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July 8, 2021 - Sebastian Gorka

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	Thank you.
	This is America First with me, Sebastian Gorka.
	I'm very excited to introduce our guest host for today, Boris Epstein.
	Good afternoon, everybody.
	This is America First with Sebastian Gorka.
	I am Boris Epstein.
	I'm going to be driving this train today for the next three hours.
	We have a jam packed show, just like the freight train of audits that's going across the country from Arizona to Pennsylvania to Georgia.
	We are going to steam Through these next three hours.
	In the first hour, we have the one and only Stephen K. Bannon joining us for the full hour.
	Segments A, B, C, D, N, E, all with Stephen K. Bannon.
	Then we've got Vernon Jones.
	Then we've got America's mayor, Rudy Giuliani.
	American hero, Bernie Kerik.
	Jane Timkin.
	And Reneece is joining us out of Ohio as well.
	It is an absolutely packed show.
	Let me welcome in, with no further ado, Stephen K. Bannon.
	Steve, how are you?
	Hey, Boris, glad to be on the show.
	Normally do it with Sebastian, but I'm glad he picked a great guest host for this week.
	Well, how the tables turn most days, most days.
	I got to tell you, I'm learning something all the time.
	I'm going to have my agent talk to Seb's producer.
	I love that intro.
	Particularly the name going around.
	It's not enough banning in the War Room.
	I just realized that.
	So I think I may restructure now.
	I think that's a good idea.
	I'm so blown away by that open.
	The first time I've actually had to see it since I'm on here.
	It was very powerful.
	Show's very fast.
	Very strong.
	Great team.
	Seb's got a great team around him.
	America First.
	Great show.
	Over 3 million listeners right now tuning in.
	Yesterday we had huge numbers.
	Huge numbers on Rumble.
	May have been the best or second best day.
	on Rumble for the show.
	So let's even get bigger today.
	Rumble.com slash Seb Gorka.
	Rumble.com slash Seb Gorka.
	Go there right now.
	Tune in and watch, not just listen.
	Watch the next three hours of the show.
	Steve, a lot to go through.
	The tables are turning.
	Usually, I spend a lot of my day either in the morning or in the five o'clock hour on War Room with the MAGA posse, with the MAGA Brain Trust.
	That is the viewership of your amazing runaway train show, The War Room.
	So first, let me ask you this.
	You are now in almost starting to be at what?
	A year and a half?
	Or coming up on two years since War Room Impeachment and then turned into War Room Pandemic.
	Did you ever think that your show would be as big, as groundbreaking as it's been?
	No.
	I mean, we started, as you know, over a weekend in thinking about because of the impeachment situation.
	But no, I did realize when in January of 2020 that we were in New York and basically we were broadcasting with the Chinese TV, GTV, and it got canceled, Chinese New Year's, that immediately this pandemic was going to be a big deal.
	But I didn't think it was.
	You never know.
	And as you know, Boris, every day is just You just grind through it.
	People want to have information.
	They want to have a perspective that they can use in their personal lives.
	They don't want, you know, I think kind of this, the formatting has been going on in some of the other media programming.
	And so we try to give it to them intense.
	It's very intense, as you know.
	Well put.
	Yes.
	And I think, I think that's, I think it's Seb and I think it's, you know, some others that speak to the MAGA audience.
	I understand the MAGA audience.
	Is ever-evolving right the BBC today has a story called the rise of the Chinese American right and they're in full meltdown because of epic times and you know glow media and war room reporting on the CCP and Wuhan lab, you know, we have We had Royce White on, the former NBA player who's an economic populist who's making a big play about black males voting for Trump and how that's increasing because they're economic nationalists, economic populists.
	Tim Pool, I've been on the Tim Pool show.
	So you see the Great Awakenings leading to a great realignment.
	It's happening and I'm just proud that we have a show that we put up all the time of which you're one of the major parts of it.
	Very kind of you, and it's been an honor of mine to be on this show, and I was on a good amount before the election, but really consistently since 3 November 2020, really when America changed.
	Changed forever.
	Because we know, just like we know that the Wuhan virus, the China virus came out of that Wuhan lab, we know that this election was stolen.
	By the cohorts of the Democrats, mainstream media, big tech, a huge swath of the American populace knows it, they get it, and they go to War Room, they go to this show, America First with Sepp Gorka, they listen to you, humbly they listen to me, they listen to Sebastian, they listen to the leaders of this movement, and of course, led by President Trump, because they want to know the facts.
	So Steve, let's talk about the movement.
	Again, it's mushroomed, right?
	As we were watching the returns come in the night of November 3rd, the morning of November 4th, you had the huge spikes.
	Then I was on the plane to Arizona on November 5th, and it went across the country.
	Hold on, you should remind people, you were actually at the White House that night.
	I was talking to you, I was talking to Peter Navarro, I was talking to Jason Miller all night, and we were doing a live broadcast.
	on on on war and pandemic lie from that beautiful shot overlooking the capital.
	Right.
	And, you know, I kept advocating the president should go up and announce I've got this at 1030 because we have been doing the transition integrity project.
	They already told us how they were going to steal it.
	They were totally Perkins Perkins, Perkins, Corey.
	And then Time magazine, you know, memorialize it later.
	They were very upfront of how they were going to do this.
	We gave tours around New York and around the country, talking to people, how they're going to do it.
	They called it the, uh, what the red mirage and that they three weeks afterwards, Biden would, would win.
	You were in the white house, uh, Peter Navarro's in the white house.
	Jason Miller's in the white house.
	Some of you guys are over there.
	You saw it happening in real time.
	I think the, the difference is you deployed the next day out to, I think you went to Arizona first.
	Arizona, I wasn't just in the White House today, I had the honor of being in the Green Room when some of the decisions were being made and what was said and, you know, I'll say bluntly, I was, from the beginning, was advocating and pushing for President Trump to go out there and say, look at the states, look at Michigan, look at Ohio, look at Pennsylvania, look at Florida, look at Arizona being called ludicrously early, disgustingly early by Fox.
	President Trump I was pushing to go out there and say, I won this election.
	It is all over.
	And then let them come from behind.
	So, well, no, really, you know, it's a mirage and all that.
	If you have established yourself as the winner, then claim victory.
	That's my point.
	Step up there at 10 o'clock, 1030 to 1045 before the evening news in the East Coast.
	You're up 800,000 votes in Pennsylvania.
	You're up in Michigan.
	You're up.
	You're up everywhere.
	Just walk out there.
	Take the mic.
	Hey, I won.
	I'm declaring victory, because these are insurmountable numbers.
	Well, remember, in both Peter Navarro's reports, which are so in-depth, and in the lawsuit filed by Texas by Ken Paxton, the great American, he said that the chances of overcoming those deficits, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of vote deficits for Joe Biden, were something like one in quadrillion, a number I'd never even heard before, okay?
	It was so ludicrous.
	It was so far-fetched.
	And again, the American people are not stupid.
	We are smart.
	We get it.
	Not just that hangover, sir, but for your audience, we talk about this a lot on The War Room.
	I don't know if some of this audience has heard it, but I know tons of hedge fund managers throughout the world, guys I either work with at Goldman or people I've known in my years as a financier.
	And I would say two-thirds of these are progressives or liberals.
	I have not, and many in London, in Europe and Asia, and particularly in New York, I have not had one hedge fund guy that's told me, right, All of them say, you look at the numbers, and Trump won.
	It's clear.
	Mathematically, it was just impossible.
	Mathematically impossible.
	And that's why I think this 3 November movement, what you saw that night and what's happened since then, is also symbolic of where the country is for too long.
	Because there's so many people that night said, oh, let's just go along.
	Like Fox, they threw in the towel early.
	Other people threw in the towel.
	The Republicans have always done it, right?
	Just capitulate.
	Some people actually worked against President Trump trying to get the truth out.
	I think that time of November, December, and January, up until Biden's on the 20th of January, is going to be really reviewed and deeply analyzed by the conservative movement in years to come.
	It was very, it was a pivotal moment.
	You and I lived every second of it.
	Every second, but it's one of the reasons the country is in the place we're in, right, just didn't happen overnight.
	It has been, since Reagan's administration, it's been 10, 20, 30, Going on 40 years of just going along, of just retreating, of just being controlled.
	Even Nixon, accepting that it was stolen from him, saying, oh, you know what, I'll just give up.
	Everybody knew that election was stolen by JFK in 1960, but they just gave up.
	They said, well, you know, what can we do?
	Now we're standing up.
	We're saying we can do something.
	That's what we're demanding, the audit that's going on in Arizona, that's coming to Pennsylvania, and this right train of audits going across the country, back in the next segment and for the full hour with Stephen K. Bannon.
	Thank you.
	The End
	I'm Sebastian Gorka, this is America First.
	Let's get back to the show with Boris Epstein.
	Thank you, Sebastian.
	It is an honor to be guest hosting for the MAGA champion, Sebastian Gorka, my former White House colleague, a true believer in MAGA, and somebody who's been at the forefront of all of the fights from the campaign in 2016 to our time in the White House, and now as he continues to spread the MAGA doctrine, the MAGA gospel, through this show, America First.
	I am Boris Epstein.
	Here with us, the host, the creator of War Room Pandemic, the one and only Stephen K. Bannon.
	Steve, let's go back to the 3 November 2020 movement.
	I think it is vital to not just talk about what's going on in Arizona and Pennsylvania and Georgia, But talk about the origins of it, where it started.
	And let's go back to that evening of November 3rd.
	I was at the White House.
	Very few of us there.
	You had to be doing your show, and you had the beautiful shot, as you said, overlooking the U.S.
	Capitol.
	As the evening wore on, and as Florida and Ohio came in, it seemed like we had a redux of 2016.
	But the Democrats told us Mark Elias, Perkins School, he told us that that wasn't going to happen, and they're very educated guesses, let's put it that way, came true.
	Well, look, let's talk about that.
	I was texting you guys nonstop.
	You had Rudy, you had you, you had Navarri, you had Jason Miller, and it was pretty evident.
	You look at the numbers, and particularly look at, these were blowouts.
	Let's talk about how he won.
	In Florida and Ohio, they're blowouts.
	They're just blowouts.
	I mean, I was stunned.
	The job you guys did in Florida, you with the Jewish community, Cortez and others with the Hispanic community, it was a blowout in Florida and a big blowout in Ohio.
	Let's stop on that for a second.
	I was proud of that because I decamped to Florida for three weeks.
	There's 500,000 Jewish voters.
	I don't know if any of the listeners know this, but I happen to be Jewish.
	Just kidding.
	I was the proud co-chair of the Jewish for Voices coalition, the Jews for Trump, and I was out there for three weeks, went to every synagogue, every shul I could, talked to everybody I could, went to rallies, and we went from 30% of the Jewish vote in 2016 to 42% for President Trump in 2016 in Florida.
	Blowout.
	Total blowout.
	But people forget, why was everybody down?
	Why was Cortez, and remember the huge Hispanic turnout they had down there?
	Huge.
	Remember the parade they had, I think it was in Miami?
	People forget, Bloomberg stroked a $100 million check, I think it was 100 days ago, a $100 million check of sidebar money just for ground game in Florida.
	Get out to vote, and I think some advertisers, but ground game.
	The resources they put in Florida were overwhelming.
	So when you have those kind of victories, and particularly the demographic split of where he's getting Hispanic vote, Latino vote, Right?
	You look at the Rio Grande Valley, that started coming in.
	You can't get the Rio Grande Valley with Trump is like starting to run the tables, flipping, you know, getting close to flipping counties that were at 90% against us in 16.
	The people see what he's done on the border and economic progress.
	You look at that, you look at Ohio, what, nine points?
	Come on, look at how we won at 16.
	Listen, let's just, let's be adults.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I hate how they treat us like fools, and the Republican establishment is prepared to take it.
	Atlanta, Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee, and Phoenix, and let's throw in Las Vegas on top of it.
	But those five cities, completely corrupt.
	And by the way, it's incompetence and corruption.
	That's where they stole this victory from, and we're just not going to take it.
	It stunned me so much, and what really stunned me the most were how few people came to his aid.
	Just thinking the odds are too long, he's too controversial, etc.
	But that's why I'm so proud, quite frankly, of the work you've done, Rudy's done, etc.
	And the Patriot movement.
	This gets back to basically the MAGA movement in places like Georgia and places particularly in Arizona have rolled up their sleeves and it's just absolutely stunning what's been accomplished.
	Well, if you look at what happened, right, so, I remember like it was two seconds ago, and there's going to be more that comes out about it, let's put it this way, but we have the 3rd of November, I'm over there at the White House, you've got your show, I'm with Rudy, Jason's there, a few other, Peter Navarro is there, and the numbers come in, Ohio, Florida comes in, wow, big win, we're looking at the other states, Michigan, Wisconsin, big, and then Fox calls Arizona for Biden, ludicrously,
	And then everything sort of grinds to that halt, right?
	And there was an opportunity there.
	We've talked about it.
	We both think President Trump should have gone out and had the opportunity to go out and say, I won this thing, because he won that election in 2020.
	He did go out there late at night.
	Then she did go out there late at night.
	He said, he effectively said, I won.
	And then we all went to bed for a couple hours.
	There were spikes in the middle of the night.
	Woke up and I was off to Arizona for the next 24 hours.
	Battled there.
	When I landed in Arizona, remember we were down almost 200,000 votes to Biden.
	By the time they stopped counting, by the time they stopped counting before this audit, started counting up again, we were only down about 10,000.
	So that just shows you how unacceptable Fox News' call was, but really it was more representative of a larger thing.
	It was representative of the big steal, representative of what the Time Magazine article says, which is the cooperation, the cabal, right?
	The cabal of Democrats, establishment Republicans, mainstream media, apparently including Fox News to a degree, and Big Tech all came in and said, you know what?
	That's enough Trump.
	And let's throw in the Chinese Communist Party and whatever they did with, let's be honest, unleashing the Wuhan virus on the world.
	Not Fox News to a degree.
	Fox News, because they're not covering this as a news event now.
	You know, Doug Mastroianni, he's running for the governorship of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
	When a guy like that comes out yesterday and throws down hard and says, hey, my committee's going to, you know, request all this information, particularly from Philadelphia, just like Maricopa County, just like Fulton County.
	The Philadelphia guy's already in fight.
	That's a major news story.
	Crickets.
	Major.
	Let's even set aside what they did in Arizona.
	They're just not covering the news.
	This is THE news, and it's just not MAGA news.
	What's happening in Arizona is big enough that you've got the Attorney General there now that's seeing the light, right?
	Guys have not supported us before as they're hearing about us.
	These things in Georgia and Pennsylvania.
	We're going to have a guest on our show tonight from Phil Kline's group, St.
	Thomas More.
	The St.
	Thomas More Society is going to talk about Wisconsin.
	No, Wisconsin is the clearest one.
	We've talked about that a lot.
	Wisconsin is the clearest one because there was an audit done there, remember?
	The Trump campaign paid for an audit in Milwaukee and Dane County, which is where Madison is, and there's no doubt about it that under Wisconsin law, which as we've discussed, they and your Sean Waterman have talked about here with Sebastian, Wisconsin actually have very constricting laws, rules, about when you can vote absentee.
	It's the most progressive state with the tightest laws in the country on early voting and mail-in ballots.
	It goes back to their DFL roots.
	So you have to have a reason, you have to do it in a specific way, and just those two counties, Milwaukee and Dane County, over 200,000 unlawful ballots In counties which were, what, 75-25 Biden, and only 20,000 separates them?
	You've got guys on Facebook out there skiing in Aspen saying, yeah, I voted.
	I was indefinitely confined because of COVID.
	That doesn't wash.
	The people should understand and feel good about this.
	Reince Priebus, who's a great guy, I love him.
	No fire breather.
	Reince is in charge.
	Well, you don't think Reince is a fire breather?
	Jeez, jeez, Steve, jeez.
	I said it's stolen, right, Russ?
	Jeez, you're right.
	Which should have been the first thing we put forth in the impeachment trial.
	In the impeachment trial, the second one, the first thing we should have done the first day is go through Wisconsin.
	Bring that lawyer, Trout, who you worked with.
	Have Trout go through.
	Troupas.
	Troupas.
	Judge Troupas.
	True America.
	A MAGA patriot.
	That guy's fantastic.
	Have troopers go through it, heads would have been blown up.
	We should have argued this during the impeachment trial.
	Lindsey Graham talked the president out of it.
	It should have been in the impeachment trial.
	We should have put it, we should have, anytime we have a venue to adjudicate, we should adjudicate it.
	We've got the evidence, we've got the receipts.
	Now it's coming across the country, that freight train of audits, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and we're going to get to Wisconsin and Michigan.
	We'll be right back with Stephen K. Bannon on America First.
	We'll be right back.
	We'll be right back.
	We'll be right back.
	We'll be right back.
	Thank you.
	On the side of the U.S.
	Constitution, America first!
	This is Boris Epstein.
	That's where I am.
	We're on America First.
	I am guest hosting today for the one and only Sebastian Gorka on America First.
	We have an unbelievable show.
	Unbelievable show.
	Another half hour with Stephen K. Bannon, then Vernon Jones running for governor against Ryan O'Brien, Kemp and Georgia.
	Jane Timken coming up after that, running for Senate in Ohio.
	At the top of the third hour at five o'clock Eastern, we will have America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani, then American here Bernie Kerik, and we'll wrap it up with Jim Rennesee running for governor in Ohio.
	A truly packed show.
	Action, action, action, full of heat.
	Go right now to Rumble.com slash SubGorka.
	Rumble.com slash SubGorka.
	Let's drive those numbers up, up, up, up, up.
	We are back with Stephen K. Bannon.
	We talked about the genesis of the November 3rd movement, 3 November 2020 movement.
	Let's talk about where it is now.
	The viewership, the audience of this show, America First, of The War Room, the MAGA Posse, the MAGA Brain Trust, that's the viewership of both shows, want to know what the latest is.
	What are you hearing out of Arizona?
	Well, they're going forward.
	They're doing another, I think they're doing another count right now.
	I think they've actually maybe have some physical machines, not digital machines, but physical machines to help one more time, belts, suspenders, Another belt and another set of suspenders.
	I think what they are going to be able to show in Arizona is so shattering that you need to take your time.
	Remember, people should just trust the process.
	Here you've got patriots.
	And what I'm proudest of, of what they accomplished out there, was that so many people made the pilgrimage.
	Pennsylvania, Georgia.
	And they were so impressed by the professionalism of Karen Phan, Sonny Borelli, the senators out there, how they had tight control of this.
	The British call it a close-run thing.
	That inspired people.
	That's why we've got the ball rolling in Georgia.
	Right.
	They were fighting a long time, but they came back so inspired.
	Vernon Jordan being one of them, Burt Jones, right?
	Brandon Beach, these senators.
	Oh yeah, Vernon Jones, Burt Jones, Brandon Beach, all patriots.
	And by the way, a lot of these guys are moderates.
	Remember, Karen Fan and these people are not fire breathers.
	You've got the Wendy Rogers, you've got the Sonny Bareilles, you've got the Boris Epstein.
	But look, the thing that people should notice here, there are a lot of moderates coming in.
	And here's the lesson I keep telling people.
	Look at what happened in France with Le Pen and Front National or called National Rally.
	You know, she was on a roll.
	Macron's parties imploded.
	The mainstream media won't tell you that.
	Got 9 percent of the vote, right?
	Nine percent.
	She was on a roll, but 25 percent of her electorate didn't show up.
	And you know why?
	They said it doesn't matter anymore.
	They're going to steal it anyway.
	We're not coming.
	That is why 3 November is so important.
	You got to get to the bottom of it to show people this is why Georgia the runoff we lost.
	You've got to show MAGA.
	It's worth your time and effort to put it to your shoulder to the wheel because we're never going to allow it to be stolen.
	In fact, we're not going to allow 3 November to be stolen.
	So look, you've got Georgia, you've got- Before you go on from Arizona, I just heard, Steve, this is coming in hot off the presses, okay?
	As we say, too good to check.
	All right.
	I am hearing, I may have stolen that from somebody, not going to say from whom, I'm hearing that they will be done with the double, triple, quadruple checking in Arizona as soon as next week.
	And you're right.
	I'm hearing physical machines, think about the ones they have at a bank where they physically count the bills.
	So I'm hearing physical count bills.
	Double, triple, quadruple check, done as soon as next week, and again, the numbers appear to be holding, and if they are what we've been hearing, what you and I have been getting from out there in Arizona, it will be a nuclear earthquake, okay?
	A nuclear earthquake in the 3 November 2020 movement, a nuclear earthquake in American politics.
	And I think what's going to happen, Boris, and you talked about this a couple weeks ago on the show, people I think reiterate today the report may not be out until middle of August.
	But I think Karen Fann is going to put a shot across the bow of Maricopa County.
	For your audience, understand you had these cities that have run these elections and they're clearly incompetent and corrupt.
	Phoenix, Arizona, the Maricopa County, Fulton County, Georgia, Philadelphia, Detroit, Michigan, and Milwaukee, right?
	And they're incompetent, they're corrupt, and on this time, they used the COVID situation with the mail-in ballots.
	That's what this is coming down to.
	We're putting the hot lights on it, and you have patriots that are not going to back off.
	I mean, in Georgia, it's an amazing situation, how they fought through these courts.
	Now, the judges ruled, okay, they got— After when in the courts in Georgia?
	They keep on winning, and now the defendants have 30 days to file the response of July 26th, expecting more wins in Georgia.
	For your audience, I would actually say, you don't have to watch Fox News.
	If you want to watch serious coverage of what's happening in the 3 November movement, watch Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow every night.
	They at least show you enough respect.
	They take it seriously.
	I mean, they call it a clown show because they understand.
	When we get the hands on the ballots, and you can actually count the ballots versus what was supposed to be the votes, things change.
	And that's why they cover it every night.
	They have segments on this every night, and they're detailed segments.
	Now, it's their perspective.
	Go back to, and we've got 20 seconds, we'll be back in the next segment.
	Remember, In April, before Arizona kicked off, Rachel Maddow was looking into the camera, breaking the fourth wall, screaming, they've got the ballots, they've got the ballots.
	They've got the ballots.
	Why?
	Because they know what the truth is.
	The Democrats, Rachel Maddow, who's their executive producer, know the truth, that this election was stolen.
	We'll be right back with Steve Bannon.
	We'll be right back with Steve Bannon.
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	America First.
	Can you believe it?
	They are saying that they don't agree with America First.
	How do you say that?
	Magnificent.
	Magnificent, that's what we are here at America First.
	I am Boris Epstein sitting in for Sebastian Gorka today.
	What an honor it is to guest host his show, and here I am coming back to you with Stephen K. Bannon.
	Steve, you know, we've talked a lot between you and me about 2016 and the historic win there.
	Talked a lot about our time in the White House, about the 3 November 2020 movement.
	But what it's all tied together by is this political realignment that's happening in America.
	There was this fascinating piece by the BBC you mentioned about the Chinese-American right-wing movement and how that is representative of what's happening across this country and why it's going to be very difficult Very difficult for MAGA not to win elections going forward.
	We're going to be winning, winning, winning, winning as long as we don't let it get stolen from us.
	Okay, this is the point.
	I think, you know, Colonel Mills, John Mills, one of our contributors, came on the show the other day and said something, but it struck me because I've said it, but you've got to hear somebody else say it.
	He drove from Northern Virginia to Seattle to take care of some stuff from his mother's estate, drove back, he saw one Biden A t-shirt on a guy in Seattle, Washington.
	Thousands of Trump signs.
	And he made the point, we actually control this country.
	There's already been the realignment.
	The Great Awakening and the realignment have already started.
	It started in 2016, but in 2020, it was there.
	That's where we got to get to the bottom of November 3rd.
	We won, and quite frankly, I think Trump won big.
	We control the nation.
	It's now time to start acting like it, okay?
	We've got to start acting like it.
	We've got to put our shoulder to the wheel and shut down all this nonsense on the cities in anarchy, this poison of critical race theory in our children's schools, in the military.
	They're trying to purge the military, keeping people on January 6th in jail without trials.
	Solitary confinement in a lot of times.
	It's ridiculous.
	And by the way, people understand when we take over in 2022, 2022 is going to be bigger than We're going to get to the bottom of what Fauci did.
	We're going to get to the bottom of all of it.
	It's time now.
	We control this country.
	The Great Realignment has started from the Great Awakening.
	You have Chinese-Americans.
	The BBC is a meltdown.
	It said right-wing Chinese.
	The rise of the Chinese-American right.
	You've got You've got this guy, Royce White, who's brilliant, who's sitting there going, hey, I think Trump could get 25, 30, 40% on economic policy of black males.
	In the Rio Grande Valley, hardcore blue collar Hispanics are voting for Trump.
	By the way, in L.A., in the Bronx, the numbers, it's interesting, the numbers for Trump in the Hispanic community were better in cities that didn't count, like L.A.
	and New York.
	They're already, you know, the states are already, they're not battleground states.
	Only in states that mattered.
	This thing's a scam.
	If you want to be treated like children, let them get away with it.
	And that's why every day I get angry about this.
	CNN last night has this big article All they're doing now, they're dug in.
	The far right is dug in.
	And I would say, hey, you damn right we're dug in.
	And we're not going to budge.
	This thing, we're going to get to the bottom of this.
	And Rachel Maddow, who's really the executive producer of the whole left, I mean, she's the smartest one over there.
	What she said back in April, they have their hands on the ballots.
	They've got the ballots!
	They've got the ballots!
	They've got the best, and you know, their favorite is the, what do they talk about you?
	The populist Putin, right?
	Pardon me, is that what they say?
	I saw Fredo Cuomo go after you.
	He had a bunch of alliteration over there, you know?
	Putrid, putrid, populist, pardon me, Steve Bannon.
	They're really not big fans over there.
	Maybe they are, or maybe they are.
	Hey, I like the fact they're not fans.
	That means you're over the target.
	Everybody, look, it shouldn't be lost on you that they're taking away Rudy's law life.
	This is one of the greatest individuals in the second half of the 20th century.
	Eliot Ness put the mob away, the five families.
	He put the Wall Street, remember how crooked Wall Street was?
	Put all the milk and all those guys in jail.
	He then cleaned up a city that was in a death spiral under Dinkins, cleaned up a city, and then after 9-11 saved the city.
	This guy is a living, breathing American hero.
	They've got those two lawyers that firebombed a New York police car.
	They can still practice law in the state of New York.
	But Rudy Giuliani, this is how they run it.
	This is like the Marxists and the Bolsheviks.
	You know better than anybody how they run these nations.
	Absolutely.
	Look, if you solve two things, everything else falls in place.
	What happened on 3 November, what's the reality?
	And the CCP virus in the Wuhan lab.
	You get to the bottom of those two, everything else takes care of itself.
	That's why three November.
	Look, if you solve two things, everything else falls in place.
	What happened on three November?
	What's the reality in the CCP virus in the Wuhan lab?
	You get to the bottom of those two.
	Everything else takes care of itself.
	They'll have a cascading effect.
	Right.
	And that's what we're bound to do.
	And Steve, something that you just said that really resonated with me too, you know, my family, we ran away from the rubble of the Soviet Union, from the hate, the anti-Semitism, but my family lived through the Stalinist times, the communist times, the times where they came after Jews specifically, and anybody and everybody, even people who weren't actually, you know, standing up, they came out, anybody and everybody was cleansed.
	But if you do not, if you just put your head in the sand, And you say, well, it's not going to happen to me.
	That is when you're putting a marker on yourself.
	And that is how that is how it happened in Nazi Germany.
	That is how it happened in the Soviet Union.
	And if we as conservatives let Rudy Giuliani be persecuted, be targeted.
	First of all, people barging into his apartment, you know, law enforcement barging into his apartment at 6 a.m.
	to confiscate.
	He's got a lawyer that's talking to him.
	They're just doing that for the show.
	By the way, people shouldn't be lost in that BBCR.
	It's the reason Boris Epstein, Seb Gorka, why is Seb Gorka such a powerful voice in America first?
	He came from that.
	His parents suffered underneath that.
	They lived it.
	You've lived it.
	Why are the Chinese, one of the most powerful groups are going to have Are Chinese-Americans that have had to live under the boot of the Chinese Communist Party.
	These are people that understand how precious freedom is and are committed to fighting for it.
	That's the power of our movement.
	They don't have that on the left.
	That's what we have.
	And I'll tell you who else doesn't have that.
	The Rhino Country Club Republicans.
	They just get along.
	There's a controlled opposition.
	The reason the country's in the shape it's in is because the controlled opposition... They put their heads in the sand.
	Exactly.
	Let it happen.
	And now you have fighters...
	They let it happen to Brian Kemps, the doozies in Arizona.
	They let it happen and they attack us.
	They attack Steve Bannon.
	They attack Sepp Gorka.
	They attack Rudy Giuliani.
	They attack Boris Epstein.
	They go after us because they do not want our voices to be loud.
	They would much rather be sitting around at fancy country clubs, fancy Georgetown cocktail parties and just Sipping their drinks with Democrats and mainstream media at the All-Britain House, whatever it may be, right?
	But that is not who we are.
	We are playing smash mouth football.
	We are pushing back.
	We are driving the freight train of audits across the country.
	And that is so important.
	That's what's going to save the country.
	Be right back with Steve Bannon.
	Be right back with Steve Bannon.
	Be right back with Steve Bannon.
	Be right back with Steve Bannon.
	Be right back with Steve Bannon.
	Be right back with Steve Bannon.
	Be right back with Steve Bannon.
	Be right back with Steve Bannon.
	This is America First.
	I'm Boris Epstein, sitting in for Sebastian Gorka, an honored guest host today, and an honor to talk to Stephen K. Bannon, the true, true tip of the spear in the MAGA movement, somebody who's been working in the MAGA movement for over 10 years now, back to the 2010 election, back to the Tea Party.
	Steve, tell the audience, tell the viewership, Of this show, of America First, they want to hear from you.
	What should they be focusing on?
	What is the signal, not the noise?
	The key thing, look, the reason that we've made the progress we've made is not because of Seb and myself and Boris and all the great guests you're going to have today.
	Bernie Carrick, Vernon Jones, it's you.
	Rudy Giuliani.
	Rudy Giuliani, you've got a killer lineup today.
	As great as these people are, it's you.
	It is now a true populist movement with the little guy putting his shoulder to the wheel.
	Just become, as Seb says all the time, a force multiplier.
	Right?
	Just become a force multiplier.
	And that means you don't have to give money, you don't have to just take the content, push the content out, engage people, particularly people that don't agree with us and never heard of it.
	Just push the content out constantly.
	Engage people.
	Talk about what's going on and don't back down.
	If we have the MAGA movement become false multipliers, we've got this.
	You're the greatest, best people in the world, best nation in the world, best nation in the history of the world.
	Every time the country's been in a problem, the Civil War, the American Revolution, the Civil War, the Great Depression, World War II, every time the common man in this country has come through, that's all we need.
	We need to do it again.
	You're called back to the ramparts.
	So it's just put your shoulder to the wheel.
	That's what this is all about.
	And there's so much to be excited about, right?
	There's so much to be excited about in Arizona, in Pennsylvania, where just now I got some more news that the Attorney General of Pennsylvania is telling the counties to not comply, three counties, Philadelphia County.
	York County, Tiago County.
	Of course.
	The Democratic Attorney General is telling them not to comply with Doug Mastriano's letter requesting all information, all paper ballots, all documents pertaining to the 3 November 2020 election.
	I'm sure he'll be on Rachel Maddow tonight.
	Shapiro's running for governor.
	This is one of the opposition.
	This is perfect.
	Of course he's going to say that.
	And it's great for us.
	Because it's petrified.
	Great.
	It's great.
	This is exactly what we knew they would say, and that's what we think they should be saying because they're showing their true colors.
	Because let's be honest.
	If they were confident that Joe Biden really got 80 million votes, don't laugh Steve, okay?
	If they think that Joe Biden, the artist formerly known as Joe Biden, the guy who could not get six people at a rally, while President Trump gets over 40,000 in Florida now after a three-hour rain.
	In driving rainstorm on a Saturday night before the 4th of July, guy draws 35, 40,000 people in a driving rain and this guy has nobody show up to his inauguration.
	Oh, that's right.
	We got COVID.
	Nobody shows up to the inauguration, right?
	Inauguration drives me.
	It's a joke.
	It's like children.
	They do, but there's so much to be enthusiastic about, to be excited about, and to be driving forward on.
	The freight train of audits is a metaphor I love because it is strong, it is powerful, and it's all about action, action, action, action.
	Steve, thank you so much for being with us in this hour.
	You are a true patriot, a great American, and it's an honor to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you.
	God bless.
	Love the show.
	Let's up.
	Thanks.
	Thanks so much, Steve.
	We'll be right back.
	And the next time we've got Vernon Jones, then we've got Rudy Giuliani, Bernie Kerrick and more.
	God bless.
	Come on back.
	Come on back.
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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Hold on.
	Yeah, you want me to call in?
	Is this being taped to live?
	It is live on Rumble right now, yes, sir.
	I was going to inform you of that right away.
	We don't see your video yet.
	I mean, we see your video, but I don't have it turned on to the live stream yet.
	But we were just connecting now to make sure it's all good.
	You need to call in again.
	Hold on.
	Call you back in about a minute?
	Yeah, give me a call.
	Okay, sure thing.
	Will do.
	All right.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Mr. Jones, can you hear us?
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Mr. Jones?
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Mr. Jones, can you hear us?
	Yep, can you hear me?
	We have 10 seconds to air.
	Please stand by.
	We can hear you just fine.
	This is America First with me, Sebastian Gorka.
	I'm very excited to introduce our guest host for today, Boris Epstein.
	Thank you so much, my good friend, Sebastian.
	It is an honor to be guest hosting America First today.
	We have had an amazing show already, Steve Bannon, in the first hour, and we have a pact.
	We have a pact.
	Second hour, so make sure you go to Rumble.com slash SubGorka, Rumble.com slash SubGorka, and tune in.
	We are on the precipice of an all-time record for this show on Rumble, so please go there right now and tune in.
	We have an amazing next two hours.
	Right now, we're going to have Vernon Jones, Representative Vernon Jones, who's running for governor in Georgia against Rhino Brian Kemp.
	Then we've got America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
	After that, we have Bernie Kerik.
	Then we've got Jim Renese and we have Jane Timken on the show as well.
	Vernon, great to be with you, sir.
	How are you?
	Doing fine, Boris.
	Thank you so much for having me.
	Obviously, this show is up and coming.
	This is the place to be.
	I'm here.
	Let your audience feel the Vern.
	Love it.
	Feel the Vern.
	Feel the Vern.
	This show, Sebastian's done an amazing job with this show.
	Over 3 million viewers right now.
	A huge, huge, huge MAGA audience all across the country, including, of course, in Georgia.
	Vernon, tell the audience why you're running for governor of Georgia.
	Very simple.
	Our governor failed in leadership.
	He failed and cut and ran on election integrity.
	He failed and cut and ran on President Trump.
	And as a direct result of him failing leadership, we now have what?
	Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and basement Joe Biden.
	But the bigger effect on that is now we're being sued by the Justice Department, Attorney General Garland, because of Brian Kemp's failed leadership and failed in terms of, again, our elections, allowing Stacey's law to be used over state law.
	So I'm running.
	Vernon, you've been so active on social media.
	make sure that we stand up to the left and it stands to Stacey Abrams and that crowd.
	We're not going to back down, back away or back off.
	I can grow the party.
	I'm the only candidate that can beat Stacey Abrams.
	And that's what matters right now, to stop the left.
	Vernon, you've been so active on social media.
	You've had your voice ring loud and clear all across Georgia, all across the country, What are your key issues you're focusing on right now?
	I know you went to Arizona, you went to the audit there, you toured the audit, you went to the border as well.
	What are the key issues you're focusing on?
	I know you are a star on Twitter, at Rep.
	Vernon Jones on Twitter.
	I'm at Boris EP on Twitter.
	Vernon Jones, I'm always retweeting you.
	You are a MAGA champion, a MAGA leader.
	What are you focusing on as we speak?
	Well, clearly we're focusing on election integrity, and I say that because people have lost trust in Georgia.
	And one of the main things about it is our current voting system.
	There's no trust.
	People feel as though there has not been a free, fair, and transparent elections, and we're going to have to address that.
	And part of addressing that is starting day one to have a 159-county forensic audit.
	We need that forensic audit to get to the bottom of what happened in 2020 to clear up all those misunderstandings and And answer all those unanswered questions.
	But also, it's time for Georgia to become a constitutional carry state.
	Bar none.
	Period.
	The end.
	At the same time, our governor failed with CRT and had the state school board to pass a resolution.
	No, we need something more stronger than that.
	Something with teeth.
	We need to ban it by law, CRT, Critical Race Theory, being taught in our schools.
	Why?
	Because they're teaching Marxism, Communism, and Socialism, and to hate our flag.
	And we want to make sure that doesn't happen.
	Also, Georgia will not be a sanctuary state.
	If you're illegal here and you're caught, you are going to be returned to ICE or you can be deported.
	Law enforcement agencies and the courts will no longer be able to have these sanctuary cities based on Democrats' failed policy.
	And finally, public safety.
	All across this country, you've seen a rise in crime.
	Why?
	Because of failed leadership.
	From whom?
	From the Democratic-led operatives and elected officials who have handcuffed police and allowed criminals to run free.
	As a matter of fact, with all these so-called no-chase policies, how are you going to apprehend a criminal if you can't chase them?
	And that's what's happening here.
	And we're going to straighten that out.
	We're going to drive those criminals out of this state.
	And, Vernor, you have a history, you have a career that you've made on Cleaning up Georgia, on making Georgia better.
	And you're a career-long Democrat.
	Up until last year, when you came to our side, you were such a star at the Republican National Convention, and then you switched to the Republican Party.
	You've been a major, major representative of the MAGA movement.
	What made you switch from Democrat to Republican?
	Well, I've always been a lifelong conservative, but where the Democratic Party is today is not where the Democratic Party was yesterday when I joined 30 some odd years ago.
	Now the Democratic Party do not support police officers, law enforcement, period, the end.
	Now the Democratic Party, they want to allow for children to go through transgender sex operations and hormone injections.
	That's unheard of.
	At the same time, I'm pro-life.
	You and I both know that Planned Parenthood that was founded by Margaret Sanger set out to destroy The black community through aborting as many black babies as they could and sterilizing as many black women as they could.
	And so when I look at the democratic party, I don't leave the party, the party left me.
	I came and joined the grand old party, a party of abolition, a party of, uh, Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass, not to just to join, to be a member.
	I actually came home to be what, or I should say to bring in brand new people, brand new opportunities and brand new ideas.
	That's what makes me different about being a candidate in Georgia for governor.
	I'm the only one that can grow the Republican party in terms of reaching young people and reaching those conservatives and minority community.
	With Bridey Kemp, the Republican party is going into sundown.
	With me and my candidacy, the Republican party is part of a sunrise, a new day, new people, new ideas and new opportunities.
	And so that's why I came and I'm a part of this party.
	Because I share his values, the Democratic Party's values.
	I do not share those values.
	And again, it was about my country, not about my party.
	And when I see where my country is going with the liberal policies, what it's doing to destroy us, and you now having children and young people being taught to hate the flag, how are they going to be able to defend the flag when they've been taught to hate the flag by the liberals?
	A wonderful message there, Vernon, and I absolutely agree with you.
	I love talking about America in Ronald Reagan's voice, right?
	It's sunrise.
	It's a new day.
	We can win and we will win if we stand together, if we not tear each other apart.
	But we've got to do it on the basis of America, on opportunity, on capitalism, on power, on pushing ahead, and not what you talk about, you know, CRT, or, you know, allowing, having children transition sexes, or having children choose their gender when they're 18.
	It's nonsense.
	Nonsense.
	That makes America weak.
	doesn't make America strong.
	Now, Vernon, there are those, you know, country club Republicans who say, well, you know, Brian Kim has been around a long time and, you know, Vernon maybe won't be able to raise that much money and can't really beat him.
	What do you say to that?
	I think I just saw today some great numbers come out of your campaign in just 10 weeks of fundraising.
	How are you doing on the campaign?
	You know, first of all, I think you and others recognize that I am, just like President Trump was, I am not a part of the establishment.
	I'm actually going against the establishment.
	That's right.
	But the reason why we have Stacey Abrams, the reason why now Congress is all Democrat and a Democrat occupied the White House is because of the establishment.
	They don't want to move to 2.0.
	They're in the dark ages.
	Let me tell you, Mitch McConnell is not appealing to growing the party.
	Vernon Jones represent the future of this party.
	Now, this is not all about money.
	If it were about money, Donald Trump wouldn't have won.
	Hillary Clinton actually raised more money.
	If you look in Georgia... We got outspent.
	We got outspent, Vernon.
	This is important.
	We got outspent 2016 3-1 by Hillary Clinton and her team.
	3-1.
	And yet Donald Trump marched to victory.
	Well, this is about... See, our campaign is more than just a campaign.
	This is a movement.
	We have organic support.
	People who have never been involved in politics before saw what happened to their country, saw what happened here in Georgia.
	They're tired of getting mad at their TV sets, and they're ready to fight.
	They're organized.
	Those are the folks that I draw.
	Yeah, you can call me a deplorable.
	You can call me a non-establishment person.
	That's fine, because I'm unbought and I'm unbossed, and we're going to push this party forward.
	We're going to grow this party.
	We're the only ones that can take away from the Democratic Party's votes.
	You know, minorities have traditionally, conservative minorities, have voted Democrat.
	Why?
	Because they didn't trust the Republican Party, knowing that they were being screwed by the Democratic Party.
	Donald Trump wrote the book on how you can engage the African American community and other minority communities and get their votes by offering job opportunities, business opportunities, and not a program.
	Republicans still have not followed that.
	Many of them want to put two or three black people in a commercial and think that that's enough to get the black support.
	No, you have to go in that community and build that relationship.
	Let your policy speak for itself like President Trump did with job opportunities, the economic development, Opportunities in those areas that were now been depressed by Democrats with his opportunity zone district.
	He's turning those areas around people being hired from there.
	So when I look at this, this is not about money.
	This is about a movement and the folks are with me.
	The grassroots folks are with me.
	Those who want to see their country taken back or with me.
	Now again, I can't speak for the establishment.
	That's on them.
	But if they want to win, if the establishment really want to win, they want to beat State Sabres and Joe Biden.
	They better get on board this plane because I can tell you this, if you want to be on it when it lands, you have to be on it when it takes off.
	That's right.
	I love that.
	We'll be back in the next segment with Vernon Jones.
	He had over 10,000 donors to him in just 10 weeks in Georgia.
	He's rock and rolling and he's feeling the Vern.
	We'll be right back with Vernon Jones.
	Okay.
	The mics are live because it's Skype audio, so we'll still be able to hear, uh, Mr. Jones.
	So, um, the mics are live on Rumble right now.
	Uh, Boris?
	Okay.
	My screen is frozen on my end?
	Your feed is still working fine for us, Mr. Jones.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Bernard, just so you know, the, um, it's still recording.
	Okay.
	No problems.
	We are live for our Rumble audience.
	3,400 watching right now.
	Well, it's the rumble in the jungle.
	It's the thrill in Manila.
	It's the brawl for Government Hall.
	Good stuff.
	Good stuff.
	I like that.
	What did you say?
	Unbossed and what?
	Unbought and unbossed.
	I love that.
	Bought and unbossed.
	Three minutes to the next segment.
	We're getting huge numbers here.
	We are.
	Your intro is going to be on the side of the U.S.
	Constitution, Boris?
	Got it.
	And I want to make sure that we refer to our jonesforgeorgia.com website if it's okay with you guys.
	Sure.
	Jones, we're getting a little bit of feedback there.
	Jonesforgeorgia.com?
	Jonesforgeorgia.com.
	Got it.
	I will make that change right now.
	Georgia.com, okay.
	That will be changed.
	There we go.
	Georgia.
	Jones4Georgia.com.
	Yep, it will be on your Chiron in the next segment.
	And I'll call it out too.
	Vernon, let's talk about that CNN thing a little bit too, okay?
	I'll throw it to you.
	Okay.
	Two minutes.
	Okay.
	Hey, Boris.
	Yep?
	I think we just broke the record.
	Did we?
	3,531 watching right now.
	That's what I'm talking about.
	That is what's up.
	Maga Central, everybody.
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	Constitution, America First!
	This is Boris Epstein.
	I am sitting in guest hosting for Sebastian Gorka on America First.
	We have a packed, unbelievable show today.
	With me right now, Vernon Jones, Representative Vernon Jones, running for Governor of Georgia as the MAGA candidate.
	Then we've got Jane Timken from Ohio running for Senate.
	Top of the next hour, top of the 5 o'clock Eastern hour, we will have America First.
	America's mayor, Rudy Giuliani, then American hero Bernie Kerrick, and then Jim Renacci running for governor in Ohio.
	Now back to Vernon.
	Vernon Jones.
	Jones4Georgia.com is his website.
	At Rep.
	Vernon Jones is his Twitter.
	My Twitter is at BorisEP.
	My getter is at BorisEP.
	My Instagram, where I'm always coming in hot, is Boris underscore Epstein, Boris underscore EPSHTEYN.
	Vernon, are you on getter?
	Am I what now?
	Sorry.
	Are you on Getter?
	No, I'm not there yet.
	I need to be there.
	I can tell you that.
	I think if so, it's Vernon Jones.
	I want to say, maybe I am on there.
	Vernon Jones.
	We've got to get you on Getter.
	We've got to get you on there.
	That's where the MAGA movement is, and I'm sure you're on there.
	I'll double check.
	We'll get you there.
	Oh, there you are.
	At Vernon Jones.
	There you go.
	At Vernon Jones on Getter.
	Strong.
	Vernon, you had something very interesting happen just last week when you had America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani on with you in Georgia.
	You had an event, and then you had an open press availability, a press conference, and you had a little bit of an interaction with a CNN reporter.
	Tell us what happened.
	Well, you know, CNN has never covered me, never had me on their shows before.
	Why?
	Because I don't care their liberal narrative.
	And I'm not on there bashing Donald Trump.
	As a matter of fact, they won't let me on there because I will start immediately bashing who?
	Joe Biden, because Joe Biden is a bigot.
	Joe Biden has destroyed the African American community, but they don't want to hear that.
	I am not a victim.
	They don't want to hear that.
	I'm not suppressed by voting laws in Georgia.
	They don't want to hear that.
	It's the opposite.
	So here Rudy Giuliani, America's mayor, who's running big government.
	I've also been a county executive.
	I've run a big government.
	He had enough faith in me knowing that I can be the chief executive of the great state of Georgia.
	He endorsed me.
	CNN came there to what?
	To try and embarrass me and try to make me back off of having support from Rudy Giuliani and actually to attack Rudy Giuliani knowing, and we all know, that the mayor has not been treated fairly based on what happened in New York.
	That's for sure.
	Playing on my parade, he came with the double cross and he was a victim of the triple cross.
	Because I just let them know you're not going to come in and rain on my parade with your goals and your objective to shutting me down.
	They do not want me to be the governor of this state.
	Because why?
	So goes Georgia.
	So goes this country.
	My platform, my voice will be too bold, too broad and attract too many Democrats to the Republican Party.
	And they don't want that to happen because they know if they lost just 20% of the minority vote in the Democratic Party, that's a nail in their coffin.
	And who can best do that?
	Vernon Jones.
	You're feeling the Vern.
	We're feeling the Vern.
	We're in America first right now with Vernon Jones.
	He's running for governor in Georgia.
	The website is jonesforgeorgia.com.
	Vernon, where do you see this race going?
	Obviously, the primary is not until next year.
	Where do you see this race going?
	You versus Brian Kemp, and then who do you think will be the likely Democrat nominee for governor of Georgia in 2022?
	Well, here's the key.
	Here's what's so important.
	Voters in Georgia have to ask themselves this.
	Who is the best person that can beat Stacey Abrams or anybody that Democrats put up?
	You come back to one person, that's Bernie Jones.
	Brian just barely won the last time.
	He cannot, Governor Kemp cannot grow this party.
	He cannot bring new voters to the polls.
	I can.
	I can take the Democratic Party's votes.
	Brian, Governor Kemp cannot, but I can.
	And that's what fears the Democrat, that's the fear that Democrats have mostly.
	That Vernon Jones can come in and win this race.
	And that's why the Atlanta German constitution who's doing everything they can to manage Brian's campaign to help him get across the finish line to try to defeat me.
	But that dog will not hunt.
	We're going to beat him again.
	Uh, the people of Georgia, they don't have any confidence in him.
	They can't trust him.
	They couldn't trust him in election integrity.
	He will not call for a forensic audit.
	He brought dominion to Georgia.
	And you know what?
	We all know, all of us MAGA folks know, that he cut and ran on President Trump.
	And as a direct result of his, again, failed leadership, we have what?
	We lost two U.S.
	Senate seats and the President's election.
	Now here we are with Joe Biden, Joe Baseman Biden, crying Chuck Schumer, and Nancy hairdressing Pelosi.
	And I've said this many times, the three of them remind me of the Wizard of Oz.
	One has no heart, the other has no courage, and we know which one that doesn't have any brains.
	And they're not being led by Stacey Abrams, or I should say they're not being led by Dorothy.
	In total, they're being led by the Wicked Witch of the South, Stacey Abrams.
	And so we're gonna stop that, and that's what we represent, stopping that left.
	You know, CNN right now and others, including the article written by, I think her name is Sarah Maslin, near.
	She wrote an article, now she's saying that people who carry the American flag are likely to be Trump supporters and likely to be People who are racist.
	Now already, they're dividing us now with the American flag, when in fact, too many black people honor that flag, carry that flag, embrace that flag.
	My dad did as a World War II veteran, four of my brothers did as military men.
	God bless them.
	And we still carry that.
	But here now in New York Times, they're trying to get black people to be anti-American flag now.
	That is un-American.
	But this is what is happening with the left.
	That's where I come in with a big roadblock.
	And knock the hell out of that whole narrative.
	And that's what they're afraid of.
	Vernon Jones represents the future of this state and of this country in terms of Republican Party, but represent bringing people back together too, where we can come back and really honor that flag.
	We need to be saying a pledge of allegiance in our schools.
	Now they want to teach kids to hate the flag.
	Think about this.
	If they hate the flag, in wartime, would they defend the flag?
	This is crazy.
	Stop this now.
	Defend the flag as your family has, and God bless them, and thanks to them for their service, your dad in World War II, your siblings.
	Vernon, we have two minutes left here.
	As this audience is listening to you, we have a record now on Rumble for any show live in this show's history in America first.
	We've got almost 4,000 viewers, millions across the country, terrestrial.
	What do you want to say to this audience in Georgia and across the country?
	What is the one thing they need to know about Vernon Jones and why Vernon Jones needs to be the next governor of Georgia and then grow from there?
	Vernon Jones represent protecting our traditional values.
	Vernon Jones represents the Constitution.
	I embrace what the framers of the Constitution wrote.
	That document has been tested through the test of time and it's still strong and it's still solid.
	That's what I represent.
	I don't represent a color.
	I don't represent a party.
	I happen to be affiliated with a party.
	I happen to be a color, but I represent the United States of America.
	And with that being said, I want to make sure that we enjoy our freedoms, our liberties, the right to bear arms, the right to peacefully assemble.
	And we want people to come here in our country as immigrants, but we have to enforce the law.
	I am for enforcing the law at the border.
	In Georgia and across this country, What I represent is the fear of the left because they want to turn this country into socialism, Marxism, and communism.
	And they want to separate us and put us in buckets.
	I want to stop that.
	I can stop that.
	And with the help of Georgians and American people, we will stop that.
	And we'll have a kind of country, the America, that we all grew up in embracing that flag and not running away from that flag.
	And what that flag represents is the American way.
	It's the American dream.
	And that's what I stand for, the American dream.
	So I'm a deplorable.
	I am not a part of the establishment.
	Join me at jonesforgeorgia.com.
	When we win in Georgia, we'll win across this country.
	How do I say that?
	Or why do I say that?
	Because with this campaign, we can take this as governor of Georgia.
	We can go to New York, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, all across this country.
	The excitement continues.
	It's going across the country.
	He's Vernon Jones.
	God bless you.
	We'll be right back.
	Okay, mics are live on Rumble once again.
	Thank you so much, Mr. Jones.
	Thank you.
	Hey Vernon, are you there?
	Yeah, he's still there.
	You want to stay for the top of the segment just so we can sign off?
	Because I was kind of rushed to the end.
	Uh, that's okay.
	I mean, you know, I'm... Why don't you stay for the first 60 seconds?
	I mean, it's a quick break.
	Tell me about what you were saying about the records.
	What was that about breaking records?
	I heard you saying something but I'm not sure.
	We hit over, on Rumble.com, we're over 3,700 watching and they tell me the previous record was 3,500.
	Oh, wow.
	Is that for this show or just in general?
	For this show, for this show.
	Well, that's what we want to do.
	Great records.
	Let's do it.
	That's all we can do.
	So yeah, we'll just do a sign off.
	I'll read your website one more time.
	I'll thank you and then we'll rock and roll.
	That was awesome.
	Cool beans.
	Three minutes.
	Three minutes standing by.
	Boris is going to introduce you again.
	OK, sounds good.
	Sounds good.
	Okay.
	Vern, I'm not going to do the impersonation of my mom on the radio.
	That's okay with you.
	I was hoping you would do that.
	Then my mom would see it.
	Probably do not care.
	But any reason why my screen is frozen?
	We see it on our end fine.
	Not sure, yeah.
	It's working fine for us, sir.
	Sir, you see me?
	Okay.
	Yeah, we see you fine.
	We've heard that from some other Skype guests before.
	I am not sure why that is.
	But yeah, your video is moving smoothly on our end.
	Can we talk for a second about the fact that we're at 3,800?
	We peaked at over 3,900, actually, earlier, towards the end of that last segment.
	So, yeah.
	Boris, it seems like you and I need to do more shows together then.
	I think so.
	I think so.
	I think that's the way it's going to go.
	With your engineer there.
	With your engineer there.
	Of course.
	The whole team.
	There's a team.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, for sure.
	It's coming up our way now.
	How was Elsa?
	How was the hurricane?
	We had rain, but they didn't went away.
	Came and left.
	last about a couple of hours and then now it's sunshine. - That's great, yeah.
	It's coming this way big.
	Are you up north, not in Florida?
	Are you in New Jersey?
	I'm in New York right now.
	I'm actually in the city, in the studio.
	Yeah, it's headed your way.
	Oh yeah, big time.
	Big time.
	All right, we got one minute.
	Yep.
	- 50 seconds. - And what we'll do Vern is we'll put all this in one video segment.
	Yes.
	And I'll send it over to the team for them to use on social.
	All righty.
	All right, 30 seconds.
	Stand by.
	Rock and roll.
	Rock and roll.
	Rock and roll.
	This is America First.
	Let's get back to the show with Boris Epstein.
	Thank you, Sebastian.
	It's an honor to be here.
	And you know what?
	Vernon Jones was so great in the first two segments of the show, we had to ask him to come back and say goodbye properly because that was rushed at the end.
	Vernon Jones, running for governor in Georgia.
	Jones4Georgia.com.
	Vernon, thank you so much for joining us.
	God bless you.
	Good luck on the trail.
	We're all going to be watching.
	And I'll say for me, I'm rooting for you, my friend.
	Thank you, Boris.
	I enjoy being on the show and to the American people out there.
	Thank you so much for being a part of Rumble.
	It's the Rumble in the Jungle, the Thrill in Manila, and in Georgia, it's the Brawl for Government Hall.
	I love that.
	Unbossed, unbought Vernon Jones running for governor in Georgia against the Rhino Brian Kemp.
	We are breaking records on Rumble, ladies and gentlemen.
	Almost 4,000 viewers on Rumble, which is a record for the show.
	Vernon, thanks so much for joining us.
	Have a great day.
	Keep crushing it.
	Keep pushing the MAGA movement forward.
	Moving the MAGA movement forward.
	Ladies and gentlemen, we've had an hour and a half of this show.
	It has flown by for me like 30 seconds, and I hope it's the same for you.
	Why?
	It's flown by because we've had such unbelievable guests, such unbelievable conversation, an hour with Stephen K. Bannon, over 30 minutes with Vernon Jones, and we've got a lot more to come in the next segment.
	I've got Jane Timken joining me, the former chairwoman of the Ohio GOP.
	She's running for the Senate.
	We've got America's mayor, a hero, Somebody who I look up to so much and who it was an honor to work with and for post-election as we were fighting against the steal, fighting to stop the steal.
	Rudy Giuliani is coming on.
	Bernie Kerrick, former New York City Police Commissioner.
	Bernie Kerrick, who was the police commissioner of beautiful New York City when it was beautiful.
	And he got the city through 9-11.
	And then we'll wrap up with Jim Renacci, who's running for governor in Georgia against Mike DeWine.
	This is what we call action, action, action, action.
	And the action continues all across the country.
	In Arizona, as we said earlier when we were talking with Steve Bannon, the audit continues.
	And this audit is buttoned up, it's squared away and they're double-checking, triple-checking, quadruple-checking all of the numbers because the discrepancies that we are hearing, the difference in the numbers between what was certified and what was turned over for the audit is so significant.
	That if it is double-checked, triple-checked, quadruple-checked, and comes out to be as large as we're hearing, this is going to be a nuclear earthquake.
	A nuclear earthquake in American and world politics.
	And now, this week, because of Doug Mastriano, who we had on the show yesterday, the freight train of audits is fully on its way to Pennsylvania.
	Fully on its way to Pennsylvania.
	Doug Mastriano issued letters to three counties demanding any and all information and physical documents, including ballots.
	They have a deadline of the end of July to comply and if they don't, subpoenas are gonna fly.
	And to you, to the MAGA patriots, the MAGA brain trust, the MAGA movement in Pennsylvania, in Georgia, in Arizona, have your voices be heard.
	Support your elected officials who are fighting for election integrity, for truth.
	Support President Donald J. Trump as he fights for election integrity and for truth about what really happened in November of 2020.
	Because if we do not get to the bottom of what happened in November of 2020, we cannot move forward.
	And I've said it many times and I'll say it again.
	I'm not a machine guy.
	I don't know what happened with the Dominion machines.
	I think it should be investigated.
	But here's what I do know.
	The Democrats did what they've done for over 100 years, going back to Tammany Hall in New York City.
	They expanded the amount of ballots and they gutted the checks.
	Expanded the ballots and gutted the checks.
	It is accepted fact that Democrats stole the 1960 election, that Joe Kennedy bought the election for his son, JFK.
	Richard Nixon gave up, went back to California, ran for governor, lost, and then won in 1968.
	But he gave up in 1960.
	Well, you know what?
	The time of Republicans giving up is done.
	It is done, and it is dusted, and we're fighting back.
	And we're fighting back because of people like Vernon Jones.
	Because of people like Steve Bannon, who's helping lead this movement.
	And of course, we are fighting because President Trump is not backing down.
	You saw that in the lawsuit yesterday, the class action lawsuit that he filed against Twitter, against Facebook, against Google, and their CEOs personally.
	President Trump is not backing down, and we are not backing down.
	We are supporting the fight for the truth.
	about November 3rd, 2020.
	We are fighting against censorship and we're fighting against political persecution.
	We'll be talking about that with America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani shortly at the top of the 5 o'clock hour Eastern.
	Thank you so much to all of you for being with us on America First.
	God bless.
	We'll be right back with Jane Timken from Ohio.
	We'll be right back.
	We'll be right back.
	We'll be right back.
	We'll be right back.
	Hello, Ms.
	Timken, can you hear us?
	Yes, I can.
	Can you hear me?
	Yes, just letting you know the mics are live on our Rumble broadcast right now.
	Great.
	So, mics are hot.
	Okay, split-screen view, yes.
	Camera looks good.
	Audio sounds good.
	All right, we are just a little over two minutes away from airing, and Boris, you can talk to her if you want.
	We got two minutes.
	Hey, Jane, how are you?
	I'm great, Boris.
	Great, great.
	Excited to have you on.
	We've got all the topics.
	We're in good shape.
	Awesome.
	Two minutes to air.
	Two minutes.
	- Okay, start live. - So Jane, I'll introduce you a little bit and you'll talk about yourself and about the key issues.
	You know, this segment is nice, has a nice length to it.
	We're about eight minutes and there's a shorter segment on the back of it.
	So I'll probably ask you to stay over for the last segment as well if that's okay.
	Awesome.
	Good.
	Thanks.
	Okay.
	80 seconds.
	How are we doing, Rumble viewers?
	All right, one minute.
	Standing by. Standing
	by. Standing
	by. Standing by.
	America First, magnificent.
	Well, I'm feeling magnificent today.
	This is Boris Epstein.
	I am your guest host on America First, and we're keeping it real.
	There's no doubt about it.
	This is America First with Sebastian Gorka.
	I am guest hosting for my good friend, and we have a jam-packed hour and 15 minutes left.
	Jane Timken of Ohio coming up, then America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani, then American hero Bernie Kerrick, and then Jim Rennesee running for governor in Ohio.
	It is going to be a packed hour and 15 minutes.
	Make sure you go to rumble.com.
	We're breaking any and all records for the show on there.
	Almost 4,000 viewers.
	Let's get over that 4,000.
	Let's get to 5,000.
	And now, joining us from the great state of Ohio, The former chairman of the Ohio Republican Party, a MAGA champion, Jane Timken.
	Jane, thanks for being with us.
	Thank you for having me.
	Great to be here.
	Of course.
	You are running for the Republican nomination for Senate in Ohio to fill Rob Portman's seat.
	Tell us a little about yourself.
	You're a Harvard graduate.
	You're a lawyer.
	You are a very strong chairman of the Ohio Republican Party.
	Why should you be the next senator from Ohio?
	Thank you.
	Well, I can't sit on the sidelines and watch what's happening to our country.
	With Joe Biden and the Democrats, they're making us weak.
	Under President Trump, we had a strong and prosperous country before the disastrous China pandemic.
	But look, for the last five years, I've been fighting for the America First agenda.
	With President Trump's support, I became the chair of the Ohio Republican Party.
	I took on the K6 handpicked chairman.
	Who pulled away from President Trump prior to the 2016 election.
	I said, no way we cannot have this in our party.
	We have to support our nominee, President Trump.
	I did that.
	I proudly stood up and ran as his handpicked chair, and I turned the party into a well-oiled machine, and I proudly helped deliver Ohio for President Trump by more than eight points.
	I've been his biggest surrogate in the state of Ohio.
	Champion the America First agenda that was working for this country.
	Ohioans love President Trump and they want that America First agenda back.
	I'm going to be fighting for Ohio and America First policies in the United States Senate.
	Jane, that's great.
	And your help with President Trump is so appreciated.
	I was proud to be a senior advisor in the 2016 campaign, proud to be a strategic advisor on the 2020 campaign.
	It was amazing to have true MAGA support in Ohio from you when you led the party.
	Jane, let's talk about why you are running in terms of the issues.
	You've been traveling the state, talking about the dangers of critical race theory, talking about the need to bring Ohio manufacturing to the next level.
	President Trump did so much to restore manufacturing.
	And you just published an op-ed on voter integrity as well.
	What are your key issues as you run for the Senate?
	Well, first of all, you know, as I travel around the state of Ohio, I'm hearing from businesses all over, whether it's the service industry, restaurants, production, trucking.
	They can't not find enough people to work everywhere.
	There's openings.
	And I was just visiting a manufacturing plant and they had two lines down because they couldn't find someone to actually run the machine.
	It's affecting our supply chain.
	It's increasing our costs and inflation.
	We need people to get back to work.
	We need to get our economy going again.
	I'm going to be fighting for American jobs for jobs for Ohio, Ohio manufacturing.
	We're a big manufacturing based state.
	You see the Biden administration attacking our energy and our energy jobs.
	Ohio is a big oil and gas state.
	You know, when they cancel a Keystone pipeline and Green light one to Russia.
	We know that the Biden policies are wrong, making us weaker, making America less prosperous.
	I want to get back to the America first days of a brighter, more prosperous America with a strong foreign policy.
	You know, the other issue that I hear from as I talk to people as I travel around the state, and by the way, when I was chair of the party, I put 150,000 miles traveling the state of Ohio.
	I have a real understanding what Ohioans want.
	And as I was traveling, I started hearing from parents talking about what's happening in their schools.
	And quite frankly, with the pandemic, they were becoming more and more aware of what's happened to their children, the indoctrination of their children, and they are hopping mad.
	And critical race theory has no place in our education system.
	It's a Marxist racist ideology that teaches our children to be judged on the color of their skin, not the content of their character.
	That they are either racist because they're white or they're oppressed because they're black.
	This is absolutely wrong for our children.
	And we should be teaching each other respect.
	I have no problem teaching American history.
	The good, the bad, and the ugly.
	But this indoctrination of our children, and by the way, this indoctrination of the agenda of the transgender agenda, or the sexual orientation agenda is absolutely wrong to be teaching to our little children.
	Parents are up in arms and they're fighting back against it.
	We need to get back to the fundamentals.
	And you know that the NEA just decided that they are going to fight for critical race theory to be taught in our schools across the country.
	And they're actually funding so that teacher unions can fight back against parents.
	Unacceptable.
	Absolutely unacceptable.
	Yeah.
	Here in Ohio, we had three children who were expelled because their parents stood up and fought back against what was happening in their schools.
	This cannot stand in our country.
	We're failing our students.
	We're falling behind in teaching the fundamentals.
	That's where we should be teaching the next astronauts and engineers and scientists and doctors, whoever that child wants to be, whether they want to drive a truck or work in a manufacturing based site or build houses.
	We should be teaching them those skills, not this nonsense.
	Very well put, Jane.
	There are obviously a lot of candidates running for the Republican nomination and Ohio, in a big part thanks to you, has become ruby red in the last several cycles.
	How do you, and we have about a minute left and I'll ask you to stay over into the next segment, how do you distinguish yourself as the MAGA candidate from the others running?
	Well, unlike my opponents, I'm the one that's been in the trenches fighting for the America First agenda since 2016.
	I'm the one that has been supporting President Trump and his agenda for the last five years.
	And as I said, I've worked incredibly hard.
	to ensure his re-election in 2020.
	We did it right here in Ohio, where President Trump won by over eight points.
	I will always fight for that MAGA agenda, for the America First agenda.
	There's no one like me.
	I have a strong ground game.
	I believe in making sure we're out there talking to voters.
	I have the endorsement of over 140 Republicans, and I'm the only campaign that's actually talking to voters.
	We've surpassed 2,000 votes.
	Jane Timkin from Ohio.
	We'll be back in the next segment.
	God bless.
	And mics are live once again.
	We have a buffer on the background here.
	Miss Timkin, can you still hear us?
	I can.
	Okay.
	There's a hard cut there for the commercials, Jane.
	That's why.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, we were coming up on a hard break there.
	Yeah.
	But we have another segment, which is just under four minutes long.
	All right, Boris, new intro again for you.
	I'm just gonna tell you to go.
	Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Okay. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect.
	Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect.
	Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	One minute.
	This is America First with Sebastian Gorka.
	I am Boris Epstein, guest hosting today, and we're back with Jane Chimkin, running for the Senate in Ohio.
	Jane, we went through a lot in the first segment, why you're running, why you're the MAGA candidate who stood with President Trump, talked about critical race theory.
	Let's talk about voter integrity.
	You just put out an op-ed on the importance of voter integrity.
	What is your position?
	Oh, we have to have voter integrity and I will fight for voter integrity in the United States Senate.
	You know, we did it right here in Ohio.
	It's easy to vote and hard to cheat.
	And quite frankly, from the get-go with the Trump campaign, preparing for the 2020 election, we knew election day was going to be incredibly important.
	Working hand-in-hand with the Trump campaign, we recruited over 300 attorneys to be on the ground and volunteers.
	poll observers across the state of Ohio.
	In fact, I actually caught a Democrat operative advocating for ballot harvesting, and that was before the election, and I recommended that to the Attorney General to investigate.
	We need to get to the bottom of what happened in 2020, and I applaud those who are working very hard to get to the bottom of it and the audits that are happening across this country.
	So to be clear, do you, Jane Timken, support audits across the country, the freight train of audits in Arizona and Pennsylvania and Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Do you support these audits?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	And I don't know why anyone wouldn't.
	An audit gets to the bottom of what happened in the 2020 election.
	And if we expose the fraud, then we, you know, we know what happened.
	I don't see why the Democrats are afraid of it.
	And in my op-ed, I talked about how Hillary Clinton claimed that President Trump wasn't legitimate.
	They claimed that the 2016 election wasn't legitimate.
	But the news media applauded them for that, applauded Stacey Abrams for never conceding.
	But they attack Republicans for wanting to get to the bottom of what happened in the 2020 election.
	I think those audits should go through and I applaud those who are conducting them.
	Jane, we have about a minute left.
	What does the MAGA movement, the MAGA crowd, the MAGA brain trust, that's the viewership of this show, of other shows like Steve Bannon's War Room, what do they need to know about you?
	You've got about 50 seconds.
	I will always fight to make America great.
	I will always fight to make America strong.
	I am so proud to be an American.
	I will never apologize or back down from fighting for America, for our freedoms, for our constitutional rights.
	For our religious liberty, for our Second Amendment, for life.
	I will always stand up and fight for our jobs and our communities and our families.
	We need someone who's going to be a fighter.
	I used to play rugby in college.
	I'm not afraid of the mud.
	I can get in there and fight, and I plan on fighting for this country.
	I feel blessed to be a part of this country and a citizen of this country.
	We all owe each other so much to fight for a strong America, and we need to make America strong again.
	You heard it right there.
	Jane Timken at Jane Timken OH.
	Jane Timken running for the Senate in Ohio.
	Jane, thank you so much for joining us.
	God bless you and good luck.
	Thank you.
	Mic's on real quick.
	so Jane, that was great.
	Thanks so much.
	Thanks, Boris.
	Have a great show.
	You too.
	Talk to you soon.
	and thanks a lot.
	Thank you.
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	Bringing it far end.
	American Consequences Hello, Mr. Giuliani, can you hear us?
	I can hear you fine, yeah.
	All right, just letting you know the mics are live on our Rumble broadcast at the moment.
	We don't see video yet, but we hear you pretty clearly.
	All right, let's see.
	Does that help?
	It still says video not available.
	Hold it, hold it, hold it.
	Yep.
	Standing by.
	And no pressure, we have about four and a half minutes there.
	Okay, we see video now.
	Would you like to pan the camera down a little bit?
	Yes.
	Dennison Young will do that right now.
	All right.
	See if I can get my last try with my bow tie.
	Otherwise, I go with a regular tie.
	This one is too fat, I think.
	This one's too fat.
	All right.
	Yeah, yeah.
	All right.
	The mics are still going.
	We have the music playing in the background as well.
	How's that?
	How do we look?
	How you doing today, Mr. Mayor?
	Is it better?
	They're asking if it's better.
	Pan the camera down a little bit more, please.
	Yeah, you gotta bring the shot down.
	A little bit more.
	Oh!
	It just hung up for some reason.
	I will try calling it back.
	Calling again.
	Can you hear us?
	I can hear you.
	Sorry, something happened.
	It seemed to hang up suddenly.
	Is it better now?
	We still do not see any video, no.
	Mics are live, just as a reminder.
	so that we can talk to you.
	About three minutes to air, by the way.
	Hey, Mayor.
	Head folder.
	Can you hear us now?
	Yes.
	Yeah, I can hear you.
	We still see no video.
	Mike's alive, but we still see no video.
	Mike's alive, but we still see no video.
	The camera's still a little bit too high.
	But we do have video once again.
	Gotta put a little thing up on these legs.
	Gotta bring it down a little bit more if you can.
	Okay, that should be... Oh, hang on.
	Down a little more, please, actually.
	That, um, that, uh, hang on.
	There we go, that looks good.
	That right there should be good.
	Yes.
	No.
	Can you lower it one more time, please?
	Either way.
	We'll go ahead and show you guys your camera, so you can see.
	Lower it a little bit more, please.
	There, how's that?
	That should be good right there.
	Oh, God.
	Hold on to the table.
	Oh, God.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Mr. Mayor, can you hear us now?
	Thank you.
	There, that camera angle looks good.
	We've got that fixed.
	Alright, 30 seconds.
	30 seconds. 30 seconds to air, Mr. Mayor.
	Just didn't forget that.
	Forget that.
	I have a much better way to do it.
	I know.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	This is America First with me, Sebastian Gorka.
	I'm very excited to introduce our guest host for today, Boris Epstein.
	Thank you so much, Sebastian, my good friend, MAGA champion.
	It has been my honor.
	It has been my pleasure to guest host.
	for Sebastian on America First yesterday and today.
	We have an unbelievable hour left.
	Coming up right now, America's mayor, Mayor Rudy Giuliani, an American hero, then Bernie Kerik, and then Jim Rennaci out of Ohio.
	Mayor Rudy Giuliani, are you with us?
	I am with you, Boris.
	How is my friend, Boris?
	Mayor, I'm doing well.
	It is such an honor to be with you.
	Thank you so much for taking the time, sir.
	Always a pleasure, Boris.
	Always a pleasure talking to you.
	Mayor, so much going on, so much to get through.
	Let's start with this.
	Let's start with a disgusting political persecution of an American hero, of this generation's Eliot Ness, you.
	Mayor Giuliani, the DC bar just suspended your license, the New York bar's come after you.
	How do you respond?
	How do you fight back?
	How can this audience fight back?
	Well, first of all, I know this will sound strange to you, But I see it as kind of a badge of honor from these people.
	As you should.
	These people are, I don't know, some deliberate, some not.
	They're consumed with a hatred that has completely consumed their rationality, their fairness, their decency.
	And that's this irrational hatred of Donald Trump.
	And I mean, I know from the time I started representing him that we were getting all kinds of letters and bar association groups getting together.
	That I should not be doing this.
	And of course, that is totally inconsistent with our profession, which is everybody's entitled to a defense.
	Exactly.
	You really shouldn't have much of an issue in defending a president of the United States.
	And then remember, I'm probably one of their worst enemies, right?
	If you think about it, maybe.
	Maybe the worst.
	I probably have more facts than anybody else.
	I investigated the entire Biden situation.
	As part of my defense of him, to have it ready to defend him, should they try to go any further with that Russian collusion frame up.
	In the course of that, I gathered information about the bribes that he was taking into Ukraine.
	And then I gathered information about the bribes that he's been taking for 30 years.
	And then, as you know, the guy that he brought the computer to, the hard drive to fix, he forgot to go back and get it.
	And the guy tried to get it into the right hands, couldn't.
	And I was kind of the last one that he trusted.
	And he gave it to my lawyer, Bob Costello.
	He said, I trust Giuliani, he'll handle it the right way.
	So now I'm in possession of the solid proof that they've been crooks for 30 years.
	It was summed up in Miranda Devine's column yesterday.
	When she went to the text that you know so well, where he tells his daughter, I think it's January 3rd, 2018.
	He texts his daughter.
	He's kind of mad.
	And he says, you know, it's almost like Rodney Dangerfield.
	I get no respect.
	It is almost like Rodney Dangerfield.
	Nobody loves me.
	I get no respect, even though I've been supporting this family for 30 years.
	But maybe Pop won't also require you to give him half of your salary like I had to.
	You have to be deliberately stupid not to figure out what that means in the context of money from the crookedest people in Ukraine, Russia, China, Romania, Kazakhstan, and then a lot of local shakedowns.
	You know, the MSN, the bank that the son worked for, all of the crazy situations his brother James got him into.
	So basically what they're... Yeah, real all-star family over there.
	Brother James, brother Frank, and the kid Hunter.
	They're a crime family.
	Crime family.
	They're a bunch of crooks.
	Over a 30-year period, they amassed 30 million minimum.
	Now, Mayor, let me ask you this question.
	And his claims that he didn't know about it are disproven by all the times he's meeting with the clients.
	Of course.
	Meeting, having dinner with them at Fancy Cafe Milano.
	They're having a blast.
	Mayor, let me ask you this question.
	Right after that meeting, he should have been arrested.
	Let me ask you this question.
	When the FBI shockingly barged into your house, even though they had no reason to do so, and they took, you know, electronic equipment, they were interested and took the hard drive from how the Hunter Biden lapped up also, right?
	Because there's evidence of criminality on there.
	Did they grab it?
	Did they impound it?
	They lined up all the...
	The search warrant allowed them to take electronic equipment, so they couldn't take papers.
	So they lined up all the electronic equipment on my dining room table, and we went through it, and I said, you know, this really isn't mine.
	This belongs to my ex-wife, and she left it here.
	No, this belongs to a friend who left it here.
	Yeah, those are all mine.
	I was trying to help them.
	We get to the end, and I said, and those are mine.
	Oh, by the way, that's all the Hunter Biden.
	That's the that's the I kind of want to need them a little.
	I said one is the one is the edited version and the other ones with the child pornography.
	Well, heavy.
	And they looked at me and I swear to God, they were nice guys.
	I don't want to get him in trouble.
	But they said, Oh, no, no, we don't want that.
	We don't want that.
	We don't want that.
	Hot potato.
	You know, I'm gonna tell you the funny thing about this is all that stuff you got there.
	This is the only incriminating stuff I have in my apartment.
	The rest of that stuff you can go through to your heart's content.
	You're not going to find any of it.
	Unbelievable.
	And by the way, they've been investigating me for two and a half years.
	They basically had what they seized because they went and got my iCloud account.
	Which, by the way, the San Bernardino killers did not have their iCloud account accessed.
	Isn't that correct?
	But America's mayor, an American hero.
	How does that count?
	I was representing the president in the impeachment proceedings leading up to it and the proceedings when they when they went and got it.
	In other words, they went and got the account of one of the of his most active lawyer in his defense.
	How they how they justify that and how they justify invading my law office.
	I mean, there are six or seven or eight other clients whose attorney client privilege they just trash.
	They've completely, I mean, a long time ago figured out they don't think that Donald Trump has an attorney-client privilege.
	I think it's broader.
	I never invaded a lawyer's office.
	The only lawyers whose offices get invaded are lawyers for Donald Trump.
	They believe that Donald J. Trump, President Trump, the 45th and hopefully 47th president of this country, and anybody who's fought for or supported him do not have the same rights as liberals, Democrats.
	You know, the two criminals who threw Molotov cocktails at politicians.
	Police in New York, they still have their law licenses, yet the New York Bar comes after you.
	The D.C.
	and all these are liberal institutions, we know it.
	These are all liberal, absolutely woke, extreme institutions.
	And you may not like me saying this, Mayor, but I'm going to say this right now.
	We all need to support Mayor Giuliani, so I want you to go to RudyGiulianiFreedomFund.com and support him.
	Because we need to help Mayor Giuliani.
	This is an American hero.
	What I want to do is not only have the resources to defend myself and others, I want to have the resources to sue them for violating civil rights in a class action suit.
	I mean, what they've done, first of all, almost all the comments they're talking about were made on television or on my radio show.
	These are not comments I made in court.
	I mean, if I had done something wrong in court, the judge would have held me in contempt.
	The judge would have referred me for investigation.
	Well, he didn't.
	He ruled against us.
	And I was there in Johnstown, Pennsylvania when you were in court and did an amazing job standing up for President Trump on election integrity.
	Something you may not even know, Mayor, I had opposing counsel, Democrats, come up to me saying how impressed and blown away they were by Mayor Giuliani's performance in federal court in Johnstown, PA.
	Opposing counsel.
	That is a true story.
	Yeah, but I mean, generally, if something like this happens, it's the judge presiding over the case says, I'm referring this for investigation because I believe the lawyer acted unethically.
	So they just pulled it out of their hat.
	And these are statements that I make.
	On television and radio, which are protected by the First Amendment.
	Right.
	There's a Supreme Court case, I think it's called Gentilly, which actually says that those comments should not be the basis for lawyer discipline because we expect lawyers to be hyperbolic in the representation of their clients.
	That's how you give them proper representation.
	These weren't statements I made in court.
	Plus, as you know, I have support for everything I said.
	You were there with me when we were going over this.
	And also, they have never looked at any of that.
	So they conclude I'm not telling the truth.
	I offered them affidavits to show that I was, and they didn't take the affidavits because they didn't want to get burdened by the facts.
	Mayor, we've got about 30 seconds left in this segment.
	I'm going to ask you to stay over into the next segment, and then we'll have Bernie Kerik.
	It is such an honor to speak with you, such an honor to have you on this show on America First.
	Mayor Giuliani, a MAGA patriot, we've got to support him.
	RudyGiulianiFreedomFund.com.
	And we've got to fight back.
	President Trump fought back with his lawsuit yesterday.
	Rudy Giuliani's fighting back.
	MAGA champions, MAGA patriots do not stand down.
	They fight, and we've got to back them up.
	We'll be right back.
	Salem News Channel.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right, mics are live once again.
	Okay, so Tim, can we keep Mayor for a couple minutes at the top of the segment?
	Yeah, do you want me to move Bernie?
	I'm okay with time, Boris.
	Or do you want to bring them on together?
	Do you want to have them on together or separate?
	I'm okay with time.
	Perfect, that sounds good.
	Yeah, let's bring him on together if we can.
	That's huge, absolutely.
	If you like that, I can do that.
	It's up to you guys, whatever you want.
	We'd love that.
	And then, Mayor, what I'll do is we'll do the next segment, you and Bernie together, and then I'll thank you and I'll keep Bernie for the next segment, okay?
	As long as Bernie doesn't have to go outside and arrest somebody.
	Or beat somebody up.
	No, no, he used to make arrests when he was police commissioner.
	That does not surprise me one bit.
	Nice, great guy.
	Wow.
	By the way, Mayor, that's the truth.
	I don't know if I ever told you that story.
	I had one of the ACLU attorneys come up to me in PA and say, wow, Rudy really killed it.
	Yeah, well, they probably have very low expectations.
	Three minutes, by the way.
	Mics are on.
	Mics are hot, just so you know.
	Mics are on.
	Just reminding you that mics are on.
	We're about to have Mr. Carrick on the line.
	Okay.
	And Mr. Carrick is on the line if you want to talk to him, Boris.
	Hey, Bernie.
	Hey, what's up, bud?
	What's up?
	Mayor's on, too.
	Okay, good.
	Hey, Boris, how are you?
	I'm good, I'm good.
	We're having fun now.
	We're having fun now.
	Boris is knocking it out of the park.
	That's very kind.
	We do have a record on Rumble ever for this show.
	We're at 3,700 watching on Rumble alone.
	Cool.
	The difficulty with Boris is you don't know where he stands.
	No, exactly.
	He's very ambiguous.
	He's always on the edge.
	He's too intellectual and ambiguous.
	I'm a real Pollyanna.
	I did a nice interview for Brighton's today, Bernie.
	You did.
	I saw that.
	That was great.
	By the way, Mike's alive.
	Mike's alive.
	The guy had me on for about a half hour.
	Oh, good.
	Good.
	One and a half minutes.
	Okay.
	Mike's alive.
	seconds.
	Okay.
	I know that always happens.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You got to sit on it.
	Wait, wait, wait, my director.
	See my director?
	Hi.
	Only briefly.
	Yeah, that's the great Dennison Young.
	Howdy, Greg!
	All right, one minute to go.
	Standing by, 50 seconds.
	Alright, standby.
	Standing by.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	show with Boris Epstein. - Yeah.
	And here we are.
	We've got 40 minutes left in the show.
	I'm Boris Epstein.
	I've been driving this train for two days now, just like the fast freight train of audits that's coming from Arizona to Pennsylvania to Georgia.
	This has been a train full steam ahead, and we continue pushing forward.
	We've got America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani back with us and American hero, former New York City Police Commissioner Bernie Kerik joins us as well.
	This is truly a power panel.
	Bernie, how are you?
	I'm good.
	I'm good.
	Bernie, in the last segment we were just talking with the mayor about the cynical, disgusting attempt by the left to persecute him.
	Not prosecute, to persecute him for his beliefs, for his fight for the MAGA movement, for his fight for Donald J. Trump.
	Your reaction to the DC bar's pathetic move yesterday?
	Well, they're just following in the footsteps of New York, and they're doing what they're mandated to do by the party, I believe.
	You know, in New York State, the New York Bar, those guys, they all act for, or respond to, or work for the governor of the state of New York, Andrew Cuomo.
	They had to do what they had to do, or they'd be fired.
	That's right.
	on a mission.
	And the mission is to take out anybody that supports President Trump, that endorses President Trump, that works for him.
	They've attacked him.
	They've attacked his family, his supporters, his attorneys, everybody under the sun.
	But you know what?
	It hasn't stopped the truth from coming out.
	They can do all they want.
	They can go after Rudy Giuliani.
	Rudy's not going to break.
	Rudy's not going to fall.
	And he's going to continue to tell the truth as he's done since the beginning, since the election, and even prior during the impeachment hearings.
	Mayor, let's talk about the reason, a part of the reason why the woke, extreme, Pathetic left is coming after you so hard.
	Let's talk about this freight train of audits that's going from Arizona to Pennsylvania to Georgia.
	What are your hopes for what's going to come out of Arizona and Pennsylvania and Georgia?
	Well, I think I know what's going to come out of Arizona if they do it correctly.
	I've seen all the records.
	I have all copies of all the records.
	I think there are a lot of reasons why they've been doing this right now.
	I think they have a special reason.
	They want to shut me up.
	Because they know what they're in for in the next couple of months.
	When the Arizona audit comes out, it's going to show pretty much what we said.
	And same thing with Georgia.
	Pennsylvania is the biggest.
	Pennsylvania has a big job.
	I mean, first of all, anybody with common sense knows that Pennsylvania had to have been stolen.
	The president was ahead by 750,000 to 800,000 votes, with 65% of the vote cast.
	As you know, we had three different statistical experts who were willing to testify.
	It's impossible to make up that number.
	One in a quadrillion chance, I believe.
	One in a quadrillion chance to make that up.
	And then with the analysis of the vote itself, which was done by statisticians, in order to make that up, they had votes like 500,000 votes for Biden, 3,000 votes for Trump.
	I mean, there's no place in the world that he was gonna get less than 1% of the vote.
	In Pennsylvania, no less, right?
	Yeah, in Pennsylvania, where remember, right before the election, he went to that little town with a population of 40,000, they got 80,000 people.
	And when and when Biden went there, he had 12 cars, most of whom are people beeping at him.
	I mean, it's ridiculous.
	Everybody in Pennsylvania that knows politics, including the Democrats, Knows that Trump beat him and he probably beat him by well over 100,000.
	So they had to make up ballots.
	I mean, for example, that truck that came from Bethpage, New York.
	What's the story there?
	The FBI made that disappear.
	They also made the burning of ballots disappear.
	We were able to get some of those burning ballots.
	So there was there, as you know, there was some kind of a. Some kind of an organized effort here.
	To get this done.
	I'll tell you why I know it's organized.
	In six different places, they did the same thing.
	It's a perfect mark of a conspiracy.
	How is it that on the morning of the count, in six different places across America, for the first time ever in the counting of votes, these rails were put up.
	The Republican inspectors, who up until then, for 50 years, always got to see the printed ballots, were put a football field away.
	and were physically restrained from doing their job of examining the paper.
	We didn't see any paper in Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Phoenix, or Atlanta.
	And they picked all corrupt Democrat cities to do it in.
	So if you are very smart, they didn't do it in Omaha, Nebraska.
	They picked cities where if you go to court, you've got a Democrat This was a very well orchestrated, very well planned.
	And then when Trump was getting too far ahead, how come the count stops in five different places within a half hour of each other?
	Oh, there's a flood, right?
	Noah's Ark's coming out.
	No flood.
	No flood.
	There's a flood, there's the time.
	It's a joke.
	A truck comes in at three in the morning with 100,000 ballots on it.
	Mayor, let me ask you this question.
	And we've got about two and a half minutes here and then I know you've got to go and we'll be on with Bernie Kerrick in the next segment.
	Where do you see this going?
	If there's been this debate, you are one of the brightest legal minds in the history of this country.
	There's been a debate about whether once the receipts are in, once the receipts are in and there's overwhelming fraud shown, if that's what's shown as we expect, Is there anything that could be, there's some who say that there's absolutely no constitutional way possible to deal with the last election.
	I have been out there and said I disagree with that perspective.
	The Constitution between the 12th Amendment and the Electoral Vote Count Act and the 14th Amendment does not prohibit a potential action to correct the previous election if one has to happen.
	Where do you stand?
	I think it's very close.
	I think, you know, as a lawyer I'd be comfortable If this were a regular election, and you could prove fraud, you could overturn the election.
	in this highly charged atmosphere to do something for which there's no president.
	So the court would basically have to make that interpretation for the first time based upon what, if this were a regular election and you could prove fraud, you could overturn the election.
	However, we have a whole process in the Constitution of removing a president.
	And the question would be, is that the only process the founders made available?
	or could an action for fraud be brought?
	My tendency would be, that might be 50-50, but given how reluctant the court was to intervene in the first place, I don't know if they'd be that bold.
	I mean, you know, you could try it, but I think one of the things that would happen, you would certainly make sure it doesn't happen again.
	It would kill all this nonsense about H.R.
	1.
	They want to send out 140,000 ballots.
	140 million ballots, excuse me.
	Million ballots, right.
	For the next election.
	And you can send them back with no identification.
	Unbelievable.
	Mayor Giuliani, an American hero, somebody who's fought for America, who continues to fight for America, somebody who's fighting for all of us.
	And we've got to support him.
	Go to RudyGiulianiFreedomFund.com.
	Support Mayor Giuliani.
	Mayor, thank you so much for being here.
	It's an honor.
	God bless you.
	God bless your family.
	God bless your family.
	Okay, clear.
	Mics are still live.
	Mayor, thank you so much.
	Can you log out and log back in?
	Oh, he must have dropped.
	He dropped, okay.
	Hey, Byrne.
	Hey, what's up?
	Alright, let's do law and order.
	Let's hit Chicago.
	Okay.
	Chicago and New York.
	Yeah, Chicago, New York.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Constitution, America first!
	This is Boris Epstein on America First with Sebastian Gorka.
	I am guest hosting.
	We only have a half hour left, but we still have a packed show.
	Back with us, Bernie Kerik, American hero, former New York City Police Commissioner.
	Bernie, I want to talk to you about the terrible law and order situation in our cities, specifically in Chicago, where Max Lewis, a 20-year-old student, was killed senselessly on a train.
	Bullet, straight bullet hit him and he's dead.
	My brother from an Alpha Epsilon Pi fraternity A wonderful young man and so many more dying in Chicago.
	New York is getting terrible.
	Where do you stand, Bernie Carrick?
	What needs to be done?
	Well, listen, Boris, this is about one thing and one thing only, and that is leadership.
	You know, I think people tend to forget, and a lot of people that listen to this stuff today, they weren't around in New York City back in the 80s and 90s.
	But if you were, you realize that in 1993, The murder rate in New York City was more than, was more than, than it is today in Atlanta, LA, Baltimore, Detroit combined, right?
	We were the murder capital of the United States and people said it could never get fixed.
	It's never going to change.
	It's too big.
	It's too dirty.
	It's too corrupt.
	It's too gun infested.
	All the arguments that they have today for cities like Atlanta, or cities like Chicago, or New York City, as the crime wave comes back.
	But the bottom line is, it was all about leadership.
	Rudy Giuliani came in, and over his eight-year term, reduced violent crime by 65 percent, reduced murder by 70 percent, and in the black community, he reduced the murder rate by almost 80 percent, because that's where the violent crime is the highest.
	So don't tell me that this stuff cannot be fixed.
	But when you live in cities that are run by Democrats who are calling for the defunding of police, and defunding, to be clear, is nothing but an elimination of resources from the police departments.
	You take away money, manpower, resources, training, everything you've put into those cities to make them safe and secure, you now take out.
	As a result of the funding, and when you do, as I predicted last year, a year and a half ago, when this nonsense started, you're going to see substantial increases in violent crime.
	The increases have been overwhelming.
	But here's things that nobody pays attention to.
	In Atlanta, they have had a 40% increase in shootings.
	They've had a 41% reduction in arrests.
	Why?
	Because they've reduced manpower.
	They've taken away the immunity for cops.
	They're not supporting their cops.
	The same thing's going on in New York.
	The murder rate's up.
	The shootings are up.
	Violent crime is up.
	Cops, they took away the qualified immunity.
	They took away 600 cops off the streets, anti-crime, plainclothes cops.
	Their sole function in life is to go look for guns.
	Illegal guns, they took them off the streets.
	You know, everybody sits around in a big circle jerk in Washington wanting to know what's going on.
	The crime is out of control.
	Why is it out of control?
	And I have to tell you, Boris, as an outsider and somebody that's done this before, I have to tell you, I'm starting to wonder if this stuff isn't intentional.
	And I think that especially— I think that's a very good point.
	You know, Andrew Cuomo came out with that nonsense press conference where he's going to institute some kind of program and give them $138 million after gun manufacturers.
	and You don't need to go after gun manufacturers.
	Gun manufacturers aren't doing anything illegal.
	It's the bad guys that are doing illegal stuff.
	And they don't give a damn about your law, your programs, your $138 million.
	They could care less.
	So the bottom line is, I honestly believe that Democrats want as many guns in the streets as they can possibly have.
	They want as much violence as they can possibly have, because they're using that as a catalyst to remove the guns, to go after the Second Amendment.
	That's what I believe.
	So, Bernie, we have about a minute left.
	What can the MAGA movement, what can the MAGA posse, what can the MAGA populace do to make sure this doesn't keep happening in our cities?
	Well, first and foremost, 2022, they've got to take the House and the Senate.
	They have to take the House and the Senate.
	They've got to go after every one of these positions.
	And when I say take the House and Senate, I mean, MAGA has to take the house apart.
	Get rid of the rhinos that are in there, because they're just as bad as Democrats, in my opinion.
	In fact, they're worse.
	They're worse, because they're taking up vital positions that we could use to really change the laws and hold the president accountable.
	That's the bottom line.
	They've got to take the house and set it in 2022.
	You heard it right there from Bernie Kerik.
	Bernie, an American hero.
	Thank you so much.
	It's an honor to be with you.
	God bless you.
	Stay strong.
	Keep fighting.
	Thank you so much, Bernie.
	Thank you.
	Apparently Avinati cried in court.
	I believe it.
	Yeah, why'd he cry?
	When he got sentenced.
	30 months.
	100 months less than he should have been.
	Mr. Renaci, can you hear us?
	Mr. Renaci?
	Can you hear us, Mr. Renaci?
	Can you hear me okay?
	Yes, we can hear you now, but we do not yet see you.
	We're just letting you know the mics are live on our Rumble livestream right now.
	Mics are hot, mics are hot.
	We hear you, but we do not see you yet.
	My view is up.
	It says video not available for us.
	Sometimes it takes a little while to load.
	I can see it on my own Skype, but I don't see you either.
	All I do is hear you.
	Yeah, we have our cameras.
	For us, it says video not available.
	I'll try.
	Let me try.
	I'll try dialing you back real quick.
	Give me a moment.
	I'll hang up and call back.
	Is there a button he has to press to activate the camera?
	Sometimes, yeah.
	Like, to enable the camera.
	Okay, it's ringing again.
	Ringing.
	Ringing at far end.
	Now it says it's busy.
	Hang on, let me call back one more time.
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	The music is unbelievable, as always, on this show.
	We only have about 15 minutes left.
	We're supposed to have Jim Renacci, who's running for governor in Ohio.
	We've got some technical difficulties.
	We expect to have him any moment now.
	But let me tell you that this show has absolutely blown away my expectations, my hopes and dreams.
	It has been such an honor to sit in for MAGA champion Sebastian Gorka for these last two days.
	And today's show, Today's show, Steve Bannon, Vernon Jones, Jane Timkin, Bernie Kerrick, and of course, America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
	This has been above and beyond.
	This has been, as Steve Bannon said, a murderer's row of MAGA.
	And that's what we need.
	We need loud MAGA voices out there all day, every day, pushing ahead, pushing back.
	We cannot accept We cannot accept a tyranny of the left.
	We cannot accept a tyranny of the establishment.
	We have to fight back.
	With us right now, Jim Renacci, running, former representative in the House from Ohio's 16th District, running for governor against Mike DeWine in Ohio.
	Jim, thanks for being with us.
	Well, thank you for having me.
	I really appreciate it.
	Of course.
	So we don't have a lot of time, just about four or five minutes.
	Tell us, why are you running for governor and why are you running against a fellow Republican?
	Well, it's interesting you ask that.
	I get asked that a lot.
	Mike DeWine is not acting like a Republican.
	He's running the state like a Democrat.
	Two and a half years ago, I did run against him, moved to the Senate race, but I didn't believe he was the type of person who could change Ohio, and he hasn't.
	Two and a half years later, we've fallen behind in multiple categories, everything from jobs to drug addiction and overdose, everything that you would expect from a Democrat state like Cuomo in New York or Gavin in In California, this governor has acted like a Democrat, he's governed like a Democrat, and it's one of the reasons why Ohio is falling behind.
	Where's the polling in the race?
	How likely, how possible is it for you to unseat an incumbent Republican governor?
	That's a great question.
	We actually... We only ask the good ones here, Jim.
	Only the good questions here.
	Well, good question to me, because I saw multiple polls where donors were telling me to get in the race, and then I went out and hired a national polling firm, Fabrizio, who came back and showed that Governor DeWine has a 16%, only 16%,
	of the voters say they will vote for him again, 14% say they will likely vote for him again, that's 30%, but on the other side, 35% said they will never vote for him again, and 15%... And this is Republican voters?
	These are Republican voters, yes.
	Okay.
	So how many would never vote?
	Well, 50%, 35% said they will never vote for him, 15% they will likely not vote for him, so 50% of voters.
	We'll never vote for him, or likely not vote for him.
	On the reverse side, 16% said they would vote for him, and 14% said they would likely vote for him.
	Very interesting.
	On a head-to-head poll, I actually win today.
	42-31, I believe, were the numbers, with 24-25% undecided.
	And of those 25%, the majority said they were leaning against Governor DeWine.
	So these are Republicans.
	undecided and of those 25 percent the majority said they were leaning against governor de wijn so these are republicans these are republican voters what are your key issues What are you running on to defeat Mike DeWine?
	What are you focusing on as you crisscross Ohio?
	What's pretty easy is that crisscross Ohio I'm finding Republicans, Trump Republicans, but also just conservative Republicans saying we're tired of it.
	We're tired of a career politician who during COVID locked us down like a Democrat governor.
	During COVID hired a Democrat medical director who was pro-abortion and put her out front saying that We're going to have 10,000 cases a day, and he put fear in everybody.
	But at the same time, his draconian policies, because of those, we've lost 40% of many of our bars and restaurants, and businesses are suffering.
	So it's a pretty easy run.
	Most Republican chairs that I talk to do not support that.
	They know their counties do not support Governor DeWine, but the polling also shows that.
	So we're just going to continue to talk about what he's did, what he did, what he's done, and how the state has continued to fall behind.
	And we're going to work with those 35 for sure that aren't going to vote for him and the 15 that probably aren't going to vote for them and tell them I'm the candidate that can take Ohio in a different direction.
	Jim, I asked the question, this question of all candidates vying for the support of the MAGA movement.
	Where do you stand on the freight train of audits that's going from Arizona to Georgia to Pennsylvania to get to the bottom of what happened in the 2020 election?
	Do you support the audits?
	Well, absolutely, I do support the audits.
	I do think that election integrity is important.
	I think that, and by the way, when you're talking about a MAGA candidate or MAGA individual, I was supporting Donald Trump in Ohio before any was supporting him on March 13th before the March primary.
	I endorsed Donald Trump as a sitting member of Congress when nobody else was endorsing him.
	If you remember, if you remember back then, we had John Kasich running for president as well.
	And most people were hiding behind John Kasich.
	How'd that work out for Kasich?
	Well, you can see Kasich didn't go anywhere here.
	He did win that primary, but he lost in the long run.
	Ohio, as most people were, Ohio was the only state he won, but he didn't win much.
	And of course, as time played out, candidate Trump, at that time, was able to garnish more support and win Ohio in 2016 and then win Ohio again in 2020.
	That's right.
	Do you see Ohio turning ruby red over time?
	We've seen Ohio go from, you know, truly, truly battleground, stay 50-50, purple, to now President Trump winning by almost nine points.
	Where do you see Ohio going politically?
	We've got about 90 seconds.
	Well, here's where Ohio is.
	23% Republican, 21% Democrat, and 56% Independent.
	Ohio is not a Republican state.
	I call it a Trump state.
	It's a place where Independents are more conservative and where Republicans garnish the lead because of those Independents.
	That's very interesting.
	What are you planning to do in the next month, six months, the next year, really, as you run for this primary?
	What are you going to do to try to win the MAGA vote and become the nominee for governor in Ohio?
	Well, it's easy for me to convince people that I'm the MAGA candidate because of my support for Donald Trump.
	Since March of 2016, before the Ohio primary, but what I really need to convince them of is make sure they're aware that Governor DeWine is not a MAGA candidate, and Governor DeWine is actually somebody who is more of a Democrat than a Republican.
	He's a Cuomo-like governor.
	Jim Renacci, thank you so much for joining us.
	Very, very interesting race there in Ohio.
	We had Jane Timkin earlier running for the Senate, now Jim Renacci running for governor.
	Thank you so much.
	We will be right back.
	We will be right back.
	We will be right back.
	We will be right back.
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	We will be right back.
	My friends, my countrymen, my brothers and sisters in the MAGA movement, it has been such an honor to be your host on America First, to guest host for Sebastian Gorka.
	I want to thank you for tuning in.
	I want to thank you for breaking the record on Rumble.
	We got up to almost 4,000 views on Rumble, a record for the show, during the show.
	Thank you so much for giving me your ear.
	Thank you so much for watching.
	And thank you for continuing to fight.
	It is my honor to be out there fighting for you day in day out, to be pushing the freight train of audits, to be helping audits go across the country from Arizona to Pennsylvania to Georgia to get to the bottom of what happened on 3 November 2020.
	It is my honor to support Rudy Giuliani, to support Bernie Carrick.
	It is my honor To be on this show weekly with the one and only Sebastian Gorka, and it is also my honor to be on War Room with Stephen K. Bannon.
	Why are we all doing this?
	We are doing it.
	We're spending our time.
	We're spending our lives.
	We're putting our reputations on the line because we believe in MAGA.
	We believe in America first, and we believe that that is the future of this country.
	As Vernon Jones said, this can be our sunrise.
	This can be the start of a new day in America, but only But only if we push back against the tyranny of the left.
	If we do not, if we let them overtake us, this country will become like the country that me and my family ran away from.
	The rubble of the Soviet Union.
	Hateful, decrepit, three hour long bread lines.
	A sad, dark, dangerous place.
	And it's already becoming dangerous here.
	Bernie Kerrick told us all about it.
	So all of you MAGA patriots, stand up.
	Always color within the lines, but stand up.
	Stay strong.
	Push back.
	Push back against critical race theory.
	Push back against those who are urging our children to change their genders.
	Push back against the hate of the left.
	Push back against the stealing of our elections.
	Push back against the artist formerly known as Joe Biden, those controlling him in the White House.
	Fight back against the overspending that's happening, the trillions and trillions and trillions of your dollars going out the door, going out the window.
	Push back against that.
	I know you will.
	I know you will, because you are the bloodline of this country.
	You are what makes this country tick.
	President Donald Trump is the most authentic president in the history of this country.
	He was the 45th president, and I hope he'll be the 47th president.
	And with his leadership, we are going to keep making America great again.
	It is my honor to be a small part of that.
	It's also my honor to wish my dad a happy birthday coming up on Monday, July 12th.
	Dad, I love you so much.
	Thanks for all your support.
	I want to thank all, each and every one of you who tuned in these last two days.
	It has been wonderful.
	I want to thank the team at America First.
	Great team that Sebastian's got.
	I want to thank everybody at Salem.
	Sebastian Gorka, a great American, an American patriot.
	I want to leave you with this.
	Stay strong.
	Keep fighting.
	Believe in yourselves.
	Believe in the MAGA movement and believe in God.
	God bless each and every one of you.
	I love you.

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