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Aug. 26, 2021 - Sebastian Gorka
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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: American servicemen killed in Kabul
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We'll be right back.
stating news to report.
We've just learned that the death toll for U.S.
service members has risen.
We can report at this time that at least 10 U.S.
service members, Marines and soldiers, have been killed in that bombing outside Abbey Gate, the suicide bombing attack that occurred this morning outside Abbey Gate at the airport in Kabul.
Every minute it changes.
First, it was one explosion.
Then it was two explosions.
First, it was three Marines injured inside the wire.
And Afghans, at least a dozen killed, including children, who were waiting outside the wire.
The latest we have at this time, at 3.07 Eastern Time, is we have almost a dozen dead.
U.S.
servicemen, ten marines, and it sounds like a naval corpsman.
I have one reaction.
As an American, as a former official in the last administration that had to face down the jihadi threat across the world, From ISIS to Al-Qaeda, to the groups the Taliban harboured.
These deaths, yes, it may be ISIS, Khorasan, maybe some wing of the Taliban.
It doesn't matter who detonated themselves or who exploded those devices.
Today's deaths must be laying at the feet of one man.
One man who in the last two weeks has blamed everybody else except himself.
A man who has come back from his vacation to give a 20-minute speech, take no questions and then fly back to Camp David.
A man who has blamed our allies.
A man who has blamed the Afghan government and the Afghan army For the fall of Kabul, for the fall of regime that we had invested 60 million dollars in every single day for the last 20 years.
The most horrific aspect of this all, in terms of historic anti-poetry, is that we are just days away, literally days away, my friends, from the 20th anniversary Of the deadliest terror attacks in modern times, from September the 11th.
An event that changed history.
An event that was orchestrated from the territory of Afghanistan.
From jihadis who were protected, who were welcomed, who were... Let's just say, given every assistance possible.
By the people who have now taken over our embassy.
Who have now taken over the most significant military asset of the whole region.
The Bagram Airfield.
That I've been to.
And the man who is responsible is Joseph Robinette Biden.
The man who calls himself President, the man who calls himself the Commander-in-Chief, the man who is not only corrupt to the core of his dark, dank soul, but a man who is also stupid.
A man who his own fellow cabinet members have described is an individual who for 40 years wasn't right about one foreign policy issue.
Yes, that's Robert Gates, former Obama-era director of the CIA and Defense Secretary, career bureaucrat, not a politician, who said there is not a foreign policy issue of the last four decades that Biden wasn't on the wrong side of.
You read the accounts, the declassified accounts of those days and final hours when our brave operators located the architect of the September 11th attacks in a barricaded complex a mile and a half from the Pakistani West Point in Abbottabad.
When we, through the good offices of a local asset, a local Pakistani doctor, were able to genetically confirm the identity of Bin Laden hiding in that compound, there was a decision to be taken.
Yes, he's hiding now in Pakistan.
Would we secretly deploy our special operators, our SEAL team warfighters, to bring justice To that mass-murdering scumbag.
And strangely, perversely, a kind of indicator of what the elite and who the Democrats are today, the then Commander-in-Chief, a man who hates America, maybe as much as he hates himself, Barack Obama decided to hold a vote
On whether or not to kill the architect of the murder of 3,000 Americans on U.S.
soil in New York, in Washington, D.C., and in a lonely field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
Instead of being a leader and saying, yeah, really, in this case, the buck stops with me.
That narcissist.
Called for a vote of his cabinet.
Shockingly, Obama asked his cabinet, should we or should we not kill Bin Laden?
And who dissented?
Who raised his veiny, liver-spotted hand, squinting through his stretched eyelids like some lizard?
Peering from under his hair plugs, some fossil of the political swamp who's been in DC for 47 years, Joe Biden.
Joe Biden said, no, it's not a good idea to bring justice to the man who killed thousands of Americans on that bright, sunny, Cloudless Tuesday morning.
That all of us who were alive then, and of a certain age, will never forget.
This is the man who has bent the knee.
Not to just Black Lives Matter and Antifa and the radicals in his own party like AOC and Bernie Sanders.
He has knelt with both knees in front of the Taliban.
We've deserted not only our embassy and our airfield, but the thousands of Americans who are still trapped in that country.
The deaths of those Marines, the deaths of that naval medic, are on your hands, Joe Biden.
You filthy putrid excuse for a man.
The only legacy you will ever have is to have surrendered to the Jihadists who want to kill all of us.
That is who you are.
The issue now is not your senility.
Not your political radicalism.
The issue is your cowardice and your culpability.
I'm Sebastian Gorka, immigrant to this nation, former strategist to President Trump.
And this is America First.
Oh, mic's on.
My bad.
Not the best out.
What's up?
Not the best out, sorry.
He hasn't even tweeted yet, let alone spoke about this.
Biden?
Yeah, I can't believe they didn't even do anything for his account.
Nothing.
Goodness gracious.
Who's next?
Boyle.
Boyle, yep.
Boyle interviewed Trump, by the way, last week.
We're coming in with American Finance disclaimer, and you wanted to do food here.
Yep.
Go.
Can I hear... Yes?
Go ahead.
Hang on.
Hey, just remember we're live on Rumble during the commercial break, alright?
Alright, hang on.
I'll probably use Stuart Varney after I do Food for the Poor.
Stuart Varney, got it.
13.
13.
Oh wait, that's the one, Jeff, did you fix cut 13?
Stuart Varney, Tom Holman.
Do you want to hear Food for the Poor?
We don't have that one yet.
What are you talking about?
Stuart Varney also isn't?
Whichever one, hang on.
I don't think we have... Yeah, okay, I don't think we have that one yet.
Whatever's on Fox Business.
Whatever's Fox Business cut.
Yeah, if Stewart Varney's Fox Business, is there a problem with it?
Yeah, Fox Business footage always scoops up.
No, it's not.
I did that one correct.
Check it.
Which one?
Just play 13.
13.
I don't have it.
Hang on.
Cut 13 is Anderson Cooper.
It's listed as Anderson Cooper.
No, it's not.
Remember I told you to change it.
Anderson Cooper is 16.
Where is it, Geoff?
You have to show me where it is, because I can't see it here.
Keep going down.
Did you say something, John?
Right there.
Oh, do you want to hear the food for the poor audio?
No, I'm not going to use it.
Okay.
It still doesn't work, Jeff. Jeff.
Even as a movie?
It still does not work.
Do you want me to bring Boyle up?
Uh, hang on, I gotta choose a cut.
Okay.
Um... Bill Hammer, what's Bill Hammer 15?
Bill Hammer 15, um... We're hearing about an explosion that has just taken place at the airport in Kabul.
There we go.
We're hearing about an explosion that has just taken place at the airport in Kabul.
This is the warning we were getting late last night and overnight.
Okay, that's good.
That's good.
That's fine.
Alright, I'll use that after food for the poor.
Matt?
Can you hear me?
Yes.
So, can you say that you met with him and that you interviewed him?
Yeah, absolutely.
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
And then we're going to be putting out stories soon, so.
Okay, good.
I would already have them out, but with all the news, I wanted to hold it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Good.
Alright.
Yep.
Alright, stand by.
Standing by. Standing by.
Standing by.
Okay, so what do we do?
What can we do?
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This is, of course, Fox News' Bill Hemmer, Cut 15.
We're hearing about an explosion that has just taken place at the airport in Kabul.
This was the warning we were getting late last night and overnight.
And Admiral John Kirby sending out a tweet a moment ago.
I'm just going to read it off the screen.
We can confirm an explosion at the airport.
Casualties are not clear at this time.
We'll provide additional details when we can.
There were concerns about a terror group known as ISIS-K.
The K stands for Khorasan.
The tragic thing is he's right, Billy's right.
This was predicted in the last 24 hours.
ISIS-K would execute some kind of attack.
An attack occurred.
between the Taliban and between ISIS-K for some time.
They are competing parties to the Islamic terrorists.
The tragic thing is he's right, Billy's right.
This was predicted in the last 24 hours.
ISIS-K would execute some kind of attack and attack occurred.
We don't have them claiming responsibility, but at least 13 U.S.
servicemen are now dead.
Let's turn to the political editor for Breitbart.com, a very loyal friend of the show, Matt Boyle.
Are you hearing anything?
Give us any updates.
What is the GOP responding?
Are you hearing anything out of the White House?
My production team have said the president, the man who calls himself president, hasn't tweeted.
Nobody's made any statements.
What's the latest that you're hearing?
Well, yeah, Joe Biden's in hiding because he knows that he's personally responsible for all of those Marines and other Americans and all the other lives that were lost in this tragic terrorist attack.
This is Joe Biden's fault.
I mean, it's almost as if he pulled the suicide vest trigger himself.
This is entirely avoidable.
If Joe Biden had, as many Republicans had called for as recently as last week, He stepped aside and moved out of the way and resigned his position in disgrace as he should have a week ago, two weeks ago.
This wouldn't have happened if Joe Biden wasn't president.
This wouldn't have happened.
This is entirely his fault, and it's entirely because of his failed strategy for withdrawing from Afghanistan.
Now, I spent, Dr. Gorka, as we kind of hinted last week when I was with you, I spent two hours last night with President Trump in Bedminster.
So I'm in Bedminster, northern New Jersey right now.
And so I did a big interview with him.
This was obviously the interviews before this horrific attack.
And so we've got stories in the works and forthcoming from the interview.
But this attack obviously has taken over the news cycle.
It's just totally awful and horrific.
Abominable.
But again, the whole point here is that we were going to be withdrawing from Afghanistan.
Everybody knows that, right?
But this didn't need to be this way.
And that's one of the things that President Trump really laid out in this interview really clearly.
And so I hope that people will read it and see it when it comes out, because President Trump made clear that there was a much better way to withdraw from Afghanistan.
Biden's lies and complete failure over the last several weeks have demonstrated his incompetence and his failed withdrawal strategy.
This was very common sense.
One of the things that President Trump talked about last night with me was one of the similar points he made in a rally in Alabama last weekend where he said, "Look, I asked a five-year-old, You get the troops out first and the equipment, or you get the civilians out first and the equipment, then you get the troops out.
And a five-year-old even understands this.
And Joe Biden doesn't understand it.
And Biden's just continued to be defiant.
And he refuses to fire anybody.
He refuses to hold anyone accountable.
But let's stop there, Matt.
Is he refusing to do anything?
Or is the White House being run by Susan Rice, and she's not doing anything?
Well, that was another question I asked President Trump.
I asked him who's really in charge.
I asked him if Joe Biden is really the commander-in-chief, and, you know, he had a really interesting answer.
So I look forward to people seeing that, right?
Like, he wouldn't say that Joe Biden's really in charge.
It doesn't look like Joe Biden's in charge in the White House.
And this is the whole point of our system, right?
Like, the reason why we have a newly elected president, the reason why we have a chain of command, The reason why the president has certain powers enumerated in the Constitution is so that way there is an accountability, a line of accountability for things like this, right?
Like, this is when you need to have a commander-in-chief who's clear, a clear chain of command, a command and control structure, so that there is accountability and that there's swift action.
This is when it matters, is in moments like this, and it's really sad because You know, the poor families of these American, fallen Americans, I think there's... I don't have the exact details, Dr. Gordy.
I think it's 11 Marines and... Yes, 10 Marines and one Naval.
Yep, yep, Corman.
Yeah, and so these poor families of these folks... By the way, it's the deadliest attack in a decade, I think, right?
I don't think we've lost this many American soldiers since 2011 or 2012 or something like that.
Um, but again, the poor families of these folks are, uh, you know, they didn't need to lose a loved one when the holidays come around and at the Thanksgiving dinner table, you know, their, their father or mother, I don't know the identities of these fallen Americans today.
Uh, but, uh, uh, when their father or mother is in fact, uh, they can thank Joe Biden for that.
It's his fault.
It's Joe Biden's fault.
He's responsible for these deaths and this didn't need to happen.
It didn't need to be this way.
If Joe Biden had just done the withdrawal in a smart way, these Americans would still be alive today.
It's just awful, Dr. Gorka.
It really is.
President Trump told me last night that this is the most embarrassing moment in the history of the United States.
We're going to play some clips for those who missed our more than half an hour long interview with President Trump yesterday here on America First.
We discussed all of these issues.
We are waiting with bated breath for Matt Boyle's interview with President Trump to be published.
We'll be back with Matt momentarily.
In the meantime, make sure you bookmark Breitbart.com.
Check it morning and evening.
Check out Matt's articles.
It's a sad, it's a tragic day, but we're going to keep on going here on America First.
Are you going to take calls?
Are you going to take calls?
Uh, sure.
Okay, cut to...
Did Lovell confirm?
Yes.
Okay, great.
Who's the third hour?
It's Boykin, right?
Yes.
- Yes. - Did we put that in the tweet? - Uh... - You wanna hear a cut too?
Yes.
You know, you talk about the greatest military, but take a look at what happened in Afghanistan.
I mean, we beat the Nazis, but look at this.
We're being sent out of Afghanistan.
And frankly, the August 31st aid is not being lengthened because they're not allowing him to do it.
It's not because of him.
It's because they're not allowing him any more time.
Whoever thought this was possible.
Come in with that.
Coming in with Cut 2.
- Cut to, got it. - He, Matt? Matt?
He was in a really good mood with us yesterday.
How was he with you?
Yeah, same.
We really talked about a lot of stuff.
We just kept rolling.
It was funny because the comms guys were like, oh, OK, let's wrap it up around 45 minutes in.
And then he's like, no, no, let's keep going.
It's Matty.
It's Matty!
Yeah.
Did you see Dan?
We talked about a whole ton of stuff.
Dan wasn't there.
It was Taylor.
Taylor was there.
I don't know how well you know Taylor.
Taylor rocks.
She's the man.
Who's Taylor?
Taylor Brutowich.
She's the new guy.
He's the con director.
Oh no, I didn't know that.
Yep.
Taylor is the best.
But, yeah, he's in very good spirits.
He didn't say it explicitly because I don't think he can for campaign purposes, but I'm pretty sure he's running again.
You know he's running, man.
Oh, of course he is.
What are the reasons?
How does it affect him if he declares?
Does it limit the things he can spend the money on?
Yeah, and it limits what he can fundraise and what he can say.
Good!
You know, in certain things, you know, you know what I'm saying?
Right.
Like for certain things in many eyes, certain legal limitations and whatever.
So, I mean, I'm sure it'll happen after the midterms.
Right.
Like, so.
And by the way, he was very vicious on establishment Republicans.
So get ready for that.
That's good.
That's good.
Good, good, good.
So it reminded me a lot of Trump circa 2014 or 15.
Like, he's very much in his element, right?
Like, you know?
Yeah, he was in a very good mood yesterday.
All right, we got 30 seconds.
Coming in with cut 2.
Okay.
Standby.
Standing by. Standing
by. Standing by.
You know, you talk about the greatest military, but take a look at what happened in Afghanistan.
I mean, we beat the Nazis, but look at this, we're being sent out of Afghanistan.
And frankly, the August 31st aid is not being lengthened because they're not allowing him to do it.
It's not because of him.
It's because they're not allowing him any more time.
Whoever thought this was possible?
So with this woke culture, our military is going to be a loser and the whole country is going to be a loser.
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We are back with Washington political editor for Breitbart.com, Matt Boyle.
I'm seeing a lot of stuff.
I don't want to turn today into something overtly political.
But a lot of people are texting me, DMing me, where's the GOP?
What's the GOP going to do?
We can't force people to resign with a system of checks and balances.
As Barack Obama said, elections have consequences.
What is the right thing for an opposition party to do right now?
What do you think that the MAGA base is expecting, the people who voted for Donald Trump?
Well, look, I think that, and by the way, this goes far beyond Trump voters.
I think every American out there is horrified watching what they're seeing, right?
Whether they voted for Trump, they voted for Biden, or they voted for some other random person, right?
Like, so, I don't think that this is, you know, specific to Trump supporters.
I think that every American is horrified seeing what President Biden has unleashed in the Middle East with this failed withdrawal from Afghanistan.
So I think that what the Republicans, look, they are limited by the fact that they are in the minority.
So they only have certain tools available.
So it's not like they can just go and impeach Biden today, right?
They don't have the votes for that unless they were able to convince a number of Democrats.
They'd have to convince three or four in the House and 17 in the Senate to join them to be able to impeach and convict and remove Biden from office.
Realistically not going to happen.
So what they can do, however, is they can push on for answers to certain questions.
They do have the ability because they have access to certain briefings.
And you hear questions from certain members of Congress that they have to ask more questions.
They have to demand documents.
They have to demand evidence.
They have to try to compile evidence against Joe Biden.
So that if and when they are in the majority down the road in 2022 after the midterm elections, then they can use the powers of the majority, which will give them more.
But again, getting over that impeachment hump, which we saw, by the way, with Trump when he went through both of his impeachments, is a very difficult thing to succeed at.
Let me ask you this, Matt, because I'm kind of conflicted on this and I'm curious where you stand.
You had one Democrat, one Republican before the attack, the deadly attack today, fly into theater on their private kind of fact-finding mission.
A lot of them getting flack from both McCarthy and Nancy Pelosi.
I see, you know, their argument was it's our job to do our oversight and we wanted to see for ourselves.
What do you think of Moulton and the other congressmen flying to Kabul yesterday?
I'm conflicted on it because I understand why they were doing it and so on, but I also understand why it would be a safety risk.
I think there's other ways that members can do what these guys are trying to do.
It felt kind of stunty.
That felt kind of like a stunt from these guys.
But I do think that there's things that certain members are doing.
You're seeing this from people like Claudia Tenney and Lee Zeldin in New York are kind of leading the way.
A lot from the minority in the House.
They need to use their voices.
We need to hear from all these Republicans.
They need to be out there.
They need to be loud.
That's one tool that they have.
They need to demand documents.
They need to be fighting for information and then releasing it to the public.
And then they can use their voice and their platforms to hold these guys accountable.
But again, being from the minority, there's only so much they can do.
Yeah, I like this way of thinking it.
It's very strategic, Matt.
They're in the minority, but that means you collect the evidence now that can be used against Biden and his cabinet should the power relation change.
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Washington Political Editor, I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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Was the result of a complex attack that resulted in a number of U.S. and and civilian casualties.
We could also confirm at least one other explosion at or near the Baron Hotel, a short distance from the Abbey Gate at the airport.
Okay.
I will tee that up after I do American financing.
John?
Hey, that video was superb.
Ah, thank you, sir.
So, have you posted another one?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, excellent.
Thank you for squeezing us in.
For sure.
Now, you were Ranger school, but were you QCORS as well?
25 seconds.
QCORS is Special Forces.
I was an Army Ranger, which meant I was at Ranger Battalion and I also did Ranger school.
Got it.
But special operations, not special forces.
Got it.
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It's hard to keep track of of the latest reports.
Here's our good friend, Stuart Varney, Fox Business, Cut13.
From the Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby, he tweeted this.
We can confirm that the explosion at the Abbey Gate was the result of a complex attack that resulted in a number of US and civilian casualties.
We can also confirm at least one other explosion at or near the Baron Hotel, a short distance from the Abbey Gate at the airport.
Classic jihadi tactics, multiple detonations, latest reports at least 11 servicemen killed at the perimeter of the airbase, the Karzai International Airport.
I want to bring in somebody who knows what it's like to be in theater wearing the cloth of the Republic, former Special Operator The founder of the Warrior Poet Society, a great American, a good friend of America First, John Lovell.
Welcome back to the Salem Radio Network.
Dr. Gorka, thanks for having me on.
Always a pleasure.
Now you've just squeezed us in.
I called you last minute.
You've just dropped another superb video.
I called you because you did a very short video on your platform talking about what it means, before the attack, what it means to surrender Bagram, surrender our embassy, and take orders from the Taliban.
Utterly strategic.
So concise, so clear.
Will you share some of those preliminary observations before I ask you to react to the news of the last few hours?
Sure.
There are many consequences.
Some of them are worse in the short term.
Some are very bad in the long term.
In my video, I enumerated five.
The first was 20 years, trillions of dollars American lives spent over two decades.
to get us where we are utterly undone presumably by what the Biden administration has led us to as Afghanistan has just fallen.
That's a lot of work that looks like it's gone down the tubes.
Number two is this is costing lives.
Afghanistan lives, U.S.
service member lives.
That is a very bad thing and I think it is just starting to tune up.
Number three, we've emboldened the Taliban so they are on the offensive now.
We were They're hiding in caves for decades and now they are aggressive, commanding us to exit their country.
Number four, we've armed our enemies with hundreds of thousands of sophisticated weapons, night vision capability, aircraft, millions of dollars of drones.
This is a nightmare.
These weapons will absolutely be killing U.S.
and allied forces as well as civilians.
We've armed them with the most sophisticated weaponry known to man.
And five, this is the worst one long term.
We look weak on the world stage and we are basically handing global keys to China and other threats as the U.S. is not being taken seriously as much anymore, like we've lost our stomach.
So I can't confirm this.
My producer Jeff has texted me there are now reports, unconfirmed reports, of a third attack.
When you're in theatre with your background, what is going through your mind?
Is this, how does this change the operational tempo Great, you can either play offense or defense, and that's what it comes down to.
Do they accelerate?
Do they expand the perimeter to try and prevent the next attack?
What are the kinds of things that we'll be going through at a tactical level, the minds of your buddies, your former colleagues, who are in theatre right now, John?
Great.
You can either play offense or defense, and that's what it comes down to.
Right now, with personnel leaving in droves and our basic perimeter collapsing upon itself, If you want to play defense at these final hours, that is a really bad thing.
What we need to do is get back in there and kick some Taliban's tail.
We need to decimate them.
We need to absolutely annihilate them right now.
And I don't think we have the, I don't know, 14 centuries of fighting some of these warmongering Islamist terrorist war, you know, Warriors, this is what you do.
You hit them hard.
It's the only thing they respect.
It's the only thing they're responsive.
And the expectation, what is their response?
I think they're a paper tiger.
I think they're emboldened by the way that this administration has given in to their demands.
This is the time to strike, is it not?
And just to see how fragile or not this new regime is.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, we've had them on the run for decades, hiding in caves, and it's not until we start pulling out that they proudly pop up, and then they start bullying and slaughtering and pillaging, and that's what they've always done.
We've got to hit them hard now.
Lastly, we're talking to the founder of the Warrior Poet Society, warriorpoetsociety.us.
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John, what is your message to all your brothers from the rangers, from the SAF community who fought for this cursed piece of land for the last 20 years and are witnessing the images today from Afghanistan?
It's okay to be angry.
It's okay to grieve.
But remember, the endgame is not done yet, and we will keep fighting for our country in the war of ideas.
We'll also be ready to be courageous and use our minds and whatever we can to continue the great fight for freedom.
Where can they watch your latest analysis, your latest video, John?
Check us out on YouTube.
Just look up Warrior Poet Society.
We just released another video on this topic specifically.
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I'm going to watch it as soon as I'm off air today.
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I can't remember who I sent it to.
I think it's Damien.
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Do we have any callers, gentlemen?
Hello?
Do I have...
Okay, so let's go down the list.
Who's number one?
Randy.
Welcome to America First, Randy.
Hey, good afternoon.
Thank God for conservative radio.
I have a couple of points I'd like to bring up on this laissez-faire immigration policy that we seem to be going through.
It seems like with the open border and now with these airlifts from Afghanistan and everybody being unvetted, That it's almost like the administration is pre-sanctioning terror attacks in the United States.
And with that in mind, I think where they and everybody else that is not on our team here understand that when there's going to be a terrorist attack, it's like if somebody decides to attack my house and they identify my house as one they want to go to, they're not going to come on the door and ask me what my socioeconomic background is, what political party I am.
Yeah.
and anything else.
They're just gonna do what they wanna do, and it's the same thing with the terrorists.
They're not gonna worry about whether your black lives matter.
They're not gonna worry about whether you're a Christian and Jew or atheist or anything else.
So I just think that people need to be aware that everybody's gonna be a suspect, and nobody's gonna be exempt from this once it decides to happen here.
Randy, top of the hour.
We're talking to Sheriff Lamb, who's going to talk exactly about this issue and how the terrorists will exploit our open southern border.
But you're right.
Once they're here, they're not going to care who you voted for because they want to kill you if you're an American.
Let's go to Eric in Florida.
Eric, welcome to America First.
Good afternoon, Sebastian.
Hey.
I guess my biggest concern is, me as just a basic, normal American, when I see Joe Biden, there is no way that he could be in control.
It's like the movie, you know, Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead, and his entire administration is holding him up like a puppet.
I mean, he couldn't move a sock from one end of the Oval Office to the other if it was stuck on his foot.
Yeah, as somebody tweeted out yesterday, you wouldn't trust this guy to drive himself to the CVS to pick up his prescriptions.
And this is the guy who calls himself president.
How can we continue?
I know you don't want to bring it political, but it's so dangerous right now that he's so glazed over and leading our country that one side or the other has got to step in.
And make some sort of a change.
I mean, you know, I hate to say, but the question is, do they care?
Right.
We're going to talk about the culture of the elite with a very special guest tomorrow.
We're going to talk with Lee Smith.
And the only thing you care about is yourself.
And the Washington Post saying nice things about you.
Then why would you make a difference?
Why would you accept responsibility for what is happening?
It's just not in their DNA.
They can't do it.
God bless you for your cause, guys.
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Updates are coming in every, every minute.
At the moment we know at least 10 Marines have been killed by a bomb attack, a double bomb attack outside the Kabul International Airport.
And one, it sounds like a naval corpsman was also killed.
We will give you any updates as soon as we get them.
It's a tragic day.
It needn't have happened.
And in addition to the threat posed to our servicemen and women in theater right now, there is the question of what happens here in the United States.
A good friend of the show is former acting director of ICE, Tom Homan, who had this to say about their more than Well, it's 90,000.
90,000 quote-unquote refugees who have been flown out of Kabul in just the last week.
Cut 10!
We already know the special immigrant visas between January and March The State Department denied 84% of them.
84% were denied because they had time to vet them.
They had time to look for derogatory information in various databases, including DOD.
Now they're in a rush to load up planes and get people out of there.
The administration's looking bad because they haven't removed enough people.
So right now it's, fill the planes up, we'll do very little vetting, and we'll handle it in the United States.
This is extremely dangerous for our national security.
There are going to be people coming to this country that haven't been properly vetted.
And the advocates are going to be looking for them to get released and not be detained.
This is a very dangerous situation for the United States right now, and the Biden administration is not paying attention.
This is a very, very dangerous time for America.
Let's talk to somebody who's trying to keep us safe, actually, from the people exploiting our immigration system, especially those coming across our open southern border.
A good friend of America First, he's the sheriff for Pinal County in Arizona.
Sheriff Mark Lamb, welcome back to the Salem Radio Network.
Thank you, Sebastian.
My heart goes out to the soldiers over there in Afghanistan.
Sheriff Lamb, I think we're losing you.
I think your earbuds are breaking off on the Wi-Fi.
Can you just talk to us directly through your microphone so we can continue the conversation?
Yes, I'm on the site.
Maybe I can go to the earbuds.
Uh, yeah, that might be an option, because I want to know what's happening exactly where you are.
You took time to take me, Jeff, my producer, to the border to show us how the... Are you there?
Yes, gotcha.
How's that?
Perfect.
Yes, excellent.
You showed us, no worries, you showed us the signs, the evidence of the smuggling when we were down there.
Tell us how the events of just the last eight days impact what you're trying to do.
We've already had analyses that Afghans are going to exploit the southern route.
Have you seen anything or what are you preparing for, Sheriff Lamb?
You know, we always prepare for this.
We've known that there's people from Middle East countries, which they call high interest countries, which would be Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran.
I talked to the sheriff in Yuma County and he told me they've had 17 that have come through the Yuma sector this year alone from those high interest countries.
There's been people from 97 different countries coming in through these borders.
And so this is of high interest to always, but now with what's happening in Afghanistan, we are very concerned about this.
You know why?
Because we have a presidency that failed to secure our southern border from those coming from the South American countries and other countries.
Why would I have any faith that they can protect us from those coming from these high interest countries where terrorism, where they breed terrorism?
So how does it work now?
Explain to our millions of listeners and viewers right now that since the Biden administration came in, the feds have had their hands tied when you catch illegal immigrants unless they have a federal record for some kind of felony.
You can't do anything about it.
Yesterday, the Supreme Court brought a landmark decision that seems to put the stay in Mexico policy back in place.
Is anything going to change?
Do you have any expectation that given the disaster in Afghanistan, the terrorist attack against our troops, can you expect any better cooperation from your federal brothers?
Sadly, Sebastian, the answer to that is no.
Our brothers and sisters on the ground, those men and women of ICE and Border Patrol, yes, they do their job.
They're willing and ready.
But the Washington, D.C., the bureaucrats, the people that are pushing bad policies down to those folks, no, we can't trust that they're going to do their job.
And that's what's sad.
And they're going to put at risk my community, my state, and communities across America because they have opened us up to a lot of danger.
And whether they want to face it or not, it's their fault.
And we would be more than willing to come to the table and help them achieve success in securing our borders.
But unfortunately, I can't say that I'm expecting much.
Reminder for those who missed our interview with you, we had a special on border security on my Newsmax show, The Gawker Reality Check.
How many times did the last president invite you to Washington DC and was it for photo opportunities or was it to listen to you Sheriff Lamb?
I personally had been to the White House 10 times and that doesn't include the different visits that we had from Tom Holman and So you haven't been back to the White House since Biden was sworn in?
who took their job seriously and who wanted to protect the American people.
This is a completely different administration.
They turned that communication line off on January 20th.
So you haven't been back to the White House since Biden was sworn in?
I haven't been back to the White House, nor have I talked to anybody of consequence from Border Patrol or ICE other than our direct sector chiefs from the Tucson sector and Yuma sector.
I have not been in contact with anybody from Washington, D.C., asking us what we can do better or what they can do better to help us solve this problem and keep our community safe. - Thank you.
Find out what this man and his brave colleagues are doing at protectamericanow.com.
That's protectamericanow.com.
Sheriff, let's just do a whiteboard exercise.
Who knows, maybe the tragedy in Afghanistan changes everything.
The loss of American servicemen's lives changes everything.
What needs to happen yesterday?
What needs to happen now?
Not just for you and Arizona, but for all of the Sheriff's Departments across the border.
What needs to happen in D.C.
today?
An immediate and hard closure of all border ports and entry points.
And we need to beef up, not only the Sheriff's Office, ask your Sheriffs for help.
Ask local law enforcement for help.
And let's work alongside Border Patrol and ICE to ensure that we have an immediate closure of the border.
And let's begin to address the immigration issue that we have at hand, the problem that they've already allowed to permeate this country.
Let's stop the drug flow.
But more than anything right now, until this issue is resolved in the Middle East, Afghanistan, we need to ensure that we know exactly who is coming to this country.
And that means that nobody comes in unless we know.
And why does this matter, not just to the people of the border states?
Why is this for every citizen of every state in the nation, Sheriff Lamb?
Well, it's because they don't stay here.
You know, the cartel, when they bring this product, and when I talk about product, I'm talking about human beings.
That's how they view it.
They have no regard for human life.
So their product is human beings and drugs into this country.
Dangerous drugs like methamphetamine and fentanyl.
And their job is to spread it throughout America.
They get a lot more money for it in Chicago.
Then they do here in Arizona.
So they want to spread those people and the drugs all across America.
For one, so that the American people don't realize the crisis at hand.
Because they're just putting a small amount of people in every city across America.
And so that's why this is important to everybody.
And that's why sheriffs are rallying together.
You mentioned Protect America Now.
We're coming together to stand up for the rule of law, to fight against bad policies like what we're seeing on the border, and to protect the constitutional rights of the people.
And so check it out at protectamericanow.com.
But we all know it's a problem.
That's why we're standing together.
In the last minute we have with you, Sheriff, what can average citizens, whether they're in Arizona or anywhere in America, is there anything they can do to help you and your deputies?
Or is it just wait until the next election?
No, you can do stuff.
Some of it is contributing money to good organizations that are fighting for the right causes.
Getting involved in your local politics, even on a state political level.
Hand out flyers.
Be vocal to those elected officials that already represent you.
Make sure that they have your best interests in mind and that they are trying to protect you and create a better life for you.
What we're currently seeing is unacceptable from the elected officials we've sent back, not only to our states, but to Washington.
It is unacceptable, and this is America, so how do you change it?
You get engaged politically yourselves, like this man did.
I don't think he had plans to be a sheriff.
He was a successful small businessman, but he saw a problem.
He wanted to fix it, and he's there talking to us.
From his very cool patrol car that I've been riding in with him, because that's who he is.
Protecting not only the citizens of America and Arizona, but every single one of us who cares for this republic.
God bless you.
Follow him, Sheriff Mark Lamb 1 on Twitter and protectamericanow.com.
That's protectamericanow.com.
I'm Sebastian Gawker, former strategist to President Trump.
This is the Salem Radio Network and you're listening to America First.
That was cool.
I think we should always have you from your truck.
I love it.
Let's do it.
Hey, and sorry about the sound issue.
I thought my ear pods were in, and then I thought I was working on the phone, and so... It was just cutting out, but afterwards it was great.
It was great.
Good.
That makes it show that it's live.
Yeah, it's definitely live.
Thanks, buddy.
Thank you.
Talk to you later.
Thanks.
Bye-bye.
Thank you.
Okay.
Alright.
So, we've got a job creator's disclaimer at the top, and food, yeah.
Hey, Jeff?
Yeah?
Are these the students that are trapped in Afghanistan?
They're from his district?
Yeah.
Wow.
Students, and I think some of their parents as well.
The story's in the rundown.
It's the Daily Wire article, yeah.
And then, what district is he?
50, California 50.
50, okay.
Was that his old district?
No, his old district was 49, I believe.
Let me confirm that.
Yep.
It was 48th, then 49th when he stepped down in 2019, and then now he is 50.
49 was like the Orange County area, and then 50 is San Diego.
So C is now open, right?
Okay, yes.
Yes. - Yes.
- Okay.
- Come in with, before I do food for the poor, come in with cut, after the disclaimer, play cut.
Cut 4.
Is that a POTUS interview?
Do you want me to open the phones?
Sure.
Um, yeah, sure.
America First, hold please.
Um, title for that one?
Um... America First, hold please.
How you can help protect America, or something like that?
Um, I know Afghanistan.
All right, hang on.
Afghans coming through the southern border.
America First, what's your name?
Copy that.
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America First, hold please.
All right, where are you calling from?
All right, what state's that?
Alright, what do you want to say?
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Hi, what's your name?
All right, where are you... Okay, where are you calling from?
All right, we're one minute out.
All right, what do you want to say?
Disclaimer, then cut four.
Mm-hmm.
Hang on one second.
It is thundering like crazy out there.
Don't be afraid.
TVs are back on, though, so we can see what's happening.
Oh, yeah.
Pentagon, 12 service members killed, 15 injured.
Twelve.
Yep, twelve.
And that's not even taking into account how many civilians probably also died.
Who's the producer for Kelly's show, Jeff?
That's Dean.
Okay.
Alright, 20 seconds, standby.
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work.
We're being pushed around by them.
Biden is being dictated to by the Taliban.
It's not even possible to believe.
And ISIS is tougher than Taliban, and I wiped out 100% of the ISIS caliphate.
You know that.
You were there.
And by the way, the caliphate was building and building and building at a level that nobody's seen.
Obama and Biden lost total control.
I wiped it out.
You know, we have great generals in there, but you don't know them.
They're not the television generals.
They're the real generals.
Not the television generals, the real generals.
That was President Trump on our show yesterday.
If you missed the interview, you've got to check it out.
We had almost 40 minutes with my former boss.
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Sadly, it is now more relevant than ever.
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He is connected to the crisis in Afghanistan in a very special way.
He's a good friend of America First from the 50th Congressional District of California, Congressman Darrell Issa.
Welcome back to America First.
Well, thanks for having me on and thanks for your cover to cover.
This is an American tragedy that You have to be in your 60s to remember 1975 to see America this humiliated with a defeat that didn't have to happen and is now unraveling before us.
Tell us how it affects you specifically and the constituents in the 50th District, Congressman.
Well, the 50th District happens to be the home to a huge amount of Chaldeans, Iraqi Christians,
and afghans it's been an immigrant area for since the nineteen thirties when they first began coming uh... and as a result uh... we have generational uh... uh... roots uh... from the middle east and particularly recent immigrants from afghanistan were welcomed into this community many of them by the uh... the catholic churches here uh... particularly the middle eastern churches and so uh... unfortunately a number of them
school kids chose to go back one more time to see their family, their great grandfathers and grandfathers and so on.
And 60 of them got themselves trapped there.
And we've been with the help of some very brave men and women of the military and some other individuals that are non-government.
They've been extracting them.
We've gotten one family fully out and is on its way back to the United States, just left Germany.
So these are American children, Afghan families, went home for a family reunion.
We're trapped wherever they were and you're trying to get them back.
Can you give us a little taste, a little flavor?
How chaotic is it?
How hard is it to track down and get these children to safety, Congressman?
Well, literally this particular group, and some of them were U.S.
born, some were born in Afghanistan, but these children and their parents All were part of earlier resettlements of people that had helped us early in the war.
And they were back, as many people do.
They go for the summer.
The State Department did not know where they were.
We were able to get in touch with them through, of all things, Facebook and then using WhatsApp.
And little by little, we were able to inform the State Department where they were.
And with DOD assistance and much more DOD than State Department began the extraction process.
But it is these people are are isolated.
They're scared.
The misinformation abounds.
But also in the case of every one of these families, Taliban fighters came to the door asking questions and doing essentially a census of who are you and what are you doing?
And coming through the house and you can imagine being an 11 or 12 year old girl and having a Taliban fighter wanting to know everything about you and hoping that your your your native tongue was good enough that they wouldn't realize that you've been living in America for most or all of your life.
And that's that's some of the trauma that these kids are facing in their families.
The Taliban have made it clear they're not letting Afghans out after August 31st.
And Sebastian, I'm.
Americans are still considered Afghans if they come from there, so these people are at risk of not getting out.
Yeah.
Follow this man, Rep.
Darrell Issa on Twitter, issa.house.gov.
Can you give us your general reaction beyond what you're trying to do for your constituents trapped in Afghanistan?
Just the way this administration has handled the withdrawal from Kabul.
You know, the shortest way to put it is During the Trump administration, I saw every single time the Taliban broke that bargain that was brokered by Secretary Pompeo, they were attacked for doing it repeatedly.
And that's the reason that in January, on January 21st, the fact is that we were nowhere close to withdrawal.
We weren't going to get out in May because they hadn't kept their promises.
But since January 21st, there have been basically no reprisals for their continued affiliation with Al Qaeda and their continued breaking of it.
And that's how we got where we are.
And now, what do you expect?
What do you demand from this White House?
What should the GOP be doing?
Are you satisfied with what's happening in Washington, D.C.? ?
Well, I couldn't be more dissatisfied.
There's two things that need to happen.
We need to get our people out, as many of them safely, and of course extract the men and women of the military that are sitting in this undefendable little airport.
And then we have to remember that the people of the Northern Alliance that were with us in the 90s, they're fighting in the North, and they're still holding provinces free.
And if we abandon them, we abandon these people, then we will have committed a second terrible act.
It's one thing for the government to be corrupt and collapse, but the people who are still fighting, fighting for their freedom, deserve our support.
And we've got billions of dollars that could be given to them.
So I'll be demanding that.
Let's remember such an important point, Congressman.
These are the people when just a handful, 200 special operators and CIA paramilitaries, literally on donkey back in October of 2001, rode into the Hindu Kush.
It was 21,000 Northern Alliance that they leveraged as our partners and as our allies to not only take down the Taliban, but to destroy those al-Qaeda training camps from whence the 9-11 attack had been masterminded.
There are good guys in Afghanistan.
This is not the time to betray them.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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Okay, mic's on.
Thank you.
All right.
It says Biden soon to speak.
Oh, boy.
Wow.
Yeah.
Okay, we might want to pipe that in if he starts on time or if he starts now.
All right.
You want me to get that queued up?
What's ISIS-K?
What's the Khorasan?
That's that's the Afghan version of ISIS.
They developed a branch in Afghanistan.
It's the name of that region of eastern Afghanistan, the Khorasan.
title for ISA?
We still have allies in Afghanistan.
um Uh-huh.
Thank you.
Alright.
So then this segment is open, and then we have... The Baron.
Indeed.
So... We're doing food for the poor disclaimer at the top here, and then Patriot Mobile library to the end.
Okay, Patriot Mobile.
Call board is full, do you have any cuts you want to play, or are you just gonna do calls?
No, just send me a clip of the board.
Alright.
Jeff's doing that right now.
Okay.
If I melt on camera, then just play yesterday's interview with the president.
Copy that.
Thank you.
Why are you gonna melt?
You can't see.
I'm glad you can't see.
It is like a 412 degrees in here.
Are you serious?
Is it really that hot?
You can't notice it.
Yeah, I would not know that.
I have an air conditioner here about the size of my iPhone.
That's an air conditioner?
Has that been like that all week?
Yep.
Yep.
Wow.
Yep.
I'm going to show you how fun it is.
This is the technology I'm having to deal with.
I'm going to send you a photograph of the hardware here.
It's rather amusing.
You can tell from some of the equipment behind you that that is definitely an old studio.
Oh yeah, but wait until you see this.
Here we go.
90 seconds.
Did you see it?
Oh my goodness, that looks like the server room here at the news division.
No, it's not.
No, it's a lot worse than that.
Well, send that to Matska and tell him he needs to untangle some lines.
Tell him that's our server room, see if he notices.
I'm glad I can switch the light on in here.
Oh my goodness.
I would not want that job.
You know why that's like that?
You've got one engineer that designed it all and they can never replace it.
Right, right, they can never unplug anything.
He's the only one who knows how to fix everything.
The secret's left with him.
Oh, goodness.
All right.
All right.
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Let's go to John in Tennessee.
John, welcome to America First.
Good afternoon, sir.
Thank you very much for taking my call.
I think a lot of what's going on is actually deliberate.
I listened to the Sean Ryan podcast last week where he was interviewing the participants of Raven 23 and how they got absolutely railroaded by the government all the way up to and including then Vice President Biden.
They could not get a fair shake, they could not get a fair hearing.
So if it's all deliberate, what's the end goal?
And to there's some kind of financial gain to be gained that that they're that Biden and his family are gaining via what's happening in there right now.
Who knows?
Maybe maybe it's kickbacks from China because China is heavily now heavily involved in Afghanistan.
I don't know.
But just the corruption and the insider work that was happening in Iraq, I'm sure, transferred over to Afghanistan.
Yeah, I don't buy it.
I don't buy it.
I don't buy it.
It's garbage.
You wouldn't be hiding from the left-wing Democrat press if this were a A plan.
You wouldn't be having Democrats calling for members of the Democrat administration to be fired.
I don't buy it.
He's corrupt.
He's corrupt as hell.
But the idea that this is a plan?
No, of course it's not a plan.
He's a kratin.
He's an imbecile, he's arrogant, and he's also corrupt.
Those things can all be true at the same time.
True, I certainly agree.
He's a cretin and he's definitely corrupt.
But it just makes me wonder what more might be afoot that we don't know about right now.
Well, you know, let's be careful.
Let's stay out of conspiracy theory territory.
But I appreciate the call.
Let's go to Mary Lou, Pennsylvania.
Welcome aboard.
Hi, Sebastian.
How are you?
Angry.
Me too.
I think what we should do Yeah, who's gonna court-martial him, Mary Lou?
You mean like Mark Milley?
him over to afghanistan to live the rest of his life yeah who's who's in a court martial in mary lou i think it's time for the um for the military to step up with what happened today and you mean like mark milley you mean like mark milley oh no he's he's an idiot he won't do it well he won't but He's the chief, most senior military officer in America.
Oh, okay.
I didn't know that.
Thank you.
Tom, welcome to America First.
Thank you.
Thank you very much, Dr. Gorkin.
Thank you for your great show today.
Two quick points, if I might.
Number one, I would like to quote a great U.S.
fighting military veteran.
His name is Brett Odom, graduate of the U.S.
Naval Academy.
He's got a great piece.
In today's USA Today, Afghan retreats shameful to veterans.
I'd like to take about a half minute to quote him, and then make a comment.
No, we're not doing half minute quotes on live radio, sorry.
We don't have guests call in and read stuff.
But if you want to share your thoughts, that's fine.
Sure, let me summarize what he said.
He said, this is a disgrace.
It smears everyone who died for their country and fought for it.
We watched the president blame everybody else.
It's a feckless retreat.
We stole out of the airport Bagram in the middle of the night.
We've abandoned a generation of Afghans.
Now they've got to watch their torture and execution, stonings and beheadings of the women.
I don't think you're summarizing.
I think you're reading, but we get the message.
You're absolutely right.
It is a disgrace.
Could I say one thing, Dr. Gorka?
What I think we should do.
May I say that?
Go ahead.
Sure.
I think we ought to organize every patriot, Democrat or Republican, probably most Republicans, and they ought to go in Congress and demand that we do something immediately.
Send troops over there, take Afghanistan for a month or two or three, as long as we need to, get everyone out of there at the very least, and show the world that we're not the gutless, sap-sucking wimps I find it hard to disagree with you.
I think you're on the money.
What is the GOP doing?
What are they waiting for?
who doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself.
I find it hard to disagree with you.
I think you're on the money.
What is the GOP doing?
What are they waiting for?
It's time to save not only our reputation, but those Americans who are trapped in Afghanistan, Stay on the line, my friend.
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I liked that last call, that was good.
Unfortunately, he dropped off, so we couldn't get his info to give him a book.
All right, after JCN, I'm going to tee up Cup 4.
We have Boris here.
I know.
Oh, OK.
Cut 4.
Copy that.
OK, so yeah, we've got that.
And then we've got relief at the end.
Mm-hmm.
- Mm-hmm. - All right. - See some of those photos that John just sent?
Yeah.
What did you see?
John just sent us some more b-roll footage of Afghanistan and there's this one footage of just bodies like strewn everywhere.
Use it when we're talking with them.
Well, I don't have it ready yet.
She just sent it.
Like, I don't have it yet.
I'll try to get it as quickly as I can.
That is a mess.
Looking at all those wires.
It's like a bird's nest.
This is shit.
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Yeah, I have that ready to send to you after.
How much time we got?
We got a minute 20.
All right, we'll do this at the top.
Okay.
So are we coming in with anything?
No.
Okay.
I'll do the read and then I'll tee up cut four and then we'll go to Boris.
Sounds good. - All right.
Okay.
So read and then tee up cut.
You said cut three?
All right, we got 20 seconds.
Four.
Four.
Yes, sorry.
Trying to remember which of these trump cuts we've already played.
Are you on your speakerphone or Bluetooth?
All right.
We got 20 seconds.
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He was with us for 40 minutes yesterday, my old boss, President Trump, and he had a few things to say about how you deal with jihadis like Al-Qaeda, ISIS, and the Taliban.
Cut for...
We're being pushed around by them.
Biden is being dictated to by the Taliban.
It's not even possible to believe.
And ISIS is tougher than Taliban, and I wiped out 100% of the ISIS caliphate.
You know that.
You were there.
And by the way, the caliphate was building and building and building at a level that nobody's seen.
Obama and Biden lost total control.
I wiped it out.
You know, we have great generals in there, but you don't know them.
They're not the television generals.
They're the real generals.
Somebody else who worked for President Trump was in the building with me.
A very good friend, a great patriot, a loyal supporter of America First.
We call him the Baron Boris Epstein.
I gotta ask you, buddy.
We knew it was gonna be bad, but did you expect it was going to be this bad?
Sebastian, so good to be with you.
I was afraid it was going to be this bad.
And we absolutely predicted it.
And we screamed from the mountaintops, from the mountaintops, saying that you cannot elect this feeble, pathetic man president, Joe Biden.
And if he becomes president, then America and Americans are going to struggle.
And today, on this terrible day, when you have at least 11 Americans who died in Afghanistan at the hands at the hands of Joe Biden and his administration.
I'm going to go out there and say that because it is Joe Biden's fault.
If not for Joe Biden, those Americans would be alive for right now.
Joe Biden's got blood in his hands.
So look, I said exactly the same thing an hour and a half ago when I opened the show, the deaths of those Marines at Navy Corpsmen.
It has to be laying at the desk of the man who calls himself the president, The blood is on the hands of Joe Biden.
But here's my fearful thought, and I need somebody to dissuade me from it or to tell me, yes, sadly, you're right, Sebastian.
And I see you as, you know, I ended up in the White House because I was a national security guy and because I supported the president.
You've been in politics much longer than I, working on presidential campaigns.
I don't see the Democrats doing anything about today's tragedy.
I see them closing ranks or denying the fact that Biden's responsible.
Am I wrong, Boris Epstein?
You're absolutely not wrong.
You're totally right.
These feckless, pathetic Democrats pushed through Joe Biden.
They knew that this man was not fit to be president.
They knew and they lied about who he is and who he's become.
Even when he had all the faculties, Joe Biden was not fit to be president.
But now, he doesn't know what day it is.
He has no power, no strength.
And his administration is awful.
And it is all the Democrats' fault.
They're not going to do anything about it.
And you even see Nancy Pelosi there cynically saying, oh, we're so proud of Joe Biden.
But you know what?
The American people are going to do something about it.
That's why Biden is sinking in the polls, 32 percent with independence and going lower.
I predict he'll be in the 20s with independence and overall soon enough.
So are you saying that we just have to witness more tragedy, more destruction of our nation and just wait until the elections, Boris? - more destruction of our nation and just wait until the elections, Boris? - I think we have to be loud.
We have to stand strong.
We've got to fight back.
We've got to fight back against this ineptitude.
We've got to fight back against this un-American, against American weakness.
We've got to make sure that everybody and anybody hears just how awful this administration is, how much they lie, and how they do such a huge disservice to America and Americans.
And when that happens, 2022 is going to be impossible.
He's a true believer.
He's a true patriot.
Loves this country.
A legal immigrant to America like myself.
President Trump and the MAGA movement, and President Trump will become the 47th president of the United States.
We can feel the energy in his voice.
He's a true believer.
He's a true patriot, loves his country, a legal immigrant to America like myself.
Boris, I'm still struggling with it.
I don't know what to say about the quote-unquote bipartisan trip to Kabul by those two congressmen.
Maybe that was or wasn't a good idea, especially given the events of today's terrorist attack.
Is there something the Republican Party should be doing right now as former strategists to the Trump campaign?
Is there something they need to do that they aren't doing?
What they should be doing right now is pushing for in-depth hearings, and the House and the Senate act as if we're the majority, because we have the leverage.
The Republican Party has the leverage right now, and the House and the Senate hold hearings, hold Biden, hold the Biden administration accountable, and get to the bottom of this ineptitude, make it clear to the American people just how awful, not just Biden, but Blinken, Jake Sullivan, and all of these failures are.
When you say leverage, what kind of leverage are you talking about?
Because they hold the chairmanships, they have the majorities.
Is it just a moral leverage, Boris?
I don't mean only to be disparaging, but what kind of leverage is it?
It's political leverage because their approval ratings are at 30, going down at 20, going down at 10, and sinking from there.
So the political capital is for the Republican Party right now, the Democrats are laughing, and they're not giving it back.
Because not just in Afghanistan, but the disaster at the border, the economic looming disaster, because of what's happening around the country and the world.
With American ineptitude, American weakness under Biden.
So that loss of political capital by the Democrats gives all of the leverage to Republicans, and they better act like it if they want to remain in politics.
I think I see, you know what?
So...
I'd vote for Boris.
He'd have my vote, because right now, if he were in Congress, he'd be fighting, fighting, fighting for America.
God bless you.
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You're gonna have to have a cigar or twelve tonight, I can tell.
Jesus, can you believe this?
No. No. No. No. No. No.
No.
Mic's back on, and title for that one.
The blood is on Biden's hands.
Yep.
The blood is on Biden's hands.
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Oh yeah.
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Five.
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Put a lot of emphasis into that one.
This administration just keeps fumbling the ball more and more every day.
It's ridiculous.
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How heartless!
How little do these people care?
This is our ambassador to Afghanistan, Ross Wilson, about the Americans trapped there.
Cut eight!
We put out repeated warnings every three weeks to Americans going back to, I think, March or April.
Each one in stronger terms.
Leave now.
Leave immediately.
Never in my 40 years since I began working at the State Department have I seen such strong language used.
People chose not to leave.
That's their business.
That's their right.
So screw you.
We told you to leave, but you didn't leave.
So you can just die.
Taliban can take you hostage.
Whatever.
That's a perfect representative of the Biden administration.
Let's go to Rose.
Welcome to America First.
I'm a first time caller from California.
Never called anybody like this before.
I just had to say something.
I listen to Trump on your show.
I like the face-praying work, and I'm really saddened every what happened in Afghanistan.
Well, thank you.
And we're starting to recall our governor.
Thank you.
Please keep on fighting.
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Aaron, welcome back.
Hey, Dr. G. I am upset, mad, And infuriated.
And obviously, there's no words for which I can describe the acts that have occurred today.
We talked a couple weeks ago how this was worse than Saigon.
That's too old for me to know personally.
But Joe Biden, JV team Joe Biden, who wouldn't even make the senior league in the retirement home, would not send our Seals in to get Osama bin Laden.
And yet he was able to choose to send our guys in to a bad situation with absolutely no way out for no purpose.
And that is the most disgusting act that is un-Ike-like to make the hard decision that this country can't stand for.
And the thing is, the thing we cannot forget, my friend, is it's not just him.
It's everyone around him.
They're all cut from the same cloth.
American-hating cowards!
And the blood of those Marines and that naval corpsman will be on their hands forever.
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The word I think that best describes him is warrior.
This is a man who was one of the founding members of Delta Force.
He was involved in the abortive rescue attempt of our hostages in Iran.
36 years in the military, rising to the rank, or to the position rather, of Deputy Undersecretary for Defense Intelligence in the Pentagon.
It's so good to be with you.
Green Berets and of an institution very close to my heart, the JFK Kennedy School at Fort Bragg.
He is now the executive president of the Family Research Council.
General Jerry Boykin, welcome to America First One on One.
It's so good to be with you.
Thanks for having me on.
Let's jump straight in.
We'll be right back.
We have this cut from June from the man who currently bears the title of President of the United States, talking, prognosticating about the future of Afghanistan and Kabul.
Play cut.
Started off, there were going to be negotiations between the Taliban and the Afghan National Security Forces and the Afghan government.
That didn't come to fruition.
So the question now is, where do they go from here?
That, the jury is still out.
But the likelihood there's going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely.
Highly unlikely, but it occurred in less than two weeks.
General Boykin, let's just have you give us your assessments of how this could have happened and how serious an amount of damage, injury has it done to America's reputation.
Yeah, thanks.
You know, what we're seeing right here is probably the biggest Disaster that I've seen in my lifetime.
What we're seeing is a situation developing where we're going to leave thousands of Americans in the hands of the Taliban.
They're literally going to be hostages of the Taliban.
And when you don't know how many Americans are in the country, yet you say that they're not being impeded In getting to the airport, then you have to ask the question, why are they not at the airport?
Why are they not at the airport?
And when you don't know how many Americans are there, and you say no Americans have been killed, how do you know that?
How do you know that?
You have no way of knowing.
So what I think has happened here, Seb, is we have a commander in chief who is being advised by the wrong people.
And I must tell you that starting with the State Department, and sadly, even the Defense Department, where you have a pair that should be advising the President not to close down the most functional and useful airfield in Afghanistan, that being Bagram.
And they're advising him not to, but they don't have the influence with this President.
Consequently, what we have here is one of the biggest messes that we've ever had in this type of situation.
And I must tell you that the people that are advising the president, that advised him and got us into this situation, are people that have not one moment on the ground that are focused on an agenda that I believe is a Marxist agenda.
And this kind of thing, they are not suited
for giving this president advice and now we're paying for uh... exactly what uh... what we're should have expected from people like his secretary of state his national security adviser and now sadly even his chairman of the joint chiefs and his secretary of defense both of who are very concerned about having a woke military that when it comes to uh... advising him on how to get thousands of americans and
And our allies, the Afghanis, out of Afghanistan, they have no influence with this president.
And I am personally embarrassed by what's going on.
And I'm personally concerned about the second, third, fourth order effects of this.
And Sebastian, as you well know, when our allies, our NATO allies, start criticizing our president, I mean, going after our president, criticizing him, That says a lot about the future of our relations with allies all over the world.
Yes, indeed it does.
You mentioned the National Security Advisor, Jake Sullivan.
You mentioned Antony Blinken, the Secretary of State.
How significant is it, General Boykin, that both of these individuals were deputies to Susan Rice?
Susan Rice, who of course is making the decisions behind closed doors in the White House, and who, of course, was the key architect of the debacle that was the attempt to cover up Benghazi.
Is any of this a coincidence?
And how much more serious is this than the already egregious scandal that was Benghazi, General Boykin?
Yeah, you go back and look at just what you just talked about, trying to cover up this debacle in Benghazi and lying on news programs, you know, multiple times on a Sunday news program.
And And, uh, and then you ask yourself, why is she in the administration at all?
Well, I'm going to throw something out here and you may get a lot of feedback on this and it could be negative.
It could be positive.
But when president Obama left the white house, he started this thing called organizing for action.
All right.
So what does that mean?
Well, they had four years to put together their agenda.
During the Trump administration, and I think what you're seeing right now was Susan Rice probably being one of the most influential people in this administration.
I think what you're seeing is you're seeing that agenda being played out, and it is a Marxist agenda.
Make no mistake about it.
And right now, I think that what she is doing is advising the president In such a way that he has made some really bad judgments and some bad decisions.
And here we are.
We've given our adversaries, China, Russia, Iran, a window of opportunity.
They see vulnerability in America right now.
And we've given them a window of opportunity for them to do what they want to do.
And I, you know, you have to ask the question, what would this administration do if China was to invade Taiwan right now?
Right now, we've had contingency plans for decades to respond to that.
Would we respond to that?
Would we get into a shooting war with China over there?
And how about the Russians?
What about Belarus and Ukraine?
They see weakness.
And I think that they don't believe for a moment that we would respond with anything more than an outcry at the United Nations and maybe sanctions.
But I don't think they see us as being a A military superpower any longer simply because we don't have the will to use the power that we do have.
Well, with your legendary career in the Special Operations and Special Forces community, I have to ask you to react.
This week, it was Tuesday, the chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House, a man who's usually understated, Congressman Mike McCaul, after a closed-room intelligence briefing from the DoD, from the intelligence community, he said,
There is no way, according to the current plan, that we can get all our hostages out by the deadline that Biden has acquiesced to, and as a result, there will be blood on the President's hands.
Given your experience with the Iranian hostage situation, your 36 years in the military, in the DoD, does that sound like hyperbole and exaggeration to you?
No, in fact, look at McCall.
McCall has not I've never seen McCall so fired up, so passionate as he was when he made that statement.
And I think that McCall represents the feelings of an awful lot of members of Congress there that haven't had an opportunity to express it like he did.
But listen, I want you to think about this.
In 1993, we fought an 18-hour battle in the streets of Mogadishu, Somalia.
It was called Black Hawk Down.
18 hours.
Do you know what we were fighting over?
Most Americans don't.
We were fighting over the bodies of two of our comrades, and not a single man, Delta Force, Ranger, Or Air Force combat controllers or not a single man was willing to leave that city until we had those two bodies.
Now that's an ethos, not just for the military.
It's a national ethos.
In 1863, William Tecumseh Sherman, when he came out of Tennessee, he wrote a letter to, uh, to the president.
And he said, I knew wherever I was.
That you thought of me.
And if I got in a tight spot, you would come, if alive.
That's a national ethos.
And I say the president, it was actually the future president, I should say, as it was Ulysses S. Grant that he was writing to.
Nevertheless, that is an ethos.
And we're about to violate that.
And we have a president that I think does not understand that ethos.
I don't think that he This is part of his agenda.
I think he is in this thing, and now he is so far into it, he cannot get out of it.
He should have made the decision right up front to tell the Taliban, we are staying until we get our people back.
And we're not moving.
And you can help us or you can impede us.
And if you impede us, you will pay a price for it.
If you do not impede us, we'll turn this country over to you when we leave here.
It's too late to do that now because we have no credibility.
General Boykin, you've made it clear who you think is in charge.
I concur that it's Susan Rice, who had no requirement to be confirmed by the Senate, that these are people driven by a hatred of America and a neo-Marxist ideology.
Let's stay in the lane of national security for a second, because I think there's not just the ideological impact, there's also the arrogance and the ignorance mixed in.
When you have the man who receives the presidential daily intelligence briefing, Who has the biggest intelligence apparatus in the world serving him when he goes in front of a podium at the White House and Joe Biden says, it's okay with we're leaving on the 31st, but we will have over the horizon capabilities.
There is no such thing as over-the-horizon capabilities when you have no airstrips in theater, when you close down Bagram, you close down the KIA, when Pakistan, where none of the stands give us access, you can't fly a UAV from Nevada to Herat province in Afghanistan.
How does a president make such an egregiously incorrect statement?
Is it just rank ignorance, or is it just propaganda?
What is your sense, given your history?
You know, that's a great question.
And when the President of the United States gets up and puts out false information like that, knowing that he's going to be questioned, he or somebody in his administration is going to be questioned about what is that over-the-horizon capability.
First of all, there are no countries There are no countries that border Afghanistan that you're going to be able to put anything in, in terms of an over-the-horizon capability.
Remember, we started out in Uzbekistan back in 2001, and ultimately the Russians raised so much cane about that, we had to leave Uzbekistan.
So where are you going to have an over-the-horizon capability station?
Turkmenistan?
Tajikistan?
Uzbekistan?
Pakistan?
Iran?
No.
The Russians have already told us that they don't want us in their backyard.
They've already told our president that we will not be allowed to have a reconnaissance operation operating from any of those Central Asian countries.
Well, what do you think they will say when we tell them we want to put a reaction force there, a counter-terror force there?
And we've already ceded, I think, our moral authority to the Russians of all people in terms of being willing to do the right thing for American citizens and for the Afghans that have fought with us and many, you know, have paid a dear price for.
Yeah, it's truly stunning, truly, truly incredible to have that coming from the top of the administration.
When you hear also that JSOC elements were on the ground, were in Campbell International Airport, and were not being allowed to leave the airport to rescue US citizens, and the Secretary of Defense says that we may not be able to rescue all of those Americans, What is your reaction, General Boykin?
Yeah, you know, it's to me, it's a combination of anger and disgust when I hear the president say, we're leaving on the 31st and if you can get to the airport, basically.
...of everything we stand for as a country, such a violation of who we are as a nation, You know, you talked about the Iran rescue effort.
There were 52 Americans that were being held in the embassy there in Tehran.
And they were taken in November of 1979.
And in April of 1980, we went in and tried to rescue them.
We were up against Overwhelming odds.
The chance that we were going to be able to pull this off was better, was less than 50-50, but it was better than doing nothing.
And I think even Jimmy Carter realized that.
Jimmy Carter realized that, first of all, we had 52 American lives at stake.
Secondly, we had American prestige and honor at stake.
And even Jimmy Carter authorized That operation to go in there.
Unfortunately, about 100 miles from Tehran, we had an accident in the desert with two airplanes, a helicopter and an airplane, and we were not able to get into Tehran and get our Americans.
And I must tell you that I and all of the Delta Force men that were on the ground there that night, we carried a very, very heavy burden for a long, long time until we came to the realization that what we did is we brought down a government.
And it was our own government.
We brought down the administration of Jimmy Carter.
But what did that result in?
It resulted in us electing a great man, and that was Ronald Reagan.
And then as a result of that, we started seeing some major changes in Special Operations, and that's how we got Special Operations Command as a result of that failure there.
What is this failure going to do?
What is this failure going to result in for America?
You have to wonder if it's going to result in bringing down this administration, which I think it will.
But more importantly, what's it going to do for us as long as we know that we've still got thousands of Americans in the hands of the Taliban?
Are we going to launch an operation, try and go and get them?
So far, The President has authorized three operations there in Afghanistan to go after Americans that were isolated.
Good.
Kudos.
Now, go out into the interior and get those Americans.
You got the Delta Force, you got SEAL Team 6, and you have the Marine Special Operations Command, all of which were designed for and are capable of rescuing hostages, and now is the time To put them all on the ground and use them to do just that.
But don't leave these Americans behind.
Is there any of this, General Boykin, that couldn't be laying at the feet of the woke-ification of the U.S.
military?
How much do you think that plays into it?
That a new Secretary of Defense, a chairman of the Joint Chiefs, talks about white rage and critical race theory as good things that need to be taught at West Point.
Can that have an effect on our operational capability eventually?
Yeah, where is their mind?
Where is their priority?
Let me tell you, I spent 36 And a half years in the military.
And I don't know what white rage is.
I've never seen white rage in the military, whatever that is.
And I don't understand it.
But the whole point is, where are they?
What are they thinking about?
What are their priorities?
Where are they putting their attention?
And it appears that it is all about developing a woke military.
And I got to tell you, I am so disgusted with this.
And now, quite frankly, they're going to force the vaccinations on our military.
And they're talking about it this week, forcing this on the military.
Look, I'll tell you, I'm vaccinated.
But the fact that you would force young men and women to take something that is so controversial, I find that hard to believe.
And let me tell you what that's going to result in.
That's going to result in retention.
And recruiting problems.
You're going to have people leaving the military and I, let me tell you, I'm already talking to people that are telling me they are leaving the military now because of this focus on being a woke military.
And it's sad to me, but there and I, others, moms and dads, as I go around and speak at different events and all, they're just, they're saying to me, what do you think about my son being in the military?
I'm just, and they go on and tell me how they're just really opposed to it.
Johnny and Janie being in the military now.
So it's going to result in, uh, an impediment to recruiting.
And you're going to have a lot of good people that you're not going to be able to retain when you stay focused on this kind of thing.
And then when you throw it on top of that, uh, mandatory shots, uh, of, of such a nature as this.
And I got to tell you, our military is in decline right now, and I'm very, very concerned about it.
Let's continue the discussion of the woke-ification of the U.S.
military.
What is your advice to those?
We've had a very brave lieutenant colonel from Space Force talk about the effects of critical race theory, who's still serving.
What is your advice to officers, to NCOs who want to push back?
Should they risk speaking out?
Should they risk their military career?
What do you say to those brave men and women who want to tell the truth about the ideological perversion of the greatest military the world has ever seen, General?
Yeah, first of all, if you're a young enlisted man, or even a senior enlisted man, or a young officer, What you need to do is you need to go and sit down with your chain of command and tell them how you feel about things.
And you won't be the only one if you can get others within the same organization to muster their courage and go and talk to the chain of command about it.
Now, if you are a senior officer, there comes a time when you have to consider whether it's time for you to lay your stars on the table and Make sure that the chain of command understands that you are not willing to continue serving and obeying the orders of the commander-in-chief because you disagree with them.
Theologically, ideologically, or just for reasons that maybe you're the only one that understands.
But there's a time to lay your stars on the table and say, I can't do this anymore.
And by the way, I am going to talk about this publicly.
Lay your stars on the table and leave.
Go ahead, General.
Yeah.
You remember back in the Jimmy Carter era where the operations director in Korea for the United Nations command there, but also for the U.S.
forces there, was a World War II veteran.
And Jimmy Carter said, we're pulling out of Korea.
We've been there a long time.
We don't need to be there anymore.
And this two-star general said, I will not obey that order.
I will leave the military, but I will not obey that order to remove all forces, all U.S.
forces from Korea.
Well, he got fired.
He basically laid his stars on the table and left, but we're still in Korea, aren't we?
Carter changed his mind.
But it cost that guy his career.
Look, there comes a time when you're going to have to do that kind of thing.
And when you look at the situation that we're in today, I got to tell you, it is time for some of these generals, some of these upper level echelon generals to lay the stars on the table.
Honor is more important than your career and your next promotion.
We're talking to the Family Research Council's Executive Vice President, Lieutenant General Jerry Boykin.
He is the author of Man to Man.
We will be discussing it momentarily.
36 years.
In the army, especially with our special operations and special forces community.
And before we move to your book, there is this function in the army now of the red cell, the red team, where you try and think like the enemy and try and predict what they're going to do based upon their strategic culture.
How does China, Russia, Iran, And now the Taliban look at America today in the last eight months, and what is their reaction to these recruiting ads with the corporal with the quote-unquote two lesbian mothers?
What does the enemy think of America now, General?
Yeah, for those people who have not seen what you were just talking about, these are recruiting ads for the US Army.
You really have to ask yourself, what are the Russians thinking?
Are they laughing at us?
Well, no question they are.
Are the Chinese laughing at us?
No question they are.
It's almost as if we are deliberately reducing the effectiveness of our military.
And then when you look at not just the critical race theory and the wokeism, but when you look at the fact that the military is talking about Hiring outside organizations to read your mail, to see what you're posting on social media so that they can determine whether you might be an extremist.
Well, that, I can't believe that that could even be legal to begin to do that.
But also know that this critical race theory and all this wokenism is doing nothing but reducing our readiness because On the battlefield, there's nothing more important than cohesion.
You can give them all of the best weapons, best technology available, and that gives them an edge.
But on the battlefield, it's about cohesion.
It's about being willing to risk your life for the men on your right and left.
And that's exactly what, if you look at the Medals of Honor that have been given out, that's what they were for.
It's guys risking their own life and in some cases given their own lives for the man on the right and left.
And you take these people in a classroom, you set them down, you divide them, and you say all of you on this side are oppressors and all of you on this side are the oppressed.
Is that building unit cohesion?
Is that building camaraderie or brotherhood?
Fundamental element of being able to win on the battlefield?
It is not.
It is time that we get back to the notion that the only mission the Army has is to win wars.
The only mission the military has is to win wars.
And we need to focus on readiness to do that mission.
And that's not where the heads of these senior officers are right now, particularly Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
General, let us change topics, although I'm not sure it's a different topic.
I think all of these are connected, especially when you look at the last year and a half of our nation and our civilizations, our Christian civilizations' response to the China virus.
I've come to the conclusion that whatever the real issue is, whether it's national security, the border, Afghanistan, the response to COVID, the biggest challenge we have is just a lack of courage in general.
You've written a book called Man to Man, Rediscovering Masculinity in a Challenging World.
Why did you have to write that book?
You've now moved from this sterling military career to being an ordained pastor, for being an executive vice president of the Family Research Council.
Why is tackling the question of what it means to be a man so very, very crucial at the beginning of the 21st century?
Yeah, you know, What we see in our country today is an all-out assault on masculinity, and we were talking earlier about the recruiting ads.
Do you see anything there that emphasizes masculinity, that emphasizes the need for masculinity to be in the military?
No.
You know, the Marines have probably done the best job over the years of attracting young men because Well, everybody else was saying, you know, you can get an education and you can get this and that.
Marines said you can get an opportunity, basically, to be a man.
And what we're doing today is so counter to what we've done previously to build a robust military.
There's always been a place for women in the military.
And they've served a great function in the military, and we need them.
We also need rough, tough, masculine men in our military.
But we also need them in our society.
And the reason I wrote this book was because as I look around and I see what's happening throughout America, and the men are going into their closet and hiding.
They're not out here leading, which is what men are supposed to do.
And you know, Seb, when you see a video of an Asian woman being beaten out on the street and the security guard, a man, locks the door and stands on the inside and watches it instead of getting out there and trying to do something.
That is an indication that we've got a problem in this country in terms of men understanding their role.
And that's because the feminist movement has had such an impact.
And by the way, the feminist movement is also part of the Marxist movement in America.
And if you go back to 1958 and read the book, The Naked Communist, it told us how they were going to take over America.
What you'll see is they were going to go after masculinity.
They were going to go after men.
They were going to try to get them out of the home.
And what you see now is exactly what they told us they were going to do.
And I wrote the book because I want to give men Another perspective of what their role is.
I believe that we've got to have some real men and they've got to start standing up and they've got to start playing the role that men were designed for.
How much is that Marxist assault on masculinity combined with the radical transgender agenda general and wrapped up all together in the assault on Christianity and the faith-based system that was so crucial to our founding?
None of these can be separated from each other, can they?
No, they can't.
You make an excellent point, Sebastian.
If you go back and read the book, and I encourage it, it's available again.
It's written by a guy named Skousen, the Naked Communist.
Read it.
And what you're going to find out is they laid out a plan for how they would take over America, but a lot of it dealt with families, and the primary thing they were going after in families was the men, the fathers.
That's why we have so many absentee fathers in this country today.
That's why we have so many single mothers in this country today is because they said to us they were going to get men hooked on pornography as a distraction that would ultimately result in divorce, and by the way, do you know that three out of every five divorces in America today list pornography as one of the issues for the divorce?
I didn't know that.
So they told us they were going to get them hooked on it.
Then they were going to promote homosexuality and get men To believe that this was a normal and healthy, was the term they used, alternative to heterosexual behavior.
And they told us that they were going to get men hooked on gambling, for example, and hooked on other things.
Well, men are hooked on computer games today.
So what they said they were going to do, if you read that book and you look at what they've done, their objectives and their agenda is almost complete.
General, I chose America.
I'm a legal immigrant to this country.
You were born here.
And I have to ask you, are you shocked?
Are you dismayed by how masculinity really collapsed in the last year and a half?
Business owners said, okay, you can close my business down and destroy my livelihood.
How parents, fathers said, oh, there's almost no vulnerability of children to COVID, but you can shut my children's school down.
You can force me to mask them.
Wasn't it a surprise to you as well, just how easily the state took over without resistance from America's men?
Yes, it shocked me.
And don't think for one minute that there isn't a bigger agenda associated with all of this, because there is.
And it is.
Ultimately, it is this Marxist agenda.
And it is about big government.
It's about really totalitarian central government.
And as you well know, Sebastian, we have responded
Just about as poorly as we could have to this COVID situation, when you allow certain activities, let's say bars and that type of thing, to stay open at the same time you're shutting down churches, at the same time you're restricting restaurants and businesses.
And we just, we went along with it.
And you have to ask yourself, what are we thinking?
What are we thinking?
We should have the choice.
Are we still a free people?
And now, watch what's happening now with this COVID passport thing, vaccination passport.
Think about that for a minute.
And what does it mean if we're not going to be able to function as Americans if we haven't been vaccinated, if we can't show with our passport That we've been vaccinated.
It's all about isolating us.
And by the way, it's not just conservatives that are not vaccinated.
There are plenty of liberals that don't want the vaccination either.
But you stop and think about this.
What that's doing is it's setting us up to divide this country.
It's another division in this country.
Sam, you tell me.
You're a student of history.
You tell me, where does this end?
Where does this go?
That we're willing to accept these things that if we sat down beforehand and said, this is going to happen, what would we have said?
We would have said, no, sir.
We're not going to let that happen.
We're not going to do that.
Well, we've done it.
We've accepted this Marxist agenda, which is shutting things down, but also getting us to live in fear.
And that's what I think is most problematic.
We're doing that because of our fear.
We are.
And I'm an optimist.
I see amazing signs of America waking up.
So I'll give you my answer in a moment.
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General, you asked me how I see things put into historic perspective.
I truly believe that America is the greatest nation on God's Earth, the only one founded on the principle of individual liberty and freedom.
I believe that the big cities, the New Yorks, the Los Angeles, the DCs do not represent real America, the areas of America that are so derisively called the flyover states.
And I think that America is going to bring us back to that shining city on a hill.
I think the mandatory vaccinations, the masks will make even apolitical individuals wake up as well.
But let me turn the question back on to you.
As an American born in America, are you an optimist?
We've already won.
As Christians, we know we've already won.
But when it comes to here on Earth, Ronald Reagan turned things around incredibly.
In the land of my birth, Maggie Thatcher turned things around after Awful, awful years of socialism under the Labour Party.
Do you maintain an air of optimism given what we've witnessed, not just under the last year and a half here in America, but also in the last eight months when it comes to the standing of our nation?
I do.
I am optimistic about it.
And as I travel around and I talk to people, it's amazing to me how there are so many people now that Uh, have previously sort of been uninvolved in what's happening in the nation.
They just, uh, they're satisfied to go to work every day and, and watch the ball games on the weekends, but now they're waking up and you, you said it, they're waking up.
They're seeing what's happening in this country.
And, uh, I was, uh, in a church in, uh, Temecula, California last weekend.
Uh, and, and I was the pastor.
of this church refused to close his church.
And now his church has grown exponentially, exponentially, uh, probably quadruple.
And it is because he took a bold stand and now he has people that he is essentially, uh, mentoring that are saying, put me in coach, put me in.
And, uh, you go back to this whole issue of the men who, if you watch the Loudoun County videos of who's standing up at the, uh, at the, uh, school board meetings, what do you see there?
Do you see men?
Nah, you see the moms.
Moms are fired out.
So it's not just the men.
These women are starting to call for men to be men, for them to find their manhood.
And, uh, and, I think that people are waking up, Seb, and I think that we still got a long ways to go.
It's going to be a grind.
But I do believe that this is going to turn this country around.
And this is as abysmal as this situation in Afghanistan is.
I think it's going to be one more thing that's going to bring down this administration.
At least they won't be reelected.
I don't believe, and if you look at the poll numbers, it sort of substantiates that.
But I do believe that Americans are waking up and we're going to see a turn back to, not only to God, but I think we're going to see a turn back to the values that this nation was founded on.
Your job, Seb, is to make sure that they know what those values are, and you're doing a pretty good job of it.
Thank you kindly, along with America's Mama Bears.
God bless America's Mama Bears.
Thank you to you, General Boykin.
Follow this man, at Jen Boykin, on Twitter, B-O-Y-K-A-N, at Jen Boykin.
The book is Man to Man, Rediscovering Masculinity in a Changing World.
Last question to you, sir, if I may.
What is your message to the millions of people listening and watching our one-to-one interview?
What is your message to those who've lost hope, especially after last November?
What do you say to those who say America's done and they've just given up?
Get over it.
Get over it.
We have the ability to change things here if we're willing to get involved and engaged.
The most fundamental thing that our founding fathers gave us was the right to choose our own leadership.
We made a bad choice in November.
Turn it around now and get people, and I'm not just talking about the president, I'm talking about get involved in the electoral process, get involved in the school boards, get involved in anything That you can get involved in that will make a difference in your city, your county, your municipality.
Get involved, but don't sit on the sidelines any longer.
It's up to us.
We can make that difference.
We've done it before with much, much harder challenges and much, much harder enemies.
We will sign out with the words of my former boss, President Donald J. Trump.
We will not bend.
We will not break.
We will not yield.
We will never give in.
We will never give up.
We will never back down.
we will never, ever surrender.
My fellow Americans, our movement is far from over.
In fact, our fight has only just begun.
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