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Nov. 7, 2019 - Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes
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S02E83 - STONE TRIAL (DAY 2)
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We're here in the district court watching Roger Stone get pilloried for the crime of supporting Trump and helping Trump to win the election.
I'm going to talk to Enrique from Proud Boys, Joe Biggs from our own FreeSpeech.tv, Rex Jones, Alex Jones' son, was in the courtroom and it's weird because you're seeing Alex Jones presented as evidence, Roger Stone on InfoWars.
And then a really interesting guy named Mike Caputo who has been working with Trump since he was a teenager and is now verboten.
It's literally illegal for Mike to talk to his friend Roger Stone.
So this trial is relevant, not because of Roger Stone or what he did or Julian Assange.
This trial is relevant because we're seeing what tyranny is.
We're seeing what happens when the government decides they don't like someone.
And this includes the president's friends.
What's with the white space?
So you could hold it.
Why?
Your hands here and you won't obscure the image.
The same thing for this one here.
So you didn't make them properly, basically.
Oh, they're totally proper.
I mean, you've got to give him credit for a very quick response to that.
Almost as though we'd forgotten to film the first time around.
Already roasted him for it.
He'd come up with an answer after some umming and ahing, and now the second time he's prepared.
feels slightly that way.
We're here with Rex Jones.
Rex, how you doing, sir?
Pretty good.
What about you?
Good to finally meet you.
Good to finally meet you, too.
This trial has just been an ordeal.
Sitting through the testimony of that FBI witness who just suddenly became a consultant after 14 years of working for the FBI.
That was really curious.
So let's take a step back here.
This is Rex Jones.
He's Alex Jones' son.
Howdy.
17-year-old man who was just dumped by his girlfriend for cheating.
This is true.
Do you think you're ever going to Do you think you guys will get back together?
I don't think so.
No, it was her best friend.
Her best friend, did she catch you with texts or how did she find out?
I told her.
I felt bad about it.
It was a mistake.
But we're past that now and we're working on more important stuff like this trial.
Been here for a while.
Okay, that seems like a really bad move, but I guess when you're young, you make mistakes.
So we were just watching, it's day two of the trial, we were just watching an FBI consultant, Michelle Taylor, get up there, and she was talking about all the times Roger Stone has indicated that he has influence over Assange.
Yeah, he's communicated with Assange, he's talked to Assange.
She's sitting there, she's smiling, had a real shit-inning grin.
And I don't know, she's got a bad vibe from it.
Well, I've never heard the term ex-FBI agent before.
Yeah, it's not exactly a career you leave.
It's like saying, ha, ex-Wall Street executive.
She was in there for 14 years, then she magically stopped, six years away from her pension, and got a job as a consultant.
So it makes sense to me, actually.
It seems like something totally rational that someone that was part of a huge investigation, tons of publicity, and had a high-power job, would just suddenly leave and become a consultant just so that she can testify in a case.
It makes total sense to me.
I don't see anything wrong with it.
And if you see something wrong with it, then quite frankly, I think that you are delusional and a conspiracy theorist and should be banned off the internet.
Well, the guy who did it, Sawinski, he was a HuffPo writer.
Oh, it all makes sense now.
The only person I'd trust more than a HuffPo writer would be a Jezebel writer or a BuzzFeed writer.
And especially the ones that make the lists.
It is weird that these fucking losers are running the show now.
Like, you have the prosecution is a HuffPo blogger.
And there he is in the courtroom with this woman who clearly left the FBI to destroy Roger Stone.
She got a great gig by devoting her career to frying him.
How did you feel when you're sitting there and they're playing clips of Roger Stone?
And there's your dad on InfoWars?
Well, I've kind of grown up used to that.
You know, people show me memes and stuff all the time.
But seeing that in like a court of law, it's really shocking to me.
It is.
It's just really thought-provoking.
But this entire scenario is just really screwed up and really fishy.
The jury is just a fleet of middle-aged women.
Yes.
There's three men.
Two of them look gay.
There's maybe one or two black women, but they have shaved heads.
And what that means to me is I'm not interested in getting a man.
Well, when I went to the Clinton rally, not rally, the book signing in Austin in the armored tank with my dad last weekend.
I saw that.
That was great.
Where the fuck did you get that thing?
Dude, it's awesome.
I'll tell you about it later.
But anyway, so when we went to the rally, book signing, why am I saying rally?
She's so lame, she doesn't have rally.
She has book signings.
We went to the book signing.
The line of her potential voters, her fans, are all these 40 to 7-year-old white ladies who hate themselves because they didn't have kids.
And they stand in line and get their book signed.
And that's who I saw on the jury.
I saw the same faces that I saw pulling up to that event.
It's a certain type.
I call them balls, boomer-angry woman liberals.
And these women just seem to be vindictive.
The boomer horde, yeah, they're everywhere.
And they're pissed because they didn't have good lives and they didn't have enough kids.
They wanted they're here for revenge.
They're here for your rights.
And if you don't like it, you're a racist.
Yeah.
And this judge, she seems to have an axe to grind.
She's a boomer-angry woman liberal.
She's the Obama-era judge, I think, too.
Yes, yes, she is.
Always a good sign.
There's not one Republican on the jury.
There's not one Catholic on the jury.
There's not one working class person on the jury.
No one in that jury drinks Budweiser.
No one in that jury has had sore feet after a hard day's work.
Zero.
Did you see the one, especially a feminine dude, who kept on rolling his eyes?
Yes, yes.
He's a member of a gay marathon club, like a track and field gay group where it runs around in, I assume, very short shorts.
Hey, maybe he'll be good at running away from the truth.
We'll see.
It's going to get nuts.
Well, they had two Republicans on the jury that got killed, kicked out.
Not killed, but that wouldn't surprise me.
You never know.
This is D.C. Yes, but it could be short-lived.
Those Republicans were booted immediately, and these are Republicans who voted for Reagan.
So you could have worked for the Obama administration.
You can have a husband who's a lawyer who works in the Department of Justice.
There's no conflict of interest there.
That's fine.
There's no such thing as conflict of interest unless you have conservative values.
You know what the judge said yesterday?
She said, well, these people work for the government, and I'm sure that looks like they might be biased.
But Trump is the head of the government.
So in that sense, he's like their boss.
So maybe they have more of an allegiance to him.
Who knows?
That's like saying because Peter Strzz worked for the government, that he has allegiance to Trump.
Exactly.
This entire thing is just a circus.
It's Alice in Wonderland levels of crazy.
And everyone in this town just reeks of corruption and fraud and ill intent.
Having this trial in D.C. is a huge mistake.
2% of people in D.C. voted for Trump.
They hate him here.
That doesn't sound fair.
No.
That doesn't sound fair at all.
I think a jury should represent the genders and beliefs and races of the country.
They should be like 14% black.
They should be like about half working class.
They should be 50-50 male and female.
We can have a gay and a trans in there if you want.
Don't throw men, like roll the dice.
Sure.
But this is 100% DNC Hillary Rodham Clinton.
It's true.
It's completely manipulated.
It's completely run that way because they control the court systems.
They control the justice system.
They control the Congress.
They control our entire government.
So they can do whatever they want, especially in this town.
And you're not allowed to have an opinion on it.
Well, I'm sorry you have to get such stark, raving truth so early in your life.
Hey, man.
Not really.
I didn't have a choice.
I was kind of born into it.
So we'll see how it goes.
Hopefully it goes well.
Thanks for coming.
Good talking to you, man.
Cheers.
That handshake sucks.
Yeah, I got tired of my midget pants.
I got to get planted.
I got to get planted first.
Okay.
That good?
That's a good one.
Look at it.
It's got a touch in there.
You know what a good move to do is?
You go, oh man, Rex Jones, this guy's awesome.
You got to meet this guy, man.
Come here, dude.
What are the fucking trying to do?
You're going like you're doing a big handshake, but then you give them a dead fish.
No, no, no, no, no.
You go, what's up?
And then you go like that.
Gotta do this shit.
Where's the wall?
What the fuck is this?
He's too old.
He's too old.
What do you do after this?
Just stay there?
Oh, come out.
I don't understand the 55 minutes there.
First person who blinks dies.
Jeffrey Buff killed himself.
Jeffrey F. killed himself.
Hello, everyone.
I'm here with FreeSpeech.tv King, Joe Biggs, and he is here in DC.
Yep.
You found me.
You're here for the trial.
Yeah, we're here for the trial.
We're here to support Roger Stone.
Let him know that he's got friends and family that care about him.
You know, I've worked with him here and there quite a bit over the years.
Him and I both have endorsed candidates and stuff like that and spoken.
So I've gotten to know him quite a bit over the last four years.
So I want him to know that we're here for him.
He's a solid dude.
It's funny hearing all his texts because we've been in the courtroom hearing all his texts and emails where he's telling people to go fuck themselves.
This is going to be really bad shit for Hillary.
She's screwed and stuff like that.
It's incongruous because the rest of the fucking trial is so boring.
I was talking to one of his lawyers today who said he could get 30 years for this.
Wow.
Because it's like five things that could be whatever it is, two and a half years each or something.
That doesn't add up to 30, but it's one of those like six counts of three years kind of thing.
Gotcha.
Yeah, it's insane, man.
I mean, you can tell by the people that are the jurors that they're out to get them.
Just when you see that lineup alone right there, you already know it's a rigged game.
You know there's not going to be any justice with this at all.
And it's just another attempt to go after Donald Trump to try to delegitimize the 2016 election.
And it's pretty sickening that they're willing to destroy people's lives over this.
All because a guy who isn't part of the corrupt system is coming in the clean house and all these people want to keep that power and they want to keep that way of governing things is by having dirt on everyone and having them be bad so they can use that against them to manipulate them so they vote certain ways and all that.
Trump's not allowing that to happen and that's why all these people are going down.
We've seen it with Flynn, same guys that are the same lady, the first juror they picked to work for the DOJ national security thing.
She's part of the same group that went after Flynn and Papadopoulos and all that.
So you already know it's screwed.
Oh, is this the one with the lawyer husband?
Yep.
Unbelievable.
Yeah.
How do you feel as a vet?
You fought for this country.
You were willing to die for this country.
It must be especially discouraging to be in a place where justice is totally ignored.
Yeah, it should be called the Department of Injustice or whatever.
It's just like there's nothing here.
And it really are, you know, when you see this kind of stuff happening, you're really spitting on the graves of the men and women who fought to get us here because we were supposed to get away from all that stuff.
We were supposed to come here and create this, you know, new world that was going to be, you know, a land of laws.
We were going to do it by the book, be right, hold each other accountable, have integrity.
And it's just, like anything else, you give too much power to men, becomes corrupt and invested.
When we started this, I was joking around saying, oh, this is like Reggio de Calabria.
We live in Sicily now.
But then I thought, no, it's worse.
This is Uganda.
Like, we have a weird despot running the justice system.
And Proud Boy's going to jail for four years for a 17-second fight that was consensual.
And no injuries, really, like, nothing big.
No injuries, no victims.
Antifa did the same thing earlier.
They get probation.
And Max and John, they separate the brown guy from the two White guys.
They make sure they never photograph John's black wife and get pictures of him Ziegheiling when he's going like that.
And you think this is the media controls the show.
The prosecutor is a Huffbowl blogger in this trial.
So we are being run by these petulant little brats.
I saw Will Summer in there and I just said, The reason you're covering all this white nationalist stuff when it's only a tiny fraction of the hate in America is you're a fucking pussy.
We're run by pussies now.
That he's just lazy.
He doesn't look at all the other hates.
The other side has too much hate and he'd actually have a full day at work all the time.
He's like, I'm going to pick the smallest sliver and then we're just going to really magnify that and make it seem like it's the worst.
Meanwhile, like, you know, you got all these other people just getting fucking killed all over the place.
I was like, eh, who cares?
No, thanks.
Well, as you brought up earlier, if you're so into white nationalism and stopping hate, why haven't you looked into the Aryan Brotherhood?
Yeah.
Why don't you care about them?
I mean, they're very popular in prison.
Why don't you go into some prisons and find out who's running the show over there, eh?
I'll get loose every day.
You'd be a little breakfast burrito for them.
Well, Joe, I like you more than a friend.
Thank you for coming on the show.
The fur.
I've been trying to lock you for 10 minutes.
Oh, my God.
No, you can't do it when it's moving.
But fuck you.
Shout out!
Okay, let's go.
Enrique Tario, how are you, sir?
How's it going, bud?
What are you doing here?
Here to support Roger Stone, our brother Roger Stone, and this sham system that we have here.
We're seeing today and yesterday how much of a sham it is.
They got a Fed, an Obama Fed, in the jury.
Yep.
So this is crazy.
Well, when the first juror came on, she was questioning her husband in the DOJ.
I think she might be out now.
But they said, the judge said to her, so you're a lawyer, your husband's a lawyer with the DOJ.
Have you discussed Roger Stone?
And she goes, no.
I'm like, you're lying.
That's a complete lie, especially living in D.C. I know that he was trying to move his court outside of D.C. I mean, this is all politics.
This is hating politics.
Yes, it is.
It's a blue city.
Right.
And it's a deep blue city.
Right.
Well, he gets attacked.
Let's say he has the best lawyers in the world.
It's not going to matter.
No.
The juror hates him, and that's it.
There's not one Republican on the jury.
They are.
In a sense, the decision's already made.
But the weird thing about today was the lawyer says, Stone's lawyer says, look, you pulled him in, you investigated him on Russian collusion.
And you said, did you work with the Russians to hack Hillary's email?
You've since changed that.
That's just been dropped.
And so all the documentation in the courtroom mentions Russia 9 million times.
It barely mentions WikiLeaks.
I think out of 600 pages or something, there was 10 mentions of WikiLeaks.
But now he went, all right, Russia didn't work out.
We're going to make this all about Assange.
And today, when they're saying, all this evidence where Stone wanted Assange to leak Hillary's emails, I'm actually going, yeah, so, so did I. When you grow up as a kid, you go ahead and you're like, oh, the justice system's awesome.
The Constitution's great.
And then the deeper you go down the rabbit hole, you see how it really works.
And that's why we're out here today.
Usually, it's investigate the crime to find the evidence and the person that committed that crime.
What they're doing right now is they're investigating the person for a crime, to find a crime.
Yeah, they start with the conviction first, and then they work backwards and find a crime.
Like the guy who did the Muhammad video, Hillary said, I'm going to put him behind bars to one of the dead soldier's father.
And then he said, but you don't know what the crime is yet.
And then she combed and combed and discovered that he was on probation, and he had violated a term on his probation by using a fake name.
Boom, a year in prison.
And we have become so separated from people that are incarcerated, people with criminal charges, that when we see someone go to jail, we go, fuck, that's a bad guy.
Yeah.
They got a bad guy.
Yeah, and all of this is for a five-day news cycle.
All they want to do is point out that they're going to be a new one.
All they want to do is point at the boogeyman.
They need a boogeyman.
And Roger Stone is that boogeyman.
This is great.
This is a great city.
What's on your head?
I don't understand.
Why wouldn't you just get a haircut?
just get a haircut Come on on camera.
Come here.
on camera.
We can see people in the world.
We're not mean.
Come on camera.
I don't understand what the documenting is.
Is that your weapon?
Don't take a picture of me.
Oh no.
I hate being on camera.
Can you stop taking pictures of me?
Look at your hair.
If your hair is too long, just get a haircut.
Why would you do the top bun?
Why did you get your pants?
You look like a quirky lesbian.
He thinks I'm serious about not wanting to be recorded.
I like how taking out your phone and taking a picture of someone is the new fuck you.
There you go.
We got it.
Your soul is on my phone now.
They're like, we're going to post your fucking address, you homages.
And it's like, he's in a good place.
It's all over the place anyways.
I caught him in my phone.
I was so brave, but then I just did it.
You know, I'm not literally in your phone, right?
It's a photograph.
Anyway, let's get back to the interview.
All right.
He's like, I'm coming back.
That's DC.
So, I was having dinner yesterday and I made an analogy out of it.
It's like me and you own a business, right?
It's a competing business, right?
And I want to take you out of business because you're taking my business.
And I got a friend that's a cop.
And I call him and I'm like, hey, this guy is my competitor, but under his car, he has a kilo of cocaine.
So he goes and he gets his cronies to go pull you over and go find the cocaine.
And while he's finding the cocaine, he finds like, I don't know, a fucking CBD fucking cartridge.
And he's like, all right, we're going to get you for the CBD cartridge.
But in court, they make it seem like it's the Russian collusion.
It's the cocaine.
And that's what they're trying to do.
They're trying to get that five-day news cycle so they have something else on the president.
We saw it with the Russia investigation.
We're seeing it with the impeachment hearings right now with Ukraine.
And we're seeing it with Rogerstone.
We're seeing it with the Proud Boys.
We're seeing it with John and Max.
They're doing four years just to have a boogeyman, just to have that news cycle in order to win an election.
Correct.
And that's what this is about.
It has nothing to do with justice whatsoever.
Antifa are on the side of the DNC, so they don't get charged.
But Proud Boys make Trump look cool, and it seems fun.
No, that cannot happen.
Anything pro-Trump can happen.
So they get four years in prison.
And Roger Stone is sitting up there based on the rumor that he may have told Assange to release the email.
If I want Hillary to get hit by a car, and she gets hit by a car, I don't go to jail.
I had nothing to do with that.
He wanted those leaks to come out.
He said, this is going to be great for Trump.
The leaks came out and now he's going to fucking prison.
What was in the leaks?
What was in the emails?
What was in this phone call you're claiming where he called Julian Assange and said, release the hounds?
You notice that it's also the people that are the most charismatic that they pick up.
It's not like the establishment types that do some fucked up shit.
It's always like the charismatic ones that can actually bring people and make those conversions.
Roger Stone's dangerous.
The Proud Boys are dangerous.
Gavin McGinnis is dangerous.
Laura Loomer's dangerous.
Like these are dangerous individuals to the DNC because we could convince people.
When I grew up, when I thought of politics and I thought of the Republican Party, I thought it was like a whole bunch of old guys with white hair.
Now with this energy that we've gotten with the 2016 election, we got a younger base, more energy.
We're outside the courtroom right now having fun.
Just keeping it.
Riding scooters around like girls.
Riding scooters around like girls.
Well, like a biker gang.
But we're here on like a serious level.
We're here because he's fighting for his life.
They're like essentially wanting to kill them.
Yes.
If he goes away for 20 years.
Amazing, man.
Good picture.
Sure.
You don't seem dressed like a fan.
You've got the same face on your brother.
Oh, yeah, okay.
He's a big fan.
Okay.
Thank you.
Cheers.
Never know out here.
The guy dressing against you from before it felt good.
I'm glad you talked about the justice system being deceitful because, like you, I grew up thinking there's a judge there, there's lawyers, they're all impartial, and then the bad guys get taken away and they are put behind bars.
But you start looking up these people.
You find out the prosecutor worked in Huffington Post.
You find out that this person worked in Hillary campaign.
In New York, we have these grumpy feminist social justice warriors who are in the court system, like Steinglass.
These people are actual activists.
And they're judges now.
Now they're lawyers.
I mean, they were in college when I was in college in the 90s.
And you go, wow, that purple-haired lesbian sure is annoying.
And then 20 or 30 years later, there she is behind the bench coming up with this crazy shit and getting a jury to support her.
The entire jury looks exactly like the judge.
They look like her daughters.
She just birthed them like little clones.
Well, um...
I went to prison.
Yes.
And when people hear that, they go, ex-con Enrique Tario.
And every time anyone says anything like that, I go, do you know what his charge was?
And they never know.
Wasn't it like you were selling diabetic strips?
Yes, I was selling diabetic strips without a license and rebranding and relabeling them, which is no danger to the public or anything.
I did wrong.
I'm not going to say, hey, I didn't do something wrong, right?
Do I think I should have gotten 10 months in prison?
Probably not, but I'm biased.
But whatever.
I did my time, right?
And I got to see the system.
I got to see the system on the inside.
So you knowingly had, this crime is so boring.
You knowingly had diabetic strips.
You need a license to sell those?
I had one license.
I was supposed to have another 10 strips.
That's what I remember it.
Yes, yes.
So they were illegal for a while, and then you didn't get the second license.
Second license.
Yeah.
And it just, it was a shit show.
And that actually showed me a lot.
Like, a lot of people are like, oh, you're a convicted felon.
Yes, I am.
Like, I don't hide it from anybody.
I actually use it to my advantage.
Like, I've been through it.
I've been through this.
I was a little when I was young.
You know, I grew up in a bad neighborhood.
You know, I did a whole bunch of crap, mischievous crap.
And that's why I am the person I am today.
You know, that's what made me the person I am today.
And I learned from those things.
Iceberg Slim said everyone should spend a year in prison and all of society would be better off.
We really need to remember that I don't know how many people are in prison right now, 3.5 million or something like that in America.
I think Democrats are trying to do that right now, but just with Republicans.
They're trying to put everybody in jail.
They are.
And they're throwing them in a cage where if you did that to a dog and treated a dog like that, the conditions Tommy Robinson were in, he could touch either sides of his cell, and he was there 23 and a half hours a day.
His exercise room was the same size, so you could just run in circles.
Couldn't talk to anyone, slowly losing his mind.
If you did that to a dog, you'd be arrested.
We really have fallen out of touch with our fellow man here.
I think so.
I think that's very true.
I think actually, you know what?
I think this system has been broken for a very long time.
Right.
And I think now we're just realizing it.
Now we have the power of social media.
Now we could have exchanged information a lot faster where, you know, a news cycle was the paper on Sunday.
You'd be like, oh, and then the next paper, you forget about what happened the previous Sunday.
Oh, this is what happened this week.
Now with social media, like that stays, even though news cycles are a lot shorter, it stays in the news cycle so you can research these things.
So I think a lot of more people are waking up.
And I think I had a giant awakening a couple months back where like I'm trying to do these things to kind of counter it.
And, you know, I'd see the media pushback.
We'd gain a little bit of ground on it, like our Portland rally.
We gained a little bit of ground on it, but it wasn't enough for what it was.
We're like, okay, let's show Antifa for what they are.
We went over there, we bent a knee in prayer, and we left.
They burned down the city, and I'm like, ha ha, look at this, media, and they're like, oh, yeah, about that.
There's something going on with Trump, and nobody wanted to be.
So I made this decision that in order to enact change, you got to change it from the inside.
So that's why I decided that right now I'm running for Florida's 27th congressional district, and I'm running in there to see if we could put somebody on our team in that seat.
How's it looking?
It's looking really good.
It's a competitive district.
It's not like one of those districts where I'm running.
It's like 70% Democrat.
It's a very competitive district.
I have a very good advantage.
And I've been working in that district for 16 years, so I'm connected to all the Republican clubs and the grassroots groups down there.
You had a thing.
You guys had a thing for Stone.
Yeah, we had a thing for Stone right before he left.
This was on Saturday.
And we put it together.
All his friends, family, supporters came out.
It was awesome.
We had him speak, some grassroots Republican clubs from down there speak.
Loomer spoke.
Oh, yeah, I saw him.
It was just a good event.
Awesome.
It was an awesome.
Aren't you involved in this trial in a way?
Weren't you subpoenaed?
I was subpoenaed, although I can't talk about what that subpoena entails, but you could kind of figure something out in your life.
I can guess, and it won't come from your mouth, but I believe it may have to do with his Instagram account wherein he posted a picture of the judge and said something about her.
And the story, again, the media is so bad at relaying what happens.
My wife will say, but didn't he threaten to kill the judge?
I'll say, no, dear.
The story that was about her, that company, media company's logo is crosshairs.
So there were crosshairs in the picture because it was the media source.
If it was NRA news, there'd be a gun in the picture of the logo.
Not that they have a gun in the picture.
So that was taken as a threat, got the gag order.
And now I guess everyone remotely involved with his Instagram account has to come to court and testify what?
That he was trying to have the judge killed?
I mean, it's so absurd.
All of this shit.
I was watching it this morning and listening to the prosecution's case, their opening statement, and I was like, if I was the judge, I would just go, okay, guilty, slam.
What's the charge?
$1,200 fine?
Like, the charges themselves, even their case, the worst case scenario, you go, okay, what did he do?
Oh, he really wanted Hillary to get her emails leaked.
Really wanted it bad and encouraged Assange to do it.
Guilty.
Okay.
How about a $1,200 fine and probation for six months?
I don't fucking know.
The federal system, the way that the federal system works, I resonate with what he's feeling right now so bad because I went through it.
Right.
The federal system works on like a point system.
So like your charge has an attributed amount of points and those points determine how you're sentenced.
There's a low and a high.
Okay.
Right.
And the judge is supposed to stay within those parameters.
Judging by how biased she is, and it's very rare for a judge to go over those parameters.
Like let's say it's like six months in jail or a year in jail.
Right.
Just judging by how I'm looking at that judge, if he's found guilty, she's going to be like, okay, I'm going to go over the guidelines and we're going to give him four or five years for whatever it is.
I don't know where he falls.
I haven't really researched it where he falls.
And you know what?
I'll do that tonight.
I'll research where he falls on that sentencing guideline so we can kind of get an idea.
It always goes by the highest charge because you run them concurrent.
You run them together.
So whatever the highest charge, that's what he'll get for.
Remember Tucker had a whole montage of people who have done this before, lied to Congress, and it was all slaps on the wrist for every single one of them, if any charges.
This happens all the time.
They asked him 600 questions, he got five wrong.
And now those are the lie number one, lie number two.
Gavin, inside that building right there behind us, right, is a group of people that their whole fucking job is to lie to us.
That's why people get slaps on the wrist because that's what they get pretty much elected for.
You know, they get elected to, you're lying to a body that's whole job is to lie to the American people.
And now at this point in time, it's the Democrats that are lying, right?
And some Republicans, some rhinos are lying to the American people about what the system really is and how it really works.
Yeah.
Thanks, Enrique.
Thank you.
How do you feel about that?
Stolen everything from me that ever meant anything.
There he goes, zipping on into the sunset.
Let's go somewhere else.
All right.
Michael Caputo?
How you doing, man?
Good, good.
How are you?
Good, good.
Your former Trump aide?
Yep.
What's he like, Donald Trump?
Oh, he's a good man.
You know, I've known him since 1989.
I started working with him in politics in 2013.
I couldn't imagine a better person to be the president of the United States in a time when we need to completely clean house in this town.
And you couldn't see any better proof of the fact that the entrenched bureaucracy, the Washington elite, are abusing this nation by watching Roger Stone's trial.
This is the greatest example.
Every patriot should be completely concerned.
It's really bizarre.
We were watching the opening statements today, and all of his allegations seemed fine to me.
Like he's encouraged Assange to release Hillary's emails.
So did I. Right.
So did NBC, ABC, CBS, Washington Post.
They were like, Roger Stone was looking for the emails, but every reporter of the Washington Post was.
Absolutely every one of them was.
And what Roger, you know, I've not been allowed to talk to Roger since he was arrested.
I've been working.
Why is that?
We don't know.
I don't know.
He's not allowed to talk to me.
He talks with us at lunch.
I said, that chair is safe for Caputo.
And Roger goes, no, it's not.
We can't speak to each other.
I was his driver when I was 24.
I've worked with him for, you know, all those years, ever since 1986.
And we've spoken to each other sometimes, seven, eight times a day.
And to go from speaking to your best friend every day to not being able to speak to him at all for now 10 months, it's like he's dead.
But he's not.
He's being killed.
And to me, it's very emotional for me and my family.
We used to spend holidays together.
To me, there's no greater emergent call for this country than to watch what they're doing.
I mean, what Roger said before we had to stop talking is they're criminalizing politics.
They're creating a crime scene where a campaign should be.
And if they were really punishing people for colluding with a foreign nation, they'd be focused on the Hillary Clinton campaign.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think you're right.
Someone said yesterday, maybe it was you actually, when the left does politics, they do crime.
And the way that the authorities see it is when the right does crime.
When the left does politics, it's criminal.
When the right does crime, it's politics.
No, that's backwards.
That's backwards.
Left, right.
Right, left.
But you know, at the same time, Roger has been a specialist in opposition research and hardball politics for many years.
He was my mentor.
And there's a picture signed on my wall in my office that says, with a picture of Roger, and it says, to Michael Caputo, who learned everything he knows from me.
I laughed when he wrote that because it was 20 years ago, but since then, I've learned most of what I know from Roger.
And, you know, the problem we have here is that the opposition research, the hardball politics of the Republican Party is unacceptable.
But when the Democrats do it, it's just fine.
Right.
You know?
Well, like the violence thing.
They say, oh, you're violent.
My buddy's proud boys are in jail for four years for getting in a fight.
They say the right is violent.
Trump's people are violent.
But you go outside and you see people with MAGA hats getting assaulted all the time.
You know, my car has been vandalized.
Tommy Robinson, you know, has to walk around with bodyguards.
They are violent and they're not stopping.
They're not.
And here's the problem we have.
I think you know this better than I do.
All of the violence at Trump rallies during the campaign was clearly organized.
The opposition people came in, snuck in, and then started fights and everything.
It was clearly organized.
It was clearly paid for because what happened after the election, that bit of it stopped.
There's been no more violence at Trump rallies, not because you can't get people in there, but because they stopped paying them to come in.
This is, and by the way, paid for by George Soros.
You can call me whatever you want.
That's a fact.
That is a fact.
The Pink Hat Parade here in Washington, D.C., right after the inauguration, completely paid for by Soros.
And here we go.
We're starting off on the election season again.
Watch the violence starting.
He's suing you for $25 million?
Yeah, he's a wonderful person.
I'm sorry to interrupt you, but it must take incredible restraint to see someone who's suing you for $25 million.
And Roger.
Yeah.
Right?
Me.
And Roger Barbara.
To just not run and tackle him right now.
Right, right.
Do you feel rage?
Don't worry.
I do feel rage, and I told my wife before I left that, you know, the problem I have, and we went three years of House, Senate, Mueller, investigation, interrogations.
I mean, I lived in Russia for 10 years because I was sent there by the United States government.
And they tried to drag me into this thing.
Obviously, I'd never done anything like that.
I'm a U.S. Army infantry veteran.
I'm a patriot.
I would never work against American interests with a foreign nation.
But it really doesn't matter to them because I worked in Russia.
I was paid to live there by the Clinton administration.
And I also know Donald Trump.
So therefore, I am the conduit, right?
And now that all that is over, now that all that is over, we know that nobody in America colluded with Russia at all.
Now, we're looking at a whole new second stage, this impeachment stage.
But at the same time, right now, here on this street, the end of the first stage is taking place.
They're hanging Roger Stone.
That's what they're doing.
I mean, you and I both sat through it.
You couldn't find one military veteran among any one of the people they brought in there to be potential jurors.
Not one military veteran.
How does that happen?
You know, they say one in seven people in the District of Columbia is a Republican.
You couldn't find one Republican in that jury pool.
Not one.
And if you sat through it as well as I did, you heard them all talk about.
I don't think one of those jurors has ever had a Budweiser.
That Budweiser test to be good.
You should put the Budweiser there and say, have a sip.
And I bet they would all go, what?
Not an IPA?
Well, the Budweiser jury test.
Yeah.
I don't think there's any Catholics on it.
There's only three men.
Two of them look gay.
There's only two black women, but they have shaved heads, which implies Oh, really?
Yeah, we got a former congressional, Democrat congressional candidate.
And they're judging a person on politics.
Well, that's what Enrique was saying, is they get the conviction first, and then they work backwards with the crime.
Now, with Trump, they said, okay, I mean, sorry, with Stone, they said, okay, he's colluding with Russia, and he had Russians hack the election.
So that's what we're going to get him on.
And they start the show, and then they go, hey, the Russian thing is a nothing burger.
Okay, that's fine, that's fine.
We'll just pivot.
And now it's Wikileaks.
He was encouraging Assange to release emails.
And to that I go, so what if he was?
Let me tell you something.
When I lived in Russia, 94 to 2000, every three months I would call Roger and I'd say, Roger, come over here.
We can work together.
There's some things going on here.
You'd really like it here.
It's very interesting.
And he would say, hell no.
Why?
He says, because I hate Russia.
I'm not working there.
I'm not going there.
Have a good time.
I came home to get married in the Willard, in the same room where Roger and Nydia got married.
And Roger came up to me after the wedding and I said, well, when this is over, I'm going back.
You've got to come with me.
We can work in politics together there.
He's like, hell no.
There's no way.
How in the world do you think that a guy like that would work with the Russians?
There's no way he won.
Well, they've given up on that angle.
Now it's Assange.
And when I see their crimes, I say, I can save the court money.
I can save you all time.
Make him guilty.
Find out who I don't know.
Trump hate.
Fuck this town.
Fuck D.C. D.C.'s a cesspool, man.
I can't stand it here.
I can't wait to get back to Buffalo.
I can't believe it.
You never heard anybody in the world say that, right?
I can't believe you lived in Russia for so long.
But yeah, they started with the conviction.
The conviction is, whatever.
I want Roger Stone in jail.
It's almost like Tony Soprano just said, hey, make sure Roger Stone goes away for a little while.
And the charges that they're pulling up just seem so fucking random.
It is.
And the point of the matter, I think, is that, you know, it's like Roger's a political animal.
You watched the documentary about him, Get Me Roger Stone.
He is a unique and flamboyant figure who spends his time in the trenches of politics, in places doing things, running hard, that everybody's afraid to do.
To actually the bare knuckle level of Republican politics, that's Roger Stone.
That's always been Roger Stone.
And what they did is they dropped Roger Stone in a pot of water, and then they turned the heat up, and they waited for the frog to jump.
And then they arrested him for jumping.
To me, if Roger Stone serves one day in jail, our justice system is broken beyond repair because there is clearly two levels of justice here in this country.
One level has Hillary Clinton, John Brennan, James Comey, Jussie Smollett, right?
And the other level is me, you, and everybody else.
Right.
We don't, if you can't, you know, lift yourself to that first level of special treatment in the American justice system, you're screwed.
You sound like you're describing a monarchy.
I know, I'm describing Russia.
That's the interesting part about this.
All this crazy talk about Russian collusion.
We live in Russia.
You know, all the people who are setting up the president, the CIA, the FBI, the DOJ, that's what in Russia they call the Soloviki.
The people from the security services who really run everything.
Now we understand in this country, we have our own Soloviki.
They're no better than the KGB.
They aren't.
I mean, honest to God, I see nothing different in what's going on right now than what I saw for eight years in Russia.
I see nothing different.
Forget about hacking our elections.
We live there.
Yeah.
Well, last question.
You know Trump well.
What are the odds Trump will have Roger pardoned if he's found guilty?
I think the odds are good.
I think the president necessarily, politically, has to wait.
I thought he should have pardoned him when he got charged, frankly.
But, you know, I believe in the president.
I believe he understands that Roger Stone's been railroaded.
I believe he knows that Roger Stone would be living the life of Riley down in Florida like he always did if it weren't for his friendship with the president of the United States.
Because here's the thing, Gavin.
Here's the thing.
They have to destroy the president.
They have to destroy his family.
They have to destroy his friends, every single one of us.
Because if they don't, another billionaire in 10 years is going to wake up in his bed and he's going to say to his wife or his girlfriend, honey, the country's broke and I have to fix it.
Only I can fix it.
And his wife is going to say, well, do you know what she's going to say?
Did you see what they did to Donald Trump?
You see what they did to his family and his friends?
There's no way you're doing this.
That's why they're doing this.
Not just to stop Donald Trump, but to teach the nation a lesson that we don't operate independently.
We don't enjoy freedom.
We work for them.
And I'm not going to stand for it.
Thank you, sir.
My pleasure.
Good to see you again.
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