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Mark Davis FULL SHOW: Assessing the current nightmare, plotting a way out

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	That is the program you have found.
	Welcome to America First with Dr. Gorka.
	The more observant among you will notice right off the bat, both visually and in terms of audio, this is not Dr. Gorka.
	No siree.
	No, no, no.
	But I'll tell you what, we've probably met I'm Mark Davis here in the plush but not overly ostentatious studios of 660 AM The Answer in Dallas-Fort Worth, and you can find me on The Hugh Hewitt Show.
	In fact, you'll find me there in the morning.
	I don't know what's going on with me this week.
	Everybody needs me.
	I like to show up.
	I can frequently be found doing Dennis Prager, Larry Elder.
	And when Dr. Gorka needs me, he says jump, I say how high, because that's just the forcefulness of Dr. Gorka.
	It is great to be here for him.
	Again, Mark Davis, follow me on Twitter, at Mark Davis.
	Another entire show often takes place there.
	But for this show, the one that we have to spend together today, on this Thursday, September 30th, 2021.
	Wow, last day of September.
	Tomorrow is October.
	We are three quarters of the way, right?
	Three quarters, no math.
	I was told there would be no math.
	We're three quarters of the way through this year that was supposed to be so much better than last.
	Uh, virus wise, I guess, even though at the grip of COVID is not as pernicious as it would have been say a year ago right now, but Biden is president.
	And so politically, and in terms of the leadership that we're suffering through, there are just so many horrible things.
	Do I still feel like we're on our way out of the COVID nightmare?
	I absolutely do.
	But our path out of it.
	is encumbered by all of these governmental things and edicts and mandates and mask wars and vaccine wars.
	So here's the plan that I have.
	We have a couple of wonderful, wonderful guests today.
	One of the economists, economist Steve Moore, will join us in the next hour.
	Todd Bensman of the Center for Immigration Studies will talk some borders in our third hour.
	But leading off this hour, let's just Toss a few things around the room and see what we think at, you know, the phone number 833-33-GORKA, 833-33-G-O-R-K-A.
	And I'm going to pose some questions that, in the posing, you will learn what I'm thinking about some things.
	And let's just compare notes on, as the label on some of the video will say, gauging the current nightmare, just the current quandaries that we find ourselves in.
	Uh, and plotting a way out.
	Plotting a way out because I got to tell you, this is the worst presidency of my lifetime and it's not even close.
	Barack Obama the other day said open borders are not sustainable.
	And it made me almost nostalgic for him.
	Keyword, almost.
	But I only have my tongue planted a little bit in my cheek when I say compared to these people, and I almost don't even want to say Biden because I don't even know who's behind the curtain.
	I don't even know if he's doing many of these things, but it's his administration.
	It bears his name.
	Compared to Biden, Obama seems almost innocuous, and Clinton seems positively Churchillian.
	And I am being largely satirical here, because there are degrees of bad.
	And don't even, the time when we had Democrats like JFK, Democrats like Scoop Jackson, Democrats like Joe Lieberman.
	Yeah, I mean, look where we are now.
	Now we are asked To be grateful, oh, at least there's Joe Manchin.
	At least there's Kirsten Sinema.
	Now, I mean, they're both better than Chuck Schumer, you know, but a raging pneumonia is better than Chuck Schumer.
	I mean, where are the points of comparison?
	Which leads me to maybe one of the first things I want to address, and that's some of the news that may break during the show today.
	I don't know about you, but all these stories that gather each day about debt limits and 1.5 trillion here, 3.5 trillion there, and just trillions upon trillions that just turn the brain to jelly.
	All this talk about infrastructure and how the very definition of that word has been just wildly perverted.
	All the talk about the spending that these people in this brief era of one-party rule envision.
	There's a big part of me that just says, wake me up when it's over.
	Because all these days of intrigue, all of these stories that, well, there's division in the ranks.
	Oh, there's Democrat discord.
	Oh, momentarily, I guess.
	And it's funny because much of that comes from Republicans because we're the ones.
	We're the ones used to blood on the walls.
	We're the ones used to eating our own.
	We're the ones used to.
	There should be disagreement among Republicans because some of us are really conservative and some are really not.
	Dr. Gorka, by the way, is in an event in Oklahoma that's designed to get rid of James Lankford and replace him with a more conservative alternative.
	That's where Seb is today.
	He'll be back with you to wrap up the week tomorrow.
	So I'm just so glad to be here.
	Seb's up the road for me.
	I'm in DFW.
	He's up the road in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, southeast of Tulsa.
	Great community.
	Have a great night, Seb.
	They are blessed to have you.
	Those of us who are conservative, who are Republican, and those are not always the exact same thing, we're used to having all kinds of messy battles that tend to throw us off our game while the Democrats travel in an enviable unison lockstep.
	Now all of a sudden it seems like, for the moment, they're not doing that.
	You know, you've got your AOCs, your Pelosi's, I don't even think they like each other.
	You've got your Senators, your diehard libs like Chuck Schumer, and people who are somewhat less lib.
	Like mansion and cinema.
	And from that, there's a concoction of the moment that says, oh my, all of this is in jeopardy.
	The Biden agenda is hanging on the brink.
	It's hanging by a slender thread.
	Oh, would that that were true.
	Do you really for a moment believe that that's true?
	I don't.
	Democrats are going to Democrat to make it both a noun and a verb.
	Democrats gonna Democrat.
	So there may be the crocodile tears of AOC one day, the speculation over what Joe Manchin may or may not do on the next, but when push finally comes to shove, of course this is all going to pass.
	Of course we're going to see every dime of this horrific, unprecedented, pernicious, soul-crushing spending.
	Of course it's going to happen.
	Because they know that this glorious sliver of one-party rule isn't going to last long.
	And that's where my optimism comes from.
	As I said a moment ago, this is the worst presidency of my lifetime, and I'm 63.
	I don't remember a lot about the Eisenhower years.
	He was awesome in many ways.
	Of course, I was a baby at that time.
	But listen, Nixon, hello.
	That did not end well, but Nixon was a genius in a whole lot of ways.
	And as we just said, Clinton didn't, not a fan of Clinton at the time.
	Then came Obama, which made Clinton look less bad.
	Now comes Biden that makes Obama look, you know, better by comparison.
	This is the worst presidency of my lifetime and yours, and I don't care how old you are.
	This is off the rails, no rules, no borders, no limits on spending, no concept of maintaining our culture, no concept of adhering to norms that have made this country great for centuries.
	All of that is gone under these people.
	But many of them will soon be gone.
	And that's how I sleep at night.
	Because for the moment, and I don't know, I mean, maybe it's just listening to shows like these or hosting shows like these, as is often the case.
	I sense in you, and let's talk about that, 833-33-GORCA, 833-33-GORCA, are you ready to dig us out of this?
	And do you think that there are enough people like me, like you, I hope, who are willing to take all these energies, all this frustration, all this angst, and turn it into getting rid of...
	Some key Democrats getting rid of some key Republicans, Liz Cheney, and getting rid of all the other ne'er-do-wells and malcontents who do not have what it takes to fight the fights that lie ahead.
	And who showed us what those fights were and how to fight them?
	A gentleman named Donald Trump.
	So when we come back, I've got some questions for you.
	You may answer them at 833-33-GORKA.
	Assessing the current nightmare.
	Digging our way out.
	Glad to be here.
	It's America First with Dr. Gorka.
	I'm Mark Davis filling in, and we will continue in just a moment.
	I'm Mark Davis filling in, and we will continue and we will continue in just a moment.
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	I'm Mark Davis filling in, and we will continue in just a moment. and we will continue in just a moment.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
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	Hey, Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka.
	Great to have you here.
	833-33-GORKA.
	I got like five or six topics I just laid out in short form.
	And rather than elaborate on any or even most of those, let me hop right to calls because I think that's going to paint the portrait of where we go.
	I describe my optimism as rotten as things are right now.
	I believe we can reclaim this country.
	If I didn't, I don't know how I'd put my pants on in the morning.
	We have one of the first directions we're going to take is taking a look at the American military.
	I'm an Air Force dependent.
	My dad was 20 years in the Air Force.
	I'm a native Texan because of the Air Force.
	Born in San Antonio because of Randolph Air Force Base.
	Grew up in the suburbs of D.C.
	when dad was stationed at the Pentagon.
	And now back in my native Texas I was born here.
	I will die here hopefully no time soon.
	So the military culture runs through my veins and in doing almost 40 years of talk shows The resonant value of military service is something that never, never leaves the front of my mind, which is why this Afghanistan debacle.
	I'm a teenager for Vietnam.
	I have a historical and sort of firsthand.
	A lot of my kids, moms and dads went to Vietnam.
	Dad's in the Air Force, but he was in the Pentagon, never got sent to Vietnam, for which I'm grateful.
	But I'm also grateful for his service.
	When I think of those 13 American service members who died, so that Joe Biden could have a photo op moment by 9-11.
	If you're sitting there catching the video there at SebGorka.com, you take a look at those Those precious soldiers being brought off the back of that cargo plane in Dover.
	So unnecessary.
	So cruelly and bitterly unnecessary.
	And we are led by those people.
	And so a lot of people with some thoughts on that, so let's hop to some calls.
	I got three hours.
	I can sit here and talk about anything I want.
	People are giving us some of their time, so let's be respectful of that.
	833-33-GORKA, 833-33-GORKA, and we begin in Los Angeles.
	Brent, Mark Davis in for Seb, and welcome.
	Happy Thursday.
	How are you?
	Great.
	Hello, Mark.
	It's so nice to hear from you again.
	Hi.
	And I wanted a call to encourage all patriots to stand 100% behind Marine Hero.
	Lieutenant Colonel Stuart Scheller.
	He's an American Achilles, and he's echoing the courage, clarity, and prophecy of General Billy Mitchell when he was court-martialed for accusing his blind military leadership of being almost treasonable.
	And I think Lieutenant Scheller needs to be given a Medal of Honor.
	Biden's progressive predators at the Pentagon, like Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin and Joint Chief of Staff Milley, are the ones who should be sent to the brig and court-martialed.
	Let me ask you a question, because I'm an enormous fan of Stu Scheller, in his courage, in his phraseology, and he's 100% right.
	Here's the sticky wicket.
	We like him because we agree with him.
	Uh, if the Marines come back and say, yeah, if we give you a direct order to stay the heck off social media, you stay the heck off social media.
	That means we're essentially saying that it's okay with us.
	In fact, we kind of love that he disobeyed that order because of the content of what he said.
	You see how that might come around and bite us in the future, maybe?
	I think there's exceptions to all of our rules, and we have to see on whose side is he fighting.
	When he is clearly fighting on behalf of America, I'm going to give him a lot of slack.
	But when the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the teaching of CRT and BLM racism and bigotry and anti-Americanism at our military colleges is going on.
	I think we're dealing with clear treason and traitorous people, and we have to take their command very suspiciously.
	Brent, I appreciate it.
	Good answer.
	Appreciate it.
	Because that's the tough one, because I brought this up on my own show, and I got some pretty interesting, they weren't really challenging phone calls.
	It was folks who said, okay, we love Stu Scheller.
	We love that, because we love what he said, and he was right, and all that.
	What about some future Marine, or in any branch, who really feels passionately about something, really disagrees with the direction a given administration is going, and they tell him to zip it, and he doesn't do it.
	And maybe it's content that we're not as fond of.
	It's an interesting consistency check.
	I try to keep that in my head as often as possible.
	Brent, thank you.
	Let us roll from America's second largest city to our largest.
	Let's go to New York.
	And a horribly maligned name.
	It's a beautiful name.
	I know a lot of people with his name.
	Karen, welcome.
	Nice to have you on the program.
	Mark Davis in for Seb Gorka.
	How are you?
	Okay, yes, and you're right.
	I get that name Karen, and I'm right there in that middle age.
	Are you pulling a Karen?
	But I ignore that.
	When I was listening to you speak to The Other Caller, and you were telling your biography, and you live in San Antonio, no wonder why you can be so optimistic.
	I am a New Yorker.
	I've been a New Yorker or a Californian my whole life, and I've been a Republican my whole life, so needless to say, my vote has never counted.
	But I am forever changed since January 2020.
	Two reasons.
	One, because of the media.
	I have many friends that have no idea what's going on because the media doesn't show it.
	So when I say a tree falls in the forest, because if there's no one there to hear it.
	So they're not hearing the real news, number one.
	And number two, I'm a Catholic and I was a devout Catholic, quote unquote, what Biden says until November.
	Because I saw what lying and cheating did, and I've spoken to plenty of my priests.
	I've thrown some F-bombs to those priests to say, forgiving God, all they care about are the shepherds that get away, not the ones that try to carry on the Ten Commandments on a daily basis.
	And all of my representatives, except for Schumer, And my one local are all Catholic, and they all lie and cheat.
	Wow, okay, let's cover it.
	You've given us two broad things.
	Let's take them in order.
	First, living in California, living in New York, where you said, my vote is never counted, I feel for you, my heart bleeds.
	Absolutely, I totally get it.
	And yet, during your lifetime, Reagan won twice, Bush won twice, Trump won.
	So the good news is that outside the states where you've lived, there are other voters, like in my state of Texas, willing to do the heavy lifting.
	And if you maintain your passion and communicate with people in swing states, you can still be of great, great value in the victories to come.
	Don't let the sphere, the bubble of California or New York where you are now, suck away all of your hope.
	Now, just in a sentence, what was it that led to your, you punted, you've been a Catholic like forever, and you punted and hit the exits, and you hunted, you punted and hit the exits, exactly why?
	Hunter Biden, tell us about Hunter's email.
	What?
	Okay, just stop.
	Just stop.
	I say this out of love.
	I asked you why you left the church you loved, and the answer contained the words, Hunter Biden?
	What?
	Well, lying and cheating.
	Okay, let me rephrase that.
	Okay, who's lying and cheating?
	Exactly.
	All of my representatives.
	Think about my Catholic representatives who, when asked questions... Okay, then I've just got one last thing.
	Ultimately, do whatever you feel to do.
	I'm not going to make you stay or make you go, but just... and this is really important.
	Don't let other Catholics, lapsed Catholics, bad Catholics, unobservant, disobedient Catholics like Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi color your opinion of your participation in the church.
	If you want to go, go.
	I'll never tell you not to.
	Karen, God bless you.
	Thank you.
	But I just, I see this a lot.
	Where I've literally had people with, if Joe Biden's going to be, if that's like the picture of Catholicism in higher office, that doesn't have anything to do with you, your church, your parish, your service, your devotion to God.
	Not at all.
	Don't let them run your life.
	Mark Davidson for Dr. Gorka.
	Be right back.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	It is America First with Dr. Gorka, except not with Dr. Gorka today.
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	All right, telephone number where we're hooked up with you is 833-33-GORKA, 833-33-GORKA.
	And I've laid out some broad themes, just kind of the things that are front of mind every day, military issues, Afghanistan issues, the spending.
	I mean, literally, there may be a development.
	We're just sort of talking during the break.
	about whether this whole spending thing is going to get shoehorned in like today, where it may or may not pass.
	It may stub its toe on its way to success.
	At some point, we'll have the whole government shut down, stare down.
	And you know how those have gone, right?
	From back in the Gingrich era to a couple of years ago, and Ted Cruz of my state, good friend of mine here in Texas, was very interested in fighting against Obamacare.
	And people would always ask him, you're going to shut down the government because of this?
	And the answer was always, hell yes, if you'll excuse me.
	That if a government shutdown opens people's eyes and makes people realize just how important certain battles are, if the wheels, the grinding wheels of our far too expansive, far too collectivist government, if those come grinding to a halt every once in a while so that people can say, look, if those come grinding to a halt every once in a while so that people can say, look, this is how much I care about this, that Always seems, you know, a principled thing to me.
	However, usually Republicans, we just get our brains beaten in every time there's a government shutdown and we get blamed for it.
	In the most recent incarnation though, you know, in the Obama era, it's not like we had huge losses next election cycle.
	And so I don't think that drawing a line in the sand here is going to hurt us in 22 or 24 either.
	So we've got the whole spending thing that may or may not have some big breaking news today.
	If it does, you know you'll hear it here first.
	Mark Davis in for Seb.
	833-33-GORKA.
	Let us roll to Pittsburgh.
	And PJ, that is going to be you.
	Very nice to have you.
	Welcome to America First.
	Hey, thanks for taking my call.
	I just, you know, you were talking about How Barack, you thought he was like the worst president until we got Joe Biden.
	And now you believe that Joe Biden's agenda is even worse than Barack's agenda.
	But look, there's no way that I think that it's Joe Biden calling the shots here.
	I think, and I think most Americans think, including yourself, It's really Barack Obama.
	I don't believe that for a minute.
	I don't believe that for a minute.
	I think it's somebody worse than Obama.
	I don't know if it's Kamala Harris.
	I don't know if it's the academic eggheads gathered around him like Anthony Blinken.
	I really, really don't.
	I don't think Obama has any great interest in jacking around with any of this anymore.
	I have an opinion.
	I have to have my opinion.
	A lot of people's opinion is they are using an old white guy with dementia to push an agenda, and everything that's happened is what Obama would be doing to this country if he could, but he wouldn't do it when he was president.
	Right.
	But he wanted to do it, so he's going to use an old white guy to push his agenda, and this is Barack Obama, George Soros, and some other entities.
	And this is their agenda.
	Some people just want to see America burn.
	Yeah, I know, I know.
	It's funny, your premise I have no quarrel with, the notion that Biden is not even really pulling the levers that somebody else is.
	I just don't know if Obama up in the Hamptons is bothering himself with it, but somebody is.
	PJ, thank you enormously, appreciate it.
	Let us, with about a minute left in this sort of short segment, let me just share a couple of things about, and everybody's all...
	Geeked out about the notion of impeachment.
	Does somebody want to impeach Biden?
	Aren't there four members of the House that actually started to roll that ball down the hill?
	Okay, you want to do that?
	There's zero chance of him being removed from office.
	But, like Clinton was, and like Trump was twice, and like Andrew Johnson was, an impeachment is a thing.
	It's on your permanent record, like they told us in sixth grade.
	Do you want to do that?
	Bury ourselves in an impeachment exercise?
	Maybe we do!
	Because it is an opportunity, at least this one would have some legs under it, the notion of malfeasance, the notion of dereliction of constitutional duty, just so you know that there's zero chance that he's removed from office.
	And that when he ends up being vindicated, that I won't view it as vindication, you won't, but Democrats will.
	They'll say, look what those Republicans tried to do and Biden still survived!
	Politically and literally, one assumes.
	So you've got to sort of look downfield and see if that's where you want to go.
	Let's talk about that, too.
	833-33-GORKA.
	Mark Davis in for the doc. Back in a moment. Back in a moment.
	Back in a moment.
	Back in a moment.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	It is America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	He will return tomorrow.
	For today, it's you and me.
	Mark Davis from 660 AM The Answer in Dallas-Fort Worth.
	Proud Salem Media Group property where I do the Happy Morning Show and then on Dr. Gorka days I go grab a bite and bone up for another show and get ready to talk to y'all here which we are doing and it's a wonderful thing.
	833-33-GORKA, 833-33-GORKA.
	We have a number of conversational threads going, some of them military, some of them, you know, who's even running the Biden administration?
	Speculation abounds.
	It's like we're all writing a Tom Clancy novel on the possible answer to that question.
	We have a number of things going on.
	Let me show you a little something or share a little bit of audio, because in the whole General Milley fiasco, this discredited man, and you've got to compartmentalize.
	I thank General Milley for years, and I mean years, of honorable service to this country.
	He has honored the uniform he has worn for many, many years.
	Trump broke him.
	Like so many other people, Trump broke General Mark Milley.
	By what other explanation can you have him ratting on his own country to his communist Chinese counterpart, essentially saying, yeah, look, Trump's crazy as an outhouse rat.
	But if he decides to nuke Beijing, I will call you and tell you first.
	Okay, so just so you know, okay.
	I mean, what even is that?
	Congresswoman Vicki Hartzler, Republican of Missouri, talked with General Milley about that very thing in this week's hearings.
	Take a listen.
	I am certain, guaranteed certain, that President Trump had no intent to attack.
	And it was my task to make sure I communicated that.
	And the purpose was to deescalate, calm things down.
	You shared all that earlier, I understand.
	And as part of that... Just say, did you or did you not ask, tell him that if we were going to attack, you would let him know?
	As part of that conversation, I said, General Lee, there's not going to be a war, there's not going to be an attack between great powers.
	And if there was, the tensions would build up, there'd be calls going back and forth from all kinds of senior officials.
	I said, hell, General Lee, I'll probably give you a call, but we're not going to attack you.
	Trust me, we're not going to attack you.
	These are two great powers, and I am doing my best to transmit the President's intent, President Trump's intent, to ensure that the American people are protected from an incident that could escalate.
	I understand your intent, but I think you articulating that, that you would tell him, you would give him a call, I think is worthy of your resignation.
	I just think that's against our country, that you would give our number one adversary that information and tell him that.
	Thank you, Ms.
	Hartzler.
	Thank you very much.
	And here again, Trump broke him.
	When Trump breaks you, Trump derangement syndrome turns smart people into idiots.
	It turns center-right people into complete liberals.
	You know what Matthew Dowd is doing?
	You remember this weasel who's been on ABC doing various types of analysis?
	He was from Bush world, which might be your first signal that something was amiss.
	God bless the Bush family and their heart for service.
	Not the most conservative knives in the drawer.
	You feeling me?
	Matthew Dowd's running for lieutenant governor of my state of Texas.
	As a Democrat, because of course he is.
	Look at Bill Kristol.
	My heart breaks for the loss of Bill Kristol at the table of rational debate.
	He was always kind of a Leo about immigration, but pretty darn conservative on a lot of other things.
	And a friend, not friend like we're out for coffee, but he was on the show all the time.
	There's a Bill Kristol blurb on the back of my first book, Lone Star America, How Texas Can Save the Country, 2014.
	Regnery, thank you very much.
	And now Bill Kristol is endorsing Terry McAuliffe for governor in Virginia.
	Trump broke these people.
	He broke Liz Cheney.
	These are broken people.
	And as for General Milley, on the phone to his Chinese counterpart, here's how you handle that.
	If the Chinese think that Trump is about to nuke them, first of all, not that he's about to, but that he might if they take a step out of line, that's kind of what you want.
	Not the threat of glowing green glass, you know, on the streets of Beijing, but rather the greatness of Trump and why we were a substantially safer nation under him.
	Is that a lot of these foreign leaders, the Chinese, the Iranians, the Russians, the North Koreans, they didn't know what the heck the guy would do.
	With Biden, you kind of know, don't you?
	You know that appeasement lies ahead.
	You know that kowtowing is on the menu.
	And that does not make America safer.
	So as for General Milley, about which much will be said, And I will say much of it on this show, and perhaps you would like to join us at 833-33-GORKA.
	This is a man who has served honorably, but Trump broke him.
	And when Trump breaks you, it sometimes reaches into your heart and into your brain and pulls out the liberalism, whatever liberalism that is there, and lays it out for the world to see.
	So it was Trump hatred that put Milley on the phone to his Chinese counterpart.
	And it was Milley's inherent liberalism that led him to become an enormous fanboy for critical race theory.
	This was the guy who told Congress, I want to know what white rage is.
	And our soldiers and sailors and Marines, they need to be aware of these battles that are being fought and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	No, sir, we need to win wars.
	Anything that helps us win wars is good.
	Anything that is deleterious to the goal of us winning wars is bad.
	We are in North Hollywood.
	On the phones, Mike.
	Hi, Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
	How are you?
	Hey, Mike.
	Am I going once?
	That will accrue to the benefit of Billy in Florida.
	Welcome, sir.
	Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
	Happy Thursday.
	How you doing?
	Hey, I am excellent, Mr. Mark.
	Thank you for having me on.
	Long-time fan of the show, first-time caller.
	I just wanted to touch on one thing.
	North of $80 billion left in Afghanistan from this president that we hardly ever see, and I am a native of Scranton, Pennsylvania.
	They went and they took one of my favorite roads, the Scranton Expressway.
	Yeah.
	Named it the Biden Expressway.
	Oh, well.
	Like, how could you fail that hard and still have this recognition?
	Well, when did they do it?
	When did they change the name?
	I just got news of it yesterday.
	Our local news is WNEP there.
	If you look it up in the sources.
	It probably happened.
	Think about it.
	Renaming a road takes some time.
	The wheels turn at a glacial pace.
	They probably figured it would be a good idea to do this, I don't know, right after he won the presidency.
	You know, how could they know how badly things were going to go?
	Actually, my dog knew how badly things were going to go, just saying.
	Billy, thank you.
	Appreciate it enormously.
	Okay, more of you are next.
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	Mark Davis, follow me on Twitter at Mark Davis.
	That makes sense.
	And we'll continue with more of you in just a moment.
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	It is America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka, who will return to the program that bears his name tomorrow.
	Mark Davis filling in from 660 AM, The Answer, in Dallas, Fort Worth.
	I knocked out a morning show, did a little more research, see what's going on in the world.
	Come back, talk to you here on the Dr. Gorka program where it's a joy to be.
	And let's grab some more calls, 833-33-GORKA, 833-33-GORKA, as we head next to the fine Tar Heel State of North Carolina, Marty!
	Hi, Mark Davis in for Seb.
	Hey!
	How are you?
	How are you today?
	I'm good, thank you.
	First-time caller listening to the show every night.
	I'm a Democrat.
	Voted for Trump.
	If they want to mandate masks, let's make Trump masks.
	No, that is a beautiful idea.
	Oh sure, I'll wear your mask, but it's got a big Trump face or a MAGA logo.
	I'll tell you Marty, thank you.
	At first I thought, thanks, at first I thought that might be something for the Seb Gorka store, but in a weird way, if we manufacture some type of Trump mask or a MAGA mask, I mean we got mugs, we got tumblers, all at SebGorkaStore.com and all kinds of t-shirts and all kinds of wonderful things.
	But if the Gorka store would manufacture a mask, and why, there's the Gorka store right there on the video feed.
	Look at all those delightful things that you can get.
	Some America First wear, some MAGA stuff, some say, I'm a MAGA man, I'm a MAGA gal.
	I have a feeling if we did a Trump mask, that would imply that you're supposed to wear one.
	And that might be some type of mixed messaging, so I don't know.
	Maybe we can, if you're in a situation where a mask is going to be mandatory, you gotta fly or something like that, then maybe you manufacture your own and just see how that goes on United or I actually took my first flight in almost two years.
	My dear, dear uncle, Dr. Alton Little of Bowling Green, Kentucky, passed away at nearly 87.
	What a magnificent man, an educator, a great father, a great uncle, a great preacher, just a wonderful man.
	But he passed, and I wasn't going to get on a plane for anything.
	There's nowhere I need to go, and I don't like the idea of wearing a stupid mask on a plane.
	But, you know, when you gotta go, you gotta go.
	And I did have to go.
	So I flew from Dallas to from Love Field to Nashville and then drove the rest of the way.
	Hour and 40 minute flight.
	And if it's a place where I've got to have the stupid mask, I'm not gonna freak out or, you know, revolt or anything like that.
	We'll all get through this together.
	But on the plane, airport plus plane plus airport at the destination end, it drove me insane.
	It drove me absolutely out of my brain.
	It was Southwest.
	And by the way, Southwest did great.
	Nothing against the airline.
	This is a government thing.
	They are making the airlines do this to us.
	And they are dogging in their pursuit of it.
	We didn't have any dust-ups.
	We didn't have any fistfights.
	Everybody was in high spirits.
	Everybody was obedient.
	It all worked out fine.
	But it drove me insane that I had to wear it.
	We're putting 75,000 people in football stadiums.
	We're just right here.
	You got somebody right here as you root for the team of your choice.
	And yet you can't be mask-free on a plane where the air is supposedly not just recycled, but replaced every three minutes?
	That's what Southwest says, and I believe them.
	It was ridiculous that I had to wear that mask on that plane.
	Now, here's the thing.
	If an airline wants to have a mask requirement, their rule, do what you want to do.
	It is time to free the airlines and have one airline step in, step into the strike zone, take one for the team, and say, we are the mask optional airline.
	Wonder how that would go.
	I'd fly them somewhere that I don't even want to go.
	Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka, one hour down, two to go.
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	It is America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka, hour number two.
	Mark Davis filling in from 660 AM.
	The answer in Dallas-Fort Worth where I've just completed, well not just completed, it was earlier today, my own happy morning show.
	And we went slogging through some of the topics of the day, some of which have marinated a little more now that we're here, depending on your time zone in the late afternoon, middle of the day, wherever you may be.
	And wherever you may be, we got a phone line that is available for you at 833-33-GORKA.
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	Rumble.com slash SebGorka for video things.
	And of course, Seb Gorka Store for all the cool stuff we were talking about, all the merch we were talking about last hour.
	But just a moment ago, and this is just on the fly, so this will just be audio only, let's listen together.
	It's just a couple of seconds of Chris Christie.
	He was on with Martha McCallum, and we were talking about, you know, mask wars, vaccine wars, wars over mandates, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
	But here's just a little bit of Chris Christie.
	And it's funny because it's Chris Christie, right?
	And what do we think of him?
	Um, presidential campaign didn't go so great.
	Good governor of New Jersey, better than the Democrat governor of New Jersey.
	Lately, since he's been in this sort of, um, he'll show up on This Week with Stephanopoulos sometimes, and maybe that's just by comparison, by comparison, he's the smartest person in that room because he's hanging out with Stephanopoulos.
	But, um, I don't know, Christie, Christie may be improving.
	And part of my interest in this is that Christie may be running.
	Because I know there's all this and I don't think anybody knows.
	No, I don't even, I don't think Donald Trump himself knows if he's going to run.
	I mean, the talk show host in me says yes, but I, you know, the conservative in me says awesome.
	But there's also an argument that says, let's find somebody with a Trumpian energy and focus.
	And his ability to steamroll the left, and maybe that's DeSantis.
	Lord, I love me some Ron DeSantis.
	Maybe it's Mike Pompeo, who's on like every TV show I can find.
	I mean, I think he was on Home Shopping the other day.
	I was like, wow, it's Mike Pompeo.
	Maybe it's Tom Cotton.
	I don't know.
	Nikki Haley wants you to think it's Nikki Haley.
	Don't know about that.
	But a little bit of just within the last 20-30 minutes, Chris Christie on Fox.
	Look, this is the vaccine mandate and the problem with the vaccine issue goes all the way back to the campaign you remember last year when Kamala Harris said, I won't take a vaccine that's approved by the Trump FDA.
	She put in people's minds that there was something political about the vaccine when there was never anything political about the vaccine.
	She started that craziness and it's continued from here.
	And now, instead of trying to convince people and have a huge public education campaign about how well tested this is and how good it is in preventing this disease, we're minimizing it.
	Instead, they're saying, you'll take it because we tell you so.
	Well, all that's going to do is harden opposition to it, Martha, and now it's creating all these other...
	Absolutely foreseeable consequences.
	That's exactly right.
	It's the weirdest thing in the world.
	It's like nobody has studied psychology at all.
	If the idea is to get people to take the vaccine and if the idea, and it came from Trump, thank you Operation Warp Speed, And then the minute it became something Biden wanted you to do, a lot of people went, well, now I'm not going to do it.
	And we can talk about that all day.
	And now we probably will.
	But if the idea is to get more people to do it, the way you... Let me lay all the cards on the table.
	I am a vaccinated person, and I'm very glad to be.
	And all other things being equal, knock yourself out and you go do it too, if you want to.
	If you don't want to, this remains America.
	It remains a free country for the moment.
	If a company wants you to get the vaccine, here's some tough news everybody.
	They can probably do that.
	You may not like it, I may not like it, but can they do it?
	The question is, are they legally Well-founded in doing so, it appears at the moment that they are.
	So it's kind of a marketplace thing.
	So in the marketplace, if somebody's doing a vaccine, some company's doing a requirement you don't like, you can stop doing business with that company.
	You can stop working for that company.
	All manner of things.
	I'll tell you one thing that's clear as a bell.
	None of this is the president's business.
	The president the other day, in that Orwellian authoritarian nightmare of a speech, That's a great thing for the modern economy, isn't it?
	Well, with only the ones with fewer than 100 or more than 100, excuse me, more than 100 people.
	That's great.
	You know how many companies are going to fire people?
	It's like Obamacare.
	If you've got something that is at a certain employee level, well, we'll just fire enough people so that we don't have to comply.
	That's a great thing for the modern economy, isn't it?
	Anyway, none of this is the president's business, and he wraps it in the framework of OSHA, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.
	Oh.
	OSHA's business is if you have a coal mine and the roof is about to cave in.
	OSHA's business is if you have a factory and there's all kinds of sharp objects that are going to slice your employees' hands to ribbons in manufacturing widgets.
	That's an OSHA issue.
	OSHA has never been, and must never be, an instrument for the shoehorning and cram-down of broad health policy.
	This thing is not going to last in court.
	I am confident of that.
	But Governor Christie made a really superb psychological point.
	And if these folks in the Biden White House had a clue, they would say, look, if we want more people to get vaccinated, just roll out more people.
	LeBron James the other day.
	I got no use for LeBron James.
	But there's LeBron saying, you know what?
	I'm vaccinated.
	I've thought about it.
	I went ahead and did my research.
	The proud proclamation of the moment.
	And I, you know, I got vaccinated.
	I'm not going to tell anybody else what to do, but that's what I did.
	Roll out a bunch more people like that.
	What you do not do is berate them, ostracize them, insult them, because as Governor Christie said, that's just going to make people dig in even more.
	All right, 833-33-GORKA, 833-33-GORKA.
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	Let's go to Cleveland.
	Alan, not Alan Freed, I'm guessing.
	Alan, Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
	How are you doing?
	Oh, fine.
	How are you?
	Great, thank you.
	I love when you come up here or when you sub for our guys.
	I don't think I can get your program during the day.
	I love it when you come up here and sub for Dennis or Bob or whatever.
	You're doing a great job.
	Anyway, what I called to talk about was, I love me some Donald Trump, okay?
	He did a lot for this country, and I would love to see him back in the presidency.
	My concerns are, A, if he wins, we're in for a whole S-load of trouble with the Democrats.
	I mean, they're going to start an impeachment right away again.
	I mean, the turmoil is going to be unprecedented.
	And then if he doesn't win, then we're in for four more years of democratic rule.
	Untenable.
	I hear this a lot, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, but let me distill it down into a paragraph and tell me if this encapsulates what you're talking about.
	Thank God for Trump.
	Thank God for every day he was president.
	But moving forward, there might be some wisdom in finding his heart, his strength, his sharp edges, his energy in another package.
	As you, I love I don't think so.
	I really don't.
	And Alan, thank you.
	I want to make sure that we tied a bow around that and that I did so accurately.
	I'm just agnostic on this, I guess.
	and he isn't going to put up with any, you know.
	I don't think so.
	I really don't.
	And Alan, thank you.
	I want to make sure that we tied a bow around that and that I did so accurately.
	Here's, you know, I'm just agnostic on this, I guess.
	I mean, that is a rhetorical point.
	If Trump runs or doesn't run, if he came out tomorrow and first of all, there's no way he comes out tomorrow.
	I love all these people who say he's going to run and he's going to tell us by like Christmas.
	Of 21?
	Are you high?
	He's not gonna do any such thing.
	He's gonna keep the powder dry hang him.
	What he's going to do And I'll tell you what, Dr. Gorka knows him knows him.
	I think I've studied him and I'm good at studying people in the following.
	Sometimes if you know him know him, a certain personal affectation may tilt your objectivity a little bit.
	I've watched the man like a hawk for a long time and loved every minute of doing so.
	I think he is loving every minute of this.
	And by this I mean the speculation as to whether he will run.
	And if I'm a betting man, and I'm really not, that's why, if, I think he will enjoy this until...
	The fall of year after next, when people are starting to announce and doing exploratory committees, because he doesn't need any of that.
	He could grab Melania and come down the gliding escalator at Trump Tower anytime he wants with almost no notice.
	I mean, there's paperwork, always paperwork.
	But if he's going to do it, I think we'll know.
	Snap of a finger.
	If he's not, I think he's going to wait and have everybody think he is, because it enables him to take up space rent-free in every leftist's head, and then even if he does not run, he still remains the most important politician in America.
	Obviously.
	If he doesn't run, he can be a kingmaker, an anointer, an oracle of sorts.
	I know that imagery will be mocked by people that hate him, but as someone who loved every day of his presidency, there's something incredibly exciting about him Nurturing along a DeSantis, shoving along, shoving, ushering along a Pompeo or a Tom Cotton, and saying, listen, I'm going to show you how to get this done, and having that person open to his sage guidance.
	Just thinking, a guy can dream.
	Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka, back with more of your calls in just a moment.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	It is the Thursday, September 30th edition of America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka who returns tomorrow.
	I'm Mark Davis filling in from 660 AM The Answer in Dallas-Fort Worth where I got my own happy local morning show and it was great prep for this experience doing that this morning because we were talking about a lot.
	of what we're talking about here.
	A lot of continuing blowback from the testimony of the top brass there in the congressional hearings.
	A lot of mask and vax and COVID policy wars.
	A lot of Afghanistan talk.
	A lot of spending talk.
	A wonderful economist, Steve Moore, will be joining us, and he's done so much work for FreedomWorks and written so much in Wall Street Journal, etc., etc.
	He's just one of my favorite economists, and he is along two segments from Now, and we'll do a big burst of immigration with Todd Bensman of the Center for Immigration Studies.
	That'll be in the third hour.
	So I think you're getting the vibe.
	A lot of borders, a lot of masks and vaxes, a lot of military policy, and wrapped around all of these things, some really honest strategizing about how we dig out of this nightmare.
	Things are as bad as they have ever been in my lifetime.
	That's 63 years of it in terms of the leadership or lack of at the helm of this country.
	And yet I maintain optimistic to my core.
	I maintain optimism.
	I remain optimistic.
	I remain upbeat about our chances of digging out of this and not just surviving but thriving.
	Who's with me on that?
	Telephone number again, 833-33-GORKA, 833-33-GORKA, and we are in Brooklyn.
	And Judy, that is you, Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka.
	Welcome.
	How are you doing?
	Hi, Mr. Davis.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	I'm calling because I want to say this, if I may.
	As much as I like the Santos for sure and Pompeo, I doubt that they could bring together Hundreds of thousands of followers that Trump's rallies and Trump himself has been able to gather all this time.
	It's like amazing, awesome, never seen before.
	I kind of believe that Trump has probably over 200 million people right now loving him.
	I believe that.
	Maybe even more.
	And you know what?
	I feel he has that charismatic it factor.
	Oh, no doubt.
	When he engages with his audience and as a billionaire businessman with hands-on experience now in the political arena as well.
	You know, he's the original with great ideas, initiatives, and there's no duplicate.
	There just isn't.
	You know, and I don't care.
	I think you are 100% correct.
	You're 100% correct.
	You're unbelievably spot on.
	Let's say it is DeSantis and we all love him.
	Let's say it winds up being a Pompeo, a Cotton, we all love him, etc.
	It's all great.
	There's no way they will, there will be no 50,000 people at a, well, you know what?
	A DeSantis rally.
	A DeSantis rally.
	I don't think it'll be the same, but there's something about the vibe that DeSantis has going on right now.
	I mean, this early out, and that's why a lot of people are concerned about him flaming out too early.
	It's like, wow, you're front-loading, man.
	Now let's, you know, let's roll this out in a more, because they know there's already DeSantis derangement syndrome.
	You're absolutely right, Judy.
	But maybe the guy who can put 50,000 people in a stadium overnight, maybe it's time for that guy to take that incomparable charisma that you properly identify and bestow it and anoint it on a successor, a proper heir to the revolution.
	Maybe?
	Well, I'm not afraid.
	I'm not afraid for him to make waves again.
	I'm not afraid for these people.
	We've got to push them back, and I think the country has been fed up with all of this outrageous, communistic-style tactics that we're under, that we can't tell the truth about anything, you know?
	It's unbelievable.
	That is the thing.
	Judy, you're totally right.
	Thank you enormously.
	I appreciate it.
	And in fact, in making the list, if you were to make one, of the attributes that Trump brought to the job that were the most valuable.
	Policies are what matter most.
	The Supreme Court, the deregulation, the tough borders.
	Policies are always what's going to matter most out of any presidency.
	But attitudinally, maybe the most lasting legacy, because we've had presidents in my lifetime that had really good policies, presidents that had really lousy policies.
	Where is Trump singular?
	Where is he unique?
	The degree to which he beat down the left every day with every breath, the most effective M1 Abrams tank against the stranglehold that the left has had on every corridor of American life.
	That stranglehold was loosened every day by The force of his will.
	Now, did it come accompanied with, you know, the mean tweets and some momentary eccentricities?
	Yeah, I guess.
	Did I care?
	Never.
	Never.
	Sure, I'd love all my presidents to be wise, disciplined philosopher kings.
	Not going to happen.
	So if the price for the Trump presidency was the occasional day where I went, whoa, wow, about the inauguration crowd or about something, it's just whatever.
	None of that matters.
	And that's why Republicans, Republicans.
	Who got their shorts in a wad about all of that.
	Drove me insane.
	Guys, focus, focus!
	Supreme Court, borders, deregulation, taxes, pro-business atmosphere.
	And you're sitting here telling me that he was mean to John McCain?
	What's the matter with you?
	What is the matter with you?
	Focus!
	So, moving forward, if it is DeSantis, you know, the thing that attracts me to him the most, policies, absolutely.
	Listen, there are a lot of really good conservatives that could be the 47th President of the United States.
	A lot of them.
	Not a whole lot, but maybe five or six I could come up with that I'd be really enthusiastic about their candidacies.
	The thing about DeSantis that he's already displaying is that penchant for just kicking the left in the crotch, if you'll pardon me.
	Just zero tolerance, going after it, making clear that he will not suffer fools gladly.
	That is incredibly important to the messaging.
	It is incredibly important to inspiring people to come vote for you.
	We are in Silver Spring, Maryland.
	Victor, hey, Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
	Welcome.
	How are you, sir?
	Hey, it's good to hear your voice.
	I remember you on the local radio station.
	Yes, sir.
	Back in the 90s.
	Yes, sir.
	And at the time, the restaurants had a Mark Davis room.
	Yeah, we did.
	I had the great ill fate of being on WRC while Rush was on WMAL.
	They had the Rush rooms.
	They set up the Mark rooms.
	You could hold it in a very small deli.
	Yeah.
	Later on, though, I atoned by filling in for Rush for a few years, and may God rest his soul.
	Got about 60 seconds.
	They're all yours.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, you wouldn't believe what you've missed since you've been gone.
	We had Martin O'Malley and the rain tax.
	Yep.
	And everybody fled to northern Virginia and now we're in that state.
	Yep.
	You got the school board meetings in Virginia that's gone absolutely crazy.
	But aren't those great though?
	And isn't Glenn Youngkin going to beat Terry McAuliffe?
	Oh yes, after what McAuliffe said the other night, that parents don't have a right to say what's in the kid's school.
	That was a basket of deplorables moment, I believe it.
	And yes, the DC, Maryland, Virginia area, it's not the way it was when I grew up there in the 60s or when I got a chance to swim back through there in the 90s.
	But I'll tell you what, we got listeners there and we appreciate you and we thank you very, very much for hanging out.
	And Virginia is not a blue state yet.
	And I think that can be delayed.
	I absolutely believe that Glenn Youngkin can beat Terry McAuliffe.
	If you're not familiar with what Victor was just talking about, in a debate night before last, they were talking about the uprisings of parents showing up in Loudoun County, just west of D.C., and some other places, saying, look at these books, look at this critical race theory, it's insane.
	And Terry McAuliffe said, I just don't believe that parents should be telling schools what to teach.
	Keep it coming, Terry.
	Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Don't some licks from ACDC improve any talk show just like no matter what is going on?
	And the double good news is we're hanging out together on America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Dr. Gorka's back tomorrow.
	I'm Mark Davison for Seb from 660 AM, The Answer, in Dallas, Fort Worth.
	And now time for a little exercise we call Everything is Relative.
	In the last segment, a gentleman calls from the D.C., Maryland, Virginia area, talking about how so many things are sliding off the moorings there, and about how Virginia in particular seems to be just getting bluer and bluer.
	And then I told the gentleman, yeah, but hang on a second, because coming up here in just a few weeks, isn't Glenn Youngkin likely to be the next governor of Virginia?
	And I spoke of that with some relative enthusiasm.
	Sure, compared to Terry McAuliffe, Now, compared to, oh, I don't know, me, Glenn Youngkin is a center-right squish.
	So everything is relative.
	So is Glenn Youngkin as conservative as I'd like every governor to be?
	No.
	Is he DeSantis?
	No.
	Is he Abbott?
	No.
	Is he pick the governor or pick the conservative of your choice?
	No.
	There are some areas where Glenn Youngkin is not as conservative as I'd like everybody to be.
	But is he on any day better than Governor Terry McAuliffe?
	Absolutely.
	So if we get after Governor Blackface, Ralph Northam, if we get Glenn Youngkin instead of Terry McAuliffe, that is a decidedly better option.
	And then moving forward, if Virginia wants to become Texas, Florida, Utah, Alabama, Iowa, and start electing real conservatives, well, you know, we blazed a trail there.
	All right, telephone number again, 833-33-GORKA, 833-33-GORKA.
	Steve Moore, economist extraordinaire, coming up in our next segment to talk a little bit about whether this really is a zero-dollar spending package.
	Oh, my goodness.
	We are in California, and Paul, that is you.
	It's a pleasure to have you on America First.
	Mark Davison for Seb.
	How are you doing?
	Hi, Mark.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	You bet.
	One quick extracurricular comment regarding something you said earlier, which was about Lieutenant Colonel Schlechter.
	I agree with you, the idea that he knew what he was doing and when he followed up on his Facebook and did that against the orders we did.
	The thing about it is that when you are going to do civil disobedience, you have to be willing to take the punishment.
	I think what's unfair They put him in the brig for what he did.
	Violating that, going into the brig, putting people in jail for that is probably excessive.
	We've got people who are stealing cars and shooting people who are being released the same day with zero bail.
	And then we've got people who are trespassing in the Capitol.
	Or people who are going on Facebook who are ending up in custody.
	That's wrong.
	It is the era of selective over-punishment.
	All right, what was your other point?
	My main point, though, I called in, I thought that there was a question asked of Austin yesterday that completely got glossed over.
	I thought his answer was really important.
	And that was, whose idea or was the DOD behind the idea of delaying the evacuation of Americans out of Afghanistan.
	And Austin amazingly came forward, and very hesitantly, but then said, no, that idea, not to evacuate Americans earlier, was the Department of State's idea.
	And their reason was, they were concerned that if Americans started being evacuated earlier, that the Afghan government would fall.
	And no one followed up on that by saying, So basically what you're saying is we used Americans as decoys and as a ruse to prop up the Afghan government.
	Paul, that is sound analysis.
	That is sound analysis.
	You're absolutely correct.
	And these hearings, some in the Senate, some in the House, have been a rich wellspring of observations where people, where these guys, sometimes their non-answers say more than their answers.
	Paul, let me thank you enormously in our minute or so before we hop out of this.
	Who was it?
	It was Senator Roger Wicker, Republican of Mississippi, who said on the Senate hearings day, He basically asked, how many Americans did we leave behind?
	And General Milley, General McKenzie, and Secretary Austin all said, you've got to ask the State Department.
	And Roger Wicker then recalled, well, that's kind of funny because last time we had Tony Blinken in here and we asked him some questions, his answer was essentially, you got to ask the Defense Department.
	And so there's just this tag team lack of accountability going on here.
	And the American people are going to demand accountability.
	And I'm trying to remember a lot of these questions and answers blur together to me.
	Out of Louisiana.
	There was a congressman who had asked, only three things are possible here.
	Only three things are possible.
	Either the president lied, the president did not remember the advice given to him by his top generals, or you guys are not being truthful with us.
	Which is it?
	Which is it indeed?
	All right, let's talk a little spending and some other economic things with Steve Moore, and then right back on the phones with you with the 12 other topics that we have going on at the same time.
	They say you can't keep all these plates spinning.
	We're doing it!
	Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka.
	Stick around. Stick around.
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	It is the last day of December.
	It is Thursday, September 30th, and this is America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Mark Davis filling in for Seb.
	He will return tomorrow.
	Just piggybacking off the end of the last segment, we're at a Biden moment.
	The congressman whom I quoted without having his name at the tip of my tongue is Congressman Mike Johnson.
	There's essentially three possibilities.
	Either you guys are lying, Biden's lying, or he's totally forgotten what his generals are saying.
	That was 4th District of Louisiana Congressman Mike Johnson, who is awesome.
	Speaking of people who are awesome, it's like a parlor game.
	How many shows can I interview Steve Moore on?
	My own show or what I'm filling in virtually anywhere else in Salem land.
	What a pleasure to welcome the author of Trumponomics, and a gentleman who's done so many things with FreedomWorks, Club for Growth, so many things.
	It's an economist's economist.
	Steve Moore, welcome to America First, Steve.
	How are you doing?
	Hey, Mark.
	I am doing so well.
	I've got some really great news for you, Mark.
	We may pass a $5 trillion spending bill, and it is absolutely free.
	It will cost you nothing, my friend, and you will get free health care, you will get free rental assistance, you'll get free child care, you'll get free burial services, you will get free food if you can't pay your bills, you will get unemployment insurance if you can't find a job, and this is going to cost you absolutely nothing!
	It's free!
	And you can believe me, because that's what Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden are saying.
	Exactly right, and they surely would not mislead us.
	They wouldn't roll Jen Psaki out there to tell us that this multi-trillion thing is actually free.
	And the most important thing we can do, following off that delicious moment of satire, is tell people why that is a steaming load of nonsense.
	And the logic, such as it is, that they're trying to use, is because they say that it's paid for.
	What is the treachery of that line from them, where they say, hey, it's all paid for.
	By what?
	Yeah, well, okay, so I hope nobody listening to this show believes that only people who make less than $440,000 or pay more than $440,000 are paying for this.
	This is going to hurt every single American.
	If you have a job, if you have an employer, it's small business taxes.
	It's taxes on American companies.
	They're going to pass a lot of those taxes on to us.
	It's going to cause the inflation tax, which is already affecting all of us.
	So you're going to see they have they have gas taxes and they have car taxes in here.
	It's every the cost of everything will go up, obviously.
	But the other point is that their numbers don't add up.
	I mean, they are so bad at math, Mark.
	So it's a five trillion dollar spending bill, as the Wall Street Journal pointed out this week.
	It's not three and a half trillion.
	It's five trillion dollars, which is more money than we spent to fight World War I, World War II, the Civil War, the Revolutionary War, the Cold War to build the interstate highway system.
	and the Transcontinental Railroad.
	That's how much they want to spend this year.
	And so, you know, we're talking about a massive amount of money.
	So they have $5 trillion of spending, and they have, by best estimate, somewhere between about $2 trillion of taxes.
	So that means they're, is my math wrong here?
	They're still $3 trillion short.
	And that means it's not paid for.
	They are no more bad at math than they are inept at the border.
	And by that I mean they know exactly what they're doing.
	This is the plan.
	It's to snow us.
	It's to see what they can get away with because not only do they not care about the deleterious effects of what they're doing, they actually want them at the border.
	They want a flood of a needy underclass for perpetual Democrat voting.
	And in terms of this spending, they want this expansionist, collectivist government that never ends because the more it hurts the country, Well, that's a question I always ask people.
	Do you think they're doing this intentionally to just make Americans more dependent on government?
	And people, I'd say seven out of ten people say, of course that's what they're doing.
	Liberals want American workers and families to be dependent on government and their goodwill.
	And these are such generous people with our money out there.
	It's amazing how generous they are.
	And so I think, I don't know if it's deliberate or not, but they are getting rid of all the work requirements, by the way.
	We, you know, back in 1995, we had welfare reform under Bill Clinton, a Democrat.
	Where we actually require people to work or to be in school or to be in training.
	You know, you could just sit around and watch Netflix on the couch and collect checks.
	This bill eviscerates all of the, all of the work requirements of welfare reform.
	So all you have to do is just sign up for the money.
	Then we, they have tax rates that will go up.
	Oh yeah, cash the rich, soak them, hit them hard, eat the rich.
	Well, you know what?
	These are small business owners.
	And our small business tax will be one of the highest taxes in the world.
	So it's going to kill.
	This is a war on small business.
	Then they say, oh, we're going to pass those big evil American corporations.
	Our corporate tax in America will be.
	Are you ready for this, Mark?
	We're going to have a higher corporate tax if Biden has his way than communist China.
	I can't read minds, Steve.
	I can't read minds, but this is what leads to my gut feeling that this is intentional.
	It's because I don't think these people are that stupid.
	There are always two choices.
	Either they're dumb as a mud fence, or it's treachery.
	And I'm always going to go with B, because it is so self-evident.
	Again, my dog knows where this leads, where this book ends, if it does not change.
	And it's a continuing underclass, expansionist, collectivist government.
	That is exactly what they want.
	So I'm going to go with that until I have a reason to believe otherwise.
	Good answer.
	Stop saying that!
	Stop saying that.
	Stop saying that.
	Remember those old TV commercials?
	Well, Gary, we're going to send you this grill, and we're going to throw in for free, you know, free dishes, and we're going to give you a screwdriver.
	And I'm not done yet.
	Everything's free.
	If you think it's too good to be true, it probably is.
	It almost certainly is.
	In our last couple of minutes, let's talk a little bit about the COVID economy.
	I feel like the economy is trying to do what a free market economy wants to do, and that's bust out with more growth, more employment.
	A Biden presidency and one party rule is kind of a backstop against that.
	How do you see the COVID economy going as we go from 21 to 22?
	Well, the economy is doing well, very well right now.
	I mean, we do have an inflation problem and that's due to the over government spending and a Fed that is behind the curve in terms of raining back on some of all this, you know, this helicopter money.
	But the economy is strong.
	It's very strong.
	Look at the stock market.
	I mean, my God, it's been, it's been, you know, just a rocket ship.
	And so this is mostly due to the vaccine.
	that Trump gave us in Operation Warp Speed, which really got America's back to work and our business is back up and running.
	America came out of COVID economically more healthy than any other country in the world, virtually.
	So we have a lot to be proud of.
	We have, Trump did not get enough credit for what he did to get us through this.
	He made mistakes, but for the most part, and I'll tell you this, Mark. - But 10 seconds, Steve, go ahead. - In 2020, there's no doubt in my mind that he would have shut down the entire American economy.
	So things are good, but... Alright, could be better.
	We're working on that.
	Steve Moore, follow him on Twitter, at Steven Moore with a PH, at Steven Moore.
	Steve Moore on America First with Dr. Gorka.
	Mark Davis filling in.
	in.
	Be right back.
	Be right back.
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	Thank you.
	Final segment of hour number two.
	We are flying through things and through segments and calls and topics.
	I've got a lot of things I haven't even brought up yet for the third hour, so don't move.
	Make it a part of your day.
	Let's see who we can talk to here in our dwindling moments here of hour number two.
	Phone number, as you know, is 833-33-GORKA.
	Jay has been hanging out in Colorado Springs and deserves some time here.
	Welcome, sir.
	Hi, Jay.
	Mark Davison for Seb.
	Welcome.
	Happy Thursday.
	Hey, Mark, I appreciate your talented analysis.
	Great.
	You're great work.
	Keep it up.
	Keep up the good work.
	Thanks.
	A couple things.
	First, I think the Democrat agenda, I don't think it's going to work for the Democrats or for the country.
	There's too much incompetence.
	It's too destructive.
	Secondly, in terms of the economy, Well, first on the Democrat agenda, I think there's transcendental forces that are unforeseen in the future, and we've already seen that with the coronavirus.
	Nobody could have predicted that.
	And I think there's some international things that are going to happen that will be beyond the Democrats' ability to deal with.
	Well, just conflict.
	It could be terrorism.
	It could be a conflict with Israel.
	It could be a conflict with China.
	We don't know, see?
	That's unforeseen.
	And so those transcendental forces are unforeseen.
	But we know, based on history, that they can happen.
	And I just see that the Democrat agenda is going to be undone.
	Then in 60 seconds, because you start out by saying the Democrat agenda is not even going to work for Democrats, the reason Biden is president right now, I know that's a long story, is that half-ish of the country thinks he's great, or at least they did when they voted for him.
	Half the country believes in everything you and I think is crazy.
	Do you believe that's becoming less so and that might pave the way for some future Republican success in the near term?
	I do.
	I do believe that we're going to get some good results.
	People in there.
	I think a lot of the half of the country that voted for Biden's in denial.
	I think there's some buyers.
	I would love this would be a great time for some honest buyers remorse.
	Jay, best to everybody in Colorado Springs.
	Here is it.
	And again, there's no math.
	I promise no math.
	But here is the equation, if you will, the formula non-numerically.
	Here's how it goes.
	In order to have the kind of success that we would like to have in order to have the kind of of rebound we'd like to see.
	So take back the House, as I totally believe we'll do next year, and maybe take back the Senate as well.
	And then slightly longer game, please, Lord, return not just any Republican, but a Trump-style Republican in 2024.
	Some things have to happen.
	We have to have an energized conservative base.
	If we have some McCain, Romney, just no, just no.
	There must be an energized, conservative base.
	Somebody that you and I and Dr. Gorka are real thrilled about.
	And that's a high bar.
	And the other thing is we've got to have a lot of independence.
	We've got to have some voters who are in the mushy middle look at these Biden years and saying, man, this is awful.
	I've had enough of this.
	Got to have both those things.
	Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
	Be right back for our number three.
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	I'm Mark Davis.
	Two hours in, one to go, and it's just been a joy.
	It's been great slinging hot topics with you, going through some of the big events of the day, and trying to inject some hope and some optimism into what are truly dark times.
	And I think with the energy that comes off shows like Dr. Gorka, And the various other shows that we're proud to have here under the Salem Media Group umbrella, and a ton of local hosts strewn across the country like me here in DFW.
	Listen, if conservative talk radio had as much power as some people think it did, Obama never would have won, and Lord knows Biden wouldn't be president, and we probably wouldn't have had Clinton either.
	But what we can do is we can reflect the kind of optimism, reflect the kind of energy and hopefully stoke it and generate it so that as we move forward, we can have some victories, not just for our side.
	It's funny because the things that I fight for as a conservative, the things that I fight for being pro-life, I don't do that because I'm conservative.
	I do it because I'm a human being.
	When I fight for strong borders, I don't do that because I'm a Republican.
	I do it because I think it's good for my country, objectively good for my country.
	And the converse of that is also true.
	If there are liberal ideas that I battle against, it's not just because that guy's a liberal and I don't like him.
	It's because I believe that those ideas are inherently bad.
	Open borders, sacrificing the unborn for consequence-free sex, extravagant, ridiculous, profligate spending.
	These are ideas that I don't just like because there's a letter D by them.
	I oppose them because I think they're inherently bad for the country.
	Now, a couple of things to pay attention to as we get ready to go back to a bunch more of your calls at 833-33-GORCA, 833-33-GORCA.
	Jeff and the team supply me with some wonderful, delicious audio and video that some of it is inspiring stuff.
	From people I like.
	Other things are just instructive because they involve people on the other side.
	And by the way, we welcome calls.
	Every view is welcome here.
	I love mixing it up.
	I love to do it in every show that I do, either my own show or when I'm filling in for somebody.
	So all views are welcome.
	833-33-GORKA.
	We ain't canceling anybody.
	We ain't banishing anybody.
	I love dialogue.
	So let's enjoy a divergent view here in the form of squad member Ayanna Pressley.
	Let me set it up in the following way.
	I come to you from the state of Texas, home of the heartbeat law.
	That's right.
	We did that.
	Where once you have cardiac activity at six weeks, you can't kill the baby anymore.
	Ta-da!
	See how simple that was?
	Now, it's not as simple as it could be because we've got this kind of interesting Rube Goldberg device in the law that makes it a little more court challenge proof, so that might be part of its genius.
	But it's not the law of the state of Texas saying, you can't have an abortion post six weeks.
	It makes it, it opens the door for civil penalties, civil action.
	You basically sue somebody for either having an abortion, performing an abortion, participating in it, being the Uber driver that takes somebody to the clinic.
	That's the big question.
	How deep are we going to go?
	How wide is this net going to go?
	And that's a work in progress, and we'll see.
	But the thing is that we've identified a bit of Roe v. Wade smashing logic that I believe will, along with some other states like Mississippi, where similar things are going through the track, result in the extinction of Roe v. Wade so that we can have result in the extinction of Roe v. Wade so that we can have the extinction Now why is this important?
	Is it because I'm pro-life or I'm conservative?
	No.
	Roe v. Wade must be overturned because it's unconstitutional.
	It is objectively stone-cold unconstitutional.
	There is no right to abortion in the Constitution.
	Run find it.
	I'll wait.
	You won't find it.
	If you do, let me know and you can come host the show for a year.
	There is no right to abortion in the Constitution.
	The Heartbeat Law Protect the unborn, which is what conservatives want to do, social conservatives, whatever you want to call us.
	I would love to think it's what all human beings want to do, but I'd be lamentably wrong.
	So here is Congresswoman Ayanna Pressley, and here's her take on what she thinks the motivation of the heartbeat law really is.
	These misguided bans will not actually prevent all abortions.
	They simply put safe and necessary abortion care out of reach for our most vulnerable, specifically our lowest-income sisters, our queer, trans, and non-binary siblings, black, Latinx, AAPI, immigrants, disabled, and indigenous folks.
	And none of this is happenstance.
	It is precise.
	Like the roots of the anti-abortion movement, these bans are rooted in patriarchy and white supremacy.
	What?
	Clearly, if the paper's late in the morning, it's white supremacy.
	Pardon me for that 1980s imagery of the paper being late.
	People driving around going, what is this paper and how is it late?
	Just ask your parents about that reference.
	Congresswoman Presley, it's hard to know where to begin, but the bottom line is that the first Index card of dishonest debate is to mischaracterize what your opponents are saying or what they wish to do.
	Um, I'm, I'm, I'm trying to save the lives of babies.
	Our state of Texas is trying to save the lives of, of, of human beings.
	And to have people fighting against that is ghoulish.
	Necessary.
	Listen, there's only one necessary abortion.
	That's to save the life of the mother.
	Save the life, not the health, the life of the mother.
	And a word on this, because I probably ought to do this every time I haven't filled in on a show in a while.
	Let's do a little bit on the rape and incest exception.
	There's a little bit of heavy lifting, so keep the car on the road.
	Everybody always asks, if you're pro-life, people go, yeah, what about rape and incest?
	What about rape and incest?
	And these are enormously emotionally heavy issues, understandably, because those are horrible, traumatic crimes.
	They are terrible, terrible things.
	So why is there not a rape and incest exception?
	Follow me closely.
	That life, newly created life in the womb, is either sacred or it's not.
	I am pro-life because that newly created life is sacred.
	The circumstances of its creation change nothing.
	Change nothing.
	I know people who are the product of rape.
	I know women who have carried their babies to term after a rape, and one in particular, a Virginia woman named Jennifer Christie, look her up, who's raising that child and knows that it's a gift from God every day that came under the most adverse of circumstances.
	Admittedly, nobody is sugarcoating the stigma of rape or incest.
	But the question to be asked is, are we going to compound the crimes of rape and incest with the tragedy of murder?
	And the pro-life answer is no.
	And if you find yourself, or if you hear a politician saying, well, I'm pro-life, but rape and incest, we're going to have an exception for that, that is not a pro-life person.
	That is a pro-choice person, by definition.
	Because if that life is extinguishable for rape and incest, it's extinguishable because somebody didn't want to have a fifth kid, or somebody can't afford it, or somebody, whatever.
	It's either a preciously created human life or it's not.
	If it is, then the circumstances don't matter.
	And if it's not, then rape, incest, don't want a third kid, it's not convenient right now.
	If you're pro-choice, you're pro-choice.
	So there's a little rape and incest exception 101.
	I hope that's helpful in order to be genuinely pro-life.
	And that wasn't hard.
	I barely broke a sweat.
	And if somebody, you know, comes at you as they invariably will, happens to me on talk shows, probably happens to you in life, hey pro-lifer, what about rape and incest?
	You need to be in a very godly and very sympathetic, empathetic way.
	You have to embrace what the victims of these horrible crimes are going through, but don't let it for one minute distract you from what the point of being pro-life is.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Hope that's helpful.
	Whatever the circumstances of its creation, what has been created is a separate human life that is in its own way sacred.
	Okay?
	Okay.
	Hope that's helpful.
	We have phone lines if you want to go into some of that.
	And you can use them right here at 833-33-GORCA.
	833-33-GORKA.
	All right, let's see.
	We're going to be out of here in about a minute, so rather than give somebody short shrift, let me give the phone number, some plugs, things you can do, and then we'll hop into some phone action on the other side of the break.
	And that phone number again, of course, as you know, Is 833-33-GORKA.
	I'm Mark Davison for Seb.
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	That's SebGorkaStore.com and look at those wonderful things there.
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	Is it time to Christmas shop yet?
	I mean, they've had wreaths up at Hobby Lobby since 4th of July, so it may well be.
	It may well be.
	And there's no better place to do that for the conservative in your life, or maybe the liberal in your life, whom you just want to get a rise out of, than a sweet gift from the Seb Gorka Store at SebGorkaStore.com.
	Okay, let's see what awaits us on the phone lines.
	Grab a line right now.
	We're going to talk to Todd Bensman of the Center for Immigration Studies, but that's actually next.
	So we'll talk to him.
	We'll talk to you.
	We'll get it all done by the time the show is over.
	We will have perhaps genuinely achieved it all.
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	Mark Davison for Dr. Sebastian Gorka on America First.
	And the imagery of that bridge in Del Rio is just burned onto our brains now, isn't it?
	And how many folks can say they've been down there, looked at it, examined it, evaluated it?
	Well, how about Todd Bensman, fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies, I think the last time I talked to Todd, it was on my own local show, on the occasion of the publication of his book, America's Covert Border War.
	It's a pleasure to say hi once again to Todd Bensman.
	Todd, how are you doing, sir?
	Oh, I'm doing great, thank you.
	Good to be here.
	Let's do a couple of things.
	Let me plug a couple of things.
	A wonderful piece you have in The Federalist, where you say the entire Del Rio drama proves that Bill Biden could solve the border crisis any time he wanted to, and your upcoming recorded, so it's about to play, appearance on Tucker Carlson.
	We'll save that for last, but tell me a little bit about your premise, why you think this Drama, this mess, this debacle we've seen under that bridge in Del Rio.
	Why that is de facto proof to you that Biden could solve this if he wanted to.
	What's your point?
	Biden really, really, really wanted to solve that problem because it was a canker sore.
	It was like a canker sore on your lip the night before a prom or something.
	The prom being midterm elections in this case.
	He just simply had to get rid of that thing right away, post haste.
	And he did a few things that in retrospect are uncharacteristic of Biden.
	And he took a lot of heat from his left wing about these things that he did.
	But if he were to simply apply these moves to the whole border, And he applied this to all nationalities beyond Haitians.
	I could see a scenario where this thing just ended in 48 hours.
	I mean, it would be over quickly.
	What those things are is first the repatriation flights back to Haiti.
	I was on the ground there for eight days and interviewed many, many, many Haitians.
	about their reaction to the repatriation flights.
	They're flying them, thousands of them, at least a couple thousand back to Haiti.
	And this is like, you know, a grenade in the middle of the party.
	I mean, they just went scattering.
	Thousands of them fled to Mexico, back into Mexico.
	And those who were on the way to the camp stopped in their tracks.
	Because the threat and fear of repatriation flights was so profound that it influenced decision-making in terms of migrant behavior.
	They told me that and I watched them flee.
	I saw them buy bus tickets to southern Mexico and to Mexico City, anywhere but here.
	And also we saw Haitians attacking bus drivers and taking over the buses.
	That's what that was all about.
	Really powerful deterrent policy.
	He won't keep it.
	But if he did, There would be a very profound impact on the rest of the border crisis.
	It would, and this may shock people, but as when Trump was president and there was a notion of a wall being built and not so much a welcome sign, we didn't get as many people attempting to breach the border.
	Now, when a repatriation flight awaits you, you know, ding, ding, ding, a lot of Haitians go, wow, maybe I'm better off in Mexico than I am coming into custody.
	So let me ask you, Todd Bensman here from Center for Immigration Studies.
	Why are we even getting the repatriation flights at all?
	If the base coat of Biden logic is to allow as many people into these as big a needy subculture as possible, why do we even get repatriation flights at all?
	Because a higher priority to the Biden administration, much higher priority, is to avoid political damage between now and the midterms.
	And that camp, the way it was developing, it's kind of hard to explain, but I'll just take a quick second here.
	When one of the migrants would enter the camp, they were given a coupon, a numbered coupon.
	That was their ticket in line.
	And as the numbers stacked up, it looked like, at present resources, it was going to take A minimum of three weeks to get to the last person, and that was when there were 10,000.
	And then there were 5,000 more that came in a couple days after they started doing that.
	So then you're looking at five and six weeks, and even more were just going to keep coming.
	There were 20,000 more on the way.
	And so it looked like this was going to be a really permanent political nightmare.
	Day after day after day, they have this You know, terrible refugee, third world refugee camp.
	And so he wanted to get rid of it very quickly for just the optics of it.
	And when you want to end illegal immigration en masse like that, you have to get tough.
	You have to bring in deterrence based policies like repatriation flights.
	So how long is this likely to last?
	At what point will the Biden people say, OK, feels like the pressure's off and let's get this open borders thing moving smoothly again until it erupts afresh?
	Nobody, anywhere to my knowledge, has asked that question at a press conference or anywhere else.
	If I was in anywhere near Pisaki or, you know, Mayorkas or anybody over there, the first question I would ask is, Are you still doing repatriation flights?
	When did the last one go out?
	When is this thing over?
	Because I suspect that it was only a limited edition policy.
	I mean, it's right out of the Trump playbook.
	And the Biden administration took tremendous heat from his left wing and liberal illegal immigration advocates.
	uh... open borders types of absolutely screening uh... bloody murder over this thing Why?
	Because it's effective.
	Exactly, because the result is precisely what we've seen.
	About 60 seconds, Todd.
	I want to make sure I get this last one in.
	Everyone, is it too glib or right on point to say that this crisis, this chaos, is planned?
	The idea is to get as many people into the country as they possibly can and get away with it so that they can eventually be normalized, legalized, naturalized and then energized for decades of grateful Democrat voting.
	Is that the plan?
	I respect that theory.
	I certainly don't rule it out.
	I have a slightly different theory.
	I'm not sure I completely embraced that one.
	That's fine.
	I'm sure that secretly and quietly a lot of Democrats are, you know, very, like, internally happy Yeah, I think that this is about appeasing a very powerful left wing of the Democratic Party to keep the coalition happy.
	Not also.
	Got about 20 seconds.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, I think that this is about appeasing a very powerful left wing of the Democratic Party to keep the coalition happy.
	These are the Bernie Sanders block, that big, huge, influential block that developed during the Trump years.
	And they want this.
	They want this.
	Okay, which may be a distinction without a difference, because I think your theory is good too, that maybe Biden himself may not want it, but they know there are Democrats who do, and ultimately that's the plan.
	Todd Bensman is on Twitter, at BensmanTodd, and check him out, Center for Immigration Studies, good people.
	Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka, and you're on the phone with me next.
	Stick around. Stick around.
	Stick around.
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	All righty.
	We are in the homestretch now.
	The final half hour, third hour morning.
	Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka here on America First.
	It is great to have you here.
	I'm the happy morning host at 6.60 a.m.
	The Answer in Dallas, Fort Worth.
	You can follow me on Twitter, at Mark Davis, and we're just having a great time.
	It's a wonderful day of guests, a wonderful day of calls, a lot going on.
	We've got some more audio video excerpts I wanna get to, but let's take care of some folks who've been waiting on the phone.
	If you are just joining us, just every day, it's like spin the big topic wheel.
	Borders.
	Spin it again.
	Afghanistan aftermath.
	Our military.
	You know what?
	30 seconds, and I'll get to a call here in this fairly short segment.
	It is my love for the military that makes the Afghan aftermath so infuriating to me and so cathartic.
	But that's one thing, and we have to somehow have accountability for that.
	But – and this is right back to General Milley – The degree to which critical race theory and woke politics are infecting our military, if it's infecting our college campuses, I would almost expect that.
	It's a college campus, and that's a huge problem, and it makes higher education a minefield, which is a sad thing and not a good thing for our country.
	But to have General Milley sit there talking about, I really am interested in the concept of white rage.
	Well, funny thing, General, I'm interested in winning wars.
	And I think that your absorption into woke politics is antithetical to the whole winning wars thing.
	So we've got some really big generational problems in military brass, and it took us a long time to get here.
	It's probably going to take a little while to get out.
	Alrighty, we are in, this is great, Phil in Philadelphia.
	That's lyrical.
	Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
	How you doing, Phil?
	Welcome.
	Mark, it is nuts here in Philly.
	We're the murder capital of the country, and they just passed the plastic bag ban.
	Yeah, man, at least you got priorities straight.
	At least you got the priorities straight in the city of brotherly love.
	It is nuts.
	But I had a question for you, and I'll let you go.
	Sure.
	What are your thoughts, and what do we have to do to light a fire under our conservative press corps at the White House to just sit there like sheeple, like little babies that can't ask a tough question?
	You know, does the Taliban know that our southern border is open?
	Does anybody have any intelligence on that?
	Can the White House verify that the Taliban doesn't know that our southern border is open?
	I mean...
	I'll let you go, Mark.
	No, no, you're fine.
	Fair enough question.
	I would only offer the following.
	I guess what we need to do is clone Peter Doocy, who does, I think, a pretty good job, you know, nailing Jen Psaki on something or another.
	And her terseness, I think, is evidence of the effectiveness of his questioning.
	But for that to be one guy in a room of a hundred is, you know...
	We're going to have to start paying people off or having conservative news hire those other... I mean, do you remember how they would torture?
	They would torture President Trump.
	Oh, of course.
	45 minutes, 90 minutes.
	He would take every question.
	And every time they said, can you denounce... I mean, come on.
	Has Biden met Hunter Biden's love child yet?
	I don't know if that's in the planning stages for Thanksgiving.
	Phil, let me thank you because you brought up some great stuff and I appreciate it enormously.
	There's a difference between what your press secretary does.
	I mean, look what Kayleigh McEnany went through.
	Look what Sean Spicer went through.
	Look what all these folks who serve the Trump press shop went through.
	But Phil's imagery that I want to make sure you know, that everybody remembers, is that Trump would show up And just never leave.
	He would sit there and take these obnoxious questions, these nervy, impertinent, disrespectful questions from reporters, and it's like he's in a batting cage.
	He'd get something from Jim Acosta and just, just knock it right out of the park.
	Something from some other CNN weasel and just, and it's gone.
	It's out of here in the upper decks.
	And he loved it.
	And I think that solidified the image.
	And this was just so disorienting for any of us who've spent the last few years as conservatives, as Republicans.
	You know what the usual response every time we get rolled by the left, every time we get hijacked by the Democrat party, every time we get beaten by them because their strategy was just better than ours, our usual response has been, thank you, sir.
	May I have another?
	And with Trump, that nonsense ended.
	We were fighting back.
	And if something, because when you pull a bunch of Republicans say, what's really important in the next Republican nominee, whether it's Trump or anybody else, it sure policies, policies, policies, policies, of course, fighting back.
	Because when you do, if you're just a good scholarly conservative, that's wonderful.
	But there's a leftist America that is out there that's going to stand in the way of everything we do and they simply must be beaten.
	And this is the way the left has looked at us for generations.
	Reagan lit their fire and it never got out.
	It never went out.
	Sometimes they have Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka.
	When Obama won, twice, other times not so skillfully, as in the Carter presidency, or when they offered up, you know, Al Gore and John Kerry and Michael Dukakis and et cetera, et cetera.
	But we've got to know that we are in for the fight of our lives, and we have to approach this with an urgency that suggests we know that we are fighting for the very survival of our country.
	That kind of urgency is a necessity.
	From the president on down to you and me.
	Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka.
	Be right back.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
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	Nothing keeps our toes tapping like a little Laura Branigan.
	There you go.
	All righty, Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
	Dr. Gorka's back tomorrow, and he will have stories aplenty of a gathering in the suburbs of Tulsa in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, a place I know, because it's just a little bit north of where I'm joining you here in Dallas-Fort Worth, where I'm the morning show host here at 6.60 a.m.
	The Answer in Dallas-Fort Worth.
	All right, we got some folks we want to put on the radio.
	Got some audio that I've been sitting here just burning a hole in my brain since we actually started.
	I cannot Finish this delicious substitute host experience without letting you hear a couple of things.
	When I give you a word.
	And that word is infrastructure.
	Silly, silly you and me.
	Maybe you have thought of that as meaning, oh, I don't know, roads, bridges, runways.
	I'll even be really generous because it's 2021 and we'll throw in some broadband.
	Sound good?
	Well, here's Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm, and she has a somewhat more expansive definition.
	Making housing more affordable.
	Why isn't that a piece of the infrastructure of our lives?
	Making elder care more affordable.
	Why isn't that a piece of the infrastructure of our lives?
	Making two years community college tuition free so that we can make sure that we have the workforce that we need to compete in the 21st century.
	That's an important piece of infrastructure broadly defined.
	The infrastructure of our lives.
	It's like a dreadful Democrat soap opera.
	Like sand through the hourglass, so is the infrastructure of our lives.
	Like your money through our fingers, so is the infrastructure of our lives.
	And the reason they do this, the first battle, any type of any political battle, the first battle is over what?
	Language.
	First battle is over words.
	And most people, if you just stop in the street and go, hey, should we spend more on infrastructure?
	I guess.
	Boom.
	That's where they got you.
	Because people, roads, bridges, and stuff like that, they're all crumbling.
	We all know that.
	And so infrastructure spending is something that, ding ding, ranks high on people's approval lists.
	So if Democrats can take that, and what was that?
	Affordable housing?
	By the way, we can talk about affordable housing.
	We can talk about whatever you want to do in terms of housing and the free markets and government involvement.
	That's a debate you can have.
	But what the Democrats want to do is conflate all of this and turn every living thing on their liberal wish list into infrastructure because they know you like infrastructure.
	All right, one more thing and then we'll get to, boy, here's another guy, neighbor of mine here in Texas, Congressman Ronny Jackson.
	This goes back to what we were talking about with Steve Moore, that from Nancy Pelosi to others, they will tell you, Jen Psaki will tell you, that this spending, these trillions and trillions of dollars, because it's paid for, the actual cost of this is zero.
	Congressman Ronny Jackson and you and I and my dog at home, we're on to them.
	How crazy is that?
	Honestly, they think the American people are just complete idiots.
	That we're just not going to watch this, or we're going to believe this garbage.
	Everyone knows there's no free ride, and this is a perfect example of it.
	We're talking about over five trillion dollars in spending.
	This is going to wreck this country if it goes through.
	And the funny thing is, I don't know if you feel this way sometimes, maybe I've been doing this a long time, and sometimes the news is bad.
	What I mean is, I think I have a pretty good internal barometer on how the public is buying something.
	Like, we talked earlier about government shutdowns, how on some spending principle or Obamacare principle, there'll be some Republican, where we draw a line in the sand and we feel like we're, you know, Travis down at the Alamo, and doggone it, we're going to stand on this principle, and we get our brains beaten in because everybody blames us for a government shutdown.
	Goes, you can't shut down the government!
	And I tend to know when things are going to go our way and when they're not.
	Not flawlessly, but most of the time.
	I really feel like the messaging here is going our way.
	I think that since the B's became T's, since the billions became trillions, trillions of dollars, that all of a sudden people are going, wait a minute.
	When actual Democrats, not many, but some actual Democrats are saying this is craziness, that we need to dial this back a little bit.
	Then I think they know that in middle America, that in some of the states that they only hold tenuously, your West Virginias or Arizonas and your Ohios, that they're sensing that in the public at large, there's discontent over this kind of profligate spending.
	Let's go to Georgia.
	Claudette!
	Hey, Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka.
	Happy Thursday.
	How are you?
	I'm well, thank you so much for taking my call.
	I concur with everything you said about the stance that conservatives and Republicans need to take because these Democrats are going in for the kill.
	this supposed white supremacy as it relates to the pro-life movement.
	I think maybe a lot of pro-lifers or Republicans need to get some indoctrination or some teaching on the origin of abortion, that this thing began in the brain and in the mind and was executed by Margaret Sanger, a racist and eugenicist. that this thing began in the brain and in the I mean, how much more white supremacy can you get than that?
	Exactly right.
	Exactly, exactly right.
	Claudette, you're historically correct, and it's funny, deploying history is always a good idea.
	Claudette, thanks.
	And you know what?
	She gave us an opportunity to wrap up this segment with another matter of language.
	Why is everything infrastructure?
	Because Democrats know you like infrastructure.
	For the Democrat Party, why is everything they oppose, why is it instantly white supremacy?
	Because that's the great evil of the day.
	I mean, white supremacy, by the way, is horrible bigotry, but the sliver to which it exists has been exploded into nonsensical or Herculean breadth because they know that if they can take anything that they don't like, Any element of conservatism, because all conservatism is now white supremacy.
	I'll use myself as an example.
	I like strong borders.
	That makes me a white supremacist.
	I'm trying to protect the unborn.
	That makes me a white supremacist.
	I'm trying to reduce spending.
	That makes me a white supremacist.
	I'm trying to get more constitutionalists On the Supreme Court.
	Well, that clearly makes me a white supremacist.
	I'm looking to reform the regulatory environment.
	Must be because I am a white supremacist.
	I believe in the Bible and I honor the flag.
	Well, clearly signs of, say it with me, white supremacy.
	And they do this because they know that 90% of people know that's BS, but if 1 in 10 go, I don't like white supremacy, that means I must not like that guy.
	The battle is over language.
	Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka.
	We will wrap things up in a minute.
	We will wrap things up in a minute.
	We will wrap things up in a minute.
	We will wrap things up in a minute.
	We will wrap things up in a minute.
	We will wrap things up in a minute.
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	So, how? how?
	Have we enjoyed ourselves?
	There's an old adage that says that if I have, you have.
	Lord, I hope that's true because it has just been a joy.
	We're going to hop back to the phones here very quickly because the farewell segment of each hour is kind of short and I got some thank yous and some plugs and everything I got to put in here.
	But Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
	It's been great.
	Seb is back for your Friday.
	Tomorrow we'll wrap up the week and kick off the month of October.
	Woo-hoo!
	Where does the time go?
	Let us roll to California.
	Sheldon, Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka, take us out in style.
	The floor is yours.
	Oh yeah, I love it.
	Anyway, you know, you said the language.
	Us conservatives, you know, truth lovers, Bible believers, we love facts, we love all the information, but you know what?
	It does not sell.
	What sells is a story.
	Unfortunately, the left is so emotionally based in life that everything hits the heart.
	It sounds logical until you start thinking about it.
	But we have to be more conceptual.
	So when you say infrastructure, I think a lot of people visualize, I'm going to get a new high-rise in my neighborhood or whatever.
	That money is gonna go to pay all of the certain municipalities and governments, then guess what?
	The union gets to decide what roads to fix, what to do, and frankly, like you probably, I'm sick of road construction.
	It is everywhere.
	Forever!
	It's like, they're just trying to find a way to work for 20 years and get a pension.
	They're not trying to fix I think your cynicism is well-placed, and you have performed a spectacular function in the allotted time.
	Sheldon, thank you.
	Best to everybody out in California.
	Interesting point.
	Interesting point.
	Let's ruminate for the minute or so that we have.
	If indeed the left traffics in the world of feelings, it's probably a little bit glib, but that conservatives, that we like facts, hard facts, history, and the left is glomming around in all of these feelings and, you know, Rainbows and unicorns and such.
	True, okay?
	But if that's what resonates with people, then tell you what let's do.
	Let us augment our facts.
	Let us not lose sight of our facts.
	But when we bring somebody a fact, like strong borders are good, let's wrap it around the great feeling that you have when your country means something and lets in only those who are legally trying to get here.
	When we talk about the fact of where life begins, Then let us wrap that in the feeling that you get, the great feeling that you get in protecting that unborn life.
	And if somebody has an unwanted pregnancy, the angels walking among us in crisis pregnancy centers who will help someone.
	If you don't want to be a mom and you're 17, I totally get that.
	If you don't want to be a mom and you're 34, I totally get that.
	Adoption, adoption, adoption, so that you can have the great feeling of not having taken a life.
	Of choosing life and yet handing a beautiful, healthy baby into a family that will love him or her forever.
	It's a win-win all around, and that's a great feeling.
	It's based on facts, but it's also a great feeling.
	Well, it's been a wonderful feeling hanging out with you.
	I want to thank Jeff and Eric and John and just a wonderful crew that serves Dr. Gorka so well, and I just get a little slice of that whenever I get a chance to come hang out, but it's been absolutely wonderful.
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	I'm Mark Davis from 660 AM Eager here in Dallas, Fort Worth.
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