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	This is the Gabcast, a podcast about BellGab.com.
	Call the show now at 573-837-4948.
	That's 573-837-4948.
	Now, shut up, sit down, and listen to the damn show.
	Mm-hmm.
	It's the Gabcast.
	I'm Liberace.
	Also here, Richard Groiper.
	How you doing, buddy?
	It's Lit City.
	Suck my titties.
	And we got the Chefist.
	Hey, what's going on, everyone?
	Nicely.
	I think life kind of gave Chefist a kick in the balls tonight, so he's not in the greatest mood.
	He doesn't really want to say what happened, which is fine, but suffice it to say, you've had a frustrating night, Chefist.
	I hope this show cheers you up.
	Oh, Jesus.
	Thanks.
	I need it, but maybe we'll go into it in a little bit.
	It has to do with someone you've heard on the show before.
	Really?
	Yeah, I'm excited to get going here.
	Well, golly, I'm intrigued.
	Okay.
	Well, it's been a while since we've had a gab cast, and I hope you enjoyed that presentation of Desert Heat, a new Liberace production.
	Although it's not finished, there's still a lot of harmonies and stuff that have to be added into that.
	It's far from finished, but it's just that with the frequency with which we do these gabcasts, which is not very frequent, I'm kind of thinking, well, good grief.
	When are these people going to hear this thing, if at all?
	So you never know when the next gabcast is going to be.
	I should just go ahead and play it tonight.
	So I hope you enjoyed that.
	So, Groiper, I know Chefist kind of got a kick in the balls from life tonight.
	It's just been a rough day.
	You've got a lot of pent-up anger and frustration that you would like to release.
	You need to release.
	And so while I hope the show tonight brings Chefist in a somewhat better nude mood.
	By the end of the show, I hope that you have this opportunity and avail yourself of it to vent and release.
	Oh, I was going to say, I think this will make Chefist feel better knowing that I have a small penis.
	So that's the reason that I'm upset.
	I've been asking around, and I should have just asked you, shouldn't I?
	I didn't know you were that relaxed about.
	I'm the horse's dick, I guess.
	Well, speak to the horse's dick.
	Let's just say people are talking.
	If you want to be on the show tonight, the number to call is 573-837-4948.
	It's 573-837-4948.
	Please don't call in with your Skype account like a Skype to Skype call.
	Just call that phone number because it, to me, just gets too confusing when you've got 30,000 people all on Skype at the same time.
	Nobody can tell who the co-hosts are or the caller.
	It gets all messy and just horrible.
	So 573-837-4948.
	And I don't know how much attention the two of you have paid to this, but there's a new YouTube, I guess, show.
	It's live, and it's called After Midnight with Anthony.
	Isn't that the name of it?
	Yes.
	Yes, it is.
	Okay.
	And the host of this show is currently on a cross-country trek from, I think, the East Coast.
	Doesn't he live in one of the boroughs of New York?
	I think he hails from Nyack, New York.
	I could be wrong on that, but I'm not sure.
	But yes, he's not really cross-country.
	Yeah, I don't.
	Fuck, I don't know.
	I've never been there.
	But, I mean, New York.
	So he's on a trek and he's headed west.
	What's the purpose of this trek?
	Who's he going to go meet?
	Is he going to settle any scores?
	Is this some sort of a revenge trip?
	Is he setting something right?
	Is he protecting his honor?
	What's going on here?
	Well, it's a complicated issue.
	There's lots of layers.
	There's sex.
	There's rage.
	There's lust.
	I think I already said sex, so that covers lust.
	Well, I've seen that podcast of his with his beautifully large-breasted girlfriend making an appearance from time to time.
	She got big old titties.
	She's got really nice, big titties, doesn't she?
	She does.
	And that's good for him, but yet he claims to be a virgin, and I think he's almost 40 years of age.
	Stop it.
	Does he claim that?
	That's what he's claimed.
	They sleep in the same bed, but they have not coupled.
	And what's the explanation behind that?
	Because that defies all logic.
	Is he incapable of performing in some way?
	I haven't got into it.
	There would have to be a reason.
	I don't know him.
	I don't know him well enough to broach that subject.
	In fact, I don't know him at all.
	I've just been following it, and I'm not even sure why he took this journey.
	He's an interesting guy.
	I like him.
	But he was talking all kinds of gibberish on one night.
	I think it was a Friday, last Friday, and the next morning he was on his way to San Diego to drive his car right through someone's door.
	So, okay, so you're telling me the purpose of the trip is assault with a vehicle.
	Yes, vehicular assault.
	And, well, hold on there.
	Actually, just to drive through his door.
	So I don't know what that would be.
	Would that be vandalism?
	Well, that would be destruction of property for sure, at the very least.
	Maybe some form of attempted harm on another person.
	You have to assume as you crash through another man's door, hey, he could be swivering behind that door.
	You don't know.
	I see it as he would crash his BMW.
	Yes, he has a BMW through the door, and the car strikes a load-bearing either wall or pillar.
	And the fellow he's after, his name's Miller, and he likes to take baths.
	And he's in the bath, and the bath comes down, and he's killed in that manner.
	That's how I see this going down.
	Either a wall or pillar, though.
	You've narrowed it down to one of those two.
	Should I put in my two cents here?
	Put in your five, buddy.
	I think, and you know, I'm just spitballing here, but this sounds like a remake, a remake from the master and their original.
	And I'm going back to the road trip.
	Area 51.
	A vengeance of Area 51 drone going to Martinez to seek out and destroy George Sendafalke himself.
	This is just a remake.
	Is this Area 51 drone we're seeing here?
	I don't know, but the story sounds very similar.
	Area 51 drone traveled from where?
	Wasn't it Washington State?
	Yes, it was Washington.
	Well, I thought it was from Southern California, but that was Little Chris because George had two people traveling, and he had to go dark.
	One was Little Chris from the South, and I think you're right, Area 51 drone from the north, all coming down or up I-5 to destroy him in his apartment.
	But he had plenty of bug spray to spray in their eyes so he can push them down the stairs.
	But, you know, what are we seeing here?
	A repeat of something that's already been done.
	But you know what?
	The guy's at least videotaping himself.
	I think he was in his tidy whiteys in a motel room.
	That'd be great.
	He was.
	And let's not forget, let's make some distinguishments here.
	Our friend Anthony, he lives a lifestyle and that's called Lit City.
	And that's what he's all about.
	That's what he says constantly.
	Lit City.
	What does that mean?
	I don't know.
	Lit City suck my titties.
	That's all you need to know.
	That's what he says.
	It really says it all.
	I mean, Lit City suck my titties.
	Is that his catchphrase?
	Yeah.
	Here's a post from Anthony on the Heather Wade Gab group, I guess.
	He says, Is it weird that I have not experienced any sort of sexuality in my life?
	And even more so, I feel no interest.
	I wonder if that's a physiological problem of some sort or if it's a psychological thing.
	I mean, because we can all reach consensus in acknowledging that's not normal for a grown man.
	So what's the reason behind that?
	And I'm sorry.
	I mean, I have seen the stream with his very large-breasted girlfriend.
	I think she's just as cute as she can be.
	And I don't know.
	I don't know how you're laying in bed next to that and nothing's happening.
	Well, I'd like to field that one.
	And that's, I think it's simple.
	You have a man who lives the lifestyle of Lit City.
	What is that?
	I don't understand that.
	I don't know what that is.
	Am I getting old?
	L-I-T-C-I-T-Y, Lit City.
	That's what he's about.
	That's how he lives his life.
	What is Lit City?
	Only way to live.
	Oh, I just see a Jif.
	Okay, I see Kazuna's Jeff.
	See, this is what's nice about the only way to live.
	This is what's nice about doing the chat and the Belgab thread because I can see people's GIFs.
	I don't have to go to another website and, oh, there's the GIF.
	I'm viewing it now.
	And then go back to the chat.
	Yeah, he's crashing right through that wall.
	Boom.
	So, anyhow, let's break down the mentality, the psychology of Anthony's lit city and his lifestyle.
	And you were saying, why is he not having sex with the big-breasted woman?
	I think it's because he's so lit-city, he's so lit and city, and he always says, you know, suck my titties, that he psychologically blows his load before he can blow his load.
	It's science.
	You know, that is the second titty-sucking reference I've heard from you tonight.
	And as a result of that, I'd like to play this for you.
	If you guys would just indulge me for a moment, two websites are poised standing tiptoe to toe, and neither is willing to.
	You know what?
	I spoke over the beginning of that, so I'm going to do it again.
	I'm sorry.
	Two websites are poised standing tiptoe to toe, and neither is willing to blink.
	Their champion's bowels are surely a glow.
	You can smell the familiar stink.
	The older of them is a cesspool of slime, the younger the child of the first.
	Both born from the rage of an earlier time, we can't say of them which is worst.
	To visit the first, you're advised to protect your goods because you might catch a virus.
	While surfing from work, we're inclined to expect a call to HR just to fire us.
	To visit the seconds, a trip back to school, but no need to mind your carotid.
	Their hall monitors prance around like they're cool, and one crazy move gets you swatted.
	Just why we hang out there, we can't seem to say.
	Perhaps it is sentiment's flame.
	We dread the remorse of just one went away, though which one we don't care to name.
	You might say that both are a bit of a douche, and something they done might have stung ya.
	But for those of us with a taste for the louch, you dance with a fellow that brung ya.
	So step to your marks with your buckets of pee to fight sense, compunction, or pity.
	Ambiguous outcomes, a sure guarantee, but somebody's sucking my titty.
	That's Belgab.
	That's Belgab poet laureate K-Dub.
	What a voice on him.
	What a set of pipes.
	You know what?
	He really should be doing my weather forecast on Classic KYMO or on the local TV station.
	One of the two.
	Yeah, the stock report.
	So if you want to call into the show tonight, 573-837-4948.
	I heard through the grapevine that Anthony would like to do a gad cast with me.
	I would be fine with that.
	If he ever wants to do a show with me, I think it'd be great.
	I've seen a couple.
	I've seen a little bit of his YouTube stuff.
	I mean, he's different.
	That much I can say for sure.
	He's interesting.
	I mean, he's making a cross-country trip for the entertainment benefit of all of you.
	That's far more than I've ever done for any of you for the purposes of at least entertaining you.
	So just from that standpoint alone, he's got to be given some credit.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	I'm just going to throw this out there.
	For any of you crime drama, real crime drama enthusiasts, you know that there are the segments of sociopaths like a Ted Bundy and different other ones that the only way they were able to obtain an erection and have ejaculation was knowing that they were hurting and then eventually murdering the person they were having sex with.
	I'll leave that there with a pin in it.
	So are you saying that Anthony could possibly be one of those people?
	Well, possibility is always in the realm of reality.
	So I don't know.
	Why could he not naturally be attracted to a man, a woman, someone in between, but have no attraction to anything?
	The only thing that comes to mind were those people like a Ted Bundy and many others who claimed the only way they could become erect and have an orgasm was through inflicting pain, torturing, and then ultimately murdering the person that they were with.
	You know something?
	I knew this kid from about the age of seven, and we kind of stopped being friends at about the age of 11 or so.
	And after I stopped being friends with him, I heard from someone who was still associating with him that this former friend of mine was torturing animals.
	It was just like something he was making a thing of, apparently.
	Hey, it's a hoot.
	You know what?
	We're having a little animal torture shindig at my place Thursday night.
	No, not Friday, Thursday.
	So if you want to come, love to see you.
	It'll be fun.
	And when I heard that, it really struck me.
	And so for years after that, I made it a point to occasionally, and via whatever mechanism I could, sort of check in on him.
	Maybe ask someone who knows him, hey, have you heard about this person?
	Have you heard anything?
	What's he kind of up to?
	Because I swear to you, I always expected I was going to hear, yeah, this person, yeah.
	They found 30 bodies under his house.
	He was working for the local Democratic Party.
	Everybody thought he was so harmless, and they turned out to find he had all these bodies under the crawl space.
	And next thing you know, it's really surprised, though.
	Are we really surprised at the Democrats?
	Well, that was actually a John Wayne Gacy reference because that's actually true.
	He was working for the local Democratic Party up in Chicago.
	Not surprised at all.
	I thought that was par for the course.
	Oh, my God.
	That is so overtly political.
	It's not what this show is supposed to be.
	I can't listen.
	I'm moving on.
	Ted Bundy was a Republican and worked very much in the Republican Party.
	So once again, behaviors are not associated with a political party.
	It really is about their access to the people they're attracted to, just like pedophiles will try to find any type of career that gives them access to children the same way here.
	If it can give them access, that's the type of job that they're attracted to.
	I think the only clear solution is to outlaw jobs that put people in close proximity to children.
	Thoughts?
	Lord of the flies.
	Just like if you go to school, there won't be a teacher there.
	Yeah, you can take your kid to daycare.
	They will be under a roof and within the confines of some walls, but adults, no.
	Maybe there'll be a 12-year-old there, though, that could help a little bit.
	And then the Purdue Chicken Company becomes the biggest daycare in the country.
	They're just in these pens.
	Your kid winds up being taken far better care of at the Mexican border filing for asylum than going to the Jack and Jill daycare.
	It wouldn't be a pretty picture.
	So I'm not sure that I catch this vibe from Anthony that he's actually someone to be necessarily concerned with.
	But then again, you can't know that about anybody.
	But I can tell you, though, I can tell you this as my professional opinion, trusted by a handful of people.
	That would work just the same as a handful.
	It's just as good, just as relevant.
	That we're talking about politics, and I think it's fair to say Anthony subscribes to the politics of Lit City.
	And his lifestyle.
	But that's just his lifestyle.
	That's how he lives.
	I mean, he says lit city every minute of every day.
	Does he?
	And that keeps him going.
	So like if I tune into his YouTube live streaming show, I'm going to repeatedly hear the term lit city.
	Lit city.
	Yep.
	Lit city.
	He'll say it like he'll verbally say it.
	Yep.
	He'll say lit city.
	Give me a context.
	Like in what situation would he suddenly go, lit city, baby?
	So he'll be driving his car, you know, like 95 miles down the wrong side of the road, and he'll bust out of the camera and say, lit city.
	And then he'll correct and, you know, drive the speed limit and go on his way.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Every situation.
	That's how he lives.
	Well, I think I'm going to have to suffice it to say that I wish Anthony the best of luck on his trek.
	I hope no violence comes of the trip.
	I certainly do acknowledge there appears to be a lot of concerns rolling going on around this whole situation.
	But is that anything new?
	No, I think that's the second half of this is you have, you know, you have the guy who's probably unstable.
	I don't know.
	Who am I to say?
	I'm not him.
	I'm not his doctor.
	But yeah, so you have people that are, you know, whining and complaining about people making random comments on YouTube.
	And Anthony, he's going to do what he's going to do.
	He doesn't listen to anyone but himself and Lit City.
	And that's his motivation.
	So is Lit City a movie?
	No.
	Is it a game?
	It's just a phrase.
	It's just a phrase and a lifestyle choice.
	Really?
	I mean, like, is this, is my age starting to impact my understanding of pop culture?
	Is that how?
	It sounds like Windy City Heat.
	Remember that movie?
	Yeah, I do.
	See, now that's something more back in my time.
	And the jitterbugs.
	It's like doing drugs, but you're not doing drugs.
	As long as you keep saying lit city, you're good to go.
	I don't think I like this lifestyle.
	Listen, guys, we're going to get high, but we're not going to get high.
	So gather around.
	There's plenty of jerky for everybody.
	And there's lemonade in the back.
	I don't know about this lifestyle.
	Lit City.
	I'm going to have to look into this.
	Clearly, this is something that is beyond the scope of my perception of pop culture and where the culture has evolved or devolved to, depending upon your perspective.
	I think that this is a situation where my age is really starting to reveal itself.
	I'm starting to be disconnected from the pulse of things that I used to have my finger right smack dab on.
	If I could explain it in a way, I would say lit city means everything and nothing.
	I think that the 2016 election cycle was my last chance to observe and fully understand any sort of meme culture.
	And now that that is over with, I have now entered a phase of my life where that'll be the last time I'm really in on whatever the joke happens to be.
	I'm not one of the cool kids anymore.
	How do you categorize all those pictures of Heather when she was a sexual worker?
	How do I categorize them?
	Clit City.
	Isn't there one picture where it's been questionable as to whether you actually can see her anus or not?
	Oh, Jesus Christ.
	And sorry if anyone thinks it makes me an asshole to talk about this, but I didn't put those photos out there.
	It's not what you want to think about.
	The fact you would pay for that.
	Jesus Christ.
	Was it?
	Was what?
	Was it bleached?
	Oh.
	Well, see, I would think probably not because there's where the ambiguity came in.
	I think that if it were bleached, it would have been far better defined and it would have been far less subject to tricks of lighting and shadow and perspective.
	I think that the darkness of it is what lended to the ambiguity as to whether it was actually presenting itself or not.
	Either it's dark or it wasn't being shown.
	One of the two.
	Oh my God.
	Because now we're getting into ethnicity.
	No, we're just talking about someone having a dark asshole.
	They could be white, totally white.
	We'll go to Poland right now.
	I think I can guarantee you.
	You give me 15 minutes, I'll find a woman with a dark asshole.
	Comments?
	Yeah, but also have dark labia and anuses.
	Yeah, that is interesting to know.
	I would like to find out if 23andMe has any sort of an outline of your dark.
	You are highly predisposed to a dark asshole.
	Oh, and by the way, you're one-third Cherokee.
	Which makes you much better than Elizabeth Warren, who has the whitest asshole in history.
	That didn't really work out too well for her.
	It turned out that she was 1024th, was it?
	And it wasn't even like an American Indian tribe.
	It was some mesquite Mexican.
	No, I have more Neanderthal DNA than she has Native American DNA.
	What does that mean?
	That's why just six months ago, we created the more Neanderthal DNA than Native American DNA award.
	We're going to make Belgabath.
	It was going to be handed out during the Belgabathon that never happened because the forum shut down.
	Listen, you are far more of a Neanderthal than anyone else is a Native American.
	That's why you deserve that.
	No, you deserve this award.
	You deserve it.
	Can I explain the Neanderthal thing or no?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Nothing's off limits.
	So I did the 23andMe and knew pretty much from my family history, we were all from Northwest Europe, specifically England and Germany.
	I knew that.
	But there are all these rumors.
	Oh, there was, you know, someone who had something with a Cherokee and whatever.
	So I did it.
	No, there's no Cherokee.
	No, there's none of that.
	But what it did confirm is that the average European has about, it's like a 0.2% Neanderthal, and I'm 0.4% Neanderthal.
	So that's actually something that can be measured.
	I thought you were joking.
	You actually can measure your Neanderthal levels.
	Both Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon can reproduce.
	And so you had offspring that can reproduce, not like a horse and a mule or a horse and a jackass, and then they produce a mule that is sterile.
	No, they can actually reproduce.
	And remember, Neanderthals were only in Europe.
	It's the only continent Neanderthals were on.
	They were not in Africa.
	They were not in Asia, nowhere else.
	Just the New World, they were only in Europe.
	So the percent of Neanderthal DNA determines basically what percent of your DNA comes from Europe.
	And yeah, I'm as white as white can be, but yeah, that's it.
	Yeah, that's if you're really European, you have, you know, 0.2 or more Neanderthal DNA, and that's the way it goes.
	So really, when it comes to repairing the social ills of today, and namely, I'm talking about white privilege, what we really need to be addressing is Neanderthal privilege.
	I agree.
	I think until we start thinking of it in that context, we're not really getting to the core of the issue, and we are really not particularly committed to this as an issue.
	Stop ridiculing me because of my back hair.
	You have a prominent brow or forehead.
	I do.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	So I'm very European then.
	I'm very Neanderthal, aren't I?
	Sounds very Turkish to me, but I could be wrong.
	Well, as I pointed out earlier, we did have quite a bit of terroristic music playing in this home moments ago.
	Okay, if you want to call the show, 573-837-4948.
	So, Groiper, what is the tension that you were hoping to release on the show tonight?
	What is it that you feel are scores that require settling on this evening?
	Mainly that I can think of right off the top of my head would be probably the concern trolling.
	And I just think it's funny that some, well, you know, some folks over at another place.
	Well, now you're flaking out on me here.
	You don't even want to name the website or the people now.
	I thought you were really going to come in.
	The other thing Have made it their mission to, I don't really know what they're up to, but they seem to have latched on to Anthony's little trip and claim to want him to seek help, but yet no one is offering him help in the YouTube chats.
	But yet we're the bad people for we're the orange man bad for suggesting random things to a guy that is off his rocker.
	Can I interject just real quick?
	The name of the other site is Smell Blab.
	So we will call them Smell Blab.
	Hmm.
	I don't know.
	I think you can just call him Elgab.
	It's okay.
	You don't have to do any of that.
	Moving along.
	Come on, George would call him that.
	That's okay.
	We're not that lacking in confidence that we can't even say the name.
	Come on.
	Let's not be silly.
	Saying any name.
	Well, I don't know.
	There's individuals over there.
	Let's go with, if you want names, I would say the craftiest one would be Dynamo Hum.
	So you think she's a total concern troll?
	I wouldn't say totally no, but it was interesting during this situation.
	Yes, I would say so.
	During Heather's, it's a little different because her mental state, you know, wasn't quite as erratic till the end.
	But this fellow was clearly, you know, well, you know, Looney.
	Well, there was an article posted about him on El Gab as well from, I think, 2012, which suggested he'd had some sort of an interaction with law enforcement that would be highly unusual.
	At least they were presenting it as if it were him, about him.
	And to my understanding, it is, isn't it?
	I believe so.
	I haven't fact-checked it, but let's just say it is him.
	And it had to do with police officers arresting him and him having a weapon, but it turned out to be like an airsoft gun or a paintball gun, one of the two things.
	But he didn't.
	I look at it as it, if he was that insane, he would have got himself shot right then and there.
	But he didn't.
	So clearly he wants to live.
	And yes, he says random off-the-wall stuff.
	I think he's a good guy.
	I mean, I don't know 100%.
	I'm not him, but I think he has issues, clearly.
	But I don't think he was so, you know, crazy that he was being portrayed as over there that, you know, he was going to literally start killing people like they were suggesting.
	By the way, going back on something, hold on.
	Walks at night says, I hope it remains a mystery forever.
	Best outcome is Area 51 drone equals open lines Jerry equals six week tenure equals Abraham or Abram.
	Was it Abram or Abraham?
	I think it was Abram.
	Remember that Ginger guy.
	Abram.
	Abram.
	Okay, yeah, remember that Ginger guy that used to occasionally show up at George's apartment and appear in his YouTube videos with him?
	Best ever.
	Yes, Abram.
	Abram.
	That's a little pretentious, isn't it?
	No, no, not Abram.
	I'm Abram.
	Thank you.
	George would mispronounce it every time, which was even funnier.
	How can you?
	My name's Abram.
	Okay, Abram.
	Really?
	He did that?
	Right in front of him.
	How would you settle on Abram, though?
	It's such an unnatural way to.
	This guy is either Area 51 drone or Open Lines Jerry.
	This guy was one of them.
	And he was just fucking in person.
	You really believe that, huh?
	You really believe that he was one of those people because it makes sense.
	It's the most plausible thing.
	It's the most plausible explanation because why would some young dude from Martinez just be hanging out at George Cinda's apartment otherwise?
	Police call it motive.
	You get that's how you build a case to execute someone by the state is motive.
	Who the fuck would be there?
	Being there in itself could be the execution.
	We sentence you to a two-hour visit to Cinda's apartment.
	Oh, no, God, no.
	Don't do that.
	No!
	Oh, my God.
	Boy, my mic processor took a shit there when I started screaming.
	I tell you what, I have this DBX mic processor.
	I'm not too happy with it.
	Don't buy a DBX.
	Or if you do get a DBX, the 286, buy the original 286, not the 286S that I have.
	This public service announcement brought to you by Van Diven Enterprises.
	You have a Commodore 64 microphone.
	No, I built this microphone.
	It's the most amazing microphone ever.
	Built a microphone.
	You were like, well, soldering copper wires.
	Don't you remember me going on and on about that a few years ago?
	I don't know.
	About how I built a microphone, and like every time I did a gap cast, I would find some way to mention it.
	By the way, speaking of Evelyn, did you know I built this microphone?
	I just wanted to put that, you know, I really was quite proud of myself.
	No, that's cool, though.
	That is cool.
	You know, you built your own microphone.
	I did.
	If you go to microphoneparts.com, you can, it's microphone-parts.com.
	And you can buy like a microphone shell for an MXL 990 on eBay for maybe $10, just some crap mic that doesn't work.
	Buy the kit from microphone-parts.com, install it, follow all the directions, and you'll have something that's on par with a $2,000 Neumann U86 AI, which, if you don't know anything about that microphone, just suffice it to say, $2,000 or $3,000 easily.
	And it's kind of one of the gold standards as microphones go.
	But for like, after it's all said and done, maybe $250 or $300, you could have something that competes with that.
	And how long have you had it?
	Since 2014, I think.
	Okay, shit.
	Good.
	It's holding up.
	Yeah, it's holding up.
	But anyway, yeah, that would be hilarious if those Area 51 Open Lines, Jerry, six-week tenure, and Abram were all the same people.
	I definitely think Abram.
	Abram.
	Abram.
	No, I'm not doing that.
	I'm sorry.
	No, Abram.
	Abram.
	I definitely think he's one of those people.
	He looked kind of Amish.
	He had that weird no-mustache beard, didn't he?
	And Jerome definitely hates the Amish.
	Why?
	Well, there was about a two-month.
	This was.
	Hold on just a second.
	Hold on just a second.
	Hold that thought, Chefus, because I think really it's time that we do this.
	This is Jim Rockford.
	Don't leave your name and message.
	I'll get back to you.
	How do you think all this is affecting me?
	You know, I had a life before all this happened.
	I had a job and I had a trajectory for my life before all this happened.
	I really wish somebody would have told me that this was a part of the deal.
	Nobody told me.
	I don't have a choice.
	I got to care for somebody, get involved into somebody's life, change my living situation, and then they decide they're going to check out.
	You know how old school I am?
	I saw that it was the Martinez Tonight intro, and I thought for sure this has something to do with Cinda.
	So I thought, well, we really ought to play this before we start going into a whole Cinder riff here.
	My living situation, and then they decide they're going to check out.
	And I'm just left here while everybody turns their back on me and I'm out here a stranger in a strange land.
	Do I know any...
	Martinez Tonight.
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	And now, your host on Martinez Tonight, Shafi!
	Thank you, Ray.
	No, that was great.
	Thanks for playing that.
	I missed that theme.
	It's a good intro.
	I got called out on it on YouTube, of course.
	They let me keep a few steps.
	Oh, they clipped your wings for playing that?
	They let me keep a little bit of it, though.
	Pretty amazing that they let me keep the first, but the most important parts they let me keep.
	So that was all right.
	I can't tell you how many times people have said, you know, if you do a gabcast, what you really need to do is just put it on YouTube.
	No, I'm never going to do that.
	Yeah.
	It is.
	I mean, because, I mean, you've got people having their channels terminated for content that they posted and that's been up and publicly viewable on YouTube for years.
	Oh, yeah.
	And then somewhere into the long distant future, YouTube and the people running this cesspit of a company will decide that their culture mandates that they react to stimuli A, where previously they didn't react to stimuli A.
	And next thing you know, a video that you posted seven years ago is getting your account taken down.
	And I can't tell you how many people I've seen and heard about who've been doing podcasts, but they're trying to do this YouTube thing and save themselves some steps because you save yourself having to worry about hosting it.
	You save yourself a lot of bandwidth when it comes to streaming video infrastructure.
	You do save yourself a lot of headache by doing that, but then you're totally beholden to the decisions, the arbitrary decisions that somebody else makes if you're going to do anything like that on YouTube.
	So, no, I'm never going to do that.
	I think the best way to do it is the way we've always done it.
	You just go to Ufoship.com and all the podcasts are available and there for you if you want to pull them down, and nobody's going to have any of them removed short of like, my domain name getting taken away from me, which I guess you know even in that regard, there's no guarantee as you move forward.
	Well, you know it, it I am gonna do more Martinez tonight, and it's coming up just to let everyone know, and I got some more info later on in the show about that little dropping, a little teaser about that.
	Martinez Tonight hosted by Chefist I love you Kevin, playing in the background to get you an extra long cut.
	And now Martinez Tonight Tonight brought to you by Barbasol.
	Also presented to you by the Corporation for Pub Hebe.
	I was going to say the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
	I just couldn't spit it out.
	Now you're going to make me hire you to do the voice work on the Instagram.
	All right.
	It's classic.
	I almost said it's classic KYMO.
	It's like you have no idea what that sears into your brain to be doing something like that nightly.
	And you repeat the same things again and again and again, and you hear it in your sleep.
	It's nuts.
	You know what?
	My daughter, I take her to school every morning, and we have like a 40-minute car drive to get her to her school.
	And we talk a lot about stuff.
	So I was telling her about you.
	And she was asking about, Dad, is this radio station live or is it recorded?
	I said, well, honey, a lot of times it's very difficult to understand or know if a station is live or recorded because they can do a weather report.
	This is your weather report for blah, blah, blah date.
	But they may have recorded it yesterday.
	And you don't know.
	I mean, there's, and then that's why you rarely hear a DJ say it's this day and this date.
	Or read the temperature.
	But I'm so confident in weather forecasting models that what I do is I look up the predicted temperature on an hourly basis, and that's the temperature I read.
	That's a good idea.
	Is that even legal?
	I don't know.
	It seems like it could be a complaint-worthy thing to the FCC.
	I just don't know.
	No, but I'd love to hear, you know, and I listen to your show.
	Because I get up pretty early, but out here, you know, the show's over.
	I'm on the West Coast, so I'm on Pacific Time now.
	4 a.m. I'm done.
	Yeah, 4 a.m., right.
	But yeah, the stock report is great.
	Well, that's all after I'm off.
	You're talking about the stock.
	That's all after I'm off.
	I don't do any of that stuff.
	The stock report or whatever.
	None of that's me.
	No, I know, but it's, but you mentioned it.
	Oh, so-and-so has the stock report at 8 a.m. or whatever it is.
	Yeah, sometimes it's more of a show than others.
	Sometimes I'm really happy to be doing it, and sometimes it's a bit of an encumbrance, you know, just because you got to do it every day.
	No matter what, you got to do it.
	There's just no choice.
	And sometimes you don't feel like it.
	And do you have to get all those clips in by like 11 at night, or what is it?
	Um...
	Well, no, my really, I just have to have it.
	I have to have the first one recorded before the first one actually plays.
	So, as and it's midnight to six, so as long as, and he's talking about this radio station that I do something on every night, overnight, midnight to six.
	It's classic KYMO.
	If you go to TuneIn, you can just search for KYMO and you'll find it.
	But sometimes it's more of a show than others, you know.
	Sometimes I don't really feel like being very talkative or putting in much effort.
	And then other times I just don't want to shut up.
	Your music mix is great.
	I really enjoy it.
	You'd be surprised about how much of that I actually adjust.
	Like any share that comes up during my shift, gone, removed.
	I don't play share.
	I'm not playing share.
	If any Carly Simon comes up, if I see it, I'll rip it right out.
	Write the fuck out like a tumor.
	There are a few others, but it's fun, but it's not my, I'm not, it's not the work I'm proudest of.
	I'll say that.
	You know, it's just talking up tunes.
	No, but I love hearing you on the radio because I was telling you because people don't know, but you and I are from the same part of the country.
	I'm from about 80 miles north on the Illinois side of the Mississippi River.
	And so, you know, of course, I'm very familiar with Cape Girardo and the area on the Missouri side.
	I'm from the Illinois side.
	And so that, what people don't understand is the demarcation between W and K and radio.
	So W doesn't stand for West.
	Actually, W is east of the Mississippi River and K is everything west of the Mississippi River.
	That's right.
	Yeah, I wonder what the, I guess the thought process behind that was we just simply won't have enough call letters if they all start with something.
	So we got to just figure something out here.
	The Mississippi River seemed as good a boundary as any.
	Oh, exactly, which is interesting.
	And I never understood why Art always made the Rockies the demarcation.
	I thought the demarcation should have been the Mississippi River.
	Well, I don't know.
	As someone who lives around the Mississippi River, it's a bit of a bore.
	You go down there, you look at it, oh, hey, it's a river.
	And you just stare at it thinking, I wonder how much shit, I wonder how much liquid fecal matter from Chicago I'm staring at right now.
	I'd really like to know.
	But we grew up next to it.
	And it's just like here.
	I live in Arizona and have for almost 20 years.
	The people who live here don't give a shit about the Grand Canyon.
	Because they live here.
	East.
	It's the hole in the ground.
	Who gives a shit?
	East of the Rockies does not conjure, for me, images of liquid shit flowing in a body of water in front of me the same way east of the Mississippi would.
	It just doesn't.
	The Mississippi is a disgusting river.
	I would never eat anything out of it.
	It's mercury-infested.
	It's full of sewage.
	I remember a few years ago, what was it, the Dave Matthews band was up in Chicago, and they pulled their bus over.
	And, oh, hey, guess what?
	We've got about 55 gallons of liquid shit.
	We need to get off of here.
	So they just pulled right over, opened a hatch, and dump it into a creek.
	Well, you know where that stuff goes?
	Straight into the Mississippi.
	We're just talking about one tour bus of one mediocre band.
	So imagine to take into account the entire population of Metro Chicago and how much liquid shit is winding its way eventually into the Mississippi.
	It's just...
	I was in a boat one time on the Mississippi with somebody and just a tiny little bit of spatter from the engines spinning got on my arm.
	It was like a little tiny, the size of a maybe a 16th of an inch, just a little driplet of water.
	And I felt so disgusted by that.
	I just thought, how many people, the shit of how many people is currently contained in that little droplet that just landed on my arm?
	And I'll actually see people fishing out of that thing.
	I just, what's wrong with you?
	Go to Walmart.
	Buy some fish.
	What are you doing?
	At least the fish you're going to buy at Walmart come out of some sort of a farm pond and a contained environment that's, you know, it's a lined pool.
	It's fresh water.
	Probably was originally tap and then treated.
	And it's lead-free.
	It's mercury-free.
	Oh, but it's a store-bought fish.
	And that's somehow worse?
	I don't understand that.
	Fishing out of the Mississippi.
	Ugh.
	Make me gag.
	So yeah, I have no sense of romanticism as it relates to the Mississippi.
	I think Art had his finger on the pulse of something when he decided upon west of the Rockies.
	I think he knew what he was doing, at least from my perspective.
	But you're always more fascinated by whatever it is that you have the least exposure to.
	So someone in the Rockies might be like, yeah, man, hell yeah, Huck Finn, that Mississippi River.
	Shit, that's a big river.
	Second in the world only to the Nile.
	Why wouldn't you want to mention that?
	I'd love to live next to the Mississippi River.
	I'd be out there kayaking.
	I'd be out there pontooning.
	No, you wouldn't.
	Well, do you know what we call the Colorado River where we're from?
	A creek.
	Why?
	I mean, is it visually that small?
	At least where you live?
	No, it's small the whole way.
	Is it really?
	Yeah.
	Well, that river is responsible for supplying water effectively to all of the Southwest, right, in Southern California.
	Right, because it doesn't rain here.
	So that's the only water you got.
	You think that's true?
	You think that's true, what Trump was saying, that they're pumping water out of the Colorado River and straight into the Pacific Ocean rather than let it continue downstream to be used?
	Yes, yes, they do that in California.
	Why?
	Water laws are absolutely insane because you can get elected if you want to save a minnow or a frog or whatever.
	You can get elected if you just have that platform.
	And it's pretty amazing.
	We have a really good water conservation program here in Arizona.
	We store a lot of water in our aquifers, the underground aquifers, and we can measure how much water is in the aquifers.
	And we do that because, well, it's freaking Arizona.
	You can have a big, you know, a drought for us is instead of our annual 11 inches of water a year, we only get eight, right?
	So compared to the Midwest, that's insignificant.
	Think of all the water you get every year in the Midwest on average.
	It's fucking, I don't know, 48 inches or something like that.
	So for us, three or four inches under our 11 or 12 inch average is a big problem.
	So we have to store it in aquifers and then we pump and water fields and drinking water and cattle and whatnot.
	California doesn't have any system of aquifers.
	They have no system of storing water.
	They buy most of their water from us because we have a system.
	And what's pathetic is if you look at California, their climate's not a lot different than Arizona.
	But if you go up and down the coast, every yard is landscaped, uses thousands of gallons of fresh water a year for their landscaping.
	It is absolutely ridiculous what California does with their water.
	And here in Arizona, guess what?
	The City does a lot of stupid ass shit.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, but that is just an example of the illogical nature of California.
	They want to tell everyone else about the environment, yet they waste millions and millions of gallons of water a year on their landscaping.
	Here in Arizona, we have rocks in our yard.
	That's what we do.
	We have rocks pretty much everywhere.
	No one has grass.
	No one has huge, lush gardens in their front and backyard.
	They do in California on the coast.
	And yeah, it's just pure hypocrisy, lunacy.
	Three-quarters of California really is desert, is it not?
	Correct.
	That's what the coast looks like.
	People have simply utilized natural resources to slowly whittle that away and fool nature into presenting something other than what it actually is.
	I mean, you cut that Colorado River off, and I guess pretty quickly you're going to find out what a desert Southern California really is.
	That's right.
	That's why they're trying to pass laws in California, federal laws, that would grant them access to the water we save in our aquifers that we've invested billions of works with.
	Correct.
	That we've invested.
	Who's pushing that federal law?
	Oh, you go out on the internet and you'll see.
	Of course, every California politician.
	I kind of wonder why that's a problem.
	I mean, was it just last year they had so much water that they were about to have a dam collapse and take out an entire town?
	It's like that state so totally can't get its shit together that it either has too much water or too little, but there's never anything in between, it seems.
	And I will tell you this.
	I am of the George Carlin school of thought that a faraway disaster is a fun thing.
	And I remember watching, and I'm going to confess something that most people would never confess, but they really were thinking it.
	As I was watching that dam crisis with that thing just slowly beginning to chip away and it was going to be a big fat disaster.
	I was so cheering for that thing to come down because everybody had been evacuated and it was just a huge F you if it had collapsed to so many people that at the time I felt deserved it.
	First and foremost, the insurance companies who would have been responsible for paying all the claims that would be filed after such an event.
	I'd love seeing them take it on the chin.
	The politicians of the state of California would get the blame.
	They'd take it on the chin.
	The state that was responsible in large part for Hillary Clinton winning the popular vote, on that level, they'd take it on the chin.
	There were just so many levels on which it felt good to me.
	I'm revealing myself to be a terrible person here, I know.
	I'm just being honest as to what my emotions about it were.
	I literally was watching that dam, tuning into the live feeds, and hoping that I was going to see some sort of action that day.
	And, you know, you just watch it.
	Well, do you know what type of dam that was?
	Well, I don't.
	It was an earthen dam.
	There's another term for earthen dam.
	It's called a pile of dirt.
	Well, I think there was a little bit more to it than that, though.
	They're always going to fail.
	It's just like we called them levees.
	We call them levees on the Mississippi River.
	It's just a big pile of dirt.
	I think there was more than that to it, though.
	Didn't it have, like...
	Oh, it had some cement, but it was, you know...
	So, okay, you have 90% of it a pile of dirt, and you have one spillway made of cement.
	Yeah, that's one spillway.
	That's not the dam.
	That one spillway was the problem because the soil under that spillway was eroding, and the lake was so full that they couldn't divert the water anywhere else, so they had to send it out the spillway.
	But the more they sent out the spillway, the more dirt eroded, and it was just slowly working its way up the hill toward the actual dam itself.
	I was warned about that for decades.
	I just, on an hourly basis, I could not contain myself.
	I just constantly kept tuning into these live feeds.
	They had drones flying around.
	You know, we had entered well into the era of the quadcopter.
	They prefer that you call them, by the way, just a little pointer from me to you.
	And Jerry Brown blamed Republicans.
	Well, yeah, it's the same old horseshit.
	The good things happen.
	You're going to take the credit.
	Bad things happen.
	You're going to assign blame.
	Especially if you're a Jerry Brown who probably has never actually done anything in his life other than suckle off the teat of working for some government entity somewhere doing something.
	Yeah, he got it all of his dad.
	His dad created the political machine, and he just, yeah, he lived off of that.
	He was the quintessential hippie back in the day, wasn't he?
	Isn't that why they call him Moonbeam?
	Yep.
	His dad created a Democrat political machine there in the state.
	Then he rode off of that, but was the cool hippie son.
	Oh, that's great.
	He's pretty geriatric now, isn't he?
	Isn't it amazing what time does?
	It's just the ultimate equalizer.
	You're so hip.
	You're so cool.
	You're so now.
	Fast forward 40 years.
	Sit down and shut up.
	That's what time says to you.
	It has no mercy.
	It's amazing.
	The young hip son was Jerry Brown.
	That would be, in the year 2019, difficult for a majority of people who are alive and walking around to process.
	Jerry Brown, the young hip son.
	What?
	What are you talking about?
	Jerry Brown, the state capitol, has assigned an annual budget for adult diapers as a result of his residence in the governor's mansion.
	He's the cool hip son.
	What are you talking about?
	Well, no, but he was governor back in the 80s?
	70s or 80s.
	Yeah.
	And then came back.
	Isn't that amazing that a state, a people would be so bankrupt of ideas on just the way forward.
	They would be so devoid of inspiration to fix the problems that require fixing that they would bring in that fossil to become governor again.
	I mean, delusion.
	And what would you point to during his first term that got so much better that Warren's bringing him back in?
	I don't know.
	That state is so lost.
	It's not even, I don't even consider it to be a part of the Republic anymore.
	And I have a lot of family in California.
	They tried to get me to move out there back in 2011.
	There's that sound in whoever's Mike.
	I don't know if you hit it or something, but it hasn't done it this whole time until just now.
	They were trying to get me to move out there back in 2011.
	I'm really glad I didn't.
	Just while I was out there the last time, just looking at gas prices scared the hell out of me.
	Never mind the cultural differences and whatnot.
	And there are things that I like about California.
	I like the environmental concern.
	You know, you feel like things are clean, generally speaking.
	Now, yes, I understand they have poop maps in San Francisco to avoid the poop piles.
	But just generally speaking, if you're in a reasonable area surrounded by reasonable people, you're not going to see piles of shit in the street that require a map for the purposes of your own personal navigation.
	It's just, it has a nice, clean feel to it that I appreciate.
	And I think a lot of that can be attributed to the over, in some cases, over zealous environmental concern they have out there.
	But I do like that.
	But it's just in so many other ways the state seems ruined to me.
	Particularly their schools.
	Oh, my God.
	Because not only do you have sanctuary cities throughout the state, but then the actual state itself is a sanctuary state.
	So the schools, it's my understanding, are just being entirely inundated with third world, non-English-speaking kids who are from abject poverty and have no cultural congruity with the kids they're going to school with whatsoever.
	And the schools, which previously were good schools, no longer are because they're effectively having to partition kids off into two separate educational universes and, in effect, in some instances, run what may as well be considered two schools under one roof.
	It's a mess anyway.
	We're getting trolled, by the way.
	What?
	We are?
	Yeah, we're getting trolled by a hard case in the thread.
	He is a member since November 8th, 2018.
	And he's upset that the Gabcast isn't as good as it used to be.
	There hasn't been a Gabcast in how long?
	And the last time we're talking about dams and water.
	I mean, let's get rid of it.
	And the last time there was.
	I'm looking at the Pepe.
	I'm looking at the Pepe damn memes now.
	Here's one with Pepe floating up to the edge.
	Yeah, that's great.
	He, I guess, deleted his post because you quoted him.
	And oh, no, here it is.
	Here lies Gabcast, bored itself to death talking about water.
	I don't know.
	Are there certain subjects that are off limits as it relates to this podcast?
	I asked about Heather's cooter, I guess.
	I asked at 3 p.m. today, are we allowed to talk about water on the show tonight?
	And nobody said no to me.
	So this is new information.
	I don't know where this is coming from.
	Groiper?
	Yes.
	Yeah, what do you have to say?
	I mean, I would expect you to protect me from myself in these matters.
	That's all I'm trying to convey to you.
	If you want to be on the show, the number is 573-837-4948.
	It's 573-837-4948.
	You know something, Groiper?
	It has been repeatedly suggested to me that you are not who you say you are.
	And I'm just going to, there's a radio host named Richard Surrett.
	And it has repeatedly been suggested to me that you are Richard Surrett.
	Now, I think this audience, this listening audience, has had plenty of time to listen to you and your voice and your inflections, your verbal inclinations to evaluate for themselves.
	Now, I'm going to play some Richard Surrett clips for you here.
	And Groiper, I want you to tell me if this sounds like you.
	They're going to make the claim that Jesse Guerin Presley is, in fact, Elvis Presley.
	That's right.
	Elvis Presley is still alive, living under the name of Jesse Guarin Presley.
	They say they have the DNA evidence to prove it, and they are going to present this in court.
	Groiper, you like talking about Elvis impersonators on your little show there, do you?
	Maybe.
	Okay.
	Clip number two, Richard Surrett pretending he's not Groiper.
	I'll also speak with the COO of a startup tech company based in Toronto.
	They've developed a piece of technology that is right off the page.
	I like the way you had that Canadian pronunciation of Toronto just to throw everybody off.
	A tech company based in Toronto, they've developed a piece of technology that is right off the pages of a science fiction novel.
	It's called thought-controlled computing.
	Imagine being able to control just about anything that you could plug into a computer.
	Doesn't that sound so quaint like something an old man would say?
	Imagine being able to control something that you plugged into a computer.
	Like keyboards and mice and speakers.
	That would be fascinating.
	Quite frankly, I'm not a big fan of psychics.
	And I've said this to you.
	I just think most of them are frauds.
	Did you hear his indigestion there?
	I isolated that for you, so just take a listen.
	What the hell is that?
	I'm going to have to find.
	There's got to be some situation that I can routinely drop this in during future broadcasts.
	Anyway, so Richard Groiper, why are you pretending you're not Richard Surret?
	I'd say at this point, the jig is up.
	We know what you're perpetrating.
	And answers are being awaited.
	It was not me.
	I did not.
	It wasn't me.
	Okay.
	Quite frankly, I'm not a big fan of psychics.
	Okay, Groiper, now you?
	I don't know.
	I can't really hear myself, so I can't tell how good the impression is.
	And I've said this to you.
	I think most of them are frauds.
	I just love the indigestion.
	I made sure to leave that in.
	Do I really sound like that?
	Well, no, I know of, let's just say, a certain number of people who have communicated with me privately that they believe sincerely that you are that person.
	And I'm not making this up.
	There are people who believe you are Richard Surrett.
	And I've actually, without even knowing what Richard Surrett sounds like, I've tried to convince them, maybe not convince them, but persuade them that it's highly unlikely for any number of reasons.
	I mean, first of all, he's a fill-in host occasionally on Coast to Coast AM.
	Can you imagine an occasional fill-in host on Coast to Coast AM coming to Belgab to post Moonman memes?
	I don't know about that.
	See, if he wanted to keep his job, you'd think that might be sort of off the table as far as his personal internet usage behavior is concerned.
	But that makes sense to me.
	Let's give that one more listen.
	Quite frankly, I'm not a big fan of psychics.
	My conclusion as to whether that's Groiper, I'm going to say stay tuned.
	I haven't reached a conclusion.
	So we've got another clip here.
	This was sent to me by Chefist, and I think we can go ahead at this point and sort of move into some Cinda content, I suspect.
	And the reason I say that is because this clip is entitled Cinda versus James the Lesser Stealing from Kids.
	Do you want to set this up, Chefist?
	Yeah, I do.
	Once again, we've been studying, analyzing, ridiculing George for years.
	Which is why concern trolling, maybe we're not totally offended by, because there's been a lot of that over the years, but we still notice it.
	Absolutely.
	And so it is very difficult to find an unbiased opinion about George Cinda because we've all been.
	Yeah, we've been wallowing in the mire for years upon years.
	However, if there could be a new voice, a fresh voice, to come and analyze George from out of nowhere.
	Now, how did he find George?
	It was Belgabbers that turned him on to George, but his stick, his little YouTube channel, is calling out scammers and grifters.
	So his name's James the Lesser Express Lane.
	That's his channel.
	And what he does is he puts the scammers behind him kind of on a green screen and he's in front while they talk.
	He analyzes.
	A lot like what I used to do on Martinez Tonight with George.
	Now, he does it in a video format so you can see what James looks like.
	Is he the guy with the beard?
	Yeah, he's got a beard.
	He always has a hat.
	And it's like the name of it is James Reacts2, and he does all kinds of stuff.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	And so he's called out other people that he says are grifters and scammers and whatever.
	Well, there happened to be someone called, well, I won't, it's Rally Squirrel, I think.
	It was either Rally Squirrel.
	I'm pretty sure it was Rally Squirrel that posted some links to some George videos, and he was able to look at them.
	And almost immediately, he, because of his experience with grifters and scammers and panhandlers, was able to identify what George actually was.
	So this clip is like one of the first, well, it's not the first, but it's an excellent clip because he'd called out George, and then George started, because George in his intro would always say, accept no substitutes.
	I'm the authentic, real man from Pittsburgh, guy from Pittsburgh, except no imitators on YouTube.
	Then he added the caveat, accept no cheesy commentators on YouTube.
	Well, he was referring to James the Lesser.
	Accept no commentators while he's launching into commentary.
	Exactly.
	So this little clip is excellent.
	James the Lesser called him out, and then you'll hear James the Lesser at the very end of the clip.
	A church gives us a voucher of $20, and another church gives out vegetables and fruit and canned food and meat.
	So I spent no money on that before anybody gave for me stuff.
	And both places have no children, so nobody can say that I was taking food from the mouths of children, which I would never do.
	Yes, you would.
	Nobody doubts he would take food from the mouths of children.
	Didn't he breastfeed off of a woman who was dying of cancer and had a newborn baby?
	Didn't he suckle her milk that should have gone to that child?
	Yes, he did, but that's really his business, isn't it?
	But he literally stole food from the mouth of a baby.
	Not even a child.
	This precedes child.
	A baby.
	The epicenter of innocence.
	Oh, my God.
	That was so good because I think he had gotten, he had had some live shows, and part of the shtick that six-week tenure and them did was whoever they were pretending to be said, well, you're stealing those calories and food from children and women.
	And he got really upset over that.
	I don't think anyone doubts he would steal food from the mouths of children.
	I don't see why it's assumed we would all conclude he wouldn't.
	I'm processing that.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay, you have some other clips here.
	There is Heather Wade and Art Real Voice Slowdown.
	Is that the one you want to start with?
	Or is there another one?
	You know what?
	Let's start with the Heather Waiden art clip.
	I think this is excellent because it's going to give people a chance to understand what Heather Wade kind of sounded like when she was on the old gab cast.
	But here she stepped it up a notch because she was talking to Art directly, I think, when Art didn't really know who she was.
	You're on the air with Dr. Reed.
	Hi.
	Art Bell.
	Yes, ma'am.
	Wow, I have a question for First Roswell.
	She was just breathless there, wasn't she?
	Wow, I have a question for First Roswell, and I have a question for Dr. Reed.
	I have a question for Dr. Reed as well.
	I have a question for First Roswell, and I have a question for Dr. Reed.
	I once saw a UFO and I had this telepathic communication that was two or three seconds long and it was large amounts of information that I won't go into.
	Was it like that communicating with your alien?
	Exactly.
	In fact, when he would do it, it was like a fire hose being squirted into my brain.
	Oh, that is big.
	What?
	That is huge.
	Oh, my God, it's humongous.
	I've never seen anything that big before.
	I had to ask him verbally to slow down.
	I need you to slow down for me because I would get these intense migraine headaches the second I was in his presence.
	So he learned to slow down for me.
	Rain it in for you.
	Wow, that is fascinating because that just sort of validates my own experience.
	All right.
	It sort of reminds me of the scene from Independence Day.
	What is it you want from us?
	Duh.
	I speak through your president.
	It was like a fire hose.
	She really hadn't affected.
	She had a really affected way of speaking there, didn't she?
	Like, look how cute I look how cute I can be.
	That was the voice she had going right there.
	Absolutely.
	Now, my question is, does anyone know if she was talking to Art personally before this call or no?
	Well, hasn't it been established?
	Because if you listen to the pre-release version of the new Van Diven Enterprises hit song Desert Heat, they began communicating via email many years ago, way before Midnight in the Desert or even Dark Matter.
	Supposedly beginning around 2002, 2004, she would just send him these long screeds, I guess, about what's going on in her life or whatever happens to be on her mind at that time.
	What was that?
	Emails or audio files?
	Emails.
	Emails.
	Yeah, supposedly they've been communicating or they had been communicating via email for a really long time going back into the mid to early 2000s.
	Did she tell you this when you were talking about this?
	No, this was something that I think she said this somewhere and I saw it talked about on Bellgab.
	And in fact, it wasn't random that I put the lyrics together in that song that way because what I had seen on Bellgab seemed pretty conclusive.
	I think it may have even been audio from Heather or maybe it was an old post of hers on Bellgab.
	I don't know, but it seemed pretty conclusive that she had been in communication with him by email going back into the mid to early 2000s.
	Well, we want Heather to call in tonight.
	Heather, if you're out there listening, please call in.
	We'll be completely civil and friendly, but we'd like your point of view.
	I don't know about friendly, but nobody's going to interrupt you.
	Nobody's going to interrupt you.
	That much I'll say, but I don't see a lot of cause to be friendly.
	Well, will she call in?
	I don't know.
	But anyone want to defend Heather?
	Call on in.
	Call on in.
	I think it'd be great.
	Well, the phone number is 573-837-4948.
	It's 573-837-4948.
	And you've got a few additional clips here, one of which is called Heather Wade's Secret.
	And we also have Heather Wade, You Don't Know Me.
	Oh, I think we should do the secret next, since it's the shortest of the two.
	Wade has a secret.
	I think perhaps it's not so much of a secret anymore, but at the time she made this recording, she had a deep dark secret.
	And then as the clip plays out, you'll realize it's something we kind of all had a suspicion about from the very beginning.
	Because I'll tell you a secret about Heather, and it's weird to talk about yourself.
	Third person, yuck.
	But I'll tell you a secret about me that, well, some of you will probably believe.
	Miss Ahoni.
	Her clip reminded me, George is getting upset.
	And it's weird to talk about yourself in third person, I know.
	But I'll tell you a secret about me that, well, some of you will probably believe.
	Miso Honey.
	Miss Ohan, you keep lying.
	Me love you a long time.
	Okay.
	You want to explain that to me?
	So, once again, it's pretty simple.
	These are edited together by Chefist.
	I just want to let everybody know that.
	And I did not listen to any of these before show.
	It's pretty simple.
	We all knew she was, by her own admission, a sex phone operator.
	Now that gives you, you know, these visions of this 200-pound mom with six kids answering the phone and doing hot phone sex just to get money.
	See, in order for phone sex to work for me, that's what I need to envision on the other end of the phone.
	Go ahead.
	Lift that Moo Moo up, baby.
	So, but as we saw from the pictures that she released herself, she released herself.
	You do not need to wear that shit if you're a phone sex operator.
	You need to wear that shit if you're doing it live and in person, baby.
	Well, she was a stripper.
	I mean, that's very much established.
	Those pictures from like years ago, though?
	Yeah, those are from her actual stripper days.
	I think in the late 90s-ish.
	So she would have been like, I think she's about, let's see, I think she's about three years older than me.
	Something like that.
	Maybe three or four years older than me.
	So at the time, I would have been in the late 90s, maybe let's say 17 years old.
	She would have been 21.
	So that would be the primo age if you're going to do that job, I suppose.
	But I never held that against her.
	I mean, I knew about her having been a stripper way back, I think, in 2011.
	I knew about that.
	And I never really said anything to anybody about it just because I didn't hold it against her.
	And I didn't want it to be seen as though I was using that as a weapon against her or some sort of a pejorative.
	I don't know how she fed herself, to be honest.
	You have to pay extra to hold it against her.
	Well, I will say that if I were in a strip club and I saw her, I wouldn't approach her.
	Correct.
	I'll tell you that.
	I mean, that's not.
	Correct.
	I mean, there's no way for me to say that without it sounding offensive.
	Oh, yeah, I'm V, what do you look like, huh?
	How attractive are you, huh?
	I'm not saying I am attractive.
	That's why I might occasionally go to a strip club.
	Don't you understand?
	I'm just saying that if I were in a strip club, I probably would not approach her because if you're going to go to the trouble of going to a strip club, at least if it's a half decent one, you can see girls in there that are absolutely perfect, like flawless.
	If it's a decent place, it's not a trashy place.
	So you go into a strip club and you see that.
	I don't know.
	In terms of strip club standards, stripper standards, and I'm not proclaiming myself some sort of a stripper expert, but I do understand rating systems, particularly of the numerical variety.
	And I'm going to give her a 5.5 by stripper standards.
	Ooh, that's high.
	You think that's high?
	Yeah.
	5.5.
	Oh, really?
	That seems a bit harsh.
	She's not.
	And I don't think it's wrong to talk about this or about her like this because she put the pictures out there.
	She made it a subject of conversation.
	Now, she might not be the most stable person.
	Perhaps that should be taken into account.
	If you're a stripper, that's what you're getting paid for is your looks.
	So you will be judged.
	No, no, no, no.
	When I go to a strip club, I like to ask for a resume.
	I want to know what your political ideas are.
	I want to see what sort of recipes you like to cook.
	There is information that goes beyond just the appearance of the girl.
	I don't know.
	I don't want that fart box in my face.
	I can tell you that.
	That's awful harsh.
	I mean, I thought I was being harsh with the 5.5, but the two of you, we've got, what was it from you, Groiper, a four at best?
	I said two at first, but then a four.
	But she looks like a horse, and she is very unfortunate looking, even as a young woman.
	And she doesn't have what I would call a stripper body.
	I mean, she just looks like a boy.
	I don't know.
	I think if, God, I don't.
	I want to say certain things, but I don't at the same time.
	Well, it's just like, it's just a certain commentary on what it is you expect to see when you walk into a strip club.
	And that ain't it.
	No.
	And I realize that with some of the virgin schlubs behind the scenes at Bell Gab, you may have been able to generate a lot of capital for yourself with the naughty understanding privately that you used to be a stripper.
	Well, that must say something about you.
	Lit City.
	You know, there was a lot of that.
	There were a lot of guys who, over the course of Bell Gab history, behind the scenes, I'm not going to name any of them, but there were guys who, behind the scenes, who I believe were virgins all across the board, who really thought they had some sort of a chance with her.
	And so they would go out of their way to do things for her, to take care of stuff for her.
	This goes back years.
	And the reason I know about it was because it was all told to me by a really reliable source who was told about it by these people, these guys, about effectively how just taken by her they were.
	And behind the scenes, they were just talking every day all the time.
	And they just, I don't know, I guess they just really thought they were going to have something with her.
	Two of them I'm thinking of specifically.
	Are they the gang of four or two of them in the gang of four?
	Even if they were, I would never comment on who they are because that's up to whoever the people themselves are to come out and comment on.
	But I'm just saying that was going on.
	So I think that the like the first time I found out that she had been a stripper in the past, it was because she said so.
	And it was either in the pre-show or the post-show of a gab cast back in like 2011.
	It was her.
	I think Curtis was there.
	I want to say Onin was there.
	And I was there.
	And she just openly let everybody know, yeah, I used to be a stripper.
	And she was talking about that.
	And I always wondered if that was sort of a calculated thing just to because, you know, that is going.
	If a woman says that, yeah, I used to be a stripper and she still sounds relatively young.
	Maybe you don't know what she looks like, but you're hearing her as a man.
	You're hearing her say, I used to be a stripper.
	She doesn't sound like she's an old lady yet.
	So you're going to have certain ideas and maybe expectations about how bedtable she might be, you know, just from an attractiveness scale standpoint, I guess.
	And I always kind of wondered if that was strategic on her part, if that was intentional.
	Of course.
	Yeah, I think it was.
	And if you look at the meme that Kazuna and I just posted, there she is.
	And classically, there's some wood paneling in the background.
	So we can draw some conclusions about the locations where she was stripping.
	See that?
	That's another thing I need in order for phone sex to work for me.
	I need to be able to envision wood paneling on the other end of the phone.
	If I can't.
	She was a dominatrix, too, wasn't she?
	I don't know about that.
	There's this one picture she released of her dressed as a stripper, and she's standing in front of a mannequin.
	And every time I see that picture, maybe I'll see it.
	Somebody will post it on Belgab or somebody will send it to me thinking perhaps I haven't seen it before.
	And the thought that always comes to my mind is, wow, look at the tits on that mannequin behind Heather.
	That's every time what I think.
	Right away, my eyes just go to the tits on the mannequin behind her.
	What kind of a that's a sad commentary on the situation, isn't it?
	I don't know.
	I mean, yeah, I get it.
	I'm not the most attractive person who's ever existed, but you're not going to see pictures of my rectum being posted or what arguably might be my rectum on Belgab.
	At least if I have any say over the matter.
	Now, there could be another Fappening that comes along, and for some reason I'm included in that.
	And if that happens, if I'm worthy of being included in a Fappening, I don't know.
	Maybe things are going okay for me in other ways.
	So I shouldn't be too bent out of shape about it.
	But short of that, I don't think anybody will be asking the question, is that his rectum as it relates to me?
	Anyway, okay.
	Classic KYMO.
	That's the Gabcast.
	If you want to call into the show, 573-837-4948, 573-837-4948.
	Is there anything either of you want to talk about that we haven't gotten to tonight?
	Well, I got a few things I thought that were very interesting.
	Number one is it's important to understand who this Bardell person is and why he would not post really much for a long time on Belgab,
	but then decide to make this whole sister site and spend significant amount of time making animated videos, ridiculing certain people, myself, others.
	Why would they go dark for so long and then pop back up and spend so much time on it?
	What do you mean by go dark for so long?
	Well, you remember he was, he posted it on the musing threads.
	He was one of the original people that was.
	Oh, you're talking about he went dark on Belgab and then came back.
	Yeah.
	And then he just kind of didn't post at all for a long time.
	Well, I think he came back when Art died, wasn't it?
	Yeah.
	But then he didn't post that much.
	And it wasn't until You took the hiatus that he came back.
	Well, no, he was back before that.
	It was during the hiatus that he started El Gab.
	Right.
	And he, yeah, he had been posting, but he wasn't posting like he used to post when he was making fun of George.
	I'll tell you this: if you go back and look at that period of time, look in the look in the Midnight in the Desert thread, I guess it would be, in that period just before the forum got shut down, he was posting because he had that, he had that Kingdom of Night radio site going.
	Right.
	And he had like a fake Bart's sharts, I think it was called, store.
	Right.
	Isn't that what it was called?
	Bart's sharks.
	Yeah, Bart Sharks.
	And I thought he was funny as hell.
	And I don't know.
	I don't have any ill will because it was my decision to shut the forum down for a little while.
	And I can't really come back and be surprised that somebody else put something up in its place.
	It can be a little bit, I guess, it is maybe a little bit lame that that wasn't shut down after the forum came back up.
	But, you know, it's another website owned by another person, so you can't really expect someone else to shut their website down.
	No, no.
	I'm not saying that's what you expect.
	I'm just talking about my perspective on the whole thing because I've been asked several times, don't you just hate Bartell?
	No, I really don't.
	And I thought he was one of the funniest things happening on Bell Gab just before it was shut down.
	I pissed myself laughing at some of that stuff.
	The parodies of Heather.
	Remember when he had, for a short period of time, every website change that Carl guy, Art Bell's friend who brought a wife over from the Philippines himself, and I think Art paid for it, in fact.
	That guy apparently was working on Heather's website and doing a terrible job of it as well.
	And every single incremental change that occurred on that website, Bart had a parody site that looked exactly like it.
	And he was doing exactly the same thing, but he was doing it within the confines of the Bartell universe.
	I thought it was some of the best trolling.
	Perhaps El Gab is just a continuation of that, but I'm not sure who the intended trolling victim there is necessarily.
	Well, what I find interesting is that he trolls people, George, Heather, other people, even myself.
	But when you troll him, he banishes you from his website.
	That's how most forums are run.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	He's pretty thin-skinned for a guy that pretends to be so excited in his humor.
	And I think that's why a lot of people were disillusioned with the side the side started.
	And I was posting there in the beginning, but then you just saw people getting banned right and left because they would criticize one thing or another, and then they were banned.
	So I think the guy's pretty much a pussy, but that's my opinion.
	He never banned me, and I was an open Nazi racist.
	I think you were too.
	Yeah, but he banned a lot of people.
	Were you perhaps trying too hard to get banned, though?
	And he could see that that's what you were doing?
	I don't think so.
	I wasn't, you know, because, yeah, if you do try too hard, you will get banned.
	But I'm surprised I made it through, to be honest.
	I'm kind of wondering if the Heather Wade thing goes away, and I'm legitimately asking this.
	I'm not asking it as a critique of Elgab, but if the Heather Wade thing goes away as something to talk about, is there anything else to keep that whole community going?
	No.
	I mean, is that really that's the underpinning of everything is talking about Heather?
	I'm going to look for the next Anthony and whoever comes after him to come along, and that's their source of content because they don't generate any content of their own.
	I mean, they can do podcasts or whatever, but as for, you know, main source of content, it has to be generated by someone, and Heather's gone.
	So I doubt she's coming back.
	And like they latched on to Anthony really quick, and that's only a part-time thing.
	Like, I doubt he's going to come back and post forever.
	He's certainly not going to drive across the country every couple weeks.
	Does the Heather thread over there get regular patronage, I guess I'll say?
	That's the only thread that gets talked in.
	And I think it drives them nuts because they want to funnel everyone to Schrader.
	And it's basically an advertisement for Dave Schrader's show.
	Who's that?
	Dave Schrader.
	Yeah, that seems like a pretty weak product to try and build a community around Midnight in the Desert.
	I don't think it's getting any traction.
	And as I've pointed out on the forum, if you go look at the Dave Schrader Facebook page and look at the user engagement there, you really don't see a whole lot.
	Like, he'll post something on there, and then you'll go look at the reactions and the likes and the comments three or four, maybe five days later, and it'll have like one comment, 11 reactions, and six likes.
	Not good.
	And then let's say you go to Rush Limbaugh's Facebook page, and he posts something there and see what kind of interaction, what kind of engagement it's going to have after just five minutes.
	Never mind five days.
	And I'm not saying that it should be on that level.
	I mean, Rush is syndicated on, what, 600 radio stations?
	25, 28 million listeners per week.
	So yeah, I would expect definitely a marked increase in engagement for Rush relative to Dave Schrader.
	But still, that level of engagement.
	What does John B. Wells get?
	I'm curious if you go to Facebook and see his responses.
	Let's go ahead and do that.
	I'll see if I can find him on there.
	But it just doesn't look to me like something that's taking off, and I don't hear any sort of real buzz about it.
	Like, I wouldn't, I don't think I would ever just organically run into some buzz about Midnight in the Desert just in my day-to-day life, ever, anywhere, but for my involvement with Belgab and that whole universe and the connections I've forged with people who are in some way directly or indirectly related to that community, I would have no idea that that show exists.
	I don't see any traction.
	I'm losing my voice.
	I've done so much talking today.
	John B. Wells.
	Is it W-E-L-L-E-S or just LLS?
	That's right.
	LLS.
	Yeah, there he is.
	Okay.
	67,000 likes on his page.
	I think the last time I looked at Dave Schrader's, it was at 8,000.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay, so let me find a post here from John B. Wells that goes back a few days and we'll see what kind of engagement we're getting.
	Facebook takes eternities to load.
	Okay, here, here.
	Here's something posted yesterday at 4 p.m.
	Now, you heard the kind of stats that I'm seeing when I go look at Dave Schrader's Facebook page.
	So, he's got a post from yesterday at 4 p.m.
	214 reactions, 60 comments, 15 shares, and I guess the reactions, 214, I guess that's likes, which that's not, those numbers aren't going to move a mountain, but it's certainly better than two likes, one comment.
	Yeah, and he just has a podcast.
	And that's a post from yesterday.
	Right.
	Let me go back a little further.
	Here's something from March 22nd.
	This has had plenty of time to stew.
	Now, here's one from the 21st.
	807 likes, 363 comments, 78 shares.
	And on Dave Schrader's Facebook page, I've gone and I looked for posts that are up to 10 days old, and the numbers didn't get any better going that far back in time.
	So the only thing I can conclude is that there's just not really a lot of traction happening there.
	At least that's not how it looks to me.
	And I don't listen to the show, so I don't know what the atmosphere sounds like.
	And I think if I did listen to the show, I'd probably be able to better assess this.
	But I mean, when it comes to callers, for example, is he getting the same people calling in every night?
	Do either of you know?
	Do either of you listen to him?
	I don't listen to the show, no.
	I listen every once in a while.
	I do.
	And when he's not on a topic that's totally religious in nature, not that I have anything against that, but he does go that way a lot.
	And I mean, I hear different callers.
	Once again, he doesn't have any affiliation with any terrestrial radio.
	It's all just a podcast.
	And which I think Midnight in the Desert is too, right?
	I don't think they're on any terrestrial stations, or maybe they are.
	I don't know.
	Only on K9.
	Only K-9.
	And the only reason they're on that station is so that the owner of the station can spite Heather.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	That's the only reason.
	That's like, I've never heard of a syndicated show being added to a radio station out of hatred.
	I've never heard of that.
	It's usually got something to do with capitalistic pursuits, profit motive, not some woman hating another woman.
	Well, damn it, I'm going to put this show on to show her.
	Imagine trying to explain all that to the listening audience.
	The reason you're hearing this show right, like a liner plays before the show, and now Midnight in the Desert, brought to you by Karen Jackson's hatred of Heather Wade on K-9, the Perrump Valley's voice for reason insanity.
	And now, Midnight in the Desert.
	You don't hear that liner playing, and if it did, wow, you'd really have a hard time parsing that for somebody to explain it.
	It'd be a lot of backstory.
	Well, there was this host, Art Bell, and he knew Karen a long time ago, but then he knew Heather.
	And Heather moved to Perump.
	She didn't like Karen.
	Karen didn't like her because Karen was supposed to be Art's best friend.
	And then Heather came in and she suddenly became Art's best friend who was a girl.
	And Karen didn't like that because she'd always been there and they had these missing pennies that kept getting missing.
	And she didn't know what to do about that.
	And so then Art Diet.
	I mean, God damn, how are you going to explain that to anybody?
	And I'm not too big a fan of that Karen Jackson either.
	She seems like the type of woman who just sort of enjoys sticking the knife in if you cross her.
	You know, that's the impression I get of her.
	And I'll bet you that she hated Heather the second Heather got out of her car in Perump, Nevada.
	Before the first word was said, I'll bet you Karen Jackson looked at her as a threat.
	Because Karen Jackson, I think this is sort of the unspoken, I think, psychology behind Karen Jackson's involvement with art and how she felt when Heather came along.
	I think that Karen Jackson always viewed herself as Art's best chick friend who's going to be able to tell everybody in the future when Art's dead and gone.
	I was Art's best friend.
	I was never his wife, but damn it, I was Art's best friend.
	And let me tell you about those pennies for the 33rd time.
	Oh, my God.
	But then Heather came along and was entirely a threat to that.
	That's how I perceived it.
	And I'm not saying that is how she felt.
	I can't get in somebody's head.
	But just looking without any personal interest in the matter from the outside looking in, that's how it looked to me.
	That's how the hostility she holds toward Heather.
	That's what the source of it appeared to me to be.
	And if that's not what the source of it was, she should just come out and say specifically and directly what the source was because she's making it very clear to anybody who will listen that there is hostility.
	So if you're going to make it clear to everybody that there's hostility between the two of you, just go ahead and be very direct and open and honest about why it exists.
	Or has Karen been direct and open and honest about why the hostility between the two of them exists?
	And I just don't know about it.
	Has she ever said anything about that?
	I don't know.
	I mean, can I mean she's done a few interviews?
	Well, what we're discussing here are people that allow their lives to be controlled by being starstruck.
	Can we say that?
	That there are human beings out there that all-encompassing in their life is their attachment to some star, some famous person.
	And it controls everything about them.
	And their ego is tied to having that person interact with them on any level possible.
	Can, I mean, that has to be it, right?
	Life is a personality.
	I can see that.
	I would have been starstruck if I had met Art back in the day.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, I was ready to go mow his grass for him, his non-existent grass back in 2014, 2015 before I saw too much behind the curtain and got disillusioned.
	Yeah, it's too bad he turned out to be a total piece of shit.
	God damn.
	What was that?
	Two, three families abandoned, including this last one, because he decided to have, you know, a child at 70 years old who does that with COPD.
	That's a yikes for me, man.
	I don't know.
	I would have been starstruck if I'd met Art back in those days.
	I'm so totally losing my voice right now.
	But would it really have been in 2014?
	You still would have been starstruck then?
	To some extent, yes.
	Because, you know, as I was coming of age and imagining my future and what it was I wanted to do, which was radio, listening to art was a huge part of my life back in the day.
	I mean, if you consider the fact that I started listening to talk radio at about the age of 11 or so, first to hear Rush, and then because of Rush, I found art.
	So he was a real big part of some of the most formative years of my life in terms of shaping my perceptions of certain things and me continuing to evaluate what it was I wanted to do in the future.
	Art was a big part of that.
	And so certainly, yeah, I would have been a little bit starstruck.
	But I think that eventually when it got to the point where his real personality came through, that would have been where I parted ways.
	And one thing I will say is that even throughout all those years that I listened to Art, I loved his show, respected him as a broadcaster, I never felt a desire to meet him because he was one of the few people that he kind of just had a hunch that it probably wouldn't go well.
	At least that was how I felt about it.
	And I never did.
	I talked to him several times, but the only conversations I ever had with him that I really enjoyed took place in public.
	The private conversations I had with him, I never enjoyed because it was either him threatening to sue me or him fishing for information about somebody, fishing for information about Dark Penguin, which I never gave him, fishing for information about the one, which I never gave him.
	You know something?
	There are a lot of people out there that have a problem with me, but they really should go fuck themselves.
	And the reason I say that is because 99.999% of forum owners who run a forum about Art Bell would have given Art every IP address that a particular person has ever signed into the forum with ever if Art just simply even floated the possibility of that being handed over.
	They wouldn't have been able to do that quickly enough for Art.
	Oh, no problem, Art.
	When I was directly asked to do stuff like that by him, I flatly refused.
	I think that I did a lot of people a lot of favors, and I think I saved a lot of people a lot of grief that they otherwise would have been saddled with.
	And one of the reasons that Art began to hate Belgab toward the end was because of the fact that I had that philosophy that I wasn't going to police what people are allowed to say about art just because it's Belgab and Art happens to be the focal point of the forum.
	And that was expected by him of me.
	And I never did it.
	And it's what ultimately caused him not to use the forum any longer.
	And that's another thing.
	99.999% of forum owners who run a forum about Art Bell would have done anything.
	I'm sorry, I'm losing my voice.
	Anything they could to keep him using that forum because it's their only reason for getting up in the morning.
	So whatever reasons people have a problem, whatever reasons cause people to feel hostility, whether it's the forum shut down several months ago or some other thing, I don't even know what it is that gets people worked up.
	I think there were a lot of good things that I did to protect people and keep things legitimate on the forum.
	And by legitimate, I mean keeping them honest and not presenting some sort of an illusion.
	And that's what it would have been if suddenly it got to the point where saying something bad about art gets you banned or in some other way impedes your ability to use the forum, that would have been a totally artificial presentation.
	Everything would have been worthless from that point forward.
	There would have been no honesty or validity in anything from that point forward.
	You said it yourself, and I've seen this with a lot of celebrities, many celebrities.
	The only time they respond is to something negative.
	You don't see them responding to their average normal everyday fan that really likes them.
	Hey, thanks for your support.
	Hey, thanks for this.
	Thanks for this.
	No, it's if they get a dark penguin or they get a the one, then they're all up in arms and they're suddenly posting a lot on your website.
	You know, how often did it say, hey, thanks for everything, guys?
	This is a great week.
	Things are going.
	I want to thank this, but no, it's always him bitching about something or someone.
	And, you know, I just.
	Did you ever pick up on the fact that Art hated it when people would say nice things to him?
	Oh, yeah, then you're a kiss ass.
	Remember, there's no winning.
	No, there's not.
	You can say nice things to him and he views you as something of an obsequious cunt, or you can be mean to him, and he's fishing to get your IP address history because of it.
	So which way are we supposed to go here?
	Yeah.
	So basically, fuck you, Art.
	I know you're dead, but you, fuck you.
	That's the way you were the whole time.
	You were, yeah, if you, oh, I don't like ass kissers.
	Oh, don't say bad things about me.
	Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	So a good example is a few back during the election in 2016, I responded to James Woods on Twitter, and I said, hey, James, you know, you seem to just reply to the haters and the trolls.
	You never really reply to your real fans, the ones that support you.
	And he replied to me.
	And it was pretty interesting.
	He goes, you know what?
	You're absolutely right.
	And I'll make an attempt to correct that.
	I'm going to respond to the trolls, but I'm also going to respond to my fans more than I do the trolls.
	And I thought that was pretty cool.
	But Art was never that way.
	Art was just, Art really was kind of a self-centered sociopath.
	And he was very talented, as they can often be.
	And yeah, he must have been so torn because on the one hand, he hated his fans as much as any genius I've ever seen hate his fans.
	Phil Hendry is another one who really, really hates his fans.
	I'd say there's a certain symbiotic thing that always existed between Art Bell and Phil Hendry.
	And in more ways than just Phil's Art Bell impersonations.
	I mean, they both had a similar approach to audience interaction.
	If you liked them, they hate you.
	And it probably comes from a place of self-hatred because these are people who inside genuinely hate themselves for whatever reason.
	So if someone loves them in their minds, there must be something wrong with that person because I hate myself so much.
	If you love me, that must say something about you and how just fucking pathetic you are.
	And why Art hated all of his employers that made him a millionaire?
	You know, when he did that, and I know I've said this before, but when he came on and did Dark Matter in September of 2013 on SiriusXM and that initial show, the pilot broadcast, and he finally revealed what his beef with Premier Radio Networks was.
	And it turned out it simply was because they didn't pay his legal fees when he ended up suing David John Oates or whatever.
	By your own fucking lawyer.
	That's all it was?
	That your boss didn't pay your legal fees?
	I mean, I don't know.
	Was that ever a rule in radio that if you as a as broadcast talent get sued or sue somebody, I think Art sued that guy.
	So Art was the plaintiff.
	So you're not even responding to a suit.
	You're the plaintiff.
	You're the initiator.
	And your employer is supposed to come in and foot the bill for your legal fees?
	I never, and when that was revealed to be the big complaint as it relates to Premier Radio Networks on that night, I was just sort of taken aback by that.
	That's it.
	That was the big ho-hum.
	That's what all of this animosity came down to.
	That's what Art's refusal to host the show all those years came down to?
	The fact that Art hadn't hosted Coast to Coast AU.
	Oh, my God.
	The new Skype doesn't seem to have a way to turn off sounds.
	At least not that I've managed to find.
	But the fact that they wouldn't pay that money to the lawyer for you to be the plaintiff, the initiator of a case against somebody, I don't understand that.
	Anyway, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello, this is Jim Davis, creator of Garfield.
	How you doing, buddy?
	Love the tunes.
	Thanks.
	I know, it seems to me like they didn't want to fuck with Art because they just knew what kind of trouble he was from the start.
	He does seem like he was...
	Like, if I try to imagine myself being the employer, it does seem like it would be a rather touch-and-go situation with him, wouldn't it?
	Yeah, there's so much stuff with him that there was, you know, accusations going around with the kids and all that stuff.
	He just seemed like a huge, massive liability.
	Well, I think that's a fair assessment.
	I don't really think that it was shock.
	I'll tell you what was shocking to me.
	It was the fact that when Art came back and did Midnight in the Desert, I was very surprised how many affiliates signed up and how quickly they signed up.
	Because it seems to me they would be so gun-shy when it comes to getting in bed with Art Bell.
	They'd be so afraid that, I'm sorry, I just, my wife's Moroccan food is catching up with me from earlier.
	And I'm losing my voice.
	And I'm bleeding from my rectum as well.
	I'm Michael Van Deeven.
	No, that last one, I'm okay down there.
	And at the same time, I'm trying to see if there's a way I can turn off these stupid Skype sounds.
	They redesigned Skype, and everything is terrible now.
	Half of the settings are gone.
	Notifications.
	I don't know.
	It doesn't matter.
	We're about done anyway.
	We've almost done two hours here.
	Do you guys have anything else you want to throw in the hopper here before we call it?
	We're coming up on two hours.
	I guess we're just about done, right?
	Yeah, I think we've covered a few topics.
	Groiper.
	Shut it down.
	Yep, shut it all down.
	Okay, shut it down.
	All right, it's the Gabcast, a podcast about bellgab.com.
	I'm Liberace, and I've been here with Richard Groiper and Chefist.
	Love you all.
	I don't know if I'd go that far, but it's been a lot of fun.
	Take care.
	See you next time.
	Thanks, guys, for coming on.
	Peter.
	Love you.
	Bye.
	You've been listening to The Gab Cast, a podcast about bellgab.com.
	Now get lost.

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