Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Who's responsible for the deaths of our warfighters in Kabul?
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Welcome, dear friends.
Welcome back.
It's good to be back.
I know it's the swamp but it's my studio, it's America First and it's you listening across the nation here on the Salem Radio Network and we have an amazing, is it Monday?
That's crazy.
Too much news for a Monday.
We have so many things to share with you.
First, my experience with somebody who may, in fact, turn out to be more of a swamp creature than he would have you believe.
I will share that with you momentarily.
In the meantime, we have to talk, as we will, for every day for the foreseeable future, about the national security of our nation.
And specifically, what's happening to our troops in Afghanistan.
We are hours away from the full capitulation, the withdrawal of US military assets from a nation we have been deployed to for 20 years, that we deployed to, for what reason?
To make sure they would never ever again be a mass casualty attack on US soil from the territory of Afghanistan by groups like Al-Qaeda.
Since that withdrawal was initiated by the Biden administration, 12 Marines have been murdered.
A naval corpsman was killed.
We found out at the weekend that a member of the Bragg Brotherhood, a staff sergeant, died from wounds that he received during that bombing.
Bless all of them and give their families strength.
Give them fortitude.
Given that this is an administration that has betrayed them and shows them the minimum of respect.
The unbelievable footage of the man who thinks he is the President, who bears the title Commander-in-Chief, who as, as others were holding their hands to their chests in a mark of respect To the caskets draped in our flag that were landing at Dover Air Force Base.
What did he do?
What did Joe Biden do?
The man who said he would unite America.
He looked at his watch as if he had somewhere more important to be.
Maybe go back on vacation to Camp David.
Maybe talk about his son Hunter Biden's dealings with China, with the Ukraine, with disgraced mayors in Moscow.
He was distracted.
He didn't want to be there.
As a result, It is all the more easy to relate to the words of the mother of Marine Riley McCallum, murdered by jihadists, when she called in to our friend Andrew Wilkow's radio show.
Cut one, play cut.
My son was one of the Marines that died yesterday.
20 years and six months old.
Gettin' ready to come home for frickin' Jordan to be with his wife to watch the birth of his son.
And that feckless, dementia-ridden piece of crap just sent my son to die.
I woke up at 4 o'clock this morning to Marines at my door telling me my son was dead.
So, to have her on right before me and listen to that piece of crap Talk about diplomatic crap with freaking Taliban terrorists who just freaking blew up my son and know nothing to not say anything about, oh my God, I'm so sorry for the families.
So my son is gone and I just want all you Democrats who cheated in the election or who voted for him legitimately, you just killed my son.
If you voted for Joe Biden, that mother of Marine Riley McCollum said, you killed my son.
And she called the man who has the most powerful position in the world, the commander of all our forces, that he is drawing out of Afghanistan to make us more vulnerable, a dementia ridden piece of crap.
Who dares?
Who dares disagree with her?
And I'm curious, I would love, I am really curious to hear if you voted for Joe Biden, what do you think today?
Is the absence of the mean tweets justification enough for what you are witnessing occur not just?
Here in America, with illegal aliens, outbreaks of Covid, lockdowns, schools with masks, but the death of our warfighters.
The question is, which is worse, the Democrats who nominally elected this man, or the RINOs, the Republicans in name only, on our side, who facilitate them or don't stand up to them?
I'm going to share with you some behind-the-scenes baseball right now.
There is a man who thinks he can be the next governor of Virginia, a state that really always has been Republican and conservative until the influx of millions of left-wing bureaucrats into our state, our Commonwealth.
His name is Glenn Youngkin.
He has portrayed himself as a Republican, as a conservative.
And I welcomed that, despite the fact that in his initial campaign advertisements, he kind of skated over the fact that in addition to working in his dad's restaurant, he spent 25 years at Carlisle, one of the biggest defense contractors and beltway bandits in the area, ending up as its director.
It's fine.
Business is good.
We love that.
But why did he not mention that in his ads?
Peculiar.
So then I met him at a couple of events, was supportive of the idea of making sure that Terry McAuliffe doesn't come back, because he is perhaps one of the most devious and despicable politicians in America today.
So when I asked Lenny Unkin directly through his personal cell phone if he'd come on this show, because, well, we have millions of listeners across the nation and in Virginia, to tell us why we should vote for him, he prevaricated.
And then his team reached out.
And, on at least five occasions, promised Mr. G, our producer, that he'd come on the show.
And each time he blew us off.
Eventually, with one of the minions calling me to say, Well, he's very busy.
Yeah, really busy.
Well, Donald Trump's not too busy to come on this show.
I guess Glenn Youngkin's busier than that.
Until they let it slip.
Didn't you tweet something mean about him two months ago?
So he wants to govern Virginia.
But mean tweets are the problem.
Here's the question for you, Glenn Youngkin.
Are you truly a Conservative?
Or are you just another Rhino?
Because you've been on other radio shows, not hosted by people who worked for the Trump administration, who are identified as America First.
So you have the time.
Or are you being run by rhinos in your campaign?
My microphone is open to you.
Show us what you're made of.
My number, Glenn.
833-33-GORKA.
And if you can't spell that, if you don't know who I am, or what America First is, I'll make it easier.
8-3-3-3-3-4-6-7-5-2.
In the meantime, what do you, Republican voters, think is the answer to the question?
Is Glenn Youngkin a Republican in name only?
Or is he a good guy?
Who is beholden to a bunch of rhinos running his campaign.
Give us a call.
The same number.
I'm Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald J. Trump, and this is America First.
All right.
Love it.
Love it.
Hey!
That's good!
I like that.
Gorka for Governor.
I love him like a man who probably wishes he did run for governor after all.
You'd have to convince my wife.
That's the only problem.
I'm happy to run for governor.
That's a real job.
Senator, not so much.
Gorka for governor.
The alliteration is there.
Hey, that's good.
I like that.
Gorka for governor.
I love it.
It just works.
Are you running for governor?
I know.
I go away for two weeks and I come back and it's like, what happened here?
This is great.
I know.
Seems like it's been a while.
How was vacation?
Good, good, good, good.
A little short, but fun.
It's always too short, yeah.
I went to Florida just for the weekend because I was like, I've got to get out of this world, so.
Did you do anything fun?
Disney World.
It was happy and magical.
And how was it?
What was it like?
How COVID-y is it?
Nobody cares.
Literally nobody cares.
No masks?
No.
So everybody's like packed in for fireworks and standing there and no masks.
Right.
Nobody cares.
And then how much did you have to wait in line?
Um, actually not bad.
Like, everything was like, most was like 30 minutes.
So, because they're still reducing park capacity.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And all that stuff.
But, you know, I mean, it's definitely not been bad.
Uh... Scooch a little bit.
Okay, good.
Good, good, good.
That's a great new background for the guests.
Isn't that good?
I like that new background.
Sorry?
How long do we have?
Uh, two segments.
Oh, we can do longer if you want.
I mean, did you listen to the opener?
I didn't.
Okay, right.
I was asking the question whether Glenn Youngkin is a rhino, so we can talk about rhinos.
Oh, let's talk about rhinos.
Yeah, no, that's good.
Sorry, because my dad called.
No worries.
But speaking of rhinos, hold me.
Can you grab me a highlighter, Eric, from the green room?
Thanks.
All right.
So what did you react?
So I said, oh, so how far are you beholden to the RNC?
And he got really quiet for five seconds and was like, well, you know, I have different sources of money from different places and was very vague.
He said that he's running on border and immigration as his main topics.
I asked him why he went from evangelical To atheists, to Catholic, and from changing his name, his last name three times, and, you know, flip-flopping on positions.
Didn't really have great answers to us.
Very nice guy.
Very nice guy, but just seems slimy.
My magazine article, he's like, well, I was kind of just saying I need to suck it up and kind of own that I've said stuff in the past that's problematic.
And I'm like, okay, yeah, that's fair.
But the McConnell thing lost me.
Completely.
So.
Yeah.
No.
That's strange.
I'm surprised.
Yeah, I was too.
And I was like, did he not realize that I literally left the Republican Party over?
and then Wendy Rogers from Arizona.
And that's just, that's gonna focus just on election integrity.
But I texted him today just saying, by the way, - Okay. - So. - 30 seconds. - All right, come in with. - I'm - Okay. - So. - 30 seconds. - All right, come in with. - I'm just, yeah, I was just shocked Yes?
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Video cut six and then food for the poor.
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All right, stand by.
All right, stand stand by.
I'm not supposed to take any questions, but go ahead.
Mr. President, on Afghanistan?
I'm not going to answer again.
Can you hear me still on a quick rip? - He's losing it.
I'm going to take any... What did he say?
I'm not supposed to take any questions.
Last time it's, who am I instructed to ask me a question first?
And then somebody asks him a question about Afghanistan and he walks away just like he's looking at his watch.
As the caskets were being brought off the military transport at Dover Air Base.
That's who Joe Biden is.
Truly, truly evil.
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My buddies are in studio.
The first day I'm back from New Hampshire, from the North Country, former attorney to President Trump, chair of the Integrity Alliance, Election Integrity Alliance, of which I am a member, full disclosure.
You can follow her, Jenna Ellis, ESQ, on all platforms.
Jenna, we've got to talk about what you're doing, your travels, the work that the board is doing.
But first, you are such a... Well, you took the ultimate act.
You left the GOP, right?
I did.
So you hate RINOs?
I do, absolutely.
And you know, the Republican Party left conservatives, and they left us.
And so my leaving them was all about saying, listen, I'm going to go unaffiliated.
That means I can still, in my home state of Colorado, where I'm still registered to vote, I can vote in the primaries, that's fine.
But my purpose in doing that is saying, listen, especially for the national RNC leadership, like Ronna Romney McDaniel, And Justin Reimer, we've talked about a lot about on this show.
They need to step down.
They need to get their priorities straight.
They need to support America first.
And when the Republican Party actually comes back to conservatives, I'm happy to rejoin.
All right, so let's talk about rhinos.
I'll give you the scenario of what we discussed or what I opened with here.
There's a guy who wants to be a Republican governor.
He's handsome, charismatic.
He may be able to convince the, what is it, the mythical white suburban housewives that have to be won over.
They're not mythical.
My sister-in-law is one of them.
Oh, there is.
There's one.
There's at least one.
There's one.
And she's very politically engaged, actually.
Oh, for which party?
Yeah, it's actually for Republicans.
She's very conservative.
That breaks the myth.
That breaks the myth.
Yeah, that's my focus group.
It's literally my sister-in-law.
So there's this guy called Glenn Youngkin who's been with this massive company, Carlyle, for decades, ending up as its director, comes in to sell himself as, you know, real conservative.
But he refuses to come on this show.
Or, or, this is the other option, I've been texting with him and his excuses are getting lamer and lamer, he's being run by these 20-something Rhino kids in his press office.
Isn't this, isn't this exactly why you left the GOP?
Exactly why.
And if you are being run by 20-something-year-olds comms directors in your office, how exactly are you better than Joe Biden?
But how about this?
How are you going to be governor?
How are you going to run Virginia?
He would totally be a figurehead and probably have a list and say, oh, I'm sorry, I'm not I'm not supposed to answer questions.
I've been instructed not to talk to you.
Yeah.
And so for someone who is not willing to go on any format, I mean, I'm willing to go on any media.
And of course, you know, people are like, oh, why don't you go on CNN, MSNBC?
They don't invite me.
You know why?
Because I own them whenever I'm on.
But people who stand for truth are willing to speak truth in any form available.
So I think it's absolutely absurd he won't come on and talk to you.
And you're such a great guy.
I wonder why not.
I'm so soft and cuddly, right?
You really are.
Yeah.
Except to rhinos.
Except to rhinos!
Glenn, I'm serious.
We've met each other at the last event.
As you were leaving, you said, I want to come on your show.
So here's the question, Glenn.
Who runs your campaign?
Do you run your campaign?
Or is somebody running you?
Because you cannot.
And I mean this in all sincerity.
I texted you the evidence.
You've got it.
You can screenshot the texts I sent to you.
I promised you that this would not be a gotcha interview.
But you've got to come on, because just like another senator refused to go on Mark Levin's show, Mark ripped him a new orifice okay?
These are audiences that matter and if you are being run that's the first problem and secondly if it's your choice and I say this as somebody who's trying to give a grown man advice and maybe you're you know you're a leopard can't change your spots I get it but here it is from me to you if you're making the decision not to talk to millions of people Who voted for Donald Trump across the nation and in the Commonwealth.
You have no idea of what happened in 2016 and you will not become governor or you may win and then we will find out that you're a rhino.
Jenna, is that fair?
Oh, it's more than fair.
And you know what?
Even if it was going to be a gotcha interview, who cares?
He should have the spine to come on and make his case to all of your listeners who, of course, are Trump supporters, are patriots, are America first, and it's absolutely despicable that he won't come on.
Well, let's see.
I've given him a chance.
He's got two and a half hours left.
The phone number, you've got it.
Glenn?
833- Do it, Glenn.
I'm here every week.
Come on.
I mean, how scary can it be?
He's not really that intimidating.
He's not really Glenn.
833-33 Gorka.
That's 833-334-6752.
So tell us, what are you doing?
Are you traveling?
What's going on in Geneseo?
I am very excited.
I'm traveling to Ohio tomorrow for an election integrity rally with my good friends Josh Mandel, who of course is running for U.S.
Senate from Ohio, and then Wendy Rogers, of course, who is a legislator from Arizona and she's been participating in the audit.
So the theme is actually election integrity?
It is, yes.
The theme is election integrity and the reason that these rallies are happening all over the country is because the left, of course, is trying to silence us from saying that election integrity matters.
that free and fair elections matter.
And so while this is a campaign event for Josh, the focus is election integrity because he's personally told me as well that election integrity is his priority and especially to go to Washington as well to make sure that Congress does not federalize elections.
That's actually the biggest thing that Republicans in D.C. can do is stay out of it.
I told the GOP, the leadership of the GOP in December, There's only two things that matter, which you will be measured by.
Getting serious on election integrity and the second one, big tech.
Guys.
Join us on Eventbrite if you're in Ohio and Dayton and you want to come out tomorrow night 7 o'clock.
Back with Jenna in a second.
Back with Jenna in a second.
So it's all good with me.
That was the lighting engineers.
I like this though.
This has like the club vibe.
We need to get martinis out of here.
We need to get a disco ball.
Do you have Eric's cell or Jeff's?
Yes.
Send them the eventbrite link and we'll post it.
Perfect.
Will do.
Moment to observe my cute little nephews.
Aren't they adorable?
I can't wait to see them.
Oh my gosh.
I know.
They're so tight in age.
What's the age differences?
So the twins are almost three.
So they're twins and then the youngest is two years younger.
What a cutie.
Look at that little one.
They're so adorable.
He's so cute.
His monster's university hat is so cute.
Yes, so twin boys, they were born on the day that Justice Kavanaugh was confirmed.
So we have a great picture of the two babies with Kavanaugh confirmed, hopefully.
On TV.
Yes, hopefully to be one of the votes, yes.
And then when they turn 21, you get the matching eye lock earrings.
Oh, give me line 4.
Give me line 4.
Give me line 4.
Mic's on or off?
On!
Alright.
Hello, Mike!
Hi!
Hi!
I just wanted to know why you tried to deceive your listeners by saying Joe Biden initiated the Afghanistan withdrawal, which we all know.
He initiated the physical withdrawal of our troops, Mike.
Are you on drugs?
The person who actually pulled our troops out is the current Commander-in-Chief.
You do know that, don't you, Mike?
You do know there was an election.
You know what the word initiated means, or can't you speak English?
Do you know that when the Taliban failed to abide by the conditions of the withdrawal that we actually bombed the Taliban?
You're just on crack, Mike.
Goodbye, you sad little man.
And he's gone.
See, you're not intimidating at all.
Why can't Glenn come on?
I don't understand it.
Forget the Thanos snap.
That was the Gorka snap.
Are the libs now that say that like the Q people?
Do they think that Trump's still pulling the strings or something?
Blue and on, right?
I mean, this is like... Luna.
This...
I mean, how...
So...
I don't even understand people like that.
I can't even.
Logic is not a thing anymore.
I love that you're going to listen to my show.
I love Hey Dems.
I love it.
But what do you think?
You're going to come on here and best me?
Seriously?
Good luck with that.
Good luck, guys.
I mean, you know, it's entertaining.
It's entertaining.
There's a reason why you're behind the microphone.
Yeah.
Math Mike in the chat says, Gorka is having a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
It's not a fair fight.
Gotta wait for a car fire on Friday.
Oh, yes.
All right, let's come in with... But don't start land wars in Asia.
No.
Don't go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line!
Coming in with...
Okay, let's come in with seven, Al Roker.
Okay, I'm gonna do food for the poor right before that disclaimer.
And Jeff, I sent you the link.
And we're doing My Patriot Supply here.
I'm gonna mention it.
Let's put it on Twitter.
Thanks, thanks.
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tomorrow.
I will get the card ready because I haven't used these yet, so.
Those are important, because when I get confused, I need those.
Alright, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
Alright, well, stand by.
20 seconds.
Can you tell, who is it who put the lights up?
Uh, Garrett.
We need a little bit more white light on the guest.
Copy that, yeah.
All right. Stand by. Stand by. Stand by.
Andrea, one last thing.
I just want to say, we are looking at the results of climate change.
Those gulf waters were about 3 to 5 degrees above average, 88 to 90 degrees, and that is purely climate change, and that's what created this monster storm.
I didn't know he... Is he a climate scientist, Al Roker?
Because it's purely, did you hear?
Purely climate change because until this year or let's say last decade, the last decade, we've never had hurricanes or tornadoes in the history of mankind.
Ever!
Ever before.
That's the quality of fake news.
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Let's get your constitutional loyally take on the current situation.
We have people saying the President of the United States, the man who deems himself to be that, has committed treason, the 25th Amendment should be deployed by the Democrats.
As somebody who's been in the swamp long enough now, who's been fighting the swamp creatures, what is Jenna Ellis' expectation given the last two weeks?
I don't think the Democrats are going to desert this guy until they find a better option.
I don't think so either.
I mean, if the cabinet were operating sincerely and in good faith, they would have already invoked the 25th Amendment.
And it's actually surprising to me that Kamala Harris hasn't.
And maybe she's trying to do that behind the scenes, because you need the vice president and the majority of the cabinet members.
So the 25th Amendment, I think, does apply.
And of course, the operational language is unable, not unfit.
Because remember, I made that distinction when Nancy Pelosi was calling for 25a against trump because she's like oh he's unfit for office well that's a very subjective term unable literally means he cannot perform right he's in a coma yeah or or he's in very diminished health mental health capacity uh like clearly joe biden is so the 25th amendment here rationally and constitutionally could apply i think joe biden needs to resign um if there were any uh just just moral uh turpitude left in in washington
he would uh absolutely resign and step down but i also think that there's a very good case to be made for impeachment on the basis of treason because treason remember is defined in english common law and um and within the context of treason bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors within the language of the constitution to mean of course including um aiding and abetting or getting a giving aiding comfort to enemies and to put 85
$85 billion worth of military arsenal and to be excluding citizens from the United States of getting out from behind enemy lines.
Everything that Joe Biden has done as the commander in chief, I think, falls squarely within the definition of treason under that analysis.
But let's talk about practicalities.
We've got 40 Republicans who are calling on Capitol Hill for his resignation or his impeachment or for the 25th Amendment.
That's not enough for any of this to happen.
So the only scenarios are his resignation or the Democrats want to get rid of him.
That's it.
Right, unfortunately.
And this is why it's so important that we do not withdraw from voting in 2022.
That is the worst possible thing under the auspices of election integrity to say we have to fix 2020 before we participate.
That's ridiculous.
We have to Make sure that our vote counts.
We have to do everything to make sure that we preserve and protect election integrity, secure a vote, all of those things that you and I are fighting for.
But we have to at least participate to make sure that we get back a Republican majority.
Because if there were a Republican majority in the House of Representatives right now, then we could call on our Congress members to put forward articles of impeachment with teeth.
And I think for Democrats, the contemplation is going to be how much political capital are they willing to expend on this weak old fool.
Yeah.
We mentioned it.
You're going to Ohio for an event on election integrity.
We're posting the event.
Right link on our Twitter and Facebook pages.
In the last 30 seconds we have with you, what should our listeners be paying attention to?
Which states have something upcoming?
What is the next domino to fall?
Actually, the biggest thing going on right now is in just two weeks at California's recall election.
Make sure, if you are listening in California, understand your ballot.
Vote yes.
If a majority votes yes on question one, Newsom is gone, done, period.
There's no such thing as splitting the vote.
This is not a general election.
Vote yes, get rid of Newsom, then pick your choice.
I've openly endorsed Kevin Kiley.
I think he's the best.
Other people, for a lot of reasons, you can go to my page and see that, but the bottom line is vote YES California.
That will be a huge, huge wake-up call for the Democrats.
He's worried and he should be.
Vote YES on question one on the recall of Nancy Pelosi's nephew, Grusom Newsom, the governor of California.
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What's your name?
Yep.
Meeting the mic.
This is a Zini segment.
That's right.
All right.
Standing by.
Yep.
Meeting the mic.
Stand by.
Yep.
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I'm back in the office, back in the studio, in the swamp.
And who's in front of me?
Yes, John Jr., newest member of the team.
He's on crutches, but you can't keep a good man down.
Welcome, John, to America First.
Thank you so much.
I really appreciate that.
I love what we're doing here, and I'm just appreciative to be a part of the team.
So thank you so much for having me here.
You're welcome.
How hard is it to run the board?
You know, a couple of technical difficulties today, but nothing can keep me down.
We'll just push through it.
Well, you needn't have said that, because nobody noticed.
You are just that good.
He's giving you the real inside scoop.
Let's hope.
Let's hope.
Let's hope everything continues to run smoothly.
We'll focus more on what's going on just across the river here than what's going on behind this glass wall.
Well, sometimes.
They like a little peek.
They like a little peek behind the scenes.
But welcome aboard, John.
This is America First.
We're taking your calls.
But first, well, let's go straight there.
Let's go to Bill, who wants to talk about the audio from the marine mother of Riley McCollum, who was one of those murdered in Kabul.
Bill from Sacramento, first call of the day.
Yeah, I'm a first-time caller from Sacramento.
Biden is not a patriot.
But this caller, this play cut that you played this morning was, I think, the most courageous, the bravest, Americanized statements about, oh, It was, it was beyond.
The mother?
You're talking about the mother?
The mother, yes.
Yeah.
Did you, have you followed the video of the colonel, the Marine colonel, who said that, you know, America is not being served well by its military leaders?
Did you see that he was relieved of his command, his battalion command, and since then he's resigned his commission?
Did you hear about that story?
Oh no, I didn't.
I didn't catch that.
All right.
So we're searching him down.
We're going to get him on the show.
This is a colonel who spoke the truth in uniform.
He was a – unlike Colonel Vindman, who tried to remove the commander-in-chief with his lies inside the White House about that call with the Ukrainian president, Vindman.
Vindman was a hero to the left.
Didn't pay any penalty at the hands of the Pentagon or the Secretary of Defense.
This brave Marine who just said comments to the effect that Americans are not being served well by our military leaders.
He was immediately fired from his battalion command.
And he has since resigned his commission over the weekend.
We're going to get out.
We're going to reach out to him.
Hopefully he'll come on board.
Thank you, Bill.
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South Carolina wants to talk about the man who wants to be the governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia.
Welcome, Andrew.
How you doing, guys?
Good.
I want to just say that that man sounds like a quack-a-back.
I mean, if he's just gonna be, you know, followed up by some 20-year-olds that, you know, just getting out of high school, you know, not really knowing anything yet, you're not really gonna get very far.
It's not a good sign, it's not a good sign, is it, Andrew?
No, it's not.
I got two points that you could comment on, if you would like.
First part is, you know, I was, you know, sitting in church and, you know, the preacher was saying, you know, back in the Israelites times when the Israelites turned their back on God, you know, God took his hands off of it.
And I feel, you know, that that's what's happening today in today's time.
And my second point is, you know, if the liberals want to play with these mask mandates on our children, you know, they forget that we pay their salaries.
Yes.
Take your kids out of school.
Sean Hannity has a very good program for like virtual school that teaches, you know, constitutional know abouts.
And I say that we just take our kids out of school, show the left, like, hey, this is our money that we're putting into your school, and we just go from there.
I would love to see a mushrooming of the whole school, the homeschool movement.
It's difficult.
Not everybody can do that because the parents are both working.
But I think a lot of people are waking up to just how bad a raw deal our public school system is, how the kids are being indoctrinated against their parents.
So if they want to keep moths on your kids, pull them out of school if you can.
If you can't organize yourselves to create homeschooling pods, perhaps that's the best thing you can do.
And to your first point, You know, the Old Testament, as a Christian, you've got to know the Old Testament, but you've also got to understand the transition to the New Testament.
The God of the Old Testament is not the God of the New Covenant.
When He sent His one and only Son to die for us, to take our sins upon Himself, willingly, The wrathful God of the Old Testament was changed forever.
His attitude to us after he gave us his son to die for us created a new relationship.
So the idea that he's taking his hands off us, that's not, that's not what the crucifixion of our Lord and Savior represents.
He will be back.
And we've already won if we believe in him.
But right now, the fact is, we must never lose faith, and we must cleave to the truth.
Great calls.
Thank you, Andrew.
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Who's running Glenn Youngkin's Who are the bigger threats, rhinos or the left?
Who's really running Glenn Youngkin's campaign for governor?
Jenna Ellis.
Who are the bigger threats, rhinos or the left?
Who are the bigger threats, rhinos or the left?
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Oh, this is E already.
I know, it's crazy.
This hour man Coming in with anything You don't have any cuts from the President?
Available?
Did we make any cuts from the President?
Do you still have any of those?
From Friday or Thursday?
I don't have any at the moment, no.
Alright.
What do you want?
Like about what?
Dig some up for the next hour.
Talking about Afghanistan?
Yeah.
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is going to get everyone out who wants to leave or who may have changed their mind and decided that they now want to go and don't want to ride it out with the Taliban.
We're in the final hours now.
There is quite a bit of activity over Kabul, according to witnesses, with drones and fighter jets in the air.
The smaller the footprint gets, the more dangerous it is.
And ISIS has made it clear That it wants to get its parting shot.
Richard Engel saying, from MSNBC, that's crazy, saying, stop happening.
Biden's lying.
Defense Secretary Austin, lying.
Jake Sullivan, National Security Advisor, lying.
There's no way we can get all the Americans out of Kabul.
And that's after last night's rocket attack on the airport, fortunately intercepted by our anti-missile batteries.
But there will be Americans left behind, and that Let's go to Josh in the Commonwealth of Virginia, line three.
Welcome, Josh.
Dr. Gorka, how we doing?
Good!
You know, I'm a little frustrated.
You brought up Glenn Youngkin.
I don't know if you saw it today, but he rolled out a new policy plan called his Day One Game Plan.
He wants to do all sorts of things.
He wants to defend and not defund police.
He wants to invest in our schools, restore excellence in education, cut cost of living.
But what frustrates me is that he's running into headwinds from conservatives like you who want to try to take him down.
We need to win in Virginia, yet you're trying to take this guy on and cut his legs out underneath.
How am I doing that, Josh, by giving him access to three million listeners, Josh?
How is running away from talking to the base cutting the legs?
I'm actually trying to help him.
Josh, you understand what I'm doing?
I'm giving access to a microphone in front of three million people, all of whom voted for Donald Trump, Josh.
So what are you talking about?
I mean, if this is how you treat your friends... And who cares what plans he has written?
Do you work for the campaign, Josh?
Do you work for the campaign?
No, no, no.
Don't avoid my question.
Do you work for Glenn Leonkin?
I don't.
I don't.
Yes, I bet you don't.
Goodbye, you fake.
Let's go to Doug in L.A., line four.
Hey, Dr. Gorka.
Recently, I've been looking at this chaotic mess they've got over there, the evacuation.
I just don't understand why they keep lying to us how many Americans are left.
Every passport has a number.
We know how many people flew in.
We probably are a little chaotic in getting people out.
Shoot, they should be able to give us an exact number.
We don't control who goes to Afghanistan.
The only people who would know would be the Afghan government.
But they've gone.
They've disappeared.
The president's run away.
You have to ask the arriving nation how many foreign nationals because they control the entry points.
We didn't control the entry points.
Only France knows how many Americans are in France.
We don't know that because we don't run French immigration.
It's the Afghans!
And they've collapsed!
Why?
Because of Biden!
It's a sad truth.
Great point, Doug.
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You will not believe what Mr. G discovered in the break.
That caller we had defending a prospective Governor, Yonkin.
Wait till you find out who he really is.
That's how good Mr. G is.
But let's go to the strategic matters of the day.
It's been far too long since we've had him on the show.
My fellow fan of Chirque Paprikash, former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer.
Welcome back to America First.
Thank you.
Glad to be with you.
Nice pronunciation as well.
I'm impressed, my fellow American-Hungarian.
We have so much to discuss.
I could keep you on for the rest of the show, but let's just start at the beginning from the professional viewpoint of what you had to do for a living, standing in the arena.
This is the man who calls himself the President of the United States, who was asked the wrong question, I guess.
Cut, six.
I'm not supposed to take any questions, but go ahead.
Mr. President, on Afghanistan?
I'm not going to answer Afghanistan.
OK.
So whether the president's a Democrat or Republican, is it a good strategy to say, I'm not answering that question to turn your power back and walk away, Ari, as former White House press secretary? - I mean, the only thing he could have done worse was going to maybe the July 4th holiday weekend.
And when he was asked about Afghanistan, say, I only want to take happy questions.
I mean, I guess when you compare what he did yesterday to what he did in July, this is only the second worst communications blunder he's made.
And when it comes to body language, not just what comes out of somebody's mouth, but this video that is now truly one of the most viral videos in the last 24 hours of him apparently looking at his wristwatch as even his wife was holding her hand on her heart as the caskets were coming off the military transports at Dover Air Force Base.
Does a president, let me ask you, does a president come back from that image?
Oh, you know, for people who are against him because he or him because he's not Donald Trump, he can do no wrong.
But for most Americans who actually want to make a fair evaluation of who we have as the commander in chief, this is daunting.
And Sebastian, this counts.
This resonates.
This is deeply important to the American people.
It's about our national honor.
It's about our military.
It's about our promises around the world.
This is not your typical shining object, so to speak, that politics is full of.
And I think what Americans are realizing now is we elected somebody who's just not up to the task.
I just want to do this out of fairness, because this isn't just about politics, but if you were, if this was the Bush administration, if Biden were a Republican and you were the Press Secretary, what would you be telling the current Commander-in-Chief to be doing differently when it comes to the last 10 days in America in strategic communications?
Well, it's too late to do anything going forward.
He's in the hole.
But the two things that stand out of me that he did wrong were, number one, when he set the date of September 11th as the withdrawal date.
That is a sacred date.
That is a date to memorialize, to thank you to those families who are still suffering, who lost their loved ones.
That's a date to remember them, and it should not be mixed up in any of this.
Two, He failed to prepare the nation, and that's the mistake.
Over the many months from when he announced the September 11th date to today, he should have given a series of speeches at military bases around the country, talking about how perilous this could be, talking about how the risks could be taken, talking about the decisions he made, the counting on the Afghan military.
He didn't lay it out.
Now that you mention that, there was a complete vacuum.
An utter vacuum in preparation.
How is that possible?
I mean, he has a staff.
How is that possible, Ari?
Because I think Joe Biden, the man who's been there for 40 or 50 years, he knew the military was trying to jam him and jam Barack Obama, as Joe Biden said.
He heard it all.
He saw it all.
And he washed his hands of it all.
He just directed the generals, get us out.
I don't care what it takes.
I gave you the date.
Get it out.
Don't try to jam.
You can leave.
I don't want to hear it.
So I think he checked out.
He gave instructions and checked out.
And then, then I'm realizing what Donald Trump said all along was absolutely right.
You get out the civilians, you get out the equipment, you get out the military, and you bomb what's left.
How sensible.
But when you just want to bug out, you don't see it that way, do you?
No, you don't.
You have other priorities.
We're actually going to have an hour tomorrow with Kash Patel, the chief of staff of the Pentagon in the Trump administration, who wrote the plan, the conditions-based withdrawal plan for the Trump administration.
He'll tell the truth about just how different the current situation is.
All right, OK, let's flip the coin.
We're talking to Ari Fleischer, former White House press secretary, Fox News contributor.
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Ari, for those, it doesn't have to be, you know, advising the GOP or advising the Freedom Caucus.
Let's just say, for those who are in politics or who have a bullhorn and who love this country and who understand The situation our forces are in right now as they're trying to get out of Kabul, who understand what the events of the last week mean to the families of those 13 Marines, that one corpsman and that army staff sergeant who had died of his injuries.
What is the, what should be communicated?
I'm not talking about the slick packaging.
What is the message that should be communicated to Americans and the world As we approach the 20th anniversary of 9-11, when it comes to our standing and our role in the world, Ari?
Well, this is why I can't give advice here.
Because the message should be that America leaves no one behind.
Yeah.
But when you cut and run, you leave people behind.
And so you're morally deripped.
You don't have something to say.
America has always been that light.
We've always been the nation that took the risks.
and did what was necessary.
It's because our military is so strong and good.
But we have a leader now who's not as good and strong as our military, and so he got the order wrong.
I don't know how you come back from this.
If I'm Joe Biden, the only thing I can hope for is no more damage, no more death, and then a peaceful new Taliban takes over, and people tend to forget.
That's all you can do.
You can't hope.
You can't plan, and you can't believe.
You can only hope.
All right, well, let's move forward.
Let's say that there is a Republican victory, not just in the Senate and the House next year, but in the presidential election in three years' time.
Talk to us about, in the historic context, because it's very easy for us to wallow in the situation we're in right now.
Nobody trusts us, not even the British.
Our partners like Taiwan are petrified that we're going to turn their back on them as well.
Remind us, if you will, or talk to us about how possible it truly is once there is a political turnaround to have a messaging and a moral turnaround.
So from Carter to Reagan, from Obama to Trump, it can be done, correct Ari?
It's simple.
America leads.
It is that simple.
You need strong leaders who say, the right answer is, America's going in, America's telling the Taliban, you stay out of Kabul, we're in charge, we'll set up the transportation routes, we'll get people to the airport, we lead.
You just need a president who believes that and acts like that.
So when the next president who comes along, who understands what American leadership means, The world will respect us.
The world will follow.
Some will complain because we're powerful, but they'll secretly say, thank God you guys are doing what you're doing.
It's all about leadership.
I think you've just nailed it, because it's not just all about leadership.
Answer me this very simple question, Ari, as a communications professional.
Is it possible to communicate America properly if you don't believe in America?
Isn't that the primary issue?
Yeah, and I think the fault line, because I don't like to say Democrats don't believe in America.
They just believe in a different kind of America.
No, but they don't think America's been a good influence.
It's a fact.
They don't.
They don't believe we've been a good world influence.
I mean, you don't have a presidential apology tour, Ari, if you think we've been a good influence, do you?
I think their belief is that you don't lead from a position of strength.
That you lead from a position of diplomacy.
You lead from a position of sweet talk.
What Ronald Reagan showed, what Donald Trump showed, is always you lead from a position of strength.
And that way, if you ever get into a run-in with somebody, you've got the leverage.
You've got the power.
You've got the military.
I think there's a host of Democrats who think the military is for naught.
What it does is wrong.
On September 11, 2001, liberal group MoveOn.org led the effort to get us to respond through judicial international means.
They did not want us to use our military to respond to an attack on our country.
They think the military is wrong to be used when we're under attack.
And I think that's the difference, Sebastian.
I am all for a muscular, strong America.
That when we give our word, we keep it, because our adversaries know, don't mess with America.
It was a byword of the great Ronald Reagan, and we revivified it, and we used it in the Trump administration.
Peace through strength.
Ari's absolutely right.
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I'm going to tee that up.
Let me go ahead and pull up Skype info for Solomon and I will dial him.
I'm going to, in that case, I'm going to move the, uh, I'm going to move the American financing disclaimer to next segment.
No, you can do it.
No, just for ease of moving around here.
It just makes more sense.
Okay.
If we're going to queue up, uh, uh, that audio.
All right.
Dialing him now on Skype channel one.
Just push everything down for the disclaimers.
If you're listening to this broadcast right now... Hello John, can you hear us?
Loud and clear guys, how do I sound?
Alright!
Look at him, spick and span!
I cleaned up well after vacation.
Have you been on vacation too?
I took last week off.
Nice.
Why are people saying I went on vacation?
I was in New Hampshire, but I broadcast every single day.
How is that a vacation?
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Right?
That's what I think.
That's work.
Especially when there's no air conditioning.
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I heard all of Upper New England was like 90 degrees.
It was crazy.
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Can we dial him back because we're getting a pause every now and again?
Anything you want to talk about Afghanistan will be really fun.
I had a Green Beret on the podcast today.
I'm sorry, Army Ranger, who says that a wave of terrorism is coming our way.
Move out of these cities because they're going to be the vulnerable one.
That's fine.
All right, we'll share that.
Can we dial him back because we're getting a pause every now and again?
Yeah, okay, I'll dial.
Stand by, John.
I'll hang up and call back real quick.
America, first of all, what's your name?
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Alright, what do you want to say?
Do you want to come in with the food for the poor audio?
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I want to cue it up.
Okay.
In that case, I think I'll have enough time.
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How do you think this sounds, Seb?
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Yep, hey guys, does it sound any better?
Yep, yep, no pauses, good, good, good.
I'm curious about this new lighting, how this is gonna work out.
I think the blue actually works nicely with the flag behind it.
Yeah, I just wonder what it's gonna look like on, uh...
On Rumble and everywhere.
We'll see.
We got one minute?
What do you guys think on Rumble?
Do you see a difference in the lighting?
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Let's get some Rumblers to comment.
I came back after two weeks and there's lights everywhere here, so I'm curious if I look like a meat puppet or not.
Well, the red light behind Jenna and Cash was certainly noticeable.
It was, yeah, it was rather mood lighting.
Alright.
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Okay.
35 seconds.
What are we coming in with, John?
Uh, American Financing Disclaimer, and then we're gonna do Food for the Poor, and I'm gonna queue up, uh, he's gonna queue up the cut.
Copy.
Which cut was that?
My cut.
Oh, your cut.
Yep.
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Jim, Phil, Claudia, don't go anywhere.
But as soon as I saw the articles coming off his feed from his media empire, I said, I hope John's on the show today.
And sure enough, he was.
It's justthenews.com.
You've got to bookmark them.
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Jay Solomon reports.
We'll talk about those stories in a second.
But first, from a communications standpoint.
Oh, let's let's let's begin here.
Has the worm turned?
Is the White House press corps finally, finally going to break that honeymoon with the man whose ice cream flavors have been their topic for so long?
Yeah, I do think so.
I think, listen, at the end of the day, they hear the American people, and the American people have seen nothing but a disaster in Afghanistan, nothing but a disaster at the border, nothing but a disaster with inflation.
They're starting to feel the impact of the Biden agenda, and that resonates down.
If you're trying to sell stories and information and you're not covering what the American people are most concerned about, you start to lose audience.
And so I think this is driven by the fact that the American people first are frustrated by Joe Biden's performance.
You see it in the polling and other places, and now the media are realizing they have an obligation to go cover this, and they're starting.
I wouldn't say it's a volcano overrunning, but they're starting to ask the hard questions that they should have been asking months ago.
We just had Ari Fleischer on, who is, you know, the man at the podium for the Bush administration, and he said when I asked him, you can't recover from the last week in terms of communicating.
There's no way to undo the I'm not taking questions, turning your back on the podium.
How much damage has this done, do you think, in terms of the strategic communications brand of this White House?
Presidential politics is always visceral, right?
And so we have a personal connection to the president that we don't have to our other politicians.
When you see Joe Biden's head down on the podium, when you see him checking his watch, During the military procession for the 13 soldiers that died on his watch.
When you see him say just two weeks ago, no one's going to be hanging on planes.
It's going to be an orderly transition.
Then people start hanging on planes because it got disorderly and chaotic.
Those images are seared in the back of people's consciousness.
And they're not going to be easily erased.
They're going to be there for a long time.
These are issues of competence and performance.
And they will not be rejected or forgotten easily.
Remember, they still, they still, when I went to Harvard, they still gave lectures on the five o'clock shadow on Nixon's face during the debate with JFK that made him look old and worn out and made JFK look vibrant.
They're talking about five o'clock shadows.
That's still, still a topic in strategic communications.
We're talking to John Solomon, JustTheNews.com.
Jay Solomon reports.
And by the way, I hated Harvard, okay?
I didn't drop that there, I just wanted to tell you where I heard it.
I detested it and I got out of there as fast as I could.
John, let's talk about the story that made me go, I hope John's coming on the show today!
The FBI is supposed to keep things secret, but not everything.
Is that right?
Yeah, listen, we've heard time and again, ever since the spring of 2017 when we began unraveling the Russia collusion narrative and the misconduct that the FBI engaged in, there were two things we always told.
You have to be honest about your confidential informants and you have to tell the court the negative things that don't support your thing.
You can't omit exculpatory information is the fancy word.
Well, time and again we saw that in Russia.
Then after the Russia case, the Inspector General came out and said, it's happening in cases all over.
There are search warrants and FISA warrants unrelated to Trump, where information has been hidden from the courts.
And they're not managing confidential informants who have bad backgrounds.
They're not disclosing that when they're required under the law.
Chris Wray came around and said, listen, I got a handle on this.
We're fixing it.
Well, here, a brand new case in Washington state involving a white supremacist named Caleb Brown.
I think his name is.
He is accused of targeting Jews and minorities with hateful retribution.
So he's not a likable guy.
But here they had an informant who was posing as a white supremacist publisher for 16 years, paid $144,000 by the FBI, The FBI never told the court approving the search warrant about his relationship and the money, and they didn't tell him that he had a prior felony conviction.
Something that goes to the credibility of that informant.
Will there be any consequences to this story of FBI malfeasance again, or is this just something that rare outlets like yourself are shining a light on?
What's your experience, what's your expectation as somebody who's been an investigative journalist for so long, John?
Well, listen, the judge that has this case is a guy with a reputation for being a stickler, that you come into my courtroom, you act appropriately, you don't mess around, he's giving speeches about it.
There's a pending motion before him to withhold or to strike down some of the evidence against this defendant because of the FBI's conduct.
And the Justice Department has come in and said, yeah, no, we did it, but we don't think it's a fatal mistake, we're sorry, we did it.
That doesn't give me much hope that the Justice Department will discipline the FBI agents or the lawyers who process the search warrant affidavit.
But the real consequence could come in the case where the government, who's trying to prosecute someone who's allegedly a bad guy, may lose some of the evidence if the judge rules in that direction.
I have to ask you, every time you come on, because you've been the person telling the truth about the Russia collusion hoax since the get-go, any news, anything you're hearing on the wire about Durham?
Is the report coming?
Is the grand jury doing anything?
What is John hearing?
There are people that have read sections of the draft report, so there are parts of the report that are now in a format where people can read it and back read it for accuracy and fairness and things like that.
And then there is some activity before the grand jury, still in this last few weeks, indicating that he may be pursuing criminal charges against a small number of FBI or DOJ officials.
I believe they're looking at some of the agents that were involved in the FISA warrants and also providing information to Congress.
And then there's some interesting things, like some things going on with the Clinton Foundation and connections to the dossier.
We'll see where all that leads.
But John Durham has run a very active investigation.
This is not a head fake.
There is a very detailed investigation.
And I think there will be, they're certainly acting as though there may be some additional criminal charges.
And the paucity, the lack of leaks, is fascinating.
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Okay.
Mic's on.
Thank you, John.
We'll send you the links.
My pleasure.
Okay, thank you.
Looking good.
I'll socialize them up.
Thank you.
All right.
Bye-bye.
Thank you very much, John.
John Solomon.
John on the team.
We got too many Johns here.
I know.
John Cascio.
Johns everywhere.
Junior's a good moniker for me.
That's a good... Doesn't piss you off?
Not at all.
Not at all.
John Junior or Junior?
John Junior's good.
I like that.
It's kind of Walton.
It's like the Waltons.
John Boy.
John Boy.
I thought JP sounded slick, but then Chad said JP's a reserve for the Popes.
JP.
Although I said I do like Morgan, so...
Let's see here.
All right.
So we're doing relief here.
And I'm coming in with the food.
All right.
I've got you to you've got to read to me the stuff about this guy.
Okay.
On microphone.
Titles for Ari and Solomon.
Ari.
He was It's impossible for Biden to recover.
For Ari, for Solomon.
The FBI lied again.
Secretary for a few months.
It's impossible for Biden to recover.
For Ari.
Yes.
And for Solomon.
The FBI lied again.
Yep.
Surprise.
The FBI lied.
I'm going to text you something, Eric.
Yes.
Oh.
Your phone is always visible, right?
Okay, good.
Because that's crucial.
Just in case.
Yeah, that's what Shad told me.
He said, be vigilant, keep that out.
Right next to the keyboard.
so it will be there.
All right, I've got so many good cuts.
Oh, let me check that and I will text you right back.
Yep.
Okie dokes.
1 minute 40.
Alright, so.
You coming in with a cut here?
Yeah, I'll come in with cut three, then I'll go to calls.
Cut three.
Copy that.
Okay.
I'm playing food disclaimer at the top.
I can't quite tell if Seth Moulton is actually, like, if he means what he says, or if he's just trying to become relevant.
Was he the Democrat, or it was Myers and Moulton, right, that flew?
Yeah, yeah.
But which is which?
Yeah, he went over there.
Moulton's the Democrat.
He's a Democrat.
Major's the Republican who replaced Justin Amash, I think.
Myers, not Majors.
Isn't it pronounced... Is it Myers?
It's spelled M-E-I-J-E-R, I think.
Okay.
Let me check that.
Yeah.
I don't know how it's pronounced, but yeah, he took Justin Amash's old seat.
Michigan 3.
Okay, coming in with cut space.
A little Spanish flair.
I can't speak any of it, but I know some numbers.
There we go.
All right, we got 35.
Bye.
My favorite Spanish phrase, of course, is... I don't know that one, unfortunately.
I mean, of course I also like Hasta La Vista, but, you know, I'm a little biased.
Fun fact, in the Spanish dub of Terminator 2, to keep that line humorous, they changed it to Sayonara, baby.
Oh, that's funny.
That's really funny.
Alright, stand by.
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Is the process going as smoothly as the White House describes it?
No, Jake.
I mean, look.
One of the things we learned on the ground there is that one of the biggest burdens on the troops are all these haphazard requests coming in from members of Congress and members of the administration in no sort of organized way.
So the troops, again, on the ground are doing this incredibly heroic effort not only out there in front of the gate to find these Afghans, but behind the wire in the airport to simply identify which ones we need to get, to sift through thousands and thousands of requests and figure out which ones we need to bring over the wire.
So the system is not working very well. - The system isn't working well, according to Congressman Moulton, or is it?
Well let's listen to some propaganda.
General Kenneth McKenzie Jr.
Should generals be juniors?
That's kind of like a juxtaposition there.
He is the CENTCOM commander and he has stated now, it's live, it's breaking news, the Afghan war is over and the last C-17 has left Hamid Karzai Airport in Kabul.
One little wrinkle in your plan, General McKenzie.
As my old boss used to say, the enemy gets a vote.
You don't get to decide if the war is over unless you have killed every single one of them or they say they are no longer fighting.
It's all a lie.
It's a damnable lie.
Alright, I promised you we'd reveal to you the identity of the individual who called in as an innocent listener to defend Glenn Youngkin and why was I lambasting him in front of millions of listeners and what kind of a conservative am I?
And I had a hunch.
And I asked him live on air, do you work for Glenn Youngkin?
And he wouldn't answer the question.
So I asked him once more.
And he said he doesn't.
Huh.
Well, who is he?
Well, my producer identified him.
Mr. G, Jeff, who is the man who called in to our show to defend Glenn Youngkin and say, I'm not a conservative?
That would be Devin O'Malley.
Oh, I like that.
Nice Irish lady.
And Devin O'Malley, is he just, what, a truck driver from Indiana?
Well, if you go to his Twitter page, it's funny, Youngkin for governor is in the bio.
What?
Junkin for governor?
Yeah and then I just uh doing a little bit more searching he's done a couple of radio interviews as a campaign spokesperson for uh Junkin.
So he does work for the campaign?
I think he does.
So when he said he doesn't work for Glenn Junkin on live radio that means he's a liar?
Yes and it really took him a while to get to that he kind of paused did you realize that?
Oh yeah I could tell there was something so so hang on a second so Glenn let's just be clear here Glenn Junkin Yeah, and I also do think that if you're gonna work for the campaign and then you're gonna call with a fake call to a radio station, you should probably block your number.
So he's a liar and he's stupid!
But he works for the man who wants to be the governor of Virginia.
But you're handcuffing Junkin, like you said.
Oh, it's me!
Oh, sorry.
Maybe I shouldn't be telling the truth about who's running Junkin's campaign.
So, you've got a few minutes left.
You can call in, as I offered, as I texted you.
I've got all the texts here.
You can check them, verify them.
Glenn, are you a conservative?
Being stymied by rhinos?
Or did you actually hire liars to work on your campaign and communications?
Who called up this show and lied about who they are and pretended to defend you as somebody who doesn't work for your campaign.
That, I would say, is a blot on your honour.
That man's behavior, I hope you find him already.
But if he did that, on your orders, everybody knows who you are.
So let's find out.
Call in and tell us.
Are you hiring liars to work for you in your communication staff?
Is that why you don't want to come on my show?
Because you prefer to lie about who you are?
Or are you really a conservative?
It's an easy test, because guess what?
I'll know if you're a conservative or not.
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Remember, he's an outsider.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I love all these guys do that.
Yeah.
Then you don't have the guts to stand behind it.
God, that was so, so pathetic.
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Yeah, of course, of course.
So that's it?
It's over?
They're saying no, right?
Well, the last... Wow, that's crazy.
Early.
They left early.
They're gonna tout that, like, we got it done 24 hours ahead of schedule.
And wait till the first story of an American killed who's still there.
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Somebody who's been waiting very patiently.
Let's talk to Jim in Ohio, line one.
Yeah, hello, Dr. Gorka.
Hey!
Can you hear me?
Yes!
Okay.
You know, you brought up liars.
I can only tell you this.
It's hard to see the truth when you're living a lie.
You can't catch a liar.
They gotta catch themselves.
And there's so many of them in government today.
You know, everything's pretty much common sense.
But I called and I told your partner there that the reason why I'm calling this Friday, I heard that we left $99 billion worth of Fighting equipment there and everything and you're about 10 billion over but what's 10 billion amongst friends about about 83 billion?
Yeah.
83 billion a month.
Well, so I heard that I kept on going.
You got to be kidding me.
They're bringing up the helicopters, the Blackhawks, the jets and everything.
What I didn't hear And I know you may know is, you know, what about the MOABs?
And was there any nukes over there?
No, you know, there's absolutely zero utility to nuclear weapons in irregular warfare.
There's no nuclear weapons in Afghanistan.
You don't have to worry about that.
Those MOABs are pretty powerful.
The MOABs are cool.
The MOABs are cool, but we're not storing them in Afghanistan.
That is the mother of all bombs.
Great questions.
Thank you for your patience.
Phil has been waiting very patiently in Philadelphia.
Line two.
Welcome back, Phil.
Hey, Dr. G, so the stupid Irish guy got doxxed by Dr. G. Hey!
I love the Irish, but that guy... That guy... O'Malley, wherever you are, you're a real loser.
And I hope Glenn Youngkin is a conservative and he's fired you, but I don't know.
Seriously, Dr. G, Biden has one last chance to make this right, and he can do it.
He's got to leave weapons, guns, rifles, ammo for those 50,000 Afghans and Americans who are outside, left behind.
Gun them up and cut them loose on the Taliban.
They have to have a fighting chance.
They know what the alternative is.
Yeah, look, I like that.
That's the kind of, you know, Magnificent Seven solution.
The trouble is he wouldn't have the testicular fortitude to do that.
And on top of that, Phil, a lot of these people, they're just not fighters.
They're missionaries and they wouldn't fight even if they had to.
So it's a nice idea.
But, you know, they're just trapped.
And by the way, Phil, it's now official.
The evacuation has ended.
The Biden administration has ended it early and I guarantee you right now and the three million listeners that there are Americans trapped in jihadi-run Afghanistan right now and some of them tragically may die.
Hey, Dr. G, a lot of people don't realize that when Chamberlain from England turned his back on Czechoslovakia and conceded it to Hitler, he signed a death warrant of over 300,000 Jews there.
Biden's turned his back on Afghanistan.
He's going to have a million murders on his hands.
It's the same.
It's exactly the same.
When you don't face down bullies, they continue to bully, whether it's in the schoolyard, or whether it's Hitler, or whether it's jihadis.
Great point.
Great point.
Thank you.
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Claudia, on the issue of Afghanistan, New Jersey, Line 3, welcome.
Yeah, Seb, there's something that I read I always like to quote my source and I can't remember, so I hope you'll tell me if you heard this too, that 100,000, that's not a small number, unvetted Afghanis that were not related to our war effort were airlifted out ahead of our Afghan allies and Americans and were dropped into America.
If this is true, It explains everything, and there's no need to talk about bungling, incompetence, weakness, or anything else, because everything else makes sense as deliberate strategy.
Have you heard this?
Do you know if what I'm telling you is true?
So, I can tell you the following.
There was, when they started shutting down the airport, when they closed Bagram, when they moved to KIA, to Karzai Airport, The fact is the airport was flooded by more than 90,000 Afghans.
The vast majority of them had nothing to do with SIVs.
They weren't special interest visa holders.
They weren't former interpreters.
They outnumber.
That number itself outnumbers the people who worked for us as interpreters, of course.
It's a lie.
It's just people who came over the fence, couldn't be vetted because there is no database to vet them against, and they were shoved on planes, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds at a time, and shipped to America.
Dulles Airport, right here.
Seb, do you think something like that, a number like that, just happens by accident?
Or do you think it's deliberate?
No, no, no.
There's no master plan.
It was chaos.
You saw the footage.
It was utter, utter, complete chaos.
So these are people who are afraid of the Taliban, or who just think, hey, this is my free ticket.
to America and they just say it's a smart move I'm gonna get a free ticket and I'm gonna get a green card so no there's no master plan but I tell you something somebody who's got a plan it's ISIS and I'm sure they are exploiting this right now I guarantee you there are people on those flights who aren't just desperate to get out of Afghanistan but they are people who want to do us harm here in America especially for the 20th anniversary of September the 11th Great call.
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Let's go to Mark in Cleveland, line 4.
Hello, Doctor.
I want to make a statement and then a question for you.
I'll move really quickly here.
You know, what a loss this whole thing has been.
It's super disturbing to me, but I wanted to just make a mention about Bagram.
What a ridiculous, crazy mistake they made.
They could have kept the place as a communications center.
I have friends there that were in the NSA and CIA.
We could have used it for air power, jets and helicopters, troops and advisors.
Great security, too, from my friends that came back.
They said the Russians had actually planted like five million mines around the place, had drone operations, and possibly even an embassy, you know?
And the mountains were far away.
And we have nothing, Mark.
As of 4pm this afternoon, we have nothing.
That's Biden.
Thank you, Mark.
Let's go to Judy in Brooklyn.
Welcome, Judy.
Line 5.
Hi, Dr. Gorka.
Listen, Biden does not care.
He doesn't care that he left hundreds of thousands of Americans behind, possibly Afghans, whatever.
He doesn't care.
Let me prove it to you.
In 2010, when Biden was vice president, he was having a conversation with Richard Holbrooke.
Judy, Judy, I'm shocked.
Judy, you've broken my heart.
I mentioned that last week.
You weren't listening.
Judy in Brooklyn didn't listen to a moment of my show last week.
I hope you were in hospital with something very, very deleterious.
Well, no, not me, but sometimes I do take care of other people, and it's just impossible, so I'm sorry, but did you hear what he said?
There was a great moment, a Kayleigh McEnany on Fox and Friends, I think it was, or one of the shows, actually read that chapter from the book by the late Richard Holbrook, where Joe Biden says, and excuse my French, ladies, F the Afghans back then.
We did it in Saigon, we can do it.
Yeah, we did it inside and we can do it again.
Judy, thank you for letting us repeat that.
He doesn't care.
He couldn't care less.
It's like a Dover.
A Dover, he talked to the parents of the Marines killed about his son.
His son, who died from brain cancer.
Tragic.
but has nothing to do with their death in combat.
Thank you, Judy.
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Welcome, dear friends.
It's America First, but it's one-on-one, our opportunity to sit down and get to know our regular guests that little bit better and drive deep, drive down on the key issues of the day.
And today, it's a fabulous, fabulous guest we have with us, strong supporter, regular guest of America First, who's in studio again.
He's Left the free state of Texas to be with us.
He is Senior Fellow with the National Center for Public Policy Research, also with Project 21.
Horace Cooper!
Welcome back to America First!
Well, thanks so much for having me back on!
So, every time we talk to you, I could do it for hours.
You are a clear thinker.
You are a candid individual.
However, we've been growing exponentially.
We've got more than three million listeners, video platforms, you name it.
So, for those people who've just lucked upon this channel, just been sent this link to this interview, let's start at the beginning.
Who is Horace Cooper?
Where did he come from to be where he is today?
Well, I don't know if that's a simple question, but I would say that I was born in Texas.
I am my mother and, more importantly, my grandmother's grandson.
Virgie Johnson was an amazing influence on my life.
And, you know, my mother and father had a little something to do with everything.
But she, because my brother and I got to spend summers with her, helped to instill in me a sense of independence, a sense of the importance of how we as individuals are stewards of our lives, how a sense of the importance of how we as individuals are stewards of our lives, how we're responsible for And she had nine children.
She was able to get seven of those children to graduate from college.
Three of those children, including my mother, get PhDs.
And it helped really encourage the importance of education in our family and with me in particular.
And I went off to the University of Texas, learned everything there was to learn about left-wing crazy nonsense, and I recommend it for your children.
If you want to really see if they're grounded, send them to a place like that.
If you haven't really done your work, I probably wouldn't send them to a place like that.
And afterwards, I went to the one law school that I was interested in attending, the George Mason School of Law.
It's now called the Antonin Scalia Law School, and I got a chance to then work on Capitol Hill And in the administration of George W. Bush, I have had a tremendous number of opportunities to travel, see the world, read, and really, really learn how this great country
was made just for people like myself and it has been such a remarkable experience and I would say even people who were only briefly in this country look around and what you'll see is that America is the best possible lesson about how freedom, about how liberty, about how self-government can work.
Horace, sadly, with many of our black friends on America First, we hear this refrain again and again and again that it was my grandma, it was my grandpa, in your case it was Grandma Vergy.
Why is that?
Why is it that we see such a proclivity or a trend that a generation is skipped and the black youth in America seem to be, in many cases, brought out by their grandparents?
Well, I would say this.
In my case, my parents married at an early age and Even having done so, my grandmother said, you still have to do your part.
You still have to do the responsible things.
And that included, for my father, he was one of the few Americans who voluntarily signed up for the army during Vietnam.
And he shipped out.
And when he returned, I learned a lot about the importance of devotion to one's country, about sacrifice, and the like.
With regard to my mother, she started school.
First undergraduate, then a master's, and then a PhD.
If you've got a family that you're also being a part of, you can't necessarily say we're going to be done in about 5, 6, 8 years.
It took a while, but my mother was determined and she was able to get it done, and with my grandmother being willing.
to say I'll take up some of the slack.
You can drop the kids off with me.
Sometimes we stayed during the summers for a few weeks at a time.
My grandmother taught me the value of the early morning wake up.
Now, a lot of times, especially when I worked at the Department of Labor, I was a chief of staff as a political appointee, there were about 4,100 people there.
It served me quite well to want to wake up casually and relaxed at 5.30 or 5.45 in the morning, especially when it came time to do employee reviews.
So this is thanks to Grandma Johnson, correct?
That's absolutely.
And it was Unbelievable!
You know, I missed out when I was in college on some of the late night parties.
I tried one overnighter to prepare for an exam and it didn't work out well for me and I realized Grandma was right.
You do everything you need to do during the wake-up hours and then you'll be prepared.
There's no reason to try to Rush into something and stay up as late as you can and it has served me unbelievably well.
The early rises, the early bird catches the worm.
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That's at Project 21 News, Senior Fellow with the National Center for Public Policy Research.
Horace, I want to get this out of the way.
It's an important question and then I'm going to stop the identity politics that the left so loves.
Where are race relations in America today?
Could you give us the thumbnail sketch, let's say, of the last 12 years?
What happened?
What state was it in at the beginning of Barack Obama's two terms?
What happened under President Trump?
And where are we now, given Black Lives Matter, George Floyd?
Can you tell us, can you give us the trend line for the last 12 years, Horace?
So let me answer a question first that you didn't ask me.
What should race relations be like?
They should be on an exceptional level of accomplishment.
Americans should be able to turn to the entire planet and say, look at us and look at all of the achievements that we've done, how we as people are in harmony.
We are as happy, we are as thrilled, we are as prosperous, and it doesn't matter because of race.
Now why isn't that true?
Well the left tells us that that's because of bigotry and racism.
Well the problem with that is They don't tell us who the bigots are, or who the racists are.
Oh, they'll tell you, look around and see a white male, and that'll be a good example of how to find someone who's a racist and a bigot.
But the truth of the matter is, most of the academia is made up of bigots and racists.
Almost all of the elite media is made up of bigots and racists.
Our leaders, our so-called leaders in Washington are made up of bigots and racists.
We have a full-time effort being undertaken to divide us, to separate us.
It is remarkably similar to what my grandfather would have seen in the 1940s and 50s.
There was an orchestrated effort being undertaken by the leaders in the community to make sure that everybody knows how important it is that we're separated, that we're not equal, and that we can't do anything about it, and this is just your lot in life.
Remarkably, that's what college professors say.
Remarkably, even the President of the United States, Joe Biden, continually says it.
When he's not ruining our country internationally, he spends quite a bit of time dividing us along racial lines.
All right, so let's stop here for a second.
We'll get to your answers for the other questions momentarily, but I have to interject because, look, I agree with you.
I think the bigots are there in the academe, in the media, in politics, but here's my question.
Horace Cooper, what is the end goal of these individuals?
Is it to keep us divided?
To exploit that racial tension?
Have you found what the strategic objective is of these bigots?
Oh, of course!
Look, today's progressives are going to have to apologize to yesterday's segregationists of the early 20th century.
It turns out, yesterday's segregationists weren't actually committed to separation.
They didn't actually believe in, quote, the inherent inequality among the races.
They realized that it advanced them.
It enhanced their personal agendas, their political power, and their ability to accomplish the goals that they have.
Yes, we crushed the economy throughout the South by not allowing every talented person to be able to participate.
Yes, we prevented people who just because they were human to be able to express their aspirations.
That is the same goal today.
They're actually not seeking an end result.
You know, there's been this long debate over the difference between equality and equity and how equality talks about opportunity and equity talks about outcome.
That metric is just a tool primarily for the purpose of allowing those that seek to enrich themselves to empower themselves to operate.
A government that can guarantee That when you go into a restaurant, exactly 16% of everybody in that restaurant is black.
That exactly 16% of the waitstaff are black, regardless of whose day off it might be.
Exactly!
16% of all of the people behind the scenes cooking are black.
And that 16% of all of the sourcing of all of the food and all of the other materials is black is a government that is so powerful, so invasive, and so in control that there is little room left For anything else to occur.
It is that which is the goal.
That power.
Not the end outcome.
So this is very very helpful.
So let me try and put it into my own words.
The actual strategic objective is simply maintenance of power.
I wouldn't say maintenance.
I would say obtaining.
There's power.
But there requires a substantial more power.
We're having a discussion about whether the federal government can tell us whether we can wear a mask or not.
When you understand just the simple example of going to the restaurant and we are going to insist that this specific outcome Every stage, the number of people, well who's checking to see who enters?
How do you know that it's the blue light special?
That some people want to show up early in the day, some people want to show up in the afternoon?
How do you guarantee those kinds of results?
How do you guarantee the workforce, as I said, the sourcing?
All of that requires a level of power and influence that only Stalin would really be familiar with.
Yes, yeah.
The level of control we're witnessing here in America is something that The Soviet nations would be envious of.
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Horace, let me just get it out there.
You've analyzed who the bigots are today.
In that case, when I say, is there systematic racism against blacks, against minorities, against Hispanics?
Your answer would be there is systematic racism and bigotry against the individual in America.
And it is a coordinated effort.
I.
I really want people to think about this.
In the 1920s, the 30s, 40s, the so-called Jim Crow era, it required the government to regulate every restaurant.
It required the government to regulate every swimming pool, every park, every single business.
My grandfather tried to operate a dry cleaning service.
He only succeeded by scheming to get the property in someone else's name.
Unfortunately, in Polk County, government wasn't big enough to be monitoring to make sure that the people that they've approved could get the property And only those people, and not the people that they haven't.
But in many other counties, they were powerful enough to do exactly that.
There is nothing, no truth, to the argument that America systematically works to violate the aspirations and hopes and dreams of black people.
There's no truth that that is happening to brown people.
What is true is that there is an organized effort to transform America away from a country based on the principle of liberty and individualism to a country that has ceded all decision-making, all authority to the betters.
Those who will solve your problems for you.
Well, that was the Soviet idea.
Yes.
That was the Cuban idea.
That's the Venezuelan idea.
That's the North Korean idea.
But at the end of the day, here's what we see.
Misery.
Wholesale misery.
And a few people achieve.
Even the Academy wasn't exempt from the slaughter.
Even the elite media wasn't exempt from the slaughter.
Even the people who made up the leadership of the revolution weren't exempt from the slaughter.
The truth of the matter is, a lot of people are pushing America in this radical direction, and they don't even realize that if they succeed, not even they are going to be protected from the consequences.
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Horace, you mentioned restaurants, you mentioned government control, you talked about the unbelievable amount of control that Americans have given the state in just the last year and a half.
Talk to us about how this affects minority communities.
We have government officials, we have the White House, we have governors calling the unvaccinated stupid and Threatening their fellow Americans disproportionately.
I'm unvaccinated.
I will never be vaccinated.
I had COVID.
I defeated it.
I'm not afraid.
But proportionally, it is my black fellow Americans who are leery or just simply don't see a need to be vaccinated.
How does racial relations, how does the state of race relations How is it affected by the last year and a half and the role of the government, vaccines, masks, and everything else?
So, let me say this.
When I was 12 years old, my youth pastor shared an idea with me.
He said, for God so loved the world, he didn't send a government agency.
And that has stuck with me.
That's good.
Since the 1960s, government agencies have aggressively interfaced with black america and they have promised black america that we can fix every single problem over a trillion dollars later we now see
Things in black America that never existed before government came and knocked on the door.
Such as?
One of those is the prison rate for black men.
You can look at the records of the 1920s, the 1930s, 40s, and 50s.
Black American men were the least likely to be in federal prison than any other racial Employment.
Black men were the most likely to be employed in America throughout the roaring 20s and even in the middle of the Great Depression and afterwards up through the 1950s.
Illegitimacy.
Black children in the 20s, 30s, and 40s were more likely to be born in two-parent households than the population at large.
We are told a big lie today.
We're told if you want to look at some of the problems and challenges that face black America, you have to assume that it's all a legacy of the evil of slavery.
Of course slavery was evil, but our founders understood that.
The principle of liberty that is based in the Declaration of Independence understood and underscored that important point.
Here's the thing.
What slavery could not do, what Jim Crow could not do, Government agencies have been able to do with impunity.
And it wasn't until the 1980s That we began to see a push in America, particularly with Black America, away from this idea that every single problem that exists can be solved by government.
It was a terrible idea in the 20s, 30s, and 40s that was mostly promoted in the academy.
That the best way to solve a problem is to hire a bureaucrat and let that bureaucrat be led a thousand miles away to control and dictate to individuals.
That was an idea in the academy that has metastasized And it wasn't until the 1980s when that idea went into effect, in reality, in the 60s and the 70s, it wasn't until the 1980s that the pushback began to occur.
Well, here's what's left of that problem.
A disproportionate number of Americans who happen to be black are reliant on government programs and services.
And when you say to them that the solution for your life is to be set free from this, they are fearful of that consequence.
You see, they didn't have my grandmother to say, you know what?
I don't need a bank to give me a mortgage in order to get a house.
I'm going to actually save my money and I'm going to pay cash.
1975, she had her third home in her life built completely from cash savings.
Just the idea of that today.
Get up at 5am, work hard, and buy your own home.
Not just one, but three for cash.
It's just utterly anathema.
Let me ask you, let me make it even more pointed.
Horace, whether it's in Texas, amongst your friends, your family, or anywhere else around the nation, do you have a sense of why Black America is leery of vaccination mandates?
We've had the senile old man in the White House talk about the Tuskegee Airmen, which had nothing to do with it.
I think he thinks that's the same as the Tuskegee Institute.
Is it to do with fear of the white man, or is it more complicated than that?
When Joe Biden and Kamala Harris bragged to their donors that they were going to disavow all of the amazing achievements that Donald Trump did with vaccines, and they did so knowing that the group of Americans most sympathetic to them
Excuse me, we're black Americans.
It is no surprise to me that people heard those messages, listened to those messages, and believed those messages.
So when Kamala Harris actually says that if a vaccine is developed under Donald Trump's aegis, she's not going to take it, that's listened to and that's what we're paying the price for today, Horace?
Absolutely.
And let me just add, by the way, there are friends and relatives of mine that believe that she still hasn't been vaccinated and believes that that is part of the reason for some of the strange behavior we witnessed where she had there are friends and relatives of mine that believe that she still hasn't been vaccinated and believes
Walter Reed Hospital when those Texans came to town for their super spreader event.
The ones who are running away from their responsibility in the Texas Senate, those Texans.
Yes.
I'm not the one saying that.
I'm the one hearing this.
My point is, you can't poison the well and then when people go out and you say, why aren't you putting your bucket in the well, get surprised all of a sudden that they're not.
By the way, obesity in America is a real issue.
We can't have a conversation about obesity, and in black America in particular, and type 2 diabetes.
It is operating at epidemic levels.
We can't have that conversation.
That's called blaming the victims.
That's called shaming.
If you're going to change behavior, You've got to actually start being honest.
We haven't been honest and therefore the consequence of that lack of honesty has been a devastating effect of COVID-19 within the black community.
These are problems that progressives are creating that continue to create.
I would love to hear the President of the United States stop talking so much about how whites are stymieing black Americans and beg black Americans to go in and ask their doctors
about diabetes to go in and start meeting with nutritionists so that a significant portion of those most likely to die from exposure would be less likely to be in that category.
That would be stunning.
I mean, that would be truly stunning and I think would have such an amazing impact potentially on the health of all Americans.
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Horace, when it comes to systemic racism and the bigots, it's clear that there's one massive source of it and it's those that are propagating This neo-Marxist critical race theory in our schools across America and the politicians and the school boards are giving them political top cover.
I am buoyed immensely every almost every day there's a new video of a parent of a teacher in many cases black fathers saying enough is enough you're not going to teach my kid that they're a victim before they leave school.
Where does this end?
What is your expectation?
Is this a sea change event to see such a truly organic grassroots resistance to this bigotry?
Is it enough to try and redress the balance?
What are your prognostications?
Well, I'm on the hopeful side.
I believe that America isn't over as an experiment, and that the kinds of mindsets and attitudes that have made this such an amazing place are going to galvanize the public, starting with local elections, but also including federal elections.
Here's one thing I'd like for folks to focus on.
When Rosa Parks was arrested, too many people today talk about the event as if it was wrong to do this because she was black.
But it was wrong to do this because she was an American.
Every single one of us are American.
You mean the segregation?
Her being arrested for where she sat on the bus?
What's wrong wasn't because of her skin color.
It was wrong because she was an American.
That is amazing.
That is so deep and amazing.
So say that, just do that one more time because I think that's something that people need to hear and marinate on.
Explain why the way she was treated wasn't a function of race and that's not why it was wrong.
We all need to remember that it's in America, this experiment, where all of us are equal before the law.
All of us have this right.
The error, the evil, the wrong in the case with Rosa Parks wasn't saying, we're pulling this black woman off the bus.
How dare she?
The error, the wrong, the evil was saying that we could do this to any American.
Every single one of us.
All of us as Americans deserve the right to be treated justly and appropriately.
And it doesn't matter if it's 1950.
It doesn't matter if it's 2021.
It doesn't matter if you're a man.
It doesn't matter if you're a woman.
What we should come together as Americans and as Americans it's wrong for us singly to be separated out and to be mistreated.
That's the problem and the solution is going to come when we remember that.
And that will, I believe, begin more and more and more.
It started a few years back when people stopped checking the box.
They were asked, what's your race?
Yes.
And they stopped checking that.
I encourage more and more people, stop checking the box.
I'm not the box.
I'm the American.
Yeah, that's beautiful.
That's so powerful.
And I'm going to start today.
I'm not going to tick that box, Hispanic, not Hispanic, white or black.
We are all Americans.
Horace, we're running out of time.
It's so sad.
We've got to do this again and again and again.
You enlighten me.
You help me look at things in a different way.
Just that way of looking at Rosa Parks is worth the discussion today and hopefully for our millions of listeners as well.
Last couple of questions.
Black Lives Matter.
What should all Americans understand about Black Lives Matter?
And where does it fit into America organically?
Is it some big plot of the Democrat Party?
Is it just another race hustle, ethno-business hustle from a new generation of Al Sharptons?
Or is it truly something organic that is headless like an amoeba?
Where does it fit in and what should all Americans, irrespective of their melanin levels, think of this thing?
I consider the movement behind BLM not a real estate investment vehicle to ensure that the founders can get homes worth multiple millions, but instead the analog to the militant wing of the DNC.
For the latter part of the 19th century and for the early parts of the 20th century, the Ku Klux Klan operated to make sure that all Americans remembered the messaging.
The importance of separation.
The importance of we can get you wherever you are.
We can stop that job.
We can prevent that opportunity.
Black Lives Matter is working with corporations.
It is working with the media.
It is working with the academy.
It works with government.
The sad thing about the BLM movement is it is able to do out in the open what the Klan had to do secretly.
That danger is something that I hope that we start seeing a pushback.
I want to start seeing, and I hope that we start seeing, companies have to apologize for being willing to associate with racial separatists like the Black Lives Matter movement.
I'm hoping that media explains its advocacy for these groups and also that government, where it has been supportive, where it has been sympathetic, ultimately has to become accountable for it.
Well, we have to try and make that happen.
That would be a beautiful thing.
Last question for you, Horace Cooper.
I'd like to ask some practical advice from our guests at the end of our one-on-one discussions.
What is it that people aren't doing enough of?
What should people be concentrating on?
You talked about how Grandma Johnson emphasized to you the importance to read and educate.
I always tell people, put the bloody phone down and read a real book, preferably one that was written over a hundred years ago, at least for an hour a day.
What is your general advice to all Americans listening, something they could do or should do that they're not?
We have allowed the woke mindset to really infuse our culture.
And I would really recommend something that my parents did when I was 6, 7, 8, even as late as 13.
We went on a road trip for summer vacation.
Now, mostly we went on a road trip because we couldn't afford to fly places, but it didn't mean we couldn't go long distances.
And so, we went to the Redwood Forest in California.
We went to the Grand Canyon in Arizona.
We went to various amazing places that let us see and learn about real America.
And we got to see other Americans while we were there.
I would recommend that people go to South Dakota.
There is so much that we can see and do with Americans.
You look around and what you see while standing in front of an awesome monument is that there are other Americans that are there as well.
Don't be stymied by what the woke culture is doing and saying.
Get out!
Drive around, spend some time together, and really see America.
You can't help but marvel when you do that.
Let me just that.
What a one.
I mean, you're a real national treasure, Horace.
For those who haven't seen the amazing documentary about Clarence Thomas, the most shocking thing of all is the last three minutes when you find out that a Supreme Court justice, a legend in America, spends his summers driving an RV around America from RV campsite to RV campsite.
I think probably for the same reason that Horace's parents took him and his Siblings across America.
That's a great connection to end on.
God bless you, Horace.
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