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Sept. 14, 2021 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: AOC goes full Marie Antoinette

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	We'll be right back.
	My God, tax the rich.
	What a model AOC.
	I didn't know you model as well.
	Damn.
	The footage that is getting Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in lots of trouble, even with people on the left, her at the Met Gala, wearing a custom gown with a certain political message.
	Welcome, dear friends, to America First.
	This is me, your host, Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Trump, currently a member, yes, Joe.
	I'm still a member of the National Security Education Board.
	Have fun with that.
	We have an amazing show lined up for you today.
	But let me share with you first some personal experiences over the last 24 hours that kind of tie into the Met and AOC's dress with the Tax the Rich slogan written in red on the back of her gown.
	First things first, How much are those tickets?
	Jeff, what did you say in the prep show?
	How much is a ticket to the Met Gala?
	What are they saying?
	Some places they're saying $30,000.
	So $30,000 because you buy tables and the tables are like $250,000 or whatever.
	And I'm sure it all depends where your table is too.
	Right.
	So there's at least eight people at the table.
	So we're talking about a very nice car to go and eat rubber chicken.
	Pretty much.
	I wouldn't go for free.
	I know you wouldn't go for free.
	I've never been to the Met Gala ever.
	So, here we have somebody who was a bartender.
	Who was elected, not as a Democrat.
	Can you just be very specific about this?
	There's somebody who says she's a Democrat.
	No, no, no, no.
	It's the Socialists, okay?
	It's the Democratic Socialists of America.
	The DSA that is her affiliation.
	That is how she was elected.
	She's not a Democrat.
	This isn't Scoop Jackson's party.
	She is a Socialist.
	She is the inventor of the Green New Deal.
	It is the most ambitious plan to take away your freedoms we have seen in the United States since slavery.
	Yes, I mean it.
	In terms of the control given to government since emancipation, we've never seen the like of it.
	No air travel.
	Gasoline engines, gone.
	Beef, bad as well!
	Don't get to eat beef!
	It's in the plan, which had that strange document from her website that disappeared, the FAQs, the frequently asked questions about what's really going to happen when they implement it.
	Why was that deleted from your website, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez?
	And she goes to the Metropolitan Gala, where tickets are at least $30,000 per head, in a custom gown, and grins that grin of hers as she does a twirl and grins that grin of hers as she does a twirl and shows the world her Eat the Rich slogan.
	Eat the Rich.
	Custom gown.
	$30,000 ticket.
	The Metropolitan Gala.
	What?
	Tax the rich.
	Yeah, eat the rich is the next phase.
	That's Green New Deal 2.0.
	Custom-made gown.
	How much do we think that gown is?
	I mean, just, you know, it's not from the thrift store.
	The Metropolitan Gala.
	And $30,000 per head!
	So who's she talking about?
	She's not talking about a truck driver!
	She's talking about herself!
	Just in case you're wondering about the figures, we now have the breaking story that those who are calling for the defund the police, the squad especially, has spent more on personal protection than anybody else in Congress.
	How's that for tax the rich?
	Maybe take away your security detail as well.
	Now, I wasn't at the Met last night.
	I was at a conservative confabulation.
	And I won't mention it, because I don't want to get my host in trouble.
	But I did something at this event, because I owe you, our dear listeners, an apology.
	So we're going to talk about another event.
	Jeff has been with us the longest.
	He is our producer, Mr. G. Are you there?
	No, he's not.
	I need to ask Mr. G a question.
	Let's start with Eric.
	Eric is the second longest serving member of the America First team.
	It's not a trick question.
	No pressure.
	Just be honest in front of all of our listeners.
	How many times have we made mistakes here on America First, Eric?
	Mistakes?
	Yeah, mistakes.
	I could probably count on maybe one hand, maybe a little over, yeah, one hand with six fingers on it, perhaps.
	Six mistakes?
	Courtesy of at least some of us, not just you.
	Oh, I see.
	Are you talking you or the entire show?
	That's very kind of you.
	Very kind of you.
	What about me, the host?
	How many mistakes have I made in three years?
	Almost three years.
	Is it possible to say less than zero?
	That's why Eric always has my back.
	I have made at least, and you are welcome to call in and remind me of others, I have made one mistake which I have publicly accepted on this show.
	I have made at least two or three mere culpers.
	And that has to do with a certain member of the administration I served with.
	A cabinet member.
	I was just a lowly strategist, deputy to the president.
	And that individual was our Attorney General, Bill Barr.
	And I have a story to tell you about Bill Barr from last night.
	On this show, on social media, and elsewhere, I made statements about Bill Barr being a good guy.
	Getting to the bottom of things.
	Rooting out corruption in the Department of Justice.
	I'm not making an excuse here, because those words were mine.
	But I made those statements based upon things that had been told to me by very good friends who'd worked for Bill Barr when he had been the Attorney General previously in the Bush administration.
	So I was going on.
	Sources I deemed to be very reliable.
	And I repeated that affirmation.
	But I was wrong.
	I was as wrong as wrong could be.
	This man is scum.
	He is swamp.
	Just look into how rich he is and where he got his money from.
	But you don't need to know that stuff, the inside baseball.
	You need to know what he did or didn't do for the Trump administration.
	How he had one job, one job, to clean out the Stygian-Orgyn stables.
	That were the Department of Justice.
	Just clean it out of corruption.
	Of the likes of Strzok, McCabe at the FBI, Comey, people who weaponized law enforcement.
	And he didn't.
	Nothing.
	Zip.
	One junior lawyer gets a slap on the wrist for forging a CIA document.
	If I had forged a CIA document, I'd be in jail now.
	And I'd be there for a long time.
	But I saw Bill Barr yesterday at this event.
	And after he left and he was waiting for his car to be brought up, I told him what I thought of him.
	I wasn't rude.
	I just said, you are an utter disappointment.
	And then he laughed at me.
	What does that mean?
	That he laughed.
	It means he is a swamp creature.
	It means he is so confident in his untouchability, in his Teflon coating, that he thinks it's all so amusing.
	Bill Barr, we know who you are.
	And I just hope that the 30 pieces of silver were worth it.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka, this is America First on the Salem Radio Network coming to you live from the reliefactor.com studios just outside the insalubrious fetid swamp that is Washington DC.
	Stick with us wherever you are, whatever you're doing, just make sure you don't touch that dial.
	Next, former attorney to President Trump, constitutional law professor, fighting for election integrity, Jenna Ellis, here in studio.
	All right.
	Mic's on.
	Alright.
	Yeah.
	Geoff went to go get Jenna.
	Yeah, what's taking so long?
	That is actually a good question.
	Um... Not sure.
	Traffic, possibly.
	When in doubt, blame the traffic.
	You know what you should have said, Nabar?
	You should have told him that his Alejandro Mallorca's disguise is not convincing anyone.
	Can you play Videocut 7?
	7?
	Um... Yes.
	Well, thank you for very rightly putting the spotlight on concerns about the LGBTQI plus community in Afghanistan and the particular threat that they may find themselves under.
	This is something that we are focused on.
	Okay.
	Priorities.
	Or just women.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Cut 10.
	It's no accident when you look at the under vaccinated states, And those places where you're having surges of virus more so than in any other part of the country, it's very heavily weighted towards red states as opposed to blue states.
	And that really shouldn't be, Trevor.
	It should not be.
	This is a public health issue.
	And as you said very appropriately a moment ago, the common enemy is the virus.
	There shouldn't be the divisiveness that we're seeing.
	We're trying our best to convince people, but you reach a certain point where you almost hit a wall that you're not going to get to a certain group of people.
	And that's where mandates come in.
	Can we talk about how weird that staging is?
	The monitor's not on a wall.
	It's hanging down in the middle of the room right in front of him.
	Yeah.
	That's really... Hey!
	Dystopian.
	Right.
	Do you want to come in with any specific music?
	No, I'm good.
	Okay.
	I might do one of the new ones.
	My podcast, I think, launched yesterday.
	I know!
	Yeah.
	It's going well.
	Exciting.
	I'm getting to rant about a lot of stuff more in depth, so.
	Is it just the Janellis show?
	It is indeed.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Yup.
	Uh, can you play Eleven?
	Eleven.
	Um, yeah.
	Look, I'm telling you... This is not that hard, Chris.
	What'd you say?
	This is not that hard.
	It's just a little piece of... And you know you can hear me.
	Don't try that craziness.
	It's not that hard.
	What are you gonna... Is it that hard to put a piece of cloth over your face?
	It's your choice.
	To be courteous?
	It's your choice.
	It's my... It's... Okay, let me tell you this.
	It's your choice.
	No, it is my choice.
	You know what is my choice?
	Is that I have a co-worker.
	Who is a compromised immune system.
	So my choice is to be a real person, a citizen, someone who cares about other people, and to wear this mask into the office, even though I'm fully vaccinated, even though I get tested all the time.
	That is my choice.
	It's not my choice to compromise that person.
	Amen.
	And if it is, it is your choice.
	Nobody's saying that you must take the vaccine.
	You don't get to go where we're going to be.
	I agree.
	A real person, which was the funny part.
	What?
	I get, I choose to be a real person.
	A real person.
	A real person, okay.
	That's a strange Freudian slip there where they're like, oh, you know.
	He obviously, he's mic'd up, so of course you're still going to hear him clearly, but then like average everyday people can't hear what they're saying with their masks on.
	All right.
	Come in with that.
	Come in with 11.
	Okay.
	Come in with 11.
	Those CNN dopes.
	Okay.
	25 seconds.
	Who was that?
	Was that Jake Tapper?
	No, that was Lemon.
	Lemon, that's right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	20 seconds.
	Seconds, stand by.
	Standing by.
	Coming in.
	Satsang with
	Mooji .
	Look, I'm telling you... This is not that hard, Chris.
	What'd you say?
	This is not that hard.
	It's just a little piece of... And you know you can hear me.
	Don't try that craziness.
	It's not that hard.
	What are you gonna... Is it that hard to put a piece of cloth over your face?
	It's your choice.
	It's your choice.
	It's my... Okay, let me tell you this.
	It's your choice.
	No, it is my choice.
	And you know what is my choice?
	Is that I have a co-worker.
	Who is a compromised immune system.
	So my choice is to be a real person, a citizen, someone who cares about other people, and to wear this mask into the office, even though I'm fully vaccinated, even though I get tested all the time.
	That is my choice.
	It's not my choice to compromise that person.
	Amen.
	And if it is, it is your choice.
	Nobody's saying that you must take the vaccine.
	You don't get to go where we're going to be.
	I agree.
	Oh, because he's special.
	He's Fredo.
	That was Don Lemon and Fredo Cuomo.
	How's your brother doing, Fredo?
	Welcome back.
	This is America First with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka, and our newest member of the Salem faculty, the best faculty in radio and podcasting, Jenna Ellis, in studio with us.
	Jenna, welcome.
	Thank you so much.
	What is the title of your podcast?
	The Jenna Ellis Show.
	I like that.
	I like it, too.
	Very simple, and I love the podcast format, because like radio, we get to actually do a deep dive and analysis.
	And so today, definitely listen to go into all of the constitutionality and the lack of constitutionality of Biden's vaccine mandates, speaking of.
	So we talk about all of that.
	The Christian worldview, bring it all the way back to faith-based perspectives.
	A lot of things we're going to cover.
	So let's talk about that clip.
	You don't get to go where we go if you're not wearing a mask.
	I had another nutcase at the post office today rant at me to put my, why do you have to use foul language?
	I'm not wearing a mask.
	And I asked him, I want to share this story.
	He walks out and starts swearing at me as he's leaving, a classic kind of, you know, beta male thing.
	So I went outside and asked him, what did you say?
	And then he, you know, does it again and, you know, orders me to put a mask on.
	And then I just said, Does your mask work?
	And then suddenly he, like, kind of, you know, that kind of brain freeze moment, because, well, what is he going to say?
	Is he going to say, it works?
	Well, then why do I need one?
	Or it doesn't work, then why do I need one if it doesn't work?
	So talk about, you are a constitutional law expert.
	We have freedom of movement.
	We can't be told where we can't and can't go in America.
	No, this is the new civil rights segregation where people are trying to classify a lower class of citizen based on their vaccination status.
	And this is not about the science.
	This is all about politics.
	And we've seen that from the very beginning.
	And you have these two guys on CNN who are just virtue signaling for absolutely no reason.
	I would love to ask Don Lemon if he ever went outside not wearing a mask Prior to this pandemic, because people transmit things all the time.
	If he has an immunocompromised colleague, why weren't you wearing a mask then?
	Right, in the flu season!
	Yeah!
	Like, so, I mean, so this is totally virtue signaling.
	It's absolutely not the science.
	I mean, Rand Paul said it best to Dr. Fauci, this is the noble lie in its political theater, where they just want to control all of us.
	Let me go beyond that theory, because I'm really trying to grapple.
	I mean, it's hard to think like a Democrat.
	I mean, anybody who voted for Biden.
	Because thinking Democrat doesn't really work.
	I mean, just seriously.
	Here's something I heard today, and I like this.
	In trying to understand the levels, somebody in our field calls it fear porn.
	Why there is so much fear porn being propagated by Fauci and everybody else.
	Here's a theory.
	As someone who's stood in the arena, As the president's attorney, who's been buffeted by the slings and arrows, I think you might think this is plausible.
	They have to engender and keep the fear at manic levels, because this is how they won the election.
	Because COVID was essential, the 80 million mail-out ballots, because COVID was so key to destroying the evil man in the White House, if they suddenly admit that it's okay, Then they've lost.
	And they'll continue to lose their power.
	Absolutely.
	So it's not just habit forming, it's not just risk aversion, it's not just little fascists like Fauci, it's because Donald Trump locked them into this narrative and they can't extricate themselves.
	What do you think?
	Absolutely, and I think that they've also seen that the fear porn works, and that their power grab, like you look at Gavin Newsom, who's facing recall today, by the way.
	Today, guys!
	If you're in California, get out and vote!
	And he has said in prior interviews that this is an that COVID is an opportunity to advance the progressive agenda.
	And so they're seeing that these emergency powers that are supposed to just be very, very temporary actually deal with an emergency that he doesn't have to give them back over.
	Because in the state of California, they only end when the legislature figures it out or he willingly hands back over power.
	Democrats aren't going to do that.
	And so they've seen that they can harness the power of the emergency powers, not only on the federal level, but also the states.
	They can ram through any sort of thing to sway elections.
	They can manufacture any crisis.
	And under the auspices of health and safety, they can control you and me.
	And so it's not, you know, whoever takes the vaccine, great.
	If you don't, great, that's your choice.
	To me, the precedent is the worst part of this because if they can mandate that you have to inject a substance into your body, what else can't they do under health and safety?
	So, you're a legal professional.
	You've been attorney to the president.
	You've taught constitutional law.
	What happens next?
	What is your expectation?
	I mean, we've seen amazing videos of health workers refusing to comply.
	Do we have the wherewithal?
	Do we have the organizations?
	Do we have the lawyers who are going to take this all the way to the Supreme Court?
	And is the Supreme Court going to be on the side of the Constitution?
	Well, we definitely have the advocates.
	We have our good friend, Hermit Dillon, who's out in California fighting.
	We have my co-counsel at the Thomas More Society that just sued up in New York over this ridiculous mandate that doesn't allow for religious liberty exemptions.
	You have the Alliance Defending Freedom and First Liberty.
	I mean, so many of these organizations, great advocates.
	But the question, of course, is the U.S.
	Supreme Court.
	Are they going to cave under political pressure or are they going to actually look at the Constitution?
	It's not really that long and say, oh, The federal government has no specific enumerated power, and the Supreme Court previously, by the way, in 1995, specifically held that the federal government does not have broad police power.
	So Congress can't just legislate and enforce anything that they want.
	They don't have The police power, and even in the states, there's not just unlimited power to legislate and enforce anything you want.
	And so for all of the Democrats that are claiming, well, this is in your best interest, well, that's your opinion.
	But the U.S.
	Constitution does not give the federal government any power whatsoever to tell the states and tell individual private organizations and companies and individuals that you have to be compelled to take this mandate.
	So I hope that the Supreme Court will stop this very quickly with a nationwide injunction.
	We shall see.
	We shall see.
	It's up to us, guys.
	So let's get busy.
	Let's get organized.
	People ask me, what should I do?
	Get organized.
	Take a stand.
	Resist.
	Do not comply.
	If they, as Jenna said, if they can force you to inject something in your body as the government There is no limit to the powers they have to denude you of your constitutional rights.
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	We'll be back with you momentarily to talk election fraud here on America First.
	The End So what model are you doing?
	Just yourself or guests?
	Both.
	So I'm starting out just covering the news of the day, topics, providing analysis, and then if I have a guest.
	So, you know, like Dinesh is going to join me later this week.
	I had Kevin Kiley on for the California Recall today.
	And then I'm going to Texas tomorrow, actually.
	And so I'll be with Don Huffins, who's running, he's priming Abbott and is a great actual Republican.
	So he'll be on tomorrow because I'm doing a couple of events there.
	And how long is each episode?
	Anywhere between 30 to 50 minutes.
	And it's so much fun.
	I love not having the constraints of, like, here's your breaks and, you know, the five minute TV interviews.
	And it's just the Jenna Ellis show, right?
	It is indeed.
	In fact, I can send you, like, a graphic.
	You know, when I hear about the desperate need of the Afghan people...
	Yeah, please do.
	Yeah, so did you watch any of the hearing this morning, the congressional hearing?
	I heard a little bit of Cruz, that's it.
	Okay, because I was supposed to be on Newsmax for the entire 11 a.m.
	and we just sat there watching because they took the congressional hearing, so I actually watched it.
	It was so pathetic because all of the Democrats were like, thank you so much for coming and Biden's the best ever and Trump is horrible.
	And I'm like, this is nothing to do with oversight.
	It's such a waste of time.
	And then the Republicans were no better.
	Not even Cruz?
	I mean, yeah.
	I mean, Johnson was also okay.
	I mean, they asked a few questions, but it's like, is this real?
	It was more of a spiel for them to vent than it was actually fact-finding.
	Like, they didn't approach it as, we want answers from you.
	They just wanted to talk.
	Right.
	So that just, that just bothered me.
	It's like, you know, Congress- It's like, it's like when I, when I, the second time I testified, um, It was on ISIS.
	It was explaining the Trump policy on ISIS.
	And it was very exciting.
	You work your backside off prepping it, because you've only got six minutes to deliver, but you can deposit your written statement.
	And I go in there, and I do my thing.
	Fifty minutes into the hearing, this putz of a Democrat from New York walks in.
	Fifty minutes in.
	Sits down.
	Aid gives him the script.
	And he says, I don't even know what he called me, Sebastian, Gawker, whatever.
	He said, how can you justify working in an administration for a white supremacist?
	Seriously?
	That was his question?
	And I actually said to the chair, I said, Mr. Chairman, I was invited here to discuss the defeat ISIS strategy of the Trump administration.
	I think Congressman That's just so good for you.
	I mean, to not even have to, like, pivot or anything.
	That's just such a ridiculous question.
	And of course, you know, he's posing for the cameras, asks his question, then leaves.
	He wants Mediaite to cover it and be like, oh, there was clash, you know?
	I mean, that's so stupid.
	Okay, we've got one minute until we're on.
	Yep, and then it's, uh, what are we doing?
	We're doing Cry Macho Reed here and then Patriot Mobile.
	Oh yeah, Cry Macho.
	I think I have that.
	I've got an extra copy right over here if you don't.
	Uh, Eric.
	Yes?
	Will you grab that from John?
	What is it, John?
	Just a copy.
	Just go to him and grab it.
	Go.
	Thank God.
	35.
	What's the date today?
	It's the 14th, so it's the top one.
	Oh, lights.
	Eric, lights.
	Oh.
	We got 25, so we'll be fine.
	Thank you.
	All right.
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	We are back with my new Salem colleague, host of the Jenna Ellis Show, launched yesterday.
	Subscribe, listen every single day for just the analysis that you won't get In the lying mainstream media, and she's also a colleague of mine on Newsmax.
	Jenna, today is the recall election.
	Guys, if you're listening, we have so many listeners in California.
	If you haven't voted in person, get to the polling station now and vote yes to the recall of Gavin Newsom.
	I have to ask you, as you are the chair of the National Election Integrity Alliance, a board of which I am also a member, What is your expectation?
	Because I was in California two days ago, and nobody could answer me the question.
	I mean, there's nothing good about Gavin Newsom.
	The Democrats have nothing good to say about him.
	They're rolling out Kamala and Biden just to round the wagons.
	But they could just steal it, couldn't they?
	I mean, the ballot harvesting, the unions who've been bought off, what's their expectation?
	Right.
	I mean, California has really perfected the corruption of the system, you know, because they've legalized ballot harvesting.
	They still have.
	They have changed all of the rules for this recall specifically so that there are tons of mass mail-in ballots.
	There are reports on the ground that people, Republicans, are coming to the polls to make sure that their ballot doesn't get lost and are told they've already voted.
	What does that sound like, right?
	So I think that there's definitely reason to be very hesitant and skeptical, and I think that it remains to be seen what the margin is if Newsom is not recalled.
	I mean, nobody that I have seen who is a credible person in California, even a reasonable Democrat, likes Newsom, and there are so many people on the ground from Northern to Southern California that absolutely want him gone.
	This was the biggest citizens Right.
	recall petition ever in the history of America.
	I think it was like 1.7 million signatures.
	And so the fact that it might not be accomplished, I think is a reason just to question it.
	And this is the thing about election integrity that is so frustrating is that the left doesn't even want to I'm going to push back on that.
	You're absolutely wrong.
	You're completely wrong, journalist.
	Hey, was this free and fair?
	Can we look at this?
	Were the laws followed?
	That makes you an insurrectionist.
	Hang on, hang on.
	I'm going to push back on that.
	You're absolutely wrong.
	You're completely wrong, Jen Ellis.
	If Donald Trump wins, then you're allowed to question him.
	Oh, well, yes.
	Because they did for four years.
	Yes, that's true.
	So that caveat, yes.
	This video of Democrats on the floor talking about Dominion voting machines five years ago said, oh, they can be hacked!
	And nobody was sued then, right?
	And so, of course, Anne, do you really think that if Newsom is actually recalled that he's not going to question it?
	And that'll be just fine, right?
	He's going to say, wait a second, this can't possibly be it.
	Election fraud, voter suppression.
	And, you know, we have to still count tons of votes and we need to go for a month later.
	I mean, of course, and that'll be just fine.
	And everybody from CNN to MSNBC will say, oh, of course, we need to make sure that everything was fair, just like what they did in New York City.
	Or they'll say Russia collusion.
	Yeah, of course.
	Or, you know, some crazy theory.
	Because it can't possibly be that people are just tired of Democrats.
	No, that's impossible.
	All right, we've got a minute left.
	Follow this lady, Jenna Ellis ESQ on social media, the Jenna Ellis Show podcast.
	Any updates we need to know that the mainstream media isn't talking about when it comes to audits in the last election?
	Anything we should keep our eye on?
	Definitely follow Wendy Rogers, the state senator from Arizona.
	She's doing a fantastic job talking about the audits, talking about election integrity.
	We are still waiting on some things out of Arizona.
	I don't know what the hang-up is.
	I've been talking to people on the ground there, but we need to Make sure that we do not let this issue go.
	The left is trying to push, you know, Afghanistan and now the vaccine mandates and all of these other things that are absolutely worth talking about, but they want the news cycle to change from election integrity.
	We have to continue to talk about this.
	It's the most important issue, and so we'll get those updates.
	Hopefully, Pennsylvania will have an audit.
	All 50 states honestly should, and they should tell their voters, yes, your vote is secure.
	If you don't have anything to hide, why wouldn't you support an audit?
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	Doug in Los Angeles, welcome to America First!
	Dr. Gorka, first an observation.
	I have driven roughly about 700 miles in the last two days.
	I've been down the state for my job.
	And I have yet to see one pro-Gavin billboard.
	There's a whole lot of recall Gavin.
	There's a whole lot of... Not one?
	Not one?
	Not one.
	But he's the guy who's got 70 million dollars to burn.
	I guess he's just putting it on TV or something.
	Well, there are some TV commercials, yes, but not one billboard, not one pro anything.
	So are you feeling good about today's recall vote?
	Unfortunately, I'm in the land of intellectual lemmings.
	I don't know what it's going to take, and it brings me to my question for you.
	Given all of the things that are wrong, given the fact that taxes and crime and the homeless Um, what is it going to take for people to wake up?
	We can say Gavin's bad.
	Hell, we could say Biden's bad.
	But what is it going to take for the voter to wake up and say, you know, we need to change course here?
	Look, first things first, you need name recognition.
	I think, you know, this is the age of, you know, celebrity.
	There's a reason that President Trump is the first president to never serve in public office or be a retired general in our republic's history.
	So, you know, the fact that Larry has been a radio show host across all the major markets in California is one of the reasons I think he's doing so well.
	So you've got to have name recognition.
	And secondly, you know, I don't believe that you can't run as a Republican.
	I've heard this from California.
	Oh, you can't run as a Republican in this state.
	No, I don't think that matters.
	I think what you focus on is on the issues.
	And this is, Doug, I realized this when I went to California before the radio show.
	I did some events for my good friends out there like Jennifer Horne.
	And I heard the same thing from the Californians who came up to me.
	It was shocking.
	A couple of days doing various events and I heard the same things.
	Small businesses are being crushed.
	It's just the business environment is just, and this is pre-COVID.
	Secondly, gas prices are out of control and we've had enough of sanctuary cities.
	So Doug, when you've got three such burning issues, you just build a campaign around that.
	That's what I do, Doug.
	Well, you know, unfortunately, I think you have to be intellectually curious, and I'm not sure that the average Californian is intellectually curious.
	People listen to your show?
	Yes.
	People listen to, say, Sean or Mark or any of these other folks, Dennis Prager.
	They're intellectually curious.
	They have an open mind.
	They want to know.
	It's amazing how many people almost seem like they're pre-programmed out here in some sort of mantra.
	No, it is.
	The left has become a cult.
	It is a hive mind.
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	We keep fighting because this is America.
	Doug, stay on the line.
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	Let's go to John waiting very patiently in San Diego.
	Welcome, John.
	Hey, Sebastian.
	Getting back to Sandy, the bartender, that turns out to be about a $40,000 night for her.
	Yeah, if you add, I guess, I'm sure she had a limo service, she's got the custom made gown, the $35,000 ticket, easily, easily $40,000.
	OK, so you make $175,000 a year, you live in D.C., the expenses for living is insane.
	You'd be lucky to save $40,000 a year.
	She's going to spend that all in one night?
	Or was that a gift, an illegal $40,000 gift?
	Or did she actually pay for it?
	And the one who gave her the gift, are they going to pay the gift tax?
	Above the $14,000.
	Fabulous question.
	Come on, some investigative journalists.
	Get busy.
	Answer John's question.
	Was that ticket pay for play?
	Did somebody get their back scratched because they gave her $40,000 for one evening?
	Fabulous question.
	Let's stay on the topic.
	Robin, Kentucky, line two.
	Hey, Mr. Gorka, how are you doing?
	Good.
	I would just like to also talk about the hypocrite Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
	Yeah.
	with you.
	She showed up to the Met Gala, right?
	She's a self-proclaimed socialist, is that right?
	She's a socialist, yeah.
	She was elected as a member of the DSA, the Democratic Socialists of America.
	Okay, and then she goes to the Met Gala, which is just a party for leads, right?
	Yes.
	Not a lot of truck drivers or welders at the Met Gala.
	And she wore a dress that said tax the rich, right?
	Yeah.
	And how much did you say it was to go to this?
	$35,000 per ticket.
	$35,000 a head?
	Yeah.
	thousand dollars per ticket thirty five thousand dollars a head what would they have charged for yours I don't know because I don't go to those kinds of things it It's just a pathetic, pathetic place for elitists to hang out.
	That's why I don't go to them.
	Thank you, Rob.
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	Jenna... If the Feds can do this, they can do anything.
	Uh-huh.
	And 1A?
	Bill Barr proves he's the Swamp.
	Uh-huh.
	Oh, what happened to Charlie Kirk?
	Oh.
	Not happening?
	Oh no, that's, that's, that's, uh, two, okay.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, oh yeah.
	When is his?
	What?
	His show?
	When is his show?
	Noon to two.
	Yeah, noon to three, but noon to two.
	Yeah.
	That does mean, though, that if you want to do either callers or clips, this and 2C will be the last.
	I know, I know, I know.
	I want to come in on something.
	Yeah.
	Well, we got lots of cuts today.
	Oh my gosh.
	So you managed to bleep the Larry Elder one.
	I think we'll come in with that.
	Which one is that?
	The audio cut 14.
	Audio, got it.
	The audio cut?
	I'll tee it up.
	Tee it up.
	It was interesting that Jenna mentioned the Texas governor's race.
	I forgot that there are some minor challenges involved.
	Yeah, let's make sure.
	I thought I was gonna get somebody on the line, but you're not East Coast or West Coast.
	Yeah, that's the one.
	Okay, that's it.
	Alright.
	There's no new article from Conrad, right?
	Let me check real quick.
	There wasn't this morning.
	Check Epoch Times as well.
	All right, stand by.
	Please go.
	Oh, there he is.
	Here's my guy.
	Good job.
	How's your new show going?
	Good?
	Very well, thank you.
	I heard.
	Good.
	Thank you.
	Yes, indeed.
	Thank you, Mr. President.
	So, the left, why are they so hateful?
	Whether it's that person trying to cuss me out at the post office today because, hey, my body, my choice, so I don't wear a mask.
	Or when a black conservative wants to run for the governor, for the governorship of California.
	We have a voicemail service at our radio stations, and this is a call that was sent to me from one of our stations regarding Larry Elder.
	We had to do a little bit of editing, and you'll see why.
	Play cuts.
	I thought I was gonna get somebody on the line, but you're not East Coast or West Coast, but you sound like a f***ing flaming little retard.
	Are you a Larry Elder supporting little c***?
	If you're a right-wing f*ing deplorable Trump supporting little c*, I'm trying to get in touch with Larry Elder, and this is the only number that came up.
	If I have this by mistake, I'm sorry.
	If you support Larry Elder, then call me back, you little b****.
	I pity you.
	You sad, sad individual.
	What kind of soul has that depth of hatred in it?
	And to be such a bigot as well.
	That's the left right now.
	The home of bigots.
	Let's go to Peter, Arizona, line 5.
	Welcome to America First.
	Thank you, Dr. Orca.
	I have an observation.
	One is that our talk radio stations that are conservative, we tend to somewhat preach to the choir.
	But on the other side, when talking with my leftist acquaintances, I can't even call them friends, and I've been disowned by many of them.
	They can't hear anything else other than their leftist ideas.
	So we need to market to the Democrats And the ultra-Democrats and the far-left Democrats are aggressive in a different manner, because they're not going to listen to talk radio and they're not going to get it on the air.
	So what are you suggesting?
	I'm suggesting we target Democrat mailing lists, Democrat areas where there are key states, and promote the local stations that carry your show and all the other shows.
	But Peter, you just said they don't listen to you, so what's the point?
	They don't listen to you, but when they get it in the mail, they see it.
	When they get it on Facebook, not Facebook, but like on YouTube or something, targeted ads, they see it and they go to look to see another point of view that just says... No they don't, Peter!
	They're not interested in another point of view!
	You just said it!
	Your friends don't talk to you anymore!
	They're not interested in another point of view!
	It's a cult, Peter!
	Peter, it's a cult!
	The elites or not, the Lemmings will start to wake up.
	Why?
	Based on what?
	Why would the Lemmings wake up?
	Economically, they'll do better.
	Put the carrot out there.
	California has been driven into the ground by the Democrats for 40 years.
	How long is it going to take for them to wake up, Peter?
	I don't know.
	Peter, not a good plan.
	Not a good plan.
	Come back with a better one.
	I won't give up.
	Don't!
	That's why we're here.
	Never give up.
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	Yeah, I think you're right.
	I think you're right.
	All right, stand by, gentlemen.
	Let's come in with a cut, or let me tee up.
	Yeah, I'll tee up either six or seven, all right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, Eric, you should have all the audio right now.
	30 seconds.
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	Another new bump in.
	Alrighty, stand by.
	Alright.
	Thank you.
	sense out of today's news, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Today he's in front of the Senators, Antony Blinken, trying to justify the disastrous withdrawals, the surrender of Kabul to the Taliban.
	Yesterday he was on Capitol Hill in front of the Congress, men and women, making very, very peculiar statements, trying to justify that shambolic withdrawal.
	Here's one of them.
	Cut six, Antony Blinken.
	Since 2004, roughly, something like $80 billion in defense articles was provided to Afghanistan.
	So that goes back over the last roughly two or three years.
	Sir, I'm sorry, I'm only asking about the GPS tracking.
	We know the location of this equipment that we have now seen fall into the hands of terrorists.
	Are we going to destroy it or not?
	So much of this equipment is either inoperable or will soon be inoperable because it can't be maintained.
	As I've seen it, based on what I've heard from my colleagues, there is nothing of strategic value that is that would threaten us or threaten Afghanistan's neighbors.
	Nothing of strategic value.
	The Taliban now have more Black Hawk helicopters than any nation in NATO except the United States.
	Maybe he shouldn't ask his colleagues whether it's inoperable.
	Maybe he should switch on a television and see the parades of Humvees and the Black Hawks flying today above Afghanistan.
	Let's bring things back to reality with one of your favorites, our regular guest, author of A President Like No Other, Donald J. Trump and the Restoring of America and A Matter of Principle, Lord Conrad Black.
	Welcome back.
	Thank you very much, Sebastian.
	You might have mentioned that while he spoke to the House of Representatives Foreign Relations Committee, he did so from the State Department office.
	He didn't take the one-mile journey to grace them with his physical presence.
	He sat at his desk almost rendered visible by the official flags behind him.
	They just moved them forward six inches.
	They would have covered his shoulders and would have been peeking out of the congressman from between the flags of the United States and the State Department.
	Yeah, we have to discuss your latest pieces in American Greatness in the Epoch Times.
	But let's stop here, because I myself, when I watched it, you're so right, the staging of it, and one of the members actually said you couldn't be bothered to come down here as the Secretary of State from the State Department, and this visage of him surrounded by those massive flags, very outré, very peculiar.
	Let me ask you, As a presidential historian, as a keen observer of American politics, do events like yesterday or today, do they mean anything anymore?
	Is it just spectacle for the purpose of clickbait and little clips of videos?
	What is the weight of such hearings even after such a disastrous Kabul?
	Well, I think It's not what it was in the Vietnam area, you know, when there was a tremendous attention paid to appearances of officials before Senator Fulbright's committee, in particular, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
	But some of the what you referred to as clickbait and so on, some of these little vignettes will be extremely damaging to the administration.
	I mean, some of the points where the secretary is normally a relatively articulate man, unlike the president he serves, just stumbled and bumbled and he couldn't get out a coherent word.
	That will be damaging when it's run in Republican advertisements on television, you know?
	And a couple of his answers, as A number of his statements in the past six months, clips of them will be shown and it will be seen how completely inaccurate they were as predictions and unfortunately in some cases even as statements of fact when they were not in fact factual.
	So I think the actual appearance doesn't do much but selectively chosen pieces from the appearance on film and used in I think so.
	Partisan advertising by opponents of the administration will be very damaging.
	Nothing that he said is of the slightest use to re-electing any Democrat.
	Well, you juxtaposed him with his boss, the mumbling bumbler.
	Here he was yesterday in Idaho.
	And another thing that will, I guess, be used in the GOP ads.
	This is the man who bears the title of President.
	Cut three.
	Play cuts.
	I'm sorry to go on so long.
	Thank you.
	And I'll turn it back to you, man.
	I guess that's who I'm turning it back to.
	I don't know who.
	Anyway, whoever is to do the talking.
	I guess I have to turn it over.
	I don't know who to.
	Hardly very presidential.
	Lord Black, are you surprised?
	That not one person, not one individual at any level has been fired or offered their resignation in the last month since Afghanistan?
	Not exactly, because once the step was taken and we've seen what a terribly difficult and needlessly dangerous situation the American interest and allied interest in Afghanistan had been plunged into, And no one quit.
	I think it was clear that this was the president's decision, and he was in no position to fire people as scapegoats, because they would have released texts of memos or comments that they'd made advising against what happened.
	And so, you know, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Milley, and the Secretary of Defense, Austin, and others, Sullivan of the National Security Council and so forth, Have all loyally stepped in behind the president saying that what was done was a sensible thing to do and it could have been improved upon, but the mistakes were not terribly serious and so on.
	Because I think if some of them had actually advised the president to do what he did, they would have been fired.
	And there would have been a good reason to fire them, and then the president could have said, well, this man told me such and so, and it wasn't right, so I've got to make change.
	And I thank him for his service to the country.
	But since nobody's getting fired, everything else is upside down.
	This administration may be judging it by rules that don't apply.
	Since no one else has been fired, I assume it was the Commander-in-Chief's decision, and he's got to carry the camcorder.
	Yeah.
	As he said, the buck stops with him.
	It sounds like it was his decision.
	Who else can he blame it on?
	Let's pull out a little bit.
	Let's go to 50,000 feet.
	You've written a piece for the Epoch Times on how the United States can move beyond the shambles in Afghanistan with an alliance of democracies.
	How can?
	Can we make a silk purse out of a sow's ear?
	What would be the ideal scenario given the changed geopolitical environment after the surrender of Kabul?
	Well, I think what you do is you have the decent interval for the absolute horror, the debacle that is still occurring to settle down, and then you set about re-establishing The credibility of the United States, and obviously as a country, there's nothing wrong with its credibility.
	It was just as powerful a country today as it was three months ago, and it is the most powerful country in the world.
	So it's a straight question of credibility of the administration.
	Now, unfortunately, you don't have any personnel in that administration who have any credibility in the world.
	That's why if Blinken had done the decent thing and resigned, and a more substantial person had been put in to replace him, And with a few other changes at the same time, it would be easier to do this.
	But the normal thing to do is take your lumps, let a little time, but not much, go by, and then prepare it in advance with key allies, and then take the initiative in proposing, in this case, reforms to the alliance to make it more effective, extend it beyond the North Atlantic, which is not now the key crisis area in the world, and include the Middle East and the Far East.
	And just admit all democratic countries who seek admission maintain it as a defensive alliance.
	We're not threatening anyone else, but an attack on one is an attack upon all.
	I don't think anyone in Europe would be anything other than pleased if Japan and India, for example, and Australia joined such an alliance.
	And why would they not?
	Those countries I think would be pleased to have Uh, Germany and France and Great Britain in alliance with them.
	Could Kamala Harris build something like that, Lord Black?
	I didn't, I'm sorry.
	Could Kamala Harris even countenance building something like that?
	She's already said in the revealing moment with Lester Holt in frightful relevance to Uh, the question that he posed about the southern border, that she'd never been in Europe.
	So if she's never set foot in Europe, I doubt if this kind of thing is on the top of her mind.
	No, indeed.
	The autobiography, a fabulous read, is A Matter of Principle.
	And additionally, his book, more relevant than ever in my expectation, I think an announcement is imminent from my former boss, is A President Like No Other, Donald J. Trump and the Restoring of America.
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	Yeah, they're in a bind, aren't they?
	Because if he leaves, it's Kamala.
	It's a chilling thought.
	I mean, I guess she would be better than he is because, you know, she's apparently in full possession of her faculties.
	They're not faculty.
	Look, I don't want to be gratuitous here.
	Obviously, she must be a somewhat competent woman to have held the position she has.
	And there was a time when, even though I didn't agree with her, I thought she was not a bad exponent of a different point of view.
	I have been completely astounded at how tongue-tied and incomprehensible she's been since she became a presidential candidate.
	Now this is fascinating because you don't have to like her or her politics, but if you do compare her her senatorial performance with the last eight months, it's as if she's... something seriously has happened to her.
	She just seems incapable of functioning.
	Look, when she ran, when she was a candidate, she started out as one of the favorites.
	Everybody thought this woman could be a dynamite candidate for president, whether you agreed with her or not.
	You know, kind of another Obama man.
	I didn't agree with him, but he was clearly a very able man, and a very competent political leader.
	So, you know, there was the thought that she might be like that, but then she just walked off the dock.
	She didn't make it to the first primary.
	Do you think it's stage fright?
	I'm not qualified to say.
	I've never met her.
	I must say, I know the school she went to in Montreal, a city where I'm from.
	It's my native city.
	I know it well.
	It's one of the best schools in Quebec, Westmount High School, and I'm open to think that any alumnus of that school would get stage fright, but I don't know.
	Yeah.
	You're right.
	Something has happened.
	It's very strange.
	Very strange.
	But why would she lose her confidence?
	Oh, that's interesting.
	The fact that she got less than 2% in the primaries.
	That's interesting.
	Yeah.
	Well, wait a minute, Jeff.
	You say she was good at it, but you probably saw more of them than I did.
	When I watched, every single question she got, all the major issues came up as they should.
	And her answer was we have to have a national conversation about that.
	People want to know what her answer to those issues is.
	She kept saying the same thing.
	She kept saying exactly the same thing.
	Eric, I'm going to use one of the cuts from yesterday that I didn't use.
	Cut six, President Trump.
	Yeah.
	I'll tee it up.
	I'll tee it up.
	One minute.
	Oh, hockey.
	Sebastian.
	Yes.
	I see Biden's favorability in the polls is slumped by another point.
	Oh, no.
	What happened there?
	I wasn't touching the board.
	No, another another point.
	Okay, we get 25.
	20.
	I'm gonna get ready for this.
	Stand by.
	Fifteen.
	From the
	ReliefFactor.com studios, This is America First with Sebastian Gorka. - Yeah.
	Breaking news from my friend, yes, Jennifer Horner, West Coast Warrior Princess, host of The Morning Answer in Los Angeles.
	This is the text she sent me.
	I just voted.
	This is the first time in my entire life that I have ever had to stand in line.
	Ooh, that's interesting.
	Republicans tend to vote on election day, not in advance.
	So it looks like there is a big turnout.
	The one thing I responded to her, well, that's impressive.
	At least you weren't told that you'd already voted.
	As many Republicans have already been told.
	We are back with Lord Conrad Black.
	His latest piece is in the Epoch Times.
	The US can move beyond Afghanistan shambles with an alliance of democracies and then, for American greatness, threading the Biden opportunity needle.
	We're posting both of those right now.
	We haven't talked, Lord Black, since the commemorations of last weekend.
	This is what President Trump had to say about the current incumbent.
	Play cuts.
	He went to three places, all three places.
	He went to the Pentagon, went to Pennsylvania.
	He came here and he didn't speak.
	Isn't it strange that you had the Democrat president and former presidents at a formal ceremony in New York?
	Biden went elsewhere as well.
	Not one speech was given by the incumbent on the 20th anniversary whilst President Trump goes and meets the firefighters in the office of the NYPD.
	Your reaction to that?
	That's strange.
	It's very strange.
	And for the president to be asked not to attend at the World Trade Center by the families, some of the families that were deceased.
	It's a shocking turn of events.
	I mean, I never heard of such a thing.
	And then for Biden not to make a speech on the 20th anniversary at any of the sites?
	Yeah.
	And then they said that he wasn't welcome unless he released the classified papers about relations with Saudi Arabia.
	And on the day he released them, if he's going to release them, why didn't he release them earlier, you know, even two days earlier?
	And then say it's been my great pleasure to release these papers.
	Honored to be here to show on behalf of the country that we share the sorrow and the pride of those who had loved ones who died here.
	But I think it's a very good thing.
	I mean, they just can't get anything right, and that's not the Democratic Party I've seen over the years, you know?
	I mean, they always run a slick operation, as they did in, frankly, stealing the election.
	But this White House is just stumbling from pillar to post.
	So this is, we always preface our analyses with, you know, we're not psychiatrists, we can't do telepathy.
	But in this case, given the magnitude of the event, the 20th anniversary of the greatest terror attack of the modern age, what is...
	Your supposition is the likeliest scenario.
	Is it that his team didn't trust him to give a speech without gaffes?
	Is it an indication of... You mentioned the massive slump in his favorability ratings after the Kabul surrender.
	So what is the most likely scenario in your estimation given the last eight months?
	I fear that his remarks would not be well received.
	It would be terribly embarrassing for a president.
	To be speaking on a non-partisan occasion of immense national significance, like the anniversary of Pearl Harbor, the anniversary of the assassination of President Kennedy, just a great national crisis of extreme drama and provocation.
	And whoever the president is, is frankly, you know, booed by some of the people present.
	It would be terribly embarrassing, so I guess they reckon, but it was less embarrassing to go and be present and show respect, but not speak, than to run the risk of having a negative response if you did speak.
	I have to say that's probably the most likely scenario because the effect on his future politically, if that had occurred, if one of the family members or survivors had heckled or booed him, I mean, that would have been tantamount to an impeachment, in my opinion.
	And he had to go.
	He couldn't just sit there in Delaware and not go.
	No, I think you're right.
	I think you're right.
	Let's talk about your latest piece of American Greatness, amgreatness.com, threading the Biden opportunity needle.
	The subheading, the catastrophic and banal Bidenization of America is giving the Republicans a winning hand, but they must play it carefully.
	How do they play the hand?
	What is the needle that has to be threaded?
	Is it a full-throated return to the America first?
	Or what is your advice to conservative politics?
	Well, look, I think subtly it is a return to Trump policy.
	I but either with a Trump who is a somewhat more emollient personality or a candidate endorsed by him who is a somewhat more emollient personality.
	But you subtly come back to Trump policy and either with a Trump supporter, Trump-approved person, or with Trump himself, but with the seasoning of having been there for term.
	There's still a little bit of a lingering feeling that he was a little too bombastant and outrageous at times, so he would have eased that off a bit.
	But on the flip side of it, what I was cautioning was that I think if the Republicans go all the way on abortion and they're between abolitionists and the Texas rule, a six-week cut-up, they've got to be careful with that.
	That, I think, could be a vote loser.
	I mean, I understand it's a conscientious issue.
	I just think they should handle it tactically and carefully.
	So softly, softly?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And not bring abortion up as an issue above where it should be.
	Secondly, they've got to be careful, in my opinion, about saying, as they rightly do, that they demand a proper border in the South.
	But they don't want any Afghan immigrants.
	I don't think that's the right thing to do.
	They've got to confine that to, we don't want bad people from Afghanistan.
	But if they say that they don't want even From Afghanistan, after the country's been there for 20 years and has left in such a disgraceful manner, that they don't want a soul from Afghanistan, as opposed to stopping 200,000 people coming illegally into the country in the South every month.
	That's not going to work.
	And I think even on this vaccination thing, the administration is stewing in its own juice.
	The message has been terribly confused.
	And if I were the Republicans, I would be a little careful about saying no vaccination mandates are acceptable.
	I think they're fine on the masks.
	I think the masks are nonsense.
	But I would, for example, not think it was a bad thing if there was a mandate that everyone over 60 had to be vaccinated.
	I mean, we want to save these people's lives.
	And there is, I think, a good statistical argument that that would be a good thing.
	I personally agree that you shouldn't be telling everybody that they have to be vaccinated, but I don't think the Republicans should build it up as a violation of basic human rights under the Constitution on a scale with infringements of freedom of expression and that kind of thing.
	Well, it is a denial of science to say that everybody has to be vaccinated, even the healthy.
	But there is an argument that you protect the vulnerable.
	That's what the people who believe in science have been saying from the beginning.
	He's the co-host, along with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett of the podcast Scholars and Saints.
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	All right, nicely done. - Sebastian, if things go on the way they are, the Democrats are going to lose a hundred congressmen next year.
	Literally, half their congressmen.
	Yeah, I think so.
	And it's fascinating.
	You've made me just think of this.
	Nancy Pelosi has been absent for about a month.
	I mean, totally.
	She made a supportive statement on day one or two.
	And that was it?
	About Afghanistan.
	After that, she's been as silent as a mouse.
	If she's not even coming out and fighting for the president, then...
	He knows he's right out there alone.
	Right.
	No, and I think you nailed it.
	I didn't fire anyone because it was his idea, and he's not getting any support from his elected fellow Democrats.
	Yeah, but I think you absolutely nailed it, why he didn't give a speech on 9-11.
	Just that clip of him being heckled by survivors or family members, they couldn't risk that.
	Well, as I said, all my life I've known the Democrats to run a slick operation.
	I've just never seen anything like this.
	They're just like a bunch of amateurs floundering around.
	Well, I think they let their egos get the better of them.
	I mean, truly.
	Truly.
	Thank you, Conrad.
	You said you expect a statement from the former president imminently about what's going to do?
	Yes.
	Yes, I do.
	Well, I think we know what he's going to do, don't we?
	Oh yeah, oh no, he's going to declare.
	I thought he might hold it for a while, but what do I know?
	I think you can tell he's chomping at the bit.
	He's ready to go official.
	It will force people to give him more publicity than he's been getting.
	Yes, exactly, yeah.
	And no other candidate in the Republican Party is going to run against him, in my opinion.
	No, absolutely not.
	He's got control of that party, there's no doubt about that.
	I was shocked that a man like McConnell was so out of touch, he didn't realize that.
	No, and he still is.
	Yeah, in his world is that one big building under the dome, you know, he's good in that world.
	But that's it.
	Once outside, I guess he knows a few innkeepers in Kentucky and things.
	Yeah, but I don't think he understands what it's like at a Trump rally.
	No, no, he it's it's we.
	He would drop him like a hot rock if he could.
	Yeah.
	Oh, no, without a doubt.
	Without a doubt.
	Got to run.
	Thanks, Conrad.
	If Trump comes in, he might request that someone other than McConnell be Senate leader.
	Indeed.
	All right.
	One minute.
	All right.
	Thanks, Conrad.
	OK.
	Bye-bye.
	Is Charlie now or D?
	- Is Charlie now or D?
	D and E, okay. - We've got a relief factor here, Both the spots are Relief Factor.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Can you post that segment with the audio of the caller?
	What was that, E?
	Sorry, the swearing.
	The Larry Elder.
	The voicemail.
	No, the segment.
	I want to post... Well, just that part of it.
	With me teeing it up and the call.
	25.
	All clear.
	cool.
	25.
	All clear.
	Okay, stand by.
	On the side of the U.S. Constitution, Constitution, America first.
	He did it again!
	Corn Pop's still a bad dude.
	And he was a truck driver.
	Wasn't Joe a truck driver?
	And Super Tuesdays on Thursdays, he said the following in Idaho about another fake career he had.
	Cut one, play cut.
	My first job offer, where I wanted my wife, deceased wife and I, Jeff, what does it mean when he puts his hands up like this in front of him, his palms, and he says, not a joke.
	and I interviewed for a job with Boise Cascade.
	And in the meantime, there was a war going on.
	Anyway, but the whole point was that I used to always kid Frank. - Jeff, what does it mean when he puts his hands up like this in front of him, his palms, and he says, "Not a joke." What is that to tell when it comes to Biden?
	And what is the update for that story of him?
	So he was living in Delaware, but his first job offer was from... And what has the company said?
	You know, you've got to have some cojones to actually say that, no?
	Yeah, yeah, because he wouldn't have got a job.
	That's why.
	No kidding.
	No joke, guys.
	No joke.
	That's sleepy, creepy Joe Biden.
	And then what happens?
	Who?
	I want to know who turned the mic off.
	Here's Joe Biden again in Idaho.
	And somebody just takes control.
	Cut to.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Of course.
	One of the things that I've been working on with some others is...
	Somebody in the White House pressed the end of teleconference and the buffer came up.
	Goodbye, thank you.
	I mean that, I'm sorry, that was too good.
	I mean, I want to know who that person is and they should be given a medal.
	Play that.
	I'm sorry for you guys who can't watch us.
	Why aren't you subscribed?
	It's rumble.com slash Seb Gawker.
	This is a gem.
	He's at a round table lying about his first job in Idaho I'm going to take questions.
	He opens his folder and then somebody shuts down the whole thing.
	Play that again, Eric, please.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Of course.
	One of the things that I've been working on with some others is That's what WhiteHouse.gov did.
	WhiteHouse.gov shut down the feed.
	Now, what do you think's going on?
	John Tudor, what do you think's going on?
	When he says, when they're watching, they're in the White House, in the comms room, and they hear him say, I'm going to take questions.
	Shut it down!
	They look and see if they gave them a pre-approved list.
	Where's the kill switch?
	They're scrambling around trying to figure it out.
	Shut it down!
	No, no, no.
	Turn it off.
	That's better than SNL.
	In years.
	In years.
	And it's true.
	It's true.
	Okay, let's get serious.
	Let's talk about what happened yesterday because it was Stupendous.
	When this absolute beta male, this pathetic excuse of a man who's bitch slapped by Chinese communist diplomats and just sits there and takes it, when he goes to, well he didn't even go, did he?
	When he phones in by teleconference to Capitol Hill to testify about the disaster in Afghanistan, he's challenged How long was your recent interview with the FBI and was it a deposition?
	I'm sorry, I don't know what you're referring to.
	Are you saying that you have not had a recent interview with the FBI since becoming Secretary of State?
	I'm not sure what you're referring to, and I'm happy to take that up with you offline.
	Did the State Department turn over documents to the FBI related to Hunter Biden, Burisma, and or the Blue State Strategies Corporation?
	I'm not asking you to cooperate.
	I'm not asking you to comment on the legal proceedings.
	Are you saying you have not had an interview with the FBI since becoming Secretary of State?
	It would not be appropriate for me to comment in a public forum on any legal proceedings that the department or I may not have been involved in.
	I'm not asking you to comment on the legal proceedings.
	I'm just asking if you've been interviewed by the FBI since becoming Secretary of State.
	Again, I'm not going to comment one way or another on any legal proceedings or not that may or may not have happened.
	Well, of course they happen because you don't want to comment on them.
	Which means what?
	Hunter Biden's being investigated.
	And you're part of the investigation.
	God bless Congressman, I think he's a veteran as well, Scott Perry.
	Let's get him on the show.
	That's what we need more of in America.
	Keep their feet to the fire.
	Don't let them get away with it.
	It's Past time for Marquess of Queensbury rules.
	It's time to play hardball.
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	Okay.
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	This is America First, and here's your host, Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	It's up.
	She sent it to me, our West Coast warrior princess, Jennifer Horn.
	The whole two hours of our amazing town hall last weekend in California with the Salem team.
	You can watch it all on YouTube.
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	And one of the people on the podium, we had myself, we had the Great one.
	Mark Levin.
	We had Dennis Prager.
	And we had the guy who was, he was, of all of us, the most on fire.
	And he's joining us right now.
	And you ain't liked him for a reason.
	It says on his Twitter feed, he was born in October, so he's a Lebron like me, like all the best people.
	The founder and president of Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Great to be here, Dr. Gorka.
	Thank you for having me.
	And you are a very balanced individual, like all Lebrons, yes?
	Very cool, calm, collected.
	I don't know about that.
	I think that I probably am more intense, disruptive, and willing to fight.
	But sure, I'll take that.
	I mean, look, who knows?
	There might be Scorpio rising in your side.
	All right, stop talking about astrology, you crazy man.
	Let's listen to just how much he was on fire.
	This is a little snippet of Charlie from this weekend.
	The day that Joe Biden issued the OSHA order or the CDC order, the governor of North Dakota and South Dakota, Oklahoma and Texas, Louisiana, he's a Democrat, should have said, OK, you're all of a sudden going to act as if we're in a post-constitutional state.
	We're building the Keystone XL pipeline.
	We're sending the workers back tomorrow.
	Go send the troops and try to go.
	Let's let's look at the optics of federal agents coming in and arresting a bunch of middle class, hard hat wearing guys going to work on a pipeline.
	Come on, go try and arrest them.
	We need to provoke them to actually... They will blink, everybody.
	They will blink.
	That grabbed me.
	That 30 seconds from our two hours truly grabbed me.
	The idea that we go on the offensive because if we did that, if those governors did that, Charlie, they would blink, wouldn't they?
	The feds would blink.
	Yes, the question is, would the governors blink?
	That's the real question.
	Would they do it first?
	Right.
	Yeah, and so if the governors had a backbone, you know, similar to kind of Ron DeSantis, who's one of the one of the few that has really fought, then this is how they would be thinking, which is who's to say that a federal judge can come in and all of a sudden suspend the pipeline?
	And who's to say that a federal judge, not even a federal judge, I'm sorry, a president would come in and just with a stroke of a pen, he didn't run on that.
	That's not his mandate.
	You know, Biden came in running under office saying that he was He slipped of the tongue and said that he wanted to abolish and phase out fossil fuels completely.
	But at other times, he made promises that he wasn't going to do anything.
	This is the sort of mindset that I think Republicans and conservatives need to start to embrace.
	That, you know, we're here to save the country through any bold or dramatic means necessary.
	And I'm not calling for anything violent, obviously, or anything that is outside of societal norms.
	I'm talking about building a pipeline, Dr. Gorka.
	You're the ones that want to go burn down buildings.
	I'm saying, hey, let's go build stuff.
	And one of the things we can go build is a pipeline that ensures national security.
	It's also a poke in the eye to Warren Buffett.
	And here's how this would work.
	If the governors sent back these workers to go construct this pipeline, it would take federal agents with police power to go into the states and go arrest these middle class workers or whoever's in charge.
	I don't even know how that would work.
	You're trying to tell me that people that work for law enforcement federally will all of a sudden go arrest 15,000 people that are working with welders and trying to put together a very complicated project.
	I don't think so.
	I think that the federal government realized that they don't have as much power as they think they do.
	And this is what the left did to us, too.
	This is what we have to understand, is that people say, that's unprecedented.
	No, it's not.
	Portland, Seattle, New York, Chicago, San Francisco, and L.A.
	They refused to enforce federal immigration law under the Trump administration.
	You were there.
	You remember they said, yeah, we're not, we're not going to issue deportation notices.
	We are going to get in the way of ICE.
	We're going to, we're going to govern ourselves.
	Like, okay, if that's the new set of affairs, then that's what we have to do.
	He is the host of the Charlie Kirk Show.
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	But Charlie, you know, this is the challenge.
	Somebody said to me, we've got to, yesterday, somebody said to me, we've got to get the Kevin McCarthy's of the world to fight like we do.
	We can't, Charlie.
	They won't.
	So the only realistic scenario is we have to replace these governors, these members of the conservative elite, with people who want to fight.
	Isn't that the first challenge?
	That is.
	And that's why my focus is on the states.
	I'm not really sure what the solution is for the federal government as far as replacing the legislative branch with people that are more kind of in the MAGA mold.
	But I do know that the states are becoming dramatically more conservative.
	I love what Texas has done recently.
	I love what they've done with the pro-life law.
	I love what they've done with the voter integrity law.
	I love what they've done with the Second Amendment.
	And we're starting to see the states ...start to reassert their power that the founding fathers always thought they would have, which is that the states created the federal government.
	The federal government did not create the states.
	And that kind of balance of federalism really fell apart, you know, right near the Woodrow Wilson era when he passed the 17th Amendment, amongst many other issues that were put forward.
	So I really don't... Explain the 17th Amendment and why that denuded the states of their power.
	Yeah, so the 17th Amendment was part of a series of progressive reforms passed by the college professor who accidentally became president, Woodrow Wilson, largely because of Teddy Roosevelt challenging William Howard Taft, I think, in the election of 1912.
	Woodrow Wilson didn't even win 50 plus percent of the vote.
	Wilson was a German historicist, head of Princeton University.
	He was he was the first president to declare war on the American founding, basically.
	Well, the founders were wrong.
	Big time.
	Yeah, he was a eugenicist, but also the first movie ever screened in the history of the White House was Birth of a Nation.
	That tells you everything you need to know about Woodrow Wilson.
	And so, yes, Woodrow Wilson passed the 17th Amendment, which basically intervened into state businesses, saying that It doesn't matter what the Constitution says, the state legislature will no longer appoint U.S.
	Senators.
	It's going to be done by popular vote in every single state.
	And this is crucial.
	This is, you know, the state Senate lost the power to represent their states in the Senate here in D.C.
	and it changed politics forever in America.
	We're talking to Charlie Kirk.
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	Do you have a percentage in mind of Americans that need to be vaccinated before we reach a point to really suppress this virus and actually be on the winning side of things?
	Is it 80%?
	Is it 85%?
	Is it 90% of Americans?
	Joe, we don't know.
	And you know, anytime you give a number, someone will poke holes in it.
	The one thing that I say, and I think it's as close to the truth as you can get, is you will know it when you see it.
	37 years in that position, the highest paid federal bureaucrat in America, and he doesn't know.
	We are back with the host of the Charlie Kirk Show, founder, president of the Turning Point USA organization, one of the most important organizations in America.
	Charlie, I thought they're the guys who are on the side of science, but he says I can't quote you numbers, so why should we agree to a vaccine mandate at all?
	Well, we shouldn't.
	And I mean, we need to have a real conversation whether or not the vaccine is actually contributing to the spread of the virus.
	And just look at the data.
	The more vaccinated we become, the more all of a sudden people have become infected.
	Is the vaccine slowing the spread, or is it accelerating the spread?
	That's a legitimate question.
	Hang on, let's stop it, because people are going to go crazy.
	Media matters, pay attention, little what's-his-name, Zaki Puget typing.
	If you talk to real virologists, not politicians, they tell you every virus has a life cycle.
	It's like a bell curve, and they need to burn out.
	And what you're saying could, in fact, be the scenario that these experimental vaccines are delaying the virus's capacity to burn out in the population.
	That's what you're talking about, correct?
	That's right.
	Yeah.
	Just as an objective analysis, which country is doing better, Sweden or Israel?
	And which one has, which one embarked on a mass inoculation strategy?
	Israel did as much a vaccine hitting 70, 80 percent of their population.
	They did a booster shot.
	They did lockdowns, masks, everything.
	And their case per population is much higher than that of Sweden.
	And Sweden's back open for business.
	That's right.
	Yeah.
	And Sweden, of course, had the most mature response to the virus back in last year.
	They did a little bit of lockdowns last summer and a little bit last winter.
	I wish they wouldn't have.
	Lockdowns are an awful idea and they actually don't help at all epidemiologically.
	But way, way more mature of a response than Israel.
	Much more prudent.
	And so, yeah, that's the real question is, are the vaccines helping or hurting?
	No one wants to say it.
	No one wants to talk about it.
	And the CDC has now changed the definition of what a vaccine is.
	It no longer says that it will inoculate you against the potential transmission of you getting the virus.
	It will now help you fight the virus.
	That's called a treatment.
	And we've been trying to talk about treatments for the entire time since this biological attack.
	And that happened just a few days ago when nobody was watching.
	The science deniers are rewriting the definitions of words when they become Uncomfortable for them.
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	And today, it's somebody who's been a wonderful friend, a supporter.
	Full disclosure, he actually publishes my writings on his superlative website, AmericanGreatness.com.
	He is the one and only Chris Busker.
	Chris, welcome to America First One on One.
	Oh, thanks for having me.
	I've been looking forward to this.
	Alright, me too, me too.
	I mean, I just love the opportunity to just talk and get, you know, instead of three minutes, five minutes, we get you for the whole hour.
	We're super excited.
	So, for those who just, you know, somebody sent them this link or they just Clicked on something that came up on the algorithms.
	They're not familiar with you, your work, your amazing website.
	Tell the world in just a few minutes, where do you hail from, what do you do, what's your passion in life, Chris?
	I live in Arizona, grew up here, and I am the publisher and editor of American Greatness, to which you are a contributor and which you are very kind to have many of our writers come on all the time.
	Like you, Seb, I am very focused on, as our former president would say, making America great again.
	That's what we're trying to do.
	There's a lot of ways to do that.
	Some of that is politics.
	Some of that's culture.
	Some of that is just raising your family, making sure you get the kids to church on time on Sunday mornings.
	But all those things contribute to making this a better place to live.
	And tell us about what you did before American Greatness.
	What's your professional history?
	So for, I was, well, I'll give you the short version, but you know, so I was, grew up in a pretty sort of politically oriented family.
	So nobody was actively in politics, but it was sort of dinner table conversation.
	And my parents and my father in particular was very instrumental, I guess I would say, in sort of giving me a political and historical education while I was growing up.
	And I was very interested in the subject.
	When I was an undergrad in college at Claremont McKenna College, and I started working at a place called the Claremont Institute, which still exists and actually has gone from strength to strength since I left there.
	Maybe that's a coincidence.
	But they were doing great before, and they've just continued to do fantastic work ever since then.
	And through some mentors there, their work kind of led me to graduate school in political theory and in history.
	And I was working at the Claremont Institute.
	Again, this is all sort of right-of-center politics back in the 90s.
	And I did realize one thing there, which is that I did not want to be involved in the academic world.
	And so I left, when I was done with graduate school, I came back to Arizona.
	I was an entrepreneur for 20 years and was primarily involved in finance related businesses of different kinds, sort of, you know, saw opportunities, built, you know, started companies, built them, sold them, you know, did found something else afterwards and went on to the next one.
	And then, you know, sort of fast forwarding to the end of the 20 years after having sold the company.
	In 2000, that something changed in this country in 2015, as you well know, which is that this real estate developer from Manhattan, who is known for blue suits, white shirts and big red ties, decided he was going to run for president.
	And that changed the trajectory of my career because I was a pretty early Trump adopter.
	Like I got it early.
	Right.
	In fact, it was right after the first Republican debate that I said, gosh, I didn't, I don't think I even got that he was totally serious about running it.
	Very few people believe that he was serious.
	They thought it was some kind of crazy publicity stunt for his business or his TV show.
	He had talked about it before, right?
	For 20 years.
	And he was sort of like, OK, well, Donald Trump's doing what Donald Trump does.
	And then after that first debate, I thought, hold up a second.
	I think this guy actually is really doing this.
	And I went online Because I really like some of the things he was talking about with regards to immigration and, you know, just, you know, having pride in this country and making America great again and manufacturing and rebuilding the middle class and all these things.
	I thought, geez, you know, and one of the things that really struck me was the way he's talked about China.
	And then I went back and watched old YouTube videos of President Trump, you know, going back to the 80s.
	He's been talking about rebuilding America's manufacturing base and about the threat from China for decades.
	And that was really when I understood, hold up a second, this guy's for real.
	He's not just sort of riffing, you know, off the cuff here.
	I mean, he is that, but this is stuff he's been thinking about and talking about for a very long time.
	Sorry, so unpack that.
	What was, you know, in the good usage of the word, what was the way that you were triggered?
	Was it this talk on China?
	What was it that made you say, hang on, hang on, this guy is somebody I can support.
	He was talking about all of those things that I think were core to this country and core to the conservatism that I grew up with and I think is really reflective of historical American conservatism, but that had been out of favor basically from the time Ronald Reagan left office until, you know, until Donald Trump started talking about those things again.
	So, you know, it had been 25 or 26 years.
	And, you know, sort of the Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama years were all about, they were all about something else, right?
	It was all about anything other than the American middle class.
	It was, you know, the more people we can get in this country from other countries, I guess the better we all will be somehow.
	If we ship our middle class, if we ship our factories over to China, guess what?
	You know, we'll get cheaper toasters and And won't that be fantastic?
	And, you know, look, I've said this to people a lot over the past, well, even before Trump, because I'd sort of been awakened of the stuff before that.
	But like on trade, you know, early in the sort of in the big sort of globalization phase, you know, I was, I guess, as bitten by the bug as anybody else.
	I thought, well, you know, great, we're in favor of free trade.
	And that'll be good and it'll, you know, there's comparative advantage and all these sorts of things, just sort of the talking points, right?
	And I remember years and years ago now, it's probably been the early 2000s, and I was making this argument to my father, who was vehemently opposed to these things on what would later become Trumpian type grounds.
	And I said, but yeah, like, we'll be able to get like things cheaper at Walmart, you know, isn't that good?
	Isn't that good for everybody?
	And he said, not if you don't have a job.
	And that was like, pretty, pretty simple analysis, pretty, pretty solid analysis, right?
	100%.
	So like, I thought, like, I bought, you know, I got to give my dad credit where it's due.
	But that was, you know, that was sort of the opening.
	And then when we get into 2015, And Donald Trump is running for president.
	I'm thinking, OK, this is somebody who's talking about these things that no Republican has wanted to talk about.
	And they're really critical to this country.
	And then when I realized that these were things that he really believed, because you could see a long, long track record over many years of him talking about these things, I said, OK, I get it.
	Like, he's for real.
	And I'm going to support him.
	And my one insight, I guess, of that era that turned out to be really correct was not that I thought he would win at that point, because I didn't know, I knew I wanted him to win, but was that he needed people and he needed institutions that would be around him to help him make his case to the public.
	And I looked back at the 60s and the 70s and I thought, you know, You know, in the Buckley era of National Review in the 60s and 70s, you know, they really were instrumental in making the arguments that became Reaganism and helped elect Ronald Reagan in 1980, all to the good.
	Of course, in 2015 and, you know, even up until now, you know, National Review has been vehemently anti-Trump.
	And I thought, well, hold on a second, you know, and this is fall of 15 now.
	I thought, well, Maybe we just start, maybe I just start something, a magazine or some type of journal that can make the Trumpian America First arguments and kind of give him the support that he needs that's out there in the media and in the public.
	And that was really the genesis of founding American Greatness, which we just, as I think you know, we just passed our five year anniversary this past summer.
	It took a little time of planning and getting friends and partners and colleagues together.
	But, you know, between the end of 15 and the summer of 16, we put everything together and that's what caused the launch of our web magazine, American Greatness. - And I would say this if I weren't a contributor, but you have such incredible people like Victor Davis Hanson, Lord Black as regulars.
	You have made a superb contribution.
	And I often get asked, what should I read?
	What can I trust?
	There's so much disinformation, even on our side.
	We have one of our most popular articles on our website, which are the 14 most reliable sources of information for conservatives.
	And yours is right, right up there at the top with the big, big names, the giants like Breitbart or Daily Caller.
	So you've really, in five years, you've done something truly remarkable.
	We're talking to Chris Buskirk.
	Follow him on Twitter.
	I don't know how he got it.
	It kind of irks me.
	It's THE Chris Buskirk.
	I'm just Seb Gawker.
	I mean, he's THE, THE Chris Buskirk in the website.
	We'll talk about that.
	I know, because somebody grabbed it.
	But I like it!
	THE Chris Buskirk and Am Greatness is the website.
	I am greatness.com.
	I am greatness.
	You are now Dr. Chris Boskirk, internist, surgeon, neuroscientist.
	Talk to us about the state of conservatism in America.
	Can you give us the diagnosis Now, talk to us about what happened in 16 and talk to us the state of affairs, the health or lack thereof of the conservative body politic five years later.
	Better is the answer.
	That's the one word answer.
	Getting better.
	I think there's still a lot to be done.
	The patient is not out of the woods yet.
	I will tell you that.
	But compared to where we were in 2015 or 2016, I do think much healthier, much more vibrant.
	You know, I wrote a book in 2017 about the election, and the subtitle of the book is What Conservatism, Inc.
	Missed and What It Needs to Learn.
	And in that book, I offered a critique.
	Of what I thought had gone wrong with institutional conservatism in this country.
	Everybody needs to read your book, but give us a summation of what the diagnosis is for the concern.
	What ails us?
	What is the most serious that we suffer from?
	You know, I'll tell you, at the time, and I think this is still true to some extent, but getting better.
	At the time, what we had was a movement that was just more abundant.
	It was, it was, you know, if you look at the institutional ecosystem on the right, you know, they're all sort of post-World War II institutions.
	Most of them actually were founded in the late 60s or in the 70s, and they were purpose built for a particular set of problems and for a particular time.
	And, you know, especially if you think about that era, these were institutions that were heavily Focused on the challenges of that era.
	So the Cold War or rising collectivism at home.
	An issue, by the way, that we still have to deal with.
	But we're not fighting the Cold War anymore.
	And so what happened was is, you know, basically we won some of those.
	You know, the Cold War is over.
	The Soviet Union doesn't exist.
	You know, I don't know, the airlines are deregulated.
	You know, that happened in the late 70s, early 80s.
	You know, those sorts of battles were won.
	But there were new challenges, some of which, by the way, were unintended consequences of the policies that we pushed on the right.
	And so that's, you know, that's what I would call a constructive criticism of the right when there are unintended consequences, like people on the right were the ones pushing, for instance, to get China into the World Trade Organization back in 2000.
	But there were unintended consequences.
	And we don't have to berate one another over, we just need to recognize that there were that there were bad Externalities for Americans and we just adopt we just adopt or sorry, I should say we just change course and You know, that's really what I think 2015 2016 and up till now has been about is about getting back to the core focus of what it means to be an American and what it means to be a
	In particular on the American right, which is we have to, this is what America first means.
	We have to always put the interests of the country and of the American citizens first above anything else.
	That's why we have a government.
	That's why the government was instituted.
	It is to protect us.
	It is to, you know, both our material welfare, our spiritual welfare to some extent, obviously that's a matter of personal conscience.
	But, you know, we have to defend our borders.
	We have to, we have to defend the lives and property of our citizens.
	Americans should not have to do something extraordinary just to live an ordinary middle-class life.
	And that's really what's been going on in this country.
	And you can see it across the board, no matter what metric you're looking at.
	Lifespan hasn't really been increasing.
	Obesity is at an epidemic proportion.
	You know, real wages started stagnating in the 70s, haven't grown much in the past 50 years.
	The statistic that I throw out at people all the time, which is, you know, I think is chilling, but it tells a lot about what's been going on, is that as late as 1988 or 89, it was possible to raise a family of four, own a house, send your kids to college, own a car, pay for health care, all those sorts of things.
	You could do that on a single median wage, one wage.
	And you just can't do it now.
	A single median wage will not buy all those things.
	And so there's been a sort of a slow decline in the standard of living.
	You have to you know work twice as hard in order to get the same things.
	And you know that is really what we need to be focusing on is how do we how do we make our people healthier more prosperous more secure and more able to live what we think of as a traditional historical American middle-class life.
	That should be much more common.
	The book was entitled American Greatness, How Conservatism Inc.
	Missed the 2016 Election and What the DC Establishment Needs to Learn.
	We're talking with its co-author Chris Buskirk, the founder, the editor-in-chief of American Greatness, which is theamgreatness on Twitter and amgreatness.com.
	I'm going to goad you right now because of that subtitle, because you're being un...
	Usually nice.
	I haven't heard the fighting words when it comes to the GOP establishment.
	So here I'm going to poke you.
	I'm going to poke the bear, Chris.
	The left has gone nuts.
	I mean, the left is a radical America-hating party, from Rashida Tlaib all the way to that senile old man in the White House.
	But isn't one of our biggest problems the establishment, the GOP establishment?
	I don't mean the never-Trumpers, the crazies like Crystal.
	I mean the majority of the machinery.
	Isn't that really the primary, the five-meter target or the stumbling block to this message of America first and Americans first?
	Yeah, look, it is a big issue.
	I mean, let me say one thing before I talk about the GOP establishment, because here is something, you'll hear some fighting words.
	When people talk about the, quote, never-Trump conservatives in D.C.
	and they mention, you know, you mentioned Bill Kristol, there are others, of course.
	Those people are not conservatives.
	They never have been and they never will be.
	And it is time for us to recognize that, at best, they are fifth columnists who are trying to undermine everything that the American Right does.
	They are trying to cut our legs out from under us.
	And we should stop thinking that these people are somehow on our side, but we just disagreed over Donald Trump.
	We don't disagree just over Donald Trump.
	We disagree on absolutely everything.
	And those people need to simply be written off and written out of the American right.
	They've done it for themselves.
	They've been telling us for five, six years that they want nothing to do with us.
	Can we just take them at their word?
	Please, this is something that's incensing to me.
	There's a different sort of analysis that I go through when you think about sort of the frustrations we have with the Republican establishment.
	And I do think, I do want to say the, I guess the positive first, but I'll come back to the work we still have to do here.
	We really are better off than we were five years ago.
	There are a lot of people who got motivated.
	to do things as mundane as become, you know, priests and committee men who are very much aligned with the America First movement and set of ideas.
	All of that said, you know, we still have this situation where, you know, it's a little bit like in the Old Testament where, you know, God says to the Israelites who've been in, who've left Egypt, he says, go up into the promised land and possess that land.
	And they get up there and they're afraid to do it and they won't go in.
	And so they wind up wandering around for 40 years in the wilderness.
	Moses never crosses the border into the promised land.
	It's the next generation that does it.
	And that's sort of the issue that I think we are dealing with right now, is that there's a generational shift that may You know, we still have to work on this to make this happen, but there's a generational shift, and there are people in leadership positions within the Republican Party, and that means within the party itself or in elected positions.
	They just still haven't gotten the memo.
	THE END
	THE END
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	You know, I want you to help me with this, Chris.
	Whether it is the never-Trumpers who, as you said, were never conservatives to begin with, whether it's the Lincoln Project psychos or whether it's the GOP just career politicians – Can you, have you identified, because I'm still trying to work this out, why they hate him so much?
	Was it a class issue?
	Was it that, you know, he's from Queens, he's not, you know, he may have gone to the right schools, but he didn't grow up in the right part of New York?
	Or is it really the fact that, you know, he is a billionaire?
	He isn't owned by Big Pharma, by oil or the unions, therefore you can't control him.
	Have you identified that center of gravity as to why the right-wing establishment so utterly and completely detests President Trump?
	You know, Jere, I've thought about this so much over the years, and I think there's not a single answer to it.
	There's a few of them, and they're intertwined.
	I mean, you touch on one of those reasons.
	I mean, there is sort of a class element to it, and so you have this You know, you have this weird thing where you've got a billionaire and the sort of political establishment thinks of him as low class.
	You know, sort of like the old movie, Caddyshack.
	You know, Randy Dangerfield is a super rich billionaire at the country club.
	Not billionaire, but a super rich real estate developer.
	And that's sort of the situation you have, I think, with Donald Trump, is that these people, they pride themselves just on having the right manners, right?
	Because that is how they've gotten ahead.
	They actually haven't accomplished much.
	What they're good at is passive-aggressive office politics.
	And here comes Donald Trump, and he just tells you the way it is.
	Like it, don't like it.
	He's very straightforward.
	And he's very direct and that is something that they just, they don't like.
	It is outre to them because that's not the way you do it.
	You know, you say, you don't say what you mean.
	You talk around the issue and then you go make a complaint to HR or something.
	And that's, you know, it's sort of the HR ethics that have infected so much of this country in general, but definitely the political establishment.
	So you had that sort of class element.
	There was a bunch of, there was some personal stuff too that I think really, that really contributed to the, just the intense visceral hatred of Donald Trump.
	Like what?
	Like the fact that he's unabashed, toxic, masculine, alpha male?
	What is the personal aspect?
	I mean, your description that it's passive-aggressive office politics is perfect.
	I mean, it truly is.
	And he has no time for that.
	I mean, when I first met him in 2015, when he asked me to advise him, I had issues with him.
	I grew up in the UK, stiff upper lip, debate club, so it was a little bit of a shock for me.
	But within about three minutes of sitting in Trump Town with him, I realized This guy hates political correctness.
	I mean, with a passion, he detests it.
	So it wasn't hard for me to say, sure, I'll work for you.
	So talk to us about the personal aspect of the hatred.
	Well, so two things on that.
	One is, I mean, you bring up sort of the alpha male versus like beta male take on this, which I think has a lot going for it.
	If you want to think about it that way.
	I mean, you think about the people in The political class and the sort of political media class who just absolutely detest him.
	And, I mean, I hate to say this because it sounds really trite, but I do think there's a lot of truth to it.
	I mean, you basically have the high school jock versus like the guy who was like the third clarinet in the high school band who got his lunch money taken away.
	Or maybe he didn't even get his lunch money taken away, who just never felt adequate because he didn't get the girl and a guy like Donald Trump did.
	And so you have that sort of resentment that's built up against people like Donald Trump, by the people like, you know, who are sort of the professional chattering class in Washington.
	The other element to it though is, and this is where I think, my theory is that in part, he really offended those people early on because he didn't do what candidates Always do, which is he didn't go around and have all the meetings in Washington and go sit in the... He didn't kiss the ring of the sinecure set.
	That's correct.
	He didn't go around.
	That's how they got their self-worth.
	Like, oh, the candidates come through and then we pass judgment on them, but they have to bow to us.
	Yes.
	And he just never did it.
	He didn't go and sit down with the editors of this magazine or with the policy analysts of that think tank.
	And that really bothered them because that was just, A, it's the way it was done, but B, it's also how they felt like they had power over somebody who was more powerful than they are.
	I think that is huge.
	I haven't really dwelt on that, but that is hugely significant.
	The fact that he didn't go around for those private meetings and they get to pose as the experts who advise the candidate.
	I think that has to be That has to be really one of the most important aspects of the source of the animus, the hatred against him to this very, very day.
	Chris, by the way, please, guys, it is just after the anniversary of September the 11th.
	He wasn't invited to the official Democrat-run commemorations in New York.
	He had his private commemoration.
	But let's support a man that the left is trying to destroy 24 hours a day.
	He brought New York back from the brink in the 1980s.
	Then, after the September 11th attack, they're trying to bankrupt Rudy.
	They're trying to strip him of his law licenses.
	Please, for me, as a personal favor, will you go to RudyGiulianiFreedomFund.com and support this man's fight.
	Please make a donation today at rudyjulianifreedomfund.com.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	- Big question for me.
	And this is one that actually excites me.
	It annoys me that we haven't done enough, but as a challenge it really excites me.
	And you've done so much with American greatness towards this end.
	Will you talk to our millions of listeners and viewers across the nation about The amount of work that is left to be done, you're right, so many people have volunteered to become precinct captains and so forth, but when it comes to the center of gravity of the heavy lifting of the intellectual work, to fill out what does America first mean?
	What does MAGA, Make America Great Again, mean for a second Trump term or for the next 20 years?
	When Reagan won, not only had there been the Buckley phenomena for decades, there was a flourishing, just an absolute flourishing of the think tanks, the movements, the kitchen cabinet of advisors.
	That really hasn't happened in the last five years.
	So talk to us about, well, whether you agree with me, apart from things like American greatness, how much work is left for us to do, Chris, in terms of building the I don't want to create another bunch of sinecure sad cases, but how much work is there for us to do in terms of building out the ecosystem of this new conservative movement?
	There's a lot of work.
	What's the Churchill phrase?
	It's not the beginning of the end.
	Maybe we're at the end of the beginning?
	We have some new institutions.
	We're one of them.
	I'm your show is one of them.
	There are others out there that we're where there's a new ecosystem that has been birthed.
	It needs to be bigger.
	It needs to be stronger.
	And that and we need to one of the things that I think that the Old version, sort of the 1.0 version of the conservative ecosystem in this country did wrong.
	When you're talking about sort of media policy, that type of thing, they were siloed off, really, from the rest of the country and from electoral politics.
	They were doing their thing over there, but not part of the bloodstream, correct?
	That's right, that's right.
	They're just like, we're just sitting over here, you know, it's like I was in a...
	When I was in my 20s, I was sitting in a think tank meetings before I sort of left and, you know, went back into private business.
	But, you know, there had been a project on, you know, sort of analysis and whatnot and it got rolled out and everybody who saw it loved it and the politicians loved it.
	It was just a really good piece of work.
	And then afterwards, when I was in this meeting and, you know, I was just a young guy in my 20s at the time, I said, well, how, you know, how are we going to implement this?
	And, you know, sort of like pulling the needle across the record, everybody sort of stares at the idiot kid down at the end of the table, like, who let this guy into the meeting?
	How dare you ask the most important question?
	How dare you?
	Paul, sorry, we don't, we're done here.
	Like, we don't, this is a think tank.
	Here's my white paper.
	What do you mean?
	I'm done.
	Here's my op-ed.
	I'll have an op-ed next week and I'm done!
	Thank you.
	No, 100%, you know, and so this is like, we need to take, The people who are doing that sort of work, which is necessary, and they need to be integrated much more closely with the people who are doing actual electoral politics or office holders.
	And there's some of that that goes on in D.C.
	that I think is pretty good.
	There's a different problem with D.C.
	because it gets alienated from the rest of the country.
	But think about it the way, for instance, like a, I don't know, like a A SEAL team works like you have people you have a medic and you have a comms guy and you have a sniper and then you know, you have door kickers, right?
	Everything is on the team and they operate together, right?
	Because they need all of those skill sets together.
	And so what we need to do is make sure that we're not siloing off all of the different component parts of our team so that we can be a lot more Effective and then everybody's working together on actually achieving something.
	And this is why one of the things that I've been trying to encourage people on our site to do is, you know, we should maybe think when we're thinking about our political goals, we should be thinking in terms that are much more concrete and less and less in ideological terms, right?
	We can have an ideology that leads us to informs the way we think about our goals, but If we're just talking slogans, we never achieve anything.
	So I said, well, what does that mean, Chris?
	What does it mean to be concrete and embrace an America First agenda?
	Well, I don't know.
	I mean, think about we have secure borders.
	We have rising real wages for the middle class.
	We have as a goal that you can raise a family of four on a single median income.
	Lifespan is increasing.
	Health is increasing.
	Inflammatory diseases like diabetes and heart disease decline instead of increase.
	All these very tangible things.
	If we were able to achieve half of those things, this would be a much stronger, happier, more cohesive country.
	But we need to be very specific about what our goals are.
	So when we want to achieve those goals, we can say, You know, if you want real median wages for the middle class to rise, that is quantitative.
	Like, how do we achieve that?
	If we want to see, you know, the fertility rate rise, you know, we want more families having more kids so that there's more Americans.
	Well, you can measure that.
	You know, let's hold ourselves accountable to the things that we want that we think would make life better for Americans, and then let's figure out how we can achieve those specific things.
	And one of the things we can do right now here on America First is to support those who've taken a stance as conservative businessmen and are under withering attack from the left that wants to cancel them.
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	Thank you.
	Is it a re-emphasis on civil society, on churches?
	What is the happy medium for a conservative to say, yes, gotta be strong families, gotta be faith.
	How do we engender that?
	How do we make that happen in a more Accelerated fashion.
	So I'm on the record as actually supporting a family allowance because I think that some of the... My view on this is that government created some of the problems that I was referencing before that have caused real wages to stagnate and make it much harder for people to have the number of kids that they want.
	There's a large percentage of... Or to disincentivize people to get married.
	Correct.
	Agreed.
	All of those things.
	And so I think it is reasonable to say that we are going to help underwrite some of the cost of having kids so that one parent, it's usually going to be the mom, but one parent can afford to stay home.
	And what you find is that when you have one parent at home, those families tend to have more kids than the ones where both are working.
	That's not a surprise.
	That's just very practical.
	Well, I think we need to start talking about, and our leaders really need to start talking about, why it's important that we have strong families and our families have more children.
	Because that is the only way you have a nation that actually survives, if you have more people, right?
	So we have to stop talking about it because people just don't, conservatives don't talk about it, Chris.
	No, conservatives don't talk about it.
	There's usually some talk about, yes, we believe in the family, but let's get, again, let's get concrete.
	Get married, have kids, get them to church.
	Say it.
	I mean, you're not supposed to say anything good about FDR on the right, and I generally don't have much good to say about him, but if you go back and read his inauguration speech from 1933, He would be, if you read that speech today and didn't tell people who it was, people would say it was a Christian autocrat.
	This is true for most politicians until the 60s.
	I mean, even JFK.
	You read a presidential speech from left or right, and it's full of religious language.
	It's full of civilizational Judeo-Christian language.
	And it's as if the conservatives have forgotten this.
	Oh yeah, I'm glad you mentioned JFK.
	JFK has this great article that was published in Sports Illustrated before he, it was in early 1960s, before he was elected, but he talks about how important it is for Americans to get in shape, be fit, be strong, be outside, and you know, I just look at that, I read it a couple months ago, I'd read it before, but you know, he would probably be ridden out of town on a rail for that because He's talking about how important it is for people to maintain their physical vitality.
	If they let themselves get out of shape, the country will be out of shape too.
	He'd be cancelled as a fat shamer.
	JFK would be cancelled as a fat shamer.
	I'm going to go off and I'm going to read that article.
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	That lasted for about three seconds as far as I'm concerned.
	We will have a reprise.

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