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18 April, 2018

18 April, 2018 ---------- On tonight's show, a whole bunch of cool stuff went down.

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	This is the Gabcast, a podcast about BellGab.com.
	Call us now.
	573-837-4948.
	That number again, 573-837-4948.
	Now, here's the Gabcast.
	Gabcast.
	Hold on, I need to set my noise gate.
	Okay.
	This is the Gabcast.
	It's a podcast about BellGab.com.
	I go by MV on the forum.
	Also, we have the general.
	Hey, buddy.
	Howdy.
	What are you doing?
	And Element 115, how's it going your way?
	Good, good, good.
	How are you?
	You guys, I don't know if you want to say where you're coming from, where you live, where you're doing this show from tonight, or if you just want to give your, if you want to be a little less direct, if you'd like to give your social security numbers.
	I mean, do you want to provide this information?
	I'm just trying to ask you that question.
	It's 512.
	I'm Wesky The Rockies.
	I would just love you to give your social and then say, oh, but I'm a Life Lock customer, so don't sweat it.
	Good fact.
	That actually isn't a bad sales pitch.
	I think I've heard the founder of the company who actually does voice commercials for Life Lock gives his social security number in the commercial.
	But I figure it's probably because people just wanted to prove his company was a load of crap for so many years that they just started hacking him left and right.
	And he thought, you know what?
	What have I got to lose anyway?
	I'm getting five-pound shipments of black dongs from people I don't even know.
	They're being charged to my card every week.
	What do I have to lose?
	Just put the number out there.
	Maybe we'll sell more Life Lock.
	I feel pretty foolish.
	It was probably his wife's number.
	Well, I sure am happy to be here, and I'm happy for everyone that showed up to listen to this show.
	It's just funny sitting here reading the chat room comments.
	Oh my God, here it goes.
	I just got a kick that some people just get that worked up about this.
	That is just funny to me.
	That's amazing.
	And by the way, I hope my noise gate is stopping it, but there is a window AC about three feet away from my face.
	And I will tell you, I did pay for this AC myself, as I do all of my equipment.
	I'm Michael Van Dieven.
	But if it's coming through, just let me know.
	I don't know if you can hear that or not.
	No, my audio is really distorted.
	I don't know why, if that's just Skype or what, but it's all right.
	Well, Element 115, do I sound okay to you?
	Does the general sound okay to you?
	The general sounds great.
	Yeah, I do hear the window.
	Okay.
	Let me fix it.
	Damn it.
	Let me fix it.
	Such complainers.
	They're saying you sound clear.
	Okay.
	Maybe it's just because it's.
	Are we recording this?
	Well, we'll find out later tonight, won't we?
	We will.
	Okay.
	Well, this is sort of the nature of the Gabcast.
	I mean, it's very unusual that we just go right into it and everything is worked out technically.
	I mean, it's almost impossible for things to be entirely worked out from a technical standpoint when A, we haven't done a show in an eternity.
	And B, every show is hosted by different people on different equipment, different setups altogether.
	So you really just never know how things are going to go.
	By the way, I don't know how you do it.
	I don't either.
	I just strap in and hold my nose.
	And sometimes it works out.
	Well, let's hold on to ourselves then.
	By the way, I have put in the request that George Norrie call in tonight.
	I don't know if he's going to do it or not.
	We'll see if he does.
	But I want to talk to him about the potential release of the Art Bell archives.
	Yeah, wouldn't that be great?
	That would be good to know about, yeah.
	Now that Art Bell has passed away, I'm going to go ahead and turn this AC off.
	Now that Art Bell has passed away, I sent a message.
	Now I have to adjust my noise gate again.
	I sent a message to Norrie and I said, look, I mean, this would be just an absolute PR coup if you guys, I mean, because I said you guys have really taken a lot of shit from a lot of people over the years, myself included.
	I'll concede that.
	But, you know, you really could win some points with people.
	I think George Norrie likes to be liked.
	I'm not saying that in a condemning sort of way.
	I think that is human nature.
	People enjoy being liked by others.
	And I don't think George is any exception to that.
	And I think that if they were to release those archives, which everybody wants, particularly now, even I have not listened to an Art Bell broadcast since the second broadcast of Midnight in the Desert.
	That was the last time I heard him broadcast.
	And then once the whole thing went the way it went with that debacle and the way Midnight in the Desert ended, it was kind of just something I couldn't go back to because it felt to me like a sort of reminder of how things once were.
	And then the depression over the fact that they no longer were that way would set in.
	So that's why I didn't listen for all that time.
	But now that he's gone, it's almost got sort of, there's kind of a catharsis to things.
	I mean, I don't mean to say that in a way that suggests that there's any sort of a sigh of relief that art died or anything of that nature, but there's just kind of a releasing of sorts.
	It's like in my position, I saw behind the curtain a few too many times, I think.
	And that's what sort of caused me to have an impression of Art Bell Inc. that I otherwise wouldn't have had.
	And I actually have a lot of regrets that I took those peeks behind the curtain because a lot of people who don't say, for instance, use Bell Gab or know anything about any of the drama that goes on behind the scenes, they don't have any personal interaction in any of this.
	Those people can go on listening to their old Art Bell archives and they can still see everything through exactly the same prism they've always seen them through going back into the 90s and still recapture all those same feelings of nostalgia and warmth and just have a little slice of your youth back as you listen to those shows.
	But when you've seen behind the curtain in certain ways, it can affect your perception of things and that's what happened to me.
	And now that art's now that art's gone, it has sort of, I can't really describe it.
	There's just sort of a it's just like I took a deep breath and I want to go back and hear that stuff again.
	That's cool.
	You should.
	You know, I felt that way briefly, just like you described.
	I felt that way briefly as well, but I got over it really quick.
	I listen to the old shows all the time.
	I would like to pass along this comment, which I believe is vital to this conversation.
	Catsmile in the chat room says, yeah, Belgab raped my ass.
	Carry on Element 115.
	You were saying that you only listened to the first two episodes of Midnight in the Desert and then you just stopped until the debacle?
	Even after that, I didn't listen to anything.
	Isn't that funny?
	The owner of Belgab.
	Yeah.
	You know what's funny is.
	I love the old stuff too.
	Oh, I do too.
	After I felt like I'd seen too much behind the curtain, I stopped coming to Belgab.
	What did you, did you like peek into the windows at my house?
	I'm a little concerned now.
	Tell me more.
	I did not like what I saw in there.
	No, I felt like, you know, I just got, it was like a moth too close to the flame.
	I've never called into Art's show.
	I've never been in any capacity, you know, associated with anything behind the scenes, but everything that happened with Belgab and with all the things behind the scenes and all of the infighting and all of the drama that went on, it soured me a little bit on some of the, you know, some of the shows.
	I didn't want to listen, but I don't know.
	It soured you on Art's show?
	Well, it did because I felt like I, just like you'd said, I'd seen too much.
	Like I saw kind of the drama behind the scenes.
	And, you know, you realize, just as a fan of art, you just listen to his show and you're like listening and you're like, oh, I like this guy, you know.
	And then you see all the drama that was going on.
	And, you know, you can't unsee some things.
	And it did have an effect on all of us, I think.
	You know, one thing that really kept just driving the knife, and I don't know if that's the right term to use, but, you know, when you get a notification, I was telling someone this the other night.
	When you get a private message on Belgab and the email goes out to notify you that you've received a private message.
	Well, as you can imagine, people send Art Bell, not now, I don't think, but in the past, all day long, people have sent Art Bell private messages through Bellgab.com.
	Now, if you look at his account, you'll see he's not logged in since I think last summer, somewhere in there.
	But what he would do is he would reply to these messages people were sending him, but he would do so by clicking, simply clicking reply to the email.
	And since that email was originally sent to him from admin at bellgab.com, that inherently means that email would come to me when he would send it.
	So I was getting all these replies that he would send to people.
	And I swear to God, I told him countless times, you cannot reply to the private message notification.
	If you do, the recipient won't get it.
	I'll get it instead.
	But I would get these, and almost every one of them over the course of the last six to eight months was just him running down Belgab and talking about how we at one time were something he thought that he could appreciate and something that he thought appreciated him.
	But now we've just turned out to be a den of motherless dogs or whatever he would.
	And I got bombarded with those types of replies repeatedly.
	And it's just like, man, that is just so defeating.
	After everything Belgab did to help Midnight in the Desert become a show, after all the enthusiasm, I mean, forget just the logistical help that Belgab provided.
	There was also just the psychic energy of all the excitement of everybody that was a part of Belgab at that time.
	That in itself was a nucleus of energy that was required in order to get that all off the ground.
	It was necessary that there be some sort of quantifiable demonstration of enthusiasm for what was going to happen.
	And Belgab provided that.
	And after all of that, To get just an endless stream of those types of replies from Art complaining about Belgab, that was another, it just kept, like a needle just kept poking me, driving me away, and just pushing me away from that whole universe.
	And I can't explain it from an emotional standpoint, but now that he's gone, there's just something about that event that makes me feel okay about things now.
	Art's a pretty smart guy.
	Do you think he was doing that on purpose so that you would see the messages and pretending that, oh, whoops, I don't know how to run these messages.
	I don't know.
	I guess it's possible.
	Anything's possible, sure.
	But I think the simplest explanation is probably the most likely, and that is that he just simply thought he was replying to people and he wasn't.
	But I've kind of wondered, should I just go back and get all of those replies and forward them on to the people that he replied to just so that they'll know, hey, Art did, in fact, reply to you, especially now that he's gone.
	That would be, for those people, kind of cool to know that they, in fact, did have an interaction with him and he did respond.
	Well, I can understand his feelings, too.
	I mean, there was a lot of vitriol coming out of Belgab after a while.
	I mean, I've been on Belgab since it was Coast Gab, since 2010.
	And there wasn't really hardly any, you know, hate going on towards, not towards art, plenty towards George, but really none towards art back in those days.
	And then once he got involved and once the returns came and went and then came and went, and then the vitriol started up and the hatred started up and the anger started up, I can understand him saying, well, what a bunch of ungrateful bastards over there.
	But what was Belgab supposed to do?
	I mean, what was supposed to happen?
	I don't think there's any fault to lay on Belgab.
	I just think that that's how it went and it's understandable.
	It seems to me impossible that things could have gone any other way.
	First of all, we're talking about the internet where anybody can say anything and there's literally zero consequence to what they say, even if what they say happens to be illegal in some cases.
	So with that sort of lack of restriction and overabundance of freedom, when an event like Art leaving Midnight in the Desert and the way he did occurs, after all the buildup, after all the prior history, after waiting for two years for a no-compete contract that some people debate the actual existence of, which I believe Art, if he said there was a no-compete, I think there was a no-compete.
	Oh, yeah.
	But some people don't even believe that existed.
	I don't have time for some of these people and they're just like, his name wasn't even really Art Bell, okay?
	I mean, they really have some of them have gone off the deep end in terms of just doubting and questioning everything.
	They are most listeners.
	And then there's the theory that people were saying that Art Bell was using Belgab to, you know, for midnight, to set up Midnight in the Desert.
	And I don't know if I believe, I don't want to believe that or not.
	I hope he did.
	I don't mind that one bit.
	It would have been smart to do that.
	He should have done that.
	And I think he did.
	But then to turn his back and start talking, and then all the drama that started after that.
	You know, part of the thing that happened is that MV, your forum is the first of its kind as a forum devoted to art, really, that's unmoderated.
	There was never anything like that before.
	They've all been very, very heavily moderated.
	And Because they all wanted to please Art Bell with the hopes that one day he might submit an animated gif.
	Yeah.
	So I think it must have been shocking for Art to see this unmoderated forum, you know, with just the crazy wild internet just streaming straight into his eyeballs there.
	So that kind of swerves back into the point I was going to make, which is in those circumstances, in that context, with his departure from Midnight in the Desert and how everything went prior to that, everything taken into context, there's no other way this could have gone.
	No, I agree.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And like I was saying the other day, I think that he knew, I think he didn't want to let on he was as sick as he was when he left.
	I think there was a lot going on that we didn't know about.
	And I think I don't really want to believe that he made up the story of the stalker, but I think it's maybe it's like symbolic.
	Maybe it's an allegory that he created.
	I'm not really sure.
	But I don't like to think that he just made up a story to all of his fans.
	I don't believe that.
	I think there really was shots fired.
	I think that there really was an incident.
	That would be such a whacked out.
	I mean, if he made that up, you would be talking about a man who is probably a sociopathic person.
	I mean, he would be mentally insane to make that sort of thing up and to seem to believe it himself with such conviction.
	Yeah, there's no way that.
	I mean, there were police reports.
	That was a real event.
	I think his health was failing.
	I mean, clearly.
	I mean, look what happened.
	I disagree.
	But, you know, I think that...
	Someone says Art was talking to mice.
	Okay.
	Okay, well, you know, all right.
	Talking to mice.
	What does that mean?
	Well, I was making the point about him.
	He would have to be insane to actually believe a lie, a lie that extensive.
	And here's somebody saying, well, he was talking to mice.
	So, okay.
	All right.
	Well, he did see shadow people on occasion.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'll be here explaining your jokes for the next hour, ladies and gentlemen.
	Just go ahead and stay right here for that.
	No, I'm kidding.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, like I do remember the shadow person story where there's that recent one just before he left the show and then the mouse, you know, all that weird stuff that was going on and then the stalker.
	And, you know, so it was a lot of weird stuff going on.
	I think it was almost like he was starting to lose his mind a little bit there toward the end.
	Well, God bless him.
	He's gone now, and I miss him, you know?
	Oh, I do too.
	And it's, I still had, I was, I mean, I'm like, it's almost like I'm an abused wife over here.
	I was still holding out hope that he was going to make one more comeback, right?
	Yeah, I was hoping so.
	I wanted to be able to hear him live.
	I wanted him to come back.
	How gullible am I, MV?
	You know something?
	If Art did go a little bit baddie toward the end, I don't think that's entirely unexpected.
	I've never confronted death like that.
	And being diagnosed with COPD, I don't know when he was diagnosed with it, but Art wasn't a dummy.
	And so when he received that diagnosis and he felt the onset of the physical symptoms, the physiological changes happening inside his body as time progressed, I mean, that's got to have a profound psychological impact on you.
	So who's to say if he maintained sanity in the classical sense, I guess, of the word up until the end?
	Maybe he didn't.
	I don't know.
	I am curious, though, as to why if he couldn't host Midnight in the Desert, why didn't he just come out and say, look, guys, I'm sick and I can't do a show anymore.
	Why not just come out and say that?
	I think that he would have, but he didn't.
	And that's strange.
	He was coherent on Facebook.
	I was a friend of his on Facebook, as I'm sure a lot of you were.
	And he was perfectly coherent there.
	By the way, little Chris asks in the chat if he can post porn on Belgab now that we're no longer running AdSense ads.
	And the answer is no.
	You still cannot post any imagery that is not viewable from an office cubicle.
	And by the way, I've taken a lot of crap from my wife for disabling those AdSense ads.
	And I'd just like, oh, yes, I'd like all of you to know the abuse I have taken from my wife as a result of eliminating Google entirely from Belgab.
	I have even killed Google Analytics.
	They don't even, I just thought, why am I going to give them that data just so I can see how many people visited the forum this month?
	I'm going to let them track every movement of every Belgab user for free.
	Why did you turn off the ads?
	Well, because Google was coming in and demanding that I remove this, demanding that I remove that.
	And in most cases, it was something that made sense because it was either nudity or strategically covered nudity, which is also against their rules.
	But then one day, somebody posted something in a thread that was just a political opinion.
	There wasn't any explicit nudity.
	I think somewhere in the thread there was like a piece of artwork that had, I guess, like kind of what you might call innocent nudity.
	But that wasn't what was cited as the reason that Google was demanding it be removed.
	The demand was being issued because Google deemed the content or the subject matter of that thread to be threatening.
	And it was just merely an expression of a political opinion.
	And after having dealt with this for years now, years, people don't have any idea how many hours I've spent here just dealing with trying not to have to delete your posts.
	Wow.
	And so after years of that, that was the final straw.
	I had already drawn that line in the sand mentally.
	Whenever Google comes to me and tells me that a political opinion has to be removed from the forum, I don't care.
	I don't care how horrible the opinion is.
	I don't care if it's a Holocaust denier.
	I don't care what it is.
	The idea that Google is going to begin determining which ideas can be conveyed on my website in text form, that is the red line.
	So they crossed the red line, and that's when I ended AdSense.
	And I just want you guys to know how much grief I've taken.
	My wife doesn't understand any of this stuff.
	She doesn't really know what Belgab is.
	She doesn't know about any of you.
	She doesn't know about the culture of Belgab.
	She has no idea who Art Bell is.
	She doesn't know about any of it.
	All she knows is there was this check that was coming in every month that no longer is coming in, and she's a little bit pissed off about it.
	So I just want you to know I've taken a lot of grief, and so it would be really appreciated.
	I'm not going falkey on you here, but if you're inclined, it's okay if you don't, but if you're ever inclined to do so, there is a donate button at the top of the Belgab menu at the top of the page that'll offset through your generosity the fact that we're no longer running AdSense.
	So thank you in advance.
	You know, the fact that they were asking you to remove certain things tells me that they have paid goons whose job it is to sit there and read Belgab.
	That's interesting.
	Who is this?
	I'm sorry, I was clearing my throat when you said that.
	I got distracted.
	What?
	Say that again?
	Well, Google was asking you to take certain things down.
	It couldn't have been.
	Oh, no, it's totally on.
	Yes, it's all bots.
	Yes, I swear to God, it's all bots.
	It's some sort of artificial intelligence.
	It's algorithmic.
	It's designed to look for certain keywords.
	Now, I think after the bot detects it, in most cases, or at least some, I know for a fact at least some cases, but probably most, it is then forwarded on to a human who makes a determination.
	A human either makes the determination immediately after the bot flags something, or a human makes a determination once you complain.
	But the problem became twofold when Google altogether removed, at least I couldn't find it, the process by which you contest something.
	So it was horrible.
	I mean, you've got, first of all, a computer is telling you what you can and can't have on your website.
	And then if you want to contest that, if you want some sort of arbiter of whether or not that, in fact, should have been removed, there is no mechanism to do that.
	Yeah, that's Orwellian.
	That's very weird.
	You just remove it, or they're going to remove your AdSense, and you'll be banned forever from AdSense.
	And I thought, well, if there ever is a future in which I want to use AdSense, which at this point it's hard to foresee, the smart thing to do right now is just to go ahead and kill AdSense altogether.
	That way, if I ever want to flip that switch again, at least the door is going to be open.
	But after this experience, I just can't imagine doing it.
	Yeah, that's definitely Orwellian.
	It is.
	It's just hilarious watching my wife.
	I mean, we've all had these interactions with our spouses.
	Those of you listening and those of us hosting this show tonight, we've all, I'm sure, had interactions either with our spouses or with other friends or family members where we find ourselves in the unenviable position of having to explain Belgab to somebody.
	Oh, God, yeah.
	Belgab is like Fight Club.
	The first rule is you cannot talk about Belgab.
	I mean, just today, my wife mentioned to my father-in-law, oh, by the way, Eric is co-hosting a podcast tonight with some friends.
	Oh, tell me about that, Eric.
	How does that conversation go?
	Oh, well.
	Those words have never gotten anybody laid.
	So-and-so, insert name, is hosting a podcast tonight.
	Yeah.
	Not once has Poon been acquired as a result of the inclusion of those words in any communication between human beings ever.
	Not even blow-up doll.
	This is the GADCAST.
	If you want to call in tonight, we really, really want to hear from you.
	And we're not just saying that.
	This is one of the few instances where you're listening to a broadcast of some sort, and the people hosting the show legitimately do want you to call in.
	They're not just giving out a phone number to fill 15 seconds.
	It's 573-837-4948, 573-837-4948.
	If you want to call in to be on the show tonight, I hope George Norrie calls in because I would like another go-around with him because I have to confess the last time he was on this show when I was at the same time was the night that I hosted, Heather hosted.
	Someone else was here.
	I can't remember.
	But I was half-soused and Heather was loaded for bear.
	And George Norrie calls in, and this was just prior to the beginning of Midnight in the Desert.
	And Heather had already by this point been selected as producer.
	So she wanted to prove her metal with everybody.
	And she just wouldn't let George get two words in right away.
	She just began flaming him about how, why do you come around every time RBL starts a new project?
	Why is it that you're doing this?
	It's like, can we just talk here?
	We get it.
	The forum used to be George Norrie sucks.
	We get it.
	We're all Art Bell fans.
	But do we have to really.
	I mean, let's just.
	George Norrie's not a bad human being.
	No.
	I don't view him in that way.
	I used to view him with such hatred.
	I used to have such hatred for him and contempt.
	Think about the pressure he must have been under in the big, big shoes to fill.
	And he's doing the best he can do.
	I think he does a pretty good job.
	Despite my hatred or any judgment or assessment from me, he's still there 15 years later or however many years it's been.
	So he's obviously got his finger on the pulse of something that I don't.
	So I will concede that.
	Yeah, best of luck to him.
	I don't listen to him, but a lot of people do, you know.
	So there you go.
	Trust no one says, not a bad guy, just a dope.
	I used to have such hatred for him, but I think I got over it probably a couple years after Bell Gab started, which, by the way, was 10 years ago on April 5th.
	Wow.
	Oh, you should have had a 10-year anniversary show.
	I just something was in the air.
	You know what?
	I just didn't feel like doing it.
	I wonder if maybe I had a subconscious psychic sense that something bad was about to happen.
	You know, I had a weird feeling for a couple months before Art Bell had died.
	I mean, I just had a weird feeling.
	And also, when he left, I had a strange feeling about the circumstances surrounding why he left.
	Yeah.
	You know, the whole story didn't really add up.
	I wasn't surprised when he died.
	I was COPD can take a really long time.
	It can take a really long time to kill you.
	Like I was telling you the other day about my friend's mother.
	That took 15 years to die.
	She had it for 15 years.
	We don't know yet, but that's why I think he had a heart attack.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, because it's just COPD is just you slowly suffocate, just slowly.
	Right.
	And it can take 15.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I wasn't surprised necessarily, but it's still like, even if you have a family member who's terminal and you know the end is going to come, when you actually get the info that it's happened, just sort of the finality of that, despite the fact that perhaps it was expected, it does leave you with feelings you hadn't anticipated.
	Yeah, it did for me.
	It definitely struck me.
	I was in the middle of a three-day listening binge, listening to old shows when I heard the news.
	I mean, right in the middle of listening to his old shows.
	And it just hit me like a ton of bricks.
	Really surprised me.
	You know, I'm glad Art talked about death in that Gabcast interview he did.
	That seemed like, just instinctively, it seemed like that's kind of a direction this conversation needs to go down.
	I just had that feeling.
	Yeah, he liked talking about that.
	So, I mean, he found that to be very interesting.
	You know, life after death.
	Yeah, he'd always talked about those issues, you know, but then he never really made it personal like he did there in that interview talking about his own mortality.
	Little Chris wants to know, MV, can we get a VIP private thread for paying members?
	The problem with something like that is that the majority of people wouldn't pay for it, and so you'd be in there watching Tumbleweed blow.
	I don't know how much fun that would be or how valuable an item that would feel to you in the course of paying for it.
	Let's go ahead and take a phone call here real fast if we could.
	Hi, you're on the Gabcast.
	Hello.
	Hello, MV.
	George Norrie here.
	How are you?
	Thank you for the invite.
	Is it really George?
	Prove it.
	Prove it.
	Hey, George.
	Prove it.
	Let me say something dumb on the air.
	How about that?
	I know.
	You can tell.
	Hey, George.
	Yeah, see, you know, that's what I like about you, George, is that you're not afraid to just sort of make fun of yourself a little bit.
	And I like that about you.
	And as I was saying prior to your call just now, probably irrationally, I used to harbor such anger and hatred toward you.
	And I think it was not necessarily because of, now that I think back on it in retrospect, it wasn't necessarily because of you specifically.
	It was more because of what your presence on Coast to Coast AM represented, which was just simply the fact that Art Bell was no longer doing the show.
	And I think that no matter who would end up, who had ended up taking that place, that seat, I think I probably would have had similar feelings.
	You know, I think a lot of that was misplaced toward you over the years.
	Let's all sing combined.
	It was tough.
	It was tough.
	And this is even tougher right now.
	I mean, this is a surreal situation.
	When I was on the air Friday night, our producer, Lisa, sent me a private message.
	She said, I think Art's dead.
	And I'm going, God, this is Friday the 13th.
	This is some kind of fake news story that is floating around the internet.
	And I said, I can't go with it now.
	Lisa, you guys have to confirm this for me.
	You know, I'm on the air interviewing guests and things.
	And I said, you've got to get this thing confirmed for me before I go with this story.
	And they were working on it, and they still hadn't confirmed it yet.
	And more and more stories kept popping up.
	Finally, we got a hold of George Knapp, and he said, the Nye County Sheriff's Department has just done a video about this.
	I think he's dead.
	And so we went with the story, and it was MV.
	I was on the air the day my father died.
	That was tough.
	He was 88 years old, and I miss him like nobody.
	And this was tougher.
	I mean, this just hit me on the air in a very surreal way.
	We weren't very close.
	Art and I were not that close.
	But, you know, the fact that he had two young children, a new wife, and was trying to build his life together again, it just hit me in a humanitarian way as one of the saddest stories I've ever had to cover.
	You know, I didn't get teary-eyed at all during this incident, I guess, if you will, until I was reading Belgab and someone was talking about your delivery of the news on Coast to Coast AM and how they could hear the emotion in your voice.
	And that got me.
	I don't know why.
	And I got to say to you, there are people and they know who they are.
	Let's just say people within Art Bell's inner circle who are screaming and scratching and clawing and viscerally lashing out because you had the audacity on a radio show formerly hosted by Art Bell, started by Art Bell.
	You personally were handed the reins by Art Bell because you had the audacity to announce Art's death after the information had already been made public by the Nye County Sheriff's Department.
	I just, I don't, what is that?
	Yeah, that's strange.
	I mean, it was already a public story.
	As a matter of fact, if I had not said anything about it, I would have come across as callous.
	And you name it, I would have been open up to all kinds of words on something like that.
	It was a situation where we had to go with something.
	We're doing his tribute tomorrow night on the show.
	I've got a number of some of his past guests.
	And as we were going through the list, guys, it was amazing.
	Half of Art's great guests have died themselves.
	It's just the whole thing is surreal.
	And I just hope that his family can pick up and move forward and everything's okay with all of them.
	You know, something I don't understand.
	I'd like to know if you can tell me what the origins of this were.
	But it seemed to me, at least from a, I can all, I mean, I'm just like everybody else looking from the outside in in terms of the public relationship as portrayed publicly by both you and art.
	And it seemed like there was a lot more negativity from art toward you than there was from you toward art.
	And I'm wondering, now that he's gone, I think there are things you can probably talk about, if there are, in fact, things to talk about that you couldn't before.
	Was there some event between you and Art personally that caused him to feel this animus toward you?
	Let me say this.
	I will come back at another time with you and talk about some things.
	I don't think it's appropriate for me to say anything right now.
	It's just too soon.
	Please understand that and put yourself in my situation.
	What if I pay Palau 20 bucks?
	Maybe 30.
	Well, 28.
	It's just not the right time.
	That's fair enough.
	That's fair enough.
	Okay.
	You know, this has always been kind of a gossipy type of show.
	I know, I know.
	It's just that the timing is a little awkward for us.
	But I did want to answer your message that you sent me yesterday.
	Please.
	I've got my IT people and Lex, our webmaster, looking into the possibilities of putting the Art Bell library out there.
	One of the issues that we need to address is most of his shows are still on old cassette tapes.
	That's hard to believe.
	Why is that?
	Well, and they transferred them as they needed them for somewhere in time once a week.
	So if we ran a show on Saturday, they would pick a show and put it on CD or into the computer.
	They didn't do the whole library.
	I think it's primarily manpower because there's so many of them.
	And then they had to find them and search for them.
	But I have asked them to do what you had asked.
	And they're trying to figure out when to do it and how to do it to get some of those shows out there for people.
	Well, I know you can't send typically this sort of material outside the confines of your operation, but I have professional ⁇ I mean, I have engineered the vocals for world touring bands in this room, and I have the facilities to aid in this process if I could in any way.
	I doubt you can allow me to help with that.
	But if it's possible and you would like help with this process of dubbing all of this stuff to an acceptable digital format, I'd be more than happy to help with it in any way that I possibly could.
	I'll pass that on.
	They may just make all of them available to the Coast Insiders.
	I've asked them to put a free one on the website if they can do that once a week so people can listen to it.
	And we'll see what happens.
	But trust me, they're going to look into this for us.
	George, how far back do the archives go?
	Good question.
	Oh, my God.
	It's the beginning of time.
	Way back, 96, 93, something like that.
	I mean, it's got to be at least 93.
	I'm thinking even 92.
	I mean, they go way, way back.
	And they're all those scenes and they're scattered everywhere.
	I mean, it's almost like Al Capone's vault, but there are things in it this time.
	Right.
	Well, George, you really are a sport for calling in here.
	And I've got Dan TSX in the chat room.
	Tell George Norrie to shove off.
	I can't tell him that.
	He's being nice.
	I mean, what do you want me to do?
	He's called in.
	We're going to be pleasant.
	And as I said, I don't harbor any ill feelings toward you.
	All these feelings just evolve over the course of years.
	And things that seemed so important and so outrage-inducing at one time, you look back and you're like, you know, my emotions on that were a little bit retarded.
	So you're all right with me.
	We all went through a learning curve.
	I mean, I would get some emails from some Bell Gabbers that were kind of hateful, and I would spout right back to them.
	And then I decided, you know what, George, this is not going to help anything.
	So I stopped doing that years ago.
	And then I just got to the point where I didn't respond to anybody.
	I just, you know, did my thing.
	And, look, I don't feel badly about anybody who shows their emotion.
	But I do hope that they just realize that I was selected to replace somebody who quit and resigned.
	I didn't force him out.
	Morgus in the chat room asks me to bring up the issue of your Art Bell tribute.
	Yeah, Morgus.
	He wants me to bring up the issue of your Art Bell Tribute song played last Friday, but I don't know specifically what he means by the issue of.
	Was there some controversy that you're aware of?
	I don't know what the controversy is.
	It was not, I would not call it an Art Bell tribute song.
	This was a song that we dedicated to art when he retired officially from premiere for the last time.
	And it was cute.
	It was about how he glued his lips shut and all the things that he's done.
	But it was thanks for the memory that I had one of my production guys do.
	And, you know, he was going, thanks for the memory.
	It was cute.
	It was well done.
	We got George to sing on the Gabcast.
	I mean, this is a seminal moment in internet broadcasting.
	Okay.
	George, you had mentioned that you're going to have some of Art Bell's old guests that he had.
	Do you have any idea which ones you're going to have on the tribute show?
	We've got Alan Corbeth, who with art developed Coast to Coast, Ed Dames, George Knapp, Linda Moulton Howe, Danion Brinkley, Rice Zabel, the producer who put art in a movie, Mike Berra.
	We're going to keep the lines open throughout the night so that our listeners can use some of their Art Bell remembrances.
	And I've got lots of Art Bell clips that we're going to use throughout the day.
	Good show.
	Ghostie in the chat.
	I got to get rolling, guys, but I wanted to thank you for the invite, and we will work on the old shows.
	And just the best to all of you, okay?
	Thanks, Betty.
	See you.
	Thank you.
	Bye.
	George Norrie calls into the Gabcast.
	Ghosty in the chat room is like, Envy is Kissing George's ass.
	I didn't offer to now bring my lawnmowing services to his yard.
	We're just talking to the guy.
	Yeah, he's just a guy.
	I don't understand the vitriol.
	Now, well, I do.
	Like you, I was angry in the old days because simply because no one can fill art's shoes for me.
	I was a big Art Bell fan, and then they brought in this guy, like, who's this guy?
	And I gave him a chance.
	I listened, you know, for a while, but he wasn't art.
	And that is George Norrie's biggest sin as far as a lot of old Art Bell fans are concerned.
	And I think it's the same thing that's happened to Heather.
	No one can fill Art's shoes, and she's been put in the unfortunate position of doing exactly what George had to do.
	And she's going through that same vitriol, which I think, frankly, is unwarranted.
	I think that she does a fine job, and I think that she's especially now that Art's gone, basically she's lost her best friend now.
	I tell you, I know that she's really having a hard time.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I really liked John P. Wells when he would fill in.
	He was a favorite as far as yeah.
	Yeah, there's a lot of there's been guest hosts and different people that, you know, George Knapp was good and different people that were good, but nobody is art and no one can fill his shoes.
	And it's unfortunate for George that he had to go through that and now Heather as well.
	And I think that when we're looking at some of the weird things that they're doing, like getting mad about the sheriff announcing the death or getting mad about George doing, you know, anything like that, we're talking about people who are going through extreme grief and they are going through the stages of grief.
	They're in denial.
	And I think that's why they were upset about the Nye County Sheriff announcing the death, is they were in denial and shock.
	I don't think so.
	I don't know.
	There's some speculation that the sheriff stole their thunder.
	I think maybe they wanted to make a show out of it.
	I think so.
	I think they, I mean, I'm sorry if this is the cynic hosting the show tonight, but I think they wanted to be the outlet that made the announcement, and then every subsequent news organization that made the announcement would reference their announcement in the course of delivering the news and thereby funnel some interest into the show.
	That's what I think.
	That's all I can think.
	I mean, it seems like the simplest explanation.
	I've lost family members.
	I didn't start calling people up and flaming them over the telephone and going batshit crazy on Facebook.
	And I didn't do these things.
	But did the sheriff hold a press conference?
	You know, they gave, I think Art passed away 10:30 in the morning on the 13th, and then they waited 24 hours, I think.
	I think the sheriff announced it the next day in the morning, didn't they?
	Yeah, I believe it was the morning.
	Yeah.
	Not sure.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello!
	I'm just over in the new beer.
	Yes, Color.
	Are you east of the Rockies or west of the Rockies?
	He's a wild card line.
	Perhaps.
	So who's this?
	Do we know you?
	My name is Kuwait.
	Kwaid?
	Kuwait.
	Kuwait.
	As in the oil-producing country in the Middle East.
	Well, there are several.
	So what's all this about?
	Oh, Kweef, Kwef.
	Kweef.
	Okay.
	Kweef.
	Yeah, somebody died.
	Well, you know, languages.
	I've been not cognizant of all this goings on.
	And somebody long dead.
	A nationally syndicated radio host just called into a show on which the word Kweef was bandied about five minutes after his departure.
	Really?
	Well, I drank to his departure.
	So what else is happening?
	Well, you tell us what's happening.
	What brings you to the show tonight?
	What's up, buddy?
	Hello?
	Hello, buddy.
	How's it going?
	What brings you to the show?
	I'm having a beer from Aldi.
	This one has a gold label.
	I'm not sure what's going on exactly, but there's a lot of the chatter going on on the internet.
	Well, in my circles, somebody died.
	Who are you trying to reach, sir?
	Who exactly are you trying to reach?
	Who controls the post office right now?
	I've been seeing half-mass flags.
	C. Everett Coop is the gentleman's name.
	E.B. Cooper died finally?
	Jesus, so I can turn in his Everett Coop.
	This is how I know you and I are comparably aged the general.
	C. Everett Coop.
	Okay, buddy.
	So what brings you to the show?
	What do you want to say?
	I just want to stand by right here because I just cracked open this beer.
	It smells pretty good.
	I want to drink a drink to the fallen.
	How about the fallen?
	If it were possible to be able to smell the alcohol over the phone, I think we would be right now.
	Yeah.
	You don't have smell-o-vision?
	This timeline is all jacked up.
	Normally, well, I'll go ahead.
	How is that?
	What did he say?
	It's like a Wiesenhopped or something like that.
	I can hear your brain cells giving up with every sip.
	This is Wiesenhop.
	Cheers, sir.
	I'm drinking a homebrew myself.
	You got to love the internet, huh?
	If you want to be on the show tonight, it's the Gabcast 573-837-4948.
	If someone could just type that in the chat room, I'd appreciate that.
	So where do you think Bell Gab goes from here?
	Do you think it just kind of keeps doing what it's been doing?
	You think it changes in some way?
	I don't think it's going to change.
	I think it'll just keep existing as it is until nobody gives a crap anymore.
	And then it'll just exist in some sort of archival fashion so that your internet history follows you for the rest of your life.
	Well, Bellgab's been constantly changing for 10 years, so I think it'll just continue to do that.
	It's gone under three different names.
	Originally Coast Gab, then George Nori Sucks, then Belgab.
	I think that it was, well, you know more than I do, but I think it was George Nori Sucks first.
	Right.
	It was Coast Gab.
	Yeah, I think so.
	Wasn't it MV?
	It was originally George Nori Sucks because the George Nori Sucks thread at Godlike Productions got deleted.
	And I had owned this domain name, George Nori Sucks, already for at least maybe three years or so.
	I couldn't believe it was available, but it was.
	I bought it.
	Did nothing with it for maybe three years or so.
	And then they deleted that thread, and that seemed like the perfect catalyst to go ahead and start GeorgeNorrySucks.com.
	And since I was running the old Art Bell stream on Shoutcast, that was what I used to, I guess, artificially drive a lot of traffic to the form that otherwise would never have known it existed.
	And that's why it is what it is today, because it's like that network effect.
	You can't get people to come use something when they get there and they see that nobody's using it.
	So you got to have some other mechanism there to serve as the sort of engine to light that initial spark.
	It's like the pilot light on a water heater.
	Once it's going, it's okay, but you got to have that initial.
	Yeah.
	Let's go ahead and add another call to the show here.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Thank you for calling the Gabcast.
	Hey, how's it going?
	Hey, is this Shaftist?
	That's right.
	No, I'm Love Paws Rump in the chat.
	Okay.
	I thought you were evicted Heather.
	I'm sorry.
	No, yeah, I'm Love Paws Rump.
	I just wanted to say one thing.
	Too bad George got off the line because just breaking news happening right now.
	Heather is interested in moving to George's compound in Hawaii now that nothing else is going on.
	I just want to let everyone know.
	Well, I think that's where they're actually storing the Art Bell tapes.
	So maybe there's a connection.
	I'm confused.
	Is this Chefist?
	Yeah, that's Chefist.
	Yes, maybe.
	Oh, but you put a different name in the chat.
	I see.
	Yeah.
	Are you in a grain silo?
	You have like a strange echo, like a steely echo.
	Yeah, I'm in a bottom of a.
	I think a room with cement walls.
	Are you in the suicide toilet room?
	The suicide bathroom from Full Metal Jacket.
	That's what it sounds like.
	That's exactly.
	It's basically, it looks a lot like that, yes.
	Okay.
	Well, so what brings you to the show?
	Do you have any good gossip or any nuggets you want to drop on us?
	Well, I mean, there was just a general sense out there of, you know, trying to keep Erin Bell in everyone's thoughts and to look at it from her point of view.
	I'm just going to throw this out there and then I'll get off the line.
	What woman would let their husband have another younger woman come live and work in their house?
	Just logically.
	Heather's a solid 10 or 12 years older than Aaron, though, right?
	I think you mean younger just in general terms than, not necessarily younger than his wife.
	Well, I mean, I'm just looking at it logically.
	So, hey, honey, you don't mind?
	I have this young lady over here.
	She's going to come live and work with us.
	What are you talking about?
	A 72-year-old man.
	And first of all, and second of all, it's Art Bell.
	And thirdly, I don't know if that's true.
	Is that confirmed that she lives there at the compound?
	I think that's speculation.
	No, I don't know.
	No, it's fact.
	It's speculation because you think because when Keith Rowland messed up and said, I don't remember his exact words.
	Let's just go ahead and cut to the Chase.
	It's fact.
	It's been confirmed.
	By who?
	Chefist, where was that confirmed at?
	It's confirmed.
	So, anyway, there was a leak tape when the stream had went down two years ago.
	Heather Wade herself confirmed it, didn't she?
	No.
	Yes, she did.
	Yes, she did.
	And that's what people in the chat are saying as well.
	And that was my recollection.
	Even Aldous is saying by Heather.
	Do we have the sound?
	Do we have the sound clip of that?
	I just didn't know.
	Morgus says Heather announced the news on Midnight in the Desert a few weeks ago.
	A few weeks ago?
	And when she made the announcement, did she announce that she had been living there for a couple of years?
	Element 115, are you able to hear other.
	It seems like you can't hear us.
	I don't know what the deal was.
	When Heather made that announcement, did she also announce that she had been living there for the prior couple of years?
	Or does she just give the impression that she had moved in recently?
	I don't know.
	Morgus says Heather bought the house next door.
	Don't know if Art owned it before.
	And I think that would be Art's guest house.
	Oh.
	Interesting.
	Well, anyway, that was it.
	Just because she's a female, people have these speculations like, ooh, there's something going on there, you know.
	But that's silly.
	You know, she's hosting the show.
	Yeah, I think so, too.
	I don't understand.
	I don't think there's any weirdness or There's no reason for weird speculation like that.
	That's just that's all it is is speculation.
	I mean, the only thing anybody knows is that she lives in a house on the property.
	That's it.
	That's all anybody knows.
	Anything else beyond that is nothing but pure speculation.
	Yeah, Bork.
	My heart goes out to her.
	I think that she's having a very difficult time, you know, dealing with Art's death.
	I think Art was her mentor and in some ways like a father to her.
	And she was, she's possibly the biggest Art Bell fan on earth.
	I mean, my God, here she is hosting his show.
	And now he's gone.
	I think that she's having a really hard time.
	And anybody that's pro-Heather that wanted to drop her a line of encouragement, I think, would be appreciated.
	If you want to be on the show, the number's 573-837-4948.
	573-837-4948.
	I think I've annoyed MV.
	Well, you haven't annoyed me.
	Why would you think that?
	Well, good.
	I'm glad it could.
	Good.
	Well, no, seriously.
	Why would you think you may have annoyed me?
	Well, because as soon as I said that, it just sounded like you were annoyed.
	No, not annoyed, but I don't echo the sentiments.
	That's fine.
	I don't particularly care for Heather, and I've seen sides of her that I'm not particularly impressed by.
	I mean, I've had phone calls with her where I just told her that I was in an automobile accident and that I can't talk on the phone right now, and my two kids are in the back seat of my car, and she didn't care and wanted to proceed to talk about whether or not I was making people say bad things about her on Bell Cab and didn't even acknowledge the fact that I was just in an automobile accident with my cars, so with my kids in the car.
	So, you know, when you have experiences like that with somebody, my sympathy is more with the broader Art Bell audience.
	Everybody wasn't, everybody listening to this at some point more than likely was an Art Bell fan or is an Art Bell fan, continues to be an Art Bell fan.
	And despite the fact that she may personally know him and may be hosting his show, I think everyone here has suffered a loss in some way as a result of his death.
	Oh, yeah, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	And I've not been impressed, despite whatever trauma may have occurred as a result of his death.
	I've not been impressed with the reaction to that.
	And it just screams low emotional quotient to me.
	It's just so low rent.
	And I'm not at all impressed with that.
	And this is coming from people who definitely view themselves as being in a league above others when it comes to professionalism and broadcasting and that entire universe.
	And taking that into account, it makes what I've witnessed over the course of the last few days all the more egregious.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hey, it's Aldous.
	Hey, buddy.
	I'm glad you called.
	You, of all people, can offer a lot of perspective on things.
	Who's online here?
	Who's on?
	This is MV.
	The general is here.
	Oh, hey.
	Howdy, buddy.
	And also, Element 115.
	Hello.
	How are you?
	Aldous, it's good to hear your voice.
	Well, it's good to hear my voice means I'm still alive.
	Absolutely.
	Yep.
	So what brings you to the show, buddy?
	I can't say for everyone, you know?
	That's the truth, isn't it?
	I know we spoke briefly the other day, but it's a little weird, this phenomena of like this guy that we can get on U7 and listen to somewhere in time and then knowing that he's actually not going to do anything anymore.
	It's kind of weird.
	Yeah, it is.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I'm not a celebrity fucker, but I kind of like the guy.
	Oh, my God.
	Did you listen to the first show the other night, the replay on Monday?
	No.
	Which one was that?
	It was, well, on Midnight in the Desert on Monday, they did a replay of the July 20th show, his first MIT show.
	Yeah.
	The excitement on that night, I can't.
	I remember just standing there holding my phone in my hand, listening to that from the high desert on that night.
	What was it, July 20th, 2015?
	What a moment that was.
	You know, even with the drama that had occurred in the background behind the scenes and whatever grudges this person or that person had against this person or that person, for that moment, that just all was swept away.
	And it was just so amazing to hear that.
	Disco lights were flashing in my brain and graffiti was there whatever was falling from the ceiling.
	I was elated.
	No, I wasn't in Morocco for the beginning of Dark Matter or for the beginning of Midnight the Desert, but I was in Morocco for the beginning of Dark Matter.
	Morgus wants to know Aldous Burbank about the meeting with Art Bell.
	He wants you to talk about it.
	I know you discussed it the other night.
	Maybe if you could bring up some points that don't repeat what you've already said, maybe some more thoughts you had since you were on the show talking about it.
	I'm sure there were things after that conversation with Curtis the other night where you said to yourself, ah, damn it, I wish I would have said this or that.
	Yeah, well, I think my phone dropped off that night, too.
	So you, MV, had asked me for a further description of his compound and whatnot.
	And the one thing that I thought was kind of cool was that when we pulled up, I mean, we definitely knew it was Art's place because he had like a statue of an alien on his freaking porch.
	Is that the one given to him by Rush Limbaugh?
	I think it might have been.
	I think I kind of remember that.
	Someone said Joshua P. Warren owns it now.
	I don't know if that's true.
	And obviously, we could see the radio towers from quite the distance, you know, so, but pulling up to his house, the alien on the porch was kind of interesting.
	Was it the alien, though?
	Was it the one we always saw in his webcam looming in the background?
	I don't think so.
	This was all familiar to me.
	I don't think I'd seen a picture of it.
	It was more like a faux cement look.
	It wasn't like plastic or anything.
	It looked like an actual statue, some sort.
	Yeah, that won't attract any crazies to come knock on your door, will it?
	Right, right.
	But the guest house in question is nearby.
	It's like a short walk away from Art's house.
	And I don't know.
	I think the thing that I wanted to say in terms of like, I don't have like, there's not a lot of interesting details really about visiting art other than I was in fucking Art Bell's house and it was kind of weird.
	Isn't it?
	Yeah, it was actually really weird.
	I felt like I was hanging out with like the smoking man from the X-Files or something.
	Just had he had this odd presence to him.
	Well, also, as you're in there, I'm sure you're thinking to yourself, this is the structure from which all those years of entertainment that I came to love and know and appreciate emanated from.
	Oh, that was weird because he took us into the original Coast to Coast studio, which is actually in his house.
	And he showed us his whole ham setup.
	He actually fired up the ham, did a little bit of talking on it.
	and showed us the old equipment.
	But then he took us to the guest house, which is where he had set up the new studio for Midnight in the Desert.
	And that's where he has the atomic clock and whatnot.
	And I think it was Art that actually grabbed my phone and took pictures of me in front of the digital clock because I was like such a fanboy.
	I was like, oh, yeah, I need some pictures in your studio.
	Did you like refuse to clean the phone in any way?
	Did you laminate it?
	No, but I was going to try to upload it, but I'm having a problem loading images onto Sewer Gab, so I guess that's not going to happen.
	But let's see.
	Here's what I wanted to say, though.
	So I have this thing about Art and Heather.
	Aside from their particular personality qualities, I think that, I got to say this, I think that art comes preloaded with intrigue.
	Yeah.
	And part of that is like almost like a habitual fetish for secrecy.
	So I always felt like to maintain both their friendships, Heather and Art, I kind of like had to honor their requests for secrecy to a certain extent.
	But as much as I can understand it on a personality level, like let's say he's like a celebrity, and so he needs to maintain a buffer between his character and the adoring public.
	I kind of get it on that level.
	But I think like Heather just fell into that too.
	One little example is, you remember how they wouldn't announce the guests until, I don't know, the day of or the night before?
	Yeah.
	Because they were convinced that George Nouri was going to steal guests was the thing.
	Just a lot of little things like that that I think just compounds the speculation.
	Doesn't seem to like really get him anywhere other than further up the road of intrigue, if that was the effect they desired.
	It was part of Art's whole shtick all these years that intrigue.
	That's part of what drew you in as a listener.
	Yeah, I think it's part of the genre that he wanted to, you know, that he's in.
	But on the other hand, Art was such an open person about his private life.
	We knew things about art because Art chose to inform us of those things that we would never know about any other host of any other show.
	Well, only some things.
	He was very, you know, I never heard him talk about his, I think he's got some estranged children and there was a wife previous to Ramona.
	I never heard him talk about any of that.
	I used to be in contact with Vincent, his oldest son, and I still have his contact information.
	I'm going to have to get a hold of him, but I wanted to wait a while.
	And you know what I wanted to know?
	I wanted to know if he and his sister.
	And this is just something I want to know.
	I don't really care who thinks I should want to know this.
	I don't care.
	It's just something I'm interested in is whether or not he and his sister have been in any way at all on any level taken care of in the course of meeting out Art's assets.
	Yeah.
	I want to know that because that's important to me.
	I'm a father of two children, and I'm a fan of Art Bell, the character on the radio, but I would be totally dishonest with you if I pretended that I'm entirely enamored with some of the behind-the-scenes private personal life stuff that I've been apprised of over the years.
	And as a father of two children, when I'm away from my kids for more than about 15 hours, I really start to get anxious, and something feels very incomplete to me.
	And I don't know what the relationship was there.
	I just, you know, it's just speculated that there was some kind of an estranged situation there.
	Maybe they ended up on good terms, and I don't know.
	Who knows?
	You know, towards the end, I'd be more interested to hear that everybody was, you know, emotionally at peace there at the end.
	No, to me, that's important.
	A man should take care of his children.
	It's that simple.
	No, it is.
	I agree with you.
	And I would bet you that that has occurred.
	Be a man.
	Take care of your children.
	I don't care about any of the peripheral issues.
	That's so important to me.
	And to me, that is.
	Did you ever read the article about that?
	And I think it was in a publication called Philadelphia Magazine.
	And Art's son, Vincent, I think his legal name is Vincent Minet, I believe is how that's pronounced, was an employee there.
	I think he worked in the mailroom or something to that effect.
	And that's how the writers of the magazine became aware of Vincent and his relationship to Art Bell.
	And that was how the article wound up being written.
	But I didn't get the impression from that article at all that there had been any reconciliation.
	I have, in fact, quite the contrary.
	And I've spoken to Vincent a few times since the publication of that article, which was in 2006.
	And not only had there not been any reconciliation, but it sounded to me as though any hopes that may previously have existed of reconciliation had been entirely dashed and evaporated.
	But that is important to me.
	It's not important to me.
	It's just something I want.
	It doesn't personally affect me.
	But how many other aspects of Art's life, privately or professionally, do we sit around talking about even though it doesn't directly affect us?
	It's not necessarily our business.
	But we talk about these things anyway.
	We speculate about them anyway.
	That's just human nature.
	And so I am interested in knowing that.
	Aldous, I'm sorry you called in and I'm just flapping at the gum here.
	Do you want to say anything else?
	Well, I will say that I did make some predictions.
	I'm no soothsayer, but as soon as we were done at Art's place, I told Heather, Art wants you to work with him.
	You're going to end up working with this guy.
	And it wasn't too many months went by before she was the producer.
	Yeah.
	Was there talk about that before you went to Sea Hart?
	Was there any talk of Heather possibly hosting?
	No, not at all.
	But I got the sense because when we went into the new studio, Art immediately showed us how everything worked in there and actually sat down, had Heather sit down, put on his headphones and do things like run the equipment and even speak to Keith.
	And I was just like, wait a minute, he's like showing her how to run the studio.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I just had this impression that, and I've been thinking about it a little bit.
	I guess that's really the thing I have to add is in a way, I feel like Art might have had a backup plan.
	And honestly, I mean, this is just speculation.
	I haven't talked to anybody about this, but especially in the last few days, I've kind of been getting the sense that Art knew he was on his way out and he didn't really want to leave Aaron alone in America with no friend or neighbor in the neighborhood, if that makes sense.
	Well, you said when you saw Art, your immediate reaction was, holy shit, this guy is frail.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	He kind of, I think he might have had a corrective shoe and he seemed a little hunched and not quite the stature I expected and just walked like, you know, like shit hurt him.
	It just had that sense.
	Well, and it did.
	He had an awful back, a terrible back and had, I mean, it affected his life greatly.
	Now, do you, do you still, you still talk to Heather, Aldous?
	Well, it's been a little while.
	It's been a little while.
	She was, you know, pretty much in communication with me until about a year ago.
	I wouldn't say we had a falling out, but there was like a slight differentiation of views and how to go about things.
	And I basically gave her some time off.
	And how to go about things, show related, how to go about things?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, give us, what was it?
	What happened?
	What type of things?
	Oh, I would say it had to do with maybe she wasn't ready to deal with some of her issues that involve a lot of the habitual secrecy that she's used to.
	I was kind of more like a, hey, just let it out there kind of attitude.
	I'm a fucking hippie, you know?
	And I'm like, I don't like remembering what I'm supposed to say and what I'm not supposed to.
	So I either can't like discuss things with you at all because, you know, I can't have like our every conversation be some kind of fucking top secret thing, you know?
	Yeah.
	Even in terms of just like some guests that I had like a slight role in helping her find and things like this, I was just like, so I can't talk about any of this shit.
	And I must say that I feel like that's just like some personality traits that we didn't really see eye to eye on.
	And we were never like argumentative or in any way romantically involved or anything like that.
	So like we didn't really have any personal disagreements.
	I felt like it was just like more her style and stuff that I couldn't quite get with.
	But she was able to visit me from time to time.
	And so, You know, I would like to think that at some point we'll probably do that again.
	There's nothing really standing in the way of it.
	You know, Aldous, I think Heather has taken a lot of criticism.
	And I think that that has only served to kind of feed that secrecy desire even more and make that even worse, you know, in her mind.
	Do you agree with that?
	Do you think that a lot of that criticism has affected her negatively?
	Oh, yeah.
	I think it brings a lot of like too much self-awareness behind the mic.
	Yeah, that's unfortunate, man.
	You can tell.
	I mean, there were a lot of instances where you could just tell the frustration in her voice when she's doing the show.
	I wouldn't want to be in her position.
	And I think she's got guts, man.
	You know, to do what, to take on what she has taken on, I don't think any of us would want to do that.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And then part of that whole thing with, I guess what I would refer to as like the kind of like secrecy fetish, trying to insulate yourself, I think it kind of comes across on air that she's almost too presenting.
	It feels like she's not giving her audience full confidence.
	And it makes it hard for her.
	Because of what they might react like.
	And, you know, Belgab has something to do with that.
	I'm pretty sure.
	I mean, I know, as a matter of fact, that she was pretty sensitive to shit that would be posted about her.
	So if you're actually caring too much about that, it's like reading your YouTube comments.
	It's just going to make you fucking crazy.
	And it's going to inhibit your performance.
	Yeah.
	And I think that was like the source of a lot of Belgrab criticism is that she didn't sound like she did on the Gabcast.
	No.
	No.
	I think she's the type of personality that's...
	Hold on.
	I think she's the type of personality that's highly susceptible to external influence.
	And I was saying to somebody the other day that I think if she went over to England, after about two weeks, she would be calling back to her family, hello!
	Hello, Govna!
	How are you?
	All right, that's it.
	You know, I mean, it just seemed to me that you can't, how can you, I mean, we all heard her on the Gabcast for all of that time, and now we hear her hosting the show.
	And to my ears, it sounds as though she's doing the best impression of Art Bell, his intonations, his inflections, his mannerisms that she can.
	Yeah, well, like it was just said here.
	I mean, she changed radically between GabFest and when she started producing the show.
	It was just a radical change.
	It's like you've got, if you're going to do this, you have to have a kernel, a nucleus that is just you, that remains that.
	You have to be able to be yourself.
	That's impervious to external influence.
	And you have to be okay with exposing that to people.
	And you have to be comfortable with the fact that some people are going to hate you and never appreciate what you're doing.
	It's like life.
	When you go to work, you have people in the workplace who just don't fucking like you.
	There's no reason for it.
	You can't quantify it.
	It just is.
	We have these personalities that God gave all of us.
	If you believe in a higher deity, whatever the mechanism is that puts that there, we all have it.
	And some of them don't work well with one another.
	And once you accept that fact, you'll be a lot more comfortable with yourself and you'll be a lot more appealing to the people who do appreciate and are congruent with your personality type.
	Relatability, that's such a radio 101 word.
	No one wants to mention it.
	Relatability.
	Do you think what's happening on that show could be described as relatability?
	I think she's doing the best she can.
	Well, I'm not asking that, though.
	Does anyone think that that's relatable?
	What's happening on that show?
	I don't hear relatability on that show.
	And okay, everyone is doing the best they can.
	But I don't hear relatability when you wall yourself off and pretend you don't know all these people that you routinely communicated with for years and you don't acknowledge your past in any way whatsoever.
	That's just weird.
	And that's not relatable.
	And then when you I'm sorry, I don't mean to, I'm not jumping down your throat there, the general.
	I'm just kind of worked up about it, I guess.
	And I shouldn't be because I don't have any investment in it, but I don't hear relatability on the air.
	And when you don't have that, it seems like such a just radio 101 ingredient to putting on a good show.
	Relatability.
	People have to hear something in you that sounds like, okay, yeah, this person is on my level.
	They're talking to me, not at me.
	Yeah.
	That's famously Art's advice.
	Anytime anyone asked about being in radio, his advice always was, be yourself.
	You know, and that's hard to do.
	It can be hard to do, especially when you feel like the eyes of the world are upon you and there's a lot of haters picking apart every little word.
	But that's, you know, that was famously, that was his advice.
	And that's, you know, I've taken that to heart.
	I try to do that on my podcast, and I think it's helped me.
	I try to do my podcast like no one's listening.
	Yeah.
	And it's hard to do.
	I would describe it like this.
	You know how they say, like, it's been mentioned, I heard Don Imis mention it when he did his like retirement sign-off, how he just goes in the studio and acts like he's talking to one person.
	Yep, there you go.
	Well, my feel for it is that Heather is going in there and acting like she's talking to a lot of people and she kind of wants to please them all.
	Yeah.
	And maybe that's where you don't get the relatability.
	Maybe it doesn't sound like she's actually talking to you.
	And there's also this aspect of trying to protect art's legacy a lot.
	Maybe too much.
	And that kind of makes it hard to make your own, to even have your own style.
	That's kind of like the sense I get in terms of the shift between how she sounded on Gabcast and how she sounds on Midnight.
	It's just cleaned up too much for a broader audience.
	Well, I don't know about cleaned up.
	I think it's just, I don't know, you can sense the frustration and I get stressed just listening to her and then I get stressed out.
	It's like, do you know what I mean?
	It's just she seems very, it's hard to explain, but very stressed out.
	And then like getting mad at callers and, you know, just doesn't feel like it.
	Overly self-aware is how I think of it.
	Yeah.
	When you're self-aware.
	Which is why she's always coming, often coming from her own point of view as a witch and whatnot.
	It's like she's coming from her own point of view almost too much.
	And most of us can't really relate to that.
	Art was more like every person, like almost everybody who heard them felt like they were listening to a friend or an uncle.
	Right.
	Just a different talent.
	Yeah.
	When you host shows that are themed, call in tonight and tell me tonight why you don't like me now.
	How do you think?
	I mean, if you are that lacking in just human perception, the broader understanding of how people think and how people see things, and you're going to do that.
	That to me speaks to the broader picture of why what's happening on that show just doesn't work.
	Well, it's this negative feedback loop of criticism and then her reacting to it.
	And if she could break that and just stop listening to criticism and just be herself, I think that she really has the potential to be an incredible talk show host.
	And I think that she already does a better job than I could do.
	I disagree with that.
	Well, that's.
	You host a show.
	I think you are.
	And I don't just hand out compliments because, look at me, I'm so nice.
	Check this out.
	I'll say something nice to that dude and that dude.
	Everyone's going to feel good in just a moment.
	Just stand by.
	I don't do that shit.
	You are a great host.
	And to have been able to step into your podcast, the fret files the way you did and just out of the gate.
	Wow, this is a natural.
	This guy's a natural.
	So don't give me that.
	She's doing better than I.
	No, I'm sorry.
	I appreciate that, but I do it twice a month.
	It's an hour twice a month, and it's not live.
	And I don't have a national, you know.
	Catch Smile says MV wants into the sky's pants.
	Anytime, buddy.
	Come on down.
	The general's willing to give me the D. That's all he's saying.
	I'm able to do my show.
	I'm able to do my show and not think about people listening because I don't have many listeners, and it's a niche, niche, niche show about guitar repair.
	I mean, nobody cares.
	But you're good at it.
	Heather has a nightly live show with exponentially more listeners than I have.
	And I would be stressball if I had to do that.
	I tell you what.
	Yeah.
	I'm not gay.
	The chat room says Envy might be gay.
	I'm not gay.
	I just occasionally enjoy the company of a nice gentleman.
	I'm Michael Vendeeva.
	That's what we call bi-curious.
	Technically speaking.
	Chef has mentioned earlier that Rosegirl needs to call in.
	And I was going to mention that.
	You and MV and Rosegirl have to discuss some things.
	Hey, we were talking about data.
	Heather doesn't only have.
	Hold on.
	Heather doesn't only have 1,200 listeners chat room.
	That 1,200 measurement is concurrent at the moment that snapshot was taken.
	But if you could see how many individual people came and went over the course of a show, it would be significantly higher than 1,200.
	Oh, yeah.
	She's got thousands and thousands and thousands.
	Hey, so having offered a certain amount of criticism in terms of style of Heather's show, I got to tell you all this.
	I think it's freaking awesome that she's doing it.
	She's living next door to Aaron.
	I mean, there is something like totally strange.
	I'm over here like, what the hell?
	Like, I don't tune in every night, but when I do, I still get this weird thing about like, what the fuck?
	Heather is hosting this show?
	I mean, it's kind of freaking awesome.
	I had conversations with her five years ago about how badly she wanted a job in radio, and she was trying to make that happen, you know, and I think that, well, she used to be on my podcast, and she did a great job, but she really, really wanted a job in radio, and boy, she sure got it.
	I think it was that wish machine.
	Yeah, right.
	I mean, maybe it's not coast-to-coast level, you know, terrestrial radio, but it's, but it's, it's a big show, man.
	And that's what she wanted, and now she's got it.
	A couple of people on Bellgab said that the show has lost all of its terrestrial radio affiliates.
	Is that true?
	I didn't know it had any.
	I thought it was just a stream.
	Someone told me that it has lost the Ontario Indian Reservation affiliate that it had.
	Yeah, it lost all the terrestrial affairs.
	I think I heard that.
	I heard that was true, but I'm not sure if that's because Art died or if they just decided to carry it for a month and drop it or not.
	I think there is a micro FM transmitter on the top of Fort Rock that transmits her show to surrounding flora and fauna.
	Hey, so guys, I don't want to drive in reverse here too much, but tell me this.
	So I hear that Nouri called, you guys?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but you're called more important.
	I've moved on.
	I'm sorry.
	MV asked her.
	Nuri called.
	He was the first caller.
	What?
	So did you guys notify him that there was a gab cast and invite him to call?
	Or did he just call it?
	Yeah, I asked him to call last night.
	All right.
	Well, that's cool.
	Good for him.
	Yeah, it is good for him.
	He's called before.
	He's talked to MV several times on the Gabcast.
	Yeah, and he also mentioned he's going to be calling again to go over some things later on when it's a better time to do it.
	More gossipy things I wanted to get into, but I can understand why perhaps now wasn't the time.
	Yeah, yeah, I agree.
	Isn't that funny how George has this tendency to be able to step up like a real person when in a way you just don't expect that he has the capability to do it?
	I saw that in him quite some time ago, and I just don't harbor the hatred I once did.
	You can't go on hating something or someone with those viscerals with such visceral levels of emotional energy in perpetuity.
	It eventually has to fade.
	It eventually erodes.
	It has to.
	That's just the natural order of things.
	You can't hold on to that forever.
	Well, you hated the idea of George Norrie, and then you were introduced to the humanity of George Norrie, and you thought, oh, this guy's not such a bad guy after all.
	And that's understandable.
	I mean, that's totally, you know, at least that's what happened to me.
	I don't even know that it was the calls that made me say, he's not such a bad guy after all.
	It was just the natural evolution of emotion relative to time.
	You just can't hold on to that, especially when it comes to the emotion being related to something that's actually so inconsequential as it relates to your own personal life.
	Who hosts a radio show?
	Okay.
	The original host of the show himself doesn't seem to give too much of a shit.
	Why am I all worked up here?
	Yeah, I practically like Dick Cheney by this point.
	I mean, I've kind of gotten over it, you know?
	All this.
	I go hunting with him.
	Okay.
	So Aldous, I was reading earlier.
	Do you think it says here the she can't turn on the gear theory about Heather?
	About her.
	Not doing this.
	Not at all.
	I happen to know that that's all been worked out and Art played a minimal role.
	Yeah.
	I assume that he was listening from time to time, but probably not always.
	Yeah.
	I had enough communication with them post her becoming the host that I know she was pretty capable in Art Studio.
	Little Chris asks, MV, do you plan to re-subtitle Bellgab in honor of Art Bell?
	No.
	It's just going to stay Belgab and it'll be what it is.
	What are you going to change it to?
	Art Gab?
	Maybe I'll put a little picture.
	This was suggested by Mr. Fidget at one point that I put a little picture of a bell next to the Bell Gab thing and just make it all the more confusing as to what in the hell this place is so that when you people try to explain it to your spouses, you'll look at them lovingly in the eyes and point with your palm opened toward the ceiling.
	See, honey, there's a bell right there.
	What more questions do you have?
	No gab.
	See?
	Yeah.
	Well, I think we have to modify the mission statement now from a forum about a radio show which no longer exists to a forum about a radio show which no longer exists of which the host is now dead.
	Something like that.
	That's pretty long, though.
	It's sad.
	It really is longer than that, but I don't feel like going through the mental gymnastics to assemble the syntax of it all.
	So no.
	Okay, Aldous, you got anything else?
	No, I'm out of here, guys.
	Thanks, buddy.
	Well, there's nothing wrong with that.
	That's why we're living.
	Thanks, Aldous.
	Get here, Aldous.
	Okay.
	See you, buddy.
	That's Aldous Burbank from Bellgab.com.
	That's a good dude right there.
	Yeah, you know what?
	He's kind of one of those people that make you say, or at least me, cause you to be a little bit introspective and say, you know what, I'm a little more tightly wound maybe sometimes than I ought to be.
	Yeah.
	Some people weren't necessarily buying into the story, but I think he sounds sincere.
	I think he sounds like a good guy.
	Weren't buying into what story?
	The story about when he was talking about Heather earlier, about going down there at the house.
	No, that really happened.
	I didn't grab the exact text that they were saying in chat.
	No, he's on the level.
	He's on the level.
	I wanted to know if he got to see Art's parts while he was there, because if I went to Art's house, that would definitely be one of the questions I would ask.
	Yeah, I would have asked that as well.
	That would be interesting to see.
	I'd snag that fax machine and be on my way.
	You would, I know you would.
	You'd stuff that thing under your jacket.
	This is the fax machine that produced.
	I think I would probably rather have that fax machine than the actual microphone that Art used to do the show on.
	Just such a, I mean, the microphone was very rarely, if ever, referenced on the show.
	But the fax machine, the famous fax machine was discussed almost nightly.
	In fact, it was responsible for the Area 51 pilot.
	His supposed girlfriend sent Art Bell a message via fax.
	Right.
	And that's how Art got the phone number to call the guy who was supposedly in the airplane over Area 51.
	Yeah.
	I was talking to my father-in-law earlier today about that call.
	He'd never heard it.
	He doesn't.
	He's not an Art Bell fan.
	He doesn't listen to the show, but he worked.
	Let's just say he worked in Nevada for the government.
	And he was laughing about all of that.
	Like, yeah, yeah, right.
	Yeah, they got aliens there.
	Right.
	That's just what they're doing.
	Right.
	Well, if aliens have visited Earth, I mean, first you've got to answer that question and plant a flag in terms of what your beliefs are there.
	Have aliens visited the planet?
	If you push the yes button, then the question becomes, have they ever crashed or otherwise remained on the planet after arriving?
	If you press the yes button once again, then the inevitable conclusion becomes they are in fact being stored somewhere then.
	If they're being stored somewhere, why not Area 51?
	It's one of the most inaccessible locations in the world.
	But you have to go back to that initial question and answer it first.
	Yeah.
	And I don't know about you guys.
	Well, I think I've heard you talk about this MV, but I'm not even really all that interested anymore in these kind of topics, aliens and paranormal.
	You know, it's kind of been played out.
	I was intensely interested in it in the 90s, you know, when I was 20 or whatever.
	Yeah.
	But I just like art.
	You know, that's why I listen to his old shows because he's like an old friend of mine, you know, even though I never even talked to the guy, never met him, don't, you know.
	But those shows, he was so personable on the air and just his voice.
	I just don't give a shit about the paranormal, but, you know, that's why I don't listen to Norrie.
	I don't listen to any paranormal shows, really.
	But I listen to the old art shows because he's like an old friend.
	Yeah, it brings you back.
	And the thing that we were talking about the other day is that nowadays you can just do a quick Google search and debunk most of the stuff.
	So, I mean, the magic is lost because of the internet.
	Back in the 90s, you weren't able to do a quick Google search and say, oh, this guy's full of shit.
	You can use your imagination a lot back then.
	I still love the paranormal, but like you said, it just, the flair is lost because of the internet.
	You're sitting on the couch and someone says, who directed that movie?
	Hold on, honey.
	I've got the sum total of human knowledge in my pocket.
	Let me get that answer for you.
	Here we go.
	Steven Spielberg, why?
	Yeah.
	So, yeah, the cachet has been sucked out of it all.
	The mystery is gone.
	Isn't that bad?
	I'm glad you, well, I'm not necessarily glad, but you mentioning this jogs my memory to swerve back to something somebody mentioned in the chat room.
	MV should have been given that show.
	I'm telling you right now, that would have been an impossibility because I am so uninterested in probably 90% of the subject matter discussed on that show.
	I could not imagine myself sitting there night after night pretending to be interested in goblins and such.
	I would be totally faking it.
	It would be phony.
	And in order to rectify the situation, I eventually would have to wind up doing an entirely different sort of broadcast, which in itself would cause more problems.
	It would never have been possible.
	You're listening to Goblins and such with Michael Bandevan.
	I'm proud of myself for that.
	When people were asking, what should the name of Art's new show be?
	I think this was in the run-up to Dark Matter, and I suggested Goblins and such with Arthur Bell.
	That's one of the, I think, one of my funnier moments on the forum.
	I'm going to give that one a 7.9.
	I still laugh about that.
	Arthur was a nice touch.
	That's another obstacle.
	Keith, I didn't get along with him from the first moment.
	I can't say I didn't get along with him from the first moment I spoke to him, but I could definitely tell there was an absolute incongruity in our personalities within the first five seconds of speaking to him on the phone.
	Yeah.
	Well, I know this has been mentioned before, but a lot of us feel, and I especially feel this way.
	My life would be radically different if it were not for Art Bell.
	And that is astonishing to think about.
	And I didn't really realize it until he passed away and some other people were talking about it.
	But my God, my, there's been things just because of meeting you people.
	MV, I wouldn't be a podcaster.
	And isn't that life-changing for you?
	Well, it is.
	And I'll tell you why.
	The butterfly effect.
	That podcast enabled me to leave Seattle and move back home because I had a national clientele with my guitar repair business that I didn't have before the podcast.
	And that's because, indirectly, because of Art Bell.
	I live in a house right now in my hometown that I wouldn't live in if I hadn't joined Bellgab and hadn't answered your call about needing podcasters.
	So what you're saying is your family owe their lives to me.
	Yes.
	And we will be sending a check as you can expect it next Thursday.
	And that's the Gabcast.
	Thank you.
	I feel like everything is interconnected.
	I think whatever you were supposed to do, you got there because of that pathway with the Gabcast, with Bell Gab and meeting everybody was all your pathway where you were supposed to go to do the guitar repair work.
	It couldn't have happened any other way, I guess.
	But it's just amazing how that all kind of sorts out.
	And then it's all because of a talk show host who I've never met and he's never seen my face.
	Do you know what I mean?
	It's a strange, it's a strange thing.
	Yeah, I kind of went into some of that the other night.
	All of the things that are seemingly unrelated to Art Bell, his existence, his radio show that exist in my life that otherwise wouldn't.
	I wouldn't have met my wife.
	I wouldn't have a business.
	I wouldn't have.
	Now, that's not to say I wouldn't be married and I wouldn't be doing maybe a different something in terms of business enterprise, but the fact of the matter is, your life goes in certain directions as a result of seemingly inconsequential events or items that you're exposed to or people that you're exposed to or ideas that you get exposed to.
	Yeah.
	Chefist wants to know in the chat if my wife gave permission for Heather to move in next door.
	That did not happen.
	No.
	Hank says I would be driving a truck in Iowa.
	I actually did that for quite some time.
	Hi, you're on the Gabcast.
	Hello.
	Hi, this is Lug.
	And I'm wondering if there are any recordings going back to 1988 when Art started.
	I've never been presented with any.
	The earliest I think I've heard is 92.
	Yeah, it's the same here, early 90s.
	Yeah, they have to exist somewhere there.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	This is like cruel.
	Is it?
	Yeah, they have to exist somewhere.
	Yeah, turn your speakers down, please.
	Extinguish the.
	Oh, yeah.
	I got to turn my Amateur rally.
	Good grief.
	Extinguish your device.
	Yeah, White Crow, thanks for calling.
	What do you have to say, sir?
	Stimulating.
	He's still there?
	No, he's not.
	He's gone.
	Remember how George used to say that all the time whenever a guest would try to extract a little bit more out of a caller?
	And George would just sort of ambiguously say, oh, he's gone.
	He wouldn't say, I've hung up on him.
	I threw him in.
	I cast him into the ether.
	He would just say, oh, he's gone.
	Let's try it again.
	Hi, you're on the gab cast.
	Hello.
	This is Annie from Alabama.
	Hey, buddy.
	I don't think that you are looking at it the way it should be.
	You know, there's very important things.
	I'm from Alabama, and my name is Ho.
	What's that now?
	What was the name?
	His name was Ho.
	Are you the call screener?
	No, you're on the air, sir.
	Thank you for calling.
	What would you like to discuss?
	I hate that you are assuming my gender that I am any.
	Well, we are remiss in that regard because science has now proven there are 63 genders.
	And so our presumption, I hope, will be forgiven.
	Okay, you go right ahead.
	Well, you know, George, I think I have the right number now.
	My name is Annie.
	Anyway, it doesn't matter where I am from.
	You said Annie.
	I'm holding my back perhaps.
	Are you tracking me through this thing?
	Caller, before we put you on the air, we need to ask a few questions.
	Have you had any relations with any siblings?
	Well, I don't know about that.
	Sexual nature.
	Well, we need to.
	Where I'm at right now, I'm talking about different things, and you're talking about different things.
	I just want to say y'all are getting it all wrong on your genders.
	I did not have sex.
	Oh, he's gone.
	He's gone.
	If you want to be on the gab cast, the number is 573-837-4948.
	I should block certain numbers rather than just hanging up on them, but I think my philosophy is, well, maybe they'll get it right next time.
	You know, why do that?
	Let's just keep taking chances and see what happens.
	Well, I'm kind of out of steam.
	I don't really think there's a whole lot of additional subject matter, at least in terms of what I have top of mind.
	Do you guys have anything else you want to bring to the show?
	Or do you want to go ahead and flip the switch?
	Well, one thing that I was thinking about that I would like to say, in fact, I remember in particular one instance when Robin Williams died, I found it astonishing how personal people were taking it.
	You know, people who'd never met him, people who were just fans of his movies, you know, just fans of characters that he had played.
	And I found it absurd.
	I didn't understand, it's not like, I mean, it's one thing if a, maybe even more understandable if a musician dies and you've connected with their music and you're sad to see them go.
	And I understand you're sad to see Robin Williams go or somebody like that.
	But I couldn't understand why Art's passing affected me the way it did until I thought about it a little bit in retrospect.
	He was, it's just the nature of talk radio.
	You've brought someone basically in into the room with you who's having a conversation with you and being really, I think that he was really himself on the air.
	And you got to know this guy.
	And it was for hours at a time.
	You know, in the old days, he was on his show would be four or five hours long.
	And you really got to know this guy.
	And so, you know, it was like an uncle passing away.
	It was a, it's, it's, it was, I really felt like someone I knew had died.
	Henstone says when Robin Williams died, he couldn't fap any longer.
	Did anyone else have a similar experience?
	That's unfortunate.
	Robin Williams owes me more movies.
	I definitely agree with that, what you're saying.
	I mean, it was just like it is a friend, you know, just like losing somebody close to you.
	You know, it's just, like you said, the nature of radio and just how he's how he talked.
	And, you know, that's the power of talk radio, man.
	It's a powerful medium.
	It really is.
	Yeah.
	They say that when you are listening to somebody speak, you are more readily able to detect deception and just generalized bullshit than you are when you're watching somebody speak to you.
	There's something about just audible communication where all of the senses are dedicated to what you're listening to because there is a lot of additional synapses have to fire in your brain in order for it to put the pieces together in terms of matching audio and the visual image together of what it is you're taking in and making sense of it all and presenting it to you as one cohesive,
	coherent package.
	Whereas when you're only listening to something, it frees up part of your brain that otherwise would be consumed.
	I guess that's the best way to summarize that.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Thank you for calling.
	I love you, MB.
	This is White Crow.
	That's a real mystery.
	I have a real mystery.
	I want to know where Papo is.
	The last time we heard of Papo, she was in Bateman's apartment.
	Papo is in New Guinea, sir.
	I don't know.
	I think the more appropriate question is, does Bateman own a steamer trunk?
	Let's get the answer to that question.
	Yeah, something's going on.
	And where is Bateman?
	I don't know.
	All these questions will be.
	I don't know either.
	It's a mystery.
	I think we should collectively work on it.
	Yeah, I haven't heard from Bateman for a long time.
	I haven't even posted on the forum much for years until Art's passing.
	So I'm not really up to speed on the goings-on over there.
	Maybe I'll start back up.
	Okay, well, it was certainly fun being here with you guys tonight.
	And I'm glad that you took the time out of your lives to be here.
	And the general, Eric, you and I have been corresponding online for years now.
	And we've never done any sort of thing like this with one another.
	So that's pretty cool.
	It's sort of a special moment for us and for everyone else to be here and be a part of it.
	I've really enjoyed it.
	In Element 115, it's always fun to talk to people that I've never spoken with before and associate a voice and a personality with the screen name.
	So thank you to you for being here doing this as well, taking your time.
	And you did a great job, both of you.
	Thank you.
	Excellent.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for having me.
	Really excited that George called.
	And I'm looking forward to the tribute show that he's going to be coming out with, too.
	Yeah, I'm gonna check that out myself.
	When is that?
	Tomorrow night?
	Yeah, I think it's tomorrow night.
	A lot of good guests are gonna be on there, and Linda Moulton has it, and many others.
	Cat Smile says, MV likes talking to strangers.
	If you had two cats at home that wouldn't stop barfing on the floor, you'd want to be at the office as well.
	Okay?
	I was so happy we finally found a home to give these two cats to the other day.
	And it turns out they just got all weird when they went to this lady's house.
	So we had to drive all the way up to St. Louis and get these overgrown rats and bring them back to our house.
	I thought I was free and clear.
	No.
	I don't know what we're going to do.
	No, I'm not.
	I don't enjoy living with cats.
	I get it.
	I'm an Art Bell fan, so I should want 35 cats in my home spreading kitty litter everywhere, making my bed just unusable.
	You have to pretty much get a Hoover on the bed every night just to make sure there's no kitty litter there bothering you before you go to bed.
	It's horrible.
	I respect cats as animals, but they don't make good indoor pets.
	Let's just say that.
	No.
	Anyway.
	Multiple cats.
	You guys have a good night.
	Thanks for being here.
	Thanks for listening, everybody.
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	Bye, everybody.
	See you at bellgab.com.
	Thanks for being here.

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