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Aug. 25, 2021 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: One-on-One with President Trump

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	Welcome, Dave Frenzy.
	Yes, indeed, this is America First with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald J. Trump, member of the Pentagon National Security Education Board, and delighted, fingers crossed, guys, say a prayer for us.
	My former boss will be joining us later today.
	Yes, we will be having a live interview with the 45th President of the United States, Here across the nation on America First, live streaming on Facebook, available on Rumble.
	Don't miss a second of it.
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	And you won't miss a thing, especially our interview with President Trump later today here on America First.
	But first, latest update.
	It's our responsibility to push back on the propaganda and the lies and to give you the breaking news earlier, just before the show.
	The Pentagon had a press briefing, a remarkable, remarkable press briefing for what was not answered and the way that they actually skirted the real issues.
	This is a man who is a disgrace to the uniform he once wore.
	He is the official press spokesman for the Pentagon, Admiral John Kirby, who was telling us the state of America in Afghanistan today, video cut 11, play cuts.
	John, who is guarding the U.S.
	Embassy right now?
	Who will guard after the U.S.
	military pulls out?
	Are there any contingencies?
	Do you have an agreement with the Taliban?
	And in terms of the airport, do you have an agreement with any NATO allies to keep, like the Turks, to keep the airport open after the U.S.
	military pulls out?
	As I understand it, I know there's no military assets guarding the embassy compound.
	The U.S.
	Embassy is operating out of Hamid Karza International Airport.
	As for the Turks, they are still on the ground at the airport assisting in this security mission that we have there.
	I won't speak for their intentions one way or another going forward, but there's not going to be a When the mission is over and when we are leaving the airport, the airport will not be the United States' responsibility anymore.
	So how it gets...
	Managed going forward will be something that the Taliban, who are now in Kabul, will have to manage on their own, and I assume with the international community, but that won't be an American responsibility.
	How did that man get to be the official press spokesperson for the Pentagon?
	How did that man get to be an admiral?
	How on earth did he get to be an admiral in the US Navy is the question.
	John Kirby can't give answers.
	And the most egregious of all is the fact that this man You can't answer the future of U.S.
	representation on the ground in Afghanistan.
	It is shocking.
	The embassy is not under our control anymore.
	We even, under this administration, surrendered Bagram military airbase.
	We are flying out of the ironically christened Haramid Karzai International Airport in Kabul with one runway.
	And if we leave as is planned in six days time, that's it.
	That is the end of US presence on the ground.
	No embassy, no consulate, not one PFC, not one private first class to represent American Individuals, citizens trapped in that country.
	And if you want to know just how confused things are, listen to the difference between what the left hand is saying and what the right hand is saying.
	This is the president's press secretary, Jen Psaki, who's getting very, very irritated at Steve Doocy, sorry, Steve Doocy's son, Peter Doocy, because he's actually acting like a journalist asking questions.
	And here she says very clearly that We're even going to leave before the Taliban-imposed deadline.
	Cut 7, Jen Psaki.
	Does that mean that the evacuations will stop before the actual 31st, so then there is time to get the troops and their machinery and weaponry out of there?
	That would be correct, yes.
	That there would need to be time to wind down the present.
	So did you hear that?
	A random act of journalism.
	Somebody asked, hey, you got to leave before the 31st, because you've got to get the military equipment out.
	You can't evacuate everybody on the last day, because then what about all the weapons, all the soldiers, all the Marines?
	And she says, yeah, yeah, we're going to leave earlier.
	Well, we're going to get out of there.
	So it's all ready to roll.
	That was the White House.
	Now the same question was asked of John Kirby today.
	And what did he reply?
	Cut eight.
	There will be a transition more towards getting military assets out as we get closer to the end.
	But again, we're going to continue to work the evacuation mission right up until the last day.
	So which is it?
	Biden administration?
	Is it we will stop evacuating people so we can get the military equipment out?
	Or will we be evacuating Americans and really everybody else who can get to the airport?
	The thousands and thousands and thousands of Afghan nationals who may or may not have worked for us, may or may not be interpreters.
	I'll talk about the argument I got into with somebody on our side about the evacuation of Afghan quote-unquote refugees late last night that led me to having to cut her off in mid-texting because it got rather heated.
	But let me talk about one specific issue.
	that pertains to all of this.
	The lies about, oh, well, this is just the Biden administration executing the Trump administration's plan.
	Lies, lies, undamnable lies.
	This administration said September the 11th teems to get out.
	Then it changed it to May, and now it has changed it back again to the end of September.
	To the end of this month, August.
	Now what did the Trump administration do?
	A deal was arrived at in a tripartite fashion.
	The key interlocutor for the Americans wasn't the Taliban.
	We were dealing with the Taliban because they didn't control Afghanistan.
	The chief interlocutor, the people on the other side of the table, were the administration of Afghanistan.
	The host nation, as it is called, technically, that we had funded to the tune of $60 million a day in terms of our commitment to that nation for the last 20 years.
	That's who we had a deal with.
	But that government, after Biden took over, after he decided to pull the plug, last man out, switch off the light, that government fell.
	Why?
	Because they knew that this man cannot be trusted, that Biden was going to pull out in a way that had nothing to do with conditions on the ground.
	President Trump, and he'll tell you later, I talked about a conditions-based withdrawal.
	If certain conditions weren't met, then we were staying there as long as it took to protect our interests and whack bad guys.
	But then it all fell apart.
	In ten days, the government we had propped up with literally billions and billions and billions of your taxpayer dollars disappeared.
	In a puff of smoke.
	This administration is negotiating with the Taliban, with the jihadists that want to murder every single one of you.
	If you're a Jew, if you're a Christian, if you're a Muslim who disagrees with them, you're the enemy.
	And that's who Biden has knelt down for.
	He won't respect the flag, and now he's kneeling in front of the jihadists.
	It is a disgrace, and the world is laughing at us.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
	Later, President Trump.
	Hey, mic's on.
	All right, I just disconnected the camera there for a second.
	And...
	And I did it again.
	Standby.
	Standing by.
	Alright, I have the worst connector.
	Jeff went to go get our first guest.
	Oh good!
	And the call board is currently the same with the last screenshot I believe he sent you.
	Alright, have you got my camera now?
	Um, yes.
	Yes we did.
	Alright.
	Post that.
	Yes, go ahead.
	Yes, uh, what do you think, Shad?
	What?
	Oh, I was asking something about in the studio that we're, uh, setting up.
	You've got, uh, you've got food here, by the way.
	Oh, good.
	Thank you.
	Is there audio for today?
	There is.
	You wanna hear it?
	Yeah, please.
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	Many of the patients are staying outside for fear the hospitals themselves could collapse in the aftershocks.
	Some have cracks already.
	That's it?
	That's it, yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay, good.
	Do you want to come in with that?
	No, I'll tee it up.
	though.
	All right.
	Awesome.
	We got a minute and a half and Brian's not in studio yet.
	Not yet.
	Don't worry.
	Jeff said he may be pushing to the last minute there, but that's alright.
	Just tell me in my ear if he's there.
	Oh, and I'm doing spicy tonight, right?
	Yes.
	What time?
	The time is... 6.30.
	And, of course, the topic is the media angle on Afghanistan.
	Okay.
	And you'll be on a panel with Mary Walter.
	Oh, fun!
	Okay, cool.
	Awesome.
	40 seconds.
	Yeah,
	we got 30 seconds. 30 we got 30 seconds. 30 seconds.
	30 seconds.
	Making sense out of today's news, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
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	Back to the analysis of what's happening in Kabul in Afghanistan.
	Returning to this incredible press conference today from the Pentagon.
	This is John Kirby who's asked a question about the terror threat to America as linked to the refugee stream from Afghanistan and his response is stunning.
	Cut 10.
	Play cut.
	And just one more, how many individuals on terror watch lists have been screened or found at any of the screening points either in Qatar, Ramstein, or in the U.S.?
	I don't know.
	We'll have to take that question and get back to you.
	It's just terrorists.
	I'll circle back.
	Unbelievable.
	What does it all mean?
	Let's ask an intelligence professional who's not afraid of the truth, very outspoken friend of America First, Brian Deanwright, who's in my studio while I'm sitting in the North Country at WLTN Studios.
	Brian, welcome back to America First.
	Isn't it me who's supposed to be in the undisclosed location and you are here in the swamp?
	I think, isn't that how that's supposed to work?
	Well, usually it is.
	I'm always trying to track you down, Brian, and you're always somewhere, you know.
	I will not say, you know, that delightful place Fort Huachuca, but you are somewhere in some location.
	Maybe, maybe a week later I'll call from you.
	But now, like a true operator, he's done the Mission Impossible through the roof into my studio and he's in my chair.
	Brian, God bless you.
	Thank you for coming into the swamp while I'm up here in New Hampshire.
	Look, I've never been a part of the Intel community.
	I still have my TS clearances.
	I worked in the DoD and the White House, but I wasn't part.
	I didn't have my lovely mosaic badge and I didn't work at LX1 or anywhere like that.
	Can you just, as an insider, just walk us through this without divulging any intelligence?
	Millions of listeners want to know, is it reasonable for the largest intelligence entity in the world with 17 agencies, more satellites than you can shake a stick at to say, uh, we don't know how many Americans are in Afghanistan.
	And to say in June, as the man who bears the title of president, oh, Afghanistan, no, there's no way it's going to fall.
	And then it falls in 10 days.
	Can you walk us through this insanity?
	Because I feel like I'm going mad.
	Well, you and everyone else watching this, I don't think you need to be a former CIA officer to understand and see that this is an absolute disaster.
	Look, we had an opportunity to get this withdrawal correct, and one of the things that you would have done, had you done it correctly, is you would have identified all the Americans in country, you would have had them registered with the State Department, and you would have developed evacuation plans, and you would have had a thoughtful way forward.
	But we didn't have a thoughtful withdrawal, did we?
	We had a panicked retreat.
	And when you engage in panic retreat, of course you're going to get chaos.
	So indeed, Americans are going to be left behind.
	You're going to see these heartbreaking pictures and videos of people falling off of planes as they're panicked, trying to get out of the country.
	Some of those individuals or interpreters that my CIA colleagues and military colleagues have worked with.
	But the problem that you're also raising is you have a bunch of people bum-rushing the airport who we haven't vetted.
	Some of those folks don't even know when their birthday is, or any kind of identification.
	So how are you supposed to identify who these folks are actually?
	And then vet them out.
	You know, the president, if we can call him that, I personally don't, but Mr. Biden says we're going to vet these folks either in Afghanistan or some magical place where we fly them.
	And that's, of course, ridiculous, because unless we have a picture of every person or terrorist of interest, how are we going to identify who the bad folks are?
	And then the bigger picture, from my optic, beyond the terror threat, is this.
	Who are we importing in terms of the values that these folks have?
	And where are they going in the country?
	And your listeners and your viewers, do you want these folks as your neighbor?
	Here's the question.
	How do they treat women?
	How do they treat gay folks?
	How do they embrace art and science?
	You see, a lot of folks in Afghanistan don't like particularly women and would kill them if they could get away with it.
	In fact, they do.
	They throw gay folks off of buildings.
	They reject and they blow up art.
	Are those the people that you want as a neighbor?
	I mean, certainly the terror question is perhaps one of the most monumental.
	I mean, it should rightfully frighten all of us.
	But there's also this cultural piece.
	I mean, we have a border on the South that doesn't exist at all.
	It has fallen.
	And so we are being inundated by people that we're not vetting, not just from a security perspective.
	Yes, my God, we should be.
	But it is changing the face of the country in terms of our values.
	I have to ask you, I think you've been very outspoken about being a former Democrat or coming from a Democrat family.
	Is there anybody you see from the Democrat party, from that side of the aisle, who's raising any of the issues you've mentioned?
	For example, the effect on our culture of bringing people to this country who 95% of them, according to Pew, want Sharia law.
	Right.
	There are none.
	So there should be a group of conservative Democrats, moderate Democrats, the Blue Dogs, as they fancy themselves.
	But those folks have been MIA.
	You know, there's a Spamburger, Representative Spamburger is a former CIA officer in Virginia.
	Representative, I should say.
	Now, you would think of all people who would want to stand up as a Blue Dog Democrat and say, hey, we got a security issue.
	We have a cultural values issue.
	The party, the Democratic Party, is wrong on this.
	Stand up and say something about it.
	She doesn't.
	So it is across the board, the very small numbers of people in the left, the Democratic Party, who should stand up.
	They're not.
	Follow this man right now.
	He's going to stay with us for another segment because he's braved the swamp.
	Former CIA operative.
	Follow him.
	Brian Dean, right?
	Brian.
	He's different.
	He spells it with a Y. I'm Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Trump, who will be joining us later.
	Yes, President Trump.
	Stay on this channel.
	Oh, my goodness.
	No, actually, I don't know if you've spoken with your colleagues here.
	No.
	I arrived maybe five seconds, ten seconds before you.
	Oh, they whispered in my ear, he's sitting down now.
	Yes.
	The swamp traffic remains swampy, my friend.
	Seriously?
	Good lord.
	No, I was coming up from near Baltimore, and I left with an hour and a half, and you would think even at this hour.
	An hour and a half?
	Are you kidding?
	Yeah, and it was a nightmare.
	Yes, so your staff is amazing and hustled me up.
	We really love having you in studio.
	Thank you, Brian.
	Such a pleasure.
	Guys, Eric, will you show... I want to see the thing for the t-shirts.
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	Where should we go?
	There's just so many different places to go.
	We discussed the vetting, the refugees.
	Oh, let's talk about relations with liaison services.
	How this affects our allies and our partners.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, good.
	Good, good, good.
	Perfect.
	How long are you in town?
	Just through Sunday.
	Fly back on Sunday.
	And by the way, part of this liaison issue, you know, they're relying on us to do the right thing, of course, and then we're not.
	So when we're going to ask them big asks about Iran or China, etc., are they going to respond?
	Yeah, why should they?
	No.
	Why should they?
	They should.
	Can you come in, Eric, with the Kirby who says he doesn't know how many Americans cut nine?
	Cut nine.
	Yes.
	How'd that guy get to be the spokesman?
	It's crazy.
	What?
	Oh, we're doing relief here.
	Relief.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	How that guy got to be an admiral blows my mind.
	I'll tell you, how can you be in the Pentagon right now and still come to work every day with your head held high?
	I don't think you can.
	My friend, he's a former jihadi ideology advisor to the Joint Chiefs, he said today, a lot of good people are considering leaving the DoD.
	And I texted back, what?
	You mean there are some left?
	Right.
	It's like, really?
	How can you?
	How can you just go into work?
	No, look, I'll tell you some of my former colleagues at the agency are feeling the same thing.
	I mean, they're absolutely outraged.
	One of the things in terms of liaison, that over the horizon capability, you have to have boots on the ground, you have to have people to look in.
	So that's degraded as well.
	Let's talk about that.
	Let's talk about that.
	Perfect.
	How long to go, guys?
	50 seconds.
	Okay.
	Coming in with cut nine.
	Yep. 30 seconds.
	20 seconds, stand by.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I think yesterday you did put out a statement saying about 4,000 Americans have been evacuated.
	That's correct.
	Is there an updated number?
	And do you have the sort of base number?
	How many have to be evacuated now?
	It's right now, today, north of 4,400.
	And I don't have a specific number of total Americans that are still in need of leaving.
	I don't have that.
	Kirby, the word is no.
	Okay?
	The answer is no.
	I don't know, because I'm a hack.
	I'm a cretin.
	I'm an embarrassment to the naval uniform I once wore.
	We are back with a man who speaks the truth.
	Former CIA operative.
	Can't wait for his autobiography.
	I hope he's penning it as we speak.
	Brian Dean Wright.
	Follow him right now.
	Brian with a Y on Twitter.
	There is a phrase in the intelligence community, liaison services, meaning the other intelligence agencies we work with may not be allies like the Brits or the Canadians, but they may be people who are bloody important like the Jordanians or the Israelis.
	How does the last 14 days affect, forget which administration, affect America's national security with regards to the quality of liaison services?
	The CIA director went to the Taliban, a group of people that we've been bombing for 20 years, and said, hey, can you do us a favor and let us hang out for a couple more weeks to grab some folks we're going to leave behind?
	Otherwise, the Taliban said no.
	The CIA director said, all right, and flew out.
	So you tell me, what is in the mind of every liaison service about, A, the power of the current CIA director, but second, the power of our current joke of a man who calls himself president?
	Look, America is down on its knees in front of the world.
	We have been absolutely humiliated.
	So when a liaison service, we go knocking on their door and say, hey, can you do the following things for us?
	Can you take some risks for us?
	Do you think that they're going to ask themselves, hey, we're going to take this risk?
	Are the Americans going to be there for us if we need them?
	Are they going to leave us behind?
	And the answer is maybe.
	I mean, that's what we are seeing.
	And that is one of the scariest parts of all this, is you are now degrading your relationships with people around the world because you don't want to be a policeman around the world.
	You've got to have friends that help you do things.
	Let's talk about that, how you need to have friends.
	More than once, the man who calls himself president says, don't worry, don't worry, we're going to leave in six days, but we will have over-the-horizon capabilities.
	Well, the last time I looked, there's not one country in the region, not one country that has us use their airspace, their landing strips.
	We gave up Bagram.
	We're giving up KIA in six days.
	Can we, maybe I missed something and maybe this is classified.
	Can you fly a UAV from Nevada to Central Asia?
	Because I don't think that's physically Physically possible.
	Maybe, you know, that UFO report that came out a few months ago, some of that technology seems like it may be, yeah.
	But this is insanity.
	We need our friends for the intel, don't we, Brian?
	So, last, this whole drawdown, aka, you know, panicked retreat, started initially in July.
	The word went out in early July.
	And I have to be very careful what I say here, but I will tell you that the folks on the ground got very few hours notice that they were going to be yanked.
	And so when that happens, you have very limited time to no time to reach out to the friends that you work with and your informants to say, hey, look, things are changing and we need to set up a different way of doing business, shall I say.
	And when you lose that opportunity, you basically just disappear.
	And to your agents and your informants on the ground, you're just gone.
	So in July, when this is happening, what message do you think that that is sending, you know, the discrete eyes and ears on the ground throughout Afghanistan?
	And then, oh, by the way, we pull out our mechanics, the contractors that are servicing the Air Force, and of course that grounds the entire Air Force.
	Word was out in July that that place was going to collapse, right?
	So of course, you know, we have this particular outcome.
	So look, our intelligence capabilities have been profoundly degraded in Afghanistan.
	Our ability to hold our fingers to the pulse of the terror networks has been profoundly degraded.
	Now we're going to rely on our liaison partners, the Taliban?
	I mean, is it?
	Is the Taliban going to tell us if there's some bad stuff about to happen against the United States?
	By the way, a country in the West that they want to destroy?
	I mean, come on.
	So we are in big, big trouble.
	The Pakistanis aren't going to help us either.
	They hate us just as much.
	So we are in major trouble.
	The implications of this are profound.
	Follow this man, he is outspoken on social media.
	Brian Dean Wright, former CIA operative.
	That's Brian with a Y. Tomorrow we will be spending a whole hour with former Delta Force founding member and commander of the Green Berets.
	General Jerry Boykin for his analysis.
	You don't want to miss it.
	And of course, later today, we will be connecting with President Trump.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	What's the biggest economic story we're not talking about?
	It's the subject of tomorrow's podcast.
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	We're supposed to be the world's reserve currency.
	And wow, I mean, we don't have our foreign policy together.
	We've got the Fed meeting this weekend.
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	Hello, hello.
	Good to be here, Seb.
	So, Trish, it's a little bit like a hide-and-go-seek.
	You don't want to look in the obvious places for the news.
	We can't just talk about the disasters happening before our eyes in Kabul.
	Can you talk to us about the biggest economic story that we're not talking about, which is related, of course, to the events of the last two weeks?
	Sure.
	I mean, this is actually, it's funny you ask this, because this is the subject of tomorrow's podcast.
	Only because, you know what, I think it's important to think through all the ramifications of what happens from a foreign policy perspective, right?
	We get a disaster going on.
	That's been really clear.
	I mean, I don't care what side of the political aisle you are on right now.
	It is a disaster, that is fact, in Afghanistan.
	So you have to think about, okay, that's a disaster, there's a humanitarian cost that's awful, but what else is at stake here?
	One, I'll tell you something that's at stake.
	Rare earth minerals.
	One trillion dollars worth of rare earth minerals that have been discovered there in Afghanistan, including lithium.
	Lithium, which is so desperately needed for this whole green energy revolution, right?
	This is the stuff that powers the batteries that go in the electric vehicle cars.
	So, lithium is over there.
	We're basically effectively handing that to the Chinese, who already are leagues ahead of us.
	In terms of the battery production for EV vehicles.
	The other thing, Seb, is let's think about what this means for our U.S.
	dollars, okay?
	Because part of being sort of the strongest country in the world, the leader on the world stage, means you really do need to lead.
	Now, we may not have wanted to be in Afghanistan.
	I get it.
	I supported us getting out, but not like this.
	Not like this.
	And our allies are furious.
	So think about the fact that central banks all around the world, right, they hold U.S. dollars because, you know, U.S. dollars are sort of like gold, right?
	U.S. dollars are really well thought of.
	Well, what happens when you start really screwing up on the international stage with both foreign policy and also inflation, right?
	Because we get tons of inflation.
	The Fed's actually meeting.
	The meeting starts Friday in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, right?
	The big symposium that they do every single year.
	They're going to give us some thoughts on inflation, but they have been so off the mark now for so long.
	We've got inflation.
	We've got disaster worldwide in terms of our foreign policy.
	So at what point Do people say, you know, maybe I don't want to hold U.S.
	dollars anymore.
	Maybe this isn't the best place, right, for my money, and that will cost us big time.
	Now, I'm not saying it's going to happen, you know, tomorrow, but we do need to think about our reputation.
	And what if you were in that Fed meeting?
	What would you be whispering into the chairman's ear?
	What is the right way to go to at least try and ameliorate this lack of confidence in the Biden administration standing in the world that could hit the value of the dollar, Trish?
	Well, you've got to pay attention to inflation.
	My goodness, they keep saying we're watching employment.
	We're watching employment.
	Employment is 5.4.
	Unemployment is 5.4%.
	Don't you think you guys ought to be paying attention to inflation?
	Record-breaking inflation on producer prices.
	The PCE indicator and consumer prices up 5.4%.
	Think about it.
	If this continues, and by the way, I think it's going to get a lot worse, but let's assume that, you know, 5.4% is the new normal.
	In 20 years, we're basically looking at $100.
	Really, you would need about $300.
	to equate to $100 now.
	I mean, the inflation is just insane.
	And the $3.5 trillion, the $3.5 trillion, $3.5 trillion deal that the House inked yesterday, that draft plan?
	I mean, where is this money coming from?
	I mean, they're all high, because I'll tell you, we don't have it.
	And, you know, this is just going to drive even more inflation, which, you know what, is hardest on the people that they allegedly are trying to help, right?
	Middle-class Americans, poor Americans.
	When the cost of gas goes up, it's kind of annoying for those that have plenty of money, right?
	They have to pay more.
	When the cost goes up for a small family that's scraping to get by, it's the difference of, you know, whether they can They can really get to work and have enough money left over to buy food.
	I mean, inflation is robbing Americans of their standard of living.
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	Hey, Dr. Gorka.
	Hey.
	Listen, I had a theory as to why this moron of a president is giving away Afghanistan.
	And, you know, he's done everything he can to undermine Trump's accomplishments.
	And I think... You there, Herbie?
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	You've got to make it quick, my friend.
	I'm sorry.
	I think what he's trying to do is, in some bizarre way, is try to appease... trying to get back in the... Oh, crap.
	My mind went blank.
	The thing in... The Iran deal?
	Well, this does the opposite.
	You don't know the Iranian al-Shia and the Taliban al-Sunni.
	This makes it even more unlikely.
	It's just, I just can't, but he's trying to get back in it and I can't imagine why else he's giving everything away to the rest of the world.
	I think it's dead.
	I think the Iran deal is dead.
	After this disaster, there's no way even the Democrats are going to let him do that.
	But thank you for your comment.
	Thank you, Herbie.
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	John, what's your take?
	Dr. G., Joe Biden's cognitive impairments are not a new thing.
	If you go back and look at tape on him, he's just done stupid things all the way back to his run for president in 1988.
	He's plagiarized things.
	I mean, it's just incredible.
	I honestly believe, and I hope I'm wrong, I really do, that this is the absolute worst geopolitical blunder that has ever taking place in the United States, and that it could actually set up the preliminaries for World War III in less than 30 years.
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	With who?
	World War III with who?
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	You're listening to America First with Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald J. Trump.
	Do you think that General Patton was woke?
	I don't think so.
	What do you think, Mike?
	Mike, was he woke?
	I don't think so.
	I don't think he was too woke.
	He was the exact opposite.
	You know what woke means?
	It means you're a loser.
	That was President Trump in Alabama at the weekend at a record-breaking rally, and we are honored to have my former boss with us here on our national radio show, America First Across the Country, President Trump.
	Welcome back.
	Thank you very much, Sebastian.
	Mr. President, let's start at the beginning.
	How different was your approach to national security?
	There was no wokeism under the U.S.
	military when you were commander-in-chief.
	Talk to our millions of listeners across the country about your plans for Afghanistan, the conditions-based withdrawal, and what we have witnessed, the disaster we've witnessed in the last three weeks.
	Maybe the greatest, most embarrassing disaster we've ever witnessed in our country.
	The difference was almost, first of all, it was the opposite.
	It was the exact opposite.
	We knocked out ISIS.
	When I took in, when I took over, ISIS was all over the Middle East.
	We knocked out 100% of the ISIS caliphate.
	I notice now they call it ISIS-K, so you'll explain that.
	But we knocked out 100% of the ISIS caliphate.
	We took out al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS.
	And you know what else and who else we took out?
	We took out plenty, and we were in total control in terms of Kabul and in terms of Afghanistan.
	They weren't even close to us.
	We were going to get people, because I believe in getting out.
	21 years is enough.
	And we were like a police force over there, and they've got to take care of themselves.
	And as you know better than anybody, I predicted as soon as we leave, they would stop fighting.
	And they were fighting for a lot of money.
	They were among the highest-paid soldiers in the world, paid for by the American taxpayer.
	So that's exactly what happened.
	What we were going to do is get our citizens out, take out other people who deserve to be taken out.
	Then we're going to knock the hell out of the bases.
	But before we did that, we were going to take out all of our military equipment.
	I said, down to the nails and the screws and the bolts.
	Everything out, nice and easily.
	And then we take out the soldiers.
	And probably blow up the bases, because why should we give them to somebody else to use?
	So that was it.
	And Bagram, we were going to keep, because Bagram is near China, near Iran, and also in Afghanistan.
	So it covered a lot of territory.
	So I would have kept that.
	And it's a great area for exactly what it represents.
	So, you know, they spent billions and billions of dollars building it.
	That's the big Air Force base.
	So I think the biggest in the world, actually.
	So we would have kept that instead we fled like there was no reason for it.
	The soldiers come out last and the army the military comes out last after the people and after all of the eighty three billion dollars worth of the most highly sophisticated military equipment.
	Anywhere in the world, it is a disgrace what's taking place here, and an embarrassment to our country.
	This is the greatest embarrassment in the history of our country.
	There's never been anything like that.
	And we had — I had meetings through telephone calls with Abdul.
	And I explained to Abdul that if any soldiers, any Americans are hurt or anything, these were all conditions.
	We had a conditions-based deal.
	And they were living up to them.
	And when they didn't, we bombed the hell out of them.
	But they were living up to them.
	A couple of times they got slow, and we bombed them.
	And in 18 months, we haven't lost one American soldier because of that agreement.
	And if they came into — if they started hedging into Kabul, we would have — we sent out the F-18s, and we knocked the hell out of them, and they went immediately back.
	But we really didn't have to do that.
	He understood that they were going to be treated More harshly than any country, any time in the history of the world.
	And he understood that.
	And we had some very good discussions, some very tough discussions.
	But they understood that we would have gotten all our Americans out.
	All of everybody else that we wanted has to be vetted very carefully right now.
	They're just coming out by the thousands and guaranteed there'll be many terrorists in that group.
	And then we were going to take out the military equipment and it would have been very simple.
	In fact, when we left, nobody even would have known.
	And then they can continue to fight their civil war or whatever they've been doing for hundreds of years.
	Mr. President, the lying legacy media is supporting the Biden administration narrative that this is your plan.
	This is what you would have done.
	It is clear you've just communicated you had a conditions-based withdrawal plan you would have kept, Bagram.
	What would you be doing right now if you were the commander-in-chief, if one US citizen were hurt in Afghanistan, what would your response be and how would you use our special forces?
	Well, we're in a much worse position right now than we were when I had it.
	It was absolutely, we had it so locked down, we would have been able to leave so easily.
	And so, I mean, it would have just been a beautiful process.
	And then the only question was, probably you bombed the bases, because why should we give those bases to others?
	So we bombed — we would bomb the hell out of the bases, the various bases, other than Bagram, which we would have kept.
	But if you think about it, how can it be worse?
	So now it's a much more difficult position, because they have thousands of hostages, American hostages.
	You know, Jimmy Carter had a small number of hostages.
	Now they have thousands of American hostages, so it's much different.
	I would absolutely have a plan, but I don't want to say what the plan is because I think it would be inappropriate.
	But the idea that you would be taking orders from the Taliban like Joe Biden is?
	Ridiculous, because I dealt with Abdul and everybody else, and we were totally in charge.
	And they would have never come—they wouldn't have even tried to come into Kabul, even though Ghani—I always said he's a crook, 100 percent crooked, a bad leader, but a crooked guy.
	And he had the United States Senate wrapped around his finger.
	That was his only strength.
	He had the—he had Congress wrapped around his finger.
	That was his only strength.
	He wasn't liked.
	He wasn't respected.
	The government was corrupt.
	And I knew, I always said, I said it to you a couple of times.
	I said, as soon as we are thinking about leaving, he'll be the first one out the door.
	And that's that.
	And I guess he took, based on what I hear, he took plenty of cash.
	He did.
	Since I last saw you in Trump Tower in New York, let's talk about another connected issue.
	The situation on the southern border has escalated.
	It's even worse than it was a couple of months ago.
	Talk to us about what you're witnessing and how it is different from what you did for all the American people when you were the Commander-in-Chief.
	So when I left, we had the strongest border, southern border, in the history of our country.
	We had built almost 500 miles of wall, mostly finished.
	All he had to do is finish certain areas.
	It could have taken a month.
	And he said he's not going to do it.
	And it's shocking.
	But it still helped.
	And we had the best numbers we ever had.
	And they ought to finish that wall.
	It would take a month.
	And they got to paint the wall.
	Doesn't sound very glamorous, but you paint it or it rusts.
	And we were all set to start.
	And then we had a rigged election and the Numbers.
	I mean, it's so ridiculous what happened in that election.
	That election was totally rigged.
	It was rigged.
	It was stolen.
	It was corrupt.
	The most we've ever seen in our country in the history.
	I mean, more corrupt than most other elections in third world countries.
	So we had a rigged election and things changed and they took over.
	And as soon as they took over, they opened up our country to Prisoners to convicts to drug dealers and drug addicts and they opened it up to murderers and traffickers, human traffickers, mostly women.
	As soon as they took over, they destroyed it.
	It took them two months.
	Now, yesterday we had a big victory in the Supreme Court where the stay in Mexico, I had everybody staying in Mexico, couldn't come into the country, but where stay in Mexico was just upheld.
	And it was a big, big victory.
	But you see, it was really a big victory for the country because what was happening was people were coming in and they were just allowing them to spread all over the country.
	And when you talk about COVID, they weren't tested.
	They didn't wear masks and they didn't do vaccinations.
	They're infected people.
	Same thing with all of the people were taken out of Afghanistan.
	So those people are now being spread all over the world and they're not tested for COVID and they don't have masks.
	They don't have in I feel very badly for those people, but the whole world is going to get reinfected.
	And your reaction, your assessment of the woman who is meant to be in charge of the southern border who, when she's asked about it, nervously laughs or cackles and says, well, I haven't been to Europe yet.
	Or when she gets off the plane in Asia, Kamala is asked about the situation in Afghanistan and likewise laughs at the reporter asking questions.
	Your take on the person who's supposed to be securing the border?
	Well, it's very sad, and she didn't want that job, and she basically hasn't accepted that job, because it would look like she's not doing anything on the border.
	He's not doing anything.
	We have open borders where millions of people are pouring through those borders, and I'm not talking thousands or hundreds of thousands.
	I'm talking about millions and millions of people are coming up through those borders, and they're coming in from the Middle East as well as Mexico and other places.
	We're going to continue our discussion with President Trump, my former boss in the White House, 45th Commander-in-Chief here on the Salem Radio Network.
	If you want to continue listening to our discussion, we are video streaming it at Rumble.com.
	Mr. President, I have to ask you, we're very excited.
	I've said publicly here on America First, I've said it on numerous interviews on Newsmax and elsewhere, that before I saw you recently in New York, I had a 95% certitude that you would be running again.
	After I saw you, I said it is a 99.9% certitude that you're running.
	If you run, as far as I'm concerned, you're going to win.
	What is a second administration going to be like?
	And as far as I'm concerned, if I may, as a former insider, the key question is going to be personnel.
	We need to build the bench that helps staff you and doesn't subvert you.
	What are your plans?
	What would the second term look like?
	And who's going to build that bench for you, sir?
	Well, first of all, for your listeners, you did a fantastic job.
	You were terrific.
	I deal with you a lot.
	And I dealt with you after you went out and made a fortune.
	I hope you're making a fortune anyway, but I think you are, based on your ratings.
	But I dealt with you a lot, and that's why I do your show, and I don't do a lot of other shows.
	I do people that I respect and people that have been fair, and you've been — really, I congratulate you.
	But you were very important, and the great job that you did.
	You have a knowledge — I heard the word strategist mentioned in the opening, that you were a strategist.
	And that's really what Biden needs.
	He needs somebody to help him because our country is embarrassed.
	Our country has never been embarrassed like they are right now.
	In the speech in Alabama where we had a massive crowd, they say 68,000 people showed up in the rain.
	It was rain and thunder.
	And we put up, I put up, I had the idea the morning of, this was Saturday, the morning of Put up the General Patton, the opening monologue that he does in the movie Patton, which I don't know if it got the Academy Award or very close.
	And I think George C. Scott did get the Academy Award.
	But we put up the opening monologue and I said, that is not a woke general, but it's a general that knows how to win.
	And we have guys that are more interested in things that have nothing to do with our military.
	It's really what's going on now is Crazy.
	With our whole country.
	With our whole country.
	What you're doing now to our country is absolutely frightening.
	Well, you kind of nailed it.
	You summarized the reality of the culture war in those famous lines at the weekend.
	It's inspired us.
	We've even got new t-shirts.
	If you agree with the president, You need to check out.
	If you're woke, that means you're a loser.
	We've designed them already.
	You can get them at the sebgorkastore.com.
	It says, if you're woke, you're a loser.
	And that's straight from my former boss, President Trump.
	Mr. Trump, President Trump, can I ask you a very serious question about, look, the people love you.
	They come out in their tens of thousands.
	As somebody said on my show, there is nobody since FDR.
	Who can move tens of thousands of people with the love that you have, Mr. President.
	What is your message to those?
	There are a lot of people out there who voted for you twice, who after last November have said, that's it, it's over, I give up, they're gonna steal it again.
	What do you say to those Americans who've lost hope, Mr. President?
	Well, first of all, one of the reasons they come out in the kind of numbers when you have 60, 70, 80,000 people showing up.
	We did one in Florida that was massive.
	We did one in Ohio that was incredible.
	I mean, it's there's never been there has actually never been anything like this, this whole movement of America first.
	Or you could say make America great again.
	There are plenty of definitions, but there's never been a movement like this.
	And they are looking for hope.
	And you know what happened in the last election is terrible.
	So we won two elections.
	We did better the second time, by the way.
	I don't know if you know that, Sebastian, but we got 12 million more votes the second time.
	We did much better the second time than we did the first time.
	But when something's rigged, it's rigged.
	And my message to them, we may have to do it a third time.
	Okay, that's the bottom line.
	But my message to them is, Keep fighting.
	Keep strong.
	We're not going to let it happen.
	They're not going to take our country away.
	It's going to be bigger and better and stronger than ever, but we're going to have to do something because we have some very, very sick people.
	They're very evil, too.
	We've got a lot of evil people, but we've got people that I really believe do not love our country.
	You gave one of the two most impressive speeches you gave during my time in the White House, as far as I'm concerned, were the very first address to Congress, to the joint session, and then afterwards, your Warsaw speech.
	I just want to play a very small snippet to remind people of what a commander-in-chief looks like, and then to ask you how this applies today with the Taliban.
	This is your first address to the joint session of Congress, and you're discussing the then-threat of ISIS.
	Cut to.
	I directed the Department of Defense to develop a plan to demolish and destroy ISIS, a network of lawless savages that have slaughtered Muslims and Christians and men and women and children of all faiths and all beliefs.
	We will work with our allies, including our friends and allies in the Muslim world, to extinguish this vile enemy from our planet.
	Since then, we have seen very disturbing things, Mr. President.
	We have a Secretary of Defense called Lloyd Austin testifying on Capitol Hill, saying he's going to hunt down enemies inside the armed forces.
	We've got Mark Milley saying that he's fine with critical race theory.
	He doesn't know what it is.
	But it's great and he loves studying white rage because he's white.
	How concerned are you and how tough will it be for you?
	What plans do you have for your second term to deal with the woke-ification, the politicization of the greatest military the world has ever seen, Mr. President?
	Well, when you say the greatest military the world has ever seen, as I said, woke is losers.
	And I used another word to describe woke, but we won't use it on your radio show.
	I can do that at a rally, but I'd rather not use it on your radio show.
	You know the word I'm talking about.
	That's woke.
	And take a look at what happened.
	You know, you talk about the greatest military, but take a look at what happened in Afghanistan.
	I mean, we beat the Nazis, but look at this.
	We're being sent out of Afghanistan.
	And frankly, the August 31st aid is not being lengthened because they're not allowing him to do it.
	It's not because of him.
	It's because they're not allowing him any more time.
	Whoever thought this was possible?
	So with this woke culture, our military is going to be a loser and the whole country is going to be a loser.
	So the bottom line is we have to change it.
	And it was all done by an election that was just fraudulent.
	It was a fraudulent election.
	And this is how we have it.
	And, you know, they're changing the whole culture.
	We're becoming a communist state.
	Everybody's being prosecuted.
	There are prosecutors all over the place.
	They're using the Justice Department and local prosecutors at a level that nobody's seen before.
	All of the things that are happening, this is like a communist country that's being run.
	And it's a disgrace.
	I will tell you, Bill Barr certainly didn't do this stuff.
	And, you know, he was He got a little scared when they started talking they were going to impeach him.
	But this is a terrible thing that's happening to our country.
	What's happening to our country is happening at a level that we've never seen before.
	And in addition to that, we're really losing our military.
	Because who would think that our military is fleeing Afghanistan?
	We had it under total control.
	And I let the leader know, you will be hit like no country's ever been hit.
	And he fully understood that.
	He wasn't going to do anything.
	And again, we didn't lose a soldier in 18 months because of me, because of our agreement.
	It was a very strong agreement.
	And if they didn't fulfill all the conditions, then we bombed the hell out of them.
	We were in the strongest position.
	It was not possible for us to lose.
	And I wanted to get out.
	As we were there long enough, we were there 21 years like a police force.
	I wanted to get out.
	And we would have gotten out with total dignity.
	It would have actually been a win.
	It would have been a win.
	Now we're getting out with the worst loss in the history of our country, in the history of our military.
	Yesterday, the GOP received a classified briefing behind closed doors from the Pentagon and the intelligence community, Mr. President.
	Afterwards, A man who is not known for his hyperbole, the chairman of the committee, Mike McCaul, said, we will not be able to get all Americans out by the deadline and there will be blood on Biden's hands.
	Is there any scenario under your commandership as the president that you would have left Americans in Afghanistan?
	Zero.
	Now, some might want to stay there.
	You know, you have all different kinds of people, and people, that's why you have menus in restaurants.
	People order different things, okay?
	There's some people probably, possibly want to stay there.
	Even Americans, maybe, for whatever reason.
	But people who want to get out, would you have left anybody there who wanted to get out?
	No, no.
	Anybody wanted to get out, they would have come out, and they would have come out in an orderly manner.
	It wouldn't be rushed out, and if you don't have it by August 31st...
	We're going to leave you there?
	Because once we leave—but we're being pushed around by them.
	Biden is being dictated to by the Taliban.
	It's not even possible to believe.
	And ISIS is tougher than Taliban, and we wiped out—I wiped out 100 percent of the ISIS caliphate.
	You know that.
	You were there.
	Yes.
	And by the way, the caliphate was building and building and building at a level that nobody's seen.
	Obama and Biden lost total control.
	I wiped it out.
	You know, we have great generals in there, but you don't know them.
	They're not the television generals.
	They're the real generals.
	Is it fair to say, would you use the word surrender when it comes to Biden and the Taliban?
	Is that what he's doing in Afghanistan today?
	A total and complete surrender.
	I've never seen anything like it.
	For no reason.
	We had it so powerful.
	They wouldn't have done anything until we were gone.
	Then they can go back to their civil war, but they wouldn't have had much of one because I always said Ghani would be gone.
	Everybody would flee.
	You know, that's what happened.
	I mean, let's face it.
	It's ridiculous.
	We paid so much money.
	We paid them salaries and they were there to collect the salary.
	You know that.
	So do I. So does everyone.
	And I said it's going to once once we leave, I said before we leave, Ghani will be gone.
	He'll take cash.
	You know, everything I said has turned out to be exactly right.
	But we should leave.
	There's no reason.
	We're spending $40 billion a year in Afghanistan, $40 billion.
	Russia's entire budget is $50 billion.
	We were spending $40 billion a year in Afghanistan.
	And obviously, when you look at what happened, you know, a lot of people are saying, oh, the soldiers fought.
	They fought because they were being paid a lot of money by the U.S.
	taxpayer.
	Just to translate that, it is a huge sum of money.
	Let's translate that.
	It's $60 million a day.
	The United States has invested $60 million every single day for 20 years.
	It is a disgrace.
	We're continuing our discussion with President Trump.
	Mr. Trump, it is clear That the left has become radical.
	This is a party that is socialist or communist.
	They want to destroy this country, not just the squad, but also the other radical elements.
	However, it is my contention as somebody who served in the White House, who saw the extent of the deep state at the highest levels of our U.S.
	government, that perhaps the greatest threat is the permanent state, is the deep state.
	How aggressive will you be in your second term to root out those who don't believe the American people get to choose their president?
	So we had some people in my first term.
	They've been there a long time, but they are deep state.
	There's no question about it.
	Look, I had great people.
	I had a lot of great people.
	We rebuilt the military.
	We rebuilt.
	Can you imagine?
	A lot of the things that I bought for our military have been handed over.
	Eighty three billion dollars have been handed over to the Taliban.
	It's not even believable that this could have happened by Biden.
	But we rebuilt the military.
	We did so many things.
	We were so good on health care.
	People don't realize it.
	We were so good on every aspect, including the fact that we cut taxes more than any other administration in history.
	We cut regulations.
	That's why our jobs were so good.
	We had more jobs than — we had the greatest economy in history, probably the greatest economy in the history of the world.
	We had 160 million jobs.
	We've never even come close to that over the years, and certainly not even now.
	But I rebuilt the economy twice.
	I rebuilt it before COVID.
	I built it before COVID, and then rebuilt it after COVID.
	But, you see, COVID's coming back.
	Now, if I were President and COVID came back, there'd be front-page stories.
	They don't even mention it with Biden.
	But COVID's coming back.
	I mean, you look at the numbers.
	The numbers are, in some cases, worse than they were before.
	And nobody blames Biden.
	But if you look at Afghanistan, you look at COVID coming back.
	You look at many other things, including high taxes, high gasoline prices.
	The economy is going to be ruined because it's all phony, it's all fake.
	They're just pouring free money into the economy.
	You look at what's going on.
	We're going to have an interesting period of time for the next three or four years.
	That I can tell you.
	Not good.
	When it comes to COVID on China, I want to publicly recognize the debt of gratitude I have to you, Mr. President.
	You said originally that hydroxychloroquine is a game changer.
	When I caught COVID, I took it and I had three days of the sniffles.
	That's how powerful Your leadership is.
	It is sad that that reality is being denied.
	Today, Biden allegedly has been briefed by the intelligence community on a report that says it is inconclusive whether the China virus came from Wuhan.
	Your reaction to that unbelievable report being given to Biden?
	Well, it came from Wuhan and it came from China.
	They don't even talk about it coming from China.
	And, you know, they protect China, but because they're all making a lot of money out of China.
	A lot of money.
	A lot of money.
	They're all making money out of China.
	And, you know, they do the Russia, Russia, Russia thing.
	That was another hoax.
	One of the many hoaxes.
	But now it's China's a threat.
	We can get along with China and we can get along.
	I liked President Xi until the COVID came.
	We had a great relationship.
	Once that came, I call it the China virus.
	Once that came, It was a different kind of a deal, but I always had a good relationship with him, and he treated us with great respect.
	He's not treating them with respect, but he treated us with great respect.
	And the vulnerability of this administration to blackmail or other national security threats, given the existence of the laptops from hell that we now know actually belong to Biden's son, how much of a national security threat is that, Mr. President?
	Well, they're very, very vulnerable to threats because I guess Hunter has at least one or two because if you look at the last tape from two weeks ago that, by the way, the mainstream media doesn't report.
	You know, that would have been five, six, seven years ago.
	That would have been the biggest story of the year.
	That laptop where he's talking to whoever he's talking to.
	I don't know where she came from.
	But that whole thing is that is a massive scandal, but they don't talk about it.
	It's not on the mainstream media.
	Look, the mainstream media is so dishonest.
	You have a laptop that and I think maybe I was the first one to call it the laptop.
	Now it's called the laptops from hell.
	Yes.
	That is unbelievable information that he's worried about coming out.
	So there seems like there's another one if you listen to that conversation.
	No, they're very, very vulnerable.
	There's no question about it.
	Mr. President, I want to thank you on behalf of the 74 million Americans who voted for you.
	You didn't have to run for the presidency.
	You were famous enough, rich enough.
	You didn't need this job.
	You did it.
	And I want to thank the First Lady as well for putting up with The disgusting calumny, the attacks for four years that still continue against you and your whole family.
	What is your message?
	We have 3 million listeners and we have millions of followers on social media, on our video streams.
	What is your message to the 74 million people who voted for you and the future of America?
	Yeah, and it's much higher than that number, actually, as it's turning out.
	Much, much higher than that number.
	My message is keep the faith.
	Keep praying.
	Keep working.
	Don't give up.
	Don't ever give up.
	We're going to bring our country back.
	We made America great.
	We're going to make it great again and again, because it's really, you know, make America great again.
	Now it's make America great again, again, if you think about it.
	But just keep fighting.
	Keep your spirit going, because the spirit now is greater than I've ever seen it, Sebastian.
	I've never seen the spirit as strong as it is right now.
	And we will end up doing some incredible things in the not-too-distant future.
	And you're never giving up?
	You're never giving up, are you, sir?
	Never give up.
	Ever.
	We can never give up.
	And we can never let things like happened in Afghanistan happen again.
	That's a disgrace.
	The greatest embarrassment in the history of our country.
	Thank you, sir, for taking time to share your views and your future plans with all of our millions of listeners here on the Salem Radio Network with me on America First.
	God bless you, God bless your family, and please keep doing what you do.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka taking your calls in response to the President's exclusive interview here on America First.
	And don't forget, we started the interview with that cut.
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	Okay, guys.
	Wow.
	Wow, wow, wow.
	Where to begin?
	Where to begin?
	He told us what he would have done.
	No American left behind in Afghanistan.
	He told the Taliban, if you do not comply with what we want, you will be crushed.
	And remember, this is the man.
	Yes, delicious chocolate cake at Mar-a-Lago, whispered into Xi Jinping's ear, the communist premier, the dictator of China.
	By the way, I just dropped 53 cruise missiles on the dictatorship of Syria, on Assad's regime, because they were again going to use chemical weapons.
	I saw the intelligence.
	I can't talk about it, but it was true.
	They were going to attack civilians again.
	And he took action.
	And that was a message.
	Not just for Syria.
	That wasn't a message just for China.
	That was a message for all bloodthirsty dictators like the Taliban.
	And you know one thing for sure.
	There is absolutely no way on God's green earth that what we are witnessing today in Afghanistan would have occurred if that man was still Commander-in-Chief.
	The idea that the CIA director is sent off to Kabul to talk to the Taliban.
	And the Taliban says, extend the deadline?
	No, not happening.
	And the CIA director, tail between his legs, comes back to D.C., tells sleepy, creepy Biden, and Biden says, oh, in that case, we're not extending the deadline.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Laura, line one, welcome to America First.
	Oh, hello.
	Oh, my God.
	We need Donald Trump back.
	Our country needs him.
	He is the greatest.
	He will never be former.
	He will always be president.
	Did that make you feel good?
	Did that interview make you feel good?
	Oh my God, yes.
	You don't know how much.
	My heart's throbbing.
	I love Donald Trump.
	I wear my shirt with pride.
	That man is just amazing.
	We need him back.
	We need Donald Trump now.
	You heard him.
	Did you hear what he said?
	He said he's never ever giving up.
	He's not giving up on you.
	He's not giving up on me.
	He's not giving up on America.
	So what's the conclusion?
	It's very easy.
	It's up to us.
	It's up to us to get him back in the White House.
	God bless you.
	Thank you for your calls.
	More of your calls and special guests here on America First.
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	All right!
	All right, we made it happen.
	Without a hitch.
	That was awesome, by the way.
	Oh, hi Jen.
	Hey!
	She's just suddenly here.
	That was the coolest thing ever.
	I was listening intently.
	Thank you, thank you, thank you.
	I needed whiskey.
	I haven't drunk for 18 years, but I'd like a double whiskey right now.
	Well, you rocked.
	And my favorite thing, like, I got goosebumps for you when he said, well, you know, you were there.
	I mean, how freaking cool is that?
	The president of the United States is saying, you know, you were there.
	I mean, that's amazing.
	Kudos to you.
	That's so cool.
	Well, Jen was actually upset yesterday when she was bumped.
	She wouldn't know who she was getting bumped for.
	I did.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Who's bumping me?
	What kind of person is bumping me?
	And she said, I'm only doing it if Trump's bumping me.
	If it's a Trump dump.
	If it's a Trump episode, it's okay.
	And then I'm on her show and I forgot to mention it.
	How about that?
	Hey, but we plugged it.
	We plugged it all day.
	Thank you.
	All day today.
	Hey guys, put up the t-shirt.
	We gotta get one for Jen.
	Put the t-shirt up.
	Yeah, right.
	How'd you like our new t-shirt?
	Oh, let me see.
	I'm gonna connect, right?
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	Call us up.
	I see you.
	There.
	Yep.
	You see us?
	Answering the phone.
	Ooh, I need some darker lipstick.
	And video starting.
	Darker lipstick!
	Boom.
	We see you.
	If you're woke, you're a loser.
	Okay, let's see these t-shirts.
	Oh my gosh, I want the red one, please.
	All right, red one.
	Got it.
	I haven't even got mine yet.
	We designed it yesterday on the phone.
	I love it.
	It's so cool.
	Hey Seb, you wanted to do food here?
	Okay.
	Jen, would you mind adjusting your camera down a little bit?
	Paul Jacobs, okay for food?
	Yeah, okay.
	I got it ready.
	Do you want to come in with it?
	Yeah.
	Okay, let's see.
	Okay, what do we want to do here?
	Could you move it down a little bit?
	Less headroom.
	That seems about right.
	Yeah, that's good.
	Thank you.
	Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.
	So how long was that, Jeff?
	35 minutes, I think, 36.
	Beautiful.
	I started recording it from the moment I started recording to the end.
	It was 29 minutes, 27 seconds.
	That'll be episode one.
	So awesome.
	Do you want to tell the people then to get it?
	It's a different podcast.
	Yes.
	But are we, but it's YouTube, right?
	Or are we doing podcast as well?
	What are we doing?
	Podcast, yeah.
	Podcast.
	Okay.
	And it's, it's going to be what?
	America first one-on-one, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And they can already find it, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, good.
	30 seconds.
	Standby.
	Am I standing by?
	Food for the poor, coming in with gratitude.
	Thank you.
	Gratitude should be our attitude, because we have come through a very trying time, these 18 months, and we turn that gratitude back to God.
	But God doesn't need our dollars.
	What is He going to do with physical money?
	He does it through us and to a channel of people who, for no fault of their own, Saturday, endured a 7.2 magnitude earthquake, communities that have been left in rubble.
	Gratitude should be our attitude.
	He's so right.
	Paul Jacobs of Food for the Poor, who was with us last week.
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	Okay.
	Do you like the Austin Powers movies?
	They kind of got worse as they went along, but the first one is funny.
	And what is that phrase he had?
	And I'm spent.
	And that's how I feel right now.
	This radio show is, for me, not a high-pressure job.
	I love it.
	I love it like a radio listener, not just on the other side of the mic.
	But having President Trump on for 40 minutes... What do you think, Jen?
	Have I got a good excuse to be a little tired?
	I am so excited for you, for this program.
	You did a stellar, stellar job.
	I've been listening, and boy, what an opening act for our show, huh?
	Yes, pretty good warm-up act.
	Pretty good warm-up act.
	I know, that was pretty good, right?
	And you don't mind being bumped, right?
	You don't mind being bumped a couple of segments for the president, right?
	I can get dumped for Trump.
	That's for sure.
	But I want to tell you, I was, and I told you this off the air, but I think it's worth mentioning.
	I was sitting here listening and knowing you as, as my friend, and we've known each other for a few years now.
	And I heard the president say, well, you know, you were there and I had goosebumps.
	I mean, it was the coolest, most exciting thing because you were there, you were in the White House.
	Think about how you've come full circle and now you're interviewing your old boss and you did great.
	He was fantastic.
	I love it.
	I think you should do it every week.
	It's fun.
	Oh, I like that.
	I like that a lot.
	It's funny, though, because I went through a phase of, do I introduce myself as former strategist, worked in the White House, or don't I?
	After the election, I did it less.
	And now I thought, hey, with the world on fire, I guess it's okay, isn't it?
	To remind people that I was inside the White House.
	Is that bad?
	No, believe me, if it were me, that's how I would lead.
	Hi, I worked in the White House.
	No way!
	It's something to be proud of.
	You're someone whose parents had the story that they did in coming to this country.
	You worked inside the White House.
	You are the American dream.
	And so you should be proud of that and tell everyone.
	And who cares?
	I mean, I think you've got to scream it off the rooftops.
	That's great to have friends like you.
	She's Jennifer Horne.
	She's the West Coast Warrior Princess, host of The Morning Answer.
	Follow her at Jennifer Horne on Twitter.
	Okay, let's get to California.
	Is Larry Elder gonna win?
	Come on, what's happening?
	Boy, Seb, it is sure looking more and more like that.
	He just did, well, he's been doing rallies up and down the state.
	Los Angeles Times has been the story.
	This hit piece of the hit piece of the hit piece.
	It's amazing that you can say all sorts of racist things as long as the target is a conservative.
	They called him the black face of white supremacy.
	It is absolutely crazy what they're allowed to get away with.
	I mean, the hit pieces keep coming.
	But I almost think it's just bolstering his chances.
	He's leading Gavin Newsom in Google searches, and this is great.
	The top Google search for Larry Elder, like the top three terms, are Larry Elder, Larry Elder for Governor, Larry Elder for Governor website.
	Well, Gavin Newsom, who is number two on the list of candidates with the recall, who is getting searched for as well, Gavin Newsom, French Laundry, Gavin Newsom, Dinner, and Gavin Newsom, Thanksgiving.
	So those are not favorable searches for the governor, and it's going to be close.
	The unions are going to be out there working for Gavin Newsom.
	The ballots are already out.
	This is a mail-in election.
	So we'll have to see what happens, but I think the chances look really, really good.
	Or better than they have in at least the last 20 years.
	So here's a big question, given the debacle of last year.
	When do we know the results by in California?
	It's a great question.
	I've heard, and I've been trying to get to the bottom of that, I've heard that all of the early voting that happens is supposed to be tabulated by election day, and then they are going to be adding the day of votes as the polls close.
	So hopefully it won't take too long, but I've seen that some people are saying we may not know for a couple of weeks.
	Now, my inclination is we will know sooner than that, but you never know what happens.
	I would have made a different prediction when it came to That's the phrase he's using?
	That it's a mail-in only?
	is that Gavin Newsom keeps talking about a mail-in only election.
	If you're listening in California, he is lying.
	Yes, you have a mail-in ballot, but you can vote in person.
	That's the phrase he's using, that it's a mail-in only?
	Yes.
	All.
	That's a lie.
	It is a lie.
	He calls it an all-mail-in election and just because everybody has a ballot doesn't mean that you can't show up and vote in person or even do early voting.
	You just have to go to the Secretary of State website and find out where to go and you can take ballots with you.
	I talked to someone today who said don't trust the post office because the union is very much in the pocket of Gavin Newsom.
	They said if you're mailing them in, make sure you drop them in a post office box.
	Don't necessarily hand it to your local mail carrier.
	Wow.
	Is that amazing that we have to think about that?
	That is scummy, scummy, scummy.
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	That's Craig Huey that told me that, that there are so many things going on.
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	Welcome dear friends to America First one-on-one where we get to just get to know our special guests a little bit better and also dig deeper onto the big issues of the day.
	One of which you can't deny is the rise of wokeism.
	It's no longer political correctness.
	It is far far beyond that.
	It is an ideology of hatred of bigotry that has infected not just academe but also our schools down to the pre-k level.
	And of course, now, corporate life.
	Somebody who's mapped that infectious spread of the ideology of wokeness is the author of a brand new book.
	He is, I tell you, he's almost as hard to get on the show as President Trump, but we've got him just a week after the publication of Woke Inc.
	Delighted to have Vivek Ramaswamy with us.
	Vivek, welcome to One on One with America First.
	Glad to be here.
	So first things first, let's tell those who aren't familiar with the book or with yourself, your journey.
	It's a fascinating journey, biotech, investment, entrepreneurship, and now your book.
	So tell our millions of listeners and viewers across America who Vivek is.
	Yeah, look, I'll give it to you in a nutshell in a couple minutes.
	So my parents came to this country in the late 70s and early 80s in Cincinnati, Ohio.
	I still live in Ohio today.
	They didn't have much money, but they did have an education, and that's what they helped me and my brother get to.
	I was born and raised all the way through Cincinnati.
	Went to Harvard for college in 2003.
	I was a nerdy science guy, so I spent most of my time in the lab.
	When I graduated, I actually went in a different direction and got into biotech investing.
	Joined a hedge fund in New York in late 2007, right before the 2008 financial crisis, which was an eye-opening experience for me.
	And something that I talk about in much more detail in the book, too, and actually I think relates to the topic of woke capitalism.
	But we'll come back to that.
	I told my bosses three years in that I had never scratched an itch that I had in law and political philosophy, having been a science guy all the way through.
	So I told them I was leaving and I went to Yale Law School for three years.
	They did something surprising.
	They said, actually, I should keep my job and that they would allow me to manage a portfolio from there during those three years.
	So I did that.
	As a hedge fund portfolio manager, at the same time I attended Yale Law School, graduated in 2013.
	And after I graduated, I had a new itch.
	I was really irritated by a lot of what I saw in the biopharma industry.
	Incredible managerialism, bureaucracy, something I write about in the book and I think is related to wokeness too.
	But anyway, that actually led me to leave my job as an investor and to start a company, which I started in 2014, called Roivind.
	And I've built the company.
	I led it as CEO for seven years.
	It had its ups and downs as happens in biotech, but thankfully it went on to be a success in the end.
	It's now a $7 billion, multi-billion dollar company, and it is a company that has thankfully developed drugs for patients who needed them, including a couple drugs that are now FDA approved.
	The one I'm most proud of is a drug for prostate cancer.
	But that being said, I stepped down as CEO earlier this year to not only publish this book, but work on, as you said, a different kind of cancer.
	It is a new disease that is affecting One major institution after the next.
	And I really felt like it was a disease that threatened the very dream that allowed me to achieve everything I ever have in my life.
	Something that we call the American dream.
	The idea that no matter who you are or where you came from or what your skin color is, you can achieve anything you ever want in this country.
	And I truly believe in that.
	I think it is the defining creed of America.
	And I think that creed was under attack at behest of not only the new woke movement, But the merger of wokeness with capitalism itself that I believe created a new threat, probably the biggest threat to liberty and prosperity in our country.
	So that's why I wrote the book.
	That's why I'm doing what I'm doing now.
	I wasn't free to speak freely as a CEO, but now I am as an ordinary citizen and I'm taking advantage of that to the fullest extent to get my message out there.
	Well, that's a very, very brave decision, yes, to move from being a very successful entrepreneur to grapple with head-on this political infection of really the market environment.
	We'll talk about how it has affected the market, how it's distorted the Supply-and-demand reality of what should be just a science-based activity.
	But first, you mentioned something that had a big effect on your own journey, and that was the market crash and the way that the corporate sector dealt with that.
	Explain the significance.
	It seems like ancient history now, but why is 2008 such an important event for us all Americans to understand, entrepreneurs and just regular taxpayers?
	Well, there are so many reasons why the 2008 financial crisis is a fountainhead of learnings for us.
	I won't go through all of them here.
	I go through a lot of them in the book.
	One of them is that when you have social policy guiding investment decisions, that leads to a bubble that often hurts the very people it's supposed to help.
	And there, I'm referring to the agenda of the government fostering homeownership through artificial loans via Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, government policy that said every American needed to own a home.
	Well, guess what?
	The people that hurt the most Were the people who were lent money that ultimately couldn't afford to buy a home and ultimately were hurt by the crash in the end.
	But there's a lot of lessons that I could go on side tangents on.
	The one that I focus on in the book is I actually think that's when corporate wokeness was born.
	Because after the 2008 financial crisis, corporations were the bad guys in the eyes of the old left.
	What the old left wanted to do was to take money from those wealthy corporate fat cats and redistribute it to poor people to help poor people.
	And agree or not, that's what the old left wanted to do.
	But there was a new woke left that was emerging right around, there was a new diversity movement in America.
	And corporations jumped on it because if you're corporate America or if you're Wall Street, Occupy Wall Street is actually a pretty difficult pill to swallow.
	But the new woke stuff was easy.
	You applaud diversity and inclusion.
	You put some token minorities on your boards.
	You muse about the racially disparate impact of climate change after you fly in a private jet to Davos.
	It is a pretty good life.
	I was in that world, I can tell you.
	It is not a bad life.
	But the most important part of the trick was to keep quiet about it because the way it worked is there was a quiet arranged marriage with the new woke left.
	And the way it worked was we will lend our money and our legitimacy to advancing your agenda, but we don't do it for free.
	Speaking as big business, the thing that we do is we demand that the new Democratic Party, that the new left look the other way when it comes to leaving our corporate power intact.
	And that is the trade, the defining trade of the last 10 years.
	I think it's the scam of our generation.
	A bunch of big banks got together with a bunch of woke millennials.
	Together they birthed woke capitalism.
	And that's what allowed them to put Occupy Wall Street up for adoption.
	But it worked so well that the rest of the corporate sector started jumping on that same trade.
	Silicon Valley started censoring content that the new woke left did not want to see online.
	But again, they didn't do it for free.
	They effectively demanded that the new Democratic Party look the other way.
	When it came to leaving their monopoly power intact.
	And again, that trade has worked so masterfully that it's allowed companies from Coca-Cola to United Airlines to Nike to Unilever to change the topic of conversation away from their actual business practices, which they'd rather not be talking about, to spouting really, really platitudes about advancing the new woke agenda, but which blow this new brand of woke smoke to avoid accountability and deflect accountability for the kinds of things they'd rather not be talking about.
	Each side got something out of the trade.
	I describe it in the book as an arranged marriage, not one of love, but more like mutual prostitution.
	But it's working as long as each side gets something out of the trade.
	And that's where we are today.
	So I think you've kind of answered the question.
	We're talking to the author of Woke Inc, Vivek Ramaswamy.
	It sounds as if the CEOs I really don't believe any of this garbage.
	They'll lecture us.
	The CEO of United will come in that stupid ad when you get on the plane and talk about zero carbon emissions as he's jetting around the world in his private jet.
	Is that your determination?
	That this is just making the right noises, but none of these people, not Coca-Cola, not IBM, not Nike, don't believe any of this garbage or do they?
	80% of it is what you said.
	It's really a cynical arrangement.
	It's an arranged marriage.
	They're saying what they need to say to get by, to aggregate profit and power.
	The defining rule, the cardinal rule number one, is you pretend like you care about something other than profit and power, precisely to gain more of each.
	That is 80% of it.
	I detail a lot of that in the book.
	I think it's the defining scam of our century.
	Was there a moment?
	Sorry, carry on, Vivek.
	Yeah, I was just going to say the remaining 20% is actually even more scary than the 80% who are using it cynically.
	And in those cases, It is not actually people who need to make an extra buck, but people who want to exercise raw power by foisting their own views on everybody else.
	Democracy be damned in the process.
	And I think that that is something that is even the greater threat to democracy, where you take someone like a Jack Dorsey.
	All right.
	He doesn't need another dollar.
	He has billions of dollars.
	He doesn't need another dollar.
	The rate limiter to Jack Dorsey's power isn't the amount of money that he has.
	It is the scope of what money itself can buy.
	And in his case, I think he may actually authentically believe in the ideology that he's pushing.
	It's not to make another buck for Twitter.
	It is to take advantage of his seat of market power to be able to flex muscle in the marketplace of ideas by deciding what ideas can and can't be debated in our democracy.
	And while I wrote the book, mostly motivated to call out and shine sunlight on the scam, the scamming kind of woke capitalism where corporations are doing it just to make an extra buck.
	I came out of it realizing that even though that's most of the story, the part of the story that's most frightening is actually the emergence of the Dutch East India Company here in the United States, where we have powerful corporations that are using their power in the marketplace to exercise power in every other sphere of our lives, sometimes even authentically foisting their beliefs onto us, and sometimes I actually feel that's the most dangerous of all.
	A fascinating parallel, the modern Dutch East India Company.
	We will unpack it momentarily with our very special guest here on America First 101, Vivek Ramaswamy, author of Woking.
	Vivek, let's unpack that concept.
	For those who aren't familiar, why don't you enlighten us as to the power of the Dutch East India Company.
	how it basically was an imperial force unto itself and why you see parallels today with these companies that, truth be told, these aren't American companies.
	I mean, you know, Facebook or Nike or Amazon, these aren't American anymore because these are companies that have, quote-unquote, GDPs larger than most countries.
	So why have you brought back this ancient construct to describe what's happening today?
	Well, look, these were companies, the Dutch East India Company, for example, that exercised state-like power in their day.
	They had their own private militia.
	They had their own currency.
	Echoes of Facebook's cryptocurrency, by the way.
	We'll come back to that.
	But they were companies that had their own hospitals.
	They did social good.
	They had state-like power.
	And the American model was to reject that.
	We did not want the Dutch East India Company to be born in the United States.
	So we said, there's this thing called Should maximizing shareholder value, which said that even though we're going to give corporations great benefits like limited liability, limited liability for their shareholders, which makes corporations incredibly powerful.
	We have a reverse side of that, which is the grand bargain that says that in return for these great gifts, like limited liability.
	We demand that corporations stay in their lane and focus on maximizing profit, making goods and services for people who need them, so you stay in the sphere of the market, but leaving other spheres of our lives, like democracy, like our religious lives, like our family lives, alone.
	That was the grand bargain at the inception of the American corporation.
	We're going to create Frankenstein's monster, but Dr. Frankenstein is going to keep him in the cage.
	Well, what's happened now is the monster has left the cage and is now exercising power, not just in the market, but over our democracy and over our politics and in every other aspect of our lives.
	And I'll tell you, modern Silicon Valley is the Dutch East India Company on steroids, because even though they had a corporate militia, they couldn't control who said what or what thoughts could be acceptable in the sphere of public debate.
	That is what Facebook and Twitter and Google do today.
	In a religious sense, I was actually heard of a Catholic priest who described the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit of our time as Facebook, Google, and Twitter.
	That is the level of power that they ultimately exercise over not just the products we buy or the ads we see, but the very ideas we are permitted to discuss openly in public.
	And I'll tell you this, a good measure of the health of any democracy is the percentage of people who actually feel free and are free to say what they actually think in public.
	And right now we are doing abysmally on that metric, in part because of the abuse of corporate power, both with respect to employing people and firing people in many cases for saying the wrong thing.
	But in many cases, just using outright force to censor them from being able to express those same views on the Internet or in their place of work.
	And I think that that is the defining threat of our time.
	Let me ask you a tough question that you may have identified the answer to in all your research.
	What is the transmission belt?
	of this ideology into the C-level suite.
	There's one theory that says, well, we've created a whole generation of these woke kids who don't have real degrees.
	It's, you know, global sustainability and gender studies.
	They can't get any real jobs, so they become employees of the HR departments.
	And then the HR departments become reflections of themselves, only hiring people who are woke.
	And I like that idea, but I don't think that doesn't create a Mark Zuckerberg, that doesn't create the woke CEO of United.
	So where is the facet of interaction?
	Where is the interface where these people who are really at the top of all this, who don't have to be beholden to an ideological Viewpoint, where they genuflect, where they surrender to this ideology.
	Have you identified that transmission point or that facet?
	Great question.
	So there's a couple of different forces at play.
	It's not one silver bullet of an answer.
	In one case, you have a lot of people who are occupying the C-suite, who are now members of my generation.
	We're millennials now, many of whom are in their mid or late thirties.
	What's happening is you have an entire generation of millennials Who have always been hungry for a cause as human beings always have been hungry for a cause hungry for purpose hungry for identity if you ask me hungry for meaning and the things that used to satisfy that moral hunger ideas like faith and patriotism in some cases hard work have really disappeared and so we've relocated those quasi religious instincts to a new secular religion instead.
	That's the authentic version of it.
	And now that you're in a seat of corporate power, you merge that religion, you don't think of it as a religion, so that's why you allow it to merge, with the way you carry out your business activities as well.
	That's part of it.
	I think we're also in the middle of the largest intergenerational wealth transfer in history, where the people in my generation, not me personally, but many in my generation, are on the receiving end of it.
	Now you have a generation of baby boomers that ultimately created a lot of wealth that's now being transferred to a generation of millennials, Well, guess what?
	There's two ways to exceed a great man who is your father.
	One is on his own terms.
	The other is by being morally superior rather than superior in more objectively measurable ways.
	Morality is subjective.
	And so you have a lot of people even in family businesses who are inheriting the businesses and now beginning to run the businesses that their father created a generation ago.
	They're now going more woke as CEOs.
	That is a new apologist model of capitalism that you see in a lot of family businesses today in the context of a son who necessarily couldn't achieve what his father did, but chose to achieve it through moral superiority itself.
	There's a great Austrian economist, Ludwig von Mises, who said a century ago that capitalism actually gives rise to the psychological need for anti-capitalism.
	And in a certain sense, that's exactly the force that we see as play is the anti-capitalist psychology that's born of capitalism itself when you roll it forward a generation that couldn't necessarily stand up to the accomplishments of a generation prior.
	So I think there's a lot of different forces going on there.
	I think there's also a force that's inherent to the qualia of the woke ideology itself.
	There's something unique about the woke ideology is that it does not tolerate dissent.
	In fact, if you disagree with any of the claims that black, let's say black people are inherently disadvantaged, white people are inherently privileged and so on.
	If you disagree with any of those claims in modern America, you are actually defined according to the woke movement as a racist, even if you don't know it.
	If you say I'm not racist today, that means you are racist.
	If you say that all lives matter, somehow that means you believe that black lives don't matter.
	If you capitalize the W in white, or you fail to capitalize the B in black, you're also a racist.
	And I will tell you, there is no greater damnation in modern America, whether you're a CEO or an everyday worker, there's no greater damnation than to be called a racist.
	So when given the choice between being tarred with that scarlet R, even if you're a powerful CEO, or pledging allegiance to this new religion, everyday Americans at every level are bending the knee.
	So those are some examples of the forces that I think have conspired to create this new culture of conformism.
	It sounds to me as if we're talking about the latest iteration, the latest version of, you know, the ethno race baiting, race hustling of the Al Sharptons of the 1980s and 90s.
	If you're a corporation, you better behave yourself or we're going to accuse you of being racist.
	And this is just the more sophisticated version of that.
	Don't get in trouble.
	Give money to BLM or Nike will be deemed racist.
	Shall we?
	Right.
	Does that sound is that is that is that an oversimplification?
	It's the diversity industry.
	It's the woke industrial complex.
	It's a very profitable industry.
	It's a form of blackmail, but it's working.
	And I would say that the likes of Ibram Kendi and Robin DiAngelo have jumped on that and made a small fortune for themselves, but I think the rest of America has suffered as a consequence.
	He's the author of Woke Inc.
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	We're continuing the discussion.
	Vivek, can I add one more theory that I heard from somebody else that kind of, I think, sounds intuitive?
	That if you look at these mega mega billionaires today, it's a very different wealth accrual model.
	From the way America was built.
	The Zuckerbergs, the Jobs, the Dorseys acquired their billions in a fashion which is just incomparable to the Carnegie's or the Ford's.
	The Carnegie's, the Ford's, the so-called robber barons actually had to build stuff, had to work their ass off.
	In many cases we're talking about Geeks who are in the right place at the right time.
	They say of Steve Jobs, he never actually invented anything.
	He just capitalized on somebody else's great ideas and put them together.
	Is it because these individuals have come at wealth relatively, comparatively so easily That they don't understand the real way that capitalism works, therefore they are so easy to denigrate it.
	Is that possible?
	Is that also a possible ingredient?
	I hear you there, and I think that that's an orthogonal separate discussion that we can have about the experience of creation of wealth in the 21st century versus in the 19th or in the 20th or 19th centuries.
	I don't know that that gets to the heart of corporate wokeness, but I will tell you this.
	I think there's a lot of other forces at play in that other discussion we could be having.
	You know, I think the rise of the Federal Reserve is also a big, plays a big role in it.
	Please unpack that.
	Please unpack that, Vivek.
	Perpetually easy money has ultimately created asset classes that allow people who own assets, including stocks, to be able to sell smaller percentage of the shares that they own to be able to actually enjoy everyday wealth.
	So today, I think part of the reason the stock market Is that an all-time high?
	Is because the Fed is in the business of printing money, and those dollars have to go somewhere.
	They chase assets.
	They chase stocks, including high beta stocks, like those of technology companies, that then allow people who own shares of those companies to sell, like Mark Zuckerberg or Jack Dorsey, to sell a very tiny portion of those shares to buy a mansion or a boat or a fifth private jet in a way that was really different in eras prior, where you didn't have the Federal Reserve propping up asset prices from a central banking perspective.
	Those issues get pretty complicated pretty quickly are worth unpacking because I think there's a really important and distinctive features of 21st century capitalism that didn't exist in prior centuries.
	But I think as it pertains to the phenomenon of corporate wokeness.
	I think that there's a slightly different confluence of factors at work.
	I think some of it is the inherency of the cultural power of wokeism to fill a moral void that we used to fill with more powerful ideas, as I said earlier, like faith and patriotism.
	When man loses a religion that he believes in, he doesn't lose his religious impulses.
	He just locates those religious impulses to a new religion instead.
	That's what's happened with modern wokeism.
	That's what that's what's allowed it to infect every one of these institutions at once.
	I also think that if you want to talk about an external player who's sort of pulling the strings from behind the curtain, I actually think that's China.
	China understands the woke game far more deeply than any of us do.
	There's even a Chinese word for wokeness, Baizhou.
	It literally refers to woke white people in the United States.
	Well, they invented it.
	Along with Marx, they invented it.
	Right, Vivek?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	They don't have this game played, but now they're using it to strengthen their own geopolitical position on the global stage.
	Because you see, the way the game works now is if you're Disney or you're Nike or you're the NBA or you're BlackRock.
	You relentlessly criticize the United States, but you do not say a peep about true human rights abuses in China.
	So you criticize microaggressions over here.
	You stay silent about macroaggressions in China.
	In fact, you may even praise China as they commit some of the largest human rights atrocities we have seen in the last century since the third Reich of Germany.
	And yet that actually undermines the geopolitical position of the United States because it attacks our greatest asset of all.
	That is not our nuclear arsenal.
	It is our moral standing on the global stage.
	And when the new international arbiters of moral justice are consistently criticized in the United States while praising China, that actually creates a false moral relativism between Chinese nihilism and American idealism.
	And when you create that false equivalence, that's actually a winning trade for Chinese nihilism over American idealism.
	So I think that is something that's underappreciated.
	It's one, I think this is the first book that actually exposes some of these geopolitical consequences of wokeism.
	Some of which were on display last week in Afghanistan, by the way.
	I think there was one way exactly that President Biden could have averted the disaster, which was ultimately telling the Taliban that we will decimate you.
	We will annihilate you if you renege on your prior agreements as we exit Afghanistan.
	He didn't do it.
	Even if he did do it, the Taliban would know that he couldn't make good on his threats.
	Yeah, we'll talk about the ramifications of the woke infection of the U.S.
	military, perhaps the most disturbing of all.
	In the meantime, there's one person out there who's been doing the most to fight political correctness and to get to the truth of what happened last November as a personal favor to all of you listening and watching.
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	The woke mob wants to destroy him.
	They want to strip him of his law licenses and bankrupt him.
	Will you support him?
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	That's RudyGiulianiFreedomFund.com.
	Let's help Rudy the way that he helped New York and America after September the 11th.
	Thank you so very, very much.
	One thing you mentioned previously, Vivek, that I'd just like to do a little tangential thing on is, you mentioned crypto.
	Is crypto a complicating factor?
	Does it make wokeness worse or better?
	I'm sure Von Mises and Hayek would have questions about the actual intrinsic value of the quote-unquote mining that is done in people's basements with cryptocurrency.
	Does it have a ramification for Woke Inc.
	and for all that we're witnessing?
	You know, I don't think it has direct ramifications.
	It is something that is, I view as an amplifier of underlying forces already, in the sense that if you have another currency, a currency is nothing more than a language to denominate the price of an underlying asset.
	You know, if you think about it, the dollar is just a piece of paper.
	Even gold is really just another form of paper.
	You could view the rise of cryptocurrencies as yet another form of paper.
	But paper only denominates the value of underlying true assets.
	And I think that the real question is, what are those true assets worth?
	And what I worry about in the world of corporate wokeness is that those assets are going to be worth less.
	And one of those assets, if I may speak metaphorically, is actually American democracy itself.
	It's worth less when you have a small group of elites, CEOs, investors, et cetera, determining the moral answers to our most pressing normative questions.
	Rather than our democracy at large, where every person's voice and every person's vote is weighted equally.
	So, here's the question nobody has managed to answer for me, and I'm going to put you on the line right now, because you wrote the book, literally.
	You created this amazing organization, RoVent.
	You're a biotech entrepreneur, but you said enough is enough, and you wanted to, you know, bang the drum, blow the trumpet to say this is a true disease that's eating away at not just the market system, but also, you say, the reputation of our republic.
	Here's the thing that nobody's managed to tell me.
	Why don't market forces themselves contain the inherent answer?
	At some point, won't people say, screw Amazon, screw Starbucks, screw the NFL, I'm not buying your product!
	And then at some point, will the CEOs stop being suicidal?
	When it comes to their profits, or are we just forever hostages?
	Because as you said, this is a quasi-religion.
	Like, you know, the global warming environmentalists, they want meaning.
	They've denied the existence of God, but they're finding meaning by kneeling at NFL matches.
	So am I being overly optimistic that the supply and demand and reality sooner or later has to slap the C-suite in the face?
	So I have a very clear answer to this in the book.
	There's actually a series of answers, but the most important one is that the free market that you and I idealize does not exist today.
	And I mean that very literally because of government intervention in that market.
	There are enough distortions of the market, legislatively codified distortions, that prevent the market from equilibrating in the way that it otherwise would if it were a truly free market.
	I'll just give you one example.
	Let's talk about in the labor market, in the workplace.
	Today, you cannot discriminate as a company in the United States on the basis of race or sex or religion or national origin.
	And as of the Supreme Court's ruling in Bostock last year, sex also includes sexual orientation.
	Yet you can engage in rampant discrimination, as I believe is happening in many companies across the country today, on the basis of political belief.
	So my view is this.
	Either we don't have protected classes at all, Or we apply those standards even-handedly and we ultimately protect political belief as well, adding political expression to the list of protected classes alongside race and sex and religion and national origin.
	Because I say if you can't fire somebody or de-platform somebody from social media because they're black or Muslim or gay or white or Christian or Jewish or whatever.
	You should not be able to deplatform them or fire them just because they're an outspoken conservative.
	And that is not an academic issue.
	It is happening directly or indirectly every day in this country.
	If it can happen to the 45th president of the United States, it can happen to anybody.
	And so I actually think that's not just an act of hypocrisy.
	Part of the reason the administrative bureaucracies in HR departments across the country ended up becoming as bloated as they did began with compliance with the civil rights statutes, race, sex, anti-race, anti-sex, anti-religious discrimination.
	But that bureaucracy then took on the bantle of proactive anti-racism training on its own, which in turn had no tolerance for dissent to the Uniformly progressive agenda that had nothing to do with racial discrimination in the first place.
	So that's a big part of the story of how we got to how we are is the is the uneven handed application of actual laws that distorted the way the free market works.
	Section 230 is another one that's on the same list.
	It is a federal statute that immunizes private companies from facing tort liability in the states.
	For taking down material that is, and this is in the language of the statute, it's staggering, material that is otherwise constitutionally protected.
	It was a good example of the government going through the back door using a statute to immunize companies to do indirectly what the government could not do directly under the constitution, namely to take down speech that it found offensive.
	So that's a real distortion, giving a certain class of companies immunity from otherwise a tort system that governs the free market.
	To be able to say that they're protected from a class of action.
	Well, what I say is that we need new solutions that meet the 21st century, not just reciting slogans we memorized about the free market from 1980, acknowledging that that free market doesn't exist today.
	Instead, we need to do things like amend Section 230 and say that if you ultimately are protected by the federal government, well, maybe you have a free market.
	You don't get that protection.
	That's great.
	But if you're going to claim that form of government protection, then it comes with strings attached, including being constrained by the same limitations as the federal government itself.
	Including the Constitution of the United States, including the First Amendment.
	If you're going to have anti-discrimination provisions against race or gender or religion, you can't discriminate against somebody for their political beliefs either.
	Look at what's happening on the climate front.
	The climate czar for President Biden's administration, John Kerry, is now boasting about the fact that there are elements of the Green New Deal they could not get through Congress.
	That they're now using, indirectly, his relationship with banking CEOs to stop lending to projects like drilling in the Arctic, etc., that aren't illegal, but are effectively having government use private parties to stop them from being able to continue carrying it out anyway.
	This is the way crony capitalism works today.
	It's not crony capitalism 1.0, where big business would bribe government officials, effectively, directly or indirectly, to do their bidding.
	Now it works in reverse.
	We're actually big government is bribing big business to do its own bidding instead.
	And so I think that we live in a moment where, you know, Republicans and conservatives or whatever have spent the last 40 years defending the castle of capitalism from the front door without recognizing that that castle was invaded by the back door from forces ranging from the Communist Party of China to the woke left.
	And the defining challenge for the future of the conservative movement is how we sterilize that castle.
	But without burning the whole thing down.
	And I see a wing of the Republican Party that says we want to look the other way and pretend like the problem doesn't exist and recite those slogans from 1980.
	I see a different wing of the party emerging that says this is a real problem.
	They're right about it, but they want to burn the whole thing down.
	And I think the defining challenge for the future is how we do neither of those things, but ultimately sterilize the castle without just saying burn the whole thing down.
	Wow.
	I'd like to do another couple hours with this guy.
	A couple of questions left.
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	Vivek, you use this analogy of the castle that has been taken from within.
	Here's the question to you.
	Can we save the castle?
	Is capitalism not so utterly bastardized and perverted?
	As you say, when banks can be politically convinced behind the scenes to drop the accounts of gun manufacturers or oil drilling companies, can governments solve that?
	Can politics solve that, Vivek?
	So that's the right, the rephrased framing was the right way to put it.
	Look, that is what the whole book is about.
	The book is about how we not save capitalism from big government.
	That was the challenge in 1980.
	This is how we save capitalism from itself.
	And that's a much more complicated challenge.
	That is what this book is all about.
	And I think it paves what I think of as possibly the defining philosophy for the future of the conservative movement, something that I think is actually lacking today.
	So I'm an optimist.
	I think the answer is yes, but it is complicated.
	It requires first a recognition that the biggest threat to liberty and prosperity in America today is not just big government.
	That is only half the story.
	It is this new hybrid of big government and big business that is far more powerful than either one alone, because it can do what the other one cannot on its own.
	That is the woke industrial complex.
	That is a new Leviathan that is far more powerful than what Thomas Hobbes envisioned 400 years ago.
	It is far more powerful than what our own founding fathers envisioned 250 years ago.
	They were geniuses in setting up a three-branch system of government with checks and balances.
	What they did not envision was a fourth branch office in places like Silicon Valley.
	That operate outside the bounds of the constitutional constraints without term limits applied to the new monarchs and plutocrats like Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg.
	Yet that is the world we live in today.
	We need new philosophies, new dogmas, new mantras to find our way forward.
	My favorite Republican actually spoke 160 years ago, Abraham Lincoln, when he said the dogmas of a quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present.
	I say the dogmas of 1980 are inadequate to address the unique challenges Of 2021, the conservative movement needs to wake up to that.
	By the way, I think the left needs to wake up to that too, because every bit of what I'm writing about here ought to be a concern to a classical liberal every bit as much as a classical conservative.
	What we really need is not even a new conservative movement, a new American movement around these ideas.
	That's what the book is all about.
	It's funny you say that, and it is a delight.
	Let me just say it is truly a delight to talk to somebody who is as well-read as you are.
	You're definitely not a man just in your business lane or the author's lane.
	You also have that philosophical grounding that makes it a delight to talk to, and hopefully you'll come back on our show.
	I was at a dinner, a very illustrious group of individuals.
	I don't know what I was doing there.
	Who are all involved with the original Reagan tax cut, the massive tax cut, and it was a celebratory dinner for the 30th anniversary.
	And of course we started talking about politics today, and I had to stop at one point and I guess rather rudely say, gentlemen, ladies, It's not 1981 now.
	Okay?
	It's just not 1981.
	God bless Ronald Reagan.
	I grew up under Maggie Thatcher.
	St.
	John Paul II.
	St.
	John Paul II.
	Absolute heroes who won a Cold War.
	But it's not 1981!
	The things they were fighting, they couldn't even imagine would occur.
	So the idea that we just revivify some tools from 30 years ago and we'll be fine and dandy is absolutely asinine.
	Okay, here's one last question.
	Everybody has to read Woke Inc.
	from Vivek Ramaswamy.
	You need to follow him on Twitter as well.
	Also, check out his website.
	Is there a role for... It's Vivek G. Ramaswamy.
	Is there a role for the average citizen, for the person who's not a Successful biotech entrepreneur, national radio show host, state politician, national politician.
	When you look at the fact that Afghanistan fell, in my opinion, In large part because of not woke ink, but woke military.
	The Mark Milley saying, critical race theory is great, I don't know what it is, but West Point should teach it, I'm white, white rage is important.
	When he should have been studying jihadi rage, when he should have been understanding the rage of the Taliban.
	To take down the country where 9-11 was orchestrated.
	So the idea that we were so a strategic is a function of ideological perversion of our military as much as it is of anything else.
	So what role is there for the average American?
	Do we boycott Amazon?
	How do we begin?
	Is there a role?
	Look, I'm not a huge fan of consumer boycotts or the use of market power in return, because I think that is using the same toolkit of the other side.
	I define cancel culture as the use of force to supplant free speech and open debate as a mechanism of settling political questions.
	The left is mostly guilty of it today.
	I don't want to see the right ultimately get infected by the left and see this culture war end, as T.S.
	Eliot might have said, not with a bang, but with a whimper.
	That's not what I want to see.
	It's one of the things I actually worry about.
	I think the right answer is for people to start speaking out freely again.
	And I would give any person here listening to this call an assignment to be able to say that when you believe you are the only person in the room who has the belief that you do you have never had a civic responsibility more important than today saying what you actually believe in an unvarnished way.
	And my commitment to you in return is that if you do that, chances are you're gonna find that you actually weren't the only person in the room who believed what you did.
	Courage can be infectious, but right now cowardice has become infectious.
	Instead, we have a culture of fear in our country Fear of losing your job.
	Fear of your kid getting a bad grade in school.
	Fear of becoming a pariah in your own community that has completely supplanted our culture of free speech.
	It is reinforced by corporations.
	It is now reinforced by the government.
	And the civic responsibility of every American, it's what I say and write in every book that I sign for people today, is to speak Really, and once we start talking openly again, I think that is the beginning of the first step of the beginning of the end to this ultimate cultural revolution whose consequences we suffer today, not a Marxist cultural revolution, but a wokest one in the United States.
	Instead, I think that the better way forward, it's what I lay out in the book.
	There is a path forward.
	I'm an optimist.
	I think if the last decade was about obsessing over and celebrating our diversity and differences of the people, so be it.
	The next decade can still be about celebrating those few ideas that bind us together as one people.
	And at the top of that list is both the American dream and free speech.
	This is a country where you don't have to choose between the two.
	You get to have both.
	You shouldn't be forced to choose between speaking your mind freely and putting food on the dinner table.
	This is the country where you get to enjoy both of those things at once.
	That's what America's all about.
	That's what we need to revive.
	That's what the book is all about.
	It's why I wrote it.
	Well, it took a long time to get him on the show, but it was worth the wait.
	It is a true inspiration talking to you guys.
	You've got to follow this man, Vivek G. Ramaswamy, on Twitter.
	You've got to get the book, Woking.
	And if you are in the swamp next time, Vivek, please do come and join us in studio for more, what shall we say?
	Not prognostication.
	Diagnosis of what's happening and what needs to be done about it.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Hold the line.
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