26 June, 2016 - Give Me Back My Brexit
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Give Me Back My Brexit! To put it plainly: Noory isn't such a bad guy, Jimmy Church still has a booth by the bathroom at Contact in the Desert and episode co-host Michael, from End of Days Radio, doesn't hate Art Bell (even if being on this episode is career suicide). BellGabbers Inglorious Bitch, NAKASHI, SredniVashtar and Chefist call in. SV shares that he is a closet fan of Oasis and explains what Brexit means for the United Kingdom and RED's 401k. Look for Michael's dating profile on ParanormalDate.com if you are ready to have a paranormal good time. Chefist sets the listeners straight on the happenings at BellGab.
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I am Red, aka the Mud King, aka Curtis.
With me is Michael, aka username, and also host of the wildly popular End of Days Radio.
How are you doing, Michael?
I'm doing fantastic.
Awesome.
Let me do some quick housekeeping before I forget here.
The phone number is different for tonight's episode.
It is actually going to be 317-708-4500.
You can also hit us up on Skype at live show99.
There's a space between live show and 99.
We're having some technical difficulties with Stream and Skype, so we're just going to roll with my connection for tonight.
So with that out of the way, how are you doing?
And what do you want to talk about?
Oh, there's plenty of things to talk about.
But before I even get into that, welcome to a brand new life, to a brand new day, from all the way from the wastelands of California in the desolate land of El Centro.
My name is Michael, and I'm not a right-wing wacko or a convicted felon.
And I just want to say thank you for allowing me to be here tonight with you.
I'm a big fan of yours.
Well, it's nice to know there's at least one person on that list of fan.
I've loved listening to your show too and calling in.
You've had some really good hosts, or sorry, hosts.
You're obviously a really good host, you and Daniel, but you've had some really good guests too.
And I've loved calling in and asking them questions they didn't expect.
Oh, I love sharing the stage with you there on our show.
It's been fun, and I'm sure plenty of people are probably wondering why I'm here.
Well, I like the Gabcast.
Longtime fan of it, and also a longtime fan of art.
So I thank you for allowing me here to hang out with you, just like I said.
And I also want to thank MV for allowing me here tonight as well.
It's very awesome.
And I really like the Gabcast.
What was that?
So, you know, it's launched many careers, so that this might be that point.
Yes, it has.
How are you doing, by the way?
I am great.
I kind of mentioned last night I'm worn out.
My son had his ninth birthday party yesterday, and I ran around with a bunch of kids all day in a bouncy house.
So I'm feeling it today.
I'm realizing that I'm older than I thought I was.
So if I just pass out, keep going.
Just step over my body.
I'll keep trying to run with the program here.
So I'm glad I'm thanking everyone out there for allowing me here and inviting me here.
I know everyone out there can co-host one of these things, but I like to be proper.
I like to be given an invitation, a formal invitation.
And I was glad to be the one to say, hey, you need to do this.
Join me.
Yeah.
And oh my, it's kind of shocking to be here.
Very shocking to be here.
I'm kind of stunned.
I've been a long time lurker of Bell Gab, and I signed up, and I believe I registered around 2013.
That would put you before the return, the big return of art.
Definitely.
Yeah, right before art.
Right before he got in here.
And a lot of people out there think that I'm not a big fan of art, of art bells, and that's ridiculous.
I'm a huge fan of arts.
I've always been a big fan of arts.
And there's lots of interviews that he did throughout the years that just stick out to me just like just like I'm sure for you, plenty of interviews out there that he's done throughout the years that you've loved.
Of course, the John Lear interviews.
He's been on coast with art for a number of times.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, and I think I might get a chance to talk to him on our show on End of Days Radio.
Oh, John Lear's going to be on?
Yeah, I believe so.
Yeah, that should be fun.
Are there any shows that stick out to you by any chance?
I'd say my favorite shows were always the open lines where you would get some of the crazy callers.
But interview-wise, I liked Bill Burns.
I always enjoyed hearing his stories because he knows so much history on top of just the UFO part that he's clearly knowledgeable on.
And anything time travel, that those would be my favorite episodes.
Throwing a little bit of Dr. Doom in there, too.
Oh, of course.
Do you remember exactly why you got into Art Show?
Yeah, actually, I would listen to it while I was working.
I found him way later than everybody else.
Like, he had been kind of through those prime years of the early days and the 90s, and I missed that part of it.
While being a paranormal fan, I just didn't know that he was on the air.
Once I finally heard him, though, I just became obsessive about wanting to hear everything I could.
And, of course, there were a lot of shout cast streams that were playing episodes of his and repeats.
So I would just listen to those all day while I was working and became a huge fan of him from there.
And it's nice to like before binge watching of TV shows was out there, I binge or listened to Art Bell.
Very nice.
I actually didn't get to listen to Art Live until around the early 2000s.
I missed all the great 90s show because of a show called Loveline.
And I'm pretty sure you're familiar with that, right?
Oh, yeah, that's with Dr. Drew and Adam Corolla.
Yeah, Adam Corolla.
Okay, that's what I thought.
And that was before they changed drastically.
That seems to happen.
These people will change throughout the years.
And it's kind of embarrassing now for me to admit that that was the show that got me interested in wanting to do my own program.
Nice.
Sorry about that.
I got distracted there for a second.
But yeah, that's kind of a funny path to get to art.
Well, specifically, it's a caller-driven show.
And I really like the callers.
That's what made the program fun for me.
I loved all those interactions.
And that's what drew me in.
And that's what got me interested in wanting to do my own show.
And later on, I discovered art.
And I still do remember the very first Art Bell show I did listen to.
And that was with Dr. Albert Taylor.
And of course, that was an older show from 1999.
And I happen to have him on End of Days Radio as well.
That's awesome.
Yeah, I really love Dr. Albert Taylor.
And he's someone who I got to call up again and bring him back on.
Yeah, I would love to hear from those guests that have been on so many times what it was like for them, how they interacted with art off the air and were first contacted.
I'm guessing probably Ramona was the person who spoke to that at the time.
I should probably ask Albert next time I talk to him if he could tell us some stuff about art, if it's cool with him.
Yeah.
Maybe reveal some things, reveal some things.
Yeah, let us behind the curtain.
Yeah, maybe not way too personal there.
That would be fun.
Would love that.
And of course, I have to bring up JC.
Yes, always a classic.
Oh, my goodness.
Hours of entertainment just by that man.
And is it true that there was a different JC in the later years?
It wasn't the original guy.
I've heard that because there was a little bit of difference and nuance to his voice and really playing up, I think, to the JC character versus the early calls.
On the other podcast that I used to do called The Bell Files, where I did up until last week, we actually got called by what I would consider the newer JC.
Really?
Yeah, it was really fun because he gets on the line and sounds just like him.
I mean, he does a great job of it.
And then I start to question him on things and try to get into an argument with him just for the fun of it.
And he hangs up.
But if you go back and listen, I think we clipped that somewhere on YouTube.
But yeah, I think that there was a little bit of a difference to JC in the later years.
Did you feel like he was a character?
Or do you think there really is a JC out there?
I'm pretty sure he was living up that gimmick.
I would too if I were him.
Yeah, he was playing it up.
I don't think that was a serious caller, but what I liked was there was one program where Art let him take calls.
Right.
That was good.
That was.
I would have liked that like a monthly thing.
Did he do that a couple times?
There's been several times, yeah.
Yeah, I thought he did that a few times with JC.
Great stuff.
And of course, we can't forget about the legendary ex-Area 51 employee.
How can we not bring that up?
That's one of those calls where even if it's fake, it still was, it made the hair stand up on end for me.
It was still damn good, even if it was fake, yeah.
Yeah, like I would like to think if there was going to be a whistleblown on his show that it would play out exactly like it did with that caller.
Because that was where they lost Earthwalk, right, with the satellite, too.
So everything about that was perfect.
By the way, we talked off air about another interview Art did with David Icke, and that was great.
During the beginning of the program, he had asked David if the kids ever made fun of him because of his last name, if they were asking him if his, if any, if Art was asking him if anyone was calling him David Icky.
Yeah.
That is just kind of funny, even though it was, it's not, it wasn't, I'm sure Art wasn't trying to joke around or anything, but I thought that was, I couldn't stop laughing when he told him that.
That is funny because can you imagine going up to him and asking that question?
Art can do it very comfortably, but would you ask him about how he'd been picked on as a kid?
Yeah, I don't think I could ask him that.
Yeah.
That'd be too weird.
I'm sure he would probably get angry at me.
Yeah, that's why I think that Art comes to it with a little bit of credibility on a different level than you or I could to ask him to not have David Icke hang up on this.
Of course.
There's been so many great shows he's done in the past.
And I must say, there's been some, there's been some pretty unbelievable stories as well.
Bigfoot in the freezer.
Yes.
Well, it's still entertaining.
And I'm always going to be a fan through the thick and thin.
I was going to say something, but I probably shouldn't say that.
This is the right show to say that thing that you shouldn't say.
Feel free.
It's the gap cast.
For sure.
I just don't want to hurt any feelings tonight.
But I do want to say another thing.
And this might upset a few people.
And I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way.
We all hope Art returns.
And one thing I do want to see is Art host Coast to Coast AM again.
Just one last night.
That's all.
So he can go quietly into the night and everything ends well.
I would love that to be Art's final show.
It seems like all of Art's last show, all of those last renditions of his show, it just always made me feel like he wants to go back on Coast ultimately.
You know, I hadn't really thought about that, but that's a great point.
That would be an awesome way to end things for him.
The last time Art did host Coast, it was for Ghost to Coast, Ghost to Ghost AM and 2010, I think it was.
He had the infamous GIS.
You're right.
You know what?
I'm sorry.
I got to step away for just a moment because my daughter's sick and I just got a text that isn't it fun.
This is live podcasting.
If you want to just take the reins for a moment, I'll be right back.
Uh-oh, here we go.
It's all yours.
It's all mine.
Well, it seems like I'll be taking over for a moment here, ladies and gentlemen.
Well, Curtis goes and attends to his child.
And I'm not sure if the chat room knows this, but we're just flowing here.
There's really no script.
There's nothing to be read here.
We are live.
This is a very live show.
And I think someone's oh, that's not for me.
That was not a question for me, so I'm not going to answer that one.
And Sheffist, you're in the chat room.
I'm seeing everyone in here.
There's Daniel's in the chat room.
I'm seeing Nancy Burns is in the chat room.
Seeing anyone else fight?
Oh, the peeve is in here.
Wow.
Walks at night is in here.
I'm so glad all of you guys are in here.
Very, very cool.
Hello.
Hello, everyone out there in the chat room.
I'm glad you guys are here.
This is a very, very special edition of the Gapcast, and I'm very thankful to be here.
I was talking a little bit about how some people were saying that I don't like Art Bell.
And I think that's nonsense.
Huge fan of the great Art Bell.
And there's lots of people that were very, very angry with me that I talked so highly of George Norrie back on the special Contact in the Desert review by Yorkshire here.
I remember last night there was some strange caller who was very mad.
Very mad.
He kept calling in repeatedly throughout the night.
He was so pissed off, folks.
He kept calling and calling.
And I wasn't trying to answer that.
I had a feeling this guy was up to no good.
And that was right.
I was right.
He was up to no good.
He was very angry at me for praising George Norrie.
But here's the thing, folks.
No matter how you feel about Mr. Nori, you have to give him a little bit of respect.
Just a tiny bit.
This isn't exactly easy to do.
There's lots of people out there who have a show, have a podcast, whatever you want to call it.
And George Norrie is a lot better than a lot of these other shows you hear out there.
Let's be honest.
He's still 10 times better than most people out there.
And oh, I'm getting a message here from, I believe, our hero, Curtis.
Oh, there you are, Curtis.
Yeah, I'm back.
My daughter has asthma and was having a problem.
So my wife has it all under control now.
How's that for craziness during a live broadcast?
You know, it's going to happen.
I was just telling everyone how some people were very angry at me for praising George Norrie at Contact in the Desert.
And of course, last night some guy kept calling in repeatedly.
And I had a sense that this guy was kind of up to no good.
And so finally I did answer that call and he was pissed.
He buried Norrie and he was upset at me.
And that's just one of a few private messages.
Well, aside from private message, that was just one phone call.
But I got multiple private messages that night about George Nori.
People were pissed off.
Yeah, you know, I heard you say there just a moment ago.
What's with the hate?
I don't get it.
Yeah, I mean, I understand people.
The caller said he was the enemy.
How the hell is George Norrie the enemy?
Give me a break.
Well, it's funny to me because when you look at it, Coast to Coast AM, like obviously I'm an Art Bell fan.
I don't think I've ever hidden that.
And George Norrie will never be Art Bell.
No, of course not.
And that's not a bad thing or a good thing.
He's trying to do something different.
And he was getting on on Heather about her doing her own thing.
Well, Norrie's doing his own thing.
That's a good point.
That's what I was going to say is that Norrie's there every night doing what he's supposed to.
I mean, does he do the same level of show prep?
No, but is his show popular?
Yes.
Exactly.
And I was saying he's still a lot better than a lot of shows out there.
Right.
You got to admit, you got to give him some credit and a little bit of respect.
The guy is still a lot better than, I would say, 80% of podcasts out there.
And if you want to disagree with what Michael said there, call the show at 317-708-4500.
You can also Skype in at live show space99 on Skype.
And yeah, I mean, when you look at what's out there for people talking paranormal, it's a genre that has definitely jumped into the TV and movie area more than radio, which is where it really had its roots were there.
So there's not a lot of people who are sticking with the radio format.
Obviously, George wants to be on TV too.
He's got his TV shows and the stuff he does.
But he still comes in every night when he's scheduled and does a show and takes calls and finds guests.
And so are there areas he can improve?
Yes, but there's areas where we all can improve.
Sure.
And all the time that I have interacted with him, which is very limited, but when I have, he seems like a nice enough dude.
I mean, he's called into the podcast MV and I've done together.
And he let us ask any questions we wanted to, took calls from callers.
I mean, what else are you going to ask for him?
Oh, sorry.
Sorry to cut you off there.
Go ahead.
No problem.
Going back to what you had said before I walked away about art being on coast, is that really blasphemous for him to do?
He created the show.
I mean, come on.
Why not?
Why not?
One last show.
I think he would love it.
I know he wants to get back at it.
You know, deep down inside, I'm sure he wants to return on terrestrial radio.
Well, that's the good question.
Does he?
Yeah, deep down inside.
I think he does.
Yeah, he had a chance to really push that, though.
I mean, that's the thing that is so frustrating because Midnight in the Desert was getting the bass started.
And you had a lot of fans calling a lot of terrestrial radio stations.
And he really seemed to shy away from that.
I do agree that to go back to coast would be the right place to do it because he has a big audience.
I think art wants to know that he has an audience listening to him, and it's got to be big or else it's not worth it.
Correct.
And he would retire doing the show he created.
What a better way.
Yeah.
What a better way to end it.
I always mess this guy's screen name up, Hotex in the chat room, or Hotex.
However you say that, dude, you should call in and let me know if I'm wrong.
Says he's never been a fan of corporate flunkies and equates George to that.
And I'm only going to give you a little bit of space on that one to say that, yes, he's a corporate guy, but that's the reason why he's been able to keep the job for as long as he has.
If he wasn't a corporate guy, would there be a Coast to Coast AM at this point?
10 years.
It's a long time.
Haunted Texan.
So that's what his screen name stands for.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I'm looking at that now.
And I believe I'm seeing Daniel saying something about being accused of us being a Satanist.
Yeah, tell us more.
I think we've been accused about being Satanist and being a part of the Illuminati and doing mind control experiments.
It's kind of silly.
You seem like you might be an Illuminati member.
I see where they're coming from with that.
Well, I kind of wish I was.
I would be making a lot more money than I am now.
Yeah, sign me up for that gig.
Where is the auditions to be a member of the Illuminati?
I'd like to know.
Yeah, how do I become one of those corporate-funded guys?
Yes.
Let me be honest with you, Curtis.
I would love to host Coast to Coast AM.
I would love to.
I should.
I think a lot of people out there would do the same thing.
And isn't it unusual that there was a lot of people out there that were offered the gig and they turned it down?
Yeah, and that doesn't.
I'm referring to Art's show.
Right.
Yeah, so why wouldn't you want to jump into an audience that's ready to listen to what you have to say?
That's what I'm wondering.
And I know someone like a Howard Hughes and a John B. Wells.
They were rumored to have been asked.
Well, I'm pretty sure Hughes was asked, but what about John B. Wells?
Do you know anything about that?
Do I have to call him up myself?
I think you need to call him up because, yeah, he would have been voice-wise and content-wise, would have been a great host for Midnight in the Desert.
And why not have a rotating group of hosts?
He could have done both shows, Caravan to Midnight and his, or and art show, rather.
What's your theory?
Why do you think someone would turn down a chance to become the protege to art?
Well, I understand someone that's probably already established and has their own listeners and all that, all that jazz.
But if you're not really established and you're not totally as big of a name as John B. Wells, I would say, why wouldn't you jump at an opportunity like that that presented itself?
Or if they're inviting you to take the chair, of course you're going to get hated.
Of course, you're not going to be Art Bell.
And of course, I also read something about that gig not really paying too much money.
But if you're good, the money will come.
Well, that's the key.
If you really care about what you're doing and you put a good product out every night, then it's just a matter of time.
Then you're going to see a return on that investment.
Yeah, eventually you're going to get offered some sort of gig somewhere.
Well, okay, so there's the question.
Is there a cap on being the host of Midnight in the Desert that really you have to jump to the next show?
You have to move up to Coast to Coast AM or some other sponsorship deal to be able to make real money from it.
Is Midnight in the Desert and like where Heather is right now, is she at the pinnacle of where it's going to be, or I guess not pinnacle, it's the wrong word to use.
Is it stagnant?
It's not going to go any farther.
This is really just going to be a jumping off point to the next thing.
It's very interesting.
I know we had this discussion off air as well about the future of that show and what's going to happen in a few years from now.
Is it still going to be around?
Yeah.
People at home listening right now, do you think it's going to be around, say, five years from now?
Yeah, that's over under on five years for that, if Midnight in the Desert or Dark Matter Digital Network will be around.
They really don't have any other live shows at this point, right?
Keith decided.
He took them off, yeah.
Yeah.
Which I think is a mistake, too.
If you really want to build up a network and get value out of it, live shows are the place to be.
Yeah, and he's, well, I'm not sure.
I can't really speak for him or criticize him too much.
But to me, it seems like they're not really pushing any other show.
Right.
Well, that's always been an issue with that to me, that art had such name value for all the shows that were on Dark Matter Digital Network.
Why didn't he jump in and weave himself through all those shows and build up a promotional base with all of them leading towards his return on Midnight in the Desert?
I felt like that was an opportunity lost right there.
Yeah, and he had so much power.
He could have just put over a couple shows and it would have built something a lot stronger than what it is today.
Oh, yeah.
Seem like a very strong network anymore.
Mr. Spock says he gives it 12 months or less.
12 months or less.
Yeah, I'd like to know what their listener base is, how many subscribers they have, too.
Me too.
I would like to know that because I know that show has picked up on smaller terrestrial networks and that's cool.
That's good.
But I'm wondering how long is that going to last?
Yeah, well, here's another question for you.
I'm obviously a fan of Heather.
I did the Gabcast with her for a while.
I listened to her on other podcasts with the general for his guitar podcast, Fret Files.
And she does a good job when she's behind the mic.
But do you see her having another position in radio or podcasting after this one?
Well, she was the producer at first.
So perhaps maybe she could get a gig being a producer somewhere.
I don't see why not.
Is she the next Tommy from Coast?
The next Tommy.
Tom Danheiser.
Yes.
It's funny you mention him because I actually emailed him a couple nights ago in regards to having an interview with George.
So tell us about that relationship because he's been the butt of many jokes throughout Bell Gab and Gabcast history.
What are your experiences with him?
With Tom?
Yeah.
Well, actually, I have never really had a face-to-face with him.
I was going to go up and talk to him a little bit, but he seemed a little tired and he seemed a little annoyed to be there, so I didn't want to bother him too much.
And I'm pretty sure if I would have taken a photo, actually, I did take a photo.
Never mind.
I did take a photo of him, but I didn't post it on Bell Gab.
Maybe I should.
Well, I think you should because I'm interested in the reaction you get.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know what?
After this, I'm going to post that photo of him just sitting down on stage because it's kind of funny.
He looks slightly happy, but slightly annoyed at the same time.
Well, think how many times has he been there and kind of done the same, you know, the same routine?
Yeah, the same song and dance.
And Norrie had mentioned when he was giving that speech there about how much time he spends with Tom.
So I'm pretty sure that's a pretty funny, funny relationship they have when no one's around.
I can only imagine the conversations those two have.
In the chat room, they're wanting you to spill the Hoagland gossip on Daniel says that Richard C. Hoagland made sure you guys would never be on DMN.
Do you want to spill the beans?
Oh, Richard Hoagland.
Yeah, he's kind of been sort of a thorn on our backside.
He, I believe, I believe he's one of the reasons why we were never on the dark matter fecal network.
Nice.
Yeah, I'm surprised that you guys weren't on there.
Well, we allegedly were going to be on there.
It seemed like the stars were aligning and Mr. Keith Rowland was going to have us on there and he kind of let us on slightly, saying if we fix this and that, then perhaps he would give us a shot.
And once we did fix those things, he said that we were boring and didn't listen to any, or he didn't listen to the guest we had on.
And that guest during that time was David Sarita.
So.
And yeah, I mean, you guys would have been perfectly fine to be on DM.
What'd you call it again?
Dark Matter Fecal Network?
Oh, the Dark Fecal Matter Network.
Okay, cool.
Okay.
Yeah, I think you guys would have been fine.
I mean, I listened.
I remember back when that was sort of playing out because I believe there were some posts on Bell Gab about that.
And yeah, I do love, like, because I've had conversations on the Gabcast, and I believe the spec sheet with Keith.
And he comes off, you know, as very comfortable on the radio, but how would he be in a night, you know, if he did a weekly show like you have done and me too, how well would he do and what would his level of production be for coming to you to say that you need to do certain things to get onto his network, which you're not going to get paid for.
So it's not like it's a paying gig.
No, you're not going to make a cent.
Right.
So to tell you that you need to do something to up your game.
I don't know why he could have just put us on at 2 a.m. like he does other shows that are horrible.
So I'm not sure why he couldn't just do that.
And all of this could have been avoided easily if he could have just manned up and said, I don't like your show and you're not going to be here.
Right.
He would have just said that.
It would have had all the respect in the world for him.
Instead of having months and months of email exchanges, and that sort of thing seems to happen when I'm in communication with different program directors out there.
They always want to alter this or alter that, change a time slot or tell us what we can and can't say.
And I know there's some things we can't really say.
And I try to hold back and I try to decide what's best for the show and what's best for both myself and Daniel at times because I respect both of us and I respect the show.
And I'm only doing what's best for the program, doing what's best for business.
And Keith and these other people, they have their own agenda.
Let's just put it that way.
Agenda would be the right word for.
I'm going to keep it nice, Harry, because I know more than what they think.
What they think I know, perhaps.
It's kind of funny.
These people forget that this is a really, really small world, a very small community.
And there's lots of moles out there.
And the walls have ears.
Well, not to mention that everyone likes.
I mean, obviously, we're talking about paranormal experiences, which is very close to gossip on its own.
So, of course, there's going to be a lot of gossip to go around.
And with every piece of gossip, whether it's on Bell Gab or another forum or on another radio show, even behind the scenes, it's going to get.
You kind of lagged out there.
Oh, did I?
Oh, no.
Can you hear me?
I think we might have lost him.
Or he might have lost me.
Ah, I can still hear you just fine.
Wonder what happened?
Let's see.
All right.
Technical difficulties happening.
Are you dead?
I am here.
Can you hear me?
Sort of cutting off.
Oh, there you are.
There you are.
Okay.
All right.
I wonder what happened.
That's a good question.
Were you downloading a torrent again?
What were you doing?
I was downloading this episode.
It's been really good so far.
So there's a lot of juicy stuff behind the scenes.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, and there's lots of juicy things I know that have taken place behind the scenes.
So I'm trying not to get myself into too much trouble here.
Yeah, what about Hoagland?
did he mix into that did did you think he had i think he did because i know he's good friends well at the time he was good friends with roland And he was good friends with Art, of course.
Of course.
Of course.
And I also believe our relationship with The Mad Marsh and Gary Legier is one of the main reasons why we weren't allowed on the Dark Fecal Matter Network.
Because he doesn't hesitate to call out Hoagland.
Yes.
You've interviewed him several times, right?
Yeah, Gary, he's a wild man.
He's a wild guy.
And I like him.
And there's plenty of times when we're interviewing him.
And I want to try not to talk about Richard.
And it just doesn't pan out.
It always goes that way.
It always goes that way, no matter what happens.
You can ask him anything, and then it's going to go back to Dark Mission, Dark Enterprise.
How much of his position do you think is accurate?
There's some things in there.
Maybe not everything, but there's some facts there.
I've heard lots of people feel the same way that he does about Mr. Richard Hoagland.
And there's a lot I could say about him, but again, I'm going to be very polite here.
So here's my question.
You get to, you're driving down the street, and then you get to an intersection or a crossroads, and Art Bell is standing there, George Norrie, and Hoagland.
And they all say that they'll buy you lunch if you'll go with them and just spend an hour shooting the shit.
Who do you go with?
That's an easy one.
That would be the great George Norrie.
Does he leave a good tip?
Yeah, he definitely does.
Nice.
He's a great guy, believe me.
He would definitely have a conversation with you.
Yeah, well, let's go back to contact in the desert.
Were you there for one day or how many days were you?
I was there for the whole thing.
And it was a great time.
And going in there before, I kind of had a different perspective on lots of people.
Nice.
It's always interesting what happens when you connect with people face-to-face.
We've got a caller on the line here.
Let's see.
Yeah, go ahead.
Carl, are you there?
Say something.
Oh, a robot.
Yeah, I hear you, but you're very robotic.
Okay, they hung up.
Oh, no, the robot.
Yeah, let's see.
Okay, so yeah, you said that talking to the people face-to-face was a different experience or was it eye-opening in the way they interacted with you?
Yeah, that was a game changer.
I've met lots of people I never thought I would ever meet, and some of these people knew who I was.
So that was insane.
Yeah, that was pretty wild.
And yeah, speaking to these people face-to-face, that changes everything.
Let's try this again.
Caller's back on the line.
Uh-oh, the caller.
You still sound robotic.
Try calling one more time.
I'm going to reset that sound device.
Wow, that is actually very fun to listen to.
It is kind of fun.
Are you a robot?
They just hung up.
Oh, they hung up.
We'll see.
Okay, hopefully they call back in.
It sounded sounded like some sort of robot that Amy Martin built.
There you go.
She has taken over podcasting with bots now calling into shows on her behalf.
Yeah, there's that goddamn AI again.
I'm AI.
I was actually born inside a chip.
They're saying the call isn't going through.
Okay, have them try one more time.
In the chat room, did they say that?
Yeah, and the number is up there, right?
Yep, 317-708-4500.
Here we go.
Let's find out what happens this time.
All right, caller, are you there?
Oh, my God, I can hear you.
Can you hear me?
Yes.
Okay, whatever was going wrong, it's fixed now.
I don't know.
It sounded like the sounds of Satan, you know, when they do a voice effect machine.
And I was like, oh, who am I calling?
That's funny.
No, I'm not always the greatest with technology.
And Skype rose up on me.
I don't know why.
But I wanted to call.
I wanted to weigh in on the Nori controversy.
Are you guys still there?
Yep, we're here.
Yeah, go ahead.
Okay, okay.
Okay.
I feel that it would have been rude for Mike to be rude to George.
So, I mean, the people who are telling you to be rude, while I'm no fan of Nori, it really would have seemed very low-class of you to do that.
So I'm glad that you were gracious and you bought him a torque, pizza roll, a little box for his birthday.
And the same with, you know, when he called in, Norway called into the Gabcast, it would have been rude, you know, just disapp him.
But yeah, he's, you know, he's not like a horrible, horrible person, but he just got in.
The man actually called in to be nice to you guys.
And there's been several calls for him.
There was one that's infamous where Heather and him got into an argument.
Yeah, I wasn't a part of that call, but it's not really the time or the place.
I mean, for her to have sent him a rude email would have been okay because it's a private thing.
But when he's calling in, he's being gracious, and you're also putting somebody on the spot where they may not react well.
So, I don't know.
So that's my two cents.
Well, it's worth a lot.
Okay.
Yeah.
You guys are having a good show.
Well, thank you.
Are you a listener of In Today's Radio?
I am.
Are you?
Awesome.
When I can stay up, I try to stay up.
Last night, I was like falling asleep.
I woke up for like half an hour.
I think I posted something, and I can't remember what.
So I hope it wasn't like a shit post.
And then I went back to bed.
So, but I will try to stay up.
It's just I'm usually up like 6 o'clock, 6.30.
So by the time that end of days comes on at 10.30 on the Eastern Shore here, I'm just like out of it.
Yeah, you're done by that time.
I'm done.
Not like when I was in my 20s, and I used to go out at like 10, 10.30 and come home the next day at 6 or 7.
Those days are gone.
10.30, you show up?
Was that the pre-party starting at 10.30?
10.30?
That's pretty early.
Well, no, no, when I used to go out, you know, to the clubs with my friends and stuff, I mean, in New York, the bars really don't get hopping until like 11, 11.30.
Even midnight, people are still streaming in.
And then last call is at 4 o'clock.
But really, you don't have to leave until 4.30 because they switch on the lights and then people slowly stream out.
And I used to close the bars.
I mean, I'm not like an alcoholic or anything.
I just used to go out to have a good time.
Oh, no one's accusing you of, but what was your favorite bar or club to go to?
And there was a place in, I mean, nobody would know of this, but there was a place called Sidrex in Queens.
It was an Irish bar.
So there were like a lot of, it wasn't just Irish people, though.
There were some British people there, Irish people.
So I'd fit in as a Red Hat, as an Irish.
Absolutely.
Nice.
Absolutely.
Especially if you can do an Irish accent.
Oh, hell no.
No, but I've got the hair.
I've got the red hair and blue eyes.
So they have to let me in the doors automatically, right?
Chosen people.
Nice.
So yeah, what was your favorite drink?
What is the drink of the night for you?
What's just a girly drink?
Total and milk.
It's embarrassing to admit.
Or Bailey's.
Bailey's not too bad.
Something exciting.
Or something called, there was something called a B52.
It was also known as a mini Guinness because I can't remember what they put in it, but it was two different alcohols.
And one would rise to the top, so it would look like a tiny little Guinness in a shop glass.
Yeah, I've heard of that one.
I don't know that I've had it, but I have definitely heard of that.
So, Michael, what would be the drink of choice for you?
You're out at the bars in New York hanging out.
What are you going to order?
If I'm in New York.
Anywhere, actually.
You're on the West Coast, right?
Yeah, of course, of course.
But I'm not really a big drinker.
I like certain IPAs.
Stone IPA is one of my favorites.
But if I'm in New York, though, if I was out there, I would probably be drinking some sort of rum.
Nice.
Yeah.
Get some rum in you.
And speaking of drinking, that's what we're going to do on our one of our next shows coming up.
We're going to be drinking throughout the entire night.
It's going to be a hell of a show.
It's going to be one of those drunken idiot nights.
You need to have some kind of game happening so that the listeners are joining in and drinking at a certain time.
For sure.
We've got to set that up somehow.
Can I bring up Salkie or is he puts on an Englado?
You know what?
He hosted the last Gabcast, didn't he?
I believe he was the last one to host.
So yes, I think you can.
Oh, maybe.
Yeah.
I was going to say Emby kicked him to the curb, so he didn't get to host.
But yeah, the one before that, he did.
Yeah.
Did he host two of those?
He's hosted two, yes.
Wow.
Plus your show.
Yeah, plus ours.
Well, he didn't really host it.
He was just hanging out with us.
If you hear thunder in the background, I've had a storm roll through, so sorry about that.
It's going to be part of the ambiance of tonight's craziness.
No, we like that, though.
I don't hear any thunder.
I'm not hearing it.
I want to, though.
Yeah, I'm sure you'll hear it at some point soon.
I hope so.
Oh, okay.
You're referring to Mike who live.
Not an eye.
The thunder, I like that.
All right, guys, I'll let you go so other callers can get in.
So it was great talking to you and a good show so far.
Well, thank you for calling.
Yeah.
Bye-bye.
Thank you for listening to the program.
My pleasure.
Yes, we did.
Anyone else wants to call in and tell your favorite falkey story?
Again, you can reach us at 317-708-4500 or on Skype at live show99.
Feel free to call in.
Take us any direction you want to.
Yeah, don't be scared.
Call in 317-708-4500.
We don't bite.
And here we are live and direct.
The Mud King.
You'll always be known as the Mud King.
That's very true, what Emby said.
Yeah, I'll never get away from that.
That's my real identity as the Mud King.
Everything else is just an avatar.
Where did that come from?
What are the origins of that?
So it's like every great story, it's a dumb story.
Those stories, though.
Yeah, in a chat room years and years and years ago, I was in college, and I love to talk and I love to type.
So as I'm responding to pretty much every person's comments in this live chat, I forget even what it was for.
I would take whatever they would say and just add flourishes to it to the point of where they said that I was slinging shit better than anyone else.
And so they said I'm the king of mud because of that.
And it just started to morph into the mud king that I could take anyone else's words and adjust them.
I always figured perhaps you just liked Anal so much.
Well, that's the second part.
Once you get the title of the Mud King, you grow into that.
Yeah, it's always going to get, it's always going to turn there.
Let's be real.
Well, all good stories, right, go that direction at some point.
They do.
Yes, they do.
And I must ask, do you have a soul?
I bought one once.
Like, there's a website you can get them from.
I tried it on.
Just didn't work.
I had to ask because you are a ginger, and we know about you.
We know you're not really born with a soul.
And I want to understand the logistics of that.
Like, is it like an assembly line to where, like, once it gets to me, there's like this arm that should drop down and like shoot in that pink paste stuff that creates chicken nuggets at McDonald's and it just doesn't happen for me and it moves on to the next one?
It's like a mechanical claw.
Okay.
I'll take that.
It's kind of what I'm envisioning right now.
Just a claw with some sort of artificial soul that got dropped into you, like pink slime at McDonald's.
Yeah.
Yeah, pink slime.
That's what it was.
Yeah.
So really, you could say that all I'm missing is whatever makes a chicken McNugget taste so good.
They're saying redheads should be executed now.
I thought they were typically.
It's just I was able to run fast when I was young.
Oh, my.
Let me talk about your hair now.
Do you have short hair, long hair?
How are you rocking your hair?
It is short.
I tried long hair once and realized that that wasn't my thing.
Actually, this is a dumb.
When I went away from my red hair heritage, I let my hair grow long and I bleached it blonde.
And it was not a good look.
You bleached it blonde and you had curly hair, you said?
No, it's straight.
When I was younger, I had curly hair, but it went straight later.
And my hair used to be flaming red.
Like the older I've gotten, the darker it's become.
I thought you were probably rocking the what's his name?
The Justin Timberlake hairstyle, Vin Sync.
Oh, no, I'm not that cool.
Bleached.
Yeah.
That look is very popular.
Yeah.
I like to say that Ed Sheeran, him and I probably have the same parents.
We just didn't realize it.
Do you wear turtlenecks by any chance?
No, but you think I should?
You probably should.
I can switch to that.
I think you should wear a turtleneck every now and then.
Well, I think all redheads, maybe we need to have a uniform.
Yeah, you guys need really cool sweaters and turtlenecks.
I'm kind of nervous that we'll need arm patches soon, too.
That's so funny.
But I did want to ask you this.
I have always been curious about the origins of the Gabcast.
Do you remember the very first show?
I do.
Because they were actually, we are called technically the Gabcast 2.0.
So the early days of the Gabcast started with a conversation of MVs where him, Eddie Dean, I believe Jasmunda, B-Dub, and Onin all were kind of talking about doing a podcast.
And it really was like, well, what are you going to focus it on?
And Bell Gab was the obvious choice.
Let's just talk about the gossip show attached to the forum.
And I don't believe I was on the first one.
I think MV was.
He was the main host.
But then as the spec sheet, the podcast that MV and I did together, when we switched over to start broadcasting the show on Dark Matter, which we were the very first podcast to do that.
Right.
When we did that, he wasn't going to be able to be focused on the Gabcast as well.
So Eddie took over to be the main host of it.
And that's where Gabcast 2.0 came through.
But before that time, we actually had Art call in.
We were the first.
That's another question I had to ask you.
Where is this Eddie?
Where is that man?
He's a busy, busy dude.
He's still around.
We'll be doing, him and I do a football podcast every day.
Yeah, I heard him, and I always wondered, is he going to be back on here?
I don't know.
I would love to have him be back on.
I mean, because he can go so many different directions.
I mean, he's a master of the George Norrie soundboard.
I'm sorry to cut you off, but one thing I forgot to mention was all these people that have been on this program, I kind of enjoyed most of them, to be honest.
Made me laugh, probably unintentionally, perhaps, but I've always been entertained by the people that host the Gabcast.
We have been really lucky.
That's one of the things about Bell Gab in general, because now it's open for anyone to be able to jump in and be a host of it.
And there's so many talented people, whether it's artistic talent, being able to get behind a microphone or a headset and just talk about a wide variety of topics.
We've been really lucky.
I still think that that original Gabcast group with Jazz, Onan, I love Owen.
I wish he was back in doing stuff right now.
But Eddie, B-Dub, I would label B-Dub the contrarian of the group, which was always fun to listen to him go back and forth with Owen or with Eddie on stuff.
So this makes me ask, and I actually have an answer for this.
I kind of know what you're going to say.
I was going to say, what's going to happen once Heather's show goes away, since it's supposed to be art show, and this is the Gabcast, and you're supposed to talk about that sort of thing.
But I feel like, well, I think you know as well, this has become more than just a show of a show.
Yeah.
It's grown into something much better.
It really is very meta at this point, the Gabcast is.
It can become whatever it needs to be in a moment.
And that's a fantastic concept for a show.
It is.
And I give MV all the credit for coming up with that, or for letting it flow that way, because it would be so easy to try to wrangle this into one specific direction and to let it, just like with the forum, to be able to go anywhere it needs to go is a, it takes a lot of guts to be able to let that happen and not say, okay, well, this format's working, so let's stick with it.
Well, hopefully this continues to live on throughout the years.
Yeah, the other thing I was thinking as you asked that question is like for Heather, whenever the next step for her is, when Midnight in the Desert is either done or art comes back or whatever happens, let's say the prediction of 12 months is right, I would love to have her come back to this because I think she was great on the Gabcast.
Her quick wit came through and her knowledge of a lot of things.
I've heard her a couple times on the Gabcast and I didn't think she did bad at all.
Yeah, I always was happy to have her on the episodes that I was on too.
I always considered her and Jasmunda art historians.
They know so much about him and old episodes that you could ask them any question and they could give you a well-thought-out answer as to when it happened, why it happened, and who called in that night.
Very cool.
I'm just glad to know that this program will keep living on after things fade away.
Oh, yeah, it will.
As long as I would say, here's my prediction, as long as there is a Bell Gab, there is a Gabcast.
And the rumor is that MV will be back pretty heavy in the rotation here soon as his family has traveled off to overseas to go visit their family or his wife and children.
So he's home alone with needing something to do on why not podcast, right?
Home alone.
I'm sure he loves being alone, away from the wife and the kids.
Everyone loves that when you get some free time.
Yep.
So, yeah, I was kind of hoping he'd be here tonight.
Yeah, I know that would have been perfect if he could have joined us too.
That would have been nice.
Yeah, that would have been pretty fun.
Yeah, I saw in the chat room Shredney Vashtar, which I, again, I'm just going to butcher everything tonight, and it's actually my plan at this point, was asking what our number is.
I know he's our resident UK curmudgeon.
He needs to call in and tell us.
Oh, about yes, about what's going on out there.
Yeah, tell us what Brexit means to him and anyone else who has an opinion on it.
We'll open up lines for Brexit here.
Anyone who wants to give an opinion, whether it was a good idea, a bad idea.
You know, everyone is talking about that, but I'm talking about Florida still.
I'm talking about cut Florida off from the rest of the United States.
Yeah, tell me more about that.
What did Florida do to get on your radar?
This is called Flexit here.
Yes, Flexit.
Yes.
This is the truth.
Well, everyone knows how horrible Florida is.
Let's not beat around the bush here.
Let's not sugarcoat the issue here.
Florida has been terrible for such a long time.
You can't pretend that you're not aware of this.
They struggle at voting, for sure.
That too.
And every time there's some sort of disaster that happens, I think, I'm pretty sure that happened in Florida.
And sure enough, it happened in Florida.
And it seems like Florida is just a giant cesspool for disaster.
So what you're saying is that Florida is the trailer park of America.
It sure is.
It's the most horrible people live there.
They usually reside in Florida, maybe in Tampa, perhaps.
And I just, I think it's just one of the worst places ever.
You can go online and just type in Florida and you're going to read something just horrible.
And I just did that now and I read, Florida man fires 30 shots into a woman's home because she refused to have sex with him.
So there you go.
There's lots of crazy people out there and I wonder how long it's going to take before we actually do something about the state of Florida and cut it off from the rest of the United States.
It's time for FlexIt.
I think so.
I believe even the Florida mayor was carjacked not long ago and held gunpoint outside his home.
Really?
Yeah.
Now, was that like a random act of Florida violence or did they know that it was the mayor?
Oh, it was the mayor, Jeff Triplett, I believe his name is.
Well, the person who did it.
I mean, the person who carjacked him and held him at gunpoint.
Did they know he was the mayor?
They probably didn't.
Three men armed with a gun approached him and held him up there.
But these people were young.
I read something about them being 18 and 17 years of age.
And when that young, they probably had no idea who Jeff Triplett was.
Hell, I'm barely finding out who he is.
Right.
He's just hit the radar.
Yeah, I'm sure they just found this unsuspecting victim and held him up, but they caught these guys.
So let's think this through, though.
So if we lose Florida, what are the good things in Florida?
Would you consider Disney World a good thing or a bad thing?
Well, didn't some alligator take some kid recently to?
That's true.
Yeah.
Yes.
Okay, let's go ahead and put that in the bad category.
Am I proving my point?
These people weren't even from Florida, by the way.
So I'm warning everyone out there that's listening to this program, don't go to Florida.
Just stay away from that place.
It's a death trap.
I like it.
So once we have them exit, can we go George W. Bush and just bomb it, too?
So that way we get a new coastline?
Or does it just have to be a new country that you have to have a passport to go to?
Yeah, I think they should just start their own country there.
How long do you think their economy could last with just Disney and water?
Probably not very long.
I don't know.
Probably not very long.
Yeah.
Well, what other countries need to join this?
Texas is pretty big on its independence.
Do you think we'll have a Texas?
No, not at all.
We love Texas too much here in America.
Us Americans, we love Texas.
Texas is hot, though.
Got all that great stuff.
Great food out there.
Have you been to the Alamo before?
Yeah, one time.
Yeah, I've been there once, too, and I was surprised how small it is.
I've lived in apartments bigger than the Alamo.
I actually wanted to take a piss on the Alamo, just like Ozzy.
Yeah.
That probably would have been the worst decision, though.
Well, if it had been like the day I was there, the what are you called if you're a Texas Ranger?
I had to think Walker, Texas Ranger, there to come up with that.
But that's pretty sad.
But the Ranger who was sitting guard there was probably in his mid-70s and taking a nap.
And then you could have gone away with it.
Yeah, I think you would have been able to do that and then walk over to the Pizza Hut right across the aisle from it right afterwards.
Well, I could have probably peed on him and gotten a pizza.
There you go.
To me, that was the greatest part is that you could stand at the Alamo and then you had all of the different great consumerism that is out there in terms of fast food is all right there at your fingertips right after you're done with your trip at the Alamo.
And that's what they're the joy of living in the United States.
You're close to a pizza hut and a Walmart.
Everywhere you go.
And in Florida, there's two of each around every corner.
There must be a Walmart everywhere, like gas stations.
You just have a Walmart there.
Yeah, well, Starbucks, too.
I'm assuming you probably have three times the Starbucks, what I do in Indiana, because we're late to everything.
We only got two out here.
And you did mention the weather.
Texas is hot, but here in Al Centro, El Centro, where I live, my God, it's insane.
The humidity and not long ago, a few days ago, it was 118 out here.
Yeah, being a ginger, that wouldn't work out so well for me.
Oh, hell no, you would die out here.
I'm already actually getting a sunburn as we talk about it.
Oh, gosh.
Yep, El Centro is below sea level.
We're way down here.
El Centro, it's a death trap.
Yeah, so you and Sheffist have actually met in person, right?
No, I've never met.
Oh, were you going to?
I thought he said he had made a trip there before, but maybe I misunderstood.
Yeah, he's actually been out here before many, many moons ago, and I didn't know him at the time.
But yeah, he's been out here, and I was kind of surprised.
He knows about these spots out here, and he wants to come out here and hang out.
And I would love it if we had a chance to talk and drink a beer or do whatever.
That'd be fun.
Oh, he's saying that he was out here from 2006 to 2009.
I think Chefist should be the official Bell Gab travel agent, and he should go visit each of us.
I thought he was going to call in tonight.
Yeah, he emailed me and said that he might not be able to make it or that he wasn't going to be able to, something about, I think, either work or he didn't have the right equipment with him.
But if he wants to call on a regular phone, just call in, Sheffist.
It's fine.
Again, you're in the chat room, so you're not doing much work.
Yeah.
Let's be realistic here.
And yes, El Centro, California.
It's a death trap.
Look it up.
You'll probably melt just by looking it up on your smartphone now.
Yeah, actually, I went to go grab my iPhone, and it's so hot I can't touch it.
Two.
I don't know if that's because of the battery or because it's so hot where you are, but I think it's because of your heat.
It's probably a little bit of both.
Yeah, I'll go with that.
It sounds good to me.
Yeah, Sheffis, you need to call in, even if it's on a landline or the worst.
You can call in on a tin can.
I'll answer.
That's not a problem.
Yeah, we talked to a robot earlier.
That's right.
We can make it work.
So when is Chepis going to have his own podcast?
That's another topic I wanted to hit tonight.
That's what I wanted to know myself.
He seems like someone who has a lot to say, and he seems to be pretty entertaining at times.
Yeah, so as long as he can keep that up for like two hours straight, the entertaining part, then yes, he needs a podcast.
Here we go.
We've got someone else calling, though, who can give us some insight on Brexit.
You are on the line.
Hey, how are you doing?
I'm very well.
Now, who am I speaking with, please?
This is Red or the Mud King.
And you've also got Michael username from Bellgab.
Uh-huh.
That's nice.
Well, this is Yorkshire Pod.
Actually, no, it's not.
I'm only one of two, aren't I?
I'm only one of two Brits on the forum.
At least I'm only the only two that actually admit to it.
Right.
There's a lot of closeted Brits there, too.
Hello.
How are you doing across the pond there?
I'm very well.
It's one o'clock in the morning, so you should be feeling very honored that I'm taking the time out to call you.
Wow.
You're up late.
Yes, I know.
So this is End of Days Mike.
Is it with a Y?
Yes, sir.
I bet it doesn't say with a Y on your birth certificate, does it?
No, it doesn't, sir.
It doesn't.
So what's the whole deal about the Y?
The Y and not the I in Mike?
Well, that's because I was a huge, huge, and I still am.
I'm a huge fan of a gentleman named Mike Hideous, and he spelled his name with a Y, not an I.
And I've been doing that since early 2000, and he's been on my show plenty of times, and now I can call him a friend.
And he's always liked that story.
He thought that was cool.
So what does he do then?
He's a musician.
Oh, no.
He sounds like a wrestler or something.
A wrestler?
No.
No.
Mike Hideous.
So this is sort of an axe man or something.
Haha.
That does sound like a good gimmick for a pro wrestler to use.
But no, Mike Hideus is a front man for the ever so popular band The Misfits.
He filled in for a while there for several of their huge tours and he was a member and then he got booted out and replaced by Michael Graves, another fantastic singer who was who he was filling in for.
And also Mike played for another band called Spy Society 99 and The Empire Hideous.
And these are all great bands and he was pretty popular in the goth scene out there in New York back when it was really popular, back when they had a huge scene.
And Mike is a great guy and he was on our show on our last show, matter of fact.
Yep, I heard that.
Great guy.
So the Misfits, what sort of, you say that's goth music, is it?
I feel like I've sort of...
It's like industrial, sort of industrial goth music is what he did, aside from the band The Misfits, who they're kind of like a horror punk band.
I have to think, SV, that you have a Misfits shirt.
I think everybody does.
That's obvious, isn't it?
Yes.
So somebody says a goth band.
The only one I can ever think of is The Mission or Susie and the Banshees or something.
I mean, I'm going way back there, but that's probably not quite the same sort of thing that you're talking about.
No, well, it still kind of falls in the same.
See, when you're in, it's really more of a sort of a scene, isn't it?
You've got to have the more of a look, isn't it, than music?
I don't know how many people are actually into the music, but they just like to dress up in the clothes and the lipstick and everything else.
Can you actually listen to the music and not dress up?
But sure, sure, of course.
But the stage present, that was a big thing.
Just remember Alice Cooper, just remember KISS.
All these bands, they loved dressing up on stage.
And that sort of carried over for the horror punk scene, the goth scene.
all like to paint themselves up i think didn't that start with david bowie though It did, actually.
David Bowie was the first one.
Yeah, but these other guys, they will mention being influenced by Kiss, though.
They won't actually say David Bowie.
Yeah, I was just thinking that Shredney has to claim Bowie as part of his heritage.
Well, he's British.
I mean, yes, you can't deny that.
But they keep dying off.
I was wondering earlier, actually, which rock star is going to hop the twig next.
They seem to be going in clusters right now.
This year hasn't been very good for rock stars in general.
So I'm going to put a small bet on Bob Dylan, I think, to go next.
That'll be the next one.
Yeah, he'll be, I'll have a 10k on him or something.
Got to love that.
By the way, you're out there in the UK.
Are you very familiar with any of the rock bands, any current rock bands out there that are decent?
You're asking me wrong.
You're asking the wrong man.
I think the last time I ever listened to any pop music was probably sometime in the mid-90s.
Wait a minute, was that with Oasis?
Please tell me you're not an Oasis fan.
No, I don't really really enjoy.
Well, I mean, to be honest, I only even something like Led Zeppelin's been a fairly recent discovery in the last few years.
I managed to avoid them for so long and just thought, oh, this is terrible.
Rock dinosaur rubbish.
And so I ended up stumbling them a few years ago and realising why have I wasted my time not listening to this?
And, you know, it's tricky.
I mean, some people say, oh, after the first three albums, it sort of turned.
It turned for the worst.
But I can more or less listen to most of it without undiminished pleasure.
But no, it's.
What about Pink Floyd?
Yeah, I mean, Dark Side of the Moon, I've kind of listened to when I was late teens and sort of early teens.
Other than that, it's actually interesting where I live, just a couple of miles along, because I'm sort of really close to the River Thames, there's a houseboat that belongs to Dave Gilmore that they use as a recording studio.
Yeah.
I don't know whether he still uses it, but certainly a few years ago, they go in there and sort of lay down a few tracks every now and again.
Yeah, I think it used to belong to it's a very sort of old-timey sort of river boat that's moored near a place called Hampton, which is sort of over the river from me.
And yes, they go over there sometimes.
But no, I've never really listened to much.
That's one thing you sort of respect him.
It's just, I might sort of end up listening to it in a few years.
It does take me a long time to work my way up to these things.
But no, other than when it comes to British bands, current British bands, I really wouldn't have a clue.
I hear you.
It's not your fault.
The music industry is kind of shitty nowadays.
And another thing I did want to ask you, and I'm so glad you called in here late where you're at, sir.
I want to know your opinion on Mr. David Icke.
What's your opinion on him?
We had a son on my program, Gareth Icke, who's also a musician.
Of course, yes.
Well, I remember I saw him in a documentary, God, must be 10 years ago now, when he was a little kid, of course.
I mean, he can't be more than about 20 now, couldn't he?
Very early 20s.
He was with his dad being dragged along to these speaking engagements.
Yeah, I know some people who find him very compelling.
He has some interesting stuff to say about banking crisis and things like that.
We start talking about reptilians and that sort of stuff.
You can't prove it either way.
So it just goes into the grey basket, doesn't it?
I mean, I do love the idea of Ted, you know, Ted, he former prime minister from the late 70s, Edward Heath being a shape-shifting, blood-drinking reptilian.
Well, he was early in that, wasn't he, in the group of people who were bringing that up that had any type of public?
Yeah, you've got to give him credit for coming up with something which has held a lot of water with all these revelations coming up.
I mean, a lot of them still remain unproved, but certainly lots of media personalities have gone to prison for stuff like that.
So, yeah, I think he is out there.
It's one of those things, because he says stupid things, obviously insane things, is everything he says totally?
What the hell was that noise?
I'm trying not to laugh too much.
I'm trying to behave here.
There is no behave here.
What bit was so amusing?
Just David, just the things he does say.
Yeah, some of them are just so over the top, aren't they?
Yeah.
I mean he is because the thing when you're my age you grew up watching this man I was trying to think of What's your age really quick just for those who don't know I'm 42.
Okay.
42.
And I grew up, you know, he used to present snooker and stuff like that on the TV.
You know, I used to watch, I used to like watching Snook and all this rubbish.
And he'd be presenting in his nice, cozy little jumper.
And, you know, and he was this very bland TV personality.
So I think, imagine somebody like Al Roka, somebody like that, some very bland personality over there, who suddenly overnight turns into this howling maniac going around in turquoise track suits proclaiming himself the son of God.
That's what we have with David Icke.
So he goes on this show, this chat show, Wogan, which, you know, in the mid-80s.
Just overnight, he had this breakdown and turns up on this show and he gets laughed.
Everyone in the audience laughs at him because he's the poor guy's having a nervous breakdown in public.
Maybe it's drugs.
It could have been.
Yes, he could have done something and had a bad trip and never got over it.
I think that's probably a lot.
I think he has done psychedelics, hasn't he?
Wouldn't that be great if the whole thing has just been one long LST trip for him?
I thought he did do some sort of drug on air before during his interview.
I think he's one of those people that's done things like ayahuasca and stuff like that.
A bit like Graham Hancock, who can't do a show these days without talking about getting shit-faced on serious hallucinogens.
That's his big thing these days, isn't it?
I think once they start, they go down a rabbit hole.
Now, maybe there's something in it, but for most people, it does sound that he's, you know, that they're totally off the wall.
Yeah, you've got to be mindful when you're ingesting these psychedelics lots of times.
You can go overboard.
And these gentlemen that we know today, I'm sure all the use they've had throughout the years, if you had a conversation with them about something, something typical, a normal everyday type, conversation-type subject, I'm sure they're not going to be all there.
Yes, and I mean, I think there's some of these that they just totally weaken system.
I mean, I think you just, you start, I mean, you just shit yourself, don't you?
A lot of them, it just everything comes out of every orifice when you take some of these things, I think.
And you're obviously so weakened that you will start hallucinating.
But there's no way to verify any of this.
I mean, people say, well, is it freeing up a part of the mind, you know, the pining or gland or whatever it is, stimulating that part of them, so that they can see through this sort of edifice that's around us.
You know, they always say there's only a certain amount of in the in the visible light spectrum that we can see, and everything else is that we can't perceive.
Um, or are they just having, just having hallucinations?
There's no way to verify any of this.
But, yeah, he's he's written, he's a terrible writer.
I mean, I've read a few, I've tried to read a few of his books, and he's just a terrible writer.
He writes, he just like vomits, you know, the first thing that comes in.
He said he wrote this huge book last year called, what was it called?
The perception deception, I think it was.
And he obviously doesn't have an editor or anyone to.
That's what I was going to ask.
Can you imagine being his editor when he comes up with something like what you said?
You know, I'm laughing now, but I'm laughing now, but I had been contemplating if I should go out and see David Icke.
He's actually doing a tour here in the U.S. called, I believe it's called the Worldwide Wake-Up Tour.
And he's actually coming out here in California in Irvine, which is kind of far away.
And the tickets cost anywhere from $65 to $105.
And he doesn't come out here very often.
And I was thinking maybe I should go see him.
But then there's another conference coming up, which I think I kind of want to go to that instead because the people that are probably going to show up to this event with David Icke, they're probably going to be a little bit of a crowd that I probably don't want to be around too much, to be honest.
You don't want to sleep in the hotel room, is what you're saying.
Yeah, exactly.
I don't think I want to be around those sort of people.
I kind of want to be around the more fun type people from a UFO conference that's coming up out here again.
Another one.
I think I'd rather hang out with those people instead of the crazy David Icke fans.
I can't say I've met many.
I don't know.
Some people you can pick up.
Yeah, yeah, there are certain type.
I mean, there's a certain type of UFO buff that fits into a particular category, don't there?
I'm never quite sure with Ike, I mean Alex Jones, you know pretty much with an Alex Jones fan what you're going to get.
With Ike, I'm never quite sure what his real constituency is.
I mean, over here he does shows.
I mean, there's this place, Shepherd's Bush Empire, I think, was the first one that he really did his big show.
And a lot of time you see these people and they're just relatively normal.
The thing with him is, is he anti-Semitic or is he just when he talks about blood-drinking reptiles, does he mean Jews or does he really mean blood-drinking reptiles?
How literal is he?
Yeah, there was a man, John Ronson, if you've heard of him.
He's done a lot of good journalists.
He writes all sorts of different books.
He was responsible for The Men Who Stare at Goats, which was turned into a film.
And he went round with David Ike for a documentary a few years ago, and he came to the conclusion that when he means blood-drinking reptile, when he said blood-drinking reptiles, he means blood-drinking reptiles.
There's no, but some people, it's always, they think, oh, it's a code, you know.
But I think he's just, in general, he means what he says.
There's really no check on anything he says.
So you take him at first value.
He's nothing if not sincere, I think.
With somebody like Alex Jones, you feel that he's always playing a bit of a game.
You never quite know what he really believes, except, well, I think he believes in making money.
That's exactly what I was going to say.
He definitely believes.
I think he needs that animony, doesn't he?
Because every so often I look and he's in a hotel room because he's been kicked out of the house by his wife.
I think he lost his wife.
Don't lost his wife.
He lost his house in the divorce settlement.
So now he's in a hotel room.
Our boy Alex Jones with the full tan fighting corruption.
He's raised up very odd hair.
There's always a...
He's a weird guy.
Is it...
Is it a hair piece he's got or is it just very odd hair?
You seem to start halfway back on his head.
I'm never quite sure that it's slipping off or what.
It's a very strange about Donald Trump.
They say that.
That's also a wig.
That's where I was going to go too.
Maybe instead of worrying about reptilians, we need to be worried about the shape-shifting hair pieces that are infecting people.
I never felt that Trump's hair is fake.
It's just when people don't have a lot of hair, they'll grow it in really weird, you know, if it grows somewhere, they'll just grow.
Because I just want to see him in a very strong wind and see how he copes with it.
It's probably sprayed so much that it's virtually a helmet.
I'm sure it's impossible to do.
They're so desperate to get an embarrassing picture of him, aren't they, with that hair?
There was one that I think I saw last week where he turned the waves at some event.
And you just sort of know that the combo was particularly blatant there.
But I think that's probably the biggest threat that he faces is just a strong wind.
So you've got to see him coming out of a helicopter, I think, and see how it holds up.
But I was interested.
There's no chef-ist then on here today.
He was billed as doing a...
Yeah, he was going to be a part of it, and it looks like he's not able to tonight.
He is in the chat room, though, and he's listening.
So if you have anything to say to Chevis, maybe we can goad him into calling in.
Well, yes, I mean, I was curious.
I was reading some of this.
I don't know how interested people are in this whole Brexit business that's been going over here.
Well, what sort of things do you well, I can do my best to try and answer them.
I'm quite interested in all of this.
Let me start by saying as an American who doesn't follow international politics as much as I probably should, of course, this top, the whole Brexit thing was was covered as there's this thing getting ready to happen, but no real detail of what are the implications of a stay or a remain vote versus a leave vote.
I don't know if you know the podcast No Agenda with Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak, but.
Yeah, so I've listened to it.
Okay, so actually I'm going to go on a tangent on that really quick.
Adam Curry, is he considered a celebrity at all?
Or what level of celebrity is he in England?
Is he like a D. Totally unknown?
Okay, that's what I figured, but I just wanted to ask that.
So he's big in Holland, isn't he?
Right, exactly.
Yeah, that's why he goes there to make sure that people take his picture.
So most of what I know is from there because our media just did not cover this initially.
So I'd like to know, what were you being told as the pros and cons to remain or leave?
Well, yeah, it's been going on, since the beginning of the year, it's really taken off and gathered steep.
But really, the whole debate's been very childish on both sides.
The remain people that it's been mostly fear, really, if you leave, bad things are going to happen.
This was more or less the message that they put out.
So the Chancellor George Osborne was telling us there's going to have to be an emergency budget to handle the fallout from all of this.
And the Prime Minister David Cameron was telling us that, yeah, just listing all the things that are going to go wrong.
But the leave people, on the other hand, it's almost entirely about immigration.
So they'll say, you know, if we leave, we take charge of our borders because there's this agreement called the Schengen, I think it's the Schengen Treaty, which is all about free movement of people.
So if you're in the EU, you've got a right to live and work anywhere in the 28 or 27 countries now.
In the Eurozone, you can go where you like.
So, for example, where I live, there are lots of Poles and Lithuanians and Romanians as well, you find, who live here.
So, yeah, they're all you there?
Yeah, keep talking.
I'm listening.
Okay, and yeah, so it was almost entirely about immigration.
And there was this very silly poster by the UK Independence Party, which is the main sort of leave party here, which had this picture of scores of immigrants lined up, the implication being that they're all going to come in here and put pressure on services.
And it's mainly, yeah, that's what it was, just immigration and take our country back.
That was the sort of slogan for a lot of it.
But you see, the thing is, with a lot of them, they haven't understood that nobody's independent.
This country hasn't been independent really since 1956 in the Suez Crisis when we decided to get involved over there and the Americans shut us down.
We pretended we were a major power until then.
And then, you say, come 1956, we realized we weren't.
So we had to go and join Europe, really, to stay relevant.
And I think we're going to find out that we aren't as strong as we think we are.
So we're going to end up with this guy Boris Johnson as prime minister by the looks of it.
But anyway, that's...
Is he the former mayor of London?
That's right.
Yes, yes.
He's only the third mayor we've had, so he's the one that came in a few weeks, a few months ago now.
He's only the third mayor we've ever had, but yes, he did.
So yes, we're going to almost certainly have him, but there'll probably be an election before them, because I don't think they can, you know, they can't really run with any kind of mandate if they don't have an election.
But yes, this is the in a nutshell.
But what were they saying on Nogendra?
I'm sure they were in favour of leaving, were they?
Yes, they were.
They definitely were.
Both of them were.
Yeah, it's you see, with a lot of this, there were so many opt-outs.
We had all of these opt-outs because everyone knew on the continent we were reluctant Europeans because this debate has been going on in this country since the early 90s.
That there's a bunch of conservative MPs, they call themselves Eurosceptics who constantly go on about Europe.
That's the Nigel Farages of politics.
Yeah, he's a fairly recent one.
I mean, they've been going on, I mean, this brought down Margaret Thatcher.
I mean, you know, it's brought down the succession of prime ministers.
Margaret Thatcher was taken down by Europe in one way, and John Major, another Conservative Prime Minister, was brought down by Europe, and so now is David Cameron.
So it keeps cropping up.
But yes, Nigel Farage is one of the noisier ones.
Do a lot of people, is he sort of the Donald Trump of politics over there?
In what sense?
Sort of a person who got swept into a populist movement without necessarily having all the pieces in place to be a ruler.
Like he's never going to be prime minister, but he can be just as loud as a prime minister.
Yeah, it's I suppose there is found his moment.
In certain situations, he couldn't get a hearing.
So I mean, you don't want to talk, you know, everyone rolls their eyes when you talk about Hitler and Trump, but there are parallels in the way that Hitler found a particular moment in history where he could, you know, his special qualities, if you want to call them that, were to the fore.
And Trump, in a way, in a very secure, dare I say, educated populace, he's not going to get much of a hearing, but people are listening to what he has to say.
But Sega's Americans hate it when you start mentioning, you start talking about guns or American politics when they hear some lime talking about it.
Let's come back to that in just a moment.
We've got someone else on the line here too.
970U Are Live.
Yes, thank you, Curtis.
It's Michael in Yorkshire.
I have a quick question.
I'll take my answer off the air.
There is a Bilderberg meeting there in Adelaide, Germany.
Do you think there is any influence from that, either under the surface or do you have any comment on that?
And I'll take my answer off the air.
Bye-bye.
Was that aimed at me?
I think so, yeah.
Yeah, I didn't know that there was actually a Bilderberg.
Every year there's one in the States and in Europe, isn't there?
There was one two or three years ago, not far from where I live, actually.
I can't remember where exactly it was.
I remember Alex Jones was there.
I mean, Bilderberg, it'd be very surprising if wealthy, powerful people didn't be cut once in a while.
But everything else is just speculation, is it?
We don't know what they do there.
I mean, they could just be playing golf or something.
Yeah, the theory is that people like Henry Kissinger or whatever, they go there and that they have the agenda for the next 12 months dictated to them, don't they?
But I have no idea what goes on there.
I don't think anyone else does either.
You know, I always think about any of the secret society or organizations.
Like, get 10 of your best friends together and try to plan out what you're going to do for the next six months and see how well that goes.
Yeah, that's the when you're into conspiracies, everything works very, everything works like clockwork, doesn't it?
The experience of life just shows you that that doesn't happen, doesn't it?
I mean, most of the time, yeah, things go wrong, stupid things happen, and life is full of contingent events, isn't it?
Things happen just out of the blue.
I mean, somebody like Diana, you know, some people think, well, you know, she was killed, obviously, but more than likely she just got into a car driven by someone who'd been who'd been drinking and just the stupid, you know, stupid things like that.
Major events can have very small, insignificant beginnings.
I don't think people really, if you're into conspiracy theories anyway, although, of course, they'll always armed with every fact in the book to support themselves, but they never hop.
If you manage to disprove a theory of theirs, they always hop on to something else.
They never stand behind a particular theory.
They'll never admit that they're wrong.
It's just, you know, it's mainly a religious belief in most cases, at least, that's my opinion.
But when it comes to Bilderberg, yeah, it's what can you, what can you say about something like that?
I very much doubt that it's as important as they say.
I'm sure they like to think that that's the case.
I mean, it's probably lots of politicians on the make who go to these things to rub shoulders with, I don't know who goes, what, Warren Buffett and all these people probably go there from time to time.
And they get to network and press the flesh with these people.
And share stock inside plans of how they're going to get rich more off of that.
Yeah, stuff like that.
It's, you know, rich people like to be around other rich people.
They probably don't have a lot.
I'm sure there's not a lot of small talk goes on.
I'm sure it's all pretty dry.
Yeah, sort of financial info and stuff like that.
Yeah, we got another caller on the line here.
5-2-0, you're on the air.
Oh, and they hung up right when I call out to them.
Michael, do you have any questions or comments?
I was just listening.
We're jumping into our political or international politics section.
Sorry, I could try to dominate that one when given a chance.
I'm still trying to pay attention to what's going on out there.
They're saying that that's going to affect us here in America.
Did you see the stock market?
I was watching the opening bell.
I watched it drop 520 points in the first minute.
People were going nuts.
Yeah.
How is it for you over in the UK?
What was it considered gloom and doom?
That's what I was saying.
Well, certainly if you think you're coming over here and enjoying our lovely British weather, now's the time to come.
I think you're going to certainly get value for money, aren't you?
I think the exchange rate's gone strike through the floor when it comes to the pound.
You'll pretty much be able to buy the place.
I should think yeah, we can show up and we'll be able to live like we're builder burgers.
Yeah, it's always interesting to see Americans over here, you know, you know where's Piccadilly Circus and where are the elephants, you know.
You know people like do we stand out?
Very obviously is yeah, you always like to wear shorts, for example, the typical American abroad yes, they love it, I love to wear shorts.
Actually, I was somewhere, I think it was two years ago.
They were all um, you know, there were people they were, they were yeah, they were wearing matching, I think, sort of red t-shirts and blue shorts and caps with their names on.
You know, and a bunch of you know they're in Kensington place, so just outside of the Albert Hall, and they were looking around and yeah, they had their names on, like Darlene and Peggy, probably Peggy Sue for a line, though they'll hit names like that.
So they're very sort of clichéd of a certain age.
You know, because I find myself, you know, talking friends who live in America, who complain about their fellow, their fellow Americans, and I said well, you know the ones I meet over here.
They're always very, very pleasant, easy to get along with and you know, and they say well yeah, because the ones that come over here are the ones that have the money.
Right, it's not Floridians who show up, they have the disposable income but yeah, the ones over here you very rarely meet.
So and I'm, you know, an unpleasant one.
You usually although whenever you meet Americans it's usually an interesting, it's usually an interesting experience very rarely do you come away thinking oh, these are very dull, dull people.
There's normally something interesting to uh, to be got from them.
That's funny because I have the exact opposite like for me, when I, when I hear a British accent, I'm like okay, you're clearly smarter than me and we just started talking.
You haven't said anything to prove whether you're intelligent or not yet and you already sound it.
So I think somebody like David Icke probably benefits a lot from that.
That he gets, you know, he gets a certain amount of respect just by the way he he sounds.
He wouldn't.
Over here, for example, people wouldn't think wow, he sounds very, he sounds very posh and cultivated, but maybe over there there's a, there's a different.
It's interesting to hear sometimes I hear I was listening to old Howard Stern show from a few years back and they had a couple of British.
They were obviously sort of strippers or something and they were basically you know what, what you would call slags.
Really, I mean, they were just really low class.
I was gonna say a slag right slags, you know, sort of trailer trush type, but he, you know, his reaction was, oh, you sound, so you always sound.
So he was just hoping they'd take their shirt off in the studio.
Yeah well, I think they'd already done that.
He'd already gotten what he needed out of it.
So everything from that's the truth what she said.
What they said was, I'll forget, do you want us to take our knickers off?
They, he said these, oh no, racial slurs slurs, please.
You thought he thought yes, he didn't realize it that um, that they said nickel.
He thought they were talking about something more racially sharp.
But yeah, that was that's what I was saying.
It's interesting to sort of hear something you know very they're people that do sound very kind of average of a British accent.
It does yeah, it does seem to add undeserved IQ points in the minds of some people.
But it's like going to another school, like in another school district than what you're used to.
All of a sudden you get a fresh slate, you're automatically cool for a while at least, because your accent.
We got our caller back on the line here.
520, if you want to jump in.
Hey how we doing.
Hey, you know which state has the most amount of British expats?
Which state?
Florida, Florida.
This is Chaffis, right?
Yes, Chaffest.
Do you still have food supplies running in England?
Bottled water and MREs and everything.
Yes, we're all ready to survive.
Yes, we're digging for victory and everything.
Yes, I've got a few tomato plants in the greenhouse, so I'm sure they'll see me through the dark times.
I've been reading.
Seriously, are you is the mood doom and gloom?
I mean, the vote was pretty well split, so it can't be everybody feels bad.
I think some of the people, you know, to be serious for a minute, some of the people who have voted leave are starting to wonder what they voted for when you see the reaction because it's many, I mean, that's the thing with protest votes, there isn't really anything behind it.
So people start to, they know what they're against, but they don't know what they're for.
And I think the people, a lot of them said, well, you know, we don't want foreigners here and things like that.
They'll probably end up with not much that they actually wanted in the end with all the negotiations because if they wanted to stay, you know, the big thing about the European Union is the single market.
You want to stay in there so you don't have to pay, you don't have the tariff restrictions to sell your goods.
But so they'll want to stay in the single market.
But with countries like Switzerland and Norway who have their own deal, they've had to accept immigrants coming into their countries.
So it's not really as simple as a lot of the leave people have made out.
And really, I'm sure that a lot of them are in the background thinking, well, what the hell do we do now?
Where does this all go?
Because it's going to take years.
But a lot of this has come out from the fact that Brussels did not want to negotiate.
And one of the biggest issues was the fact that many in England and in many of the countries in Europe, they feel that these are unelected bureaucrats in Brussels that are controlling them.
The president is not elected.
It's not a popular election.
They get their posts by different parliament members of the EU voting for them, but not the general populace.
So don't, you know, I mean, wouldn't that be a little strange if you weren't voting your own prime minister or here in the US not voting for your own president?
Yeah, but we don't vote.
It's a big deal, isn't it?
Important point there is that what was the percentage that elected the Conservative Party?
They're the ruling government at the moment.
I think it's 38% of the vote they got.
I mean, it's the way it works in this country.
They use first past the post.
So you can get a minority in the country that have elected the government.
So when you're talking about democracy, it doesn't really work as clearly as that, unfortunately.
Certainly with us.
Well, but they're in the EU.
That president in Brussels, they're not voted for.
Are the representatives in the EU voted for by their home?
That one drunk guy on the stage that was slapping everyone.
He was appointed.
You have the European Parliament, which is elected.
It gets a terrible turnout.
I mean, virtually, I can't remember.
I don't think I've ever elected gone out and voted for my Euro MPI.
I don't even know who they are.
Even if it was democratic, if they had everything, every level of government.
I mean, of course it is far too bureaucratic.
I mean, there's lots of things that are wrong with the way Europe's set up.
But is it, you know, do you just get rid of everything?
Or do you stay in it and try and work through it?
Well, no, what I heard, what I've been reading is that they just didn't want to negotiate on the point.
They didn't want to have to negotiate all these different issues that countries like England and others had, especially on immigration.
They just said, nope, this is the way it is and that's the way it's going to be.
Yeah, I mean, you're saying about democracy.
I mean, if they had all of these different elections, people just aren't interested, for the most part, in getting involved.
So it would just be lip service when it comes to all of these elections.
Now, yeah, there's a lot of when you when you listen to the way that the Greeks had to negotiate with all their troubles, of course it's you know, there's a lot of it that has to be that has to be reformed.
But you know, it's I think I think it's it's a question of do you just get rid of everything or do you try and you know, it's a balance, isn't it?
You know, it's do you take some of the bad and accept the good at the same time?
The way we've decided to do it is just take a total leap in the dark.
We don't know where any of this is is heading.
We know what we don't like.
We oppose all of these things.
We have no idea of what people say, oh, you know, we can trade with the rest of the world.
We could trade with the rest of the world, for God's sake.
Nobody was stopping you.
But it makes sense to trade with people who are nearer to you for obvious reasons.
You don't have transport concerns in the same way.
And you're dealing with a very similar culture, really.
I mean, some of the stuff I read on Bellgap over the last few days, it does make me realize there's a certain amount of how different Americans think compared to a typical European outlook.
How do you feel?
Go ahead, Michael.
What you're going to say?
I was just going to say very, very different.
Speaking to plenty of people from around the world, they have a completely different upbringing than us Americans do.
Completely different.
So, of course, our ideology is going to be just completely the opposite.
There's a sort of privileging of independence at the, you know, almost over everything else.
They think that the sort of the Brexit vote was just all about, you know, oh, great, you know, they're out.
That's that's great.
You know, that's, that's what you want.
Really, I mean, it's, you know, my parents grew up, well, at least with children during the war, and people realize that sort of a continent like Europe, it's all about living together, really.
Something like America, they haven't had to go through the same things.
I mean, you have Pearl Harbor, which is not the same thing.
Well, no, now we lost 650,000 in our Civil War.
This was 1864 to 65.
We lost more people in our Civil War than all our other wards combined.
So we know what it's like not to get along.
That was our original, that was our Brexit.
It was more of the Confederate exit.
Right.
But that was, you know, that was all between yourselves, really.
Well, the other thing about that...
But it was two different philosophies of government, really.
Well, that's the way that the South was very, the South had a much different view, especially when it comes to federal rights spread across the states.
And that's what started the war.
Yeah, the issue was slavery, but it was what rights can the states keep versus what the federal government will enforce on all the members of the Union.
And that's kind of what this is, right?
Here's one member state saying, you know, I'm just what the EU's doing, we're not agreeing with, and we want out.
And the difference was the reason why we started a civil war between two factors was that in the Constitution, there isn't written a, what's it called, Rule 20, I think you call it there?
Article 50.
Article 50.
Okay, we didn't have that in our Constitution.
We don't have it in the Constitution.
And the only state that has it, believe it or not, is Texas, because they negotiated that when they came into the Union, but none of the other states have it.
And so, everybody took up that's a country that wishes to leave.
That's kind of what it's about to fly yeah yeah well, and I would go back with the Civil War, a big part of why it happened.
I mean, slavery was an important piece of that, but it was really the industrialized north, which carried a lot of similarities to industrialized Europe, to the rural, rural area of the the country.
Really a clash of the way economies would work, because they were so focused on different ways of of generating income and slavery being a key piece of that economy that they didn't want to give up.
That's what it was.
It was a haves versus a half-nots.
Yeah, just what happens now, now that all this has taken place, what's the outcome of all this?
Now nobody knows.
Um, until october there'll be a a new prime minister, and the current prime minister says that you know he's he's not taking any responsibility.
I don't think anyone's heard from him since friday, since he he announced his resignation.
He's not going to take any steps.
He said to.
Isn't that a weak position, though?
I mean, he's the one who put them in the spot to have the vote correct.
Yeah, I mean, that's a stupid thing.
He didn't really.
He didn't need to call for the vote at all he, but he needs to give it to um because, as I said, that the the, the eurosceptic side, which constantly is nibbling at him like a bunch of sharks all the time.
So he had to give.
He had to give them something.
I throw something to the wolves to to shut them up.
So he said, all right, we'll have a referendum, expecting.
When it first came up that, everyone was saying oh, this is a, this is a waste of time, everyone's going to vote remain, or you know, there'll be a section of of people who um, who want out, but it's not going to be even close.
I remember, probably about six months ago, that people were saying that and it wasn't uh, it wasn't going to even be yeah, but even be close at all.
And now they they um, they haven't got a clue really.
What's what's going on there.
They don't have a proper strategy for for getting this.
There's a.
I think it's a meeting in Berlin, I think, in on tuesday.
Uh, he's going to go, Cameron's going to go and meet them to and they're wondering whether he's got.
He is going to say something about initiating the withdrawal, because this, this was the Lisbon treaty.
This, this began with um.
You know the whole article 50 thing.
You can you invoke this to um to withdraw.
But that yeah, that people like Boris Johnson are saying well, we don't know, there's no hurry, we can hang around till 2020 if we want to, we can leave when we want.
And the people there they're Germans are just saying I think it's the SPD saying um no, if you're going to go now, you know, just go disappear, we don't want you if you don't want to stay.
But there's um, Angel Merkel saying well, there's no hurry.
So um, you know, the Germans are the ones that that run the show.
Really, they're the, they're the biggest economy, they're the, they're the most powerful actors here.
So um, you know, it doesn't matter what they're going to, what they're going to.
Give you an opportunity to leave, take it.
You never know where you'll end up.
Yeah well, they're not really the.
Yeah, I mean, the Germans of of uh, of today are very different to the ones.
I mean that.
You know the whole.
Don't the men sit down to pee now in Germany?
Isn't that the big thing there?
I have no idea about that.
Yeah, they do that to show their um, I don't know their support to women.
Somehow it's a big say that they're very, you know, they're very serious.
I mean, you know, if you're, if you come from a country who'd you know you've been responsible for so much.
I mean, this is the thing about Jimmy the it.
You can't really think of a culture that's been more civilized than the Germans.
I mean, you think all the music that they've produced and the literature, and yet they came up with somebody like Hitler who pretty much almost destroyed civilization single-handedly.
So, I mean, that's why I don't accept the parallel of the Second World War and the Civil War, because whatever you say about the Civil War, it wasn't an existential threat in the way that Hitler was.
I mean, it was, you know, I think that's completely, completely different.
I'm always curious about why in the Civil War, why the Democrats, you know, back then, the Democratic Party were the real, when did that change?
They were the slave owners, weren't they?
So the thing about American politics are that it's all a marketing game.
As soon as you realize that there's power in a name, you go to change it or adjust for it.
So all the names of Democrat, Republican, all of that, they're labels that are so reusable and interchangeable.
I mean, because that goes all the way back to the War of Independence, when people who are on the fence who didn't really understand the implications of what independence meant, they just repackaged it and remarketed it in a way that made the people who are on the fence think, oh, yeah, I want to be independent.
And of course, once they support that movement, they didn't really understand all the implications of it until after the war starts.
But that's a staple of U.S. politics is as soon as you think a name has power, then destroy that name.
So Democrat, Republican, all of that, they change throughout the years just because of the whims of the people.
Well, yeah, the primary voting bloc against the civil rights movement of the 60s were Southern Democrats.
It was actually the Republicans that forced the passage of the Civil Rights Movement.
But you don't hear that today, right?
Basically, the primary marketing tool of the left here in the U.S. and many other places is if you're not on our side, you're a racist, you're a misogynist, you're a xenophobe, you're whatever.
That's the primary marketing tool for the Democrat Party.
However, that's kind of being diminished right now, and it's being diluted by the fact that they're taking so much money from the large corporate banks.
And Hillary Clinton's a good example of that.
So not to get totally political, but it's like Curtis said, it changes.
It changes constantly.
And then when people start to learn that one side or the other and exactly what they portrayed themselves to be, then wind shift and party shift.
And it's always been that way.
An example of that is the Whigs from pre-Civil War.
They realized they needed to remarket themselves to become Republicans when Whigs were out of fashion.
And so the Republican Party pretty much came from that.
It was just a rebranding of an existing party that had lost favor.
I didn't realize you had Whigs over there.
I mean, they were big, they were what turned into the liberals in this country, the Whig, you know, the Whig party.
I didn't realize they were proto-Republicans, were they?
Yeah, back many, many years ago.
Yeah, that was pre-Civil War.
They were part of the real big movement to make, to push, and abolitionists were in that group that they rebranded themselves around Abraham Lincoln and all of that.
Actually, it's something while you've got Chefist here.
I have been contributing to the discussions on the board for the last week or so, because a lot of it I've found pretty embarrassing to read, to be honest.
Is this genuine, do you think, or is this just trying to rag on Brits?
For some of the stuff I've read, it's been, I mean, I haven't, I mean, I read a few people saying, oh, The murder of a British MP is convenient or haha, so much for your British gun laws and stuff like that.
And that's the reason I haven't been contributing to the thread because it's what are you supposed to say to things like that?
Well, I mean, that's kind of been going on quite a bit here recently at Bellgab.
And I don't know, you know, I just don't know if it's any different than it's ever been.
I've been thinking about that too.
I don't know.
And, you know, here for the past couple of days on Belgab, it's been a lot of, I don't know, it was like neo-Nazi talk and Nazism and fascism and all of this stuff.
On that, I think it's the Brexit thread.
Is that what's been going on in the chat room?
Last night's show, the chat room was complaining about some sort of racist comments being made.
I think they were talking about anti-Semitism and things like that.
I had no idea.
I'm trying to do a show.
I don't know if it's just people trolling.
I think there's always a mix of that in it.
Yeah, I think that's because as soon as someone says, oh, that made me angry, then everyone, you know, is going to jump on that, right?
You know, I read it and I thought, well, a lot of this, I'm just not going to dignify with a response.
It was the attitude to the Joe Cox getting killed last week.
I thought this was, yeah, there's back and forth and we'll discuss guns and things like that.
And people will.
There aren't many Brits.
As I said, I think it's me and Yorkie, the two that are the most vocal.
You're the two that are out.
Yeah, and stuff like that.
But I think, you know, there's a woman there with two small kids who ended up being killed by a maniac.
And yeah, it doesn't matter to the, I'm sure there's nobody from the family who reads that sort of thing, but I think it lets everyone down, I think, reading some of that stuff.
And yeah, there are people like that.
I mean, there are people like King of Kings on that who's beyond help as far as I can see.
And there's no point addressing people like that because they don't have anything sensible to add.
In the past, I took him semi-seriously, but after reading some of the stuff, you think, well, it's a waste of time.
I'm not going to get bothered with that.
But yeah, but there are other people who you just wonder what do they really think?
Are they being serious about the stuff they say?
Or is it all a big joke?
And some of that stuff isn't a joke, unfortunately.
Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, I don't say the stuff like, oh, mind your own business, you stupid condescending Brits and stuff like that.
That sort of stuff.
That's more a throwaway, right?
Yeah, I don't.
But I know, so yeah, I know my fellow Brit on board.
Yeah, I know that he's not interested.
I think he's just been disgusted by some of the stuff that he's read.
And you just think that what can you say about some of it?
And yeah, it's not a fact that, oh, we can't, you know, I read, oh, they can't take it.
They're not here.
It's just that when you read some stuff like that, how are you supposed to respond?
There is a real world.
Belgab, while it's the center of all of our universes, it's not the only thing.
We do disconnect.
And some of these real things need to be discussed, but discussed in a way that is respectful to all parties.
We can have an uncomfortable conversation without having complete disrespect to the feelings of other people.
Can I throw this out there?
I'm just going to say this.
I think that now that the falky thread and all that's pretty much gone.
Don't say that, man.
That's my one thing.
That was almost like a, you know, you know what a heat sink is, right?
It Falky was a hate sink.
That's where everyone was able to dump all their frustration and bitterness and do all that in one place.
And now that that seems to kind of gone away, it gets spread all over the place.
You're probably right with that.
Yeah.
Falkey was, I think they say he was talking about in the past tense.
He does seem to have blown himself out.
And there doesn't really seem a lot to squeeze out that particular orange anymore.
There's nothing really to say about him now.
But he's always been more interesting for a spherical object, right?
Yes.
I mean, he was all say the people who contributed to that thread were the reason that he had this brief spurt of popularity, I think.
He brought out a certain sort of rage in people.
And it was often very, I think it was probably one of the funniest threads you can read if you follow some of the stuff on there.
I think it was a unique sort of bringing together of people there.
I don't think it ever got quite the acknowledgement that it deserved.
There was a lot there that was very interesting and fun.
And people think, oh, it's just rather torgy, which it was, incredibly torture and depressing in a way, but also very amusing.
But no thanks to him, of course.
He was always a disaster.
And he doesn't deserve any kind of attention at all, really.
But for some reason, we would keep going back to Falki.
And I did listen to the show with the end of days, Mike, and the other guy whose name I forget.
Daniel.
Daniel, yeah.
And he was on there.
And yeah, his combination of sort of insanity and sort of articulacy at the same time.
It's a very weird.
He pretty much had everything laid out about Falki in those two hours, though, really.
There wasn't much else to say.
You'd sort of see all that.
Yeah, Commander McBragg off of Bullwinkle.
Pretty much done.
You know, he thought we were going to bring him on after the break, even though I had told him, like, that's it, and we're going to hit music and move on.
And he called in again, thinking that he had another half to go.
Like, he really thought we had another half to go.
He was so adamant about it.
Did he ask you for money at the end of that, by the way?
No.
Really?
One of the few people he hasn't touched for a donation.
He's still waiting for it to come in the mail.
Yeah.
I mean, that whole thing with him and MV, I didn't actually put the stopwatch on it, but it was pretty inevitable that that was going to come to a screaming halt very quickly.
That was start.
Have you had any actual dealings with him outside of, is it just a couple of emails and just to set the show up?
Of course, I had talked to him off fair quite a few times.
He would call my phone, and I've said this online plenty of times before, but he actually blocked me on Skype.
And he goes on to say that he never blocked me.
But, you know, I believe him because he's not very tech savvy, even though he claims to be.
Yeah, there's not much.
He doesn't claim, does he?
He claims to have read about 40,000 books, which if you work it out, I think it's something like three a day for since he was five or something.
Well, if you've never worked a day in your life, you have the time on your hands to do it.
Yeah, I suppose he has a lot of time for private studies.
Well, if you had an IBM mainframe, he could have walked in your house and fixed any problem.
But, you know, you have to do that.
That's true.
That's true.
That's a good one.
How many times has he died?
Is it three times or four times?
I forget how many times he's risen from the dead.
Here's a nightmare.
Let me give you a nightmare scenario.
Okay, so you wake up tomorrow and you find out that you're now a genie inside a lamp.
And then fast forward several hours later and Falky is riding his scooter across the beach and finds your lamp and opens it up or rubs it.
And now you are his personal genie granting him all the wishes he could ever want.
How terrible would that reality be?
Because every wish you would grant for him exactly how he wanted would still be terrible.
You wouldn't do it right.
What possible wish would he ever have?
I mean, he would use them all up in three stupid questions, wouldn't he?
What would those questions be?
What are his three requests?
What does Falky want from his personal genie?
Oh, God, it would be like a man from Uncle Box set or something.
I just think we want to something stupid like that.
say, it's hard to sort of think he's so...
I sort of looked him up, I sort of think, you know, what sort of...
There's obviously something not right upstairs with him.
It's not...
It's not insane.
I think he's of a paranoid personality disorder.
I think that's the closest you can get to a sort of diagnosis with somebody like him.
But it's just, I just don't know what he wants to do.
I think his big thing with him.
And also, it's not being able to get out on with people.
So Envy does pretty much everything for him, sending him a laptop for a pretty good quality laptop for virtually no money, but actually giving it to him.
And he manages to turn that back on him.
God knows how he manages to do that.
But he tries to scam him for that.
So yeah, there's a basic lack of any kind of morals when it comes to dealing with people.
I mean, he obviously whacks his girlfriend about if you want to think of her as a girlfriend, the way he carries on, but he claims he never does.
But all these bruises on her face for sleeping on her face or something.
That's why she's bruised.
Of course, you don't see many people bruised faces like that.
Has your pillow ever bruised you?
Yeah.
I love this.
I mean, you hear from people who say that you actually have known them, and they're just bickering and constantly backwards and forwards.
They don't seem to be able to talk to each other for more than about a minute without some kind of bad blood erupting.
Have you seen his views on his videos lately on YouTube?
I think they've gone way down since now he can't mark it on Bellgap.
That's not a surprise.
Does George still, George Nori still call out his videos on Coast to Coast?
I think he does.
No.
It's that original one, right?
Well, Michael, you...
Did you talk about Falky at all with Mr. Nori?
I didn't.
I didn't bring it up.
He did.
He did.
Okay.
How did that go?
Tell us a little bit about it.
When I first met him, I said hi, and I'm Michael, and I have a show called End of Days Radio, blah, blah, blah.
And he goes, I know you.
I know who you are.
He said, I heard your interview with George Cinda.
And that was pretty goddamn weird, I got to say.
For a moment there, did you feel like you needed to go and take a shower and get the feel of Falky off of him?
You know, matter of fact, I did kind of want to look for a water hose and spray myself.
Yeah.
What if Falky was the reason he decided to meet you?
He didn't decide to meet me.
I went to him.
I actually had a problem.
What if that was the gateway, you know?
Then he would say, praise Falky.
Oh, man.
That would have been something else if Nori would have said that.
Yeah.
At that point, reality would have folded in upon itself if that happened.
I think there's two scenarios that make reality kind of give up.
It was surreal.
Just hear Nori say that.
Oh my goodness.
Crazy.
I missed the, I only heard a little bit.
You were talking about Norrie earlier.
You found him a pleasant person to deal with, did you?
Because there's some people who think he's pretty just one rung down from Jeffrey Darmaroon on the evil scale.
You found him quite tolerable, did you?
Yeah, those are people that probably don't get out much.
Let's be realistic here.
These are people that would never call into any of these shows and talk to me or talk to anyone else up there.
These people are kind of afraid to talk.
It's not that hard to do, but they remain behind their keyboards most of the time.
And these people never go out.
They never interact with anyone else.
The first experience of Coast I ever had was with Nori because I'd never even heard of Art Bell until, I know, I think it was, I think I heard Alex Jones mention him once.
He was going on the George Nori show and I ended up listening to it's the my dad is a fan of Nori, but he's a bigger fan of John B. Wells and he actually heard Norrie way before he even heard of art and he heard a couple of art shows and believe it or not, he didn't really like Art Bell that much.
I was kind of surprised.
That's funny.
I was kind of had that experience.
Yeah, I mean, he loves John B. Wells.
He's a big John B. Wells guy.
Does he like him for the political or yeah, the political stuff.
I'm pretty sure that's why he likes John.
And, you know, I had lots of nights listening to Coast to Coast AM with my dad and listening to George Nori.
And I was shocked.
I said, this is Art Bell.
Here's a CD with a couple of his shows.
And he heard a couple of them and he liked a few of them.
I think he heard Mel's whole.
I think he was laughing at that.
And he actually just, he said it wasn't his cup of tea in those words.
And I was kind of shocked.
I said, you're using my phrases?
Dad, how goddamn dare you?
Yeah, I always say that's not my cup of tea.
So he threw that at me and I was just, I was floored.
I've never really heard people not like art.
No, I'm saying it's just weird that people would dislike art after they listen to Coast to Coast AM.
You would figure that perhaps they would like the originator.
Yes, it's very difficult to listen to Norrie and then you get someone like Art.
It's like a Rolls-Royce compared with some clapped old banger really, as far as I'm concerned.
I mean, with Norrie, it's the not listening to the person he's interviewing.
It's the routine going through questions and saying the same things and things like that.
And that's not something you'd find with, even on a bad day with art, he would listen to the...
One thing you have to understand that it's terrestrial radio and they have time restrictions and they have to say certain things and they can't say certain things.
You know, they have to abide by the rules and play by the rules and they have to be.
Well, he certainly does that, doesn't he?
I mean, he's a real salary man, isn't he, Norrie?
He's got to.
That's what you got to do to maintain in the radio business for as long as he has.
You have to be professional.
But I mean, Art did, as far as I know, he did fight to make sure that his show wasn't saturated with commercials all the time.
That in the end, it was for the listener.
It's not just something.
It's not just a vehicle for a bunch of advertisers.
I think that's, I'm pretty sure that's what he did, isn't it?
You know, he made sure that it wasn't completely ruined by commercials.
I think with Norrie, he doesn't care, does he?
He'll go off and, you know, as little as you can have as much time as you like.
He doesn't really want to be behind the mic very much as far as I'm...
I mean, it's been a long time since I've heard him, but...
Well, I think if he really hated the job, I think he probably would have quit by now.
Well, the other thing is that the money comes in handy.
Oh, the money, of course, of course.
I don't know how much he pulls down.
You were getting paid.
500 a year is what I heard.
Yeah, but if you're getting paid so much money and you just hate your job so much, don't you think perhaps you would call it quits or find something else to do, perhaps?
Most people hate what they do for a living, don't they?
They don't get paid that much for it, though.
They don't have much choice.
I'm sure, you know, all that money, you've got it in the bank.
You can spend what you like.
You can go, you know, you can be miserable for four or five hours doing a show you hardly do any prep for, and then spend the rest of your time doing what you want.
I mean, he goes to these meeting Greeks.
He probably meets some.
That would be woo-woo conferences.
Yeah, woo-woo conferences.
Yeah, he's probably got a string of cougars he's got lined up outside his hotel room.
You have to assume that's in the gig.
I'd rather be.
He's pretty much, yeah, he's set up until he decides to hang it up, you know, and whenever that'll be.
But no, why should he quit?
I don't think many people really want to do that kind of show anywhere.
I mean, paranormal radio is more or less mari-bund, isn't it?
I mean, there are lots of, I mean, with respect to you and everything, I know you do all your show and everything.
But I mean, podcasts are one thing, but paranormal radio, trying to keep this fresh every five days a week.
It's very difficult.
As Art found himself, I think most, well, a lot of people anyway found that was a very difficult listen, at least for me, to try and keep that fresh.
There were some really interesting shows and some which didn't really work so well.
But yeah, it's a very difficult thing to do without getting involved in repetition of it.
I don't think Norrie really tries very hard to do that.
I mean, I don't know.
does he do a lot of paranormal these days anyway is it lots of um i don't think he really does I think he's more along the lines of doing health shows.
But this goes back to Mediterranean.
Yeah, but this goes back to what Art was telling Heather to do, to make it your own.
And that's what Norrie has done all these years.
Which one of you two?
I know one's pro-heather and one's anti-in your show.
I did listen in there.
There's one that was, was it, are you the header?
No, I don't.
No, you know, I have to say I support everyone by default that picks up a microphone because I know it's difficult to do.
It's not exactly that easy to do.
You were saying that perhaps Norrie doesn't prep.
Well, maybe he does and we don't even know it.
And maybe he just maybe he just butchers everything.
You never really know.
Well, if he does prep and we don't know it, he's probably not worth bothering with, isn't it?
I mean, the idea is if he does prep, we do know it.
It should be pretty obvious.
The fact that he so often he comes, he does a show.
Well, I mean, as I say, I haven't listened properly to him for a number of years.
I doubt he's improved with time.
But I mean, there must have been a time when he was reasonably competent.
But whenever I hear him, he just sounds like somebody who's been given a few, you know, a list of questions.
The co-star, you know, they take it to, I think this was started by Art, wasn't it?
They write a list of the guests writes a list of questions they want to be asked.
Art uses that as a spring source to come on to.
Sorry, Carol.
But that's the product, right?
You know, maybe he just has the product targeted for his audience.
You know, no one could argue that McDonald's makes the best hamburger, but they do sell the most.
And maybe that's just what he has.
He has a certain type of product for a certain type of audience, and that's what he sells every night.
Well, maybe he gets in trouble too when he goes off script.
Who knows?
Say, like, perhaps there's times where he does that.
And like I said, I'm sure maybe he does prep, but then there's times when he's, let's just say he can't focus enough or perhaps something goes wrong.
You don't really know what goes on.
We can't really just sit here and say, well, he doesn't prep at all.
And let's be honest, too.
Ian Punna just not that good.
I was going to say, Ian Punna has over-prepped.
I think he's prepped so much that Norrie doesn't have to anymore.
I'm sure he was the one that always took the teacher an apple at the end of the end of the class, wasn't he?
He's always the type of teacher's pet about him.
I did rather enjoy his appearances, but he was something he had a little prepared gag for his new segment.
Yeah, I think it's better to overprepare than to underprepare.
Yeah, I mean, he usually knew more about a book than the person who wrote it.
Yeah, he was a bright guy, obviously.
And perhaps he wore his learning a bit too, he could have worn it a little more lightly, perhaps.
But yeah, he was funny.
He very really, whenever I listened, he really touched paranormal topics.
I think he was, it was stuff, you know, to sort of the margins of interesting topics, but not, you know, very rarely would you hear him do it.
It just, it was because he did do it was also like a pre-show, didn't he?
What was it?
Coast Live or something he used to do.
Like on weekends.
Yeah, which was an interesting way of handling it.
But yeah, it's a shame he doesn't come on and do different shows now.
Is there a man, Greg Bishop?
Does he do a show on there now?
He's always somebody I've listened to.
He has an interesting show that I listen to from time to time.
Is that sort of a host?
Let's say I haven't listened to this show for a while, but is he one of these occasional guest hosts that I've heard about?
Or has no one ever heard of him?
I haven't heard of him.
Oh, he's interesting.
What's his name again?
Greg Bishop?
Greg Bishop.
Yeah, maybe I've got it wrong, and he was just a guest or something.
But yeah, he's an interesting.
I find there were some people who just have a general interest in the topic in the way that Art did.
That's why I think most people liked him.
Probably, I was going to say, doing a show five times a week, I'm sure there's topics that he doesn't really care about, and then there's topics that he does care about because I have heard him be a lot more engaging before, and it seemed to me like he did prep.
So, like I said, going back to saying that he doesn't prep at all, that's, I think, I think that's kind of reaching there a little bit.
I'm just sure that he's probably not as interested in some of the topics he covers as we would expect him to be more focused on because, you know, he's doing these health shows.
And of course, we want to hear something else.
But this is Nori doing his own version of Coast to Coast AM.
And I think a lot of times we forget that.
Yeah, we know another thing.
Like for me, most of my art listening has come from going back into the archives and listening to old episodes.
So I didn't have the benefit of every night listening to him live.
So I'm only hearing the good stuff.
There had to have been nights when art was off and maybe didn't sound like Nori, but didn't come to the game, come to the show with the same preparation and planning that I'm used to hearing.
Not everyone's going to be gold every episode.
Yeah, not everyone can be like me.
Yeah, no one could be the Mud King.
Exactly.
I mean, you have the name The Mud King.
That kind of says it all right there.
How could you have a bad show with that name?
Sometimes I don't even talk and people love it.
It gets hundreds of thousands of downloads.
There you go.
Well, that's my, I'm gunning for that name next.
I find this whole name change thing very confusing.
I think people are going to have a name.
You might as well stick to it.
Now, I keep thinking Red, you see.
I think this is a former member of this parish who had a similar name, you see, and has now gone on to bigger and better things.
I keep thinking that Red is someone else, you see.
And so, yeah, now you've changed your name.
So I'm always going to stay with the one I've got.
It's come hell or high walls.
I'm not going to change.
So do I look better as the Mud King than I do as Red?
It's confusing, yeah.
So I'm not quite sure.
Maybe it's just my personal preference.
But I keep thinking it's, you know, it's some, oh, it's, you know, it's a redacted package with a slightly abbreviated name.
And then you've gone to, yeah, so it's, I have to keep reminding myself.
So yeah, you're sort of red slash mud king in my.
Do you want me to preface every post with saying the mud king and then colon and then whatever it is I want to say?
Yeah, it would be much easier for me.
Yeah, so if you wouldn't mind.
Just for you, I'll do that.
Yeah, I have to thank you.
Thank you very much.
Yeah, no problem.
Hey, we've got someone else on the line here.
Yeah, we did have somebody.
I guess they were offended when they realized that Red and the Mud King were the same person and hung up.
I'm not talking to that guy.
Yeah.
That's red?
No way.
I'm from Florida.
He's like, I heard what you said.
Yeah.
I heard that.
Yeah, I will not flex it.
So jumping back over to Bellgap, I'm looking at the recent post and that should MV ban neo-Nazis anti-Semites is like the most dominant thread, it looks like right now, isn't it?
Yeah, that's the one.
Yeah.
Yes, he came back with a fairly uncompromising reply to someone the other day.
It was, you know, he's very lucky.
Bridge abutment was it.
That was his reply.
I was thinking of Robert Ghostwolf Ghost.
He started up saying that, you know, there's a lot of people who've been put off by some of the posts.
And his folks, you know, fuck you.
And just scroll through them if you don't like them.
I mean, as I say, he got a lot of this with Art's.
When Art quit, there was a lot of really bad stuff.
Well, bad, I'm saying, very critical stuff.
And he just decided to sit back and let it go, which I think was probably the best thing, really, because you can't, you know, if it's one guy there going through, you can't expect him.
He doesn't sit there all day going through posts and fucking things out.
So I think that was perfectly fair to take that attitude.
In a way, it's sort of self-cleaning.
People will get tired of saying stuff like that.
And also, if you don't respond, I mean, Art made the mistake of responding to a few of them, which just stirs things up.
So if you don't respond, that's the best way just to don't give that any oxygen.
That's a great point.
Yeah, as soon as you jump into the fray with them, now you've just legitimized their stance.
Yeah, and it was my attitude when I read some of the stuff.
I thought, well, I'm not going to bother engaging it because they're either mischievous trying to get a response or they're genuine idiots.
And in either way, it's a waste of time trying to engage in them in either way.
But I think a lot of people read this stuff and think, well, this is not the forum that I joined and had a lot of fun with.
It's become something else.
And every now and again, we get this eruption of people from places like Stormfront who like to give us their views on the Holocaust and how we're all wrong about 6 million and all this, telling us about the colour of the gas chambers and everything, proves how it wasn't.
Nice radio.
Yeah, they have all their ideas and it's very boring to read from my perspective.
And I think it gets a I think it gives the site a bad name after a while, but it's his site and he does what he wants with it really.
I don't think it's honestly my place to say.
And if I'm sure, I don't claim to know him at all well, but I'm sure he's the sort of person if you told him your opinion about something, that would be the last thing, last thing you'd be likely to do.
But you've got to sort of respect that it's been going for a number of years and it's a lot of people enjoy it and everything.
And then are these idiots who come along, will they just get aboard and go their merry way after a while, which is probably what will happen.
But yeah, you do read some of the stuff and think, well, this is unpleasant.
It's toxic, to be honest.
And I haven't read a lot of it recently because I don't want to.
And I think you've got that option.
There's always that option of just not getting bothered by it.
I think that's probably the biggest thing you can do.
It doesn't really matter.
Lots of things that are more important.
Yeah, you kind of reminded me right there with my name change that I did.
That was part of my thought process because Belgab was a site that I went to every day for a while until it got to a toxic level that I was like, you know, I'm not getting out of it the same thing I used to.
And the site changes.
It's organic, you know, so it becomes a different thing based on what the readers and posters are doing.
And then I thought, if I come back to it to get involved, I'm not coming back as the same person I was before.
It's going to maintain a very specific entertainment only section of my reading.
And I'm not going to try to, I'm not going to change anyone's minds with anything I say on a podcast with it or with a post that I do.
So I'm going to approach it as a different beast going forward.
And I think that's kind of what you have to do at some point when it gets to you.
Yes, if you're starting to bleed through into your daily life, you're doing something completely different.
You'll think, oh, this bastard that was attacking me on this thread.
Right, yeah.
If you're thinking about that, really, yeah, it's time to take a step back because, yeah, obviously, trying to, if somebody has a pop at me, to be honest, I love it when people have a pop at me.
I wish they do it more often, but I don't think they like the response they get quite often.
If I'm really in the mood to give it back, I don't think they enjoy it particularly.
But no, I do love it when people, especially when they're amusing, if they can make me laugh.
I love that sort of antagonism.
That's the thing.
That's the part of Bellgab that's great because there's such smart people on there that when you can, if I do something dumb or you just want to disagree with what I'm saying, and what you throw at me is actually witty, and it makes me stop and think, oh, wow, this person actually listened to what I said, whether they agree or disagree, and they had something intelligent to send back at me, or just I disagree with their point of view, and what they do is witty at the same time.
I respect that.
I'm totally cool with that.
Because I think I probably had a pop at you a while back.
I think, I can't remember what the reason was.
And I did write you a message saying, I was like, don't take it seriously.
I think I wrote back saying it is what it is.
Don't worry about it.
Yeah, because I don't want people to get the last thing I want is people to get bothered or upset by something.
And I think, well, probably you don't.
I'm pretty sure you didn't, but just in case, don't take this stuff.
Well, that's the thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, the thing is that once you think you're going to change someone's mind on a forum on any internet-based thing, whether it's social media or Bellgab, which I think Bellgab is, it's, you know, it is, it falls into social media like any of those other sites like Facebook or Twitter.
But as soon as you think that you're going to change somebody that is on the other side of a screen, then you've reached a threshold where you need to take a break and rethink what you're doing there.
That reminds me, I got an email forwarded to me from Daniel a few days ago, maybe four days ago, perhaps, and someone wrote saying, you guys have a great show, but it's career suicide if you get too close to MV of Bellgab.com.
You should have listed the long list of successes since then.
I just told Daniel to tell that person, whatever I do on my free time is my own business and no one else's.
Here's the irony: that was MV who sent that message to you.
Probably was.
It probably was MV.
So funny.
Or it was art.
Maybe.
There was another email as well telling me not to be on the show.
I'm not sure why.
That means we're doing something right.
I didn't respond to anyone, really.
I'm sure Daniel didn't convey that message.
But I'm sure that person is finding out now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm not sure why anybody would say that to me, though.
That's kind of dumb.
Yeah.
What's going to happen to you at the end of it?
So you're going to be pursued by that.
What was that film with that Japanese woman that would pop out at you at the end of the day?
The ring.
The ring, that's right.
That's the sort of thing that perhaps is in store for you at the end of the end of the evening.
They've put a hex on you or something.
Well, let us know.
Let us know how that goes.
That might be interesting.
You can do a show about it.
Perhaps we can find out how the whatever her name was.
She called that the television, didn't she, or something?
Spoiler alert at the end of it.
Yeah, if we never hear Michael again after this, then we know it truly was career suicide.
Yeah, someone seriously.
Who do I think will win the Super Bowl?
That's a very unusual question.
But now I want to know your answer.
I'm trying to do the Super Bowl, by the way.
What was that?
What's the Super Bowl?
I need a.
It's the National Football League.
So our American football.
American football.
Yeah.
It's like rugby, is it?
But yeah, lots of concussions.
You don't, you've never watched an NFL game ever?
Oh, for God's sake, no, never, never, no.
Well, you know, I didn't know what the Super Bowl is.
You know, they're trying to bring a team, yes, they try that.
I can't think what that.
I mean, they did have one oh, back 20 years ago.
I think they call themselves the London Monarchs.
It does try.
They try and take it.
There's always a few people that like to get that started, but it would never last for very long.
There just isn't the football, you know, what you would call soccer.
That's soccer, right?
That's the big thing.
And nothing is going to display soccer.
I mean, there's the big, it's the Euro championships at the moment.
So your fans are having brawls with Russian fans in the stands, right?
So it's like MMA along with soccer.
You get a little bit of everything.
By the way, I'm taking Tampa Bay, the Buccaneers, to win the Super Bowl since they're from Florida.
My team were they playing?
They won't be playing for a while.
We've got several months until the league starts.
Oh, I see.
It's not that.
Oh, right.
Yeah, so I don't even know when the hell when the hell are you going to play?
They're never going to win the Super Bowl.
Let's just be honest here.
Come on.
That's never going to happen.
And other news, by the way, I did want to get your guys' opinion on this.
Recently, I found out that Mr. Donald Trump now is a born-again Christian.
And did Jesus roll over in his grave when he found that out?
Well, he met with plenty of these evangelists, these evangelical Christians.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
That's what I had found out recently.
And do you think this is more trolling on Trump's part, or is he being real?
I think at this point, Trump is like the true trolling Manchurian candidate.
10 years ago, he planted in his own brain this whole thing that he's going to run for president.
He's going to do all this different stuff.
And it was all a joke.
But unfortunately, the programming got activated.
So he doesn't even know that he's trolling himself.
You know, he's been using lots of WWE-style politics for a while, and he's been getting over.
It's been pretty wild to see.
Yeah.
Did you notice his numbers at a recent poll that he's dropped by double digits against Hillary?
Yeah, I saw that.
And that's interesting.
Very interesting.
Who are you going to vote for, if that's okay?
Can you tell us?
At this point, I have no idea.
Probably the Libertarian candidate, Gary Johnson, is most likely who I'll vote for.
But I don't know.
This year is just crazy.
If I could just take a year off, I almost would in terms of voting.
I'm a libertarian myself, and I don't know who the hell I would vote for.
I don't like any of these people.
I've said this before plenty of times on the program.
I'm just not sold on any of these people.
Yeah.
But it's the best to be got, though.
It's the best we got.
Are any of you familiar with a man called Stefan Molyneux?
Have you ever come across him on YouTube?
He's someone who's libertarian, was anarchist, really.
He's always going on about Trump at the moment.
And he's, I don't know, as far as I'm concerned, he's completely off his rocker.
But yeah, he does a lot of banging the drum for Trump.
I don't know.
What is a different libertarian and anarchist?
Are they just the same?
Just that anarchist just sounds a bit more.
An anarchist is someone who litters, basically.
That's kind of litters.
Yeah, they litter.
That's what an anarchist in the 21st century does nowadays.
Well, they set up camps outside of Wall Street.
That too.
Yeah.
And they're the ones who are fighting about $15 minimum wage.
Those are the anarchists of today.
Yeah, but that's the problem with social media is that labels that actually had some power behind them in the past have lost them totally, haven't they?
Yeah, they have.
They have.
Yeah, I would say that the biggest difference between an anarchist and a libertarian is regular showers.
That's true.
It's kind of funny nowadays, but it is pretty accurate.
Well, we got 30 minutes to the season finale of Games of Thrones.
So no spoilers because I haven't watched it yet.
I haven't watched an episode since last season.
Oh, really?
Eventually I'll come back to it, but I've been watching the show The Preacher, and that's been badass.
Oh, that's a good one.
I haven't watched that yet.
I need to.
So it's good.
I love it.
I just, I think it's perfect.
Did you read the comics?
I'm a comic geek, so I got to ask.
Did you read the comics?
No, I found out later on that it is based on a comic, a comic, and a great comic I've read.
Well, I didn't read it.
I heard about it that it was a great comic.
So perhaps I'll read some of it because there's shows that, you know, like The Walking Dead, it's based on a comic book.
And most people don't even know that.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah, that would be something cool to check out too.
But The Preacher, you guys got to check that out.
Great, great show.
There's lots of Quentin Tarantino influence involved in there.
You could kind of get that feel.
That's cool.
Yeah, it's a really good thing.
And I believe Seth Rogan directed that.
Yeah, he's the producer.
Yeah, he's the producer.
And I don't even like Seth Rogen at all.
It's Seth Rogen.
He's the guy who shows up in all the...
Yeah, he's the guy that plays the same stoner in every movie.
Yeah.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah.
I can't think of a movie I've seen of his that I remember him in.
You know, like I remember seeing lots of trailers of movies he's going to be in.
He's a character actor.
Yeah.
It's what I label him.
And I just, I can't stand them either.
I just don't give a shit about Seth Rogan.
But The Preacher, goddamn, is that good?
It's really good.
God damn it.
It's good.
Did you watch Constantine?
I sure the hell did.
You know I did.
Yeah, I say I really liked that.
Like the movie Constantine was good in its own right, but not nearly to the level of a comic book, but the TV show was a lot better.
I didn't see the TV show, but the movie, that was amazing.
Yeah.
Keanu Reeves, I mean, that guy, he needs more credit.
That's probably one of the nicest people in Hollywood ever.
Have you seen John Wick?
I sure did.
Yeah, that's a good movie.
Yeah, I was so impressed by that because I expected from all the things I'd heard from critics that this movie was going to suck.
But I'll watch anything Keanu Reeves is in.
He could be on QVC and I'm watching.
I'm probably buying something.
So like 10 minutes into that movie.
No, sorry, not 10 minutes into it, but 10 minutes into him actually getting into the action of it.
I was like, yeah, dude, I don't know how this thing got bad reviews because this is like the first zombie movie I've watched that isn't zombies.
Like he was double tap with every single person.
Every shot was a kill shot to the head.
Well, there's different movies that other people like to put over instead of an action movie like that one.
You know, they probably would have picked, let's say, Brokeback Mountain over that film.
That movie was based off MVNI.
We spent a summer in the mountains.
That's why I brought it up, by the way.
Yeah.
Well, I'm glad you did because yeah, we really we don't talk about that often, but you know how Whitley and Art they licensed the Global Coming Superstorm.
We actually called ours the Global Coming, and it was licensed as Brokeback Mountain.
That's hilarious.
He doesn't like to talk about that often because we got lots of money off of it.
Well, I mean, you guys have to know your listener fan base and hope they can get behind you guys.
Well, there's only one person I want behind me.
MB?
Well, yeah.
Yeah, well, he'll be behind you.
All right, no doubt.
And we're all good.
I have to ask SV, what do you guys think of Game of Thrones?
Or what do you think of Game of Thrones?
Well, actually, I read the books a few years ago, and I started watching the TV series.
I didn't even get to the I can't remember which series had the Red Wedding in it, but I started watching just before that.
And it's always struck me as a case of a writer who started off really well with the first book, which was a really interesting book, and it's gradually got thinner and thinner over it.
And I think there's no wonder that he's struggling to get the series completed, because I think he's run out of ideas.
And they're beyond the books now in this season.
Yeah, the last two books.
He's obviously, you know, he's opening up all these different storylines because I don't think he knows how to bring it to a satisfying conclusion.
You're probably right.
Yeah, he's trying to stream out now that as you say, the series has taken over and they're taking it their own way.
that they probably need to because he's obviously never going to get get his ass into here anymore you know you'll probably end up when you look at the stage of him he'll probably end up dying before the as um there's a guy they keep mentioning something called robert jordan who wrote a series called i think it was the wheel of time which i i haven't read I'm not that interested in fantasy, but he died before somebody had to complete the series.
But it started, but it's really interesting with those different perspectives.
Jazz in the chat said there's too much female nudity for you.
Yeah, I did see that.
Well, actually, it started off, there was a lot of, they obviously were, they cast the actresses not for their acting ability, but for, you know, what they look like with their tops off.
That actually came at least...
That came sort of to an end, didn't it?
After a couple of series, I think it got a bad reputation.
And the amount of nudity, I don't know, maybe they've amped up the nudity again, but by the time I stopped watching it, it sort of shrunk down to not very much.
Well, the night is dark and full of terror.
Why?
Yeah, she would.
She's changed, isn't she?
The red-headed one.
She's a different actress now, isn't she?
It's the same actress.
Is it?
It is, yeah.
But there is some, without giving spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen it, there was some information about her revealed that would make you think it was a different actress, I guess.
I like that redhead, by the way.
She was delicious.
You would support the Lord of Light if you got to hang out with her?
Yeah, I would have to perhaps put a baby in that oven.
I might have to keep her necklace on there.
Yes, you definitely wanted to keep her necklace on in that case.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, it's I don't know.
I started to sort of lose interest.
But did what's her name?
The wife of Catelyn Stark.
Yeah, did she come back?
In the book, she came back as a kind of reanimated zombie.
Is she in the series now?
Or had they not included that?
I thought that was an interesting...
I thought they really missed...
I wondered if they hadn't included her.
I thought they thought Mr. Trick, she comes back as this sort of vengeful zombie in the books, which I thought was pretty good.
It's kind of monkey's paw-like, right?
Where they bring her back, but she's not necessarily the same as she was before because she died.
That's right.
Yes, and she ends up stringing up Brienne of Tarth and they sort of kick away the chair or something.
And that's all we know in the books.
So I don't know.
It'd be interesting how they're going to resolve with you having a completely different series to the books.
Or is the book is going to have to follow the series now?
Well, they're just going to be totally different.
Yeah.
They're just going to diverge completely.
But I thought that's a shame that they haven't put that in.
I had no idea that HBO was suing Pornhub for posting Game of Thrones sex scenes.
Oh, really?
I guess that would make them mad.
Thank you, chat, for that.
Yeah, I guess the sex scenes in Game of Thrones are very steamy that Pornhub is uploading them straight to the fantasy section of its XXX clip website.
Well, Jasmund and I have been working on a treatment for a new movie called Game of Bones.
And it's just sex from beginning to the end.
I think that'll work.
That will sell quite a few thousand copies, I believe.
Sweet.
Yeah, you know, that reminds me.
I hate to switch gears here on all of you out there, but I'm sure many of you are very, very familiar with the very popular dating website, paranormaldate.com.
And I was wondering your opinions, all of you guys out there, who you guys think is actually on there.
That's a host of Coast to Coast AM.
I know there's got to be.
And which host do you think is a member?
That's easy.
The first one is George Norrie.
You think he's there?
I thought, well, you know, he's married.
I don't think he's on paranormaldate.com.
You've heard of the website, Ashley Madison, right?
I sure have.
That's his paranormal date.
Ah, that is.
You're right.
That's true.
George Nori is married.
I thought he was single for some reason.
I don't know.
No, he's married.
Okay, so wait.
So you saw a wedding ring on his hand, right?
No, he talked about it.
I don't.
Well, maybe he did have a wedding ring.
I was going to say.
Being a red-headed, just average guy of all, you know, I don't have like supermodels coming up to me typically.
I look too much like Opie or Ron Howard for many women to come after me.
But then I get married and put a wedding ring on.
And I'm telling you, supermodels from everywhere are coming to talk to me.
That's also something I heard that's very true, that you can go into a bar and rock a wedding ring, and actually you attract quite a few different females.
They'll want to talk about that.
And so I think George is probably pretty smart about that.
Even if he's not married, he's got the ring on.
Yeah, you're probably right.
And I don't really check the hands of anyone, really, but that's probably a good observation to have to see who's really doing what.
And you know, with paranormaldate.com, I wish I had done this, but right after I heard about it, I went and saw that the web domain paranormal.date was available.
You should have bought that.
I wish I had because I don't know if it's available anymore, but I would have loved to have created that as a spoof website.
I'm going to answer my own question here.
I think Richard Serrett is probably on paranormaldate.com.
Nice.
I don't know why I get that feeling, but I think he's on there trolling.
Whether you think he's got a, what's his profile say?
That he likes long strolls with UFO abducted.
I don't know, whatever.
He could read to you for long hours into the night.
Yes.
And then caress your body once you go to sleep.
Would you like to know what it's like with a shadow person?
Well, date me.
There you go.
That's a good pitch, too.
And there's also a conspiracy date as well.
Oh, can you imagine what it would be like to date somebody?
Oh, there is a conspiracy date.
Oh, my God.
Can you imagine going on a date with somebody who's conspiracy-minded?
Like, that you don't know each other, so you didn't grow up or come into conspiracies together where you at least have some baseline together.
Like, just think about all the different problems that would happen if the person you're dating is a borderline paranoid conspiracy theorist.
They're saying that Sarah is married, but guess what?
So is John Travolta, and you know how that's playing out.
Well, he how dare you.
Oh, well, let me let me okay.
How dare I?
Well, let me let me uh let me break it down.
John Travolta has plenty of male masseuses.
It's just a coincidence.
That's all.
Let me just, you know, to be honest, I don't really struck with this kind of slurring of celebrities.
Well, let me let me just tell you the facts here.
And I like to be backed by the facts, and that's all I come with.
So, with that said, John Travolta would take a plane, a long plane ride out here to visit a police officer, a very young police officer at the time.
What was his name?
I don't remember the man's name.
I can't disclose that.
Well, I don't know what I can't disclose it.
Yeah.
Conspiracy date, Duck.
Conspiracy.
But believe me.
Wait, Michael's recording this for his intro for conspiracydate.com.
I am going.
I'm recording this.
Let me continue.
So, yes, there was plenty of times.
There was even eyewitnesses from other police officers who saw John Travolta and another fellow police officer in what could only be described as two men engaging in a friendly relationship.
Were they wrestling?
Grego Roche.
Well, he had his hand around the guy's shoulder for a little bit too long.
It seemed like he was doing much more than just disclosing his everyday life with the fellow police officer.
And he visited this young police officer various times in Alcentro.
Yes.
Wow.
Various times.
And it's not the only celebrity that I've seen down here picking up on innocent civilians.
I've also seen Jamie Foxx.
He came out here and he was messing with a few of these women out here, a few blonde women.
And one of them I just happened to know personally.
So interesting, interesting.
It's small world.
What you need to do is grab a camera and make like 20 bucks on TMZ.com with some photos.
That's true.
And speaking of these people, we also mentioned Keanu Reeves, who was also down here in Colexico, which is a couple of miles from Alcentro.
And he was out here filming a movie.
I also believe, what's that gentleman's name?
Very popular guy, very popular guy.
He came out in Pineapple Express.
Oh, Franco.
James Franco.
James Franco.
He was also out here in Brawley.
And Sean Effis knows all about Brawley, too.
Yes, right.
And he was out.
He was out there.
He was out there picking up on a few young women, too.
James Franco seems like a cool guy to hang out.
Yeah, the Bella twins are from there.
Very pretty women in that area around there.
I can see why some of those actors go there.
I don't know about the handsome men, but a very pretty woman.
Well, there's some handsome men too, according to John.
Of course.
Well, and some great masuses, probably too.
I'm going to bring this up because it caught my eye.
A.K. Willie said Bell Gab is basically a paranormal date without the sex or murder.
If that was the sales pitch, I'm not signing up.
Well, it's going to turn into a Christian Mingle eventually, where you guys are going to have some sort of killer.
Well, you know, Kristen Mingle, there's probably so much action happening on that site, like more than you could imagine.
I'm sure there's lots of sacrifices going on on that website.
Meet all these people there.
Will you be our Alex Jones and go on a Christian Mingle date?
I'm thinking about doing that.
I'm thinking about joining Conspiracy Date and hooking up with one of these women and giving you the 411.
Possibly wanting to interview the woman.
I think that's even more interesting, in my opinion.
Who, like, let's talk to these girls who actually sign up for these things.
Who are these women?
And why can't they find themselves a normal guy?
I mean, a good normal bell gabber to spend some time with.
Yeah, why can't you date a handsome bell gabber?
Because it doesn't exist.
Oh, how dare you?
There's plenty of good stock at Bell Gab.
I mean, you don't need to go to conspiracydate.com.
You can just go to Bell Gab and pick yourself up, your future wife, husband.
Did someone start a dating thread on Bell Gab once?
Yes.
I thought they did, but the authorities shut it down quickly when they realized that we would breed together.
That's still funny.
Center for Disease Control.
Yes.
There was an outbreak of potential DNA sharing there that was not allowed.
It was not approved.
Oh, my God.
That's too funny.
How about that?
We need to create DNA swap.com.
It's a dating site for people who don't want to have all the other minutiae of a relationship.
Michael, tell us your best hookup story.
Oh, no.
Let's not do that.
Oh, yes, let's go there.
No.
Oh, you guys are putting my stalker story.
Oh, you want the stalker story?
I'm hoping they both go hand in hand.
I hope the stalker story starts off as the best hookup story.
The stalker, I'm sure she wanted to do plenty of hand-on-hand action.
A little tug job there, I'm sure.
But she was kind of worried, I guess.
I'm not sure why.
But let me just take you back many, many moons ago when I was about to graduate from high school.
I spoke to some random girl I barely knew, and she had told me a personal friend of hers, I guess, almost like a best friend of hers.
I guess this girl used to drive by my house at least twice a day.
That's called stalking pre-stage.
For about four, maybe eight months, to be exact.
And I asked her, why couldn't she just talk to me or why you can't disclose any info on who this woman is or this girl rather is?
And I could talk to her and just say hi to her.
Maybe I could help her move on like she's some sort of ghost, you know, some sort of spirit.
You got to help her pass on.
But no, she wouldn't tell me who this girl was.
And it's kind of weird to find out later on that somebody was driving by your house that many times for eight months.
Yeah, that's a little bit farther than the coincidence.
And I'm sure she probably walked by my house, probably was in my backyard, maybe.
Who really knows?
You know, there's all you didn't know who this person was.
You'd never met him before.
I never met her before.
And this female was telling me all about her, how this girl would come at the house and this and that.
Yeah, that music was playing.
Play Mithy for me.
Talk slow.
Don't talk dirty, you're all about Gabcast.
317-7084500.
Call in now.
Yeah, baby.
Touch me.
Don't touch me.
I'm just joking.
But yeah.
But walk past this house, please.
This woman, I don't know, or this girl rather, would go to my house and I never knew who she was.
And I always felt that this girl would pop out of the bushes one day and probably stab me or something because, you know, these women, they commit these crimes out of love and passion.
And she probably would have walked away after killing me.
You know how the whole court system works out here.
They're going to believe the woman over the man.
It was your fault for being so sexy as you walk down the street.
Exactly.
They would have blamed it on me and she would have walked away with doing it.
You have all those hot-blooded Latina ladies down there.
They can get quite jealous.
Well, that wasn't disclosed if she was a Mexican girl or a Caucasian or an Asian or even or even a black girl.
I don't know.
It was never told to me.
And I wish it was because, God damn, don't you want to find out who these people are?
Don't you want to find out who goes to paranormaldate.com?
Don't you want to know?
You know, that's what we're counting on you for.
This is exactly why the world needs Michael because you need to go find out for us.
I need to find out for you.
Yeah.
I'll be your reporter of Belt Gab for life.
I want to call you R Alex Jones, okay?
Yes, I have the data.
Well, actually, that's how that.
Yeah, I have the documents rather.
Can't you do it 19.5 times, though?
I could try.
I could try.
Yeah, like we could start a new thread.
Best pick up lines on paranormaldate.com.
Well, you know, we need Shredney to be the voice of it, though, because he's going to bring all the ladies in.
Gabcast Prober.
That's what I could be.
Well, it goes without saying.
I'd actually Yorkshire put up.
Oh, Yorkshire.
His favorite chess of that line, he sort of shuffles up to women in bars and says, you know, do you have any Yorkshire in you?
And, you know, would you like some?
That's always the one.
Apparently, it works every time.
100% of the time it works every time.
Absolutely.
But you know, those Yorkshire puddings deflate very quickly if you're not careful.
I don't know.
I've never been that close to him.
But I know these Skype sessions of yours get pretty tired.
But he says, yeah, he's always got those little blue pills to keep him going.
Well, if you're charging $9.99 a minute for your Skype calls, then you're doing something right.
This conversation turned very tawdry very quickly.
I don't know.
It did, didn't it?
Responsible for that, but I'm all in favor of it anyway.
Well, it tends to happen every now and then.
Sometimes we're going to be talking about random things here.
I would like to not think anytime topics like this come up and I'm involved in it, that's paranormal on its own.
Yeah, it is paranormal.
It always is.
And once again, I'm back to thinking about paranormaldate.com and farmersmeet.com.
Farmers.
What is the farmers one?
You know, my sister said she actually went on a date off that website once.
I got to find the commercial for that.
Can I interview your sister?
Wait, you did that in air quotes.
You want to air quote, interview her?
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
I want to find out what makes her tick.
Okay, hold on here.
Let's see if I can get this without.
I'm finding out the root of the issue here.
She's really lonely and out walking the cornfield again.
Do you think they will ever find this true love?
These are cows talking.
We used to be lonely.
Until we met on Farmers Only.
FarmersOnly.com is the new online dating site for farmers, ranchers, and good old country folks.
You don't have to be lonely at farmersonly.com.
City folks just don't get it.
Tonight's podcast.
Cow singing the girls part.
You don't have to be lonely.
You have to go out to the barn.
Yeah, this podcast tonight was brought to you by Bobo.
I'm guessing that the slogan is four eggs good, two eggs bad, isn't it?
For the farmers' dating site?
Sounds like that sort of thing.
They come with their own fleece, usually, the takes.
Yeah.
Please tell me you guys don't have websites like that over there.
I'm pretty sure.
We used to actually use a very popular entertainment level in this country.
We used to have a show called probably still going, actually, called One Man and His Dog.
You just watch some old guy with a stick rounding up some sheep.
I mean, literally, that would be Sunday evening entertainment just after Songs of Praise where people just sing hymns for an hour.
So, yeah.
Thank God for the internet.
Yes, that's it.
It's One Man and His Dog.
There you go.
There's dating apps, by the way, that are popular, like Grinder.
That's for the homosexuals out there.
And then there's Tinder for the straight man.
How many people have mixed up those apps?
I'm sure plenty of times.
I'm sure a bunch of times, really.
But I was going to say, they have Tinder and Grinder out there in the UK.
Of course.
So those are the popular ones.
And Plenty of Fish is another one.
People use these left and right.
And again, I always wonder who the hell are these people?
And that's why I want to interview your sister, Chefist.
I want to find out why on earth she would do this.
Yeah, she did it a few times, but had some pretty bizarre experiences.
A few times.
She didn't.
Yeah, she did.
I think she did match once, and then she did the farmers one, and maybe another one.
I'm not for sure.
I've got a clip of George Nori talking about paranormal date.
Let's listen to this for a moment.
Let's see if it's any good.
You know, George, I've seen you at a lot of events, and we've talked before.
And I just want to compliment you.
As much recognition as you've gained in your career, and as in demand as your time is, you have remained one of the nicest people in the business.
The heck with you, Ron.
No, I'm kidding.
Of course.
Thank you.
Yeah, I'm on it here.
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
You're very kind to people on the air, and you're very kind to people in person.
And there was a lot of talk today about how part of the new paradigm really is developing that kindness with each other and that not wanting to be aggressive anymore and changing the whole way people relate to each other.
How do you feel about the new paradigm?
What does it look like to you?
Ronnie, the times are changing.
In the old days, as you just pointed out, people were uptight.
They didn't treat each other.
Okay, so this must be his anti-bellgap diatribe.
I want to let him keep going, but any comments?
Good morning.
Good evening.
Wherever you may be.
Sorry.
I was pretending that was George there.
Yeah.
The right way.
I think that's changing.
I mean, I'm starting to see now more people opening doors for other people, stopping on the side of the road to help somebody else.
Not on Bellgash.
Things are changing.
People are becoming more aware that life is about helping other people.
So, George, with some of the obstacles and challenges facing humanity, there's also a lot of positive news.
Have you heard anything that really gives you a lot of hope for the future?
Yeah, I think people care about other people.
I mean, they're beginning to become more knowledgeable about world events.
Look, don't get me wrong.
There are groups out there that want to take advantage of other people.
We see that in wars.
We see that with the industrial military complex.
But more and more people are becoming aware of this, and I think they're going to fight back.
Were you here today?
Did you see some of the lectures?
Yeah, I popped in really excited about with some great guests.
This entire event over the last couple.
Such a small world.
I was at Forrest Ackerman.
Partner finished paranormal, and he was putting the finishing touches on the website.
And he says, George and I are going to roll this out in just a day or two.
And so I talked to him about that, and we all talked about it for a little bit.
And now Paranormal Data is a couple months old.
How's that working?
Approaching 35,000 members of a lot of people who are interested in the unusual.
It's got a companion.
Okay, so Paranormal Data is people who are interested in the unusual.
Let's just stop there.
35,000?
Wow.
Yeah.
Do you guys want to hear more of this or have to remember?
You want me to keep going?
What do you boys think?
More Nori or total silence?
I mean, is there really a choice?
Okay, we'll go total silence.
That's fine.
People are opening doors for each other.
It's like Charlie Brown's teaching with me.
It's just this word salad.
I don't really hear anything interesting at all when he starts speaking.
So it just goes in one ear and out the other.
He has a very sort of odd way of speaking.
I just barely take in a single word he says.
It's just the whole merges into one stream of crap, really, for me.
I posted a link to the video in the chat because it's really funny when you get to the point where the guy is giving him his introduction, being all super ass-kissing about it, and then Nori makes his comment about he's done with him.
Just the look on the guy's face is worth watching.
Oh, that's funny.
Yeah, I'm going to watch that now.
Oh, my goodness.
So you guys never had any crazy stalkers in your life?
I've had a – actually, let me double-check here.
Shephis, are you still there?
Yeah, I'm here.
Okay, because I think we're having a connection issue.
Okay, we're hanging up.
No, it's okay.
No, you're good.
I just want to make sure you're still there.
I saw the message saying I was putting you guys on hold, but it didn't look like you really were.
So Skype just sucks.
Unfortunately for me, my stalker story isn't nearly as exciting, I guess, because it wasn't a girl going past my house constantly.
It was another guy with the same name as me who happened to also host a paranormal, a ghost-related podcast out of Alabama, who was mad at me for registering my domain name first or registering both of our name first.
And he wanted it, so he would threaten to burn my house down.
Oh, my God.
Oh, yeah, he'd send me a message.
Yeah, I would get messages regularly from him saying that he knows where I live.
He knows he's going to come up to my house and burn it down if I don't give him the domain name.
And he'd give me ultimatums on how much time there would be until that would happen.
And I would forward them to the FBI who was like, yeah, okay, whatever.
I think I got automated responses every time.
So then I go and look up his information and find out.
I see who this guy is.
And it turns out he's a police officer in Alabama.
And yeah.
So like all good web geeks, I have Google alerts set up for my actual name.
And so I get a, I start seeing all kinds of searches happening for my name.
And so I go search for it too.
And this guy gets arrested for burning houses down in Alabama while he was on duty as a police officer.
Oh, my dear Lord.
Yeah.
And so he's in prison now.
But for several years, he would send me just the nastiest messages about what he was going to do.
And he knew all about me because he was a police officer, can find out my information.
So they would get to be very personal messages.
And it was crazy.
And then to find out that the guy actually did burn houses down, they were, yeah, I mean, it was just crazy.
Yeah, see, I only had a run-in with someone like that, but I wasn't too sure if they were going to really do what they said they were going to do.
Many years ago, on Daniel's form, it's a mixed martial arts form.
We would do lots of trolling to each other on that website.
And I was one of the most relentless trolls there where I would just constantly just troll you.
And it was to a point where this guy got my number and actually left a voicemail on my phone on my actual landline phone.
Oh, my.
Yeah, I don't know how the hell he got that number, but he did.
And he threatened to carbon me too.
Oh, really?
Yeah, it was pretty scary.
You know, I've told this story before on one of the podcasts in the past, but do you remember Nextel phones?
Of course, I have.
Okay, where you could push the button and do it like a walkie-talkie.
Yes, I had the black one, right?
Okay.
So somehow my ID number for that, someone had had it in the past or some wrong numbers.
I would get called from people on that pretty regularly that were obviously not to get to me.
And so like I would just play along with them when they would call in or they would call me.
But one night I had a guy, it was probably two or three in the morning, hits me up on it.
And like on those, you could just start talking if you had it set that way on speaker.
The person could just start talking to you.
And so the guy says, I know what you were doing with my girlfriend.
Where are you?
I'm going to kick your ass.
And so I jumped back on it and said, okay, I'm standing in my front yard.
I'm ready to go now.
And you're right.
I have been doing all that.
And so I had like a 10-minute argument with this guy about what he was going to do to me and what I was going to do.
And he's like, I know where you live and I'm on my way.
And I was like, I'm standing right here waiting, man.
I'm ready to go.
Let's do this.
Let's finish it.
She loves me.
She doesn't love you.
And I just, I hope that that guy found the person he was looking for.
I hope so, too.
That's a funny one.
I'd get that kind of stuff all the time on that Next Tel.
Like I would have people who were trying to get directions to some location.
So they would call someone that they thought they were going to say, like, yeah, you want to turn right at the stop sign.
You'll see the church on the left.
Go about two miles past that and you'll see a Walmart.
And that's where my house is.
It's right beside that.
By the way, someone wants me to touch on Norland and Dard Sandra.
The love triangle?
Yeah, I see that.
I don't know.
I don't understand what love triangle.
I don't know.
It's nice to know that there might be a love story happening out of Belgab, though.
What kind of love story?
I don't know.
That's the first I've heard of it.
There's many different kinds of love stories.
Not all love stories have happy endings, and that's the good reason.
That's true.
And not the kind of happy endings I enjoy.
Usually the stories with a good happy ending for me cost me like 20 bucks.
Yeah, $25 sometimes, too.
Yeah, well, inflation or looks, both could affect the price.
Definitely, definitely.
And of course, is it safe to say that we are coming to a close on the program here?
So maybe if you guys want to call in, go ahead and do that now before we wrap it up.
317-708-4500.
I'm going to hang up so you guys can take other calls.
Thanks, guys.
Yeah, thanks for calling in.
Oh, and by the way, when's your podcast going to start?
And he hung up.
Yeah, good timing.
Because, yeah, he definitely needs to get going.
He needs to get chefist, call Keith Rowland now.
You're going to be the next live sensation.
There you go.
I think he has it in him.
I agree.
I think he would be able to put on a good show about a wide range of topics.
Same here.
Hopefully, he takes our word of advice and runs with it.
Definitely.
And the chat room's behind him, too.
Yeah, the chat room loves it.
Yeah, so Michael, what can we be looking forward to with End of Days Radio coming up?
Any cool things?
All sorts of great guests are coming up.
And yeah, it's a show that's not going to stop.
I see myself moving forward with it and trying to expand it and make it bigger every show.
And that's just kind of the vision of the program.
Just keep going and not stop.
Keep trying to convey some sort of truth and be true to myself and true to the listeners out there, not give them any sort of false hope either.
That's one thing that other shows out there try to do, push off some false sense of hope.
That's something I don't want to push on the listeners out there.
I don't want to be something I'm not either.
I think that comes through, too.
I mean, being yourself and being unique is something that listeners want, you know, that it's going to bring more people to you.
I definitely think so as well.
So the future of the show is strong and bright, while the future of other shows are probably not so bright.
Yeah, and you've had over 100 episodes, right?
Didn't you just recently?
103, I think.
103.
Okay.
And Chef has just reminded me in the chat room about you guys have a new forum, too.
Oh, yeah, we have a new form there.
Just go to endofdaysradio.com.
And I think to the right side where it says chat, you could find the official form.
And I'm not telling you guys not to post on Belgab or anything like that.
You could be a part of both forms, really.
It's not a big deal.
You can love both places equally or love Belgab more, which is fine with me because I love Belgab.
It's all good.
Nice.
So last night, did you guys figure out with your guest?
Because you had a good one on.
Did she tell what was actually in the 9-11 papers?
Did she know?
She didn't really get too much into it.
And part of the reason why is because we talked a lot about Egypt.
And she was talking about, you know, first of all, we were supposed to only be talking about 9-11 only.
And then all of a sudden, we are starting, we started talking about Contact in the Desert and Robert Baval.
And that's when she started disclosing certain things about Egypt and how she wants to find the Temple of Isis.
And she talked about Orion's belt pointing towards it.
And she, you know, these things I didn't think she was going to talk about on the air because the way I understood it, she was trying to be kind of secretive about this sort of thing.
And so you guys got the break news of what she.
Yeah, exactly.
So that's why I even told her during the interview, I was like, wow, I can't believe you're saying this.
Because I thought she was trying to keep it low, but apparently not.
Something came over her.
So Egypt was the primary topic there for about an hour almost.
It was she heard your voice and she just couldn't help herself anymore.
She had to just give away all of her secrets.
Yeah, she just had to do it.
Or maybe it was Daniel.
Or maybe it was Daniel.
You never know.
But I was actually supposed to meet her at Contact in Desert.
And I feel bad because I was in the same building as her, probably only a few feet away from her.
And I didn't even see her.
I didn't even recognize her.
Oh, really?
Yeah, it was kind of sad.
How many people were there, like, in total?
I mean, do you have a guess or an estimate of?
I would say a few thousand were there, probably.
Yeah, a few thousand were there, give or take.
And I expect it to be bigger next year because it's not going to be so close to summer.
Oh, when is it?
Is it going to be fall or spring?
Maybe a month ahead.
Okay.
I still think there needs to be a gab cast contingent there and a live show.
A live show from there would be great.
Maybe you should spearhead that for us.
Hey, well, if I could get a booth there, I'd be down and do a live show.
Nice.
There was a few people that were there and they had a booth and it made me think, well, why can't I have a booth there?
How dare you?
Right.
If you can have one, why not me?
That's what I was saying.
You know, why the hell not?
Yeah.
Well, didn't everybody's best friend, Jimmy Church, didn't he used to do live shows there?
Maybe he's still done.
Yeah, he still does.
He's still doing a show right there next to the restroom.
That's the best.
That was a great photo, by the way.
Yeah.
Credit to whoever took that one.
You know, actually, I would demand that mine would be right by the crapper.
That's good stuff.
Yeah.
Okay.
I met him, by the way, that night.
Oh, really?
Yeah, he was a nice guy.
I believe that he's probably off-air personality-wise, when you're just having a conversation with him, he's probably not too bad.
He started off as a sports guy, too, didn't he?
Yeah, he was a sports guy.
And that's what I'm saying.
I'm sure he's a nice guy.
I'm not really sure.
I've heard other things, but then again, I've heard other things about myself.
And those rumors are true, by the way.
Just make sure you spell my name right.
M-I-C-H-A-E-L.
So, yeah.
So, no, I didn't meet him in the restroom.
No, that's a different Jimmy I met in the restroom.
And Chef, you really need to start your own program.
You need to knock it off and run with the ball here.
Get yourself a good microphone and someone.
You need to find yourself a Keith Rowland, someone you could push around.
That's true.
Yeah, someone you could make do things for you.
You need to find yourself a Keith Rowland.
And I'm not that guy, by the way.
I'm not Keith Rowland, so don't look at me.
Just what you need to do is send a PM to MV and tell him that you want him to be your Keith Rowland.
Yeah, tell him that you need him to be your Keith Rowland and your Enrique Enrique Inglesias, too.
Yes, just if he invites you to the mountain, remember that's his and mine.
You cannot have that.
Exactly.
And one thing I forgot to mention here was, and I wanted your opinion on this, Curtis.
I play some Michael Jackson tunes every now and then during the break.
And I had seen these recent reports from, I think it was Santa Barbara Sheriff's Office that released these documents from the court case.
And our boy Michael was a sick bastard.
Yeah, could you believe the stuff?
I guess in his bathroom and bedroom, they had...
Oh, you saw that?
Yeah.
Like he had a complete stash of all kinds of, was it videos and pictures?
Photos of underage kids.
Yeah.
And wasn't he into like violent porn?
Yes.
Yes.
Pictures of animals being cut open and shit.
Yeah.
I mean, just think if we had heard that stuff back when his trials were going on.
Really wish we did because it really makes me question if I should play his music.
And that's what I was getting at.
Do you think I should continue to play his music after all of that?
So the only reason I would say not to play the music is if it was proven that he was doing those things while recording it.
Otherwise, I separate the two.
Well, I mean, he did have an amusement park and he was known to sleep with kids on his bed.
He kind of said it on that ABC interview.
To me, the smoking gun in all of this was just look at Macaulay Calkin.
But are you that surprised, though, that he did these things?
I'm not.
Well, yeah, that's the thing.
Like, Macaulay Calkin was like a calling sign to Michael Jackson is not right many years ago.
He said he was weird, right?
Yeah.
And so, but the thing is, too, that you have to separate the weird from their artistic contribution.
So, I mean, if you go back and look at most of the people who do transcendent artistic things, they're not right in the head anyway.
They're not.
So if I were to judge them by their character outside of their creation, then I wouldn't be able to listen to anything or watch.
Like, I'm sure most of the craziest actors in my favorite movies, the Big Lebowski, everyone involved in that is probably so whacked in the head that if I were to judge them by it, I couldn't watch the movie anymore.
Yeah, I hear you.
Yeah.
So I say if Michael Jackson fits the mood for the night, still play it.
Yeah, that's tough.
That's a tough one.
Yeah, maybe just let it take a break for a little bit after this, though.
I'm going to have to let it chill for a minute.
You know, I would play some of Jackson, the old Jackson 5 stuff.
I think that's still fine.
Yeah.
Well, you know what you should do is just switch to Jermaine Jackson for a while.
Jermaine Jackson.
Yeah.
God.
Another one.
That whole family is just batshit crazy.
Oh, yeah.
Like, I remember I had the poster of Janet Jackson on my wall where she was topless and had the guy holding her chest.
Oh, yeah.
And the more you hear about her and the crazy secret life she's had, wow, she's messed up just as much.
I mean, it's the Jackson curse.
And the crazy thing is they're from Indiana, so they're from the same state I'm in.
So I'm not all that surprised that they're messed up.
They were all into all sorts of weird drugs.
Yeah.
I mean, could you imagine being a kid who went to school with one of the Jackson family?
I mean, and then like you come over to their house to hang out and there's Michael doing whatever he's doing and Janet being weird.
And there's Joe Jackson beating the shit out of Jermaine.
Yes.
Yeah.
Christmas at their house probably was not something you wanted to be a part of.
My God.
I bet.
That's just insane.
What's happened to the 80s, though?
Like, you've got Bill Cosby now is disgraced.
Michael Jackson, we're that's Pill Cosby, by the way.
Bill Cosby, yes.
Now I know why I like Jell-O so much.
Oh, no.
It's weird.
I'd eat Jell-O and then I'd wake up and think, huh, something feels different.
What happened?
You felt like Whitley Striber when you woke up?
Yeah.
Why do I feel like I just had a communion with something?
I don't know.
It's weird.
But it tasted good.
And Fat Albert, you know, who doesn't love Fat Albert?
I don't know anyone who doesn't.
Yeah.
WR250 in the chat says in the 80s, cocaine became addictive.
I guess that answers the question of why all these people were crazy like they were.
You got to blame the cocaine.
It's the cocaine's fault.
I switched from cocaine to turmeric.
I feel it's way healthier.
Well, and you know, it probably really helps to bring the stalkers too when you switch to turmeric.
Turmeric, yeah.
It brings other ladies to the yard.
I was in the bathroom at snorting turmeric.
Yeah, I was snorting lines of turmeric in the bathroom.
Sharing lines with some of the unsuspecting victims there.
I had my supply of, what's that stuff called?
My Patriot Supply?
Okay, yeah.
I had my Patriot Supply ready to go, too.
Yeah.
All I know is that I've got a whole bag of survival seeds I'm willing to sell to anyone if they're interested.
Oh, that's great stuff.
Survival seeds.
I'm sorry.
I'll listen to Alex Jones just to see how long it is until that commercial comes on.
Not long.
Not long.
You'll hear that right away.
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Well, that's the good part of it is I can drink after I hear that and then go back to work.
Oh, my.
Well, on that note.
Yeah, let's, I think, I think it's almost time to shut this bitch down.
I agree.
I think we've gone like a marathon amount of time here because it's time to go watch Game of Thrones.
Yeah, I'm sure there's people that want to get out of here.
We've been on here for about three hours now.
I think that's been a good enough holddown for these great folks out here.
I agree.
Well, thank you very much, Michael, for joining for tonight.
It was a lot of fun.
I think we covered a bunch of random topics, and that's exactly what I wanted to do.
Oh, thank you so much for allowing me to be here with you and share this great stage.
And I must say, with that said, the world is a mysterious place, and life itself is a mystery.
