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21 April, 2018

21 April, 2018 ---------- In tonight's episode, we continue chronicling the social media fallout after the death of late night talk radio legend Art Bell.

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And now, here's the Gabcast.
All right, it's the Gabcast.
It's a podcast about BellGab.com.
I go by MV.
Sentless is here.
Hi, Sentless.
How are you doing?
Oh, you just, you're really quiet.
What is, what's up with that?
I wonder if it's because he's actually using the mic on his laptop, but, and it sounds good, but I think because the music's playing, it screwed him up.
Gravity Sucks is here.
What's going on with you?
Howdy, y'all.
Howdy, y'all.
Okay.
Well, we got it locked down, I think, at that point.
If you want to be on the show, the number to call is 573-837-4948.
It's 573-837-4948.
Well, it's been pretty interesting watching what's happened over the course of the last 24 to 36 hours, wouldn't you say?
For anybody who is aware of the Art Bell slash Belgab slash Heather Wade universe.
Not to say that Belgab is an equal participant in that universe, but it's an asterisk at the bottom of the page in that universe, at least, right?
I think we've been amazingly well-behaved.
Well, I wasn't necessarily talking about our level of our behavior.
I was talking, speaking more to our relevance.
Okay, we could talk about our behavior.
Have we been well-behaved, considering the circumstances?
I think the threads have been pretty mellow.
I see that you jumped in last night and talked to him about Docs and some of her old email stuff.
I think that was good on your part.
Yeah, you know, that just, that was going in a direction that seemed like it wasn't going to be good for anybody, you know?
All right.
Go ahead.
Sorry, this is Sentless, and hope I'm sounding better.
You sound great.
All right, thank you.
The way that I look at this for the last week or so, you know, I recently lost my father.
That's the biggest loss I've ever had in my life.
And so when it comes to losing somebody like Mark, who I've been listening to for over 20 years, no, I think everybody can't really say a wrong thing, in my opinion.
People react in different ways, and that's to be expected.
Why would it not be?
We all mourn in our own ways.
You know, you're breaking up a little bit.
You might want to, I don't know if maybe you can get closer to the laptop.
Okay, I'm sorry about that.
You sounded so great for so long when we talked before the show, and now it just kind of all went to shit.
Okay, well, I'll see if I can do something a little bit better.
I'm sorry.
Well, no, now you sound good.
I don't know if you changed positions or what.
Let's find out.
I'm going to stay right here from now on.
I promise.
Put a pillow behind your back.
Keep yourself real nice and close to that laptop L C D. You got it, MV.
No, I was basically saying that we all mourn in our own way.
And, you know, I recently lost my father, so I'm kind of relating to this in a different way.
I'm going through the emotions of losing somebody that's close to you.
And, you know, after the loss of Mark Bell, it's somewhat similar.
Not as close, of course.
But very, very sad after listening for games to this man's voice putting me to sleep every night.
I think considering the circumstances, considering the levels of Schadenfreude that exist out there in the minds of some people watching Heather Wade's breakdown via social media.
I mean, yeah, she lost someone that she really liked a lot.
And that really is a shame.
And it's not pleasant to think of anyone being in that circumstance.
But we've all lost people that we loved.
And we all will lose people that we love and care about in the future, assuming we don't go first.
And when this has happened to me in my life, I don't recall ever having called anyone up and read them the Riot Act and said everything I've wanted to say to them for 20 years.
I don't recall calling up and burning bridges left and right.
I mean, what good comes of sending a response to George Knapp where you say, you're a vulture, for playing a copy of an inter posting an interview that he did with Art in 2013.
And I think his response was something to the effect of, well, I'm sorry I didn't get permission before posting a video that was recorded long before even you knew art.
This, I guess, you know what?
A lot of what I'm seeing being revealed to people publicly here, it's so anathema to me because I grew up with an older sister who exhibited a lot of these characteristics.
She just perpetually wanted to be a victim.
When you found yourself in a moment of tension with her, her responses would be short and laden with sarcasm and passive aggression.
And you can't really speak to someone who responds in that way when you're in those circumstances.
And a few other things.
I just see a lot of similarities in terms of what's being exhibited here and what it was that I grew up with and saw in my older sister.
And it makes it, I think, doubly revolting to me as I sit here and watch what's been happening with Heather on Facebook and Twitter.
The things that the pity party, her responses to people when they've told her that perhaps she should speak to a counselor.
You know, that's not always an insult when someone says that to you.
Sometimes it's legitimate advice.
Sometimes it's not necessary that you respond to that with the words, only Art knew me.
And I don't have time to speak to anyone who doesn't speak radio.
What in the hell does that even mean?
Speak radio, AM, FM, or single sideband.
Personally, I'm going to go with single sideband because you can just slip right in between those channels.
You know what I'm talking about?
That's what I'm going to go with.
Yeah, talking stereo so you can talk about both sides of your mouth.
And are we going to broadcast in the commercial AM and or FM bands, respectively?
Are we going to be rebels and just sort of go outside the band where only the cool kids can listen?
I mean, I don't know what that even means.
And that's not a response.
That's not the response of a healthy person.
And I'm not here to, well, I'm here doing this because it's fun to gossip, I guess.
You know, I'm not pretending I have altruistic motives in being here doing this tonight.
This is a gossip-type show.
Bellgab is a really gossipy place, and this is the product.
So it's kind of like since this podcast exists in tandem with the forum, this is sort of a continuation of the process of delivering the product, which is Bellgab.
And the podcast, I think, should be kind of a reflection of what happens on the forum, whether it's considered morally acceptable or not.
And along those lines, for those of you that vape.
I'm sorry I didn't follow that.
I said, and along those lines, for those of you that vape, okay, now here's your chance for the e-cigs button.
No, I don't plug the e-cigs anymore.
There's not even a button, is there?
I don't think there's even a button anymore.
What happened was I just got so tired of I would, if I went and I initially plugged those e-cigs using a go-o.gl link.
So when you do that, you can go into the settings and see exactly how many people clicked it, where they were when they clicked it.
You can actually get a lot of statistical information by sharing a link with a massive number of people using a link shortener service like that.
And there were hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people clicking that link, and you'd get one sale, 30 days go by, another sale.
I have never trusted these affiliate systems where you put some company's link on your website, and every time someone purchases something, they send you a farthing.
That never has really seemed legit to me.
But I mean to say that it perhaps might be perceived by some people to be kicking another when they're down to sit here talking about this stuff in a gossipy sort of way.
But we did not formulate any of this.
We are not participants in any of this in terms of being any of the primary players.
We didn't engineer any of this.
We are all simply experiencing and viewing what it is that others have chosen to put out there for us to see.
And I think reacting to that is fine.
It's not as though someone had to hijack the private communications of another in order to dig up the material that very well may be discussed on this show tonight.
It's all been put out there publicly for others to see.
So that's fair game as far as I'm concerned.
Hi, you're on the air.
Thank you for calling into the Gabcast.
Hi, this is Mrs. General.
Oh, Mrs. General.
How's it going with you?
Is this Eric's wife?
Yes, this is.
Well, what brings you to the show?
This is a rather pleasant surprise.
Are you still doing the podcast with your husband, by the way?
The Fret Files?
I can.
Yes.
Yeah, we do it bi-weekly.
When you started doing that show with him, I sent him a missive in that I said, you have totally cucked out, homie.
I'm kidding.
I didn't say that to him.
Just sort of a critique of having your wife on the podcast with you.
But I'm joking.
I never said that to him.
I'm joking.
So what brings you to the show tonight?
I'm so surprised.
And I was berating you over our living room, and I thought, well, I should just call in and tell him what I really think.
Okay, well, let's hear it.
Well, Heather is the perfect replacement for Art Bell because Art Bell was a drama queen.
Do you remember when Art Bell was trying to get back on gear doing Midnight in the Desert and he couldn't get his music and the world was falling around his ears?
And he said, No, I can't do it.
He quit twice before it even started, right?
Yeah, there was another incident as well involving Keith Rowland's tweets.
Right, yes.
So Heather, I mean, I don't listen to her, so I don't know how well she is as a host, but she is exactly Art Bell incarnate, I think.
Because she puts all of her, you know, Facebook is her diary, and anybody who says otherwise has got a problem with her, you know?
But you said you were shouting at your speakers in the earlier part of the show.
What were you saying exactly?
Well, just what I just said.
Oh, okay.
I thought you were shouting as in like a.
Okay, I thought you were saying that you were shouting like at me as I was saying what I was saying because it was off the mark or something.
Well, because you're kind of being an asshole about it.
Oh, well, how am I being an asshole about it, though?
Well, because she's just lost somebody close to her and she thinks that Facebook is her diary.
That's all.
You know?
But that's an inappropriate use of Facebook.
You don't normally mail your diary.
You know that.
You don't normally mail your diary to the people that you want to get that you're mad at and start calling them bloody vultures and things like that.
I mean, just because they're paying their respects as well.
Right, but what would Art Bell do?
W-W-A-B.
Well, I mean, what specifically is asshole-ish about what anyone's doing here?
Talking about...
Just talking about this subject in general?
No, I just think the best course of action is just to ignore Heather.
Just let her get all her feelings out.
Just let it happen.
Let her work through it.
She'll be back on the air in a couple months once she works through all her problems, and it's all good.
So why even talk about it?
Why not?
I have a question.
I have a question.
Yes.
What are her problems?
Well, she just lost her friends.
That's her problem.
Yeah, but I will fall back on what I said earlier.
We've all lost people we love.
We didn't immediately go batshit and start calling people up and calling them vultures and sending nasty letters to everyone we've had a beef with over the course of X number of years.
Well, you're a sane person, and I would assume that most people are sane people, but some people are just a little kooky.
And all I'm saying is that Heather is a lot like Art Bell, and that Art Bell is probably looking down on her going, you go girl.
You think so?
Really?
Yeah.
Oh, I don't know, man.
I think Art Bell's kookiness was something that manifested it.
It manifested itself in a way that just sort of worked.
And maybe perhaps there were aspects to that kookiness that we didn't necessarily pick up on until we moved into the latter years of his life and some of his social media interactions.
But surely some level of that kookiness within Art Bell always existed.
We just may not have had such a front row seat to it.
I don't really know what my point is here other than to say the manifestation of her kookiness is not helpful to her.
And lashing out at people that posting on Twitter that, yeah, I suck.
Yeah, I talk too much.
Yeah, I laugh too much.
I'm sorry Art Bell chose me.
He should have chosen someone else clearly.
That is just, I kind of feel like you really are asking for the total spectrum of reactions when you do that sort of thing.
And I don't know that there's any, I don't know that there's any harm necessarily in just talking about what's going on.
After all, Bell Gab is an Art Bell-centric website.
That is the nucleus of why the website exists.
I can see your point.
Maybe it is a little bit ass holish to talk about it.
I mean, I wouldn't say that it's, I would also submit to you, though, that it certainly wouldn't be the first time that something assholish has taken place in these confines.
I think her reaction seems to be kind of funny.
She's saying, yeah, I wish Art would have picked someone better or something like that.
She has pulled that on the air several times.
You know, I realize I'm not art.
You know, everybody that wants to call in and tell me I suck, go ahead and call in and tell me I suck.
That kind of thing.
That's when I stopped listening live.
And then in December, I went ahead and canceled my subscription.
I gave her two years since she took over the show.
And I didn't see, I saw it going downhill.
She made some progress real quick, but then I saw it going downhill, and I just couldn't support it anymore.
Yeah, I don't think there will ever be a proper replacement for Art Bell.
I don't even think that's even possible.
So it doesn't matter who you would have handed the talk to.
You can't replace Art, but it could have been a suitable alternative to George Norrie.
Thick Lady Boy in the chat says a woman's place is in the kitchen.
So I just wanted to pass that little communication along to the general's wife.
We want to facilitate the exchanges of language between people here.
Cooking some eggs.
There we are.
Hi, you're on the gabcast.
Hello.
Hey, guys, it's Saucy Rossi.
Hey, Saucy.
Thanks for calling, buddy.
Hey, MV.
Hey, buddy.
I appreciate it.
Thanks.
Yeah, you know, I think the thing that's kind of bugging me is that, you know, Art's funeral was just only a couple days ago.
And, you know, the thing that's really bothering me is that all this seems to be about everyone but art and Art's family.
Particularly Asia, who's old enough to perceive everything that's happening.
Right.
My first thought in all of this, I mean, Erin's old enough to know I married a guy who's much older than me.
I'm going to be around much longer than he is.
She was intellectually aware of that when she married Art.
But Art was Asia's father.
That's the only father she's ever had, the only one she'll ever have.
And she's over 10 years old now, isn't she?
I think she's 12 years old, maybe 11, something on that order.
11.
I think I saw somebody put, say, 11.
They were married in 2006.
So imagine the trauma of that.
So you consider that for a moment, and then you look at people posting, I'll say Heather posting pictures of a tear rolling down her eye and feeling sorry for herself with regard to whether she may or may not be able to continue doing the show.
Well, I was honestly, and this isn't like, you know, in regards to whether or not Heather does a good show or whatever.
I was actually just hoping that there would be some quality, you know, tribute to art on her behalf and on Keith's behalf.
Just because, and I know it must be really hard for her and for Keith, but just because there needs to be.
There really needs to be a better rollout for him than what's been done.
You know, the sniping and the petty pettiness that's been going on has just not been good.
It's just been a bad look for everyone involved.
And I was really hoping that there'd be a really well-done professional tribute that they would have done.
And it would have been really nice and really classy.
And I'm still kind of hoping that that's something that they'll do.
But it just doesn't seem like that's in the cards.
And it's really disappointing and sad because I know that's something that hopefully they're capable of.
But I would love that.
I think art probably would have liked that and would have liked to see them step up and do something like that and compete.
Realistically, they have to still compete on all forms with everybody else.
And that's not what they're doing if they want to have a show.
And they're upset with the fact that George did, you know, announced it and all that stuff, which is just, I didn't, didn't make any sense to me.
The fact that they were upset about George announcing it, which it's like, how would you get upset with somebody who was hosting a show who started, you know, who took over a show from somebody else?
And if he hadn't said something that night, he would never have lived it down.
Like, he would never heard the end of it.
If he hadn't said something that night, after seeing something on, you know, the sheriff's website after that video being put out, nobody would have let George Nori hear the end of it.
I'm not exactly his biggest fan, but I mean, I don't understand how you get upset about it.
He has to say something.
So, you know, just everything starting from then has just seemed to be just irrational.
And maybe it's just all emotions, but it's all seemed to be very irrational.
It seems to me that a death is the time for everyone to say, you know what, let's let bygones be bygones.
Thanks for doing that, George.
That was nice of you to let everybody know what had happened with art.
That would have been the appropriate message.
And I think that what subconsciously...
George was the only person that did it.
You know, there's Twitter.
It was all over the place.
I think what's bothering a lot of people subconsciously is that this, in certain ways, speaks to a person's character.
You can really learn a lot about people when you see how they behave and react under stress or under less than auspicious circumstances, let's say.
And looking at, and I think most people just sort of instinctively know that.
When you're on a date with someone, that's not the time to find the real them.
When someone is sitting in front of you for a job interview, that's not the time you're going to find the real them.
You're going to find the real them when they either don't need you for anything, so there's nothing you can do for them.
And so if they're nice to you, that's just what and who they are.
Or during times of stress and chaos and tension and disaster.
Can I ask for a moment to speak on something?
And I think I can publicly talk about this because I saw a post that Art had done in 2016 that I'd missed after I kind of stopped going to Belgad.
I just want to briefly mention, after all this stuff happened with me on Richard's show, Art and Heather did something very nice and art publicly talked about it.
So I just want to put this out there that Art and Heather took the time and thoughtfulness and they didn't owe me anything to pay me something out of their own pockets.
And I don't really know who paid me, but I believe it was Art.
And maybe Keith had something to do with it too.
But it was really just a kind thing that ended up happening out of that whole mess.
And it wasn't something that any of them owed me or anything, but it was just kind of like something that just showed who he was.
And it just kind of just showed the type of person that Art was.
He was pretty upset with the way everything went down.
And I didn't, you know, I couldn't really talk about everything at the time.
And, you know, it was a whole mess.
When you say that he was upset with the way everything went, when you say he was upset with the way everything went down, you're talking about the relationship between you and Richard Hoagland.
Richard, right.
Okay.
Yeah, he was upset with the way I was treated.
And, you know, just the fact that I wasn't paid.
And there was a lot of promises that weren't kept and all this different stuff.
And, you know, and Art was so kind and called me up one day and said, look, you know, things really didn't work out the way that I hoped and everybody else hoped.
And I, you know, want to cut you a check and I'm going to send it to you.
What's your address?
And, you know, I'm going to work things out.
And you'll call Keith or whoever.
And I won't go into all the details.
But, you know, and I was kind of blown away because there was no deal or anything with, I wasn't working for Art when I was doing the stuff with Richard.
It was an entirely different show and everything just because Richard's show was on the network had nothing to do with art.
You know, I talked to Art all the time about the show and everything, but it, you know, it wasn't Art's show.
So that was just something that he did out of the kindness heart.
And, you know, I ended up doing some stuff after Richard's show with the network and with Art and Amy and stuff.
But yeah, I just thought I wanted to kind of put that out there and let people know that, you know, Art and Heather as well did that.
And I thought that was something I would never really be able to talk about.
But I did see that he posted about it one time.
You're not really the I don't think you're really the tell the behind the scenes story kind of guy, but Brig in the chat wants to know what you can say about the Hoagland situation and how things went.
It was freaking nuts.
That's all I'll say.
It was nuts.
He was insane.
And purely like, it was exactly how he is on the air.
It's exactly what you expect.
And yeah, that's who he is.
Who he is on the air is who he is.
Give us a couple of the most egregious examples.
Getting about 50 phone calls within an hour.
Really?
That's about what?
Yeah, yeah.
Anything and everything.
Really?
I'm out of Napkins.
You don't need to talk to your mother.
You work for me.
Oh, yeah, that got way blown out of proportion.
But just the most wild stuff.
I mean, it's just like, you know, but in some in some ways, he's a really smart guy because he had some really like cool ideas.
And, you know, talking to him about the show and stuff was what was a lot of fun because we would kind of we had, you know, we would talk about, you know, what we wanted to do with the show.
And we got excited and we planned out some pretty fun things.
And he, you know, I could kind of get with what he was thinking.
It took a long time, but it was pretty wild.
I've never worked with somebody like that before.
And I'm kind of glad that I don't think I'll ever have to deal with that again.
But what's the thing that Gravity Sucks?
What's the thing that Gravity Sucks referenced with you calling your mother that you said was blown out of proportion?
Oh, yeah.
I think Art's posted about this before.
The kind of the whole straw was I was on the phone with Richard and I was talking to him and he was like, you know, look, like we need to talk about something.
I don't even really remember at this point what it was about.
But I said, look, I got to go.
I got another phone call.
It's my mom.
He's like, all right.
And I and I let him go.
Calls me back and he starts reading me the right act.
I don't care if you get another call from your mom.
I don't care if you get another call from the Pope or whatever.
You never put me on hold.
And I said, all right, whatever.
And I hung up and I called Art and I said, look, I said, look, this is it.
I'm not getting paid.
I'm done.
And I wrote an email the next day, and that was it.
And I was done.
So that's why I got blown out of proportion.
It wasn't like a life or death situation.
It was just like, look, I'm not going to get rid of the right act by someone that's not paying me.
Well, Richard Hoagland, Richard Hoagland said on his podcast about a week and a half ago that he fired you.
Oh, well.
I'm kidding.
I just made that.
I just made that up.
Hey, hey, hey, I just made, I made that up.
I made that up.
I'm joking.
That's funny.
I was like, are you still talking about me this many years later?
I'm surprised that I'm still even having to talk about this.
Does he even still have a podcast?
I don't even know.
I just pulled that out of my head.
I know that every time I come back to Belgab, I'm like, wow, he still has a show?
I actually think it's pretty fantastic.
I'm like, I actually think it's great that people are still paying him to do the show because, I mean, what else is he going to do?
That's good.
He's obviously a really intelligent person, regardless of whether anybody agrees with the things he says or thinks there's any validity to any of it.
To be able to hawk that shit for as many years as he has and to do it with such seeming credibility on the surface.
I remember hearing Richard Hoagland initially back in the 90s and thinking to myself, wow, this guy might be.
I mean, it was always the, you could summarize every appearance with NASA's hiding stuff from us, and we're all going to find out a whole bunch of things really soon.
Yeah, let's be 100% correct.
Let's not forget the science that Richard Hogos has been, Hoagland has bestowed upon us.
The science.
Hyperphysics.
Yes, yes.
Anybody can take a chart and draw like 45 little angles and stuff like that and put numbers beside them and say, Oh, you can take a laser from a Mars rover and ping it down 3,000 yards into the poof dirt or whatever.
That was like the latest thing that I listened to when I was wanting to listen to Art again.
Now that we're talking about all this stuff, I'm remembering one of the craziest things that ever happened while I was working for him.
Okay, we're, I booked Andy Weir, the author of The Martian for the show, and he was like hesitant about having him on the show.
And I had to sell the idea of having this guy in the show to Richard.
And he's like, why should we have him on the show?
Yeah, I had to sell the idea to Richard.
Did it involve it?
No.
I said, Richard, look, this is a huge book.
It's going to be a huge movie.
It's the movie's starting Matt Damon.
It's going to be massive.
And he's like, look, I haven't read the book yet.
Let me read the book.
You send it to me, et cetera, and all that.
Well, I knew he wasn't going to read the book if I sent him the book.
So I sent the book to Art, which he ended up getting really pissed off about.
But Art wanted to read the book, and Art loved the book.
So I didn't, I never even sent the book to him.
But Richard, but Richard ended up calling me one night about the guest and everything.
And I had sent him a bunch of information about the book.
And he started going on his one of his rants about Mars and everything.
And he started saying, well, you know, that this book and the movie and everything is just more of propaganda for Sidonia and everything.
And I said, well, you haven't even read the book.
How do you know that?
And he started explaining the fact that the casting of Matt Damon and Ridley Scott and Ridley Scott was in on NASA and Ridley Scott had known, like, known all these inside secrets, and that Ridley Scott was chosen to direct this movie, and that he was going to be revealing all these secrets.
And by the end of it, there were going to be aliens at the end of the Martian.
And I was like, Richard, look, I've read the book.
There's no aliens in the Martian.
There's no alien technology.
There's no ancient civilizations on Mars in this book.
There's none of that.
And he was insistent that he wanted to talk about it to Andy Weir.
I was like, look, you can ask him those questions, but there's none of that in the book.
And it was just like trying to talk to a wall about the fact that, look, this is a pure science book.
There's none of that.
And it just was just not happening.
And Richard Hoagland's married.
I mean, imagine being married to that and living with that in the same structure.
Did you say the word that?
I think he's got a perfect situation.
I'll just say that.
Oh, okay.
I get it.
I get it.
You're just trying to side-skirt libel and slander laws, aren't you?
She's a lovely woman.
No, she's a lovely woman.
Oh, is she?
Okay, well, I read that wrong there.
I'm Michael Van Dieven.
Yeah.
I have a question about Richard.
Is Richard still doing the circuit?
The circuit for paranormal things where you go to a hotel?
I have no idea, to be honest.
I don't keep up with anything with him.
Oh, and when I said living with that, I wasn't speaking to his physical characteristics, by the way.
I'm just speaking to the way he treated you.
I mean, someone like that doesn't just turn that switch off.
That's how they are.
Right.
No, you're correct, Envy.
I haven't heard much about Richard literally in like a year, as far as I know.
I haven't seen him on a YouTube video or anything.
These conventions that people put together, where it costs $300 to attend like a two-day event.
And I imagine he probably gets a cut of the door or something like that.
It's amazing that these people like him and Captain Disclosure, you know, they all get together and they rent out these hotels and people go by the droves and they feed them for the rest of their lives.
I wonder what is Mr. Hoagland's living situation?
Where is he now?
Does he live in a modest situation or is he a rich man?
I'm not going to get into all I'm not going to get into all that, to be honest, because that's just, you know, that's what size pants does he wear?
Is it a rug?
I don't want to dig into the guy's pocketbooks.
I'm just asking, is this a decent man or is this not a decent man?
He and Robin live in New Mexico.
Okay, but what is classic is he changed his show format to where it's two nights a week, scheduled for two nights a week.
He's never gone a whole month where he's shown up both nights and he's raised, he's raised the subscription price to $19.95 a month.
Oh, he did that.
That's to be able to do fame.
That is some heavy lifting.
I'm signing up.
Where do I sign up?
I don't think even SiriusXM costs that much if you get everything they provide.
Two weeks ago, he put a donate button on her.
Hold on.
We're all talking at the same time.
Go ahead, Saucy.
I was just going to say one thing before this gets blown out of proportion.
Oh, it's already blown out.
Yeah.
As a person, I think a lot of people think I hold a grudge against Richard and all that stuff.
I really don't.
As a person, we got along pretty well.
And there's no way if we didn't get along that I would have been able to produce the show for so long.
You know, I actually didn't think he was like a bad person or anything.
I just, like MV was saying, like, if the way you talk to people, if that's how you talk to people, you just can't get along with people for that long.
Like, it's just, you know, going to come to a head.
And it just did.
And, you know, as a person, like, you know, he's got rough edges and everybody does.
And it's just not a situation that I was willing to stick out.
I don't think I would have been willing to stick it out even if I was going to get paid.
So, you know, that's just the way it is.
But as a person, you know, I don't know about the whole like con stuff and, you know, convention stuff and all that stuff.
You know, I have no idea what kind of appearances and all that stuff he makes.
But, you know, as a person, I think he's a decent guy.
I don't, all the rumors and stuff that I've read, I don't know.
You know.
Well, Hoagland said on his show last week that you were still booking all of his appearances, so I don't know.
Yeah, right.
Okay.
Well, I am actually being aware of some of the things that you've at least been willing to discuss publicly, whether here or on Bellgab, it's amazing to me that the relationship between Art and Hoagland lasted as long as it did.
Yes, I'll agree with that.
I'll agree with that as well.
Because Art wasn't someone who suffered fools.
He did.
He was very patient with Richard.
Yep.
When you think about it in those terms, it's amazing those two lasted as long as they did.
Okay, Saucy Rossi, thank you for calling.
Thanks, guys.
Bye, buddy.
If you want to be on the Gabcast, the number to call 573-837-4948.
Something I wanted to talk about earlier.
Someone mentioned people digging through Heather's internet, Heather Wade's internet history and posting stuff.
And I had to come in and say, Hey, you know, kind of cut that.
I just felt like if that is allowed to be done to her, then who's off limits?
Really?
Is there anyone else?
I mean, if anyone were off-limits, but that could be done to her, then I think everyone's sort of a dark cloud that settles over the forum.
And everyone is at that point at risk.
I mean, I would say that probably 99% of the people, maybe more, that use that forum, they want to be anonymous.
So that had to be done.
And I saw some comments after that statement I made saying, please stop digging up Heather's internet history and posting it on Bellgab.
I saw a couple comments to the effect of, well, now I don't know what I'm allowed to post without getting banned.
It's, I mean, just use common sense.
If you're digging around as a result of public records and getting email addresses associated with her that nobody knew were associated with her, and then from that, you're making connections to which covens that she was in two decades ago and posting screen caps of messages from that that also contain information that allows people to go to other.
That's, it seems to me, from a common sense standpoint, what you shouldn't do.
I mean, I don't think that's too terribly restrictive to ask people not to do.
Not everyone is a Wiccan.
Fort Rock is.
Yeah, but no, her comments, as of late, they seem to be appropriately self-deprecating, saying I'm not good enough, that kind of thing.
It's just a person expressing her sorrow.
I see nothing wrong with that.
I think I view it in kind of a different way, again, because of who I grew up with and hearing those types of comments.
Like, for example, an example situation I might find myself in with my older sister would be something to the effect of, why did you do this?
Oh, okay, I guess I do everything horribly and I suck.
All right.
No, I didn't say that, but you can't have a conversation with somebody who reacts to the slightest unpleasant external stimuli in that way,
just laden with sarcasm and passive aggression and self-deprecation that you don't really believe yourself, but you say it because you actually want to see people making contrary responses so that you can feel better about what it is that's plaguing you inside your mind.
Yeah, the Twitter stuff that I've seen, it's definitely passive-aggressive, like you say.
It's basically saying, sorry, but not sorry.
But at the same time, she will continue on.
Probably.
Do you think so?
I can only imagine so.
I mean, it's been going on for how many years now?
Two, two and a half?
I don't even remember.
I remember when MITD came along for the first time, I was so excited.
But then Mark goes away again.
This was like the third time he had left us.
And I said, Art is a serial Twitter.
That's kind of the way that I looked at it at that point.
I said, the guy just doesn't want to do it.
Let him go.
Let him retire.
Let him go in peace.
And that's fine.
And he said he wanted to turn the reins over to Heather.
And I know nothing about this thing, so I'm not going to comment much on it.
Your Twitter, your Skype just sucks.
I don't know what happened.
Okay, if you need to bail out on it, that's just fine.
Don't worry about it.
It seems like when you speak for short bursts, it's great.
But when you go on for a long time, it begins to degrade incrementally.
I don't know what in the hell's up with that.
Okay, well, maybe I was a little bit too verbose.
If this is better, then I can speak this way.
Or we can just call it quits.
That's fine.
Whatever you want to do.
Oh, we'll stick with it.
If anybody wants to call in, the numbers 573-837-4948-573-837-4948.
I think we kind of inevitably have to come to the question of, will the show, Midnight in the Desert, continue?
And I think it's questionable, but I have some advice for Heather.
Not that she would probably take my advice.
She should continue, but she needs to do something that's totally rebranded.
That's totally her own.
Keep using the same stream that you were using to do Midnight in the Desert so that people who click play on that, they still, you know, who have it bookmarked.
Their bookmarks all still work.
They don't have to refind you, but there needs to be a rebranding.
There needs to be a reinvention.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
I see that.
That's okay.
Okay.
Gravity, are you still there?
Okay, well, I guess that ended the entire conference.
I'm going to have to bring him back in here.
I'll have to speak while I'm doing this at the same time.
I was saying that I think there needs to be a rebranding.
There needs to be a reinvention.
Keep using the same mechanisms you were using, the same infrastructure you were using to get the show to people, but rebrand it entirely so that the show really is yours.
I think one of the mistakes that she made going in at the beginning when the show was given to her was continuing to call the show Midnight in the Desert, continuing to use the same bumper music, and then slowly over time moving into a sort of Art Bell affectation in her vocal, her verbal presentation.
I mean, it really obviously seeped into the marrow of her bones to try to emulate something rather than just be something.
And Gravity sucks.
What are you doing?
I'm trying to get him back on here.
I mean, it was, I think you'd find that it's difficult.
An overwhelming majority of the people that heard her on the gab cast liked her.
Can you hear me, Gravity Sucks?
I can, but the audio is kind of poor right now.
Is it really?
Huh?
Okay.
Well, how are you picking me up?
You sound good.
Okay, we'll just go with Artist.
I think you'd have a difficult time finding people who did not appreciate her presence on the Gabcast.
And the reason they did was because she was simply being herself.
She wasn't doing an impersonation of someone else.
She wasn't hosting a show that boxed her into a corner of trying to fit into a formula all the way down to the bumper music that she played.
She was just being herself, and I think that she should continue doing what she's doing, but just do her own show.
Call it something else.
Get out of the yoke of I'm Art Bell's replacement.
I think that's what she should have done from the beginning.
And now that events have transpired as they have, it becomes doubly obvious that that's what's going to have to happen if she's going to continue broadcasting in any capacity.
I mean, I agree.
I had talked to her several months after she started the show and said, you know, you really got to just make it your own and stop trying to, you know, stop trying to do everything the way that Art did it.
And she was adamant that she said that she wanted, that was Art's chair and she wanted it so that any night that Art wanted to come back into the studio, he could just walk in and everything was the same.
And that, I mean, that was over two years ago, and I don't think her attitude ever changed.
I said something when Heather initially started hosting Midnight in the Desert, and I stand by it that she is a great conversationalist.
She and I have had a few conversations, just she and I, over Skype or whatever, not in any broadcasting with quotation marks around broadcasting, if you want to call this a broadcast.
I guess since people can hear it if they choose to, it's a broadcast, but just an actual private conversation.
And she is a great conversationalist, but she doesn't have the strength within her own personality and the confidence of her own sense of self to do this where she's constantly being compared to someone else.
She's boxed into a corner of presenting her product in a certain way and having to live up to that every time she does it.
She doesn't have the strength of self to be able to do that and still feel comfortable.
I mean, she knows that she knows subconsciously herself everything that I just said.
And if she could sit down Monday night and do a podcast like the Gabcast where she no longer had that pressure of trying to live up to something, she could just be, I guarantee you she would prefer that over going back and hosting another episode of Art Bell's old show.
So, I don't know.
Maybe someone will pass that advice along to her rather than just simply more meaningless, unnecessary, unhelpful expressions of congratulation for her talent.
It's not helping her when she posts these messages.
Oh, I guess I suck.
I guess I talk too much.
I guess I laugh too much.
I'm sorry Art chose me.
I'm inadequate.
It's not helping when people respond to that with flowery language to try and talk her off of a ledge.
That's not real advice.
That's not real compassion or tough love.
That's just, in my opinion, putting on as much of a show as the person who typed the message that's being responded to.
What needs to be said in those instances is, look, stop with the blubbering and do your own thing.
She can do it.
There are countless people from Bell Gab hosting podcasts, many of whom I believe are significantly less talented than she is and significantly less gifted as conversationalists.
And they are doing podcasts weekly or even daily in some cases.
And in some instances, they have quite a listener base.
So If she would just get you part of this, you know, sitting in front of a microphone, you have to be in a certain headspace to do it.
That's probably 50% of your headspace.
What's your perception of yourself?
Your perception of how others are viewing you.
And if you are in her situation sitting down in front of a mic every night, and what you're thinking is, everyone's expecting me to be Art Bell tonight.
Here we go.
Let me get into my Art Bell mode.
And from the Heinzert, I mean, that's no, just do your own thing.
It'll all work out.
The cream always rises to the top, as they say.
If you're doing a good show, you'll succeed simply on your merits, as opposed to succeeding because you've been handed an internet radio show that has hamstrung you and wasn't quite the springboard you may have initially perceived it to be.
I view that as something that has remarkably handicapped her as opposed to something that's helped her.
It's not helped her develop as a personality that presents itself in spoken form in a broadcast.
It's hamstrung her and forced her to be something she's not.
And they say that, and I've pointed this out before, but maybe some people are listening for the first time.
They say that when people are broadcasting in spoken form only and you're not viewing, there's no visual stimuli, you're only listening, you can perceive deception and various other efforts on the part of the speaker to conceal certain things much more readily than you can when you're viewing someone at the same time you're listening to them.
And when you're in Heather's situation in this medium speaking into a microphone and people are only hearing your voice and you're hamstrung with this anvil tied around your ankle of having to live up to something, it comes through and anyone with just a smidge of perception skills can pick up on it.
It reeks.
So just do your own thing.
And I think she could be successful if she weren't saddled with this obligation to be something other than what she is.
I agree with you, MV.
I sent a note to Keith and just said, you know, you didn't ask for it, but my advice is, you know, this is the first time you've ever played the Art Bell shows as replays on MITD.
I said, you ought to play those for a month or two.
Let everybody hear that as a tribute to art.
Give Heather some time to grieve and make her decision.
She's going to come back, rebrand the show, redo the bumpers, let her pick her own bumpers, redo the commercials, get Art's voice out of the commercials, and start with a new show.
Rose Girl in the chat says, Oh, MV, you have no effing clue, do you?
I mean, I don't know what that means, but I think it's pretty sound advice.
I don't know of any life circumstance where someone would advise another person, try to be like somebody else, particularly in an entertainment package.
I mean, in entertainment, what sells is being something different, being your own thing, and then that speaking for itself.
I don't know anyone who would tell someone in entertainment, emulate this person.
Their inflections, their intonations, their mannerisms, and you're going to just sail to the top, baby.
Just watch it happen.
The Benjamins are going to, the Ben Franklins are going to roll in.
I don't know anybody who would give that advice.
I think that that's the advice I would give if I legitimately wanted to give Heather bad advice.
I don't even think I have to explain myself on that.
I think everyone instinctively knows that's good advice.
Sentless, are you back?
Yes.
Yes.
See, it's still screwed up.
Okay, I can bail out, brother.
Sorry.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
What a voice on that guy.
He sounds great.
He'd sound even better with a mic processor and a proper microphone.
Belgab, some of the best voices in the world.
Okay.
Well, gravity sucks.
What do you want to talk about?
Because we're not getting a lot of calls, and I'm certainly not going to sit here and carry on for the sake of carrying on.
Somebody in the chat room says that Rosegirl needs to call in and go ahead and discuss it with you.
What do you think?
Oh, I would love Rosegirl to call in.
She always has this perception that she's going to be shouted down or people are going to be childlike and uncivil toward her.
I've never been that way toward her when speaking to her.
And in fact, from time to time in the past, what I've done is if I happen to be up at like five or six in the morning for some odd reason, I will spin the hits.
And I did that one time maybe six or eight months ago, and Rosegirl called in and we talked for about 20 minutes.
And it was fine.
I think she would people would love for Rosegirl to call in.
Everyone's begging her in the chat, please call in, Rose Girl.
Or Bellian says, I'm always civil to callers.
No, I've had some weak moments.
Rosegirl says, Rose Girl.
Well, that guy had it coming.
Yeah, the third time.
He's the third time he called.
That guy really had it coming.
And then he denied that he offered to pay $500 to be in the Gabcast.
Yeah, after you sent him the clip.
Imagine what adult you have to be to offer $500 to be on a gab cast that regularly solicits co-hosts on a thread with no strings attached.
Yes, we will take your $500, sir.
Sorry, but you got me laughing.
He's still posting to this thread saying, you totally misunderstood what he was trying to say.
Who's saying who misunderstood what?
The Mad Martian is still posting in his show, thread that you totally misunderstood.
Well, the audio's there.
What is on the audio is not what he said.
Yeah, the audio speaks for itself.
I mean, I was done arguing about it after I posted the audio.
What more can I say?
He offered $500 to be on the Gabcast, which I think is a fair price considering our reach, our relevance, the scope of our importance in the internet broadcasting universe.
Rose Girl says, MV, you're a liar and you know it.
I'm not, I'm, or she says, you're such a liar and everyone knows it.
I'm not lying.
I will be nice to you.
I don't think that's really Rosegirl, actually.
I don't think your girls know it.
You know something?
I mentioned this.
I meant to say this to George the other night.
I totally forgot.
But you remember a couple years ago prior to the launch of Midnight in the Desert?
Some of you will love this.
When Belgab began mysteriously forwarding to CoastTacoastAM.com?
Right.
Yeah, well, that was me.
I mean, I told you, I totally did that.
I wanted to ask George.
All I did was I went in and I changed the index PHP so that any request to bellgab.com would automatically forward to CoastacostaM.com.
And I also put in at the end, what do they call that?
Where there's like a question mark, and then you can put any term you want after the question mark so that whoever's running the server, they can look at the logs and see what specific link from any other location took people to this place.
So like if there's if people are coming to your website from a car talk website, you could put like question mark car talk and so forth.
And then when you're looking at the logs and you're trying to make sense of your traffic, you can figure out where people are coming from.
Well, at the end of the URL, I put question mark DMCA something like DMCA acquis or yeah, Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
That's DMCA acquisition, I think I put one of the funniest things, I swear to God.
Let me tell you something, ladies and gentlemen.
I'm not saying I'm just a regular person.
I have a job.
I started a forum.
So I'm not important or anything of that nature.
I don't mean to suggest that I am, but in the decade that I have been behind the scenes running the machinery, turning the gears at bellgab.com, I have seen some just really hilarious stuff that I someday would like to sit down and put in a nice compendium of some sort.
And stories like this really fit into it because one of the most hilarious aspects of that night, and by the way, I let it continue on for 24 hours even.
This is, I think, this is crucial to understanding the spirit of Bellgab.com, a forum where the owner will hack his own website.
That, I think, speaks to the spirit of the forum more than really anything else I can think of right off the top of my head.
But I keep getting sidetracked.
One of the funniest things that happened that night that it actually the switch was flipped over the course of the next couple of hours, all hell broke loose.
George Nori was even flapping around like a chicken with his head cut off, making calls to the IT department, trying to figure out what had happened in an attempt to get solid, credible information he could use to dispel any accusations that Costa Costa M or Premier Radio Networks or iHeartRadio, whatever they're called this week, were trying to supplant bellgab.com in some way or acquire it or that it's been sold to them.
I mean, they were going nuts.
And then the icing on the cake, the bow tie on top of it all for me was watching Art and Heather in the UFOShip.com chat room room where all of you are right now going back and forth with one another.
What do you think has happened here?
I don't know what's happened here.
And then Heather responds, well, do you think that MV may have done this?
I mean, surely not.
I can't imagine that.
I don't think MV would have done this.
And just watching the exchange between the two of them, and occasionally I would play it because there were the live stream was going while they were in the chat room, but it was just music.
So occasionally I would go in and I would put a song in that would reference what was happening just in its title or its lyrics.
And I remember Heather commenting, I can't get over the coincidental nature of some of this music.
Some of this music is uncanny at the moment.
And it was, I guess my point is, it has been so fun at certain times being in the position I've been in to see certain things that others weren't able to see and do some of this stuff.
And now with Art Bell having died and all the sadness that comes along with that, some people might look at that and say, oh, that is just, you really were a dickhead.
But I think a prank like that is totally, I think it totally captures the spirit of some of what Art Bell's antics were in just how he presented his show, the theater of it all is what's happening.
Is what I'm listening to at this moment real?
Is it fake?
Are we all being punked here?
Sorry to use a 15-year-ago term, but are we all being punked?
I think that was totally an art bellish thing to do, to flip that over and forward all of the traffic to coast to coast AM for an hour.
And it sure was fun to do that.
And the tweets that were being sent to me, and we had it all mapped out where anyone who has ever had any relationship to the inner workings of BellGab.com from an administrative standpoint, we knew right away Curtis, since he has helped me with the forum in the past, was going to be accused of having some involvement.
And I talked to him before this and I said, you need to, when I do this, you need to come up with some explanation as to where you are because people are going to think you did it.
And I'm going to tell everybody that I'm at my mom and dad's house out in the middle of Siberia where there's no internet and my cell phone doesn't work and I was just cut off from the world, which is plausible because if I were at my mom and dad's house, that entirely would have been the case.
I have no communication with the external world, with the outside world at my mom and dad's house.
And knowing that there was an emergency gab cast hosted by, I think, Onan, Eddie Dean, probably Jazz Munda was there.
Just all.
I think they hacked the DNS records.
And I even called into the Gabcast that they hosted and, you know, just expressing my I was just incredulous.
I couldn't believe what had happened.
And it really was a lot of fun to be a part of that and to really trick even people who at that time may have considered themselves part of the Bell Gab Cool Kids clique.
You know, it was really something.
And by the way, Caller, are you still there?
This is White Crow.
Okay, hold on just a moment.
Hold on just a moment.
And just knowing I lost what I was going to say anyway when I asked if you were still there.
Go ahead, White Crow.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, MV, you little son of a bitch.
I think you banned me because I was giving you shit for pulling down that website.
Well, how early on?
I think you sent me out to the cornfield on that one.
I don't know.
It's been years.
Yeah, well, that cost me 200 bucks to get back in.
No, I don't think that would have gotten you.
I don't think that would have gotten you banned, though.
I mean, what could you have said?
What could you have said, though?
You banned me so many times to get confused in my mind.
I think you've been banned twice.
The first one was because when you the first time I ever saw a post from you at Bellgab, it was something on the order of, oh, God, I guess I'm not a member of the Cool Kids clique, so I don't know what will happen to me when I say this, but here we go.
It's like, oh, God, here's another little victim.
Let's see what the little victim's going to do.
Another one of these.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, I know.
I know I'm playing the victim like Heather.
I got that down.
So what brings you to?
Rosie, Lasha, call in.
MV will be good to you.
Do you think it's really her, though?
Do you think it's really her?
I don't know.
Yeah, I think she pays attention, but I don't know.
Who knows?
Who knows who?
Well, Rose Girl, if that really is, in fact, you, White Crow has been one of your most ardent advocates at Bellgab.com consistently, persistently, without ambiguity.
So if he advises you to call in, I think it's safe to say that's good advice.
And Lasha, I know I'm the only other person that ever defended you in any of the show threads.
Yeah, I enjoyed Lasha and Nancy.
I enjoyed her too.
It's no secret.
White Crow, I don't remember you expressing anything to suggest that it was me who forwarded the forum to Coast to Coast AM.
I remember the only person I remember that outwardly said they had their suspicions was Jasmoon.
I'm on record, buddy.
Are you really?
Yep.
Huh.
I don't know.
That doesn't sound like something I would have ever banned anybody for, but you paid your 200 bucks.
You're in.
That's okay.
Yep, right, right.
I mean, you've been back ever since, right?
Nobody's banned you since your payment.
Well, no, I don't hassle you anymore.
You don't hassle me anymore.
I'd say.
Please.
That in itself is a troll.
Just now, you just executed a troll within a troll.
It was kind of a meta thing.
Come on.
Come on.
I should love MV.
You say love.
What have I been posting at?
You say love, insert Bellgab handle at the end of just about every post.
I guess that's why it just sort of is like scroll-y, scroll-d-scroll if I see love MV because you put that so frequently.
That's right.
So is it your only purpose of your call was to encourage Rose Girl to make an appearance on the show tonight?
Well, pretty much another little take on Heather.
She really doesn't have much of a support system, I don't think.
If you analyze what's going on, the peripherals of everything, you know, going there and doesn't sound like she has a family too much, being in the desert alone, doesn't have any personal friends out there.
It'd be pretty brutal on anybody.
What did you think about my advice?
I thought your advice was good, but what was her alternative?
Obviously, she has ambition and she was, you know, worked herself into a gig with art.
What was her alternative at the time?
How could she totally remake it?
So over time, yeah, I agree with exactly what you're saying.
No, I don't think she should.
I don't think she could have remade it at the time.
Then, later, or now she should just start a show that is entirely her own, that the premise of which is entirely different.
She can still talk about the things that she apparently likes to talk about, goblins and such.
Heather and Lasha's cats and covens.
Heather is listenable.
I think the old Heather was.
I went the new show, she has a certain appeal to her.
I mean, I don't listen to her about once a week.
It's listenable.
I don't find her that problematic like everybody else does here.
I don't think everyone finds her problematic.
I rate broadcasters listenable and unlistenable.
She's listenable.
That's as granular as your rating system gets?
Well, pretty much.
You know, then there's greats like you and Art, of course.
Oh, please.
Stop it.
Praise MV.
You're making me blush, sweetie.
Stop that.
No, I've always told you that.
What you lack, boy, is perseverance.
You know, you got it.
You've got a certain gift.
It's clear to all of us.
You got the Moxie guy.
I'm getting uncomfortable.
I'm going to have to terminate this call.
Yeah, alrighty.
All right, that's all I got to say.
Lasha, please call in.
You'll Envy treat you right.
I don't think it's her.
Tell us what.
I'm glad you could hear that.
All right.
If you want to be on the show, the number to call 573-837-4948.
I don't think Rose Girl's going to call.
I think Rose Girl has a good broadcasting voice.
If she could just do her show from somewhere other than two feet from a dryer as it's operating, you know, if you can do a radio show or a podcast without any objects with a Kenmore label on them in the same room, I think that's a good way forward.
I'm Michael Van Deeven.
Van Diven Enterprises.
Well, I'm sort of out of things to talk about as it relates to this situation.
If anybody wants to call in and express any sentiments, you'll need to do so within about the next 30 seconds or so.
The question I have for you, MV, is: did you get a chance to listen to the Coast to Coast tribute show?
No.
Can you send it to me?
Somebody posted it.
I'll see if I can find a link.
I don't have a copy of it, but I think it's out on YouTube.
But I'll look for the link and I'll forward it to you if I can find it.
You know what?
I'll just go search YouTube.
Save your keyboard strokes.
I just wanted an opportunity to say strokes.
I thought it was pretty well done.
I thought that Mike Berra was kind of out of place as far as a guest.
I don't think he, I think there were other people that could have been on there before him.
But I guess I don't know the behind-the-scenes stuff.
Maybe him and Art Orculos at one time or something.
Griffin.
He's the guy.
He's the guy that co-wrote the book with Hoagland.
Griffin in the chat asks MV, George alluded to coming back on and discussing what went wrong between he and Art on the last show.
Do you think that was an empty promise, or can we expect Nori to return to the Gabcast in the near future?
I don't think he's really going to ever be comfortable talking about that stuff.
So I figured at the moment that I asked him that question, he'll either answer it now or he never will.
But I think there was something beyond just the paranormal, the paranormal deserves better.
I think there was something more than that.
Was Keith being let go from Premiere or whatever it was called then when Keith got let go?
Did that have anything to do with the timing with when George took over?
No, I think Keith was let go by Premiere long before.
I think Keith was let go by Premiere immediately upon either Art retiring the first time or the second time or Nori taking the show in 2002.
That may be the more likely situation that that's when Keith was given the boot.
Yeah, so I was wondering if maybe that was that kind of said something, said a bit in Art's memory about, you know, as part of it, it was George's fault for not fighting to keep Keith on.
Chameleon808 asks MV, do you think George will at least come through with getting the older shows out?
I think on some level he will, but I don't think the ultimate finished product is going to be what people would hope to see because what I want to see is just a repository broken down by year with all of the shows there unencumbered.
They don't need to have a description.
Can you imagine the job required to put a description and add what effectively constitutes metadata to each of those shows?
Just dub them from cassette tape or whatever their what's what is that called?
Kinescope or whatever the police traffic during the Kennedy assassination was recorded on.
Whatever medium the audio is recorded to, just dub it and post it out there, break it down by year and let everybody download it freely.
I'm not saying freely in terms of don't charge for it.
You own the content and you are a business.
People will pay for it.
And it'll probably be one of the most respectable bursts of revenue your enterprise has seen in quite some time.
Because people would love to be able to get that from the actual source rather than going to the dark web.
I mean, if that stuff was to get out, you know, even if it gets out piecemeal, you're going to be talking about a torrent that's about, you know, 120, 130 gigabytes, and people are afraid of torrents anyway.
Rosegirl says, yeah, that's right, MV.
You and Costa Coast making money off of Art's death any way you can, right?
Yeah, you vulture.
How am I making money?
I guess I could turn AdSense back on until the traffic dies down, but that might be perceived as a little bit thoughtless on my part.
Let me tell you how disconnected my wife is from Belgab, this whole universe.
She has no idea who Art Bell is, no idea about the culture of the forum, none of it.
And when she knew that all she knows is there's a guy named Art Bell who was on the radio, and my website is somehow related to him, and it's trafficked by people who like that guy.
And I was telling her about the death of Art Bell, and one of her initial responses were, well, then why are the ads turned off?
I mean, you've got so much traffic.
And she just had no idea of the depths.
The entire, I mean, she just had no idea of how that would be perceived or how uncouth that would be, how just absolutely without moral compass, devoid of integrity, devoid of any sense of honor whatsoever that would be.
She just did not perceive it because she's not a part of what's going on.
It's just in her mind, it's a binary thing.
Lots of traffic happening.
You better turn on those ads.
As your business advisor, I went ahead and gave you those very instructions.
You're a thick man, Envy.
Okay.
Well, I just had a checkup a few days ago and I received what we'd call a clean bill of health.
Clean bill, huh?
So Morgan went ahead and posted.
Morgus went ahead and posted a link to the YouTube video in the chat room if you want to grab it.
Is it the Coast to Coast tribute?
Yeah, the Coast to Coast from Friday or Thursday, the 19th.
Okay, I'll queue that up.
Not that I'm going to play it, but I'll definitely watch that later.
Sci-fi, sci-fi author says, turn the ads on MV Hell with it.
Yeah, you've waited a respect.
The guy's in the ground, okay?
You've waited a respectable amount of time to make money off of this.
There is a book entitled How Long to Wait Before Turning Your AdSense Ads On After a Prominent Radio Personality Indirectly Related to Your Website dies.
And on page 332, it says the official time is 216 hours.
So I haven't done the math.
I don't know where we are on that clock.
My head hurts too bad to do maths.
Okay, well, it's been a fun show.
I hope that everybody enjoyed it.
I don't know.
It's just, I don't know how much of a purpose there necessarily was to this show tonight, but it's nice to get together just in sort of an audio form and discuss the things that people are discussing on the forum.
Maybe.
Can I add one thing that I did want to talk about about the coast to coast?
Go right ahead.
So the one part that I thought that was Nori screwed up at the very end of the show, he tried to do a personal, a personal sign-off to Aaron.
And he said, and Aaron, for the short time that you were with Art, I want to thank you for, you know, you just went on and said some things.
But Aaron and Art were married for 12 years.
Art and Ramona were only married for 15.
And Art's first two wives, they weren't married to Art for anywhere near 12 years.
So, I mean, she was almost his wife the longest out of the four that he had.
And I thought that that was a little unprofessional on Nori's part.
He maybe just didn't do his homework and didn't realize they'd been married for 12 years.
I'd probably be inclined to let that one slide.
I'd give him a pass on that because these sorts of situations are pretty touchy, and you never know.
Like, you try to say, and especially at the, I guess you said he said this as the outro of the show.
So you're watching a clock and you know you're coming up to the top of the hour.
And on the fly, you're formulating what you wanted to say, unless it's written down on a card, which it may not have been.
I don't know.
There was always this perception of a swath of index cards being included in the process of the broadcast of a Nori-hosted Coast to Coast AM, but he may have just been doing that on the fly and hadn't really put a lot of thought into that.
And as you get older, also, time really seems as though it goes more quickly.
And so to someone as old as George Norrie is, Art marrying this girl in 2006 may feel really recent.
You know, he may not just be consciously aware of actually how many years pass.
I don't know.
But yeah, you're right.
15 years isn't a whole hell of a lot more than 12, is it?
I mean, it's okay.
Well, you guys all have a good night.
I'm going to go get the lawyer that Rosegirl advises I should acquire.
And we'll catch you later on the flip-flop, as the cool kids say.
Have a good night, everybody.
This is the Gab Cast.
We'll see you at Bellgab.
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