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We ain't got no speaker set up.
And now, our feature presentation.
This is the Gabcast, a podcast about bellgab.com.
Call the show now at 573-837-4948.
That's 573-837-4948.
Now shut up, sit down, and listen to the damn show.
Scapcast, how you doing?
I'm Liberace, aka MV.
Also with me is Pate.
Peyton, how's it going, buddy?
I hope this thing is on.
Is this thing on?
Can you hear me?
It's on, but I don't know.
I haven't heard much of it yet, but I'm kind of inclined to say that your phone microphone sounded better than this literally $5 microphone you just purchased.
I was going to pretend like it was a billion-dollar expensive microphone.
Maybe I can just do a little EQing on you.
Yeah.
I cannot hear myself in my very, very, very expensive headphones.
Well, you're not supposed to hear yourself.
I don't like that.
Well, that's why you need a mixer.
You need that feedback.
It really helps a lot to be able to hear yourself so you can, in first person, understand the extent to which you're failing.
That's what I've ever.
I think I need a sip of this drink sitting next to me.
Have you had anything yet?
Did you wait for the show?
Oh, you waited.
You did wait for the show.
Oh, what a little ad.
If you want to be on the show tonight, the number to call 573-837-4948.
It's 573-837-4948.
I really did intend to start at the top of the hour, but I had a couple technological delays here.
I'm using a different mixer.
It's not a new mixer, but a different mixer that gives me a little more flexibility than the Behringer I was using.
Not that this is kind of inside baseball stuff, but the point is, this mixer is, I think it was manufactured around 1988.
And while it's, golly, it's only nine years younger than me, but it affords me more flexibility than the old Behringer.
So I'm giving this a spin tonight.
But after you break all this crap down and rebuild it all, things are bound not to work out.
So if you want to call into the show tonight, the number's 573-837-4948.
573-837-4948.
Anything you want to talk about, any questions you may have.
I saw a couple questions posed in the chat room, and people were encouraged by others to call in with those.
And I would do the same.
Call in with them.
I think the last few times you and I have done a show, Pate, I don't know if we've gotten any callers.
And people are listening.
I mean, generally, when I look at the live stream listener count, we're generally holding about 50 concurrent listeners through most of the show, which for a podcast as obscure as this one on a website as obscure as Bellgab is, I think that's pretty solid.
But even so, no listeners generally.
I'm sorry, no callers generally.
How many of these listeners do you think are these Chinese guys from Hong Kong that you're having trouble with?
Please, no racial epithets, please.
I just can't.
I can't mop up the fallout from that.
I don't know what that was.
You may have noticed on the Bellgab main page, if you scroll down toward the bottom, it gives you some indication as to how many people have been logged in over the course of the last hour.
And pretty frequently here recently, you'll get down there and you'll see like 15 or 20 actual users of the forum signed in at the moment and 765 browsing or 765 lurking.
It's like, come on, that is so disproportionate.
Something's got to be amiss.
Something's got to be askew.
I think that's awesome, though.
Hey, well, why is that awesome that my website's being inundated by what I believe are bots?
And I actually did a little research and I saw that a huge, overwhelmingly vast majority of them were coming from an IP address range in Hong Kong.
And I can't even begin to figure out what that means.
I have no clue whatsoever.
So I banned all of those.
You look at the ad revenue from those.
No, you don't.
AdSense is smart enough to know AdSense.
Google is not interested in paying people one cent, one farthing more than they have to.
And so they've got that all figured out.
They know who the real people are.
In fact, it's too conservative.
And I can go into the forum software and look there how many people are using the forum at the moment and exactly see exactly what they're doing.
And then you'll go over to Google Analytics and you'll see that it thinks half the number of people who are actually using the forum are using the forum.
And I don't know if that's because maybe some people are running NoScript, so that keeps the JavaScript that runs in the background and measures all that stuff for analytics from running.
I have no idea.
When it comes down to it, when you want to measure stuff on the internet, when you want to measure engagement, there's not really a good way to do that.
Unless you're talking about a system like Facebook has where people actually directly engage with things by clicking like.
In those situations, you kind of have a really solid idea of who is interested in and paying attention to what.
But if you're doing a podcast, like any podcaster you go to who says, oh, yeah, we're getting about 5,000 downloads of this show every week, even though they're telling you that, they really have no idea how many people are listening to their show.
Because there are, in some situations, bots downloading those shows.
In some situations, one person might be downloading a show, but five people might be listening to it at the same time.
There might be content aggregators that present people's podcasts on other websites that you don't even have to do anything with.
It just automatically sucks up your podcast and presents it to people on some website that's totally not even yours.
And you have no way of measuring that.
I mean, I guess in some ways I'm saying if you have 5,000 downloads of a show, it could be more than you think it is.
But generally speaking, that's probably optimistic.
It's probably quite a bit less than you think are listening to you in most cases.
When Evelyn and I were doing the Trainwreck show years ago, God, she and I haven't talked in a long time.
I think the 2016 election kind of diffused our friendship.
It really did.
I just couldn't talk to her anymore, I just thought she was, I don't know man.
It's like that election cycle took people that I thought were otherwise politically reasonable and turned them into wackos.
And some of those people are probably saying the same thing about me, I'm sure.
But once I realized that she was all in on the Russia conspiracy, you know, the same people who run around every five minutes calling everybody conspiracy theorists are all in on the idea that the sitting U.S. president is a Russian asset.
Okay.
All right.
Well, who's the conspiracy theorist?
But once I realized she was in on that, no matter what I said to her, I couldn't get her off of it.
Her hatred for Trump was, I mean, I'm not saying don't hate Trump.
If you hate Trump, that's fine.
That's your opinion.
Great.
Good for you.
Press forward with that.
That's your thing.
Carry on with it.
But, I mean, still, that doesn't mean you should just accept every wacko conspiracy that's clearly designed to eliminate the guy from existing.
And that one clearly was.
There was so totally nothing to it.
And when I realized I just couldn't get through to her, no matter what I said, no matter what evidence I presented to her that this was all an illusion, there was nothing I could say.
I just realized at that point that at least when it came to talking politics, we had reached a sort of jumping off point where nothing more could be done with that.
And if the two of us can't talk politics, I think the last show she and I did together, there was a point in the show where we got so frustrated with each other.
There were like 30 seconds of just dead air.
And I normally, you know, with my broadcasting background, having something like that happen, it's so counterintuitive that I would allow that.
But I was just so frustrated and so miffed and just so put out that when that moment happened, I just sat there and let everybody sit in it.
I didn't do anything to stop the dead air.
That's one of the highlights of Michael Van Dieven radio train wreck history was the 30-second dead air moment.
But anyway, what was the point that I was going to make about Evelyn?
Moment of silence.
No, I got on that somehow, someway, for some reason.
I don't remember why.
You miss her, I think, somewhere.
Oh, of course I miss her.
But when it reaches a point where you just can't talk about a particular subject anymore without hating one another, what more are you going to do with that?
Oh, here was the point.
There was a point when Evelyn and I were doing the Trainwreck show together, and we were seeing that our show was being downloaded about 10,000 times a month, which, in terms of a podcast hosted by two people that nobody's ever heard of, that's amazing.
And as I look back on that in retrospect, I don't know.
I contacted the people who were running the measurement service, and I said, come on, is this legit?
And they said, well, we're actually, we lean on the conservative side.
So if you're seeing that, it probably is legit.
I don't know if it ever was, but my point is, even with my own podcast, I don't even bother to look at the stats of how many people downloaded this show after I do it.
I have no idea.
And I don't care at all because any stats that I look at are bullshit.
They mean nothing.
Well, that's because I just download it relentlessly.
I think I have about 500 copies of the last show.
I haven't listened to them.
Well, there is a plug-in that I have installed on the content management system.
The plug-in is called Is Pate relentlessly downloading your podcast, and it has recently turned red.
So that was really the point where I stopped paying attention to the podcast downloads.
I had enough at that point.
You know what?
Can you get closer to that, Mike?
That thing really sounds like ass.
I'd almost rather you just call in on your phone.
You paid for a $5 microphone, and you got what you paid for.
How about that?
I think it's awesome.
It's about five inches tall.
Okay, now you sound quite a bit better.
I think it's just a proximity effect if you can just stay up on that thing.
But once you get away from it, it starts really wandering.
How's this location?
I don't know.
You'll have to talk a bit more.
And I think as you drink, you're going to become less disciplined and start screaming at it.
No, start moving away from it.
You're going to become all slouchy and not really keeping.
Where is my.
I have nothing to open this with.
K-Dub, I do have a bucket on my head, but I also don't have any kind of soundproofing in this echoing box of a room that I'm in right now.
Surprised you can't hear my computer humming away.
Oh, K-Dub said something about a bucket.
I do want to point out the new chat room to people.
I think this is a long time coming.
For the last few shows, what we've done is simply have people go to the Gabcast.
Thank you.
Cabcast thread at Bellgab.
Was that you?
Yeah, that was me.
I said thank you.
It didn't sound like you.
It sounded like you've got a dropboard or something.
I'm like, okay, you've got a $5 microphone, but you've got a 360 systems instant replay.
I don't understand.
You don't want to know.
But anyway, it's been for quite some time the case that when we do a live show, people have gone to the Gabcast thread at Bellgab to chat.
And we now have a proper chat room at Bellgab.
If you go to bellgab.com slash stream, you'll see you are dumped into a chat room.
You have to actually be logged into the forum to use the chat room.
I think that's a huge plus.
I think one of the big problems with the old chat room was that people would come in and impersonate others.
And there was just no way to know who was doing that.
I mean, anyone you would see there using a particular display name, you'd have no idea if that person is who they're claiming to be.
You just had to trust that they were who they said they were.
The only downside to this is that people can't come in and impersonate Falke, Falkey 2013, which was a long-standing tradition here.
But I'm willing to sacrifice that, huh?
I got to get this plastic off of this bottle.
I can't even.
Oh, my God.
You haven't even had a sip yet?
No, no, I wanted to actually, you know, I don't like to start the show, because I will tell you, once I take one drink, I start to feel it.
I mean, I'm not one of these people where I have to get several drinks in before it starts to store before it.
I'm not saying it necessarily affects me too terribly much.
In fact, I think I hold my liquor quite well.
I don't know a lot of people who could do these broadcasts as drunk as I've done them, as drunkenly as I've done them, and still be somewhat coherent on some level.
So I think I hold my liquor quite well.
Christ Almighty, I don't even have a glass to pour my liquor.
Well, tonight's drink of choice is Jose Cuervo Tradicional.
This was the drink of choice, I think, three gabcasts ago.
224 years of fine craftsmanship.
Jose Cuervo Tradicional.
So we'll see how this goes.
But the problem is, as I say, no glass.
That could be an issue.
Why do they have 1795 stamped on the glass itself?
Are they trying to fool me into thinking that this bottle was manufactured prior to the signing of the Declaration of Independence?
Oh, no, that was 1776.
I'm thinking the Constitution.
I've got the two mixed up.
As people frequently do.
Two of the most conflated things in the history of document discussion.
Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
Pate, could you fill for a moment while I grab a glass that would be appropriate for this?
Just bring up whatever you want to bring up.
I don't care.
And I'll be back in a moment, okay?
I think, well, how am I going to take a caller?
See?
I'm left all by myself here.
I guess I could read stuff in the chat room.
JC, who's that?
TXZ045.
I don't know if I recall you from back in the old days.
Is that a new burner account?
But you ask about JC calling in.
I don't know.
I think he is dead.
Geez.
I'm not professional.
A lot of people believe that.
A lot of people do believe JC has died.
I don't know whether.
I don't know.
I will say I'm pretty convinced that he was a friend of arts.
Yeah, he did some nutty stuff, that's for sure.
In fact, I think that has been proven.
I don't recall how or where, but it's been proven.
Anyway, we have a new chat room.
You've got to be logged in in order to use it, logged into the forum.
That's a huge plus.
So what you do in the chat room is tied to your Bell Gab account.
There's a history kept of the chat, so the things that you typed aren't just lost in the ether, which was the case with all the prior chat rooms we tried.
That was another thing I didn't like about it.
I'm pretty sure if someone is banned from the forum, it also bans them from the chat.
I'm not entirely positive about that, but I think that's the case.
Hey, call in to the GabCast 5738-37-4948.
I think Walks at Night had a question for you.
He ought to pick up that phone and dial before I ask it.
No, let him ask it.
I am not going to do that for these people.
You know, if they want to call in, if they have questions that they would like answers to, they can call in and pose those questions themselves.
You know, if we're going to go through the motions of answering the question, they could at least go through the motion of making this show sound like it's being listened to by somebody.
You sound like a teacher right now.
I'm raising my hand.
If I were a teacher, gum would be mandatory, I think.
I never understood this whole, you can't chew gum in school.
What's the genesis of that?
It's because you can't chew gum on the radio and broadcast at the same time.
You ever heard anybody do that?
What was the problem with gum in school?
What was going to happen if someone had gum in school?
The old janitor hated it because every summer he had to scrape like 4 billion pounds of dried gum from underneath the desks and little corners under the chairs.
He hated that stuff.
So he was a union guy, and I think the janitor's union was probably more powerful than the teachers.
It probably still is.
So, yeah, no gum.
Why blame the teachers for that?
They should have handed the students some sort of a cloth or paper towel, something that could be used to dispense with the gum.
Or they could have just put a trash can in the room in a designated area.
And on the first day of the school year, hey, everybody, listen.
Here is the gum trash can.
You're welcome to as much gum as you like, but just make sure it gets thrown into this trash can.
I don't think.
The janitor hated that because that trash can was full of gum.
Well, yeah, you just take the bag out of it.
It's lined with something.
You don't just have a bare plateau.
What are we, savages?
You don't have just a bare trash can with no bag inside it.
We are savages, sir.
The state of modern schools should tell you to answer your savages question.
Yes.
Yes, we are.
So, bellgab.com forward slash stream, if you would like to check out the new chat room.
I think you're going to enjoy it.
And as I speak, I am now scrolling down here.
I see comments about Jeb Bush.
You know, one of the funniest things to do now, particularly in retrospect, after everything has the dust has completely settled.
History has been written.
We know the outcome of things is to go back on YouTube and watch Jeb Bush campaign fail moments.
There's this guy, Vic Berger.
He goes by Super Deluxe on YouTube.
He's a video editor.
And I think he's friends with Tim Heidecker and Eric Werheim and those people, who I've lost a lot of respect for, those two, by the way.
But nevertheless, they are pretty funny.
And he's friends with them.
And he does a lot of videos where he would take clips from the debates and re-edit them in such a way that they were just unbelievable to watch.
And he has, I think, I think there's like a 30-minute video he put together of Jeb Bush campaign fail moments from the 2016 election.
And he edits it in such a way where Jeb Bush just looks like a lost child standing on the stage begging for attention.
I can't describe it to you.
I'm not doing it justice.
So whenever you have some time, go to YouTube and type Jeb Bush, Super Deluxe.
That's all one word.
Not that I think it matters anymore.
And you'll see what I'm talking about.
Jeb.
Let's see.
Andrew Yang is our next president.
Mark my words, Yang 2020.
That's Snap T.
I don't really.
Who's Andrew King?
He's a tech entrepreneur.
I don't really know exactly what he does.
At first, I thought he had some involvement with Yahoo, but I think that could be wrong.
In fact, I thought he was the founder of Yahoo.
But I don't think that's the case.
The only thing I know about him, really, because I've paid very little attention to the Democratic debates.
The only thing I know about him.
Yahoo is still a thing.
Can you still search on Yahoo?
You can still Yahoo.
Yeah, it's still there, but I don't think they have their own search system.
I think they actually rent space from Google or something.
Yeah, they're using Google's algorithm, and they're wrapping it in a Yahoo wrapper.
So they don't even...
Isn't that a sad thing?
Like...
I mean, think about it.
We're talking about having a couple engineers get together, write some code, and create a bot that goes out and indexes web page, and then the results of that are put together on a list of results that people can view.
How hard is that to put together?
I mean, honestly, was the barrier to entry for that so high that Yahoo had to just give it up and let Google start doing it?
I never could understand that.
And I mean, look at DuckDuckGo.
It's one of the world's premier search engines.
I mean, I'm not saying it's competitive with Google yet, but a lot of people know about DuckDuckGo.
It's got, I'd like to know how many people are using that thing.
It's got to be tens and tens and tens of millions of people.
And it's just run by a guy.
There's just a guy.
Some dude.
Like, imagine Belgab being run by me only.
It's DuckDuckGo.
I mean, that's what DuckDuckGo is.
It's just a search engine being run by some guy.
He seems to manage it.
I don't really see a business angle to what he's doing there, so I can't imagine how much money he's making.
But he manages to do it.
So why can't Yahoo have their own search engine?
I mean, if they had kept it up, maybe they would have eventually come up with something better.
And people would have reached a point where they said, hey, you know what?
Actually, you should use Yahoo if you want search.
And then from there, they could have people discovering...
I mean, Yahoo owns a shit ton of properties.
I can't list them all right now, but if you were to go to Google and type properties owned by Yahoo, it's a really long list.
They went through a buying streak for a while there.
And if they just had a search that was worth his shit, that was proprietary and run in-house, they could make that better to the point where people might see it as an alternative to Google, and then from there, people would discover other properties owned and run by Yahoo.
But for whatever reason, they won't do that.
I don't understand it.
But going back, Andrew Yang, I thought he had something to do with Yahoo.
I don't know if that's the case.
I'm inclined to think I'm wrong about that.
The only thing I really know about him is that he wants people to receive $1,000 a month from the government just for waking up in the morning.
It's called UBI, Universal Basic Income.
And it's rooted in the premise that eventually robots are going to be doing every job.
And human beings, some of them simply will not be employable.
They just simply will not have any avenue to getting a job whatsoever.
And, I mean, there is something to be said for that.
Maybe we are reaching a point where, unless you have a four-year degree and then some post-grad stuff on top of that, maybe you won't be able to get a job unless you want to go drive a truck or something.
And even then, that eventually is going to get to the point where it's run by automated systems.
I think that when that happens, they'll still have people sitting in the truck, but the person sitting in the truck won't actually drive it until it gets to the point where the truck needs to be backed into a dock somewhere.
You know, the thing that is the most likely to cause a reportable accident backing a truck, that'll be the thing that the driver's required to do.
They've got the self-parking stuff on the, what is it, the Fords have those now?
Yeah, well, get on YouTube and take a look at how well that's working out for Tesla.
Well, you know, that's happened once.
He's going to figure it out.
Maybe so.
But really, I mean, there are a lot of videos on YouTube of Tesla's failing to auto-park in a parallel parking situation.
Even just like pull-in and park situations, there are videos of it failing.
I can't even begin to wrap my brain around how that's possible.
I mean, we're talking about...
How it's possible to fail?
Yeah.
Yes.
I mean, we're talking about a car that's being run by a computer that is utilizing multiple sensors, all of which scan the environment much more thoroughly and many times faster than a human being could.
Parking in between stationary objects.
How in the math of everything is defined.
The car knows what its turning radius is.
It knows what its own length and width is.
How do you program depth perception?
I wouldn't know where to start.
Would have, well, I mean, it's maybe there's a sort of radar.
There could be laser used to determine depth.
It's got to be cheap.
Well, that's not a cheap car.
It is an expensive car.
What's a Tesla cost?
Like, $70,000 base model?
Yeah.
Add $10,000 more if you want to put laser range-finding freaking Sonic whatever the hell on there.
I think if you're going to spend $70,000 on a car, I don't think you mind the extra $10,000.
I mean, really.
I can't imagine spending that much on a car.
Even if I were rich, I can't imagine that I would spend $70,000 on a goddamn car.
Yeah, you're talking to a guy that's broadcasting on a $5 microphone.
Don't talk to me.
So you understand my thought process here.
Okay.
Intuitively, yes.
Let's see.
I'm scrolling the chat room here.
I'm hoping to find out what exactly it is that.
Oh, Sheffist says Super Deluxe on YouTube was taken down.
Is that possible?
Really?
That is.
What is that?
That's the video editor that I was telling you about who did all of the edits during the 2016 election, many of which the best ones were Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz.
Oh, my God.
Ted Cruz did these videos where he sat down with his family around the dinner table just to show everybody what a family man he is.
Because, you know, when he's not staying the night in hotels with campaign operatives and they're not being seen wearing the jacket that he gave them the next morning on news shows, when he's not doing that, he's at home with his family all gathered around the table holding hands saying grace.
And it's such an antiquated notion of what you need to do as a politician to get elected.
Nobody's buying that shit anymore, okay?
That was why I knew Ted Cruz was going to lose because in 2019 or 2016, even if those are your political instincts, that to get elected, you need to show everybody a video of you gathered around your kitchen table holding hands with your wife and kids.
And that's going to fool everybody.
In my way of seeing the world, that makes me suspicious of you.
What is it that you're trying to head fake me on here?
That's my just initial gut reaction to seeing something like that.
But Super Deluxe took that and chopped it up and really made it creepy.
Go ahead.
So Super Deluxe, he was taken off of YouTube recently, or this has been a long time going, because I saw something about YouTube.
I don't know if they changed their terms of service or announced that they were going to or reserve the option to remove.
I don't know if it was channels or user accounts that were deemed to be not commercially viable in their opinion.
Yeah.
Well, I don't know.
This is one of these wild conspiracy places where I read this headline.
And I was wondering if maybe he was a recent victim of this thing that I read or that was just total bullshit.
Like most of the stuff on the internet's.
You know what?
Your mic sucks.
I can't endure this any longer.
I'm hearing electrical noise.
It's just a pile of rubbish.
I don't know what it is, but you got the $5 mic that you paid for.
It really is ass, and I can't endure this.
Particularly as I begin drinking, and I still haven't had a sip.
So particularly as I begin drinking and I become more honest with what I'm thinking, it's going to grade on me even more than it currently does.
So we're going to give the Pro HT USB microphone a thumbs down.
I want to look this thing up.
What exactly is it?
It's a Pro-HT USB microphone.
If you recall, I sent you a link to it.
This thing looks like such garbage.
It is.
How did you not just instinctively know that this was not going to go well?
It was five bucks.
It looks like the microphone in one flew over the cuckoo's nest.
Medication time.
Medication time, everybody.
That's probably about a thousand times better microphone than this one.
I'll bet you that's it.
Literally.
I think, we'll see, my pack of cigarettes is slightly shorter than this thing.
It is so tiny.
Okay, well, can you just grab your phone and we'll just do it that way?
Phone's right next to me, bro.
Okay, well, I'm just going to call you back real quick.
So we'll hang up here.
I'll call you immediately.
And we'll just do this the right way because that is rather insufferable.
I can't continue with that.
There we are.
I love the way the new Skype doesn't allow you to turn off these sounds.
You're stuck with them.
Pate?
Fine.
That's vastly superior.
No way.
Isn't that amazing that a device, its primary purpose is to serve as a microphone, fails relative to your phone, where that might or might not be an afterthought.
Why do you hate my microphone?
Really terrible.
God.
Anyway, I'm looking at that mic.
I think that perhaps the $5 you spent is not worth the gas you're going to burn to return this thing.
But if you happen to be in the neighborhood over there, I suppose you should just take it back.
You did keep the receipt, didn't you?
Was it a microcenter you said?
Yeah, microcenters are awesome.
Are they?
The guy.
Yeah, the guy had to search.
It was like in a bin up on top.
There's like 100 of these things and a giant bin.
He's all like, well, this crap.
Because I'm not spending $100 on the other stuff that you got.
I'm just going to try this $5 thing.
How can you walk past $5, even if it's a shitty microphone?
I can walk past $5.
If I can predict that something like this is going to happen, yes, I can walk past $5.
Okay, I'm going to go ahead and take my first shot here of Jose Cuervo Tradicional Tiquila Reposado.
What's reposado?
I don't know.
I speak pretty good Spanish, but occasionally I'm just I get thrown.
R-E-P-O-S-A-D-O.
Reposado.
I have no idea what that means.
I'm sitting in front of a computer with access to Google and the sum total of human knowledge, but not knowing what this word is in Spanish, that might bring the show to a halt.
Okay, hold on.
I'm holding.
I'm on hold.
I'm waiting.
Oh, Reposado is aged, apparently.
K-Dub wanted you to notice.
He could call in.
K-Dub, you could call in.
Thank you, K-Dub.
That is really neighborly of you.
4948.
I want to read this note on the show.
I think that you'll possibly enjoy this, Pate.
Hello, Michael.
Longtime follower here.
Not just a listener, not a lurker.
Not someone who's keeping up with things.
He refers to himself as a follower as it relates to me.
So I want to thank him for that.
There's a follower to the show.
This is Tim.
Longtime follower here.
I'm listening to your recent podcast now.
Had to pause it to send you this.
As a former enlisted military guy, I fucking hate the thank you for your service shit.
You get it better than even the military folks get it.
It's self-serving bullshit.
I did a job I agreed to as well as you are doing in whatever manner that has come to be.
Every time I get a thank you for your service, I immediately think the person is an asshole coattailing on their perceived quality of my character.
I find it insulting and I know what they're doing, even if they don't realize it.
It's a tough thing to explain it and why it's so repulsive to me.
I'm just a guy who took a job like anyone else.
Thank you feels like you're just trying to score points and you're using me for that.
My gut reaction is, go fuck yourself.
I did that for myself, not you.
It's pretty gross.
Thank you for having the balls to call out this bullshit.
It made me feel really good to receive this note because I have given people the speech on many occasions explaining that I do not like thank you for your service and the reasons that it annoys me.
And I'm not going to give this speech again because I did so in a recent episode of this show.
You could go back and listen for that if you'd like.
Three episodes ago.
Was it?
Okay.
But the fact is, I don't like that.
And when I explain it to people, I often get blank stares back like I've endorsed pushing old ladies into a garbage disposal or something.
I don't know what it is, but most people just do not seem on board with me when I explain that I do not like thank you for your service.
And I find it patronizing.
And I find it more an effort on your part to say something about yourself than to actually thank somebody.
So to get this note from an actual military person who knows which way is up, I find to be rather confirming and enjoyable to have received.
What are your thoughts, Pete?
Oh, I, you know, I serve too.
I always make it a point to thank them for their service.
What a fact.
Whether or not they were in the military.
Well, whether or not they were in the military or not.
It's even more delicious when they're not in the military.
And they just give me this look, like, what do you mean?
I'm like, well, you're a cashier here at the Walmart.
You're serving me, you know, and I wouldn't be able to buy this.
Whatever the fuck I'm buying.
You know, thank you for your service.
They really don't like that.
So you actually would go into a CVS and tell the cashier, thank you for your service.
Sure.
See, that's what I'm talking about.
If they say it to me first, if they figure out somehow, you know, like, hey, give me the military.
You think you should shank them if they say that to you.
No, I'll thank them right back.
Can't shank them.
Get arrested for that.
There's cameras in those places, man.
Well, when I'm wearing my full military regalia and we're in the middle of the middle.
But you're not in the military anymore.
You do that?
Well, yeah.
Well, how else are they going to fucking know that they need to thank me for my service if I don't walk in, you know, all fucking fat and oozing out of my once form-fitting uniform with my gut sticking out in the mole.
If I saw you doing that, I would just randomly run up to you and start screaming, stolen valor!
Stolen Valor!
I love those videos.
They're all over YouTube.
Stolen Valor videos where you got some guy.
You get this cat.
He's standing there trying to arm in the third regiment Delta Wing.
There's George Sendo wearing that.
Yeah.
It's like regiment.
What do you mean, like cavalry?
Anyway, I'm looking in the chat room here and I see, damn, Dr. MD, you're really this thin-skinned.
Not a good look for Bell Gabber of the Year.
What did MD say?
I don't know what he said.
I'd have to find it somewhere.
Maybe if I scroll up, I could do so.
I have no idea.
This chat is distracting.
I like it better as a listener than I do as a co-host.
Richard Griper says he loves it when people thank him for his Coast Guard auxiliary service.
You know, I was in the Civil Air Patrol when I was a teenager.
I was a staff sergeant, so I expect to be appropriately recognized for that.
Should your plane have crashed, I would have been searching for the ELD pings to locate you.
The emergency location.
Or no, it's ELT.
Emergency Location Transmitter, which those are actually kind of fun.
You have this pole in your hand, and there's a giant antenna coming out each side perpendicular to the pole at the top.
And you've got this box in your hand with an analog needle, and this thing is out there somewhere sending a signal.
And depending on which way you turn the antenna, the signal increases and decreases.
And you just sort of go about using this in that manner until you find the box.
And we did a lot of exercises where they would just hide this box in some random dopey town somewhere back in southeast Missouri, and we would have to find this thing.
And oddly enough, we found it every time.
It was pretty amazing, actually.
Just old analog technology.
Worked perfectly.
No GPS, no satellite coordinates being emailed to anybody automatically or SMS'd to anybody.
Just a box with an analog needle like you're looking at the mixing board on WKRP.
Was it like the thing they put in that kid in Red Dawn?
You know, the Russians, when they captured that one kid and they made him swallow something, and they're all in the woods, and they kill one of the Russian soldiers with the thing, and they're all like, it's in him.
They drag him out in the field and shoot him.
Was there something like that in Red Dawn?
I haven't seen that movie since I was probably eight.
Red Dawn is probably the best movie ever made, man.
Is it really?
I'm not fucking about the new one.
Is it Schwarzenegger who's in that Wolverines?
No, it's got a God.
Who doesn't have in it?
Uh, I think Pat Swayze's in it.
Who was the guy on 2.5 Men that was always doing the cocaines and banging chicks and getting in trouble?
Yeah, it's not Emilio Estevez, his half-brother.
I think Emilio might have been in there, too.
Oh, really?
There was a period where neither of them could do a movie without the other being in it as well.
They were keeping things in the family there for a while.
Winning!
Remember that whole thing?
Winning!
Yeah, that guy.
I think he's in it.
What is his name?
Christ almighty.
The dirty dancing chick.
I think the dirty dancing chick's in it.
It's going to come to me, or someone's going to type it in the chat room before I have an opportunity for it to come to me.
I love it.
Because they were in it before they were anybody, man.
Go ahead.
I love Dr. MDMD's comments when they just randomly come across the screen and I have no idea what the context is or who he's referring to or what the subject is.
And he just says, go fuck your mother as usual.
I have no idea who he's talking to or what the subject, why he's upset.
I have no clue.
I just find it amusing for myself.
Let's see.
As a postal worker, this is TXZ045.
As a postal worker, I was thanked on many occasions for my service.
Mostly old people who really enjoy their mail.
You know, that's kind of different to me because a postal worker is not getting shot at typically.
I understand the whole, going postal.
I understand that whole gag.
But generally speaking, your postal worker is not being shot at.
They are performing a service that is directly felt by you.
It's not some sort of an abstract thing where, well, whether what they're doing is beneficial to me or not, it's direct and immediate.
And if you have a bad postal worker, oh, God, will you know it?
You will know it really fast.
So that's different to me.
That's no different to me than some kid coming over and mowing your lawn and you saying, hey, thanks a lot, buddy.
I really appreciate that.
You did a good job.
So the postal worker, you thank him for his service.
That's what you're saying.
Yes, but I will not thank the military guy for his service.
Because I understand.
I'm unclear on the kid mowing your yard.
You do or you do not thank him for his service.
I do.
You do.
Even if he does a shitty job.
I'll tell you this.
A guy who has served in the military, a guy who has served in the military and has seen the heads of his friends blown up three feet away from him and who's gone through experiences that I can't begin to relate to myself.
I don't even know exactly what it is that I'm thanking him for.
So, no.
I have a pretty good inkling of what the lawnmower boy goes through.
I have a pretty good idea of what the postal worker goes through.
I have a pretty good idea of what the person who puts together my burger at Burger King is going through.
You go back and makes your burger.
It's a little presumptuous of me, I think, to believe that I have any idea what I'm thanking that guy for when I go to the military guy and say, thank you for your service.
What is that defined as?
Your service.
Do I really know what that is even comprised of?
No, I don't.
So it's a little presumptuous.
It's almost like I'm saying, hey, I'm with you, buddy.
I get the struggle.
No, I fucking don't.
And people who say that don't.
What?
Why are you stuck on this service?
Thank you for the bottom of it.
Because you brought it up again.
No, you did.
No, okay.
Well, actually, someone in the chat brought it up.
Didn't someone in the chat say something about thanking their mailman for their service?
And I read that.
Okay, that's how you came up again.
But you dragged me further.
Well, I will because we have a radio show to fill.
I mean, unless you've got a checklist of things to talk about sitting there in front of you.
It's upstairs, but I'm looking at my Orange Man bad recipe right now for the souffle for Thanksgiving.
Thanks, Gerding.
Orange Man Bad Recipe?
Yeah, for souffle.
Are Cheetos involved?
Please tell me they are.
No, sweet potato souffle.
I don't know.
Oh, God.
I can't even talk right now for some reason.
For some reason.
Some members of my family are pro-Trump.
Some members of my family are anti-Trump.
And some just don't really give a shit and are entertained by the entire shit show.
I would put myself in that category.
So in order to stir things up at the Thanksgiving dinner table, I and my sister have decided, she challenged me.
I usually do sweet potatoes because I'm the only one that eats sweet potatoes, really, and everybody hates them pretty much.
So we're going to make this souffle.
She wanted me to make it, but I said, if I'm doing this, you have to help because it's something you have to make a souffle right before you serve it.
You can't make it and stick it in the corner.
No good.
You're going to do all this jazz and then make a big production of bringing it out to the table.
ITD.
ITD.
Go ahead.
ITDN in the chat says, is this a podcast about Belgab question mark?
It's really.
Hey, I made a post about that in the Belgab Bake Shop thread of, I think that's K-Dubs.
So technically, I'm talking about Bellgab-centric topics here.
People are free to call in if they want to talk about something.
Thank you for service in Orange Man Bad Souffles right now.
And that's how it's going to be.
It technically is a podcast about Belgab.com, but more importantly, it's just a podcast hosted by people who are of bellgab.com.
I think that's really, I think it's a bit of a mislabeling to say it's a podcast about bellgab.com because I thought it was a podcast about a radio show about a TV, not TV, a website that no longer something exists or something.
Bell?
Chefist says, thank you for the gab cast.
Vets, fuck off.
I'd say that just boils everything right down.
I don't even know that we had to discuss anything of the last 10 minutes.
We could have just read Chefist's.
I really hate how there's no way to turn off those sounds when somebody calls in on Skype now.
It's so irritating.
But I guess.
I thought you figured that out.
No.
No, there's no way to do it.
There's absolutely no way to do it.
So if you want to take calls on Skype, when someone calls in, there is no way, unless I actually pot you down and everything else down while the call is coming in, there's no way to prevent those sounds at all.
So I just have to endure it.
I'm going to have to find a new system for connecting with co-hosts and getting people on the air because clearly Skype has decided, Microsoft has decided they're no longer interested in allowing Skype to be used for any of those sort of purposes.
Hi there.
Go ahead, Pate.
You can't get back into the Skype settings and change that stupid ring sounder to something less.
I just wanted to call in and thank you.
Hold on, hold on.
Can you hear me?
Yes, I can hear you.
Okay, hold on.
I'd like you to call back.
I'm going to hang up on you, and you call back in about 30 seconds because you're coming over the same over the same channel on my mixer as Pate.
And that clearly means that.
I couldn't hear a thing.
Yeah, I don't doubt that.
That clearly means that something is not right.
So I'm going to have to make a quick change here.
USB Audio Codec, USB Audio Codec.
We'll change that.
Boom.
So you had this system that worked just fine before, and you went out and bought some fancy new hickey gadget.
I didn't buy it.
I've got this mixer that was made in like 1988.
I've had this thing for about three or four years now.
And the only reason I don't like to use it is because it is monstrous.
It's gargantuan.
It's, let's see, how many channels on this thing?
16 channels.
So 16 sliders all the way across, the overwhelming majority of which I do not need.
Hi there.
Is this Brig?
Yes, it is, Andy.
How's it going, Belgab, Brig?
I just wanted to call in and thank you and Pate for your service.
Oh, well, thank you.
I don't really have too much regard for his military service, but I will tell you that bringing you these podcasts can be a slog.
Especially with me weighing you down.
I'm sorry.
I thought it was a joy.
Well, no, it can be a slog.
I can get hurt.
Sometimes I don't get to finish the podcast when I thought I was going to be able to.
Sometimes people yell at me.
Sometimes the natives in the neighborhood will accost me as I am performing this podcast.
So any number of dangers await me as I'm doing this.
Now, people in the military, they're free to just piss right off because nothing in that area is going to go at all in an unexpected direction.
But there are lots of potential landmines.
I mean, sort of, you know, pretend landmines.
What's the word I'm looking for?
Basically, what I'm trying to tell you is that running this podcast, I face a lot more adversity than I think I would have in Fallujah 2004.
Oh, my God.
Well, sure, you have all the haters and the trolls to deal with.
And I just wanted to call in and let you and Pate know that I appreciate the service that you provide by doing these podcasts for us.
And I hope every Bell Gabber appreciates your service, sir.
You know something, Brig, that I don't understand.
Let's cut through some of the bullshit here and get down to brass tacks.
Something I really don't understand.
It seems to me there is a lot of venom and vitriol directed toward you out there and by people who either still use Belgab or who no longer use Belgab for whatever reason.
And I don't understand it.
I don't understand it.
Why is it, well, maybe it is a beautiful thing.
Maybe it's not.
I don't know.
I mean, I'm not even necessarily commenting on that.
I'm just saying I don't understand it.
Like, I see, for example, Star Mountain going on Belgab, carrying on and on about how evil you are and the negative influence you've had over Belgab and all of these.
And I can't even put my finger on what it is that's being discussed.
And she's not the only one who has this sort of venomous hatred, a seething rage where your name is concerned.
I don't understand it.
And I'm wondering if you yourself have pondered this and could possibly clue me in on what exactly it is I'm not noticing that people, not everybody.
I think it's actually a very tiny minority of people.
I think most people are just fine with you.
But is it your trolling game?
Is your trolling game so good that these people can't even really quantify what it is you're doing?
They just know you're doing it.
They can't even explain to people what it is.
I don't know what the problem is with you on the part of some people.
And I'm wondering if how much thought you've given to this.
I would be totally flattered if my trolling game is that good, MV.
I think it is.
Either way, it's a win.
Either way, it's a win because either it's hilarious or I'm just so good at it that nobody can nail exactly what it is that I do that upsets them.
So either way, it's a win for me.
I find it humorous.
But I'm just trying to understand the confusion.
I mean, I'm not mean to anybody.
But you're just this.
I don't even get into arguments with people.
No, you don't.
It makes it even more hilarious.
If somebody tries to get into an argument with me or trigger me about something, I just move on to some other thread and let them get on with it.
You know, I don't waste my time getting into fights and arguments.
People have different opinions, and I don't argue about it.
That's what's confusing because I I cannot remember ever indulging myself in an argument with anyone on Bellgab.
These people are saying that they can't hear you.
Let me take a look at something here.
I can hear her fine.
Yeah, me too.
I can hear you just fine.
Say something else, Brig.
Yeah, okay.
The recording software is picking you up.
Let me go to the Shoutcast encoder.
Say something.
Okay, say something now, Brig.
Something now, Brig?
Yeah, I don't know what these people are talking about, but I'm now completely disregarding their complaints.
So anyway, I don't understand it because as I watch how you engage on Bellgab, I've seen some really terrible stuff said about you in your face directly to you, and you don't even respond.
And I'm kind of wondering, is that what it is that sets people off?
Maybe.
But, you know, that's how I am.
Even in real life, I'm like that.
I don't engage people in arguments.
I just don't enjoy arguing.
I accept that that's how they feel about something, and I feel a different way, and I don't see any point to hashing it out.
But the fact that people react to me that way, I think even back in the early days when I first came to Bellgab,
I noticed that a lot of people spent most of their time on Bellgab arguing about politics or something, whatever they enjoyed arguing about.
And I do enjoy reading those arguments.
And I do read them.
I read the politics threads.
I just don't participate in the arguments.
But I'm that way in real life also.
I don't have any more insight into it than you do, Andy, but maybe we should try and figure it out.
Hold on, Brig.
I'm going to try moving you to a different channel on this mixer here.
We'll see how this goes.
Audio Engineering Live.
Let's see how this goes.
We'll put this one.
This XEND needs to be up.
This one needs to be down.
That needs to be turned on.
Maybe they're just trolling you, Andy.
No, I'm looking at the, it's really, really weird.
Every single thing looks good.
And then, for some reason, when your voice makes its way to the shoutcast encoder, your volume gets really low.
And I don't...
Spirit bucks.
Hold on.
Let me do this.
And do that.
Okay, say something, Brig.
Something, Brig.
Okay, no, you were just coming out of left channel there.
Okay, do it again.
Something, Brig.
Okay, we'll see how this goes.
I don't know if that's any better.
So, Brig, as soon do we have to have this entire conversation all over again?
No.
I mean, I don't mind.
You were heard.
It's just that the levels, for some reason, I'm baffled by it, actually.
When they would reach in.
Dr. MDMD said that he can't hear Greg.
And I know from my heart that Dr. MDMD would not tell a lie.
So it must be true that they can't hear me.
He's the picture of veracity.
That's certain.
I'm about to know.
I'm about to know whether the change I just made is working or not.
ITDN.
You remember this word?
I don't think I had ever heard this word.
Skype is being niggardly as fuck.
You remember the word niggardly?
You remember that guy who was like a city or a county official?
And he, okay, I'm looking here, and it looks like your audio levels are fixed now.
And I don't understand why that would have been the.
That is really weird.
You can hear me just fine, right?
Perfectly.
But when it goes.
My dear friend, Dr. MDMD, is still saying that he can't hear me.
And I believe him.
Well, there's a delay, so you're going to have to wait probably, I don't know how many seconds, but you're going to have to wait a little bit to see whether or not it's actually been fixed.
I think this is probably, for me personally, this may be one of my proudest broadcasting moments, engineering live on the air.
I love it.
Let me just give you some sound effects.
Does the mic pick that up pretty well?
Beautifully.
Yeah, I thought so.
This is an amazing microphone.
By the way, in case anyone hasn't heard me say it for the 900th time, I built this microphone.
If you want to be out on the show, the number to call is 573-837-4948.
It's 573-837-4948 if you would like to participate.
I think I have the problem fixed.
Did you hang up on Greg?
No, no.
She decided to.
Yeah, I'm just kidding.
I did hang up on her.
I felt like the call had run its course.
You know, it's at a certain point.
You just move on.
So speaking of callers and all that, I was thinking a giveaway would be awesome.
Thank you for reminding me of that.
Did you ever acquire some of the things that I had recommended that might be dangled out there for the listening audience by via telephone call?
Well, what we need to do is we need to sample the audience to determine what it is they think would be a better gift for them.
And you may recall old bars and stuff, man.
You may recall my KFVS 12 TV news appearances where I'm wearing what has been described by Belgab users as a poncho.
I don't know that I would call that a poncho.
Number one, it's from Northwest Africa.
I don't think they wear ponchos in Northwest Africa.
Number two, it's entirely handmade.
I mean, every stitch on this thing, there's not a piece of steel in sight while this thing's being put together.
Totally handmade.
I just don't call this a poncho.
I guess it is the first thing that people's brains go to when they see me wearing this.
But I have about a lot of them.
We'll just put it that way.
I'm about to hang up and break connection and call into the show.
Just get one, man.
That sounds pretty comfy.
You know, I almost wish you would hang up and just call into the phone number so that I can see if, well, you know what?
There's no point in that.
I think that's.
Aldous Burbank says he thinks Brig is low on alcohol.
That's the problem.
That is always the problem.
If you look into it throughout history, conflicts have been started because there's not been enough alcohol involved, I think.
Brigg said that she was going to be consuming some sort of alcohol tonight, but I really would like her to take it slow because at her age, too much alcohol consumption could really have adverse effects.
And as I have promised, when Brig actually dies, I will be taking over her Bell Gab account without telling anybody.
And I think that's going to be good fun.
I've just been informed you're being investigated by the fashion police, sir.
I think it's the FBI division of the fashion police.
I have no sense of fashion whatsoever.
But I will tell you this.
Those coats, I have about seven of them.
And you want to get rid of them?
You don't like them?
Everywhere I wear them, I get nothing but compliments about them.
I remember when I got my first one, I was a little bit reluctant to wear it out, actually, because I wasn't sure what people would think about that.
And so I finally, I probably owned one of these things for a year before I actually wore it out.
And when I did, it was sort of a tan with black spots.
That was the very first one I ever owned.
Probably the best one I ever owned as well.
And I took that thing, I put it on, I went out, I got nothing but compliments, and I was shocked by it.
And since then, I've been a believer.
Now, I do have a coat that I prefer more than the quote-unquote ponchos that I've acquired from Morocco.
But nevertheless, if I wear one of those ponchos, I can rest assured I'm going to get complimented on it.
So the idea on this giveaway is we have to find something we're going to give away.
Now, I don't know why it is that whatever gets given away has to come from me, but apparently that's been the circumstance that's evolved to be the case here.
You said that.
You made two suggestions on things that could be given away, one of which was a turkey for me to give away, the other of which is one of these ponchos.
I have this fine bottle of Kirtland Costco Canadian whiskey that I would be happy to sign after I empty it, because I don't think you can mail alcohol, can you?
Well, I'm not going to anyway, but I'd be happy to sign that.
I think you can mail alcohol as long as it's totally sealed up.
No?
Me?
I don't think I can.
Other people might be able to, but I don't think I could send the precious fluids away like that.
I don't know.
Maybe I would.
Maybe I could.
Anyways, I would put other stuff in the empty bottle, I think.
Like I would put some, it'd be like a little message in a bottle, a big empty bottle filled with all kinds of goodies, maybe.
But I don't know that anybody would want me to have their address, so I'd probably have to send it to you.
You think they want me to have it?
I don't know.
Maybe we could get a P.O. box just to receive their special gifts from the Gadcast.
I don't know.
So we've settled on these two ideas.
What about my turkey idea, the WKRP salute of turkeys?
What about a free turkey?
Well, I think it ought to be up to the listener as to what gift they receive.
But just know, you are going to have to have to provide a physical mailing address in order to receive the gift that's coming your way.
You know, a lot of these radio stations, you know what?
I am burning up.
Let me open this door.
Hold on.
I don't think they're interested in calling in for free gifts.
They're talking about donkeys and balls, convenience stores.
Well, so we're still talking about $1,000 guaranteed basic income.
Now, I think that's – I'm going to go on about this guaranteed basic income.
I'm not against it necessarily.
It just seems like that extra thousand bucks everybody would have, you know, it's just, it would be kind of meaningless because everybody would have $1,000.
It would just be like, that's the new zero.
Okay, I just came back in the middle of this.
Are you suggesting $1,000 be given away?
No, I'm talking about that.
I was looking at the live chat room, wondering if people were even listening to the show and the giveaway idea.
And I was off the different things they were talking about.
I mean, there is some.
I was going on about the guaranteed basic income.
So I was.
Well, there is also some commentary about whether or not White Crow has died interspersed.
But otherwise, I think they are listening.
You couldn't stop me by talking over me.
No, I just putted you down a little bit so that I could get over the cliff there.
But then when I was done, I putted you right back up, I promise.
Too funny.
You know, that's one of the advantages to running the board here.
I mean, I can just really railroad anybody I want.
Okay, so if you would like— I was merciless as a sound guy.
I— I agree with you.
I was merciless as a sound guy when the board was mine to run.
You did not want to upset me or suddenly your stage show would not sound as great as it could be.
Okay, so here's how this is going to work.
You're going to receive, of your choosing, either one of the famed MV Liberace ponchos of my choosing.
I'll choose which one to give you.
Has to be Thanksgiving themed in color.
Okay, I'll make sure it's earth-toned.
I'll make sure it has lots of earth tones, which actually they all do, honestly.
Well, you know what?
The one that I was seen on TV with didn't.
It kind of had a pinkish hue to it almost.
If you choose to use the one that you wore on TV, you have to get one of those as seen on TV stickers off of something.
You know what I'm talking about?
I don't think I would give that one away.
that's meh.
I think I would keep that one.
If you did, if you did, I mean, I'm afraid somebody might extract my DNA from that and do things with the information.
So you're saying the others have no DNA?
None.
Zero.
Every time I wear one of those, I go out of my way to ensure it's been a DNA-free night.
Okay.
I wouldn't want to wear your DNA personally anyway.
So for me, even though as fashionable as they might be, the ponchos might be out.
Well, I'm just afraid they might extract my DNA from it and then send it off to 23andMe and find out all kinds of things about my extraction.
Who needs that?
Or clone you like they did in that multiplicity movie.
And then the next thing you know, my family members are getting arrested for being serial killers and such.
Nobody needs this in their lives.
You know, that's actually happening if you go to these DNA analysis companies like 23andMe and they're trying to solve a rape that's part of a cold case or a murder or whatever.
This is how they captured the Golden State killer, the rapist and murderer.
They had his DNA, but they didn't have anything to match that to.
So they were able to look at people who had donated DNA to one of these DNA analysis websites that anybody can send their shit off to for 25 bucks.
They found a family member of the person whose DNA they already had from one of those crime scenes, and that's how they found the Golden State killer.
Believe it.
The lesson I'm getting here is that if your hobbies include murderation, raperation, or stabberation or whatever, that maybe genealogy should not be a common hobby with those two.
Maybe you should either pick genealogy or thuggery and make those hobbies separate.
Is that what I'm getting?
ITDN in the chat says a bald HIV patient with S cancer wearing a tattered hole-filled poncho.
I don't.
Yes.
I don't have S cancer, nor do I have HIV.
Is that a white crow reference?
And I don't think any of my ponchos have holes, sir.
Well, they might after you send them to them.
They might dress up a mannequin as MV and do unspeakable things there.
They might, you know, I don't know about this poncho thing, man.
There could be some voodoo ritualizing happening with an article of your clothing like that.
Well, I'm already told that people on multiple continents are using incantations against me and various other forms of witchcraft.
I know there's a certain English lady that is doing that.
I'm just going to say her initials are SV.
I do want to have a shout out to she's one of my favorite ladies of Belgab.
How are you doing, SV?
I always took that for a man.
Silly.
So here are the rules if you would like to receive either the poncho or the turkey.
And this is just in time not to make it in time for your Thanksgiving dinner.
That's classic Belgab.
Well, you know what?
After everything's done, your family's come over, they've raided the kitchen, you're going to be looking at all of the remainders and saying to yourself, or the leftovers, nobody calls it remainders.
And my family always called it remainders.
We were a very mathematical family.
You're going to be standing there looking at all the leftovers, saying to yourself, what happened?
And for the Belgab turkey to show up, you know, a day or two after your house has been raided like that, I think that's a plus by anybody's measure.
That would be appropriate.
As long as you hadn't postmarked by October, I think you'd be good.
Okay, so here's how this is going to work.
The first person to call in right now at 573-837-4948 is going to receive either a turkey or the MV Liberace poncho.
Not necessarily the one that was seen on TV, but a Liberace MV poncho, nevertheless, of my choosing.
And free of charge to you entirely.
You will have to provide on-air live for everybody to hear a physical mailing address.
No, I'm kidding.
You can arrange for that to be taken care of behind the scenes.
And this is the only time this is going to happen.
There will never again be a Liberace MV poncho giveaway.
I want people to fully understand the gravity of this and what it is you'll be receiving.
Now, for actual tax purposes, what's the actual cash value of either of these fine prizes?
30 bucks?
About 350.
350?
350?
I have no idea what these things are worth.
I think in Morocco, they're not particularly expensive.
But in this country, if you bought something like this with hand craftsmanship, they're very sturdy.
They can last a long time to get away from it.
They're extremely warm.
I mean, it really needs to be quite cold for you to wear one of these.
They're heavy.
Look at the workmanship.
I mean, you cannot get that in a first world country.
Is that actual wool?
That's not synthetic.
Wouldn't that be sad if, like, even in the midst of a giveaway, nobody calls our show?
I think that's what's happening right now.
That would be the ultimate commentary on just how badly things have gone, you know, how south, how south things have flown.
I guess on that note, I should really do another shot.
Just a moment, please.
I think rather than a guaranteed basic income of $1,000, everybody should get a poncho once a month.
I think that would really supercharge the economy.
Everybody, once a month, got a new poncho from Morocco or somewhere in northwestern Africa.
I think that would supercharge the country right now today.
ITDN says AIDS is the funniest disease.
I've always agreed with that, which is why in 1997 I started AIDS as the funniestdise.org.
We have over 22 members worldwide.
I'm going there right now.
AIDS.
I would recommend staying away from the message board, but the photo gallery, that's tough.org.
Hey, they're offering to sell me that website.
I wonder if these people really don't believe that this is serious.
If you call in right now, the person who calls in right now, the first person to call in and claim either the turkey or I can't believe I'm giving away a turkey.
Who wants a turkey from somebody?
Who really wants that?
That's the sittniest gift anybody can ever give away.
I have never encountered a situation where someone is giving away a turkey under any circumstances where I said to myself, ah, yes, that's a gift that's worth going through the motions for.
Really, frankly, if you call in and you take this gift and you opt for the turkey as opposed to the poncho, you deserve whatever communicable diseases come your way as a result of asking for that turkey.
Go for the poncho.
It's going to be far longer lasting.
You're going to have far less ass fountain after everything is.
I cannot promise you that a turkey is going to remain properly chilled through shipping.
I can't promise that to you.
Now, they do have these services that send you food that you put in your freezer and they have recipes and all the ingredients for each particular recipe you're in there.
And apparently they ship this stuff out with dry ice so that it's so that it's the temperature it needs to be when it reaches you.
That right there encapsulates what it means to live in America, baby.
God damn, I love this country.
I can receive my food in the mail with dry ice.
Go ahead.
Is that in any way cheaper than going to the grocery store and buying the stuff that you would need to make?
Whatever the hell it is?
I don't think so, but I definitely think it's cheaper than eating out.
Oh, anything's cheaper.
I mean, 50 bucks to, I mean, go in and have a glass of water, I think, anymore is eaten out.
I mean, unless you're.
ITDN says, would you rather fuck a clean fat chick or a hot fat chick?
I'm sorry, I'm totally blowing this.
Would you rather fuck a clean fat chick or a hot chick with AIDS?
That's ITDN.
With the HIV?
Well, you know, these days, AIDS, I don't know.
AIDS these days, it's kind of like they can cure that shit, can't they?
It's like if I get the clap anymore, right?
Just getting the burning peas.
It's kind of like having, I don't know, it's kind of like having ringing ears.
You know, it's just sort of an annoyance, but it doesn't really profoundly affect your life in any way anymore, right?
That's it.
Isn't AIDS?
I'm starting a competing website.
I'm going to start.
Mine's going to be called AIDSAinthatBad.org.
I'm pretty sure these days AIDS can be maintained and managed using post-it notes.
I mean, there's really very little required in order to keep AIDS at bay.
So if you want the turkey or if you would like, I have never seen a radio contest go this poorly.
Nobody wants my clothing and nobody wants a turkey sent to them fifth mail.
I cannot understand.
You know what?
This was ultimately Pate's idea, ladies and gentlemen.
What if it was a really cute turkey, though?
Oh, come on.
We'll put some lipstick on it.
You know, we'll put some tap shoes on the lips.
Send them a live turkey.
Wouldn't you like to receive a turkey?
Wouldn't you like to receive a turkey?
Wouldn't you like to receive a turkey with some little miniature tap shoes there on its severed turkey legs?
Wouldn't that just be the cutest thing?
Get it up, hold it by its clipped wings and just sort of dance it around the counter for your family.
Send them a live turkey.
One, you know, it's not dead yet.
Then, you know, living, it won't go bad if it's still alive.
You just got to throw some like corn or something in there in the box with it.
Username says in 2016, 23% of people living with HIV in the United States were women.
That's odd because I have always understood HIV to be far more communicable to women than men.
Because actually, let's say here's my understanding of things.
Let's say a man is a bottom and he has sex with a man who is a top.
I'm very in tune with terminology in the gay universe.
Don't ask me why.
Let's just say I know what's happening out there.
They both get AIDS.
Let's say a guy is a catcher.
I think perhaps that is a term that might more appropriately describe what it is I'm saying to you.
And the pitcher has HIV.
As long as there is no tearing and there is no opportunity for microbial life to work its way into the bloodstream of the recipient, there will be no transmission of AIDS.
This is my understanding of things.
But that places naturally the recipient at far greater risk of receiving AIDS than the pitcher, as it were.
Which is why I am surprised to read that less than a quarter of people living with HIV in the United States are women, since women, by their very nature, would definitely tend to be women more than men.
Asuka Langley says, this is so terrible.
Asuka Langley says AIDS is a faggot and nigger disease.
White girls never get that shit.
I don't know what the scientific research is on that, but this is what Asuka Langley is contending in the chat room.
Now, maybe there's some sort of scientific weight behind the assertions he's making here that I'm not necessarily apprised of.
This could be the case.
I'm not going to wholly dismiss what it is Asuka Langley has said here, although I would have qualms with his use of language, perhaps, but the overall assertion, I have no idea as to the validity.
I will tell you this.
Belgab has long turned to Asuka Langley as its resident scientific beacon of knowledge and insight.
So I don't know why people would suddenly start doubting him.
Username says in the United States, this is Michael Deacon.
He says in the United States, the main risk factors for HIV transmission are the same for women as for men.
So here go all the things that I just told you being blown into smithereens.
Having anal or vaginal sex with a person who has HIV without using a condom or taking medicines to prevent or treat HIV, sharing injection drug equipment, they call it equipment, such as needles with a person who has HIV.
Several factors can increase the risk of HIV infection in women.
For example, during vaginal sex without a condom, HIV passes more easily from a man to a woman.
Okay, there's actually, it agrees with what I said than from a woman to a man.
Well, you got to think of it.
The man has, if he's got the HIVs, he's carrying around as part of his original package equipment the AIDS injector apparatus.
You know, he's just shooting AIDS everywhere.
So that makes sense.
You know, a woman can't really inject the AIDS as easily.
Well, see, the man needs to inject the man needs to have an open sore of some sort into which vaginal fluid might introduce HIV to his system.
That could happen, you know, and monkeys might fly out of my butt.
But if you put a red rocket full of AIDS into my butt rather than a monkey flying out of my butt, then, you know, I'm going to get the AIDS.
Well, what I've always done before sex is slammed my penis in a door and screamed to myself, my penis makes me a bad boy.
So there might be some open wounds through which HIV transmission could occur.
Thoughts?
That's part of the fun of it.
That's part of the fun of it.
I mean, it wouldn't be any fun if you didn't do that.
Michael Deacon continues.
this is a pasted quote i'm sure from something but he says it would be hilarious if michael deacon just inherently knows all of this he says age-related thinning and dryness of the i would love it if he just knew this Age-related thinning and dryness of the vagina.
I'm sorry.
I've been consuming alcohol, ladies and gentlemen.
You have to just give me some leeway.
Age-related thinning.
Did you know that there is age-related thinning and dryness of the vagina?
I'm sorry, but I do not want to have sex with an old lady.
I was about to say, you know, it sounds like AIDS is just getting old.
I would just love to say to an old lady who wants to have sex with me, I'm sorry, but I am aware of age-related thinning and dryness of the vagina.
You're going to have to move along, Missy.
I would love to say that to an old woman who wants to have sex with me.
Age-related.
micro microbial um lubrication stuff you know anyway but thinning of okay let me continue with this paid ike can tell that the alcohol is beginning to seep in and uh you know you have a certain every person i've ever consumed alcohol with they have a certain tell where you become aware that the alcohol is beginning to take root And I think you just punched in.
You just clocked in on that.
I'm not even halfway through my second drink yet.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I sense it.
I have a super.
Listen to you.
You're like, I have a...
It's a 64-ounce Big Gulp that I fill up with one drink, and I'm only through...
This is only my second one.
Okay, I don't know how.
I'm sorry.
Maybe I'm just being overly perceptive.
Michael Deacon continues.
Age-related thinning and dryness of the vagina may all.
Oh, I just lost that comment.
I'm going to have to scroll down just a bit here and find that again.
And I've lost it.
The chat room only holds 100 comments and then you lose.
Maybe it's 50.
I don't know.
I lost it.
Nevertheless, let it be known for anyone listening right now: if you're in a bar and you see an AARP member giving you the eye, just know there is age-related thinning and dryness of the vagina.
The Vijay.
You might want to just hold out for a couple more hours and see what else comes along your way.
Just pounded a couple more drinks of Jose Cuervo Tradicional Tequila Reposado and see if something better comes your way.
Time for another shot.
I'm sorry, ladies and gentlemen, but what else am I going to do?
I'm going to try to play a song here.
Can you hear that?
Yes.
Snap T says that stat is racist.
I'm not entirely sure why.
Asuka Langley says blacks slash African Americans account for a higher proportion of new HIV diagnoses in people living with HIV compared to other races slash ethnicities.
In 2017, blacks slash African Americans accounted for 13% of the U.S. population, but 43% of the 38,000-plus new HIV diagnoses in the U.S. and dependent areas.
That's amazing.
I think what that means is that the likelihood of winding up with HIV is connected to income and class.
If you are, and education, if you are higher education, if you are of a more predominantly educated class of people, you're going to be less likely to transmit HIV.
I don't know why that is because everybody knows that you're less likely to get HIV with a condom than without.
So you're saying that Jeffrey Epstein and his billionaire buddies probably were not given the HIV to all of you.
I'm saying that poor people perhaps are more likely to say, yeah, I get the risks, but damn it, my life sucks.
I want to feel the shit.
Thoughts?
Call the show.
837-4948.
You can get a poncho.
Sure.
You know what?
I almost feel like whoever calls in to win the poncho doesn't deserve the poncho because they've taken so long to call in and claim the poncho.
I just don't want to hear that stupid freaking thing.
Okay, I'm sorry.
Username's comment suddenly mysteriously reappeared in the chat room.
He says, age-related thinning and dryness of the vagina may also increase the risk of HIV infection in older women.
So if you're an old woman out there and your vagina, it's all worn out, it's all broken in, it's all used up and thin and dry, and it's just the equivalent of masturbating in a catcher's mitt, you are more likely to contract HIV than someone whose vagina does not feel like a roll of sandpaper or a clump of sawdust.
Now, this catcher's mitt you're talking about, is this a brand new one I'm getting at Dick Sportings Goods?
Or is this like one that my grandfather would have had that's all soft and supple?
Well, you're smart.
You're smart to differentiate because I would assume oil content in a new catcher's mitt to exceed that of an old catcher's mitt.
That's all stiff and stuff.
I don't know.
I wouldn't want to masturbate into a brand new catcher's mitt for some reason.
So I would thank username, aka Michael Deacon of the Michael Deacon program for apprising us of the risks inherent in betting the old lady who is longingly staring at me from across the room in an almost creepy fashion,
who subsequently tells me that she really enjoys my drumming when in reality she merely wants to please herself using my anatomy, which I am in no way.
Go ahead.
She wants the man steak.
She wants the 50-pound hamburger tube.
I don't know what it is about drumming in a public venue, but it really brings out the sexual animalism in the 68-plus crowd.
I think it's because they can't really see you because you're behind everybody else.
Oh, so you're saying if they were really able to see me, they would run for the hills.
Yeah, they don't know that you're slightly chubby or not.
They just see your head sticking up in front of some fucking symbols and shit.
Okay, well, thanks for that.
I've seen it a million times when I was.
No, I'm not saying that.
No, no, thanks for that.
I appreciate that.
But for the fact they can't see me, if they could actually see me and take all of me in, they would.
All they can see is your dang big giant head back there.
They can't see the rest of it.
No, I think I do just fine despite my size.
You know what, this will be the last gab cast with the two of us.
If you'd like to be on the show tonight, the number to call is 573-837-4948.
It's 573-837-4948.
If you would like to receive a turkey through the mail, which is questionably chilled prior to its arrival at your domicile, or if you would instead rather receive a poncho handcrafted in Morocco, which might have possible AIDS DNA on it.
We don't know.
It will have Liberace/slash MV DNA on it.
I think that's a selling point.
I think that is something that should make it more likely we receive a caller here.
I would like to see the recipient of that poncho proudly posting videos and photos on Bell Gab of what exactly it is they've received in the U.S. Postal Service from the U.S. Postal Service.
I'll send an empty half pint.
No, I'll tell you what, a full autographed half pint of Jameson.
A full glass half pint.
I'll sign it.
I have several different colored Sharpies.
I could sign it, Pate, even personalize it.
I'm throwing in now.
Yeah.
You want that?
Richard Greiper says, Sand and the pussy?
She.
I don't know exactly what that means, but let's see.
We've got a video here posted by you.
Yes.
Wayne the HIV song.
Let's see what's up with this.
You see how interactive this show is?
HIV.
Okay, I think we got the point with that.
That's a classic song.
You should have let the whole thing play.
It's not Don't Treat Keith This Way.
I will say that.
Chefist is not allowed to make gift offers on my behalf.
No.
No, I don't like that.
Chefist is saying that the high rates of African American, I hate that term.
Let me tell you something.
I do not use the term African-American.
I think that is bullshit.
I say black.
I say white.
No, I just say black.
I say, why, hey, you're a black guy.
Godspeed.
How's it?
You know what?
You're a black guy.
I'm a white guy.
Who gives a shit?
I'm not going to use this terminology.
And I think that the reason that it offends me so much is that the term African-American, it seems like it's designed explicitly to partition human beings into subsets of a larger group.
So in other words, as an African-American, oh, you're not just an American.
I mean, nobody would look at me and say, he's a Caucasian American.
They would just look at me and say, he's an American.
A couple extra pounds, yes, but an American nevertheless.
As pointed out by Pate, who is approaching the end of his final appearance on this show.
I was just joking about that.
We don't understand the motivations.
We don't take into account the motivations.
The production staff behind the scenes are looking at me with one raised eyebrow and their index finger extended upward, shaking their head.
No.
I'm blaming the wine.
So I don't use the term African American.
I think it's a divisive term.
I don't think that your nationality should necessarily be connected in that way to your racial extraction.
I think it's something.
I think that there are people in the race hustler business out there who have existed.
You know what?
I'm going to have a cup of coffee.
I've already got a cup of coffee, but I want a sip of it for whatever reason.
Please indulge me just a moment.
I'm filling up with some ice cream.
You know what?
I only drink instant coffee when I'm at home.
Really?
When I'm at work, I drink race.
When I'm at work, I drink regular coffee, but at home, I only drink instant coffee.
And this instant coffee deviates from what I normally would drink.
Normally, I would have Ness Cafe, which is second to none.
Nobody beats it.
Great or red.
This is a black jar.
I don't know.
It's a jar with a black label on the outside.
Does it have all the natural caffeination still?
I would never drink decaf.
What kind of a psychopath are you if you're drinking decaf?
What's wrong with you?
The taste of coffee is really that good that you're going to drink it without the caffeine.
Yeah, really.
I mean, like drinking near beer.
Is beer really that tasty?
Beer tastes like ass juice.
I don't know anybody who's out there drinking beer just because, oh, man, I can't get past the taste of this beer.
So fucking good.
I would drink this shit all day if it didn't have any alcohol in it.
Well, guess what, sir?
You can buy near beer.
It's got no alcohol.
Same great taste.
Oh, fuck.
I'm going to be drinking this shit all day long.
Can you imagine going to work and just like at lunchtime, you're just tossing down near beer?
Cracking open an oat duels.
Do they even make near beer still?
That has a very 80s and 70s vibe to it to me.
Yes, it is still out there.
It's still out there.
I've seen it.
I've seen it in the bars.
An actual bar that serves real alcoholic beverages will have some O'Duels or some other.
Yes.
Richard Greiper says ladies want to fuck a dude wearing a heavy handmade punch.
I really am beating them off with the stick when I wear that thing, I have to tell you.
Asuka Langley says made by Cheddarman in North Africa.
By the way, Asuka Langley is the former name of Miku Thang.
And then eventually he morphed into Kazuni I?
Yes, Kazuna AI.
Ow?
Was it AI or Al?
I have no idea.
Some of these people create display names and then they have no idea how their display name is perceived by other people.
Read or pronounce it.
Anyway, I don't use the term African American because I believe that it's a term devised by race hustlers who want to separate human beings into separate groups and create the illusion that people are somehow separated from one another and fall into almost physically partitioned gaps.
And I'm just not having any of it.
Either you're an American or something.
That's the balkanization of a culture or country.
Somebody is subtly trying to balkanize us for some reason, reasons unknown.
Okay, Chefist has quoted something you said earlier in the show.
He says, quote, I will suck your cock if you call in Pate.
I never said that.
Well, see, he's alleging you dead.
I just read the chat room, sir.
Check the tape.
Play the tape.
Check the tape.
I want to check the tape.
I don't believe that.
You know something?
I really wish that my Richard Greiper is being so racist tonight.
He says, Neil deGrasse nigger.
I think that is just terrible.
I don't like that guy.
I in no way endorsed that.
I don't like him either.
I think he's – there's a certain – Are you talking about Tyson or Groyp?
Well, I don't know.
Well, Groiper's fine with me.
I'm on the fence with Tyson.
I think Groiper is actually, in many ways, an American icon and hero and a beacon of example to which we can all look for inspiration and guidance.
But I have to say that Neil deGrasse Tyson is somebody that I find to be a bit of a poser.
I don't think he is as.
Failed physicist.
If he was a real physicist, he'd be doing physicist stuff, not on TV trying to be a celebrity.
I think he's a poser.
He's a physics teacher.
He's a poser.
He's worse than a physics teacher.
You know, your physics teacher that teaches physics or science or whatever, biology or chemistry, if they're a real whatever scientist, they'd be doing science shit at a company or researching and not teaching the crap.
And so Neil deGrasse, Tyson, if he was such a great astronomer or physicist Or whatever.
He'd be doing that stuff, not on Ancient Aliens or whatever TV shows hands up on.
Wasn't he on Ancient Aliens?
I'm sure anywhere there's a camera rolling with electricity, that guy will shove his kisser in front of that camera in two seconds.
Neil deGrasse fucking Tyson.
I will tell you this.
I wish that my old Twitter account, it was twitter.com/slash M Vandeven.
I don't know why I'm plugging it because it's no longer available, but if it were available, you would see that about a year and a half before Neil deGrasse Tyson was accused of sexual harassment in the Me Too movement, I predicted that he was going to be accused of sexual harassment because he just has that vibe about him.
Like, he's so full of himself and he's so convinced of his own greatness.
And he's so self-assured.
And I feel like it's undeserved.
I don't know.
I'm sure there is a contingent out there that would be enamored with him were they to be within his physical proximity, but many of whom are female in nature.
And I was not at all surprised to find a story.
This was about five or six months ago.
Neil deGrasse Tyson accused of sexual harassment.
It didn't surprise me one bit.
Let me see.
Neil deGrasse.
I can't type while I'm drunk.
DeGrasse Tyson, sexual.
Harassment.
Harry Asmond.
I didn't spell harassment correctly, according to Google.
H-A-R-A-S-S.
Okay, I'm sorry.
Neil deGrasse Tyson was accused of sexual assault and rape.
Now, I am not at all on board with the people out there who think she must be believed.
No, you should really just go eat a bullet forthwith.
Rape, sexual assault, those are just like any other crime that one person might commit against another.
Why is it that if I steal something from you, I am afforded the benefit, I am afforded the presumption of innocence.
If I commit financial fraud, I'm afforded the presumption of innocence.
If I murder somebody, if I fucking end the life of another human being, I am afforded the presumption of innocence.
But if some broad decides to park her kisser in front of a camera and accuse me of touching her vag at 2 a.m. inappropriately, suddenly she must be believed.
And the entire concept of presumption of innocence flies right out the window.
It's done and over with.
I'm convicted and guilty before there's even a trial.
Why is that?
I don't understand that at all.
While, yes, I'm not at all surprised that Neil deGrasse Tyson would be accused of such a thing.
While, yes, I, in fact, predicted that he would be because he has a certain present.
He presents.
Je no sequa.
I don't know what that means, actually.
I've heard the term before, but I don't know what it means.
That's exactly what it means.
He has a certain presentation that lends to my conclusion at that time that he would in the future be accused of such a thing.
What's the term again?
Say that again?
Je ne sequ.
It means, I don't know what.
Literally.
Let me look that up.
It's actually four words.
It's J-E and then.
N-E-S-C-Apostrophe E-S-T-E Space Q U O I.
Well, you actually added it to the ship.
You actually added some additional letters and apostrophes to that.
But overall, you did far better than I would have done.
And the definition is something that cannot be adequately described or expressed.
Neil deGrasse Tyson had a certain gene sequence that easily afforded me the ability to predict a year and a half in advance that he would be accused of sexual harassment or some other Me Too related crime.
And all you have to do is go to Google and type Neil deGrasse Tyson sexual harassment.
The first story that comes up is something from centurylink.net.
Hold on.
I'm going to Google and I need to type in Neil Grabass Tyson.
Something in that order because he has a certain gené sequence that lends itself to the presumption that this sort of accusation was forthcoming.
And when I listen to Neil deGrasse Tyson speak, I don't hear him really necessarily say anything that I myself couldn't have said after years of listening to physicists appearing on Art Bell's radio show or listening to Michio Kaku talking about a river.
Everything is a river.
Everything is related to a river.
Time is a river that's flowing.
As Anthony Kumia legendarily pointed out.
Oh my God, I just realized I have a WordPress 5.3 update available to me.
I'm going to go ahead and update that.
Kazuna AI pointed out earlier in the show that if you go to ufoship.com, you cannot access the stream from that website.
So I fixed it.
And then I left that screen on the computer here.
And now that I've done so, I realize there's an update available.
So Neil deGrasse Tyson, yeah, not impressed.
I don't think he's bringing anything new to the table.
I don't think there are any theorems or theories or ideas in the area of physics that are being presented by Neil deGrasse Tyson that are new or that don't piggyback on other people.
Go ahead, Pete.
Hold on.
I think you should send him a poncho.
I think you should get in touch with his PR people and find out his address and send him a poncho.
Neil deGrasse Tyson.
Neil deGrasse Tyson.
I think Neil deGrasse Tyson's physics prowess is on par to the point where I suspect he actually could be a Gabcast listener.
So Neil deGrasse Tyson, if you're out there, just call 573-837-4948.
I will tell you this.
I'm going to be really pissed off if nobody calls in to claim either this turkey or this poncho.
I may never do another Gabcast again.
I don't know if there's ever been a public broadcast that's been delivered in the course of human history where a prize, all someone had to do was dial 10 simple numbers on their phone dial pad, press the send button, and receive a free gift in the mail.
No obligation, no cost out of pocket whatsoever.
And nobody called it.
I don't know that that's ever happened before.
This may be a first in broadcasting history.
You know, if I wasn't co-hosting, I'd be calling in right now.
I probably would have called in before now.
Oh, God, Richard Griper with the racial epithets.
Listen to him.
He says, nigger deGrasse Tyson is too uppity.
That is just terrible.
I can't endorse that.
I can't endorse that.
I can't get behind that statement.
Would you activate the 10-minute time delay if you were to call in and try to utter these foul verbiages on air?
Would you engage the 10-minute time delay?
No.
The only reason I would use the delay dump on this show is if somebody calls in and says something illegal, or if somebody calls in and doxes somebody in some way, that's it, pretty much.
That's why we have 10 minutes.
It's actually a 30-second delay.
You know what?
The software that I have that enables this delay dump to work on this show.
I'm just going to give everybody a little bit of inside baseball.
But this software that I have, nobody else has it.
I am the only person in the world who is using this software that executes this delay dump.
And what it does is there's a 30.
I can set the delay for anything I want.
It's set to 30 seconds.
So there's the delay dump itself, which is 30 seconds, plus there's the delay that's inherent in running an IceCast or Shoutcast stream, which, depending on your bitrate, is probably going to be 10 seconds or so, maybe 15, something like that.
So from the time we say something to the time you hear it, it's probably about 40 seconds, maybe 45 on the high end, something on that order.
And what this software does is after I dump out of you, if you call in and say, whatever, I don't know.
You call in, you say something that's got to be dumped out of, and MV's mom is a cunt, and I have to dump out of that.
I cannot allow that to remain.
I must execute executive decision making, and I have to get rid of.
So if that occurs, what happens is this buffer of 30 seconds decreases by about five seconds.
So that five seconds of audio that otherwise was going to be streamed to you is instead removed.
Let's say someone immediately calls in.
What actually happens to that audio?
Do you know just piped out?
It's just gone.
Does Al Gore get it?
Let's look at it this way.
Look at it this way.
Look at it this way.
Before the audio gets to the listener, there's a pool of 30 seconds of audio that can be removed from presentation to that listener for that entire 30 seconds.
So we got a call coming in here.
I'll go ahead and answer that.
But what this software does that's really amazing is let's say we've got a total of a 30-second buffer that can be dumped out of.
And I go ahead and I hit that button and that decreases my buffer to 25 seconds.
So in theory, I can only hit that button five more times before I run out of dump buffer.
And anything anybody calls in and says, I'm not going to be able to dump out of.
But the software, the way it's written, it's so brilliant that the software, what it does is after I dump out of somebody, whether it's at 30 seconds of buffer left or it's at five seconds of buffer left, as soon as I dump out of them, what it does is it begins meticulously and carefully injecting like quarter,
I think it's quarter second, maybe it's 200 millisecond little blocks.
It begins injecting silence into our conversation.
So as we're talking and there are moments of silence between the two of us as we're speaking, what it'll do is it'll inject 200 milliseconds of silence into our conversation in order to build that buffer back up.
And it'll continue doing that until the buffer makes its way back to the total limit, which is set at 30 seconds.
So hold on.
Are there HIV or AIDS involved in these millisecond injections, or is it a safe injection?
I will tell you that the buffer is set up in such a way that if anybody mentions HIV or old ladies in their dry, thinning vaginas, it automatically dumps out.
And I've complained about that feature because I thought it was a little bit presumptuous on the part of the developer.
But the feature is there nevertheless.
I think we have a phone call that we ought to go to.
Hi, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
How's it going?
Is this Michael Deakin?
I don't know who that is.
You doing okay tonight?
I'm doing all right.
I just had a question for you in regards to all this naughty talk that's been going on with AIDS and HIV and black people.
You know, I just had a question for actually both of you.
Please, only African Americans.
That's the appropriate term.
Thank you.
African Americans, right?
The only question I had for both of you was if you would or wouldn't bang a prime Pamela Anderson, let's say 96 when she was at, you know, that was really her prime there, 96.
And, well, you know what happened to her and her.
She got the HEP, didn't she?
That's right.
I'm curious if you would bang her regardless of the HEP.
I mean, if you're going to get hepatitis, it might as well be from Pamela Anderson, right?
Well, I will tell you this.
I'm going to answer first.
I'm going to answer first.
Hold on, hold on.
Badly handled Amber.
Well, that might be the same thing, though.
Never mind.
Okay, go ahead.
I'm sorry, Andy.
I didn't mean to step on your truth nugget of wisdom.
Well, it's not really wisdom.
It's more a matter of lack of self-confidence.
I mean, I would be thinking to myself, okay, I've seen what Tommy Lee did to this woman, and I'm not sure on what level I could compete with that.
I think that would probably be my first thought over and above the Hep C. I'm thinking more of matters of self-confidence rather than issues of communicable infection.
Pate?
I answered the question already, unless you potted me down.
No, I was just talking over you, and it was a mess.
Go ahead.
Oh.
I can't repeat what I just said because it's into the time delay.
But I was going to say I'd rather.
Good.
You don't hear Pete?
I can barely hear him.
Okay, how about this?
Try now, Pate.
We need to bring him up a little bit there.
Go ahead, Pate.
Say something again.
Let's see how well Michael Deacon can hear you now.
Go ahead.
Well, Daniel, in order to get a better question, I think I would rather get the herpetitis syphilis Z from a badly handled hamburger from a food service professional than old PA.
But when you think about it, it's probably the same thing.
Were you able to hear him well enough that time around, Michael?
Very low.
Really?
Yeah, he sounds super low.
I'm not sure why.
Chef has seemed to hear me just fine.
He's coming.
Well, it's a difference.
People hearing you on the show versus people hearing you when they call in.
Because those are two different, totally different audio channels.
Okay.
Well, you know what?
I would like to nail this down right here and now.
So go ahead and say something else, Pate.
MV, you're fired.
How about now, Pate?
Is that a little better?
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Michael, is that better?
Yes and no.
Okay.
Okay, let's take a call.
Hi, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hey, it's Azure.
Hi, Az.
How are you doing?
I'm good.
What about you?
I'm okay.
I'm just having a few drinks.
I'm enjoying some lime with my tequila.
I am working on audio issues.
I am, in many ways, a little bit miffed by this setup.
Perhaps this is what I get using a mixer that was manufactured in 1988 as opposed to modern technology.
I don't know.
Maybe I just need to buy a new mixer.
What do you think?
I don't know the first thing about all that shit.
Otherwise, I would be doing it.
Well, I've heard that you have a podcast out there on your Azure forum.
I don't know what technological means you're using to deliver that podcast, but apparently you are on the air and you have, I am told, now I haven't heard the podcast, but every time you fart into a microphone, someone comes to tell me about it as if they're delivering, you know, frankincense and myrrh to me or something.
And I'm told that you have a voodoo doll that you are punching needles into and that you have wished my death in a fire.
Comments?
Well, it's all in good fun.
None of it is not, none of it's really meant.
Excuse me.
None of it is really meant in seriousness or anything.
I was just paying homage to the man who inspired me to do all this, and that's you.
Who is the person that told you all of this stuff, though?
Well, actually, there are about four people every time you mention me on your podcast who come to me and tell me what it is that you've said.
And they send me a URL to listen to your podcast.
But I'm a normal human just like any other, and I don't like to hear people say mean things about me.
And I will also say that having run Bellgab since April of 2008, I mean, think about that.
We're talking, what are we coming up on here?
12 years in 2020?
In April of 2020, we'll be looking at 12 years of Bellgab.
And in the span of those 12 years, let me tell you, there have been plenty of people who found a reason not to like me or to have a problem with me.
And so, I don't know, man.
I just get long ago, I got to the point where I just stopped exposing myself to that sort of thing.
There was a time when it really would affect me and get to me.
And this fucking asshole doesn't like me on the internet.
But then it got to the point where I realized that what I'm doing running Bellgab, possibly, probably because of the nature of Bellgab itself, possibly, probably because of just running a forum and some of the executive decisions you ultimately wind up making running that.
It's just the nature of things.
There are going to be people who spring up over the span of that time who are going to have problems with you for various things.
And I don't know.
I just got to the point where these people send me links to the things that you say about me or things that you say about Belgium, but particularly me, a lot of them send me links to that stuff.
But I just don't listen to it because I don't know.
It's just, I just don't want to hear it, I guess.
And I will tell you this.
I will tell you this.
On a human-to-human level, I don't have any problems with you at all.
I mean, I never had a single negative interaction with you.
I never walked away from an interaction.
That's a little bit of a stretch.
Well, I mean, I'm not saying there's nothing you ever did that pissed me off or annoyed me.
I'm just saying that myself as an individual, I never came away from an interaction with you saying, what an asshole.
I mean, that never happened.
So then why am I still banned, man?
Like, I had to go and make my own forum because you won't even let me on Bellgab.
Because of that?
That's why you made your own forum?
Yes, because I can't be on Bellgab anymore.
Obviously, you don't listen to anything.
Well, my podcast is very irrelevant, and no one listens to it.
But the thing about it is it's very easy to record something, like pre-record something, and not do a live broadcast like you're doing.
Because I don't know the fucking thing about that.
But I just wanted to say, I'm a lot like you in the way that I'm quite sensitive myself, and I don't like listening to people saying mean things about me.
But the whole premise with my podcast is I press record and then I just like stream of consciousness.
Make it episode along.
Yes, yes.
So none of it's actually that's basically a little bit more of a window into my psyche and what goes on inside of it than anything else.
It's not like I actually hate you.
It's not like they said I was sent emails from people suggesting that you wished I'd die in a house fire.
I don't know, which I would assume includes my children since it would be the house that I live in.
No ways, never.
I do not involve children in anything I do ever.
And no, I thought that maybe perhaps you would enjoy it, but it seems you're sensitive as I am.
So we have that in common.
I am sensitive.
I live and I breathe.
I wake up in the morning.
I go to the bathroom and I poop.
And then I take a shower and I put my pants on just like you.
And who likes to hear people saying mean things about them?
I mean, you and I and everyone listening to this show right now, we're all the same in that way.
No, Shred New Vashta.
That guy likes people saying mean things about him.
He's a sadomasochist.
Richard Groiper loves to be hated.
There's people that do like that kind of thing said about them, but you and I are not in that category, I guess.
Yeah, but just these people.
I'm sorry, we have a connection from South Africa, so we might lose a few packets here and there.
But I was going to say to you, these people who present themselves online as though they love to be hated by others, perhaps that's more of a coping mechanism than anything else.
Have you ever thought about that?
I have thought about that a lot, but I do think that there are people that don't mind mean things being said about them.
Shred New Vashta, for instance, he seems like the kind of person that is, and Richard's like this too.
It's like they don't have That same emotional capacity, or they don't show it.
They seem emotionally blunted in some way, where they either separate what people are saying about them from their real life, or they do enjoy people talking about them no matter what they're saying.
Can I tell you why I banned you?
Just man-to-man.
One person.
Excuse me.
Can I tell you why I banned you?
Just one person speaking to another.
Two human beings existent on this plane.
Go ahead.
Well, I know the reason that's given when I try and log in into Belgium.
What is that?
Yeah, I would love to know it.
And what is that reason?
Oh, it says account sharing.
That's right.
And that should give you some indication as to the regard that I had for you.
I took it very personally that over the course of all of the years you and I have communicated with one another, over the course of all of those years, all of the thoughts I've shared with you,
the concern I've expressed for you when you talked about your predisposition toward harming yourself because of whatever mental complications that may exist in your life day to day.
And I've expressed concern for those things and genuine concern, by the way.
I take that very seriously.
And then I find out that more than one person is using your account.
And, well, god damn it, I don't even know who I've been talking to all this time.
I found it personally.
My girlfriend, my fiancé, who lives with me.
What's wrong with that?
Okay, okay.
I'm just, I'm not, I'm not talking about the merits of why I banned you.
I'm just talking about why I banned you.
And now, after I explain it, then we can evaluate the merits of it.
Good, bad, right, wrong, whatever.
But the reason I did was because I felt personally offended that after all of these years, I've communicated with you and I've expressed personal concern for your well-being and communicated with you as a human being that I thought was one person.
And then I find out, oh, I don't know.
One person actually isn't using this account.
This could be two people, perhaps more than two people.
I have no idea.
But now this person openly admits that they have more than one person using their account.
That was personally offensive to me.
And as I tell you that, you should take that as an assertion of the regard that I had for you and how offended I was by that.
If it were just some throwaway person who had been posting on the forum for five minutes that said that, well, who gives a shit?
Post your username and password on some account sharing website and have fun with it.
But you, it was a different thing.
And to read that, okay, I haven't even necessarily been communicating with the person that I thought I was communicating with all this time.
I found it personally offensive.
And that is as much a compliment to you and an expression of the regard that I've had for you as it is an expression of the frustration that I experienced in that moment.
Go ahead, Azra.
Okay, so just before I get to what I was going to say, does that mean that you're in my relationship as a steaming pile of shit now?
Because I still have the same amount of regard.
I'm sorry?
You've severed communications with me.
I email you and you don't reply.
You use my artwork, but you don't even want to talk to me.
Well, I will concede that when people told me you were wishing I died in a house fire, I did decide to troll you just a little bit by using one of your MV, but you've been trolling me a lot, man.
You could be trolling me right now.
Listen, I swear on my children.
Now, let me tell you something.
You bring your children into this, please.
No, I just want to express to you the truthfulness and validity of what it is I'm saying to you.
It's not a matter of bringing my children into something.
I swear on my children, I have a level of regard for you as someone that I've communicated with on a semi-regular basis over the course of several years going back, I think, to 2013, maybe.
And so when I shared that out.
And so when I found out that this person that I'm communicating with is perhaps not even the person I thought I was communicating with, I mean, you've even vacillated back and forth between whether or not you're a male or a female.
I think that the cat is out of the bag with certainty now that you're doing a podcast and people can listen to you do your podcast.
But I mean, like, in the first few years that I was communicating with you, I don't know if this was explicitly intended on your part or not, but I believed you were a woman for the first several years that you and I were communicating with one another.
Well, tell me something.
In this day and age, how do you know that you're talking to a man?
Because of the last one.
You don't.
And that's why I was just about to say that I wasn't necessarily offended or put out by that.
Look, I wear makeup and I wear nail polish, but I am a man and I do have a penis and I am straight.
I'd say at this point, that point, that fact has certainly been articulated and expressed and nailed home.
I'm going, now let me, and the other thing was, the other thing was, after you started your forum, you doxed, you didn't dox, but you allowed the doxing of Dr. M.D.M.D.
You allowed the doxing of Jack Starr.
So that is his real name, and that's his real location.
Who, Jack Star?
No, no.
Dr. MDMD.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Oh, you just told me that I doxed him.
So you've actually got to be able to do it.
Well, I don't know if it's real or not, but it was presented as though it is real.
So I'm going to assume that whoever's research went into that presentation is legit, at least in their mind.
I don't know if it's actually accurate information, but the spirit in which that information is presented, you can understand why my reaction to that would be the same, whether it's accurate or inaccurate.
I don't know if it's accurate or inaccurate.
May I explain my thinking behind my trouble with why that information is.
Yeah, you're right ahead.
Go ahead.
When I started as Gab, in homage to you, with using the suffix gab, I wanted to make it this free speech place and stuff like that.
But it was mainly a joke and a lock.
It wasn't really supposed to be this free speech bastion.
It was just clever copy that I thought would look good.
But then I was presented with this decision.
Do I uphold and make it look like it is a free speech site?
In that case, I have talked about it being an unmoderated, uncensored, uncut platform.
Well, perhaps I should leave the information up that people share and let it be on them.
So that is the reason why I left stuff up.
But in the end, I realized something.
I realized that when it was done back to me, that was when I banned the very person that did it to everybody else.
So I realized my hypocrisy and I learned a lot about what you go through.
Well, it probably hasn't touched the tip of the iceberg of what you go through over all these years, but I started to realize why Bart reacted certain ways he has and you have over the years, and things started making sense to me.
And that was my challenge: do I leave things up because I said that I'm an unmoderated board, or do I take them down?
That was the basic from you is that you've gone through the natural evolution of someone who owns a forum and allows people to post there.
The same evolution that I went through, which was you start out and you say, I am sick of all these forums that moderate comments and censor things.
But then eventually you get to the point where you realize, well, wait a minute, there are certain things that perhaps don't quite work for public presentation.
And while, yes, your assessment of what it is and isn't that should be allowed for public presentation is a personal matter, it is a fluid thing, and it is a matter of personal assessment that you as an individual have to look at and make decisions about.
And there isn't necessarily a right or wrong answer.
And one of the things that I one of the things that Bellgab over the years has had is this great unbanning.
And the reason it's had the great unbanning where every single account other than spammers that's been banned is unbanned is because I recognize that I, as a human being who poops in the morning after he wakes up, am not infallible.
My assessments of things, my decisions, my instinctive, reflexive reactions to things are flawed.
And I can't assume that the decisions that I've made are correct.
So after some time has passed, what I do is maybe a year, every year, every two years, whatever.
I don't know.
I just wait until it feels right to me.
And I go into the ban list on Bellgab, and I just unban everybody.
And that's because of that.
And I think that a lot of the people that have had problems with me over the years, or a lot of the people who've over the years decided that they have some reason to hold a grudge against me or feel some level of animosity toward me because of decisions I've made in running Bellgab, those are people who have never run a forum and faced the random variety of things that are thrown at them and about which decisions have to be made.
And there's just no way you're going to, like, I would submit to you, Azure, that on the forum that you've started, what's the URL, by the way?
How do people see the forum?
It's just asgab.world.
I would submit to you that on asgab.world, there have been numerous instances in which you've encountered things that conflicted with what you had as your original vision for the forum and caused you to deviate from what was your original mission statement.
It's just simply impossible that that won't be the case.
Maybe somebody's doxing.
Maybe somebody is going in and deliberately derailing threads and making it insufferable for people to communicate with one another and overall just diminishing the user experience on the forum.
There could be any number of reasons that you, as the person who's got the keys to the castle, have to step in and artificially affect a situation.
And I think that once you step into that situation, you begin to understand that and you begin maybe to even have a little sympathy for the plight that is mine as I've run this forum for a decade plus two years almost.
It's just, that's why I try not to make friends with people on Belgab.
I would say that Pate hosting these gab casts with me is someone that I'm probably never going to run into problems with.
Brigg is probably someone that I'm never going to run into problems with.
But generally speaking, man, I have to tell you that I try not to become too chummy and too personally friendly with people because I feel like eventually everyone is going to find a reason to have a problem with some decision I've made or some call I had to make.
And it's over, I mean, I'm telling you, a decade plus two years, that's a decent stretch of time.
And that is a rather thorough opportunity to size things up.
And in that time, I've come to the conclusion that it's very difficult for me to be friends with anybody related to the forum that I run.
I mean, look at, look, for example, look at the people who run, look at the people who choose now to use LGAB rather than Bellgab.
Those people have a personal animus toward me that I can't even begin to approximate or articulate for you the reasons for.
I have no idea why it exists.
I'm some guy who lives somewhere who otherwise is a nobody as it relates to the day-to-day lives of these people who's really done nothing specifically personally to these individuals, but yet they have found some reason for somehow, some way to decide for themselves that as a way of giving me a kick in the ass, they're not going to use my forum anymore.
That's fine.
I understand it.
I've become acclimated to it.
There's nothing that surprises me anymore.
But my point is that you cannot, in the course of running a forum and being the only guy with the keys to the castle, maintain friendships with people because people eventually always, every time, find some reason, some reason, somehow, some way to have a problem with you.
Star Mountain.
Yes.
I mean, like, I mean.
Damn, she reports posts every fucking day to the point where I removed the report option.
Let me tell you something.
I wish Star Mountain would call into this show because I would love to have a heart-to-heart with her and explain to her how it is that she changed.
I didn't change.
I'm the same person I always have been.
I even got an email from someone telling me that she went on your podcast and said that I'm no longer with my wife, like that I've separated from my wife and shit.
I don't even know what that's all about.
I don't even know what that's all about.
I don't know where that came from.
I don't know where that may have started.
Now, let me tell you, there are certain things.
Go ahead.
No, I'm sorry.
I'm talking too much.
You go ahead.
No, she's got similar problems to me, man.
She's not all there.
I know I said that.
Wait a minute.
You just came on my podcast and you said that Star Mountain is not all there.
And I heard that you had a very thorough and in-depth and involved conversation with her on your podcast.
And now you're going to come on my podcast and say that she's not all there.
How do you think she's going to react to that?
Well, she's probably going to be very upset, but it's the truth because her and I have similar problems.
We've got similar psychological problems.
So I'm not all there.
So, I mean, I sound very well-adjusted and normal now, but you people don't have to live with me.
You people don't know what I'm like day to day.
So I'm not all there.
She's not all there.
We have similar problems.
Well, on a certain level, I can relate to you because I have Tourette's Syndrome.
And I...
I remember that.
I, um...
So I understand being psychologically abnormal, but what you need to understand about yourself is that psychological abnormality is what has resulted in some of the greatest manifestations of art and culture and human experience as presented to the masses ever.
Yep, I'm great at that stuff, but I'm terrible at real life.
Well, maybe you just need to, I don't know how things are going in your personal life, but maybe you just need to.
They're fucking chaotic.
Are they?
Always, man.
I've spoken to Richard Groiper about this.
Him and I are actually on quite good terms.
He calls us friendly acquaintances.
That kept things in perspective for me because I tend to take things too seriously sometimes and not seriously enough other times.
But yeah, man, my life is chaotic.
It's because of the things that I do and don't think through.
And I've got some stories to tell about things I've been through.
Sorry, I'm not laughing at you.
I just walk away I don't.
No, I swear to God.
I just, I'm looking at the chat room and I saw here the man who fell to earth says star one at MV's appendage.
I'll rephrase this in her rapidly drying and thinning vagina.
So if I mean, if you've heard the prior one hour of this show, you would understand the references that are being thrown at the listening audience there.
I do not necessarily endorse that comment.
Go ahead, Azure.
Well, I think it's safe to say that you don't hold any animus toward Star very much, like on any level.
I do not.
Let me tell you what.
Can I interrupt you?
I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
I simply...
It's your show, dude.
Well, it's...
But still, there's a matter of being polite and whatnot and having conversations, you know.
It's got to be bi-directional.
I just want Star Mountain to understand.
That's it.
Like out of nowhere, she started prancing about Belgab, suggesting that I had changed in some way just because I don't hate Brig.
Now, where her animus toward Brig started, I have no idea.
And you may have heard Briggs.
I fucking hate Brig.
I hate Brig.
Why?
See?
I would like to have an answer to this.
I would like to understand.
You know how you just don't like certain people?
Yes.
Very much so.
That's pretty much it.
Well, you know what?
Some people just don't get along.
I don't know, man.
I don't know.
There's something on the side.
Can I tell you something?
Can I tell you something that has been told to me?
Go ahead.
I don't know if Brig would necessarily want me to tell you this, but I feel like it's going to be productive for this conversation.
So I'm going to tell you.
Plus, I'm a little bit drunk, so I'm a little bit more honest than I otherwise would be.
Brig has told me that at one point you wanted her to engage her in exchanging private messages, and Brig has a tendency not to communicate with people via private message.
And because she refused to communicate with you by private message, you took that as a personal slight, and that is the genesis of your negative feelings toward her.
No, no, no, no, not at all.
Not at all.
Are you being honest?
I remember.
Are you being honest?
I'm being honest.
I'll tell you exactly what happened.
I remember clearly.
I sent Brig a PM once in my life, and it was, I was being pretty rough on her for like a couple days, and then I hit a little bit of a period of feeling quite guilty about it.
And basically, all I did was send her a PM saying, hey, I was just kidding around something along those lines, and she didn't reply.
And it may have been true that I continued to treat her very poorly, but I've always done that with her.
Like, I don't really remember how it started.
Perhaps it was some of the stuff that Star was bandying about and saying that Envy is possessed and Brig has her claws in him.
And it's all fun, though.
It's all very fun to entertain people who are not all there.
And it's wrong.
It's not good to do.
But I mean, people have fucked with me before.
So look, it makes interesting conversation.
I'll say that.
You know, the circle of hatred.
The circle of hatred is you, Dr. MDMD, Brig, and Richard Groiper.
Richard Groiker.
He's part of it, but not part of it.
But there's something evil going on in that ring of people on your board.
And I don't really know how to place my finger on it other than to say that it makes a lot of sense to me.
And I can come up with a lot of what I deem as logical conclusions as to why I'm supposed to oppose these individuals.
But I don't really know why.
And I don't really know how it all works.
But I can see things happening.
Things that seem evil to me and dark.
I mean, you're when you when you say things like dr. MDMD, well, you didn't say this, but you said that you're not really friends with anybody on Belgab.
Man, you love Dr. MDMD.
You suck him off all the time, and he does the same back to you.
And you love the fact that he strokes your ego.
Hold on now.
You love nothing more.
At that point, you're mind reading.
You don't know what's actually in my mind.
You can't say that what I love or what my reaction to things actually is.
Your only interpretation of what my thoughts are is what I allow you to know and what I allow you to see on Bellgab.
Frankly, when people type praise MV, when people type praise MV, I used to be embarrassed by that.
What stops?
That's where you change.
That's where you change.
When you start accepting praise MV.
That's what I'm telling you.
That's what I'm telling you.
You're mind reading.
You don't know what's in my mind.
I can't.
You can't.
No, you can't.
You can't.
You can't and you don't.
You may not believe it.
You may not believe it, but I do have that ability.
I've got the ability to know what's going to happen before it happens.
So what you're asking.
My grandmother's got to say at this point, the conversation has entered into what might be described as a debate.
And in that debate, you're asking me to swat at ghosts floating in the air.
I can't prove to you what my inner thoughts are, but what I can prove to you is that you can't know what my inner thoughts are.
If Dr. MDMD ever encountered you in real life in a bathroom stall, he would drop down to his knees and he would give you head till the cock hit the back of his throat.
Well, I would expect you to do that.
I have to tell you, frankly, I would expect that of 92% of Bellgabbers.
But having said that.
That's the problem.
I'm just kidding.
You keep people around that stroke your ego, that tell you how to do it.
No, I don't.
No, I don't.
I mean, there are plenty of people.
Look at, for example, GD5150, who has roundly pronounced that he is not in any way impressed with any of the podcasts that have ever been associated with Bellgab.com.
Look at Sredny Vashtar, who clearly is not in any way impressed with what's happening on this podcast and who routinely, apparently, has decided he no longer wants to post on Bellgab.com.
Look at Yorkshire Pud, who, I mean, there are plenty of people on Bellgab who are not there to suck my ass.
And that's that's only, okay, my dick, my ass.
It depends on what my predispositions are as to what it is I might find most enjoyable.
But I will tell you, come on, Azure.
Azure, you know, you know.
I can't tell you what you know because I myself would be engaging in mind reading.
But I will tell you that sucking my ass or whatever other appendage it is that I may have has never been a prerequisite for using excuse me.
I'm sorry.
That's all this alcohol.
For using bellgab.com.
And if you do.
You were unbanned about 15 minutes ago.
Why?
Because I called into the gab cast.
Not necessarily because of that, but because you called in and hold on, can I finish this thought?
Not necessarily because you called into the GabCast, but because the two of us interacted as individuals, human beings alive and breathing on the surface of this planet.
I love you, man.
Well, you know what?
I won't say that I love you, but I will say that.
I don't know.
I don't like being loved.
Well, I'm just being honest.
I mean, I don't love anybody on the internet, but I will tell you that I have an affection.
You love Dr. MV.
No, see, again, you misinterpret things.
Like, for example, selecting Dr. MDMD as the Bell Gabber of the Year.
What the fuck is Bell Gabber of the Year?
Does anybody really assign weight to that designation?
I mean, is there anybody else?
Metron does.
Is there anybody?
Well, let me ask you, is Metron necessarily the most psychologically cogent person you've encountered in your life?
Is Metron the person who you feel as someone who is psychologically compromised, you should be exposing yourself to on a routine basis?
Actually, I know him in real life.
No, you do not.
And he's one of my closest friends.
Have you met?
He's one of my closest friends.
Have you physically met him?
Yes.
Yes.
Are you bullshitting me right now?
Are you bullshitting me right now?
He's actually a very good guy.
And his opinions, his political opinions align a lot with yours, so don't worry about it.
Of course they do.
So that should tell you right there that it's not required you come on Belgab and suck my ass in order not to have a problem That makes no sense, but you're drunk.
Can I say no?
No, you just said that that guy's political opinions are aligned with mine, yet that guy is not allowed to post on Bellgab, and I'm saying that that makes the point that coming on Belgab and sucking my ass and agreeing with me is not in any way related to whether or not you'll be allowed to continue posting on Belgab.
The reason Metron was banned is because he is somebody who inserts himself into every conversation and the conversation.
He's a bit of an asshole.
It's not even that.
There are plenty of assholes on Belgab, myself included.
The problem is that every conversation that happens, he inserts himself into it and makes the conversation about his opinion.
And then when you go to the main screen on Bellgab and you look at the recent posts section, you'll see that every single motherfucking goddamn post that's existed on the forum over the last period of time is a Metron post.
Who has that much time to sit in front of their computer and post on a forum?
And I'm not even commenting on whether or not he should or shouldn't be your friend.
I'm simply telling you that's why he was banned on Bellgab.
And the fact that his political predispositions align with mine, yet he was still banned from the forum because of his hyper-posting should illustrate for you the fact that coming on there and just, oh, yeah, I agree with everything MV said or Liberace said.
That's not what it comes down to.
I get you.
I get you.
I understand.
You even know on your own forum.
You even know on your own forum.
Guarantee you, if someone were to go to your forum right now, asgab.world, and look at the people that are posting on there, I'll bet it's predominantly Metron posts, isn't it?
Yes, last night it was.
Yeah, and every night.
Well, look, he has admitted to me that he's got a lot of time on his hands.
Yeah, I'd say he does.
I just want to say something, please, that I don't want to forget this.
I just want to give you the real reason behind this whole account sharing thing.
I know we've moved on from it, but I was under the impression that my girlfriend could not sign up with her own account on Bellgab because there would be some sort of IP clash and I would be banned.
So she started sometimes posting with my account.
But we'd be like, you know, having coffee in the morning and the laptop would be out and then she would maybe like give me some input on what to write or I would give her input and she would be writing and we would have fun together because Bellgab's fun.
And I thought that, you know, that would stop any sort of red flag that we were trying to have any duplicate accounts.
And I was trying not to be banned.
I don't know if that was wrong on my part, but was that a misunderstanding on my part?
Total.
Are you allowed?
Total.
So two people can have.
Absolutely.
Two people can have.
Oh, because Laura and Pud, like, they live together, don't they?
And let me put it to you this way.
When someone signs up for a BellGap account, the first thing I do is I look to see if they're signing up from that account from a VPN or a proxy.
If you're signing up from a VPN or a proxy...
God damn this tequila.
If you're signing up from immediately, the account is rejected because it's assumed if you're going to sign up from a VPN or a proxy, you're up to something.
And so immediately the account is rejected.
But if you sign up for a new account and you're signing up from a unique email address, however, the IP address is consistent with someone who is a pre-existing user.
The account is still allowed to register.
Now, this has not necessarily been specifically articulated for public consumption, but that is how it works.
But I've used a VPN and gotten in on Bellgab with a different account.
Yes, but not during registration.
That is the only time that's taken into account.
If you use a VPN and a proxy on Bellgab after you've registered, nobody gives a shit about that.
It's only during the registration process.
When you go to Bellgab and you click register, you don't immediately get access to the forum.
Your account has to be reviewed by the administrator.
That's me.
And after that happens, after that happens, then you get access to the forum.
And that is probably the primary metric that's used to determine whether or not your account should be activated.
Okay, well, that all makes a lot of sense to me.
And thanks for explaining that.
Well, you know what?
Perhaps you have exposed a failing on my part to adequately articulate for people these criteria.
It's just that I have felt like perhaps these are criteria that shouldn't necessarily be expressed to people.
Yeah, maybe not.
But I just want to say that you know this Zaza, the one motherfucker, like dude.
He's created so many problems for people and I thought it was funny at first, but my god, that guy is a fucking cunt, because what is it you don't like about?
I don't know if it's you, I don't know um many things.
Uh shit, it's so hard to articulate, like there's a lot of things running through my head but um, you know, somebody bought asgab.com.
It may be you, it may be Richard, may have been Breg, it may have been the one I've been asked about as well information.
You know, that was a bit.
I was really looking forward to having asgab.com as my domain right, and and because I don't have, like you know, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not like well off or anything I had to wait a bit until I could afford to go ahead with buying a domain.
So by the time I got there, somebody had bought it and you know, obviously that's a big joke to whoever did it, because you know they fucked me and they're hearing my disappointment right now.
So they won yeah, but whoever it was put started putting up images of a person on there, a person that isn't me but it is is an associate of mine and using a legal name because I I have gone to great lengths to to shelter myself from being doxxed.
I've used all kinds of methods and alternate names and stuff on everything that I communicate with people on.
But unfortunately one of my associates has been uncovered and when I expressed the fact that legal action was going to be taken, all of a sudden the Asgab.com was redirected to LGAB.
At first it was El Gab and I thought it was you and I was raging on my podcast and it made for.
You know, it made for an entertaining show, but I just don't know what.
The one just seems to spread hatred wherever it goes and I'm often one to find that kind of thing amusing.
But when it was turned around on me and started affecting my real life like you say about free speech it got a bit too close to home and it started to make me realize what exactly, you know, other people feel like when it's them.
What is the domain name that?
What is the domain name that somebody bought asgab.com?
Okay, let me go there.
What I see is what I would describe as satanic imagery.
Satanic imagery, let me go check that out.
Wow okay well, whoever it is, you know more power to them.
I just don't want any of my associates and people that are in business with me being affected.
So you're saying, somehow the person that bought this domain decided that this is you, but well, there was a legal name on the PayPal link.
Okay, I see, I see this is satanic imagery.
Haha, very funny.
Whoever's listening?
But um uh, there was a legal name displayed on the PayPal account that I used for donations when I first started as GAB, and that legal name was the name that the one ran with and has started to smear.
Um, this person And what happened was I.
It was at first funny to me, but then I was like, you know, this is this can get serious.
Well, if somebody started, if somebody is going after you personally, I don't know that my reaction would be to find that funny.
Yeah, but you see, I'm a little bit of a different cat, MV.
I don't have the same line of indecency that other people have.
Mine, I've got a pretty, pretty, pretty, I don't know how to describe it.
I've got a pretty open mind, and a lot of things don't affect me.
But then when I get in a certain frame of mind, everything affects me.
So, look, this isn't compelling, what I'm talking about, but you know what the one is like.
You've had your troubles with it.
I don't need to tell you.
You know all of the behind the scenes, whatever he's done to you or tried to do to other people.
So, you know, there's nothing really more to say than that.
You know what the one is about.
You know what Zazo is about.
And I thought Zazo was fucking hilarious on Bellgab.
You know something?
Can I tell you that my only problem with the one was that when he would start posting on Bellgab, what would happen is he would start out initially being friendly and reasonably nice to people.
Hold on.
These EQ knobs are not right.
He would start out initially being friendly and nice toward people.
And it was almost as if it's a ruse to be allowed back onto the forum.
I mean, I probably unbanned this guy eight or ten times.
I mean, literally.
I think I've probably unbanned him about that many times.
And what will happen is he will come onto the forum and he'll start out acting as if he is personally interested in being a contributor to the forum or in some way.
I don't know.
He'll just start out pretending as though he fits into the forum.
And as things progress, it manifests into some sort of I don't know.
He just kind of pulls a Metron where every single post is him.
He replies to every single thing everyone submits to the forum, but there's a vitriol behind it.
It goes beyond even Metron.
That's the best way I can explain it.
And it gets to the point where you have to ask yourself, okay, I'm running a forum here.
Do I want this to be the Zaza slash the One forum?
Or is this a forum that has other purposes?
And it eats up all your bandwidth.
I'm not even concerned about that because bandwidth these days is so cheap that it's not even a concern.
But it just gets to the point where he consumes the forum and everything becomes about this guy who doesn't even speak proper English, which considering that English is his second language, I will tell you I'm rather impressed.
I mean, as a second language, he speaks better, far better English than I speak any foreign language, but still I didn't know that.
I mean, look at his posts.
He leaves out articles.
He doesn't use the word the.
He doesn't use the word a.
And that is a Telltale sign that you're reading somebody who does not speak English as a first language.
So clearly, English is not his first language, and it becomes patently obvious that it's him, regardless of how many alternate accounts he might sign into the form with.
It becomes patently obvious that it's not him.
Or that it is him, rather.
Tootsie Woots is under the impression that it's Tangerine.
You know what?
That is a name that has stopped posting on Bellgab for quite some time.
I think it's because, hey, let me tell you about Tangerine.
Tangerine, someone posted on Bellgab asking, what is Tangerine's original because Tangerine would change display names like people change underwear.
And so eventually someone posted a message saying, what is Tangerine's original display name?
I think that's a pretty fucking reasonable question.
If you're asking me, sorry for the profanity, but I think that's a reasonable question.
We have someone who changes display names every 15 seconds.
So somebody wants to know what their original display name happens to be.
So I replied that their original display name is Jojo, which this person had used on Bellgab for years prior to their first name change.
And then Tangerine or 16 or whatever display name this person would like to use.
God damn, this is a niche podcast.
If you're not a Bellgab user and you're listening to this, if you're not a Bellgab user and you're listening to this podcast, you must just be ready to shoot yourself in the face right now with a 12-gauge shotgun.
Not a 20-gauge, but a 12-gauge.
It's got a little bit more oomph.
I don't know if you, as you living in South Africa, would be aware of gun calibers.
I don't know what the gun laws are there, but here in America.
Okay, well, here in America, we can own just about anything we would like to own.
And that is actually a subject I'd like to get on to with you in just a few moments.
But this person posed this question, and the appropriate response is: well, their original username, display name was JoJo.
And after I posted that, this person who goes by Tangerine started prancing about Bellgab, declaring that I'm somebody who outsers.
And something else related to that exact situation was the major player bullet list that I put up.
She told me that I outed her for having different names because it was slashes when it came to her bullet list characterization.
She was pissed off at me because I outed her.
I'm sorry.
While you were saying that, I was taking a shot.
And I thought she wasn't.
Wasn't quite ready to respond.
Some people are not particularly enthused by these drunk casts and find it unlistenable.
I wasn't.
Well, what these people have to understand is that what I am attempting to do here is entertain myself.
I am trying myself to have a good time.
I have a stressful job and I enjoy unwashing.
I'm not under any delusion that sitting here in front of this microphone, I'm suddenly going to become some sort of a massive radio star.
Somebody's going to describe me, and suddenly Kellogg's wants to endorse my podcast.
That's not at all my perception of things.
I'm just sitting here trying to have a good time with things.
And if people find it unlistenable that I am a little bit inebriated by alcohol, what you have to understand is that I could either do this or I could choose a actually in this world, I only have two friends outside of my family.
I think you're a normal person.
I think you're a normal person if you only, especially at the age of 40, have a loser.
Wow.
I think that it's normal if at the age of 40 you only have one or two people that you can really call friends.
And I'm talking about...
Dude, I've got so many friends.
Oh, come on.
How many of those people, how many of those people, see, I think perhaps the problem here is that your definition of the word friends.
Things are tough.
I think that perhaps your definition of the word friend and my definition differ.
My definition is that a friend is somebody who's going to come pick you up at 2.30 in the morning because your tire is flat.
that is how i define a friend and i only have about none of my friends have cars I've always got to drive everybody fucking around, man.
Well, see, you know what?
You are the schlub, then.
You are the guy.
I can't drink on psychiatric meditations.
What the fuck?
Really?
You know what?
I guess that is the case, isn't it?
That's a shame.
what about weed can you smoke what what's the weed situation in south africa Can you smoke weed in South Africa?
Yeah, it's legal.
But it drives me.
Really?
Yes.
Okay.
Legal.
For recreational purposes.
For personal use.
For personal use in your own home, but people basically smoke it everywhere they want.
Yeah.
Okay.
Hold on.
Hold on just a second, Azure.
I'm going to have to take this call.
I don't know if it's going to cut you off or not, but I'm going to go ahead and take it.
Hi, Chefist.
You're on the air.
Go ahead.
Hello.
Chefist.
Hello.
I don't know.
Chefist?
Silent.
Silent.
Chefist?
Nothing.
Okay, nothing.
Absolutely nothing.
Can you still hear me, Azure?
Yes, I can hear you clear.
Okay, I don't know what Chef is trying to call in about.
It would probably be best if Chefist were to simply I am me what it is he's trying to say I think that with this new New mixer injected into the situation.
Things are a little bit less predictable than otherwise would be the case.
But when I think of friend, I think of someone who is going to come and pick me up at 2:30 in the morning because my tire is flat.
I think of somebody who's going to come to my house and change the battery in my car because I'm at work and my wife needs to go somewhere and she can't because for whatever reason the stupid battery in her car is dead.
Those are the things I think about when I think of friend.
I think of somebody that I would give a kidney to if they actually needed one.
And I swear to God, I swear on everything that that's what I mean.
When I think of friend, I think of someone that's going to get a kidney from me if they actually need it and without reservation.
And I think that the internet has a new frame like that.
Well, see, that is your friend.
So I have two friends.
You have one.
So you're better than me.
No, I'm simply trying.
No.
I'm simply trying to articulate to you that the methods that we use, particularly in 2019 with the internet and communication with other human beings, the methods we use to determine and define a friend, it's become so muddied and so ambiguous that it's people.
I think one of the things that caused this problem is the advent of Facebook and the term friend being used to define who it is that's allowed to see what you post.
Wow, that's a nice tie-in.
I would say to you that I would say to you that probably an easy 50% of the people that are referred to as friends on your Facebook account are people you haven't even talked to.
Now, granted, I am 40, but and I don't even use Facebook.
But the last time I did use Facebook, I had people that I haven't even spoken to since 1998 attempting to add themselves to my friends list.
And I'm thinking to myself, okay, you and I haven't talked since 1998.
You and I haven't talked for 20 years, but now you want to add yourself to my friends list.
I don't understand this.
You and I haven't talked in a while.
Hold on, MV.
Hold on, MV.
Hold on.
Hold that thought.
Please hold that thought.
Don't forget what you were going to say.
You and I haven't talked in 20 years.
There must be a reason for that.
It wasn't merely accident that you and I stopped talking to one another.
But now you want to add me to your friends list.
You want to see the pictures of my family.
You want to see my children growing up.
You want to see what's happening with my wife and in my life.
And you haven't even bothered to pick up a phone and call me in 20 years.
You know what?
Shove it straight down your throat because I'm not interested.
Go ahead, Azure.
Look at them these wife.
Take a look at this, guys.
Listen, Envy.
She's beautifully big-breasted.
Go ahead, Azure.
I love the brand woman.
You, you blocked me on Twitter, dude.
What the fuck?
Because, let me tell you why I blocked you on Twitter.
It's because these podcasts you're doing where you say things like MV should die in a fire, which I imply, which implies that it should occur in my home, which would also encompass my children.
I know that you're not into saying anything about children.
I understand that entirely.
And I don't doubt you when you say that.
But when I see stuff like that, you're sending mentions to me at Bellgab D-O-T-C-O-M.
And it's to podcasts.
I don't have an MV Twitter account.
The only Twitter account I have is at Bellgab D-O-T-C-O-M.
And when I'm getting emails from people telling me that you're wishing that I die in a fire, and you are, hold on, please.
And you're at mentioning me on Twitter to go listen to these podcasts.
As I've told you, after a decade plus two years of running this forum, I've reached a point where I just have no personal interest in being exposed to that sort of negativity.
And so I just, I do away with it.
I excise it from my life and my day-to-day existence.
And that's why I blocked you because you at mentioned me on one of these podcasts where I had previously been informed by somebody that you were saying these terrible things.
Well, you've got to understand that I've been influenced by you and what you've done on your show.
And in your days on what you've done, you've told a lot of people to die in fires, namely one of my good friends.
I've also told people to crash into bridge abutments.
I've also told people to crash into bridge abutments.
I'm not suggesting to you that I'm necessarily innocent in this regard.
I'm simply suggesting to you that there are certain things I try not to expose myself to.
Well, when you are no longer around, you can be the odd bell that passes the photon to Azure, and I will be the new other way.
And I will carry Belgab forward, and I will repurpose it as my own.
That's not necessarily a huge personal endorsement to be the new Heatherweight.
What are you doing to yourself?
Aim higher.
I don't know why it is that people seem to understand.
Let me ask you this.
Of your podcasts, what's the longest podcast you've delivered to people?
Maybe like two hours and 15 minutes.
Okay, well, so Two hours and 15 minutes talking into a microphone, attempting to be entertaining to people.
I would say to you, there's a level of talent inherent in that you have.
And it's something that I wouldn't even deny Heather Wade.
I mean, despite my personal qualms with her, if you're able to sit in front of a microphone and talk for two hours and 15 minutes in a coherent way, I'm not even addressing how entertaining it necessarily is for people, but if you're able to do that, the first job I ever had in radio, one of the things that they had me do was sit in front of a microphone and just talk for, I think,
until I couldn't talk anymore about anything I wanted to.
And this was in 1997.
This gives you some illustration as to how old I'm becoming.
You know what?
You know how put out I feel that things that happened in the 90s are starting to make me old?
That really bothers me on a lot of levels because in the 90s, it's just, I'm sure people from the 70s had similar feelings.
Like, if you're from the 70s, you're so hip.
You're so modern.
The word hip is a mistake.
Yeah, that probably is my first mistake, is using the word hip to describe this.
But, you know, there was a period of time in the 70s where if you were with things, you were hip.
And then into the 80s and into the 90s.
And if you were with things that were happening, then you were hip.
And do you know how put out I feel that being associated with and acclimated to things that were happening in the 90s makes me old?
I mean, it makes me a codger.
It bothers me.
I mean, the fact that all of us are here right now, there's not a single person listening to this podcast right now who is here because they give a shit necessarily about me.
Azeri, are you there?
Yep.
Okay, we lost the call for a moment.
We lost the call for a moment.
There's not a single person listening to this podcast right now who is here because they necessarily give a shit about what it is that I have to say about anything.
All of us right now, as we're listening to this podcast or hosting this podcast or calling into this podcast, we're all here because of Art Bell.
And Art Bell is a phenomenon of the 90s.
I graduated high school in 1998.
The heyday of Art Bell for me really is 1996.
I mean, I remember listening to Art Bell in 1991.
That's when I started listening to Art Bell in 1991.
And I say that, and it feels modern to me.
It feels, I don't know, 1991, I say those words, 1991, and it feels like it just happened to me.
But in reality, 1991, holy shit.
Let's say what is that?
That's 28 years ago.
28 years ago.
Most of us are here because of something that for me personally began about 28 years ago.
And so I'm not at all under the impression that, let me put it this way.
When I first started podcasting back in 2006, what I had was a stream.
It was a stream on the internet called GeorgenoriSucks.com.
And I owned the domain name, but I didn't really have a forum or anything set up around the domain name.
So I didn't know what to do with it.
But I still had a stream called Georgenorisucks.com.
That's how I built Bellgab.com.
It was entirely based on people coming to Shoutcast or wherever they're going to listen to things on the internet, finding that stream, seeing in their player that the title of the stream was GeorgenoriSucks.com and going to that website.
And fast forward, God damn, I'm sorry, I'm drunk, Ezi Ray.
I don't remember the point that I was going to make.
But the fact is that I know that people who are listening to this are not here because of me or because of it.
Oh, here's the point that I was going to make.
It is that I artificially, and by the way, I don't know, Eziree, if you have some noise going on in the background, if you're outside, if there's something blowing on your mic, but there's some noise happening there that I don't know if you can do anything about.
But I knew that I was away.
It has.
Thank you.
I don't know if I knew at that time that people out there had no idea who I was.
I'm a total and complete nobody.
So I decided that I would try to ride on the coattails of Art Bell.
So what I did was I started this stream on the internet called Georgenorisucks.com.
And once a week on that stream that had about 700 listeners every night, what I would do, and I'm talking concurrent listeners, if we were talking about, we're talking about Cume, as they call it in the radio industry, if we take a 15-minute segment of time and we ask ourselves how many people are listening in this 15-minute segment of time, the answer to that would be an average of about 700.
But if you spread that over the course of many, many hours, maybe seven to nine hours, 10 hours, we're talking about probably thousands of listeners who are listening to this stream.
And so what I did was I brilliantly, because I'm such a smart individual and I know how to route traffic, I'm so brilliant.
I have to tell the listening audience.
What I did was I called the stream Georgenorisucks.com.
And I, as a result of that, sent a lot of people to GeorgenoriSucks.com who otherwise would have no idea that that website exists.
And that's why you know of Bellgab today.
If it hadn't been for that, you would have no idea Bellgab exists.
Your life would probably be a lot different in a lot of ways.
In a lot of ways, it's sort of the butterfly effect.
You know, if a butterfly flaps its wings on one side of the planet, eventually it results in a hurricane on the other side of the planet.
I would like every person listening to this podcast right now to ask themselves, had I never discovered bellgab.com, had I never discovered GeorgeNorrySucks.com, had I never discovered this entire universe, what is it that my life would have been consumed by and comprised of other than this in that time.
Something else has to fill that time.
So my point is that even the smallest incursions into your life, they have an effect.
Whether I stop by you on the street and I say, oh, watch out for that hole on the sidewalk.
I don't want you to get hurt.
And then you shake my hand for saving you that experience.
Or it's you visiting a website called bellgab.com or georgenorysucks.com over the span of many years that has to have an effect on your life.
That has to have some alteration on the events that occur as you exist and wake up every morning.
And go ahead, Ezra.
I'm sorry.
Well, listen, here's the thing.
I started with George Norrie, dude.
And then I found Art Bell on YouTube on old videos.
And I was like, holy shit, this guy is fucking amazing.
And then I found out about Belgab on Dark Matter when Art Bell mentioned Belgab being vaguely lovable.
And that's how I became a Belgabber.
I think a lot of people had that experience.
There were a lot of people who otherwise would have had no idea.
I want to say something right now.
There were a lot of people who had a problem with the way Art Bell left Dark Matter.
There were a lot of people who had a problem with the way Art Bell left SiriusXM.
What was the name of that show?
That was Dark Matter.
The subsequent show, which was streamed only on the internet, was Midnight in the Desert, which is what Heather Wade is still trying to do.
That's a wordy show.
Which is what Heather Wade is still trying to coattail off of.
And by the way, that name, Midnight in the Desert, this just gives you some indication of the effect that Belgab has had on the public unconscious.
Midnight in the Desert.
Midnight in the Desert is a name that was suggested by someone named Steelbot on Belgab.com.
So anyone who wants to start another something.gab website, and I'm not aiming this at you, Azure.
Anyone who wants to start a something.gab website and pretend that they are some way, somehow, through some mechanism plugged into the collective unconscious, I just want you to know that Belgab, it's the real deal.
Bellgab is where it all started.
If you're listening to this podcast because of Art Bell, if you're using Belgab.com because of Art Bell, Bellgab is the originator.
Belgab, and despite my inebriated state, don't let that fool you.
Bellgab is the reason that Art Bell returned to broadcasting in 2013 on SiriusXM.
I entirely and full-throatedly believe that.
And there's nobody who's going to say anything that's going to convince me otherwise.
The reason Art Bell came back to broadcasting in 2013 was because of the enthusiasm and the encouragement that he encountered on bellgab.com in 2012 and 2013.
There's no way anyone is going to convince me otherwise.
And so you guys out there can start up as many .gab sites or gab.com websites as you like.
And again, Azure, I'm not directing this at you.
You and I are on the same plane in far more regards than not.
So I just want to put that out there.
But those of you who are pretending that Belgab is an afterthought, Belgab is the reason.
Belgab is the enthusiasm.
Belgab is the nucleus that encouraged Art Bell to return to broadcasting in 2013.
Had Belgab not existed, I believe that in 2013, Art Bell would have decided himself to be sufficiently satisfied and happy with his existence as a retired father and husband.
And he would never have returned to broadcasting, but it was because of what he read on bellgab.com that he returned to broadcasting in 2013 and subsequently to that 2015 when he did Midnight in the desert.
And there's despite the number of websites people would like to throw up using.
I'm sorry, I'm so intoxicated.
Using the name somethinggab.com, that can never be taken away from Belgab.
It's just something that you cannot take away from Belgab, despite whether the website changes its name to GeorgeNorrisucks.com, despite whether it leaves its name as Bellgab.com.
You cannot take that away from Belgab.
And that's not a credit to me.
That's not a credit to anybody.
It's simply, like a lot of websites, Eziree, like Facebook, Instagram, whatever social social networking website you want to name, a lot of them happen to have been around at the right time at the right place.
Bellgab was not the result of any brilliance on the part of anybody.
It simply happened to be around at the right time, at the right place, and it had the amount of predominance required to garner attention from the right people.
The right people in this case being Art Bell.
And had it not been for the existence of Bellgab.com, I swear to you, Ezure, I really mean this.
I don't think Art Bell would have returned to broadcasting in 2013.
I don't think he would have had the confidence.
I don't think he would have believed there was the listener base out there desirous of his return had Belgab not existed.
And also, again, in 2015, Belgab was instrumental in Art's return in 2015, which is why.
It's just sad.
Which is why when Art Bell returned to broadcasting in 2015 and did Midnight in the Desert and then left and Heather Waite took over, this is why I was so incensed at the idea that she wouldn't mention Belgab, not necessarily, not explicitly because of its relationship to Art Bell's return,
but also because of Belgab's relationship to her selection as the person to replace Art Bell.
And I want to make it clear, I don't suggest this as any kind of a commentary on my importance as the owner of Bellgab.com.
I know it sounds that way, but there's nothing factually that's inaccurate about what I'm saying.
Had it not been.
I'm going to stop repeating it.
Well, okay, you know what?
Maybe you're right.
Don't repeat it.
You may say about eight times.
Maybe you're right.
I was saying, I even say on my podcast all the time that it would never be, my board would never exist without MV.
I would never be doing a podcast without having listened to Envy and being inspired to do it.
But then I was so confused when you wouldn't allow anybody to talk about me on your board after that.
And you're not going to be able to do that.
It's only because, and you already know this.
I'm not going to say anything right now that you don't already know.
But it's only because, and I'm saying this for the listening audience.
The reason I wouldn't allow your board that you created after your banning on Belgab to be mentioned on Belgab is because I became aware as a result of things that people were saying to me that the board was being used as a mechanism to dox people like Jackstar, like Dr. MDMD, like Brig, like Brig.
Can I ask you something?
Yes.
From time to time, would it be okay if, you know, like I asked your advice on certain things to do with my forum, you know, over email?
I asked because you don't reply to my emails anymore.
Well, it's probably because at some point you sent me something that led me to say, I do not need to communicate with this person any longer.
I don't know what that may have been.
No, no, no, I never did anything.
Well, I'm just saying to you, Azure, I don't know what that may have been, but I'm going to go into, I'm going to go into my Gmail right now and I'm going to make a determination as to who's been blocked from sending me emails.
And I'm going to unblock you.
MV, can I ask you something completely unrelated?
Sure.
You're a Muslim.
Why do you drink?
Well, I'm only a Muslim on paper.
When I met my wife.
When I met my wife, she was studying English in college in Morocco.
And that was why she randomly sent out a lot of messages to people that she knew to be in English-speaking countries.
And she simply said, Hi, I'm Nabila from Morocco.
And I, for whatever reason, responded to that.
Normally, I wouldn't respond to that sort of thing because I don't want to wind up in a bathtub with my kidneys missing.
But for whatever reason, I responded to it, and the two of us started talking.
And I've never met someone that I just connected with.
Let me tell you this.
A lot of these, a lot of people who meet someone from a foreign country, they're looking for that sort of thing.
They're looking, but I never envisioned myself getting married ever because I didn't know anybody married that I was envious of.
Azure, do you know anybody that's married that you're envious of?
Not at all.
That's exactly right.
And I was the same way.
I didn't know anybody married that I felt envious of.
So I never envisioned myself getting married.
I never envisioned myself having children, which actually, as I think about it, is a rather bleak experience.
I know you don't have children.
It is.
I'm telling you, as someone who has two little girls who are thrilled to see me every time I come home from work, who well, that's true.
There's no doubt about the fact that people, there are certain people who shouldn't be parents, but I'm not necessarily convinced you're one of them.
Are you convinced?
Are you believing?
Do you believe that you're one of the people who should not be parents?
No, I do have concerns about my, you know, my stability, my mental stability.
Of course, everybody does.
I do of myself.
But as I listen to you and I interpret the things that you say, I don't come away from that saying this person should not be a parent.
I think you would be a sensitive, thoughtful, understanding, considerate parent.
I don't see mental normality as the prerequisite to being an appropriate parent, I guess.
Okay, well, look, I'm worried.
Most of the things come down to logistics, like I'm worried about money and not being able to focus on myself and be selfish and not have sleep.
But look, here's the thing.
I'm engaged.
And there's no woman that you get married to as a man that doesn't want children.
And whether I want children or not, it's going to come down to, oh, I'm going to leave you if you don't give me children, I guess.
So it's not really about what I want, I guess.
It's about the person I choose to spend my life with.
But most women want children.
Of course.
I don't know if I want children, but it's a question mark for me.
I just don't know how to answer it.
Let me tell you this.
I'm going to let people in on a little bit of the psychology of MV slash Liberace.
While you were talking just now, I did another shot.
So that might in some way color the commentary that I'm about to deliver.
But.
Muslim doing shots.
Well, I'll get to that.
Just pause.
I'll get to that.
But what I want to say is that we are all on this planet for such a limited time.
And I have always feared death.
Death is something that I can't quite.
I can't quite assess.
You know, I'm not sure what I think about it.
I'm not sure what I think about what it is that happens to us after we die.
I've gone on a lot of ghost hunts and I've captured audio of things that it seems to me should not be there.
I've captured audio of people saying hi to me who should not be there.
Audio of things that should not be there.
Suffice it to say, I've captured audio of things that lead me to believe there are planes or existences in this universe that we don't really know about.
That we're not entirely versed about.
I think that there is something.
There is something, but I don't know quite exactly what it is.
I can't put my finger on it, but you can listen to old art bell shows of Barbara Macbeth, is it?
I don't know.
I fucking don't know, but I know what you're talking about.
The GIS Society, they would go out and they would do ghost hunts and they would record these ghost voices and you could only come away from that saying to yourself, well, is there something else out there?
And I've done that myself.
I've done that myself.
I mean, you can listen to that radio show and you can say, ah, this is all bullshit.
These people are faking this stuff so that they can get on a nationally syndicated radio talk show.
But when you go out and you do it yourself and you acquire results, you achieve results.
And they're documentable.
I'm going to play.
In fact, you know, I'm glad this came up.
I'm going to play one of these for you.
This is something that I recorded probably.
This is something that I probably recorded, I think, in 2003.
And I was standing over the grave of my great-great-grandparents.
I don't remember the names.
Van Deven.
They were the first generation of Van Devens to come to the United States from the Netherlands.
And I believe they came to the United States in something on the order of like 1880.
And I wasn't saying anything, but I was recording video.
And as you're watching this video, you'll see that I really wish that I could show you the video because I think it would drive home the point for people more so than is the case just with audio.
And again, I apologize.
I'm entirely intoxicated.
I feel like I'm going to burp any second.
But As you're watching the video, what you'll see is I begin.
My sister and a friend of mine were about 150 feet to my left, and I'm standing over the graves of my great-great-grandparents.
And as I start to walk away from that grave without saying anything, this is what you hear.
And I'm going to play this for you, Azure.
I'd like to know if you understand what it is that's being said without me telling you first.
I think that's really important.
And here we go.
Let me ask you this first.
Do you hear a voice playing underneath all of that noise?
Yes.
Okay, I'm going to play it for you again.
Can I tell you what he's saying?
Well, let me tell you this again.
I'm standing over the grave and I start to walk away.
As you're watching the video, you see the video pan as I'm starting to walk away from this grave, and that's when that audio comes in.
What do you think, Azure?
It sounds like Michael or hello.
I can't be certain.
Okay, let me play it again.
And again, take into context the circumstances that I'm describing to you as I start to walk away from this grave.
Here we go.
You definitely hear a voice in there, right?
Yes, it's like, I don't know what it's saying.
It's unintelligible, but it sounds like it's beckoning you or somebody to come back to the grave.
I guess.
Okay.
Well, can I go ahead and tell you what I think you're saying?
I'm hesitant to do so because I don't want to taint what it is that your initial impression of this EVP or electronic voice phenomenon might be.
But let me play it one more time.
want you to listen one more time.
What do you think?
Go home?
Bingo.
That is exactly it.
Going home.
It's a question.
I'm starting to walk away from the grave.
And as I do so, the second as you're watching this video, the second my video starts to pan away from the grave and I start to walk over toward my sister and my friend who are about 150 feet to my left.
You hear this.
The hair is standing on the back of my neck, dude.
That's so fucking weird.
Going home.
Going home.
Oh, my God.
Going on.
So you surmise that we are trapped in a box for all eternity when we die.
I don't know what the sentience.
Oh, God.
I don't know.
I don't know what it means.
I can't.
I can't begin to express what it means.
But one of the things that always annoyed me about Brendan Macbeth and Barbara, What's Her Face, or maybe it's Brendan Barbara Macbeth and Brendan something?
The Ghost Investigator Society.
One of the things that always annoyed me about them appearing on Art Bell's show was them apprising the audience, the listening audience, of what it is they're about to hear before they hear it.
And the fact that you heard just now what it is that I have heard for years since 2004 without prompting you, without expressing to you what I think I've heard, that seems pretty conclusive to me.
If I'm standing over the graves of my great-great-grandparents who arrived in this country in 1880 and you heard the same thing that I heard without me telling you, I don't see a whole hell of a lot of deniability in that.
Do you?
Okay, so no, but there's two things here.
First of all, I don't recall them saying what the ghost said before they said it, but secondly, Michael, that is a fucking scary thing to go and willingly do.
Stand in the gravesite and record sound clips.
I've recorded sound for many years.
Well, let me try and explain this.
I've recorded my real life like pretty much 24-7 for years in hopes of catching a situation or a conversation that may be interesting that I may want to use in a broadcast down the line or repurpose it with music as a backing track.
I don't know.
I'm a little bit of a nutcase.
But in all my years of recording audio, I have never had an EVP being picked up in any of the audio that I've recorded.
Really?
So, really?
Really?
Not that I can, not that I can fathom.
So, but I don't go looking for it, though.
I mean, that's pretty creepy.
Like, why would you do that?
Well, the reason I did that was because for years I had listened to people calling into Art Bell's show with examples of electronic voice phenomena that they themselves had recorded.
And I wanted to know that your intention.
I wanted to know for myself.
I wanted to know there are other EVPs that I captured that I'm not going to play for you now simply because I don't have access to them.
But I remember standing over the grave of a Vietnam veteran who died, who for whatever service.
For what you silly goose.
I remember standing over the grave of a Vietnam veteran who, for whatever reason, decided not, or his family decided not to have him buried in what's the cemetery that everybody I don't know.
It begins with an A.
The cemetery that everybody has themselves interred in, if they are military service personnel.
I found this grave, and as I'm standing over it, a voice comes through the recording and just simply says, Hi.
It's so clear.
It's not me.
But what if it's psychic intention?
What if it's psychic intention that's creating that sound somehow?
You found a way to pick it up with a certain frequency.
See, that's it.
Very well could be, but even if it is psychic intention, I think it illustrates the fact that there is more to this universe than we understand.
There is more.
Are you religious?
I would love to be, but I'm not.
What, Christian?
Like, do you believe in Allah and peace be upon him?
Well, I will tell you this.
You believe going back on me marrying Nabila back in Morocco in 2007.
I would have signed any paper I had to sign in order to marry her.
It had nothing to do with my personal religious predispositions.
It was simply...
Now, I will tell you that I don't really view any religion, any particular religion, as being factually more credible than any other.
I mean, let's look at it this way.
Why is it that a religion that suggests a guy died and three days later rose from the grave and rose to heaven and everybody saw it happen?
Why is that more valid than a religion that suggests a seventh century sheepherder who couldn't even read, who was a child fucker, somehow received from God all of what is now regarded as the Quran, which does, which was ridiculous.
It is ridiculous!
I mean, I... I've only seen it through the lens of seriousness, and now you make it sound like such a joke.
Oh.
Okay, let's say, imagine a seventh century child fucker whose first wife at the age of nine was married to him.
By the way, her name, Hadija, is the messenger of God to all of humanity for the entirety of eternity.
I find that entirely and totally ridiculous and repugnant and absurd.
And I will be the first person to say this to my wife.
I will be the first person to say this to anybody that's willing to listen to me.
But the fact is that at the time my wife and I married, we married, as I say to you, in Morocco.
You have to be willing to accept Islam as your religious faith in order to marry somebody in a religious, in an Islamic society.
You said it was akin to buying a car.
Well, Well, let me say this.
I don't want to suggest that I was entirely lying as I engaged in this process because I want to tell you, and as I've said a few moments ago, I don't view any religion as necessarily being more correct than any other religion.
It's just that I view them as all being entirely fraudulent.
I view Christianity as being entirely fraudulent.
I view Islam as being entirely fraudulent.
I think, as Ray, that the things that are going to happen to us and be experienced by us as we die are entirely incongruent and incompatible with the things that we've been told are going to be happening to us when we die.
Well, Envy, this is where my mind goes when you say what you've just said.
If you read the book of Revelation or you read about Jesus and some of the things he did and some of the things he saw and spoke of and some of the things that Muhammad said happened to him, Gabriel meeting him in a cave and all this kind of thing.
A trademark symptom of the thing I've struggled with that I've developed schizophrenia is having visions and having a fixation with religious figures and processes and ideas.
And let me tell you, since I've got on my medication, all of those things I used to have and the hallucinations and my extreme religiosity disappeared completely.
So perhaps it was just those figures, Muhammad and Jesus and whoever else, Siddharth, the Buddha, perhaps these people were basically just sick and seeing things and they just needed a good doctor.
And all this religion and stuff has built it all up to be something more serious than it really is.
And those people were just nutcases.
I don't know.
I mean, it's quite possible.
Do you feel like...
What do you think?
Do you feel like your psychological predispositions have affected your perception of religion more so than would have been the case had you been a quote-unquote normal person?
Yes.
Yes.
And I was raised Catholic, by the way.
Most of my family was too.
But MV, does look, stop me if I'm getting too personal, but does your wife not think that drinking alcohol is a problem?
Does she see it as not a problem?
Because I remember on one of the gab passes quite a while back, you said that you and your wife were going out for drinks with friends.
And I wondered, MV is Muslim.
I don't know if there's different denominations.
I don't know all that much about Islam, but what is her view on alcohol and you drinking?
And are you both not really religious?
Was it just love that brought you together and that was the process you had to go through?
That was it.
Okay, that's it.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, I will say this to you in this way.
If My wife and I are able to go out with one another and consume alcohol, and there's someone to take adequate care of our children.
We're going to do so.
We're going to do something.
There's so many things I'm curious about you.
Do you have a preference for women, like non-white women?
Because I'm attracted to all sorts of women.
I do.
You do.
Do you know why?
I don't know why.
I was always predisposed toward being attracted to non-white women.
I don't understand why.
But I'm Africa.
Well, and where you live, I mean, it must have just been a field day.
I mean, you must have just been in.
There's a lot of racists here, man.
Well, I mean, maybe so, maybe not.
But that could be said about any locale.
I mean, good lord in heaven.
The only thing, I mean, if I were in your position, the only thing giving me qualms would be HIV.
Short of that, I would have been in heaven had I lived where you live.
Yeah, man, I don't know why, but it seems we have that in common.
I don't know if Art also had it, but I've always been heavily attracted to women who are not white.
I don't know what that's about.
I've dated several black women, and let me tell you this: a black woman, if she is with a man who is loyal to her and treats her well, will reciprocate with a level of care.
And it's just a reciprocity that doesn't exist with any other woman.
It's hard for me to articulate, but I mean, if you're with a black woman who you treat well and you treat as a human being, and I've dated a few black women, it's just I don't know what it is.
Maybe there's something cultural about it.
My wife is not what she herself would consider black or that I would consider black.
But I don't know what it is.
There's just something about women who are more melanin inclined.
There's something about them culturally.
If you are there for them and you treat them well and they there's just something go ahead, Es Ray.
Has your family, like, did they have any problems with it?
Look, stop me if I'm getting too personal, like I said, but was there any complications with your family not accepting who you were with or anything?
Or was it like you didn't give a shit because that's who you love?
Imagine this.
A friend of yours tells you, hey, I'm going to marry this girl.
I'm totally interested in and willing to and going to marry this girl from Northwest Africa.
Imagine what your family, or imagine what you yourself would say to that person.
Your instinctive reaction would be to tell that person they're insane.
Yeah, that you're gonna get scammed because everybody thinks Americans are welcome.
You're gonna wind up in a bathtub with your kidneys missing and things are not gonna go well from there.
And I believe me, I understand.
I mean, if any of my friends had come to me and said, hey, don't do this, I would have totally understand why it is they're saying that to me.
but I would have at the same time discounted everything that it is they're saying to me.
When you're in love with another human being, when you have spoken, I mean, again, I wasn't looking for this at the time it happened.
I never thought I would be married.
But when you're talking to somebody and you see something in their soul after a year of talking to that person without any sexual activity having occurred, that's the biggest mistake a lot of people make as they are pursuing the dating dynamic is that after a date or two, they're in the sack with one another.
And because they're in the sack with one another, particularly as it is that women perceive sexual relationships with men, when women start having sex with a man, women start, they stop asking questions.
They stop evaluating the situation.
Women view sex much differently than men do.
So if a woman starts having sex with a woman starts having sex with you, just understand that she has stopped asking questions about you.
And she has decided that you are the person that she would commit herself to.
There are vast, sweeping, undeniable differences between men and women.
I realize we're in the Me Too era where we like to presume that men and women are very different from one another.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I got that totally reversed.
We like to pretend that men and women are entirely the same as one another.
And there are no differences whatsoever between the two other than the fact that men have a penis and women have a vagina.
And other than that, there are no differences between the two whatsoever.
Well, I'm here to tell you, if you believe that, you have zero understanding of the human circumstance, the human condition.
If you believe there's no difference between women and men, you just do not understand the human experience and what it is that human that men and women experience as they interrelate with one another.
Go ahead, Ezra.
In all fairness, you've been out of the dating scene for a while, and you don't know what women are like now, man.
If they fuck somebody, that doesn't mean a thing.
That's just like shaking somebody's hand nowadays.
What do you presume that I've not had any opportunities come my way since I've been married?
No, I'm just saying that you go on the rant, the well-known right-wing rant about railing against people that think that women and men are interchangeable.
I sometimes feel like some of those things that you say are things that have been drummed in your head by the talk show host that you listen to, which I quit listening to.
And sometimes it overrides the conversation and you start saying.
I only listen to Glenn Beck.
I just want the listening audience to know that.
Just kidding.
Go ahead, Ed.
That's a fucking.
No.
You know what, MV?
On a completely unrelated, on a completely unrelated point, I just wanted to say that when you're asking me about my forum and stuff, my forum has 20 members.
And it's not anything special.
And I don't think that it's ever going to be.
It's not about making money.
It isn't designed to make me money, you know, like Felkey said.
And it's like the most insignificant spin-off board of Belgab.
And all it was was a place where I could go and continue posting in the same format because it was banned from Belgab.
Now that I'm back in on Belgab, I guess I just, you know, put the forum on ice and tell everybody to go fuck themselves because I'm back on my favorite board.
I'm reading the chat room here.
New username says, MV implying he's getting cross-play pussy.
I don't even know what that means.
I know so much about A.
I don't know, man.
I bet you MDMB can't stand the fact that I'm on with you.
Asuka Langley says, MV could be slaying Black Poon instead of entertaining us.
I want you to understand that that's correct.
I could be entirely and totally slaying Black Poon instead of sitting here on a Friday night.
Is it Friday night?
I think that's right.
It's Friday night entertaining you or at least attempting to entertain you on this Gabcast.
Well, the most significant relationship I've ever had is with a white woman.
So for all my protestations about not being into white women and being more into brown women, the best connection I ever had was with a white woman.
So I don't know.
South Africans are racist, man.
Even the black South Africans would have a negative perception of you?
Well, they think that white people just have money.
They think that we know how to solve every problem.
They think that we are superior to them because that's been drummed into their heads for so many years.
They actually behave that way.
I tell you what, I've got to take a break because I've got a P. I've got a P so bad, I can't begin to articulate it to you.
I've really got a P.
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