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	Hey everybody, go to UFOShip.com, click e-cigs in the menu.
	This is the Gabcast, a podcast about BellGab.com.
	Call us now.
	573-837-4948.
	That number again, 573-837-4948.
	And now, here's the Gabcast.
	Oh, dear lord, I didn't pop my mic down when I cleared my throat.
	So unprofessional.
	This is the Gabcast.
	It is a podcast, a live podcast, live to tape.
	We're using cassette tapes to read.
	We always have.
	We just felt like it gave it a soft, warm analog feel.
	That's how we record it.
	That's Gravity.
	Is that Gravity Sucks talking?
	That's Gravity Sucks.
	How do you all?
	That's Gravity Sucks.
	Sredny Vashtar.
	Good evening.
	Hello.
	There he is.
	You know, I kind of miss.
	I miss the anticipation of the last time you were on Sredny, and you had that random white noise, that wall of white noise that would just melt our faces about every 46 seconds.
	I actually went back and analyzed it like some sort of crazy rainman type person.
	I found it was every 46.2 seconds it was happening.
	Amazing.
	And also, let's see, we've gotten Gloria Spitch, Gravity Sucks, Redney Vashar.
	Okay, everybody's introduced.
	All right, that does that.
	If you want to be on the show tonight, the number to call 573-837-4948.
	573-837-4948.
	And thank you to Chefist for your show notes, buddy.
	I appreciate it.
	I just feel lost doing the show without someone extending their free labor to me to put together a list of things to talk about.
	I just, I don't know, because I'm not immersed in the forum as maybe I have been in the past.
	And so because of that, I don't feel like I just natively know right away, jump right into something and what, here's what we're going to talk about, you know?
	So that's that.
	Anyway, let's see if we want to, you guys all have a copy of the list.
	What do you want to talk about?
	Is there anything not on the list you want to begin with?
	Well, yeah, I want to sort of kick off a bit.
	The Chefist topics, it started off with a kind of a motivational address at the start.
	I don't know whether he's got some sort of George Patton fixation or Tony Robbins or something.
	It's a combination of both.
	I mean, I do love Chefist.
	I mean, we all do, of course.
	But there's this strange sort of thing.
	Some people don't.
	Let's be honest.
	Some people don't.
	Some people dislike everybody.
	What are you going to do?
	But I don't know.
	Maybe it comes across differently.
	Maybe this is the sort of thing Americans are all used to.
	But I don't know.
	This sort of caught my sort of British sensibilities a bit oddly, really.
	I'll sort of read it a couple of minutes.
	Last show was a little dull, honestly.
	Time to bring back the energy.
	I mean, I'm not quite sure anyone can host, but bring your A-game and prepare.
	We all like fellow gathers, but accept responsibility when you co-host, exclamation mark.
	So it's all a bit, I don't know.
	I feel like I was being bucked out, really.
	It's a bit like being in the old gunnery sergeant in full metal jacket, you know.
	You can handle the truth.
	Yeah.
	He is laying the law down a little bit to the previous Gabcast hosts, isn't he?
	Yeah, he obviously wasn't, you know.
	Well, he's putting a lot of pressure on me.
	Absolutely.
	Don't mess up.
	But yeah, so, yes, we've got high standards.
	See, I think this show is a lot better when the people who are doing it just don't really care.
	You know, if you care too much, then you're going to sit down and do this.
	Oh, boy, we better get it zipped down tight because we're doing a broadcast.
	No, this isn't really supposed to be that type of show, I don't think.
	Do we have to wear pants?
	What are you going to be doing while you're not wearing them?
	That's what I want to know.
	I'm co-hosting the gabcast, Grant.
	That was given, but come on.
	There's to be some peripheral activity there.
	Last show was a little bit dull, honestly.
	Did you guys think the last show was a little bit dull?
	I think the lack of callers, we didn't have very many people calling in.
	It seems sedate, but it depends on the people who are hosting as well as their days, because everybody has up days and everybody has down days.
	I don't.
	I am a steady line.
	If you could graph me, that is a very stable guy.
	And the same every time.
	I mean, I'm looking in the chat room now, and there's a lot more people in the chat room this week than there was that time.
	I think because you only put out like 24 hours' notice on the last one, I think that might have hurt a little bit.
	Well, also, I think there, since there hadn't been a gabcast for so long prior to that, that also, you know, there needs to be an inertial build-up.
	Yeah, some people don't.
	I think there's a kind of a reluctance, isn't there?
	You want sort of more people to sort of come in and have a go, don't you?
	And it seems that sometimes there's just a smaller amount of people, and they perhaps feel other people feel slightly intimidated to come and have a go.
	But it's all very easy to do.
	I mean, you don't feel people don't make you feel unwelcome or anything when you do it.
	So I think perhaps there's a sort of reluctance for some people to get stuck in and new faces cropping up.
	I feel like we would probably be talking about the same things and in the same way if we were just having a private Skype conversation as opposed to doing something that people are listening to.
	I think the four of us, that's a pretty good...
	You just can't really know what the chemistry of random people is going to be when they get thrown together.
	only way to know is just to okay do it and i just i think that if last week's show was dull i think it was just i think i felt it was I mean, obviously I did.
	I ended it about an hour earlier than I normally do.
	Tonight, I suspect I will be ending an hour and 15 minutes before I normally do.
	No, you're fine.
	Sit down, everybody, please.
	Well, we have Chef's notes to save the day.
	But I don't know.
	I didn't feel like Amy was comfortable at all at the beginning.
	She seemed to sort of settle in a little bit, but I didn't feel like she was very comfortable.
	But she does her own podcast, so she should feel comfortable behind the mic.
	You need to really speak more loudly in Gloriously.
	Should I turn up my mic?
	know just speak more loudly you're kind of project like i'm giving a speech okay that's probably the first time in her life someone's actually told her she needs to speak more loudly i tend to be soft-spoken in real life Yeah, right.
	That's like saying Mr. Fidget is low energy.
	No, he was actually very chatty.
	I like Mr. Fidget.
	And you know, when he, I mean, he can be frustrating, but he's a unique personality.
	Unique personalities tend to be frustrating people at times.
	But he's a good soul.
	Oh, yeah, he's sort of certainly so harmless.
	What is actually a fidget?
	I never succeeded in finding out what a fidget was.
	Is it just like a keyring or something?
	It's a chain, like a bicycle chain, that is interconnected with itself or with other chains in interesting ways.
	You can in certain designs, you can rotate them, you can interlock them.
	It's like a little, think of it, you can think of it almost like a stress ball, but in the form of a chain.
	They're quite artistic.
	And you were sent one.
	You got a complimentary one, didn't you?
	I got six of these bad boys.
	Yeah, I've got six fidgets, and I still haven't paid.
	I really apologize, Mr. Fidget.
	You too scared.
	I really do apologize.
	Check them on the black market.
	Make yourself a pretty penny.
	The terror wants to know what the phone number is to call in.
	Uh-oh.
	573-837-4948.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey, what's up?
	It's Chefist.
	Hi, Chefus.
	Thanks for your show notes.
	That's appreciated.
	Yeah, you got, hey, Shredney, you got a problem with the fucking notes?
	No, not a problem with the notes.
	It was just your inspiration.
	Are you sure you were complaining about him a lot?
	I just did it just so you had something.
	You could take it or leave it, right?
	Oh, don't be so sensitive.
	I did tell you I loved you dearly to begin with.
	You're very sensitive.
	Jesus Christ.
	You know what?
	Are you serious, Chefist?
	What the hell, man?
	Oh, you're not serious.
	Come on.
	And then I hear this guy.
	Oh, nobody likes him.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Oots.
	What is he talking about?
	So when your daughter gets into the minivan, what kind of chefist is she going to encounter?
	Is it going to be a chefist that says, shut up?
	I sent those people from Belgab Gabcash notes and they're not using them.
	And she's going to have no clue.
	You can't bring your family into this world.
	This is a separation of worlds thing.
	So I hope that when you do encounter your daughter, she sees a normal chefist in a moment.
	Yeah, what the hell, man?
	Oh, boy.
	Jesus Christ, you people.
	What the hell?
	Well, if my input is worth anything, I thought the show notes were great.
	I thought it was a great foundation to the show.
	It's a take it or leave it thing, man.
	I took it.
	I took it.
	I don't know about Sredny, but I took it.
	Well, he's used to taking it.
	Oh, boy.
	Are you driving when you're saying on this rant of yours?
	I hope you pulled over.
	I'm going to work now, Fairy.
	Not working, Fairy.
	Son of a bitch.
	Chefist, are you serious?
	Is this a bit?
	You're supposed to cook with the wine.
	You should not be operating a motor vehicle with a box of wine next to you and a hose running from it into a hat.
	Was he genuine?
	I think he was because he just hung up.
	Surely not.
	Really?
	I don't know.
	Bell Gab surprises me all the time.
	And I mean, that is a perfect example of why you separate worlds here.
	You know, I don't bother telling my wife what's happening on Belgab.
	No, very wise.
	All my customers, though, strangely enough, I tell them.
	I walk them to the computer.
	Yes, Mr. Smith, before you leave, I want to show you a little website.
	Let me introduce you to Mr. Falki.
	Oh, God, you have to mention that name.
	You can't avoid that in perpetuity.
	I mean, that's a name that is just going to pop up.
	It's in the second.
	Yeah, actually, it is.
	Yeah, there's an entire section.
	It says Falki update at the top of it.
	George not posting on Belgab.
	That's his choice.
	He was never banned.
	His book review of Night Talk was the longest on Amazon in history.
	Was it lengthy?
	Some people, I didn't read the review.
	I just don't have that sort of dedication.
	But some people said that it looked as though half of the review had been written by somebody else.
	Is this true?
	Yes, it looked very peculiar, as though he'd been prompted to.
	It just didn't sound anything like the sort of stuff that you'd hear him say.
	There was a bit that looked like he came up, and then it looked like they sent it back to him, and they said, oh, this isn't enough.
	We want some extra bits here.
	So there was stuff about it was a bit like something out of the fugitive, he said, and stuff like that.
	And a few.
	It sounded like they were talking points, you know.
	And he's not very good at concealing the stuff that the input he's got from other people.
	Because these videos that he does for Nori that look like that as well.
	He probably started off by sending them things and they said, oh, these are just terrible.
	And we need to come up with something that's actually usable.
	So they obviously gave him a script and he just read these sort of very anodyne words.
	And yes, and of course, he denies that any of it was actually done by.
	He claims it was all his own work.
	But no, it seemed very obvious that he's got help because there's only one.
	I mean, whatever else you can say about him, you just have a very individual style.
	So yes, that's there's not much doubt that he probably had Tommy prompting him in the background.
	Open Lines Jerry is banging the drums of praise for Falke.
	What is the big guy winding down?
	Open Lines Jerry.
	That guy sent me a private message one time before he supposedly had surgery on a brain tumor.
	And I'm just like, dude, after everything I have seen from you on Belgab, your character that you're doing and whatnot, I can't take this seriously.
	I'm sorry.
	I mean, any other person sends me that message.
	Hey, I'm going to be gone for a while.
	I got to have surgery on a brain tumor.
	My response is going to be a natural human response.
	I'm going to be saying, oh, boy, that's too bad.
	I hope you pull through, buddy, and good luck and all that jazz.
	But when he tells me he's going to go have surgery on his head, I just am like, you know, I don't, okay.
	I don't know.
	I mean, are you really?
	I mean, do you even really have a head?
	That's another question.
	Can anybody hear me?
	Yes.
	Yep.
	Oh, sorry.
	Never mind.
	I see three contacts on Skype and I didn't see myself.
	And my computer kind of shut down for a minute and then it rebooted itself.
	Well, that's entertaining.
	Tell us more about that.
	I panic.
	I'm like, Gonna have to turn it off and reboot.
	But I don't know what I pushed and it turned on, but then I only see Skype says three contacts, and there were four before.
	But if you can hear me, then it's all good.
	We had a caller.
	I don't know if they've stuck around long enough.
	Hello, are you still there?
	Yes, I am.
	Oh, good.
	Okay.
	Hi.
	Thanks for calling.
	Hi.
	You're welcome.
	I would like to relate.
	Oh, it's Star Mountain.
	Duh.
	Or legs as we know her.
	Gams.
	Hello.
	In Glorious.
	Hello, Grand.
	Hello.
	I hope this cool goes better than the last one.
	Hello, Grab.
	Oh, my.
	Hello, Star Mountain.
	This is a story that just happened to me when I was at the here we go.
	I'm going to get letters.
	The Five and Dine.
	The care center at the Pay Center Wednesday, and I had gone in for back therapy.
	What do they do to you?
	Do they just rub you?
	Do they inject you?
	No, I do.
	They give you exercise or give me exercises to do, and then just kind of make sure I'm doing them right and finding out what the pain level is at what point of the exercise, particular exercise that I'm doing.
	How do they know what the pain level is?
	How do they measure that?
	Do you squeeze a ball?
	I tell them.
	I go, ouch, ouch, you know, like, ouch.
	And they say, okay, that sounds that sounded like a that sounded like a 7.6 ouch.
	I'm going to go ahead and write 7.6 in this box.
	You rate it a 1 to 10, actually.
	And I said, oh, I've had a 10 before.
	He says, no, 10 means you're in the hospital.
	Actually, that starts at 8.
	Hospitalized pain is like 8 and above.
	But anyway, I was in the therapy room, and the room is separated by curtains.
	It's like being in a hospital room or something.
	Did something inappropriate happen to you?
	Oh, no.
	Actually, I got in trouble.
	Oh, boy.
	Anyway, there was an elderly lady next door getting a memory evaluation.
	Well, this is starting to get sexy now.
	Settle down, everybody.
	Okay, hang on.
	Are you ready?
	Anyway, the director told her to name every animal she can think of in one minute.
	And she started off lion, tiger, bears, dog, cat, so on and so forth.
	And then she stopped for a minute.
	Are you guys losing her?
	Is she breaking up?
	I was listening.
	Hold on.
	Hold on, Star Mountain.
	I don't know if it's you or if it's my crappy Behringer mixer.
	Okay, Star Mountain, you had this woman topless in the stall next to you.
	Continue.
	With her legs on your shoulders.
	I don't know.
	I think this might be on her end because hasn't this happened with her twice in a row?
	Or is it happening with other people who call too?
	It didn't happen with Sheffield.
	He came through loud and clear.
	Yes, he did, didn't he?
	We heard every syllable.
	Yeah, hold on, Star Mountain.
	I'm going to see if I can do a little engineering here for a moment.
	Get the dust out of your buttons.
	Yeah, it's okay.
	Star Mountain.
	Yes.
	Okay, wait, I just pushed the wrong button.
	Yeah, but I pushed the buttons on the wrong pot.
	It didn't even do anything.
	Years of LSD abuse.
	My apologies, ladies and gentlemen.
	A moment, please.
	Let me.
	Yeah, I was doing it to my microphone pot that I'm on.
	I want to make sure I sound really good.
	Okay.
	And.
	What are you hitting?
	The mixer.
	I'm repeatedly pushing all the buttons on Star Mountain's pot here.
	Okay, Star Mountain, go ahead.
	Okay, can you hear me?
	There was a naked elderly woman in the stall next to you with lactating breasts.
	Carry on from there.
	Oh, yeah, and I told her to hurry up because I had to get this milk pressed to the breast milk sales before it soured.
	And so, anyway.
	Well, continue.
	Did you make it?
	Yes, yes, I did.
	It was not curdled.
	You were able to engage in commerce and make the sale.
	Yes, yes.
	I made a buco buck.
	Okay.
	I hear it goes for like 22 bucks an ounce.
	Oh, shh.
	Ha.
	Not if you know the right person.
	You know, I paid into the Clinton Foundation, so they hooked me up.
	So what happened?
	What?
	Tell the story.
	You had this woman in the stall next to you.
	Let's get to it.
	Come on.
	Okay, well, shh.
	Anyway, she started renaming animals that she had mentioned earlier, and the director says, no, you said that already.
	Hold on just a moment.
	Hold on just a moment.
	Isn't that just sort of a funny scene?
	Like, forget why they're doing it at that moment.
	Forget any of the medical implications, any of the procedural aspects of any of it.
	Just two human beings standing in a room together and one human being telling the other, listing off as many animals as that person can.
	It's just like if aliens came and saw that, what would they be thinking about this race?
	Go ahead.
	That I cannot tell you.
	But she kept renaming animals she had named.
	The director would say, no, you already said that.
	And she continued to say that.
	You've said art 17 times.
	And I finally said, go fish.
	And the director heard the seat slide back on the floor.
	She came around, grabbed open the curtains, don't ever do that.
	She's like, I've been working with this bitch for the last hour.
	Now I got to start over, you whore.
	You screwed up all your metrics.
	She said, no, I have to start all over again.
	Oh, she did say that.
	Wow.
	Yes, she did.
	Okay.
	I've got my finger on the pulse of a lot of industries.
	I kind of felt bad.
	But after I had gotten through with my appointment and she had finished up with the lady, she was just walking back to her office.
	And as she walked by the curtain, I had it open.
	She walked by and go, go fish!
	Right at her.
	I was hoping you'd tell me you struck her in the legs with a cane the way Jim Carrey does Jeff Daniels and Dumb and Dumber.
	No, no, no.
	Well, she laughed.
	She said, as long as I'm not doing this session, but she had a good sense of humor.
	It cracked me up.
	I thought it was funny.
	Well, we voted, and we're only giving it a 4.6.
	I'm sorry.
	Your call was relatively fruitful.
	We have to tell you that.
	I'm just kind of getting, I don't know, dull lately, I suppose.
	I'm sorry.
	I've been feeling the same way.
	I'm in a malaise.
	A malaise?
	Yes.
	Oh, that's male.
	You're a couple consonants off.
	Okay, thank you, Star Mountain.
	Thank you.
	Bye, guys.
	Have fun.
	Good night, sweetie.
	Good night.
	Good night, sweet princess.
	That's Star Mountain from Belgab.com, a website about a radio show that's no longer hosted by the same guy.
	Not really, it's about the guy, not the show.
	So it's about a guy who no longer hosts the show he used to host.
	I think that's what the website's about.
	I think I've got that.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Antheater, Wolverine, Lemur, Groundhog, Mountain Goat, Goat, Monkey, Octopus, Sloth, Gopher, Otter, Hippopotamus, Chicken.
	I'm sorry.
	Zebra?
	Iguana.
	Only mammals.
	Only mammals.
	We're sorry.
	We will have to disqualify that.
	Oh, I just hung up on my co-hosts.
	There they are.
	Sorry.
	You're welcome.
	If you'd like to be on the show, the number to call tonight is 573-837-4948.
	573-837-4948.
	Let's take another look at these show notes.
	Okay, so I only have...
	Do I have all three of you in this call right now?
	I think I'm the only one on, according to Skype.
	Well, that's because I called back.
	I said join the call we gotta get rolling here We don't want to be accused of low energy.
	Are you talking to me right now on the UFO ship, Skype?
	I think you are.
	No, it says Michael Van Diven, and it's got the other people's names, but it just says one and three on this call.
	Okay.
	Oh, ladies and gentlemen, it's the perils of live radio.
	Okay, I'm going to try first adding Inglorious Bitch.
	Okay, are you there?
	I'm back.
	Okay, now let me try adding Sredny.
	Are you there?
	Wow, his call failed entirely.
	Is gravity there?
	No.
	We'll try him again.
	Oh, I see his little square thingy, Gravity Tuck.
	This reminds me of the pre-show.
	This is all we did for the entire 15 minutes or so prior to the show.
	Yeah.
	Something was really messed up with Skype tonight.
	It's as though nobody can add me to their Skype contact list.
	And then when I finally get them on my contact list, I can't call any of them.
	They can't call me.
	I don't know what the deal is.
	Well, I'm glad you reached me because I thought it was me again.
	I was like, oh, crap, not twice in the night.
	I said that to myself.
	If I can only reach one of these people, dear God, let it be Inglorious Bitch.
	And I just pushed the button and covered my eyes.
	God has smiled on you tonight.
	Okay.
	Well, you know what?
	We hardly ever take breaks on this show, but why don't we just go ahead and do that while I try and get the Skype situation sorted out, huh?
	Okay, sounds good.
	And we can also advertise the phone number.
	It is 573-837-4948.
	573-837-4948.
	If you'd like to be on the Gabcast.
	This is the Gabcast, a podcast about bellgab.com.
	Call us now.
	573-837-4948.
	That number again, 573-837-4948.
	And now, here's the Gabcast.
	Okay, this is the Gabcast.
	I'm MV.
	We also have Sredny Vashtar, Gravity Sucks, and Inglorious Bitch on the show tonight.
	And Sredney, you're there, right?
	I'm here.
	Okay, we've had nothing but problems getting you back on the show.
	And for whatever reason, if I call you from my Michael Van Dieven account, it doesn't work at all.
	So I just have to put you on the same...
	I have two separate Skypes.
	This is the part of the show that I'm sure most listeners will be interested in.
	I have two separate Skypes on my computer, each one of which comes across a different slider on my mixer.
	And I have two different sound cards.
	Each sound card works with each one of those respective Skypes in order to make that happen.
	Well, I always try to put all the hosts on one of the Skype accounts.
	And then I leave the other Skype account just for people calling the show so that as I bring in callers, hang up on callers, and I do mean hang up, it doesn't cause me to accidentally hang up on the co-hosts.
	Well, for whatever reason, every time I try to call you, Sredney, on the Skype account that I use for co-hosts, it will not let me call you.
	But if I call you on the one that's for listeners, oh, hey, you know what?
	Skype's working fine over here.
	It's two totally partitioned worlds between these two Skypes.
	I don't know what's going on.
	And I can't even type to you.
	I was trying to type to you, Sredney, and ask you in the IM window on the Skype that you're calling me now on and say, I was trying to ask you if you could hear music just to know if you're connected or not.
	And it won't even let me type anything beyond, can you hear?
	And then the first letter of the word music, just M.
	And then it won't let me type anything else.
	I mean, Skype is such a pile of shit.
	God.
	I seem to be a Joan of Technical Trouble.
	Seems to just follow me around wherever I go.
	I mean, the last time I was on here, there was all this rubbish, wasn't there, with white noise and everything.
	So, you know.
	Well, that time it wasn't you.
	It was all Curtis.
	Let's just resolve it to that.
	Let's resign ourselves to that reality.
	It was Curtis, not you.
	Yeah, of course it was him.
	Fame of Ginger, always.
	I think with your British accent, it couldn't possibly be you.
	You sound so credible and reasonable.
	Well, I sound like a fairy if one of our previous callers was to be taken.
	I think it was.
	That's one of the things he called me anyway.
	I think the British accent is probably, to my ear, the most pleasurable accent to listen to of any I've heard.
	I think the worst are Indian accents.
	Oh my God.
	Absolute worst accent ever.
	Indians.
	What?
	Feather or dot?
	I still didn't understand you.
	Are you speaking?
	Feather Indians?
	The Feather Indians or the Dot Indians?
	Oh, Feather or Dot.
	So you were being quasi-racist there, you know, just boiling an entire culture down to either a feather or a dot.
	I'm just kidding.
	I'm not being accusatory.
	I was referring to the people in the nation, the India.
	India.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	Horrible accent.
	And I think that part of the reason is that I have been programmed when I hear that accent to feel as though I'm placing an unproductive tech support call.
	And just those levels of stress begin welling up within me.
	It's really something.
	So.
	I have problems with tech support in India.
	This was just on message.
	And it was equally annoying.
	Perhaps it was even more so.
	They're saying, you know, look, they're going to help you with your problem, and they just give you the same rubbish over and over again.
	It's even more frustrating when you see it written on the screen than just hearing the accent.
	Yeah, I think Americans have sort of an old attitude to the Indian accent, because they do like to do the...
	You'll get Americans to do...
	You know, the sort of the Indian, the sort of the Hindi kind of Indian accent, which you wouldn't get anyone over here doing that kind of accent.
	It would be very frowned upon.
	But Americans can certainly, you'll find sort of people will do that.
	I mean, like The Simpsons, you know, Apu, you wouldn't get a equivalent over here of somebody.
	I don't think you could get an actor who would do an accent like that.
	It would just, I don't think it would be kind of professional on the suicide, really.
	Don't you think there's something shameful about that, though?
	Because, I mean, it's like we're not...
	I mean, why not acknowledge the differences that exist among wide swaths of humanity?
	You know, that's how I feel.
	People are different.
	People do sound different when they speak.
	Well, I think, I mean, over here, we used to have some terrible, I mean, there was a program called, I can sort of vaguely remember when I was a kid, it was called Mind Your Language.
	It just sort of trotted out every single cliche in the book.
	It was about as of an adult education class with all these, you know, sort of aren't foreigners, hilarious, that kind of thing.
	And people still from that era will sort of cite this.
	And there was another one called Love Thy Neighbor, which was just about a racist bloke living next to a black family.
	It was just sort of, so I think people kind of over, you know, go to the other, the opposite extreme, you know, and so yes.
	But anyway, this teleclinic thing is pretty much frowned upon over here.
	I mean, it's like you couldn't get, say, in sort of, you know, Shakespeare or Othello.
	In, say, in the 50s and 60s, it'd be quite common for a white actor to black up to play, you know, to play a black, black robe.
	You could never do that.
	You'd never get away with that these days.
	I'm sure that's the same over there.
	I'm sure you just couldn't sort of black out.
	In the movie White Girls, it was two African-American comedians whiting up, I guess you could say.
	And that was seen as racist.
	So I think there is a double standard.
	Yeah, but I don't think you wouldn't get blacking up there, would you?
	That's pretty...
	I'm sure that's...
	What film was that?
	You said they white out?
	I didn't hear that one.
	It was called White Chicks.
	The name of the movie was White Chicks.
	I thought it was White Girls.
	Oh, White was it White Girls?
	I'm sorry.
	And it was the Wayans brothers who were very funny.
	And I it wasn't racist at all, but I'm just saying that if, you know, somebody white put on black face that's seen as very racist, then they may as well be a child molester in the eyes of everybody.
	But yet when two black comedians do it and they white up and they put on the wigs or whatever, it's seen as funny.
	And I guess it should be, but I'm just saying there shouldn't be a double standard.
	So it's interesting, you say a British accent.
	Do you not hear any difference between you thinks of everyone from, because I mean, there's so many different accents around for sure.
	My ear hears the differences.
	Yeah, I mean, certainly if you go up.
	I mean, if it's up 100 miles to sort of Birmingham where they all talk like this, it would sound very strange up there.
	Why are you an elitist?
	Oh, listen to you, the London accent.
	All right, we need your sharp poet to call in and show us the real classy British accent.
	Yeah, he's common as Mark, isn't it?
	Obviously, so hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey.
	You're on the air.
	I think someone just said to themselves, you know, I'm going to call this talk show and let them hear what it sounds like when I drop a shoe on my linoleum floor.
	And that's what they did.
	And they've completed the task and hung up the phone.
	What do you want from that caller, huh?
	Live and let live, I say.
	That was an F you to you, Michael.
	Let's go to the show notes.
	Curtis Jazz Oninin.
	In some countries, throwing a shoe is kind of like, isn't that like a big insult?
	Maybe somebody just threw the shoe at you.
	Well, they say that about the Islamic world, but I think it varies from country to country, just like anything.
	Bush, he ducked his shoe, didn't he?
	I can't remember.
	years ago obviously and somebody just this was obviously in the Middle East I think he was a journalist or something Yeah, he was an Iraqi reporter.
	Iraqi forced, yeah.
	And it didn't actually hit him, but he did.
	Oh, it was close.
	Bush was, he was bobbing and weaving.
	And I mean, it was like, well, our president has good reflexes.
	I mean, if we're going to break down what qualifies a man to be president, I don't think we should leave reflexes off the list.
	So Bush is at least doing well in that regard.
	And don't you remember when Obama caught a fly in his hand?
	Does anybody remember that?
	I really wish your Skype didn't sound like you're speaking to me through a roll of toilet paper.
	What was the question?
	I said, does anybody remember when Obama caught a fly in his hand?
	Oh, that was actually when people speak about our politicians and they say, is Dick Cheney a lizard?
	Is this guy a lizard?
	Is name any number of Bush cabinet officials?
	Is this person a lizard?
	He actually caught a fly in his hand.
	I know.
	I'm saying we need to maybe stop limiting that to a certain type of politician.
	Perhaps when you get to a certain level in American politics, you just begin molting.
	And it's like, yeah, you made it, dude.
	Look, your skin's coming off once every three months or however frequently humans begin molting when they cross into lizard territory.
	Let's go back to the show notes.
	Curtis Jazz Onin and even B-dub, oh sorry, Venix are sprouting up again.
	So apparently Sheffist thinks that this person, Venix, is B-dub.
	Anybody know why he thinks that?
	Oh, B-dub stopped posting around the beginning of the year, and Venix started his account like on the 6th of January.
	And Venix doesn't have a lot of patience for Sheffist, so I guess maybe B-dub didn't either.
	Does anybody else agree with him that this Venus person is B-dub, or is this just something in Sheffist's mind that he conjured up driving his minivan to pick his daughter?
	Did B-dub not like Sheffist?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I can't keep up with all the interconnecting, tangential relationships everyone seems to have.
	According to Sheffist, that was his daughter that called and I wouldn't talk.
	She chickened out.
	I do have questions for her to answer.
	Aww.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hey, who's this?
	Um, I'm Sheffist's daughter.
	Hi, how old are you?
	Good.
	I'm eight.
	Oh, that's sweet.
	Is your daddy angry right now?
	Yes, very.
	Why?
	What did he?
	I don't know.
	He got so mad for some reason.
	Did he try to explain to you why he was mad, or did he just get mad?
	He just get mad.
	Oh, that's too bad.
	Well, maybe you can cheer your daddy up, huh?
	Yeah.
	So, uh, do you guys, do you, what do you do with your daddy for fun?
	Do you play catch?
	Do you guys throw frisbees, burn things?
	What do you do?
	Um, usually, um, usually I just spent on my tablet, usually.
	So there's no interpersonal communication.
	No.
	Oh.
	Chefist, what are you doing over there?
	He's just like laughing and getting mad and saying bad words.
	When he picked you up in the minivan, I'm assuming it's a minivan.
	You don't have to tell us.
	I'm going to take you to the woodskin.
	I'm going to get myself.
	Was he driving really aggressively and fast and making sharp turns?
	Yes, he is.
	Does he at least make you wear your seatbelt when this is going on, or do you just sort of float around in the car?
	Usually I float out in the car.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Chefist.
	It sounds like pandemonium at your house, Chefist.
	Yeah.
	Do you feel like things are a little chaotic at the moment?
	Yeah, sure.
	Well, I sure hope you're safe, and I hope that you're okay.
	I would like you to begin wearing your seatbelt, though, or some form of lawful restraint when in a moving vehicle, please.
	Okay, I will.
	Okay, sweetie.
	You have a good night.
	Good night.
	Bye.
	Bye-bye.
	Good night.
	She sounds adorable.
	She does.
	I miss my daughters.
	Adopted.
	Oh, Chefist's daughter is adopted.
	Oh, my sentimentality just drained through my feet.
	I don't care anymore.
	I'm not interested now.
	I miss my daughters.
	They've been gone for five weeks now.
	Do you Skype with them?
	Yeah, but it's really hard because the Moroccan telecoms have all taken it upon themselves to block Skype.
	Isn't that amazing?
	In this country, if that happened, the FTC would just be on top of it in two seconds.
	And this is a benevolent kingdom where the king is perceived to have a lot of power.
	They love the king in Morocco.
	The poor have running water now.
	The poor have electricity.
	The streets are getting paved.
	There's stability.
	It's a great country in a lot of ways.
	Particularly.
	We better fix that.
	Yeah, I'm sure our Pentagon will find some means of screwing that up for us.
	But particularly relative to the rest of the Arab world, it is a very stable, very modern country in a lot of ways.
	Very liberal country.
	But it's perceived that the king has all kinds of power, so he comes out and demands that all these telecoms stop blocking Skype.
	They were just sort of like, whatever.
	They just didn't do it, and nothing has happened.
	It is still not possible to call somebody on Skype in Morocco or for them to call you.
	You have to use a VPN.
	My wife doesn't even understand what a VPN is, let alone.
	I was about to ask, what is that?
	It's a virtual private network.
	What it basically means is the traffic, the internet traffic coming out of the back of your computer, rather than it just go directly between you and Skype, it's instead being sent through an encrypted tunnel, you could say, to a third party.
	And then from there, your communications go to Skype or wherever.
	And because of that, because of the fact that it's encrypted, that means your internet service provider cannot see what you're doing with your internet connection.
	They can see that there's traffic, but it looks like random gibberish.
	And it is, because it's encrypted traffic.
	So that way they can't block your Skype calls.
	They don't even know you're making one.
	And one really interesting thing we found when we started using a VPN to communicate over Skype in Morocco was that the quality of the calls was immensely superior to what it had been previously.
	So that meant even before they started actually just flat out blocking Skype calls in Morocco, they were degrading their quality systematically.
	I mean, isn't that just effed up?
	I tell you what, that's one thing about countries like Morocco is that, and I hear people who are just intensely anti-government.
	They don't think the government should have any role in anything.
	But these are the kind of, if you want to see what a near pure, just let everybody do whatever the hell they want type of system is, go look at a country like Morocco.
	There's virtually zero regulation on business.
	They can do anything they want practically.
	There's no minimum wage.
	People just, hey, I'm going to pay you what I pay you.
	And you either can accept that or fuck off.
	There'll be somebody else.
	And so you just deal with it.
	I mean, in a lot of ways, that really sucks.
	You know, you kind of need the government, I think.
	I know I said no politics tonight, but I feel like you do kind of need the government to take care of a few things.
	And that's what happens when they don't.
	You start having your Skype calls cut off because the phone company would rather you give them money to use whatever voice services they provide.
	Like because of that policy shift, suddenly the Marook Telekom Company's proprietary voice service is going to be the most heavily trafficked in the world.
	Suddenly, Skype competitor Marook Telekom is taking the world by storm because of their brilliant move to disallow the use of Skype on their networks.
	It's just stupid.
	I think we lost SV.
	No, you too.
	Why, because he's not interrupting me, you just assume it's an impossibility that he could just be sitting there calmly listening to somebody prattle on?
	No, because my Skype says two participants and I see you and Grandma.
	Well, that's because I've got him on the other Skype account.
	Oh, that's right.
	See, I spent two minutes talking about that, sweetie.
	You were not listening to your co-host.
	I chucked it out.
	It was technology, so.
	She was doing her nails.
	That's a sexist presumption on your part.
	She could have been reading an engineering manual.
	You don't know what she was doing.
	I was doing my nails.
	So anyway, Chefist thinks Venus is B-dub.
	I don't think so because I have the ability to look and see who IP addresses.
	Yeah, I mean, and if you ever just once allow the same IP address to be used by two accounts, it'll be obvious.
	I mean, that's a lot to juggle, to just totally never accidentally allow that to happen.
	Yes, that does happen a bit, actually.
	I think quite often that there's a post that's of an unpopular post that goes away and then someone else comes back.
	Oh, indeed happens, yes.
	And they say, oh, you're such and such.
	And it's something you really can't disprove, can you?
	People say, oh, you're such and such.
	If you say, no, I'm not, they say, well, I don't believe you.
	So what can you do?
	You seem to type the same way, sir.
	I mean, there's someone who's getting accused of being Falky at the moment.
	Someone called Sasha.
	And it does look a bit like that, but the way the lines look on the screen.
	For some reason, Falkey has a very distinctive style, but I don't think it is here.
	But yeah, it's a very common thing that people get in their head.
	Dimitri is accused of being falsey as well.
	Dimitri is accused of being falsey as well.
	Who?
	Dimitri?
	Dimitri.
	Oh, well, you know, whoever opened that account.
	I mean, that was a strategic username to use.
	I mean, that probably is somebody who wanted people to question it.
	Is that Falkey?
	I don't even bother enforcing the one-user account policy anymore.
	It's a stupid thing to even bother with.
	I mean, anyone who has half a brain can find a technological means around it.
	It's a dumb thing to try and bother with.
	I just don't care.
	I think that's what I'm saying.
	I just don't care anymore.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	What in the hell is going on here?
	You sound like somebody who has a mustache tonight.
	Absolutely freaking not, but let me tell you something.
	We need a little energy here.
	We need a little high energy here.
	What's going on?
	You guys are laying about.
	Shredding.
	What?
	I expected better.
	Come on.
	What's going on?
	I do see in Chefist's notes, he does say the show needs to be higher energy.
	Shredding?
	Higher, higher.
	Enough of Morocco.
	Who gives a fuck about Morocco?
	Hold on a minute.
	Who the hell is this, by the way?
	It's Cheffist.
	No, it's not fucking Sheffist.
	Are you kidding me?
	No, I didn't think it was.
	No, no, no, Shredney.
	It's not Chefist.
	You know, I just, I can almost picture you sitting there.
	You're such a lovely broke.
	Sitting down in your little three-piece suit with your pocket watch.
	You've got some marks and Spencer's, you twisted fucking gun.
	I give that about a 4.6.
	4.6!
	Yeah.
	Oh, wait a minute.
	Let me switch to the little problem.
	It left a little bit to be desired.
	Alright, then.
	I'll do the Liverpool one, you know, because I'm way much better on that one than the other one you see.
	So, you know, did I hear you right?
	Your name is Terry?
	It's not Alistair or Adrian or Liam or Alfie or Jeff.
	You know, the way you college couldn't spell it, G-E-O-F-F?
	Oh, I know.
	I know who it is.
	It's the you Norton Sod.
	Who is it?
	Who is it?
	Yorkie.
	Who?
	No, this is totally Chefist.
	No, I've actually hosted the Gabcast before back in March.
	I had a little open heart surgery and just had a certain amount of money.
	Oh, this is K-Dub.
	P. Kaiser, fucking K. Or P. Kaiser.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Yeah, okay.
	See how much I care about all of you?
	I don't even know who you are.
	You have the shittiest cardiovascular system in all of Belgab history.
	There are people who've died since they signed up for Belgab whose cardiovascular systems I would rate more highly.
	Yes.
	Even after they died.
	But here I am cussing you guys out.
	No, I just somebody said to call in, so I thought I'd call in and just harass you guys.
	I've never really great accent.
	I honestly thought it was Shafist, and then I thought it was Yorke.
	I thought the Liverpool accent was superior to what he had attempted prior.
	Oh, well, thank you very much.
	Yeah, see, that's pretty good.
	Well, speaking of Liverpool, speaking of Liverpool, 50 years ago today, speaking of Liverpool, you lost.
	Okay, I guess Gravity Sucks and P. Kaiser, the two of you cannot hear one another, it seems.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Gravity sucks.
	Go ahead and speak.
	Okay, speaking of Liverpool, 50 years ago today, the Revolver album by the Beatles was released.
	Of course, most of you are too young to remember that.
	What's the first one on it since you're such an old fuck?
	Is it Dr. Robert?
	No, Tax Man.
	It's the coolest internal beetle.
	Is Dr. Robert on Revolver?
	Who played guitar on Taxman?
	Paul.
	Who wrote it?
	I can, George, I can out-beetle any of you guys with my freaking one hand tied behind my back.
	Okay.
	Oh, I'm having a problem.
	This is so much fun.
	What?
	You give us a lot of fun.
	I know Shreggy and Ibby are too young, and MV's too young to even remember 50 years ago today.
	Why does someone have to have been alive to be aware of things that happened prior to their birth?
	Well, because I was only three.
	I'm only aware of history back to 1974.
	Everything prior to that, it's just a fog.
	I was born in 79.
	One day I woke up and said, I will dedicate myself to knowing everything there is to know that happened at least five years prior to my birth.
	Anything beyond that, I can't be bothered.
	You were born in 1979?
	Yeah.
	That's when I was in my first professional band.
	I'm still living with mom.
	I haven't moved out of anything.
	That's freaking great.
	1979.
	I remember that.
	I remember 1979.
	I had a lot of fun in 1979.
	Horrible musical era, though.
	Oh, the 70s were the worst cultural decade in our nation's history.
	I disagree with that.
	I just think that musically, the end of the 70s really was a sour note.
	Every time I think of the year 1979, I think of that song, There's people out there turning music into gold.
	Meer, meer, meer, meer, meer, meer.
	What a pile of shit that song is.
	It's great.
	Yeah, it is.
	It's awful.
	I can't believe you brought that crap up.
	There's people out.
	Come on, Shred.
	God damn it.
	He's been disconnected.
	He has been disconnected.
	I don't know why.
	He put him on the yellow.
	I don't think he did.
	Is the other you there?
	Is who there?
	He's entirely offline now.
	Okay.
	Well, I guess that's just going to be the way.
	Let me see if I can add him.
	I've got him in my contact with us now.
	So, Pete Kaiser, are you in the hospital calling us from the hospital right now?
	No, no, I've been out for a week and I'm doing really great.
	I mean, just for anybody who doesn't know, he really does have the worst cardiovascular system in the history of Belgab.
	And I'm only 53.
	You've had like 26 stents, 12 bypasses.
	What just happened this time is they repaired the artery that they kept going up inside to do all that stuff.
	They kept working their way up the artery and they just kept finding more and more as they went.
	You know, there was a small tricycle at one point.
	We saw it with our little camera instrument.
	And it was blocking me bloodstream.
	Well, anyway, where they kept going in, there was a big, huge aneurysm that formed there.
	And, of course, we all know that those can explode at any time and kill you in two minutes.
	So they snipped that out, put a piece of rubber, this new rubber hose that they've been using forever, and they put that in there, and it's right in my groin there on the right side.
	And, you know, this gave me a little more pain than the stand open art surgery I had in March.
	It was kind of weird, but it's all over now.
	I'm walking better and feeling pretty good.
	And I'm going to be able to start riding my bike next week, and it'll be nice.
	Aneurysms are really creepy.
	I mean, anybody can be walking around with one.
	You can slip and fall while you're out playing baseball or whatever.
	And an aneurysm that's just been waiting around inside you that you're completely unaware of.
	Just poof.
	Yep, you're dead.
	Sorry.
	You shouldn't have slept, you wacky asshole.
	You should have been more careful.
	And I have an aortic aneurysm too, but it's very, very, very, very small.
	So I don't have to mess with that for right now.
	But those are the real dangerous ones.
	You can't.
	Well, they never know that they have him.
	Yeah, that.
	I just happened to be.
	I think I told you the story already, but the night I found out I had the aortic aneurysm, we came home and we were watching the original War of the Worlds with Michael Rennie.
	And we like to get on our phones and look up the actors and see what they did, you know, while we're watching the movie stuff.
	And I'm looking at Michael Rennie, and it's like, oh, cool.
	He born in 1909, died in 1962 of an aortic aneurysm.
	And I'm like, son of a bitch, Patty, what the f ⁇ ?
	You just never know you have them.
	I got lucky that they found this one.
	Well, you're lucky that actually, in a sort of strange way, you're lucky you've had so many horrible things wrong with yourself that it presented the opportunity for them to detect that.
	Because a lot of people will just never know because they never had any precursor problems that led to the detection of it.
	Yeah, my vascular surgeon was a little bit more.
	This was a public service announcement.
	It was from Bill Gab.
	From Vinny, even at her price.
	He insisted on checking all that stuff out, and that's how we found them.
	So everything's really good.
	Hey, isn't Gloria still on the line?
	Yep.
	Are you there?
	Hey, you know, I've been looking at your avatar, and I love it.
	Oh, thank you.
	I was thinking that you needed to, you know, she's got her little fist, her right fist on her right cheek, you know, right up to.
	You should alter that so it looks like she's very subtly flipping us off.
	That would be the best.
	Just add a little black middle finger on her cheek.
	If only I had Photoshop skills.
	Oh, that would be hysterical.
	Somebody will do it for you.
	I don't get it.
	I would have to go look at her avatar right now.
	I'm too lazy.
	Resting her chin on her hand.
	I can't be bothered.
	Yeah, it's what's her name that you always have on yours.
	Oh, I can't even think of her name now.
	That's killing me.
	Aubrey Hepburn.
	Aubrey Hepburn, how could I even forget that?
	Now I just want to hang up in shame.
	P. Kaiser, let's get to more important things.
	Do you think B-dub is actually Venus?
	Wait a minute.
	Now, B-dub, he was the guy that had the avatar.
	It looks like the guy's lighting up a big bowl, right?
	No, he had the Loch Ness monster.
	Oh, that guy.
	You know, no, I have no idea who this is.
	I'm just kidding, really.
	I don't expect you to have a packaged answer to that question waiting for me.
	I'm just kidding.
	Why the hell not?
	Let's see if we can get Sredney back on the show.
	He is shown to be entirely offline.
	Isn't that amazing?
	I have only done this show with him twice.
	I really like doing the show with him.
	The problem is there's always some sort of a technical impairment.
	Why would a guy who is so cool as Shredney?
	Honest to God, the guy's great, and he's really bright and intelligent.
	Why would he always want to come on Gabcast, or not Gabcast, but on Bellgab and just be a total dick all the time?
	I don't get people like that.
	I think that's just your American perception or interpretation of his.
	He kind of likes to take the piss out of people, and he is sad that people don't respond to him.
	I always have something smart, Alec, to say back, so he's told me that he likes that, and he wishes other people would do the same.
	It's kind of like a shtick.
	Like, you know, he'll say something, and then somebody else should say something, snarky to him back, and then have a back and forth.
	But most people, I think, just think he's a brute dick, so then they just don't respond.
	They think he's a throat.
	I love taking the piss out.
	I love taking the piss out of people, too, but I usually like to do it after they've, like, done something to have the piss taken out of them for.
	He just does it just to freaking do it, you know?
	I don't know.
	Well, I think you have to have some sort of history with somebody before you can expect them to just feel comfortable freely coming right back at you and dedicating the time to bother going back and forth with you.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Looking at the show notes here.
	Do you want to stay on with SP Kaiser or do you want to go?
	I can stay on for a few minutes.
	Well, we'd like you to go, so I'm going to hang up now.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm joking.
	I'm just joking.
	Really, with all your cardiovascular problems, I just want to savor every moment I have with you.
	So just stay right there.
	Thank you, MV.
	Praise MV.
	I appreciate that, MV.
	Oh, hey, if we're searching here, hold on a second.
	I want to give some shout-outs.
	We've got to give some shout-outs to Brig.
	I know she's out there.
	And Star Mountain got a shout-out to Star Mountain.
	And let me see.
	Oh, Element 115.
	Really liked that kid up in Maine.
	He's a great kid.
	And, gosh, there was one more kick, man.
	Can't think of it.
	Oh, well.
	I'm upset.
	Azure.
	Did you know Azure was a girl?
	I thought Adjuré was a guy.
	It took me a while to figure that out.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I never know who's.
	I mean, unless they're very obvious, I have no idea who's male and who's female.
	I think she's called into the show before.
	Oh, she has.
	Okay.
	Now Sredney's back online, but I can't call him.
	I wonder what happens if I click where it says block this person.
	I tried to add him to the call, and it said that he was already said that he wasn't on the call, but when I went to Adam, it said he was already a participant.
	Is Gravity back?
	He never left.
	It's just that he doesn't contribute much.
	Hey, I thought I had the trivia of the night with Revolver, but then I got the Beatles expert on the other line.
	What can I do?
	Yeah, I am.
	So, Dr. Robert, is that on Revolver?
	I didn't catch the answer to that question.
	Yes, it is.
	Yes.
	Yes, it's on Revolver.
	It's one of my favorite songs on Revolver, actually.
	It's a euphemism.
	Dr. Robert, it's a euphemism for marijuana.
	No, no, actually, Dr. Robert was the guy in London that used to get them all their cool drugs.
	They were just getting into LSD when this, when Revolver was released.
	And in fact, a dentist had slipped it to them, and they didn't even know that they had been dosed.
	And they were driving around London.
	But anyway, after a while, they started getting, because they're all potheads anyway at this time, by the end of 1966.
	And so they got all their goodies, their prelies, their uppers, their downers, and reefer and stuff from this guy in London.
	And they wrote the song, Dr. Robert.
	New York City.
	The doctor was from New York City.
	Yes, yes, yes, actually.
	Yes.
	Okay, well, I retract my euphemism claim.
	I don't want to give the guy a heart attack.
	You're just agreeing with Pete Kaiser so that he won't die.
	He won't cease to exist?
	Right.
	Oh, no.
	No.
	No, it's all.
	I've been a Beatles freak since I was like two.
	I can't help it.
	I wouldn't say I'm a Beatles freak, but I really do respect them.
	I do like them a lot.
	And I do think that Ringo is probably one of the most underrated drummers of all time.
	You know, people, when they think of Ringo, they just think of a metronome.
	They think he, I'm just happy to be here.
	You know, that's what they imagined him saying when anybody would walk up to him.
	Oh, no, no, I'm just happy to be here.
	Well, no, he was much more than that.
	I mean, you hear a lot of intricacies in Ringo's drumming that you later hear.
	A lot of fills and a lot of weird says, I mean, for instance, because he was left-handed and played on a right-handed kit at times, it caused him to do a lot of weird things in terms of how he navigated around the drum set.
	Man, you are astounding me.
	That is some excellent Beatle trivia right there.
	Most people don't know that Ringo was left-handed.
	Everyone knows Paul was, but most people don't know that Ringo is a lefty.
	I didn't know Paul was left-handed.
	I thought he had lost his left-hand prior to joining the Beatles.
	On the one hand, I'm very aware of Beatles lore.
	On the other hand, I just failed miserably.
	You know, it's a problem I've had.
	That was Stu.
	That was Stu.
	He's the one that lost it.
	No, he lost his head.
	I'm sorry.
	He had an aneurysm, didn't he?
	He kind of did.
	I thought Stu Sutcliffe died of a brain aneurysm.
	Yeah, brain hemorrhage.
	He was kicked in a fight in the head about eight or nine months before that in Liverpool.
	Then they went to Hamburg and did a Hamburg thing, and he stayed back and started complaining of massive headaches and then passed away on April 18th.
	He was like 22.
	1963.
	Yeah, he was young.
	What bad luck.
	But, you know, the thing is, he couldn't really play the bass.
	He was an average bass player.
	I've got a tape of him playing, and he could play like what you would hear like a bar band or something.
	I mean, he would hit the root notes.
	He had the timing to hit the root notes, but he was never going to go doot and dootin' dootin dooto dootin' dootin' dootin doot.
	You know what I mean?
	He was never gonna do that shit.
	See, that's what I always say to any bass player I meet.
	I say, I'm gonna need you to go dootin', dootin', dootin, doot, dootin, doot, and dootin, dootin.
	If they can do that, hey, buddy, you're in.
	Let's go get some pot.
	What do you think about them apples?
	Let's go smoke some pots.
	Let's go smoke some pots.
	You know, it's really hard to find a good bass player.
	And I think the bass really is the most underappreciated aspect of any good band.
	And some of the greatest bands of all time had very dominant bass players.
	The bass player maybe was the lead singer or the songwriter.
	Thin Lizzie is a really great example of that.
	They never quite made it in the United States.
	I've heard people say that they're sort of on par with Led Zeppelin in a lot of ways in parts of Europe.
	I've seen them three times.
	They were fantastic.
	I love Thin Lizzie.
	Sredney, it appears you're back.
	Yes, I am.
	But did you see Thin Lizzie with Phil Linot playing, or was it after he died?
	No, no, no.
	I saw him with Phil Linott.
	Oh, wow.
	You really are old, aren't you?
	Yes, I saw it back in the late 70s and the early 80s.
	See, I don't care for that era.
	I like the early Thin Lizzy Vagabonds of the Western World era.
	That album, Thin Lizzy, Vagabonds of the Western World, could be one of the greatest albums of all time, actually.
	And this is coming from somebody who's a huge Zeppelin fan, huge Beatles fan, huge Pink Floyd fan.
	I've read books.
	I've watched documentaries.
	But, man, I still always come back to that album.
	If you like Thin Lizzie, did you ever see Mother's Finest?
	No.
	Go check out Mother's Finest.
	They were like the United States version of Thin Lizzy.
	Mother's Sinus.
	Mother's Finest.
	Oh.
	That's a good friend.
	Yeah, Mother's Finest.
	Don't blow that shit, kid.
	It sounds like a really disgusting band to see.
	I don't know.
	I like cleanliness in my bands.
	Mother's Sinus.
	Yeah, yeah, that's it.
	No, Mother's Finest.
	They were like America's answer to.
	But they didn't make it anywhere, did they?
	Well, they had a lot of it.
	They're like Thin Lizzy, only they're not, and they never made it.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Kind of like a gab cast about a show that isn't a show anymore.
	After the show, I'm going to play a couple tracks from Thin Lizzie's Vagabonds of the Western World if you want to stick around on the stream.
	I recommend it, people.
	I think it's fair use.
	It's for commentary.
	It's, you know.
	Pete Kaiser, didn't you have a radio show at one point?
	Well, I've worked on Bob and Tom on the Bob and Tom show years ago.
	I was a producer in Third Wheel at a political talk show in Maine for quite a while.
	I did some DJ work and wrote a lot of comedy bits and crap like that on a couple of different shows.
	There was a show over in Peoria, Illinois I used to work on called The Church of Rock and Roll.
	It was on Sunday nights, and we used to get away with the most filthiest crap.
	It was unbelievable what we got away with.
	And it was broadcast on FM every Sunday night.
	It was a blast.
	Don't take it personally, but I always thought Bob and Tom sucked ass.
	That's no reflection on you.
	I mean, just themselves.
	You should have heard them before they were syndicated.
	When they were local here and they were doing the regional thing, they were a friggin riot because they did a lot of comedy bits.
	Once they became syndicated, they had to get away from all the bits, and they just pretty much dragged in comedians, you know, and crap like that.
	And you're right.
	I haven't worked for them since, God, 1992, 93, because it's just, you know, that's when they went syndicated.
	It's boring.
	I'm sorry, guys.
	It was boring.
	So you were with them along for the ride as they became syndicated or after they were syndicated?
	Before.
	So you were not there for the syndication era.
	But I heard it because I was working at radio stations that had been.
	I'm not saying you didn't hear it.
	I'm sure you did.
	I'm just wondering.
	No, I didn't work with them after they got syndicated.
	No.
	So in order to really branch out and become big, they had to get rid of you.
	You were the positive attitude.
	That's the problem.
	You're holding them back.
	You were the kink in that whole operation.
	I've even gotten emails from Bob, whatever his last name was.
	Yeah, P. Kaiser just really, he was mucking up the works.
	Isn't it Bob Elliott?
	One of them is Chris Elliott's father.
	If you know who Chris Elliott is, the comedian, you're telling me one of the hosts of the Bob and Tom show is Chris Elliott's father?
	What are these guys 80 years old?
	No, they're still not old enough to be.
	Chris Elliott's got to be 50, 55.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he's our age.
	No, Bob's the oldest, and he's like, he's 65.
	In fact, he just retired because, and they said, well, why are you talking about the moment?
	Wait a minute.
	Which one is Chris Elliott's father?
	I'm going to have to Google it.
	Hold on.
	Please do.
	Yeah, because either one of them is Chris Elliott's father.
	I'll provide the waiting music.
	Midnight at the Oasis.
	Hey!
	Sing your camel to behead.
	Fucking karaoke.
	La ta pee.
	Pull that out.
	Man, we have a great foundation.
	Pull that something like that out of your head on a dime.
	That is warped.
	That is really warped.
	Midnight at the freaking oasis.
	Bob Elliott.
	All my friends say that about me.
	They say he can just whip out Midnight at the Oasis on a dime.
	That's what we like about Michael.
	That's why we take him out.
	What's Inglorius saying?
	Bob Elliott died this year.
	So Bob of the Bob and Tom Show is dead.
	No, no, no.
	Bob and Tom is named Bob Cavoyan and Tom Griswold.
	Okay, well, we're getting nowhere here.
	Who is Chris Elliott's dad?
	Bob Elliott is dead.
	But does he host the Bob and Tom show?
	No, it's Bob and Ray.
	So whoever said that was entirely contributing erroneous information to this show.
	Excuse me, sorry.
	No, it's Bob and Elliot.
	This is a broadcast where we are relied upon by the listening audience.
	We can't be doing that.
	That's muttering hell.
	Okay, so back to the show notes.
	Sredney, are you there, buddy?
	Yep, I'm him.
	Okay, good.
	See, Inglorious Bitch, he can just sit back and appreciate the broadcast.
	He doesn't have to be front and center.
	Yes, listen and love.
	The show notes, Curtis, Jazz, Onin, and even BW, Osari Phoenix, it says, are sprouting up again.
	Everyone is excited to see the old gang coming around again.
	After why so technical, some even posted, including the much-revered Onan.
	And then he says, Will their pretense grow like a well-deserved erection or fungus?
	I think he means presence, yes.
	See, this, I think, item number three on this section, uh, Chevist, is why Sredney was just so down on your notes.
	Yes, there's some very strange uh choice of words in that uh in those show notes.
	I don't quite know what he's getting at, but um, yes, I mean, are they uh the sort of the old guard coming back?
	I don't know, because every so often Onan pops his head up, which is always welcome.
	But I haven't seen Jasmundra around very much recently or any of the others.
	I always enjoy reading anything Odin's got uh got to say, so I'm glad he's um he's come back.
	He hasn't been around for a few months, I suppose he was doing other things, but um yes, it's always nice to see some of them.
	Well, some of them anyway, some I didn't have much time for, but um who oh, beat up.
	I used to hate him, did you?
	Yeah, he's incredibly irresisting.
	I don't know why, I just he's nip isn't that the pot calling they play kettle black.
	I'm just biting my freaking tongue out here, man.
	Really?
	Are you s are you are you implying something?
	Insert popcorn, Jeff.
	No, Redney, you know I love you, dude.
	No, you don't.
	You don't.
	There's a whole deal about that stint that I worked as your campaign manager that I still haven't been reimbursed for.
	No, I didn't even pay your expenses, did I?
	Yeah, you took a bath on that.
	You know, there are a lot of people who have stopped using the forum at this point or that point or some other point, or maybe two different points.
	I mean, who can keep up?
	Everybody's got their reasons why they no longer use the forum.
	It's unmanageable.
	Yeah, there's always a few that just stick in my mind because of their unusual names.
	There's one guy called Aquagoat, who I always used to post.
	This was back years ago.
	I just remember the name, and I think he was quite sort of a frequent poster for a while.
	And yeah, there were just ones that you sort of see, and then they just pass up, I suppose.
	They just go off to do other things, whatever, just forget.
	Usually, well, I don't know if I can really quantify this and say, usually it's because, but often it's because of some decision I've made and how I run the forum or, you know, it's just.
	Do you get an email saying I'm sometimes, yeah.
	And I feel like if you send a message to announce that you're departing the forum, I just feel like your departure really was pretty weak.
	I mean, it's heavier just to stop using it and let people say, what happened to that guy?
	You know, if you need to drum up some fanfare as you're making your departure from the king's court.
	How often do you have to sort of step in?
	Because there was this business the other week with all these right-wing, well, top right-wing neo-Nazi types coming around.
	And it was getting a bit a bit odd with all these people.
	It was just one would start and then there's a cluster of them would start.
	And I think it bothered a lot of people.
	Generally, I just got bored with it and just didn't read it.
	But I know some people found it pretty much pretty unpleasant to read.
	Do you sort of tend to get rid of some of these people or do you just leave it to like when I see a thread and let's say it's a thread that I find personally offensive, I just stay off that thread and I will go on the threads that I don't find offensive.
	And people need to get over themselves.
	Well, the problem is...
	I've been posting for a long time because I was sitting there thinking, do I have anything intelligent or funny to add to this conversation?
	And for like three months there, the answer was no.
	So I just stayed off.
	I was working all the time and reading all your stuff, but I just never felt up to the task almost.
	You know what I mean?
	So I just waited until there was some point in time where I thought I could add to this.
	That's how I do it.
	The problem is what is the response and what is the response to on my part?
	I mean, am I supposed to, and I'm not specifically saying this to you, Sredney.
	I'm just speaking in generalities, you know.
	I mean, am I supposed to disallow the use of the word Zionist?
	And then if I'm not going to disallow the use of the, or if I'm going to just disallow the use of the word in certain contexts, okay, well, then that's another thing to manage.
	Then someone has to be there to analyze in what context is a certain word allowed to be used.
	Someone, I mean, I'm even expected by some people to disallow the use of parentheses around some people's usernames.
	I mean, the absurdity of that to me is just unimaginable on a level that I can't even begin to articulate verbally here.
	I didn't even realize until the night that I was basically accused of being a Nazi sympathizer because I didn't stop in to prevent somebody from putting three parentheses on each side of their username or around just random words in their posts.
	And I wasn't even aware until that moment that that happened that those parentheses in that used in that way had any sort of a meaning whatsoever.
	And then I found out that it's actually something that Jewish people on social media are doing to identify themselves as being Jewish, which I'm sorry.
	That is like the stupidest thing I have ever encountered in my life.
	It's like some 21st century cyber equivalent of a Star of David badge in a Warsaw ghetto.
	It's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever encountered in my life.
	And if you're some asshole on a message board who thinks that decisions should be made based on whether someone's using parentheses around their name or around random words in their posts, I can't be bothered with that.
	You know, I just can't.
	Also, what else were these people doing?
	They were posting messages in which they argued that the Holocaust never happened.
	There are idiots in this world.
	There are stupid people in this world.
	There are people with hate in their heart in this world.
	There are people who refuse to acknowledge generally accepted history or the legitimacy of generally agreed upon historical events.
	And the Holocaust is one of those.
	A lot of people who deny it have their motivations.
	But does that mean that as someone who's running a message board, you're supposed to step in and stop somebody from expressing a stupid, historically inept opinion about what it is that happened in World War II?
	I mean, I don't think it's my responsibility to step in and stop somebody from expressing their stupidity.
	It is my responsibility to stay out of everybody's way and allow them to respond to that stupidity.
	But my simple act of not removing it from the forum implies nothing.
	In fact, if I were to say the deciding factor with regard to what's allowed to stay on the forum and what gets removed from the forum is whether I agree with it or not or I personally endorse it or not, 75% of the shit you read on Bellgab will be deleted within 24 hours if that's the measurement by which that's decided.
	I mean, these are very slippery slopes and people don't understand that.
	And I really wish that people would just understand there is stupidity in this world.
	There are idiotic people who are going to say idiotic things on a message board.
	This message board is a script running on a server and anybody with internet access who has an IP address that's not on any sort of a banned list anywhere can get access to it.
	And you're going to see all walks of life in some regards when it comes to the various things people are expressing.
	I mean, it's too much to manage it.
	I think the forum, if anybody thinks that the forum is endangered by that, well, let's see how much it's endangered by a new precedent that says unpopular opinions or opinions that do not reflect generally accepted historical conclusions will now be removed from the forum or the use of parentheses around a username or around any words.
	If you put parentheses around the word them, you could be banned.
	I mean, it's just an absurdity to me.
	And I think that anybody who has that been out of shape about something like that, anybody who isn't already aware of the fact that there are Holocaust denier idiot assholes in this world and isn't already aware of the types of things those people say, if you're not aware of that and you're shocked by it and you can't just scroll past it, I don't know how to help you.
	But I'm not going to destroy the entire forum, the entire philosophical approach of the forum by starting to arbitrarily decide what's considered offensive, what's considered appropriate.
	I reached the conclusion a long time ago that I really need to draw the line with what is legal and what is not legal.
	Now, there is certain racial stuff I will delete.
	This is another thing.
	There are people who criticize me for this who don't know, aren't aware of what it is that I have deleted.
	They're only aware of what I don't delete.
	They don't know what I have deleted.
	So, for instance, King of Kings, I can remember one thread he started that said, people stealing bottles of water at a race in London, guess which race?
	And it was, and then you open the thread and it's a picture of black people walking up and picking up bottles of water.
	I'm sorry.
	That's that's stormfront bullshit.
	I've got no use for that.
	But that, to me, is in a different category.
	Or if you just posted a thread that said in its title, hey, fuck the Jews.
	And then the first post is a giant swastika.
	Of course, that's going to get deleted.
	It's not the expression of any sort of an idea, really.
	It's not any kind of a coherent message.
	It doesn't contribute to any form of a discussion at all on any level.
	It's entirely intended to offend.
	It brings nothing to the table.
	But if somebody submits a post and it's lengthy and it's thought out, at least in their minds, it's thought out, and it's an expression of ideas, it's words, that to me is a very dangerous thing to begin stepping in on, regardless of what your perspective is.
	And if anybody wants to quit the forum, you know what?
	If I have to go down the road that it is some of these people want me to go down in order for their continued use of the forum to remain, I'd rather they just leave because they're asking me to begin a level of micromanagement that I just am sorry.
	I have a life.
	I have a family.
	I have a job.
	I have things, real things to deal with.
	If somebody posts illegal content on the forum, fine, advise me of that.
	But really, I just can't be bothered.
	What's some of those?
	What's some of those?
	Some of the neonatal, were they actually banned?
	I noticed they weren't around.
	There was a few of them.
	Okay, and some of those people were banned, and the reason they were banned is because they weren't expressing their legitimate ideas.
	These were accounts that were created and were attempting to parody the types of things that someone like King of Kings would say in an attempt, but they were going beyond the things that he would say.
	I forget they were attacking some user for being Jewish in a really horrible way.
	I don't remember what it was.
	I don't commit some of this stuff to memory.
	But those accounts were obviously created in order to try and manipulate a situation.
	And the people using those accounts were not expressing their actual thoughts.
	They were just attempting to, again, manipulate a situation.
	So.
	Yes, you got the impression that they were kind of kids, you know, they were sort of Reddit sort of types, and they were all just sort of feeding off each other.
	And it was getting a bit silly, and you could tell that something was going to get canned sooner or later.
	Well, throughout that entire thing, I probably banned a total of three user accounts.
	So.
	Whatever, it didn't require much input on my behalf.
	I mean, in the past, I know that every so often that you get this sort of influx of you that pop on and say, you know, introduce, would you like to come, would you like to give you a link to a turnaround documentary on Nazis?
	This is one of their gambits.
	They do like to go on about revisionist history and everything.
	And I sort of got involved in these sort of discussions in the past, but in the end, they just get a bit boring, so I just sort of leave them alone.
	I'm not someone who does.
	I'm usually in favor of free speech and just letting people show how stupid they are, really.
	I've never really think about it this way.
	Is it really a threatening event to encounter someone who believes the Holocaust is a lie?
	I mean, I find that concept so absurd that I don't even view it as a threatening expression in any way.
	It's like if someone went around warning people that, hey, you better watch out because there are magenta elephants with peg legs that are attacking people all over town.
	You'd be like, get the hell out of here.
	Whatever.
	Well, you're a Mormon.
	You've been all the neosporan and aniseetics.
	You don't know what's going to happen in the world.
	Because, I mean, it is illegal in Germany, isn't it?
	And I suppose you can kind of see the logic there, even if you don't really agree with it.
	But I think, yes, as a rule, it's best to just let people...
	I think King of Kings was a bit of a lightning rod.
	You could tell that he was a sort of a...
	He's one of those people who could never quite...
	You always get the impression he was somebody that never got out very often and was just constantly looking through stuff and providing reasons why he never left the house.
	He used to be very frightened of the outside world, but whether any of this was actually true or not.
	But, yes, he was.
	I was always sort of, I mean, I wish that, I mean, I'll put it this way.
	There are times when King of Kings will say something and I'll agree with it.
	And that's unfortunate because he has so many opinions that are just, in my opinion, those of on the level of an amoeba.
	I mean, they are just not even worthy of the text that they're taking up on my screen.
	And it's just the juxtaposition of those two things.
	On the one hand, he occasionally says things that cause me to say to myself, he seems rather intelligent and he's correct in what he's saying here.
	This is a really good point he just made here.
	It's too bad he's effectively a goddamn Nazi.
	Or at the very least, a goddamn Nazi sympathizer, at the very least.
	That's how I interpret this ghost.
	It's very easy to be that sort of type on the internet, isn't it?
	They sort of throw out a few things, and if they get a reaction, it makes them all the more enthusiastic to carry on that kind of thing.
	But yes, he's certainly the major one that you'd see, and then other people would follow on after him.
	It was.
	The evidence of the Holocaust is so irrefutable.
	It is so abundant.
	It is so available to anybody and everybody who is willing to analyze that evidence or give it any amount of objective time.
	And that's why I don't feel like the expression of those views is a threat.
	Because I view it as such an absurdity that it's not something I am worried about people viewing with credibility.
	Do you think that they were real posters or they were government shills?
	i know that a lot of conspiracy the uh the guys that you banned that were over the no they were other bell gab users who were creating those accounts in order to go over a line and cause me to ban all of the people that they would have preferred be banned I mean, it was obvious what they were doing.
	It was somebody who wanted King of Kings banned.
	It was somebody who wanted that Mike, whatever the hell, banned.
	He's another one of those guys.
	Miku Singh.
	What?
	Miku Singh 01.
	Is he one that's on the anime?
	Yeah, that guy.
	That one.
	Oh, he's been banned, has he?
	Yeah, he was.
	I've been.
	Oh, he's still there, is he?
	No, he's still there, but these additional accounts that were being created were an attempt to push things past some sort of precipice that would cause me to say, okay, fuck it all, and just ban all these people.
	Oh, I see.
	Oh, that's it.
	I just feel like if you are a free-thinking person and if you are adult enough to understand the world you're living in,
	you will understand that a script that is on the internet open for participation by anybody and everybody who chooses to participate, you're going to encounter a wide array of horrible people who think idiotic things.
	I mean, you can find, for example, you can find individual Holocaust museums that have tens of thousands of filmed accounts from people who experienced the Holocaust.
	Individual human beings giving, in many cases, hours-long accounts of what it is they experienced in the Holocaust.
	Individual museums have ten, like, they have repositories, digital repositories of tens of thousands of human accounts of what occurred and how people were victimized in the Holocaust.
	And so I do not view somebody like King of Kings or Mike, whatever the hell his name is, as a threat.
	And I'm sorry that people who do view those people as a threat have so little faith in the broader capability of humanity to sort out idiocy from reality, retardation from sanity.
	It's always the one thing they never seem to figure out is that the one sort of group of people that weren't Holocaust deniers were the Nazis themselves at the time.
	They didn't deny it at all.
	They were quite proud of everything they did.
	You're in Berkeletrials, they were very clear about everything they did.
	And it's only later on that the neo-Nazis seemed to want to convince you that this is all a fake.
	So they've never really been able to answer why the Nazis themselves never actually denied any of it.
	But yeah, there's no getting through to them.
	I'll just carry on the same old stuff.
	So the only main objection I have is just boring to read, but you've got the choice of not reading it, haven't you?
	That's exactly the point.
	I mean, when I see a wall of text from King of Kings explaining how it is that we should all come to the conclusion the Holocaust never happened or why it was a scam, those people all died of typhus.
	Yes, that's right, yeah.
	I mean, when I see that, I just scroll these, scroll these, scroll.
	I mean, it's just, okay, whatever.
	I do not have time to read what it is that you're selling here.
	And I wish more people had that attitude because in order to address those types of messages, those types of ideas on the forum the way some people seem to want me to, it's going to require a fundamentally radical shift in how the forum is run.
	And you're not going to like the forum anymore after that happens.
	Because if it's no longer allowed that somebody use the word Zionist, okay, well then what other trigger words are no longer allowed?
	And who makes the determination as to whether the context in which a word is used is appropriate or not?
	I mean, these are things that really we could just ask ourselves, would Belgab be better off with a board of moderators all looking around like hammers ready to strike a nail?
	Or is it better off if people just stay out of everybody's way?
	I prefer the latter.
	I believe the latter is better.
	Well, that's what works because the other type of websites eventually lose their traffic because it just gets so boring.
	Of course, there's one sort of thing about this.
	If people didn't like posters in the past, they could use the ignore feature, but that's not on there anymore, is there?
	So was that a reason for that?
	it's not on there anymore was it just well because i felt like it was being abused And what I mean by that is people would ignore other users and then go into the forum and publicly announce to everybody with glee that they've now interviewed this or ignored this user or ignored that user, and then they don't even have to see the response of that user.
	I mean, that to me is equally as problematic as you having to read posts from somebody you don't like, or at least having to scroll past posts from somebody you don't like.
	I just felt like, man, that is lame city to go out on the forum and announce to everybody, oh, hey, here's who I'm ignoring.
	And oddly enough, Jackstar is one of the most upset people over the fact that the ignore feature is no longer available, which is the height of irony considering he was the forum's most ignored user.
	I believe that.
	Yes, yes, that's right.
	There was a guy that was posting on the Salke, and I can't remember his name.
	Oh, was it Military?
	Curandero?
	Yes, Corandaro.
	I had him on Ignore, and I never put anybody on Ignore because I feel like, oh, get over yourself, just scroll.
	But I was like, I cannot.
	I just, I can't.
	And I actually used the ignore feature of him.
	I don't know, was he banned or did he just go away on his own?
	I wish you could see some of the emails that individual, Quaderno, however the hell you say it, sent me.
	Absolute psychopath.
	If you guys could understand, I mean, there really are a lot of people out there who think they understand all the workings of what's happening behind the scenes.
	I mean, they think they know what I deleted or what I didn't delete.
	They don't know shit.
	They think, I mean, there's a broader context to things that go on behind the scenes that nobody knows but me and the person that I had to deal with or whatever it is I had to delete or whatever.
	But everybody thinks that because not everybody, but a lot of people think, a lot of people who give me problems think that because they read Bellgab, they know what I did and they know what I deleted and what I didn't delete or why I did this or why I did that.
	I mean, it's really usually a lot more complicated, the decisions that get made than people think it is.
	There was a point, wasn't there, when people were getting irate about being informed of being sent emails, notifications, which they could quite easily sort out on the, you know, not being sent, but they would send you these outraged emails and you'd post them, wouldn't you?
	You just get sick of them.
	And that sort of made me realize, good God, he's getting some really weird stuff being said to me.
	What is the matter with some of these people?
	Why do they write things?
	There's obviously other things that are going on in their life.
	You're the target for some of this stuff, which has absolutely nothing to do with you.
	why do people get so bothered about being sent a notification which you can just quite easily, I mean if you're being sent an email you could just select, you know, put it as stab or something It would just disappear.
	Why would somebody waste their time writing a furious email about something so trivial?
	I mean, it just – how many sort of emails do you get sort of belga-related from people per day?
	Do you get?
	Is there a sort of typical email load you get?
	Probably on average, maybe two or three a day.
	Two or three a day.
	And are they usually unwelcome?
	They're not just usually taking you to task for something.
	I wouldn't characterize it as me being taken to task, but I would say that perhaps 30% of the time it's somebody complaining about something.
	Somebody who wants something rectified.
	Somebody who knows better than I do how things ought to be run.
	Probably 30% of the time.
	And it's just like, well, you know, we've been here for coming up on nine years now.
	A forum about a show that really doesn't exist.
	A forum about a show that hasn't even been hosted by the guy who hosted the show.
	With the exception of, I guess, what, about the equivalent of a seven-month period of time.
	For the entire almost nine years of Bellgab's existence, Art Bell has only been hosting a show of some sort for about the sum total of seven months of that time.
	But the forum has managed to exist in spite of that.
	And I think it might mean that something's being done right.
	I don't know.
	That's just me.
	Perhaps.
	Will you ever consider changing the name of the forum?
	Is it just so sort of post-modern now being called Belgab about something, you know, about a forum of reason to change it?
	Although there isn't a good reason to have it, you know, as it is, there just isn't a particularly good reason to actually change the name, is there?
	Otherwise, it'd be just something generic and boring, at least sort of Bellgab.
	It's just, I don't know, it's just a little bit of a reason to change the name.
	It's sort of like the sci-fi channel or even the history channel or so many other channels or AE or they started off doing one thing and then it morphed into something else, but they kept the name.
	I like the name Bellgab.
	I mean, whether it relates to art or not.
	And Bellgab doesn't have a history with art.
	Feel that a lot of the when he came back, a lot of that was because of the Bellgab people, because if he didn't have Bellgab support, i'm not sure how much he would have done for himself, because he seemed to rely a lot on on Belgab.
	I don't care, I don't care what, I don't care what anybody thinks about this opinion.
	It is my opinion that if Bellgab hadn't existed, Art Bell would never have come back to radio.
	That's what I was saying.
	Well, i'm agreeing with you entirely.
	I'm just being very direct about it.
	I oh yeah yeah, because on his own he wouldn't have done it.
	He was obviously on, you know, retired and bored and and looking through people, sort of saying all you know, all these admiring um remarks about him and um, I mean, even now people are still commenting, will he come, you know, will he do a, a show sort of every once in a while and things like that.
	But I mean, if he's as ill as as he says he is, I mean I really can't see that as any possibility at all.
	If you've got copd, I mean that's, that's a chronic illness.
	It's not something you can just um get better from, but um, even so it's, you know that people will still.
	People will still talk about him.
	But um, oh yeah, there's no doubt that that that's um, it must be in Bellgab that that brought him back.
	I mean, as well as a certain annoyance with with Nori wanting to, wanting to show him.
	That's probably why he he um, came back so hard and and then realized that he'd bitten off too much and um, you know, and then, and then thought twice about it.
	That's probably the reason.
	But um, rather than just doing a once or twice weekly podcast, which has probably been the the right thing to do, and um, you know, he could have um made it last a lot longer.
	But um yes i'm, i'm sure.
	I mean, he still pops back occasionally.
	He doesn't need to make us all feel.
	Um, I think it's been a while, hasn't?
	It's gotten pneumonia?
	I don't think he's posted.
	He's posted a couple times on facebook, but I haven't seen him in Belgab lately.
	Yes, I mean, i'd be surprised if he didn't completely.
	He probably still reads.
	I mean, i'm sure there's a lot of people who don't post, but they still read what's going on.
	And um, he's probably, he's probably one of the he calls anywhere else than his own thread, so i'm sure he only ever reads repeat that you said something anywhere else what he he only ever contributes.
	He contributed to his own um thread and he never actually went anywhere else, did he?
	So i'm sure he only ever reads, or read his own um what.
	What people were talking about him?
	I don't think he was particularly bothered, I don't think he was much.
	I think he was involved very much in the Falkey thread, was he, for example, anything like that?
	But um, it was all sort of just ending art related stuff.
	So um yes, it was.
	Uh, you know, i'm glad you mentioned the Falkey thread, and through the prism of talking about a forum, about art bell, because this is a great example of what separates Bellgab and how it's run from a lot of other forums.
	Do you think there's any possibility at all ever anywhere in this universe, be it this dimension or another, that a Falkey Falkey thread would be typically allowed to exist on a forum that's about a nationally syndicated radio host?
	a forum on which that host actually posts.
	There would be no, because every natural instinct of every forum is to button things down.
	That guy actually posts here.
	Do you think Art Bell needs to come to this forum, Belgab, that's named after him and see a Falkey thread?
	That is the natural instinct of just about every forum out there.
	And I think the Falkey thread is a great example of just how Belgab is allowed to evolve in a Petri dish as it chooses to evolve largely.
	Yes, I suppose it's a good analogy, actually, because Falke is sort of like a fungus, isn't he?
	I mean, he just grows and grows that thread.
	And there's just something he'll never stop.
	The parodies on the Falkey thread were some of the funniest things I have ever read.
	I mean, some of the parodies and the Photoshops and everything that are done.
	You know, some of the funniest parodies were written by Bart L.
	Yes, and you know what?
	And this is a great example of a regret that I have because my philosophy on running the forum used to be different.
	There's like Art Bell quitting Midnight in the Desert is to my running of the forum as 9-11 is to our running of this country.
	My philosophy, it's like when you think of 9-11, you have this pre-9-11 mindset and a post-9-11 mindset.
	You know, it's just everything has a certain filter on it.
	That was such a seminal event in human history to me, to my way of seeing the world, that there's just a certain filter.
	I see everything pre-9-11 and post-9-11 through almost.
	It's an unconscious thing in many cases, but it still is a lens through which I see things.
	And it's analogous to Art quitting Midnight in the Desert.
	When he quit, and I kind of said this to him when he was on the Gabcast, I knew what was coming.
	I mean, when Art Bell quit that show, I knew what was coming.
	And I said to myself, if I don't just draw a line in the sand and say, I'm stepping out of the way unless people post something illegal, then I'm going to get sucked into some sort of a wormhole that I'm really going to regret getting sucked into here.
	Because once you start saying to yourself, I'm going to regulate people saying this about Art Bell.
	I'm going to regulate people saying that about Art Bell.
	I'm going to regulate this opinion about Art Bell's departure being expressed.
	You're not allowed to say Art Bell lied.
	You're not allowed to say anything about Art Bell's personal life that he might.
	You're not allowed to mention Art Bell's other kids.
	I mean, where does that end?
	And for the people who left Bellgab because they were upset that people were allowed to be mean to Art Bell, I'm glad you left.
	I'm glad you're gone.
	Good.
	Goodbye.
	Separation of the wheat from the chaff.
	I'm glad you left because your philosophy on how things ought to be run would far more readily, far more reliably represent the death of that forum than people being allowed to express unsavory thoughts about Art Bell.
	Actually, the people trashing Art Bell was so interesting to read.
	Like when you have that popcorn gift, I would just read through it and the people fighting amongst themselves.
	It was really fascinating.
	And one thing about The whole subject, you know, the explosion of negativity after art left.
	Well, one thing was people will say, oh, it was such a nice forum a couple of years back, but when he went back to readers, somebody did.
	It wasn't.
	It wasn't after he left Dark Matter.
	It was toxic, the things people saying were at least as bad as they were later on after he left Midnight in the desert.
	But even if you go back prior to that, before he even began hosting Dark Matter, if you go back, like, my God, if you go back to 2009, the horror of some of the things you would see, the forum has always been a bunch of degenerates sitting around saying horrible things.
	That's what Belgab has always been.
	Back to when it was Coast Gab, back to when it was GeorgeNorrySucks.com prior to that.
	It's always been a focal point of unfortunate human expression.
	We'll put it that way.
	But it is, I hate that phrase, but it is what it is.
	I mean, it's just that's why it still exists because nobody stepped in to impede that.
	Nobody stepped in to limit that.
	And it's unfortunate that you're going to see things on there that you disagree with.
	But my pre-Art Bell departure mindset and my post-Art Bell departure mindset very strongly, very significantly affected my philosophy on how the forum ought to be run.
	And prior to that, I mean, you could be banned arbitrarily.
	I mean, there's no committee to make these decisions.
	I mean, if you were just following me around the forum bothering me, I could just say, you know what, I've really, I'm tired of this guy.
	And just, why do I have to deal with this?
	And I would ban somebody.
	That is an impossibility now.
	I can't begin to tell you how unaffected I would be by somebody following me around saying nasty things to me.
	It has literally, I couldn't be less interested.
	But unfortunately, there was a time when I was less of that mindset.
	And we were discussing the parody posts in the Falke thread and Bart L. There was some point in history, I don't know why.
	Who knows?
	I can't even begin to keep up.
	For whatever reason, Bart L decided he doesn't like me and began following me around the forum and just arguing.
	Everything I would say, he would just follow me around and argue with it.
	You know, just disagreement for the sake of disagreeing.
	At least that was my perception of it.
	I may have perceived entirely incorrectly.
	I don't know.
	But that's neither here nor there.
	The point is that I just got fed up with it and I was like, you know what?
	Get lost, dude.
	I'm tired of you.
	And I banned him.
	And I really regret that because he really brought a lot of comedic genius to the forum in numerous regards.
	And he really has not, he's been unbanned for a long time, but he hasn't posted with any regularity since.
	And I don't blame him, but I do regret that.
	And I do wish that he would start posting regularly again.
	I felt like he really was funny.
	I mean, those parodies, if you go find Bart L's user account and just view his posts, you're really going to see some funny stuff.
	So maybe he'll hear this and realize, hey, I really do regret that.
	And maybe he'll start posting again.
	I don't know.
	When I had started reading the Falkey thread from page one, I never made it through the whole way, but I maybe read 10 pages.
	But anyway, I knew that.
	Wow, you're a trooper, huh?
	Yeah, I know how to hang in there.
	But one of the things that kept me reading was that Bart L was so hysterically funny.
	There was one time when he was, whatever it was that Senda said happened to him that day, Bart L would say the same things happened to him.
	And it was just so funny.
	He was probably the, I mean, there's a lot of funny people on there, but he was probably the funniest.
	I do hope he comes back.
	A Bart L would fit into the Bell Gab of 2016 far better than he fit into the one of pre-Art Bell quitting.
	So maybe he'll come back, who knows?
	But yes, that event did change my philosophy immensely because I said to myself, I know what's coming.
	Art Bell better know what's coming.
	And I am not going to step in to stop it.
	I didn't create the situation.
	I have no control over the situation.
	I am not an insider with that organization.
	I have no control over how things are communicated to the public.
	And when Art quit, the way he communicated that to the public was atrocious.
	And that in itself, the way he chose to communicate that he was quitting, what was it, just like a couple hours before the show?
	And it was in a way that made it certain he was done for good.
	And then he started a few days or a few weeks later walking that back.
	And it's just like, who has the time to step in and mop all of that mess up?
	I know I don't.
	And when he quit, I knew what was coming, and I just said it to myself: I am going to make a conscious effort not to delete anything unless it's illegal from here on.
	And that will be the way I can say that I'm being fair in how I handle things and what it is that I allow to be said about Art Bell because, hey, I'm not deleting anything unless it's illegal.
	Let me take a call.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello?
	Hey.
	Who is this?
	Sally.
	Hello?
	Who's this?
	Go ahead.
	You're on the air.
	Go ahead.
	On the airware.
	I was calling Gabcast.
	Yeah, you're on the Gabcast.
	I'm saying you're on the air.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I didn't turn down my radio.
	Oh, my.
	Go ahead.
	Is this MV?
	It is.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, this is Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost.
	Hey, buddy.
	How you doing?
	Good.
	I just wanted to call in and say hey to SV and ID and GS.
	And I also wanted to talk about what you were saying about the, you know, running the site and censorship versus free expression.
	And I have to say, I'm with you about 99% of the time on that.
	I think you do a great job.
	And I'm not a forum person either.
	But when I found Bell Gab, it was like, wow, there's some very interesting and talented people here.
	And so I stick around.
	And my only issue is more aesthetic than censorship.
	It's, you know, like back when the little Stormfront guys were kind of swarming around.
	You know, it just didn't look good when you signed in and saw the whole list of recent posts being, you know, weird Nazi stuff.
	And, you know, that was my main concern about all that.
	I would agree entirely with everything you said.
	It didn't look good.
	I don't want to log in and see anybody expressing those viewpoints.
	I find it unfortunate that people think that way.
	Yeah, but I mean, I don't blame you for doing it.
	And I, you know, like I say, I agree with your, you know, wanting to let people say what they want as much as possible.
	And, you know, but I think also from an aesthetic standpoint from people that, you know, coming in for the first time, you know, if somebody wants to start a, you know, oh, the Holocaust never happened thread, discuss, you know, fine, and then say whatever you want.
	But, you know, when there's like lurid headlines about, you know, immigrants raping people and, you know, this and that, then, you know, that just kind of takes away from, you know, the sort of what I like to think of Dull Gab as being.
	Well, I'm not sure I understand the immigrants raping people reference.
	I mean, if that is an event that occurs, I don't see why it's not.
	I don't see why it's off the shelf as a topic of discussion.
	Well, it's like, you know, just like in bold, you know, like all bold-faced and caps.
	And, you know, just, you know, just to make a different fonts when they're doing it.
	That's what I'm trying to say here.
	But no, I'm just saying I'm all for free discussion, but when people are just deliberately being provocative and trying to get, you know, like put out shocking thread topics and filling the recent post list with them, you know, that just gives a bad impression.
	It does.
	I agree.
	I agree completely.
	That does give a bad impression.
	That's my only objection to anything.
	Other than that, I'm totally for the free exchange of ideas, no matter how much you might disagree with them.
	Well, I do appreciate what you've said in this call, but I'm a little bit upset that I didn't get that final 1% with you.
	So go to hell, buddy!
	Yeah, well, fuck you too.
	All right.
	I'm pretty sure you had a conversation with Euthanych.
	Fuck him.
	I did.
	I got really testy with him because he was one of these people that came in and said that these ideas that are being expressed by these animals on the forum, the fact that those ideas are being allowed to remain reflects on me.
	And so that set me off because that is exactly.
	Okay, well, Edvie, I didn't mean that it reflected on your values by any means.
	I meant it reflected badly on the image of Belgab.
	And I certainly did not mean it personally in any way whatsoever.
	Well, I apologize for the reaction I had to you.
	If somebody uses profanity in responding to you, there's a good chance that their response wasn't entirely rational, and mine may not have been.
	I don't even remember what I said.
	I was just angry.
	Yeah, no, but I could see where you could have misunderstood it, and that's totally cool.
	And it's water under the bridge.
	But that was just, I didn't, you know, certainly didn't mean to say you were approving their message.
	It was just like, you know, their message, you know, in the context of a thread devoted to that topic is one thing, but to put blaring, start threads with, you know, all caps and everything and provocative subject titles.
	And, you know, that just doesn't look good for Belgab.
	That's all I meant.
	I agree with you entirely that it does not look good for Belgab.
	I don't disagree with that for a moment.
	I guess I'm just saying there's a point where, yeah, maybe it's censorship, but you've got to protect your brand.
	Well, see, that's where I part ways with you.
	I agree that it doesn't look good for Bellgab, but I'm not sure that's the standard by which it's determined if something should be removed from the forum or not.
	Yeah, well, I guess you already addressed it by getting rid of all those little guys.
	Those people weren't even real Nazis.
	They were like people creating accounts pretending to be.
	Oh, I know.
	They're living in their parents' basements and whatever.
	But yeah, but I mean, you got rid of them.
	So, okay, you know what?
	I'll tell you what.
	I'll give you that extra, that last 1%.
	I'm with you.
	I'm over the top.
	Over the top.
	Oh, you're on the board.
	You were over the top.
	I still feel like there's a lack of completion there.
	I'm sorry, I just, I need something more than that final 1%.
	If you could send me a sham wow or something, I don't know.
	How about, I don't know, like, meet at a motel for Super Aid in Springfield, Illinois, and see what happens from there.
	Will you be wearing pants?
	That's going to be the determining factor as to whether I come.
	That depends.
	But I'll buy breakfast at Cracker Barrel if I'm satisfied.
	Are you a grower or a shower?
	I need to know the answers to these questions before.
	God, I don't know what that means, and I'm old.
	You're not a size queen, right?
	I won't even waste my time coming if you are.
	Size queen?
	Oh, hell no.
	Okay.
	It would be futile on my part even to show up if I learned that you were one.
	Thank you for calling.
	That was Robert Ghostwolf's ghost calling in tonight.
	I'm actually glad he called in because I don't remember ever having a single negative interaction with him prior to that event.
	He's a major trouble.
	He's a major troublemaker, though.
	He described me as being like Christopher Hitchens with Tourette's the other day.
	So I was hoping you'd get into an argument and ban him or something.
	I was very disappointed it ended in hugs like that.
	I would find that to be so complimentary if somebody called me Christopher Hitchens with a insert the noun, you know, or insert the condition, whatever it is.
	Christopher Hitchens with a tire swing attached to his shoulder.
	Whatever.
	I don't know.
	I would be like, well, thank you.
	That's wonderful.
	Yes, he's a good friend of mine.
	He came up with that the other day.
	Oh, yeah, but he's a bust, but he loved coming up with that comment about me.
	But yeah, he's one of the good guys as well on there.
	Actually, it's the first time I've actually heard his voice.
	I don't know.
	Sometimes you look at it, you sort of just read a post and you get an idea of what they're like.
	But we're not heading for, wow, he's really old, isn't he?
	He's not so much an elder statement.
	He's just sort of elderly.
	And so anyway, I've got to get my mind back off the main things you said about me.
	I have some words to say in response, no doubt.
	What did he say that we were going to get into a fight and get him back or something?
	Yes, he's always good for a memorable phrase.
	But yes, yes, I do like Ghostworld's ghost.
	I think this is a good point to move on to another section of Chevy's notes.
	He says, huge political thread traffic.
	Is Bellgab a good venue for political talk?
	I think it is, but the problem is it has caused, I'm sure, numerous people to begin disliking one another where they otherwise would never have had any cause to view one another negatively.
	That's why I stay off the politics thread.
	There are plenty of people who I'm sure hate me because of my expressed political views.
	And I think I who otherwise would have no problem with me whatsoever.
	But you just, I don't know, you have to view other people as more than their political opinions.
	That's how I see life.
	I think one of the big differences actually between here and over there is it's very much more polarized in America with people's views.
	I mean, over here, people have their different ideas and things, but over there, it's much, you know, you're one of those or you're one of those.
	Never the brains shall meet.
	So you get into this squabbling which never really leads anywhere.
	And that's what you read on the politics.
	I mean, occasionally somebody will come up with something you haven't seen a dozen times before, but not very often.
	And that's the problem with policy.
	I mean, it's the same over here, but when it comes to sort of saying the same things, but just over there, it's much more entrenched.
	And you'd use words that are liberal in a way which we wouldn't over here.
	We wouldn't sort of go on about people being liberal, being sort of socially liberal.
	People have moved past that here.
	That's fallen away.
	The use of the word liberal in that country.
	Yeah, that's gone away.
	What would they use now?
	They would say progressives or leftists or SJWs, you know, social justice.
	But you very rare, I mean, when I hear somebody call people liberals, that just, okay, you know what, you just took me back to 1994.
	Way to go, buddy.
	You know, it's just, but I think people only started feeling the aged nature of that word recently.
	I mean, I'd say it only, it was only maybe three or four years ago.
	I'd say that the McCain, actually, I'd say the McCain candidacy of 2008 is where the use of the word liberal began to just feel monotonous.
	It felt meaningless.
	It felt just it felt like use of that word indicated a lack of depth in somebody's thought processes.
	Yes, because over here, when you say, you tend to think, you know, classical liberalism, sort of free market, that sort of thing, which was where liberal, the term liberal would have started.
	So, you know, we've sort of probably used more of that sort of socialist, you know, we wouldn't, we don't mind, people don't mind calling themselves socialists over here.
	We're over there, it's much more, well, I suppose Bernie Sanders' disease is not quite so charged, but.
	But yes, so that's interesting about liberal.
	I did notice actually talking about sort of the classic leftists or those young Turks which you put in your avatar, you know, that encounter with Alex Jones, which is pretty hilarious.
	It's very rare that Alex Jones comes out actually looking better, you know, from an exchange coming up against that lot.
	It was very difficult to, you know, he did go away looking actually quite reasonably sane compared to those people.
	I view people like the Young Turks and Alex Jones as opposite ends of a spectrum.
	I mean, they are bookends on either side of a spectrum of insanity.
	I think both both ends may have gone into that whole arena of discussing politics with the thought that they were going to make they were going to help people.
	They were going to, you know, I'm going to fact check what the other side says and I'm going to educate the people that listen to me.
	And I think they had maybe goodness in their heart when they started, but after a while, I feel everybody just becomes a whore to the money that they get successful.
	Their show gets picked up somewhere.
	And then it's more about the us versus them platform.
	It doesn't even matter anymore what your message is or how much it helps people or how much you educate them.
	Maybe that's just my point of view.
	Aren't the young Turks isn't that young?
	The name associated with the people who engaged in the Armenian genocide?
	Well, it's going back to Ataturk, isn't it?
	When they sort of democratized the end of the Ottoman Empire, I suppose.
	But yes, they're not sort of the middle-aged Turks they are these days, I suppose.
	I mean, there's the sort of Jenk Uga is that is the main one.
	I've heard him described as looking like a brown Hulk, I've heard him described as.
	And yeah, and he's the sort of the incarnation of the sort of most irritating sort of left-wing types that you could possibly get.
	So I think in a way, I think that channel is funded by Al Jazeera, aren't they?
	And they certainly come across as very but how much of their message is pure?
	And that's asking the same thing about Alex Jones.
	How much of the message is actually them wanting to help people or to make a difference in the world?
	And how much of it now is it that, oh, I'm successful.
	This is my spiel.
	This is the persona I've created.
	And now I have to keep create sort of like politicians.
	I think maybe they want to make a difference in the beginning, but after a while, they just get so jaded and it's all about the money.
	And they don't give a crap about their constituents anymore.
	It's just like, I'm going to, this is a party line.
	I'm going to say it, and I'm just going to keep making money.
	And I feel like somebody like Alex Jones, isn't he like a millionaire?
	Didn't he have to give his ex-wife $10 million or if he's worth $10 million, something like that?
	He's got a lot of money.
	Yeah, I don't think that after a while, I think he cares more about the money and his lifestyle than about getting a certain message out.
	Or maybe I'm just very cynical.
	I don't take Alex Jones that seriously, and I also don't take somebody like the young Turks seriously.
	Exactly.
	They are extremes.
	They are polar extremes of a political spectrum.
	But it's a show, but I feel like it's a show.
	It's not sincere, is what I'm trying to say.
	I guess when they went into the world, I don't know.
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	I have no way to know.
	I think that they seem to me that they all believe what they're saying.
	Alex Jones seems like Alex Jones seems like he really believes it when he tells people they shouldn't get vaccines and that the government blew up the Twin Towers.
	And I think that the Young Turks believe everything they're saying when they absolutely refuse to ever level any criticism whatsoever at Islam.
	Yes, ancient with them, isn't it?
	There's always this false equivalency that they're like, you know, on the other hand, they'll say, well, yes, there's all these people being beheaded and so on and so forth.
	But I'll just point to something else which has absolutely nothing to do with it.
	And they'll just do this over and over again.
	And it's just so obvious.
	But yeah, you assume that they regard themselves.
	I mean, it's hard to imagine them deliberately sort of living a lie like that.
	I think actually they call this in psychologists that the moralization gap where people, even if they're really, I mean, somebody like Hitler would even think about what he was doing.
	He would sort of rationalize it in some way, saying that he would see it as doing the right thing, even though it's obviously not in the area of murders and people, they still think in terms of sort of reasoning things out.
	And I'm sure sort of something like Alex Jones, although he's lost whatever fire was in his belly as a young man, he probably still sees himself as doing a good job.
	But yeah, whenever you see watch him these days, it's constantly just flogging bit of supplements, isn't it, and stuff like that.
	I think of them as like being like Bill O'Reilly, who if you met him in real life, he's probably not like that, or at least not as much of a blowhard.
	But he has gotten into a career where he's now paid to be a character, to be Bill O'Reilly.
	You know what I mean?
	It's, I don't know.
	I don't think I'm expressing myself well.
	I just feel like you start out being somebody and then you become a character of yourself, but you have to keep being that caricature because that is what's making the money for you.
	That's what's giving you fame.
	If you write a book, that's what's going to get your book bought, not what you wrote in the book, but because you're Bill O'Reilly.
	I have a Bill O'Reilly book, not because I felt he was saying anything intelligent necessarily, but because I was like, oh, wow, it's Bill O'Reilly.
	So I got the book.
	My problem with Bill O'Reilly, I think, is that he seems like an authoritarian.
	He seems like somebody who does not take dissent well.
	He doesn't, he has a hard time accepting the idea that some people don't see the world the way he does.
	And he seems personally offended that anybody would come on his show and disagree with him.
	I saw this 16-year-old kid on O'Reilly's show who, on the show, on television, informed Bill that he was incorrect about what a speaker, a guest speaker at a high school had said to the students.
	Bill O'Reilly was accusing the speaker of encouraging students in a high school to engage in sexual activity or to use drugs, I think it was.
	And there were two teenagers on the show, two boys, two 16-year-olds, one of whom agreed with Bill that, ah, yes, what this man said to the students was the most egregious thing our virgin ears had ever heard.
	And the other 16-year-old was saying, no, Bill, what you're saying, the speaker said, he didn't say at all.
	You're wrong in what it is you're accusing him of having said.
	And he had papers in his lap, and he right away, everything Bill O'Reilly tried to suggest that the speaker said, this kid had just sheets of paper in his lap right away.
	He could refute it.
	It was actually quite impressive.
	And O'Reilly became so incensed that had the segment not just ended as a result of time constraints, I'm entirely convinced O'Reilly would have just kicked this kid off the show because he so effectively demonstrated Bill to be wrong.
	But Bill is absolutely incapable of saying, you know what, you have presented me with something that seems to indicate I may be wrong in what I'm asserting here.
	But no, he can't do that.
	Bill O'Reilly is incapable of doing that.
	He sets his mind on a viewpoint and then from that point forward just decides he's going to go full steam ahead and ram it down everybody's throat.
	And he seems just like such a miserable man.
	I used to like Bill O'Reilly, but you'd have to go back about 12, 13 years to find a point in time in which I could tell you, yeah, I like Bill O'Reilly.
	It's been a while.
	What ear is that famous clip where he's reading the news in some local market and he's freaking out because of the audio cues not working for you?
	Side Edition.
	That was... Mid-80s, was that it?
	Later.
	Late 80s, I'd say.
	Maybe even early 90s, but probably late 80s.
	He looks pretty young there.
	But can you imagine having to work with a guy like that day after day?
	Can you imagine a guy like that being your boss?
	Somewhere in some horrible country, there is an entire family who can't get clean water.
	But Bill O'Reilly's upset because the text isn't right on the teleprompter.
	throwing a fit i mean it's like take a moment and absorb the actual importance of whatever your problem is at that moment dude Calm down.
	You're in front of all these people making a acting like a monkey.
	You seem just crazy.
	You're a crazy man.
	What are you doing?
	Just stop it.
	How can someone be that self-unaware to act that way in a room full of people staring at him with a camera pointed at him with what he's doing being recorded and committed to all of eternity?
	How can someone be that just that to me is not a stable, normal human personality?
	And I don't respect Bill O'Reilly.
	And I also don't respect his incessant moralizing when he himself has to get court orders putting the brakes on anybody talking about his sexual harassment lawsuits.
	I mean, there's a lot of information you don't even know about, that I don't even know about, that nobody knows about, pertaining to a sexual harassment lawsuit between Bill O'Reilly and a former employee.
	I think it was a producer.
	Because the court has not released that information.
	They've not made it public.
	But these things happened.
	And Bill O'Reilly has some kind of a moral license, some sort of a moral pedestal to stand on when it comes to getting on TV every night and telling everybody what's right and what's wrong.
	I mean, if you're going to do that, then, hey, you've chosen to be in the public eye.
	Let's go ahead and be open and forthright about what it is that you engaged in.
	I mean, if you're going to complain every night about the moral decline of America, it seems like perhaps you should be open about various aspects of your life that could be possibly compared to this moral decline you're constantly complaining about.
	I just don't like Bill O'Reilly.
	I don't find him to be a particularly respectable guy.
	He's divorced now.
	Is he on Fox News?
	I can never Roger Ailes.
	Not anymore.
	Isn't it?
	No, that's probably he's got into trouble, hasn't he?
	In a similar way.
	Can you imagine being a hot, beautiful, leggy blonde with large breasts working in a tower in New York City?
	You've got a job that is really considered one of the pinnacles of your chosen profession.
	And in order to work there, you have to put up with this bloated pustule coming up trying to get you to fuck him.
	Roger Ailes.
	Ugh.
	Go look at pictures of Roger Ailes.
	Tell me you could imagine being sexually harassed by that.
	I don't think anybody could imagine.
	He's just a sort of a more successful falkey, isn't he?
	When you look at him, I mean, they're pretty much very similar.
	But yeah, I mean, and the stuff that we hear, it's just the stuff that leaks.
	Now, I'm sure there's a hell of a lot more that people are just protected about their jobs and everything.
	They just keep quiet.
	So, I mean, sure, most of this just gets swept under the carpet.
	People say, well, don't make a fuss or your life's going to be ruined.
	The handful of people who really do take it to the next level, I mean, they'd be pretty brave to, you know, they must know that everything's going to be thrown at them.
	Their reputations are going to be shredded, even if they're totally right.
	These people will take no they will do what they can to totally discredit them.
	So, yeah, I'm sure it's just the tip of the iceberg with what goes on.
	To the caller, to the caller that's holding, I'm sorry, I totally forgot you were there.
	Go ahead.
	How's it going?
	Hey, Sheffist, I'm sorry I let you sit there for so long.
	I just forgot you were there.
	No.
	No, I think it was a great show tonight.
	But it's certainly got off to interesting stuff.
	Hi, I have a question.
	I have a question.
	Do any of you all think that maybe Norrie is so stupid he doesn't realize that Heather is redacted?
	I wondered that.
	Surely somebody has contacted him and informed him of this and reminded him of how she talked to him on the Gabcast.
	I can't imagine that nobody has said that to him.
	We exchange private messages on Bell Dap, believe it or not.
	And Nori?
	Yeah, so what George told me is real simple.
	He just thinks his fan base wants to have an Art Bell update.
	Interesting because Nori never even mentioned Art Bell's name when Art Bell came back.
	And when people would call and say something about Art Bell, they would get cut off.
	But now Nori wants to discuss Art Bell.
	Yeah, no, I think he wants to do it just kind of as a surprise.
	You know, I think things are out there.
	Art's not in good health.
	You know, and he's going to do it that way.
	Awkward.
	Can you believe that Schmuck Norrie, like I feel like he's winning?
	Like, a few years ago.
	He's not winning.
	He's won.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he's got good health and art doesn't.
	He's got a show and Art doesn't.
	There are about 20 other ways you could quantify the fact that he's won.
	Yeah, correct.
	And, you know, he just, and I think when we get it to just a smart move because he can say, hey, remember Art Bell who started this show or whatever?
	Well, you know, we've heard he's sick and then he's got this other show out there and then he's whatever.
	They're on here to talk about art.
	You know, it's just mini.
	Yeah.
	For good or bad, but that's the way it is.
	He didn't have to win.
	I mean, it would have been so easy to defeat him.
	At the time Art left, he was up to over 50 foliates.
	Yep.
	And growing.
	Had this thing carried on for, I think, maybe another two years, I think that he would have represented a real threat to Costa Coast A.
	To that property.
	But at the same time, I think that it was a mistake choosing somebody as producer who was familiar with his previous work.
	I think that his producer should have been someone who was less than familiar with what he had done in the past.
	Because by choosing someone who knew what he had done in the past, who was a longtime fan, going back pretty much to the beginning of any national awareness of Art Bell, I felt like the guests that were chosen for the show really didn't make the show particularly interesting.
	I felt like there were a lot of really interesting directions the show could have gone in, particularly given the times we live in, particularly given the way things have changed from 1998 until now.
	And because the guests were being chosen through the prism of are they Art Belly or not?
	Is this an Art Bellish guest?
	I felt like that was kind of a mistake.
	And I felt like that was one of the things that hurt the show.
	That's not a reflection on Heather at all.
	It would have been the case.
	I think it would have been a mistake were it anybody, any one of us, anyone who was a long-term fan of Art Bell and intimately familiar with what he had done in the past, I think that it was a bad choice.
	But do you think there's absolutely no relation to the producer wanting to be the show host at all?
	I don't understand the question.
	Okay, you're the producer.
	You want to produce the show.
	Are you looking at taking over the show at any opportunity you have?
	Well, I mean, if I'm the producer for a radio show, me personally, and the host says, do you want to do the show?
	Okay, I'm going to do the show.
	Right.
	Now, as to whether it's a mistake for me to do so or not, that's an entirely different question.
	And I don't know.
	I mean, I think that the show should have been called something else.
	I think it should have used, it should have just been called something else.
	It should no longer have been called Midnight Order.
	I think Art was trying to pick up where he left off in the 90s, and I think a lot of people were looking to him to do that, to recreate that magic.
	But he needed to re-invent himself, and he didn't.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, I think you're right.
	I think he did try to pick up where he left off.
	But everybody is so different now, and a million people have pointed out how it's so easy to Google a guest and find out that they don't have the credentials that they're saying or whatnot.
	Right.
	Like in 1994 or 95, I could be listening to Art Bell.
	Like today, if you hear a guest, as you say, you've got this device in your pocket that gives you immediate access to the sum total of human knowledge going back to the beginning of human civilization.
	And in 1994 or 1995, you hear something like that on the radio that you want to know more about, or somebody on the radio that you want to know more about.
	You reach into your pocket, what do you find?
	A cotton ball and a nail.
	I mean, these were very different times.
	Well, I might be able to learn something about this guy with my nail if I ah, fuck it.
	I can't.
	No, I'm not going to be able to figure anything out.
	Maybe he's telling the truth.
	I'll just hold on and hope for the best.
	This Ed Dames sounds like he really knows his stuff.
	I'm going to tune in and sit down.
	That is an impossibility in 2016.
	I mean, you can easily go online and in detail, in very specific, voluminous detail, apprise yourself of every grievance anybody has ever had with Ed Dames ever.
	That is information accessibility on a level that was incomprehensible to any one of us in 1995.
	Where does that leave us, though?
	In terms of the whole genre of paranormal talk and radio and whatever, all those, there's like, almost seems like dozens and dozens of shows on sci-fi and all those networks, even on cable TV.
	You know, where does that leave us with finding interesting, weird things to talk about?
	Are we jaded?
	We're just jaded.
	You know, it's all a bunch of bullshit.
	It's just entertainment, but we allow ourselves to, you know, do.
	It's not even entertaining because if you go back to 1995, the entertainment you extracted from all of that was derived from the fact that there was a kernel of possibility in most of the bullshit you were hearing people say on the radio.
	But that kernel of possibility has in so many instances been removed that we now just assume everything to be bullshit until proven otherwise.
	We are so cynical.
	And at a certain point in our prior history, things had to be almost proven wrong as opposed to needing to be proved right as is the case today.
	Yeah, but it was more fun to believe in the extravagant than to live in the dull nature of reality.
	And in some ways, in the old ways, you know, it was more fun.
	And some could say, well, that's mythology, right?
	It was Greek mythology.
	Well, maybe people actually believed that shit back in the day.
	But, you know, you look at it, you're like, it's kind of interesting, but it's just a story of what's real.
	Is the Bible real?
	Is that just a story?
	Maybe it's a story.
	And then you just see humans creating all these stories, maybe based in reality, but maybe based in just a perception of something that happened.
	And then here we are, right?
	Are you just happy, you know, understanding the alphabet and human language?
	And, you know, you don't, you know, what makes you interested day in and day out about what you learn new about your environment.
	And that's a difficult concept.
	Especially if you're not scientific.
	If you're scientific, you can say, well, you know, I'm trying to do this thing and that thing, these experiments, and trying to learn things.
	But just say you're living your life and, you know, you're a hard worker.
	And, wow, you know what?
	I'm trying to unplug.
	And wow, I find this interesting topic over here.
	Well, is it religious?
	Is there a God?
	Is it an angel?
	Is it a devil?
	No, it's a UFO.
	It's an alien.
	Yeah.
	When do you draw the line between where you say, yeah, you know, it's just fun, fun type of mystery versus what I really believe to be true?
	As an aside, somebody sends me a Skype message to say that I have a wonderful singing voice.
	Let me give her some more.
	All eyes in jest.
	Still, the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.
	There you go.
	So, is that what you get when you get turbo mode?
	When you sign up for turbo mode, I will allow you three phone calls per month in which I will sing to you and you alone.
	$4.99 a minute and $1,900.
	Call MB.
	There is going to be a turbo mode, but I'm working out a couple of technical kinks because one of the features I want to give to people who sign up for Turbo Mode, I'm having some problems implementing it.
	You know, one of the things I'd like you to charge enough for it to where we could get an ad-free, ad-free version.
	Well, I think most people who are bothered by ads are using an ad blocker anyway.
	I like the ads.
	I think the ads do bring something to the table because it is always a bit of a hoot to see what the Google AdSense algorithm has determined you want to see.
	Well, there's one clothing store that they keep advertising, and I keep clicking on it because I like their dresses and their outfits.
	How can I tell them, though, that I already bought the damn kayak?
	You don't have to keep showing me the ads.
	The worst thing ever about automated internet advertising, I think, is this tendency for you to be presented with ads for things you've already bought.
	I mean, the system really is not very smart.
	I would say that if you were to go 50 years into the future and look at the history of internet advertising and its effectiveness, this would be definitely viewed as the infancy of that industry.
	I mean, there are so many fundamental flaws to the system.
	You'll go to your Gmail and send or receive a message that causes you to see ads for black dongs, and it's like, oh, I already got three of those.
	Why do you think I need to buy more black dongs?
	Because I'm showing people pictures of my black dong collection via email.
	Suddenly, Google thinks that I need to buy more.
	No, you should be presenting me with dongs of other colors.
	Perhaps I need a purple dong.
	I don't know.
	It's not a very smart system.
	If you want to be on the show, the number to call 573-837-4948.
	Yeah, I wish more people would call.
	People complain that when you put out the gap test, it's always the same people.
	It's not always the same people, first of all.
	I purposely have sat out since January because I wanted to give other people a chance.
	But then when you volunteer, then it's like, oh, it's the same people.
	So call, call in.
	I mean, if you don't get a chance to volunteer, at least call in.
	SV called, was it Red?
	Red and Mike from End of Days.
	And he was like a co-host.
	He was on, what, like an hour, SV?
	A couple of hours, I think he was.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, I mean, that would be the perfect time to call the people who feel that they didn't get a chance to come on this time.
	So going back to Chefists.
	Why can't I say it's almost like I'm saying Chevitz.
	Going back to Chefist's show notes, Heather going on coast to coast to talk about art.
	Good idea or not?
	What do you guys think?
	I'm not moved either way.
	I don't listen to her show.
	Nor am I.
	I don't listen to Coach to Coast, so I really don't care.
	Nor do I. You know, you talk about where's the genre today.
	I can't at all be bothered to listen to any show hosted by anybody if the show considers itself a paranormal show.
	I am so not interested.
	There's certainly been a very distinct change in the attitude towards Heather in the last sort of few months, isn't it?
	From being supportive in difficult circumstances.
	People don't seem to have much time for it either way, do they?
	I mean, yeah, in a way, she's put in a difficult position, but I don't think she's getting any better at doing what she's doing.
	She's just basically ill-matched.
	She's the wrong bit for that kind of thing.
	I mean, not everybody is good at that kind of thing.
	I mean, very few people are good at that kind of thing.
	And really Art was probably the only one that really was distinguished at that kind of radio.
	So, yeah, I don't understand why she's going on there and what she has to offer, really.
	It's a puzzle.
	So we'll find out in due course.
	Well, and when I say that I'm totally unambiguously uninterested or disinterested in listening to a so-called paranormal talk show, I don't mean that to come across as any sort of a direct reflection on Heather or characterization of the job I think she's doing.
	That's gotten, for me, that's got nothing to do with it.
	I just, I mean, Art being on Midnight in the Desert, I probably heard four of those shows.
	Can you believe that?
	Well, I didn't listen to that many after a while.
	It certainly tapered off.
	So it's, yeah, it's just finding the right, even when you've got.
	I mean, I only listened to them.
	I didn't listen to them live because they went out so late.
	But even sort of punk art podcasts, it's just getting around to listening to them.
	So, no, I can sort of understand.
	I think a lot of them I would listen to the first hour or so and then think I'd get back to listening to them later.
	And I never did.
	Hey, Gravity Sucks.
	Could you move to a location that doesn't sound like you're standing on the production floor of a factory?
	Oh, my son has his two huge dogs and they're fighting, trying to tire themselves out before they get to sleep.
	Well, let's consider euthanasia.
	I think that this is the appropriate response to this situation.
	I'm not, yeah, I'm with you and glorious bitch.
	I'm not, I really don't have an opinion one way or the other about how they're going on coast to coast AM.
	It doesn't move me in any way.
	Is George Norrie sincere in his effort, Chefist asks.
	I think probably, I guess.
	Who cares?
	I don't think Norrie and Sincerity really coexist very happily together.
	You just never get the impression that he really means very much of what he is.
	He has that kind of slithery, oily charm, which convinces some people.
	I like him.
	I like George.
	And I haven't told anybody this, but George's granddaughter goes to school here at Simo.
	And that's not information that wasn't previously.
	It's Southeast Missouri State University.
	Around here call it Seamo for SE Missouri.
	But he sent me a message and said, Hey, I'm going to be one of these days.
	I'm going to be in Cape to see my grand, Cape Girardeau, to see my granddaughter.
	So let's get together and go have some drinks or whatever.
	I would totally go have drinks with George.
	Are you the one who's having dinner with him next month?
	No, I saw that on.
	I don't know who that is.
	Chefist has an entry on the notes here that says a certain Bell Gab member will be having a private dinner with George Norrie in the next month.
	Details to come.
	I have no clue who that I haven't heard from George about that since I responded and said, yeah, sure.
	I'd love to go chew the fat.
	So you're very pro Nori.
	I'm not pro-Nori necessarily.
	I just don't want his kidneys to fail, perhaps, over how he hosts Coast to Coast AM.
	I couldn't be more indifferent to his approach to hosting that show now.
	When I started the forum back in April of 2008, I was angry.
	I actively felt anger in my heart.
	And this was after, I mean, when Nori started hosting the show, I gave him about two years of pretty regular listenership until I just couldn't do it any longer.
	And that's when the anger just began progressively, incrementally welling up within me.
	But I've gone through so many phases in terms of my perception of all of that that I can't even begin to be bothered with feeling angry over it anymore.
	I haven't even read the George Norrie sucks thread on Bell Gab.
	I don't remember when the last time was.
	I have no idea.
	I couldn't be less invested in it, emotionally or otherwise.
	No, I've never understood that.
	I mean, I just don't listen to him.
	It just doesn't bother me one way or the other.
	But I know some people...
	I know there's one person here who absolutely hates him.
	It just considers him the worst of the worst.
	But with me, I just think, oh, I just, you know, he's not a very good host.
	And that's it.
	I just won't bother listening to him.
	But yeah, there's still the glee that some people have.
	I mean, why people listen to the show just to point out how bad it is?
	I've just never understood that at all.
	I used to listen if there was a guest that was going to, let's say, I stopped listening to hosts if I saw, for example, a James Van Praqu whom I love.
	If he was going to be a little bit more.
	You still love that guy?
	I still do.
	Even now.
	Even now, all these years.
	You talk to this woman in private, Sredney?
	You spend time with her?
	Well, she likes David Icke as well, for goodness sake.
	Who's better, David Ecke or this other character?
	What other character?
	Well, James, I don't even know.
	James Van Traum.
	Yeah, he's a psychic.
	I like them both.
	Yeah.
	I would listen for the guests.
	I would listen and I would hold my nose while I listen.
	So then I would make a comment like, oh, wow, he really, you know, shit the bed the other night in that interview.
	He should have asked this, this, and this.
	But I feel like a lot of people stop listening to Nori, but they would listen for a particular guest or for a genre that they liked.
	Like, for example, the EVP people, whether it was the original people or not.
	You know, it's just interesting.
	So, you know, that's my response to when people say, well, why do you listen then if you don't like him?
	It's, well, I'm not listening for him.
	I'm listening because somebody is going to be on the show that I like, and I want to hear that, or there's going to be an interesting topic, and that's what I'm listening for, despite Nori.
	Okay, and we got your story straight then, haven't you?
	Yeah.
	But yeah, I mean, you you really do dislike Nori, though, don't you?
	You find him very distasteful.
	You'll never get over what he's done to Art's legacy and everything.
	You really don't like all of that.
	No, I'll never get over what Art did to Art's legacy.
	That's exactly the point I was going to make in making my emotional transition from the way I have transitioned, ladies and gentlemen.
	I'm transit.
	Hi, I'm transitioning.
	I'm Michael Van Dieven.
	No, my emotional transition that I've made has in many ways been affected by things Art himself has said and done or revealed.
	For instance, when I found out that the reason Art left Clear Channel or Premier Radio Networks was because he was upset that they I don't understand real when it was on the first broadcast of Dark Matter he built it up that he was going to reveal some of the real reasoning behind his departure from Coast to Coast AM.
	And it turned out to be something like really inconsequential, it felt to me.
	It was like, well, really?
	All of that for that?
	He did not feel that Premier had his back when Art was going through what he was going through with his son.
	In what way, though?
	I mean, in that they didn't pay for his legal representation?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yeah, that's exactly what I thought.
	That was weird when I heard that.
	I thought, well, this is your...
	Why would they pay for...
	I mean, I suppose that if they wanted to protect the talent or whatever, they could do it if they wanted to, but they're not obliged to do something like that.
	It seemed weird.
	It seemed to be sort of costicated attitude to think that the company would pay for someone's legal fee for something which was completely unconnected.
	And it was for him to sue somebody in a civil action, was it not?
	Yes.
	He wanted them to pay for him to sue somebody in a civil case.
	I mean, that would be, I would think, extremely unusual for any corporate entity to do.
	Well, actually, if I remember correctly, I think Art said that somebody else that worked for Premier had gotten Premier to pay for his lawyers with whatever his situation was.
	So when it happened to Art, Art felt like, okay, it's my turn to get my stuff paid for.
	And Premier didn't have his back.
	It just seems like it's hard for me to imagine any thinking, smart corporate interest wanting to step in and pay the legal fees for their employees to sue private citizens who say nasty things about them in public.
	Because that's, I mean, what a horrible precedent.
	I mean, what a potentially expensive precedent for that corporate enterprise.
	Anytime, particularly a corporate enterprise whose bread and butter is broadcasting.
	So we've got all these employees who are famous or quasi-famous.
	We have to step in every time one of these employees of ours is slandered or libeled or otherwise treated unjustly somewhere out there on some shortwave station in Nashville or wherever the hell that place that station was located.
	I mean, it just, and when I found out that that was why, and I'm pretty sure, I could be wrong.
	I'm pretty sure it was the civil case that Art pursued either against David John Oates or was his name, I think he's dead now, but he was a retired, or he was a former FBI agent who was going around saying bad things about art.
	And I think he was the guy who said whatever it was that was said on that shortwave station in Tennessee that precipitated a lot of this.
	I was never really clear on all that history and what happened, actually.
	And with whom it happened.
	It's always got a thing of overreacting.
	I mean, he did that when he quit the show the last time.
	Instead of just letting people say their piece and then it would just die, he would react and it would just stir things.
	I think it's the same with those court cases.
	If you just let these things go, they would just die away.
	And then, of course, when you start throwing lawyers' letters around and everything, then it just make people more aware of it, doesn't it?
	It just gives it more publicity.
	Exactly.
	He's his own worst enemy with this sort of stuff.
	And yeah, when you say reacting to people, to posters who are just being mischievous and trying to get a reaction, he should have just stopped reading everything and just let it go.
	It would have been so much easier.
	But yeah, I mean, he's his own worst enemy.
	And yes, that strange first show when he came back to Dark Mash, it was as though he'd been stewing on this for far too long.
	And you always get the impression that he doesn't really have close friends if he ever has.
	And he lives in his own head a lot.
	And all these things weigh on him much more than they ought to.
	And he gets antagonisms with people and things like that.
	And yes, he's just one of those very sort of odd people.
	He's terrific on the air and everything.
	But at the same time, he's an odd character and difficult to deal with, I imagine.
	And yeah, I'm sure he doesn't have anyone around him that can sort of talk to him and keep him on the straight narrow.
	I mean, there's people who speculate that Ramona did that, that she was the one person who kept him.
	That's when he was his most successful and she kept him on an even keel.
	But when she died, he lost that sort of part of him that kept his nuttier side in check.
	And I think there's a lot of that with Art.
	He is his own worst enemy in lots of ways, I think.
	And now that as we look back at Art leaving Coast to Coast AM and you hear what Art said with regard to why he left Premier Radio Network, I feel like if you're a sane person, your anger toward George kind of has to be mitigated a little bit by that revelation that Art left because they didn't pay his legal fees or they didn't provide him legal representation or whatever it was.
	I think to myself, that's why he left.
	And I can't be as angry at George once this is learned.
	I feel like, okay, that wasn't really a proper reason to leave something so big that in many ways was so much bigger than yourself.
	And it's because of that decision to leave, which again, I think was not very firmly rooted, that we ended up becoming even aware that George Norrie existed.
	So that totally tempers my negativity toward George.
	I mean, he's a guy that was offered a job.
	He accepted the job and he's doing it.
	And apparently his bosses are happy.
	Fine.
	You know what?
	Godspeed.
	Looks like we've gone through the show notes.
	We've done pretty much what you could say was a three-hour show here.
	I think this may be one of the longest gabcasts ever.
	Even with the Skype problems, I was so nervous, Envy, that you were going to fall asleep, and then I was so nervous that I wasn't going to be able to work Skype.
	Well, I'm sorry that's how you see me.
	I'm sorry you see me as being that unreliable, that irresponsible.
	Well, you did say it in the middle of that adolescent.
	That's true.
	That is true.
	And then we were like, oh my God, oh my God, it's almost 10 o'clock.
	Did he fall asleep again?
	No, I was just late, but then once I got in there and started testing everything out, nothing was working right, which is okay, you know, really.
	I mean, this is a podcast.
	Most people, the overwhelming majority of people, are going to hear the recorded version of this show, not the live version.
	And so what's really important is not that we keep our promises and start the show on time.
	It's just that what's important is that we have an audience there while we're doing the show, period.
	Yeah.
	Full stop.
	Because that affects the feel and the flow and just the approach by which the show is done.
	Yes, I was going to say it's 1.22 here, but for SV, it's what?
	162 in the morning?
	22 in the morning in England.
	What a true person.
	It's Taylor.
	No, I'm not younger than I'm just.
	Actually, I put my hand up because I thought this show was starting at midnight my time.
	It was only when I looked later.
	It was, oh my God, it starts at 3 in the morning.
	Bloody hell.
	I thought, oh, well, I can't back out now.
	I wanted to start the show with my impression of SV because he likes to go, no.
	And he can do a good impression of me.
	Do it.
	Do it.
	Hello.
	Hi, guys.
	Hello.
	Hi guys.
	Because he likes to comment on when I call him to end of days.
	Yeah, she harasses those people.
	But this is a charming impression that you like to do.
	I have a question for Ibby.
	Okay, hold on.
	Okay, go ahead and ask your question.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, how come they call it the Bronx and they don't call it the Manhattan or the Staten Island?
	Or the Queens?
	I don't know.
	Or the Queens.
	I don't know.
	I've always thought that about the Crimea, the Ukraine.
	What are you people putting the in front of it for?
	The Donald.
	Yeah, that's another one.
	Where did that come from?
	The Lebanon.
	That's what Ivanka used to call him.
	The Donald.
	We have a caller.
	Go ahead, caller.
	I'm sorry.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	What about the Congo?
	Yeah, that's another one.
	The Congo.
	The Gambia.
	Is this Pate?
	No, it's Hogg from Canada.
	Hi, Hogg.
	Hello.
	Peace, Hogg.
	I just wanted to say hi and getting in before the end of the show here.
	And it was a great show tonight.
	I'm glad I got it.
	I like the way you lock out your posts.
	Peace, Hogg.
	I consider that a real solid lockout.
	So I just want to commend you for that.
	Okay.
	Well, it was nice to finally talk to you guys.
	Yeah, you too.
	Thank you.
	Thanks for calling.
	Have a good night, everyone.
	You too.
	See you later.
	That's Hogg from Bell Gab.
	And that's going to pretty much do it, I guess.
	I want to thank all of you for co-hosting.
	I think this was a really good show in that a lot of things were discussed that regrettably weren't discussed sooner.
	You know, in previous Gabcasts, I know people have said, oh, I wish they would have talked about the Nazi people on the forum.
	Or, oh, I wish they would have talked about the ignore feature no longer being there.
	Oh, I wish they would have.
	We got around to a lot of those loose ends that required tying tonight, and I think it was a good show overall, in part because of that.
	So thanks to you guys for co-hosting tonight.
	It's wonderful that you were here.
	And thanks to everybody who listened live.
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	We'll see you later.
	And as promised, I'll play a little bit of Thin Lizzie for you, some of my favorite Lizzie tunes here.
	Have a good night.

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