabian, welcome back to America First!
Thanks so much for having me today, Seb.
It's been way too long.
It has been way too long, but we know you're a busy guy.
You're in the background.
You're making sure that we get the right MAGA candidates and that they win.
And this freight train of America First not only trounces the Democrats in the midterms next year, but also our old boss will win in 2024.
We have so much to discuss.
You are a You are a Republican strategist and you are the spokesperson for Donald Trump Jr.
So I just want to get in there.
These are the little things that this guy does after he leaves the White House.
Hopefully we'll see him back there soon enough.
Andy, let's start because we have an unfettered discussion here.
Say a little bit about yourself.
Where do you hail from and how did you get into this, as my dad used to say, politics?
It's disgusting, but it's so fascinating.
So if your audience isn't able to tell by the accent that I still have to this day, I was born and raised in the very conservative bastion of Massachusetts, or the, you know, it had the longtime nickname of Taxachusetts, but this world has gotten so crazy that There's numerous states that have higher taxes today than Massachusetts.
I mean, that's how crazy this country has gone over the last several years.
We can't even really call it Massachusetts anymore.
But born and raised in Massachusetts, how did I get involved in politics, my lord?
I mean, that's kind of an interesting question.
I will give you the short version.
I was originally interested in politics via Ron Paul's presidential campaign.
In 2008, and I was just very interested in seeing someone come from outside the typical political system.
Someone that, you know, you don't have to agree with them on everything, but was his own man, wasn't corrupt, wasn't part of the system, wasn't somebody who was influenced by the lobbyists, and I couldn't be describing someone else Right now, and that's where I'll make the connection.
But I was very, I was young.
I was very interested in his campaign.
I saw him as an honorable man who was trying to fight the system, not for his own benefit, but for the benefit of the people.
And so I majored in political science in college.
I fought with a lot of my college professors.
Um, and then after I graduated, I took my first job with an organization in the conservative movement called the National Right to Work Committee.
I helped them fight big labor for over a year.
After that, I took a job with a group called Tea Party Express.
This was pretty much in the middle of the Tea Party boomlet.
I've always been a little ahead of my age in politics.
I was their political director for three years.
And that's really where I first started, you know, making my relationships in this movement.
And what age?
I just want to know how you're the political director at 20.
How old are you?
What's your vaunted age then, Andy?
I was, look, I've always been a little ahead of my age in politics.
I was 23 when I got the job of political director for Tea Party Express.
And it was there where we worked with a lot of insurgent candidates.
And that's really where I got a lot of my schooling in politics, in strategy that I still use today.
After three years of doing that, I worked on some insurgent campaigns and then ended up on the Donald Trump campaign in the summer of 2016.
Jason Miller had just taken over as communications director.
I knew Jason via my work with Tea Party Express, since he was working with various of the same insurgent candidates we were supporting.
Let's explain what a war room is.
It's not just a thing that Bannon invented.
ever forget you know him telling me over the phone and i'm happy i i i'm guessing maybe some of the audience might not know what a war room director does so yeah let's let's explain what a war room is it's not just a thing that bannon invented so what's a political war room andy yeah so a political war room is basically the first nerve of a campaign it's the first it's You're responsible for being the first person on the campaign to catch every little thing that's happening.
So if your opponent says something that's noteworthy, it's on you to find it, clip it, push it out, come up with an initial response.
So you're like the universal political radar hub for that campaign?
Yeah, yes.
And war room jobs in politics are universally considered some of the worst jobs to have because, you know, it's a lot of hard work.
You're always on duty, right?
There is no off time when you're in the war room.
Now, I'll tell you a little bit of a funny story.
I remember when I was talking to Jason about the role, and I said to him, I go, well, Jason, I don't really know if I want to be doing war room.
Oh, no, Andy, you're not doing war room.
You're going to run the war room team.
You're going to oversee all the war room employees, OK, and just manage it, make sure everything is copacetic, all that.
OK, that sounds good.
You know, show up to the 14th floor of Trump Tower, and I find out there is no war room team.
And it was basically me and Stephen Chung, who is the Rapid Response Director on the team.
Stephen Chung, Panda, the man who is a social media wizard.
Gotta give a shout out to Panda.
So, it was you and Steve?
It was really, especially like right when I started, just me and Steve.
Steven was handling everything until I came on board.
He was Rapid Response Director.
I was War Room Director.
We didn't really have any staff under us.
We were just kind of working together.
They ended up bringing on two people under me.
This was our entire War Room for the campaign.
They brought two people under me and one quit after the Access Hollywood video, which, you know, I will never forget.
And it's funny, because I distinctly remember when Steve Bannon came onto the campaign.
And the reason I remember it so well is my hours at Trump Tower went from, you know, 8 a.m. to 6 o'clock most days to I ended up throughout the rest of the campaign getting in at 5.30 a.m. every single day. 8 a.m. to 6 o'clock most days to I ended You should have just got a cot.
You should have just got one of those old army cots and just taken it to the war room, Andy.
Yeah, don't don't please don't give Steve any ideas.
I'm sure he would have been totally fine with that.
But I was getting in at 5.30 a.m. every day.
Seven days, you know, my my my relaxing day was Sundays when I would get in at 7 a.m.
You know, we'd be working 15 hour days, 16 hour days regularly.
And, you know, while in the fight, it was, you know, it grinds you down because it's a lot of work, especially when you're understaffed, especially when you're understaffed working for the most covered presidential candidate of all time.
If there's any campaign that needed more war room staff, not less, it was the Donald Trump presidential campaign.
But it was also just a great learning experience For me, I learned a lot.
I definitely worked hard.
I still have the bags under my eyes.
My girlfriend says, man, you didn't have those bags under your eyes when I first met you.
And they haven't gone away since 2016.
But, you know, it's about building character.
And I always tell young people in politics when they ask me for advice, you know, the thing I always say, is take every opportunity that you're ever handed, and even if it sounds like not a fun job, even if it sounds tough, those are the jobs that will set you up for the future and prove that you can work hard.
And I'll tell you what happened with me.
I didn't know Bannon particularly well.
We weren't buddies on the campaign or anything.
He would walk into the war room And bark at me.
And I'll just tell a funny Bannon story because... Hang on, let's save the story for a moment because I just want to interject here based upon what you've said.
My story, when I first met candidate Trump, summer of 15, you know, you got the war room job.
I was brought on as an advisor on national security issues.
And then afterwards, Corey, it was just me, Corey, and the president.
Corey says, hey, do you want to come and see our campaign headquarters?
Yeah, sure.
So we go down the elevator in Trump Tower from the president's office, private office, down to, what was it, the 14th floor, whatever it was, and we get out and it's this unfinished floor, okay?
It's still girders, there's no walls, and I'm looking around, where is everybody?
Two.
Two people are in the campaign headquarters.
So I'm just going to say it now.
I've said it before.
2016 was an act of God in a good way that that man with so few people managed to defeat a political dynasty.
God bless.
He's got to do it again.
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The End The
End Okay, sorry Andy, I interrupted you.
Tell your little story.
Well, this is the quintessential Steve story.
So we weren't particularly close on the campaign, but I will never forget on the anniversary of September 11th when Hillary Clinton Passed out and just to remind everybody she's being helped she collapses on the way to the It's not a car.
It's not even SUV.
It's her ambulance.
Okay, it's her unmarked ambulance and she falls like a sack of potatoes So for those who forgot it, sorry carry on Andy, but how could anyone ever forget?
I will tell you, I won't forget that day because I will never forget being in the war room at my normal seat and seeing Steve Bannon just rush in.
And he looks at me and he just barks and goes, Sarabian!
I don't know if people remember, but when she passed out, one of her shoes had fallen off.
Yeah, into the gata, right.
Sarabian!
We need the shoe!
We have to find this shoe.
And I swear to God, for the next three hours, every 30 minutes, I was getting a text from Steve or an email from Steve.
Any updates on the shoe?
And look, Steve, and this is what I'll say about Steve, like, Steve is a genius.
And he understood.
Now, we never did find that shoe, I don't think.
I don't think we ever... What was the purpose?
Like the reverse Cinderella shoe?
What were you... I'll tell you exactly what it was.
And this is one of the reasons why I'll always say Steve is...
Just an incredibly smart guy because he understands the power of imagery, and he understands the power of imagery in politics, and he understood that just the image of that shoe on the ground represented the end of Hillary Clinton's campaign.
Now, I think some pictures of it may have turned up a few days later.
We never were able to get our hands on the shoe, but whenever I think of Steve, that's the story that I think of.
I've said it to you.
I'm going to say it again, and I give full credit.
This is the man who, when I was launched into the media, I hadn't planned to do media for the White House.
I was going to do counterterrorism in the background.
But after the first executive order dropped on the travel ban, Bannon and Spicer said, Gorka, get out there and defend this thing, which I did.
And then Andy says, you know what we should call it?
We should call it the fake news industrial complex.
I said, Andy, that's great.
You've got to use that phrase.
He said, no, no, no.
I don't do that.
I don't do that.
You can do the media, but you get to use it.
So I've been using that in the White House, out of the White House, on the radio show.
Why?
Because, and I'll say it on the record, you and Bannon are the smartest political minds I know active today.
Mute is the political godmaster of political strategy.
You guys are still in the bloodstream.
Steve's spreading himself a little bit Too thin in terms of everything from China to whatever.
But when it comes to domestic, Ray, I just used to watch you guys.
I used to watch you go and report to Steve every morning.
And just the granularity, the knowledge of what's going on in America, Andy, is why I'm sure the candidates you're advising now and Don Jr.
are so glad to have you by their sides.
Andy, talk to us about, I want your take, as somebody running the war room.
Somebody who's there 20 hours a day as we're approaching the election.
What is Andy Sarabian's take on what really happened in November of 2016?
How politically historic was that choice of the American people?
So, it's interesting.
I mentioned at the onset how I got into politics through being interested in Hang on Andy, we lost you there for a second.
We lost you there for a second.
So start again on how you get involved in politics.
Yeah, so I previously mentioned that I got into politics via the Ron Paul campaign, and I saw a lot of the same contours I saw in that campaign inside the Trump campaign.
And it was also very similar to kind of previous popular presidential runs from Ross Perot, from Pat Buchanan.
You know, what is the one thing that connects all, you know, Donald Trump, Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, and Ross Perot?
Well, there's three core issues that kind of connect them all.
All four of them oppose NAFTA and CAFTA.
All four of them were immigration hawks, opposed birthright citizenship, and all four of them were skeptical of foreign intervention or nonstop foreign intervention.
And I always believed that there was a thirst, particularly in middle America, on those issues where neither party was representing the voters on those issues.
There was this always – in my lifetime, there was always this elite consensus where, well, those are the issues where the Republicans and Democrats all agree.
Like we don't fight over those issues.
We all agree on the Iraq war.
We all agree on NAFTA.
I mean, you have to be a crazy person to oppose NAFTA.
And oh, by the way, cheap labor is kind of a good thing.
It helps our corporations.
I mean, this is the big scam that's been going on in our politics my entire lifetime, where on the issues that actually matter, the stuff that actually affects our country, both sides of the coin have been on the same side.
And Donald Trump saw that and understood that.
And unlike some of the other guys that I mentioned like Ron Paul or Ross Perot, he had something that they didn't have which was tier one communication ability.
Tier one charisma.
And we're not talking political charisma.
We're talking tier one Hollywood charisma.
So you had somebody who understood the issues that middle America cared about, who was able to package it in a way that no other candidate before him was ever able to package it because he's always had such a masterful understanding of how the media operates in general and how to present ideas.
And so, look, I'm not gonna sit here and lie and say that I was convinced Donald Trump was gonna win this election.
I mean, I think everyone in that war room, everyone probably on the whole campaign, if you gave them truth serum, they probably would have told you if they had a bet.
You know, he has a chance, but it's an uphill battle.
I mean, that was pretty much the consensus.
There were some exceptions to that.
I think Steve was always a bit of an exception to that.
There were a few other people who were, too.
But I do think that was kind of the consensus.
I don't think even our own campaign team was necessarily ready for a big win.
And I remember on election night, we got the initial set of numbers in from the RNC, and everyone was freaking out.
All the RNC people were saying, oh, these numbers are looking bad.
You know, an hour goes by, Florida goes our way and everything shifted.
But I do think Donald Trump really understood the issues, understood core issues that had previously gone ignored by both parties.
And he spoke about them in such a plain way that he connected with millions of people who before him had just given up on the political system.
Let me just chime in there.
And I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it wasn't just, you know, the knowledge of communications and the charisma.
Wasn't there also this level of I believe him?
This authenticity Q quotient that, you know, the steel worker in, you know, the Rust Belt says, you know what?
I believe this guy.
Is that also part of the recipe?
A hundred percent.
And like, look at the four guys I mentioned.
Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, Ross Perot.
Trump.
They're not, not all four of them are as charismatic as Trump or as charismatic as Buchanan was.
Perot and Ron Paul weren't very charismatic.
But, like, another thing besides the issue set that they all had in common is they came across as truth-tellers.
They came across like they were putting the country ahead of them.
That they believe things, and even if you don't necessarily agree on every little thing, and I'm sure there's probably issues where, hey, maybe I don't 100% agree with Trump on this, or whatever.
Um, you know, everyone's gonna have minor policy disagreements, but on the whole, I think people looked at Donald Trump and they said, you know what?
Even if I disagree with him on issue X, I can tell this guy actually believes what he's saying.
Right.
And I'd rather someone I disagree with a little bit who I actually believe than someone who's telling me everything that I want to hear.
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Thank you.
Thank you.
We've talked about 2016.
We've talked about how you got involved in politics.
Will you talk to us about the last four years plus nine months?
Talk to us about the political landscape.
Has the GOP actually internalized what happened in 2016?
And where is the... Stop laughing!
And where is the MAGA movement today, Andy?
I think there are aspects of the Republican Party that have internalized why President Trump was so successful and why his appeal was what it was.
I don't want to name names because some of these guys I like and I'm friends with, but you can certainly see, you know, certain senators and congressmen who have kind of altered how they talk, what issues they focus on over the last several years.
And there's a reason for that because I think, you know, there is an element of the Republican Party that Has figured out his appeal and understands it.
I also think there's an element, a big element, unfortunately, of the Republican Party that either A, never understood his appeal or even worse, B, understood his appeal and hated him for it.
And those are the Paul Ryans of the world who were ideologically opposed to Donald Trump on issues like immigration and trade.
I mean, I think Paul Ryan probably understood Trump's appeal, but he just hated it.
And so I think there's elements of the party. - Do you know why?
Because this is something I'm always trying to explore.
Why they hated it.
I think it's a combination of a couple of things.
But tell me if I'm missing something.
I think there's a class issue.
There is the idea that he's an outsider.
Why isn't he kissing my ring?
I should be the guy telling him what to do.
And also there's this, they want to lambast him after the acts as Hollywood tapes say he's an immoral person.
But because he fought for the forgotten men and women, He actually turned out to be more moral than they did.
A GOP that's betrayed the forgotten man for 40 years.
Their immorality was shown up by the reality TV star from Manhattan.
And also a class issue.
Am I missing something?
I'm still trying to wrap my head around why the people who say they're conservatives hated him so much amongst the Never Trumpers.
The first thing to understand is that all the moralizing was totally fake.
So many of the people who did it, I mean, look, like guys like Rick Wilson, who, you know, you talk that people in Republican politics in the 90s, who is known for doing the dirtiest, most dishonest, most, you know, hard hitting and some would say disgusting political ads.
The guy with the Confederate flag on his cooler.
You mean that Rick Wilson?
Yeah, like that was him.
I mean, he was considered like a, like, he was considered a very dirty consultant who would do these very hard hitting ads.
He certainly... I've always believed that the moralizing is fake.
And what do most of these people actually have in common?
What they actually have in common from Rick Wilson to Bill Kristol and the rest is they're almost all ideological neoconservatives.
And I've always said this, I think those guys can stomach a conservative.
They can stomach somebody who's a little bit tougher on immigration than they are.
They can stomach somebody who questions our trade deals to a certain extent.
But what they really can't stomach is somebody who questions the bipartisan foreign policy consensus of the last 40 years.
I've long thought that if Trump was, you know, if he was exactly how he was, but he said the Iraq war was great.
I want to stay in the Middle East forever.
And oh, by the way, we need to start World War Three with Russia.
I firmly and truly believe that Bill Kristol would be his biggest cheerleader.
I really do believe it all comes back to his views on foreign policy.
That's why the establishment Hated him so much.
I think there were elements that did hate him for his views on trade, because that's another issue where there's been a foreign policy consensus.
A lot of people are making a lot of money via these trade deals.
And I don't I don't want to I don't want to say that people do things based off money, but we all know they do.
And And look, I think most of the criticisms that Trump faced from his Never Trump critics weren't based in reality.
And they were essentially just trying to find reasons to attack him because they disagreed with his views on foreign policy and, to a lesser extent, trade.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
The commitment to the forever wars, and let's be clear here that some of the key individuals you've mentioned and the founders of the neoconservative movement, we mustn't forget if you go back and look at who these people were, in some cases who their fathers were, and what they believed in the 1960s and the 70s, These people are, they said I was a Trotskyite.
Not a socialist, a flipping Trotskyite who was quote-unquote mugged by reality and then I became a conservative with the neo in parentheses.
These people were born on the left and they've never quite managed to divest themselves of that.
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Andy Sarabian is with us.
He is a Republican strategist, spokesman for Donald Trump Jr., my former colleague in the White House, former special assistant to President Trump.
Andy, you are advising, I'm so glad you're advising, numerous conservative senatorial candidates this year.
You're working for Donald Trump Jr.
You know, you don't have to reveal the secrets, but let's ask you, let's give you a fifth candidate to advise.
Say I'm running, Gorka's running for governor of Virginia.
I don't like senators, they're just arrogant.
But I'd be a governor, because that's a real job.
Say I'm running this year, okay, or next year, and what's your advice?
What is Andy Sarabian's advice?
to a MAGA candidate after the last five years.
You look at the movement and I want the best kind of distilled.
What is going to work and who do we have to defeat and how do we have to defeat them?
Well, my first piece of advice would be, what are you crazy?
You want to run for office?
Are you watching crazy pills right now?
That's exactly what my wife says to me.
It's funny, Andy.
That's exactly what she says to me.
Wasn't the White House enough for you, you dummy?
But I'm joking, obviously, but there's also an element of truth to it.
I was just talking to one of the candidates that I work with, and he was complaining about some fake news hit piece on him.
And I said, look, this is why good people don't run for office.
Seriously.
And this is why they do it, because the media and the Democrats want to scare good, decent people for running for office.
And they've done a good job, Andy.
They've done a great job.
That's exactly right.
And it's why they smear so many people with vicious lies left and right.
The politics of personal destruction has led to a completely out of control media.
And honestly, I don't know if folks in the media have figured this out.
The politics of personal destruction are exactly why a record amount of people no longer trust the media.
Right.
So that would be the first thing I'd say, but if we want to get serious, what I always tell people is you gotta be who you really are.
Never try to be something you're not, because the voters can always sniff that out.
And that's like the single greatest mistake that I see politicians make all the time, where they say, well, the polling says I need to be here on this issue, there on this issue.
You know what?
If you don't actually believe it, people can see that.
So it kind of goes back to what we were talking about with Trump and Perot and some of these other populist candidates.
A voter would rather somebody who they disagree with here and there, who they think is telling them what they actually believe, than a robotic fraud just using talking points that his pollster writes for him or gives him.
So like my main piece of advice would be always be authentic and level with the voters.
Don't be something that you're not.
And look, like if your real beliefs are so outside the realm of what our primary voters are looking for, well, maybe you shouldn't be running for office as a Republican.
I heard an interview two days ago with somebody I like a great deal.
Bannon told me to read his autobiography and I'm excited he's running for the Senate and that's J.D.
Vance and he was being interviewed, I don't remember who was interviewing him anyway, he said, the interview, good question, how are you going to prevent yourself becoming a swamp creature if you win and you come to D.C.?
And J.D.
said, well I think, That happens when you surround yourself with swamp creatures.
You win a campaign, you come here, you hire the DC strategists, you hire the DC lobbyists, and you know, you are measured by your friends and associates.
I'm going to surround myself with my family, with people I trust.
Great response.
I texted JD, I said, dude, that is the right answer to the question.
What do we do about The institutional GOP, which as you're right, hasn't drawn the requisite conclusions from 2016.
Will you give us a diagnosis on the state of the America First movement?
Are you confident you're working for a few candidates?
Do you expect a trouncing of the Democrats next year?
Talk to us about the health of this amazing phenomena we've witnessed in the last five years.
So this might be a little counterintuitive for some, but I think the America First movement inside the Republican Party is actually a lot stronger than people realize.
On the issues, this is where our voters are.
That's the great disconnect.
Right now is that often, and this isn't true on every issue, and it's not true for all of our leaders, but often we have leadership or people in power in the Republican Party who completely disagree with our own voters on their own issues.
And I kind of always use this example as a way to think about it.
Here's the difference between Republican and Democrats.
Democrat leaders.
Basically agree with their base on everything.
There's no Democrat out there saying that, like, oh, the government shouldn't spend more on health care, or, you know, we should have less abortions, or we shouldn't have open borders.
There's, like, no—I mean, you can barely find a Democrat congressman who will complain about the crisis on the border right now.
The debate inside the Democrat Party isn't, you know, disagree—like, the debate between the grassroots of the Democrat Party and the leadership, you know, isn't about disagreeing on abortion rights or immigration.
It's always, Leadership saying, well, we agree with you on socialized medicine.
But let's, you know, instead of going full on, you know, socialized medicine.
It's a question of speed.
The only difference is speed, right?
Are you going to do it at 100 miles an hour or warp speed?
That's the only difference.
Pelosi says to the Sanders people, well, we're not going to go full on socialized medicine, but we'll do a public option.
They're all moving in the same direction.
Now, compare that to Republicans.
Look at an issue like trade, like Republican leadership.
And this is a dirty secret in Washington.
You put these guys – you give these guys truth serum and ask them what they really think about trade or immigration, and too many of them will give an answer that our voters won't like.
Like you asked establishment Republicans about trade, and their views on trade and their views on immigration and their views on foreign policy are completely 180 degrees the opposite of where our voters are on those issues.
See, that's why you're anti-Sarabian.
Just in this hour of discussion, that one observation alone is 24 karat gold.
And it helps you truly understand the gulf, the chasm, not between left and right, but the chasm between Republican leadership and the people who voted in rec... I just... Guys!
Can we just stop for a second and owe the 80 million votes for the decrepit senile old guy hidden in his basement?
Let's just put this aside one second.
Donald Trump, after four years of being called a Nazi, a white supremacist, an Islamophobic misogynist, got more votes than any other incumbent president in history.
Can we just stop there for a second?
And Andy's totally right.
The gulf isn't between left and right.
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What is your advice to those listening across the nation who have lost hope, think that an election will be stolen the next time, and then...
If the president called you right now, what's the one piece of advice you'd give him for 2024?
Well, let me say this first.
I can understand why people kind of start losing faith because it seems like, hey, we fight and we fight and we fight and nothing ever changes.
But we actually are changing things.
We are having an effect.
The reason Merrick Garland is threatening You know, moms concerned about mask mandates and CRT in schools is because we're actually having an effect.
They see we have the school boards, we have the institutional left on their on their heels.
We have them on the defensive.
So the only reason the Biden administration and the federal government is becoming more and more overbearing is because they see us having success, whether it be on issues like vaccine mandates or on, you know, with the Southwest Uh, pilots, what's going on there or on issues like CRT, uh, what we're witnessing on the school boards.
So like, yeah, it's imperfect.
Yeah.
We got it.
We got to keep fighting.
Yeah.
We have a lot of, a long way to go, but people should realize that we actually are having an effect and politicians by their very nature really only care.
This is one of the first lessons I learned in politics.
Politicians by their nature care about two things.
Most of them getting elected.
and getting reelected.
So the more we can drive issues like CRT and make these politicians realize that if you push this crap on our kids, you're gonna lose your next election, the more of an effect we'll have.
As far as President Trump, look, I am not someone who's gonna sit here and give advice to President Trump.
But if he asked you, it's just a hypothetical.
I'm sorry to that.
But what I would say if he were to ask is I think he needs to basically run the gamut like he ran the gamut in 2016, go around the mainstream media Don't back down.
Plant your foot on the ground on issues that our people care about.
Be talking about stuff like CRT.
Be talking about these mandates.
Fight the good fight.
I think the single greatest fear that our voters have is that if we win again in 2024, that it will be all for naught and nothing will change.
Assange those fears.
Let people know that, look, we're going to have better personnel decisions.
We're not going to let The bureaucracy slow us down and try to try to stop us every time we're trying to do something positive.
And I think I think he's in a position where if he ran, you know, if he ran today against Joe Biden, I think he wins in a landslide.
And the problem the problem for Democrats is, let's say, hypothetically, Joe Biden doesn't run in 2024.
Their replacement for Joe Biden, I think, would lose in a bigger landslide.
So... From your lips to God's ears, that's all I'm saying, Andy.
Thank you, buddy.
I can continue for hours.
It was an honor, a delight to have you next to me in the White House.
He was special assistant to President Trump, deputy political strategist to the president.
He's now Republican strategist, spokesperson for Don Jr., Donald Trump Jr., and advising numerous senatorial campaigns where the senator or senator candidate knows what he's doing.