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June 28, 2021 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: President Trump's rallies are back

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	- Who needs monologues?
	We don't need no monologues when we have guests the likes of which we have today.
	God bless all of you.
	Greetings, I'm Sebastian Gawker, host of America First.
	We are broadcasting out to three million listeners across the nation, plus our video streaming on Rumble on Facebook, and we're going to open this show today.
	With probably the greatest mayor, the greatest nation in the world has ever known.
	He is the author of Leadership.
	He is the host of the Common Sense Podcast.
	And we just know him as America's Mayor.
	Mayor Rudy Giuliani, welcome to America First!
	Thank you for having me, Sebastian.
	It's a great pleasure always to be with you.
	So we are so excited to talk to you to get the actual truth, not the fake news, not the spin, not the propaganda.
	I have in my hand a scurrilous document, a document that should be used to start fires, and it is the matter of Rudolf W. Giuliani.
	versus the Attorney Grievance Committee for the First Judicial Department of the Supreme Court of the State of New York.
	Could you tell us what the swamp dwellers have dreamt up now and are trying to do to you and where this matter stands?
	Well, I guess there are two parts to it.
	First of all, they're suspending me, not disbarring me.
	They're suspending me from the practice of law now because I'm a grave danger to the Republic.
	Those are the words.
	I'm a grave danger to the Republic.
	Because I have said on a number of occasions that there was fraud in the election.
	And then they're saying that when I said it, I wasn't telling the truth.
	Now, in my papers, I present to them all kinds of affidavits showing that I'm telling the truth.
	They don't mention that in their opinion.
	Pretend as if I didn't offer the affidavits and just very dishonestly go on to say, well, he said these things, but he never showed us the affidavits.
	If you read my papers, you'll see I have 300 and something affidavits.
	I told them I would produce any affidavit they wanted.
	They never asked for one.
	And they just concluded that I wasn't telling the truth.
	I can demonstrate.
	With affidavits, the truthfulness of everything I said.
	But even beyond that, even if what I said wasn't true, they have to show that I was a danger to the public.
	Everything they're talking about came after January 6th.
	So it's not about January 6th.
	I'd like to know what happened after January 6th that was so dangerous.
	If I did say all these things about Michigan and about Arizona, And about Georgia and about Philadelphia where there was specific fraud.
	It didn't lead to anything.
	No one had a riot.
	No one had a protest.
	No one shot anybody.
	So where's the danger?
	The danger that they can't even they can't even come up with a danger.
	They say the danger is that people will believe that Biden was illegitimate.
	Well, I'm entitled to have that opinion.
	I mean, people had the opinion that that President Trump was illegitimate.
	People in Georgia think that the governor of Georgia is illegitimate.
	Stacey Abrams goes around saying she was elected the governor.
	No one's disbarred her.
	So this is selective.
	There's five Democratic judges appointed by Democratic district leaders who, if they wrote an opinion favorable to me or Donald Trump, would be finished in Andrew Cuomo's new office.
	Mayor Giuliani, you, in addition to being the Mayor of New York, you were the U.S.
	Associate Attorney General, the U.S.
	Attorney for the Southern District of New York, so I'm just a lowly radio host.
	I'm not a lawyer.
	You are the true expert.
	But let me ask the layman's questions.
	For this to have any merit, for this case brought against you, the suspension, number one, there would have had to have been no fraud in the last election.
	And I think it's pretty clear that every election, I mean, as long as Philadelphia is in America, we're going to have issues.
	As long as, you know, Chicago is the US city, there will be issues with any election.
	And on top of that, the idea that you made statements that were dangerous, Would there not be a requirement to demonstrate a cause and effect that you actually incited violence and that after you said something there was violence?
	Am I asking dumb questions, Mr. Mayor?
	No, you're asking the questions that honest judges would have asked.
	There's no demonstration of anything happening as a result of my words.
	You know, originally they started off with, oh, I may have caused January 6th.
	Because before President Trump spoke, I spoke and I said we should have trial by combat.
	But if you go read what I said and you put it in immediate context, I was talking about a contest between two machines.
	I was saying let's put the two machines right next to each other and see which one turns out to be accurate.
	I wasn't talking about combat between human beings.
	So they had to abandon that.
	So they couldn't pin January 6th on me.
	Now they take all these statements I made afterwards.
	Which there are about six or seven.
	And they just wisely say without any, this is a danger to the Republic.
	But then they don't explain how.
	Nobody got a bad even tweet over.
	No firecracker was even shot off.
	So it is absurd on the face of it.
	So let me ask you, as the man who put five mafia dons behind bars, as the man who took on terrorism after 9-11, standing on the rubble of New York, as the man who cleared up crime in general after the disasters of Dinkins and everybody else, They will not take you down.
	I know that.
	They cannot stop you.
	You are a force of nature.
	So what is this really about?
	What do you think is the real motivation, and who are they really targeting, Mr. Mayor?
	Well, they're trying to shut up Donald Trump, me, and maybe four or five others.
	Look, I think they know what they have in store for them.
	I think they know, maybe even better than I do, just how bad the Arizona audit and the Georgia audit will be.
	They're gonna fight to the death not to do it in Pennsylvania, because by my calculation, they did by far the most cheating in Philadelphia.
	But Arizona and Georgia are well on, Arizona's finished and Georgia's well on its way, and the court has been very courageous there.
	I mean, do you know that Democrats have never turned over anything for us to look at, ever?
	Incredible.
	You want the best evidence that it was a crooked election?
	They refused to turn over proof That it was a fair election.
	They won't turn over the voter list.
	So, for example, when I give numbers of the number of dead people who voted, they come from experts who give estimates.
	So the court doesn't bother to describe that and they make it sound like I'm giving three or four different numbers.
	Well, of course, I'm giving three or four different numbers.
	I'm giving three or four different numbers from three or four experts.
	But in Arizona and in Georgia, The election board will not give us the names of the people who voted.
	Now, why would you be afraid of giving me the names of the people who voted?
	Because maybe I'll find out they're illegal immigrants.
	Maybe I'll find out they're dead.
	Maybe I'll find out they moved to Alaska.
	And nowadays, what's accurate, I can find that out in about two days and blow them out of the water.
	So they've been fighting for eight months.
	So we've asked to examine the machines.
	They've refused to let us examine any machine.
	It won't allow us to examine the paper ballots because they know we have a process in which we can distinguish the legitimate ballot from a piece of paper that was just made up.
	Now, if this were the perfect election that the phony AG in Georgia talks about, They'd have turned it over immediately, Sebastian.
	I'm turning over my affidavits.
	I'm not hiding them.
	You can come to my apartment and look at all my affidavits.
	I couldn't get judges to take a witness.
	No judge in America, including not just my case, but the 40 other cases, It's like a conspiracy!
	It really goes to the title of your podcast, which is Common Sense.
	All of this is antithetical to common sense.
	It beggars the belief.
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	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
	God bless you, Mr. Mayor.
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	I don't know.
	I know Sebastian well.
	Listen to him.
	He's with us.
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	It is a beautiful time to be an American.
	Why?
	Because America is waking up and we have new leaders in our nation who are fighting the good fight against the dictatorial quote-unquote elite.
	One of them, well, is truly quite remarkable.
	Play guts.
	I'm a Fairfax County public school teacher and I'm going to give a message of encouragement to parents and teachers and students who are too afraid to come and speak forward.
	Parents, the longer that you wait and you don't hold your child's schools accountable gives these guys more time to dictate what's best for your child's physical, mental, and emotional health.
	Don't be afraid to speak out for your kids because they are voiceless and they rely on you.
	You should be afraid of them rooting for socialism by the time they get to middle school.
	Teachers, it may seem that our careers have come to a dead end, but I'm here to remind you we don't work for the school board.
	We work to mold the next generation of well-rounded American patriots.
	So don't give up, because it is up to us.
	Students, you are on the front lines of these indoctrination camps.
	Challenge the staff when you are presented with a ludicrous statement, and do not allow anybody to tell you that you cannot accomplish anything because of your skin color, or to hate yourself because of your skin color.
	Students, it is up to you to be the next generation of victims or victors.
	And finally, to the board, this isn't over, and your policies are just as pathetic as making us work faster.
	Nick Gossard, followed by Ryan.
	No, we do not have technical difficulties.
	The communist shut her microphone up.
	Why?
	Well, because she's telling the truth.
	And she's with us in studio!
	I cajoled her, I begged her, and she's with us.
	Lilit Vernetsia, and welcome to America First.
	Thank you, Mr. Gorka.
	So you did an incredible job, because what, they gave you what, a minute to talk, maybe?
	Yep, 60 seconds.
	And maybe it's because you are a teacher, but you hit so many Absolutely essential points.
	You targeted the teachers, you targeted the parents, you targeted the students.
	I'm curious, we'll get to the big stuff first.
	How did you prep for that?
	How long did it take me to write that?
	Talk about you getting up to the podium to say what you said.
	Well, for the last year, everybody has been saying the same stuff.
	Critical Eraser is bad.
	We should stop doing this.
	You guys are awful.
	You're terrible.
	The board doesn't care.
	So I have nothing to address to the school board.
	I don't care for them.
	I don't work for them.
	They work for me.
	So I wanted to take advantage of the 60 seconds that I had to give a message to the people that matter the most to me.
	Those are the parents.
	Those are the teachers.
	And those are the students.
	So you say it's been happening for a year now.
	It's my contention, but you're there in the trenches.
	My kids have grown up at their college or past college age right now.
	I think COVID had a lot to do with people seeing the depth of the indoctrination.
	Is it fair to say that the Zoom lessons were a wake-up call for many parents?
	Absolutely.
	They were like, oh, I can actually see now what the teachers were saying.
	I can see the study guides are getting for their tests.
	This isn't right.
	So parents for the first time now have, you know, a free shot at seeing exactly what's going down their child's brain.
	Now you are, every week we're seeing amazing video clips, whether it's Tatiana in Carmel in New York, whether it was Simon Campbell in Pennsylvania at the school board meeting there in Bucks County, but we haven't seen teachers.
	You're the first one that came to prominence.
	Can you talk to us about Why?
	Are you truly alone?
	Are there others speaking out?
	Oh my gosh.
	I'm not the first teacher to speak out.
	There have been teachers I've spoken out.
	I think there was one that spoke way before I did.
	The first time I spoke at the board was in March and I addressed the school board and I said to their face, I said, you are the face of privilege.
	After that, another teacher came forward.
	After that, another teacher came forward.
	So it's been a ripple effect, but I don't think that I'm the first teacher that sparked this.
	And what has been the backlash for you?
	What's been the positive and negative repercussions of you more than once speaking up and saying this is wrong?
	Honestly, I don't even focus on the backlash.
	It just goes right by me.
	I won't even waste my time thinking about the backlash because the amount of support I have received from ordinary people and then people like you who have been able to raise my voice has been outstanding.
	And so everything else aside, we are gathering together.
	We've formed this community, this alliance, and we're finally finding our voice together.
	So that is what I want to focus on, is the beauty that's come out of this.
	And it seems to me, it seems very organic.
	It doesn't seem like there's anything artificial.
	It's not, you know, some community organizer whose conservative has come in and done an astroturf.
	It seems very natural from the outside.
	How structured is it and how spontaneous is it, Lilit?
	Well, the parents have been doing a lot of work.
	In the very beginning, Mr. Gorka, they've been coming and pressuring the school board to get their kids back into school.
	So that was their focus.
	And I was like, well, if we get the kids back in school... It's more than indoctrination.
	We're in school, but now the guys can go into the girls' locker room.
	The boys can go into the girls' bathrooms.
	We're defunding the school resource officers.
	We are lowering the standards for grading.
	We are, I mean, we're just setting these kids up for failure.
	So why don't we focus on how we can fix what's happening in the school system before we beg to go back to school?
	And you have an Instagram account.
	It's at Teachers for Trump.
	Teachers underscore F-O-R underscore Trump.
	Talk to us about that.
	So I created that account almost a year ago.
	It was after President Trump's beautiful 4th of July speech.
	And I was so... I couldn't stop crying.
	And I said, I know I'm not the only teacher.
	I know I'm not the only teacher.
	There has to be a platform for us.
	And I couldn't find it.
	And I said, well, why don't I create this account?
	And now I'm at almost 37,000 people who think like me, who support me, who want to fight with me.
	And if a simple-minded person like myself in Northern Virginia could inspire thousands of people, then what is our excuse?
	Yeah, we don't like false modesty.
	Simple-minded.
	I think not!
	Her name is Lilit Van Etienne.
	We'll talk about that lovely name and where it hails from and why it matters.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Trump.
	This is America First.
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	Don't touch that dial.
	Don't touch that dial.
	Oh my god.
	Yeah, on Rumble it starts.
	If you look around, if you turn around, that's what they're seeing on Rumble.
	Oh, awesome!
	So we go out to hundreds of radio stations, in the breaks they have their local commercials, but on Rumble we just leave the mics open.
	People like to see behind the stage.
	Love it.
	Alright, I'm gonna ask you about...
	Teachers and COVID masks, where this is all coming from, the boards versus the teacher training colleges, what you think the source of all this is.
	And then let's talk a little bit about your family.
	Would you like the three websites I have?
	Oh, yeah.
	Tell me now.
	So the first one is undoctrinate.org.
	The second one is whataretheylearning.com.
	The third one is parentsagainstcrt.com. - Okay.
	Can you get these ready and rotate them through the next two segments, Eric?
	Which ones?
	Undoctrinate.org.
	On DoctorNate.org, okay.
	Yep, and then WhatAreTheyLearning.com.
	WhatAreTheyLearning.com.
	And then ParentsAgainstCRT.com, and just rotate through them.
	I'll mention the beginning and then just rotate through them.
	Okay.
	All in one segment or one per segment?
	Yeah, just all, you know, rotate through them, you know, in each segment.
	Got it, okay.
	And who are these?
	So the first one is basically a tab of resources of websites and organizations that parents can get involved in.
	So it has a bunch of different websites and organizations fighting against ERT.
	WhatAreTheyLearning.com is like an interactive map of like, click your state, find your school, see what's being taught there, and upload documents of proof on there.
	The third one is Parents Against CRT.
	It was founded by a parent from Loudoun County.
	Okay.
	He's got a bunch of articles on there.
	Also, it has a CRT glossary, so you can look at all the, like, racist-infused vocabulary that we throw into the school curriculum.
	Oh my gosh.
	And who created the first two?
	The first two, I believe, are both, like, parent-led, like, grassroots.
	That's amazing.
	Yeah.
	And the third one is Scott Mineo.
	That's a lot of material for something that's mythical.
	Invented by Glenn Youngkin and Donald Trump.
	We have that's important.
	We've got Barr, AOC.
	I would like a day when everything works.
	It would be nice.
	Just one day.
	Yeah.
	That was Friday, right?
	You suck, you bar steward.
	Okay.
	30 seconds?
	Standing by.
	Yes.
	Are you looking at playing an audio cut?
	Maybe.
	Or video.
	We have lots of video of the boss.
	The woke military starts out with critical race theory.
	Oh, but yeah, but it's an hour long.
	It's a minute long, right?
	Yeah.
	Oh, come in with 13.
	13?
	Yeah.
	13.
	Yep.
	I see it.
	39 seconds long.
	Okay.
	Sounds good.
	Good coming in in five seconds.
	Five months, the Biden administration is already a complete and total catastrophe.
	I told you crime is surging.
	Murders are soaring.
	Police departments are being gutted.
	Illegal aliens are overrunning their borders.
	Nobody's ever seen anything like it.
	Our poor borders, they were so perfect.
	They were so good.
	Drug cartels and human traffickers are back in business like they've never been before.
	They're doing numbers that they've never even thought possible.
	That was President Trump at the Lorain County Fairgrounds in Ohio, Saturday night, for his first new rally.
	15,000 people in attendance.
	We have some amazing cuts we're going to play for you during the day.
	But please, if you missed it, You can watch the whole speech after the show.
	Wait till we're done at our Rumble channel.
	Yes, we've uploaded the video.
	Rumble.com slash Seb Gorka.
	Check it out after the show.
	But we are back with our very special guest music teacher Lilit Vernetian here on America First who is really She's got all of our guests in trouble.
	Can you make a note, Jeff, can you email all future guests that they have to arrive in studio not only with baked goods in American wrapping for our team, this is really bad news for the rest of our guests, and then for the big man, for the guy with the funny accent, I have, you know, look, I have littered around my studio copies of the Constitution in my pocket in front of my instant replay soundboard.
	But I don't.
	I know, you know, silly poor immigrant that I am.
	I don't have a bound copy of the Constitution of the United States.
	Selected writings of the Founding Fathers with gold pages.
	Bourgeois.
	Bougie.
	It's very bougie.
	It's delightful, and it's inscribed!
	God bless you all!
	My teacher has given me homework.
	I will be taking a test soon when she comes back into the studio.
	Let's talk about the amazing things not only you have done, but these resources that we're going to put up on the screen for those parents who want to know more.
	Talk about these websites where they can find out just how bad the situation is and what it's going to take to fight back.
	The first one is Undoctrinate.org.
	That's basically resources of organizations that have been set up to fight against CRT in the schools and universities, mind you.
	The second one is WhatAreTheyLearning.com.
	This is like a parent-powered interactive map.
	So you can go to your state, your town, and then?
	You click on the school district, you see what the kids are learning there.
	That's incredible.
	And I believe you can also upload your own evidence of indoctrination on the website.
	So if your kid has brought home a crazy syllabus about how white people are oppressors, you can load it up there.
	Absolutely, and everybody can see it.
	Incredible.
	And the last one?
	The last one is Parents Against CRT.
	This was founded by Scott Mineo, a parent from Loudoun County, Virginia.
	You can access the CRT glossary on there.
	It has a list of racist-induced vocabulary terms that we throw into the school curriculum.
	You mean the mythical thing that was invented by Donald Trump and Glenn Youngkin.
	CRT doesn't exist.
	And you and I. Oh yes, of course.
	Oh, did I invent it?
	I'm impressed.
	So it's Undoctrinate.org.
	Check it out.
	Undoctrinate.org.
	WhatAreTheyLearning.com and ParentsAgainstCRT.com.
	That's ParentsAgainstCRT.com.
	You have this Instagram website, Instagram account, Teachers for Trump, but I have to Oh yeah.
	There are a handful of parents just from Loudoun County that said, I'm done with Democrats.
	I can't believe I voted for them.
	identities.
	And maybe a lot of these parents really don't see themselves as political, but have had enough.
	Oh, yeah.
	There are a handful of parents just from Loudoun County that said, I'm done with Democrats.
	I can't believe I voted for them.
	And we're like, we can't say we didn't tell you so, but it's great that you're seeing it now.
	And when you look at the people who are stepping up, talking at the school board meetings, they also seem to cut across all social class income variables, right?
	This is just Americans.
	They're just parents.
	They're parents who are paying taxes to these government schools, just wanting the government, wanting the country to take care of their kids for eight hours a day, but it's too much to ask for, apparently.
	Yeah, apparently it is too much.
	Where does it all come from?
	What is the source of CRT?
	And who do these school board members think they really are?
	Those are some of the questions we will be asking our very special guest, Lilit Venezian, Teachers for Trump, somebody who has really upped the game here at America First.
	Yes, thank you kindly for doing that.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	Clear. - Yeah.
	Mics are on.
	I'm trying to remember what was it was Fairfax County where we had a couple maybe two or three of the people who are running to get on the board and then it ended up with every single member of the board for Fairfax County being a Democrat with none of them having a child in a school in Fairfax County.
	Yeah, Loudoun County used to be all Republican school board not that long ago.
	Wow.
	George Soros decided to, you know, fund the races.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So they're so clever.
	They realized that, you know, all politics truly is local.
	Yeah, that's what the Dems did.
	Crazy.
	We learned the hard way, but it is what it is.
	Well, I think it's I think people are waking up and that's, that's a good, good thing.
	For sure.
	You want to do pillow here?
	Pillow, okay.
	No, what I want to do here is eat some cookies.
	That's what I want to do.
	Those cookies look mighty fine.
	But she's put it in wrapping so I can't open it on radio.
	It's secure.
	I did it on purpose.
	Unwrapping straight from the mic.
	Oh man.
	Beautiful.
	Read and snack at the same time.
	Yeah, I know.
	I need a silent snack.
	Not allowed to eat on radio, right, Chad?
	That's true.
	It's rude.
	It's death.
	Has anybody ever done that?
	Anybody famous ate, eaten on radio?
	Yeah.
	Did Savage eat his spaghetti and meatballs on radio?
	I wouldn't put it past him.
	I wouldn't put it past him.
	I mean, I'm sure it's happened before for gags and stuff, famously, but... Chewing cigars is okay, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Fair.
	Did you get any texts about that or anything?
	Did anybody mention that?
	Yeah, I'm curious.
	Eric, did anybody mention that in the Rumble, like, comment section?
	Did anybody offer to send me lots of cigars?
	Yeah.
	I saw one person who asked, is that a cigar in his mouth?
	Like, they weren't 100% sure.
	What did they think it was?
	They didn't say, but they definitely noticed that you had it.
	A small log?
	Yeah.
	All right, one minute.
	I'm digging the flute music.
	I play flute.
	I beatbox flute.
	I'll do it for your show.
	Yeah.
	I like jazz flute.
	Jazz flute's cool.
	Little Jethro Tull.
	Jethro Tull.
	All right.
	Is that your speech?
	Little Jethro Tull?
	Yeah, a friend of mine's absolutely obsessed with him.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Flute can be very cool.
	I used to play sax.
	I think that's the coolest instrument.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	It's the closest to a human voice, I think.
	You and Bill Clinton?
	Did you play with him?
	Stop it!
	Stop it!
	Always one has to ruin my mood.
	Busted.
	Alright, stand by.
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	We are in the studio with Lilit Venezian, one of the few teachers who's prepared to push back on the insanity, the bigotry.
	Let's go right there.
	This is what I've been holding out from all of our millions of listeners.
	Why did you do what you do?
	And how much does it have to do with who you and your family are?
	I do what I do because there's nothing more important to me than this country.
	And who are the future leaders of this country?
	Our kids.
	So I'm not married, I don't have children of my own, but these kids are all my kids.
	Yeah, they're under your charge.
	They are.
	And these are our future school board members, our future parents, future law enforcement officers, future mayor, governor, vice president, president.
	So It is up to us.
	It is our duty and obligation to mold them and to inspire them and to challenge them.
	So if I don't speak up, then I'm not doing my part to maintain this country.
	All right, and your family background.
	Talk to us about where this lovely name, the Netzian, comes from.
	It's Armenian.
	Which is a former Soviet country, absolutely, that my family fled in early 90s.
	So they have seen it.
	So if you want to see oppression, I think you should leave this country.
	If you want to see oppression, you should take a time machine and go back into Soviet era, go back to communism, go back to socialism.
	So we are so privileged in this country.
	We are so honored and humbled to live here in this country.
	We are here for a reason.
	If we lose America, where do we go?
	There is nowhere else to go.
	It's a point I make often.
	So your reaction to this American athlete at the Olympic trials yesterday, who when the national anthem of America started to play, turned her back and pulled her shirt up over her head.
	Leave.
	Go to Cuba, go to Venezuela.
	Because actually, I wrote this quote down.
	President Trump, in his 1776 commission, wrote, Americans should be taught to take pride in our great country.
	And if you don't, there's nothing in it for you.
	And that resonates with me every day.
	If you're unhappy here, if you're unsatisfied, leave.
	Don't turn it into another socialist hellhole, thank you very much.
	Lilith, where is the centre of gravity for what we are fighting?
	I look at these school boards and who do they think they are?
	Where does this attitude come from?
	Or tell us about what are the other teachers you work with like?
	Is it the teachers' unions that are indoctrinating the children?
	Is it the teacher training colleges?
	Can you map for us, as an insider, where the heart of darkness truly is?
	Yeah, it's a puzzle.
	So they're all puzzle pieces.
	Teacher's Union, then you have the NAACP.
	The NAACP not only wants to threaten to defund our school resource officers, but they also threaten to infiltrate our school curriculum.
	So there's that.
	And then, of course, the Board of Supervisors, there's the Department of Ed, the school board members, and then there's just external pressure from woke teachers.
	I mean, woke parents.
	The majority of teachers just want to teach.
	They simply want to teach.
	So most, this is super important, so Lily, most teachers you're saying are decent and don't want to do the indoctrination?
	Nope.
	Okay, but there's this pressure, unions, boards and woke parents and they just want to, I guess, survive?
	Yeah, and the professional development that we're forced to sit in.
	So I've mentioned this before, I think, on your show, where they want to indoctrinate us as teachers first, before we come after your kids.
	So teachers who you have known for years, who are just simple-minded people, whether they're Republican or Democrat, now all of a sudden, they feel guilty to be white.
	Now all of a sudden, their, you know, their required textbook in the class is how to be an anti-racist by Abraham Kendi.
	Where did that come from?
	Right.
	And talk to us about these board members because I look at them and none of them look, you know, the people are shutting off your mic, telling Tatiana Ibrahim she can't talk for more than two minutes.
	They don't look very imposing.
	They don't look very smart.
	They look like kind of grey bureaucrats.
	What do they believe?
	Do they just believe that they're not responsible to the parents and the taxpayers?
	What's their attitude?
	Can you tell?
	Yeah, they're honestly a nobody, but they have enough power over you that they can make these decisions.
	So it's just a power trip.
	They take the tiny inch of power that they have with the measly salary that they get, and they just bang the hammer on the gravel and they say, this is how it's going to be.
	So they're essentially nobody.
	And that's why I just want to remind teachers we don't work for them.
	Are they worried?
	Can you tell?
	I'm pretty sure they are.
	So do you think that their cage has been rattled?
	Oh, absolutely.
	They feel very threatened, as we have seen with the election, right?
	Like, this is all political.
	Even our school system, it's all politics.
	Yes.
	So the more parents have been showing up, the more students and teachers have been speaking up, they feel more threatened.
	They feel more inclined to be even more woke and to fight back even harder.
	That's why we can't stand back.
	And this idea recently, it was the Loudoun County meeting, I think it was the Loudoun County meeting, was it Loudoun or Fairfax, where the board said, you can't be rude, this is a disturbance, they shut down the meeting, Loudoun, and then they called in the sheriffs to arrest parents?
	I was there.
	Yeah, so this is, isn't this a sign of weakness on their behalf?
	Yeah, they're scared.
	They're terrified.
	What they also did is, I want to say on air, first of all, the Loudon Democrats openly, this is on their public Twitter account, they bust in activists from outside of the county.
	I counted at least two or three men in dresses.
	I've never seen these people before.
	Where do they come from?
	So they came in, and then they secretly changed the school board time from 6.30 to 4 o'clock.
	Without telling anybody, so the parents would arrive two hours late when it was all over?
	We had 259 speakers signed up to speak.
	They cut off about after maybe 20 speakers or so, felt threatened, cut off public comment, got up and shamelessly left.
	It's exciting, guys.
	It's exciting.
	People like Lilith are the catalyst, but it's up to all of us.
	You don't have to be a parent if you're a grandparent.
	If it's just somebody who's a taxpayer, you don't want to see the children, the future of our nation.
	As she told us, being brainwashed under these absolutely racist ideologies, it's time to take a stand.
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	No, no. no.
	Now she's here.
	I'm gonna keep her here for one more segment.
	I'm just gonna ask you what's your message to those who are afraid?
	So who's teaching your class today?
	Somebody covering for you?
	Oh, no, no, I'm done.
	You're done?
	Mm hmm.
	So you are you are now available?
	Crossing my fingers to get hired next year.
	Yes.
	I'll put you down as a reference.
	You may, you may.
	That'll either hurt or help.
	You never know.
	You never know.
	I know a few good schools in the area that are very conservative.
	Yeah.
	You should come teach part time.
	Oh my gosh, I got an invitation to go and give a guest lecture.
	Was that at Mason?
	I went to Mason a couple of years ago to do something.
	And then was it AU or was it Catholic?
	I think it was AU.
	And we just thought this is going to be nuts.
	This is if I walk in there.
	But maybe, maybe.
	I love teaching.
	I just hate grading.
	I utterly hate waiting, but I think that's a common reality.
	30 seconds.
	All right.
	Standing by.
	11.
	11.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Thank you, Mr. President.
	They've already heard from me.
	They want to hear from you.
	Mostly what they want is for you to run in 2024 and go back to the White House.
	Thank you all very much.
	The great Jim Jordan from Saturday's rally.
	Yes, indeed.
	2024, here we come.
	We are back with Lilit Vanetian of Teachers for Trump.
	Teachers underscore FOR underscore Trump on Instagram.
	One of the truth tellers, one of the warriors For the future of our nation.
	Look, I don't want to degrade or lessen what you or even I do, but really it's easy for us.
	My father was arrested and tortured by secret police officers, given a life sentence in a communist jail at the age of 20.
	So for me, pushing back on these creeps is not a hard thing to do.
	And when they use words against us, I say, Dude, my father was tortured.
	Bring it.
	I'm ready.
	You, yourself, your family escaped a post-communist Soviet dictatorship.
	So we have that connection.
	What is your message to those who don't have that in their blood, don't have that in their gene code, don't have that frame of reference, but who feel intimidated as American parents, teachers, and students?
	What is your message to them, Lillet?
	Okay, so for parents, I'm gonna keep it simple.
	Grow a spine because these are your kids, right?
	They can't speak up for themselves.
	They depend on you.
	They rely on you.
	Your kids are voiceless.
	Grow a spine.
	Speak up for them.
	If you don't like what you're seeing, do something.
	Form an alliance with local pissed off parents.
	They're everywhere.
	I don't care how blue red your your county is.
	They are everywhere.
	They want to band with you.
	So be that leader.
	Don't believe you're alone.
	Yeah, you're absolutely not alone.
	There's more of us than there is of them, so don't let them intimidate you.
	Form an alliance and speak up for your kids.
	Second thing you should do is check out the websites we listed before.
	And number three, stop voting for the same people that put you and your family in your current demise.
	Now, for teachers, same thing, right?
	Form that alliance.
	Number two, leave the teachers' unions.
	They don't represent you.
	They don't have your best interests at heart.
	Stop funding them.
	Get out of the union.
	The third thing you have to do is remind yourself why you came into this profession.
	You are chosen to be in this profession, so it's your duty and obligation to serve your kids, so don't let go of that.
	And then for kids, you know, you are essentially the ones dealing with this all day.
	You are actually seeing it firsthand eight hours a day.
	Go home and tell your parents what happened.
	You know, say, hey, I taught, I was learned, I was told to do this.
	I was told to check my white privilege.
	I was told to do this assignment that had to do with comparing BLM movement with a civil rights movement.
	That happened in Loudoun County Middle School.
	So go home and have a conversation with your parents and challenge the staff.
	I mean, don't be rude.
	Don't be, you know, don't start a fight with them.
	But don't take it.
	But don't take it.
	You can't allow a teacher to sit there and say, oh, you're a Christian.
	You're disgusting.
	Say something.
	The websites, Educate Yourself, Undoctrinate.org, WhatAreTheyLearning.com and ParentsAgainstCRT.com.
	Be more like this lady and we will win.
	And I want to tell you, on behalf I think of at least three million people in this country, Thank you, Lilit Venezi.
	My pleasure, thank you.
	God bless you.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	Next, another in-guest studio, Matt Gaetz.
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	She's what, was she five foot two, Shad?
	That lady must be what, 70 pounds?
	I think you're being, you know, liberal in that estimation.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But I'd like to be in the trenches.
	If I have to go to war, I want to go to war with Lilith Vanetian, somebody else who's not on the front lines in the schools.
	He's on the front lines in the swamp every single day, fighting the swamp creatures in the deep state.
	And he's in studio as well.
	What an honor.
	Congressman Matt Gaetz, welcome.
	Thanks for having me.
	In studio, though, I must say I'm not bringing you special treats for consumption like your last guest.
	I mean, we are now a carbohydrate-heavy relief factor studio.
	We are.
	We are.
	We're going to have to get into the sauna tonight.
	I got myself one of these little portable saunas.
	Dude, they work.
	I was in a swimming pool of Sweat, let's not go there after the first time I tried it, but I'm gonna have to do something because that's a bit of a carbo load.
	Matt is absolutely right.
	Follow him, gates.house.gov, at repmattgates on Twitter.
	So much to discuss, but I have to get, because you were on the front line of this issue as well, your response to one of, I think, well I'm biased, but one of the most important issues that came out of the Saturday Ohio rally with my old boss, President Trump.
	Cut 10!
	Critical race theory into classrooms across the nation, and also into our military.
	Our generals and our admirals are now focused more on this nonsense than they are on our enemies.
	You see these generals lately on television?
	They are woke.
	They won't.
	Our military will be incapable of fighting and incapable of taking orders.
	You're gonna tell some private, Private, stand up!
	You stand up!
	Right now.
	I'm not standing up.
	You can't talk to me that way, General.
	We're gonna have a whole different ballgame here.
	I don't know how they're gonna work that out.
	The private's gonna tell the General, Don't you ever speak to me that way, General!
	I'll kick your ass.
	That's our military.
	That's where we're going.
	Woke.
	I know some of these guys.
	Boy, they change quickly.
	They went right over to the other side.
	I heard that about a couple of them.
	The military brass have become weak and ineffective leaders, and our enemies are watching and they're laughing.
	How important was it, Congressman Gates, that President Trump brought this issue up at his first rally?
	I'm grateful that President Trump actually referenced the questioning that I did of General Milley before the House Armed Services Committee.
	And I half expected the generals to say, well, we reject critical race theory.
	We don't teach it.
	It's not part of our pedagogy.
	It's not part of our value system.
	But instead, much to my surprise and dismay, we had General Milley give critical race theory the full bear hug, the full embrace.
	And that's why it's so important that President Trump spoke against this.
	Dr. Gorka, our service members are the most inspirational Americans I have ever met.
	They are the best among us.
	They inspire the best within us.
	And they don't do it for the money.
	They deserve a lot better leadership than they're getting from the Pentagon right now.
	And we all know it.
	The Pentagon is more worried about this explicitly racist ideology than the actual military strategy that can inure to our nation's benefit.
	I was particularly concerned about the curriculum within our service academies because when you look at training the next generation of great military leaders, we want them to know how to address challenges, how to assess them, not how to exact their own sense of personal grievance or how to become divisive.
	One of the things that so many military service members share with me is that there is a commonality to the experience.
	You're going through the same training, you're having some of the same homesickness, you've got that same burning patriotism in your soul, and now when we use an ideology to slice and dice different segments of our population to say, well, this group has particular rage, this group has particular fragility, this group has a particular grievance, you do great disruption to the cohesion at the unit level that is necessary to win.
	And when you hear the most senior US officer in the most powerful military in the world talk about his need, his desire to understand the white rage that led to the events of January the 6th, Why is our military not focused on the Herculean task ahead to withdraw from Afghanistan?
	Why is our military not worried about taking the strategic steps to deprive Iran and North Korea of nuclear capabilities?
	Why is our military not doing more so that our allies can actually take care of their own neighborhoods rather than asking the U.S.
	taxpayer to do so?
	And it's because of priorities.
	And if our military leaders are saying at the outset, as Secretary Austin did, that we have to do a stand down to assess white supremacy, then we are not prioritizing the things that are necessary.
	I'll tell you this, Dr. Gorka, there isn't anybody in the Chinese military today studying white rage.
	There isn't any project in the Chinese military to stand down the development of capabilities so that they can better assess their personal grievance.
	While we are still Studying and researching hypersonic weapon systems.
	China is fielding those weapon systems They have the largest army in the world.
	They have more troops.
	They are closing the capability gap Sometimes they are even surpassing our capabilities and I hate to even have to admit that but if we do not have the best and brightest minds the most patriotic Americans focused on winning and instead utilizing the military for the as a social justice engine I think we'll really lose The American greatness that has defined the last century.
	He proudly represents the first congressional district of Florida.
	Follow him, Rep.
	Matt Gaetz, on Twitter.
	Let's talk about Twitter.
	Let's talk about the force multipliers of wokeness, not just in our military, but everywhere.
	And that is, of course, the social media platforms.
	On my show yesterday on Newsmax, we discussed What is happening in California and this true collusion that was uncovered by Rogan O'Hanley.
	Let's play that little clip and get the congressman's response.
	What was the content of the tweet that got you banned?
	Just share it with our viewers.
	The final tweet that got me banned was a picture of the Capitol with barbed wire and at the top I wrote, most votes in American history in quotes, which per the Democrats is a fact for half the country.
	It's a joke.
	And that was the one that ultimately got me permanently banned from Twitter.
	Most of us who are concerned focus on the cancellations, the suspensions like Rogan, DC Drano being, you know, nixed on Twitter.
	But he discovered something far, far more insidious.
	Talk to us about real collusion between political actors and Palo Alto.
	One of the problems Twitter has when they ban people is that some of those people don't just go away quietly.
	And in this case, Rogan stepped forward to litigate and to get discovery into the particular emails that Twitter and the government might have been exchanging.
	And what is so explosive about the evidence in this case is that we now can prove a direct pipeline from the Democratic Party in California Through the apparatus of state government into Twitter to manipulate what people are seeing.
	I never thought there would be that direct evidence with emails emanating from a political actor rolling through the apparatus of government and then resulting in a platform like Twitter more powerful than any government having the ability to shape the nature of truth.
	So specifically, please go and watch Go to our Rumble channel, rumble.com, see the full interview, see my Newsback show.
	What the congressman is talking about is Democrat strategists telling the Secretary of State of California that these posts on Twitter are Unamenable.
	They don't like them.
	And then the Secretary of State telling Twitter, would you delete them?
	And Twitter deleting them.
	That is not a social media function.
	That is free advertising.
	It's censorship.
	What's the answer?
	We are in the minority in the House, in the Senate.
	Do we just wait?
	I'm ready to break up Big Tech.
	I'm ready to do it right now.
	And I'm willing to work with Democrats who don't like me and who I don't like very much in order to get the job done.
	There are some Republicans now saying that we can never work with the likes of Elizabeth Warren to break up Google, Facebook.
	Apple, Amazon.
	But it's my belief that these companies are more powerful than any government that has ever existed in all of human time.
	They are corrosive to our democracy.
	They are dangerous to markets.
	For us to have capitalism, we have to have free markets.
	These four companies really, I think, are damaging that opportunity for innovation.
	And so I'm working with Democrats in bipartisan legislation to break up those four companies.
	It is not the most libertarian approach I've ever had, but I think that American patriotism demands it.
	In the last 60 seconds we have with you in this segment, Congressman Gates, are they working with you because they have the same objective?
	Or isn't it the case that Democrats think that these organs, these instruments, aren't woke enough?
	I think that Democrats want to break up these companies for their own reasons that have nothing to do with censorship.
	But you know what?
	If you want to break up Amazon and you've got your reason and I want to break up Amazon and it's a different reason, but we have the ability to actually obtain the objective, that's good enough for me.
	And I think it'll be good for the country.
	And I think it's really disingenuous for Republicans to say, well, we can only stand for the things we believe in when we're in power.
	Sometimes you have to stand for no matter who's in power.
	The old Arab phrase, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
	Not always, but sometimes it does work.
	Follow him at repmattgates, G-A-E-T-Z, on Twitter.
	He is also at gates.house.gov.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, stay on this channel.
	Keep the mics on, Eric.
	The mics are on.
	So, speaking of the show, tell me about the different platforms where you're seeing growth and a lot of engagement.
	Rumble was crazy.
	So the story was, what was it now, like two months ago, three months ago?
	So everybody on Twitter, on YouTube, was given the official warning after January the 12th, you may not question the results of the election.
	I mean, this is all the big content providers were sent an official warning that after this date.
	Okay, fine.
	And then about six weeks ago, eight weeks ago, there was an interview with one of my colleagues, in which she said, millions of Americans have issues with the last election, right?
	It's just a statement of fact, right?
	And we realized this could be problematic.
	So we made the video private on YouTube, which meant only our administrator could see it.
	It was not a public video.
	YouTube had one of their administrators go through our videos that were private, found that one, terminated the channel.
	How many subscribers did you have?
	How many subscribers?
	What was it at the top?
	150,000 I think?
	YouTube?
	No, YouTube was more than that.
	Let me check.
	I have the final stats somewhere in here.
	I took the final screenshots.
	The views we were getting were insane then.
	Yeah, we were getting views like, what was our biggest video?
	Our biggest video, was it Ericsson?
	I think Ericsson hit almost a million.
	Yeah, almost a million.
	So we had, what, maybe a quarter of a million followers?
	230,000 subscribers.
	Okay, a quarter of a million.
	Nixed it.
	And then, what do we do?
	Well, we've got a little Fresh Rumble account.
	And I didn't realize Dan Bongino's connected.
	Dan said he heard what had happened, and he said, okay, let's get Rumble live streaming, because there was no live streaming.
	So we were canceled on a Friday.
	By Tuesday, we'd replaced the live stream on YouTube with the live stream on Rumble, and now we're at what?
	300 and what?
	Like 334.
	330,000 on Rumble already.
	I've got to grow my Rumble account.
	I think I've only got a few folks watching, so I've got to figure that platform out and get rolling on it.
	At this point, we have to platform ourselves faster than they can de-platform us.
	And there's some big people with deep pockets who are now...
	Helping rumble so good.
	Well, I mean, I yeah, I look at the YouTube like no one's allowed to question the election I mean these people would have get banned Galileo, right?
	I mean, you know It it is so arrogant to think that any of us have the four corners of the truth You know, that we're unable to have our assumptions tested and criticized.
	Which is how science works, by the way.
	And to be confronted with data.
	I mean, it's not a consensus opinion.
	Yeah, like, are people on YouTube allowed to champion these election audits?
	Is that allowed?
	I mean, those are things that are happening.
	Are you allowed to talk about them?
	Who knows?
	Well, you're allowed to talk about Russian collusion for four years.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Exactly.
	Nobody got banned.
	Nobody got suspended.
	Nobody got terminated.
	Yeah, you go back and watch those greatest hits.
	But there's no shame in it for the folks that were... No, because we're dumb and we're racist, right?
	They are the supermen.
	75 million people are dumb.
	I think there's a reason that...
	More and more conservative outlets are covering critical race theory, and it's because it's driving viewers and listeners in the demo.
	Who hates this the most are parents, because they do not want their children taught to hate themselves and hate one another.
	That, and even more, transgenderism is going to wake America up.
	If you're messing up a high school girl's track future with this insanity, that'll get people political.
	Yeah, I think I think some of those moms that went the other way in 2018.
	Yes.
	This is the issue.
	America first.
	Can you believe it?
	They are saying that they don't agree with America first.
	How do you say that?
	Magnificent.
	Are you a good dad?
	Are you a good husband?
	A good grandfather?
	How do you measure that?
	Is it bedtime stories?
	Or is it making sure that your loved ones, your children, your grandchildren, your wife are safe?
	are provided for?
	Can you always provide for them?
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	He's in studio, Congressman Matt Gaetz.
	Before we get on to the next topic, your observations.
	Is it too early with regards to the building collapse in Miami?
	What's your take as a Floridian?
	Deeply concerned and I'm hearing reports That there were a number of complaints and maintenance requests to the homeowners association in Florida.
	We have very robust laws that govern the obligations of people who are involved in sort of maintenance of common elements and buildings.
	And so, you know, I'm deeply concerned about those that are currently unaccounted for.
	But I also want to make sure that we learn from this.
	You know, every time there's a tragedy, whether it's a building collapse, a bridge collapse, a plane crash, we want to make sure that we come out of it better and stronger.
	And I know my good friend Governor DeSantis in Florida is doing everything he can to ascertain how to keep our Floridians safe.
	Thank you.
	We opened the show with the greatest mayor I think America's ever had, Rudy Giuliani was on.
	We talked to him about what they're trying to do to him, the Supreme Court in New York going after him because of who he is, not what he did.
	The accusations against you seem to be petering out.
	What's the latest?
	Are you taking legal action?
	You know, whether it's Rudy Giuliani or me, it seems that people want to make the process the punishment.
	Rudy Giuliani is one of the great crime fighters of our time.
	He took down the mob.
	People thought that wasn't even possible.
	And then he cleaned up New York City, and then he led the city through the rebuild that was necessary.
	The fact that in the Southern District of New York they are abusing Rudy Giuliani like this, Shows how far America has slipped, and it shows how far that office has slipped.
	And so I stand in solidarity with him for sure, because I also remember efforts to go after my law license.
	If I said an intemperate tweet, or if I took a position regarding election integrity, I constantly face efforts to try to revoke my law license in the state of Florida.
	This is a new tool the left is using.
	Now, it turns out in Florida, folks have
	applied a little more common sense that they have been in the empire state vis-a-vis rudy giuliani but uh... i i am deeply concerned that for the sake of concentration of power national security authorities are being turned against our people and it's easy to internalize that on a circumstance that that uh... my allies my friends the president might be going through that i might be going through we really have to think about what this means for everyday americans
	who want to be able to associate freely politically, who want to be able to share their thoughts online, who want to be able to, I think, embrace the values that President Trump embraced that were so successful for our country.
	And so I think we've got to think about this, not just in the specific events in which we see the manifestations of excessive government power, but we also have to look at it in terms of what it ultimately means for our people and for our country.
	I am focused on the work here in Congress.
	I think that's why my voters sent me, and so I don't intend to live out personal grievance.
	I intend to go fight the battles for the people in my district.
	Let's talk about the work in Congress.
	This infrastructure bill.
	The everything but infrastructure bill, right?
	One of my favorite breakfast foods is the everything bagel.
	This is the everything but infrastructure bill.
	They actually think that going and seeding some of these like social justice causes is infrastructure.
	And then this bill takes a very bigoted view against rural America.
	They have really quarantined a number of funds away from new road development, the things that will connect our people and our goods and will drive broader economic success, and instead they've quarantined that money just to resurface existing roads.
	I'm not saying that's not a worthy endeavor, but when you don't allow for greater growth and greater development, what you're really saying is that this isn't America's infrastructure bill, this is an infrastructure bill just for those deep blue urban core centers where Nancy Pelosi can pay off her political allies.
	So here's the question, and maybe you can give us the final take here.
	On the one hand, we see 15,000 people supporting the president at that county fairground.
	And he's saying, yes, MAGA is alive.
	It's stronger than ever.
	America first.
	And then you see the establishment GOP just cave, roll over and show its belly to the hyenas on this bill.
	Has anything really changed in DC, Matt Gaetz?
	After Mitt Romney lost, our party needed an autopsy.
	That's literally what they called the review.
	Not really something that you use to describe something that is well and living.
	MAGA doesn't need an autopsy, Dr. Gorka.
	MAGA is a vibrant movement.
	President Trump proved that in Ohio.
	We're going to be proving that together on July 3rd in Florida.
	What we really need to do is take these values and this vision that Donald Trump set forward and we need to build it out.
	We need a new generation of MAGA leaders.
	I think people like Ron DeSantis, Josh Hawley, you know, really meet that mold.
	People like Elise Stefanik in the House of Representatives.
	But the establishment, GOP, what do we do with them, Matt?
	We have to continue to beat them.
	Look, they're established for a reason.
	They're good at it.
	I mean, these are people who don't have substantial populist appeal.
	Their appeal is in the beltway of Washington, DC.
	And I don't say that to be dismissive of it, because there is a lot of power here in Washington, DC.
	And what they fear most is that what Donald Trump really stood for was a diffusion of that power out of this corrupt town.
	And out into our country, empowering our people, having a sense of national ambition again, protecting our borders, making sure that trade actually benefited us, not just globalist multinational corporations, and ensuring that our foreign policy was strategic and focused, and that we weren't spilling American blood needlessly around the world.
	Those are powerful ideas, even more powerful than any one man, and I think the establishment's going to be fighting against them, and that's why we have to be so vigorous in the pursuit of the America First agenda.
	Last 30 seconds, GOP taking action on election integrity.
	Are you satisfied?
	This is going to have to be state by state, Dr. Gorka.
	Nothing good is coming out of Washington, D.C., but when I see people like Dr. Pamela Carlin try to stop a review of the evidence in Georgia, I get very concerned, and that's what you should expect from your Republican members of Congress, to call out and shout down a Biden Justice Department that is not in pursuit of the truth.
	They are trying to block the truth.
	They are trying to intimidate people in Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Georgia from the factual development that is absolutely necessary for us to all have a secure election that produces the correct winner.
	He's going directly from here to fight the dragons in the swamp.
	His name is Matt Gaetz, Florida, number one!
	Follow him at repmattgaetz, gaetz.house.gov.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
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	Thank you.
	Together, we will send Joe Biden and the fake news media.
	There's a lot of people back there.
	Look at that.
	Do you miss me?
	they miss me.
	They miss me.
	Hi.
	I know.
	They look at their bad ratings and they're saying, we missed this guy.
	I said it was gonna happen.
	I was waiting for them to endorse me, actually.
	I know that was a big step, but they're going down the tubes.
	Their numbers are very bad.
	Do you miss me?
	Do you miss me?
	That was fun!
	So much more to play, but I gotta talk about the stories of the day as well, not just the President's Rally.
	According to The Atlantic, what a... I remember 20 years ago, The Atlantic was actually quasi-serious.
	Garbage!
	I wouldn't use it to wipe my bottom today.
	The Atlantic has a story from Jonathan Karl, ABC News anchor, in which he said the following.
	Bill Barr, allegedly, with regards to President Trump's assertions over the last election, said, My attitude was, it's about put up or shut up time.
	If there was evidence of fraud, I had no motive to suppress it.
	But my suspicion all the way along was there was nothing there.
	It was all BS, according to Bill Barr.
	Which is weird, because A, this is a lie, and the Atlantic made this up, or Bill Barr is so utterly swamp that he's the liar.
	Why?
	Well, this video was posted by our friend Jenna Ellis, and it's from Attorney General Barr last year with CNN and Wolf Blitzer.
	And what did Barr say back then?
	Cut to play cut.
	Well, we haven't had the kind of widespread use of mail-in ballots that's being proposed.
	We've had absentee ballots from people who request them from a specific address.
	Now what we're talking about is mailing them to everyone on the voter list when everyone knows those voter lists are inaccurate.
	People who should get them don't get them, which has been one of the major complaints in states that have tried this in municipal elections.
	And people who get them are not the right people.
	They're people who have replaced the previous occupant, and they can make them out.
	And sometimes multiple ballots come to the same address with several generations of occupants.
	Do you think that's a way to run a vote?
	He sounds angry, doesn't he?
	Do you think that's a way to run a vote?
	He's even more explicit how mail-in ballots are just fraud waiting to happen.
	Cut one.
	This is a, you know, sort of cheap talk to get around the fundamental problem, which is the bipartisan commission chaired by Jimmy Carter and James Baker said back in 2009 that mail-in voting is fraught with the risk of fraud and coercion.
	But since then there have been a lot of investigations that have improved it.
	Let me talk.
	Yeah, please.
	And since that time, there have been, in the newspapers, in networks, academic studies saying it is open to fraud and coercion.
	The only time the narrative changed is after this administration came in.
	But elections that have been held, with mail, have found substantial fraud and coercion.
	For example, we indicted someone in Texas, 1,700 ballots collected, He sounded a little bit angry there.
	Mr. G, didn't A.G.
	He made them out and voted for the person he wanted to.
	Okay?
	That kind of thing happens with mail-in ballots, and everyone knows that.
	He sounded a little bit angry there.
	Mr. G, didn't A.G. Barr seem a little testy with Wolf there?
	I know what happened to him.
	I know, because he was saying it's bad news, it's an invitation to fraud.
	Do you believe the Atlantic that he said the president's accusations are BS?
	Which version do you think?
	Because you've got a really good sense, your compass for fraud and lying is rather good.
	Yeah, the lying fake news media, what they do, they try and make things out to not be what they are.
	If you look at Barr's response, he's talking about tabulations.
	My guess for what he said was BS.
	He was talking about the Dominion stuff.
	So he's concerned about the accusations about computer fraud, and what he's really angry about in that interview clearly is old-school cheating, right?
	Yeah, what the Democrats are good at, what they mastered.
	Just one more cut, just to demonstrate that Bill Barton thinks it's garbage!
	Cut three.
	Well, this is playing with fire.
	This is playing with fire.
	We're a very closely divided country here.
	And if people have to have confidence in the results of the election and the legitimacy of the government, and people trying to change the rules to this methodology, which, as a matter of logic, is very open to fraud and coercion, is reckless and dangerous.
	And people are playing with fire.
	Hey Billy, I got a little suggestion for you.
	Why don't you tell us which is true?
	Did you say that?
	To the Atlantic, or didn't you?
	Or did you just change your mind?
	Or are you a swarm creature?
	Now's the time to speak up.
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	Yeah.
	I still think he's a slime bag.
	Bar?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, probably.
	But he was not happy there.
	He was not at all happy.
	Yeah, why would he say that?
	I don't get it.
	How do you go from that to what he did, you know what I mean, in December?
	Right.
	How he just blew it off back then.
	But the thing with two is, in there, how about Mitch McConnell repeatedly trying to get him to say there was no fraud in November?
	Yes.
	Do you believe that?
	Absolutely.
	That part I believe.
	The cookies are really good if you want a cookie.
	I'll grab some later.
	Alright, are we calling her up?
	She's Skype.
	Yeah, Eric.
	Oh, she's Skype?
	Okay, good.
	Yeah, I did.
	Alright, before we go to her... Go, go.
	Text or email it?
	I emailed it to your Gmail.
	I'm going to play a couple of cuts before we go to it, because I really want to play one of the AOCs in the Romney cut.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Lilith's pretty hard-ass, isn't she?
	She's the real deal.
	Especially when she said, if you don't like it, leave.
	Yeah.
	No messing.
	No messing.
	It's one of those live ones.
	That website that she has is good, too.
	Which one?
	The second one she mentioned.
	I went on it real quick and I saw my county.
	In a second I could see someone posted a letter that the superintendent had sent out about critical race theory.
	I know you need to get in the curriculums, but it's great.
	It's quick.
	It's easy to use.
	That's a massive resource.
	That's superb.
	I don't understand how 151 can be missing.
	I don't get in America?
	This is a mudslide in Mexico City.
	I mean, seriously.
	Do they not know where they are?
	Email's not showing up.
	Okay, there it is.
	Hang on.
	One of those really long Skype addresses.
	There we go.
	We're getting to the shad cutoff.
	Dialing now.
	She's got a decent headset.
	She sent me a picture of it.
	Dialing now.
	Hello, Miss Edmonds.
	Can you hear us?
	I can.
	Hello.
	Awesome.
	All right.
	We're going to be going live in 20 seconds.
	Are you on Twitter?
	Yes.
	EdmondsOH.
	Yeah.
	Don't forget to put it in the Chiron.
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	Oh yeah, I forgot.
	There's like a hundred other companies.
	All those mini-Facebooks that are just... The choice, the choice of social media platforms you have akin to Facebook is just blistering.
	It is a cornucopia.
	Time to get to the Supreme Court, I think.
	Alright, enough of that.
	Let's talk a little bit of AOC.
	Did you always want to know what the filibuster really is?
	Here's Alexander Ocasio-Cortez explaining what it is cut for!
	Why defend a 60-vote filibuster when the Senate already amplifies minority power so that the 50 Democratic senators already represent millions and millions and millions more Americans than 50 Republican senators?
	And so I would argue that 50 Republican senators is already a built-in kind of filibuster-esque firewall.
	A filibuster-esque firewall.
	It's magic math.
	My 50 senators are really 74 senators.
	Because Republican senators, they're just 23 Republican senators, really.
	It truly is.
	The denial of reality.
	But that's the lady who was crying in front of a parking lot.
	Let's not forget that.
	Okay, let's go to our next guest.
	Somebody who I was told I have to get on the show because she's a rock star, she's a fighter, and she wants to get elected to represent Ohio's 15th congressional district in a special election.
	Ruth Edmonds, welcome to America First.
	It's great to be here with you today.
	Thank you so much.
	So why are you doing this crazy thing?
	You're a successful woman.
	You got a scholarship to Denison University.
	You got raised up from the inner city of Baltimore.
	You managed to create a successful life for yourself.
	Why do you want to become a swamp creature politician?
	Well, I don't want to become a small creature politician.
	I am The American story and it is time for Americans to stand up and to say that Caucasians are not villains and brown-skinned people are not victims.
	As you say, I am from the inner city of Baltimore.
	I was raised by my grandmother.
	I did get a scholarship to go to Denison and I still had to work two jobs.
	I've now raised my two daughters who have college degrees.
	It's an American story.
	It can happen for brown-skinned people as well as light-skinned people.
	In America, hard work, perseverance, faith, and taking advantage of opportunities that come.
	That's what makes America great.
	It's an American story, and that's why I'm running, because we've got to stand up to AOC and Nancy Pelosi.
	I want them to tell me in my face that my story is not a true story.
	It's a false narrative, critical race theory, and it's time that we stop the hijacking of America.
	That's why I'm running.
	Oh, I love that.
	Stop the hijacking of America.
	That's great.
	She doesn't want to be a swamp creature.
	She wants to represent the people of Ohio and the 15th Congressional District.
	Follow her at Ruth Edmonds OH.
	Ruth Edmonds OH.
	Tell us, what was it?
	I mean, you are a success story.
	That is undeniable.
	Was there a moment?
	Was there an issue?
	Was there an event that made you say, OK, I've had enough.
	I want to run for public office?
	You know, it's been a lifelong process.
	I'm an American.
	I'm a patriot.
	I love this country.
	I always have.
	When I was raised in my home, inner city Baltimore, we didn't talk about being victims.
	We talked about being fearfully and wonderfully made.
	I was raised in a Christian household and we talked about things like, you know, with God, all things are possible.
	The things that Americans talk about, it was traditional American values because they were based on a biblical worldview.
	We've got to get back to that.
	I'm from an era where Dr. Martin Luther King gave us a pathway to where we should be.
	We should be treating each other and judging each other by the content of our character and not the color of our skin.
	We have a pathway to a greater and a better America.
	And we need to do it because we're really only one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all, born and unborn.
	That's my message.
	That's what I'm taking to Washington because we need common sense back in our leadership in Washington.
	Fabulous message.
	Follow her, support this lady, Ruth Edmonds for Congress.com.
	That's Ruth Edmonds for Congress.com.
	In literally the last 60 seconds we have with you, Ruth, and God bless you for doing what you do.
	What is your take on Black Lives Matter, the organization?
	Black Lives Matter organization is a Marxist, communist organization, and we should not buy the lie.
	If you look at who's really underneath it, They got $90 million last year and not one of George Floyd's family members got any of it.
	They're raising the money so that they can give it all to the liberals.
	Look and follow the money and you'll see what that organization is really about.
	They're not about really Black Lives Matter.
	There's too many black babies that are being aborted in America for that organization to say that they're all about Black Lives Matter.
	So that's my story on it.
	Ethno-hucksters.
	It's a con.
	It's a sham.
	We need ladies like this one.
	Ruth Edmonds.
	God bless you!
	Ohio's 15th district.
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	Mike, are back on?
	Thank you.
	That was superb.
	We'll send you the links later tonight.
	Thank you so much, Mr. Barker.
	God bless.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye-bye.
	Okay.
	Alright, so... What was it?
	There was a good line in there.
	From her?
	For Matt, let's go, the GOP needs an autopsy.
	I like that.
	Yeah, that is good.
	And then...
	Hang on, for her... Yes.
	The BLM... What did she call it?
	Whatever she called it is race something.
	What did she call it?
	Race... Well, you said race hockster.
	You said ethnic hockster.
	I did, but she said something else.
	Whatever she called it, right?
	So just check it out, whatever she called it.
	Okay.
	And then Giuliani.
	They've got nothing on Rudy.
	How about that?
	Is that a good title?
	Yeah, I think that's good.
	And then Lilit.
	What was the best one there?
	Grow a Spine.
	Grow a Spine, America.
	Grow a Spine, America.
	Excellent.
	Good.
	And Knowles.
	And Knowles.
	Ooh, how about this?
	Free speech is not the answer.
	Ooh, I like that.
	Let's get spicy.
	That's what I think he's gonna say.
	We can predict, we can predict the ways of the Mr. Knowles.
	Or at least Seb can.
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	Okay, um, let's have some fun.
	Mittens Mitt Romney.
	Does he still exist?
	I guess so.
	Here's a little cut how he explains how the world works.
	Cut six.
	Well, the people that are more expert than I do believe that the kind of weather patterns we're seeing are the result of climate change.
	And I have no reason to disagree with that.
	Clearly, we're seeing heat and drought, which is of real concern in the American West and in other parts of the world.
	And we need to undertake efforts globally to make sure that we're not contributing to more warming of the planet.
	Can I just repeat for you what he just said?
	He said, People smarter than me are saying that weather patterns are creating climate change.
	As opposed to what?
	Hot dogs?
	Hot dogs are creating climate change?
	Custard biscuits are creating climate change?
	You're saying weather is creating weather?
	Thank you Pierre, that was deep.
	Let's talk about something far more important.
	Jonathan Turley, not exactly a big MAGA conservative, was on Fox News and he said something that maybe the DOJ, maybe the Biden administration is paying attention to, or maybe not.
	And it was a little bit of a warning about their cases against Georgia.
	Cut seven!
	I'm highly skeptical, and I think that they may ultimately regret this move.
	It could indeed clarify this issue in the way that the Biden administration does not want.
	Now, the Democrats often attack the judges that rule against them the way that, frankly, the Trump administration sometimes did.
	But this is a very dubious case, in my view, because the Georgia law has great overlap with other states, like Delaware.
	Voter identification, as an example, is extremely popular with voters.
	Right.
	And you now see a lot of Democratic members beginning to say, really, we're not questioning that anymore.
	President Biden was corrected by papers like the Washington Post for misrepresenting aspects of the Georgia law.
	So here's what he's saying.
	Sometimes you bring a case.
	Why?
	To clarify what the state of the law is.
	And that's exactly what Biden's DOJ with that oxygen thief Merrick Garland at the top may do when they bring their case against Georgia.
	They'll realize That it truly is the states that have the power and run our elections.
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	You know, I'm going to have to look into the regulations, because...
	First Clavin for an hour.
	Now that other guy, what's his name?
	Knowles or something.
	And I don't get to have a cigar in studio.
	These are my cigar buddies.
	We'll have to look into that.
	Shall I check out the regs?
	Let's welcome, he's got a brand new book from my publisher, Regnery.
	So excited to invite onto America First, The Daily Wise, Mike Knowles.
	Welcome, Mike!
	Seb, great to be with you as always.
	I wish we were together being able to chomp down on a stogie during this one, but I suppose next time in person.
	We'll work it out.
	We'll make it happen.
	You gotta come to the swamp to talk to that guy Cruz.
	Tom, no, Ted Cruz.
	So when you're next in the swamp, we'll work on that.
	We'll make that happen.
	Does he smoke cigars?
	He, of course, as a good Cuban-American, he is very much a purveyor.
	All right.
	So you, me, Clavin, will have some fun.
	All right.
	The reason for having you on my show today is you've written a book, this time with words in it.
	So congratulations this time.
	I'm not joking, guys.
	If you don't know, he's a mega, mega bestseller.
	It was reasons to vote for Democrats or something like that and it was 260 pages of blank pages.
	It was genius.
	I mean utter genius and he actually got paid to do that.
	I've sweated bullets writing three books.
	He wrote a book with no words in it and made a lot of money.
	But hey, It's America!
	It's the American dream.
	This book is called Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.
	It's out.
	Order it right now.
	It is iconoclastic in its approach because from, you can get, all right, take it off the screen.
	I want to see Mike.
	Thank you.
	It's different in its approach because unless, You don't agree with what your press people have sent me.
	The first line is, the culture war is over and the culture is lost.
	Let's begin there with that rosy optimistic view of America.
	Is it that bad, Mike Knowles?
	You know, a friend of mine has described the conservative pessimist as someone who says things can't get any worse, and a conservative optimist as someone who says, oh yes they can, and I think that's very much the position that we are taking here.
	It's this really, I think there is one little glimmer of hope, which we can get to.
	But it's a terrible situation where political correctness, now we call it wokeness or cancel culture, but it's the same old scourge, has been upon us for, I think, about 100 years.
	We've been aware of it for about 30 to 40 years.
	We've been fighting vigorously against it.
	And bizarrely, the harder we fight, the more political correctness seems to advance, tremendously.
	Trump in 2016 said PC was destroying our country, identified it as the greatest threat to the country.
	I think he's right, but I think we've basically fallen for a trap.
	I think PC lays a trap for conservatives, whereby either of the two major ways in which we react ultimately advance the left's purpose.
	You got the squishes who acquiesce to the new standards, so obviously they advance it, and you've got the more stalwart conservatives who say that they are, I don't know, Free speech absolutists or something.
	They oppose PC by throwing away standards altogether.
	And either way, the traditional standards of our culture are abandoned, nature abhors a vacuum, wokeness moves in, and we lose.
	Right, so this is why this book is exciting, because...
	It says something that needs to be said that nobody else, apparently even in the warrior class on the right, is prepared to say that, you know, the answer to political correctness is more speech.
	Wrong!
	It's not free speech absolutism because that's exactly like a jujitsu, you know, judoka.
	They use that attitude against you to strengthen political correctness.
	So just let me just, if you'll indulge me dear friends, let's talk about what the book says.
	He describes, Michael describes the PC trap thusly.
	It is ironic that, no let's start here, irony lies at the heart of political correctness.
	To call something quote politically correct is to acknowledge that it is not Correct, at least by the standards of reality.
	A man in a dress is a man.
	But according to political correctness, he's a transwoman.
	A term with the same ironic structure.
	To call someone a transwoman is to acknowledge that he is Not a woman.
	Conservatives have failed to thwart political correctness because most do not understand what it is.
	Now hopefully I have passed my audition to do the audio book for Michael Knowles next time.
	Call me.
	But seriously, this is the heart of the matter.
	And let me just illustrate it from my perspective.
	I don't understand how people who are good conservatives In front of me and on social media, talk about his husband.
	And I go, hang on a second!
	You're a conservative and you use the phrase marriage to describe a man and a man or a woman and a woman.
	Is this the trap that we're falling into, Michael?
	You know, the left will always tell us, who cares about the pronouns?
	And you hear the squished conservatives say that too.
	Who cares about these little words?
	It's all a distraction from the really important issues of the next tax cut or something.
	And I think, well...
	The left seems to care about the pronouns.
	The left cares a lot.
	That's why they're investing so much time and energy and money into them.
	And this semantic trap, I think, is something that we need to acknowledge.
	It's something the left has known for a very long time.
	Namely, all societies have standards.
	All societies have taboos.
	Some things are going to be off-limits, some things are not.
	From the beginning of our country, there have been whole swaths of speech that have been off-limits.
	Threat, sedition, obscenity, fighting words, fraud, all sorts of things.
	Now, we have a broad, wonderful free speech tradition here, but what the left has done is weaponize that free speech tradition against free speech itself.
	They did this at Berkeley in the 1960s.
	They launched the Free Speech Movement.
	And it was aimed at destroying traditional standards.
	Now, as you know, Berkeley is one of the hottest places in the country for censorship.
	Because once they destroyed the traditional standards, they then reimposed this new woke standard in its place.
	So I think that conservatives need to learn a very important word, which is no.
	Just as you say, when we are net, we have to refer to a man as she, or we need to... all these kind of crazy things.
	We need to say, no.
	Language is naturally bounded, it has some relation to reality, and we are not going to permit the left, by redefining all the words, to attempt to redefine reality.
	We are going to stand up and say, there actually is such a thing as truth, and we're going to embrace and enforce those standards.
	So, have you come to some determination, we're talking to Michael Knowles of the Daily Wire, follow him at Michael J. Knowles, listen to his podcast, the book is speechless.
	Have you come to some determination that There is a reason why we fell into this trap?
	I mean, you're a man of faith, you're a Catholic as I am.
	Is it a lack of knowledge of first principles and first things that people who say they're conservatives don't actually argue for objective truth and say, hang on a second, we're not free speech absolutists, we're truth absolutists.
	Have you found the crux of why we fell into the trap?
	Absolutely, that is the case.
	We have, and crux I think is actually an important word here, because we do need to get down to these religious principles, and we do need to recognize that there is an objective truth, and if there isn't, by the way, then all of our speech is completely meaningless.
	I know that a lot of left-wing academics, that I detail actually, in Speechless, In the 1960s and 70s tried to convince us that there is no such thing as truth.
	But if there's not, then the whole process of self-government is basically impossible.
	It will descend from a political society into just warring tribes who club each other over the head, which is, I think, a pretty accurate description of politics in 2021.
	So there's that issue.
	We've lost first principles and why we believe what we purportedly believe.
	But the other aspect is we don't have courage.
	We've forgotten, I think, that courage is not just a virtue, but actually the prerequisite for all of the other virtues.
	The other virtues don't mean anything if you don't have the courage to actually stand by them.
	And so even among people who claim to be conservative now, You will have sometimes people say look we can't oppose drag queen story hour because You know if we tell perverts that they can't work for toddlers at the local library Why by golly they'll tell us we can't go to church on Sunday, and I think first of all they're already telling us We can't go to church on Sunday, and they did that for about a year during coronavirus, but also I
	If we really don't have the moral conscience and the faculties of reason to see the difference between those two things, then we're giving up self-government.
	You know, John Adams famously said that the Constitution is built for a moral and religious people.
	He wasn't being a scold.
	He wasn't being superstitious.
	He was observing an undeniable fact of politics, especially of republics, which is if we can't think about things and talk about them to one another in a way that's somewhat objective, then we can't rule ourselves.
	The book is Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.
	The author is Michael Knowles of The Daily Wire.
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	I hate it when people who are writing an important book have such, you know, pathetic endorsements on the back of their book.
	I mean, people like, oh, I don't know, Dan Bongino, Candice Owens, Mike Pompeo.
	Can you just try harder next time, Mike Knowles, please?
	The book is Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.
	I want to continue exactly where we left off with our response to this.
	I mean, it is truly Orwellian.
	When you're saying a person with a penis is a woman, then you're living in la-la-land, in this bizarro world.
	How do you respond to those conservatives who say, But we can't respond by saying that's wrong or saying no, because then we become the arbiters of cancel culture.
	What's your response, Michael?
	You hear this so often, they'll say, well, if we cancel communists, you know, like we did in the 1950s, why, then, we'll be just like the people who cancel anti-communists.
	And I say, well, okay, you're right about the formal aspect here, you're right about what it kind of looks like procedurally, but actually there's a substantive difference.
	And conservatives used to understand that substance matters to politics as well.
	But unfortunately, for the past several decades, we really have not offered much of a substantive vision of politics.
	We will defend free speech in the abstract much of the time, but we never seem to get down to the nitty-gritty.
	And the fact is that free speech in the abstract doesn't mean anything for people who have nothing to say.
	So we need to figure out actually what we believe And what standards we will embrace, because otherwise we totally cede the field to the left.
	With a slight trepidation that this is going to get tautologous very, very quickly, but when you say there's no substance, or hasn't been for decades, for conservative politics, I am reminded by what we said at the beginning of the show.
	It's as if we've forgotten the first principles of conservatism.
	So it seems as if there's a circularity to our weakness that, you know, form has become everything, and maybe taking for granted that people should understand the substance?
	Is that our problem?
	Or is it deeper?
	Well, I think we've really just fallen for a trick.
	You know, I suspect, and actually I know because people have already lobbed this criticism, that people are going to call me, as a result of this book, illiberal, authoritarian, fascist.
	I mean, look, they say that when I blow my nose, so this is a kind of regular occurrence, but they're going to say that.
	And as I trace in Speechless, John Locke, the founder of liberalism, ...was far less liberal than the sort of things that I'm proposing in this book.
	John Milton, the author of the most famous defense of free speech in the English language.
	Much less liberal than the modest reforms that I am proposing.
	What I am simply proposing is that we need to recognize that speech has limits.
	William F. Buckley Jr., who is probably as mainstream a conservative as ever there was, in his book, God and Man at Yale, which basically founded the post-war conservative movement, Everyone remembers that name, but very few people remember the subtitle, which is The Superstitions of Academic Freedom.
	In that book, Buckley calls academic freedom a hoax, a farce.
	He says it's basically just a trick pushed forward by the left to undermine, in Buckley's view, Christianity and free markets.
	And what he points out there is That the Yale Department of Sociology would never hire a neo-Nazi to lecture on the superiority of the Aryan race.
	Nor should it.
	It would contradict the university's mission.
	Nobody would like that to be the case.
	Any classroom is going to keep certain ideas out of the classroom.
	If you teach that 2 plus 2 equals 4, you are not going to teach that 2 plus 2 equals 5.
	And if a student puts that on a paper, you're going to punish him with a bad grade.
	The same is true of history.
	The same is true of literature, even.
	There are certain things that are true and certain things that are false.
	And what the left tricked us into is believing that actually we can't know the truth value of anything.
	And then what they did, once they had totally hollowed out our confidence and self-understanding, is they just imposed their own radical and perverse vision of the world on us.
	And so I think conservatives need to recognize that there are necessarily going to be limits to speech, Limits to the classroom.
	You're seeing this now begin to play out with the banning of critical race theory from classrooms.
	And you're noticing, here's my glimmer of hope, that the ordinary American, middle of the road or conservative even, of all sorts of races, they're showing up to their school boards and they're saying, get this poison out of the classroom.
	And all too often, supposed Republican leaders, conservative leaders are the ones who are going in and defending CRT as though it has a right to be in the classroom, which it does not.
	The book is Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds by our guest Michael Knowles.
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	Let me do the devil's advocate.
	I hate doing that, but it's the automatic question you're going to be asked anyway.
	Who is the arbiter?
	In the current cases we're witnessing, it's great.
	It's the people pushing back on the school boards or running for the school boards, so representative government is the answer.
	But what about those who say, Well, who's going to say what can or cannot be said in the classroom, Michael?
	I think you and I, Seb, would be a pretty good start, and that'd be a good one.
	But I think that more broadly, yes, we can have some deference to the people who have a great deal of power, or they're at least supposed to have a great deal of power in a democratic society.
	I suppose that's been taken away a little bit by progressive technocrats for the past hundred years, a process I also diagnose and detail in Speechless.
	But, moreover, I'm seeing three schools of thought on how to decide these important moral questions.
	You know, sometimes we hear that you can't legislate morality, which is a preposterous slogan, because all laws legislate morality.
	Whether you're talking about the death penalty or you're talking about parking tickets, you are making arguments that refer to the moral order, and then we're enacting that in the civil law.
	So there are kind of three schools of thought here.
	There is the really squish version, which the conservatives have been peddling for some time now, and I think it's totally bankrupt.
	Namely, that we can't say that anything is good, and anything is true, and we can't make distinctions between those things.
	You know, that would be the drag queen story hour versus the church argument.
	Then I think there's a very, very reactionary point of view, which says that we can know these things with certainty, and we must enforce a sort of very rigid code that is not totally found in the American tradition.
	But it may be wonderfully true, but it seems very, very radical.
	And that's the much more hardcore conservative point of view.
	And I would like to propose a third way, if I might.
	It's a moderation, at least in the virtuous sense of that word, I suggest we use our prudence.
	Prudence is a deeply conservative virtue.
	Edmund Burke talks about it at great length.
	But now the ideologues on both sides have totally taken prudence out of our politics.
	Everything has to be a clear ideology and a five-point plan on a napkin.
	But I think the way that we should Stop!
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	We are back with the author of Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, the host of the Michael Knowles podcast.
	I don't know what his name is.
	Anyway, just look up Michael Knowles podcast.
	Michael, you said prudence.
	You said between these two responses to cancel culture and political correctness, we've got the useless rhino squish.
	Oh, Freedom of speech and anything goes.
	More speech will always be better.
	Vice the counter-revolutionary.
	No, we will dictate what is right and what is wrong.
	And you said there's something in the middle called prudence, which is an ancient, ancient concept.
	Explain to our listeners what prudence would look like in reality if we had it.
	Prudence in reality would look back at the American tradition of speech and figure out what sort of things have worked well over time.
	It might look to the wisdom of our forebears who gave us this culture, see where things went a little wrong, where things went a little right.
	It's not as ideologically satisfying, and I know that'll irritate a lot of people, but I think it is a very important guide to action.
	I think it is perhaps the conservative virtue.
	And so, for instance, you look, there are some people now who say that we have some God-given natural right to stream porn on our cell phones at all hours of the day or something like that.
	And you know, gosh darn it, if we have any limitation on porn, why then, you know, James Madison would roll over in his grave.
	That's what the revolution was fought for.
	And I think That's obviously untrue.
	There were huge laws against obscenity for virtually all of our country's history.
	We still actually have a lot of them on the books today.
	And as recently as a dozen years ago, we threw a pornographer in prison for almost four years just for obscenity.
	He didn't have child pornography.
	He didn't rape anybody.
	It was just obscene content.
	And the argument for that, by the way, for obscenity laws, and certainly for laws against Uh, fraud or threats or something like that, is that we want to protect our liberty.
	And I think we've made a huge mistake today on the right.
	We've taken another trap from the left that I talk about in Speechless, which is, we have confused liberty and licentiousness.
	Yes!
	We believe, right now, we believe the modern liberal view that freedom is being able to do whatever we want to do whenever we want.
	When in fact, Liberty, as Lord Acton puts it very well, is actually the right to do what we ought to do.
	So to bring that down to earth, what that means is, in the modern liberal view that the libs completely convinced the right to adopt, the heroin addict is the most free man on earth.
	As long as he's got a buck in his pocket, especially if he's got liberal heroin drug laws, and he can shoot up, why, by golly, he's so free, isn't he?
	No.
	I think we both know that man is a slave.
	That he is a slave to his basest passions and appetites.
	And actually, true freedom is when you tamp down on those base passions, and you learn to make sense of your own will.
	I mean, this is what liberal education once was.
	Which has also been totally hollowed out.
	True liberty requires limits.
	And conservatives have really just wanted to have their cake and eat it too, and say that anything goes, and say, you know, we're the party of yes, yes, yes, and do whatever you want, just let me keep my money and cut my taxes.
	And that's just not going to sustain a political movement.
	It's not going to sustain a country.
	It's why the statues are falling down all around us.
	To that end, we've only got 60 seconds in this segment, how corrosive an influence is libertarianism to true conservatism?
	It's terribly corrosive.
	And I want to say, in deference to the libertarians, what masquerades as libertarianism today is even worse.
	It's just this sort of tawdry, shallow licentiousness from people who want to sleep with whomever they want and still bomb the Middle East.
	And I just think we need to return to a deeper conservative tradition that's actually animated the best stuff in our country's history.
	Oh, dear.
	We're going to be in trouble now.
	But I do like that.
	I do like that definition of libertarianism.
	Getting to sleep with whoever you want and still bombing the Middle East whenever you want.
	That's Michael Knowles.
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	We are back with my friend, my cigar buddy from the Daily Wire, Michael J. Knowles on Twitter.
	He is the author of a brand new book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.
	One thing we have to discuss, Michael, is the origins, the origins of political correctness.
	And you really point to The dastardly, not just Lenin, not just the Soviet, but the Asiatic Communist roots.
	I see your book is read.
	Go a little bit deeper for us, Michael.
	Mao, Mr. Mao, Mr. Chairman Mao, is one of the really significant figures here.
	Because there are a lot of culprits.
	Going all the way back, Karl Marx calls for the ruthless criticism of all that exists.
	You see the later communist theorist, very important theorist, Antonio Gramsci, start to formulate these ideas for cultural hegemony.
	A war of position, later called the Long March, through the institutions.
	You get critical theory in the Frankfurt School.
	Now we talk a lot about critical race theory, which is a derivation of that.
	I talk about these things in Speechless.
	Then you get the New Left in the 1960s, and Herbert Marcuse of the Frankfurt School is the leader of that, the father of the New Left.
	All of this really explodes in the 1960s into the mainstream because of the translation into English of Mao's Little Red Book.
	Mao's agenda And what it meant for American leftist radicals was very important to their takeover of the culture, and ultimately their inversion of our culture.
	You know, in the 1960s then, this student radical, Rudy Dutschke, reads this older theorist, Gramsci, through the lens of Mao, and he says that they need to engage in the long march through the institutions.
	And so the left has infiltrated every single institution in the country, not just the universities, but corporate America, big tech, the administrative government, the list goes on and on and on, and it has transformed them to their own ideological ends.
	The one thing though, Seb, that I don't want to sound like a total doer pessimist, I do think there's this glimmer of hope, which is the left controls the institutions, but Ordinary common people are coming back.
	They're pushing up against this stuff on the radical gender theories.
	You saw a woman who just went viral for recording herself arguing with a spa manager and saying, there's a man changing in the ladies room.
	I don't want to see that and I don't want that man to see me.
	You know, pushing back against this.
	The parents pushing back against the school bards and critical race theory.
	People pushing back against these ideologies throughout the culture.
	I think that the American people still possess some common sense.
	But I think that they have been overwhelmed by leftist domination of the institutions and by conservative collapse by those squishes acquiescing to the new standards and not standing up for anything.
	So I think the American people still have common sense.
	They just need to be empowered and encouraged to state those plain views.
	State what is true against what is false.
	State what is good against what is bad and have their political leaders actually stand up and enforce those sort of standards that the people broadly are calling for.
	I asked your colleague this question, Galactic Grandmaster Andrew Klavan, and I think, look, I'm convinced of this, and I wonder if you share my take, that it's beautiful, every single day there's another video from a parent or a teacher pushing back on the insanity, the bigotry, the racism of critical race theory at a school board meeting, but I think
	The real, you know, the Damascene moment for most people who are not political or don't consider themselves up to this point to have been political is the radical transgender agenda being forced upon them and their children.
	That's going to be the seminal moment when the worm turns.
	Do you concur?
	I totally agree, and it's not, you know, the transgender moment is just the kind of flourishing of so many of these ideas that go back much further, you know.
	I talk about, in Speechless, how much the second-wave feminists of the 1970s contributed to this anti-culture that we have.
	You know, they famously said, a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.
	And it's a pretty short leap from the second-wave feminists saying that there's no meaningful difference between men and women to, say, the radical redefinition of marriage.
	Which came at the hands of that romantic poet, Anthony Kennedy, on the Supreme Court.
	But he's sure if a man and a woman are exactly the same, then there's no reason not to redefine marriage and have it include two men or two women.
	And if that's true, then it's only a short leap to transgenderism, which says a man can become a woman and a woman can become a man.
	And ultimately, this is just an attempt to radically redefine reality.
	And do so by redefining all of the terms.
	It goes back to what the ex-communist Whitaker Chambers referred to as the great alternative faith of mankind that began in the Garden of Eden when the serpent said, ye shall be as gods.
	This totally willful attempt to deny reality and reason.
	That's what you're seeing parents and a lot of ordinary Americans Pushing back against.
	And we need conservative leaders to finally stand up and get on board with what these ordinary Americans have already understood.
	Namely, there is truth.
	Truth deserves preferential treatment over falsehood.
	And we need to be able to call it what it is and stand up for that.
	Socialism, communism, utopianism, Greta Thunberg's green ideal, AOC, it's nothing new.
	It begins with that religion that started in the Garden of Eden, when humans said, we are the center of reality.
	We're talking to the author of Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, follow him right now, Michael J. Knowles on Twitter.
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	Who let this guy onto my e-segment?
	That's the close of the show!
	That's when we have mini-monologues and stuff.
	Alright, he's my cigar buddy.
	Michael Knowles, he's the author of Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.
	Get the book now and follow him, Michael J. Knowles.
	Michael, a question that I ask all of my guests, especially those who, you know, have demonstrated their willingness to stand up and have a spine.
	My contention is, especially under the last year of COVID, the biggest flaw, the biggest problem we have, I don't care what your pet rock is, freedom of speech, second amendment, first amendment, the border, culture of life, it's courage, Mike, isn't it?
	We lack courage.
	We lack courage, and it's not just a sort of... Well actually, I suppose I am saying that I want to encourage people.
	It's a little bit of a pep talk in here, because to encourage someone means to have them take heart.
	We really need to understand that it matters That we win.
	It matters that we risk ourselves and win.
	So much of the problem with the Never Trump movement in 2016 seemed to me that people, I understand that people have objections to Donald Trump, but it seemed that people were unwilling to take the moral risk to oppose Hillary Clinton.
	They weren't willing to go out on a limb and say, we're going to back this guy and maybe you think he's got flaws or whatever, but obviously he's much, much better than Hillary Clinton.
	They didn't want to do that.
	They preferred to, quote, lose with dignity.
	And I find that people who want to lose with dignity caucus generally doesn't have a whole lot of dignity about them when they do it.
	But there's nothing noble or virtuous about losing in that way.
	We actually have to score victories here because This is real life.
	Real people will be affected by that.
	The country, I think, is really something worth preserving.
	I like my way of life, and I like my fellow countrymen.
	And it pains me to see them lose and lose and lose.
	So I want to stand up here, because that is a good thing.
	It is the prerequisite for all of the other virtues.
	And if a Republican or a conservative doesn't get that, frankly, with conservatives like that, no one has any need of Democrats.
	No, and it's, you know, I said this before, I'll say it again, I'll say it as long as I got breath in my body.
	It's un-American.
	Surrender.
	The idea that America isn't worth it or that we have to be polite and if we lose it's okay.
	No, the founding fathers were robust in their love of objective truth.
	They didn't dilute it when things got tough.
	They just got more committed to fighting for those values.
	The book is speechless, controlling words, controlling minds, written by our buddy from the Daily Wire, Michael Knowles, Follow him right now, Michael J. Knowles.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
	Keep your head on a swivel.
	Watch your six.
	Hold the line.
	Never give up.
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