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Sept. 15, 2021 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Is General Milley a traitor to America?

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	I can't speak to the validity, but I see nothing in what I've read that would cause any concern.
	What is the Chairman's role in terms of the nuclear launch, if there were a nuclear launch by the President?
	Well, the Chairman is the key military advisor to the President, to the Commander-in-Chief.
	And in A sequence of events whereby a commander in chief would be making that decision, that most grave of decisions.
	The chairman would be intimately involved in that process in providing advice and counsel to both the secretary and to the president.
	Obviously, the president in this case makes the final decision.
	And, you know, by statute, by law, he is the prime military advisor to the president.
	And this would be a military decision of profound proportions here and importance.
	So he would be absolutely involved in that process, soup to nuts.
	And was there anything unusual said to the Chinese counterpart in the phone calls as far as you understand?
	Well, again, all I've seen is the same reporting that you've seen, Jen.
	I can't speak to the specifics of the conversation, a conversation that took place, obviously, before this administration took office.
	But I would add, if I may, again, that it is not only common, it's expected that a chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff would continue to have counterpart conversations.
	I mean, he is basically the chief of defense for the United States.
	We don't call him that.
	No, he is not.
	Kill it.
	Kabul, Kirby, I've had enough.
	That's live footage from the Pentagon.
	They are having to address the accusations, the blockbuster, shocking, tectonic accusations that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs colluded with Communist China, with their general staff.
	and called them to ensure that China would not be attacked, and that Mark Milley was interposing himself in the chain of command of the United States,
	thus negating the principle of civilian thus negating the principle of civilian control of our armed forces that we have had from the beginning of the establishment of our republic and the position of president, chief executive, and commander-in-chief.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
	The accusations were outlandish, coming as they do from a book that isn't even released yet, co-authored by Bob Woodward, who has been irrelevant for the last 40 years, has published books that are based upon supposition and tissues of lies, because this man has no access, especially, especially to a conservative administration like President Trump's.
	But like those broken clocks that are right twice a day, it seems that this story, that General Milley, two days after the events of January the 6th, called up General Li of the People's Liberation Army of Communist China to assure them that he would give them a heads up if President Trump, his commander, decided to attack China,
	It is the definition of giving aid and support to our enemies.
	It is the textbook legal definition of treason.
	Earlier today, the Office of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, let's be clear here, for those who are not wonks in the swamp, who haven't spent decades in national security, We have a peculiar system in the United States.
	What you just heard from Kirby, the Chief of the Defence Staff, is a lie.
	We do not have a senior uniformed officer in the chain of command like other nations do.
	The Constitution is crystal clear.
	America has one Commander-in-Chief.
	It's not The Speaker of the House.
	It's not the Leader of the Senate.
	It's not the Secretary of Agriculture.
	The Commander-in-Chief is the incumbent civilian President.
	You can't have a General as President.
	It is the civilian elected, elected head of state that commands all of our national military assets.
	From the latest in Space Force to the Coast Guard, to our Special Forces, all of them.
	Paramilitaries in the intelligence services, all of them are under the command of one man.
	A civilian.
	That man, as Commander-in-Chief, orders his Secretary of Defense to execute any operation.
	If we go to war, it is the President who tells the Secretary of Defense.
	It is the Secretary of Defense that communicates those orders to the service chiefs.
	Nowhere in that line, nowhere in that organogram, nowhere in that chain of command, is somebody called the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
	According to the United States Constitution, to the National Security Act, to every aspect of our federal code, to the UCMJ, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs has no combatant authority.
	Zero.
	None.
	He is the military advisor to the President.
	Advisor.
	He can give advice that is heeded or ignored by the Commander-in-Chief.
	He is irrelevant.
	He is extraneous to the chain of command.
	His imposing himself into the chain of command is a crime to be punished by court martial.
	According to the reports from this book, on January the 8th, two days after the riots on Capitol Hill, General Mark Milley called General Li Zhongcheng of the People's Liberation Army of Communist China.
	In that call, he said the following, we are 100% steady, everything is fine, and he assured the Communist General that there would be no attack on China.
	Now, on the one hand, I have to say the whole story is absurd because... What attack on China?
	When did Donald Trump, in relation to January the 6th or any time, say that he's about to launch a nuclear attack against nuclear China?
	It's garbage!
	But Millie is the man who, remember, acted like a politician when he did a video apologizing for standing next to his commander-in-chief after he walked across Lafayette Square after days and days and days of rioting, hundreds of police officers injured, and the church of the president, St.
	John's Episcopal Church, was firebombed.
	Milley was ashamed of the restoration of order because Donald Trump was his commander-in-chief.
	So with that fact pattern in mind, with his assertion that critical race theory is great, should be taught at West Point, I'm white and I want to know what white rage is, it is absolutely plausible that this man did what he did.
	And I have here, I'm out of time to read it, I'll read it in the next segment or later today, we have his two-page statement from his press secretary, from Millie's press secretary today, which is a non-denial.
	Non-denial!
	And Kirby has just said the following.
	I'm not denying it happened.
	I'm just refusing to speak about it.
	That is treason.
	And if we lived in a republic of rule of law, Mark Milley would be in irons right now.
	He would be in handcuffs, in leg cuffs, and he would be paraded out of the Pentagon straight into a military holding cell in front of a court-martial.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	Stay with us here on America First.
	Here.
	Boom.
	...made in the book by Robert and the Costa-Wardin, then the chairman should be...
	put on trial for treatment.
	Oh, my goodness.
	These are not my words.
	These are...
	I can't speak to processes before this administration took office.
	I just can't.
	As much as I know you'd like me to, I just can't do that.
	What I'm telling you is typically that when the...
	Are we calling him don't until I've read the Millie's statement?
	They have to do that.
	Okay, and we have...
	Okay.
	What?
	Oh yeah, yeah, sorry.
	Okay.
	What?
	Oh, yeah, yeah, sorry.
	Oh, yeah, sorry, sorry.
	Okay, there we go.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I know the Biden administration aspires to be as transparent as possible.
	In that spirit, would it be possible to get a transcript of General Milley's October 30th conversation with his Chinese counterpart, especially noting that the previous administration released a transcript of President Trump's conversation with President Zelensky.
	So I'm hoping that this administration can be just as transparent.
	Jeff, I'm certainly not going to sign us up to releasing transcripts of conversations that occurred before we took office, and I just, I can't do that.
	I'd refer you to the Chairman's office if you want more context on that, but we're not in a position to do that.
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	You wanted to read that and then we'll do the call?
	I want to read the Millie statement and then as soon as I start reading Millie, you can call him up.
	Okay, and you can see when he's on too.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, 50 seconds.
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	Copy that.
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	After American financing.
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	After the disclaimer.
	Yeah, disclaimer.
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	So first of all, if it is actually true, which is hard to believe, that he would have called China and done these things and was willing to advise them of an attack or in advance of an attack, that's treason!
	That is treason.
	It is the definition giving aid and support to our enemies.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
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	Okay, I promised you before we go to our first guest of the day, I have to read to you the non-denial from the office of Chairman Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
	This is from Twitter earlier today, his spokesperson, Colonel Dave Butler.
	The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs regularly communicates with the Chiefs of Defence across the world, including with China and Russia.
	These conversations remain vital to improving mutual understanding of US national security interests, reducing tensions, providing clarity and avoiding unintended consequences or conflicts.
	Yes, what reassurance?
	Whose reassurance?
	and others in October and January were in keeping with these duties and responsibilities, conveying reassurance in order to maintain strategic stability.
	Yes, what reassurance?
	Whose reassurance?
	President Trump's or lone agent, lone wolf, deep state actor General Milley?
	It continues.
	All calls from the chairman to his counterparts, including those reported, are staffed, coordinated, and communicated with the Defense Department and the interagency.
	Okay, let's see.
	Describe the transcript.
	Let's declassify it like President Trump did with the Ukraine call.
	Back to the statement.
	Also in keeping with his responsibilities as Senior Military Advisor to the President and Secretary of Defense, General Milley frequently conducts meetings with uniformed leaders across the services to ensure all leaders are aware of current issues.
	But is he doing so for seditious purposes?
	Or not?
	That's the question.
	That's why this is a non-denial.
	The meeting regarding nuclear weapons protocols was to remind uniformed leaders in the Pentagon of the long-established and robust procedures in light of media reporting on the subject.
	Hang on a second!
	Hang on!
	You are a senior leader in the Pentagon and you don't know what the nuclear launch procedures are?
	Some fat four-star has to remind you of what the nuclear launch proceedings are as senior leadership in the Pentagon?
	This stinks to high heaven.
	General Milley continues to act and advise with his authority in the lawful tradition of civilian control of the military and his oath to the Constitution.
	That's not a denial.
	This is not a denial that he gave a heads up to the Chinese that I'm going to protect you from Donald Trump.
	And that is treason.
	Okay, I need to take a deep breath.
	Count to 10 and get somebody to Soothe my soul.
	Who better than a great supporter of the show, it's been far too long, the man who brings us Priest for Life, a warrior for the culture of life, Father Frank Pavone.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Hey Shev, it's so good to be with you and thank you for your programs.
	You know, I don't know that I enjoy any program more for its common sense and just, you know, you teach us how to fight too.
	You know, the clergy ought to take a page out of your book.
	Oh, that is very, very kind.
	As far as I'm concerned, the last year and a half have taught us one thing, Father.
	It's that we need more courage in this nation, whether it's COVID, vaccines, fighting the culture of death, or just restoring the Republic.
	We need men and women of courage, and you are definitely one of them.
	This is an exciting time to be alive.
	As Director of Priests for Life, you must be seeing some Reward for your hard work.
	Will you talk to us?
	Let's talk about something positive for the next few minutes.
	The Texas Supreme Court decision.
	We mustn't relax.
	We mustn't drop our guard.
	But isn't this one significant victory at last?
	It is very significant.
	And to try to convey it simply to people, you know, Roe v. Wade, which has been in place now almost 50 years, has told the states You can't protect babies in the womb prior to viability.
	Now, there's no constitutional basis for that.
	There's no medical basis for that.
	And viability is not a point anyway.
	It's a prediction.
	It depends just as much on the medical technology you have as on the age of the baby.
	So it's always been a ridiculous and pointless and arbitrary dividing line.
	But Anyway, that's what the court said and that's what the courts have been enforcing.
	So legislators are left to say, hey, if we try to pass a law protecting these babies, like Texas just said, from the time we can detect a heartbeat and people need to remind themselves, you know, that happens at 21 days after conception.
	So you can start detecting it about four weeks after conception, which is why, you know, it's six weeks into pregnancy the way that it's measured.
	And the states would say, oh, if we pass that law, it's going to get struck down.
	Well, this time they passed that law, and it didn't get struck down.
	And that's a result of two different things.
	Number one, it has a unique enforcement mechanism.
	You know, the court can tell a state official, you can't enforce this law.
	But the law this time says, no, it's not a state official who enforces it.
	It's private citizens.
	And, of course, that's a whole other topic of discussion, but that's the novelty now that has so far kept the courts from trying to enjoin this law.
	And the second reason said that this has happened is very simply that a lot has changed since Roe v. Wade, medically, socially.
	Socially.
	Illegally.
	The status of the pregnant mother who did not plan on the pregnancy and doesn't have a support system is just not what it was in 1973 or even in 1992 when the court reaffirmed Roe.
	It's just not the same.
	The medical science has changed.
	A lot has changed.
	And so the Supreme Court now seems willing to review this whole thing.
	So it's not just the way they acted with Texas.
	It's where they acted with Mississippi.
	They accepted a case now called the Dobbs case.
	That's going to be heard in the new term.
	Right.
	This is my big question for you.
	We're talking to Father Frank Pavone.
	He's the National Director for Priests for Life.
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	60 seconds left with you, Father Pavone.
	I've got to get you in studio when you're back in D.C.
	for a longer chat.
	Do you have faith?
	Of course you have faith.
	Let's talk about, do you have faith that this decision will be the first domino of many state decisions?
	Yes, I do believe so, because other states have in fact passed heartbeat bills like this.
	I think now they're going to start adapting this novel enforcement mechanism.
	And I also know that the, you know, the justices on the court are in fact Ready to reverse long-standing precedent because, you know, precedent that was wrong from the beginning is still wrong no matter how many decades go by.
	It's always wrong and taking an innocent life can never ever be justified and the law of Roe v. Wade is asinine.
	Trying to justify some penumbra in the Constitution to the right to privacy.
	The right to privacy doesn't mean I can kill somebody as long as I'm doing it behind closed doors.
	He's been fighting for years.
	God bless you, Father Frank Perfone.
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	I'm Sebastian Gawker taking your calls on Millie, the disgrace that is the swamp.
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	All right, that was superb.
	Let's have a longer chat when you're in town.
	Let's get you in studio, Father.
	All right, we'll do that.
	I'll email you some dates when I'll be back in D.C.
	and it was great to see you yesterday.
	It was.
	I can't believe that was yesterday.
	That felt like days ago.
	What a crazy time we live in.
	So many things are happening.
	Yeah, really.
	Thanks so much.
	I appreciate it.
	Thank you for your kind words.
	Totally unnecessary, but I appreciate it.
	Thank you, my friend.
	Thank you.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye-bye.
	Okay.
	Mike's on.
	We have that Kirby cut.
	Listen to the voice cracks and stutters, too.
	How that guy is a press anything?
	He was never that bad under Obama.
	How do you defend this stuff?
	He's just trying to not say anything that's going to come up with him.
	Do you want to listen to it now?
	Uh, yeah.
	I can't really understand why you're not denying that that is happening.
	That that happens.
	That's a pretty serious allegation.
	I'm not speaking to it at all.
	It's not that I'm not denying it.
	I'm going to refuse to speak to specific anecdotes that are in this book.
	It's a nervous tick like Kamala.
	I think you're right.
	And who's that woman?
	Not denying it.
	Not denying it.
	What is that?
	Yeah, we got American financing, and then I'm going to tee up that cut.
	Okay, and then Patriot Mobile at the end.
	No, the Kirby cut.
	Yes, Kirby.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	Titles.
	Oh, I want a, um... Why the Millie Bombshell is Believable.
	Yep.
	What'd you want to say?
	Can you split B in two?
	Between my reading and the father?
	Yes.
	The first part, Millie isn't denying his treason.
	And then Frank Pavone.
	Texas is only the first domino to fall.
	Only the first domino fall.
	The fall, yeah.
	And then George and Kelly.
	George.
	Who's George?
	Barbara.
	Barbara George.
	Hispanic Americans are conservative.
	Uh-huh.
	And Kelly.
	And Kelly, um...
	Biden's political prisoners.
	Yep.
	Political prisoners.
	I bet Millie's experiencing some white rage today.
	He might lose a little weight in the next few days.
	What do you think?
	And some hair with it.
	Somebody has to tweet that.
	How's your white rage, Millie?
	Come on, somebody will rumble.
	Hey, rumblers!
	Tweet it out!
	I'll repost it.
	Give us a rumble, you rumblers.
	Maybe this is how they let him take the fall for Afghanistan.
	That's what I... I knew something like this was coming.
	I'm wondering how close those two are related.
	Yeah, but this was done so long ago.
	Yeah.
	You know what I think's the setup?
	What?
	Now everything else in the book is true.
	Uh-oh.
	Uh-oh.
	I'm still not buying it.
	And they're just throwing him out.
	But I know, it's just weird.
	It's like how Cuomo went down.
	This was planned for months.
	It's like how they got to take Cuomo down for the Me Too stuff, not the nursing home thing.
	Same thing, I think.
	15 seconds.
	Yeah, I can see that as well.
	Alright, you're gonna tee up the cut?
	Yeah.
	Alright, sounds good.
	Meeting mics.
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	Okay guys, Kirby, he's got a nervous tick.
	Yes he does.
	He laughed.
	When another reporter just asked him about his non-denial of the accusations against Mark Milley that he colluded with the Chinese to protect them from President Trump illegally.
	Here's the cut.
	Just listen to his voice.
	And as you watch it on Rumble, his face.
	I can't really understand why you're not denying that that is happening.
	That that happens.
	That's a pretty serious allegation.
	I'm not speaking to it at all, Laura.
	It's not that I'm not denying it.
	I'm simply... I'm going to refuse to speak to specific anecdotes that are in this book.
	Where's my favorite cynic?
	Mr. G, are you there?
	I'm here.
	Why is he grinning?
	Why is Kirby, former Admiral, disgrace to the Navy, DoD press spokesman, why is he smiling when he's refusing to deny that Mark Milley worked with the Communist Chinese Army?
	And he had a little bit of the step back and he was throwing the arms up in the air.
	Yeah, he stepped back from the podium.
	Yeah, he did the defensive.
	Oh, oh, oh, oh.
	What is that?
	He doesn't want to get involved in this.
	He's not going to defend Milley.
	He's not gonna die on Millie's account.
	Wow.
	Amazing.
	Is this gonna go anywhere?
	Do we live in a land of consequences?
	Let's talk to JoJo in Pittsburgh, line 3.
	Welcome, JoJo.
	JoJo.
	Yes?
	Are you there?
	This is when you start talking.
	Go!
	I was born and raised in Uniontown, Pennsylvania.
	Home.
	Which is about 40 plus miles south of Pittsburgh.
	Home of George C. Marshall.
	From the Marshall Plan, as I know you're very aware of.
	I'm very aware.
	I've seen his museum at VMI.
	Carry on.
	Yes, I drive by his memorial practically every day in the city of Uniontown.
	My children are now seventh generation Southwestern Pennsylvanians.
	JoJo, we've got a lot of callers.
	I know, darling.
	All I'm saying is I feel that him, Patton, MacArthur are spinning in their graves.
	These were great, unbelievable generals.
	And when you see what we have now ruling in the Pentagon and in charge of our military is absolutely sickening.
	Shame on them.
	Shame on them all.
	How dare they do what they're doing.
	They would be utterly horrified.
	The real Ajaxes of American history.
	True warriors.
	Warrior scholars.
	Men of words as well.
	Wisdom, but also of backbone and spine.
	Would be utterly, utterly shocked.
	Stay on the line, JoJo.
	Let's get JoJo anything she wants from our store.
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	God bless you for your words about the military heritage of this great nation.
	Ty, Sandy, San Antonio.
	Hi, Dr. Gorka.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	A couple things, and I'll get to it real quick.
	Milley has represented himself as an absolute disgrace.
	I kept waiting for somebody like Peter Ducey to ask him if he wouldn't have spent so much time worried about white rage and critical race theory being implemented in the military, would he had enough time to understand how fast Kabul was going to fall.
	But nobody ever asked him that.
	But here's the thing.
	It's interesting to me, the timing of all of this.
	You know, did Millie give him the permission to drop this information in the book?
	Because he automatically knew that that was gonna...
	It was going to cause a lot of waves, and did they have this teed up to distract from the Afghans?
	Here's my response.
	Number one, there's no way.
	I mean, he may be a scumbag, but he's not a cretin.
	The idea that this wouldn't have massive blowback for him, even from Democrat corners, I don't buy.
	And two, when it comes to timing, no, you can't coordinate it.
	Books take months and months and months to come out and to publish, and they're often delayed, so no.
	I don't, look, I don't know.
	I just don't know how it happened.
	Maybe this is the case where once in 40 years this hack of a journalist gets something right.
	We shall see.
	But the heat is on right now.
	Thank you for your call, Tai.
	Don't go anywhere.
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	Mike's on.
	Yes, Mike's on.
	There we go.
	Okay, hang on one second.
	You need to know how he wants to be introduced, right?
	Yeah.
	And we've got a relief factor here.
	Oh.
	Oh, two dots.
	Yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, I'll turn the mice off when he comes on.
	Two minutes.
	Two minutes.
	Oh, and I'm gonna want, um, to use the Fauci cut again with the Doctor from yesterday, cut 10.
	Cut 10, um... Wait, hang on.
	Today's the 15th.
	Oh, so him with John Oliver?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Got it.
	Creepy giant screen just hanging in the middle of the room.
	Hey, it's Jeff with Sebastian Gorky, how are you?
	Okay.
	You can come in with that actually.
	Come in with cut time?
	Yesterday is cut time.
	All right, I'll get a...
	Open it.
	All right, Mike's coming off.
	Board... Board... Board...
	Thank you.
	a virus more so than in any other part of the country.
	It's very heavily weighted towards red states as opposed to blue states.
	And that really shouldn't be, Trevor.
	It should not be.
	This is a public health issue.
	And as you said very appropriately a moment ago, the common enemy is the virus.
	There shouldn't be the divisiveness that we're seeing.
	We're trying our best to convince people, but you reach a certain point where you almost hit a wall that you're not going to get to a certain group of people.
	And that's where mandates come in.
	Well, that's strange.
	He doesn't know.
	And it shouldn't be political.
	But that's where we mandate it.
	Isn't that a political decision?
	Let's find out from somebody who is, in fact, a board-certified primary care physician.
	Hasn't been a government bureaucrat for 37 years.
	Yes, 37 years, like Fauci.
	He is Dr. Jeff Barclay.
	Welcome to America First, Doctor.
	Seb, great to be with you.
	Thanks for having me.
	All right.
	So let me ask a very simple question.
	Don't ask me to write a prescription.
	I'm not that kind of doctor.
	But who are the science deniers?
	How much actual science has been going on in public health policy with regards to the China virus in the last year and a half?
	And how much has been politicized?
	Well, the problem, Seb, is this is no longer about health care or science.
	This is all about politics.
	And if you don't agree with the unelected bureaucrats, like Dr. Fauci himself, not only is your voice silenced, but it's banned.
	And we're seeing that across the country.
	This is not about science.
	Science is a robust discussion of different points of view that are then fedded out and tested with hypotheses and experiments.
	Unfortunately, that discussion is no longer allowed.
	If you have a different viewpoint than Dr. Fauci, then your viewpoint is banned.
	That's not science.
	That's tyranny.
	That's not American to be doing that.
	This is like the old Soviet Union or communist China.
	And can you explain to me, in the history of American medicine, has the following ever occurred?
	So I have a good friend in California, and this is just one story amongst many.
	I had COVID over a year ago.
	My doctor prescribed me hydroxychloroquine.
	I had three days with a little bit of aches and snuffles, and then I was back to work.
	My friend who caught COVID in California had a doctor's prescription And six pharmacies refused to fill it.
	How does that happen in America, Dr. Barclay?
	Seb, I've been practicing for over 25 years.
	I've never, ever, ever had this happen, and it happens to me and my patients all the time.
	It would be easier for a patient to get a prescription for oxycontin that has killed thousands of people every year than it is for hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin that hasn't killed a single person.
	This is about politics, not about the science.
	And these pharmacies that are refusing to dispense It's a crime.
	repurposed medications are complicit in killing people.
	Yes, I said that.
	It's the truth.
	If a patient can't get access to these life-saving medications, early in the course of their illness, they end up in the hospital when they can no longer breathe.
	It's a crime.
	We should not allow this to occur.
	But too many pharmacies are simply refusing to dispense safe repurposed medication.
	I don't think I could hurt somebody with ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine if I wanted to.
	Yet here we are living in this tyrannical health care environment.
	Well, God bless you for saying what you just said and for having the courage to say it.
	He's Dr. Jeff Barkay.
	Follow him on Twitter at Rx underscore for Liberty.
	That's at Rx underscore for Liberty.
	So here's my take as a layman.
	I say to everybody, we've had doctors on my show, my personal physician many times.
	If your health is about your decisions with your doctor.
	The decisions you take in concert with the advice from your doctor.
	And your rights as an American citizen should not be diminished by federal government in terms of what medicines you are not allowed to take or what vaccinations you are forced to take.
	Am I missing anything?
	I just see that as common sense.
	Is there anything you'd add to that?
	Yeah, I would.
	Listen, the government should not be interfering in the doctor-patient relationship, and that's exactly what's happened, and I've never seen that happen before.
	My website, by the way, Seb, is rx4liberty.com, rx4, f-o-r, liberty.com, where you can learn more about these ideas and others.
	There's plenty of doctors pushing back.
	Unfortunately, we're being banned and censored.
	There's a lot of us across the country that understand how to treat COVID, in the earliest mild stages when we're good at treating it with some of these repurposed medications.
	The government and bureaucracies are interfering with the practice of health care, and we should not allow this to occur.
	Go to his website right now, rx4liberty.com, correct? rx4, spelled out, f-o-r-x4liberty.com. rx4liberty.com.
	How concerned are you as a practitioner of decades for the long-term ramifications for your profession, doctor? - I'm very concerned because, you know, we've seen the national medical boards come out and recommend sanctioning doctors that are quote-unquote proscribing these repurposed medications for unprofessional conduct.
	The Medical Board of California put out a warning to physicians that they may be charged with unprofessional conduct for using perfectly safe repurposed medications By the way, Seb, about 30% of all prescriptions in the United States prescribed by doctors are for repurposed uses off-label.
	We do this all the time.
	But suddenly, with I think you're right.
	Mectin, hydroxychloroquine, inhaled budesonide and others.
	Now we're being accused of unprofessional conduct.
	It's ridiculous.
	And it's most importantly, it is dangerous to the patients.
	Yeah, I think you're right.
	I think thousands, if not tens of thousands of Americans and who knows how many millions across the globe have died because of the politics being injected into our health care policy.
	And that stat alone, the fact that 30% of prescriptions in America are for off-label use, that drugs are being used for an ailment other from the one they invented for, and that's being used as an argument against ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine, that's when you know it's censorship and that's how you know people are dying.
	Go to this brave man's website Alright, RxForLiberty.com.
	That's R-X-F-O-R-Liberty.com.
	Can we get you back for a longer chat, Doctor?
	We'd love to, Seb.
	I appreciate you having me on.
	God bless.
	Keep doing what you do.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	Oh, that's right.
	That was good.
	Yeah, he was good.
	Yeah, who's he been on before?
	With Jennifer Horne.
	Jennifer Horne.
	Right, because he's California.
	Good.
	I think Dennis has had him too, but I'm not sure.
	Let's have him on for a one-on-one.
	Okay.
	Oh, very nice.
	And we know him because of Jen?
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	Title for that one.
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	The COVID bureaucrats have killed thousands.
	Yeah.
	I like how all these diseases that have been around for a hundred years they do studies on, but COVID's already been figured out.
	Science is in.
	What are you talking about?
	Consensus.
	They voted.
	Science.
	You vote on science.
	Did you vote on science?
	Yeah, pretty sure.
	Gravity doesn't exist.
	Let's vote.
	The great council of scientists.
	Science.
	The monolith of science.
	Well, science is a social construct, don't you know?
	Oh, you know.
	Everything's relative, right?
	Everything's a social construct.
	Someone was on Tucker, I forget who it was, but they said, the problem with immunity is it's free.
	Oh!
	Wow, that's good.
	I'm gonna tweet that.
	That's good.
	That's good.
	That is true, and it's proven to be more effective.
	Yep.
	From everything that I've seen.
	Always be traced back to big something, where there's big pharma, big tech, big banks.
	Aye, aye, aye.
	Media industrial complex.
	Military industrial complex.
	Oh, well, yeah, media industrial complex.
	Yeah.
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	Welcome!
	Hey, Dr. Gorka.
	So, well, I told the call screener, one of the things you guys spoke about two years ago, and I brought up three names that I believe were subversive actors under the Trump administration.
	I gave you Kelly, I gave you Barr, and I gave you Mattis.
	Flash forward two years, we now find out Millie, we found out Ray.
	So what I worry about, and this is, Trump's going to run in a year and a half.
	Let's assume he, you know, he gets in there again.
	What the hell are we going to do then?
	All these people that he cannot trust?
	I mean, we've got a lot of people on the right.
	I was fooled by Mattis.
	I was fooled by that.
	Yeah, I can't divulge the details.
	I'll just tell you I was at a meeting last night where I just discussed exactly this issue with the former chief of staff, Mark Meadows, and I've got a plan.
	He's got a plan.
	And so I'm not saying it's going to be easy, but we're already working on it.
	It's still 2021.
	And some people who believe in America, believe in President Trump, believe in the 74 million who voted for him.
	We are working the issue because Reagan told us personnel is policy.
	Brent in Los Angeles!
	Welcome.
	Blessings, God's warrior Gorka.
	Thank you, you too, brother.
	Well, I wanted to say, as an American Jew, for tonight on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, I pray America's Jews will ponder and reflect upon the many idolatrous sins of submitting to godless Marxist amoral atheists, progressive BLM bigots and racists,
	Or allowing state teachers to sexually abuse children's innocence to cancel biblical marriage, family, and the future of Judeo-Christian civilization.
	Only true spirituality can save us at this point.
	Yeah.
	You're a righteous man.
	It's a hard thing to do.
	It's what our Lord and Savior told us to do.
	Let's pray for our enemies and let's pray for some Damascene moment where the scales fall from the eyes of our Deluded, naive fellow Americans.
	God bless you.
	Have a blessed, peaceful Yom Kippur.
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	Next, we're going to talk about the recall vote in California.
	We're connecting directly to our West Coast warrior Princess Jennifer Horne for the latest updates.
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	Yeah.
	Okay.
	No is not the only thing that was expressed tonight.
	I want to focus on what we said yes to as a state.
	We said yes to science.
	We said yes to vaccines.
	We said yes to ending this pandemic.
	All right.
	And can I'm gonna come in with cut nine, okay?
	Cut nine.
	Is the hornster there?
	She can't hear us.
	Why?
	I don't know.
	Fix it.
	I'm working.
	All right.
	Yeah, something about that channel wasn't working quite correctly.
	Now we hear you, Jen.
	All right.
	Good.
	Hi.
	So is Larry one?
	Oh, Jen, you want to adjust your camera real quick?
	Yeah.
	What do you need?
	Less headroom.
	30 seconds.
	All right.
	Is that too high?
	Or is that good?
	That's a little less headroom.
	Little less headroom.
	20 seconds.
	And... That's good.
	How's that?
	Good?
	Yeah.
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	I'm not going to add more speak to anonymous, unconfirmed reports about conversations with limited context from here.
	But what I can assure you all of is that the President knows General Milley.
	He has been Chairman of the Joint Chiefs for almost eight months of his presidency.
	They've worked side by side through a range of international events.
	And the President has complete confidence in his leadership, his patriotism, and his fidelity to our Constitution.
	At the same time that the spokesman for the Department of Defense refuses to deny the reports that Mark Milley colluded with Communist China's military to do an end run around the President of the United States and insert himself into the chain of command, Which is illegal, which is against the US Constitution, because the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs isn't a commander.
	He's an advisor to the President of the United States, who happened back then to be my old boss, President Trump.
	We're back!
	It's time to talk about California, whether we like it or not!
	With our West Coast warrior princess who was the superlative hostess that we always expect when we had our town hall with Salem in Los Angeles at the weekend.
	Jennifer Horne, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you.
	It was so fun to be with you this Sunday.
	You know, being together on the radio is always great, but to get together in person at least once a year, whether we need it or not, is exactly what we needed to do.
	Now, I need to know.
	Right?
	That was fun.
	It was super fun.
	It was too short, but it was too super fun.
	Now, did Grant Stinchfield give you back the hoodies and the t-shirts I gave you in front of 1,400 people?
	Yes, he gave me back the hoodie and the one t-shirt, but you know it's very funny because that if you're woke, you're a loser red Donald Trump shirt that you brought just for me, that one ended up going home with Grant Stinchfield.
	Oh really?
	Oh yeah, I think he liked that one an awful lot and he laughed about it.
	He said, I talked to him about it today because he was out on Monday.
	Yesterday I did six hours of election coverage, so I was off the morning show, but I talked to him today and I said, did you steal my shirt?
	And sure enough, he copped to it, he laughed about it, but I told him that you gave me two America First hats.
	And I have to do a little try-on before I decide to send him one.
	I don't know which one I'm going to stand.
	All right, keep it hostage.
	And in the meantime, she's talking about these shirts, the shirts that we had made to honor President Trump coming on our show recently to celebrate his recent rally with his famous line.
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	All right, we've got to talk in the next segment.
	We'll talk about the story of the day, of the age that's spinning out of control here in DC with a man called Mark Milley, who, well, I wonder if he's got, as Jeff asked, I wonder if he's got any white rage today.
	We'll have you, Mark.
	Do you have any white rage today?
	But let's talk about the big story for California, Jennifer.
	Did they steal it?
	What's the latest result?
	When will the final official, you know, when they've printed enough fake ballots, when will that result be?
	Well, it was kind of interesting because the recall election did fail against Gavin Newsom.
	He did survive, at least for now.
	Right now, it was kind of interesting, though.
	The last vote count happened at 2 o'clock in the morning last night, Seb.
	I've been watching all morning long to see if they would update the numbers.
	They will not.
	And I think it's by design.
	I think they want it to look like more of a wipeout than it will actually be.
	Only 70% of precincts are in and reporting.
	Only 70% of the vote count is in.
	Right now it is separated at a 63.9 to 36.1 margin.
	So obviously we're under no grand illusions that we're going to make up all that room.
	But the ballots that haven't been counted yet were cast yesterday in person by mostly Republicans.
	So I think the margin on this is going to be a lot closer.
	But the Democrats want to say that they have a mandate and they're banking on the fact that people are checking the headlines today, looking at that big 30 point margin and then moving on.
	I think when all is said and done, this is going to tighten up quite a bit until we get that final tally.
	So the initial results are from all the early voting, the mail-in ballots.
	Then they have to add all the actual votes that were cast yesterday.
	If you look at the, you know, it's pretty much a consistent trend line across the states.
	The Democrats vote early because, hey, you know, Chicago, vote early, vote often.
	And Republicans usually like to vote in person to make sure that somebody hasn't voted in their name.
	You texted me yesterday, a very exciting text, that you went to vote in person because, you know, you want to secure your vote and you'd never had to wait in line like you had to yesterday because there were so many people, correct?
	Yeah, I have voted in every election.
	I kind of wear this as a badge of honor.
	I registered to vote at 17, registered as a Republican.
	The first election I ever voted in was for Bob Dole against Bill Clinton.
	And I have voted in every single election, every local national election, in person.
	Always shown up.
	Always made it happen.
	Yesterday was the first day that I stood in line and a lot of people were talking about that.
	I was on the air for six hours yesterday and everybody seemed to share the same experience.
	So I think there are going to be more day of votes that are coming in and this election was not without fraud.
	There were several instances of people calling me and telling me that they tried to vote for Larry Elder And his name wasn't on the ballot in places like Elk Grove, which is bi-sacramental, and down in Riverside.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Wasn't on the ballot?
	He was not on the ballot.
	In fact, the woman that called me from Riverside to report this said that she had to write him in as a candidate.
	And so for all of these... So the most visible, literally the most visible challenger to Nancy's nephew, how is he not on the ballot?
	Exactly.
	How is he not on the ballot?
	And what was going on to prevent him from being there?
	That sounds more than just a coincidence.
	To me, there were lots of people that called and this was documented not just on conservative talk radio, but in the mainstream news media that showed up to vote and they were told that they had already voted.
	So Look, this mail, a couple of lessons to learn from this.
	There are silver linings to take and that is that California has its fight back.
	We have recalls still percolating against people like George Gascon, a very liberal district attorney.
	I think California is more motivated than ever because we've seen how this is done.
	So I do think that there is some positive here.
	I think it is our job in talk radio to hold the GOP accountable.
	I have three people on.
	from the GOP yesterday against better judgment.
	Look, I know a lot of Republicans are angry with the GOP, but you have to ask them and we have to have them on our programs, holding them accountable to find out what they are doing to secure our elections and every single one of them.
	And I had confirmation of this said that there were lawyers deployed on the on the tab of the GOP, the national office of the GOP throughout the state watching the vote counts.
	That's a good step in the right Were they watching the votes?
	Were they counting the votes from November?
	Is that why they were there?
	Yeah, that's right.
	They were still there.
	They were still back on November.
	But certainly, I think at the end of this, we're going to see that Republicans were able to turn out more voters than they did when President Trump was on the ballot against President Biden.
	And so I think we can make some positive steps here.
	We've sent a message to the rest of the country that there's pushback in California, but we have to get a handle on the mail-in ballot scheme because that's what it is.
	It is a scheme.
	To extend Election Day for a month is ridiculous.
	To not require voter ID is ridiculous.
	In California, and I've said this a million times to you, Seb, we have 1.8 million more ballots out in circulation than we do registered voters.
	Yeah.
	And nobody in charge, who is a Democrat, cares about this.
	So we have to.
	This is the way we can come back and win elections, not just in California, but across the country.
	We have to make a stand.
	We have to tell our elected officials that this is the number one priority.
	She's the host of The Morning Answer, AM 590, AM 870, The Answer, the consummate hostess.
	Follow her at Jennifer Horne on Twitter.
	So let's say in, what is it, 16 days that they have to count the votes left, say the lead is tightened because of the Republicans who voted on the day down to maybe less than 30%, 25%.
	Isn't that a big deal?
	Isn't that a big deal that somebody who's not a politician challenges Newsom, who is part of the Democrat royalty in California, and that they give him a run for his money.
	I think the recall margin is going to tighten for sure.
	And already, look at what Larry Elder has accomplished.
	46.9% of the vote.
	Remember, on this program, we said it was possible that a candidate would win with the plurality of maybe 20%, 18%, maybe 25%.
	Larry Elder came in with 46% of the vote.
	He made in total $18 million.
	This is huge.
	Larry Elder came in with 46% of the vote.
	He made in total $18 million.
	This is huge.
	He was only in this race for a month.
	Yeah.
	And he really shook it up.
	You know, Gavin Newsom had to spend close to $100 million to beat him.
	He took a ton of money from Netflix, from Airbnb, from Mark Zuckerberg over at Facebook, from all of these corporations who want to be friends with Gavin Newsom because they know it has their perks.
	He will always pay them back.
	And so there was a lot to overcome.
	In a recall race, but to force Gavin Newsom to spend $100 million, to bring in all of his firepower, to show the American people that he's so out of touch, he doesn't know this is about California, he thinks it's about President Trump, who is living rent-free in his head.
	It's, you know, all in all, it's not a victory today, but certainly we had some wins.
	And it was fun.
	And it was fun.
	While it lasted.
	Follow her at Jennifer Horn.
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	Speed running the outro there.
	That sounds like I was speeding up.
	It was like an auctioneer.
	That's how we do.
	I saw it for the first time yesterday.
	Who is this pencil-necked realtor or something?
	Kevin Paffrath.
	Who's got two million followers on YouTube.
	Who is this person I've never heard of?
	He came in second.
	Kevin Paffrath.
	Yeah, who is he?
	He is a guy named Meet Kevin on YouTube.
	He's 29.
	Why is it not delayed now?
	It was delayed for the whole thing while I was talking to Jen, and now it's fine.
	That's so weird.
	It looks good to me, but usually it always looks terrible.
	Like it's a pixelated... And now it's fine, and then it was... Okay, guys, so who is this person?
	Oh, so he's a YouTube star.
	I'd never heard of him, but he came in second.
	Yeah, it doesn't say much for Kevin Faulkner and John Cox and Kevin Kiley.
	There were so many Kevins in this race.
	Way too many.
	I thought the story was how poorly Caitlyn Jenner did.
	Do you know in LA County that Angeline got more votes than Caitlyn Jenner?
	And if you don't know who Angeline is, she's an icon in Los Angeles.
	She's now 70 years old but she during the 70s and 80s would buy billboards and she's very voluptuous and blonde and she'd wear pink and she would drive around Ventura Boulevard in like a pink Cadillac.
	Oh yeah!
	She was in the last recall election, too.
	Yeah, she's run before, but she got more votes than Caitlyn in LA County.
	That's embarrassing.
	But she's a woman, right?
	She's a woman.
	Very much so.
	Two good reasons that I can show you why she is.
	Did you get that, Media Matters?
	Did you get that?
	Get Taipei.
	Hey, hey, what's his name?
	I always forget it.
	Who's the guy with the spooky voice?
	Zack.
	Zacky Poo.
	Did you get that?
	Is it Salon?
	No, is it Salon or the other one?
	I can never remember.
	I think it is Salon.
	Did you give your mom her phone back yet?
	Come on, she needs her phone back.
	Well, the thing with Pavarath, Jen, and this is what I noticed, is that first poll that had him number one candidates was SurveyUSA.
	It was the same poll that had Newsom losing.
	He only was ahead in one poll.
	Right.
	Well, because they listed all the Republican candidates, and he was the only Dem.
	So by default, of course, they're all going to pool around him.
	They did the same thing in 2018.
	You remember the U.S.
	Senate race?
	SurveyUSA, same poll.
	They did a poll.
	With James Bradley.
	Oh, no, not James Bradley.
	It was a poll of all the Dems, Feinstein, De Leon.
	There was one Republican in the field.
	It was Patrick Little.
	Do you remember that name?
	No.
	He was the literal neo-Nazi Holocaust denier who ran for Senate.
	Oh, nice.
	And he was the only Republican, so in that poll he came in first.
	They're like, oh, a neo-Nazi comes first in California.
	It's like, all it takes is one bad poll to instantly, artificially boost a candidate's profile.
	This guy, I think because he was a Democrat, was the only, for the people who actually voted, because Newsom kept saying no and go.
	So he didn't want people to vote for anybody, which I think is a weird tactic.
	Hang on, what's the percentage of voters that voted?
	Can we throw you back on Skype real quick, by the way?
	Yeah, of course.
	How was the turnout?
	I think it's at 40-something percent.
	Let me see what we've got so far.
	Votes are in right now, like 8 million votes.
	70% in still.
	Yeah, 22 million total.
	That's the thing that irritates me, is they're doing it so that they can show that it was like a landslide.
	Right out of the gate last night, it's the same thing.
	I'm like, how did all these big cities get their mail-in votes already counted?
	They're reporting like 60, 70% right away.
	Because they were counting before the election.
	Yeah, and when they know they're gonna win, they'll do that.
	It's not.
	Not another election.
	Oh, there we go.
	There we go.
	Can you come in with cut three, please?
	Cut three, got it.
	Who was that with?
	Was that Sean?
	That was Sean, right?
	Yeah, Spicer.
	Spicer.
	Okay, 10 seconds.
	Spicy!
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	- For him to say that I was going to attack China is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and everybody knows it, And I have to tell you, I don't know if they have him on tape saying this, but I found Woodward and I found his cohorts to be extremely dishonorable people.
	That's why I didn't do an interview with him.
	Highly overrated.
	This guy is one of the most overrated guys.
	He's a sleaze.
	But I did not ever think of attacking China.
	One other thing.
	I just read a report about a week ago where they said Donald Trump was the only president in decades that didn't start a war.
	The least, as a former employee of mine at Breitbart, you know who you are Jordan, tweeted out earlier today, the least interventionist president in modern history.
	That's who Donald Trump is and they expect you to believe that he was just about to press the button and launch the birds and nuke China.
	Yeah, yeah, right.
	So this is the trouble with the story.
	We have this absolute hack of a pathetic individual, Woodward, who's been trying to clamber back in relevance for 40 years, although he's a cretin.
	He was really the junior partner in the deep throat story that brought down Nixon.
	Then we have Millie, who has established a fact pattern of being a scumbag, of being a political actor in uniform.
	We'll see which of the aspects of this story holds water.
	But we've got to analyse it right now because that's why we're here.
	That's why we do live radio.
	And we're going to do it with our very good buddy Jennifer Horne, who sent me the video.
	It's up there, the whole town hall.
	If you couldn't make it to LA, watch it two hours with our buddies Dennis Prager.
	Mark Levin, Charlie Kirk, and Larry Elder.
	Let's post it right now.
	Let's put it on our Twitter and Facebook feeds.
	Talk to us, Jen.
	Let's leave the recall.
	Let's let them vote or photocopy the ballots, whatever they do.
	Take those suitcases of ballots from under the table.
	This story, is there any way to wiggle out of this for the Biden regime?
	I just, first of all, I want to say that you and Charlie Kirk, Dennis Prager, Mark Levin were all on fire on Sunday at Town Hall 2021.
	So if you don't get a chance, if you haven't seen it, you should watch it.
	Charlie and Dennis were like, whoa.
	And you too, my friend.
	You guys were, I mean, just nailing it.
	And it was so much fun to share a stage with you.
	That being said, no, there's no way to wiggle out of this.
	But the Democrats control everything and the media is controlled by the Democrats.
	And so maybe they will wiggle out of it.
	But have you wondered, We've heard so much during the Trump administration about deep state leaks, about all of these people, these sources within the intelligence community.
	I don't think we have to look very far.
	They're sitting right in front of us.
	Yep, absolutely.
	Actually, somebody just DM'd me that literally moments ago that, uh, could the leaks be Millie?
	Why not?
	Absolutely.
	And this, you know, it is so disappointing because there were certain things that were not politicized and that would be intelligence, that would be, gosh, the military, and that would be our health.
	And now, yes, and now all of these three things are being politicized and we're now in team sports.
	This is ridiculous.
	We used to be Americans.
	Think back to after 9-11, when we stood there on September the 12th, all standing, proud of our flag, proud of our country.
	Where has that gone?
	And it's gone this way because the swamp is trying to keep us all divided so that they can keep gaining power.
	Hang on, I gotta jump in there.
	You just made me really angry there.
	I just realized what you said.
	The import of what you just said.
	The fact that the incumbent regime stood there in New York, nobody gave a speech because they didn't want Biden to be heckled because that's the end of presidency if a survivor from 9-11 or a family member heckles him for Kabul or anything else.
	They stand there and they deliberately don't invite The mayor of New York during 9-11.
	They don't invite President Trump.
	This is the 20th anniversary of the greatest terror attack in the modern age which occurred on US soil.
	That's not on us.
	I'm sorry, Jen.
	Maybe you don't like my style.
	You don't like my accent.
	I don't care.
	That's not on us.
	Not inviting the other president or the mayor of New York who was there to bring New York back from the attack.
	Not inviting them.
	That's on the Democrats, Jen.
	That is absolutely right.
	And Seb, I'm telling you that if this were another Republican president, the invitations would have gone out and the Democrats still wouldn't have come.
	And that's because they don't really care that much.
	This was the most important, really, national event of my lifetime.
	9-11 was significant for multiple reasons.
	It changed my life, changed my career.
	9-11, it's not a joke.
	9-11 is why I'm in America now as an American.
	After 9-11, I was invited to teach for the DoD in Germany.
	My life changed inexorably because of that one event.
	And we didn't suffer any personal loss.
	No!
	But my life changed.
	I became involved with politics.
	I started walking precincts and doing everything I could for George W. Bush.
	I got involved with politics at that moment because it was important to me.
	And how dare the President of the United States can't get it together, can't take a few boos to go up and stand and try to unify us again after he ran on that?
	This guy is a disgrace.
	He is no longer my president.
	And I'm not one of those people that say, not my president because I think it's stupid when they do it to Republicans.
	But truly, this is someone who I cannot respect because he should have come out there.
	He should have been there for the American people.
	This was not about politics.
	And so, of course, his military is going to reflect the politics that he's imparted on the country.
	Of course, the health care system is going to be turning us against one another because this is what they want us to do.
	This is the grand distraction.
	so that they can empower themselves, they can make money, they can continue to slide on in their trajectory, while the rest of us are engaging in this war with ourselves.
	It is absolutely ridiculous.
	And I don't know how anyone can go to the voting booth again and cast a vote for not just Joe Biden, but the party who props him up.
	It's despicable.
	No, it is.
	It is.
	So, what is the big take home?
	How long was the recall campaign?
	When did it begin, Jennifer?
	It wasn't long, right?
	Oh gosh, I haven't had much sleep in the last few days.
	Let's see, it was on the ballot.
	We learned it was going to qualify for the ballot somewhere around April.
	Right, so this isn't something that's been happening for years, okay?
	Right, it's new.
	What is the lesson learned of this result that so much can be done in such a short time?
	What's the biggest thing that Californians who believe in California and believe in America should write on their copy book tonight?
	This is something that was done with the blood, sweat, and tears of the people of California.
	And when we organize and we fight back, we can make a difference.
	And yes, this was our first try.
	Look, California has been long gone for a long time, and it's not going to come back overnight.
	But we can incrementally do what we need to do to get there.
	So step by step, we make them, we hold them accountable, we send the message to the rest of the country not to copy what's going on in California.
	It also teaches us that if we want to win in 2022, we've got to get the mail-in ballot thing corrected.
	We can't allow them to continue fear-mongering with us about COVID-19 because we can go vote.
	The fact that we have a 30-day election cycle is no longer acceptable.
	We need to fix it.
	That's not an election day.
	That's just an excuse to cheat for weeks and weeks and weeks.
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	That's just an empirical fact.
	Don't be a science denier.
	Six hours of live radio yesterday.
	Follow this lady.
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	Good stuff.
	Good to see you.
	Did you have a good trip back?
	Uh, no, it was a red eye.
	I know, and you didn't sleep at all.
	It was a killer.
	I fell asleep twice for about 15 minutes.
	Sleeping on airplanes is always the worst, because the minute your head falls, you just yank it back up.
	There's not enough support in the neck area.
	That's why I prefer trains.
	Trains are civilized.
	Civilized, for sure.
	Are you going to get a rest now?
	Are you going to take a day off like Gron did?
	Just flake out?
	No, I'm not going to flake out.
	I think I am going to work the rest of the week.
	I am taking my dad out of town for one night because I gave him a night away for Father's Day.
	Nice!
	So we're going to do that.
	So I'll get a little bit of time, but then I'll be back on Monday.
	I'll probably take some time off, maybe next month sometime.
	Wow.
	Yeah, but it was good.
	We had fun.
	Sunday was a lot of fun and a lot of good feedback.
	Yeah, everybody said the same thing.
	They said it was too short.
	Yeah, and what's funny is how he had to stretch.
	But where Larry was coming from in Simi Valley, it's a wonder he even got there.
	How was Larry?
	Because I was in the back.
	How did he do?
	Oh, mics are on.
	It was shorter, I think, than it would have been at the beginning, but because he had that Rose McGowan thing, we shortened it a bit.
	Oh, that was the same time?
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah.
	The Rose McGowan thing came out earlier in the day, and then he drove down.
	So I think it was good.
	And the fact that, look, I was impressed that he stayed all the way through the end meeting all those people.
	I thought he was going to be gone.
	I had no idea when we were supposed to leave.
	And just when you left, I was like, all right, well, I guess I'll go too.
	Because Terry Faye came by and he's like, yeah, you can go now if you want.
	I had no idea where we were supposed to leave and I didn't even know Larry was in the room until we walked in and saw Nina.
	Was the guy high on hash, was he there when you left?
	When I walked out, though, those security guys walked me out, and there was a guy who... He stopped me.
	He's like, can I have a picture before you leave?
	I was trying to catch you, and you were walking out.
	So other than that, I gave him a picture.
	But no, thankfully, the weed guy was not there.
	That guy was insane.
	He was nuts.
	All right, my dear.
	Get some rest.
	All right.
	All right.
	Have a good rest of the week, guys.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye.
	Open or no?
	No.
	Too many important cuts.
	All right.
	Last segment before the next guest.
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	Oh, that plane thing reminded me.
	I had a flight back from my study abroad on Air France.
	2019 is before all the masks and everything.
	And I was crammed in.
	I wasn't next to anyone who I went on study abroad with.
	And it was just... I had the smelliest person next to me.
	Oh, no.
	It was just... It was putrid.
	And I sat there and I put the thing that goes over your eyes, the sleeping mask, right over my...
	Oh, funny.
	And the thing that reminded me of that is Jen said, oh, when you go to sleep, your head just shoots back up.
	Because it was this lady who was next to me, and she smelled terrible.
	But also, she was falling asleep, bobbing back up, but was still asleep when bobbing her head back up and down.
	It was crazy.
	That's creepy.
	I was just, I was like, ah!
	Clearly had an impression on you.
	All right, I'm going to go through all the Millie-related cuts, but I'm going to tee up five first, the long cut.
	All right.
	Five first, the long cuts.
	Yeah, this is... and then we're movie magic for the rest of the day.
	Movie magic.
	Uh-huh.
	Alright, 15 seconds.
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	The President, President Trump, was on my buddy Sean Spicer's show last night talking about the fact that they play hardball.
	Sean Spicer on the Board of Visitors for the Annapolis Naval Academy was told to resign, ordered to resign by the White House last week.
	He refused and he raised the issue with President Trump last night.
	This is Cut Five.
	If you ran for president again and won, excluding the statutory boards like the military service academies, would you kick off every Biden presidential appointee on day one on all of those other presidential commissions?
	Well, I might because, you know, what he did is unprecedented.
	As you know, that I mean, we have some incredible General Keene.
	We have we have great people on those boards and for them to throw them off never happened before.
	And look, they're vicious people.
	That's all they're good at.
	They use prosecutors all over the place.
	They use local prosecutors, federal prosecutors.
	And yet, Hunter Biden is fine, OK?
	They do — what they're doing is horrible.
	They're throwing all of these people off.
	These are great people, including you, Sean.
	These are great people.
	And it's not a long term.
	It's a three — generally speaking, it's three-year terms.
	Do you remember that?
	disrespectful.
	For our country, it's very disrespectful.
	So yeah, I guess I'd have to consider it.
	You know, he was going to be the great unifier, but he's not a unifier.
	He's the opposite.
	He's worse than Obama.
	Do you remember that?
	He said he would unify us.
	Unify us on Inauguration Day.
	It's time to play hardball like they do.
	Let's talk about the military.
	Let's talk about the accusations against Milley.
	This is Miles Taylor.
	Anonymous, remember him?
	The guy who used to get us the coffee in the White House when he was working for DHS and then attacked the president.
	And this is what he said on CNN to justify treason.
	Cut seven.
	The president's own top military advisor at that time didn't see Russia and China and Iran as the biggest threats to the United States.
	He saw the president of the United States as the biggest threat to the country.
	That is alarming.
	Two, though, Chris, why is this not surprising?
	Because I witnessed it.
	I saw cabinet secretaries in the first year of this administration talking about the potential of invoking the 25th Amendment because they were worried the president was so mentally unstable.
	Mentally unstable?
	Was he falling up the stairs three times?
	Was he calling his sister his wife and his wife his sister?
	Miles Taylor, you're a pathetic individual, but you're also a propagandist and a liar.
	But there's something to what you said.
	You know, sometimes the truth just slips out that Milley saw the president as a greater threat than China and Iran.
	Well listen to this cut.
	This is from six years ago and this is Milley at a NATO meeting talking about China.
	China is not an enemy.
	I think that's important for people to clearly understand.
	China is a rising power.
	China has been a rising power since Deng Xiaoping in 79 and they've been clicking off a 10% growth for Almost 30 years, and they dropped down about 7% last year or two.
	And they'll probably drop again and come into the range of normalcy and 3% to 5% growth.
	But that's still significant economic growth.
	And there's been a really large historic change from a North Atlantic-based global economy to now it's proceeding to be a North Pacific-based global economy.
	So with respect to China, what normally happens historically It's not in all cases, but in most cases.
	Where you have economic growth of that magnitude typically follows military power.
	And that's what we're seeing.
	We're seeing a significant increase in Chinese military capabilities over the last 10 to 20 years.
	And they are going to develop themselves, and are developing themselves, into a great power.
	That is not to say, however, that they are an enemy.
	He's on their side.
	Did you hear that?
	He's on their side.
	China has said they want to displace us.
	And Milley says they're not our enemy.
	It gets worse.
	This is Wesley Clark, General Wesley Clark, who worked for Clinton, and this is his excuse for Milley's treason.
	Cut 10.
	I think Milley was totally within his responsibilities.
	And frankly, he'd have been derelict if he hadn't done this.
	So I think he's got a huge support base here among those of us who know how the system works.
	Within his duties, he's advisor to the president.
	Who elected Milley?
	Nobody.
	Who elected President Trump?
	64 million Americans.
	This is a general Justifying the treason of an active general.
	That is the severity of the situation we're in.
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	So, as I regaled you in the last couple of days, I was in California over the weekend, and we had an amazing town hall with Dennis Prager, Charlie Kirk, the man who sadly looks like he won't be the governor, Larry Elder, and also the great one Mark Levin, and afterwards we had a lovely reception It's amazing to find so many patriots in California.
	And one lady came up to me and said, hi, I'm Barbie.
	And she was a pistol.
	She was full of energy.
	And I said, we need you on my show.
	She is the state director for that incredible movement, the Blexit campaign in California, Barbara George.
	Welcome to America First.
	Thank you so much.
	It's a pleasure to be here.
	So tell us about why you came to that event, what's going on in California, your reaction to the results that are still coming in, given the Democrats are on the state.
	Who knows?
	It might take weeks and weeks for the final election results to come in.
	But talk to us about who you are and what you do.
	Well, I hold many positions here in California.
	There's so much work that needs to be done.
	I was at the town hall event, actually, as a board member for California Hispanic Republicans.
	And I'm also an advisory board member of a group called BASTA, which in Spanish, it means Enough is Enough.
	And also as the State Director of BLEXIT California, which is a 501c3, and we service the underserved community with education and all kinds of community outreach initiatives.
	So Candace Owens, Warrior Princess, made this concept, Blexit, the black exit from the Democrat political plantation popular.
	Explain to those who may not have heard about this before what the goals are of this organization, why we need a Blexit.
	Well, BLEXUS started out, as you said, as the black exit from liberal ideology, but it is so much more now.
	And we are a organization that serves all underserved communities.
	We have state directors who are of every race and ethnicity.
	We actually have two state directors who are white.
	So it goes beyond just the black And we go into the communities and we educate people in underserved communities on school choice, on backing the blue, on entrepreneurship to escape poverty and government dependence.
	We want to let the underserved communities know that there are choices and we don't have to be pigeonholed or placed in a box to believe, act, and vote in a certain way.
	Follow this lady on Twitter, Barbara George OC.
	That's Barbara George OC.
	One of your colleagues came up to us as we were talking after the town hall this weekend in California.
	And we started this discussion with him and I found it fascinating because, look, I'm an outsider.
	I'm white.
	I wasn't even born in America.
	So there you go for my identity politics credentials.
	But I have a theory.
	That when it comes to the burgeoning Hispanic community, that if you look at where they come from, if you look at their cultural heritage, these are people who are inherently more conservative than somebody who's not a Hispanic in terms of religion and family and child rearing.
	Am I wrong?
	Talk to us about that conversation we had.
	What are you finding?
	Because you're there on the ground reaching out to these communities.
	Could these be The people that helped save the Republic?
	Well, yes.
	Thank you again.
	The Hispanic community is traditionally conservative, but a lot of them are uninformed about there being conservative values in the community and in the way people are brought up.
	The Hispanic community is a hard-working community.
	They do not truly enjoy entitlements.
	They do not destroy their children, and they have a very hard work ethic and respect authority.
	Now, I understand that the Spanish news media does not report on a lot of current topics that are going on right now and I have taken it upon myself to partner with groups and go into the Hispanic communities, go to backyard town halls that we hold
	to non-english-speaking communities, and I have translated materials on critical race theory, or the sex ed curriculum that passed here, AB 329, and it is amazing to see how they are absolutely astounded and gobsmacked to know, to learn, that these things are being implemented and taught in our schools.
	This is what is being taught to their children, and they are not happy to learn of these things, but it does give them the The tools that they need to make the choices on whether or not to keep their children in school, whether to find alternatives.
	And it is really important that we reach out to the Hispanic community.
	Because the mainstream Hispanic media is actually pumping the left-wing propaganda.
	We've only got 60 seconds left.
	Support this lady's work.
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	Last question, 30 seconds.
	What is your message to those who have conservative values, but in the Hispanic community, in the black community, because of, I don't know, tradition, have been voting Democrat all their lives.
	What's your message, Barbara?
	Well, I ask people all the time, while you have been voting the same way, how have your conditions improved?
	Your tax money is being misappropriated.
	Your schools are failing.
	Your roads are not good.
	The homeless problem increases.
	So perhaps you should consider the other choices that you have and stop voting the same for people who are not serving you.
	As Candace Owens put it, please watch the video I did with her for Prager University, it's time for Black America to emancipate themselves.
	Yes, you can do it.
	Get off the Democrat political plantation and support the work of people like Barbara.
	God bless you, Barbara.
	Whatever happens with that vote count, we can save California.
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	We've got the evidence.
	This is all I need.
	You heard me earlier today read it, the statement, the press statement that was released as the White House was holding its press conference talking about, oh, Mark Milley, he's wonderful, we love him.
	This is Mark Milley's press spokesman, Colonel David Butler, not denying, this is a non-denial that he called the Chinese Communist Army on January the 8th.
	and did an end run around the chain of command.
	The accusation is he warned them.
	He said, I'm gonna be your guy.
	If President Trump does anything crazy, I'll give you a heads up.
	This doesn't deny it.
	It says, well, he's regularly in touch with his counterparts.
	You don't have a counterpart in communist China, and that is an admission of treason.
	This man, in a normal functioning republic with rule of law, he would already have been perp-walked out of the Pentagon by federal marshals, because we can't trust the FBI anymore.
	And he would be in a holding cell, he'd be in the brig, and he'd be up before a court-martial for aiding and abetting our enemies.
	But we don't have rule of law, therefore it's up to us.
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	I gave my word with all of my heart.
	I believe this is the right decision, a wise decision, and the best decision for America.
	Wise, right and best decision.
	Best decision ever made by any president.
	That is the man who sadly bears the title President of the United States, speaking after his decision to pull out all military from Afghanistan after 20 years of war.
	Was it the right decision?
	Was it the best decision?
	Let's put it all in proper geopolitical, geostrategic context with somebody I've known for many, many years, who probably has created the best unclassified source on terrorism, the terrorist threat, and what is happening around the globe when it comes to the global jihadi movement.
	It is the Long War Journal, and he is its editor and founder, Bill Roggio.
	Bill, welcome to America First One-on-One.
	Thanks, Seb.
	It's great to be on.
	It's great to see you again.
	So, Bill, this is our opportunity to talk uninterrupted, long-form discussion on big issues that matter.
	Sadly, your work is Probably more relevant than it has ever been since you founded the Long War Journal.
	If you're not familiar with it, seriously guys, the Long War Journal is what the experts go to to find out what's going on in the jihadi movement.
	Longwarjournal.org.
	But before we talk about that, before we talk about this recent decision in Afghanistan, what it means for all Americans, for national security, Tell our millions of listeners and viewers across the country who are not familiar either with you or the Long War Journal, your story.
	So what you did in the past, how you've served the nation and why you created the Long War Journal.
	Yeah, it's quite a long story.
	I'll try and give you the one minute drill here.
	So yeah, I founded the Long War Journal in December, I'm sorry, September of 2007.
	I was going to do an embed in Iraq with U.S.
	military.
	But prior to that, I was running my own personal blog.
	I got into this because of my past in the military, studying Al Qaeda in the 1990s while I was in the military and out of the military.
	So after 9-11, this sort of became, I guess, a project of mine while I was working full-time in another field.
	I moved to it professionally in 2006.
	I started embedding with U.S. military in 2005, went to Iraq and Afghanistan with U.S. troops and watched them fight jihadist groups, insurgent groups in both Afghanistan and in Iraq.
	And then by 2007, I decided, you know, it needed something.
	It needed to be a little bit bigger than me because I had some other individuals working with.
	Tom Jocelyn, who's my colleague at Foundation for Defense of Democracies, He's also the editor of the Long War Journal.
	We wanted to create a more professional site to house our work and to study the Jihad.
	So that was the birth of the Long War Journal, and we've been tracking Al-Qaeda, then the rise of the Islamic State.
	Our website's banned in Pakistan going on, I think, eight years now.
	It's probably my greatest professional achievement.
	I know that I've gotten under the skin of the Pakistanis.
	Um, they don't like our coverage of their support for jihadist groups that attack India, as well as their support for, um, the Afghan Taliban and they're killing a journalist, things of that nature.
	So yeah, we got an eight year ban there and it's ongoing and yeah, we've just been plugging away, uh, for, for years and years in 2014, I I was the one.
	If you've seen a map on television that was showing Afghanistan going red, that's a product I started creating seven years ago.
	So that's what we do at The Long War Journal.
	We look at issues.
	We're not looking for sound bites.
	We're not looking to give the hot take on the current jihadist movement.
	We're looking at these groups in depth, following what they say, what they do, put them together, and then look at, is U.S.
	policy towards these groups working or not working?
	Um, yeah, and that's what that was a big part of what I did with that map for Afghanistan, because I began tracking it very early on once we turned over control to the primary control to the Afghan military.
	I recognized the flaw in U.S.
	counterinsurgency strategy and the flaw in negotiations with the Taliban.
	And, you know, look, I'll tell you this, Seb, and, um, you know, and I hear officials say things like, we never saw this coming.
	We had no idea that the Taliban could take over so soon.
	In late winter, early spring, I actually powered down a little bit, dialed back the amount of work I was producing outwardly to take a little break, because I knew this was coming.
	I knew when May 1st, that deadline for the U.S.
	would drop in.
	I knew the Taliban was gonna launch its offensive, and I even predicted that the Afghan government would be lucky to make it out by the end of the summer.
	And it all happened, and like you said, it's sad.
	I never more in my life wish I was wrong.
	than it was this summer, but here we are.
	That's what you get when you play it down the middle and you try to call the balls and strikes.
	And that's what we do at the Long War Journal, and that's why we have a lot of success tracking these jihadi movements.
	And just in a sentence, the idea that the withdrawal, the retreat, the surrender in Kabul and Afghanistan was the best decision.
	It was the right decision.
	Your reaction, Bill?
	Yeah.
	In some ways, I'm sympathetic to President Biden AND BEING FRUSTRATED AT THE U.S.
	effort in Afghanistan.
	But what he did was wrong.
	And the reason I'm sympathetic, U.S.
	military commanders have stood up and told us, we've turned the corner.
	The Afghan military is prepared to defend the country.
	They've told us things like the Taliban is a group that we can negotiate with.
	This is also coming from government officials.
	So watching particularly the failure in U.S.
	strategy and the execution of U.S.
	strategy in Afghanistan, If I'm president of the United States, I get the frustration there.
	But abandoning the Afghan people to the wolves of the Taliban and the Pakistani state, and then to a lesser degree, the Iranians, all of whom supported the Taliban, and in a manner that it was done, it was reprehensible.
	There was a way, if you wanted to leave Afghanistan, you could have left.
	You didn't have to So cut a deal with the Taliban that the Trump administration did.
	You didn't have to honor that deal with the Biden administration did.
	There was a lot wrong with the US exit.
	There could have been a more gradual drawdown, letting the Afghans know that we were planning, you know, that we were leaving and we'd help you transition, but literally pulling the rug out from the Afghans.
	We built their military to be wholly dependent on air power to fight.
	And then we withdrew that air power immediately.
	and expected them to survive.
	You know, people say the Afghans didn't fight.
	They wouldn't fight for their country.
	More than 66 Afghan soldiers, policemen, and other security personnel died.
	66,000.
	No, 66,000.
	Yes, I said 6,000.
	66,000 have died over the last several years.
	Let's address, let's drill down on one issue straight away.
	You're somebody who's tracked this since 2016, who's been embedded, who's worn the uniform of the US military.
	This idea that this is Taliban 2.0, Bill.
	They're going to be inclusive.
	And when you hear the Secretary of State Blinken say, well, you know, they can be a legitimate international partner.
	Is there any such thing as Taliban 2.0 that's going to be good, guys?
	Yeah.
	You know, there is a Taliban 2.0.
	It's just not the Taliban 2.0 that we wished it was.
	Right.
	It's worse.
	It's stronger and worse than the first one, right?
	That's exactly right, Seb.
	And I'll just quickly It's a military that's blooded by fighting both the U.S.
	and NATO and an Afghan military trained by the U.S., one that's won on the battlefield, armed with billions of dollars of U.S.
	equipment and stocked with supplies of ammunition and other war material, with sensitive equipment like high-tech radios and night-vision gear.
	And then when you look at the propaganda side of it, it's It outfoxed the U.S.
	in negotiations with the international community.
	It got the U.S.
	to sign a withdrawal agreement and then execute a U.S.
	withdrawal agreement.
	It's gotten other countries to recognize it.
	It's feted by the Chinese and the Russians and the Pakistanis and the Iranians.
	And, you know, it's been the Islamic Ulema Council recognized the Taliban as a legitimate government.
	So they've got new bodies, new nation state actors supporting them, weapons, recognition by the Ulema Council.
	Could there be a worse scenario in terms of strengthening the Taliban bill?
	No, I mean, the only the only worst case scenario here is if they, you know, if it opened up training camps for al Qaeda and other jihadist groups and openly trained them And armed them.
	That would be it.
	They're not going to do that because that would probably be a bridge too far and would invite U.S.
	airstrikes.
	At least I think.
	Who knows with this administration?
	The way that the U.S.
	executed this withdrawal was, you know, certainly if I was the Taliban, I would not be fearful of U.S.
	action.
	But that's probably a bridge too far for the Taliban.
	Well, it's hard to tell.
	One of the biggest mistakes we make, and I have told this again and again and again to our intelligence community, is to mirror image, to expect our adversaries and our enemies to think as per our logic, as per our rationale.
	No, no, no.
	That's not how it works.
	Whether it's communist China, Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin, whether it's the Mullahs in Iran, or whether it's the Taliban that gave succor to, that aided and protected Bin Laden 25, 20 years ago, they're not thinking like Americans.
	We're talking to the founder, the editor of the superlative long war journal, longwarjournal.org.
	You can follow him at Bill Roggio.
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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Let me stay on this issue, if I may, Bill, of the state of our knowledge in America when it comes to post-Cold War threats.
	So it was relatively easy.
	I'm a child of the Cold War, I admit it.
	I miss it immensely because it was so easy.
	Because back then, to understand how much danger we were in, you counted the number of tanks the Russians had and the Warsaw Pact had.
	You looked at the speed of their ICBMs and how many subs they had, and that was it.
	You did a kind of cost-benefit analysis balance sheet.
	Oh, we've got more tanks than them, but they've got Sputnik, and then it's relatively methodologically simple.
	In the post-Cold War environment, we had to learn a lot.
	And I'll just share one story with you.
	You tell me if you have a similar experience.
	So I spent my years prior to joining the Trump administration, traveling the country, I'm teaching people about the ideology of the bad guys.
	What does Al Qaeda believe?
	What does ISIS believe?
	What do you need to know about it?
	And there was one moment here in DC, in an undisclosed location, where I was briefing about 50, 60 intel analysts from various agencies in the room, and then on a civet, on a secure video teleconference facility, they were out stations across the country.
	I start talking about, you know, the difference between AQ and ISIS and so forth, and literally, Bill, I'm about seven minutes in, and one of the female analysts in the room says, excuse me, sir, can I ask a question?
	Sure, anything.
	And she said to me, this is an intelligence analyst with a TS clearance, top secret clearance.
	What is this Sunni Shia thing?
	Could you explain that to me?
	Bill, you've got to laugh because you're going to cry if you don't.
	Talk to us about your experience, the fact that your images, your maps of Afghanistan are the ones that we'll see on TV screens, in hearings, you know, on Capitol Hill.
	How bad has our knowledge of our enemies been in the global war on terror?
	It's been horrific.
	I'm going to share a story for you.
	This was sort of at the beginning.
	I remember I gave a talk at I can't remember.
	I think it was a conference put together by the National Counterterrorism Center, but don't quote me on that.
	And I had a member of a, at this point, this was probably around 2009-10, and a member of a U.S.
	military agency Comes up to me and he says, Hey, I'm the lead guy who, um, you know, I have about 30 people working for me and we do open source intelligence tracking.
	And he's like, and he says to me, how do you do this?
	How are you gathering all this information?
	And, you know, at this time we were doing these little like news links, updates and little summaries of each country and then writing every day.
	And I looked at this guy in working, working for the department of defense.
	I can't think of how many millions of dollars this guy has in his budget.
	And my jaw dropped, at least inside my mind it did.
	So let me be clear for those who don't understand.
	I mean, when he says open source intelligence, he's asking, how do I find stuff out that isn't classified?
	I mean, this is the depth of the question.
	He's not saying, how do I reprogram that keyhole satellite to take images of the ISI in the Panjshir?
	No, no, no.
	How do I do what Bill does?
	How do I do?
	And he's got the budget inside the US military.
	I guess that's why you created the Long War Journal, right, Bill?
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, literally, I thought my immediate thought was, if I had a tenth of this guy's budget, I could kill the world.
	I mean, open source intelligence is extremely important.
	I mean, people who I speak with Tell me that my success is because I'm using the information that's available.
	You know, the only difference between a lot of the stuff that is float source, that's either satellite information or confidential sources, but a lot of the information they're gathering is available in the open source, one way or another.
	And so, you know, that's how we've succeeded at, Tom and I have succeeded at The Long War Journal.
	And it's moments like that where you're just wondering, what the hell is going on inside of it?
	What is the government?
	Spending money on.
	And how could you just not figure out how to read the newspaper and process information?
	This is just basic skills.
	I don't think you need a college degree to do this.
	It certainly wouldn't hurt, but it's not required.
	It may.
	It may hurt, given what's happened to colleges lately.
	I'm not sure it helps.
	We talked to Bill Roger, a fan of the Longwood Journal.
	Bill, we don't have time to share the knowledge you've accumulated in over a decade tracking this stuff.
	But I want to be of value to those that have an interest, especially given the decision in Kabul with regards to surrendering Afghanistan.
	Talk to us.
	Give a little bit of clarity on the biggest moving parts of the threat environment.
	Explain to us the difference, the relationship and the competing interests of Al-Qaeda.
	So where is Al-Qaeda today?
	And how it compares with ISIS and this ISIS-K.
	And then where does the Taliban fit in?
	We'll leave the Shia, we'll leave al-Nusra and Iran for a second.
	Talk to us about the three big pieces of Sunni terrorism today.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And I'm going to just take a real quick second to take a broad look at this.
	When President Biden said the threat has basically metastasized and spread to other areas, he's absolutely correct.
	This is the failure.
	Of our efforts post 9-11 because pre 9-11 the Taliban, the Taliban hosted Al-Qaeda and that was the main base for Al-Qaeda.
	That's where they operated openly and ran training camps and whatnot and they operated at cellular level.
	Now it's spread out and there's these insurgencies are the lifeblood of the Jihad.
	They use this safe haven that exists pre 9-11 in Afghanistan and Afghanistan today to take the fight to they want to establish their local Emirates.
	Build a caliphate, and then take the fight to the West.
	That's all part of their strategy.
	Today, that threat is metastasized across the globe, but that isn't the reason to surrender Afghanistan.
	And in Afghanistan today, now the Taliban controls the country.
	Al-Qaeda is its prime ally.
	Al-Qaeda played a major role in this Taliban's offensive.
	It's not advertised, but I'd have to go into detail and do a whole conversation on how Al-Qaeda played a major role in this offensive behind the scenes.
	You'll just have to take my word for it.
	So this is very important.
	So Al-Qaeda was an important part of the Taliban recapturing Afghanistan.
	That's what you're saying, Bill?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	The misconception about Al Qaeda and even the Islamic State is that they're solely focused on conducting attacks here in the United States.
	That's a tactic.
	That's something they hope to do.
	It's something they want to do to break our will and punish us.
	But how do they achieve that?
	They achieve that by gathering recruits, training, because remember, the real goal is to establish a global caliphate.
	That's what they want.
	They do that by take their plan is take country by country.
	So Al-Qaeda did this.
	They played a major role by helping these disparate jihadist groups that are that are under the Al-Qaeda banner that are from Central Asia and from Pakistan.
	So groups like Turkestan Islamic Party, Ansarullah, Islamic Movement Uzbekistan.
	They helped integrate these groups into the Taliban.
	And that's how the Taliban was able to take over the north.
	Al-Qaeda has been running training camps inside of Afghanistan.
	Some of the camps have been raided and destroyed by the U.S.
	military.
	Shorabakh camp in Kandahar in 2015.
	U.S.
	officials have lied, and this is across three successive administrations, about the status of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and its relationship with the Taliban.
	We'll talk about what they've done and how they've twisted reality.
	We'll talk about what they've done and how they've done.
	We'll talk about what they've done and how they've done.
	We'll talk about what they've done and how they've done.
	We'll talk about what they've done and how they've done.
	We'll talk about what they've done and how they've done.
	We'll talk about what they've done and how they've done.
	We'll talk about what they've done and how they've done.
	We'll talk about what they've done and how they've done and how they've done.
	We'll be right back.
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	Huge, inordinate propaganda victory to be exploited for years.
	Is the Taliban taking over Afghanistan from the Americans?
	Can you explain the enormity for them?
	Not in military terms, but in terms of ideological messaging?
	Yeah, look, what happened in Afghanistan stayed in Afghanistan.
	We could all just shrug our shoulders and say we lost a brush war.
	But what you just mentioned here is the real victory.
	They have a safe haven now.
	But the message to their supporters, to their donors, to potential recruits across the world is, see, you can fight the West and you can beat them.
	Yes, it takes time and there is sacrifice, but that's what the whole point of jihad is, right?
	Waging war over long term to achieve Allah's mission.
	That's what they fight for.
	That's what they recruit for.
	And that's what they raise money for.
	Look what happened in Iraq and Syria when the Islamic State took over an area the size of Britain across the border in both countries.
	Look at the recruiting boon and the propaganda boon the Islamic State had.
	But the Islamic State was opposed, right?
	It had the Syrians and the Russians and the Iranians and the PKK Kurds inside Syria and then the Iranians and the Afghan government and the U.S.
	on the other side fighting the Islamic State.
	And it still took years.
	Ultimately, take away their territorial control.
	They're not defeated.
	They're still there.
	Where's the opposition to the Taliban today?
	Where does that exist?
	It's not coming from Pakistan, Iran, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan.
	Those are all the countries surrounding it.
	This propaganda victory paired with the safe haven is a massive boon for the al Qaeda side of the equation.
	The Islamic State, which operates there, and I realize I dodged this on the first question you asked.
	Yeah, tell us how ISIS fits into this.
	We hear about ISIS and ISIS-Khorasan, ISIS-K.
	Are they now in the minor leagues because of AQ and the Taliban's success?
	It all depends on the theater.
	In Afghanistan, Islamic State, Khorasan Province, it's a minor player.
	By the way, have anyone noticed that there hasn't been any suicide attacks since the one that killed the U.S.
	Marines?
	Interesting.
	The Taliban are parading their forces.
	They have government buildings.
	They're taking down blast walls.
	Where are these attacks?
	Anyway, they're a minor group in Afghanistan.
	So let me just tease, because you raised a very important question.
	There's that one suicide attack that killed, what is it, 60 Afghans and then 13 American servicemen and women.
	Nothing since then.
	Does that mean that suddenly, magically, ISIS-Khorasan is weak?
	Or does it mean that they realize they shouldn't be attacking the Taliban?
	Well, it might mean something else.
	The United Nations started reporting a couple of years ago that the Haqqani Network, which is an integral part of the Taliban, it's closely tied to Al Qaeda, that it has been used since the Haqqani Network was, I'm sorry, since the Islamic State was defeated by the Taliban, because they're enemies.
	The Islamic State and the Al Qaeda-Taliban side of the equation, those two are allies.
	The Islamic State threatens the Taliban's primacy of the jihad and its state-building project.
	The Islamic State wants everyone to swear allegiance to their caliphate.
	So they fought them on the ground and kicked them out of their last strongholds in eastern Afghanistan, in Nangarhar province.
	Since then, the United Nations has been reporting that there's evidence that the Haqqani Network has been using Islamic State fighters as cutouts for some of these horrific attacks in Afghanistan, particularly in and around Kabul.
	Attacks that could kill civilians, that target Shia, that attack hospitals and I'm good.
	It takes the responsibility off of the United States.
	I'm sorry, off of the Taliban.
	So let me just clarify here.
	So the Taliban, which is now, quote unquote, the government, is exploiting using ISIS fighters as a cutout, as a proxy to attack people they want to attack, like the Shia or like remaining Western symbols, but not take like the Shia or like remaining Western symbols, but not take the heat themselves because they're now the Correct?
	Is that what you're saying?
	Yes.
	I'm not going to say, I can't sit here and say that he attacked and killed Marines, that this was the case.
	But there is evidence that these type of operations have happened in the past.
	There is, you know, and I.
	What I suspect is that the Haqqani Network co-opted a segment or a portion of the Islamic State to carry out to do its dirty.
	Okay.
	Good.
	Fabulous.
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	I don't rehearse any of these interviews.
	I don't do gotcha interviews, so Bill doesn't know what I'm going to ask him next, and maybe you don't want to answer it, but you've served in the U.S.
	military, correct?
	Yes, correct.
	Who did you serve with?
	I was in the U.S.
	Army for four years, and then I did two years spent in the National Guard.
	And then you were embedded with which parts of the military?
	You were with the American and the Canadian.
	Who did you embed with in theater?
	Yeah, I embedded with the U.S.
	Army and Marine Corps in Iraq from 2005 to 2008, and also embedded with the Iraqi Army in a couple instances in Mosul in 2008, and then with the Canadian Army in Kandahar and Helmand Province in 2011.
	Afghanistan.
	Okay.
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	So let me ask you, I consider you a friend, a true, true expert.
	I hate the word expert, but you're one of the real ones.
	And I have to ask you, what do you think?
	About the state of the U.S.
	military.
	I've worked with and trained thousands of members of all services, and I love anybody who's below the rank of a full bird colonel.
	Even half birds are a little bit dodgy.
	But major captain and below, or NCOs especially, senior NCOs, the people who are the backbone of our military, God bless them all.
	Guys with eight tours, eight rotations in theater.
	Talk to us about what you've witnessed since the GWAT and how give us a grade a to f of how our general flag officer corps have served the war fighters who are actually in the fobs actually going out there to hunt down the bad guys well what is bill roggio's grade yeah so the grade for the general officers let me be clear
	i'm talking about the general officers here and not they know i'll say this I'll take them from Colonel on down.
	I'm good.
	I know some very, very good colonels who I would make four-star generals tomorrow.
	But, you know, hey, that's fine.
	The guys, you know, like the colonel and bloke, they can fight.
	They understand this.
	It seems something happens when they put a star on their shoulder.
	And I'm going to grade them overall a... I'm going to give them a D-, because it's hard to say F here.
	And I'm only doing this because I believe the first eight to nine years of the war were well-intentioned, well-fought in some instances, not in some others.
	But look, whatever we want to say about the surge in Iraq, it did work.
	It beat back al-Qaeda in Iraq and did achieve a mission.
	The problem is we left there too soon, just like we've left Afghanistan.
	So that threatened the project.
	But the general officers have become politicized.
	And they've done so in a way.
	The General Officer Corps has learned that if it just salutes and says, yes, sir, that it will get the promotions.
	And it will even learn that if it lies to the American public and lies to Congress, that it'll get those promotions.
	So let me give you one example here.
	General Dunford served as the US commander in Afghanistan.
	And he was the commander that transitioned from the NATO mission to Resolute Support.
	That's when they transferred control to the Afghan military and the Afghan government, of the security.
	He told us everything was fine, everything was going great.
	He gets promoted to Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff, tells us everything's fine, everything's great.
	Signs on with negotiations with the Taliban, et cetera, et cetera.
	How does this happen?
	I've seen general after general serve in a failed role, get promoted, and then when they leave, they're guaranteed board positions at major companies, which I think is a very real conflict of interest.
	They get this while they're collecting hefty pensions from the U.S.
	military and, you know, with health care and amenities and whatnot.
	But what I'm really concerned, if they receive those things and succeeded at work, I could look the other way and say, well, that's part of the graph.
	The problem is, is they're losing wars.
	What happened, what we witnessed with the Afghan withdrawal, someone should have been fired and someone should have resigned in that.
	Someone planned that withdrawal because the Biden administration tells the generals that they're allowed to do the evacuation from Kabul international, and they're only going to be given 700 troops to do so.
	The generals salute and say, yes, sir, and they execute this plan.
	No one stands up and says, we can't do this.
	I can't, in good conscience, execute this mission.
	Kabul, the airport is in the heart of a city with 4.5 million people being flooded with refugees fleeing the Taliban.
	And the Taliban is advancing.
	And we're going to have major problems once that press reaches the city and once the Taliban enters the city.
	But the problem goes back before then.
	They didn't know what was happening on the Taliban offensive While it was happening.
	When General Miley, the commander of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, stands up and says, oh, in mid-June, the Taliban only took control of 40 districts.
	My map showed the Taliban took control of 120 districts at that point in time.
	And guess what?
	My map was right.
	But even that statement from Milley, they only took 40 districts.
	What is only 40 districts, Bill?
	Is that supposed to be a success in warfare?
	No, this is what I'm talking about.
	They just somebody needed at some point needed to stand up and say, I'm going to either we change this or I resign.
	Generals have that prerogative.
	They can do so.
	Secretary of Defense Mattis resigned from the administration over the Syria withdrawal announced by President Biden.
	That was his prerogative to do so.
	And generals can do so as well.
	And I would argue the withdrawal from Syria is far, far less of an issue in Afghanistan when you have, A, there is an actual government that you're treaty bound to defend, and B, there's thousands of American citizens seeking to withdraw, and C, that it's the Taliban-Al Qaeda relationship.
	So yeah, this is the generals.
	I mean, if it was just the generals, I'd grade it an F. I'd even go lower and go with a G.
	That's great, that's great.
	Not an effigy.
	Just very quickly, you must get DMs and emails and texts from all kinds of operators who are just heartbroken about what they're witnessing, given what they've bled for in the last 20 years.
	Yeah, it's the hard part of this.
	These guys, they've lost friends.
	Dare I say, they're brothers and sisters in combat in Afghanistan.
	They've made relationships with Afghans and others, and they're witnessing this loss.
	But you know what?
	It doesn't surprise me.
	That is heartbreaking.
	What really surprised me throughout all this, Seth, is the journalists.
	I usually do a TV interview, and it's like, at the end, hey, great to have you.
	Thanks.
	I'm glad to have you back on.
	I'm like, sure.
	This has happened several times to me, where I hang the phone up.
	And get a, and get a call back immediately from the producer swearing up and down.
	We, I can't believe what happened here.
	We have to make them pay.
	We have, you know, someone needs to pay a price for this.
	And my response always was, look, I, I'm just, I, you know, I track this stuff.
	I'm not in the media.
	You're in the media.
	You want to make, make someone pay, keep them, make this issue burn hot.
	If not, let it drop, let it drop.
	And I guarantee you, no one will pay.
	So yeah, it was never, you know, I expected those DMs and those Messages from those who've served but what I didn't expect was this really really Outraged reaction from people in the media.
	And that's fascinating.
	They're outraged offline to Bill Roggio, but they don't actually keep the issue burning.
	So it's hypocrisy all around.
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	Bill, say the scenario is Bill Rogeau is made the Director of National Intelligence.
	What is the first tasking order?
	What is it that America, our allies, aren't paying requisite attention to that you would make them pay attention to to make us safer?
	What's the biggest gap in our knowledge?
	Yeah, I would I'm going to keep this specific to the terrorism field because that's where I keep my focus.
	One of my big concerns, again, what happens in Afghanistan doesn't stay in Afghanistan.
	The thought process that is used in Afghanistan is used in other theaters.
	We need to clear house of the individuals who have come to the idea that We can negotiate with our enemies.
	But the problem is they didn't view the... We stopped viewing the Taliban as an enemy a decade ago.
	But this is what's infected the thinking within intelligence, within military, within the State Department.
	I have a friend who talked to CENTCOM about Israel, and he said, well, now that Israel's in the U.S.
	Central Command area, it's going to make it a little difficult with the Qataris, isn't it?
	And the response at CENTCOM was, Oh no, the Qataris have been very helpful with what they did in Afghanistan by negotiating with the Taliban.
	The Qataris are playing a game and they're ultimately responsible for the rise of the Taliban power.
	And we don't understand this.
	So if I'm director and president of the United States, I'm clearing house of anyone who thinks this way.
	And I'm trying to figure out how to get the right people in the right positions to change the thinking, the teaching within these organizations.
	It's a monumental task.
	Institutions have been infected with this bad thinking, Seb.
	I didn't plan it this way, but it makes it all the more relevant, guys.
	It's why I wrote my first book.
	It's what got me on candidate Trump's radar screen and in the White House as his strategist.
	Sadly, that book is now more relevant than ever.
	It is defeating jihad.
	It is the explication of what these people believe.
	How religion fuels our jihadi enemies.
	Educate yourself, educate those around you.
	If you know somebody in the military, buy them a copy so they can push back on these dolts, these cretins that still don't understand 20 years later.
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	Yeah, come to the Long War Journal.
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	Yeah, sure.
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