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April 2, 2018 - Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes
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Get Off My Lawn #108 | I.C.E. Knowin' Ya
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Oh, that was the final in a week of Songs That Hate Me, my record collection, attacking me.
That band was Operation Ivy, starring Tim Armstrong.
Tim Armstrong was the guy who went on to create Rancid.
Good guy.
I think there was a little shout out to our side in his song Gilman Street, where he talked about, for those of you fighting for free speech, this one's for you.
Fingers crossed.
Tim Armstrong has a weird gift.
Just to be clear here, I hate Somalias.
I think their entire job is BS.
However, I do believe there are some freaks out there who have a tongue that can taste the difference between various wines.
They represent, I'm going to say, 1% of the population.
Everyone wants to be them and learn wine, but it's all a lie.
It's all astrology.
That doesn't mean that there aren't like 17 Somalis that are right.
My brother-in-law, for example, I do this blind taste test where I have people try beers.
And I've won hundreds of dollars because everyone is so arrogant.
Like, yeah, I know the difference between Jack and Makers.
They always get it wrong.
I always win the money.
It actually, I stopped doing it because it gets mean, especially with women.
They're so confident they know about bourbon.
Half the time, they can't differentiate between bourbon and vodka.
Try it yourself.
You'll be surprised.
But my brother-in-law just sat there once, blindfolded, and went, Coors Light, Miller Light, but it was incredible.
So he has a weird tongue.
And Tim Armstrong has a weird gift.
He was the one writing all those songs.
He was the one writing all rancid songs.
He just sits down and writes hits.
And he likes punk, so they end up being punky hits.
But the vocalist, Jesse, was apparently devoid of talent.
And, you know, history is a great judge of that.
So he hasn't done anything but a bunch of crappy drawings since then.
And he also is still stuck in this like, you're a racist thing.
So he's deleted all his tweets that criticized your lovable host, yours truly.
And all I have is my reactions now where he said, called me all right.
And I said, I've been opposing the crap out of them for years, hence their constant death threats.
Come on my show and discuss.
No, he doesn't want to discuss.
And then I said, this sort of sums up the week.
First Thilipp Quelly, now up IvyWise, my record collection always yelling at me.
This tweet is what inspired the whole theme this week, which is bands that hate me.
Me, me, me, me, me, me, me.
Front page of the post, we got a girl who grew up with a tiger mom and she loved it.
And then a guy who just took off.
Ice knowing ya.
Con escapes immigration agents at JFK.
Hail's cab.
He's gone.
You know who else did this once?
I believe Tommy Robinson did this.
Because I kept saying, you got to come to New York.
Let's do a tour together.
And he's not allowed in the States because I believe he just got sick of waiting at customs and being harassed.
And he just vanished.
You can't do that.
At least not and show your face again.
At least not do that and then show your face again.
I got to stop talking because today we have Katie Hopkins on the show speaking of ostracized Brits.
She is a warrior.
She is our braveheart.
She is this generation's braveheart.
She is a fearless woman who, as George Orwell did before he became a rock star with 1984, and he lived with the homeless in his book Down and Out in Paris in London.
She lived with the homeless the other weekend.
She goes to South Africa and sees firsthand the brutal carnage.
Did you see this in the news?
There's a woman who is going to face, he's going to prison for three years for using racial epithets.
Kefer is the equivalent down there of the N-word up here, and she said it at a cop a bunch of times.
So she's going to jail.
Meanwhile, children are being crucified and raped.
Toddlers are being crucified and raped in front of their parents.
And because those guys are part of the ANC, they can often skip charges.
So she goes down there and investigates that firsthand.
I get worried about her, actually, because she's a woman.
She's my age, younger than me.
And it's daunting to see someone, a female, go into these situations.
But she is totally and utterly fearless.
She was arguing with fat people on a show once, and they said, you don't know what it's like.
And she said, okay, she put on 50 pounds and then promptly lost it to show them how weak they are.
So I've been trying to get her for a long time.
I am thoroughly honored to have Katie Hopkins on the show.
And without further ado, I'm no longer pronouncing that wrong and saying to-do.
Miss Katie Hopkins.
Katie Hopkins, are you there?
I am here.
I am here talking to you.
You look like you're in an albino dominatrix dungeon.
Yes, that's absolutely correct.
I am.
I spend Mondays and Wednesdays and Fridays in an albino Matrix dungeon.
And on Tuesdays, I work at KFC.
Now, we lost our last white North African rhino recently.
Is that his leather behind you?
Yes.
I hunted him myself with a lot of firearms because I'm a Republican and a Conservative.
So obviously, like, we're mad about weapons and we just essentially have them at all times.
So I went out and shot the last white rhino.
And as a tribute, homage to the extinction of that species, I made a headboard out of it, which I think is, I think you'll agree, is very pretty.
They're very sensitive, aren't they, the left, about these pictures of giant lions and elephants and why would you kill such a beautiful creature?
And I always want to just jump in my Twitter and say, that's how that species thrives.
You make them economically viable.
It's good for the lion to get shot.
It's called counterintuitive thinking, you child.
Yes, there is.
I mean, it's a whole industry.
You know, a lot of these lions, just like we have on pheasant farms here, well, when I'm in the UK, we breed pheasants specifically in order for them to be shot.
It's so that the land is looked after, the pheasants are looked after.
And also, we make money out of stupid Londoners who work in banks and finance who come down and are rubbish at shooting, but think they can shoot the birds.
And actually, what happens is my colleagues stand behind the rich bankers and shoot the birds for them so that the bankers feel better.
You know, that's how it works.
Do you think we're at the most facile time we've been at in decades?
I mean, I think so.
Obviously, I've only been around for, you know, a couple decades because I'm young and, you know, a lot younger than you and a lot more relevant and a lot more in touch with the youth.
Yes, I think we are at, in terms of my lifetime, and I am only bloody 43, even though I look 65, I think we are at peak kind of censorship, peak offense, peak weirdness.
You know, today alone, we've had Julian Assange cut off at the embassy, so he no longer has the internet and he's not allowed visitors.
And then we had Tommy Robinson chucked off Twitter for good.
Yeah.
And not to mention, Lauren Southern banned from your country for good for a sort of performance art political statement where she said Allah is LGBTQ.
Yeah, which is kind of a weird idea, isn't it?
Because it would be unfortunate.
Bear in mind, she was joking.
But if Allah was gay, you know, according to her assertion, that would be a shame because Muslims aren't big fans of the gay community.
So I just don't see where that would work.
Would ISIS need to push him off the top of a building?
I don't know.
But I do feel sorry for Lauren.
You know, I think it was unacceptable, clearly, the treatment she received.
And what's interesting, of course, is that a day ago, yeah, a day ago, we sentenced the Parsons Green tube bomber, the subway bomber, and he came through the same port that Lauren tried to come through.
He came through Calais.
He told the officers there that he'd spent time, three months, training with ISIS.
He was trained to kill the infidel.
And we let him on into the UK.
We gave him a foster home.
We gave him an income.
And then he took a nail bomb and took it on the subway and tried to blow up school children on the underground.
But because he's a crap jihadi, he failed and his bomb didn't go off.
But my point is, we waved those people through very happily.
And poor little Lauren got stopped.
And I think she's been banned for life.
Yes, yeah, that's what her lawyers said, too.
It's not just a theory.
Well, that's what I mean about facile.
The general consensus is Nazis are bad.
So Lauren, although she made an acerbic and witty point with that display, the Allah is gay thing, it wasn't just, Allah is gay.
She was doing like a social justice warrior parody.
So it was good Jonathan Swift level satire.
Despite her doing that, she's a Nazi.
She has to go.
All other cultures are good.
So they come in.
And that's the way you think when you're seven years old.
And then we have these marches in America for these gun things.
And the general consensus of those marches is guns hurt people and we don't want children to die.
And you're watching them all going, are you eight?
I agree with you.
There's more to it than that.
Come on.
I know.
I do get really tired of these marches on two grounds.
You know, one, you're just going for a walk.
A bit like I told the ladies with their pussy march.
You know, you did just go for a walk with a banner.
That's what you did.
That's all you did.
It wasn't some big, you know, march, women's march and just like, march for our lives.
Well, you're not really marching for your lives, are you?
You're just going for a walk with a banner.
And some of these kids are a bit chubby.
You know, American kids are known as being the fattest on the planet, so a little walk probably did them good.
But the second thing that really bothers me about these walks that they do, walking everywhere, is they never clear up their damn banners.
So every time I go to cover these events, the day after, there's all their banners all over the place.
And these are all the environmentalists.
This is all the right-on kind of climate change lot.
This is all the, we must protect our planet, no rubbish in the oceans.
But they're very happy to dump all their rubbish little placards all over the place after every March.
That's my head in.
Well, there's a reason for it, too.
It's a definite classist disdain for the workers.
Despite them having signs that say workers unite, they don't really see the people in sanitation as viable human beings.
And they're just sort of tossing it there going, oh, we're providing work for them.
They can clean up my garbage.
At the end of the day, they're upper class twits who have no respect for the working man.
Yeah, I think that's perfectly true.
And I think, you know, all of these marches as well, what's fascinating is when you say to them, when you see them interviewed and they say, right, what's next for you?
What's next for this movement?
You know, what's going to happen next?
And those kids have never thought about it.
You know, even though they've clearly got media training, they've clearly had assistance, they've clearly got, I would say, some level of political sponsorship going on and celebrity endorsement and the backing of CNN and others.
No one ever sits them down and says, listen, kids, if someone says to you, what's next, you say this, this, and this.
And so you hear them go, oh, well, we're just going to march a bit more and, you know, go on social media.
What's actually going to happen right now is a whole bunch of kids that were used to being famous for about two minutes are going to sit around and wonder what on earth to do with their lives because there's going to be a massive hole now and they're used to being patted on the head and given attention and told they're fabulous.
Their little lives right now, they are not going to know what to do with themselves.
Yeah, it's going to be Stormy Daniels all over again.
Stormy Daniels is done now.
She's had her 60 minutes.
She will vanish back into the abyss.
And she's probably used to it because she's used to being treated like a useless slut.
But these kids, they're not going to be able to handle it.
Well, the thing I always say Too is like with the women's march.
I'm best friends with the president.
He owes me three favors.
I've got a pen and paper here.
Write down, women's marchers, three things, three major changes you'd like me to institute, and I'll take it to the boss.
And no one can give a solution, they just want more equality for women.
No, no, I need a specific law.
What do you want me to make abortion perfectly legal in every state?
Well, it is pretty darn legal in America, unfortunately.
I don't understand what any of these people want.
No, and when I asked them, I went to their pussy marches after the inauguration of Trump.
And the majority of women that were there hadn't come actually to Washington for the marches.
They'd come because they were told Clinton was going to win.
And so they'd already booked their accommodation and train tickets and they didn't want to waste it.
So they knitted some pussy hats and went for a walk, which is a pretty funny story in itself.
And then when I stopped these women and went, okay, why are you marching?
You know, one would go, because the polar ice caps are melting.
Why are you marching?
For LGBT rights.
Why are you marching?
Because Trump's not my president.
Why are you marching?
Because I've got varicose veins and, you know, I've got a droofy vagina.
Like, they never had a unifying purpose at all.
And then one of them had a banner I remember saying, I, what's it, my vagina?
No, my pussy is made of steel.
I mean, really?
What's that?
Great.
Well, the subtext was, Donald Trump likes to grab women's pussies just at random on the street.
And now that he's president, everyone, every male from four years old to 80 can just grab a baby's vagina or an old lady's vagina, some with Down syndrome's vagina, just vagina, vagina, vagina.
And they're saying, we don't want that.
And you feel like going, okay, there.
It's not the law.
You can't grab vaginas.
It's called assault.
Agreed.
And I did get into trouble, actually, because I went back to the UK and I was having a little rant about it on my radio show.
And I was saying, well, you know, these women, they say, my pussy's made of steel.
And I was like, well, I can shove a 24-ounce can of cores in my vagina sideways.
And I said that, and I forgot that I'd kind of moved over to the UK at that point.
And that ended up with me having the government regulator sending a transcript because I'd broken radio rules.
And then I had my boss, like this small white, short man, reading out the transcript to me in a kind of, you know, human resources meeting.
Which you can imagine a little white man in Britain going, and I can shove a can of cords.
And then he asked me, was that a joke?
And I said, oh, well, I can do it.
You know, it's a skill I do have.
I gave birth to a 12-pound baby with no stitches.
But, you know, I won't show you here.
And yes, it was a joke.
It would take me about nine hours, and it'll be excruciating.
But yes, technically, it is.
But when you keep getting robbed of great jokes, I wanted to bring this up.
You're on Irish television, and they're not known for their pussy power, their ability to get pussy jokes.
Look at this joke here.
So let's look at the setup.
I was kind of thinking just for a moment about this.
Just for a moment.
This is the man who talked about grabbing women by the pussy.
Is there any point, a part of you, that feels this is not my now?
I hate to dissect jokes, but I can see in your face you've thought of your brilliant comeback, and you have to wait for him to finish, which that hurts the delivery right there.
I don't want this guy to be talking like this about any woman at all.
Do you need to despair for the future?
And then he ruins your delivery by interrupting you.
That's infuriating as a fan of jokes.
Anyways, sweetie, I would rather be grabbed by the pussy than have a pussy for president.
Woo!
Go here, go here, go here.
Ah, so frustrating.
It was such a great joke.
It was a good line.
And the thing was, that audience, you know, so I'm looking up at like 200 Irish people.
And the way they've got that stage set, the audience are above you.
So what you're actually looking up at, because their audience doesn't sit politely, they all sit with their legs apart.
So you're actually looking up into about 200 Irish women's growlers when I was delivering that line.
So for me, it was kind of funnier than it was for the audience.
Yeah, well, it was funny for us too here on Twitter.
I've noticed too that, so we focus on all this trivia, like Lauren Southern might be a Nazi, or you made a Coors joke that was too rude.
Meanwhile, we're at a time where there's this tsunami of incredibly important issues, like the grooming gangs, like the Islamicization of Britain and all of Europe, but also like South Africa.
I didn't enjoy seeing you down there in South Africa because I was so worried about you.
But I think one of the reasons they're not reporting on it is because they cannot stomach the disgusting carnage that is going on there.
I think it's partly that, you know, I think there's a lot of, they don't, even to try and tell the story, it's too unbelievable.
You know, it sounds incredulous to me.
It sounds like a bit like a right-winger, you know, banging on.
I totally get that.
So you say, well, yeah, they broke in to this man and woman's farm, the white farm they wanted back, and they took the 82-year-old and they strung her up.
Then they went and plugged in her iron that she used for her ironing.
And then they proceeded to burn her all over her body for two hours.
And then they got a blowtorch and took it to the inside of the thighs of the 86-year-old gentleman.
That sounds like me just coming up with some horribly crude thing that I've imagined.
This is, you know, the reality of it.
And when I spoke to the editors of the newspapers, because I specifically went to see them to see why they're not covering the story, they said, well, white death just doesn't do that well for us in South Africa.
People don't click on it.
It doesn't get much traction.
Unbelievable.
Well, it doesn't get traction here in the West either.
And I almost always regret Googling it because you learn about a three-year-old who was gang raped, a three-year-old, then she lives, so they wrap the body in newspaper and burn it.
Or a four-year-old who is crucified on the kitchen table and then raped in front of her parents.
And you go, I don't know, like I have a limit to what my brain can handle and my brain can't handle this.
So then we have politicians in Australia who go, okay, the government is sanctifying this.
The government is almost making it law to torture these white farmers.
Let's bring them in here.
And then the priority becomes: he's a racist for suggesting such a thing.
Yeah, absolutely.
And in a way, I think, you know, I'm pulling together the documentary now.
I just spent the week before in Canada pulling the documentary together.
It's not too, you know, I don't think we have to go into the gruesome details too much, actually.
I think it plays to the very worst of us and the worst of mankind in some ways.
There's much more power, I think, in, you know, for example, Mariandra.
Her husband was shot in front of her and her little six-year-old daughter offered the black gangs her piggy bank if they would let her mummy live.
You know, I think we have ways of capturing this and capturing people's thoughts without having to take them down the gratuitous violence, which is also reality.
And I also have footage there on my documentary from a policeman who confirms that the police are in on this.
They provide the weapons very often for these farm attacks because they get a cash payback.
And also we have footage from a farm attacker himself who works with the gangs, providing them with information.
He gets onto the farms to find out where the safe is, how many daughters there are, where the children sleep.
And he says himself, he gives a very detailed account about why they choose to rape children or whatever.
So I think the documentary is going to be able to pull punches without having to fill people up with the stuff that none of us almost don't want to hear.
And my intention is to shove that documentary in as many people's faces as I can just to help these stories be told.
I don't know if I agree with you, Katie.
Finally, I find something I disagree with you.
I want the gratuitous violence.
I want people to see the four-year-old with her cheeks cut open because if the races were reversed, we wouldn't hear the end of it for decades.
It would be repeated and shown and taught in schools, but we're not allowed to talk about it when it happens to us.
And they come with these excuses, like they say, oh, black and black violence is worse.
Well, yes, black and black violence is more common because there's more blacks, but as far as the level of violence goes, the sadism, the farms are totally unique.
You do not see that in downtown Soweto.
No, and statistically, you know, they try and bury this stuff in statistics.
So they try and say, well, South Africa is a very violent country and against this violent backdrop, there isn't really a problem.
But if you call out the statistics more truthfully, which is, you know, the number of murders of white farmers over the total population of white farmers, you end up with 59 deaths per 100,000.
If you work as a police officer in South Africa, there's 55 deaths per 100,000.
And I went to the Institutes of Security Studies and they confirmed that it is much more dangerous to be a white farmer in South Africa than to be a policeman.
And the policeman himself confirmed that within three years, there will be no more white farmers in South Africa.
And very much back to our story, our joke earlier about the white rhino, you know, people care, the white farmer is up there with the white rhino on the extinction list.
But because he's not a white rhino, no one cares.
Well, it's also not like these people take over the farm and then it's a thriving tobacco farm that just happens to be owned by blacks.
Something like 90% of these farms become defunct and just become self-subsistence.
What's the word I'm looking for?
For the local families.
So self-subsistence, the five people who live there can grow enough food for them.
Meanwhile, that farm was helping to feed South Africa.
These people are going to go hungry soon because they won't have any food.
And I'm talking about the country.
It's food security, you know, water security, food security.
So on those two fronts, water security, currently Cape Town has only got, I think it's 34 days of water left.
It will be the first international city to run out of water due to mismanagement by the government.
Then, of course, you've got the example of Zimbabwe, where they chased all the whites off the land, gave the land back to the blacks, and the blacks turned up, wrecked the farmstead, took the tyres, the wheels, anything they could sell, didn't farm the land.
And of course, now Zimbabwe requires food aid.
It used to be known as the breadbasket of South Africa, you know.
And the same is going to happen in South Africa itself.
For the first time now, it's a net importer of food.
And very soon, it's going to be asking the West for food aid.
And that's really the point where I see myself with my documentary saying, we called this out five years ago.
We told you this was happening.
And now you want to spend multi-million pounds sending food aid to the place where you oversaw the slaughter of the farmers.
And you know, and I know that's going to happen.
Well, we already are seeing the denial too.
It's so strong.
You're right that it's inevitably going to go food and water bankrupt.
But we're seeing AJ Plus say Australia is racist and there is no massacres going on.
It's all a lie.
In fact, the government says that the farmland violence isn't an issue.
This is the same government singing, kill the boar, kill the farmer.
It's shocking how willing these useful idiots are to toe the line.
Even AJ Plus itself is owned by some Saudi Arabian sheiks who love torturing people.
Of course, and you know what?
If there's someone, so Cyril Ramaposa stands up at the State of the Union address, you know, and he says, we will have land expropriation without compensation.
Okay, Cyril, fine.
Then you translate that to the EFF, the economic freedom fighters, the kind of IRA arm, the terrorist arm, the Hamas arm of the ANC, and it starts to become kill the boar.
You translate that to a poor guy on the ground with a machete, and that's right, I'm going to gouge the eyes out of this guy and chop his tongue off and then string up his wife.
And that's precisely what's happening.
So the government language really matters because on the ground it translates to a guy having his arms chopped off at the elbow and his wife being suffocated with a plastic bag.
And that's definitely what's going on.
And the police also confirm that if someone's arrested and they're a brother, meaning they're a member of the ANC or EFF, just like a card-carrying member, like anyone can be, then they get let go.
And even in the hospitals, the state hospitals now, because of the language of the ANC, doctors and nurses are turning away white people if they turn up at state hospitals because they feel they have a mandate to kill white people.
Were you scared when you were there?
I want to say no, right?
so the Katie Hopkins in me goes, No, no, it was no.
But I was.
You know, I was.
I didn't tell anyone I was scared because that's never a good idea.
But I slept on farms.
You know, one of the things I said when I left home, look, I'm a mum of three kids.
And sometimes my son, he's nine, sometimes he thinks there's monsters in the night, like behind the wardrobe or whatever.
And we go in his room and show him there's no monsters and it's all fine.
And I always said, like, as a mum, I wanted to go on these farms and sleep there.
And I wanted to be like these other mums who put their children to bed on farms.
But actually, the night time is when the monsters come.
And there are monsters, and the monsters are real.
And so I went and slept on these farms.
And I can tell you, in the night, there is something, as soon as you hear a noise, you think that's it.
You think they're in.
And then it's very, you know, they're behind gates, behind bars, there's security cameras.
But the noises in the night, it's so, how they live with that all the time, I don't know.
And there was also a time when I was detained at the airport and they took my passport away.
And there was a time then when I was scared, not because of not being able to leave, but because I was scared that if I ended up, you know, if you end up being detained, it doesn't work well for you, you'll be raped or attacked or whatever.
So I was scared then.
And I was thinking, I met a lady who was raped by a gang of five men.
And she said that her girlfriend, the advice with white women in South Africa is if you're going to be raped by a gang, you try and, I don't want to go into too much detail, but you try and defecate because that turns them off.
And I honestly was stood at, when they had my passport thinking, could I do that?
So that's a strange thing to think when all you've done is gone and chatted to people and try and tell a story.
I mean, they were actually trying to stop me going into the country, but luckily I'd got in and got my footage and got the truths out of there before they managed to stop me going in.
So I feel grateful for that.
Well, you know what's strange too?
When I talk to South Africans about this who are in the heat of the moment, who are in the lambs being led to slaughter, and one of their primary concerns is not coming across as racist.
I spoke to a lot of South Africans, people who are down there.
I never heard one racial epithet.
I never heard any kind of offensive language.
And I thought, there's something about us, Westerners and whites in particular, where we will die before we're seen as racist.
It's a bizarre trait that you don't see in any other group.
It is.
And for me personally, it's not something I recommend for others necessarily, but I say, okay, sure, I'm a racist.
You know, you call me racist.
Yeah, sure, I'll take that label.
Oh, I'm misogynist.
Okay, fine.
And fattest and Islamophobic.
Oh, okay.
I'm a bigot as well.
So I say yes.
And then when people throw these labels, I like to point out the one they missed.
You know, maybe, oh, you missed sexist.
You didn't get that.
And so I, because there's so many labels that they lose all meaning.
And I truly believe the word racist has lost all meaning.
Like, if you repeat it too many times, it becomes so meaningless.
So if people want to believe I'm a racist, you know, Media Matters used a phrase yesterday, racist commentator Katie Hopkins.
Like, like that was my new name.
Yeah, it's part of your job.
It's on your business card.
Yeah, yeah.
My job is to be a racist commentator.
Well, I've been regularly just suing these people, not suing them in court, but sending a lawyer letter every time I get the Nazi thing.
And my lawyer recently said, we're losing our angle.
We're losing our footing because that word has been diluted down to jerk.
And I can't legally threaten people for calling you a jerk.
It's a matter of opinion.
So Nazis lost its meaning.
And that's good and bad, I guess.
It's good in a way because it means, you know, were you to try to be prosecuted or someone to try to remove you for being a racist, then clearly that bar is going to be quite high of what they have to set.
But it is frustrating for us that they are so able to just say, racist columnist, you know, as if that's your preface.
And we have nothing to say about it.
And it's like, say they called you gay.
I mean, it's not true.
It's not like I'm tossing and turning all night.
Oh no, you called me racist.
It's just not factually correct.
So that's annoying that you're a reporter saying that.
It is.
And, you know, what they're trying to do, obviously, is before you even look, before you even have a chance to process the content, is to label you so that it's a signpost in many ways, just as if you were driving down the freeway to signpost you so that people can think, oh, I don't need to take this seriously.
I can dismiss this person.
I don't need to listen to what they're saying.
And I think in many ways, my way of countering that is to go back to try and do journalism in the way that we, you know, old school.
Like, so going on Skid Row, just walk Skid Row, look at Skid Row, tell my truths of Skid Row.
And in many ways, by doing that, by getting out to the stories, as you know, you counter a lot of that because you're just presenting what you saw.
Yes.
And you're not labeling it.
You're not adding your own commentary to it very much.
You're just directing people's attention.
And that's what I'm trying to do with my audiences now is help direct their attention to things and removing my own commentary from it slightly.
Yeah, the gonzo journalism, the immersionism, I've always called it.
Barbara Ehrenreich did that at Nickel and Dime.
George Orwell did that in Down and Out in Paris and London.
It's how you get the real story.
I'm really glad you brought this up.
And I'm sorry to drag on this interview for so long.
I'm so happy to get you.
No, it's totally fine.
I can't shut up.
I was worried about you too with the homeless people.
So you spent a weekend with the homeless in LA.
Yeah, so I decided, you know, every time I'm in LA, someone drives by or I'm in a car or whatever and they point out, oh, that's Skid Row.
And, you know, drive by, you don't want to go there.
And all the people, oh, it's terrible there.
And, you know, even in a hotel two blocks away from Skid Row, I asked for a map just of the area, like a tourist, and they gave me a map and it had a sticker on it.
And I looked and that sticker was stuck over Skid Row, over the five or six blocks of Skid Row.
And it was a really bizarre moment for me, like kind of linguistically or, you know, if you think about it in terms of images, the idea that you can stick a sticker on something and that makes it go away, even if you only live two blocks from it and you're in a major hotel where you probably should be informing your guests.
So I decided, right, I will spend two days, two nights on Skid Row and see for myself and tell my truth, whatever those are.
And actually, it was, you know, I've spent nights in migrant camps, I've spent nights at Calais, I've crossed the Med with the migrants into Sicily.
I've seen my fair share of disgusting, but Skid Row is something else.
So it is, it is, it's, it's, like I think about the way I walked.
It's, so your feet, I don't know if you've ever been skiing or you've walked in mud, but it's slippy underfoot.
The pavements, the sidewalks, the roads, they're slippy because there's so much human waste.
The rats are everywhere.
So the rats, literally, I saw rats, rats, rats, rats, rats.
They're on your ankles, they're over your shoes, they're everywhere.
I walked part, the clip Tucker wouldn't show, because Tucker hosted the report as well.
He wouldn't show the clips where we walked past the sidewalks that are used as the toilets, so where people just go to the bathroom on the sidewalk.
But even if you're camping, you have a designated area for that.
Yeah.
No, there is human waste everywhere.
And it's not just the overwhelming stench of urine.
It's everywhere you look, there's a rat eating on that stuff and a rat around it.
It reminded me perfectly of a historian's kind of example of London in the 1600s, you know, when there were slops thrown and there was the human waste and then there were the rats.
And just before the outbreak of the bubonic plague, when you'll remember, it was the fleas on the rats that gave everybody the plague.
And I honestly can see sometime quite soon there being a major human, you know, there's a human health hazard there that's beyond just about caring for people with mental problems and the homeless.
There is a human health time bomb about to go off this summer, I'd suggest, in the center of downtown LA.
That's shocking.
And, you know, the amazing thing about it, you going to South Africa and going there, is you have people at home on their couch in their socks typing out, no, she's wrong about this and that's racist.
And you think, you're not there.
You're sitting telling those of us who go to Israel, who go to Texas during the flood and hand out water, you're sitting there with this old Nazi trope trying to trivialize everyone else's accomplishments because you haven't accomplished anything.
It's particularly frustrating.
That's so true, Gavin.
And you know, there is a frustration I have as well with people on our team.
And when I say our team, I don't mean a political side or I don't mean anyone who agrees with us or disagrees with us.
It's not albeit or liked.
I don't care if someone likes me or hates me.
It doesn't matter.
But on our team, even if you hate me, where we believe that you should be able to say what you think and say how you feel and not receive punishment for it, you know, where we need to break through is spend less time opinionating on social media and more time going out, finding our truths, sharing them and offering them up to other people for them to make their own decisions on.
And I think the more we get out there, the more we get off Twitter and just use Twitter as a platform to show our truths, the better we do.
And I would so encourage any of your supporters to go out and find your truths.
Tell your little stories.
Go to the council meeting.
Report back on that on Twitter.
You know, I think that's how we can really move the needle on this thing.
Yeah, great point.
Don't knock it till you try it.
That's really inspiring.
I mean, that's what journalism was.
That's how we got so smart because we would say to the other caveman, stay away from saber-toothed tigers.
I went there.
They've got huge teeth as opposed to monkeys that just go, we, we, that doesn't help.
Right, right, exactly.
And what I say, you know, would say, if I may, to people, and I'm not trying to teach you what to do, but you've all got an iPhone or you've all got some kind of tablet or something.
So instead of following, if you see everyone else diving into a crowd because there's been a bit of an RGB argy or someone set a flag on a light, don't stand next to someone else and take the same picture they're taking of that flag burning.
Go find the other story.
Go tell the quiet truth.
Don't take the same pictures as everyone else is taking.
Find the new story no one's telling in the quiet sidelines of the thing and share that on Twitter.
You know, look to tell the truths that we know are out there.
Even if it's in your own home and it's about the way you feel, talk about how you feel and your truths and find the stories that matter and help share those.
Because I think as conservatives, we can help the cause by doing exactly that.
Yes, the cause that you can fit in your vagina sideways.
Yes, the 24 ounce.
I would like to make that very clear.
It's a 24 ounce, not a regular small can.
King can, I believe it's called.
But Katie, this is all very inspiring.
The one sort of flaw is we are petrified about your safety.
Please tell us that when you're sleeping with these homeless people in their feces and you're going to these hell holes, these shit holes like South Africa, that you're with a giant bodyguard who's heavily armed.
So no, I didn't have, I mean, well, no one, yes, but I didn't have security on Skid Row.
And I do, I, you know, I feel like I know how to handle myself.
Like at Speaker's Corner, I was there.
I wasn't even showing my face.
I was showing support.
I was just another body on the ground because of Lauren, because of Brittany.
But you were getting tossed around.
I saw that footage.
I wasn't happy about that.
Well, what happened, I was, so I had my huge hood.
No one knew I was even there.
It was all perfect.
And then I saw a guy getting surrounded.
I saw that he was getting into trouble.
And so I went to stand in front of the crowd so they could, to give him some space.
And then I felt like I should show my face because otherwise I was being duplicitous.
So, but it was good.
They, you know, I was able to stand my ground and that's important.
But when I was in South Africa, I did have security, fabulous armed security.
Five guys, well armed, able to defend me.
And at no point did I ever worry for my safety other than when I thought I was going to be detained and be taken from my security.
But yeah, I had a security team and I'm very grateful for that.
But usually I'm out and about on my own and I just scurry about looking like this, like this little kind of, you know, cruise director.
And no one pays me much attention.
Well, you're an inspiration.
You're living the life of a 20-year-old.
And I think most 20-year-olds should be ashamed of themselves that they're wasting their youth.
Yeah, we all want to, you know, I'm lucky in many ways.
So people know or don't know.
It's not a story I share often, but I feel like you and I just chatting in my hotel room.
So I'll probably overshare as normal.
But, you know, I was epileptic for so many years, like from 19 till 41.
And then earlier this year, no, last year, 2017, I got my epilepsy surgery and my fits have been stopped.
So I've been cured.
And in some ways, you know, with my epilepsy, where I was at, I only had really, they said two years probably before a fit got me, you know, because my fits were extreme.
So I had this kind of two-year lifespan at 39.
And then it turns out I've got a new life now.
So I'm so grateful for it and so grateful to the surgeons and so grateful to still be alive that I may as well live it big.
Yes, but you were still a maniac back when you had epilepsy or gaining weight to show how easy it was to lose weight.
You've always been a mad woman.
Yeah, well, no, I'm just not a big fan of fat people.
And I got really fed up with fat people telling me I was lucky to be thin.
So I put on half my body weight, 52 pounds in three months to prove that actually if you sit on your ass and you eat too much, you get fat.
And that really pissed them off.
Beautiful.
Well, Katie, thanks for coming on the show.
We'd love to have you back.
Constant inspiration, not just to me, but to young people like you everywhere.
You're 27 in my eyes.
That's absolutely.
I think you're 26, I think.
But yeah, 27.
Yeah, that's pretty much where I register.
But I say to young people, go out there, take your phones, find your quiet truths and share those.
Don't follow the mob.
Don't follow the crying kids from the, you know, blooming Florida lot with their marches.
Go find your truth and tell your story and make it matter.
And that way we join together and we get our voices heard.
Great advice.
Brilliant advice, actually.
Thanks for coming on the show.
Thank you for having me.
Do you ever become so gay your eyes fall out?
That's what appears to be happening here.
We're looking at the new NFL cheerleaders breaking barriers, and they appear to be taking in African-American homosexuals of color.
And I don't know.
You ever heard of having your brains f ⁇ ed out?
Something is not right about this guy in the middle here.
This guy on the left seems to be doing okay with the gay lifestyle and its libidinous pastimes.
But the guy in the middle here, I don't know.
What happened to him?
Dude, are you okay?
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