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Oct. 22, 2019 - Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes
01:05:42
S02E76 - PROUD BOYS IN PRISON
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When I was just a baby, my mama told me so.
Always be a good boy, don't ever bully.
I like doing those intros where we go close to the camera because I'm always amazed by the technology.
It's better than my eyes.
Better than the human eye.
Very crisp, yeah.
I seem a little chirpy for someone whose friends went to prison, but I've been drinking.
And I don't know if it does any good to seem sad on the show.
I also don't want to give the left a victory by crying.
But Max and John are sentenced to prison for four years.
Now, in New York State, one often serves five-sixths of the time, so four years would...
Oh, really?
So five-sixths of four is 3.3.
3.3 years.
That's assuming that they don't get marked as Nazis and beaten up and get in fights and get their time extended.
But it's also assuming that our appeals don't go through.
I know that Max, Max has some judge, some ex-judge who was following the whole case and was constantly sending letters to the judge, Judge Mark Dwyer, saying, this is a travesty.
What the hell are you doing?
And I think this ex-judge and this lawyer are going to appeal the case on Max's behalf pro bono.
I'm not sure what's happening with John.
I assume the cases are inexorably linked.
Like, how do you, they were both in court together, charged together.
If you get a pardon for one, shouldn't that mean a pardon for two?
Yeah.
And they got the exact same sentence, too, which is very strange, I think.
So I think they're bound.
Anyway, I'll obviously be finding this out.
I'm not backing down for a second.
I was talking to John's wife today.
Jesus, that's not an easy call.
She sounds just...
Like the responses were slow on the phone.
She was in shock.
She was in shock.
You know, you see someone walking from a car accident going, hi, where are you?
It was that kind of a voice.
She told John to join the Proud Boys.
She said, these guys seem traditional and we're a family and you're a Christian and seems cool.
And he joined and he was going, this is fun.
Everything was fine.
Then he beat up Antifa for threatening them.
And now his newborn won't recognize him when he gets out or won't see him as a father.
I assume she's going to visit a lot, but she's in Chicago.
They'll be upstate and they're broke.
They spent all their money on this trial.
So he's not going to get that many visits from those kids.
I mean, I'll pay for them, but.
Just to give you some perspective.
Princess Charlotte.
Did I put that in the notes?
Maybe I don't.
Yeah, I did.
Princess Charlotte was born four years ago.
Obviously, she's four now.
And that was big news, right?
It was all over.
Women love that kind of stuff when princesses are born.
And this is her now.
So she's a kid now.
She talks.
Four is a big kid.
Four, they have thoughts, they have interests, they have things they don't like, things they do like, you know.
So that's how old his kid will be when he gets out.
It'll be a little person.
Unfucking believable.
I have a Proud Boy shirt hanging behind me.
in mourning.
So we'll talk to, Why?
Because I'm Hitler.
Yes, I'm not exaggerating.
Mark Dwyer called me Hitler.
First of all, that's the guy.
Actually, there's two Judge Mark Dwyers.
One's black, one's white.
I'm pretty sure this is our guy.
Justice Task Force.
But show the tweet where he...
He said, the reason I threw the book at them is because this is political violence.
And judging from the political violence we saw in Europe in the 30s, this has to be nipped in the bud.
I'm paraphrasing, but that's what he fucking said.
In other words, I am Hitler, and these guys are Nazis.
They're brown shirts.
And if they're not nipped in the bud, the Nazis will grow and we'll have World War III.
How is that for an attack on free speech?
He also implied that I had this incendiary violent speech and talked about, get out there and kill those gays and kill those Jews and kill those blacks.
Kill them all, boys.
With Sulconus four years in prison, Judge Mark Dwyer made pointed remarks directed at Gavin McKinnon about leaders whipping up their soldiers, whipping their soldiers up with rhetoric and disappearing when conflict breaks out.
He is talking about a speech he did not hear.
How the fuck is that justice?
He's heard rumors that the speech was violent, rumors that are started by far left operatives, the alt-left and Tifa, radicals.
He hears rumors from radicals and goes, all right, so it was endorsing violence, was it?
Okay.
I don't like when people endorse violence and then have their Soldiers do their dirty work.
You're the fucking judge, Mark.
Look it up.
It's on my website.
It's easy to find.
And then what does it say here?
Yeah, this is the other doozy.
Mark Dwyer cited precedent of political brawls in 1930s Europe as a cause.
Clearly, he's not talking about Portugal.
He's talking about Germany.
The Hitler defense.
These guys are going to jail for four years.
So let me just explain this clear.
Three black children are having their father taken away because of this bullshit hate narrative.
Who's suffering?
Well, John is suffering.
That's without the newborn.
But those three black people are suffering.
Four now.
How can this be topped?
We have reached peak clown world.
Four years in a cage, 3.3 years in a cage.
Now, I'm optimistic about an appeal, getting them out, getting them pardoned, but I was optimistic about this trial too.
And look what happened.
Yeah.
I didn't say anything yesterday, respond to it at all, because I was super positive about it.
I think I was like, you know, this is all going to work out.
Well, I knew from talking to their lawyers that they were looking at 3.5 years minimum.
And here's another thing with Mark Dwyer.
This actually was kind of cushy, believe it or not.
Steinglass, the prosecutor, who's a, I'm not going to say anything.
Steinglass, by the way, remember that Asian guy in the Range Rover who got beat up by bikers?
I think he ran over someone's motorcycle.
So the bikers chased him on the West Side Highway and he got knocked out, this guy.
One of the guys in the crew was a cop and Steinglass had him arrested and thrown in jail and is, I believe, thrown in jail and lost his pension, everything for being part of it.
That was another melee that I'm not sure, just because you were in the group, I'm not sure you should be stripped of your badge forever.
Yeah, there's the guy.
Anyway, that's Steinglass.
So Steinglass was pushing for five.
The minimum was 3.5.
Mark Dwyer pushed it to 4.
So if he was really convinced that I'm Hitler and we had to stop these Nazis, wouldn't he go for the 15 max?
Why six months more than the minimum?
I'll tell you why.
Because he's kissing Cuomo's ass.
This is how it works with judges.
The way you get up the ladder, I got to be careful not to make a Zeek Heil that's Momo screen grab.
The way you go up the ladder is you kiss politicians' asses.
And de Blasio was another guy.
This is today's paper.
De Blasio walking by kids who want better education.
But the problem with these kids is they want the free market to handle education vis-a-vis charter schools.
And that's less money, less taxes for de Blasio.
So he tells these kids to fuck off.
They're useless.
They're cannon fodder.
Garbage.
If they can't use black kids for political gains, de Blasio is not interested.
And that's where we are as a nation, where human beings are just pawns that are used to further various political causes.
Max and John are going to prison based on a myth.
Not because they're Nazis, but because someone else said they were Nazis.
And that's enough.
They said they wanted me.
Roger Stone introduced me to a cop whose job was to find a way to throw me in jail for 15 years.
To throw me in prison for 15 years for this.
For proud boys.
And I was just talking to another guy who was like a military dude who was saying, yeah, but it all started as a drinking club.
It started as a joke.
I'm like, it ended as a joke.
It's not, it didn't change.
I hate this notion, and Kumiya says it all the time, that it started out as a fun thing, and then it became sinister.
Then the violence seeped in, and the racism, and the bigotry, and the homophobia, and the anti-Semitism.
Then that festered.
That happened to the English Defense League, but it didn't happen to Proud Boys.
Yes, there was violence when they were defending themselves.
Well, Max and John said they were defending themselves, but they ran at them.
Not really.
Here's the deal.
Say six people are standing in front of you on the street and you run at them.
Well, it's hard to argue self-defense with that, right?
What if those six people had been threatening you again and again and again, had vandalized the venue, were screaming at you outside, had clearly circled the block to circumvent you.
And they said, let's do this.
And for the umpteenth time.
And then they threw a bottle of piss at you.
And you ran up to one of them and ripped his mask off.
Then they started fighting you and they were winning.
They had three of you down.
They're kicking you when you're down.
Then Big John shows up, bowls them over like a bowling ball, and then the rest of them show up and they win.
That sounds like a good case for self-defense to me.
Here's something the left, if you're trying to explain this to a liberal.
Pretend the Prowboys are gay, and these gays were being antagonized for weeks.
No fags in our town.
No homo.
Homos go homo.
That would be a good sign if you hated gays.
Yeah, it's pretty clever.
Homos go home, O. But then you have to explain why you put an O at the end of the home.
I don't think anybody would question you on your side.
Anybody logical?
Yeah, they're not like that, the Westboro church with their God hates fags.
They're not really.
That doesn't make sense.
There's a typo.
But they were gay, and it was like I was the homosexual, and this guy's pushing his gay agenda on everyone.
And after vandalizing the venue with pink paint and no faggots, and then these gays were walking home, escorted by police, because they were worried about violence against gays.
And then the fag bashers showed up and threw a bottle of cum at the homos and said, come on, fags.
And two of the fags ran at them, wrestled them, pulled off their mask, and then the rest of the homosexuals fought.
And then the fag bashers Told the police to fuck off and everyone went home.
Non-issue, right?
I'll tell you what, if that was the case, there'd be t-shirts of every single one of those guys.
But because the narrative is we hate Trump, Trump's a Nazi, anyone who supports him is Hitler, then we just paint a totally different picture.
And you know what?
I'm for free speech.
It annoys me that you're making up a stupid story, but fine.
Paint a stupid picture.
But it's not a game anymore.
This painting is putting men in prison, not jail, prison.
Remember, Jeff, the second guy who showed up to the fight, is doing weekends at Rikers.
He took a plea deal.
And he'll probably be done, I think, I think by next summer.
I'm not sure.
So he just works Monday to Friday.
Then at Friday, he goes to Rikers.
So it's either working or in prison.
So his TGIF is Sunday night when he's on his way back home after being in a stinking, shitty, genpop bunk bed hell.
But yeah, what's going to happen to these guys?
What if Proud Boys actually become a gang now?
You're laying the blueprints for it.
By the way, this shirt is Eastern State Penitentiary, where it was the most just prison.
Philadelphia was out of control back when they built it in the 1800s.
Drunks everywhere, violence, but they built an ethical prison where the max sentence was maybe five years, and it worked.
Now they just throw these numbers out four years.
Four years for fighting back too much.
That was the case of the prosecution.
They didn't make any points about it.
They said, yes, this was a fight, but John went too far, kicked him too many times.
Any other circumstances, this just would have been a stupid brawl.
So, of course, the media is out, happy to gloat about these guys, John's children becoming fatherless.
Kelly Weal at the Daily Beast.
That's the first link I sent you.
She's really enjoying this.
And the way they talk so smugly.
Like, what if you were playing some silly game like Monopoly or the mods versus the Rockers?
And then one of the Rockers was killed by a mod on Brighton Beach.
You go, holy shit, this is getting out of control.
So Kelly Wheel over at the Daily Beast, she's sitting there gloating about these guys going to prison, and you think, don't you realize now that your stupid game is ruining lives?
Kelly?
And you should read this article.
It's all about the debunked myth that it was self-defense.
I've explained to you truthfully exactly what happened that night.
And I'll do it again in this video we're going to show you.
But I think it's a pretty good case for self-defense.
And pretend they're gay if that's too hard for you to conceive of.
But look at this weird reporter from ABC News.
This is a tweet.
I forgot to number these.
This is a reporter happy about the sentence.
Dan, what's his name?
Ben Collins?
Ben Collins.
He's from ABC News.
That sounds like a reputable place.
I remember the NYPD presser on this attack, which tried to absolve the Proud Boys using selective camera angles.
I'm glad the truth came out.
Finally.
And then scroll down.
It's just a shit show of arrogance.
So Mike Cernovich points out that David Campbell, who, let's regurgitate this same old story because you can't say it enough.
That man right there, rich kid, Antifa kid, I think his dad's a lawyer.
He's going to jail for 18 months, which means he'll serve probably 12, which could be Rikers, not prison, jail, because he beat the living shit out of an old Jewish man, punched him in the face, and strangled him until the man had a heart attack, went into cardiac arrest.
He almost killed a man.
It would be very easy to frame that as attempted murder.
Okay?
He got 18 months for that.
One year.
A quarter of what Max and John got.
Oh, one other detail.
David Campbell also beat and assaulted the police who were trying to arrest him, including putting one cop in a headlock and choking him.
Go back to the reactions.
I don't know why I torture myself with this shit.
I just think, like, could any of these people handle an hour in jail?
And I'm not exaggerating.
So people are making fun of John's beard, which is weird.
Keep going down.
Going to prison to own the libs, dreading the books they'll write.
Let's hope the warden doesn't let them have crayons.
Haha, they're so stupid.
Keep going.
My video just put them.
Oh, there's Sandy Bochum.
She was the nut bar who has seances with witches to vex and hex Trump.
I'm not exaggerating.
And she was a credible witness, even though she had a nervous breakdown on the stand and started screaming and crying about her Rolex and then regretting that she mentioned that she has a Rolex because her whole thing is like, I'm poor, I'm a poor citizen journalist.
So not a credible witness at all.
But she was there.
They used her testimony.
It worked.
And here she is gloating about putting two men in prison for four years.
Like, isn't that bizarre?
I keep putting my brain into other people's heads.
And I think, if that was me, I'd be going, oh, shit, what have we done?
I'm sure that most left thinks that I should be doing that today and going, oh, shit, I shouldn't have done that speech.
It led to violence.
No, you picked the fight, Antifa.
You terrorized the venue.
The DNC, Cuomo de Blasio, pushed this.
I've done talks at the Manhattan Republican Club before to zero fanfare.
Just the previous year, I was there doing a talk.
Not one person outside.
Not one.
So keep going through those tweets, though.
We're really becoming a fucking classless society.
No, not Sandy's.
Yeah, scroll down, down, down, down, down.
There's one really weird one that really disturbed me.
Keep going.
She's so proud of herself.
I did it.
I put two men in a cage for four years.
Yes, that's justice.
Keep going, keep going.
Keep going, keep going.
Keep going, keep going, keep going.
There.
Bob.
Click on Bobby.
You have no idea how happy this makes me.
Isn't that fucking bizarre?
Now he's a nobody.
I think he owns a t-shirt store or something.
There he is.
He's ecstatic that John and Max are going to prison.
He would never have bumped into them ever in a million years, or any proud boys or I don't know.
Probably no Trump supporters ever affected his life.
But he's happy that two men are in a cage.
Isn't that confusing?
Isn't that bizarre?
What's his name?
Bobby Oliviera?
Bobby Bobby Oliviera.
Fucking twisted.
You know, another thing I was looking up is four years ago was that Paris train attack.
Remember that?
This is pre-Trump.
When you're allowed to be machismo to defend the Western world.
Thank you.
Look at the baby soda sponsor.
So this is obviously the movie that came out years later, but the actual event was four years ago, 2015, when baby Princess Charlotte was born.
This is why I never wear headphones, by the way.
God, the balls on that kid.
They all just looked at each other and said, let's do this.
And they used the actual kids in the movie.
I remember now.
Those are the guys.
Spencer, I think his name was.
Richard.
Spencer Richard or something.
But you can only do that through the struggle of life.
And most people avoid the struggle.
Most people go through life avoiding pain.
What is happening to our universe?
At some point in time, a transition takes place.
You learn how to leap higher.
You start challenging yourself to dig deeper.
Something in you that you never activated while it gives me.
I did that boxing.
I think I killed myself guys.
Do what you know is right.
And I killed him.
I don't know, man.
Every split life is just pushing us towards something like some greater purpose.
This trailer is as good as a movie.
Yeah.
I'm getting the same gratification from watching the entire film.
And these guys, Max and John, it's not like they said, let's go and fight terrorists.
Someone picked a fight with them and they said, sure, four years.
Four fucking years.
Anyway, let's show the movie.
Sorry, the movie.
Let's show the video I put together.
I just put it up on YouTube.
I'm trying to get it out as soon as possible so people can see what's really going on.
What's really going on is Max and John were framed and the entire right wing, anyone right of center, anyone who's not alt left, basically everyone to the right of Alexandria Arquezo-Cortez is being framed.
We're not going to prison yet, but it's begun.
Music.
Proud boys Max Hare and John Kinsman were just sentenced to four years in prison for defending themselves too much after an Antifa ambush.
You cannot be civil.
What we've got to do is fight in Congress, fight in the courts, fight in the streets.
Their idea is, look, nonviolence hasn't worked and we are going to try to stop this.
If you see anybody but that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, in a gas police station, you get up and you stay on the phone.
They go low, be kicked.
That's what this new Democratic Party is about.
That's what this new flag is about.
All of our suits are not yet to be able to.
I'm not sure you're not yet to be able to.
Yeah.
I'm in shock.
I just got off the phone with John's wife.
She's in shock.
They have a newborn, not featured in this picture, who won't know John when he gets out in four years.
Eight years combined.
Four and four.
For a brawl, a barroom brawl with zero victims.
The Antifa who picked this fight backed out, insulted the cops, have no injuries.
These guys didn't get to face their accusers.
There was no accuser.
The accuser was the state.
It was the DNC.
Last year, I did a talk at the Manhattan Republican Club, like I've done many times before, to no reaction in the past, but this time they needed a reaction.
The DNC were about to face the midterms.
They were being known as violent.
There was Jobs Not Mobs trending, and they needed right-wing violence desperately to fit the narrative.
So they picked fights all night.
They attacked everyone who came to my speech, which, by the way, was a comedy show.
It was a funny speech.
But within every joke is a tiny revolution, and the DNC doesn't want that because Trump cannot win in 2020.
That's what this is all about.
It's about Trump and Cuomo and de Blasio manipulating the courts to thwart Trump in 2020.
I did my talk.
Antifa were violent all night.
They were attacking the venue before I even showed up, vandalizing it, threatening violence.
They beat the crap out of a reporter, stole his equipment.
Zero charges, zero media attention.
Three guys, Caleb Perkin, Kai Russo, and Finn Barslonim, got away with assault.
They got away with felonies that night.
No mention of it in the media.
At the end of my talk, about 10 proud boys were leaving the event, escorted by police.
Two of them, Max and John, were ahead of the crowd, turned a corner.
They were ambushed by six Antifa.
Six individuals circled the block and cave 82nd Street, Lex the Park to try to intercept the group.
Six Antifa ambushed two Proud Boys.
This was made very clear by the police.
The six Antifa jumped them, threw a bottle of piss at them.
Max ran up, ripped their mask off.
Two of the, then the rest of the Proud Boys came around the corner.
Two of the six Antifa ran away.
Four stayed.
They got beaten up by Proud Boys for picking a fight.
The police showed up 17 seconds into this silly brawl.
And the cop said to Antifa, do you want to press charges?
And Antifa said, fuck you, pig.
I just got punched in the face like 70 times or something like that.
They were pumped, the Proud Boys, after this.
At one point, Max yelled, there was fucking four of them.
He was proud of himself for beating back an ambush.
The media spun that into him saying they were fucking foreigners.
De Blasio, Cuomo, the Attorney General, Lanceman, all these municipal politicians started pushing this fake narrative that it was a hate group that were roaming the streets looking for enemies.
That bullshit fake news narrative made it to the courts.
And then the courts amplified it.
The judge said, basically called me Hitler and said he's sentencing these guys because it reminds him of 1930s Europe, political brawls in 1930s Europe.
He's saying that he has to sentence these guys to prevent World War III.
That's fucking insane.
This is pure clown world.
The fake news is leading to real sentences.
The left picks fights.
The left started this.
The left said we're going to beat the shit out of everyone wearing a MAGA hat and they do it regularly.
And regularly, they get away with it.
When we defend ourselves, when we stand our ground, we go to prison.
What the fuck is going on?
You know what I think a lot of people do when something like this happens is they just sort of block it out.
Like you have cancer.
Not really.
And lots of people get cancer.
It's not a big deal.
No.
And then about 24 hours later, it sinks in.
Part of my brain wants to go, well, these guys shouldn't have been fighting.
They should have just stood there.
You know, they should have known.
Because your brain can't handle it.
And I think a lot of these critics out there that go, fuck those guys.
I'm glad that you have no idea how happy this makes me.
It's almost like the 9-11 truthers where they go, I can't fathom something that evil.
Let's just make it like it was the government and they exploded the buildings with like, what's that shit called?
Thermite paint.
Thermite.
Thermite paint.
That's what it was.
Because you can't digest it.
That's why there's so little reporting on Africa and the white farmers getting murdered in South Africa or even just the cannibalism or the albinos being dismembered because their blood is magic or babies getting raped because it cures AIDS.
People just can't stomach it.
So they go, let's not report on that.
Actually, that.
That's why history has been so oversimplified, where the natives were nice and they were just smoking peace pipes.
Then we came and killed them all.
And then we said, hey, slaves, build something.
And then they built it.
And that's why we have this building.
It's built by slaves.
Nuance is too disturbing.
But slowly, I'm realizing that, yes, there'll be an appeal.
Yes, we'll write letters.
Yes, his family will come visit him.
But at the end of the day, 99% of their next 3.3 years at best, not at best, sorry, most likely, is going to be in a cage in a box.
Um...
So I got Jim Goad.
Do we have Jim?
Jim spent two and a half years in prison for domestic violence.
He'll probably tell us the story.
It's in his book Shit Magnet, which is very good.
And he didn't deserve any time for it.
But I want to ask him what it's like in prison and how to survive.
I don't know.
I know I can't be free.
But those people...
Jim, are you there, sir?
Yay.
Don't tell me what your shirt is.
I will recognize it right away and blow your mind.
You ready?
That is the child who stole a train in the Steve Martin movie, The Jerk.
He's wearing a shirt that says bullshit.
Is that true in the jerk that he wore a bullshit shirt?
Because I don't know.
The ex-wife gave this to me.
She found it at a flea market.
Yeah, Bernadette Peters was looking after a little kid, and she said, Have you seen my boy?
He has a shirt that says bullshit on it.
And then they show a kid with bullshit on his shirt stealing a train, a toy train.
Bernadette Peters.
Oh, my God.
How much seed did I spill over her in the 70s?
Crazy.
Oh, she's so hot.
She's a lot, too.
She looks like exactly the same last time I saw her.
She just had like gallons of Botox and fillers.
Well, she was 30 in that movie.
That was 1980.
So she must be, what, 80 now?
I don't care.
Does that make sense?
She was hot, but I thought she was Jewish and she wasn't, though, because she kind of looked it.
Because most of the crushes I had in the 70s were like weird ones that no one else can even understand.
Like Penny Marshall.
You liked Penny Marshall.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I spilled seed over Laverne quite a few times.
First pornographic dream I ever had was Barbara Streisand.
Barbara Streisand, I could see.
When she was young, she was hot.
You should check out her Twitter feed if you want to get over her, though.
Alan the Pussycat.
She dressed up as a hooker in fishnets and everything.
That's what did it for me when I was 12.
Okay, we should look all this up after we're done talking to Jim because these are all very important.
So, Jim, my friends Max and John just got sentenced to four years in prison for getting in a fight with Antifa, which happens on a daily basis, basically, around the world.
But in New York, it's stopped.
The judge said that he's seen political brawls before in history, and it was in Europe in the 30s.
It's Godwin's law.
Everything goes back to that.
Now, didn't the governor and the mayor immediately pass judgment?
Yes.
They said.
How is that not a tainted venue to begin with?
Right.
So it's looking good for the appeal.
Because I saw the video through the storefront, and then it looks like they threw a bottle, and then but then they say there were other angles where these guys were charging them, and that's why they threw the bottle.
Do you know anything about that?
Because, I mean, as a convict, I don't pass judgment until I know everything.
Right.
Because shit can really be easily misled.
You got to think of it as Westside Story.
So the Jets showed up around the corner with the switchblade and said, let's do this.
Who were the other guys in Westside Story?
The Greasers?
Sharks.
The sharks.
The Puerto Ricans were the sharks.
So the Jets showed up and they formed a wall in front of the sharks.
And they had been attacking all night.
Yes, the sharks did run at them, but they ran at them, took their mask off.
I don't know exactly when the bottle of piss was thrown, if they had started running before the bottle of piss, but is it relevant?
I guess it's like, you know, in determining what's legally self-defense, maybe it is, but four years, what was the actual charge?
And these guys, these their first convictions?
Oh, yeah, first convictions.
The charges were insane.
It was like felony, gang assault, attack with a deadly weapon.
The deadly weapon was Max's boot.
And the attempted assault was based on the assumption that he wanted to hurt everyone in Antifa.
So all six guys who were there were victims of attempted assault because Max wanted to hurt them all.
So if there was 40 there, he would have been charged with 40 cases of attempted assault.
I've never even heard of it.
They didn't even talk to the cops, the Antifa guys, to their credit, right?
Yeah, to their credit.
They told the cops to go fuck themselves.
See, this is, when I was in the joint, I remember hearing, I don't know if this is true or not, I've said it many times like it's true, in Germany, the way the law works is if there's evidence of a crime, the prosecutor has to prosecute.
They can't pick and choose like unpopular.
Obviously, you're unpopular in New York, in the climate in New York, but that shouldn't go toward caging a human being.
I mean, it was obviously both sides.
And I'm always triggered by prison stories because you know my story.
I don't want to tell it again.
I finally hit back after a year and I go.
And this is what happened.
And this is why, like with, we probably have different views about Charlottesville, but Charlottesville happened at the end of, what, two, three years of constant attacks.
And it was all constant attacks that day.
Yeah, one knucklehead with mental problems, who I guess used to beat his own mother, drives through a crowd after like having a gun pointed at his car and having his car attacked.
But my God, like people are able to remove everything that led up to it.
Yeah, and it's not fashionable to defend him, but he got 430 years.
I mean, what's your, in your experience, what does like a typical rapist get who is a bad guy with a knife jumping out of the bushes with a mask on, like the full-on rapist?
I know in Oregon, it was like a seven years mandatory minimum.
Yeah.
What about murder?
39 years, yeah.
What about murder?
Because we all know what the sentences are, but what do you actually see happen?
Oh, that's in Oregon.
That's how it works now.
There's no such thing as good time.
You get seven years you do every day.
Okay, but what about?
When I was going, you got 20% off if you behaved.
That's why I was well-behaved.
Got into a couple fights, but they didn't find out about it, so I got off six months early out of three years.
But that doesn't work.
And it's insane because what's the incentive to behave in prison then?
If you can just shank people, what they'll do is give you new charges, but why behave?
It becomes a gladiator school and people are just killing each other.
But the idea, that's a big theme of my writing is isolating guilt.
It was with the Redneck book.
It was with Shit Magnet.
The winners write history, so all we're going to hear is how the Nazis were bad and the Allies were good and the Confederates were bad.
And isn't that funny, though?
The bad guys always lose.
Always.
They're always evil.
You know, and it's like now Cuomo and de Blasio and these dagos that run New York State, like they can crow about it.
And what's the message?
Shut the hell up and let them beat you.
Well, and the takeaway is we prevented World War III.
Hitler did a talk, a burgeoning new Hitler, and then his stormtroopers went out, and we nipped it in the bud.
Now we're not going to have a new American Nazi Party.
If there was all this white supremacy, no one would be able to talk.
Are we allowed to curse on here?
Yes.
No one would be able to talk shit about white people without getting beaten down.
If Trump was Hitler, if Trump was Hitler, anyone who said anything about him would have their throats slit.
And you wouldn't be fired.
Hysteria.
You wouldn't become persona non-grata if you're an anti-Semite or a racist.
If that was normal, then you just go, oh, yeah, I've heard about you guys.
You're anti-Semites.
You're everywhere.
Oh, you're a white supremacist.
Yeah, the president's a white supremacist.
You must feel very comfortable here in racist America.
But you're a pariah if you're a racist or an anti-Semite, as you should be.
There's nothing worse.
I mean, I think probably in this climate, a pedophile is a notch above a racist.
Yeah.
And a cannibal is below that.
I think you might have told me this, but they were doing a documentary on Jeffrey Dahmer, and he found out about it, and he contacted the documentarians and said, look, I want to be clear here that I was only eating black people because I was in a black neighborhood.
I'm not racist.
And they're like, okay, okay.
Yeah.
He's having sex with dismembered body parts, but as long as he has to clarify, he's not a racist.
It's become a pessimist.
What they call racism, I mean, there are nutty people who are inadequate and blame other races for their problems.
But when they talk about your average racist, that's not what's going on.
It's what Steve Saylor said.
It's people who notice differences.
Or in my case, like I'm always accused of being pro-white.
It's just a not-anti.
It was John Darbyshire.
He said, no, I'm anti-anti-white.
Right.
Well, you see that.
So we got to dream about racism, but you, you, what is more racist than to isolate all the propensity for evil and racial hatred in one group?
Yeah.
that's beyond saying, hey, some are better jumpers, some are better at math.
That's saying, you're evil.
That's the most racist thing you could say.
And that's what they're saying about white people these days.
It's insane.
I mean, how do you not get completely demoralized?
It's tough, right?
I'm getting there.
I'm getting there.
Yeah.
But, I mean, you've got enough Celt in you that there's a fighting spirit still.
It's like, this is still bullshit.
I box every morning and rage on bags and people to not end up a murderer.
But, you know, that controversial sticker that the 4chan dudes were putting up that says, it's okay to be white, that really sums up this climate we're in right now.
That is a horrible thing to say.
That it's just okay to be who you are.
Yeah.
That's reverberation.
No, it's, I mean, this, you know, I'm anti-religious in my thinking, but that was my book before this most recent one was, Whiteness, the Original Sin.
That's a blood libel.
Like a biblical sins of the fathers visited on their sons.
You're born responsible for slavery and the Holocaust.
It's like, uh-uh.
The little brat in me says no.
Well, you can't get out of it.
John Kinsman's wife is black.
His kids are black.
These three black kids are being punished now for being the children of a white supremacist.
And the state took their father away in the name of fighting hate.
What?
But you went to great lengths, great pains, to say you're not a racist, to include black.
It's a word I don't believe in.
It's a meaningless word.
It's whatever people want it to believe, and it's metastasizing and swelling.
Everything's racist now.
But you couldn't have made it more clear, and you're that way anyway.
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Doesn't that feel like you're being gaslit or they're just messing with your mind?
Yeah.
And, you know, I would still do, like, if I lived on a planet where it was wrong to be straight, I'd still say I was straight every day to everyone.
Or, you know, if everyone kept accusing me of being gay, I'd say I'm not gay until I'm blue in the face, not because I give a shit what they think and I'm trying to change their mind, but because it's the truth.
And all these all.
It took a million cocks to prove I'm not gay.
Bring them on.
So yeah, I didn't enjoy that one.
Bring another one on.
Gross.
I mean, once you have to explain yourself or defend yourself to people, I just walk away because it's like they're playing a power move on you.
Yeah, but it's so powerful.
I mean, the lie that Proud Boys are Nazis just got...
One guy's doing Rikers weekends, and there's a brown guy, an Indian guy, who's about to face trial.
He'll probably get four years too.
So that's three, one in jail, two in prison, and a fourth one on his way.
Based on this myth, based on this fun little game they're all playing where they pretend Trump's a Nazi and you're a Nazi.
It's like monopoly to them, but it has real-life consequences.
This is why I have a problem with moralism, too.
And when you're in jail, you have a lot of time to think about these things.
Usually, according to the, if I took you and put you in a cage, I'd probably do life.
Right?
That's like extreme kid...
So when the government does it, it's okay.
Like, okay, they beat it.
What was the worst injury somebody suffered in this?
You know, anybody could stitch it?
They left.
We don't know.
And there was no blood anywhere.
There's no stitches.
But you take somebody, you ruin their life, you ruin their family, basically.
You stuff them in a cage and treat them like an animal for four years.
I guess people that are weak will say, yes, I'm wrong and I've learned my lesson.
What I learned is like, no, you're abusing me now.
And it's very clear.
I can tell what abuse feels like.
This is it.
Four years, like, what are these guys going to be like when they get out?
Some of them have kids, right?
They're not going to see their dad for four years.
John has a newborn.
His four-year-old won't recognize him because daddy wasn't around for my first four years.
But in their minds, that's justice.
It's like, that's perverted thinking to me.
It really is sick.
Well, Tommy Robinson did 10 weeks twice in solitary where his cell was, I think, eight feet by eight feet.
And then to exercise, he was allowed to go to a six foot by six foot cell.
If you did that to a dog, there'd be riots in the streets.
In Oregon State Penitentiary, our cells were seven and a half by five and a half feet.
Were you by yourself in there?
Flatten your palms on either side of the cell.
You could stick your toes on the bars and stick the back with your fingertips.
Two guys.
Two guys, two beds, and a toilet.
And how long are you in there for?
I was there at OSP, you're there 22 hours a day.
22 hours a day.
In that five and a half by seven and a half.
Who in their right mind thinks, okay, you take most criminals, low educated, bad families, how is this going to make them better and not worse?
And you hear the whole you can't do the crime, can't do the time.
I read a book called Kind and Usual Punishment, a take on cruel and unusual punishment.
This was written in the early 70s.
They did a study and, well, yes, 70% of Americans estimated have committed at least one felony in their lives, adult Americans.
1% will do time ever.
Just consider yourself lucky.
I'm sure you've committed felonies.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, drug possession.
Some of these things are felonies.
Yeah.
You know, just be grateful.
My God.
Drunk driving.
Everyone in America is drunk driving tonight.
I mean, what percentage of drivers tonight after midnight are drunk?
I would say in big cities, big coastal towns, it's probably like 10 to 20 percent.
So what's happened with this and after Charlottesville is like there's no right-wing street activism anymore, right?
Done.
Nobody marches.
Nobody holds.
And it's like, okay, so it's not like Germany in the 30s.
It's like Germany in the 20s when communists roam the streets and crack skulls.
Is that better?
I mean, that's...
Going to my Jewish boss in 2008, I read Mein Kamp on an iPhone and all this stuff he's talking about, how these communist gangs were disrupting things, breaking skulls.
That's in the 20s.
That's what's going on now.
It's fascism.
Huh?
This is fascism.
It's totalitarianism.
I think fascism is technically an economic plan.
But yeah, it's intolerance.
It's like extreme intolerance.
I wrote for Tackies a long time ago, the tolerance that only goes skin deep.
Oh, you tolerate that he's got two dicks.
You tolerate that their skin's darker than yours.
But you'll kill them for what's in their head.
Right.
If there's anything you should tolerate, it's what somebody thinks or feels.
Well, in the case of John and Max, it's not even what's in their head.
These guys are Trump supporters.
They're conservatives.
They're traditionalists.
They're family men.
But you put Nazi in their head and then punish them for it.
And any idea how many of the Antifa, they're all in black, but any non-white Antifa members get attacked in this?
There's no such thing as an Antifa foreigner.
Like, when did you ever see, maybe you see, like, a black one one in a thousand, but no one calls black.
It's like a white talking black.
You don't get some, you know, Leon from the hood in Antifa.
Never, never.
Never.
It's unfathomable.
That's the type of guy you'll actually be able to talk to on the subway.
Yeah.
You know, it's some, I don't want to mention him, a former associate.
It's that kind of black, a former associate of yours who does videos kind of, like a half-white black, like a raised white kind of black person that joins Antifa.
Yeah.
You know?
Well, now you got me wondering who you're talking about, Talippe Starks?
Oh, Derek right there, right?
Yeah, yeah.
I want to know more about prison.
So you're sitting there for 22 hours.
You know, reading for more than four hours, you're like, I've done enough reading now.
Now we got 16 to kill.
Or sorry.
I wrote a book.
I wrote Shit Magnet with little, you can't have pens because they're weapons.
So on a one by one foot steel tray that comes out of the wall next to your cot with golf pencils, I wrote Shit Magnet.
And when you edit a chapter in prison, you're like a monk with the Book of Kells.
You have to hand rewrite every word.
And I'm an obsessive type, so I was just, I was, you know, researching domestic violence, everything.
A lot of guys just jerk off and read Tom Clancy novels, you know, or play cards or make Pruno, which is disgusting.
They make like wine out of their toilets.
Oh, I've heard of that before.
How do you play cards?
There's no table.
Is there a table?
You've got a one-by-one-foot table, or you just use the bed or whatever and play cards or write, you know, but it's it's it's I remember hearing like a gang member's life.
It's like 23 hours and 58 minutes of the most boring existence, but that two minutes, and that's kind of what it's like.
You get killed with boredom and claustrophobia.
Oh my God.
If anybody thinks claustrophobia, if anybody thinks it's easy, have someone lock you in a five by eight foot room for 12 hours and see how great you feel.
Exactly.
Yeah, a bathroom.
Lock yourself in the bathroom for 12 hours.
All these people gloating on Twitter right now saying, good, I can't tell you how happy I am that these guys are finally getting put away.
And you think, I'd love to see you, you gloater, for 24 hours experience what they're going to be doing for four fucking years.
And this is why I wound up admiring a lot of the convicts because they're not about that passive aggressive, let somebody else rape them.
Like, that's a coward.
Oh, well, why don't you rape them?
Well, I'm not going to do that.
Like, I mentioned this story recently.
There's some girl I used to bang six, seven years ago.
And she calls me from time to time.
And her fiancé found out about it.
And he gets drunk and he leaves me all these, I hope that everyone that you ever pissed off finds their way to you.
And I call him up.
I'm like, why don't you do it, man?
I'm right here.
I'm right here.
I'll give you my address.
Come and find your way to me.
And it's like, and that was one of the things I was thinking, too, when I was at the penitentiary.
It's like, I guess the further removed you are from the actual aggression and revenge, the more sadistic it has to be.
It's like, well, then we get to bomb the entire Middle East since I can't actually smack somebody who insulted me.
Like the further away you are, the more extreme to get the same mental orgasm off of someone else's suffering.
It has to be more extreme.
But yeah, I see all these people.
Yo, you're going to get raped.
Oh, don't drop the soap.
It's like, you're sick.
Yeah, really?
I thought you hated rape jokes.
Now you love them?
What a strange double standard.
How did you not go insane in there?
Who said I didn't?
I mean, it was such a confluence.
You know what?
There were a couple of things that actually kept me sane.
And I don't know if we had, I'll try to tell this story really quick.
I've told it a million times, but you get to a point.
I was there for like two years, and I had no internet access.
I don't know if they do now, but this was 20 years ago.
Real quick, what happened that night was we had a violent relationship over a year.
She attacked me earlier that day.
I still got a scar on my elbow from when she bit me on a bus.
I called the cops that day and told them to forget about it.
But we got together again that night.
Dysfunctional as hell.
But then I woke up in the middle of the night.
I'm like, this is crazy.
I'm taking you home.
And I was insulting her the whole way over.
We pull up.
I'm like, I'm going to find some girl who's not crazy.
Get out of the car.
She didn't.
She lunged at me, scratched my face up.
I held her wrists.
And it's like, that was the fourth time she'd physically attacked me in the three weeks since I got a restraining order.
And inside, you know, internally, my eyes rolled in my head, like, why is she escalating?
I could have her arrested right now.
Why can't you just get out of the car?
And as I'm holding her wrists, we're struggling, and a black dude walks up, and it's only notable because it's Portland, and they're called the Trailblazers.
There are no other black people in Portland.
And you find that with the most anti-racist cities, there are no races in these anti-they're all white cities.
The less blacks in their area, the more they covet them.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
They're little mascots and everything.
But, you know, I'm like, and I'm such a malicious, controlling, evil, abusive guy.
I could have gotten her arrested right then.
I'm like, no, we're cool.
I turn back.
She punches me in the nose.
I see blood.
I freak out.
Okay.
But after two years, I couldn't get my story out.
She's all over the place talking to anybody who listened to her.
And you start to wonder, it's like, am I crazy?
Am I misremembering what happened here?
Because you know what?
I'd actually like to be just this abusive asshole because what happened to me is much worse.
I kept her out of jail and then I fell on my ass.
That's horrible.
Like, that's a complete loss of control and humiliation.
I started wondering.
I started thinking, like, did I misrepresent it to protect my ego or something?
Like, what's going on?
I almost wished that her version was true.
Then I was selled up with a guy named Richard Thomas.
This might be before your time, The Waltons.
Yeah, I remember the Waltons.
John Boy Walton.
Biggest drama of the 70s.
John Boy Walton was the main character.
His name was Richard Thomas.
This guy in my cell was also named Richard Thomas.
He said he was his cousin.
And he, in prison, if you have any notoriety, you're a superstar.
And he found out I was a writer.
He told his girlfriend to buy my redneck book.
And my picture's on the hardcover.
And she said that she thought I was a handsome guy or something.
Big mistake.
So for a couple of weeks, he's like, oh, you're getting some gray hairs there.
I see kind of wrinkles.
You're kind of losing your hair.
Like, one thing, after a while, I'm like, what the fuck is your problem?
He lunged at me.
I grabbed his wrist and thought, why does he have to do this?
Like, I could lose my good time.
Right.
The next click, this is exactly what fucking happened that night.
Like, I'm not crazy.
The world is for not believing.
And then she, it was like a month later.
She ran over somebody with her car.
Oh, yeah.
I remember that.
Wasn't she pushing for 10 years for you?
And the only reason you got two was because, what's his name, the Japanese guy, recorded her saying that she wants you to run?
Chejirachi is an Iranian name.
But what happened was they originally had a, this was back when you could get good time, but they had felonies that were called Measure 11 where you got no time off.
And these were automatic.
First offense, seven years mandatory.
So they originally had a grand jury.
I was supposed to do seven years.
When does this happen?
They wanted me so bad because I was a high-profile pariah in Portland.
Three months later, because usually they stack up charges and then plead down.
They threw out the original grand jury, held a second one, and I was facing 25 years.
Wow.
Day for day.
Day for day.
And you start thinking, in whose psychotic mind is this justice?
She had a black eye for a week.
And that's suffering, but me being in a cage, my life, that's not...
I had this quirk.
As much of a hate monger, monster as I'm supposed to be.
I think I see everyone as human more than almost anyone does.
I can see redeeming things in serial killers and stuff.
I thought putting her behind bars was too much.
Just leave me alone.
She didn't suffer from that kind of retarded mercy that I have.
But unless you've actually been incarcerated, it was Iceberg Slim.
I interviewed him and answered me number one.
Black Pimp, IQ of 175.
He said if he was like president, the one thing he would do is make everyone spend a year in jail.
Society would change overnight.
Because you see the dark side.
You see, oh, actually, it's not justice.
They're just the biggest gang.
And they can fuck with you harder than any Crip or any blood or any Antifa.
Yeah, there you go.
I went to this place, Eastern State Penitentiary in Pennsylvania.
Oh, there's a Craterford.
Yeah, it's the one that has like the, they invented this whole sort of windmill design where you can see everyone from the center.
And they would only usually, the toughest sentence was five years.
That's a guy who murdered his family.
And you were alone in your cell, which was not small.
It was like 20 feet by 20 feet.
Then you had another little back area.
You went through a little hole.
That area was like 10 feet by 10 feet, and you could see the sun.
And they give you the Bible, and they teach you a trade.
And the crazy part is, we don't know what the recidivism rate was because they respected these guys so much, they didn't keep any files.
So they just would burn it, and you were never in jail after.
But I think it was a success.
This just occurred to me.
In Ship Magna 2, I write about this.
By third grade, I got a reputation among the nuns and the teachers.
I was a bad person.
And they always treated me like a troublemaker.
But there was a substitute teacher, looked like Betty White from Mary Tyler Moore era.
She would come in and teach sometimes, and she always treated me nice and calling me.
And I never misbehaved.
And what I flashed forward to is they used to have this scared straight group come through the prison.
No one in prison acted like animals.
I mean, they farted and were loud.
But we're not barbaric.
But I remember every time they'd bring these kids through, we'd act like animals.
Because, hey, that's what you expect.
Like, we'd leer at them and try to scare them and everything.
Right, right.
It's like, if you're going to expect that of us, then we'll act that way anyway.
But you've got to think what you do to somebody's mind treating that way year after year after year.
Like I said, if you have a very weak person, okay, you've broken them.
But if you have anybody who has any kind of spine, they're going to come out wanting to kill.
Yeah, I think they're going to turn Proud Boys into a gang.
Like these guys are going to be in prison, which is crime school.
And we have tenants.
There's like a guidebook there.
So the next thing you know, there's going to be this Proud Boys gang.
And it might end up becoming a hate group.
I don't know.
Right.
I checked the demographics before we went on.
Oregon, and this was from 2016.
I was there like 1999.
Oregon is 75% white in the prisons.
New York is 75% non-white.
So you think they're going to get 25% white, 25% Hispanic, and 50% black.
Maybe the blacks rule the New York system enough to where there's somewhat of peace.
Oregon was so overwhelmingly white, there was peace.
Because you knew if you attacked a Peckerwood, you'd have a thousand of them on your ass.
Pecker would be a bit of a powerful.
When the stats are weird, where it's like, well, it's a third, this, a third, that.
That's when there's conflict.
But I'll bet that the guards, hey, hey, guys, look at these Nazis we just threw in here.
Yeah, I would advise those guys to PC protective custody up immediately because they're going to be targeted real quick.
Jesus Christ.
Well, what can we do to make Rape, how prevalent is that?
Is that as much as we see in the movies?
This is the thing.
Like, I interviewed Donny the Punk for Answer Me No.
4, who eventually died of AIDS.
He was raped 65 times the first weekend in D.C. County Jail in the early 70s.
He was a Quaker.
He protested the Vietnam War on the White House law and got a $10 fine.
And because he was a Quaker, it was immoral to pay an unjust, they threw him in D.C. County Jail and his ass was up and down the block, raped like into oblivion.
I was in for two and a half years, nine months in county jail, a year in a minimum, and then like another nine months at the penitentiary.
I never even heard of one rape happening.
And people are like, oh, get the fuck out of here.
And it's like, well, I think there's a couple reasons.
One is that there was, usually it's been statistically in other states, it's whites getting raped as some kind of racial revenge, where whites are severely outnumbered.
That wasn't the case in Oregon.
The other thing, too, is when I was in, there were 10 times as many inmates in America than there were 30 years prior.
They started arresting everybody and throwing everyone in jail.
30 years prior, you were dealing with murderers and rapists.
And so maybe it was a much less intense and hard population.
The other thing, people started suing.
So you talk about that Greater Ford where you can, it was Inverness Jail.
I write about this in the headache factory in Oregon, in Portland.
It was this dorm, 55 beds, but it was set up so everyone, unless you were in the shower where they could see your feet, everyone could see you at every minute of every day.
There was no privacy.
But that's good, isn't it?
I mean, for the purpose kind of insane.
Yeah, but did it prevent rapes?
Probably prevented rapes.
I'd rather be insane than rapes.
People started suing for that sort of thing, too.
Yeah, so I think that's what stopped it probably, is lawsuits more than anything.
Okay, that brings me to my last question.
As an outsider, what can we do?
Like, do visits really boost your spirit?
Paying for the commissary?
Those all big deals?
You know, it's the most depressing thing in prison when about 4 p.m.
You would watch the guard with the mail in his hand walk by and just go right past your cell.
4 p.m. on a Friday.
Because you knew you were not going to have any contact with the outside world until Monday at the very earliest.
It keeps you sane.
And I don't know how it works in New York, but like there are people, Ted Jirachi is one of them.
I think it was like $30 per half hour collect phone call.
That guy probably shelled out at least $10,000 worth of phone calls.
My panicked and took them, never reminded me.
But that kind of contact with the outside is the only thing that probably kept me from completely losing it.
Yeah, so it means the world.
Even put $10 on their books so they can get some pencils and shampoo and combs and whatever.
Yeah, I would imagine that's twofold.
Because one, I have money for pencils and shampoo.
And two, I just got a gesture from the outside world that I matter and someone cares about me.
Oh, hell yeah.
Yeah.
Because I mean, there are some guys, again, I think incarceration is too much punishment for just about anything short of murder or rape.
One day, maybe a thousand years from now, when we understand enough about neurology to understand why people commit crimes, I found out, I'm sure I've told you this before, I had that brain tumor.
It was growing when the crime happened.
If I had known about that, I never would have gone to jail.
If they had just known I'm epileptic, my lawyer told me, three months after I get sentenced, I'm in prison.
I call my lawyer.
I somehow came up I'm epileptic.
She's like, why didn't you tell me that?
I'm like, why would I have told you?
She's like, I could have gotten you off on that alone.
I think we've got to stop being all medieval and good and evil.
Nietzsche said, beware of those whose urge to punish is strong.
That's what fucked me over.
This girl kept attacking me.
It's like, I don't want to punish you.
Just go away.
A lot of people have no mercy and just want you tortured forever.
And it's like, well, don't be surprised if some of these people come out psychotic.
I mean, once you deny them their humanity, what's to gain with them acting human?
Yeah.
Well, edifying disposition.
And what happened in D.C. after the inauguration?
240 Antifa got arrested for rioting and they all got dropped.
Every one of their charges.
All charges always get.
The guy who beat Rand Paul got 30 days in jail.
He broke his ribs on the guy's property.
The bike lock professor got off with probation.
The Antifa that same night at my talk beat the shit out of a journalist, took his equipment, all probation, no charges, no media attention, nothing.
Free lawyers.
I hope one day they have robots dispensing justice.
Where it's like Germany, where if there's evidence, you've got to do it.
Your prejudices about who they are and what they think have nothing to do with it.
Maybe in the Terminator version of the world, we'd be better off.
I think so, because there's too much bias.
Guys obviously got fucked over because it was New York State.
If this has happened in Alabama, they might have gone to jail.
Who the hell knows?
But it shouldn't have any bearing.
If you're going to treat people equally, assault should be assault no matter if it's a communist or a Nazi or a Western chauvinist or a Boy Scout doing it.
It's the same crime.
Yeah, that's why the whole idea of hate crimes and enhancements based on what's in somebody's head is despicable.
I was going to say sinister, but that's getting into voodoo.
That's where we're at.
Jim, thanks for coming on the show.
Always interesting.
Yes, sir.
Take care.
That's what tortures me.
Take care.
Proud Boys did nothing wrong.
After weeks of terror, after a night of bullshit, when Antifa was outside of my talk screaming at people, harassing, calling the old woman who run the Manhattan Republican Club and telling they're going to rape her and stab her in the cunt.
Regularly using the word cunt, by the way, to this beautiful, nice, sweet old lady.
Vandalizing the event, threatening letters.
The entire left, the DNC, condoning violence on a regular basis, threatened to kill our president.
They're still doing it right now.
Tom Arnold just said he's going to JFK him.
And CNN saying the only way you can stop Trump is with a bullet.
It's mainstream to condone violence.
Violence against the right is mainstream.
So one day, two guys fought back, and now they're going to prison.
So I guess the solution is: well, don't fight back.
Just cower and hide, and don't speak your mind, and don't defend the president, and don't defend the West.
Just let the left dominate.
Let the DNC control you, or else you're in big trouble, right?
No, that's not the solution.
The solution is to keep fighting, to get fired, to get in trouble, to be brave, and never stop fighting.
Max and John, this is only the beginning.
We are going to push for an appeal starting right fucking now.
I bet I'd move it on a little farther down the line, far from Folsom Bridge.
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