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Oct. 24, 2017 - Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes
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Get Off My Lawn #17 | Give Pizza Chance
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Take another pill from your purse.
Take another ride in a hearse.
Sing from the diaphragm in a hearse.
It's Paul Westerberg screaming there.
The replacements, I think that album, that song is from Let It Be, maybe.
Sorry, Ma.
Forgot to take out the trash.
They're a band like Hoosker Doo that started out hardcore and then became very talented pop musicians.
So if that was a little too intense for you, please check out Please to Meet Me or one of their later albums.
I was in a band that opened for their bassist Bob Stinson.
He was in a punk supergroup called Cheetah Chrome and the Mother Effers.
And he was not allowed into Canada because he peed on the Border Guard on the way up to our show.
Whoops.
The rest of the band showed.
And Bob Stinson later died of booze, died of partying.
That's the life of a rock star.
So ladies, if you are over 25, stop dating musicians and stop dating comedians.
They are not in for the long haul.
Sorry to use Bob Stinson as an example, but they're on the road too much.
Some of them end up being producers and sound engineers.
Okay.
Owning a label?
Sure.
But most of them, no, don't do it.
Give Pizza Chance is on the cover of the New York Post.
Rikers, our local jail, which sucks, is giving out pizza when inmates are good.
The union said, I'm not a fan of rewarding inmates when they don't beat the crap out of one another.
Screw you, chief.
Food sucks in jail.
Give these guys some pizza once in a while.
Stop putting men in cages all the time.
I think most of the people at Rikers are just waiting for their trial.
Sometimes they're there for years.
They're allowed to have pizza.
Jesus.
I love cops, but sometimes their boss really pees me oh.
Isn't it fun not swearing?
Today, Corporal Nathan Cirrillo, actually, I think it was yesterday, we're commemorating the third year anniversary of his death.
Now, this was a guy, don't play the volume, we'll just have this play in the background.
This was a guy who was guarding the war memorial in Canada three years ago.
And he was dressed in the Rangers uniform.
Lots of different divisions in the Canadian military wear kilts because Scotland is a very integral part of Canada's history.
Way even with the early British, 200 years ago, you had the Scots settling Canada and the Highlanders were great warriors.
The Brits forgave themselves for working with the Scots by saying it takes a thief to fight a thief.
And Nathan Cirrillo is double commemorating that.
One in his uniform by wearing a kilt and commemorating a contribution that's hundreds of years old.
And then also in front of the war memorial, he's guarding that.
So that already says tomes about the proper way to acknowledge past contributions, something we seem to be forgetting more and more every day with all this statue talk.
But here's something even more analogous, even more shocking, even more prophetic.
The gun he's holding right now, the gun he's holding, had no bullets in it because the government thought that would be too dangerous.
So, three years ago, yesterday, he was shot by a terrorist, Michel Zibot, I believe his name was.
And he couldn't fight back because he was not armed, even though he's carrying a machine gun.
Mikel Zief Bibot, here's something.
This one story, maybe it's because I know it so well, because I was in Canada working at Sun News with Ezra Levant when all this happened.
There was another killing that week.
Patrice Vincent, Warren Officer Patrice Vincent, was run down by another white Muslim who had been radicalized in Canada with anti-Canadian rhetoric that the Halifax Five were pilloried for daring to question.
Canada hates Canada.
America hates America, at least when you're looking at liberals.
And what they don't realize is that ends up radicalizing potential jihadists.
The guy who ran down Patrice Vincent was just a jock, a random dude.
But he kept getting told his culture sucks so much, he went, all right, well, I'm going to burn it down.
Isn't that what you want, Islam?
So yeah, two deaths that week.
And neither of them will be talked about.
I don't think you're going to see much about these cases.
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
And by the way, the one who killed Nathan Cirrillo, that Zeebo guy I just showed you, his mother, I believe her name is Sarah Zeebo, you know what her job is?
She works at the government, and her job is to assimilate immigrants and make sure that they are Canadian and they enjoy being in Canada.
She couldn't even assimilate her own son.
What a mess.
And this, by the way, I know Americans don't care about Canada, but you should because this is the canary in the coal mine.
He was really into his dog.
I think that's why there's so many dogs at this funeral.
Anyway, what else is going on?
I got Milo on today's show.
Pre-recorded interview I did last week.
Milo and I will be talking about DePaul, the largest Catholic school in the country where neither of us can speak, but terrorists can have fundraisers there.
If you're pro-life, nah, you're not really welcome.
I talked to a college Republican there who was prevented from having a pro-life rally because they thought that would offend people at a Catholic college.
It seems to be one of the most un-Catholic, Catholic institutions there is.
Although the Pope's talking about having Muslims play in the Vatican.
I don't know if Catholicism...
We'll be talking to a Catholic actually after Milo, Matt Frad.
Matt Frad wrote a great book called The Porn Myth, and he's going to talk to us about how evil porn is, which we agree with, which we discovered accidentally on a dare.
Dante Nero and I dared each other to quit masturbating and noticed our lives just improved.
My marriage got better.
Everything Just seemed better.
That's why wanker is an insult.
Stop jerking it.
I have a men's club called The Proud Boys, and I saw some woman the other day.
She had a shirt.
She had a shirt that said, kill rapists.
All right.
And she was carrying a sign that said, hey, Proud Boys, jerk off more.
Because now we're rapists to these people, this men's club.
And there she is.
She's got a weird face.
You know what's fascinating about this kind of face?
Depending on how much weight she loses and how much makeup, she could vacillate from a five to an eight.
There's something about chubby white girls with big lips where they have an incredible range of beauty that they can play with.
It's up to them.
But this weekend was fun.
So I went to a drag show.
It's a restaurant called Lips that's really just chubby girls screaming at the top of their lungs and doing shots while drag queens flounce around.
And Milo made me go there because he thought it would be weird, and it was very weird.
It was also unbelievably loud.
I'm talking to Pam, someone I could talk to for 100 years.
I'd like to be locked in a room with her with just a laser pointer and a, you know, actually nothing, just two chairs.
I'd love to talk to her.
But she's screaming across the table because she has to.
I'm like this, trying to hear her because the music is blaring.
I almost sort of, it was like an out-of-body experience at one point because I just hear, and I think I'm kind of, I feel like I'm on acid right now.
All I could do is scream back, I can't hear you.
But what I found most fascinating about this time at Lips, and it got publicity, there was some article about how we went there to cause a scene.
And when a scene wasn't caused and the staff was professional, there was no, there was, we had to make a scene.
I took that picture.
But no, there was, the staff had no idea who we were.
They're not involved.
Not everyone follows your blog, liberal media.
Not everyone cares who I am and who Milo is and who Pamela Geller is.
But I was stunned by the lack of talent.
I mean, I'm familiar with drag queens.
My wife's what they call a fag hag.
I've been around drag queens quite a bit, but I hadn't really sort of like paid attention as a sober person.
And I just thought, all you do is memorize songs and mouth them.
And the songs you're mouthing, by the way, involve incredible work and talent, like ABBA and stuff, you know, orchestras.
And all you're just doing is going with tons of makeup on.
And here's what drove me nuts about this experience.
None of them were wearing high-heel shoes.
They all had flats on because they're big burly men.
And I think, and high-heel shoes were a major icon in the place.
They had, you know, high-heel shoes above the bar and the menus have high-heeled shoes on them and high-heel shoes, high-heel shoes.
And they can't even do that little piece of hard work.
They can't even be in that amount of discomfort.
And I just thought, you guys are some of the least talented people I've ever been around.
And I find you're almost like, it's almost like a Sambo act where you're mocking women and mocking femininity.
And if you were doing this with, say, blacks, you know, with exaggerated black features, it would be really offensive.
And then Pamela starts screaming exactly that.
And then, you got a picture of this?
She gets on stage.
She got on stage.
Oh, there, play a second of that.
That's a video I did with myself.
Like, I know that's only three seconds, but you're just sitting there, sort of bored, doing this routine you worked out together as It's Raining Men plays, which by the way was written by David Letterman's guy, Paul Schaefer.
And you think, what's the talent here?
What am I watching?
So yeah, Pamela Geller gets on, there she is, and she starts screaming, this is wrong with her Long Island accent.
This is wrong.
And then that drag queen just holds her arm and goes, okay, crazy lady, let's leave.
And some lesbians were screaming at her.
But afterwards, I went for a meeting, a proud boy thing, and I brought Milo.
I said, come with us.
It'll be fun.
So we go to some student bar and God, Milo's a pariah.
All these students start, second they see him, they start screaming, Nazi, Nazi.
He's got to run the gauntlet as they hurl insults at him.
At one point, by the way, some guys, we were on the balcony.
We were sort of sequestered to the balcony because they were watching a game and I didn't want Milo to get killed.
And some guy is on the street and he's yelling up, I'm Indian.
I was born in Texas, but I'm Indian.
An Indian is with us, East Indian I'm talking about, obviously.
And I go, we got one of those two.
What's your point?
And then Milo goes, darling, I think I should leave.
This is getting a little tense.
And I go, oh, hold on, hold on.
And I go to walk him out.
I'm busy dealing with tons of stuff here.
And I feel bad about this.
I should have escorted him out, but he had his manager with him.
And as he's leaving, he told me later, they're screaming, Nazi, Nazi, at him.
And you just think, how did we get here?
Unbelievable.
Do you want to debate him?
What exactly did he say?
And inevitably, and they do this with me too, inevitably they'll find an example of how you're a horrible person, and it'll be a joke taken out of context that does sound incendiary on its own.
But if you're incurious, you just take that narrative and run with it.
And I have the opposite tendency now, having been on the other end of this.
Every time I'm reading the paper, I'm almost like, nah, yeah, let's see, let's see.
Yeah, maybe, maybe it was like that.
I'm not sure I trust you.
All right, so before we get to Milo and Matt, some other items in the news.
One of my favorite news items of all time.
Robert Mugabe has been elected the Ambassador of Goodwill by the World Health Organization.
Now, I've always been obsessed with Mugabe.
I remember one of my favorite lines about him is he wears 14 karat gold glasses.
And the author said, it wasn't clear whether he was wearing the glasses or the glasses were wearing him.
He's this little tiny diminutive black man who rode the coattails of Mandela into genocide.
I mean, he said to the Rhodesian white farmers, we need your land.
And then he started this group, I believe they're called the War Veterans, kids, 13 year olds, 14 years.
He said, go take their land.
You will not be prosecuted if you murder these white farmers and take their land.
By the way, they took the land, and what happened?
The farms dry up.
They don't know how to run a tobacco farm.
They're kids.
But he just confiscated their land.
Meanwhile, when Rhodesia converted to Zimbabwe, it was nothing but carnage.
And not just for human beings, for animals too.
Elephants dehydrated, lying there like a pair of big bags of leather.
Eventually, the only way that wildlife was saved, by the way, was privatizing it.
So there was an incentive.
So, you know, these dentists that you get mad about killing a lion are really the best thing for lions.
But Ann Coulter tweeted out that the WHO nominated the...
I mean, really, what we're learning here is if Goodwill now means killing white people, that's really what you're saying when you make Mugabe the Goodwill Ambassador?
One of my longest-running barroom conversations is why is Mugabe alive?
He's killed so many mothers and brothers and sisters, black and white, that you'd assume that one of these family members would just go pretend they're doing an article about him and bite his eyes off or something.
I said it to Penny Rimbaud of Crass, the band Crass, once that I visit every summer.
He goes, well, obviously you don't understand that the American government is the one propping him up.
If you would even try to kill him, the Americans would kill you.
Shut up.
I don't know whether I respect Penny or not, but that was insane.
Also in the news, so there was some demonstration where a Nazi showed up and a black man went up to him and hugged him.
This looks so fake.
It's unbelievable.
Now, I used to fight these guys in the 80s.
I remember skinheads would come to our punk shows and they would beat us up.
They were poor kids who had no dad, who'd been fighting every day of their lives, and we were scared little middle-class kids, so they were better than us.
But they didn't look like this.
They didn't have swastikas, four swastikas on the shirt with these big thick contractor suspenders that a carpenter would wear.
They wore skinny red braces, they were called.
I call BS on this.
I think this is completely fake.
There's other pictures of him, too.
You ever got that other picture of him?
Look at this.
He's got his weird headphones on.
He might as well have a foam swastika hat on, a styrofoam swastika hat.
This is fake.
Now, I don't know who did this.
Did Antifa do this?
Did the government do this?
Is this some sort of a...
I don't know why they do this.
I don't know what it's to foment, if it's Soros or what it is, but this stinks.
This looks really suspicious.
Why are they creating fake Nazis?
I don't know.
Do you have the one where he's wearing shorts?
Nice shorts, Nazi skinhead dude.
Is this bizarre?
I think it would be fascinating.
Hey, real journalists out there, can you find out who this guy is and why whoever is making fake Nazis?
I'm deeply confused by it.
Anyway, let's join me and Milo discussing the fact that neither of us, as Catholics, are allowed to speak at a Catholic college, the biggest in America, when Razma Ode, a terrorist who killed two Israelis, can go do a fundraiser there.
I was thinking about this the other day.
DePaul.
You and I could never do a talk at DePaul.
No.
DePaul is the biggest Catholic school in America.
Yes.
It's actually the least Catholic school in America.
It's looking like that.
Yeah, really.
You know how many abortion activists are on campus at DePaul?
It's one of the biggest societies on campus.
And I heard that the...
I don't know what they call it, Paul.
It's some kind of clerical-sounding thing.
But instead of the president or the chaplain, or whatever it is, has been...
Really?
That's good news.
I heard that from a member of the faculty, just saying that, you know, we try to keep, because she was complaining to me after my spectacular mess there.
She was like, oh, we just try to keep everybody happy.
The students are.
But you know, whatever his name is, I can't remember.
The one that resigned after my talk.
Yes, I want to get to that.
What's his name?
Horsen Brickenwecker.
Holsen Brisenwebacher.
He had been recalled to the Vatican a number of times to explain DePaul.
I met students there that were prevented from doing a pro-life talk because it was offending people.
Now, with you, I said, oh, Milo marched to the president's office, we'll call him for now.
And then he got the guy fired.
And that was the story that was running for a while.
And then I was told, no, no, no, that's not what happened.
It had nothing to do with the walk.
He was fired for even allowing Milo on campus.
Exactly.
What's happened is that they're sort of caught by their own nonsense.
On the one hand, they have to pretend to be pro-free speech because they run an academic establishment, and therefore they have to allow me to speak.
And probably somewhere they know that in the back of their minds.
But at the same time, they must pander to the social justice warriors.
And as we all know, the Catholic Church, I mean, we're both Catholic-ish, right?
The Catholic Church has become one of the most liberal institutions in the West.
The Bishops' Conference in England and Wales and London talks about nothing but diversity and climate change.
I mean, they haven't mentioned God for decades.
Don't they allow Muslims in the Vatican now to pray?
They wonder why people don't go to church anymore.
I mean, look, we did invent social justice, the concept of social justice.
I mean, we did invent that.
The Catholic Church has a lot to answer for.
Anyway, these Catholic institutions are incredibly left-wing.
So he's caught between the social justice warriors that make the place possible, without whose good graces the whole thing grinds to a halt, you know, with the Black Lives Matter, the feminists and all the rest of it, and the demands of running an academic establishment.
And those two things are irreconcilable.
And what he discovered was allowing me to speak and then not falling on his sword for allowing me to speak forced a resignation.
Unbelievable.
It's amazing.
I mean, it's great.
It was a great scalp for me, you know?
Just like Berkeley spending two million between me and Shapiro, they spent two million.
Good.
Let's bleed the f ⁇ ers dry.
I'm going to strip up at every state-funded college, left-wing college campus in this country if it means they're going to have to freak out and spend a million dollars.
Why?
Because it will teach them that the culture that they are creating, these leftist, you know, violent leftist protesters that they are playing footsie with and quietly encouraging, are going to cost them so much money.
Well, I'm really happy with it too, because it shows people, it becomes a great little sort of encapsulated concept where people go, that is indicative of much bigger problems.
Like Razma O'Day, who murdered, I believe she blew up, two 20-something Israelis, she's a Palestinian terrorist.
She did a talk there.
At DePaul.
No, not a talk.
A fundraiser.
Excuse me.
She walked around there doing a fundraiser for Palestinian terrorism, basically, because she wanted legal help because she was going to get extradited.
This is, by the way, who they had chosen for the Women's March.
So you think, DePaul is the biggest Catholic school.
It's supposed to be like Comedy Central.
Comedy Central's business model, which they don't really follow, is we're where you come for comedy.
So we have alternative comedy, redneck comedy.
We're the comedy spot.
You'd think that the two most cantankerous and controversial Catholics, that's some good, what's that called, assonance, dissonance, would be invited there.
No, we're not interested.
I was told I'm too violent.
You were too expensive, I guess.
And a Palestinian terrorist, come on in.
It sets off sirens in your head.
It's like those.
It's true, and it's these little things that happen that are microcosms of larger problems.
Do you know?
It's like there's so many examples, whether it is, you know, the people that Berkeley selectively applies fees to, whether it's, I mean, DePaul is the most extraordinary thing.
I mean, there are two big colleges in that town, right?
You've got University of Chicago, DePaul.
University of Chicago, great, said, if you want to come here, don't expect safe spaces and trigger warnings and all the rest of it.
DePaul, supposedly a Catholic, it is so depressing and disappointing watching, you know, the one place you'd think that you could get some good old-fashioned 1950s caning, learning by row, you know, grammar, reading, writing, and arithmetic, kind of like sit down and get whipped if you don't know whatever, would be a Catholic school.
Well, isn't that where you grew up?
You seem to know so much about Catholicism and all these bishops and all those guys with the hats.
Don't blaspheme now.
Oh, no, you're allowed to.
I recently discovered, because I did an interview for America magazine, which is a sort of soft left Catholic magazine.
And because I told the truth and said some interesting and provocative and pointed things, of course they didn't run the interview.
So I posted it on my blog, and then Church Militant, which is like the bright bot of the Catholic blogosphere.
How's that for a tagline?
You don't know, right?
I'm sure it's listed as a hate group on the SPL.
Oh, it is.
No, no, it's great.
And the founder is always listed as a hateful, whatever, whatever.
They had to deal with some of their own readers for running a gay guy, which I thought was very encouraging.
And they grown the interview instead, but it's like all of the big institutional branches of the Catholic Church are irredeemably social justice infested.
Yes.
And you know, if you have kids, say my kid was a gay conservative, like you, I would never let him go to college because he wouldn't be safe there.
I talked to Berkeley Republicans, two of them.
One's last name is Jandalaya.
And then that Troy.
That is his name.
It's Pranav Jandal.
And he gets spat on in the hallways.
He gets physically attacked.
Another good guy, Noe Thomas, who is also not white, who's the president or president of Meritus or whatever, the College of Republicans.
You know, he has the same thing.
Those guys are under siege.
So you'd go, okay, I'm a conservative.
I'm a Catholic.
I don't want to go to Berkeley.
I don't want to get spat on.
I'm going to go to DePaul.
And that is no longer Because you go one place you think you might be able to say, don't kill babies.
And actually, it's like it's a hate crime on campus.
It's amazing.
Well, it really is indicative of the West where the central institution, the central thing in the West is Christianity.
And if there's no bastion of sanity within there, then they've already, it's sort of like the Death Star where Luke flies into the middle.
I mean, that's the nucleus.
And if they're shattering the nucleus, we really have our work cut out for us.
That's true.
I mean, I would like to start a religious revival in this country.
I think America needs it.
I prefer that everybody were Catholic, but even if they're not, I can handle other kinds of Christianity.
What the left forgets, or maybe doesn't care about, because really it just wants sort of godless communism, is that Christianity isn't just a sort of unfortunate thing that goes along with all the nice freedoms that you have in the West, like, you know, property rights and capitalism and democracy, you know, and your ability to do whatever you want, have your hair whatever colour you want, say whoever you want about whatever public figure.
It is inextricably entwined with the history of all of the best.
Capitalism, you know, this requires Christianity to flourish.
The history of, I mean, Joe Rogan kind of like, you know, poo-pooed this when I brought it up on his show.
But, you know, capitalism and the Protestant work ethic cannot be separated from one another.
One would not exist without the other.
And indeed, just look around the world where they try other kinds of capitalism not based on Christianity.
They don't end so well for people.
It's so shocking that the left has forgotten that the freedoms that allow them to be crazy social justice, trans, queer, people of whatever, that essential principle of individual freedom and liberty, this country based like no other country in the world on the idea that you can be whatever the hell you want, that's a Christian thing.
Okay, last thing.
Speaking of sabotaging Christianity, when gay marriage first came up, I supported it because I believed their rhetoric.
They said, two men are in love.
I trust you.
Okay, get married.
And then I went, I saw people getting fined.
I saw, you know, churches being penalized.
And I went, oh, wait a minute.
This wasn't about marriage.
This was about sabotage.
You saw it as a way to get in there with like a virus, chip away at Christianity, beat up the family, beat up the patriarchy.
It was like planting little seeds of destruction in the West.
I think that's true.
I think it was.
I actually had the opposite journey through this.
I started off thinking You're getting married?
I was like, ew!
Why would we want to buy into this, you know, what would they say?
Heteronormative patriarchal institution.
Why would we want to do that?
The only good thing about being gay was being able to tumble out of nightclubs at 2 p.m. on a Monday and you're not known as the masters of monogamy.
No!
I mean, why would you want to do this?
Unless you, you know, of course, we've found some common ground today in an earlier discussion about the virtues of Sharia.
Unless you wanted a gay harem, you know, just as sort of catamites lining the walls, then why would you want to settle down with one person?
My opinion has been changed by falling in love, I'm sorry to say.
I can't offer you love.
You guys have love, huh?
Well, this was it.
One of the reasons I was like, gay marriage, are you kidding me?
Is I didn't know two guys could feel like that about each other, because my previous entanglements had not been characterized by deep affection.
Fairly deep, but I understand.
Well, if I got, you know, as deep as possible.
But I found actually that it was possible, and it happened to me.
And I don't know if I've been persuaded, but I have at least listened more carefully to the arguments like, well, if you've got to be gay, at least you be as good as you can.
So, you know, marriage has all kinds of subsidiary benefits for society.
That was my initial belief.
It was they're trying to be conservative.
They're trying to have a traditional life.
If this is a sign of the conservatization or the domestication of homosexuals, maybe that's not such a bad thing.
Maybe it's a sign of gay people stopping this voting with their activist hearts and starting to vote with their heads.
I mean, we're homos.
Of course we like low taxes because they have really nice shoes in Ferragamo.
And I don't want to pay, you know, some lesbian dance troupe through the arts society government grant, whatever.
I want those shoes.
You know, all kinds of reasons why gays would be Republicans.
You know, we don't want people to telling us what we can say and what we can do.
You don't want to pay tax on all your money.
You guys are rich.
Rugged individualists.
We don't want to pay taxes.
We don't like Islam very much and they don't like us very much.
Surely gay people would be natural Republicans if only they could put aside the admittedly, in some cases, helpful history of the activist left as far as gay rights are concerned.
Wouldn't we be natural conservatives or Republicans?
Anyway, if it's a sign of that happening, then I guess I'm all for it now.
I don't have a good answer for you, except to say that my opinion on...
I think my initial position was based on a misconception that two men could not really have the kind of love that a man and a woman have.
And that's no longer my position.
That is way gayer than the butt sex.
Way gayer than being gay.
That is far, far worse than wherever you put your penis, is that kind of saccharin sentimentalism.
So you promised that now that you're married, you will not be sabotaging Christianity and the Western world?
Well, my position on gay marriage now is that it would be mean and cruel to deny people the ability to recognize unions based sincerely on love and a desire for monogamy.
However, the priority must be protecting religious freedoms.
So you cannot do anything that would allow a church to be forced into performing a particular kind of ceremony it doesn't want to.
And I mean, that would be catastrophic.
I mean, you know, think what happened with the Catholic adoption agencies, right, back home in the UK.
When the government said you cannot discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation when placing babies with foster homes, effectively meaning Catholic adoption agencies were by law not allowed to discriminate against gay parents, even though we know that kids end up way, way more f ⁇ ed up, particularly with lesbian parents.
You can't do it.
So what happened?
The Catholic adoption agencies just closed down.
Right.
Because this is an example, this is where catchment This is where Catholics differ from Anglicans and from Protestants, because we actually do have principles and we stick by them.
And we don't always live 100% according to our principles, but we know what they are and they don't change.
Unlike, you know, Protestantism, which sort of wafts around the fashions of the day, like diversity, climate change, acid rain.
Catholics actually believe in things.
So dramatic things happen, like the adoption agencies, which helped, what, tens of thousands of kids, will just shut down.
It must never, ever, ever be allowed that religious people and churches and religious organizations are forced to do anything that violates their religious consciences.
It's going to stop a lot of gay marriages because I think a lot of them is about an spite and an anger at Catholics and Christians for being moral.
I think they resent that.
I think so too.
I think so too, and I'm perfectly happy to say so.
I think, you know, nothing turns my stomach more, aside from the gay sex.
And fat chicks.
And fat women.
No, I'm just kidding.
Nothing turns my stomach more than the sight of these preening dikes.
Laughing.
Preening dykes.
Dikes.
Oh, preening dykes.
Lawing at Mercury launch on birthdays.
I know the bases.
I knew that was.
They're all basis.
Funny guy, that Milo.
And you'll notice, by the way, the one thing we both have in common is we change our politics and learn and evolve in our ideologies, we're both curious.
We need to bring that back to American culture, is the idea of being curious, of being wrong, of failing, of not being safe.
That's what made this country great, was the grit of risk.
Let's bring it back.
And one of the ways we're going to get that back is to stop pleasuring ourselves all the time in front of a computer that shows a video of two other people enjoying each other, and they're not even enjoying it, per se.
That's a pretty sad and depraved state of being.
It's almost like watching someone else play video games, which we also do, by the way.
Let's talk to Matt Froud, the author of The Porn Myth, about how bad it is to watch pornography.
Hi, Matt.
How are you?
Good hi.
I'm well.
How are you?
I'm all right, Mike.
I think we have common cause here.
I started out as a dare to quit masturbating with my friend Dante Nero.
And we said, let's go 10 days, let's go 30 days.
And then we just quit it entirely to focus on, well, he's single, but it helped me with my marriage.
But I think inadvertently with this silly dare, we sort of discovered a new religion as far as we're concerned.
And we realized how bad porn was for us.
Yeah, that's awesome.
I think a lot of people are in your situation who are quitting porn and masturbation, not for religious reasons necessarily, but just because they see the way it's getting in the way of their most cherished relationships.
They see the way it's robbing them of the time that they could be spending learning how to do something awesome.
And so I think that's kind of cool.
I say that to guys too.
I go, look, I know it sounds crazy.
Give me 10 days.
Just go 10 days and get back to me.
And within those 10 days, you'll notice you're whistling in the shower and you walk down the street with a different demeanor.
You just feel more powerful.
Yeah, that's really cool.
Yeah.
I think one of the reasons we masturbate, one of the reasons we look at pornography is to soothe ourselves.
When we feel kind of like emotionally turbulent, it's that activity that we turn to to regulate ourselves, you know?
But I think the problem with it is that it's an isolating behavior, right?
Like instead of going out and making a connection with a real human being, we retreat into ourselves.
And I don't think that's healthy.
No, and I've said that there's two problems with men right now.
Single men, millennials, they don't feel inclined to get off the couch and go meet chicks.
They're intimidated.
There's so much stigma around doing the wrong thing that they'd rather just stay with the computer.
Similarly, married men, when they're in the doghouse, it doesn't feel like a punishment because they go, oh, well, I'll just have sex with 7 million tens.
So I think it keeps men virgins.
For the first time ever, I'm meeting 23-year-old virgins.
And then secondly, it damages...
Hundreds a year are linked to porn because there's no stakes anymore.
There's no punishment.
Yeah, I mean, C.S. Lewis had a good point about masturbation.
He said, yeah, when we masturbate, what we're fantasizing is about people who make no demands on our selfishness.
They don't pose any demands upon our vanity.
You know, we're just essentially like a god to them.
You know what I mean?
And maybe we do want to be worshipped.
But of course, if you take that attitude into a relationship where you're supposed to be giving of yourself to this other person and you essentially switch things, say, no, no, you worship me.
Let me be like a kind of god to you.
That's clearly like a recipe for divorce, I think.
Yeah, well, I don't think our brain knows this.
There's that other book, Your Brain on Porn.
Are you familiar with that guy?
Yeah, I'm a big fan of Gary Wilson.
Yep.
And he says, your brain thinks you're Genghis Khan, and you're conquering all these villages, having sex with all these tens, which, as far as genetics and evolution goes, is a good thing in quotation marks.
So your brain goes, well, you're Genghis Khan.
You're conquering all of Asia.
I'm going to send out some endorphins.
This is good.
Good work.
Yeah.
And this is why people don't look at the same picture of somebody again and again and again or the same porn video.
They go from one to the next to the next to the next to the next, training themselves to become bored with, we might say, some of the most beautiful bodies on the planet.
But what ends up happening, I think, is the irony of adult entertainment is that we go for entertainment and we become bored.
We go because we want to be free to do whatever we want, we become enslaved.
We go for adult entertainment and become increasingly juvenile.
And then what we find out is that our actual sex lives are incredibly disappointing.
So it would seem to me that if one wants to remain sexually dissatisfied for the rest of their life, then I think porn's the way to go.
Also, if you want to ruin your future marriage before it begins, I think you can't choose much better than porn either.
Yeah.
I mean, it's like junk food.
You just don't feel like sitting down and making a nice recipe when you can just have a quick cheeseburger, and the next thing you know, you're fat.
That's a great point, right?
Because you can't accustom to yourself to just junk so that when someone presents you a beautiful meal, you actually don't know how to appreciate it.
And it's not the meal's fault, just like it isn't your wife's fault.
Like it's your fault, you doofus.
You become sexually obese.
Now, one thing people, you do a great podcast called Pints with Aquinas.
You're a very religious dude.
Yeah.
But this book is not a religious book at all.
Yeah, that's right.
I'm a Catholic.
I'm a very religious dude.
But this book has nothing to do with religion.
It's actually a non-religious response to pro-porn arguments.
And, you know, the reason for that, I think, is we live in a secular culture, and you do not have to be a religious person to be down with the fact that exploiting people isn't cool.
Yeah, you know what's funny?
We've had porn stars on the show in the past.
Mercedes Carrera is one of them.
And I heard, I think it's Jenna Jamison.
I'm not sure, but she's sort of sworn off pornography and realizes it's dangerous now that she's had kids.
But one fascinating thing Mercedes said to us was that men on the set will want to have snuggling, cuddly sex sort of off the air because they don't really enjoy all this debasing.
And the director will be like, all right, that's enough.
Come on, come on, come on.
Stop kissing.
Get back to work here.
Get back to debasing.
Get back to punching her and spitting on her.
Yeah.
That's a really interesting point.
Yeah, because we talk about how it degrades women clearly, but it also kind of like turns men into beasts because we understand who we are based on our relationships.
You know, like if a kid was born and you let him grow up in a forest all on his own, who he would become is something much different than if he was in a family.
And of course, if you and I grew up in an abusive family, then how we understand ourselves is going to be very different to the way we would understand ourselves if we grew up in a loving family.
And I think if you're engaging with pornography in which you're watching people abuse women, you know, for some kind of pleasure, it also affects how you, not only how you see women and men, but how you see yourself.
Like you become this sort of predator.
And sex becomes sort of nasty and dirty.
Like sex shouldn't be that.
Like sex is beautiful.
If it wasn't, you couldn't make it ugly, right?
You can't make mud ugly, you know?
Yeah.
Guys, if you're out there, please just try it.
I know it sounds weird, but your life becomes more fulfilled.
It's so funny, man.
We've become so accustomed to porn that telling people not to masturbate.
It's like us saying, okay, go 10 days without urinating, okay?
I promise it'll be fine.
It's like, no, like you don't need to masturbate like you need to urinate.
Yes.
And it's amazing how, you know, when I say it to millennials, they go, no, porn's all I have.
Screw you.
And when I say it to Gen X and UP, they all go, yeah, okay.
It's like I said, you know, don't eat cheese for 10 days.
They see it as amusing.
Okay, I can try that.
Whereas the younger generations, it's such an intrinsic part of their life that it's like I've said, quit something that keeps you alive.
It's really frustrating.
You know, you were talking about a no-masturbation contest you did with your friend.
That reminds me of this website that's out there today.
It's called Blue LabelChallenge.com.
I'm not sure if you've heard of it, but basically, it's a no-masturbation, no pornography contest that you enter with another person, and then you agree upon a specific consequence.
And the first person who succumbs to masturbation pornography has to pay that consequence, right?
So they're going to take that person out to dinner.
They're going to buy them something.
They're going to donate $50 to a women's shelter.
And so I think that might be kind of cool.
Like maybe people who are listening to you and me, they don't agree with everything we're saying about how pornography is detrimental, but they might be cool with having some kind of competition with someone.
And as you say, just try it out, see what happens.
You won't believe all the great things that happened.
I can't tell you how many guys, married men, have contacted me and said, you won't believe this.
My wife's finally pregnant.
We were doing all kinds of regiment and following her schedule and all this stuff, trying to get pregnant.
Then I stopped masturbating, and boom, we got a boy on the way.
I thought you were saying something like, I just kept masturbating to my iPhone and my wife wasn't getting pregnant.
What's going on?
Well, that is basically what's happening.
Yes, that is what's happening, and people don't realize it.
Well, Matt, thank you for fighting the good fight.
We'll definitely check out your book, The Porn Myth, and your podcast, Pints with Aquinas, but the two are not related.
This is a.
Yeah, two aren't related.
You can think I'm a complete idiot when it comes to the existence of God and Christianity and still agree with me that pornography is bad for you.
And if you disagree, just please try it.
Try 10 days.
That's it, folks.
Thanks for coming by.
Tune in tomorrow.
I think we got King Bunty on, maybe Ricky Berwick, maybe Jim Goad, Copper Cab.
I don't know.
I feel kind of internety tomorrow.
We tend to wing it here on this show.
And I appreciate you coming by, and I hope that you enjoyed the show.
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