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	This is the Gabcast, a podcast about BellGab.com.
	Call the show now at 573-837-4948.
	That's 573-837-4948.
	Now, shut up, sit down, and listen to the damn show.
	Remind you to the Gab Cat.
	Tonight is an episode to honor Art Bell, who, as everybody has probably heard by this point, passed away.
	And what better way for Bell Gab and Gabcast to honor somebody who's been an important part of the history of everything that's connected us together.
	Lord Grantham in the chat room says it's a sad cast.
	And yes, you are totally right.
	The chat room is full.
	If you're listening to this on TuneIn, go to ufoship.com slash chat.
	You can go to Discord.
	I'm sure there's channels out there still.
	I know mine is up and running with it.
	Go to bellgab.com.
	There's plenty of live threads happening about everyone's feelings of what's going on.
	And again, tonight, while I'm connecting us, I'm sure we're going to hear from lots of people.
	And share your stories about what brought you to listen to art, why he was so great at what he did, and just, you know, the effect of it, I think, would be a good thing.
	And you're right, Troy Still, we should be celebrating his life.
	And that's why this episode is in honor of him.
	So let's get right to it.
	If you want to call us, you can do that at 573-837-4948.
	That's 573-937-4948.
	Or if you want to use Skype, which is the best way to call in with the clearest sound, would be search for ufoship.com and you'll find the account there.
	You might have to send a request to connect.
	I'm going through those right now to approve everybody that I can to get you in.
	But go ahead and give us a call and let us know how art affected you and how the news today has made listening to old episodes that much more special.
	Oh, look, we had somebody try to call and then drop for some reason.
	So we'll see what happens here.
	But I can start us off tonight by saying that I was late to join the Art Bell fandom.
	He was already in his semi-retirement and doing just the occasional episode.
	And let's see here.
	Okay, I got a call here.
	And with that, I unfortunately had to listen to a lot of the episodes on the streams that were played by people who were gracious enough to share those old episodes.
	And I mean, I got connected to Coast to Coast through that.
	And I listened to George Norrie too.
	But mainly art, of course, had the magic of the night that made everything come together.
	I just devoured all those old episodes as I played on streams and loved every moment of it and became very quick, quickly well-versed in what it meant to be an Art Bell fan.
	And let's see here.
	Let's go ahead and bring our caller on the line.
	All right, Carler, are you there?
	Yes, I'm here.
	All right.
	Who do we got?
	This is Damon.
	Hey, Damon.
	What's going on, man?
	This is definitely kind of sad because of R. Bell passing away because I've been listening to him about since 1995, and he's always been a rock pretty consistent.
	So this probably is hitting me a little harder than anybody else passing away.
	So it's kind of definitely sad.
	There's tons of good shows out there I listen to on Coast to Coast and Middle of the Night.
	So I'm definitely sad.
	And it's definitely hitting me a little harder than I expected.
	Yeah, it's definitely tough because of the intimate way that art brought radio and amazing, fantastical stories right to your radio every night and made it feel like you were sitting there with him hearing this story.
	It's like a fireside chat almost.
	Yeah, it's like the ultimate ultimate campfire or beater of the mind or whatever example you wanted to use.
	But it was one of those things one of those constants in my world basically for a long time.
	So it's definitely hitting me a little harder than I expected.
	I know there's a lot of people that talk the exact same way about art.
	So I'm going to let a lot of callers call me and stuff.
	I was trying to give you guys my two cents on this because it definitely was a sad day when I when I was definitely a sad day when I found out about it and stuff.
	But it's like early this morning when I found out I didn't hear about it last night until like this morning about 4.30.
	Well, tell us a good story.
	What's something that listening to art did for you in a positive way?
	He didn't seem to be like a fake when you tell the story.
	He seems to ask the questions like I want to ask the guests basically.
	He just kept made a good guest on this stuff.
	And it's like the ultimate campfire.
	It's like, doesn't matter if it's at the Area 51 pilot flying into it towards Area 51 or Mel's Hall, whatever it is.
	For me, it was like the ultimate campfire story.
	You're sitting around a campfire with family and friends and stuff.
	It made me feel like you're the only one there, you know, knowing the people who are listening to the show.
	Just means it's more like one-on-one, basically, instead of knowing the people out there in the universe listening to the show.
	Yeah, I just saw in the chat someone said something about vaguely lovable, which is what he always referred to Bell Gab as with the Middle East Desert show.
	So what did it feel like for you as a fan of art to know that he was interacting on the website through the gab cast?
	Because that's one of the things, too, that when I first heard the news, I felt like we had to have an emergency gab cast because this show is so connected to it.
	But not just that, the show and the people who listened to it and contributed to it and was a part of everything were a part of Art's story.
	So what was it like for you to be vaguely lovable?
	It's all definitely like a part of the club basically because I didn't find Belgab until December of 2012.
	It's like this is a couple years after our official retired on Halloween of 2010.
	And it's like, like I was kind of those few days of months basically with Arts was kind of like the weekend show.
	It's like he's still so there basically because we all know George Snorri, he's not the best, but just when he officially retards, like as Coast one kind of went downhill a little bit, it's like another nail in the coffin, so to speak.
	And then I was like wondering what Arthur was going to do, and then I found Dull Gab, and then I found out he the member of Bell Gab had actually posted, it's like he seems to be like a real person, basically.
	And so it's like made it more interesting to talk to somebody who's really interact with his fans on his screens instead of the other host who can nationwide.
	It doesn't matter if you listen to daytime a.m. talk or nighttime or somewhere in the middle.
	It made it more real, basically.
	It's like more one-on-one, basically.
	Right.
	So who was your favorite guest that he had on and or storyline?
	It's more talking more of the storyline, more like Bigfoot or the aliens, like the more like the X-Files type of story.
	Not too far out there, but could be real and stuff or not.
	It's just not just out there.
	You see something like in the shadows.
	Do you really be an ET or could it be a man in black or something like that?
	It's just possible.
	I'm not seeing the conspiracies like George Norrie and Alex Jones type of stuff.
	I'm not into that, but it's more great in the shadows.
	I'm not sure if it's really an ET or just government doing something secret projects or what is it.
	I like those more of those type of storylines basically.
	Yep.
	Well, and again, tonight's not about coast to coast in terms of what it is today.
	It's the past.
	And I think it's hard for me to pick what's the one specific topic that Art would have on as a regular guest.
	It's more of the, I've always been an Open Lions fan, so I would stick with that as my topic, I guess, of choice.
	But I think there's several you mentioned there that are good.
	Yeah, because the Open Lions is definitely interesting because Art did his green his callers.
	So you didn't know what would be the next colour to be talking about.
	He could be talking about aliens for one performance and the next thing could be a current events or two.
	Next week would be like Bigfoot or have JC Webster III call in those type of characters.
	Made it interesting.
	It's the ultimate theater of the mind, basically.
	Yeah, I mean, and again, he was great at it.
	So many people have been radio hosts, you know, throughout time that you've got a lot of good ones and bad ones, but I think are elevated it to an art, ironically, or well-named, I guess, or some synchronicity to that.
	So it definitely made it better.
	Okay, so I'm going to go ahead and move along here a little bit.
	So in regular MV fashion, just drop that line and move on to the next one.
	So this is going to be a boring night if you're just listening to me.
	I could sit and talk about art or anything else related to what it meant to be a fan of him for the next two hours, but it would be a lot better if you guys want to call in.
	I know MV is going to be at some point.
	Looks like maybe he just joined our chat.
	Again, at ufoship.com/slash chat.
	You can listen to the stream there.
	You can join us in the conversation.
	You can also call in at ufoship.com or here.
	Let's go ahead and take a caller.
	You can also call in on a phone line at 573-837-4948, and you are on the line.
	Hello.
	Hey, it is Jasmunda, isn't it, from Downunda?
	It is.
	Can you hear me fine?
	Yeah, you're quiet.
	You almost sound like you're on speakerphone or a little far away, but I can hear you.
	Well, I'm in my car at the moment driving.
	I wasn't expecting that to be broadcasting today, but things are what they are.
	Yeah, we'll take you.
	Yeah, we will take any way we can talk to you.
	And you're one of the first people I thought of when I heard this because there's very few people that I think know as much about the history of old shows and art and have done more to help promote art than you have.
	So I would love to hear just any stories you want to share.
	Well, I think for me, the best thing, well, two best things that I did connected with art, I really enjoyed doing the trailers for him when Midnight in the Desert came back for its short leaf run.
	I don't regret sort of helping out with that, the way everything ended.
	But for me, that was sort of a fun thing to do.
	I really enjoyed that.
	And also, you and I, I think we did the last interview with Art ever.
	So that's a nice feather in our caps.
	But it was just great to interact with Art.
	One of the best things I did with him was when he recorded the liners for our show.
	That was a really fun thing to do.
	And it was sort of getting a bit of a glimpse, a peek behind the curtain, if you will, into the Art Bell world.
	And I'll certainly remember and treasure those times.
	But you know what?
	We've always got, you know, thousands of shows of his to listen to.
	I must admit, I don't think I've listened to a single show since Midnight in the Desert finished.
	But it's good to know that those shows are always there on my computer or on my iPod.
	Well, do iPods even exist anymore?
	I don't know.
	And I was just actually, something really weird happened the other day, and it only makes sense to me now hearing the news that Art died.
	But I haven't watched any of the trailers that I did for Art in.
	When did he come back?
	In July of 2005?
	I probably haven't seen them at all since then.
	And I actually re-watched them all on YouTube just last week.
	And I don't know what made me do that.
	And I'm not saying that there's any paranormal link there, but it's just a strange coincidence.
	But as we know, there are no things as coincidences.
	As another great host, well, not so great, reminds us of constantly.
	Yeah, I've got a story later in the show that I'm going to share.
	Same kind of thing, where it's not paranormal, but it fits right into the whole concept of everything happens for a reason.
	And you mentioned those trailers, and you did a great job with all the ones you did.
	And I did a couple too.
	And we both have our work on, and they'll be there forever, on the Art Bell YouTube channel.
	So all that work that you did is there, and I did one too.
	And I went back and listened to it today and watched it.
	And it's just creepy to listen to.
	And I'll play that here in just a few minutes too.
	But I think you're right about the fact that you and I most likely were the last people to do a live show interview with Art on the Bell Files.
	And anyone who wants to hear that, I think it's great to listen to because we get into the topics of mortality and legacy, things like that, and go down paths that normally you don't hear art talk about.
	And you can find that if you go to YouTube and search for the Bell Files Art Bell interview, and you can listen to that.
	And it's just very interesting to go back and listen to that and in the mind of where we could be today for it.
	And to think about how cool it was to be a part of his, again, story.
	Like I'm going to be saying for a while now how Bell Gab and the Gabcast and all the things that branched out from it, including what still is happening on Midnight in the Desert with Heather, all of that comes from Bell Gab and the Gabcast.
	You were an early Gabcast host.
	You've took it through multiple iterations.
	So you know how important it was in including that into the story of arts returns and all of that.
	Yeah, certainly.
	And one of my favorite things that came from that was us doing the Bell Files because it was something that I wanted to do for a long time.
	And it was sort of great to sort of go back and dig into all the old topics that we loved and we've heard for years and years.
	And that was a fun show to sort of do.
	And that was short-lived as well.
	I know.
	For as much fun as it is to do a show like that, it's a lot of work.
	It was a lot more work than I actually thought it would be initially.
	But, I mean, having to go through all the old shows and listen and pick out clips.
	And it's very time-consuming.
	And when you're not getting paid for it and, you know, real life gets in the way, yeah.
	But it was a labor of love, and I enjoyed doing that with you.
	Yeah, I enjoyed it too.
	I would love someday in the future for us to be able to reconnect in some kind of podcast, live radio way.
	But until then, it's good to know you're still out there and listening to art on your iPod somewhere as you drive down the road.
	Yeah, in 2002, I'm listening to my iPod.
	But you know what?
	I think art's legacy will live on, and the legacy is those old shows.
	And, you know, I'll hope to get back into listening to it one day when I can sit down and reminisce about the 90s, which is one of my favorite things to do.
	Right.
	And just thank you for providing an outlet for all of us to reminisce.
	And I have to go in a moment.
	But yeah, thank you for doing this tonight.
	No problem.
	It felt like it's the legacy of everything that we've done required us to show up in some way.
	I think all of us getting a chance to share some stories and not to make it kind of a sad day because you nailed it when you said all of that stuff is out there for us.
	Art left a legacy that I will continue to connect with anyone who wants to.
	New people are going to find art through YouTube and podcasts in ways that we can't even expect, you know.
	Do you think there is a big new audience finding Art Bell out there?
	You know, the thing about that, like, I hadn't really thought it through until I said that, but I think it is true because conspiracy has become far more, just conspiracy in general, has become a more mainstream conversation item than it was in the 90s.
	Like, it was, you watched the X-Files, you had friends who were into this kind of stuff, you talked about it on the side, but you didn't really bring it up in standard water cooler conversation.
	But it's really normalized now.
	So I think those people go to YouTube to learn, and there's a lot of people doing things trying to be similar to art.
	But after a while, you get to art, you know, and then you find him.
	And I think that will continue to bring new fans for a long time to come.
	Yeah, well, that would be nice.
	And that would be nice.
	A nice tribute to art.
	I'm sure I'll go back and listen to some old shows.
	And I'll actually say, I found out about this because of you.
	You sent me a so you broke the news to me.
	Oh, did I?
	I did.
	Well, I'm sorry to be the person to break it to you.
	I don't know why I just assumed you would know before me because I think you live in the future and know everything before I do.
	Well, thank you for making me cry on a Sunday morning, Dee.
	I'm sorry.
	I wrote it through tears myself.
	Okay.
	So that's good to know.
	But yeah, nice to see.
	I'm just looking in the chat room at the moment.
	It's nice to see some familiar names in there that I haven't seen in a long time.
	So, hi.
	Hi, Bellgap.
	And yeah, hope to see you soon.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Thank you very much for calling.
	And unceremoniously, I'm hanging up on you.
	Don't start talking now so they know I hung up on you.
	There you go.
	So anyone who wants to call, we had a few people call in during there, but true to old art style, Skype did not want to work for me.
	And of course, you heard Skype sounds coming in there, but I could not merge calls together.
	So it's just perfect that I couldn't have conference calls through it.
	So let's go ahead and take another call here.
	You were on the air.
	Who is calling?
	And tell us a good art story.
	Make us laugh.
	Hello, Curtis.
	How are you doing?
	Hey, man.
	How are you?
	I'm doing good.
	Gravity sucks.
	Gravity sucks.
	Gravity still sucks.
	It does.
	Today it sucks even more, man.
	Today it sucks.
	Big Harry Moosecock.
	Yeah.
	You're going to tell us.
	That's all for all my Canadian friends.
	Yeah.
	Tell us something good, though.
	How did you connect to art?
	And what did it mean to you to have art there every night when you wanted him?
	I think, I mean, I know I listened to him back in the 90s, but I really wasn't into listening to him every night.
	I had to wake up early and actually go to work back then.
	So I didn't get to listen to him very much at night.
	There were some times that I'd go out there and check out his website because back then there wasn't a lot of stuff on the internet.
	I'd go out there and check out pictures and stuff on his website.
	I actually, when they started the Coast to Coast website, I actually sent some pictures in that they posted out there on there.
	I was down in Rotan and there was a monkey in this one little subdivision.
	Swing little colonia down in Rotan.
	The monkey was chained up around his platform, and he had adopted all the stray cats in the neighborhood.
	They'd come on up, and he'd pick up the cats and be petting them, and then start picking fleas off of them and eating the fleas.
	So I took some pictures of the monkey with the cats because art liked the cats.
	I sent that in.
	They posted a bunch of those pictures on there.
	Nice.
	So you actually had a historical connection to the show on the website, too.
	When was that, though?
	What time frame?
	The pictures was probably about 2003, about 2002, 2003.
	It was before Norris started, so before 2003, I guess.
	So the reason I asked that is that means you might be part of an artbell.com CD somewhere that someone bought.
	Well, I never called in.
	No, but they archived the website too, didn't they?
	Archive the website.
	Okay, yeah, that might be.
	There was another picture I sent in.
	I got a fortune from a fortune cookie, and it says something like, you will be contacted by an alien soon or something like that.
	I think it was just a case of mistranslation.
	They meant to say like stranger.
	He came up with alien.
	That's not going to keep you up at night, is it?
	You opened it up and said it says, you're going to be probed tonight by an alien.
	So I took a picture of that and sent that in.
	He's posted it up there where they used to put the pictures.
	Nice.
	But I did that.
	I think there was one other one, but I can't remember what it was.
	I remember when Art was talking to bugs the first and second time.
	I heard those shows.
	And I live in Texas.
	So while he was doing that, I was sitting there going through a lot of satellite photography back before they had Google Earth.
	I knew where all the satellites were.
	AI satellite.
	Before AI had replaced human interaction with surveillance.
	Yeah, really.
	So I was going through a lot of the old Earth.
	I think it was maybe Earthlink or something like that.
	I can't remember now what they were, but there was a couple of commercial satellites that had all the satellite imagery out there.
	So I started going through, and as he was discussing where he was at, I was trying to figure out, you know, he said, okay, now we went down this turn, we did this, and I walked towards the river.
	And I think I came within probably within a square mile of where he was describing.
	And so I went ahead and wrote all that up and sent it to Art.
	I don't think I faxed it.
	I think I emailed it to him at that time.
	I think that I didn't have a fax machine.
	I was using EFAX, but I think I probably just emailed it to him.
	Well, I never heard back from him.
	Speaking of that fax machine, I'm reliably informed that MV will no longer need to provide his services to mow the front lawn of art in return for that.
	Yeah, I saw you post that on Bellgap earlier.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I've been out to Perrump about six different times, and I tried contacting Art several times leading up to each one of those trips saying, hey, I'd just like to meet you for a cup of coffee or something.
	I'm not trying to stock you.
	I'm not trying to harass you.
	I know you're a private person, but I'm going to be in town for a week.
	I'd just like to shake your hand and tell you thank you.
	But he never did respond to me.
	Though the one response I got from him, I'm a member to that firearms training center that's out there in Perump.
	And that's what I was going out there for.
	And I offered, when he had troubles with the stalker, I offered him and his family a membership, a lifetime membership to that place.
	And he said that he and Aaron both practiced, and Aaron was a better shot than him.
	And he didn't think that they needed to go out there.
	So that was fine.
	Yeah.
	So I think that's the only time he actually responded to me.
	That and I was the one that came up with the idea of him being on the Gabcast.
	I was the one that asked him if he would, after he quit, if he would do that Gabcast episode that MV interviewed him on?
	Oh, that was a great episode, too.
	Again, go back and listen to that, too.
	I think you should listen to that first because that came chronologically not that long after he left, but enough to where he could collect his thoughts about it and have a point of view about questions that MV asked him on it.
	And then you go back to the Bell Files episode that Jazz and I did, our very last one with Art.
	And then you hear from somebody who is well enough removed.
	It'd been over a year at that point.
	And you just get, it's an interesting time to connect his brain and thought process to what it was like to be away from the show for that long.
	Yeah, he, I think it was about, that was about a month and a half after he quit, I think, the Gabcast.
	And then about a month, excuse me, about a month after that is when he did the one show that he did on Midnight in the Desert.
	So I think it's like March 17th or something like that.
	There's a show out there in the archives, Midnight in the Desert, where he just did an open line show.
	Right.
	Yeah, is that the last one he did?
	Was that?
	Yeah, that's the only show that he did.
	Yeah.
	I don't even think he called in anymore after that.
	Yeah, because when he was on the Bell Files, I'm pretty sure he mentioned that he was going to still do that some.
	So I couldn't remember if he thought he called in, though, but I don't know.
	I didn't hear it.
	I thought I heard that.
	No, I don't have, I don't remember him calling in.
	I mean, I haven't listened to every show.
	Yeah, I was listening live back in September.
	Yeah, I'm going off of hearsay rather than actually having heard it.
	Yeah.
	So now they're in the chat room talking about how maybe I'm the stalker.
	Well, I also saw we got Eddie here, too.
	Hey, Eddie, how are you doing?
	Hey, what's up, Gravity Sucks?
	Yeah, I thought that was pretty crazy that you put yourself in perump during the time that there was stalkers around with the rifles, too.
	This was long before, and it wasn't with a rifle, sir.
	I was there with a handgun.
	Well, that makes all the difference.
	It's hard to jump a fence with a rifle.
	Gravity, Eddie just put the light right in your face and he said, tell us where you left it.
	Tell us where you left it.
	Tell us where I left what?
	The gun or the firecracker or whatever it might have been.
	And the tactical gear that's out in the desert somewhere, apparently.
	Have you ever heard of it?
	Some people say cachet, but other people just say cache.
	Have you ever heard of a cache?
	Yeah, tell us where you left that.
	Right next to James Gold.
	Well, I guess none of us are ever going to find it, are we?
	Not without behind the DVDs.
	Right.
	So, Gravity, what would you I'm going to put you on the spot for some Art Bell fan questions here really quick.
	Okay.
	What's the most reasonable conspiracy type story or paranormal story you heard on Art's show?
	Let me think about that one for a second.
	Go ahead and do the next one.
	Okay.
	What was the one time that you think that Art broke the character of Art the Broadcaster on air?
	Like, is there one time you can think of where he just broke character and Not that he was a character, but broke his broadcast demeanor and just was art the guy who happened to be on air, like on his ham radio.
	There was one show, it was, I mean, it was a midnight, and it wasn't a good one.
	It was a midnight in the desert one where I remember him getting really, really pissed off and really irritated.
	And I don't know if it was a caller, was it?
	Was it maybe that, who was that English guy in the summer, Robbins?
	He was pissed off at another UFO guy, and he was just, it was like arguing about something that happened in the background, and Art was trying to interview him.
	And the guy was, it was right when the show first started.
	Wait, Robinson.
	Is this wait?
	Maybe I'm getting confused, but are you talking about the guy who showed up and was the MV Light?
	Like if MV were like a radio DJ, not Radio DJ, like a hip-hop DJ in Vegas.
	I can't think what the guy's name was.
	That was the GIS dude.
	Oh, no, yeah.
	That was on Sirius.
	You're right.
	Okay.
	This was like in July of 2015.
	It was one of the Peter or Peter Robbins or Peter Rock.
	Yeah, I can't remember.
	I remember what you're talking about, though, because he cut the guy off early.
	Yeah, because he wasn't prepared at all.
	He wasn't answering the questions, or he just sounded like he was nervous or something.
	He cut the guy off early and went to open lines.
	He was young.
	Yeah.
	Jimmy Chunga is the guy you guys are talking about, GIS.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that was just Peter Robbins was the guy's name that was the guest that I was thinking of.
	Thank you, Dina X.
	Yeah, nice.
	Isn't it great that the chat room can be right there to back us up on that?
	That's right.
	If Heather would go ahead and log into this chat room, then she could go ahead and do the show and have a good old time.
	Yeah.
	Well, let me just say that I've always joked, like when we, I don't want to keep bringing up the bell files, but it just connects so much to like my most recent researching of art stuff.
	But that show started off as like before it even became a show, but it was just an idea.
	It was Heather, Jazz, myself, and MV was a part of it in the conversation.
	And then we also had a few other people I'm trying to think of, like Onan was considering being a part of it.
	But then Heather, we know she went her direction.
	But I used to joke that we needed to call it like the art historians because Jazz and Heather, they both know so much about art, way more than I've ever known.
	Like they've forgotten more than I know about his history.
	But like either of those two could recall names of guests almost even to the night of the guest.
	It was always impressive and scary at the same time, their recall.
	That's true.
	I sit here and I listen to the stuff on the tune-in channels that have all the replays.
	I listen to those and I'll be halfway through a show and then realize that I just, you know, I'd heard this show three or four different times, but every time I listen to it, it's like it's brand new to me.
	So I guess getting old has its advantages.
	I'll always have new art bell content.
	Yeah, it's like the first time all over again, even though it's the same playlist each time.
	You know what?
	I'll answer that first question that you asked.
	Gravity Sucks.
	I think it was contrails was the weirdest conspiracy theory that I ever heard that I never really believed.
	It never really struck me as true and accurate that the government was spraying chemicals over cities en masse just because they had contrails.
	You know, they weren't chemtrails.
	They were just contrails, a natural formation of jets going through the atmosphere.
	Yeah, I always wondered with those, like, okay, let's say you're a government employee who's told, you know, you're on now the chemtrails contract.
	You need to go out and seed these cities.
	Well, in a connected world like we are, and as nomadic in terms of being able to move from city to city and state to state, any one person can be connected to somebody in any other city and other states.
	So like you hand me the contract or the assignment to do chemtrails.
	I'm going to know somebody that lives in that city or someone related to someone I care about is going to live there.
	So I can't imagine anybody actually wanting to poison or contaminate our skies in some way, knowing that we all breathe the same air.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I never understood what the purpose of that was.
	Like what was the theory as why they were doing it.
	Yeah.
	I mean, maybe they were talking about seeding clouds and things like that using chemicals that had the off chance that it, you know, killed babies on the ground, but I don't know.
	I never really understood or believed in that one.
	Yeah, that is a good one to bring up.
	This is funny.
	Malachi Martin, I need to understand this comment.
	So he's going to have to, and this is in the chat.
	Sorry, Malachi Martini.
	Let me get that right.
	Said Curtis might be the most Reddit person on Bell Gab.
	And I would like to understand what that means because I do Reddit.
	So expound on that.
	But anyway, I would take that as a compliment.
	I'll take it.
	And like Catsmile likes to bring up, he's truly my number one fan.
	Like, usually when you're the number one fan of somebody, you ask for autographed photos of the person you're a fan of.
	Like, I would have loved to have gotten an autographed photo of Art, but Catsmile actually sends me autographed photos of himself.
	Of himself?
	And reminds me, this is Catsmile, your number one fan.
	I'm like, yep.
	Wait, now wait, is it his face or is it other regions?
	Well, that's Catsmile.
	He's creative, so you put them all together and you get the full tapestry.
	So the reason I wanted to call in is there was another time that Art Bell appeared on the Gabcast, and it was the very, I think it was the very first time.
	You know, he did that two-hour interview with MV, and then he did that two-hour interview with you and Jazz on Bell Files.
	Actually, I mean, back when he first quit Sirius, he called in, right?
	Yes.
	Yeah, it was the second, it was only the second episode of the Gabcast.
	And here we are, at least speaking for me, I had no talent for the radio.
	I still don't.
	But me, I think, Mud King, you were part of that show too, weren't you?
	And it was Onin's video.
	And MV, right?
	No, MV hosted it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	The thing is, what I love about that, because who else was on that, Eddie?
	Remind me.
	It was just us.
	I think it was just us four.
	MV, Onin, you, and me.
	Okay, so B-W wasn't there that day?
	I don't believe so.
	Okay, maybe that's what I'm saying.
	That's probably why I was there then.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I think you were sitting in for B-W.
	Yeah, all I remember is the giddiness and schoolboy sound of everyone's voices, especially MVs, which was great because he's really good at keeping his, either keeping his composure or losing his composure in a way that is radio interesting.
	We were all so excited for that.
	I'm nervous.
	Yeah.
	Nervous as hell, too.
	If you remember, and I don't know if this was part of the live show, if this went out on the stream or if this was part of the podcast download, but he took, I think Envy took a break, or he said, I'll be right back.
	And then all of a sudden, Art was there.
	I think he saw Art was calling and then he brought him on the air.
	He didn't know it was you.
	Yeah, we didn't know it was him.
	And all of a sudden, we hear Art's voice and we're like, what?
	We had no idea.
	Yeah, and we didn't really know what to say to lead into it because it was a surprise.
	Yeah, because he saw the number, he added it, and then he stepped away for a moment.
	And yeah, that was from what I remember.
	Yeah, I was just like, oh, wait, that's art.
	Yeah, what do we say to Art Bell?
	Right.
	And I don't think he had been posting on the forum.
	I think he was.
	That was in what, 2013?
	I think he had just started promoting the Sirius XM show, or maybe he had just.
	No, it was that must have been before.
	It was.
	Yeah, when what was that?
	It was after the Sirius show that he called in.
	Yeah, because we questioned him about it.
	Because I tried to get him to give enough information to make the story sound different to see if it was true or not.
	The story about the end fighting between him and Sirius.
	And he stayed pretty consistent to his story.
	I think right, because I remember we talked about the no compete clause too.
	It was after they canceled the show.
	Yeah.
	That's right.
	I think it was probably like for some reason I remember November 12th of 2013.
	Yeah, that makes me want to go back and look in the logs for, because you can go to ufoshift.com and just look at the gab cast and we should have all while you're there.
	Click on the vape link.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, click on the e-cigs and yeah, go ahead and play vape in real quick too.
	And be sure to click on the e-cigs because if you don't vape, you're missing out.
	Okay, yeah.
	I'm vaping right now.
	Are you?
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	Okay, so you're saying November 2023?
	2013?
	Yeah, 2013.
	November 12th.
	Yep.
	Let's see.
	Ah, okay.
	You're right.
	Listen to Gravity Sucks Memory.
	I want to put you in an art historian world too.
	The Gabcast, November 12th, 2013.
	On this episode, we have a frank conversation with the one and only Art Bell.
	You are correct.
	Wow.
	November 12th, 1955.
	That is the date that DeLorean has to hit 88 miles per hour.
	Yeah.
	Where were you in Dallas?
	And what was it?
	Was it 63?
	1963, November 22nd, or 23rd.
	Actually, we need to know.
	I need to know.
	I need a TikTok on this.
	Let's see if I can play this.
	Hold on.
	I was in Mrs. Rose's third grade classroom in St. John Vianney Catholic School.
	I have an alibi.
	Okay, let's see if you can hear this.
	I always thought that maybe George wasn't privy to some of the backroom deals or some of the bigger deals.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Well, I don't understand why he keeps exposing himself from this point forward by trying to find that out.
	Yeah, that middle part right before he came up and all that kind of thing.
	And then I think it was halfway through.
	I'm thinking like 30 minutes, but my memory is good in light of what I suck it.
	And I hear you don't think that it's getting fair treatment right now.
	Do you?
	I would agree.
	No.
	It's not being challenged.
	Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	First of all, first of all, you can't even ask a coherent question.
	He doesn't follow the conversation.
	He's hardly ever prepared for whatever the person's talking about.
	And then he says inane things like depression too.
	I'll fix it for you guys.
	I know.
	The paranormal deserves better.
	How about now?
	Can you guys see that?
	It just needs to be now when there's okay.
	You guys could hear that on Skype, right?
	No.
	No, you can't.
	All right.
	Well, I'm playing it for the stream.
	Just let everybody listen.
	Oh, here, hold on.
	I'll figure out what's up.
	Just a second.
	Fix it.
	Michael.
	Come on.
	Fix it live.
	All right.
	If Keith Rawlin wasn't so upset and depressed right now, he could probably help you sort out all these technical glitches.
	So what's your opinion on that?
	Do you think Keith Rowan is just throwing a hissy fit or is it legitimate if he's if it's okay for him to be that upset and post about it?
	You're talking about that little snipe thing you did at the Nye County Sheriff?
	Yeah, yeah.
	About announcing Art's death before.
	I don't know if that was him or if that was Heather, which I mean, whoever did it.
	I'm sure that they're just upset.
	That's all.
	But I mean, it was at least four hours after it was at least four hours, probably longer than that because I didn't see the video until 10 o'clock last night.
	And he died.
	I mean, they found him dead at like 10.30 in the morning.
	So it's not like the family, the immediate family didn't have time to notify their relatives between now and then.
	And I mean, anybody monitoring the scanners for Perump would have had the news.
	So if it didn't get out with an official statement, it was going to get out.
	I mean, if you listen even to the shows for MITD now on Heather, there's a lot of people from Perrump that call in to the show.
	And so if any of those people started getting wind of it, it'd been all over the internet.
	Yeah.
	It's so hard to know how you're going to react when something that tragic happens.
	Here's the thing, though.
	I mean, I got to comment on what Keith posted directly to the Nye County Sheriff's Office.
	This guy who has been so connected to his professional life for so many years, a mentor, a friend, whatever different roles, art business partner in his life, you don't react to it.
	I understand you're emotional, but you don't react by attacking the police right after his death.
	You go out and you honor the guy any way you can publicly.
	You know, your first post should be, you know, here's this guy.
	Here's what he meant to everything.
	You don't go attack the police.
	I don't get that.
	It's such a Keith reaction, I guess, but it just does not make sense to me at all.
	And it says a lot about how they are treating his legacy.
	It's not.
	Well, it's the same way when Art quit, the first thing Keith did was fire out an email saying, you know, here's how you get your refunds.
	Right.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, the same kind of thing as what he did there.
	Like, Nye County Police, you guys suck.
	Here's your refund.
	Yeah.
	You know, it sounds like Art quick for good this time.
	Here's your refund.
	Right.
	You know, and you could understand, you could understand why he was upset that time.
	Art was his cash cow.
	Right.
	Well, and yeah, and that's the thing that I understand the emotional part of it, whether it's a business upset or now a truly emotional being upset.
	But it says a lot about your personality when you have to, when you always have to lash out against other people when you're upset, rather than hold on to a very personal approach to it.
	Like, go ahead and call up somebody and say, look, you shouldn't have done this and that.
	This is Bush League if you feel that way.
	But to go straight to publicly bashing them for it, it's not good.
	That's not a good look for anybody.
	Yeah, I think the police would give somebody like Art or the Arts family the consideration to hold off until they were able to announce it.
	But I agree.
	I mean, Keith shouldn't have lashed out like that publicly.
	Well, but he's all to himself.
	He and Heather, I mean, they're always talking about how art is their mentor, right?
	That's exactly the kind of thing Art would have done.
	Well, okay.
	Well, that's how you think about it.
	Yeah, I mean, that's where you start to separate the guy who did something pretty amazing on the radio from the guy who was a business person and a human being who not only did good things, but also made mistakes, clearly.
	But you're right.
	That's the thing.
	That's the mistakes part of it is Art would always go for the nuclear option and personal, at least from what we got to see publicly about him and personal interactions was almost always nuclear first and then back away from it afterwards.
	And that fit, obviously, the professional side too.
	But it's, I don't know, even though you were trained by Art to be that way, didn't he deserve to get a coordinated send-off from them?
	And I think this really only is directed to Keith.
	Heather, I think, is still new enough to everything going on there and probably very emotionally affected by everything happening.
	But look at her response, which has been respectful versus Keith lashing out.
	I think Keith should have taken a step away and taken at least three, if not five breaths before posting anything online.
	Yeah, but, you know, if Keith's the one that did that, I can see how it all played out.
	He either got a phone call from Aaron or a phone call from Heather blasting Keith for why in the hell is this stuff getting out there?
	Why don't you have the official statement ready yet?
	How come the website hasn't been updated?
	And all of a sudden he's getting bombarded by phone calls.
	And he probably just said, okay, I'm going to take it out on Night County Sheriff.
	Yeah.
	Sorry, I just read where somebody wrote they miss Anna Grammy, and I can't help but laugh when I read that.
	I've never had as strong a reaction to any, like there's no name on Bell Gab that causes me to have a reaction of any type other than that one.
	Now, wait a second.
	You don't get goosebumps when you hear the name Lone Voice?
	Well, okay, yeah.
	I mean, but that's different.
	That's like a positive one where Anna Grammy actually makes me want to start going keyboard warrior all of a sudden, which obviously we all know is not my standard posture.
	But Chefist, you are free for the go-ahead, man.
	He's got some.
	Go ahead.
	Before you do that, I've got an answer to your question.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I think when Art was doing the original Oklahoma City bombings and all of the conspiracy stuff behind that, and they are having people talking about John Doe number three and all that, I think you got a glimpse into Art Bell as a individual more than as a radio announcer.
	If you listen to any of those shows from around that time frame, you can hear the emotion in his voice as he's trying to get to the bottom of it, not from a journalist's point of view, but because from an American, I want to know what happened and who's responsible for this.
	Yeah, that's probably a good one to listen to.
	You know, hearing you talk about that, that episode reminds me that I want to put you to work, and that's either in the Art Bell thread or start a new one.
	But can you list out definitive episodes like that that you think are important listening?
	And they could be totally out of order of any kind of chronology, but I would really like to see that.
	Like that episode and any others that have a connection to Art the Person that you can think of, if you can list those out in a way that people.
	Yeah, somebody started a thread, something like, oh, you know, what was the most meaningful thread or meaningful show that you remember or something like that?
	So I could go ahead and piggyback on that.
	But I don't have the torrent.
	And right now, right now I'm kind of PC challenged.
	I don't have a computer.
	I'm working off just my iPhone.
	Oh, okay.
	So I don't, I mean, it's hard for me to go.
	I won't be able to get dates of the shows or anything like that.
	I can just talk about ones that affected me.
	Yeah, well, I think that's what would be good is that, because that's a good one that I wouldn't have thought of.
	And it just, yeah, it makes me think that there should be a curated list of, because you're going to have a perspective different than other people.
	And I mean, that's unique.
	Each of us are going to have a different point of view.
	So, yeah, when you get a chance, you know, it doesn't have to be this week even whenever you're in front of a computer and have some free time.
	List out the five episodes to listen to in light of art no longer going to do it.
	There's no way art's coming back at this point unless it's truly the first show from Beyond the Grave.
	And he brings Indian on as his guest.
	The other one that I was going to mention is the shows leading up to Y2K, because I think art was really scared.
	That's true about Y2Y2K.
	I think if you listen to any of those ones from 1999, and plus he had all that stuff going on with his son, too, at that time, didn't he?
	So when you mentioned Y2K, the funny thing about that is I listened to all those well after the fact.
	And so it's funny to know that it ended up not being either A, there was a problem that corporate America put a lot of money behind and resolved.
	And so it didn't end up having the impact it was supposed to, or it never really was going to have the impact that was predicted.
	But I got to be on the other side of it, knowing that it was going to be okay.
	Listening to his buildup for it was interesting.
	Oh, I was involved in IT leading up to that, and I guarantee there was going to be an impact.
	Any IBM mainframe computer complex was going to lose every bit of all of their archives and all their backups.
	But they threw a lot of money out of, yeah, because the way we used to code the expiration date on the tapes to do not expire was to put in 1231.99.
	Which was good.
	Yeah.
	So that meant everybody's archives, everybody's configuration managed archives and backups and everything else.
	If you had an IBM and IBM mainframe complex, those were all going to start being erased on January 1st.
	Right.
	And then they made everybody work triple hours to make sure that didn't happen.
	Oh, and that's actually where India built up their IT capability because all that they sent hundreds of thousands of people to school to learn how to do COBOL in Fortran.
	And they contracted a lot of that stuff out to India.
	That's where the outsourcing of IT really got its foothold.
	You know, I didn't even know that.
	I mean, as far as I knew, one day they just had a big connection and they were the place to go for cheap labor that could get it done quick and fairly well.
	No, it was.
	We had a lot of professors here in this country that were from India that saw the opportunity and got a lot of their ex-students involved, and they started training people in India.
	And that's where the whole foothold for IT outsourcing and India, especially getting their foothold in the business.
	We did not have enough programmers just to write the code.
	The changes were relatively simple in the most part, but doing all the testing and developing all the test plans and testing and everything else and actually doing the modification, we did not have enough people to do it.
	That's crazy.
	Now I want to do a spec sheet and have you come on and talk more about Y2K.
	Yeah, I could probably do something like that.
	Yeah, but we're getting way off the art bell stuff.
	Let's go back, Eddie, to where we had started with that episode where Art called in after the serious.
	I feel like we jumped around some there.
	Yeah.
	You got it queued up or you want to talk about it?
	Let's just talk about it.
	No reason to have things not work correctly tonight.
	But that's part of the fun of the Gabcast.
	Come on.
	It is true.
	Yeah, I don't disagree with that.
	Yeah, I can't be out with you, Curtis, unless we're having troubles.
	That's true.
	Someone's going to be mad at each other or something.
	Okay, here, I'll try it one more time.
	Let's see.
	All right, I'm going to jump to where I'm pretty sure he had called in by this point.
	I didn't mean to put you on the spot.
	I don't have to play.
	You know, dude, let him go.
	Put me on the spot.
	Can you hear that now?
	That's weird.
	Yep.
	What about in the interim, the 10 years prior to your return to serial?
	I mean, those types of streams were everywhere just as people longed for the return of the great art bell.
	Did you ever have any thought about those streams playing your coast-to-coast shows prior to your return to Spain?
	I didn't do anything.
	Well, no, I still see MS Farm are owned by Premier.
	And if Premier wanted to stop them, I wonder if you guys want to level the voice leveling as well.
	They've got to be the dumbest people that walk.
	I mean, talk about advertising for me.
	I'll check that while this is playing.
	Hold on.
	Playing your shows on a competing station, which is so much better than their main talent.
	I mean, you're going to play clips later on in the show, right?
	That is.
	Yeah, if it's not.
	I didn't mean to interrupt.
	No, I interrupted.
	During the 10 years that I was just a Mystery Science TV 3000 organization.
	You don't know what's actually being said.
	I wondered if anybody in management at Premier actually looked at it.
	I'll tell you what, Curtis, I'm going to go ahead and drop it.
	I don't think so.
	I really don't.
	I think they looked at the amount of money coming in for advertising.
	That must be them.
	All right.
	Well, thank you for calling.
	Let me pause that because it's hard to hear you over it.
	Thanks for calling Gravity.
	Glad to hear from you, and I hope we see more from you and hear more.
	Yeah, our RIP to art.
	And I really have a lot of condolences for his family.
	And I hope that they get some comfort.
	Yep, I agree.
	Okay, we'll talk to you all later.
	Thank you.
	See ya.
	Later, Gravity.
	All right, Eddie.
	It's just you and I for the moment.
	Let me just say it is good to hear you on a Gabcast.
	And unfortunately, the circumstances that bring you aren't the best.
	But again, you are part of the story of Art's connection to everything Gabcast and everything that's Bell Gab related.
	And I really do think that this show and that website and our connections to everybody helped bring him back for the last two tries that he did.
	So everyone's telling me to shut up.
	I'm talking over the clip.
	Man, the delay must be pretty bad.
	But anyway, I know you're a big fan, and I just would like to hear you talk about art and his influence on you.
	Well, I, like you, didn't get into art until late.
	I think it was 2003.
	I started listening to Coast to Coast, and Nori would do the shows during the week, and Art would come on on the weekends.
	And I could tell a big difference between just the way, the feel of the show, and Art always had a way of pulling you in to whatever he was talking about.
	And I think that that was pretty amazing to be able to at least experience that, some live shows.
	And then, of course, he went off the air until 2013, I think.
	And then everybody at Bell Gab lifting him up to try to get him back on the air, trying to convince him to do that.
	And then when he came back in 2015 at Midnight in the Desert, that time at Bell Gab was just amazing.
	I mean, the energy and everybody trying to promote art and get him back on the air just because everybody loved art so much.
	That was a really special time.
	And it's really great to see all the people here in the chat and all the people posting well-wishes for art in his thread.
	I think that was the only time that I kind of got misty is when I was reading some of people's reactions to Art's passing.
	I don't think there's ever going to be anything like art, anybody like art ever again.
	And I'm just glad that I was able to experience an Art Bell show or two.
	Yeah.
	And you, again, you're part of his history from this point forward.
	I mean, well, from the point that you were connected to it through the Gabcast, for sure, and him calling in and us getting to be schoolboys and then us promoting him the ways we did through the Gabcast.
	Hold on just a moment.
	I got someone else that I'm going to have joined this call, I hope.
	Let's see.
	That just makes me feel good.
	It makes me have this call.
	Have this.
	Jazz, you there?
	Yes, I'm here.
	Do I sound a little bit better than I did before?
	You sound like Jazz now and not Jazz calling from his TRS-80.
	You sound much more manly now.
	You do.
	It's like something dropped.
	That's not possible.
	There is a chat room request for you, and that's if you could talk about horse porn.
	No, my horse porn days are over.
	I had a restraining order taken out by Mr. Ed.
	So those days are over.
	End of an era, ladies and gentlemen.
	End of an era.
	Yep.
	So speaking of the end of eras and really fun eras, Eddie and I were just talking about what it was like to be part of the Gabcast and Bell Gab.
	I mean, all of it flows together during those times when art was calling in, contributing to chats, and just a part of what we were doing.
	What did that mean to you?
	And do you think anything like that, that lightning in a bottle experience of just everyone having a singular goal will ever happen again post-art?
	It's impossible for that to happen again without art.
	He was the glue that sort of brought everyone together.
	And that's not to say that, you know, a site like Belgab can't continue, but I don't think we'll ever experience what we experienced in the lead up to Dark Matter, in the lead up to Midnight in the Desert.
	Without art, that's gone.
	I don't think we'll ever get that again unless Falky hits the big time, but we won't talk about him.
	It's not the well, you're an enabler of that, so his star only goes as high as you allow it.
	So I'm still waiting for you to make some fan trailers for him, too.
	That will never happen.
	Okay.
	What about Mr. Fidget?
	What do you guys think with the let's talk about some things that interweave GabCast and Art Bell guests?
	So Mr. Fidget called into the Gabcast, and he wanted to set the record straight on what happened when he was on Art's show and made the promises he did.
	What was it like?
	Because you guys took that call, right?
	You were the host that night.
	Am I right?
	Were you the hosts on that work?
	Yeah, I was definitely there.
	And I must admit, did he start posting on Belgab before he came on the Gabcast?
	I think he did.
	I can't remember.
	Yeah, so I must admit when the poster started posting, I didn't believe it was the Mr. Fidget.
	But then once we heard his voice, yeah, it clearly was him.
	I don't know.
	I can't remember what I feel about that story.
	You know how he told the story on the air, how we had this way to call in.
	I don't believe that was true.
	I don't know.
	I think he was just happened to be lucky, but I don't know.
	Didn't he say he used multiple payphones to get through?
	Yeah, but he had like some, yeah, he had a method with it too, which I'm pretty sure had something to do with fidgeting with whatever he fidgeted with.
	Because he always talked about some extra power that they would give.
	I don't know that he ever truly explained what it was.
	I must say, I got a fidget from Mr. Fidget, an official Mr. Fidget fidget, and nothing good has ever happened to me since I've got that.
	Well, there's that then, I guess.
	See, I have a knockoff fidget from Fidget Land instead, and the same things happened to me.
	I can't say that everything's been good since then.
	I have to say, sitting here today, I still do not understand what Mr. Fidget's problem was with art.
	I mean, because he went on and on and on.
	I mean, I think he had a 40-page or 100-page thread on Belgab about his problem with art.
	And I still don't think I understand why he was so angry with art.
	Yeah, I mean, like, really, like, my nutshell of what I remember would be that he thought that art blackballed him and didn't allow him to come back to tell his story once he was out of jail or whatever it was he was falsely incarcerated for.
	But I don't remember the details around it, but I think that that's like the crux of why he was mad at art, that art wouldn't let him come back to plead his case.
	And that brings up like a whole other level of topic of the fights that Art had with guests or former guests or falling outs with them and the way that played out in a very public way.
	It's part of the story and the mystique of what it's like to be a former guest.
	You've got Richard C. Hoagland, who was a roller coaster ride of times when art just listened to him tell stories and agreed and thought he was being brought great evidence of some conspiracy or story that was being hidden at least from public view.
	And then other times where art just hammered the guy saying that you have no proof and you come here with these stories, but if you can't give me something better than that, then maybe we're done.
	I think that's one of the great things about artists he did push back with some, with certain guests, not all guests, but he pushed back on some of the guests that he thought were trying to snow him or trying to take advantage of the audience.
	Yeah, but I also think he liked the guests that everyone loved to hate, the Ed Dames, the Hoaglands, because people, you know, like the Howard Stern thing, people wanted to hear what they said next and were tuning into what they would say next because they didn't like them.
	And I think art saw that as an opportunity to get more listeners.
	And that's why he allowed guys like Ed Dames to continue coming on as a guest, despite never calling him up on anything that he got wrong.
	Who was the divisive guest who had a thread, or I suppose they still have a thread on Bellgab?
	And I can't remember their name or where even the thread is.
	I'm trying to scan to look for it.
	Is that the guy who saw the aliens in Norway or one of those Nordic countries?
	Yeah, yeah.
	That wasn't the Billy Meyer dude.
	Yeah, not Billy Meyer, but his spokesperson.
	Right, yeah, that's right.
	Was it Horn, Michael Horn?
	That's it, Michael Horn.
	Okay.
	Did he fight?
	He fought with Art on the air, didn't he?
	Or didn't they have a falling out or something?
	Probably because Michael.
	Michael Horn fought with everybody.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I don't know if he ever is just calm.
	He's got his story to tell.
	And that's the thing is, Art always seemed to be annoyed by the guests who came on to I'm going to put in air quotes to tell a story rather than have a conversation.
	Because if you just wanted to sell your book, then Art isn't very good at giving the hard sell.
	He's better at the soft sell of wrap it around an experience.
	He was always great at that.
	I must say, though, most of my favorite Art Bell memories are with callers.
	And I know there's some people that hate open lines and do not like open lines at all.
	But I think some of my favorite memories are some of the stories that came out of open lines that wasn't a guest, wasn't someone who had something to sell.
	And looking back, most of those stories are probably bullshit, but they were the fun stories.
	They're the things that stick out in my memory.
	Yeah, I agree.
	That's the thing that they were organic.
	However they got created, whether they were from real experiences or just a funny story that a person came up with that night, didn't really matter.
	It was the experience that hearing the story be told and then art start to pick it apart that made the magic.
	And the way that he dealt with the callers was so great.
	I mean, transitions and how smooth he was, and he wasn't flustered.
	I mean, he would just take any topic and run with it.
	And that's why he was the master.
	That's true.
	How many people could go from having a guest talk about the grand alien conspiracy, have open line callers call in to talk about their haunted ghost, and then right afterwards transition to selling you pizza punch?
	Did anyone ever get some pizza punch?
	Somebody on Bell Gab did.
	I mean, someone on Bell Gabb, someone posted about it on Bellgab, but I remember in the past that they had some still.
	And I remember a question about, do you think it's years later?
	Do you think it's okay for me to use this?
	Which I think the general consensus was, no, just leave it in the package.
	I think that was before my time.
	Wasn't that in the 90s where he was selling that?
	Or was that a joke?
	I don't even know if I know the origin of the pizza punch thing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, Saucy Rossi in the chat says he still has pizza punch.
	He's probably who I'm thinking of.
	But yeah, that was early.
	Would he like to sell it?
	It's the next question.
	Right.
	No.
	Saucy needs to call in and open up that pizza punch jar and drink it live on the cab cast.
	It's like all those tide pods.
	It's the new Tide Pod challenge is Art Bell Pizza Punch.
	The Pizza Punch Challenge.
	In irony, I look in the chat room and I see Tide Pods is there.
	So, I mean, like, I almost want to say, like, Art, if you're over there in the Great Beyond, jump into the chat room and let us know.
	But I'm kind of scared that he's actually going to show up there, whether it's really him or not.
	Art will, you know, in moments be in our chat room probably.
	Well, you're recording this, I gather.
	So, Art, if you would like to leave an EVP, we'll play it on the air.
	Even better.
	That's what I would love.
	So, Art, if you want to do that, that's cool.
	But I have an even more important EVP that you need to do, and it's going to really help with the numbers on Coast to Coast.
	Can you please start doing open commentary over the air to what is being said on Coast to Coast from Monday nights to Friday nights?
	Well, not every Friday night, but some Friday nights.
	How do we make it better?
	You said here's a way to make it better.
	It might make it better.
	Yeah, I did say on Bell Gab that someone did mention whether art would have gone to the light or to the dark, because if that actually happens when you die, and I doubt it, my personal belief is that nothing happens, but I wonder what he would have done in that situation because he's the one that always talked about that.
	Well, thank you for the transition to that because the video that I did for the Art Bell YouTube channel specifically referenced that.
	Let's see if I can play this in a way that you guys actually hear.
	So, here's my trailer that I did.
	If you go to Art Bell's YouTube channel and look for the Art Bell is back, I'm not going to play the whole thing, but listen to this.
	Oh, wait, that's not it.
	Hold on.
	That's a different one.
	Where is mine?
	It's been removed already.
	No.
	Unlike it wasn't pulled or something.
	Yeah, let's see.
	Play.
	Think about it.
	If you were to pass on stroke out right now and you saw the bright shining light over there, and Art Bell had just told you that John Lear said it's a trick and that you should go to the darkness.
	Well, it's like you're infected now.
	You'll never forget this.
	Did you hear that?
	No, I lost it.
	You did?
	So that's weird.
	Why is this not routing the audio with you guys?
	It's a Skype thing.
	When you're sending audio through back to Skype, I think it's trying to screen it out.
	Okay, so at least the stream should have heard that.
	So basically, what it was was Art talking about John Lear and his conversation about imagine if you stroke out and you see the light.
	Are you going to go towards it or the darkness directly from art?
	So I mean, like, it Makes you wonder if Art saw either.
	Did he go the other direction?
	If he saw like a tunnel that was light and a tunnel that was dark, what was his real plan, if he had one?
	But maybe it's all a construct of what you want.
	I have a feeling we did ask him that in the interview we did with him.
	We did, yeah.
	Well, I have no short-term memory due to his abuse, so I can't remember whether we did ask it or what his answer was, but I'm pretty sure we did.
	Yeah, I think you did, and I think he said, I don't know.
	I'm not sure.
	I don't know.
	I can't remember either.
	My memory is horrible as well.
	Yeah.
	And on cue, Art underscore Bell is in our chat room.
	So if you have any questions for him in the chat, now would be the time to ask.
	What did you guys feel?
	Like, what was your reaction, I guess, is a better way to state this question to the idea of being a member of the vicious but vaguely lovable group that is Belgab like during the time of his big comeback in Midnight in the Desert days.
	Well, in my opinion, I think that was the best time I ever had on Belgab.
	I mean, it was, like I said before, it was a positive and it was like a what do they call it, crowdsourcing.
	I mean, we crowdsourced and pestered Art enough until he came back on the air.
	I'm sure he probably already decided to do that, but it was great.
	I mean, I think that's that's the best time I've ever had on Belgab was the lead-ups to both of those, especially Midnight in the Desert.
	Yeah.
	I mean, all the promotions and all the Jazz Munda's YouTube videos that he did.
	What did you end up doing?
	Like 20 of those, Jazz Munda?
	Those were just amazing.
	He's actually still making them.
	Yeah, I've still got a backlog of them, but I'll release them posthumously.
	I found that was really fun.
	The whole Midnight in the Desert really, as you said, really did feel like a crowdsourcing thing, even though we weren't putting in our own money.
	But a lot of people put in a lot of time and effort and all that.
	But I found that the first return, the dark matter one, the lead up to that was really good because it sort of came out of nowhere.
	And if you remember, we had the artbell.com website, came back online.
	It had, I think it started off with an exclamation point, moved to two, to three, changed colors to be, and we were sort of, we were saying stuff on Belgab.
	I think I don't know if it was myself, my short-term memory again, it said, you know, change the exclamation point to pink and the next day it was pink.
	And we sort of had a bit of fun with that.
	And it turns out it probably wasn't Art doing it.
	It was probably Keith.
	But it was fun sort of being part of that process and seeing, you know, someone we loved and admired coming back to the air when we thought he would never come back.
	Yeah, the countdown to that was really great.
	The anticipation.
	I mean, everybody was just frothing waiting for Art Bell to come back because hadn't he been off the air since at least for five years, since 2011 or 2009?
	I think he quit the show officially doing weekends in 2007.
	And then I think he's quit altogether in 2010 or something like that.
	Well, let's go ahead and acknowledge the, since you're on the air here, Jazz, his serious show, Dark Matter, what was his last episode he did of that?
	What was the topic?
	Was that on Halloween?
	Yeah, did you happen to call in on that?
	On that one, I called in a lot.
	Did you call in on the Halloween episode and happened to tell a story?
	Yeah, but I can't remember which one I told a story on whether it was Midnight in the Desert or all right, Jazz.
	I've got the records here.
	I'm going to have to call you out on it.
	Yes, you did call in and tell a really good story on the dark eye, the red eyes.
	No, that was a different one.
	No, that was the story about his kids.
	Yes.
	And it just so happens that Art quit.
	So there was a trend that was started with that of shows being ended that Jasmunda the Destroyer happened to call in on.
	So I just feel like we have to call that out.
	All right.
	I admit it.
	It's all my fault.
	I saw someone actually, I think it was Bartel and welcome back, Bartel, wrote on the Bell thread that did Jasmunda call into Art's house.
	Yes.
	Where I'm going, basically.
	Those powers are beyond me.
	Well, still fun calling me.
	Yeah.
	You know, I mean, you basically had full reign of the international line on Dark Matter.
	Well, because basically, I think with Sirius, you couldn't listen unless you were in the States.
	I think you could listen from anywhere, but you couldn't get a Sirius subscription unless you lived in the States.
	And as I said, Sirius, my phone is going crazy because I thought I said Siri.
	But yeah, you couldn't listen overseas.
	And I think MV helped me out and got me one of those, you could get a prepaid Sirius card, and that's how I was able to listen illegally.
	You were keeping the pirate aspect alive.
	Yeah, and Art knew about that.
	He didn't care.
	Right.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, it's a subscription.
	That's all that mattered then.
	Dateline in the chat room asked an important question of Art, and that is, and this again, we're talking to Art from the other side of wherever he's at right now, but asked, do they have super glue where you're at?
	And Art has not responded back to that question, and I don't know if he will or if whoever is being channeled by Art in the chat room, if they will have an answer for it.
	But I thought that was a pretty good question to ask if they have Superglue there, because anyone who's listened to the archives or even live when it happened knows that Art had a very deep connection, we could say, to Superglue and live broadcasting.
	Well, that was also an aspect of the show that was so great.
	You sort of heard all those things like that incident with the Superglue.
	I think there was a time when he went out for a cigarette in a break and nearly killed himself misstepping a step or something like that, or fell through a wooden plank or somewhere that didn't, you know, on his porch or something like that.
	You got to hear those stories, those things that happen live on the air.
	I think there was a time when the, what do you call those?
	Thermos, do you call it a thermos where you keep your coffee hot?
	The glass in that had broken and he thought he had swallowed some broken glass.
	Just all those stories, they were some of the nice memories that I have of Art and his show personalized it a little bit.
	Yeah, I mean, it showed that he was when he was on air, that he wasn't just this guy trying to be a broadcaster.
	He was a dude who was hanging out.
	Again, I think it personalized the whole thing because that's exactly if the three of us are just talking and telling stories of our days at work yesterday, we're going to mix in the crazy things that happened to us that aren't necessarily ready for broadcast.
	And Art would do that as well.
	He would let you inside on some of those things.
	And it made it feel far more personable than anyone else who was on the radio at that time.
	And I think a lot of different people who do broadcasting have incorporated some of the styles that he's done and things that he's picked up, you know, being a student of broadcasting himself.
	I'm sure not everything that I'm talking about here was unique to him, but he did it in such a way that was fluid that it's carried on and it's part of the magic of his broadcasting.
	And, you know, again, there won't be anyone who can do it all the way he did, but I think his legacy lives on in little ways and many different people.
	I just saw in the chat room the mention of, I never can say his name right, but the guy from Egypt, Zahi Hawass.
	Is that how you say it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think that's right.
	So I'm not sure where that guy ended up.
	Like what he does now.
	I know he used to be like the head of Egyptology for the country Egypt.
	But those were some interesting stories with the soap opera of his life.
	What did you guys think of him as a guest and topic of art shows?
	Yeah, I think that my favorite thing of his art played some audio from a videotape where he was giving art a tour of the sarcophagus or a couple of the sites in Egypt.
	And, you know, obviously this guy being, you know, someone quite senior in that was sort of pushing through the crowd and you could just hear him being sort of disgusting to the rank and file tourists that were trying to get into some of these sites and he just pushed past and that was captured on that audio that art played.
	So as to just about Zahi Hawasa, I don't even recall some of the I just remember the story of Art lying down in the sarcophagus and I think he thought he had started to have an out-of-body experience or something like that.
	But looking at that, I don't remember much.
	You could tell that he enjoyed everything about that experience, you know, because he would reference every chance he had when he had anything that, whether the guest was talking about how the pyramids were built, some connection back to an ancient Egyptian god or deity of some type, then he would always reference that story.
	And really quick, anyone who wants to call in, it looks like there are some questions in the chat room about how to connect with us.
	And you can call 573.
	Let me make sure I give you the right number here.
	You would think I could do this off the top of my head, but it's been a long time.
	573-837-4948 to call in from a landline or cell phone.
	You can also reach us on Skype, which would be the preferred way, at searchforufo ship.com.
	And if it's not the only one there, it's the most important one in that search.
	So just send a request to that account and I'll add you as quick as I can.
	And that way we can get you on a conference call.
	If you call in and you are not a member of, or if you haven't sent a friend request to that account, then I won't be able to add you to a group call.
	So that helps me include more voices in the conversation if you do send the request at the same time.
	Which, right on queue, we got a caller in here, so who's joined us and tell us some good stories.
	Yeah, I hope you can hear me.
	This is Luca Parcelli calling in.
	Here you just wanted to.
	Great.
	I just had a very, very quick phone call here.
	I just wanted to say that I've never cried at any other person that's a celebrity.
	They're passing, but art really hit me.
	I was on my ham radio a couple hours ago, and someone was talking about it, and I just couldn't believe it.
	Went immediately to my laptop and heard the news.
	I've been listening to Arch for probably about since 98, and he followed me since now.
	I still listen to him sometimes before I go to sleep.
	I have him on my phone, and he's under my pillow.
	And I just, that's all I really wanted to say is that he's a big part of my life.
	And you guys, all of you, are very important to me.
	And a more gab cast, more bellgab.
	That's all I have to say, really.
	Well, thank you, Luca, for calling.
	And just so you know, you are important to us too.
	And thank you for sharing that great description of how art is so connected to each person who takes the time to listen to him.
	Just the visual of thinking art right there by your pillow, while creepy to some, an Art Bell fan knows that it's not creepy at all.
	Totally.
	If you want to donate some diapers to MP, does MP toilet drag these kids yet?
	I think he's still working on it.
	It's one of the mysteries of the website is how that continues to be an issue.
	So as far as I understand, and I'm totally going to admit that I'm not the most up-to-date on all happenings, but I believe the site is all donation funded at this point.
	So yes, definitely donate some diaper money to the site.
	And thank you very much, Luca, for calling.
	Really appreciate it.
	And what was I going to say with that?
	Like anyone else who wants to call in and share their story, their story.
	Go ahead.
	Diddy, say something real quick.
	I'm surprised at the outpouring of sympathies and stories about art from people that you wouldn't think would.
	You know, people on your Twitter feed or Facebook and they're giving their memories of art.
	And you wouldn't think that they would be that paranormal fans.
	So, I mean, art has touched millions of people.
	And that's no surprise that people are emotional.
	Right.
	Yeah, I mean, it's across all kinds of genres that you wouldn't expect too.
	I just added another caller here, 570.
	You're on the line.
	Hey, hey, this is the horror report.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	Appreciate it.
	Hey, no problem.
	Thank you.
	I just want to let you know I follow you on Twitter.
	Everyone should follow you because you have some great stories that you put out there.
	And it's always fun to read what you have going.
	I truly appreciate that very much.
	You know, I actually made a comment earlier tonight.
	Doesn't it seem like this would be the perfect night for an Art Bell open minds?
	Yes, it does.
	Someone put in this.
	I think back to Hurricane Katrina when he took calls that night.
	I think back to 9-11 when he took calls that night.
	And somehow he, I think to a degree, calmed down the nation in a sense.
	Yeah, I think that he has a voice and a perspective that does that, that allows everyone to join in and experience a calmer perspective than the panic of the day in those kind of situations.
	So I agree.
	But sorry to cut you off there.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	Yeah, and the last thing I'll say, only because I really don't have too many words to describe much.
	It's been one of those strange days where you think you have all these comments you want to make, and you just can't make them because of the emotions of the day.
	But the only thing I want to say is that I felt since this entire event happened, this vision, Art, literally walking towards that light and debating whether or not he should walk into it or if he should listen to John Learn just say the hell with it and walk away.
	I really wish I knew what he did.
	I think that with art, mystery was always the best part of the story.
	And what you just summed up there is probably the greatest mystery he'll leave behind, isn't it?
	Is which direction did he go and what did he see?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	I appreciate you guys doing this tonight.
	I'm going to continue listening and signing off.
	East of the Rockies.
	Have a nice evening.
	Thank you very much for our report.
	I also wonder we never got to hear the Ouija board story, and obviously we never will.
	But that would have been nice.
	And the Bigfoot maps, but I think he told us he'd lost them in a move.
	So someone, you know, we might see one day on Storage Wars, someone opening a storage shed, and there are the maps to Bigfoot.
	Didn't you have a device from Madman Markham too?
	Didn't Madman Markham send him a device?
	And he was, he says, I have it, but I will never in my life plug it in to make sure that's not operational.
	Well, wouldn't it be crazy if that's one of the last things that happened was it was turned on, but we'll never know.
	Good way to go.
	Yeah, we've got a couple people who've joined us.
	Let's start with one that has their caller ID block.
	So unknown number you have called in.
	That would be your next on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey, go ahead.
	Hey, Dave, Doug Evers, it's Alvis.
	Hey, how are you, man?
	Pretty good.
	Yeah, it's been a good day of listening to old friends.
	Kind of fun.
	It is.
	It's been too long, and I wish it had been better circumstances that brought us all together.
	But you are somebody who always has a perspective that kind of sums it up in a way that makes sense.
	So can you do that for us tonight?
	Huh.
	Well, it hasn't happened in my brain yet.
	Maybe it'll happen out of my mouth.
	But I got a text early in the morning from Gravity Sucks, and I thought about it.
	And I started thinking how it kind of used to piss me off, like even when Heather did it, how she would say how sad she was.
	Other people do it too, but that, you know, we lost some rock star or movie star.
	Because I never felt anything like that.
	Maybe Jerry Garcia, man.
	But anyway, so when I got that text early this morning, I was like, no, this actually merits some sadness.
	So, yeah, I spent the morning being sad, and I think that in spite of art's many characteristics, like he showed us a good time.
	So it kind of feels weird to know that's not going to happen anymore.
	I think that's the most common consciousness vibe that's going on with art's passing today.
	Yeah, I was just sitting and listening to you and then hearing my daughter start crying above me and just thought that she just had the right reaction to everything, just crying.
	And because, yeah, I totally agree with the idea that there's very few celebrities or personalities out there that I don't know on a regular basis that I would get truly emotional for.
	But Art could be one of those for me because of just how well he connected on so many things.
	And more importantly, I would say, not to get too mushy with you guys, but the people he connected me with becoming a fan of him.
	Because to get to know someone like you, Eddie, Jazz, MV, all the people who've called tonight, you know, to me, the story of art ends up being the story of all these connections that we have as well.
	And I think that gets missed sometimes for just how great of a broadcaster he was, too.
	And you've met him, right?
	You've been face to face with the guy.
	So you have a real connection as a human being that a lot of us are never going to have.
	What was it like to meet him and be a part of that ramp up to Midnight in the Desert?
	Well, I think I was very fortunate because I don't think too many fanboys got to hang out in his trailer all day.
	So while it was happening, I was just like, really?
	He seemed more frail than one would expect.
	That's one thing I was thinking about it today.
	When I first met him, I was like, oh, shit, this guy's got some health issues.
	And he just seemed like he tolerated us because it was Heather and myself.
	I mean, Heather was in right away.
	I could tell.
	Like, they had a connection.
	And me, I was just like the hippie in the corner, you know, kind of sitting on his cat and whatnot.
	And, you know, kind of high.
	Can I ask you a question really quick with that?
	Did you and Art smoke anything or do anything of interest while you were together?
	No, I was eating edibles.
	So I was all set.
	I just like to think that you handed him a brownie and all was good.
	Art was totally smoking it up with Heather because they were like, you know, just like their tobacco stuff.
	They were like all vape connoisseurs.
	So I was just kind of like out of their league.
	I just like, he had a whole setup.
	He was like quite the smoker.
	He knew all the brands and everything.
	But no, it was like super friendly stuff.
	Like they just treated us like it's like old style visiting.
	When I was a kid, people used to visit more and it was like a flashback.
	I'm like, this is what we used to do.
	We used to just hang out on the sofa, you know, no TV, no internet.
	But CNN was on in the background the whole time.
	And what was really cool, though, is when he took us out and around and showed us like the RV, the garage, the satellite dish, and la la la.
	And I remembered he was pointing towards Area 51 and he's like, it's right over there.
	And we're in the backyard.
	So I just had to ask.
	I said, well, so you ever like see stuff?
	And I remember he just turned around, headed back to the house.
	He's like, oh, hell yeah.
	And that was about all he said about it.
	Nice.
	But did you w within that, did you get the feeling that he had some kind of knowledge in general about any topic that he couldn't share because of whatever reason?
	Just too much in the know.
	Oh, I had that vibe.
	Yeah, he's a military guy.
	And I had kind of that sense that he had enough connections that he wasn't going to talk about.
	And he was actually a little sketchy about all the normal crap we asked him about.
	I remember asking him, so like, where's Art's parts, man?
	Come on.
	And he's, oh, I must have lost him in the move.
	And I was just like, oh, come on, man.
	I think I also asked him about the Bigfoot map.
	Is that Bugsy's map?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And I can't remember.
	He was just like, not really, you know.
	Well, it was kind of cool because being a fanboy, I didn't want to bug him, but I had to ask him a couple of things.
	And then the rest of the time, we actually didn't talk about a damn thing paranormal.
	Mostly just ate coconut macaroons and hung out like normal people.
	So, yeah, no, I was really lucky to have that.
	I didn't get to meet him at a, you know, some kind of convention or something where there's all kinds of other people.
	Just kind of like got to hang out for like a whole day.
	So, yes, pretty nice.
	And then one little part of the story, I guess, which really hasn't been told was that Heather was so nervous that, but she did fine.
	But when we got outside of the trailer, getting ready to leave, you could just tell she was ready to like maybe collapse just from emotion.
	And I knew that she needed one thing and one thing only, and that was like a nice cold beer.
	I wonder, did like either of you like throw up from like, or specifically for her, like the nerves of having to write questions, ask them, and then respond to them on the fly in person.
	Right.
	It was kind of intense, actually.
	So, yeah, I was a little drained too.
	And so what we did is because Sherry's ranch is just like right around the corner.
	I mean, you have to kind of like drive to it to get out of there.
	So it seemed to me like the obvious spot.
	We could have walked there from this place.
	Oh, wow.
	So we just ran in there and drank with the working girls.
	And that's funny.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it was quite pleasant.
	And that was the interview that she did.
	Right?
	Right.
	You guys went up there and she did her first interview with Art?
	Yeah, I think that was June 2015.
	It was about five weeks before he was going to come on to Midnight in the Desert.
	But it was kind of hushy-hushy until just a few days before.
	And I think it broadcast like on the 18th of June or July.
	And then Midnight in the Desert started on the 20th, Moon Landing Day.
	And that was broadcast right here on the Gabcast, wasn't it?
	That's right.
	Yeah, because it was what happened with that was it got launched live.
	Like it was played live and then reaction after it played out.
	Because I wasn't a part of that one, but I was listening because I was out of town for work during that time.
	And I remember how exciting it was to know that was playing out.
	So I forgot about that.
	That was the fourth time that Art interacted with Bell Gabbers on the Gabcast.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you're right.
	Because you totally can count that one too.
	And then, Jazz, you still have that one out on YouTube as well, don't you?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, that's still out there.
	And we also got to talk to Aaron, I think, as well.
	On the capcast.
	Okay, so I'm glad you mentioned that.
	Go ahead, Eddie.
	I want to come back to it.
	I was just going to say, I was going to confirm that.
	I remember when she called in.
	I remember we didn't know what questions to ask her.
	It was kind of awkward, actually.
	Because it was Aaron, and you could tell she was nervous and we were nervous.
	And I don't know, it was just kind of a weird interview.
	In my opinion.
	Not to mention that she didn't seem, and this kind of leads to my question for Aldous, was she didn't seem to be that interested in what art did.
	It was more like he told her, call in, call in, call in.
	You need to be a part of this.
	And then it's like, okay, now I'm stuck here.
	Because I remember one of us asked her, what was her favorite show of his?
	She was totally getting fed the answer.
	But what was it like?
	Did you get to meet her more than just like saying hi?
	And does that, can you confirm that she was not interested in the side interest of art in broadcasting paranormal?
	Or was she actually into it?
	Did she know what art did for a living, I guess is what I'm asking?
	Well, yeah, she hung out with us all day.
	I think the only time she wasn't with us was when we walked out back and when we went to his new studio next door.
	I think she stayed at the house.
	But she appeared way more interested in art's fans than in his show.
	I didn't get any evidence of her actually being interested in the topics or the subject matter.
	But she did make mention of basically how weird we all fucking are.
	Well, she's not wrong.
	So there was that.
	She was aware of that.
	Nice.
	We've also got MV has joined us here.
	Can you hear us?
	Yay.
	Hey, boys.
	What's going on?
	Listen to that voice, professional.
	What?
	Did you say something about Applebee's just now?
	No, I said listen to that voice.
	Oh, I thought you said something about, I think he's calling from Applebee's.
	I wasn't sure it was.
	I thought there's got to be a connection here I'm not making.
	I don't know what it is.
	I think what Jazz is saying is he's hungry and he hears you and thinks Applebee's.
	You know, most people, when they hear my voice, they do think of steak.
	I don't know the connection, but I've been told that.
	Steak without any form of sauce.
	That's an insult to the cook.
	Well, you know, I'm a vegetarian on Fridays.
	Yeah, DGI Fridays.
	Well, that's interesting because when I think of jazz, I think of Outback Steakhouse.
	So it all works out.
	We all are a restaurant somewhere deep in our soul.
	Well, Jazz and Eddie, it's pretty cool to have you guys here.
	I mean, it sucks that it takes Art Bell dying for everybody to kind of get back together, but such is life.
	You know, that's just human nature, whether it's in your personal life with your families or a situation like this.
	You know, it just sort of brings a lot of people together who hadn't seen or spoken to one another in a long time.
	And it's just the way these things go.
	It's amazing how many things in my life changed all because I was aware of Art Bell.
	And, you know, I didn't get terribly teary-eyed over any of it until, I mean, I didn't cry, but when I was reading on Bellgab, people talking about Nori on the air last night and him being really broken up on the air about it.
	For some reason, that kind of got me.
	I don't know why.
	It just something about that just struck me.
	It's odd that it would.
	Would think that since at least from the external perception of things, they kind of didn't like each other.
	Or at least I think Art disliked Nori a lot more than Nori disliked art, if you want to know the truth.
	But if it wasn't for art, Nori wouldn't have a career.
	So he should be broken up about it.
	Yeah, I mean, that's definitely the obvious for sure.
	Nori would be a guy that no one's ever heard of.
	but for Art Bell.
	It's kind of funny.
	Nori used to talk about how he would drive around in his car and listen to Art Bell doing his show, and he just sort of knew in his mind that one day he would be working with art in some capacity, some capacity.
	He didn't know how, he said, but he just knew that one day there would be a relationship there of some sort somehow.
	And now Nori's hosting Coast to Coast AM.
	That's strange how things work, but I know so many people that I wouldn't have known otherwise if it weren't for art.
	I met my wife indirectly, very indirectly, but still in a butterfly effect sort of way connected to my knowledge of and appreciation for Art Bell.
	I sat and thought about this today.
	All of the things that would be different in my life, different in what ways I have no idea.
	And I hate to, I'm not trying to make this about myself, but these events you can only look at through the prism of your own personal experiences.
	And I was just thinking today about all the things in my life, how many of them would be different in some way, shape, or form, had I not known of and been aware of Art Bell.
	A lot of them connected to Belgab, but Belgab wouldn't exist without Art Bell.
	And so, yeah, I mean, the news wasn't exactly shocking because it was pretty obvious the guy was sick.
	I mean, look around.
	He was posting pictures of himself from a hospital bed for Christ's sake.
	What was that?
	Pneumonia?
	COPD.
	Well, but I think what weren't there like pneumatic complications related to the COD?
	I thought he was in specifically for pneumonia about a year ago.
	But it was made worse because of the COPD that had become a big problem for him later in life.
	And I just want to come back, though, to the point you made because it's something I brought up just a little bit ago, too.
	And I think it's ultimately the most important part of it for a lot of us is the connections that we ended up making because of this guy doing a radio show.
	And then second to that is you starting a forum that allowed us to come together and then a radio or a podcast that allowed us to talk about this guy and the forum.
	I mean, it's kind of absurd when you think about it outside of that.
	But without this dude doing a radio show, you wouldn't have any of the fan base that you have.
	And then look at how we were able to come together in an online world and do some fun stuff.
	And not only that, but we ended up influencing the guy.
	If Belgab hadn't existed, I don't think, and yeah, there's other fan sites out there too, and they get a piece of the pie, but nowhere near as big of the piece that Belgab gets to hold in terms of proving to art there's an audience that wants to hear him and interact with him that those connections just end up being something that are truly valuable in a world where real connections with people are becoming devalued so often.
	And I think that's part of the Nori aspect too of him getting emotional about it.
	Dateline in the chat just mentioned that Norrie has to acknowledge his mortality as a result of this, too.
	He's not that much younger, if I'm remembering correctly.
	It's within a decade.
	Yeah, but he takes turmeric, you see.
	Well, that's true.
	There is that, and doesn't even put a little bit of colloidal silver in that, too.
	So those together probably make a big difference.
	But I wish he would turn blue.
	That would just be a hoot.
	That would be.
	Then they have to.
	Well, I guess he does have a video thing with Gaia and whatever his show is called on it.
	But even the connections in life, what would George Norrie be doing today other than a live YouTube stream weekly with a Patreon account if it wasn't for the connections he got because of Art Bell as well?
	He'd be working at some forgettable station in the Midwest.
	Yeah, that's true.
	I want to add one more connection to our call here really quick.
	You were on the line, Bits.
	I just saw that you were trying to call.
	Can you hear us?
	I'm here.
	I had to turn my radio down.
	Yeah, please turn extinguish thy device.
	So we're talking about connections.
	I just want to point out that, of course, I live in Muncie, Indiana, and that is the headquarters of the Michael VanDeven Fan Club.
	And I'm number one and leader of the VanDeven Fan Club with member number two being Breg, who runs out of our East Coast office.
	I'm number zero.
	You are.
	You are patient zero is what we call you too, in that, as we burn a picture to you in effigy.
	But you said earlier that you gave Belgab a lot of credit for the fact that Art Bell came back, both, I think, in the Sirius XM run-up and Midnight in the Desert.
	And I totally agree with that.
	And I don't say that in a braggadocious way.
	When I say I think Belgab is hugely responsible for the fact that that happened, I don't mean Belgab proper in terms of a script running on a server that I installed.
	Yay me.
	That's not what I mean.
	I mean the people of Belgab.
	All of you listening right now, all of you who listen to this later, all of you posting on the forum, some not listening to this for whatever reason.
	I don't know.
	It doesn't matter.
	I really do think that that was a huge catalyst.
	It showed art how many people loved him and wanted him back, if nothing else.
	I mean, just a collection of people on Belgab who promoted and talked and talked him into it.
	Had it not been for Belgab and the focal point of all that adoration, what mechanism would have been out there to present that to Art to show him that he was wanted back?
	Any other mechanism, whether it had been like a Twitter or a Facebook, it wouldn't have had the magnifying effect of all of these lasting forever posts in a forum.
	You know, there's something that was concrete to that in a world of in-the-moment social media.
	But I want to get to the story really quick with Bits because he's a real-world connection I made through Bellgab and the podcasting world and everything that was created from, again, Art Bell doing a radio show and then you MV making Bellgab, somebody that I got to meet in person.
	And we just have a crazy story from yesterday.
	Bits, do you want to share that?
	Sure.
	Hi, guys, by the way.
	Hey, buddy.
	So Curtis and I probably we've been trying to get together for I'm saying two years.
	It probably hadn't been quite that long, but we keep saying we're going to get together and visit.
	So finally we decided to make it happen last night.
	And of all nights, we were sitting around talking about how we met and the Bell Gab story and all of that.
	And then wake up this morning and find out of Art's passing.
	And it just goes to show you how synchronistic things are.
	And just the fact that it took so long to meet up and the night we met up to discuss some of this stuff was the night he passed away.
	It was just crazy.
	Yeah, isn't it crazy that it was about the same time?
	I mean, as we're telling stories about our fandom of art and Bell Gab, that's happening.
	I mean, it's so it's exactly what you would want to have happen as a fan of art to know that you were actually thinking directly of him and reminiscing in a very positive way about what it is to be an Art Bell fan while he's either deciding if he's going to go to the light or the dark or say screw it to all of it and hoist the flag and start broadcasting from whatever purgatory that would be if you don't pick the light of the dark.
	It was just very creepy in my opinion, the way things worked out.
	But like I said, it just falls right in line with everything that Art talked about over his whole life, you know?
	Right.
	So I also want to bring up, because I've got two people on the line right now, an Aldous and Ubits, that have been to Art's place, whether it's gone in to do an interview and meet the guy or stand outside his place and get a lay of the land.
	You both have been standing there before.
	Has anyone else that's on the phone right now, and we've got a couple people who've joined too, anyone been there in person besides those two?
	I once made a firecracker purchase in Perump.
	Well, there was a rumor of that.
	And there's also a rumor that you were going to be mowing Art's lawn at some time.
	I also have a lava rock from his yard.
	Was it mowed by MV?
	I don't know.
	Well, see, now that's just theft, sir.
	That is true.
	He concedes.
	Okay.
	You guys know what it is.
	I do have a funny story regarding my trip to Art's location.
	So I went to Las Vegas on my honeymoon, and we went out there.
	We rented a car and went out there and just drove around.
	And I had my wife take a bunch of pictures of myself in front of the property in front of the radio station and such.
	So fast forward to a couple years ago, and I actually was able to contact Art on the ham radio.
	And we, a lot of people, as you know, ham radio operators, they exchange postcards called QSL cards to confirm the contact.
	So I didn't have any QSL cards made up at the time.
	So I took a picture, the picture of myself standing in front of his property and then laid all the pertinent information over that picture and actually emailed him that image.
	And I think he pretty much cut ties with me after that, thinking I was a creeper.
	But I thought that was a pretty funny story.
	After I did it, I thought, well, that probably wasn't a very good idea, but it was still a good story anyway.
	I mean, you stole a minimal amount of landscaping.
	I don't know why anybody has any problem with you.
	Well, I didn't tell him that on the radio, though.
	Oh, he doesn't know.
	Okay.
	Yeah, you realize if you had connected those two dots, you might have had somebody from the FBI come to your house to ask if you had purchased any illegal out-of-state fireworks during the timeframe of July 2015 to December.
	That was MB that bought the fireworks, right?
	Well, you could have bought them, but it sounds like maybe you provided the two him.
	That's aiding and abetting.
	And you obviously had done some laying of the land there.
	So, okay, so hang up on them before they can trace the line.
	Yeah, actually, we're going to backtrace it.
	We're going to get you.
	Sir, that's already done.
	Take a peek out the window right now.
	So, Aldous, was his property, what would you describe it as compared to what you expected it to be and what you actually saw?
	Or are you gone?
	If you're not there anymore, Bits, you describe it compared to what you thought it would be and what you saw.
	Well, I don't know really what I thought it would be.
	It was pretty boring.
	I expected amusement rides.
	Okay.
	And I had never been out west before, so I didn't know that they didn't have grass or anything like that.
	So pretty much just gravel and sand and dirt.
	And I mean, his property itself is really pretty cool.
	I mean, literally out in the open.
	And, you know, when he said that his backyard is basically, you know, wide open space until you get to the mountains, he wasn't lying.
	That's pretty much what it was.
	Okay, so the elephant in the room here, and let's not dwell on this, but you've seen Heather's house, right?
	Before it was Heather's house.
	You've seen the second building.
	Right.
	What?
	That's Heather's house.
	Okay, we can talk about that too after this.
	But yeah, would you buy it if Art offered you?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, probably.
	Well, you just want the equipment inside it, right?
	And the landscaping.
	That's true.
	Well, he's already got some.
	I want access to his antennas.
	Yeah.
	nice okay well before we it's it's a it's a modular home just like his just a little smaller um I mean, really, both properties are pretty nice as far as that goes.
	So tell us something about art that is, besides the fact that you stalked him and then sent him proof of it, give us one more story here to close out.
	Well, let's see.
	I'll just tell you basically how Art brought me to you guys.
	You know, he was on the air, and then I just wanted to listen to more and more of what he was doing.
	So I stumbled upon MV's stream, and I actually, I probably told this story to you guys before, but I was pretty serious about listening.
	At that time, I had a PC running, Winamp, and I just had it constantly connected to his stream.
	And I had was living at home at the time and had a radio room in my parents' basement with all my computer stuff.
	And I had audio wiring running up into my bedroom with volume pots so I could turn the audio up and down.
	And I just basically had a constant stream going all the time listening to different Art Bell episodes.
	And then, of course, when he was live, I had an old car stereo that I had mounted in my room with a 600-foot-long wire antenna so I could hear virtually any of the AM stations.
	If one faded out, I could find another one.
	So I was a pretty avid listener.
	So another happy fan there or customer, I guess, of Van Davin International.
	He made a big impact on me.
	I really opened my eyes of what's possible, what may be possible, or just kind of allowed me to think and brought me to you guys.
	I mean, if it weren't for art, like you guys said, none of us would know each other.
	I mean, that's the fact of the matter.
	Yeah, I've only met you, Curtis, but being on with you guys and listening to MV and listening to everybody else, I feel like I know you.
	And that's what it's all about.
	Totally agree.
	Well, thank you for calling and sharing that story because sharing.
	If you need a kidney buddy, you let me know.
	Well, you guys, hopefully this isn't the end for us.
	And I appreciate everything all of you guys have done.
	And it's been a real good ride.
	Yes, it has.
	Thank you very much.
	What's the ham radio way of ending?
	Is it 73s?
	Is that what Art would say?
	73.
	73s.
	All right.
	Well, thank you for calling.
	You guys take care.
	See ya.
	Okay, we got one more person who's joined here.
	Element 115, you there?
	Yes, I'm here.
	All right.
	Is that your Bell Gab name?
	It is, isn't it?
	Yes.
	That's my thought.
	Okay, cool.
	So take us somewhere.
	Where do you want to go?
	Wow.
	I don't know what to, you know, it's just, it's hard to find the words, you know, tonight.
	I think I'm in the denial phase, like Starr mentioned.
	Just kind of not really believing what's going on, just kind of like in a daze.
	I heard the news this morning.
	My brother sent me an email.
	I was on the way to the store, and I saw the email, and I looked at the subject line, and it said Art Bell, and I opened the email, and I saw the link, and I looked at the link, and I was just like, oh, my God, you know, driving down the street, just, you know, just kind of in a, kind of in a daze, just not really believing what's going on, just in a state of denial.
	I've been listening since 97.
	So it's been a long time.
	Yeah, so you have a long history then of him as part of the story of radio for you.
	So with all of the things he did on his different shows, what's something that is going to stand out to you as like a high-level memory of what it means to be an R Bell fan?
	Oh, there's so many different things that I can think about.
	Let me think, going back, as far as some favorite topics or some stories.
	Anything, wherever you want it to go.
	Yeah.
	What's that mean to you?
	I think what comes to mind, I think, is the Jonathan Reed story really grabbed me for a while.
	And I thought that was really interesting.
	Only to find out later on that it was, you know, it wasn't entirely a truthful story.
	But at the time, it was awesome, wasn't it?
	Yeah, it captured me, you know, and it was just listening to it and I was thinking how awesome that was and just how great art is with the guest anyway.
	Just the way the story, the way he is with the guests just made the story so much better with so many of his guests.
	And there's just so many things that were highlights, you know uh, Father Malachi, Martin um, those were just some of my favorites and, of course, Linda Moulton Howe um, just so many to think of.
	I actually took notes before I called because i'm like I don't want to, I want to make sure that I, you know, remember what I want to say.
	Um well, since you're the most prepared of all of us, let's go through your notes.
	Let's uh make sure you get they're a little bit scattered but uh, I guess, like listening to Art was kind of like a con, like talking to a friend, or it was just, you know, it was very person, personal to me, I guess, you know, like being on the radio and he just in the way he talked and just helped relax, you know, helps relax you, and the way he spoke to people and um just really captured you.
	I totally agree.
	It's the way he would uh tell a story, or help someone tell their story was in such a way that it was like you're in the room with them, like he yeah, it was.
	It was like it was exactly like you were in the room with him and um, he was uh very open-minded and he didn't he, he was non-judgmental but but he, but obviously if if if um, if it was bs, you know he would call it, call the person out on it.
	You know he, you know so it wasn't, you know if it was something really far-fetched um, but you know, I had a weird feeling when he left midnight in the desert.
	Anyway, just like every, all of us, I think pretty much all of us did um just, you know the whole, the whole story with the stalker and um just, I don't know, you know, I don't know what to think about the whole stalker story.
	Uh reading, you know, reading the Bellgab threads a lot, and after he left midnight in the desert I just I, I was out of the loop on Bellgab for a long time, just because, you know, just hoping he was going to come back.
	But I did, you know, i'd pop on, I did, I do pop in once in a while and see some of the threads, you know, check out some of the threads.
	But um, and you know a lot of the, a lot of the lines I like when he would open a special line, you know the weird person line, abduction lines, and you know all the special lines he would open.
	Oh yeah, remote viewing was also another interesting subject.
	I mean, it's something that really happened and you know so it wasn't entirely bs.
	I know that you know Ed Dames kind of got called out on a lot of, a lot of his bs, but but there's some truth to it too.
	So well, and it's always important too, in the the whole remote viewing, Ed Dames was a lightning rod to it, but there were plenty of other people that were involved in that, who actually were the leaders of it, that were also on his show.
	That kind of started the conversation of it.
	It's just Ed Dames was the, the lightning rod personality of Doctor Doom that kept everybody interested.
	But yeah, none of his predictions I don't even think any of them really came true.
	So I guess it kind of gives a bad name to something that is was really happening, Happening.
	I mean, remote viewing was really, really done.
	I mean, there's a lot of information on it by the government, remote viewing.
	Yeah, those type of guests were so believable because they were so passionate and art and the finesse of art to bring things out of them or to accentuate certain points.
	That kind of thing really made it special.
	Even though we knew or we know now that it was all just BS, or a lot of it was.
	Especially Reed and Dick.
	Right, exactly.
	Especially Jonathan Reed.
	But at the time, it was just, it captured you.
	It was also a product of the time because the internet was in its infancy.
	We didn't have access to all this information to debunk these guys at our fingertips.
	So it was a sort of special time when you sort of could believe these things because you had nowhere to go to sort of prove or disprove or whatever.
	And it just held your imagination.
	Yeah, the best kind of research you had was a magazine that might come out once a month at that point, right?
	That you could get stories from.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you can't, you couldn't back then.
	You couldn't just do a quick Google search, right?
	One of the things that really sticks in my mind was Art Bell's near-death experience that he had, and he talked about.
	And you think about now, you know, what he must be experiencing now.
	Yeah.
	Do you remember the near-death experience he talked about?
	I think it was more of an out-of-body experience.
	He was in the hospital, right, when he had the out-of-body experience.
	No, he was in...
	No, he was just...
	Yeah.
	He was just at his house, I believe.
	Okay, I was thinking that he was in the hospital.
	That must have been someone else on it.
	I remember him talking about it.
	No, that was a hotel room in Paris.
	Oh, yes, yes.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	MDs, right?
	Yeah.
	That's a hotel now to think about it.
	Okay, so with all the fantastic stories that he had heard throughout life and then his own out-of-body experiences and everything about near-death, do you think in the last moments, I have to believe that your brain starts working at a higher pace when it knows that things are about to reach the end of their run.
	Do you think it constructed just the most fantastical thing possible because of the stories he's heard late at night from all these different people?
	I don't know.
	I don't know if DMT discriminates or not.
	I don't know if it's because DMT is released in the brain before you die.
	Yeah, it's a huge chemical reaction when the brain is dying.
	So a lot of researchers are saying that's why people have near-death experiences.
	It's a product of the mind itself.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's one more thing.
	Go ahead.
	No, just that the more enriched your experience of stories are of things like that, the more likely your brain is going to develop connections to build that kind of experience for you as you transition to whatever happens next.
	I hope so.
	I hope it was all the good stuff.
	I hope it was all the good stuff he experienced.
	And he went through all the happy times before he died.
	So does anybody know what the actual circumstances of his death were?
	I mean, was he surrounded by his family or did they find him dead or was it a sudden thing?
	Whitley posted something on Velgab on the Art Bell thread saying that he died peacefully in his sleep, I believe.
	I don't know because there's not a whole lot of information that was released about it, but they're talking about an autopsy now, which, I mean, I don't know.
	They don't normally do those, do they?
	No, I know.
	Don't doctors just confirm the death and probably COPD related, I would assume.
	Well, the family can ask for autopsy.
	So they must have asked then.
	I don't know.
	There's not a lot of information, though, about how it happened.
	I hope he didn't go by COPD because that's a horrible way to go.
	Yeah, you just had a friend of mine's mother died of COPD, and it's basically just you take the oxygen away from them, and the last final days you just take their oxygen away.
	You just have the family members where he was just checking in, and they were taking turns checking in on her, and then eventually she just stopped breathing, and they just let her stop breathing.
	Yeah, in the chat, they're talking about Chameleon 808 brought up the video clip of the sheriff announcing it was odd.
	Does anyone watch that?
	Because I haven't seen it.
	I haven't seen it, but I agree that it is odd for the sheriffs to do the announcing.
	I thought that was weird.
	Yeah, I mean, there's the whole conversation of Keith's reaction to it.
	What I would say is over reaction and misdirection the wrong way.
	But I just wonder if it is weird to have a sheriff, even though Art probably was like the biggest celebrity in that town.
	But it is weird.
	And I think Keith is mad because, I don't know, they stole his thunder or something.
	He wanted to probably make a show out of it or something.
	A GIF.
	Would they make a GIF on the website for it?
	What I think is that they wanted to be the first to post it online so that the stories that were written about Art's death subsequently would refer to what they had written and in turn funnel some traffic into the show.
	I mean, that might be perhaps me suspecting the worst in people, but I think it's the most plausible explanation given his reaction.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	It could also be that they wanted accurate information out there, too.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but we're talking about.
	Well, he's dead.
	Yeah.
	Six weeks just mentioned something about six weeks just mentioned something about unattended death and autopsies required.
	I didn't know that.
	Yeah, so yeah, if that's what happened, then it might just be totally normal.
	Got anything else on your list?
	I want to make sure we hit it all here before moving on to the surprise conversation with Jazz we're going to have.
	No, just, you know, the Ouija story.
	We're never going to hear about this Ouija board story unless you told somebody.
	I hope he told Aldous or Heather so that they could somehow relay it to us.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, that's it for me.
	So, well, thank you for calling and sharing some of your experiences and how art was a big part of your listening life, too.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you're welcome.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	No problem.
	See you, buddy.
	See you later.
	All right, we had an unknown phone number call in.
	You still there?
	Nope.
	I'm still here.
	You are there.
	Okay.
	Who do we have on the line?
	Good evening, gentlemen.
	This is Chef.
	This is a Chef.
	You're quiet, man.
	Hey, man.
	Hey, she outfits.
	Well, it's very, it's very.
	Everyone in the chat is excited to hear all of you back together again, and I'm one of them.
	Me too.
	I'm assuming you are hiding right now.
	You're between some cacti where from your position, you can look to your left and you can see Falky, and to your right, you can see the compound that Art used to be the sole proprietor of.
	Am I correct?
	I can neither confirm nor deny.
	That would be what's that called a glow glomar response.
	Okay.
	Glomar response.
	Glomar or yeah.
	Moving on.
	What are the clips?
	I just saw the email that you had sent.
	Glomar.
	Before we get to the Glomar?
	What is that?
	You're not wrong.
	I just think it's awesome that you knew that, if in fact it is correct.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I can tell you why, but then I'd have to kill you.
	So let's move on.
	So we have clips tonight.
	These are hot mic clips.
	We're going to get to them here in a second.
	I just want to mention one thing.
	We had a great pre-show today.
	We had about five hours of playing bumper music, telling Art Bell stories.
	It was just a wonderful time.
	We had quite a few people in the chat.
	I want to thank you, Curtis.
	Oh, you're welcome.
	No, I didn't make one.
	I think I already should be able to make a recording through butt, the best audio program.
	I think it did.
	I think it automatically recorded because I'd had that set up.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I would have done that for you.
	I think it did.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Pass it along and I'll post it on the UFO ship RSS feed.
	Okay, perfect.
	Yeah, I have to say before you go on, that your stream this morning or this afternoon was great.
	All those songs from the Art Bell archives.
	It was kind of emotional for me to listen to some of those songs I haven't heard in a long time.
	So good job, Bill.
	Thank you.
	Thank you on that.
	Oh, yeah, thanks a lot.
	And a lot of people had that same response.
	I know I did, especially with a couple of the songs, like The Year of the Cat.
	I don't know why, but that song, I only think of Art Bell when I hear that song.
	And I think all of us have a song.
	Yeah.
	We all have a song.
	Sorry, not to cut you off.
	That line always grabbed me.
	I don't know why.
	Okay, so do you want me to play these?
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Let me not make you jump ahead.
	I'm just going to make one point.
	We can go to the clips and then I'm done.
	I think it's important to understand, and this is what we talked about on the show today, the significance Art Bell had on radio goes beyond just being an excellent host of a radio show, long-form talk format.
	But he and Rush Limbaugh, I'm not talking about politics, just them in terms of business, saved AM radio as a viable business concept.
	Oh, I think you're right.
	Because basically from 1970 to 1990, FM completely dominated.
	We were talking about this today.
	If you remember, prior to 1970, the radios that came standard at automobiles only had an AM dial.
	After 1970 and afterwards, they had both AM and FM.
	And then that was the demise of AM for the most part.
	And then in here around 1990, late 80s, 1990 came Rush Limbaugh and then Art Bell and syndication, and it completely revived the bandwidth for AM.
	And so the significance of art goes beyond just being a great host.
	He created a whole genre of programming.
	And that has to be, you know, his legacy has to be that, really, along with just being an excellent host.
	No, you're 100% right.
	It was a whole, like, the genre that he helped build the scaffolding and plans and everything for is a full mansion now in terms of the media that and money that can be made.
	Just think if he had stayed somewhat consistent in his broadcasting and in the early 2000s and well, even before that, because I can't remember when the Blair Witch came out, but that's kind of the watershed moment to where you can make a lot of money on a low budget doing something paranormal sounding.
	And because that wasn't just a horror story, it was supposed to have a whole legend around it, too, that if art had capitalized in a different way, I mean, he did sort of capitalize on being in commercials and TV shows that he was interested in, but if he had truly just sold out doing it, he would have been just a huge mogul.
	He would have been the Steve Jobs that up until the end of his life was still finger on the pulse of what exactly is happening rather than the way it ended up playing out for him.
	And I just realized I want to jump.
	This is like going a negative way after the really positive discussion, but I don't know of a better person to get Jazz up to speed on the revelation that was given to him about Heather than you, Chefist.
	Yeah, well, I was handed these two clips today.
	I have not heard them.
	I wanted to hear them for the first time.
	I believe so.
	I believe that they are.
	And all I know is that they were given to me in confidence by an anonymous source.
	I have not heard them.
	I'll be hearing them for the first time with all of you.
	And there's two clips.
	They're in your email, and you can play them whenever you want.
	And then now this could be a total Al Capone vault moment.
	I don't know, but we're going to hear them for the first time.
	I so hope it's just the sound of a goat farting.
	I hope it is.
	Does this make you or me Geraldo Rivera?
	Just so I understand where we sit in history.
	Oh, it has to be me.
	Okay, good.
	I just want to be sure that, like, in typical Curtis fashion, that you're the one who gets blamed for it.
	Okay, cool.
	So, all right, I've got Midnight in Arts Ham Shack.
	And Way, okay.
	Do you have a do you have a preference here?
	I feel like I've already done too much.
	I have, I do.
	You can go ahead and read the title of the file.
	I think that lends to it.
	Okay, do you mean to read it out loud before I play it or just play it and then tell you what it says?
	Yeah, I think the titles are great.
	So say it first.
	That's what it makes you.
	Yeah, say it first.
	Okay.
	So we're going to start.
	I'm now going to play blah, blah, blah.
	Okay.
	I'm now going to play Midnight and Arts Ham Shack with Heather Wade.
	Well, you know, one of the things that I love to do is bring you things that you just don't know about that you're not going to hear anywhere else.
	Well, my guest this evening is Donald L. Zagudis, and he has recently released a book called The Sagan Conspiracy.
	Likely you have never heard of this, and we're learning all about it tonight.
	So I'd like to welcome Donald Zagudis back to the program.
	Welcome back, Donald.
	We've just gotten started here, and you said that Carl Sagan was working on a paper that was going to reveal his interest in the ancient alien theory, and then he passed away.
	Do you think there's a possibility he might have had some smoking gun evidence to prove the ancient alien theory and that that's perhaps why he was unfortunately taken out?
	Oh, I see.
	It looks like.
	Is the night going to go like this?
	It looks like my guest has somehow the call has dropped.
	So let me get him back.
	Boy, I tell you what, maybe the song I should have played was nothing but a heartache, huh?
	Let me see here if we can't make this happen.
	Okay.
	I apologize for this, everybody.
	Just doing my best here.
	I don't know if we'll get him back or something happened or if the NSA decided to cut the call off.
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	Maybe he chinned the hang-up button, right?
	That happens now and then.
	Pro, not sure he heard my question.
	I looked at the phone, saw he was there, asked my question, looked back, and the call was gone, so I don't know what went on.
	If I can't get him back, well, we'll have to go to Open Lines, which would be really unfortunate because we just sort of opened this can of worms.
	And I was really, really excited about having the conversation.
	Okay, so we may have him back.
	Let's see here.
	If you have a tone, please record your voice message.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, I can travel more time.
	Four minutes left.
	This sure is fun.
	And we'll see what happens, everybody.
	I guess you're all along for this ride with me, and I appreciate that.
	It's sort of beyond my control at this point.
	So we'll see.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Get out your telephonic devices.
	You just might need them.
	We'll see if we can get him back.
	I don't know.
	And if we can't, that'd be a bummer because we'd have to go to Open Lines.
	Let me see.
	We'll check this one more time.
	Mr. Donald Zagudis, is that you?
	At the tone, please record your voice.
	All right.
	Well, that is two tries.
	And I guess we'll have to go to Open Lines.
	I really don't know what's going on right now.
	We started conversation, started conversation off well.
	Who knows?
	Maybe my questions just aren't good enough.
	Maybe he doesn't like Thelma Houston.
	Who doesn't like Thelma Houston?
	Yeah, I don't know, everybody.
	I have no answers right now.
	But wow, what a way to begin a program, huh?
	Wow.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	What do you say?
	Should I try one more time?
	I mean, they do say that the third time's a charm, right?
	Should I try once more?
	I mean, if I don't get him back, it sure would be a good laugh.
	Oh, I'm going to try one more time.
	All that can happen is he just won't answer one more time.
	let's see five four one all right we'll try once more uh And I see that you good people out there are starting to fill up the lines.
	So do continue to do that.
	Because, you know what?
	This is really, really strange evening tonight that this would happen this evening and this way.
	And, you know, to be perfectly honest with you, this is the only contact method that I have for Mr. Donald Zagudis.
	So if he doesn't pick up, that's it.
	And what a bummer.
	I'll have to go read the book to get the entire story because I don't know that we're going to get it tonight.
	And I apologize to everybody.
	Let's see here.
	I'll try this one more time.
	Voice message.
	When you are finished recording, you may hang up or press pound for more options.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Boy, I really have.
	Okay, I had to pause that, man.
	Okay.
	You guys there?
	Yeah.
	Chefist.
	You with me?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	We're going to get a payoff soon because we just listened to almost listening to these for the first time.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We're going to start.
	If it's a very long file, maybe go to the very end and see if anything.
	I don't think we're going to get.
	We're going to move on to the next clip.
	So far, it's very much unless you're telling me to keep going.
	No, I have not heard them.
	So there might be some information at the end.
	If not, you could try the next file.
	Okay, so we're going to jump up to the next one, which is this clip is wading through the desert.
	Keith spills the beans from 701, so that's July 1st, 2016.
	If this is a long clip, yeah, if this is a long clip that, wait a minute, so people are telling me to play it all.
	What I'm going to do is I'm going to give these clips to MV that he can attach them in the blog post for this, just so we can, if you want to hear the whole thing of what we just played.
	Oh, people are saying that they want me to play it to the end because it's epic.
	So we missed something in that.
	Am I right?
	What?
	Okay.
	What?
	I need to keep playing.
	It's Schottenfreuda.
	Oh, gosh.
	All right.
	Hold on.
	Let me see if I can play this in a different way that'll get it to come through where I can seek.
	Just a moment.
	You have to bear with me because I played him through my Malachi Martin.
	You got to see it through.
	If I had a soul, I would get it.
	Element 115 says Art would want us to have fun tonight.
	Okay, hold on.
	See if I can get this to connect.
	This is the problem of all right.
	Let's see.
	Oh, so, can I call him again?
	Just a moment.
	It's going to just pop in here in a moment.
	These clips being mailed in by the Postal Service, all I can do is to all of you.
	I was just as excited as you to hear this conversation.
	And I have, well, you've heard the results here as we go along.
	So, anyhow.
	Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Was that it?
	That went to the end.
	What?
	Play that again.
	What the hell was that?
	I feel so underwhelmed, I'm telling you.
	What was that?
	That was the clap.
	Well, you know what?
	Right now, because I here.
	That's just my imagination firing off a conspiratorial mind at work here.
	But what I imagine is somebody walking into his house and going over to the phone and hitting click.
	That's just my imagination firing off.
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	I really have no idea.
	Whereas Carl Sagan was famous for saying extraordinary claims.
	And the first extraordinary evidence.
	While it was playing, it sounded like it was being heavily noisegated.
	It shouldn't be.
	I think it's Skype doing that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, because there's no noise gate on that.
	Okay, let me pause it.
	So I'm pretty much right into the same spot I stomped at earlier.
	Was it something I said?
	What if you...
	Must have been.
	What if you just forward the clips to me and if I were to play it?
	I personally, I think it must have been Selma Houston.
	You know, not everybody likes disco.
	Okay, so hold on.
	I really don't know.
	All I can do is speculate right now because I don't have the other side of the story.
	What I imagine with your territorial mindset.
	But what I imagine is NSA, right?
	Well, at least, if not more.
	Okay, here we're going to go to the next one, which was the Keith.
	Others Against Bad Broadcasting.
	I think we lost Heather.
	I'm sorry about that.
	Power is out in Mad Nevada.
	Can you hear this?
	Clip.
	Or could you hear Keith talking?
	No.
	Okay, hold on here.
	I'll try it through here and see if that because you could hear it.
	I think we lost Heather.
	I'm sorry about that.
	Power is out in Parum, Nevada, or wherever she is, somewhere around that area.
	California, Southern California, Northern California.
	I heard it.
	East West somewhere to Southwest.
	So we're going to go to a break, and we may come back with a different show just to keep everything going.
	But remember, Art at midnight, and we will try to bring her back as soon as we can.
	And we'll be back after a commercial break, and we will replay another show until we can get Heather back.
	Thank you for being patient.
	Okay, I just, listen, I played it for everyone on the stream to hear.
	Oh, that's fine.
	That's fine.
	And it was underwhelming.
	Oh, shit.
	Well, I think the most important part was that these were over two years ago and that it was basically the evidence that the transmissions had been from Art's studio for this entire time.
	Oh, really?
	Because I didn't hear that from it.
	This is what was told to me.
	Yeah, you're smoking gun in this or deep throat, whatever the name was for your Yosaurus.
	I needed to have better isolated clips of it.
	Okay, well, I could't tell you his name, but I can tell you he won the chat room shout-outs today.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, so I must push on this.
	Are they on this call right now?
	No.
	Well, we've got another person on the line, so caller, you're on the air.
	Are you smoking gun or deep throat?
	No, I wish I was, though.
	That sounds cool.
	But no.
	No.
	It's Sheriff in.
	Hey, how are you?
	Hey, Dave.
	I'm good.
	How are you guys doing?
	Hey, Seraphim.
	You know, actually, someone just asked me to call and prove that I'm not Cassio.
	So I've heard nothing that proves you're not, just so you know.
	What?
	I've heard nothing so far that doesn't prove that you are not.
	Oh, well, damn it.
	Unless Cassio has a sexy voice.
	Oh, well, that's nice of you.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate that.
	No, it's Saratham 27.
	I just want to say hi.
	And no, I'm not Cassio.
	I think Roswell's art asked me earlier to call into Discord to say, but I couldn't figure it out.
	So I'm so sorry about that.
	But no, I'm not Cassio.
	And yes, I'm really sad, of course, that I'm really sad, of course, about art.
	And I won't go.
	Okay, sure.
	I'm just kidding.
	I don't know how you're going to say that.
	I was about to tell you a really sad story.
	And then I'm like, oh, Lord, let's try to do this without crying.
	But no, I am bouncing back and forth.
	I've also got Senda's channel on my other phone, and he's showing everyone his very valuable collection of wind-up toys.
	So that's very sentimental over there.
	And so I figured you guys would be a nice welcome release because, you know, a lot of heavy emotion over there looking at his little fleshies and hearing about his eyes.
	But anyway, you know, thanks everybody for being here.
	And it was a nice place to go.
	I know art, you know, thought we were vaguely lovable, but, you know, it's nice to have somewhere to go.
	I was shocked this morning when I woke up and saw that.
	I thought it was a joke, and then I realized it was real.
	And it was just nice to have a group of people to go to and share the sadness.
	So thanks.
	Can you tell us what part of Art's broadcasting history that you'll carry with you the most?
	What stuck out the most to you?
	Yeah.
	Well, I'm in my, let me just say the way that the ladies are saying it this these days.
	I'm in my fab 40s.
	We'll say it like that instead of an old lady.
	But when I was in my young twenties and my 30s, I worked for news.
	I was a journalist and I worked for mid-sized newspapers.
	And, you know, the way you get ahead in that industry is just to move around, of course, from paper to paper and get better and better jobs and move to bigger and bigger papers.
	So I was always moving from state to state.
	And, you know, granted, I would always make friends in those states.
	But that first, you know, move to Chicago or Arizona or Indiana or wherever the hell I was moving to work for a newspaper, those first few weeks were always really lonely, you know, in my little apartments all alone.
	And Art Bell was just always there on the radio at night.
	I think the nights were the worst.
	You know, when you're in a city where you don't know anyone and you're starting a brand new job and you're just a really young, I'm going to say kid.
	And no offense to all of you who are in that age range out there.
	But, you know, 20s and 30s is still kind of a kid.
	And I was just young and scared.
	And the nights were kind of lonely, you know, and but art was always on the radio at night and it just meant so much to me.
	And then not only that, I loved everything he was talking about.
	And it's it's hard to find people who who like things, who like paranormal topics.
	I mean, you can't bring that up at a cocktail party or whatever.
	Like, hey, tell me about your favorite ghost story or whatever.
	So it's har you know, it's hard to find like-minded people.
	On that point, back 20 years ago, it was, but now it's not so hard because of art breaking ground and other people picking it up and carrying it forward.
	Because now you could have that conversation.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, he was the first one to really make it something that was cool to talk about.
	So God bless him for that.
	You know, my grandparents' house used to be a morgue.
	So I grew up in that big, creepy house with all this stuff going on.
	And it felt good to hear other people talk about their own kind of paranormal experiences like that.
	And so I loved him.
	I'm not going to, I cried.
	Yeah, I just want to say, hey, I think you guys are all great night.
	Yeah.
	And thanks for your show.
	And I'll be listening.
	So take care.
	What do I do?
	I'll just hang up now, right?
	Hang up.
	You should shut your camera off before you hang up, though.
	Well, that would ruin all the fun, wouldn't it?
	Actually, I'm reliably informed that there is no off-button on MV Enterprises' Ethernet cameras.
	Well, you know, when Sheffist was telling me earlier that he had super secret audio that he was going to present to the show tonight, I thought, well, I've given official MV laptops to a very limited number of people.
	So I don't know how this audio got out there.
	Yeah, and I was reading in the chat how they were discussing it.
	I guess the chat room picked up on the line that sealed the deal for what these clips were about, where Keith said that they lost the connection or they lost power in perump.
	And so that's how he wasn't able to communicate with Heather.
	But obviously, Keith isn't in Perump, Nevada.
	For anyone who's paid attention, he's actually in Arizona, isn't he?
	Next question.
	He's in Scottsdale, I believe.
	Isn't he?
	Okay.
	That sounds like it could be the title of Heather's next podcasting venture, Power and Perump with Heather Wade.
	Call now.
	Are you making the inference that because the power went down in Perump, she was physically located in Perump two years before?
	Yeah, so did you just find out tonight that she lived on arts land?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	The reaction to it was just great.
	You didn't know either?
	No, I didn't.
	Yeah.
	I only know about it because I don't know.
	I just happened to read something on Facebook where she was talking about it.
	But of course, there's always been a long-running rumor that she was there way earlier.
	So what Sheffist put out there was the smoking gun within that story, I guess.
	but it also could have just been a mistake.
	It could have been...
	Well, it could have been, unless it's all routed through arts equipment that he had there, but...
	Why would it be, though?
	I have no idea.
	That wouldn't make any sense.
	But I didn't, I mean, these audio clips, if in fact the conclusion you can reach from them is that Heather's been out there for a couple of years now, isn't that no longer proprietary information anyway?
	Wasn't that publicly acknowledged by Art Bell Inc. recently, anyway?
	Yeah, she recently acknowledged the fact.
	Sorry, someone just wears Fort Rock when we need him.
	And that is exactly what this broadcast needs is more Fort Rock.
	But yeah, he'd be able to tell us what Indian Reservation would be broadcasting arts next show.
	So Keith and Heather scooped Sheffist, but not the Knight County Sheriff's Department.
	So the controversy is that Heather has been living in Pahrump for years?
	Is that...
	Is that the thing?
	So she recently bought the guest house from Art and is broadcasting from where he used to broadcast from now.
	And yeah, the claim is that, and if you go back on Bell Gab, you'll see that was a very common joke or rumor that went around that she had moved out there with him.
	The rumor was that she moved out there not long after the interview she did that Aldous went along on, and that's why she became the producer and all of that.
	I don't have anything that tells me that that's true.
	I actually think it's not true, but there's enough people out there to support the claim that and there's history of when people made the claim too.
	I don't know.
	I think we need Saucy Rossi to call in because he was an inside guy in terms of working on Richard's show.
	He could probably confirm whether this is a true story or not.
	Well, I know for a fact that she was broadcasting from California from her old location, at least for several months at the beginning.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I agree with you on that.
	So if she's been broadcasting from Art's property all this time, you have to ask the question, okay, well then, I mean, that makes it all the more disappointing that Art never did drop in and do a show because that means all he literally had to do is walk to another building.
	There wasn't any infrastructure that had to be put in place for him to do that.
	And so then the question becomes, well, was his health just that bad that he couldn't do that?
	I mean, if so, I wonder why he didn't just say that.
	I'm not healthy enough to do a show any longer.
	I can't sit in a chair and talk for three hours any longer.
	I think you're all reading too much into this.
	I think the equipment was always at arts, and I think she was rerouting through his thing, and then they probably kept having problems, and she moved out there because of that.
	I think that makes sense.
	It's more like a conspiracy theory, so let's go with one.
	Well, the thing that's funny about it is that not long after it came out, there were people who pointed directly, and I saw places outside of Bell Gab post back to Bell Gab to thread, or inside the Art Bell thread where people said that he was there.
	I forget who did the original post, so I can't cite them.
	But yeah, people went back to say, well, hey, look, these people called it out all the way back then.
	And I thought that was kind of crazy.
	And Saucy, if you're going to call in, yeah, it's 573-837-4948 or on Skype, use ufoship.com in your search, and then you'll find us.
	Make sure to add that as a contact so I can add you to the group call versus put everybody else on hold.
	Dr. Deplorable disputes what Eddie Dean is saying.
	Dr. Deplorable says, no, she was there from the get-go, but Eddie Dean sounds pretty certain about what he's saying.
	So you should call in if you have contrary information.
	Yeah, because I assisted in gathering equipment for her at that time.
	Did you ship it?
	Is that how you know?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, let's see.
	Maybe that shipment got rerouted back to Perump.
	Oh, Jasmunda.
	You silly goose.
	Doesn't it mean there's a standing order at DHS to ship anything that's going to Heather Wade's house to go to Perrump, Nevada?
	Is that what you're saying, Jasmunda?
	He's exactly what I was saying.
	Well, I can report because I was a part of several pre-broadcast shows helping sort out problems, and nothing ever indicated in that that she was there.
	Like, there was literally a time when I almost took a two-hour drive to go help a guest get online for the show.
	And so, there was lots of back-and-forth conversation happening between Heather and I before air because there was a time that was clear.
	Why don't you want to say who the guest is?
	Well, I could.
	It's not that big of a deal.
	Go ahead.
	Kind of cool.
	Yeah, it was Madman, Markham.
	You were instrumental in him being put on the air that night.
	Yeah, so like there was a point where we had to make the decision: do I go or do I not go to help get him online and on the show in a hotel room in the town he was living in?
	So, so yeah, like that whole conversation, we were back and forth because I was on the phone with her and with hotels and taxi services so I could get everything coordinated to make it happen.
	But yeah, I mean, there was nothing that was ever said.
	And the other thing, too, is she was getting calls from Art the whole time, too.
	So, as we were working out details, he was calling her.
	So, I would think at that point, her biggest guest at that time, if there was a booking issue, Art would have been in the same building or the same room as they were trying to work it out.
	But does it really matter anyway?
	Who cares?
	Ultimately, it doesn't.
	If she did go there and move in many years ago, more power to her.
	Whatever's going to happen is going to happen.
	I miss her as a member of the Gab cast and our crew that's talking right now.
	Those were good days, and they were fun.
	And I hate to see things go the way they did in terms of the negativity, but I also totally understand why people did what they did.
	It's a free world, and everyone's allowed to have an opinion.
	Well, I'm going to go home and be with my children.
	You guys have a good night.
	Sorry, we're all together under these circumstances, but what are you going to do?
	Yeah, it's good talking to you, MV.
	Yeah, you too.
	It has Jazz Moody.
	Take care, sweetie.
	You too.
	Love you.
	Bye, Curtis.
	Yep.
	See you later.
	I too have to have to run.
	I wish we could be talking under better circumstances.
	Perhaps we'll get together and do something at some point.
	But it's been wonderful reconnecting.
	It has.
	Thank you for calling.
	I really appreciate you hanging out with us tonight.
	And like you said, I wish it was under better circumstances.
	Maybe next time we'll be.
	Excellent.
	See you guys.
	Okay, so we just had someone call in.
	Who is on the line?
	Hey, guys, it's Saucy.
	Hey, Saucy.
	You're going to be our last call for the night, probably.
	So take us wherever you want to.
	Well, like Jazz, I didn't know up until about a week ago that she was in prompt.
	So I can't really confirm any of that stuff.
	I can confirm what Eddie was talking about, that she was broadcasting from her place of residence for, I would say, a good while, up until the last time I talked to her, which was in 2015.
	So, yeah, I mean, I had no clue.
	I kind of lost track of everything and hadn't been in contact with anybody up until about a week ago, which is very weird.
	Like, about a week ago, I was starting to kind of think about art and think about everything.
	And I was thinking about giving them a call.
	And I would talk to some other friends.
	And just like something in my head was saying, I should give him a call.
	And I didn't, which I really regret now.
	And yeah, I just found out that she was living there, which I imagine probably made it a lot easier on her for the show and everything.
	So, yeah, but other than that, I don't know anything about the situation or anything.
	But yeah, you know, like it's really sad that art's passed.
	It's just was very sad to hear that.
	But I think, you know, everybody coming together and talking about it has been really nice.
	It's been nice to hear everybody's voices.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I hate the circumstances, but it's nice that we were able to get together and just kind of share stories and reconnect in ways that I think Art would want his fan base to connect and still be vaguely lovable because that's what brought us all together and that's what made us a unique community, but to also recognize the connections that we made through him too.
	Yeah, I can, if I can share one thing, Sheffist kind of talked about it on the pre-show, and he helped a big time with this, and so did a lot of other people.
	And my memory is kind of sketchy, so if I forget other people that helped with it, I'm sorry.
	But thank you to anybody that did help.
	The Reddit anime that we did to help promote his second coming back for Midnight in the Desert.
	That was just like a really cool experience because he didn't want to answer any of the questions himself.
	He wanted somebody to help him with it.
	So I was on the phone with him for it was just a really long, long and fun experience.
	It was probably, I want to say, like a seven-hour session of just me and him on the phone picking questions out at random to answer on Reddit.
	And I think that that anime is still up there.
	And he would just like say, okay, well, what do we got?
	And it was just like taking a call.
	Like he would take it like, you know, like, okay, you know, who do we got?
	Who's next?
	And I would, you know, read the question off.
	He'd think about it.
	And then he would give a really great, straightforward answer.
	It wasn't like anything performed or anything.
	He would just go off the cuff and I would type it out.
	And it was nothing like, you know, here's, you know, here's what I want you to say.
	And here's how, you know, I want you to say it.
	It was just like, here's exactly what I think and how I feel.
	And it was just the coolest experience ever.
	And it was funny.
	And like, he'd be like, okay, I need to take a break for some coffee.
	I need to get, you know, I need to have a smoke or whatever.
	But like, his stamina for that was just unbelievable because by the time I was done, like, I had to just take a break and lie down because it was just, it was unbelievable.
	But that's an experience I'll never forget.
	And yeah, it was just, it was a lot of fun.
	Yeah, I remember that all playing out.
	And it was really cool to be on the like the sideline watching it play out, but then also experience it, experiencing it as a Reddit member, just seeing the interaction he was getting from people.
	And that was a really cool idea.
	I mean, because you really started it, I mean, and then also brought it to existence.
	It's something that I don't think his team would have ever come up with.
	So I'm glad you did that.
	Yeah, and I think I think if uh if you guys go look, I think he answered the going towards the light question on there too.
	Oh, did he?
	I can't remember what he answered, but I think he answered that there as well.
	So, yeah.
	But yeah.
	Yeah.
	So is anybody else still on the line with us?
	Yeah, we've got Eddie still here.
	Yeah, I'm still here.
	Yep.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	That's a really great story, man.
	I didn't know that.
	That you actually sat for the AMA and read him the questions and then typed out the answers that he gave you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it was fun.
	It was fun.
	And, you know, when it was done, we actually kind of went back every once in a while for like the next like week.
	And if we got some new, new questions and stuff that were interesting, I'd email him to him and get a response every once in a while.
	But after a while, he was like, all right, let's cut it off.
	But it was cool.
	It was pretty cool.
	So that's something I'll never forget.
	And, you know, I won't go too much into any of the rest of the stuff, you know, getting into work for, you know, do stuff for Richard and all that.
	But I got to, you know, speak with Art a lot and talk to him after doing the stuff with Richard.
	He'd, you know, he wouldn't call all the time, but he would, he would call after shows and stuff, and we'd catch up and talk about, you know, how the shows went and or just other stuff.
	And it was just like a surreal experience every time.
	But he was just a really nice guy.
	I mean, you know, I never had nothing but a pleasant experience talking to him.
	And he did some things that I won't go into now, but just he did some really nice things for me.
	And I'm really sad that I didn't get another chance to, you know, just catch up with him again and say thank you for that.
	But he was a special person.
	He touched a lot of people.
	Yeah.
	So I heard that Arsenal.
	I'm really thankful to him.
	And yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'm thankful to him and his family.
	And my thoughts are to him.
	And to Heather, I'm sure Heather's having a really hard time as well.
	Sure, yeah.
	I agree.
	Yeah.
	It's cool to know that through the night where we the overwhelming theme is the way art connected people and was personable.
	It's cool to hear even just the beginning of the story you have to tell about your connections with art on the kind of inside to know that that that runs even deeper on that side of it.
	If it's if it feels deep on this end, just being a fan of him, that on the other side, it's I mean, it's surreal.
	I started listening to the show like when I was like in my early teens in the 90s and like everybody else, I mean, I was listening to him when I was like, you know, like 13 or 14 late at night.
	And yeah, and just getting to actually speak to him later on in life and, you know, help out behind the scenes and actually get to like talk to him on a regular basis was really just, it just was kind of mind-blowing for me.
	And yeah, I mean, MV was talking about it.
	There's so many things in my life that would be completely different.
	I mean, I went to work in radio years before I ended up doing the stuff behind the scenes with Richard and everything.
	And I would never have done that if it wasn't for art.
	So, yeah.
	And yeah, getting to speak with art was just, it was a treasure.
	Like, I listened to, I had randomly looked through my phone.
	I had a few voicemails left from him and listened to him today.
	And they were just like, just so nice.
	And yeah, it's just crazy.
	Yeah.
	It's really sad that he's gone.
	Yeah, I agree.
	It's a hole that doesn't get filled by anyone else.
	It's art.
	It'll always just be art right there.
	Yeah.
	And you have a you have a unique memory of him that you'll have for the rest of your life.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And I think everybody does.
	And what MV was talking about, like, you know, all of Belgab really, and I know how much, like, getting to talk to him, I know Belgab meant a lot to him.
	You know, and the entire community, like, I think that, you know, what you guys are talking about, like, as a people, as a whole, that really meant a lot for him to know that there was such a community out there wanting that, wanting him to come back.
	So, yeah, I think that was a big, big aspect for, you know, even the brief times that he did come back, you know.
	So I think there's a lot to be said for everybody that played a part in that.
	And, you know, just by posting.
	And, you know, I think everybody should, even if they don't realize it, they should know that, you know, that he enjoyed the things that people said.
	So.
	That's cool to hear.
	I think that.
	I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think, you know, he posted about that.
	So I don't think that's putting words in his mouth.
	He said that on Belgab.
	So, you know.
	Anything else do you want to talk about?
	I feel like you've given us the best summary to end this, but I'm willing to talk a little bit longer if you've got more to share.
	No, no, that's it.
	That's about it.
	I'm glad you guys did the show.
	It was really cool catching up with everybody.
	And yeah, that's it.
	I hope you guys are good, and it was good speaking with you.
	Yeah, it was great talking to you too.
	I'd love for us to connect again at some point in the near future.
	I know you and I had talked about some potential podcast stuff a long time ago.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	See what's out there in the world for us.
	I think in light of art being gone, it's a good reminder for us to all to not only connect, but stay connected in positive ways with each other.
	Anywhere we can.
	Absolutely.
	For sure.
	All right.
	Well, thank you.
	All right, everybody, take care.
	I'll be in the chat.
	All right.
	Thanks.
	Thanks, Austin.
	Great story, man.
	Bye.
	Yes, it was.
	Eddie, you got anything else before we close this thing out?
	No, I mean, I was just thinking that some of my favorite shows of art were, you know, after death, near-death experiences, and what is out there after you go.
	And now Art knows.
	That's true.
	He's always been someone who wanted to dig to find the truth.
	And he's face to face with a truth that none of us can even imagine or understand right now.
	I think on that note, we'll let some silence play here.
	And then thanks, everyone, for being a part of this.
	I'm glad we all got to share some stories.
	Art was a critical nexus for all of us to come together to build a community around something that was his passion.
	And it's time for those radio waves to go quiet.
	Thanks, everyone.
	Roswell's art.

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