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Aug. 16, 2021 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Afghanistan falls. Biden does nothing.

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	That's inside the airport.
	We tried to head up to it ourselves, and it was startling.
	At the gate were the Taliban, and they were essentially doing crowd control for the benefit of the United States, keeping back many of the Afghans trying to swarm that particular airport.
	There'll be some who say, well, they were trying to prevent people leaving who they might consider to have been U.S.
	allies, but clearly on the ground, they were doing things that were very beneficial to the U.S., using, in fact, vehicles that No, it is not Saigon, dear friends.
	It is much, much worse than Saigon, and I will explain.
	This is America First on the Salem Radio Network with me, your host for the next three hours, Sebastian Walker, former strategist, former deputy assistant to President Trump, the 45th President of the United States.
	The images, to begin with, were eerily similar.
	Those helicopters landing in Kabul to rescue more than 4,000 personnel at our embassy.
	Yes, that is the size of the personnel contingent in our embassy in Kabul.
	Compared with that photograph of helicopters being clambered upon by Vietnamese nationals in Saigon as we left that benighted nation as well.
	But it's much worse.
	If you're not on social media, I understand, not everybody is, but if you're not on social media and you haven't seen the images, well, we've never seen images like this, except in fictional movies.
	Massive military jet liners taxiing off the runway in Bagram, being surrounded by hundreds and thousands of locals.
	Interestingly, people have commented again and again and again, no women, no children, just young men, young military-aged men who aren't fighting to take back their nation from the fundamentalists, but are trying to escape.
	And so desperate to escape that they are clinging to the outside of a jet aircraft as it is taxiing for takeoffs.
	Some of them, incredibly, actually maintaining their grip on that fuselage until the jet took off.
	Only to be filmed moments later as the plane takes off steeply into the sky to fall off that plane to their instant deaths.
	We've never seen anything like it.
	Not from Saigon, not from Iraq when Obama precipitously pulled us out from there as well.
	And why is this worse?
	It's much worse for several reasons.
	Number one, we were fighting in Vietnam for much, much longer in terms of the secret war, assistance to the French, and then we have just seven months for utter collapse?
	This wasn't years.
	There was no Tet Offensive.
	This is absurd!
	There was literally no large-scale assault in Afghanistan.
	One by one, the provinces fell in a matter of days, maximum a couple of weeks.
	There was no massive military engagement against our facilities or the facilities of the Afghans, who, by the way, we have expended more than $2 trillion on.
	Not $2 million, not $2 billion, $2 trillion on.
	More than 2,000 Americans killed, 20,000 wounded in that literal hellhole that Alexander the Great, that the British Empire and the Soviets couldn't conquer.
	It's seven months.
	It's not twenty years of fighting.
	It's the last seven months, and for every one of you despicable people out there who've tweeted out headlines of Trump's decision to withdraw from Afghanistan, you arch-cretins, well you're not cretins, you know what you're doing, you're liars!
	My old boss, Didn't do anything that was reckless when it came to other people's lives.
	He was interested in getting our girls and boys back from what he called stupid wars.
	But not doing so stupidly.
	Every time he decided to bring our troops home from wherever it was, especially from places where they've been for 60 years like Germany and Korea, it was a conditions-based decision.
	Meaning our troops would not be withdrawn from whatever theatre they were deployed in unless certain local conditions were met, which meant that their withdrawal would not create an instant vacuum and a collapse.
	That did not happen in Kabul.
	This senile old man, sitting by himself in the sit-room in Camp David, was...
	What a pathetic, what a pathetic posed picture.
	That it's supposed to reassure Americans?
	Supposed to reassure our allies?
	It's supposed to reassure the tens of thousands of Afghans.
	Who are now just walking dead.
	The ones that cooked for us, cleaned for us, the ones that risked everything by being our interpreters, the ones that were intelligence assets for us against the worst of the worst, the Al-Qaeda encampments in Afghanistan.
	They're all walking dead.
	They won't have been able to shred every piece of information.
	And as such, right now, right now, The diabolical, the murderous Taliban executioners are roaming house to house with any scrap of information they have about local Pashtuns, Hazard Uzbeks, whatever ethnic grouping they are, who've helped our forces.
	And as soon as they find them, They will be killed, most likely beheaded, and their families will be killed.
	Don't misunderstand me.
	Please be very clear, and I don't need to prove myself to anybody.
	You can read what I've written for the last 20 plus years.
	You can read my first book, Defeating Jihad, that I dedicated exclusively to the analysis of these thet groups.
	To the Muslim Brotherhood, the progenitor of all of them, to Al-Qaeda, and then later, in Why We Fight, my analysis of ISIS, and al-Nusra, and all the other jihadi groups.
	I am not an isolationist.
	I never was.
	I wouldn't be, given my family's history of having lived under fascist occupation and then being persecuted by communists.
	But I'm about prudent strategy.
	And what we have demonstrated to the world in the last seven months is what it took eight years for Obama to demonstrate.
	That a world in which America's leaders are ashamed of America, a world in which we demonstrate weakness, is a dangerous world for all of us.
	All of us.
	Our friends, our allies, our partners in the region, and for us here.
	How easily we forget.
	This administration is Obama 3.0.
	That's all it is.
	It's all his old hacks running the shop behind the scenes.
	Susan Rice is the person running this administration.
	That was Obama's number one advisor.
	So this is Obama 3.0.
	Now what did Obama 3.0, what does it reflect?
	It reflects the eight years of Obama starting his presidency with an apology tour.
	With saying, America will lead from behind, you moron.
	You can't lead from behind.
	But you can demonstrate to the world that you're a coward.
	And that others should be allowed to shape the geopolitics of our globe.
	And now you've done it with the Taliban.
	And this is much more dangerous than ISIS.
	Much more dangerous than Al-Qaeda.
	Remember, remember Obama, remember Biden.
	The deadliest terrorist attack in human history was executed when Al-Qaeda had a couple of camps in parts of Afghanistan the Taliban ran.
	Now they run it all and the next Al-Qaeda, the next ISIS will be back and they'll be using our weapons and our training.
	Are you ready America?
	Let's get you ready.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
	All right, clear.
	Mics are on.
	Mics are on.
	All right.
	Hey, Geoff, Seb wants to use those collar liners that you found.
	Can you show me where those are when you get a chance?
	That looks like right out of your mind.
	How's it going, Rumblers?
	Question for the Rumble Chat.
	What were you guys doing yesterday when you heard the news of the fall of Kupul?
	Kupul.
	Hi, what's your name?
	Where are you calling from?
	Alright, what do you want to say?
	Two and a half minutes.
	Alright, hang on.
	I'll try to get you out.
	America first, hold please.
	I saw that footage of the plane taking off and the people falling off.
	I was just like, I didn't believe what I was seeing.
	I know, it was incredible.
	Oh, do you have this CNN one, the woman, Jeff?
	Um, Eric, download it.
	I didn't put it on there, but I can get it.
	Video cut, hang on.
	Just make it, it's cut.
	Go to like right before the... And come in with Scalise, video cut 10.
	Come in with Scalise, Leo cut 10, and then... Where is it, Geoff?
	Are we calling him or is he calling us?
	He's calling us.
	Both of Pompeo cuts are really good.
	Oh, really?
	Okay.
	Yeah, they're really good.
	Where?
	Go all the way down to, like, where cut 1 is.
	This?
	Or... Oh, the reporter?
	Yeah.
	Oh, this one.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I'll call this, uh... Oh, friendly.
	Oh, they seem to be friendly.
	Is Van skyping or phone?
	Phone.
	He's not in the office.
	I'll call this cut 13.
	What's the hotline number?
	Don't give it out.
	I'll text it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, Jeff will text you.
	Okay, coming in with Sleaze Cut 10, which is 32 seconds long.
	One minute to air?
	Yep.
	He's calling.
	Oh, great.
	Hello, America First.
	Oh, will you put Vance's campaign URL up?
	Yeah, jdvance.com, and I'll meet at the mics for him.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	It's a very dire situation when you see the United States embassy being evacuated.
	In fact, you just had President Biden a few days ago saying you wouldn't see helicopters evacuating the embassy like Saigon.
	And yet here we are.
	This is this is President Biden's Saigon moment.
	And unfortunately, it was very predictable.
	It seems like many in President Biden's intelligence community got this devastatingly wrong.
	And I think a lot of questions will be asked later about why just weeks ago they were saying something completely different than what we're seeing on the ground today in Afghanistan.
	stand.
	That's Congressman Steve Scalise, a good friend of America First, making very, very, very trenchant comments about the things we are witnessing.
	Somebody else, who at least, given his Twitter posts, is doing exactly the same, is a good friend of the Salem Radio Network.
	He's the author of Hillbilly Elegy.
	He is, of course, a former Marine, and he is running for the Senate in Ohio.
	J.D.
	Vance, welcome back to America First.
	Thanks for having me, Seb.
	So let's give a bigger audience, all three million of our listeners plus our viewers, let's get your take.
	As somebody who not only served this nation in the uniform of the Corps, but somebody who really has taken on the mantle of this America First movement, your reaction to the images of the last 48 hours?
	Well, it's disgusting and embarrassing.
	I mean, it looks like America's on the run and chaos has ensued.
	I mean, look, there are a couple of big Takeaways from what the Biden administration has done in Afghanistan.
	I think the first is that, you know, I'm one of these people who believes very strongly that we cannot stay in Afghanistan forever, but how you get out of Afghanistan is important.
	And these guys have basically decided to do it in a way that is the most embarrassing and the most chaotic as possible.
	The two big things that they could have done differently is one, they could have secured Bagram Air Base before getting out.
	I mean, that would be the last thing to abandon, not the first thing, because you need to get your own people out, and you can't do that without a functioning airport.
	And so they made a strategic error there.
	The second, of course, is that they actually extended the abandonment of Afghanistan into the Afghanistan fighting season, which you may know, Seb, but I'm sure many of your listeners don't.
	The three optimal months to fight a war in Afghanistan, because of the poppy harvesting season, because of geography and weather, are July, August, and September.
	And the Biden administration, by departing from the Trump administration's plan, basically gave the Afghans the opportunity to fight during their three best months, the Taliban, the opportunity to fight during their three best months.
	So these guys just completely handed over the country to them.
	They were totally caught off guard by it.
	And it's a failure of the Biden administration.
	It's a failure of our military leadership.
	It's a failure of really our entire Pentagon bureaucracy.
	And it's very depressing to see.
	Beyond the military mistakes that were made, I have to ask you to comment on the political reality of what the administration has done since the crisis erupted.
	So this is from John Binder, our friend at Breitbart.com, quote, President Joe Biden is not planning to prioritize thousands of American citizens stranded in evacuations from Afghanistan.
	Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby confirmed to Fox News that the administration will not give priority to Americans in Afghanistan over Afghans who are applying for visas.
	This is literally America last, is it not, J.D.? ?
	That's exactly right.
	If America First means anything, it means getting American citizens out of a war zone before people that you haven't properly vetted.
	And this is the thing that we're getting so wrong about this particular moment.
	We're letting tens of thousands of Afghan refugees completely unvetted into this country.
	Of course, there are some people who have helped us.
	And of course, we have to help those people.
	But we can help them without letting tens of thousands of people unvetted into our country.
	And if you're not prioritizing American citizens, Who do you actually represent and who do you actually serve?
	We need to get our own people out of that war zone before we even think about letting anybody else into our country.
	But of course, the Biden administration is focused on a bunch of people who are not Americans, as opposed to American citizens.
	Now, here's the crazy thing about this.
	If you think about how catastrophically wrong Biden has been about every part of this war, about every part of this conflict, Do you have any confidence, because I know I don't, that they're going to properly vet the Afghan refugees that are coming into this country?
	Because I worry a lot.
	You see these Taliban prisons that are being completely opened up.
	You see people who we know are very bad dudes who might want to kill Americans.
	We have a poor southern border.
	We have Afghan refugees coming into this country unvetted.
	And I really, really worry that the Biden folks, not only are they not prioritizing American citizens, but they're going to let a lot of bad people into this country without any controls.
	Well, since they're not vetting the 6,000 who are coming across the border illegally from Mexico, I doubt they'll be doing that under the emergency conditions that are occurring in Kabul.
	We're talking to JD Vance.
	Follow him, support his campaign at JDVance.com.
	We'll talk about that momentarily.
	But first, as somebody who's not really a politician, and I hope you never become a real politician, Give us your reaction as an American to the expectation.
	Look, maybe I just can't see it, but if you look at the last seven months, if you look at the hack against our oil pipeline, if you look at the rate of inflation, if you look at the crisis on the border again and again and again, you're seeing things that Reasonable people can't deny, but seem to be able to deny.
	Could this be the last moment?
	Could this be where people wake up and say, yeah, we're in trouble and this guy is not capable?
	Am I reading too much into it, or could this be that moment?
	No, look, I mean, we look like a ship, to your point, Seb, without a captain.
	We've got crises on every angle and at every front.
	Nothing seems to be really going in the direction that it should in this country.
	And the President of the United States looks like he's going to give a statement at 345.
	But where has been?
	Where has his team been?
	Where is the leadership of this country been as the entire country seems to fall apart?
	This is not American greatness on display.
	This is American weakness on display.
	And the people we have to blame for it are the two people who are running this country, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
	Have you been contacted by any of your colleagues, former colleagues in the Corps?
	There's no such thing as an ex-Marine, there's only former Marines.
	Are you getting any kind of soundings from your friends?
	Yeah, I definitely am.
	I've talked to a few friends of mine.
	You know, I spent time in Iraq, but never went to Afghanistan.
	Some of my friends from the Marine Corps did.
	And look, they're just heartbroken, man.
	I mean, you know, you go to these countries, the military leadership and the bureaucracy asks you to do a nearly impossible job.
	You do it heroically.
	You do it bravely.
	You lose friends along the way.
	And I think what so many of us, whether we served in Afghanistan or not, we don't want the sacrifices of our comrades to be in vain.
	We want something to come out of this.
	And here's my little bit of silver lining on this, because I know a lot of veterans are not happy seeing what's going on in Afghanistan.
	The silver lining may very well be that we finally recognize that our military leadership and our pen and beyond bureaucracy, the American regime is fundamentally incapable of leading this country.
	Why weren't we told over the past five years, as we spent a trillion dollars and lost a ton of American lives, that the Afghan army was in this condition?
	Why was General Mark Milley focused on white rage when he was apparently unable to do his job and secure the country of Afghanistan?
	Why are our leaders so bad at doing their job and why do they suffer no consequences Because of it.
	If there is a thing that will come out of this catastrophe in Afghanistan, it may be the recognition that we are a rudderless ship and we need real change in this country.
	Not just one president getting replaced, hopefully with a better president, but an entire leadership class in this country that shows no ability to actually get the job done for the American people.
	That would be a wonderful start if these general-flag officers like Milley, like Gilday were hoisted on their own petards and fired by the Biden administration.
	But I predict right now that is not going to be happening anytime soon.
	Back with JD Vance after these messages.
	Stay on this channel.
	Stay on this channel.
	Thank you.
	...will behave himself.
	Okay.
	Mics are on.
	Okay.
	Millie or the Department of Defense?
	He's gonna keep his special, um, phrases he learned to Quantico to himself.
	Mics are live.
	This is unbelievable.
	I mean, I knew they were bad, but this bad?
	You know, posing for stupid photographs at Camp David?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And then what Kirby said?
	It's really bad.
	And I, you know, I can't get over the fact that they were hoisting the rainbow flag above the Kabul embassy two months ago.
	Do you think they'll be hoisting that flag when the Taliban- Oh my gosh.
	Yes, that is such a good point.
	Did you, did you tweet that out?
	I didn't.
	No, you're, you're welcome to.
	I just can't.
	I just, we're led by unserious people, man.
	I cannot believe how bad these people are.
	Yeah.
	When we, when, when we walked into the white house, oh my gosh, feels like a century ago.
	We said we need a league of serious gentlemen.
	That's all we need.
	Just serious.
	Forget, you know, League of Extraordinary.
	Just serious people who think serious things and do serious things.
	That's all we need.
	Not people who are going to look for white supremacists as the Taliban take over Afghanistan.
	Is that it?
	Just a joint draft?
	There's no chairman, Eric?
	Um, yeah, not that I could find.
	I looked at Mark Milley's Twitter, couldn't find anything.
	Okay, alright.
	Um, you wanted to do food here, Dr. G?
	Yeah, I wanted to do food here, and then I might play a quick cut for JD.
	Alright, do you want to play the same cut that I played last?
	For food?
	Uh, for food, yes.
	I will use that.
	Okay, sounds good.
	The Haiti cut again?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Remember, she's talking more specifically about food for the poor, less about the conditions.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So you can play that B-roll, Eric, if you want, but I'm just saying, just for setting it up.
	Okay, yeah, yeah, I got you.
	Okay.
	I'm gonna, after Food for the Poor, I'm gonna tee up Cut 5, okay?
	And then I'm gonna go straight to JD, okay?
	Cut 5, yep, Jordan.
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	Do you have copy for that?
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	OK, good.
	My patron's supply.
	30 seconds.
	Got it.
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	We are back with J.D.
	Vance, or the author of Hillbilly Energy, who is running for the Senate seat in Ohio.
	Let's listen, get his reaction to what Jim Jordan has said about recent events and where the Commander-in-Chief is.
	Well, I think the first thing is, why is Joe Biden on vacation?
	I don't think he's taken one question from the press this entire weekend.
	So this is a frightening situation.
	It's an embarrassing situation for the United States.
	But I think, frankly, it's not surprising.
	Maria, tell me what this administration has done right in their first eight months on the job.
	So that's a question of political capacity, political experience.
	He has been called the man who has made a mistake on foreign policy every time for the last 37 years.
	You are now running for the Senate.
	Talk to us about the new class of citizen politicians that you hope to represent, J.D.
	Vance.
	Yeah, well I think one of the things that you see out there is some really good people.
	Obviously, I think I'm a good guy in Ohio.
	I think Blake Masters in Arizona.
	There are a couple, Sean Parnell in Pennsylvania.
	There are a couple of others across the country that recognize that you need people who want to run for office to accomplish something and not to be something.
	I think so many of the people who run for political office, they do it for their ego.
	They do it because they want senator or governor or whatever else next to their name.
	They don't have a real sense of what they want to accomplish, and I think I'm proud to be one of those folks who's running for a purpose because I care about this country and I want to stop seeing it flip into decline, which is what's happening under the Biden administration and the leadership of our woke corporations.
	Well, you've had my support from the get-go.
	Somebody, a dear friend of the show, President's former attorney, Jenna Ellis, last week shocked me when she quoted you from a Time magazine interview.
	I said, that doesn't sound like J.D.
	to me.
	Would you address what you actually said about your support for President Trump and the criticisms you've received?
	Because I said, I'm going to ask J.D.
	in front of three million listeners, and I know the truth.
	And you've told me offline.
	The actual context.
	So let's share it with all of our listeners.
	Yeah, well, Seb, you know, I was a critic of Trump in 2016 and came around on the president.
	I've been publicly supportive of President Trump for the past several years because I think he did a good job for this country.
	And my God, I wish he was in office today.
	But look, you know, going from one public position to another, especially when you're a proud person like I am, is not easy.
	And so what I said in Time magazine is, look, Admitting that I was wrong about Trump, admitting that he did a good job, required me to suck it up a little bit.
	And I think that's true for anybody who's proud, who's got to admit their mistakes.
	But I don't shy away from that fact.
	I think that's what you got to do when somebody proves you wrong.
	You've got to be honest about it.
	So I think, you know, what matters to me is the Trump agenda and whether on immigration, foreign policy, trade, we're actually defending the American worker and the American working class.
	And to me, there's nobody else in this race that's running on that agenda item as aggressively as I am.
	That's fabulous.
	We're going to share that clip with our friend Jenna, because I knew it wasn't about President Trump that you had to suck it up, but having to say that you were wrong.
	That's a tough thing for any man to do, but he can do it.
	That's why he's got my support.
	Go to JDVance.com.
	Support this man, because we need more individuals who are citizens first and politicians second.
	That's JDVance.com.
	God bless you, and thank you for joining us today.
	Your call is next here on America First.
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	Mike's on.
	Yeah, that's later, though.
	All right.
	I always forget to start that bloody stopwatch.
	Yeah, no sweat.
	No sweat.
	I gotcha.
	Okay, my pillow and Patriot Mobile.
	It's hot in here.
	You mean it's above negative six degrees?
	It was nice.
	I had to make a fire this morning.
	It was a little chilly.
	A little chilly.
	Yeah, still, this whole week over here is going to be all rain and thunderstorms.
	It was 67 degrees yesterday here.
	It's nice.
	Nice.
	Nice.
	Alright, same, Jeff, do we have the same callers?
	Yes.
	Hold on.
	Man, even this chair is broken.
	Chairs are important.
	Can I just tell you?
	Chairs are important.
	Maybe that should be Mike Lindell's next product, is an ultra-comfortable soft chair.
	That's interesting.
	My chair.
	My chair.
	Then you take it with you on vacation.
	is put in the back of the car.
	Got a title in mind for Senator Vance.
	Um...
	Mm-hmm.
	What's a good title?
	This nation has no leadership, or something like that?
	Oh, America has no leaders.
	America has no leadership.
	Has no leadership.
	Yep.
	Put, put, um... No, Kabul, colon, America has no leadership.
	Alright, what do you want to do if Biden starts speaking in the middle of the segment?
	Just pot it up and let you know?
	Just tell me, and then I'll give you the cue.
	Alright, and then... I could, if you want, while he's talking, I could switch.
	Are they showing the podium?
	No.
	It's Karl Rove on Fox right now.
	Yeah, I assume it'll probably be in the next hour.
	Yeah.
	When we cut to Biden, do you want me to cut it to an in-studio camera that's looking at the TV screen right now?
	Like, so we have that image on Fox of him, like, talking with the audio?
	Yeah, uh, yeah, sure.
	Okay, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	A direct feed, yeah.
	See what it looks like.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I'm also an immigrant since August 9, 1968, and I love this country.
	This country owes me nothing, and I owe it everything.
	That's why I served.
	Wow.
	This is America First with Sebastian Gorka.
	Love our caller liners.
	That's a great one.
	God bless you.
	Did you hear what happened to Mike Lindell?
	Yep.
	During his symposium outside his hotel, a leftist tried to attack him.
	Mike acquitted himself, but he was injured.
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	Mike Pompeo had a few things to say about the situation.
	Before we go to your cause, let's go to Mike Cutate, the former Secretary of State.
	He should be less focused on trying to blame this on someone else than to solving the problem of making sure that we protect and defend American security.
	Chris, it's worth noting this did not happen on our watch.
	We reduced our forces significantly.
	The Taliban didn't advance on capitals all across Afghanistan.
	So it's just a plain old fact that this is happening under the Biden administration's leadership now, almost a quarter of a way into his first term.
	This is this is not the way leaders lead by pointing backwards.
	We had a bad deal we inherited.
	The JCPOA, we got out of it.
	We secured America from the risk from Iran.
	We inherited a horrible deal in Syria where ISIS controlled real estate the size of Great Britain.
	We crushed them.
	Every president confronts challenges.
	This president confronted a challenge in Afghanistan.
	He has utterly failed to protect the American people from this challenge.
	It's very simple.
	Not on our watch, and you totally failed.
	There's nothing, nothing comparable to the four years of the Trump administration.
	When we were in the White House, we took a decision to crush ISIS, a threat that Obama had said to us, said to all Americans, oh, you're just going to have to live with it.
	Quote, it's a generational threat.
	This is on you, Biden.
	And there's somebody, I think it was Kurt Schlichter, texted out today, or tweeted out today, it's on all of you guys.
	You voted?
	You're a Democrat?
	And you voted for Biden?
	What you are witnessing in Kabul is on you, because you made it possible by empowering this senile, feckless coward that isn't running anything.
	Let's go straight to your calls.
	Tony, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you, Dr. Gorka.
	In light of that quote that you just gave there, A gentleman I would like to hear from is George W. Bush, and the question that I would want asked has nothing to do with his opinion on what's happening in Afghanistan right now, but rather his opinion of his own vote for Joe Biden in light of what's happening in Afghanistan.
	Yeah, that's a fabulous point, Tony.
	Where are all these people?
	I'd like to hear all the Mattises that deserted, that subverted President Trump, the Kellys, the Haydens, the vociferous, the loud Trumpeteers of Never Trumpetum.
	Where are they now?
	What are they saying, and why are they so very, very quiet?
	And let's start with George W. Bush, who's fine with stabbing quote-unquote fellow Republicans in the back.
	We'll see if he says anything.
	Great, great question.
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	Let's go to our good friend, Ray in Livermore.
	Line four.
	Thank you, Dr. Gorka.
	Thank you for your monologue.
	Thank you, J.D.
	Vance.
	Thank you for all the young men and women of this generation who spilled blood and left their limbs behind in this armpit of the world.
	Oh, this is so sad this day.
	But, Dr. G., this is what leading from behind looks like.
	Yes.
	And I've seen it written, and Obama himself has said this is the third term of Obama.
	There it is, and it shouldn't happen under people like this.
	They despise the military.
	They hate guns, and by extension, they hate our military men.
	And so this badge should be pinned on Biden and Obama and everyone else on the left, because this is what your policies will do.
	And they can point to Trump, but this was a flaming bag of dog dew that was set on Donald Trump's porch when he walked into office.
	It was already there.
	This is mission creep.
	This is what happens when you don't go in and destroy everything and kill the enemy.
	The Bible talks about this.
	When you come against your enemy, you destroy them.
	Yes.
	You can't leave another generation behind to come back and get you.
	So how do you, as a former airborne warrior, what do you say about, you left a certain group out, what about the generals who actually made this all possible and didn't say that these are bad ideas, Ray?
	They're perfume princes and I'm with Colonel Kay.
	Everyone 06 and above has got to go.
	They really do.
	They're politicians.
	They have sharp elbows.
	They're working for political positions and places in the military-industrial complex where they can sell missiles back to the army and make sure that these wars keep going and that they get rich off of it.
	It's really sad.
	Eisenhower was right.
	I love our military.
	I love our military complex that makes a safer place of battle for our men.
	But this has turned into a sick, sick situation.
	And there's no good ending for anybody here with the type of leadership at the very top, the Millies, the Austins, the Blinken.
	These people are a joke.
	It all boils down to leadership, doesn't it?
	Yes, sir.
	I would take an Allen West in charge of our Pentagon right now, or our military.
	I would take a Kurt Slichter, that fellow from Heritage.
	I can't remember his name.
	You have him on regularly.
	Jim Carrafano, yeah.
	Carrafano, all of these guys understand what is really happening there on the ground, and it's sad.
	I said, I've had three nephews that have cycled through Afghanistan, Korea, Iraq, North Africa, and all of them were literally put into assignments that had nothing to do with their MOS.
	They trained and they trained and they trained.
	They volunteered to be part of this, and then they're stuck in the motor pool doing stupid crap.
	Oh, Dr. G, I'm so upset at what's going on here.
	I can hear the frustration on your voice.
	We're going to be taking as many calls as we can along with our guest today.
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	Maria is going to be next.
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	Alright, what do you want to say?
	Okay, I'm going to do Rudy at the top here.
	Yup.
	Rudy at the top, copy that.
	Got it.
	Oh yeah, I already got it.
	Okay, okay.
	90 seconds and no sign of the so-called president yet.
	Are they at least showing the room?
	No, it's still, they're just showing B-roll of Afghanistan.
	Oh, they have General Jack Keane on the phone right now.
	This is something I read, not sure if you heard this.
	Lawrence Chambers, who is the commander of the USS Midway during the evacuation of Vietnam, he spoke out on this saying that he thinks what's happening in Afghanistan right now is worse than Vietnam.
	He's still alive?
	Yes, he is.
	He is 92.
	Wow.
	He was the one who literally gave the order to shove all the South Vietnamese helicopters off the deck into the ocean so the Vietcong wouldn't get them.
	Operation Frequent Wind.
	I think this means Trump will be the 45th and 48th president.
	His camel will be 47.
	Oh yeah.
	That's good!
	You gotta tweet that out, Jeff, and send it to me.
	That's so good.
	We're already working Biden out at this point.
	I mean it, Jeff.
	That is a genius tweet.
	That is so good.
	45th.
	Take that, Grover Cleveland.
	Alright, 20 seconds standby.
	Standing by.
	Coming in with a liner.
	Yeah.
	Disclaimer, I mean.
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	Maria, Los Angeles.
	Welcome to America First.
	Hello, Dr. Gorka.
	Hey, hey.
	Your kindred spirit here.
	My family all knows too well.
	What transpires in a country when they had to escape Poland and the tyrannical rule there?
	This is shocking, what is going on in America, truly shocking.
	Within a matter of six to seven months, this administration has brought America to its knees.
	We are being laughed at by dictators and terrorists across the world.
	And make no mistake, they're on the move.
	You know, this gives them the signal to move.
	We're shrinking?
	Make no mistake, America has clear interest in the sphere of interest in areas of the world.
	Why are we always cutting and running?
	We're, you know, here we go again in Afghanistan.
	What a show of cowardice.
	It is.
	While dictators are hardballing, they're playing in the sandbox.
	This is an embarrassment.
	But here's the good news.
	I think the disastrous precipitation, the fall from grace so rapidly in less than eight months, will mean many, many more people wake up to the reality of what it means to be a Democrat today, and they will reject that party.
	Thank you, Maria.
	Let's stay with the ladies.
	Judy in Brooklyn, welcome to America First.
	Hi, Dr. Gorka, thanks.
	A few things I want to say, listening to Marie and everything.
	2022 should be about Trumpism versus communism and terrorism, okay?
	That's what the election should be about.
	I like that, I like that.
	Thank you, thank you.
	Also, shame on Biden and all these responsible for the catastrophic withdrawal screw-up, if you may.
	And I can't help it, I think it could be deliberate, I'm not sure, because who in the world Withdrawals like this, President Trump's plan, Dr. Gorka, was first he was going to safely get the civilians out, number one.
	Then he was going to get the weapons and the machinery out so the Taliban can't get to them.
	Then he was going to get the military last word.
	They were going to destroy bases and anything else, including the air, to hamper the Taliban.
	Okay?
	Probably the interpreter.
	I don't think it's on purpose because this is going to be very bad for his party.
	But I love your description of the next election.
	It's Trumpism versus communism and terrorism.
	Beautifully put, Judy.
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	Withdraw our forces or escalating the conflict and sending thousands more American troops back into combat in Afghanistan, lurching into the third decade of conflict.
	I stand squarely behind my decision.
	After 20 years, I've learned the hard way.
	That there was never a good time to withdraw U.S.
	forces.
	That's why we're still there.
	We were clear-eyed about the risks.
	Remarkable, remarkable, remarkable.
	The man who bears the title of President of the United States is speaking now and he is doubling down.
	You just heard him live.
	He stands by his decision to withdraw from Afghanistan and all the mayhem, the murder that has resulted.
	Let's talk to somebody who I'm sure sees things very, very differently.
	Proudly representing the 1st Congressional District of Louisiana, a good friend of America First.
	He is, of course, the House Republican Whip, Congressman Steve Scalise.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Sebastian, always great to be back with you, buddy.
	We played a clip from you in the first hour of the show with a very different take.
	I have to ask you, this is live, this is breaking news.
	Are you not shocked by the fact of what we've seen?
	The people walking around, the Taliban taking over the presidential palace, people clambering on aircraft from the Air Force, falling off it to their deaths.
	Are you not shocked that Biden is doubling down and saying he's proud of his decision?
	Sebastian, this is just an unbelievable disconnect from reality.
	I mean, what we're experiencing right now is an epic failure of foreign policy under President Biden.
	This is all on him.
	This was his policy.
	But keep in mind, Sebastian, just a few days ago, President Biden was saying that this was not going to happen.
	Remember, he even said, no, this isn't going to be like Saigon.
	You're not going to see helicopters evacuate the embassy.
	And yet, what do we see just a few days later?
	We see helicopters evacuating the embassy.
	We see everything being overrun, the whole country falling.
	They can't even manage the airport.
	They didn't even try to help evacuate Americans and those interpreters, the Afghans who were helping our men and women in uniform during the last 20 years, who we could have gotten out before we pulled out the troops.
	Biden didn't do any of that.
	He literally presided over an epic failure that he himself said was going to go differently.
	And now that he gets it wrong, what does he do?
	He tries to blame everybody but himself and then says he's going to double down on failure.
	My God, can't you at least learn from your mistakes and not repeat them?
	But here he is trying to, say, justify what is maybe one of the worst foreign policy failures we've seen in generations.
	So you, to me, represent one of those rare breeds of politician that isn't really a politician.
	You are in touch with the people of Louisiana.
	You're in touch with the 74 million people who chose Donald Trump for his second term.
	I have to ask you, with that sense of reality or that connection with the American people, this is the only thing I want to know right now, despite the fact that I'm a national security guy, strategy's my thing, is this moment Going to be enough for millions of Americans to say, to wake up and see what has happened to the Democrat Party and who Joe Biden is.
	I can't think of another event that will do that.
	Is this not finally that moment?
	You're seeing it play out that way right now.
	You're seeing people like you watch CNN, even they're criticizing Joe Biden because we're on the heels of the 20th anniversary of 9-11.
	If you look at the Taliban, they're taking over a country now.
	They're in the presidential palace.
	They're in our embassy.
	And we have a porous open southern border where you have people on the terrorist watch list coming across.
	I mean, they just released 5,000 hardened criminals yesterday out of the prison, some of whom were at Guantanamo Bay when Obama and Biden were in the last time.
	And this was the Obama-Biden team, by the way, who referred to them as the JV team.
	Now, who looks like the JV team now?
	For goodness sake, people are embarrassed.
	At this failure of foreign policy under Joe Biden, whether you're Republican or Democrat, because not only do you know this is bad for America's national security, you know it's bad for our allies around the world.
	Sure, those in Afghanistan, but what about our allies in other countries?
	They're saying it right now.
	They're disgusted by what President Biden has presided over.
	He created this mess, and our enemies are surely watching it.
	China's involved in a lot of this.
	You don't think they're thrilled to death.
	Russia's got to be thrilled to death.
	This is really, really bad in a lot of ways for whatever the Biden foreign policy is.
	Frankly, he ought to at least be fine with the American people.
	He either knew this was going to happen and misled people two weeks ago, or he was misled by his own advisors and he ought to clean house.
	But either way, he was telling the American people something that was 180 degrees different just two weeks ago than what happened, which means either he was misled by a failed team or he misled people.
	Either one's not a good option.
	But he needs to take ownership of that.
	He needs to have accountability for that because we can't let this happen again.
	We can't let this be the foreign policy team that drives us for the next few years until we win the White House back.
	We're talking to Congressman and Whip Steve Scalise.
	Follow him at Steve Scalise on Twitter.
	What does this mean for your party, for the Republicans, for Conservatives?
	Is there any role we have to play right now or is it up to Biden to be removed by the 25th Amendment?
	Is it up to the Democrats to Fire people like Millie, because if we're looking for logical actions, the last seven months don't seem to be indicative of any logic, especially you mentioned the southern border.
	The southern border will now be exploited by terrorist groups that are going to retrench themselves in Afghanistan.
	So do we just have to wait until the elections, Congressman Scalise?
	No, now's the time we have to be vocal, Sebastian.
	We've got to be calling out President Biden for this epic failure.
	We've got to be calling out people around him.
	If anyone around him does not agree with this policy, they ought to resign in disgrace.
	They ought to demand that things are different.
	But President Biden is getting a lot of pressure, and I think he's going to get a lot of pressure in the next days to reverse course to figure out What he did wrong with his foreign policy.
	He's not admitting it now.
	He's not taking ownership now.
	But everybody's watching this play out.
	I mean, there are bodies in the streets of Kabul right now.
	And it was predictable.
	Many of, you know, Mike McCaul, others in the foreign affairs world on the Republican side were telling the Obama team this would, Biden team, this would happen if he did this this way.
	And he did it anyway.
	He can't say we didn't think this was going to happen, even though he said that two weeks ago.
	And today he's saying, well, we expected this would happen.
	No, he didn't.
	That's not what he told the American people just two weeks ago.
	It's time he's candid with the American people and take ownership of this.
	People expect that in our commander in chief.
	We're not getting it yet.
	It's got to change quickly.
	Last question.
	I called you at last minute.
	You had a 10-minute window for us.
	God bless you and thank you, Congressman Scalise.
	Last question.
	What is your message to all your constituents in the state of Louisiana and across the nation who bled, who were injured or lost limbs in that godforsaken country that is Afghanistan?
	What is your message today?
	That was the first place that my mind went when I saw this, is all of those men and women in uniform who gave so much, their lives, their limbs, their treasure, and to see it fall like this.
	Again, President Trump wanted to withdraw troops, but he didn't withdraw troops in a way that the country collapsed.
	President Biden created this mess.
	We need to demand better.
	This cannot be the norm of our foreign policy in America.
	It is what the foreign policy of Biden is today.
	This cannot be the norm.
	Our allies don't want America to be weak.
	Our allies don't want us to fail.
	And yet, that's what we're seeing today play out.
	It's a major embarrassment and it's an indictment upon a failed foreign policy.
	President Biden needs to change course and do it quickly.
	Failed and failed in less than eight months.
	Thank you for joining us, Congressman Scalise.
	Follow this man right now, this great American patriot, at Steve Scalise.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Alright, clear.
	Um, I'm gonna go use the restroom real quick, Dr. G, if that's okay.
	You set it up so I can, uh, call up Solomon?
	Uh, yeah.
	You're good.
	Awesome.
	Alright.
	You want me to dial him now, Seb, or wait a bit?
	Just wait a bit.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Biden didn't say much.
	He's still going.
	Is he still going?
	But he did say that a lot of the Afghan people that worked with us, they didn't want to leave earlier.
	That's why they weren't taken out before.
	Can you feed it to me now?
	Don't worry about it, because he's gone.
	I will not pass this responsibility on to a fifth president.
	I will not mislead the American people by claiming that just a little more time in Afghanistan will make all the difference.
	Nor will I shrink from my share of responsibility for where we are today.
	and how we must move forward from here.
	I am president of the United States of America.
	Yes.
	Can you tell SOS Urgent, whoever does the MyPillow, that I need two of them express mail to the radio station here?
	No, I always do!
	I just forgot it!
	And my wife said, oh they'll be there in the house.
	Now you know I travel with them.
	You make fun of me.
	No, I always do.
	I just forgot it.
	And my wife said, oh, they'll be there in the house.
	Yeah, right.
	And kill Osama bin Laden was a success.
	A decades-long effort to overcome.
	Where was he?
	There's been a lot in hiding, Joe.
	Where was he?
	And climate change and remake Afghanistan was not.
	And I wrote and believed it never could be.
	I cannot and will not ask our troops to fight on endlessly in another country's civil war, taking casualties, suffering life-shattering injuries, leaving families broken by grief and loss.
	This is not in our national security interest.
	It is not what the American people want.
	It is not what our troops, who have sacrificed so much over the past two decades, deserve.
	I made a commitment to the American people when I ran for president that I would bring America's military involvement in Afghanistan to an end.
	I want to comment with COT7, okay?
	COT7.
	Yes.
	Well, it's been hard and messy.
	And yes, far from perfect.
	I've honored that commitment.
	More importantly, I made a commitment to the brave men and women who served this nation that I wasn't going to ask them to continue to risk their lives in a military action that should have ended long ago.
	Our leaders did that in Vietnam when I got here as a young man with the fall of Kabul.
	I will not do it in Afghanistan.
	I know my decision will be criticized, but I would rather take all that criticism and pass this decision on to another President of the United States, yet another, a fifth one.
	Because it's the right one.
	It's the right decision for our people.
	The right one for our brave service members who risked their lives serving our nation.
	It's the right one for America.
	Loud and clear.
	Sounds good.
	Awesome.
	Hey, John.
	We have you.
	Hey, Sam.
	How are you?
	Good.
	Good.
	Fifteen seconds.
	What a day.
	Standby.
	Coming in with contact.
	Seven.
	Alright.
	Stay safe.
	Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
	music When Joe Biden became president, he inherited a situation in which the United States had a modest investment in Afghanistan.
	We had come down from 100,000 troops to 3,000 troops.
	Our role had been severely circumscribed.
	There hadn't been a combat fatality since February 2020.
	So I think one conversation we need to have is why was it?
	That the previous president and this president both felt so compelled to leave Afghanistan.
	Incredible.
	Richard Haass, the president of the Council on Foreign Relations, saying that this mess is something that was inherited by Biden.
	It's strange, because I was in the Trump White House, and we didn't see the scenes happening in background when we were in the White House.
	MSNBC did nothing to challenge him, but that's the state of the mainstream lying legacy media.
	Let's talk to somebody who's pushing back with real journalism.
	He is the creator, the editor-in-chief of justthenews.com.
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	Jay Solomon reports.
	John, welcome back to America First.
	Good to be with you.
	So today's an interesting day because there's a juxtaposition between clips like that where I showed you somebody peddling absolute garbage and getting zero pushback from the mainstream legacy media hosts.
	And then there's Clearly left-wing organs like the Atlantic that are doing massive pieces slamming Biden and putting this Saigon-esque legacy at his doorstep.
	I don't want to paint the devil on the wall.
	I don't want to call early predictions.
	But could this be, let's put it at least like this, the end of the honeymoon for the current incumbent?
	Yeah, I think so.
	Listen, I think the honeymoon was starting to fray a few weeks ago with inflation and some of the economic figures showing that there's an economy in disrepair.
	But this war ending is going to drive a sliver through the Democratic Party.
	It's going to divide the party.
	There'll be some who are war hawks who think we should stay, some for reasons like women's rights and things like that, and others who will say we should have got out just like Donald Trump and others said, but the way we executed the exit is an absolute abomination.
	And I think at the end of the day, Uh, you know, there's been all the comparisons to Saigon.
	This moment was inevitable.
	Donald Trump set it in motion in terms of we were going to withdraw our troops.
	It didn't have to happen this way, though.
	And I've heard some people today say this is more akin to the Bay of Pigs.
	And I think there's some real, uh, good reasons to use that as a parallel here, because the Biden administration had plenty of time to plan for an orderly exit, to not be in the situation we're in now, where Americans are trapped and They don't know if they're going to get out of the airport or blown up on the plane when they leave.
	And we had to send 6,000 troops in.
	It's the execution of the exit that is the abomination right now.
	Not so much the strategy, because the strategy decision was made two years ago in a bipartisan fashion.
	It's the execution.
	Joe Biden's team executed this badly.
	Yeah, and it will have global ramifications.
	Just before we started the show, you texted me one of the latest stories from your website, justthenews.com.
	Will you share with our millions of listeners across the nation what the Global Times has already said, which is a mouthpiece for the Communist Party of mainland China?
	Yeah, listen, there are two reasons you want to execute the exit right.
	One is to protect American lives coming out.
	They shouldn't be in the jeopardy.
	And the second is American soft power relies on our ability to show that we treated our allies and our own people well.
	And we did not do that in this case.
	And so someone like China now says, hey, you guys in Taiwan, if there's a conflict, I wouldn't count on the United States.
	They fumbled Afghanistan so badly.
	What makes you think they'll be able to effectively defend you?
	That is an extraordinary shot across the bow.
	It gives China an extraordinary psychological operations advantage, and there's not much that the United States can say in reply.
	And so what happens now, over the next one to six months, all of the failures of this exit will be used by our enemies to sow distrust against our allies, and possibly, thinking that our eyes off the ball, maybe to launch some sort of a military incursion or something to test Americans' resolve.
	It's exactly why you wanted to get this exit correct from the beginning.
	so that the Chinas and the Russias of the world and the North Koreas and the Iranians don't feel an opportunity to grab at our power and to diminish American superiority around the globe.
	I feel weird doing this, but I guess it's okay because we're dedicating the whole final hour of today's show to analyzing the consequences of what's happening in Kabul and across the whole of Afghanistan with one of the world's experts. but I guess it's okay because we're dedicating the whole The world's experts.
	Professor Walid Faris will be with us.
	So we're going to dedicate the final hour to that discussion and take some of your calls here on America First.
	If you've especially served in the region on 833-33 Gorka.
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	Is it true?
	334-6752.
	So I don't feel so bad about talking about other news.
	Is it true?
	Is it true, John, that John Durham does exist and he might actually be inditing low-level peons across the Department of Justice?
	is Yes, listen, I've been saying this on your show for months, and I'm glad to see the Wall Street Journal caught up to the reporting.
	There has been a grand jury activity.
	There has been a very thorough investigation.
	You know, this is going to be the tortoise and the hare story.
	The tortoise may have a lot more impact when he's done.
	It has taken a lot longer than anyone imagined.
	Some of it is because they have fought some of the defendants or suspects or witnesses have fought grand jury subpoenas slowing down the process along with COVID.
	But John Durham has shown resolve, and everything I have seen on the ground is that they're acting like a prosecutorial office about to launch a few indictments and then to write a report that will make everything that happened clear, that will get answers to so many of the questions.
	I know witnesses that have spent 20, 30, 40, 50 hours in the chair with John Durham's team.
	That is a thorough investigation.
	Though slow and late, I think people will be surprised by the outcome.
	I think there's going to be some accountability.
	Did you catch what he said at the beginning there?
	He said, they're finally caught up with me and I've been reporting this for months.
	That's why he's a regular and that's why you need to bookmark justthenews.com because you get the real information before anybody else.
	But the bad news is, from your sources, these aren't cabinet members, these aren't agency heads, these are lower level individuals potentially, correct?
	Yeah, listen, I still think that some of the leadership of the FBI may be in the crosshairs to some degree, but I think most of the people who are handling the sources, the Christopher Steeles of the world, that they are likely in jeopardy on the question of did they know what they were feeding the court and the FBI leadership was false when they passed it along?
	I think that's the question that John Durham set out to resolve, and I think the answer is going to be some did pass along bogus information knowing it was bad.
	Thank you, John.
	We're going to release you to get back to giving us just the news, justthenews.com.
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	Yes.
	You still only have the first three lines full with the... We got another call, though.
	That's 14.
	Alright.
	Jeff, we got another call.
	Hey, do you want the one cut I pulled where he blames Trump-Biden just now?
	Yes!
	Yes!
	It's about 30 seconds.
	Yes, um... Blames his evacuation plan.
	Wow.
	OK, I'll do that after the American financing.
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	What's it called?
	It's just the last one I did.
	Oh, did you?
	And we've got the woman, right?
	The CNN woman?
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	mics are back on Make sure I have this right.
	They're just chanting death to America, but they seem friendly at the same time.
	It's utterly bizarre.
	That is definitely bizarre.
	Someone was sharing an image, like, the date.
	That was on Sunday, I think.
	On Saturday, that same woman was in CNN reporting, like, dressed normally.
	Dressed like an American woman would.
	And then the next day, she's wearing the whole, the... Berk, whatever that's called.
	So... Just like that.
	One minute.
	Coming in with that.
	Okay.
	Financing.
	Alright, what do you want to say?
	Coming in with that.
	Okay, so coming with that.
	Financing.
	Then the cut.
	30 seconds.
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	Turn your radio.
	Thank you.
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	They're just chanting death to America, but they seem friendly at the same time.
	It's utterly bizarre.
	No, you're bizarre because you're CNN.
	They're chanting death to America, but they seem peaceful.
	That's CNN.
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	Taking your calls momentarily, but here, of course, is what the man who bears the title of President just said about the chaos When I came into office, I inherited a deal that President Trump negotiated with the Taliban.
	Under his agreement, U.S.
	forces would be out of Afghanistan by May 1, 2021, just a little over three months after I took office.
	U.S.
	forces had already drawn down during the Trump administration from roughly 15,500 American forces to 2,500 troops in country.
	And the Taliban was at its strongest militarily since 2001.
	The only problem with you trying to blame other people is that we drew down troops across the world and nowhere did it lead to a national collapse.
	You're in government for seven months and it's a disaster.
	You're a liar, and you can't even take responsibility.
	Let's go to your cause.
	We've got people with personal experience or family experience with what's going on.
	Let's go to Janice in New Hampshire.
	Welcome to America First.
	Hi, Sebastian.
	Hi.
	You're a very nice looking guy, you know.
	No, my daughter was in Afghanistan and she's not now.
	She's retired.
	But she got out early.
	Thank God she did because we worried about her.
	But I do not think that Biden can handle any more policies.
	He's done all he's gonna do.
	What does that mean, Janice?
	He can't handle anymore?
	He's done what he's gonna do?
	What does that mean?
	Well, what he's done so far with the economy, everything's rising, the pipeline, and now this, Afghanistan?
	I mean, Trump... We've been hoping for Trump here for quite some time.
	They keep telling us on the news that Trump's going to be in.
	We watch these shows all the time where he's going to be coming in soon.
	What do you mean coming in soon?
	I don't understand.
	What do you mean, Janice, coming in soon?
	Yes, but there's no way to undo it.
	There's no legal way to undo it.
	You know, anybody telling you that, they don't know what they're talking about.
	We've got to win the midterms.
	No, it's not going to happen.
	You can't reinstate a president after the electoral college has met.
	We've got to get him reelected in 2024.
	But it was an election that was stolen.
	Yes, but there's no way to undo it.
	There's no legal way to undo it.
	You've got to have a way to undo it.
	Because what they were saying was that the military was going to take...
	That's garbage, Janice.
	That's utter, complete garbage.
	Would you want to live in an America where the military took over the government?
	I wouldn't want to live in that America, would you?
	No, not if they're woke.
	I wouldn't want to live in any country where the military takes control.
	That's called a junta.
	That's called a dictatorship.
	It's what happened in Franco's Spain.
	It's what happened in Argentina.
	You do not want to live in a nation where the military takes political control.
	I understand.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Janice.
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	It's not Saigon, it's the Bay of Pigs.
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	Pisaki took the right week to go on vacation.
	Yeah, I saw that.
	She's on vacation too.
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	Oh, this is D. I don't understand why some tweets just work.
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	Hello?
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	You're on America First.
	It's a pleasure to talk to you, Dr. Gorka.
	Thank you for joining us.
	So, basically, I wanted to say, like, where's all, like, General Milley and Lloyd Austin on all this?
	You haven't heard anything about, like, their stance on the whole thing.
	I really haven't heard much about that either.
	No, they haven't said anything.
	They're too busy standing down the armed forces or looking for, what did Millie call it, white rage amongst the U.S. military?
	So, in my honest opinion, I believe that men like that should be cashiered from the military.
	Oh, they should be put in the brig.
	They should be up on sedition charges.
	When you use the word enemies as incoming Secretary of Defense against our military, as the Taliban is getting ready to take back Afghanistan, as you're wokifying the military, as China is taking exclusive exploitation of all that we are doing by creating vacuums across the known universe.
	Absolutely.
	Kashir is too kind, Peyton.
	It's far too kind.
	It's Hayden.
	Hayden.
	Okay, Hayden.
	Sorry, that's Mr. G's typing for you.
	Alright.
	Is that it?
	Hayden?
	You all done?
	Alright, thank you kindly.
	Let's go to our good buddy in Los Angeles, Brent!
	Welcome to America First!
	America's Gentleman Warrior Gorka!
	Hey, less of the Gentleman, more of the Warrior, if you don't mind.
	I could throw in good-looking guy, too.
	Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
	But last week, the slimy, sadistic, treasonous Terminator, Arnold Schwarzenegger, flashed his fascist fangs by demanding Americans to screw their freedom, the freedom he immigrated for.
	Yes!
	Yeah, along with George Soros, to amass fortunes to now transform California into a totalitarian state.
	And this CCP turncoat is today the premier voice for America's Democratic Party, as well as California's corrupt criminal cartel boss, Gavin Newsom.
	And all Americans must fight to free California, and every freedom-loving Californian citizen must vote for Larry Elder to save our magnificent state.
	Yeah, this is such a good point.
	I can't believe I didn't make it when we played those multiple cuts of Arnold saying, literally, screw your freedom.
	That this man came here as an immigrant to be free, and this is how he pays us back.
	An amazing point.
	But of course, it's Brent in Los Angeles.
	Well done, my friend.
	Aaron, Maryland, good friend of the show also.
	Line 5, welcome.
	Oh, what is it with people calling and dropping, guys?
	Show a little persistence.
	Aaron, welcome!
	Hey, Dr. G. So, what's the operational flight hour cost for Marine One?
	I'm going to guess it's probably between, what, like 15 and 20 grand?
	Oh, I would say, given the amount of very special comms it has up the top deck, I would say it's multiples of that, my friend.
	Well, what is it, a 40-minute flight from Shangri-La down there?
	You know, just so you can fly back and have his ice cream time.
	It was a wonderful way to give us the strategic overview of exactly what happened and what went wrong.
	Correct.
	You know, as somebody that was born in the 80s, I've not seen a disaster of foreign policy.
	I'm too young for Iran and I'm too young for Vietnam.
	But this is an utter devastating collapse of the responsibility that is supposed to go in to being the commander in chief.
	Let's stop here for a second because I agree with you, but I don't want us to be blinded by the moment and by our own personal politics.
	you You really think that, right?
	If we wait a year, two years, three years This will be, as somebody, who was it, Steve Scalise said like 40 minutes ago, this will be put down as a failure of epic proportions.
	Correct, Aaron?
	Well, it comes down to business, just like military planning, is all about contingencies and logistics behind it, right?
	Yes.
	And I don't know the plans, and shouldn't, behind the withdrawal that President Trump outlined with his generals at that time.
	But the fact that the assessments that boil into this were either not listened to or cooked makes it a failure of epic proportions.
	It does.
	And it's not that they weren't listened to, because I know every single one of those spineless generals like Milley, like Admiral Gilday, they didn't tell Biden the truth.
	They were too busy saying, we're hunting white supremacists.
	Well, and that's the other thing.
	If you go back to, you know, the intel assessments about the Soviet Union being a conspiracy within a conspiracy.
	How fearful are these generals of being retaliated against because they don't go along with the revolution?
	And not only that, have you seen the latest DHS terrorism report that just came out?
	Literally, the threat they are looking for, and they name it in this unclassified report, Aaron, is for domestic violent extremists who ask questions about the last election and about health measures like vaccines.
	That's what these people are doing because they have become Zampolit.
	They have become political officers like the Soviet Union had.
	Thank you for your call.
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	Jeff.
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	Put your headphones on.
	I want you to do that 45th and 48th.
	45th and 48th press.
	I didn't hear what you said.
	I got my headphones on.
	You're gonna do the 45th, 48th.
	Oh, alright.
	So good.
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	Is number two still on?
	Is number two serious?
	Yes.
	Oh, I just realized you have a lava lamp in the background.
	Of course I do.
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	Food for the Poor Seriously, Greg in Pittsburgh, are you off your rocker?
	Somebody just called in.
	They've already dropped to say, oh, the fall of Kabul is just to keep people from talking about the border.
	Right, because Biden loves being skewered by all his buddies on the left.
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	Mr. G, are you there?
	Yes, I am.
	What did you tweet out?
	No, I think that this cements it now.
	Donald Trump will be the 45th and 48th President of the United States.
	Interesting.
	Explain that math to our millions of listeners.
	Because I think if it gets really bad, which I think it's going to, the Democrats are going to go throw Joe over the bus.
	So Kamala is number 47, and that makes it even easier for Trump to be 48.
	Oh, that is superb.
	That is superb!
	Not 45 and 47, but 45 and 48.
	Absolutely delicious.
	Let's squeeze in one more call.
	It's Hamid there from L.A.
	Dr. Gorka, good afternoon.
	I have a question.
	How come every time we get Democrats, they lose a major country?
	Forty-five years ago, Carter was president.
	They lost Iran to Mullahs.
	Now Biden Lost Afghanistan to the Mullahs.
	I don't understand in this administration, there is not even one person with a little bit of brain to understand the worst time to pull troops out is between March and October because the roads are clear.
	And if they wanted to come out, if they had a little bit of brain to control it, they could come out between October and March because there are so much snow.
	The Taliban could not get through this easy.
	I don't understand this.
	There is nobody with a little bit of brain in this administration and we are trying to run the country.
	The sad thing is, and we've discussed this again and again, Hamid, they're all stupid.
	And if they have any intelligence, they're arrogant.
	And that is a very, very dangerous combination.
	So, no, you're right, there is nobody intelligent and with a little bit of humility.
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	That didn't come to fruition.
	So the question now is, where do they go from here?
	That, the jury is still out.
	But the likelihood there's going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely.
	That will be a clip that will haunt the man who wears the title of President for the rest of his days.
	A very somber day for us, a very somber day for all Americans who believe that our word should be our bond and that the world is a safer place when America is strong.
	That is not the case today.
	We are going to analyze everything we know so far, given the events occurring in the last 24 hours in Kabul, all over Afghanistan, with a good friend of this show, a former advisor to candidate Trump, a man who knows more about the Middle East and jihad than most people have ever forgotten.
	He's a good friend of mine.
	He is the author of a seminal work called Future Jihad.
	Professor Waleed Faris, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you professor for this invitation and thank you for your great work to help public opinion understand all matters on national security and foreign policy.
	Thank you.
	You're too kind.
	Let me start with an assessment that I've shared since we opened the show today that is a bleak one, and it goes as follows.
	You can look at the last six months, the last seven months, as a Obama 3.0, if you will.
	And as such, we analyzed the eight years of the Obama administration's foreign policy.
	We saw a precipitous foreign policy in Syria, in Libya, and elsewhere.
	Withdrawal of troops far too early in Iraq that led, literally led, to the rise of ISIS.
	The same is happening now in Afghanistan, but it could be even worse.
	Why, Professor Faris?
	Because, of course, Afghanistan is where Al-Qaeda engineered the deadliest terror attack in modern times, that of September the 11th.
	Is this hyperbole, or could the fall of Afghanistan so rapidly be even more consequential than the fall of Iraq under Obama?
	Professor, you and I have discussed it just a few months ago, that any wrong move in Afghanistan, which is an abrupt withdrawal, without making sure that the Taliban are disarmed, is going to be, and is now, a catastrophe, a full catastrophe.
	In 2014, as you recall, I published a book, The Lost Spring, trying to avoid future catastrophe of US foreign policy.
	That was under Obama, as you just mentioned.
	Now we're having it.
	This is the catastrophe of an administration that went to discussions and negotiations like for the last six months with the Taliban and were fooled by the Taliban and now the Taliban are actually in control of the country.
	So I associate my projection with yours is we are dealing with a real serious crisis in foreign policy and I don't know how The American people would be able to fix it before two things happen.
	Next year's elections and 2024 elections.
	That's the only way to change this foreign policy.
	Yeah.
	Let's look at the way not Americans will react.
	That'll come later.
	Let's look at the way our enemies and our friends are reacting right now.
	Let's start with those who are our enemies, our adversaries, and those who are Professor, first of all, let's start with the enemies, the foes.
	This has been and is going to be a historic week for them.
	Pakistan, how does Saudi Arabia, how do the fundamentalists, how does Iran look at the events of just the last 72 hours in Central Asia, Dr. Farris?
	Professor, first of all, let's start with the enemies, the foes.
	This has been and is going to be a historic week for them.
	That's the return of the Taliban to power.
	I've been monitoring not just worldwide channels, but social media.
	You have from Hezbollah to Hamas, to the Muslim Brotherhood, to all the supporters of the Taliban, to Daesh, ISIS, across the world, from Sahel in Africa to Central Asia, to the shores of the Mediterranean, Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia, Celebrating this as one of the biggest victories for Jihad.
	Taking back Afghanistan from the United States is to them the apex of victories.
	And, you know, anybody goes online and can see that.
	Iran, of course, which is not really friendly with the Taliban, but has cut a deal with the Taliban.
	Which is, okay, you Taliban will do everything you can to crumble the government.
	Push the United States out, and we have an agreement together of non-belligerence for a while, because Iran is interested in a piece of Afghanistan, and Taliban will try to control all of it.
	So now we have a cocktail of enemies that have never been so strong since 9-11, starting from the Taliban in Afghanistan, then Iran, then Iranian militias across the board to the Mediterranean, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, And then obviously the jihadists are still loose in northern Syria and in Libya.
	So I could go on for an hour and I won't, but let's visit quickly.
	Russia has an opportunity now in northern Afghanistan.
	China has the mother of opportunities.
	And we're going to see it in the next maybe months, how China is going to use a corridor from the northwest of China all the way through northern Afghanistan into Iran.
	So there will be a highway linking China to Iran All the way to the Eastern Mediterranean and the Russian deployment there.
	Pakistan obviously has two forces, one which is moderate, secular, they don't have much power, and one which is the Taliban of Pakistan.
	And they are celebrating, they are projecting that the jihadi power, as we call them, UNI, will start in Pakistan and end all the way in Central Asia.
	Our friends are very nervous, starting with Israel, obviously.
	They understand because they're from the region, and they have been fighting off the jihadists.
	But our new friends, the Arab coalition that President Trump helped launch in Riyadh, as we all recall, in 2017.
	That would be the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Bahrain.
	All these allies are extremely nervous now.
	The way we handled Afghanistan, we have actually revived one of their deep enemies, the jihadists.
	And I would end with one point that we could discuss.
	The minorities in the region, those who are still fighting with the help of the United States, namely the Kurds of Syria are nervous, the Kurds of Iraq are nervous, Arab Sunni tribes are nervous to see the way we have handled the situation.
	So I wouldn't be very optimistic as to our foreign policy in the region.
	After the way we handled Afghanistan.
	We're talking to Waleed Faris, professor, author of Future Jihad, a seminal work, a man who advised candidate Trump.
	Given that we are in the 20th anniversary of September the 11th, 19 plus years of war in Afghanistan, over 2000 dead, 20,000 wounded.
	more than $2 trillion invested in that war and in that country.
	What does it say to the power of the fundamentalists?
	This isn't the Tet Offensive.
	This isn't Saigon.
	This isn't the early 70s.
	They basically captured Afghanistan and the capital with barely a shot being fired.
	What does this say about the strength of the fundamentalists in Afghanistan today, Professor?
	On the ground, this is telling them that defeating the allies of the United States is possible, forcing the United States via pressures and via propaganda.
	And I will talk about what they have been trying to do, both the Brotherhood and Iran, to get to this point.
	They actually fooled us, or the administration and their allies.
	The general feeling among jihadists and Islamists is that it's feasible.
	And in their literature, throughout the past 20 years, and I've been very attentive to this, including in books, as you know, they have said, what is 10 years, what are 20 years, 30 years, at the end of the day, jihad will win.
	And that was offered to them this week.
	And, you know, if you go to, as I said, to social media or web resources, you will see that there is a euphoria.
	uh... among them and they believe that after afghanistan that would be the other stands in central asia there would be uh... it bringing down of arab countries and regimes they're clear about it's not you don't need to be an analyst so uh... what we have done what this government has done this administration has done is actually removing twenty years of american national security history twenty years well but what an incredibly uh...
	Disturbing way to think of it.
	20 years gone.
	I would say, given the weapons that we left behind and exactly that propaganda message of success they are able to broadcast around the world today, I would say it is even worse than 20 years behind.
	It is a huge, huge victory for the jihadis.
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	We are back with the author of Future Jihad, former foreign policy and national security advisor to candidate Donald Trump.
	He is Professor Walid Faris.
	Follow him on Twitter at W-A-L-I-D P-H-A-R-E-S.
	He is our expert for all things when it comes to global jihad.
	And I want to talk about this threat specifically and the consequences of the events we are witnessing today in Afghanistan.
	Professor Faris, I was in Afghanistan in 2006.
	I've spent 20 years plus looking at the ideology of the fundamentalists like ISIS, like al-Qaeda, like al-Nusra.
	And one thing that struck me way back when with regards to the Taliban, to the Afghan jihadists is that their ideology for various reasons was very provincial.
	They said that we've created a caliphate but that caliphate was a small part of Afghanistan and they didn't have any ambitions or rather they didn't have any capabilities to project that ideology to a broader geography.
	They weren't about taking over multiple countries and they didn't have the capacity to do so.
	That could have all changed in the last few years, couldn't it?
	If you look at the capacities they have now captured, this could be a far, far more ambitious Taliban than we have ever seen!
	Absolutely.
	You are strategically right.
	The new Taliban we are going to be witnessing are the super Taliban, or jihadists on steroids.
	They have now the experiences not just of Al-Qaeda everywhere around the world, They will obtain the experience of Daesh, ISIS.
	They, of course, are taking advantage of the teachings of the Muslim Brotherhood.
	Remember, they have been successful in the discussions in Qatar, even with our people, through the support of the Brotherhood.
	But more importantly, as we all saw on TV, live, the Taliban have seized a lot of American-made weapons.
	You have Taliban in Humvees now.
	You have Taliban with M16s.
	But more important, you have Taliban who have been able and will be able to learn our military tactics and secrets from units from the Afghan army who surrendered to them.
	So what you are saying, Professor, is absolutely true.
	Terrifying.
	But let me go one inch beyond that.
	Those Taliban are not gonna abide by any agreement they sign.
	Because, you know, in jihadist ideology, you could lie.
	You call it taqiyya.
	And then when you control the land, when you control the power, then you unveil who you really are.
	So what they're gonna do is they're gonna bring back Al-Qaeda, neo-Al-Qaeda.
	They already have sections of ISIS.
	That was even under our occupation.
	So I do project, like you do, that Afghanistan is going to be the real core of the caliphate.
	It was in Emirates.
	Now they're going to call it Emirates, but soon to be.
	They will declare it as the launching pad for the caliphate they lost in Syria and Iraq.
	So let's put this all into the amazing context of everything that you've taught us as the expertise.
	Your book, Future Jihad, is a seminal work.
	We had the Muslim Brotherhood that was the grandfather of it all, founded just four years after Kemal Mustafa Ataturk dissolved the first caliphate, with the express mission of re-establishing a theocratic caliphate.
	So that was the progenitor of all modern theocratic and jihadi groups.
	Eventually, under Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda, the base for the propagation of holy war against Jews and Crusaders, which is the full name of Al-Qaeda, nobody ever says that except people like yourself, that became the most well-known, the most famous, deadly version of that ideology, to be superseded, eventually, after Obama pulled out of Iraq, by ISIS.
	Could it be?
	Could it be that now this new emirate, whatever other name it takes, but the Taliban emirate in Afghanistan could be now the successor to both Al-Qaeda and ISIS and be the new global brand of jihad?
	Professor, you named it.
	This is it.
	This is the ultimate metamorphose, as we say in French, of the jihadist ideology.
	And exactly as you said, It started in the mid or early 20s with the Ikhwan, the Muslim Brotherhood.
	They were the ones who reactivated with the collapse of the caliphate, the Ottoman caliphate.
	So there is no more authority somewhere in the region that was a state like the Ottomans.
	So the caliphate is the goal, has been the goal, will continue to be the goal.
	These organizations are just tools to get there.
	And they get there through stages, through different countries.
	And yes, after al-Ikhwan, And after Hamas, and after all these mutations, there was Al-Qaeda, we defeated Al-Qaeda, and now after that you had ISIS, Daesh, and indeed what we are witnessing right now.
	And we'll see it in a few months, and you and I will discuss it.
	The re-establishment of that trend towards the caliphate, they already gave it a name now, the Islamic Emirates.
	Of Afghanistan.
	Why?
	Because they're going to establish an Islamic emirate in every country they will be able to control.
	And the role of Pakistan, now that their friends, the friends of the fundamentalists in Pakistan, the ISI and the military, have retaken Afghanistan, they will be working hand-in-glove with this new Islamic emirate, will they not?
	That's my great concern.
	And to tell you the truth, I've been spending hours now trying to get Some inside information from Pakistan, because as I said earlier, they are an element of secular political parties in Pakistan, but they are in the opposition.
	What concerns me are the Taliban and the jihadists and the Salafis of Pakistan, who have deep influence in the armed forces.
	Officials, ambassadors, always tell me, no, there is an elite that controls everything.
	But we've heard that story before.
	I mean, that elite could be overrun by these jihadists.
	And Pakistan is not your local country.
	This is a nuclear country and has a very large military.
	And last point, what concerns me is that the consequences on the tensions between Pakistan and India.
	Absolutely.
	We will continue.
	We're talking to Dr. Waleed Fares.
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	We are back with the author of Future Jihad and more recently The Lost Spring, an expert on jihadi ideology on the Middle East and on threat groups like Al-Qaeda, ISIS and the Taliban, Waleed Fares.
	Let's finish off the last thought before we jump on to the next one.
	Pakistan has always wanted Afghanistan as its rear echelon, it's retreat area in a war with India.
	It has been friendly, the ISI, the military have been friendly with the Taliban.
	Today's events in Afghanistan can do nothing but heighten the tensions between the two nuclear nations of Pakistan and India, correct?
	Absolutely.
	They are already.
	If you read Pakistani and Indian media presses, that's what you see.
	And you know, we work on projecting into the future, within weeks or months, if the international community led by the United States, led by this administration, don't do anything significant to address what happened.
	And frankly, Seb, for the first time, I don't know what to advise, because the mistakes are so large that I don't know how we're going to handle.
	But if we don't address the situation between India and Pakistan, we are heading to something Much larger and bigger than any conflict in the Middle East.
	And let's look at, you're talking about projecting into the future, let's look at what this administration has already said its priorities are.
	Instead of fighting jihadists, instead of saying China is the issue, we have a very, very strange man at the top of the Department of Defense.
	His name is Lloyd Austin and this is what he said his priorities are as the new Secretary of Defense.
	And to rid our ranks of racists and extremists.
	And to create a climate where everyone fit and willing has the opportunity to serve this country with dignity.
	The job of the Department of Defense is to keep America safe from our enemies.
	But we can't do that if some of those enemies lie within our own ranks.
	So, looking for enemies in the U.S.
	military as opposed to enemies abroad, doesn't that make the theocrats in Islamabad, in Tehran, and now in Kabul smile, Dr. Fares?
	Oh, a very long, wide smile.
	Professor, you and I know more than many around us, because you taught to the military for many years, and I did for 20 years.
	We know very well.
	That there is no so-called deep racism embedded in U.S.
	armed forces.
	I mean, the American forces are the ones who defeated fascism, landed in Normandy and went through, and of course, the Italian fascists and the Japanese militaristic.
	This accusation to the armed forces of the United States that they are harboring racist and other far extremist ideologies should have been done.
	during the Obama years against the Jihadists, against those who try to penetrate, against the major Hassans of this world, those who penetrate our forces and our bases.
	So I am deeply disturbed by the fact that the energy that we should have to uproot radical ideologies like Jihadism has been transformed into an image that really doesn't exist in reality.
	And that is very, very, very bad for us.
	The book is Future Jihad.
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	We have to talk about this administration's culpability for the events in Afghanistan.
	Let's listen to the chief diplomat, Antony Blinken, from the Biden administration.
	We're looking across the board at the increasing danger posed by white supremacist groups around the world.
	And this is a growing problem and a growing challenge.
	So it's something we're looking at and we'll have to decide how we can be most effective for our part in dealing with the problem.
	So, Professor, priorities for the Biden State Department are hunting down white supremacists across the globe.
	Have any white supremacists toppled governments lately?
	What is the white supremacy nexus, oh, I don't know, in Iran, in Afghanistan, in Pakistan?
	Your reaction to the state of foreign policy praxis in this, the greatest nation on God's Earth?
	Well, if we follow that projection by the Secretary of State, we would consider that white supremacists, as he called them, are firing these rockets and missiles from Gaza to Israel and those other missiles from southern Lebanon into Israel.
	And as you just said, I have just taken, excuse me, the country of Afghanistan are fighting the Kurds, are actually committing genocide in Sudan.
	are trying to control Libya.
	These are the white supremacists he's talking about, or these are the jihadists.
	And talking about white supremacists is a cover up, in my view, from a geopolitical perspective, to not talk anymore about the real threats.
	Why?
	Because there is an Iran deal to be signed, so we can't talk about that.
	Because now there is a Taliban deal that they are enforcing the way they did, and more and So I think that our foreign policy is shocking people around the world.
	And who this policy is shocking the most, all these statements?
	Civil societies, women, minorities, people who call themselves liberals around the world who do not understand what is this administration talking about not addressing the real serious strategic threats around the world.
	Let's do the thing that nobody else is going to be willing to do today, Waleed.
	As a friend, I think you understand that we have to do this.
	This is the frightening question.
	The fundamentalists, the theocrats now have a new base of operations.
	It's not one training camp in Afghanistan like Al Qaeda had.
	It is the country of Afghanistan that is under the control of the Taliban, their friends.
	What do you expect in the near to medium term?
	How does this I'll say, what kind of scenarios of jihadi attack on U.S.
	soil can we now expect, given that they have not one camp, not an aircraft carrier, they have a nation-sized facility to reconstitute their capacities against us?
	In comparative politics, to speak like academics a little bit, you take the precedent.
	If you want to analyze how an organization or a movement is going to behave in the future, if there is no past, We have multiple scenarios.
	If there is a past, and there is one, which is the Taliban and Jihadists and Al-Qaeda seizing Afghanistan, have operated in East Africa, in Aden, I mean, we're just going back to our own history here, have prepared themselves for an offensive on U.S.
	soil.
	And the peak of that offensive, the first big opening was the massacre of New York, 9-11 attacks in New York and in Washington.
	And after that, what we need not to forget are the more than 45 attacks and attempts to attacks in the United States, in North Carolina, in Texas, in Michigan, in California, the nightclub in Orlando.
	I mean, there were so many attacks.
	The problem is that this happened when the Taliban were not even in power.
	Now the Taliban are in power.
	So projection, yes, we need to be Very concerned that the re-establishment of a jihadi state in Afghanistan with all these tools and neighboring Iran and neighboring Pakistan is going to project an aggression, a series of attacks in the West.
	That's what they are saying anyway.
	And when it comes to their threat perception and to their target list, they will deal with the apostates, the individuals they decree to be un-Islamic enough in their near vicinity, and then the two primary targets remain, the United States and Israel.
	Correct, Professor?
	Yes, first of all, they're going to do what they've done before.
	That is the elimination, the utter physical elimination of their opponents.
	That explains the videos and the pictures that you and I and your audience have seen of these Afghan people trying to flee on our planes and across the borders now.
	People in Afghanistan know that they're going to be a bloodshed, a massacre, like exactly what ISIS has done in Iraq and in Syria.
	And after they settle and digest this bloodshed, the Taliban and all the jihadists they're going to put under their umbrella, I've got a plot against the Gulf, I've got a plot against African governments, and then Europe, and of course the United States.
	They are very rich in literature talking about bringing defeat to the homeland here in the United States.
	Just think exactly as the good professor says.
	What does it speak to when an individual clings onto the outside of a jetliner?
	What does it say about what they think is going to happen in that country now that it is run by the Taliban?
	He's Professor Walid Fares, follow him, W-A-L-I-D-P-H-A-R-E-S, Walid Fares on Twitter, author of Future Jihad.
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	Professor, we've only got a couple of minutes left.
	Let me ask you, if President Trump were to come back in office, let's just do a fictive scenario, if he were back in office tomorrow, what would you as his former campaign expert tell him needs to be done now?
	Well, in that situation, which basically would be a massive change of politics here in the United States, he will have to do with the Taliban deal and with what happened in Afghanistan, as he did with the Iran deal.
	He did it.
	Everybody thought that the Iran deal was not reversible.
	It was reversible when the president then took that decision and became very tough and repositioned our forces on the ground and relinked with the local resistance movements against the terrorists.
	Everything that the Trump administration, and you were part of it, has done can be done again and lesson learned at the same time.
	And that is, I think, what could correct the mistakes that have been happening right now.
	But sadly, that is not the case at this point in time.
	And in the meantime, as a former president who, as far as I'm concerned, will be running for the White House in 2024, what message should the former president be sending to our friends and allies across the world?
	A voice is really needed.
	I mean, should it be the former president or others?
	A voice is needed to be heard by tens, if not hundreds of millions of people around the world who are shocked by this, obviously.
	The actual head of the opposition, the former president, there's no doubt about it, should be addressing them when he goes to rallies or when he is on TV to tell them that hope is on the way, that this does not represent what most Americans actually want and believe, and that when the majority in Congress will change, this is a democracy.
	That's what the other side has done, so you need to explain to the rest of the world that free America is back, will be back.
	It's a very, very simple form of mathematics.
	when the majority will change, and potentially in 2024.
	It's a very, very simple form of mathematics.
	When America is strong and it is alive in the world, it is active, the world is safe.
	When America retreats, when America is afraid, when America fails to show leadership, as it did under Obama, as it has done precipitously for the last seven months under Biden, the whole world becomes a more dangerous place.
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	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	Thank you for all the work you do.

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