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Andrew Klavan FULL SHOW: The Left declares independence from the truth

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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, this is America First, and please welcome our very special guest host.
	It is true, this is Andrew Klavan of The Daily Wire sitting in for Sebastian, fighting the urge to just do an imitation of Gorka for the next three hours to sound like a Bond villain, you know.
	Yes, Mr. Bond, we expect you to die, but I don't think I'm going to fight that urge down.
	I also don't want my guests to think that I'm going to interview them whilst they're strapped to a table with a laser going up between their legs.
	I think it would be much more relaxing if I just let the spirit of Gorka hover over us as we get going.
	And we have a terrific lineup of guests, the first being an expert on what I think is I think is the biggest issue in the country.
	You can point to a million things going wrong with the country right now.
	We're in a very bad period.
	This is one of the most difficult periods I've seen in my life, which has lasted now since the Civil War.
	And I think one of the central issues, and possibly the core issue, is the corruption of our press.
	And it's not just a bad press, it's not just a biased press, it is a corrupt, a dirty press, not just telling us things a little slanted, but really spewing lies and cutting off the truth.
	Alex Marlow, an old buddy of mine, I haven't seen him in a hundred years, I believe it was 1921 we last saw each other during Prohibition.
	Alex Marlowe, he is editor-in-chief of the terrific site Breitbart News.
	He has written a book called Breaking the News, exposing the establishment media's hidden deals and secret corruption.
	Alex, you there?
	I am there, Andrew.
	Thanks to you and for Dr. G's team for having me back on the show.
	It's a real pleasure, Alex.
	I mean, I watch the news.
	You watch the reporters swarming around Donald Trump and saying to him, are you an asset of the Russians?
	Are you a Russian spy?
	And then swarming around Joe Biden and saying, what flavor of ice cream is that?
	And you notice the subtle difference.
	It's hard to spot at first, but if you have a lot of expertise and looking at the press, This is not bias.
	This is corruption.
	Is that fair to say?
	Oh, absolutely it is.
	And you're so right to point out the ice cream thing, which I cannot get over.
	How people want to portray ice cream as so cool all of a sudden.
	Because this 800-year-old man likes eating ice cream while he rides his aviators.
	It's the least cool thing I've ever seen.
	It's so frail and feeble, and that's how Biden looks.
	But you're right about this, that the media is no longer simply biased.
	They're weaponized against conservatives.
	They're weaponized against populists.
	They're weaponized against the America First crowd and those values in general.
	If you are not someone who is aiding and abetting the march of the institutional left through our institutions at this time, then they're going to take you out.
	And this is a little different, Andrew, because you and I are both new media veterans, which is only about 15 years, which is only one-tenth of Biden's lifetime, which is amazing.
	But in our 15 years or so in new media, it hasn't always been this way.
	This is a relatively new thing.
	We're all deciding we can't just agree to disagree.
	We can't have different approaches to try to get the same conclusion.
	If you disagree strongly with the left, they will try to take you out.
	I know you've experienced that firsthand.
	Very much so, and it's appalling to me to watch newsmen basically put forward the case that other newsmen should be taken off the air.
	Not that they're wrong, not that they disagree, but that they should be gone, that Fox News should be gone, that there should be silence where it used to be.
	You have the subtitle of your book, The Establishment Media's Hidden Deals and Secret Corruption.
	What do you mean by that?
	I mean, this is not just A guise with an opinion, right?
	It's not just people, oh, we sort of agree with one another.
	It is actually a dedicated move in the direction of silencing the right.
	Yeah, you can see it in relatively plain sight.
	You have to have a keen eye to it.
	But a lot of these deals are pretty easy to unwind.
	And unfortunately, when I researched this book and took about a year or so with a small team of some of whom were on loan to me from Peter Schweitzer's amazing shop, the Government Accountability Institute, And what we found was that a lot of the major decisions in our newsroom weren't simply about a bunch of liberals who went to Columbia Journalism School, and they all think the same.
	Of course, that's happening, too.
	But a lot of them were about bigger business ties, bigger corporate ties.
	And this is why you see so many people in the establishment media kissing the butt of China, for example.
	This is the clearest example.
	And I think this played out over the weekend, where I've been at the last couple of weeks hanging out in Los Angeles.
	They still have some of the cafes demanding you wear masks outside.
	Well, in China over the weekend, they were having these huge gatherings of hundreds, about thousands of people maskless, all grouped together, no doubt spreading coronavirus.
	Well, if it's happening in America, we care about it very deeply.
	If it's happening in China, we don't care about it at all.
	Why don't we care about it at all?
	Because these are massive markets for our media industry.
	They don't want to piss off China, because if they do, they're going to get kicked out of their country.
	Examples of which I document in the book, when people who do active reporting on China, if they have access, but they usually don't, they do get kicked out.
	And I think that's why so much of the media missed the original story about the coronavirus, because NBC News wanted to do NBC Universal movies in China.
	ABC News wants to make all that money from Disney through China.
	That's just the clearest example of something that's happening in virtually every major narrative in our media today.
	It really makes me wonder why the true activists, the real dedicated socialists, the real dedicated leftists, aren't up in arms when they see some of the double dealing that goes on.
	I mean, I think about Brett Kavanaugh and a woman who couldn't prove that she had ever met him making this accusation and it becomes Raving news, and we have the Me Too movement, and all this stuff is going on.
	And then Joe Biden gets accused of a woman who actually worked for him, by a woman who actually worked for him, that he threw up against the wall and penetrated her with his hand.
	And that is radio silence.
	The New York Times doesn't cover it for 20 days.
	When they finally do, it's Easter Sunday.
	It's buried in the paper.
	And Dean Baquet, the editor of the New York Times, says, well, you know, Kavanaugh was up for the Supreme Court when Biden was actually running for president.
	Do the people, do the feminists start to say, oh, we're being lied to?
	No, you're right about this.
	And I think some of them do, which is why it's been really exciting to watch someone like Rose McGowan, who has been consistent.
	And there are a few liberals, not leftists, but liberals who have been consistent throughout this.
	It's been interesting to watch when Glenn Greenwald comes to mind, someone who's quoted extensively from his actual journalism in the book, and even though I don't think Glenn and I would agree on a lot of stuff politically, we certainly agree that truth is much more important than whatever agenda it is you're trying to set.
	But the other interesting tell is I have a whole section on the book relatively early on, called the Brett Kavanaugh hoax, where I break down exactly what you discussed.
	And I also break down later in the book how the seemingly credible allegations by Tara Reid would have moved voters away from Biden, if not towards Trump, at least to a more neutral stance in terms of the election.
	I write about all this stuff reading the book, and no one in the left has come after these sections.
	Why?
	Because they're all backed up with end note after end note, but also because they're true, and the left just doesn't want to talk about it.
	They want to act like the Kavanaugh hoax was real.
	They want to act like Joe Biden is incredibly accused of a violent sexual assault, because that's the only way they're going to get their narrative through.
	It really is quite amazing.
	We're talking to Alex Marlow, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News, where they've been fighting the good fight for a long time, since before the great Breitbart himself died.
	The book he's written is called Breaking the News, Exposing the Establishment Media's Hidden Deals and Secret Corruption.
	Alex, if you can hold on a minute, we're going to come back to you in the next segment.
	You know, I have to say that when I started out, I started out as a newspaper man.
	And I worked in a small town newspaper, but the guys I worked with went on to become some of the biggest reporters in the country, including Adam Nagourney, who was the chief political reporter at the New York Times.
	And I can remember, and Adam was as left as it was possible to be, and I was a liberal then, I was a kid, you know, I didn't know anything, I was kind of a brainless liberal, but I can remember Nagourney calling me out For being too left-wing.
	I can remember him just saying to me, hey, you know, you have got to tread the line.
	You have got to deal these stories straight.
	You've got to tell the truth, even if it's against your point of view.
	And Nagourney, you know, I loved the guy when I worked with him.
	He's one of the best reporters I ever met.
	But when he went to the New York Times, I think the pressure of being at that paper and the way that paper I always call the New York Times a former newspaper because it has drifted so far to the left that it is no longer reporting the news.
	He just became one of them.
	He just transformed and his transformation I think was really part and parcel of the transformation of the news business.
	It's been sad to see but it is really one of the most dangerous things affecting the country right now.
	It's dividing us.
	It is letting the left run wild.
	It is really a terrible thing.
	We're going to be back with Alex Marlowe in just a minute.
	Thank you.
	Let's get back to Andrew Clavin.
	It is true.
	Andrew Klavan's sitting in for the inimitable.
	He's not really inimitable, because you have to imitate him.
	The imitable Sebastian Gorgor, but the irreplaceable Sebastian Gorgor.
	We are here with Alex Marlow, the editor-in-chief of Breitbart News and the author of Breaking the news, exposing the establishment media's hidden deals and secret corruption.
	Alex Marlow, it would be easy for people to look at the news, all the various outlets, and think, well, they just happen to agree with one another or this is kind of a feeling that's going around, but they're actually kind of working together, aren't they?
	Yeah, they are working together.
	One of my favorite examples of this is with the guy named Ben Smith, who is the media columnist for the New York Times.
	He got that job because he was the editor-in-chief of BuzzFeed News, which really never turned into much.
	They were the people who released the bogus PP dossier that was being shopped around Washington and New York newsrooms, and no one would publish it.
	Well, Ben Smith did, and it turned out to be totally false.
	Even though it helped further divide the country and cement the fake news era under Trump.
	But so when BuzzFeed News sort of went under, Ben Smith was out and he was in, however, as a media columnist for New York Times, which is one of the most prestigious jobs in media.
	So Ben Smith had shares in BuzzFeed.
	And BuzzFeed is owned by NBCUniversal.
	So when Ben Smith writes about BuzzFeed, he does tend to disclose that he's got shares in BuzzFeed, but he never points out that NBCUniversal, I invested $400 million into BuzzFeed.
	So when he reports on NBC, he never discloses that he is actually a guy who is a major stake in a company that is owned by NBC.
	I'd never call and disclose it whenever he's reporting NBC.
	And he's done some of the most harsh criticism of NBC detractors.
	Remember when Ronan Farrow went rogue on NBC during the Me Too stuff?
	Well, he's attacked Ronan Farrow, which is essentially a major soft money contribution on behalf of NBC, where Ben Smith is tied in financially.
	None of this is disclosed.
	And with Maury Andrews, he promised he would sell his stock.
	in BuzzFeed when he took the job at the New York Times as of last January.
	So now it's last July, as far as I know.
	And I reached out to Ben right before I sent him my final draft.
	And he did not deny that he still got stuck in stock in BuzzFeed.
	So that's exactly what it is.
	The NBC, the New York Times, it is literally the same thing.
	It's not sort of the same thing.
	It's literally the same thing.
	You know, it is amazing.
	And when you look at that Harvey Weinstein story, all the virtue signaling about Me Too, And there was a major corporation working with its Hollywood owners...
	To cover up for this Hollywood bigwig who was raping women.
	I was just a lowly screenwriter, which is maybe the lowest thing you can be in Hollywood, but even I knew he was an abusive guy.
	Everybody knew it and they just really worked to cover it up.
	Do people know, Alex, do people understand how... I know that people don't trust the news media, but do they understand how united, how forceful, and how purposeful they're being?
	Yeah, I think that this is a mixed bag.
	I think more than ever, people do.
	And I think that, thank goodness for people in New Media and Talk Radio who've always led the way on this.
	I think there are more Americans, maybe even a majority of Americans, who understand that the news is not to be taken literally at this time.
	As unfortunate as that is, it's not going to get reformed anytime soon.
	It needs to be discredited.
	And on topics that have any politics in it, You need to really take it with a grain of salt if you're going to take anything out of those outlets at all.
	I think more people get it, but sadly, a lot of people don't still.
	And that is very scary to me.
	When you're watching CNN, when you're watching MSNBC, the most charitable view you can have of it is that it's pro-wrestling.
	That is the best case scenario.
	I still don't think everyone thinks that way, though, which is, you know, that's my mission.
	I know it's your mission, too, to try to increase that number.
	I, you know, it's very difficult.
	You'll see NPR bury the Hunter Biden story, go on Twitter and say, we are burying the Hunter Biden story.
	And then the Hunter Biden story pans out.
	It actually plays out to be a valid story.
	And nobody turns off NPR.
	Nobody says, well, you lied to me.
	It's kind of like, it's kind of like the wife who keeps taking her husband back in this time, baby, I'm really going to be true to you.
	You know, it's, it's, it's really amazing that no matter how many times they lie, people keep listening.
	You mentioned New Media, and you and I really have been on a journey in New Media.
	I mean, we both remember Andrew Breitbart well and how he was a founding member, a builder of New Media.
	How is that project going, do you think?
	Are we making any inroads?
	You know, companies like the one I work for, Daily Wire and Breitbart, they become big companies.
	But are we making any inroads getting to the people who just want to pick up their newspaper in the morning or whatever they're reading now and hear the news?
	Are we reaching the people?
	Yeah, the battlefield is always shifting.
	The one thing that I'm really thrilled about is how we neutralize the establishment press.
	I do think that the establishment press was able to wield untoward amounts of power.
	Now I think the establishment press is pretty much the immovable object meets the unstoppable force, or whatever it is.
	Because conservative media, combined with talk radio, is so big, I do think we push back against each other incredibly effectively.
	But I'm deeply concerned that the battlefield will shift, because they used to take us on based on our ideas, Andrew.
	They used to challenge us.
	And this is something I've really noticed with my book, which was the top conservative book in the country for five or six weeks.
	I'm going to debate you.
	It was a New York Times bestseller against their will, even though they bumped me down nine slots based off of my actual sales.
	But I know you guys experienced that firsthand.
	Daily Wire, they do that to you guys, too.
	But still, it was out there.
	It got no interest from the establishment press.
	It used to be the establishment press would say, come on my show.
	I'm going to debate you.
	I'm going to unpack your ideas.
	I'm going to beat you on a fair playing field.
	They don't do that now.
	They just act like we don't exist.
	And I think as we get more complacent as a nation, we spend too much time in front of our screens and having food delivered to us.
	If we get lazy, that's going to be very bad because conservatives thrive when people are curious and driven intellectually.
	You know, it seems to me even worse, and the really dangerous thing is not only do they not engage with us, they're actually trying to shut us down.
	I mean, the former president of the United States, Donald Trump, who got more votes than any president in history except one, maybe, has been knocked off every social media platform, and yet nobody on the right seems to be saying that something has to be done.
	Do you believe that that can stand?
	I've only got about a minute here.
	No, no, I've been a big advocate that people on the right need to take this seriously.
	Everything should be on the table in terms of fighting back against these tech oligarchs.
	Anna, you're right about this, because they're moving votes.
	I believe they're actually moving enough votes to swing some of these closed states by picking and choosing what information is out there and by censoring accurate information and promoting inaccurate information that has their political viewpoint.
	This is a massive, massive problem.
	And not to mention, the right needs to do much more on the entertainment front, which I know is near and dear to your heart.
	We've done almost nothing on that with a couple of notable exceptions.
	That's another place where we're falling down a little bit.
	We really have not caught up with that.
	I've been banging that drum for 20 years now.
	When I started, I will say this, when I started saying we have to get into the culture, people would stare at me like I came from outer space.
	Now people call me and ask me, you know, what I'm talking about.
	They get it.
	They get that the culture has taken over everything.
	Alex Marlow, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News.
	Really good book, Breaking the News, Exposing the Establishment Media's Hidden Deals and Secret Corruption.
	Thanks for coming on, Alex.
	Hope to talk to you again soon.
	It's a pleasure.
	So, we're going to take calls.
	If you want 833-33-GORKA, 833-334-6752, call in.
	You don't get this with Sebastian, but all my answers are guaranteed 100% correct and will change your life.
	Will they change your life for the better?
	You're going to have to call and find out.
	833-333-GORKA.
	We're going to talk more about the lies we're being told by the press and more about the lies we're being told about America, even as America is celebrating its birthday, which is just amazing to me.
	Amazing and rather sad.
	But we'll talk more in just a few.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	America first.
	Can you believe it?
	They are saying that they don't agree with America first.
	How do you say that?
	Magnificent.
	All right, we are back.
	This is Andrew Klavan sitting in for Sebastian Gorka on American First.
	We're taking calls at 833-33-GORKA, 833-334-6752.
	You know, I hope you had a good Fourth.
	You know, I hope you had a good fourth.
	I took a little time and drove out to the U.S.
	Marine Memorial in Arlington, right across from Arlington Cemetery.
	It's the famous statue, I'm sure you've seen it, of raising the flag on Iwo Jima, taken from a photograph at that time when the Marines, the soldiers, were just fighting island by island trying to dig the Japanese.
	out of their caves and the Japanese would not surrender.
	Tremendous cost of life, tremendous difficulties.
	But finally, the raising of the flag on Iwo Jima became an iconic symbol of victory.
	And for me, it was an actual journey into the past because when I was a little kid, and again, this is a long time ago, but when I was a little kid, I used to go to that statue all the time and it represented America to me.
	I had a little model of it on my desk at home, and we would go there again and again, and it really said to us, you know, this is what America was, this is victory, this is sacrifice, this is a kind of unity that was felt in America through that time into late into the 60s when things started to unravel.
	And I was just sitting there, you know how you have these visceral memories, you'll smell something and it's like you've been there, you'll hear a song, And you'll just remember what it was like to be there.
	I had that visceral sense, that physical sense of being back in the past, and it felt like being back in a different world, a different country.
	I mean, we have July 4th, the most patriotic of patriotic holidays, and to get a nice word out of the Democrats about this country, it was like pulling teeth.
	I mean, the President of the United States, let's just play a couple of the clips of his speech, right?
	The great triumph of July 4th, the founding of the greatest, freest, richest, most powerful country that has ever existed on God's earth.
	I mean, if this country is not a success story, I don't know what is.
	This is Biden remembering the day and he was there.
	Cut five.
	245 years ago, we declared our independence from a distant king.
	Today, we are closer than ever to declaring our independence from a deadly virus.
	That's not to say the battle against COVID-19 is over.
	We've got a lot more work to do.
	But just as our declaration in 1776 was not a call to action, was a call to action, not a reason for complacency or a claim of victory.
	It was a call to action.
	The same is true today.
	Yeah, so then we beat the greatest empire on earth in the battlefield to win our freedom and establish a new land dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal and to liberty, and now we've gotten over the flu.
	So it's really, it's kind of the same thing except completely different.
	And here's the one cut in this that really, really bugged me.
	This cut eight.
	I've long said that America's unique.
	Unlike every other nation on earth, we were founded based on an idea.
	We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all people are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, among them life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
	And while we've never fully lived up to those words, we have never given up on them.
	They cannot say it.
	They cannot say it without talking about our imperfections.
	And you know, obviously, what on earth is perfect?
	Nothing on earth is perfect.
	But it's kind of like going to somebody's birthday and saying, happy birthday, you're a year closer to dying.
	You know, it's just, it's not the moment.
	It's not the moment to celebrate.
	It's a moment to applaud, but they can't.
	NPR, this was unbelievable to me.
	NPR put a trigger warning on the declaration every year for 32 years, morning edition.
	NPR putting this out.
	Morning Edition has broadcast a reading of the Declaration of Independence by NPR staff as a way of marking Independence Day, but after last summer's protests and our national reckoning on race, the words of the document land differently.
	You can always tell when journalists are lying when they go into that passive voice.
	Land differently on whom?
	On youm!
	Everybody, Democrats, it was incredible.
	Cori Bush, congresswoman from Missouri, saying black people are still not free.
	Like, on what planet?
	And the interesting thing about this, the interesting thing about this is a new poll from INITIP polls finds that 68% of adults say they are very or extremely proud to be an American, with another 15% moderately proud.
	That is an enormous number.
	That is 80, I'm an English major so I have to put it together, but it's 83% 83% of Americans are proud to be Americans.
	The only age group that is not proud are young people aged 18 to 24.
	Why do you think that is?
	It's because these people, the Democrats, have taken over our institutions, Hollywood, the schools, the academies, and are teaching them not to be proud, and are teaching them also in this subtle way that they have something better, namely Leftism and socialism.
	And leftism and socialism is a big lie that they are putting on these kids and forcing them, forcing them to believe in it, or at least pretend to believe in it, which is also a terrible sin.
	It's a terrible sin to teach young people to be insincere, to lie, to get a grade.
	We'll be back talking more about this.
	We'll take some calls coming right up.
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	Constitution, America first!
	Absolutely.
	Andrew Klavan from the Daily Wire sitting in for the great Dr. Sebastian Gorka on American First and on the side of the Constitution is what it is all about.
	You know, I say this a lot.
	I know we'd like to talk about right and left and those are easy designations and we all know what they mean, but we're really not in that position anymore.
	We're actually not dealing with right and left.
	We're dealing with friends of the founding and enemies of the founding and that really is what it's about.
	I mean we can, there are plenty of discussions we can have between right and left, discussions of goodwill, discussions where there's room for compromise, but there is no way to really reach any kind of dialogue between people who are against the actual basic ideas of the founding, that basic idea that power comes from the ground up, from the individual up and not from Washington We're going to take some calls.
	Remember, if you want to call, it's 833-33-GORKA, 833-334-6752.
	We have Brent on the line from LA.
	Brent, I'm sorry to hear you're in LA.
	What's going on?
	Well, God bless you, Andrew, for all your brilliant content.
	Thank you.
	And what I was wondering is, do you think what explains our Marx, Mao, MACUSA media is that it is fundamentally owned by Beijing, and that is what accounts for it not being run for profit as real corporations are?
	That's a really interesting question.
	Thank you for calling Brent.
	That's that's a really interesting question.
	And in some ways it's true.
	They're not owned literally owned by Beijing.
	But as Alex was talking about before they are in fact indebted to Beijing.
	Remember the media each media outlet that you see is owned by other media outlets and they have Hollywood arms and they make movies and all this.
	And they you remember with Fast and Furious six, nine, Fast and Furious nine.
	I had turned upside down as Fast and Furious nine.
	John Senna apologizing for calling Taiwan a country, the last free piece of ground.
	Now that Hong Kong has gone, the last free piece of ground associated with China.
	And it is, in fact, a country.
	He called it a country.
	And then he had to say he was Han, Han, Han, Han.
	He was Han, Han, Han, Han, sorry, Han being Chinese for very or Chinese for I'm a wimp or something like that.
	Sorry, Han being Chinese for very or Chinese for I'm a wimp or something like that.
	I don't know what it's for.
	I don't know what it's for.
	Han, Han, Han.
	Han, Han, Han, sorry for saying that because he needed that movie to make a profit.
	Sorry for saying that because he needed that movie to make a profit.
	And of course, that market is huge.
	And, of course, that market is huge.
	And, you know, people made fun of John Senna, but it's not it's not him.
	And, you know, people made fun of John Senna, but it's not it's not him.
	It's it's the company.
	It's it's the company.
	It's he has to you know, he has to serve the company and serve the the movie and keep his to keep his star rising.
	And if he kills a big film like that with his big mouth saying talking, speaking the truth, then he's the guy who gets stuck holding the bag.
	But it really is the company that's calling the shots.
	So in some sense, they're owned by the profit motive.
	They're owned by their desire to get that gigantic Chinese market.
	And listen, this has always been true of these guys.
	It's been true of Hollywood since the Nazi days.
	They want that market, even if the guy in charge would have killed them if he got his hands on them.
	And that's true now, too.
	But there's something else.
	It's something in some ways that's even worse.
	A lot of ways, when I say we're not dealing with right and left anymore, I say that because China has created a new model of tyranny.
	It's not necessarily right, it's not necessarily left, and it puts to the lie things like the Ayn Rand idea that capitalism will save us all, that profit is everything.
	If you don't start with basic values, those basic values that grow out of Christianity and become the idea of freedom that is the American idea of freedom, if you don't start with those values, Capitalism won't save you.
	No ism will save you.
	No system can save you if you don't have in the hearts and minds of the people written on their hearts, if you don't have those values first.
	And right now what we have is an elite class, a failed elite class, an elite class that has not done a good job of guiding this country into a better future, into a new world, consolidating around the idea that they are the experts and life is far, far too complicated for you little people.
	In fact, you're all going to be replaced by robots and we're going to give you a guaranteed income.
	So don't worry, you don't need any meaning in your life.
	You don't need any work in your life to guide your life.
	You don't need any dignity that you get from work.
	All you need is a guaranteed basic income.
	We'll replace you with a robot and then we just sit back and we are going to run everything.
	Where they get the idea that they have the ability to do that, I don't know.
	What it is about their achievements that makes them feel so good.
	But if you look, you know, the World Economic Forum, those are the guys who meet at Davos every year and they're just masters of the universe in their own minds, right?
	They have this thing called the Great Reset.
	And what's the Great Reset?
	The Great Reset is, this is a moment, this is a crisis, let's not let this crisis go to waste.
	Everything has changed because of the shutdown, the ridiculous, absurd, harmful shutdown that we had over the Chinese virus.
	That that shutdown has been benevolent, that it has actually done good things, that it has saved a single life, is nowhere in evidence.
	There's a new study showing, no, it actually cost lives, it certainly cost dreams, it certainly cost the economy.
	For what?
	For a flu that killed people when they were very old, or very fat, or had a lot of comorbidities.
	You know, it was a dangerous flu, I'm not mocking it, I'm not running it down, I'm just saying, it was just as bad to close schools where kids are now Going uneducated, where kids have lost their way.
	A lot of minority kids, poor kids that the left is supposed to care about so much, just have vanished.
	Will never make up those years, that year that they lost in school.
	So they closed it all down.
	So they now think, well, we've done such a good job ruining the economy and ruining the West.
	That really we should take over everything and so the World Economic Forum has this manifesto where they say we enter a unique window of opportunity, I'm reading this from their website, to shape the recovery.
	We are going to do this, we billionaires.
	Not you, not what you think should be happening, we billionaires are going to do this.
	We're going to shape the recovery.
	This initiative will offer insights to help inform all those determining the future state of global relations.
	Not you.
	The direction of national economies, the priorities of societies, the nature of business models, and the management of a global commons.
	It's hard, I can't read that with like a George Soros accent just to get the kind of arrogance, the incredible arrogance.
	But that is essentially how Chinese, how China runs.
	So my point is that It's not that they're owned by China.
	It's that they are China.
	Their philosophies are exactly the same.
	China will let you go out and make a gazillion dollars.
	They will let the market work to the point where your good ideas will make you rich.
	But if you say, you know, maybe this communism is a bad idea, like Jack Ma said the other day, a billionaire in China.
	You vanish.
	You vanish without a trace.
	And Warren Buffett and his friend Charlie Munger, these two big investors, just gave an interview.
	They said, yeah, well, he deserved it.
	China has got it all figured out.
	They're doing a great job.
	He shouldn't be in the banking business.
	So they disappeared him.
	It's the way they feel about you.
	So when you ask, is the media owned by China?
	Yes, in the sense that they want those profits.
	They get hungry for those profits and they haven't got the values to say, we will not get those profits because it's wrong.
	We'll not get those profits because we're patriots.
	So they're owned by them in that sense.
	But they're owned by them in an ideological sense as well.
	There is no difference.
	There is no difference.
	There is a hair of difference between the philosophy of the Chinese and how they bully people with social media and how they Make your social ranking, uh, you know, just they can drive you into despair with your social ranking, keep you from getting jobs, keep you from getting into college.
	Twitter wants to do that here.
	YouTube wants to do it here.
	Google wants to do it here.
	They're all the same guys.
	It is us against them.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	America First. - Oh.
	All right, Andrew Klavan sitting in for Sebastian Gorka on America First.
	You know, when you go back to the founding documents, when you look at the Federalist Papers, some of the most brilliant political writing that has ever been done, just amazing, it's amazing stuff.
	You look at it and think, like, how did they know?
	And some of them, I think Madison was like 18, 19 when he was writing this stuff.
	But Madison, you know, one of the ideas that they had from studying history, and they looked at history very closely, they looked at the history of republics, they knew that the country, you know, that republics fall.
	They knew that republic, anything that has a democratic element to it is unstable, because the people are unstable.
	They knew it would always be, you know, a A near-run thing, a close-run thing, whether it was going to survive or not.
	And one of the ideas that people had was they thought a democracy, a republic, has to be a small entity.
	You cannot have this big, sprawling republic because how are the people going to get together?
	How are they going to know each other?
	And Madison said, no, this is actually different, a different situation.
	Because we've got these states, we can actually have small republics within a greater republic.
	But nobody, no matter how brilliant he is, can foresee the future.
	And this is one of the reasons why I, whenever I hear experts, the experts telling me what the future is going to be like, I roll my eyes because they really don't know.
	You know, you go back and you look at the ideas of the future and they say, remember the Jetsons?
	I don't know if anybody remembers the Jetsons, the cartoon of the future.
	They had mom and dad and the dog, and the dog was a robot and everything was automatic.
	And they got all the automatic stuff, but they never thought of the idea that maybe mom isn't going to want to be mom anymore.
	Maybe mom's not going to want to be in the house.
	And one of the things that the founders did not foresee is the media.
	The way the media brings us together and glues us together so that, you know, it really used to be within living memory that if you were living in Tennessee and somebody else was doing something crazy in New York, you might shake your head over it, but it really had nothing to do with you.
	Now with the media, it reaches into your home, it's there every minute, and it gives Washington a way of reaching into your home and being there.
	I remember When Obama started this whole transgender thing, one of the things about Obama is because all his policies actually failed, because they hobbled the economy, because they set the Middle East on fire, he was always going to hot-button issues to restore his confidence.
	And that was why he was constantly harping on race.
	That's why we went into the Obama administration with fairly good race relations and came out of it with miserable race relations.
	And he said, you know, people have to allow transgender People to use the bathroom that they choose in their elementary schools.
	And I immediately thought, oh, the Democrats are going to lose the next election.
	Because why should a Chicago Paul, a Chicago Paul in Washington, D.C., be telling somebody in Arkansas who can use his school where his daughter, where his little girl goes to school?
	What does he know about Arkansas?
	The answer is Zip doodly nothing.
	You know, he knows absolutely nothing about it.
	And yet television has kind of brought us all together.
	It's gotten rid of our regional accents.
	It's gotten rid of our regional pride.
	And it's certainly gotten rid of the idea that Washington is a far, far away place where they do not know who you are.
	And not only do they not know, they don't like you.
	They don't like what they see because they get their ideas just like everybody else.
	They get their ideas from Hollywood.
	They think everybody in the South is a bigot and all white people are dumb.
	You know, the whole thing.
	routine is what they're looking at.
	And that is the big thing we're dealing with.
	We're dealing with the media.
	We're dealing with what the media can do.
	And we're dealing with what huge institutions can do to our democracy.
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	Here we are.
	The mics are on, Rumblers.
	It's about to become the Daily Wire Hour here at America First.
	Dialing him up.
	Make sure to drop us to some rumbles.
	Please.
	Yes.
	All 2200 of you.
	Pretty good.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Hello, Mr. Knowles.
	Can you hear us?
	You guys give us one moment.
	We'll connect you.
	All right.
	Right.
	Picture looks good, which is important.
	Yep.
	Okay, we connected.
	You have just a little over two minutes to air time. - I need some soft music just as the background.
	- All right.
	- Do you need anything else to drink Water?
	Anything like that?
	I would like some water actually, eventually, yeah.
	Mr. Knowles, can you hear us?
	I can hear you!
	Okay, awesome!
	The mics are live on our Rumble broadcast.
	So what are they, are they saving money on lights?
	They are, yeah.
	Now I'm just really dark and cool here.
	I'm gonna pull it away.
	It's like no one understands me, you know?
	How you doing?
	I'm good.
	Well, it's so strange to see you there in the Gorka studio.
	I know.
	I've been just fighting the urge this entire time not to be saying, like, Michael Knowles, the master of the gallery.
	Andrew Cleveland.
	How's the show going so far?
	Well, I'm still here.
	I'm just waiting for the panels to fall off and the microphone.
	Are you going to be there Friday?
	Yes, I will.
	All right.
	I will indeed.
	Bring back those cigars.
	That was the best cigar I've ever had.
	How great was that smoke?
	It was a great cigar.
	Yeah.
	I know.
	I know.
	I'm sorry my... One minute to air.
	I'm sorry my son wasn't there.
	I know.
	I was thrilled because then I got to keep more of the cigar.
	So I was actually quite happy.
	Is there going to be an intro on this?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's going to be the one that we came in.
	So it's going to be not as long, but your cue is going to be the same for as it was at the top of the last hour.
	Okay.
	You may have an aversion to the letter E. And the name of the book is Speechless, right, Mr. Knowles?
	You know, I haven't said it very often, but yes, Speechless.
	Just checking my library to make sure I got the right one.
	Alrighty.
	20 seconds.
	Stand by. Stand by.
	Stand by.
	He may have a peculiar relationship to the letter E, but he's still the galactic super master Andrew Clavin.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, this is America First, and please welcome our very special guest host.
	He says it so you know it's true.
	Andrew Klavan sitting in for the great Dr. Sebastian Gorka on American First.
	And we are entering the Daily Wire zone.
	We're entering a half hour, a pure crystal, kind of sparkling half hour of Daily Wire content because I have with me my Daily Wire compadre Michael Knowles who is
	Runs the Michael Knoll Show, the creatively named Michael Knoll Show on the Daily Wire, but also is the author of the so-called best-selling, well, you know, we say it's best-selling, it's called Speechless, the book is called Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, and yes, it has been on every best-seller list in the country at the top, but the New York Times is the gold standard, my friend, so have they yet admitted, fallen to their knees and admitted that you are in fact a best-seller?
	I don't think they understand the irony of what they are doing.
	Not the irony, just how fitting it is.
	I think I might have to send them a muffin basket, because after they snubbed me, like the left so often does, they redefined words.
	They redefined the word bestseller to mean not a bestseller.
	All the books that sold fewer copies.
	But ever since then, the book jumped even higher up the charts.
	It then hit Number one on Amazon among all books for the first and probably only time in my life I can say I beat Quentin Tarantino.
	He had his novel come out once upon a time in Hollywood.
	We were ahead of that at number one.
	And so my sincere thanks to the New York Times for getting people to read a book now that will explain why they're so completely full of it.
	I love the fact that somewhere, the demon of the New York Times is curled up in a corner just hating the fact that your book is selling.
	They give themselves away.
	Now, I want you to know that because I'm doing Sebastian's show, and he sounds just like a Bond villain, I did have this kind of urge to have you on strapped to a table with a laser coming up to destroy you.
	What do you expect of me, Drew?
	Do you expect me to talk?
	No, Mr. Bond!
	I expect you to die!
	This is Sebastian Gorka.
	But I, you know, I contain myself, I restrain myself.
	So this is a book about political correctness, but it's different.
	I mean, it is a different, it is not just a hit, the usual, you know, seven reasons the left stinks.
	It is, it is actually a history of how this idea came into being.
	Give us, give us a quick rundown of how the idea did come into being.
	Well, this began, I think, about a hundred years ago.
	Most people trace political correctness back 20 or 30 years.
	I think it's further back.
	I think it goes back to about the 1920s.
	I am hesitant to mention that a lot of Marxists were involved in developing this because, you know, the right blames Marx and Marxists for everything.
	But the fact is, They were responsible for a lot of bad things.
	They weren't the greatest people.
	Yeah, right.
	And so you've got to call it like you see it.
	However, as you say, the book is a little different, I think, than most conservative polemics in the sense that I point out plenty of terrible things the left has done and I criticize the left for it.
	But frankly, I reserve more of my ire for the right because I think one of the things the right has done so wrong is we've just dismissed these leftist intellectuals and leaders who have developed this extraordinarily effective strategy of manipulating language to their own ideological ends.
	And I think we've dismissed them and ignored them at our own peril.
	The fact is the leftist intellectuals who created PC Understood political correctness and, in my view, free speech and censorship much better than most people on the right do.
	I think they were brilliant political tacticians.
	And I think you're seeing that brilliance today in the way that they have so utterly upended our culture.
	And I think if we don't take them seriously, beginning in the 20s and going all the way up through 2020, I think we're only going to lose more ground.
	And frankly, there's not much more ground to lose.
	Well, you know, one of the things that has really been disturbing to me in this last kind of iteration of political correctness for a while, it was kind of they shamed you.
	They kind of said, it's just polite.
	It's just being polite.
	And they kind of used our system of manners to shut us up, to make us feel like, oh, you have to say this word instead of that word.
	You have to, you know, put it that way instead of this way.
	You didn't get it right.
	You were racist.
	You were sexist, all these things.
	But now they've gotten bold.
	Now they've gotten bold.
	Now they are really ready to make you lose your job if you don't put things exactly, if you don't think the way they think.
	And one of the tools that they have been using is corporate media.
	If Amazon takes your book off its website, which sells, I think, 90% of new books in the country.
	You are effectively sensitive.
	Twitter takes the President of the United States, the former President of the United States, off their website.
	He has lost a major platform in which to speak.
	Now, a lot of people on the right say, well, those are free market, independent, private institutions.
	They have the right to do that and we don't want to give the government the power to force them not to do it.
	What do you think?
	Well, it's wrong for two reasons.
	One, the build-your-own-Twitter crowd forgets that we did build our own Twitter.
	It's called Parler, and what did they do?
	They kicked it out of the App Store, which effectively took it off of smartphones.
	And then, just to give the final punch, they took it off of desktop because Amazon Web Services removed it from its servers.
	So what's next?
	Build-your-own-internet?
	Build-your-own-society?
	I guess that's what we're trying to do.
	That's the purpose of politics.
	But then, even beyond that, Twitter, and even more so, Facebook and Google, control the flow of information around the Internet, which is the public square.
	So they control speech.
	And in a democratic republic, if you control speech, you control politics.
	The way we govern ourselves, at least in theory, is that we speak to one another, and persuade one another, and deliberate, and then come to some sense of how we're all going to live together.
	So, if my rights are being taken away by hipster Rasputin, Jack Dorsey and Silicon Valley, that doesn't make me feel any better than if they're being taken away by some bureaucrat.
	And to your point, Drew, on politeness, I think that's such an important one, because the left is not acting very politely, but they are using our desire to be polite against us.
	Sometimes people will say, political correctness is a It's a speech code that tells you you can't say certain things.
	Well, that's true, but so is chivalry, right?
	And so is manners and politeness.
	But there's a difference in the way that political correctness has done it.
	Namely, when I call an older woman a woman of a certain age, I'm being polite.
	I'm not lying.
	I'm softening the reality.
	I'm not calling her an old hag, but I'm not lying.
	If I call a man a woman, I am lying.
	If I call a juvenile delinquent a justice-involved youth, that's actually the term that is used in the academy and in a lot of the legal profession.
	I am lying, because the youth is involved in the opposite of justice.
	He's involved in injustice.
	So much of what political correctness does is not use euphemisms to soften reality, but actually to invert it.
	And so that's the soft censorship.
	And then they have the overt censorship on big tech, which in the words of Mitch McConnell, It is operating like a sort of woke parallel government at this point.
	And I think we have the political right to intervene.
	This is one of the reasons that I just feel that people who say we shouldn't stop Amazon from censoring books are living in the past.
	I mean, basically, I agree with Lincoln that our Constitution, our Constitution doesn't mention God, but it's based on the Declaration.
	The Declaration says we have God-given rights.
	And governments are instituted among men to preserve those rights.
	To me, that means that if it's Amazon taking away my rights, or whether it's Washington taking away my rights, the government is obligated to stop that from happening.
	That is the purpose and the reason they're there.
	And I understand that that creates difficulties in law, but it still seems to me that if we are going to be able to speak freely, we have to be able to do that.
	Now, there are technical answers.
	I mean, Dan Bongino just started a PayPal.
	Shouldn't be censorable and I know our pal Dave Rubin has got a new, his local site.
	Do you look forward to this?
	I've only got about a minute until the next segment because I'm not letting you go until the next segment.
	But do you think that the answer may be more technology rather than less?
	Sure, I'm all for more technology, but ultimately you are going to run into the Amazon Web Services problem.
	Ultimately, you're going to run into people denying that you can have a domain registration.
	I mean, this goes pretty high up, and it's also a little blurry, the distinction between public and private and free enterprise and government here.
	I think Google is pretty tight with the government, and whether that's the government of China or the government of the United States, A bigger problem.
	But I think, you know, the easy dichotomies of, say, the 1980s and 90s, I don't think they're quite so clear, because I think the liberal establishment have kind of fused into this blob, and we need to be creative to figure out how to push back against it.
	Absolutely.
	Michael Knowles, the author of Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, a bestseller absolutely everywhere except on the pages of the New York Times where they just can't stand it.
	We'll talk to Michael more as we come back.
	I have to tell you that I was walking around Washington D.C.
	over the Fourth of July weekend and I saw that fence that they have built around the capital and it breaks your heart it breaks your heart you know i think you know i was obviously not in favor of charging into the capital on january six but they have used it like the reichstag fire to just surround themselves to cut themselves off even further uh... from the people there Their responsibility to you, their respect for you, their respect for your rights, their respect especially for your right to speak is gone.
	It's gone.
	It's not fading away.
	It is gone.
	They are actually out to stop you, and if they can do it through corporations, that's what they'll do.
	We will be back with America First.
	Sebastian Gorka is not here, but Andrew Klavan is.
	And mics are live on Rumble once again.
	Alright.
	Great.
	And Mr. Knowles, yeah, your audio is turned back up.
	There we go.
	So you're being watched by thousands of people at this moment.
	I love it.
	I prefer that at all times.
	I was thinking about giving away my home address just so that I could... I feel lonely when there's nobody around.
	I know, I know.
	You're essentially an actor.
	You cease to exist if people aren't looking at you.
	That's right.
	Although, really, I've lost all of my star power at home.
	To my cute little baby boy, who is now, yes, he is the star.
	He's got very strong political opinions about the, you know, between pears and bananas for lunch, or triple monkey, or he is.
	He's playing louder than I am.
	He is a cutie pie, I gotta say.
	That is a cute baby.
	Obviously.
	Doesn't look like me at all.
	I was gonna say, that could only have happened.
	He looks 99% like his mother and 1% like the mailman, which is very odd.
	I'm still trying to figure out how.
	Is he what Ibram Kendi would call a racist baby?
	Oh, you know, baby, they're all racist.
	They're not just racist.
	They're not, you know, because now racism just means bad, right?
	That's just a synonym for bad.
	But they are just little piles of just Caprice and, you know, vitriol and selfishness.
	Very Augustinian of you.
	Speaking of vitriol and caprice and selfishness, I'm almost... I'm only about seven million more pages until the end of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged.
	So I'm three quarters of the way through and it's unbearable.
	But you can always drop it on your enemies.
	Yes, that's true.
	Come over here, you.
	It really worked.
	This philosophy really works.
	Imagine if I had the hardcover.
	You know what I'm reading that is really good?
	Have you read René Girard?
	Maybe.
	I see Satan fall like lightning.
	Oh, no, but I have been meaning to, but no, I have not read it.
	It's very exciting, you know.
	I started it and I was thinking, this is kind of interesting, kind of interesting, and about a third of the way through I thought, no, this is actually really an exciting book.
	It's like, you know, just to tick off our mutual friend, I said to him, you know, that the only people who actually think about important things in a religious point of view are the Catholics, you know.
	Just watch his head explode.
	I assume Seb's ear is perked up at that.
	It's excellent.
	I mean, I forget who it was.
	It was Spencer Clavin.
	No relation.
	Was it Spencer who told me to read that?
	Well, I don't know if he told you to read it, but he featured it on Because I downloaded it, though.
	I'm almost certain I downloaded that book a while ago, and it's just one of those that's still on my, kind of, to-do list.
	Like I said, when I started it, I was, you know, I thought, this is interesting, and then I got, I started to think, wow, this is actually an interesting book, really.
	It's always so happy when you, because sometimes, speaking of Ayn Rand, I'm now, you know, I'm so bought in.
	Forget about the sunk cost fallacy.
	I'm just, I have to finish, but you just think, ah.
	Why?
	30 seconds?
	All right, I've got 30 seconds.
	All right, coming in with Rasputin by Boney M. All right, stand by.
	On the side of the U.S.
	U.S. Constitution,
	America versus your Q. Standing. Standing. America versus your Q. Standing. Standing.
	On the side of the U.S. Constitutional Constitution, America first.
	That is us.
	This is Andrew Klavan sitting in for Sebastian Gorka on American First.
	Not doing, by force of will, not doing my Sebastian Gorka imitation, just so I can sound like a James Bond villain.
	But when it comes to villainy, we have an expert on.
	We have Michael Knowles from The Daily Wire, my compadre at The Daily Wire.
	He has written a book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, which would be a bestseller everywhere if If and only if the New York Times would simply break down and admit that the book is selling out like hotcakes.
	Knowles, so you have a quote in here that I think is, I think it's at the heart of some of the stuff you're saying and it's really, it's different than The free speech absolutists, obviously, but I think it's not quite as far as some people who would just kind of float the Vatican into Washington and drop it from a helicopter.
	The quote is, in a self-governing republic, speech is politics and politics is speech.
	As the realm of politics requires limits, so too must the realm of speech.
	By failing to acknowledge this practical reality, the so-called free speech purists give the game away to politically correct censors.
	In other words, if we don't say that something has to be censored, we're not really fighting fire with fire.
	Is that a fair way to put it?
	Sure, and yes, I think it's fair, but I would go even further.
	I'm not merely giving the prescription here that we need to censor people more or something like that, or I'm not merely saying that we need to construct our own standards out of thin air, although I do think we need to embrace standards.
	I'm making a descriptive observation about politics that all societies will have taboos.
	That is inevitable.
	That has been true everywhere in history.
	It's certainly been true in America.
	And there have always been limits.
	And those limits, some have been imposed at the federal level.
	Many, many more have been imposed at the state level or at the local level.
	But that is simply going to happen.
	And so what we have come to view as a battle between free speech in the abstract and censorship in the abstract, I think it's really just a battle between competing sets of standards.
	And the problem is that the right does not want to articulate these standards.
	The left, whatever you want to say about them, they have a vision of what the country should be.
	They want to tear down Washington.
	They want to tear down Jefferson.
	They want to tear down everything.
	And they want to set the whole thing on fire because they believe America is a vicious, evil, racist, bigoted place, and the whole country is centered around slavery, which did not end in 1865, but it's still going on today, they will tell you, right?
	But that's their vision.
	It's bonkers, but that's what they believe.
	What is the right offering in its place?
	I think we're offering a bunch of procedural arguments.
	about academic freedom and free speech in the abstract, but I don't think we have very much to say in practice.
	But it is different to propose alternative values.
	And to be fair to the left, they're tearing down George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, but they are building statues to George Floyd, you know, for his amazing, amazing contributions to our culture.
	But it's one thing to You know, to articulate standards.
	But it's another thing to impose those standards and to cut off any conversation opposed to those standards.
	That's where, I guess, I always worry about this.
	I think it's a delicate conversation because I'm not a free speech absolutist.
	I would happily censor pornography if it were possible.
	I would happily censor foul language in public places so then CNN would then go off the air.
	But still, you know, I think when it comes to ideas, I do feel that conversation has to continue.
	We have to win in the public sphere, you know, in public argument.
	Sure.
	Well, I think we all should agree, at least we agree.
	I actually don't think a lot of the conservatives that we're talking about here would necessarily agree with this, but they should because it's so obvious.
	There is no First Amendment protection for threats Fraud, sedition, obscenity, fighting words.
	There are many exceptions to First Amendment protections for free speech.
	But you say, what about the realm of ideas?
	Well, surely you would agree we should not tolerate critical race theory or radical transgender theory in the classroom, right?
	But the classroom is a really interesting place because it obviously is, you know, if you have public schools, you have to send your kids there.
	You can't always afford to send your kids to private schools.
	So, yes, they should be, the state should be able to control what is taught there.
	When people say, I mean, there was an article, an op-ed in the New York Times today, Saying, no, no, no, it's a terrible, terrible thing to stop free speech in the classroom.
	Well, I don't think a kindergartner needs to go in and hear that his whiteness is a bad thing any more than I would tolerate for three seconds his going and hearing that blackness was a bad thing.
	I mean, I don't understand, I don't understand why, I mean, nobody would complain if you censored white supremacy out of, in the public schools.
	So why would you complain if you, you know, if you censor anti-white bigotry?
	But schools are a particular place.
	They are not television.
	They're not the places where people argue.
	They're not the debating hall.
	That's where I worry.
	Like, who am I going to give that power to, to censor a debate?
	I think that, yes, this is a very good point, and obviously the classrooms, you know, they're government institutions when we're talking about public schools, and parents have the right that they're now asserting at these school board meetings to go in and say, get this nonsense out of my kids' classrooms.
	What about in the public square?
	There have been so many fights over the years, and I chronicle some of them in Speechless, over, say, the Ten Commandments outside of a courthouse or in a public square.
	Is that permissible?
	And the court has ruled that it is permissible, but not for the reason that I think the Founding Fathers would have believed, or the colonists before the Founding Fathers.
	The courts ruled in the 20th century that you can have Some kind of a Christmas display, for instance, a nativity display, because it has a secular aspect to it.
	So not because the baby Jesus is obviously religious, but because it has a secular component to it as well.
	Okay, fine.
	Should we be forced to permit a statue of Baphomet in the public square, some kind of satanic symbol?
	You see radical atheists and radical Satanists have always tried to, I suppose that's a redundant statement, but they have often tried to say, well, If you're going to permit public displays that have anything to do with Christianity, you need to permit a statue of Satan in the public square.
	I think what a lot of those debates come down to is this question of, is secular liberalism a neutral playing ground where we can debate ideas, or do we have to privilege certain ideas?
	You know, John Locke, father of liberalism, in his letter concerning toleration, he says, You can't really tolerate atheism, at least not very much, because then you'll undermine your free speech regime.
	John Milton says you can't really tolerate Catholics.
	And I see why.
	You know, I know so many Catholics.
	They're horrible, horrible folks.
	Horrible people, you know.
	But I do see why.
	He was speaking in a very particular political context in England with these religious wars.
	That there has to be at a basic level something that we are asserting.
	And we just celebrated the 4th of July.
	In America, we assert that our Creator endows us with certain unalienable rights.
	It is a specifically Christian view that we are asserting.
	The country is not a secular neutral playing ground.
	We are saying we believe that.
	And for the past 50 or 60 years, the left has tried to deny that sort of thing.
	But I think it is dishonest to pretend that we don't really have those beliefs.
	Yeah, I mean Antonin Scalia used to say that we're not allowed, the government is not allowed to elevate one religion, but it is allowed to elevate religion over atheism.
	I would go even further than that.
	I would say because of that quote you just mentioned, we know, it's not necessarily Christian, but we know our God has a nature.
	We know the God that is the axiomatic God of America has endowed us with certain rights.
	He's the sort of God who endows his creatures with rights and with freedoms, and not the sort of God who is irresponsible to logic or people, individuals' rights.
	Michael Knowles, the author of Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, Get It Before the New York Times, just absolutely explodes with envy over its bestsellerdom.
	It's always good to see you, Knowles, and I will see you in a couple days in Nashville at The Daily Wire.
	Great to see you, Drew, and a great Seb Gorka impression.
	Clear.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Magnificent!
	It's Andrew Klavan sitting in for Sebastian Gorka on America First.
	Give me a call if you've got questions or if there's something you want to talk about at 833-33-GORKA.
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	I love talking to people because I already know what I think.
	You know, I actually want to hear more about what other people think or what's on their minds and what they'd like to ask about.
	You know, I talked about that poll earlier that says that most people are really proud to be Americans.
	And this is one of the interesting things.
	The Democrats, or at least the left-wing Democrats, the people that are now in charge, because nobody thinks that Joe Biden is in charge.
	I mean, really, nobody thinks.
	They ask him what flavor ice cream he's eating because they think he might be able to answer that question.
	They're not asking him the complicated questions because nobody thinks he's running the country.
	I mean, look at the guy.
	He doesn't even walk like he's in his own body.
	He walks as if somebody's pulling the strings.
	The thing about these guys who are running the country is Biden was put in office because they didn't want the radicals.
	They wouldn't vote for the radicals and they knew it.
	The Democratic Party knew it.
	And so they put Biden in as this kind of mannequin, this sort of ventriloquist dummy through whom the radicals could speak because he's too far gone.
	Really to stop them and really to say to them, you know, this is not what America wants.
	But America doesn't want it.
	86% of adults over the age of 65, basically over 80% of adults say they are proud to be Americans.
	And the only people, the only people who don't show up for that are the kids, young adults, you know, in the, what was it, the 18 to 24, something like that range, who say they're not proud.
	Well, why is that?
	Why aren't we countering that?
	First of all, of course, it's because of the long march through our institutions.
	It's because they own the academies, they own the schools, they own Hollywood.
	Everything these kids see tells them that there is a better way and they have come up with this really clever thing which they call critical theory.
	We know about critical race theory but critical race theory is only one kind of critical theory and what critical theory is, is just that.
	It's criticizing things.
	It's criticizing things without saying.
	Answering the question that every leftist should be asked.
	If we had an honest press, every leftist would be asked the following question.
	As opposed to what?
	America is a racist country.
	As opposed to what?
	America is not a free country.
	As opposed to what?
	They never ask those questions because all they do is criticize anything, of course, can be criticized, but the underlying unspoken assumption is that they have something better, and that something better is socialism.
	And kids love socialism.
	Why?
	Because it just sounds nice.
	It sounds nice.
	This is the thing about capitalism.
	It doesn't sound nice.
	We compete, we're fighting, we're arguing, you know, we have to, you have to come, if you don't do the right thing, you go out of business, and then you have no money, and then, you know, have to go to work, you know, flipping burgers, and oh, how terrible, it's like there are no participation trophies, you know, they're just, it's just win or lose.
	It sounds really cruel.
	And then you say, well, everybody should have money.
	Everybody should have health care.
	Everybody should have this and that.
	And that just sounds good if you're a young person.
	And frankly, youth and ignorance are synonyms.
	It's the same thing.
	You simply don't have time to learn what you have to learn until you get a little bit older.
	But the thing is, conservatives fight this with a stupid argument.
	What they say is, conservatives say, well, socialism doesn't work.
	And that's more or less true.
	But it works well enough.
	I mean, you can have a lot of socialism before it stops working.
	The thing about socialism that we never say is it's inherently immoral.
	And those are the arguments that win.
	The arguments that win are moral arguments.
	That's why the left is so powerful.
	I mean, look at their cities.
	Look at San Francisco.
	Forty percent of people want to leave.
	San Francisco, because it has fallen into disarray.
	It has fallen into chaos because of leftist governance.
	And yet they still are out there pushing their leftism because they do it in a moral way.
	Oh, look at the poor so-and-so.
	Aren't you going to help him?
	But socialism is inherently immoral because it lives in a lie.
	And the lie is that there is such a thing called the state that will act benevolently.
	The state is powerful people.
	And as Lord Acton told us, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
	So what happens is, if you have a form of government like our republic, where power and power centers are limited, and the power, no one body has all the power, the Supreme Court doesn't have it all, the President doesn't have it all, Congress doesn't have it all, the Senate doesn't have it all, it's all distributed and they're all fighting each other to keep them within bounds, and the Constitution keeps them within bounds.
	It creates a fairly decent governing class.
	Until about, I don't know, I'd say 50 years ago, we had a fairly decent governing class because of the rules of the road that the Constitution imposed.
	That created the illusion.
	That creates the illusion that the socialists now live in.
	That the state is basically benevolent.
	It's only there to help.
	Remember Reagan's famous, most frightening words, I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
	And the reason is, is that is an illusion.
	Once you start giving the government more and more and more power, they will become more and more and more corrupt and more and more and more abusive.
	And we saw this during the lockdown.
	We saw it with the antipathy toward religion because that's an opposing value system, an opposing spiritual power that they don't like.
	So they suddenly said, yeah, Walmart's can stay open, but you can't go to church.
	You go to church, you can't sing.
	You can't pray.
	Don't look up because you might be communicating with God.
	That'll get you the flu.
	You'll get the flu and die.
	You know, that's the illusion.
	It's inherently immoral.
	It is inherently oppressive.
	And that's what we have to teach the youth.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Somewhere, somewhere, somewhere.
	So that was Vanessa Williams, the former Miss America, for about 10 seconds during the Reagan administration until they uncovered nude pictures of her doing for about 10 seconds during the Reagan administration until they uncovered nude pictures of her doing and she was thrown out of being Miss America
	But a talented singer and a talented actress, and she was singing Lift Every Voice and Sing, which has come to be known, unfortunately, as the Black National Anthem.
	It was a poem written in 1900 to celebrate Lincoln's birthday, a poem written by a black poet, and it has become known as the Black National Anthem.
	And, you know, this is the year that, as Donald Trump once wanted, but then, of course, it was evil, but now it's OK.
	The Juneteenth became a holiday, and a lot of right-wingers reacted to that, saying Juneteenth shouldn't be a holiday.
	But, of course, you know, that celebrates the end of slavery, and that is a major, major moment in our history, and I have no problem with it being a holiday.
	What galled me About it was first of a couple of things called me about one of the things that called me about it Was that the Democrat Party has been the worst thing that ever happened to black people on this planet?
	I mean they were the slaveholders they were against the first Republican Abraham Lincoln, when they lost the war and didn't want to give up their slaves, they invented Jim Crow, they invented the Ku Klux Klan.
	They are the ones who did all of that and their narrative is, so then everything changed when Richard Nixon came in and he had the Southern strategy and that expelled all the Dixiecrats, you know, that attracted all the Dixiecrats so that they were taken out of the Democrat Party.
	It's a totally untrue philosophy.
	The Republican Party has always been the party of no racism, not anti-racism, which is just racism by another name, but it's been the party of no reason racism so that called me a little bit with the other thing that calls me is it is part of this full court press to deny that the founding was a founding on the idea of liberty and equality of treatment and in fact to say that our real founding was somehow mixed up with was embedded with
	Slavery, which is just untrue.
	I mean, it's untrue.
	You know, the idea that we have racism in our DNA, that the country has racism in our DNA is provably untrue because DNA makes you more of what you are, right?
	If you're an oak tree and you have oak tree DNA, you become more of an oak tree as the years go by.
	And America has clearly become less and less and less racist.
	And now I would say there are no racist institutions.
	There's no institutional racism.
	There's no systemic racism.
	What there is, however, There is a reason why Democrats have a tremendous, tremendous investment in keeping the idea of racism alive.
	And that is the Great Society.
	The Great Society has poured money into the coffers of Democrats and it has used taxpayer dollars to give Democrats a way of buying votes from the black community saying, look what we are giving you.
	But in fact, the spiral downward of those black communities that are dysfunctional began in after the great society came so they were not the result of slavery they were not the result of Jim Crow they were the result of a welfare system that paid women to have children out of wedlock and therefore destroyed many families including black families at the time
	Originally blacks had a out of wedlock birth rate of about 25% now it's 75% which is worse than when the Democrats were actually selling them down the river to break up families on purpose.
	They found a way to just pay them to break up families and it has been an absolute absolute disaster.
	And one of the things that was happening under Donald Trump is that through his actions, through his actions, Donald Trump was turning the narrative around.
	He created an economy where more black people were working than ever before, where the black unemployment rate was lower than ever before.
	And suddenly people were finding out the great truth that working for a living gives you Working for a living gives you meaning.
	Putting your hands, no matter what you do, if it's an honest job.
	I have had so many jobs.
	I've been a warehouse man, a driver.
	I've done all kinds of things in my life.
	I'm a writer.
	I had to do all kinds of things before I made my way.
	And I used to say to myself, even as a kid, anything I put my hands on, I am going to do to the best of my ability and with all the dignity I have.
	That's where the panic came from.
	That is where the panic came from.
	When George Floyd died, that did not look like a good piece of policing to me.
	It didn't look like murder to me either, but it didn't look like a good piece of policing to me.
	Police killing innocent black suspects is statistically almost a non-existent event.
	When you remember that this is a country of 350 million people, when you remember that there are at least 700,000 law enforcement officers in this country.
	That is the number of times that it happens that where it's even a suspicious death, like that death where you thought like, well, that could have been handled a lot better.
	That didn't have to go that way.
	Maybe he did die of fentanyl, but still you should have taken your knee off his back.
	Whatever, whatever you think about that, that never happens.
	It doesn't happen.
	Now look, we can understand that black crime is high.
	You know, 7% of the country, black males commit 50% of the murders just about.
	I mean, that's really the rate.
	So you can understand that a cop sees a black face and he gets suspicious.
	You can understand if you're one of the majority of black people who are innocent just going about your business.
	That doesn't feel so good.
	That feels pretty bad.
	I mean, the cop isn't being racist.
	He's just being a cop.
	He's saying, how can I keep people safe?
	The people he's trying to keep safe have the same color as the bad guy.
	He's just trying to keep people safe.
	But if you're an innocent person and you're being rousted by the police because he gets suspicious of you because you have a black face, you can understand that's going to cause hostility.
	We understand that there's a problem there.
	We understand that there's a problem.
	But it really does go back to the Great Society.
	And that is what nobody wants to talk about.
	They keep saying, oh, we're having a racial reckoning.
	We're having a racial reckoning.
	We are not.
	We are having a moment when blacks were willing to say, you know what?
	We're going to assimilate now.
	You saw it.
	You saw it in plays like Hamilton, where black people were playing the founding fathers.
	That's a way of saying, yes, this is my country.
	This is my history too.
	That when the Democrats saw that, it just sent a fire up them.
	When they realized that blacks were becoming just another assimilating group in America, which is as it should be.
	Each group has to assimilate.
	Each group has its problems.
	Blacks have double problems because the offenses that were done against them happened here, where most of us are coming from countries where they happen.
	So they need a little extra grace.
	We all understand that.
	We all have sympathy for that.
	It has nothing to do with that.
	It has to do with the fact that Democrats will not take their clutches off.
	They will not let them out of their clutches.
	They've got them.
	They've got them dependent on their systems.
	They've got them dependent on their ideas.
	And they will not let them go as black people, more and more black people, make it into society.
	You know, a lot of people say that they're trying to replace white people by opening the borders.
	I don't think so.
	I think they're trying to replace black voters who are going to get wise to the fact that they are not getting anything from the Democrat Party and never have.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	All right, Andrew Klavan here for Sebastian Gorka on America First.
	You know, it's become such a cliche to attack the press, to attack the media.
	That I don't think we understand just what a disaster the media has wrought on this country.
	I sometimes watch people.
	Molly Hemingway.
	I love Molly Hemingway.
	I'm sure most of you have seen Molly on Fox or somewhere.
	She's a terrific commentator and just a really, really bright woman and articulate woman.
	But I watched her because she went through certain stages that I went through.
	I lived out of the country for seven years in the 90s and when I came back I was absolutely shocked at what had happened to the country.
	I was shocked after 9-11, which happened right after I got back from seven years in England, I was shocked to hear comedians like David Letterman saying, why do they hate us?
	And I thought, who cares why they hate us?
	They're fascists.
	They're Nazis.
	They're supposed to hate us.
	Those are the guys you want to have hating you.
	I was shocked to see what had happened.
	And I watched Molly, kind of that developing idea where first you think, wow, the media is really biased.
	And then you think, They're not biased.
	They're like all on one side.
	And then suddenly you go like, oh my lord, they are utterly, utterly corrupt.
	And the effect of that, the effect of that, and it's true not just of the news media, but also of the entertainment media, is incredibly divisive.
	All during, I mean it's still true today, but it was just kind of obvious during the Trump administration.
	Every single comedian, every single comedian on TV was anti-Trump.
	And the one time Jimmy Fallon made a mildly nice remark where he had Trump on and kind of rustled his hair, they browbeat him until he went over and became anti-Trump.
	Now, what's the effect of that?
	You go back into the old, old, old days where you had, even before Jay Leno, you had Johnny Carson.
	And Johnny Carson was a lifelong Democrat, but Johnny Carson would always make jokes about both sides.
	So what happens when you make jokes about both sides?
	You laugh.
	You laugh at both sides.
	You know, if the guy makes a joke about a Democrat, you laugh because you're a Republican.
	And then he makes a joke about a Republican, you say, OK, fair.
	You know, we both have our foibles.
	We both are kind of funny.
	And you laugh.
	But if every single day, if every single day Stephen Colbert comes on and says, Trump, Trump, Trump, evil, evil, evil, those stupid Trump voters, those stupid Trump.
	Half the country is going to be watching him.
	He's going to make his fortune.
	He's going to make his pile.
	But he's told the other half of the country that they don't belong.
	And this is the terrible thing that the press has done.
	The press has basically said to half the country, the half they never meet, the half they don't like, the half they disrespect, the half they don't even know.
	They don't know.
	They don't know you.
	They haven't seen you.
	They never talked to you.
	They never sat down with you.
	They don't know what your life is like.
	They really don't.
	That you are being told that you don't exist and you don't have the right to have an opinion.
	Your opinion is bad.
	You know, if you want to know why Donald Trump, an outlier like Donald Trump, got elected, you know, I used to tell people who hated Trump, I would say, for 60 years, people are told they stink, their country stinks, their religion stinks, their lifestyle stinks, their opinions stink.
	And now Donald Trump finally had the temerity, the courage to stand up and say, oh yeah, you know, Eat this.
	And basically people went, yeah, that's how I feel.
	You know, that's exactly how I feel.
	That's what the media has done to us.
	The media has torn us apart.
	And it is all that.
	It is all that.
	Because when we talk to one another so often, so many times, 70% of us agree on 70% of the issue when we actually are face to face and we're actually listening to what the other one says.
	Most of us love this country.
	Most of us want good for this country.
	And we can disagree and still love one another.
	And we're going to have to learn to do that.
	The media notwithstanding.
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	Let's get back to Andrew Klavan.
	And here I am!
	Here am I, Andrew Klavan, sitting in for Sebastian Gorka on America First.
	You know, I've spent most of my life as a writer, a novelist, a crime novelist, and also a screenwriter, and I was doing quite well in Hollywood when 9-11 happened, but when I was selling a lot of scripts, sometimes several scripts a year, which is a really good living, it's really An excellent situation to be in, a situation that many people would have envied.
	But when the wars on terror began, and Hollywood began making anti-war on terror movies, I thought that was wrong.
	Not because I didn't think they had the right to disagree with war on terror, but I didn't think they should be making propaganda, anti-American propaganda, which is what it was, while our guys were in the field.
	I thought it was harmful when our actual sons and daughters were getting shot at by Islamist terrorists, essentially, to make movies in which American soldiers raped Islamic women and where the CIA tortured people for no reason.
	Just one after another.
	They made like a dozen.
	So I started writing about that and of course that was the end of my career.
	My career dried up almost immediately.
	The point I want to make, and by the way if you want to watch on YouTube and you Google, you search Clavin Hollywood.
	We made a video about that at the Daily Wire.
	I just told the story of my Hollywood career, which is actually pretty interesting.
	And the point I'm making is that the things you see in Hollywood don't happen by accident.
	It's not, Hollywood is not a monolith, but they have enough of a monolithic power where they do not want certain ideas getting into Movies.
	They do not want patriotic movies.
	They do not want movies that uplift freedom, that put freedom first.
	They do not want movies, like in the old days, that sell America.
	They basically want movies that talk about the systemic racism and how terrible it all is.
	And every movie is about a victim instead of a hero.
	This matters.
	It matters a tremendous amount what's going into the heads of children, what's going into the heads of adults.
	And there are very few of us on the right who are talking about it.
	One of the people on the right is Christian Toto.
	And it's so important, not just for the right to make movies and to write novels and to write plays and to write TV shows, it is also important to have an infrastructure of reviews of people who understand what that means, what these movies mean.
	And Christian has a terrific website, if you haven't seen it, I urge you to go to it, called Hollywood in Toto.
	His name is spelled T-O-T-O, Hollywood in Toto, where he actually reviews movies, plays, you know, fiction, from the point of view of a patriot, instead of someone who hates America.
	Christian, are you there?
	I'm here.
	Thanks for the introduction.
	I appreciate it.
	You know, I have to tell you, Christian, that one of the funny things that has happened to me is that now that wokeness has taken over Hollywood, white guys my age can't get hired.
	But because of my point of view, I am getting hired by all the right-wingers who are trying to make movies.
	So I'm working more now than I've ever worked in my life, which is kind of ironic.
	Is there hope for us to move this culture or are conservatives just too philistine, too busy paying attention to politics to pay attention to Hollywood?
	Well, I think people on the right are waking up to what you've been talking about for years, and that's a good sign.
	That's encouraging.
	But I don't think we're quite there yet.
	And a couple ways.
	One, you know, to make the kinds of stories that you're talking about requires time, money, infrastructure.
	Of course, the Daily Wire is engaging in its exact battle, and it's a wonderful thing.
	But, you know, it doesn't happen overnight.
	What I find more Upsetting is that when a rare right-of-center product comes along, and often we know about it.
	Take a movie like No Safe Spaces, a terrific film from late 2019.
	That movie should be a documentary blockbuster.
	Now, it did fairly well by documentary standards, maybe 1 point something million.
	That's fine.
	But if people on the right don't come out en masse and support these projects, like Richard Jewell, the movie from Clint Eastwood, Gosnell, which was very good, again, did well by its standards, but we need to kind of rush out And show the marketplace that we're here, we're ready to put our money where our mouths are, and we need to support this kind of work in a dramatic way.
	Much like the Passion of Christ, which is a blockbuster.
	We need that.
	And until we get those signs, I worry about where we are as a culture.
	We're climbing uphill so much.
	The Passion of Christ was a huge blockbuster, and almost every studio
	instituted a religious arm after that came out and then they made movies in which Noah, you know, the flood was caused by global warming or Moses where they said well Moses was kind of a terrorist leader and so the Christians didn't show up, you know, the faithful didn't show up for those movies because they were insulted and offended as well they should be and then they said well Bible movies don't make money but of course they make money if you believe in the Bible when you make it and it's just amazing to me that right-wingers
	I remember the film 300, which is virtually right-wing porn.
	I saw that twice in one week, which I've almost never done.
	But right-wingers were saying, well, you know, all those Greeks, they weren't wearing shirts.
	It was kind of homoerotic.
	I thought they were Greeks, for crying out loud!
	That's the way they roll.
	Where's the left?
	The left is actually working it.
	I mean, there was a study recently, an article recently, showing that all of the increase of LGBTQ characters, gay and transgender characters, and themes popping up in TV shows made for children is not an organic development.
	It's the consequence of so-called queer creators pushing the gay agenda.
	Do you believe that, to begin with?
	Yeah, I mean, what people in Hollywood are realizing is that they need or they have a desire to push narratives, to insert propaganda into their stories in a way that I don't think was happening before.
	There have always been political films, there have always been films with Subtext and interesting themes whether you agree with them or not.
	It's often kind of put into stories in a more subtle way.
	The subtlety is often gone.
	It is very in your face.
	It could be watching a cop procedural where there's an overt pro BLM narrative or lecture or both.
	Or it's watching Blue's Clues and talking about trans rights issues.
	I'm an adult, so I can watch Law and Order Part 28 and say, okay, I'm not going to watch it, or I am going to watch it, I agree with this theme, I don't.
	But when the kids get invited into this conversation, and they're not aware of it, and the parents probably aren't aware of it either, they think, oh gosh, it's Blue's Clues.
	I can go do the dishes while my son or daughter is watching the show, That's when it gets really murky, I have to say.
	I think so too, you know, and it is nothing about being, you know, against gay people or anything like that, but I think the children have a right to sort of entertainment free of preachments, on top of which, after a while, it starts to get on your nerves.
	You know, I never cared all my life.
	I have watched movies about all kinds of people, all colors of people, and I'd never even thought about it.
	I just thought, these are American stories.
	I want to hear these stories.
	I love America.
	I love the American people of all colors and all races, and I want to hear all of it.
	But now I turn on Netflix and it says, oh, the BLM collection, and it'll be like, you know, a Denzel Washington picture.
	There's nothing BLM about it, but it makes you feel like, I don't want to watch that.
	I don't want to watch a Marxist, you know, something named after a Marxist terrorist group.
	It has the opposite effect, I think.
	A quick note on all those different programming dials.
	Hulu has it, Amazon has it, Netflix has it.
	But what they don't have are created equal, Clarence Thomas in his own words, Uncle Tom, a great documentary about black conservatives.
	Whenever I check those different platforms, those kinds of movies that have a right of center message, are not there.
	So it isn't just elevating black voices, which is perfectly fine.
	It's elevating left of center black voices that we approve of and we disapprove of black voices where they're talking about conservative values.
	So it's a very, I mean, it's insidious is the wrong word, perhaps, but it's not accidental and you can see it a mile away.
	And this is that they're pushing narratives.
	It's across the board.
	You know, you wrote an article about political awards, awards going to people for politics, and one of the things the Right frequently does not understand is that artists, you know, obviously we work for money, we have to make a living, but artists are the kind of people who work for love.
	They want people to love their work.
	And if there's nobody there to love it, even if you make money, but you don't win any awards, you don't win any praise, there's no good reviews, writers won't show up.
	Yeah, and that's a problem.
	You know, I wrote a piece recently about the Forever Purge, the fifth movie in that particular franchise, and one thing to note is the whole franchise is left-leaning, and that's being delicate.
	But when you read the reviews, and I read dozens of reviews of this particular movie, which is about pro-immigration, it's, you know, it's all the usual tropes you expect.
	There wasn't one critic, and these are mainstream sources, who acknowledged that they were left of center, or even suggested maybe these So it was just assumed that if you make a movie with left-of-center themes, and the movie was bad, it's not because of that.
	It's other reasons.
	Maybe the story doesn't work, it's too heavy-handed.
	But, you know, film critics are supposed to review for everyone, not just people on the left.
	But so often, the folks in my industry, film critics, they don't see it that way.
	They have an agenda as well.
	And you mentioned how, you know, if you're a filmmaker, you make a right-of-center film, you are almost guaranteed to get negative reviews.
	How much fun is that?
	It sounds horrible to work, you know, for a year on a project, and then know you're going to be slammed by the critics because they disagree with your political philosophy, no matter how good your film is.
	It's so true.
	We were talking to Christian Toto.
	His website, which you really should check out, is called Hollywood and Toto.
	Christian, don't go away.
	I'd like to keep you for one more segment, if I can.
	You know, if you go on Rotten Tomatoes, where they tell you the critics' ratings and they tell you the people's ratings, and you're looking at a religious movie, Almost every time.
	The critics will give it 0 to 20 percent, and the people will give it 90 percent.
	You think, well, who are the critics writing for then?
	Well, they're writing for their pals, they're writing for praise of their fellow leftist friends, but not for the people.
	Not to tell you what movie you're going to enjoy.
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	Yes, we are, and this is Andrew Klavan sitting in for Sebastian Gorka on America First.
	If you would like to be part of the show, give us a call at 833-33-GORKA.
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	We are talking to Christian Toto, one of the very few people on the right who understands how important the entertainment culture is to the mood and the ideas of the country, to the things that we talk about, to the way we approach things.
	His website is called Hollywood in Toto.
	Christian, it feels to me, I just moved out of Hollywood.
	I just left LA because I couldn't stand it anymore.
	And it feels to me like this, that things have gotten worse, not better.
	Now, that sometimes is a sign of the end of a movement, but it feels like things are more locked down ideologically in the entertainment business than they were, say, two years ago.
	What do you think?
	Yeah, I agree.
	The speed at which things are happening in our culture, it kind of takes my breath away at times.
	You know, when we saw in earlier weeks where parlor went down, where people were, you know, you couldn't say certain opinions about COVID, about possible treatments.
	I just have to say I was more depressed than I've ever been as an American.
	And I think from a cultural point of view, It's just ridiculous what's going on, where the new rules say you can only do this or that, you can't have characters who are espousing these views.
	These are the pre-approved storylines.
	I mean, look at the Oscars.
	The Best Picture winner now is going to have to check boxes, whether it's behind the scenes, they have a crush of diverse talent, whether the stories talk about underrepresented groups, The minute you sort of put a qualifier on the best picture, the award means less than it once did.
	It's really true.
	You know, Ben Shapiro, our pal, has a theory that whenever they put a conservative voice on TV, like in Parks and Rec had a conservative guy on it, and 30 Rock had the Alec Baldwin character.
	That he becomes the most popular character.
	He's the character that everybody loves, so they then have to destroy him.
	They then have to make him either evil or make him less conservative.
	Could those characters even exist today?
	I don't know.
	And by the way, Alex P. Keaton falls into that category.
	When they created Family Ties in the 80s, he wasn't meant to be front and center.
	It just so happened that Michael J. Fox was very charming, and the character was irrepressible, and he became the star.
	I don't know.
	You know, Steve Carell has even said in recent years that his boss character on The Office may not be, they may not kind of create that kind of character today.
	That's not a show that's 20 years old or 10 years old.
	It was on the air up until recently.
	So you mentioned how fast the culture is going.
	And also, why isn't Steve Carell saying, this is a bad thing?
	That was a good show.
	I'm proud of my work.
	and it's a real part of cultural decline that you can't make a character like that.
	He says the first part, but he never follows up with the second part, which is far more important. - You know, that's a really interesting point, Recently, Quentin Tarantino gave an interview where he said ideology seems to be trumping art.
	It seems to be trumping quality.
	And, you know, he's one of the few people who can say things like that.
	I mean, J.K.
	Rowling, the author of the Harry Potter series, has made the mildest statements about the fact that trans women are not women.
	They're just not.
	It's just not a factual thing.
	And they've done everything they can to cancel her.
	Do you have hope?
	I mean, where are you on this right now?
	Do you feel like there is some opening here for the right to make an entertainment comeback?
	Yeah, I think the first thing that we need to see is a right-of-center, absolutely politically incorrect comedy.
	something that maybe even bubbles up on YouTube or some sort of common platform that is so funny and so outrageous and so clever that it blows past every sort of cultural guard and just shakes everyone.
	I think we're hungry for that.
	You know, I see a lot of comedians on YouTube by J.P. Sears, Ryan Long.
	Their work gets a lot of attention because they're genuinely funny, and they're trafficking in arenas where no one else will go.
	It's what a Babylon Bee, which is very funny, by the way.
	Yeah, I love the Babylon Bee.
	It's why they kind of stand out because they're doing all the jokes that Stephen Colbert should be doing if he was an honest comedian.
	He's a dishonest comedian.
	He's a propagandist now.
	He's not interested in jokes.
	But if you look at the landscape, there are jokes to be had on the left, in the middle, and the right.
	And these sources like Babylon Bee are saying, okay, we'll do it.
	And by the way, Facebook is trying to kind of cancel them.
	Other big tech platforms are giving them fits.
	They don't want these jokes out there.
	It's truly amazing.
	It's true.
	Well, of course, like all dictatorial people, they don't hate humor.
	They hate music.
	You know, they hate anything that is going to get into the hearts of people and touch that yearning for freedom, that sense of fairness that they just hate.
	You know, people don't understand.
	They really do not understand how pervasive it is and how intentional it is.
	One of the things That I have to say galled me during the Trump era.
	I mean, there was so much to be galled by with all the lies they told about Trump and all the attacks.
	But Trump was up for it.
	You know, he was kind of goading them.
	And it was like a fight almost in some ways between, you know, Godzilla and King Kong.
	But the one thing that really got me was the treatment of Melania.
	I mean, recently Vogue, I think it was, had Jill Biden on the cover with the headline of First Lady for all the people.
	And I thought, the hell you say?
	You know, we just had one of the most beautiful first ladies we've ever had.
	accomplished, spoke all those different languages, was wonderful in a room with children, and not one magazine cover.
	I couldn't, I felt like, how incredibly petty, you know, because the first lady has always been a place where we could agree.
	She didn't run for anything.
	She's not taking sides.
	You know, we could all sort of say, oh, all right, so she's kind of representing all the people, even though the president may be partisan.
	But the treatment of Melania was just insane.
	I don't understand.
	I do not understand.
	And maybe you can give me some insight on this.
	Why the right doesn't get more incensed?
	Why they don't, say, want to strike back?
	Well, you strike back by creating a women's magazine that caters to a center-right audience.
	And you'd think, given the Fox News model, that that is a missed opportunity and or money on the proverbial table.
	But it doesn't feel like it's happening.
	Yeah, it's absurd.
	And by the way, Jimmy Kimmel, with the help of Borat himself, It's not about being kind to each other.
	It's not about creating a better world.
	It's about power and bullying, period.
	did the same.
	So these comedians who wouldn't go near, you know, Dr. Jill Biden will do whatever they want with people on the right.
	And that's one of the things I always want to say about cancel culture.
	It's not about being kind to each other.
	It's not about creating a better world.
	It's about power and bullying, period.
	That's it.
	I think that that is true, but it is certainly about.
	It's certainly about power and bullying in one direction.
	I mean, it's only silencing the right.
	Christian Toto, his site is Hollywood in Toto.
	You know, it is such a relief when you go there to see the culture observed by somebody who knows the culture, one.
	and isn't just thumping his fist on his palm saying, I hate everybody, but is actually showing you what's going on.
	But it's just a terrific site, a site where you can engage with the culture, engage with the media, and not feel that you're being chased out of town on a rail.
	Christian Toto, thank you for coming on.
	I appreciate it.
	My pleasure.
	You know, this is something, I guess, I've almost lost hope in a way because I've been pounding this drum for so long at the Daily Wire conference, We're trying to get into the culture, trying to make some TV content, some entertainment content.
	I know other people who are at work on it and people calling me about it.
	But one of the things they often say to me is, I want to do it under the radar.
	And I keep telling them, the radar goes all the way down to the ground.
	There is no under the radar if they even smell.
	One thing that in anything you write that is pro-freedom, that is pro-America, that is pro the values, again it's about anti the founding and pro the founding, that is pro the founding, they will shut you down and they will make sure you know how you've been shut down.
	You've got to have guts.
	That's the first thing, that's the first virtue, is always courage.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
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	America first with Sebastian Gorka.
	Without Sebastian Gorka, but with Andrew Klavan sitting in.
	If you want to be part of the show, call 833-33-GORKA.
	That's 833-334-6752.
	We have Ray on the line.
	That's 833-334-6752.
	We have Ray on the line.
	Ray, are you there?
	Master of the multiverse, I've heard, is your name, sir.
	It is.
	That is on my business cards.
	I'll just say that you've taken over the sexy bald man position that Telly Savalas and Yul Brynner once held.
	Congratulations.
	That is the highest compliment you could possibly bear me.
	Thank you.
	Other than I'm looking forward to losing all my hair so I could look more like you.
	That said, My wife wants a lot of TV and movies, and she invites me in.
	She's always trying to find shows for us to watch together.
	And I tell her, the first mention of Carbon Footprint, women not making as much as men, Christians are the reason everything has gone bad.
	I said, I'm out of here.
	And it's relegated me to having no TV shows and no movies to watch.
	So it's amazing.
	I know.
	Yeah.
	And it's not just that, you know, Christians are wrong, they're actually evil, and they mock and maim the things that I hold sacred.
	And so I just feel I shouldn't spend a dime there, and I'm not calling for boycotts, but I personally boycott all these products, and I've actually discovered many more hours in my day that didn't exist before.
	Now, that said, your guest was talking about competitive, conservative platforms, but they just seem to kind of spring up and die.
	and don't have the strength of what the left is doing, do you really think there's any hope at all?
	Or is there a way to push back?
	I know we have to fight on this battlefront, the culture battlefront that Andrew Klavan so greatly pointed out to the right, but it just, I don't know.
	It just seems like we're not making any ground.
	Let me ask you something first.
	I don't know if you were listening to Christian Toto in the last segment, but one of the things he talked about was the fact that the right doesn't show up when we do work.
	I did a thing that Sebastian Gorka was a big fan of, Another Kingdom, which was a three-season podcast.
	We did it over the course of three years and I brought it out as three novels.
	It's still available as an audiobook.
	It got a good strong audience.
	It did.
	It did quite well for what it was, but it didn't bring the massive rush that it would have gotten had it also had the support of the left.
	Do you feel that when you opt out, you are also abandoning the fight?
	I mean, this is the question.
	I totally understand what you're saying, and I completely agree that you shouldn't watch stuff that's punching you in the face all the time.
	Why would you?
	But is there some way that you could show up for the kind of art that conservatives do, in fact, produce?
	Well, let me tell you this.
	I did show up for that.
	I downloaded all of the episodes and I enjoyed it greatly.
	I'd never do that sort of reading, that genre, so to speak.
	And I found it very entertaining what you did with Another Kingdom.
	And so thank you for doing that.
	And I did purchase Uncle Tom and No Safe Spaces.
	And I buy these movies, these conservative movies, so I can screen them at my house with, hopefully, others who aren't on the same thought line as I am.
	But again, we're in a room where you and I and Dr. Gorka are all discussing this and it just doesn't seem to expand out past that.
	I think I just said the same thing you said.
	Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying.
	Well, thank you for calling, Ray, to answer your question, whether there's hope.
	Yes, there is, but the word, the ugly C word, courage, is going to be involved, because we not only have to say what we have to say, we have to completely invert the narrative.
	We don't think, it's obviously, I hope we all feel that our fellow Americans who are black are part of the country and should be involved in the country to the best of their abilities and the best of our abilities to include them and we should all be this multi-ethnic country that all live under the same principles of freedom.
	That's one thing.
	But to say, oh, when a cop, you know, kills a George Floyd, he's a murderer, and George Floyd then becomes a hero, we have to say the opposite of that.
	We actually have to say the opposite of that.
	And when you do that, you are going to be cancelled.
	You are going to be called a racist, which is the ugliest thing you can be called in this country.
	So we have to be ready.
	We have to be ready for the cancel culture.
	We have to be ready with other platforms.
	We have to be ready with other payment systems.
	We have to be ready to stand up and say, hey, you know what?
	I am not a racist.
	I am a Christian man.
	Racism is against my religion.
	You are made in the image of God, whatever color you are.
	That is what I, that is truly what I, it's actually what I believe.
	That is actually how I live and what I believe.
	But you're wrong.
	You guys are wrong, and we have to write stories that actually say that.
	And if we do that, and this is a big if, because I have to tell you, when you get into the halls of power and you get into the halls of money, no matter how much people bloviate in front of cameras and in front of microphones, suddenly people are afraid to lose those dollars, they're afraid to lose that audience, they're afraid to be called racist.
	We are going to need the courage to fight back.
	If we have the courage, and in the past America has always shown up with the courage, then we win.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	A America first!
	Magnificent!
	You know, this is Andrew Klavan sitting in for Sebastian Gorka on America First, and you know, we're talking a lot about movies and the culture, and you can tell a lot about what's happening to the country if you watch the culture.
	If you get past the propaganda, see, that's the thing.
	The propaganda is in some ways obscures what's really happening.
	Not that long ago, I'm guessing somewhere 2017, maybe 2019, there was a really good little horror film that came out called Get Out by Jordan Peele.
	Jordan Peele was part of the comedy team of Key and Peele.
	If you've never seen their sketches, that was some of the best sketch comedy that's come along.
	It made Saturday Night Live look like the dead zone it is.
	They were really funny.
	But Jordan Peele turned out to be quite a good writer and director.
	And he made this movie Get Out, which is about an interracial couple that goes home to meet her, the white girl's parents.
	And the black guy finds himself in this very mysterious, very ghostly situation where there are a lot of black guys operating in a very strange way.
	And one of them that he meets at a party, for instance, is acting like an old wasp.
	He's acting like an old white guy.
	And suddenly, during this scene, the hero takes a picture of him in the Although, I find it difficult to go into detail as I haven't had much desire to leave the house in a while.
	We've become such homebodies.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	But even when you go into the city, I've just had no interest.
	The chores have become my sanctuary.
	Get out.
	Sorry, man.
	Okay.
	Get out!
	Yo!
	Get out!
	Yo!
	Chill, man!
	Chill!
	Chill, man!
	So what it is, is he's a black man with a white man inside him and a black man trapped inside the white man who's trapped inside the black man.
	And it's actually quite a funny, scary film.
	But the underlying message of the film is again a message of assimilation.
	Every group that assimilates and every group has had to assimilate into America has the fear that if they assimilate they will lose their soul.
	So if you're, you know, I'm a Jewish guy who became a Christian and when I Realized that I believed in Christ.
	I had to think to myself, oh, wait a minute.
	Is this real?
	Or am I just assimilating into the culture?
	Am I just being, you know, devoured by the culture?
	I really had to struggle with that for months.
	I wrote an entire memoir about it called, The Great Good Thing, where I talked about that struggle.
	And I think this is true of every culture.
	I mean, so many great American films and great American works of art.
	The Godfather is another one.
	It's about assimilation.
	It's about the problem of assimilation.
	It's about failing to assimilate.
	And you could see, you could see that even before Trump came along and made the job market so much better, even before that, black people were starting to say, oh, wait a minute, now we have finally, without the bars have been taken off, all the Democrats and their stupid Jim Crow laws have gotten out of the way, we can become full Americans.
	And again, again, I think we can all understand that it's a little more difficult for a black guy to forgive the wrongs of the past because they happened here on this ground Whereas the things that happened to the Jews, the reason the Jews escaped here, the reason the Irish escaped here, the reason the Italians escaped here, because things were happening back in their country.
	So they got away from those things.
	So it takes an extra measure of grace.
	But it was beginning to happen.
	And that's why, and that is why, the panic started on the left.
	And that is why they seized on the George Floyd death to cause this absolute hysteria about something that's actually not happening.
	In America today, the killing of innocent black people by the police is just not, statistically it's not happening.
	So this critical race theory It's fascinating.
	It's fascinating to watch it.
	If you don't know about it, it's really worth reading up about.
	It's really just socialism in the guise of this idea that everything is about race.
	Every single thing is about race.
	And white people, you know, it's confusing because they say, well, whiteness is a construct.
	But if you're white, you are inherently an oppressor.
	You are inherently an oppressor.
	And they're trying to teach this to little children.
	And there has been this backlash.
	And one of the great things that has happened in this country, one of the few good outcomes from the pandemic is that parents were home.
	Parents were home and they saw their kids on Zoom being taught this garbage and they started to pay attention and they started to show up and you had moments like this where this father this is a black guy who shows up to at a school board meeting this is happening all across the country and says no you must not teach this to my child this is a cut six.
	Critical race theory is teaching that white people are bad.
	That's not true.
	That would teach my daughter that her mother is evil.
	You already have an educator within your staff that has pulled my daughter aside and said, well, you're a minority, so you know better than to engage in certain things.
	When I was brought to the school's detention, nothing happened to the educator.
	Instead, my daughter was brought in.
	And she was ridiculed.
	So my question is now, with Critical Race Theory being brought in, what is your criteria to educate the educators?
	And who are you to educate my children, or any of our children, in life issues?
	That's our job.
	Your job is to teach them math and science.
	Our job is to teach them about life.
	This is the left's worst nightmare.
	You know, so now certain states, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Iowa, Idaho, and Texas have passed legislation putting restrictions on the teaching of this.
	So the union, the Teachers Union, which is a far, far left organization and also a backbone of the Democrat Party, they are basically in debt to this organization.
	I'm talking in this case about the National Education Association, the NEA, They have just said, they have put out a declaration that they are going to teach critical race theory in every single state.
	They are going to break the law, they're going to oppose this law, and they're going to oppose parents who do not want this.
	Parents of all colors do not want this.
	Who wants to send your kid to school and have them learn racism?
	And this is what's so stupid about that article in the New York Times, the op-ed in the New York Times by David French and other people, liberals and conservatives, saying, no, no, no, you must not outlaw this.
	But if it were the other way around, if they were teaching white supremacy, if they were teaching anti-black bigotry, everybody would be saying, hey, dude, not in my school.
	We would all be saying it.
	We should be saying it now.
	You know, the devil does not care who does the hating as long as the hating gets done.
	This is what we have to understand.
	You cannot, first, you can't fix the past, but you certainly can never fix bigotry and hatred by having bigotry and hatred on the Again, the devil does not care.
	He do not, he do not care who hates whom as long as we're hating each other.
	And the left doesn't care either.
	By the way, they don't care whether blacks hate us or whether we have white people or and white people have a reaction and hate blacks.
	That's all fine as long as we're fighting with each other and not paying attention to their power grab and their attempt to destroy the United States.
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	We are back with America First with Sebastian Gorka.
	Without Sebastian Gorka, it's Andrew Klavan filling in for him.
	You know, one of the funny things about having lived my life as a writer, writing is a very isolated profession, and you like that.
	You know, people who are writers have the personality where they want to be locked in a room, and then every now and again, like, you know, hurling meat in a cage, you kind of open the door and you throw your script out the door and hope somebody will read it.
	But you actually don't want anybody to know who you are.
	You actually want just to To have them engage with your work.
	And as a result of that, I think it was Richard Burton, the actor, once said he always envied writers because they still got good tables and restaurants, but nobody knew who they were, so nobody approached them.
	But I never expected to be in the public eye as myself, as an actual person, as has happened to me at this point in life.
	And because of that, I never remember to plug myself.
	I never remember to promote myself.
	In fact, the head of the Daily Wire, Jeremy Boring, we call him the God King of the Daily Wire, He once got so annoyed with me.
	He said there are many kinds of intelligence.
	He said your self-promotion intelligence is zero and that is probably true.
	So I've gone for three hours on this show and have not told you where to find me.
	Where you find me is at the Daily Wire every Friday.
	I have a podcast.
	I wish you would just try it out because I think if you try it out you will like it.
	I am very proud of this podcast.
	It is this thing.
	I've worked very hard to make into what it is.
	It is usually among the top 50 podcasts in the country and if you take a listen, if you find it on Apple Podcasts, Subscribe to it and give it five stars and that helps me to go back to Jeremy and say, look, look, I actually promoted myself.
	See, I did.
	Because again, you know, this has been one of the most interesting periods of my life.
	I'm so grateful for it, but it has been one of the most productive periods of my life.
	I have a book coming out in October, A Christmas Mystery.
	I'm mostly a crime writer.
	I have A Christmas Mystery coming out called When Christmas Comes.
	It's got a very good pre-publication review in Kirkus.
	If you look in online on Amazon you can pre-order that I'm writing scripts for various people who are trying so hard to take back the culture and you know we don't mean to do this obviously we all want our stuff to succeed and as I say writers artists we work for love a lot of the times you know believe me if I wanted to go If I wanted to work for money, I'd have gotten a law degree like my mom wanted, but I became a writer.
	You want people to love the things you do, and so we need you to show up.
	We need you to care.
	It's not by propaganda that we win.
	It is not by propaganda.
	The arts can only be taken back by people who love the arts, by people who love stories, Who love beauty, who love excitement and interest, and to see the human condition in the way that only an artist can show it to you.
	And that is what some of us, a lot of us actually, on the right are trying to do, and we're doing it against all odds.
	Believe me, you have no idea, you have no idea the cancel culture that has come down on us.
	So please come over and check out the Andrew Klavan show at The Daily Wire, and I would love to see you there.
	And I will be back here filling in for Sebastian, I believe, on Monday.
	This has been a tremendous experience.
	It went by so quick.
	Boy, I tell you, when I sat down, I thought, how am I going to get through three hours?
	But it just zipped by.
	I will look forward to talking to you all again on Monday and on Friday.
	My podcast, The Andrew Klavan Show, will be on The Daily Wire.
	It is a great country still.

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