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	Hey everybody, if you like e-cigs, if you are a vapor, or if you just want to develop a nicotine habit, whatever your bag is, just go to UFOShip.com and click e-cigs in the menu.
	This is the Gabcast, a podcast about bellgab.com.
	Call the show now at 623-242-CAST.
	That's 623-242-2278.
	Now, shut up, sit down, and listen to the damn show.
	All right.
	It's the Gabcast.
	And yes, as the man said, it is a podcast about Bellgab.com.
	We have Ponyboy Sunset.
	We have...
	Hi, Ponyboy.
	How are you?
	How are you?
	Good, how are you?
	We have P. Kaiser.
	Hey, what's going on, everyone?
	And the third person, I've already forgotten your Bellgab name, but I don't want to say your actual name.
	Lava Rat.
	Lava Rat.
	Okay, the three are here.
	This is the Gabcast.
	It's a podcast about Bellgab.com, okay?
	And I guess, Star Mountain, if you're out there listening, you were right about what happened.
	At least I'm told that you were right.
	So about 15 minutes before the show, I took a nap prior to the show.
	That's a big mistake, but boy, I really just felt like I needed it.
	And about 15 minutes before the show, my alarm wakes me up.
	I pick my phone up.
	I see P. Kaiser has already sent me a message saying, hey, how's it going?
	And I respond, okay, I'm going to pick my, I'm going to message you here in a bit.
	And I just, as I said a moment ago, I innocently placed my little head right back on the pillow just for a moment so I could absorb the reality of the fact that I'm going to have to get out of bed.
	It really was a tough prospect to take into consideration.
	And the next thing I knew, it was 50 minutes past the time we were supposed to do the show.
	So my apologies to everybody, you know, but I've been working so hard behind the scenes, making Bellgab run properly and doing all of those little things for you, the people, that I'm just exhausted.
	So hopefully that enables me to garner some level of sympathy from everybody.
	So how's it going, everyone?
	What's shaking?
	I'm just recovering from, you know, laying around, having a big split chest.
	You're the guy, that's right.
	You have a horrible heart.
	Your heart is a disaster.
	Well, it's my heart's fine.
	It's all the plumbing around it that's really the disaster.
	So now they've given me five bypasses and I'm good to go and ready to launch.
	But reading the history of stuff that you've had performed on your heart, around your heart.
	I guess it's all around your heart.
	Yeah.
	Not on your heart, right?
	Nothing.
	I started having heart attacks when I was 30 back in 1992.
	Yeah, it's on both sides of my family.
	I was on stage playing Beatles songs when I had my first heart attack.
	Well, that'd give plowing through when I'm 64 on stage in a bar at 12.30 a.m.
	That'd give anybody hard trouble.
	So I had like five of them and over the years and stents and angioplasties and then finally it came to this.
	And so I had open heart surgery almost five weeks ago and actually I feel great.
	I feel better than I have in years.
	That's what people say right before they die.
	So you know, if I were you, I would just be careful.
	I'm being very careful.
	Honest to God, I'm being very careful.
	Ponyboy, what's new with you?
	Oh, same stuff.
	I have 200 pages of my second book written.
	Your second book?
	What a nerd.
	I'm totally a nerd.
	I'm writing three of these, and then I have a few more ideas.
	And working my day job.
	So, yeah.
	Do you care to say what you do for a day job, or is that something you'd like to?
	I wish I had something exciting to say like I was a stripper.
	I'm not.
	Although that would be a night job, I think, technically.
	No, I'm an admin at a door company.
	I mean, you can tell me you're a stripper if you want.
	Yeah, we have strippers in the daytime here in Indianapolis.
	Yeah, but you don't want to be a day shift stripper.
	I don't care.
	Are there day shift strippers?
	I mean, what is it that's happening in your life where it's like, you know what?
	I tried to show people my breasts at night.
	They weren't having it.
	They told me to come back at 2:30 p.m.
	What are the circumstances that lead to that happening?
	I don't get it.
	They can do it, I'm sure.
	No, I do admin work and like just ridiculously boring computer stuff.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, Lava Rat, I'm glad you're here.
	It's always nice.
	I mean, yeah, I'm not saying that we've just been inundated with Pony Boy Sunset appearances on the Gabcast or P. Kaiser appearances on the Gabcast, but I'm infinitely more familiar with the previous two.
	So I'm glad that you're here.
	I'm always, it's kind of like a curveball.
	So I totally didn't expect to be on.
	I love it when that happens.
	Yeah.
	Well, I'm up in Pacific Northwest and I've listened to art for many years, like everybody else, since back in the 90s, early 90s.
	And I remember when having my little radio next to my ear at night and trying to get a connection, trying to get a signal and getting frustrated with the lack of signal, and it's much nicer now.
	But, you know, I'm one of those, I listen to a lot of talk radio like everybody, you know, probably too much.
	And I'm one of those disgruntled former Nori listeners.
	So I really just, I really, I find it therapeutic to come to the Gabcast to find out that there's a whole group of people who agree that the Norrie area, Nori era is, you know, he's a nice guy.
	That doesn't get it done, though.
	I've been going through Nori disgruntled derangement syndrome where I've gotten so angry that I had to search out other people that were feeling the same way.
	And actually, I'm starting to feel a little bit better about it now.
	I thought I was the only one that thought that, what the hell, this guy's talking to a three-headed human and obviously Photoshop pitcher.
	And, you know, for instance, the other night with John Teeter, the John Teeter saga, which I'm sure we'll talk about later.
	You know, if that was Norrie, I give Heather credit for kicking him off the air because if that was Nori, he would just say, well, that's a remarkable story.
	It has to be true.
	We're going to have you back.
	And up next, Lionel Fanthorpe.
	You know what?
	I have never heard Lionel Fanthorpe.
	I'm so out of touch with what's happening on that show or what's happened on that show.
	I couldn't tell you Lionel Fanthorpe from Mother Teresa.
	I have no idea who he is, what he does.
	I have no idea who this man is.
	I don't know what he does.
	And if you marry this man, I will be very upset.
	I'm sorry.
	I just felt like I was.
	That was an opportunity to.
	Okay.
	So, yeah, I have no idea.
	I keep hearing people talk about Springheel Jack every time Lionel Fanthorpe is mentioned.
	And I keep thinking to myself, should I look into what that even is?
	Even the name makes me angry.
	It sounds like some sort of folksy story that a man wearing suspenders would tell people.
	I don't know what the story is.
	I don't know what it's about, but I refuse to look it up.
	Yeah, search me.
	I haven't heard that one, actually.
	Well, you're telling me you know about Lionel Fanthorpe and you do not know about Springheel Jack.
	Well, I heard Lionel, I heard him years and years ago.
	One of the only times I even turned onto Nori.
	As soon as I heard him saying amazing and thinking and all that, I could not listen to the guy.
	And then when I found you guys making fun of the same things that I was in my mind, just going, I can't believe this guy has a show like this.
	That's when I latched onto it.
	It took me years, but that's when I finally latched onto Bell Gab and lurked for months.
	But I have not heard the Spring Heel Jack story.
	I'm sorry.
	What's the I see Bobo 17 in the chat?
	And can anyone tell me what the deal is with the whole thing that was going on in the Art Bell?
	Because I mean, I just poke my, you know, like that Homer Simpson, Jeff.
	What's Homer's dad's name?
	I can't remember what on The Simpsons.
	What's Homer's dad's name?
	Homer's dad.
	You know that famous Jeff?
	Homer's dad walks in and closes the door and then turns around promptly and exits the door that people use that Jeff on that on forums regularly.
	That's kind of been my recent participation in the Art Bell thread.
	I might just poke my head in.
	Hey, look at that.
	Bobo's supposedly this really good friend of Art Bell's, and he was going to go and have a meeting with Art where he was going to take a thousand pages of wonderful comments that were sent to him from Bell Gabbers saying how much Heather Wade sucked and how much she had to be replaced.
	And he was going to go have a meeting with Art to present this to him and with Keith, I might add.
	And they were going to resolve this.
	And then, of course, all the people, all the Bell Gabbers came out and started making fun of him.
	So immediately he was like, oh, it's all off.
	We're not doing this any longer.
	We're not going to have the meeting.
	And, well, you know where it goes from there.
	Then everyone's, you know, up in arms and wanting to really make fun of the guy.
	So then he starts going, well, no, wait a minute.
	Maybe we will have the meeting.
	So and then a couple of people were saying that it was a troll, a George Norrie troll, that it was all set up by the guys over in Nori Land.
	So you really know the whole story behind this.
	Well, you know, when you're sitting around with the problem that I have, I got a lot of time on my hands.
	Let's face it, even after your problem is over, you'll still know what's happening in the Art Bell thread.
	I think so, unfortunately.
	Maybe it's the guy from Hunting Bigfoot.
	That's what I think.
	The Bigfoot guy.
	I probably isn't.
	Well, I'm on there going, hey, Bobo, fix your tooth because he's always on TV with the missing tooth and everything.
	You just don't see that on TV much anymore.
	And so I'm on there.
	You know, usually as soon as he posts, I'm like, hey, Bobo, why don't you get the tooth fixed first?
	So, Ponyboy, you were something of a prolific podcaster for a while, and then you weren't.
	What the hell gives?
	I had a girlfriend for like a month and a half.
	So I was doing that.
	And by the way, I hate to totally throw this out.
	There's no stream.
	The chat room can't hear us.
	I think that that's no longer the case.
	I did notice if they can no longer hear us, yeah, they say they can hear us now.
	I fixed that on the fly, as they say.
	Oh, gotcha.
	Yeah, but regarding my podcasting career, one of them imploded when the Art Bell thing happened because I was on the opposite side from the rest of my co-hosts.
	Is that really all it came down to?
	That you didn't agree about Art's departure?
	There was some other stuff, too.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I just think it just wasn't going to work.
	And, you know, I still do my thing with Raleigh.
	I mean, that happens, but I haven't been doing my own stuff because I've been writing.
	And like I said, I actually was living outside of the Bell Gab world, which was very weird.
	Yeah, I still maintain if you guys had called the show F. Michael Van Dieven.
	I think it could have succeeded.
	I agree with you, sir.
	It could have had a life.
	I think so.
	I still get people liking it on Facebook because I haven't taken the page down yet.
	You should leave it up forever for like 20 years, and people are still liking it, and they don't even know what they're liking.
	They're like, God, when are you guys going to do another episode?
	We really like it.
	And just not tell them.
	Hey, this is Ryan Erlavarat here.
	You know, I actually kind of like Raleigh James and her little small stint with Coast.
	And didn't she leave because the advertising, they wanted to jam advertising down and she disagreed with it and so she quit.
	Isn't that what happened?
	Did you ever see the famous email where she talks about why it's on Bellgab?
	If you just search around for Raleigh James, you'll find a really long post.
	Actually, I think I was the one who posted it because she had this email correspondence with somebody, and she asked that somebody, okay, could you not reveal this publicly?
	But at the same time, she was corresponding with some random internet user that she doesn't really know.
	So you kind of have to think there was some part of her that knew and expected and wanted that to be released.
	And so someone sent that email to me and I said, okay, can I just ask you something?
	Look, this has to be put out there publicly.
	I even called this person.
	Well, she's dead now.
	So do you remember Shirley Powell?
	I do.
	That's who it was.
	Yeah, and I remember reading it when you posted it.
	Yeah, she sent me that email exchange, and I thought, holy hell, this has to be seen by everybody.
	Because it's this long, beautiful just dissertation about what sucks about radio and how Coast to Coast AM exemplifies everything that's wrong with the broadcasting business.
	And so I asked her, could I go ahead and post this?
	And she said, yeah, go ahead.
	Not Raleigh, but Shirley Powell.
	I figure Raleigh's taking her chances saying this stuff to complete strangers on the internet.
	So, you know, what's the difference?
	But people in radio just like absolutely crazy.
	I mean, I've known a lot of people in radio in several states, and they all seem to hate radio, and yet none of them can leave radio.
	It's like total mind fuck.
	I don't even get it.
	Yeah, it's, I don't know.
	I mean, I've worked at three different stations over the years.
	And generally, yes, I will agree with the people in radio or crazy thing.
	There are a lot of drugs in radio.
	A lot of drugs, a lot of drug users in radio.
	I missed all that.
	How did I miss that?
	I don't know what radio station you were working at, buddy.
	Bob and Tom, man.
	We had some good time.
	Damn.
	Well, when it comes to our genre, you know, like the paranormal talk, there's a real lack of talent these days.
	I mean, I suggest people, if you really want to get an education, go back in history and look at the class and listen to some of the classics.
	I'm sure you guys know this and everybody in the audience here does.
	But if there's somebody out there who's new to listening to this stuff, go back in history and listen to the classics like the John Nebel show and the Billy Goodman show and the classic Art Bell.
	And there's another host actually who's on these days, who's been on, who's actually on at the same time.
	Art was back in the day.
	Don Ecker.
	I listened to Don Ecker.
	The only shows I listen to are Don Eckert.
	I'll listen to George Knapp.
	I'll listen to Classic Art and Maybe one or two other shows, small podcasts, like the Paracash, maybe.
	But there's so many of them now.
	It's just, you know.
	Well, you know, who was great on radio back in the day that did not transfer over to television at all?
	And I didn't agree with hardly anything the guy had to say, but he was a really good radio guy, and that was Larry King.
	He was really good on the internet.
	Yeah, he doesn't get enough credit for that, does he?
	Yeah, he was great back in the day.
	People just think about his stupid CNN show, which was the low point of his career.
	Exactly.
	But like in the late 70s, I've been into radio since I was a little kid.
	And in the late 70s and 80s, I mean, that guy was a really good broadcaster.
	A little bit of a kook, but he was a great broadcaster.
	Yeah.
	So we mentioned Raleigh a minute ago, and I forget who it was that said they liked Raleigh as a host on Coast to Coast AM.
	She, we got talking about that long email.
	But and yes, go find that.
	I'll try and dig it up myself, and maybe I'll put it in the show notes when I post this episode.
	But yes, I have always liked Raleigh James.
	I felt like she was a natural fit for Coast to Coast AM, and she would have been great had they allowed her the freedom to be great.
	You know, they just, she didn't, her big beef, I think her biggest beef with Coast to Coast AM was that she was being asked, expected.
	It was being demanded of her that she endorse products that she didn't believe in.
	And you can just use your imagination on what those products were.
	I think there was a psychic pill.
	How many co-hosts do they have now?
	I mean, I tuned in the other, and there was another co-host on that never heard all.
	I was like, what the hell is going on?
	This is, you got to build a, you got to, I mean, there's at least six or seven co-hosts over there now.
	Was it Connie Willis?
	I don't want to hear it all.
	I mean, you got to build a rep, you got to build up an audience with the host over time.
	You can't keep putting in all these it just that whole idea.
	I don't understand it.
	It's like they're coming up with new co-hosts every week.
	You guys, I'm sorry, but since the show, the initial part of the show didn't actually air, people listening live want to know who's who.
	So Pony Boy, say something.
	Hi, I'm the only chick.
	Yes.
	La Verat.
	Yeah, I'm up in Pacific Northwest.
	I'm a disgruntled George Nori listener that is totally not going to listen to him anymore.
	And I'm sort of new to the forum, and I've listened to Art for years.
	People will hear all that again on the recording anyway.
	And Pete Kaiser is Phil Kaiser out here in Indianapolis, Indiana.
	Thank you so much for tuning in.
	And he's the guy with the horrible heart.
	Yep, it is I.
	So, yeah, I always liked Raleigh James.
	I, you know, and she was on the Michael Van Dieven's Radio Train Wreck show a few years ago.
	And I felt like it wasn't a very good interview.
	But, and she said that she enjoyed her time there.
	But I later went to her Facebook page after the show was posted, the show on which she appeared, and I posted a little thing on her Facebook page saying, hey, Raleigh fans, here's a Raleigh James interview.
	And the post was removed.
	So I figured, okay, well, that must not have my instincts must be correct.
	That did not go as well as I'd hoped.
	I don't know.
	Sounds just like a radio person.
	But I don't know about that because she's recently, like in the last year, we've talked about that interview and she's all good with it.
	So I don't even know for sure that she admins her own page.
	Oh, really?
	She's never on Facebook.
	She hates Facebook.
	I could see her hating Facebook.
	She has a Twitter account.
	I don't think she ever uses that.
	No.
	I've really just come to totally appreciate and enjoy Twitter.
	I mean, I'm on there all the time.
	That's a big source of news for me.
	Because you can just, with Twitter, you can just set up an awesome news feed of entities that are in real time releasing information that you want to see.
	And it's just all right there.
	There's no bull crap to wade through.
	No advertisements.
	There's minimal advertising on Twitter, yeah.
	But what I do is every time those advertisements come up, I just close them and it asks, why didn't you want to see this?
	And I tap on the little option that says, I found it offensive.
	I've been doing that multiple times every day for like a month and a half now.
	I'm starting to not see any ads.
	They think I'm just a very fragile person who can't handle any form of advertising.
	They've stopped serving them to me.
	I think it's working.
	I do the same thing.
	You type, you select it.
	I found it offensive.
	I sure do.
	That's exactly what I do.
	Awesome.
	Okay.
	Well, my instincts must have been on with that.
	I'm a troublemaker.
	What can I say?
	So what's happening on Bellgab?
	I feel like we need to move out of the small talk at this point.
	What's happening on the forum?
	I am so out of the loop.
	I mean, I'm not able to keep up with it.
	I am an outsider on Bell Gab, on my own creation.
	I have no idea what's happening.
	I can't keep up with it.
	How about you, Pete Kaiser?
	You seem like the guy to go to.
	I mean, what's happening on the forum these days?
	It's a lot of the same stuff that's been happening over the last two or three months since I've been kind of trolling around.
	Not trolling, but lurking is the better word.
	Is it still heavy with the Heather sucks, Art lied?
	More of the Art lied stuff than the Heather Sucks.
	A lot of people have, well, a few of the trolls have gone away, which is kind of cool.
	And the people that were really hardcore Heather Sucks, a lot of those people have gone away, it seems to me, but it's a lot of the, you know, and then you have Art posting the other day, you know, yesterday or whatever.
	Man, it's amazing how that guy posts something and here they all come.
	It's the argument, all the arguments get started right back up again.
	And the whole, you know, was there a stalker?
	There isn't a stalker.
	It's amazing.
	I have just never, I just can't, I can't, like when I had Art on the Gabcast, I guess that was the last time there was a Gabcast, isn't it?
	Yes.
	I think it was, yeah.
	No, wait.
	No, wait.
	No, that was a follow-up after that.
	That's right.
	Oh, yeah, that's right.
	Yep.
	Okay, that was the show to talk about the show.
	We need a Gabcast cast, a show to talk about the Gabcast, which is a show to talk about the forum.
	Which I listened to tonight, by the way, just so I could refresh my memory about how you guys do things here.
	You listen to the Gabcast cast?
	Yes, the show about the show, because I listened to your interview with Art, which I thought was magnificent.
	And then I listened to the show about the show, and it was very entertaining, very interesting.
	Yeah, I guess that, well, that was the last time I did a Gabcast.
	And prior to that show, I asked everybody, yeah, if you have questions or whatever, I'd love to have them sent to me.
	And I asked probably 10 different people, hey, send me questions.
	And a lot of the questions were predicated on the idea that Art lied.
	And I just don't think he did.
	I mean, I've never felt like he made the stalker situation up.
	I just, I mean, okay, there are these little things people are seizing upon to say, see?
	See?
	What did the neighbor say about, why were there no bullet holes in the, when did she see it?
	And what did she see at what time?
	I mean, these little things, you know, that people are seizing on in order to say, yes, it's suspicious.
	I don't believe the story.
	I just never quite, my instincts never gave me that vibe about the whole thing that he was lying.
	And so the questions that were predicated on the idea that Art lied, you know, I just didn't even bother with it because I it just didn't.
	It felt like it would have been phony on my part.
	Somebody people that want to find a conspiracy in everything.
	It's like, you know, Art back in the day, he got burned quite a few times with guests, you know, that want to sell, you know, alien dog hair, channeling, you know, Cynthia Brown.
	Alien dog hair?
	Well, you know, there's so many in this field, in the field of paranormal, you know, there's so many snake oil salesmen in the convent.
	You have to be very, very careful.
	And that brings up the episode that happened the other night.
	You know, I think Heather might be learning on the go here because, you know, and I'm not an anti-Heather person.
	I'm really not.
	I'm not an anti-art person.
	But what I am is when you have a guest come on, you better have somebody research that guest's background and make sure that they're credible.
	Because when John Teeter came on and claimed to be the real John Teeter, it really created a firestorm.
	And, you know, that's like when Art back in the day had on, who did he have on that turned out to be, oh, Sean David Morton, and he's now in jail for, I mean, there's so many snake oil salesmen in the paranormal field.
	You have to really be careful.
	You can't.
	Sean David Morton is in jail?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	He got off the conspiracy cruise, and he was their federal agents waiting for him, put him in handcuffs.
	No kidding.
	Because it's all over some kind of fraud or something.
	Is it related to that?
	He arrested, I thought, on a cruise.
	That's what I heard.
	Was it related to the SEC investigation that he faced a few years ago?
	I think it was.
	I think it was repeat offender, repeat offense of that.
	Really?
	I mean, he did something else on top of that after just eking his way out of that?
	Right.
	Wow.
	You would think with that kind of a brush with the law, man, I came so close.
	And no, I'm going to do it again because this is just how I make my way in the world.
	But there's still people that believe, you know, this guy is, this guy's really a prophet.
	He's really predicting the future.
	Let's listen to Sean David Morton tell us about what's going to happen 10 years from now.
	And if you go back and look at it, none of it ever came true.
	And you just have to be careful who you pick as a guest.
	And I just think that what I told Heather in a text message the other day, she needs to get like a research director or somebody to help her vet these guests because she can't possibly do all the research.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Hold on.
	She was a producer.
	I was a producer.
	That's what producers do.
	That's what really bugs me about the whole Heather thing is that you've got a non-professional doing a professional job here.
	And if she can't do, I mean, obviously, in her situation, she's trying to do too many things, in my opinion.
	She can't produce the show, get the guests, and then do the show.
	Those are two different things.
	And I wish she would get somebody else to help her out.
	But if she is going to do those two things, then if she's going to be on a national program, she should do them to the best of her ability.
	And to have some guy come on and say, I'm John Tidor and tell her to pronounce it Titor when we all damn well know that it's Teeter.
	I mean, I can't listen to that.
	I'm really sorry.
	I'm not trying to be anti-Heather, but I can't.
	Heather said Titor?
	Yeah.
	Repeatedly.
	But she also claimed that he told her to say that.
	Well, anyone that's ever even heard of this person from years ago would know that the original guy and the guy's lawyer always pronounce his name Teeter.
	Well, maybe that was just this guy's gimmick to get her to believe that he was the real deal.
	I mean, what an odd thing to correct her on and say, no, it's Titer.
	Everyone all these years has been pronouncing it Teeter.
	It's Titer.
	I mean, that would be, if someone said that to me, I'd be like, maybe this guy's legit, but who would choose that as the thing to say we need a correction here?
	Or maybe she doesn't have the knowledge base to know that the guy and his lawyer back, you know, 15 or 20 years ago or whatever was Teeter.
	Hold on.
	That's what irritates me about the whole situation.
	Let's try taking a call.
	I hope this works.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	No, that's me.
	I'm just kidding.
	No?
	Oh, no, not yet.
	Wow, that was a pretty good female voice.
	Oh, I can do all kinds of voices.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Blaine and Scarlet 2, let's try the...
	No, that's not going to do it, I don't believe.
	Oh, my.
	Oh, my.
	Okay.
	John Teeter.
	Yeah, that's not quite working out.
	Lineout 2, Scarlett.
	Line in, line out.
	I don't know what the problem there is, but maybe I can just restart that instance of Skype.
	Well, you made a good point there.
	I think what I heard Heather say the other night was that she hired or she's having somebody named Martin Willis as her producer.
	I haven't heard a whole lot about it, but I think you make some good points.
	And, you know, there's a lot of rumor going around about Hoagie leaving the network, and I've done a little bit of research on that.
	I thought that was more than rumor.
	I thought that was a done deal.
	No, no.
	I think what it is has to do with, from what I can...
	Is it contract negotiating time?
	Is Hoagland holding out?
	Well, he's got Dean Raden on tonight, but I think it has something to do with podcast delivery.
	I could be wrong, but he was on last week.
	Well, actually, his wife is actually hosting more than he is now.
	So I don't know.
	I could be wrong, but I have a hunch that has to do with the podcast delivery, the 19.5 thing.
	But if somebody else out there knows more than.
	I heard something completely different.
	Let's try taking a call again.
	I haven't heard anything at all.
	Let's try this call again.
	I don't know how this is going to go.
	Hi, can you hear me?
	Hello.
	See, I don't think they can hear us.
	I can barely hear you.
	Listen to that.
	That's good.
	It's all getting out.
	It's John Teeter.
	It's the, what was that thing that they had?
	Dr. George Meeks Spiracom.
	That's what it sounds like.
	Oh, my God.
	It's freaking me out.
	Let's hear it again.
	Let's take another Spiracom telephone call.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Can you hear us on the Spiracom?
	I ever wanted to hear.
	Can you hear me?
	That's fantastic.
	That's great.
	Let's just do that the rest of the night.
	I wish all of my phone calls in life could sound exactly like that.
	I think my day-to-day operations would be a lot more entertaining.
	I don't know what the problem is there.
	Remember the show Art did with Victor, the guy that came on with a fake voice, claiming to have a secret alien video smuggled out of Area 51?
	Yes.
	Did anything ever come of that?
	Did they ever find out who this guy was?
	Everybody thinks he's Whitley.
	Yeah, but it's not him.
	Yeah, right.
	Sure.
	Oh, it's funnier now.
	Okay, Art lied.
	I take it back.
	That guy is Whitley and Art's a liar.
	Can we go back to the John Teeter thing for a minute?
	It's tighter.
	Thank you.
	Oh, I'm sorry, sir.
	No, I'm not doing that.
	You guys are skipping the whole part about how she lambasted the audience the next day, and that's not very nice.
	No, it's completely unprofessional.
	What happened?
	She got on Facebook and said that she would not put up with such behavior and calls from her audience.
	What do you mean?
	Well, that it was not our fault.
	I don't listen to this show, and I'm anti-Heather, so I don't care.
	But what I was reading from the board is what happened, and then I was reading on Facebook that she posted about that the reason that no, he didn't, he left, she didn't let him go, and it was basically the audience's fault, not her fault.
	Yeah, because all the calls when she started taking calls from what I read came in, and they were completely just trying to take the piss out of the poor guy.
	Yeah, I was actually a caller number two on that night, and I think I compared him to Honey Boo Boo or something.
	He just wasn't telling, he was a total charlatan, and I don't think he can get away with that these days.
	Back in the day, nobody could fact-check these things.
	Now people just go on and check, is this guy real or not?
	And you have to be very careful.
	I think she's learning on the fly, but I could be wrong.
	And let's go back even further about how Art took his post down saying what a great find he was after all this happened.
	So you guys are leaving a lot out.
	Well, yeah, that is true.
	He did do that, too.
	It's hysterical because he said, you know, he was, this is a great get.
	Heather has a great get, John Teeter.
	And then as soon as it all went to hell in a handbasket, that that post was long gone from Facebook.
	See, this is why I could never host that show because I am so disenchanted with the entire genre.
	And I've always said it that I never really cared about the genre enough to listen to it being talked about by anybody but Art Bell.
	I would never listen to another quote-unquote paranormal radio show.
	I just wouldn't.
	It's not what I want to be involved with.
	It's just not.
	But I don't even remember what my point was.
	Some of the shows that Art did that I thought were real fascinating.
	Remember when he had that that weren't paranormal when he goes off topic?
	When he had, sorry for hitting my mic there.
	When he had that lady on that, what is she?
	She tried to sail across the Pacific Ocean by herself.
	Oh, I do remember that.
	There were shows like that, you know, like off-topic stuff.
	I really find she was like calling him from the middle of the Pacific Ocean on this cell phone.
	That was really an interesting show.
	You're right.
	There were a lot of things like that during Art's heyday.
	And it wasn't like this time around when Art came back, I felt like there was this paranormal push.
	It was just like, this is a paranormal show.
	This is a paranormal show.
	I felt like there was just too much drive to push the show in that direction.
	We never got the sort of random art that we got back in the 90s where, you know, he would take a call from a guy that has a hole in the middle of the ground out in the middle of nowhere.
	I mean, that sort of, just that weird stuff, that random stuff that came up.
	And that includes politics.
	I enjoyed it back in the day when Art would talk politics.
	It doesn't all have to be about goblins and such.
	That's something that I always, when I was producing shows, I produced one talk show, a political talk show in particular up in Maine with a guy on the left and a guy on the right.
	And I was kind of in the middle.
	And I kept trying to tell these people, quit having guests on every day.
	A lot of people tune in to listen to you.
	They don't get that.
	And they don't get that.
	It blows my mind.
	I wish Art Bell would just come on and talk.
	He doesn't have to have guests.
	The guy is so good and he's so interesting that, like you were just saying, just look at the newspaper and see what's happening politically.
	You know, there are plenty of weird little stories that are out there that are paranormal-ish that he could mention and talk about.
	He doesn't have to have guests on every day.
	We want to listen to him.
	Well, I think it can be summarized in this way.
	Art's not coming back.
	Yeah.
	And if he did come back, it would be on an extremely limited basis.
	I mean, even with the whole dipping his toe in the water thing that keeps happening, well, maybe I'll be back.
	I don't know.
	I may be back on a limited basis.
	Even in the midst of all of that, he has explicitly stated five days a week, no, that's never going to happen again.
	I mean, he has said those words.
	And so even if he were to come back on a limited basis, there's nothing left to come back to.
	I don't really think there is.
	Did you, hey, MB, did you listen to the show he came back on Friday?
	It was just one show.
	No, I didn't.
	I was the third caller on that one.
	It was mostly about politics the whole night, which is fun.
	Yeah, it was fun.
	Was it a good show?
	I liked it a lot myself, but then again, I'm really into politics.
	And I saw people complain.
	Oh, is that politics?
	I don't want to hear about politics.
	I can hear enough of that during the day.
	I don't want to be exposed to this.
	Well, I hear people saying this shit, and it's like they have no recollection of what Art's show was back in the 90s.
	I mean, I remember, I have fond memories of sitting in my 1973 Oldsmobile Toronado when I was 16, listening to Art Bell bash Bill Clinton.
	Yeah.
	I mean, people forget about all that.
	I'd be driving home from gigs from Louisville or something and listening to him in the middle of the night talking about politics.
	And I just, it was a blast because he would, he would take the piss out of the Clintons, which I just was totally amused by.
	But if people don't think that this political season isn't as interesting as that or even as interesting as 1976 or 1980, then they're either not paying attention or they really just don't like politics at all and don't even want to go there because it's a really interesting season right now.
	Well, it was kind of funny on Friday for April Fools, you had this Representative Martin call in, who was claiming to be a Republican conservative behind a double-gated fence, and it was all a stick.
	He was a comedian, but it went on for about 45 minutes and he was taking calls from people.
	But, you know, she needs to do more of that kind of stuff.
	And I think it would entertain people more than just doing UFOs every night is really boring after a while.
	You get burned out on it.
	I just don't know how much longer this can continue.
	Because every time I talk to Heather, I do not feel like I'm talking to somebody who is having a good time.
	Just put it mildly.
	Well, they need to stay off the boards.
	No offense to Belgab or anything.
	But if you're going to do a show like this, Art, Heather, don't go there.
	No offense to anybody.
	I can't believe you just said that about Belgab, you son of a bitch.
	Yeah, you're getting back to what is it?
	What?
	Homeless HIV mode?
	Turbo mode revoked.
	Well, I never had it.
	Well, that's okay, good.
	The situation rectified itself.
	I'm just talking about those two people.
	I mean, I would say that to anybody that I was working with if I was a producer of a show.
	Don't go on your social media because all it's going to do is depress the hell out of you because you can't please all the people all the time.
	It's never going to happen.
	If I were in her position, if I were in her position, I would have just social media, bellgab, all of that.
	It would have been dead to me.
	You guys remember the old Art Bell episode when there was a dispute about this guy named Cal Korf?
	No.
	And Cal Korf went on another show.
	I think it was Rentz or somebody.
	Nobody listens to Rinz.
	He's got great hair, though, huh?
	Yeah.
	He accused Art of something and made up an accusation, and Art invited him to come on the show and apologize to the audience for lying about this.
	And so Kyle Korf had to eat crow and come on the show.
	And Art, it was great.
	Art put him in the corner and made him admit that, you know, apologize to everybody for what he did.
	And then he says, okay, you're off the show and kicked him off.
	Wow.
	Fripped him of his dignity.
	Yeah, and then there was a whole scandal with the...
	Can you guys film me in?
	Because you're probably more knowledgeable about the old art days than I am.
	With the whole scandal with the whole David Oates thing, what was that all about?
	I never quite understood it.
	The reverse speech accused Art of being a which is totally untrue, I think, of being a sexual predator or something.
	I think that all started on some shortwave station in Tennessee.
	And they alleged that Art had been arrested in the late 70s, I think.
	And it was all totally made up.
	Of course, it was totally made up.
	And Art ended up suing or they settled out of court.
	Either way, they didn't come out of it very well.
	Art ended up, I'm sure, getting some money out of that.
	Man, he was off the air for like three years or something, wasn't he?
	Because he was dealing with court battles.
	I don't think that was why he was off the air, though, was it?
	I thought that was about his kid and all that back in those days.
	Well, when that happened, he was only off the air for about two weeks.
	That was when Hilly Rose came in.
	I was working at Art's affiliate here in Cape Girardeau at the time that happened.
	And, man, that was everyone in the station.
	It was just a shock on both floors.
	There were five stations in this building, and everybody at every one of them, it was just like, what?
	Art Bell quit.
	Can you believe that?
	Because a lot of us had just gotten used to hearing him, whether you were an art fan or not.
	If you worked late at all, you just got used to hearing his voice pumping out of the KZIM studio every night as you're walking down the hall or as you're driving home.
	Like a lot of these people that worked in the station late at night, it was their job to make sure everything is on the air.
	So they ended up getting involved in what Art was doing because of that.
	I don't know what my point is other than to say when you're repeatedly exposed to something like that and then it suddenly goes away, it's quite a surprise.
	I mean, no one at that time, I think that was in 97, I want to say, late 97, that that happened.
	Maybe it was 98.
	I don't remember.
	Well, there's nothing like real radio.
	I mean, yeah, it's great having all these, everybody's got their devices and you can tune in to any station you want, but just something about it coming through the airways and everybody picking it up with their little radio and their gas station or whatever.
	I just feel like it's kind of concerning that that era of radio is over with.
	We got a lot of podcasts now, which is fine.
	Everybody, nothing wrong with technology.
	I don't know if it is fine.
	The bar for entry is set so low.
	Anybody can do a podcast now.
	And so when you go out there looking for stuff to listen to, there's just so much garbage.
	That's funny.
	I'm sitting here as a host of the Gabcast complaining about all the garbage that's out there in the podcast universe.
	I'm going to rethink my life, actually, in just a moment.
	But there's just so much garbage out there that a lot of shows, I see them, I don't even give them a chance.
	I don't even bother myself.
	I just assume it's a podcast.
	Okay, it really must be shit.
	If it were more difficult to start a podcast, if it were more difficult to do it, if the barrier for entry were higher, then I would probably not feel that way.
	But just the simple fact that anybody can set this equipment up within an hour, it doesn't cost a lot of money.
	And that's all you have to have is an internet connection after that.
	And anybody can do it.
	And not everybody is cut out for this.
	Unfortunately.
	Say that again.
	I've had several friends of mine say, Phil, why don't you do a podcast?
	It's like, why would I, why would I, no one would hear me?
	You know, that's, you know, that's what we were saying.
	We were like, nobody would hear him.
	Nobody would hear him.
	You do it for fun if you do it at all.
	I mean, I never did it going in thinking I was going to make money or anything.
	I did it because I enjoy performing.
	I don't know.
	When I started podcasting back in 2006, I was one of those idiots that thought, oh, I'm going to do this and someone's going to hear the greatness that is me.
	And it's all going to be over from there.
	I'm going to just be swimming in offers.
	I had this totally ridiculous view of what was going to happen when I started podcasting.
	I mean, I totally did not quite understand just how I didn't understand how hard it would be in podcasting to stand out in any way.
	To get listeners, there's so many of them now that to get listeners is almost impossible.
	But hey, MV, that's how I found your site in you is I actually have spent hours and hours and hours just tuned into your stream on WinApp.
	Oh my God.
	And I've heard a lot of old art shows on there that I ended up downloading later.
	But hey, I was one of your listeners back then.
	Well, thank you.
	And I would ask that you stop following me around the internet, please, sir.
	Thank you.
	Are you stalking him, sir?
	No, no, no.
	I think I might have phone operability.
	Okay.
	I think I have phone operability.
	If anybody would like to try calling in, the phone number to do so is 623-242-CAST.
	It is 623-242-2278.
	I have to confess I have been slightly distracted by the lack of our ability to take phone calls.
	And going back on something we talked about just a moment ago, I'm sorry, hold that thought.
	Come back to it, whatever you're going to say.
	I just pulled up the Wikipedia on Sean David Morton.
	Morton and his wife, Melissa, were arrested on February 1st, 2016, after taking part on a conspiracy-themed cruise.
	They were charged with 56 counts of filing false income taxes.
	How do you get charged with 60?
	Who files their income taxes multiple times in a year?
	Isn't that just a kind of a you filed and you lied?
	I mean, how are there that many counts?
	They face 650 and 625 years in federal prison, respectively, if convicted.
	Well, if they both filed separately over 25 years, there you go.
	Oh, you think they're going back?
	Yeah, but I mean, could they?
	But they don't say over what period of time it was.
	Right.
	I don't I let's see if this call works.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yeah, how you doing?
	I don't know if that's okay.
	Stay there.
	Hold on.
	I'm not sure if this.
	I think I might have you fixed here.
	Give me just the spirits are coming through clear now.
	Okay.
	I can hear them.
	I have the USBs I need.
	Okay, I think that's going to do.
	You sound at least intelligible.
	Go ahead, call her.
	Hey, MV.
	This is gravity sucks.
	Hey, buddy.
	How you doing, man?
	Gravity.
	I'm okay.
	I mean, I'm vertical.
	You know?
	You had a little trouble waking up today?
	Well, that's what they tell me.
	That's what they tell you, huh?
	Yeah.
	I was a little sleepy, yes.
	Today is I have an 8 a.m. class on Tuesdays, and I'm sorry, on Mondays and Wednesdays.
	So, you know, I have to get up at about 6:30 in the morning and start getting ready for that.
	And when you don't really get a whole lot of sleep the night before, oh, my, that's a dangerous combination.
	Well, call us when you have no class.
	So the show is sounding pretty good tonight, but I tried to call in earlier, and you're really having troubles with your phone lines or something.
	Oh, yes, I am aware of the troubles.
	I mean, you're the first person to call in post-trouble.
	So y'all are talking about Heather and producing and that.
	She does have a producer now.
	I wanted to let y'all know that.
	She announced that I'm here about a week ago.
	She's got somebody helping her out.
	I think his name is Martin Willis or something like that.
	Yeah, he is a former co-host of, or he's still the co-host of Podcast UFO, which is also on our network.
	So she does have some help now, but I don't know how much experience they have or if that's going to help at all.
	Is it free?
	Is he still getting paid nothing?
	Or do you know?
	I don't have any insight into the business matters there.
	Well, we would like tax returns and receipts next time you call.
	Well, no, I mean, he actually went, you know, they put the call out for somebody to help produce, but it was going to be Grottis for a while.
	So I just wondered if that were the case still, or if he's actually getting some buckage.
	Hey, Coler, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hey, it's Chefest.
	Hi, Chef Est.
	You start every phone call the same way.
	You have the same inflection.
	I would like to go back over the history of Gabcasts and find every time you've called and just snip out that portion where you say, hey, Chef Est, and just put them all together in a compilation.
	I think that would be great.
	Yeah, there would be no inflection change at all.
	But I just want to say thanks for having the show tonight.
	Good to see everyone here.
	Is Pony Boy still there?
	No, we have.
	Oh, she is.
	Okay.
	I'm still here.
	Okay.
	Hey, thanks for coming back.
	Did the ball go flat?
	You and the boys were playing with over at Podcast Not Included?
	Oh, my.
	No, you know, honestly, it was scheduling for a while, and then it was just behind-the-scenes stuff, and then nobody knew what they wanted to do with the show, and it just didn't work out.
	Well, I'm glad you're back, you know.
	Not let that wacky ego get in the way of just coming back and having a good time.
	That's just so funny.
	You think Ponyboy has a wacky ego?
	No, I think she has one that is a good one because she's back, and that's the most important thing.
	But then there's all these other people that were there all the time, and they were great to listen to, and they've been absent for a long time.
	And it just seems like it's more than, oh, I got busy.
	It just seems like, oh, you know what?
	We don't want to be on Belgab anymore.
	Several of those people left when this art thing started happening because they didn't like that the forum was not moderated.
	So, what did the fuck out?
	Can you really tell me that that's what they have?
	That's part of it.
	Not everybody, but there was a lot of graph.
	They've been cursing on there for years.
	They've been putting down for years.
	No, no, no.
	You guys are missing what I mean when I say that.
	What happened was when all the people came in from 4chan and no one was protecting Heather, some of these people got really upset about it.
	And some of them just quit because they had other things going on with their lives.
	Okay.
	Okay, separation of the wheat from the chaff, as I see it.
	See ya.
	Yeah, because you know what?
	I like this forum where MV created that anyone could come on.
	You hear different voices all the time, which is fascinating.
	I love that.
	And, you know, it's not just a big circle jerk with a clubhouse club.
	You know, that's the most important thing.
	What's this whole deal with protecting Heather?
	I mean, how would that happen?
	And break it down even further.
	Logistically, how would that have worked?
	Should I have banned every person who came in and said something negative about Art or negative about Heather?
	Of course you would have.
	Of course you would have.
	Who wouldn't have been gone?
	So the forum should have eaten itself in order to protect something that's going to implode under its own weight anyway.
	Hello.
	There it is, right there.
	I don't understand that mentality.
	I mean, the forum's going to be there.
	I am going to do what I can do to make sure that the forum continues to have some reason to exist once the Dark Matter Radio Network and everything associated with it completely and totally implodes and goes away forever, which is what's going to happen.
	It's absolutely going to happen.
	Aside from that, though, protecting Heather, I mean, wasn't Heather – see, I don't know because I haven't been around here long, so correct me if I'm wrong.
	But wasn't Heather one of the people that was just taking the piss out of George Norrie all the time?
	Who was protecting George Norrie?
	That is correct.
	Well, I mean, here's the thing.
	I have to wonder if the selection of Heather was based in part on an assumption on Art's part that because she was a bellgabber, she would be afforded some level of deference that another replacement host wouldn't have been.
	Well, he said as much.
	He posted that MV.
	He posted that.
	Actually, he kind of did, didn't he?
	Yeah, and we were supposed to give her a chance because she was one of our own.
	I am fucking sorry.
	I'm tired of that.
	You stand on your own because you have talent and you can take it.
	Otherwise, why are you doing it?
	I've never understood this.
	If I had gone from doing what I do to hosting art show to taking over from him, I would understand in my own mind, I would understand I have crossed a threshold here.
	I have moved from one mode of existence in this bellgab, art bell universe to another.
	And things are going to change.
	No longer am I just...
	If Heather were a random forum user and everybody were coming down on her like that, of course I would have to do something about that.
	I mean, I would feel compelled to do something about that, to protect just a regular person who's being attacked for no good reason.
	And many of the attacks launched at Heather, I do feel, were attacks that existed for no good reason.
	But the fact is, she took the job, and anyone who had any level of foresight at all would have understood that this is coming.
	If you take that gig, this is coming.
	If you take that gig as an amateur, if a professional would have taken that gig, it would have been, it might not have been perfect, but it would have been a lot different than a rank amateur coming on to take that gig.
	That's my problem.
	The first time I heard her was on the sample show when she was going to co-host with Art Bell.
	And I too now go, what the fuck is this?
	I don't want to hear this woman with Art Bell.
	Sorry, everyone who loves Heather.
	I'm sure she's a great gal and everything, but I use the word gal.
	I'm so sorry.
	But, you know, a rank amateur coming on to take over that show is just not acceptable.
	N.A.
	Yeah, and this thing about Art not being associated with the network, I don't buy it.
	He lends his name at artbell.com.
	That goes directly to the show and directly to Keith's network.
	Art is involved.
	Art has a say in a lot of this stuff.
	So him trying to separate himself from a lot of these decisions just doesn't make any sense.
	If Art didn't have a say, she wouldn't be here, I don't think.
	Correct.
	Is it possible that Art was worried after what happened to him?
	And I'm not going to sit here and take sides.
	I'm not picking sides here.
	I'm just speculating.
	So we all thought you were picking sides, but I'm glad to know that you're not.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm not picking sides.
	I'm not getting involved.
	That's Lava Rat talking, by the way.
	I'm not getting involved in it at all, but I just wanted to say, is it possible that Art might have worried that it would be another situation with George Norrie replacing him and his whole experience with the disaster that's become coast that Art might have said, you know, I'm going to go a different route this time and not.
	You can call it a disaster all you want, but he's still there, and he's been there for years now.
	I mean, the guy, you can make fun of him, and I do, because I can't stand him.
	I haven't listened to him in 10 years.
	However, the guy was a professional broadcaster before he ever got that gig.
	He had done years and years and years of professionally broadcasting before he was ever introduced to being the new host of Coast to Coast.
	Well, that's true.
	That's true.
	But maybe Art was worried about that.
	That's my only speculation.
	The only thing the network cares about, are we selling ads?
	Answer to that question?
	I got to kick off.
	I got to go.
	I got something going on here that I got to.
	But thanks for having me on today, man.
	Lava Rat?
	Why are you leaving us?
	What's happening in your...
	Okay.
	Bye, Beth.
	I got.
	Is the house on fire?
	Just tell us what's happening.
	We want to know.
	I've got a situation here that I've got to deal with.
	Oh, my.
	When someone tells me they have a situation and they won't elaborate, I expect the worst.
	I suspect that someone is being stabbed in the foyer.
	I don't know.
	Something's happening.
	Okay, well, that was Lava Rat.
	We wish him a good time.
	Good luck, Lava Rat.
	Nice to meet you, Lava Rat.
	We hope that he will someday present himself again.
	We didn't run him off for anything, did we?
	I think you were a little rude to him.
	I thought you were I thought your mannerisms could have used a little improvement So, Chefist.
	You can see my mannerisms.
	Well, that's true.
	Verbal mannerisms.
	Chefist, what else would you like to bring to the table?
	Is there anything else before I hang up on you?
	Well, yeah, you're going to hang up on me, but I just need to bring up that there are some very exciting and disturbing instances that are going on in the Falkenberg Fortress in the new thread that everyone has access to.
	I do.
	Do you?
	Yes, I do.
	I am in.
	Ponyboy, have you requested access from Falque 2013?
	No, because I'm just not.
	No, I'm good.
	You're above that, huh?
	You're too good for it.
	I'm good.
	I'm not going to grovel for anybody.
	Not ever.
	She says she's not too good.
	She's just good.
	It's not that you have to grovel.
	It's just that you need to present him with the fact that you would like access.
	It's not groveling.
	I can't assure that I'm going to behave.
	You know what, Pony Boy, you're just afraid you're going to be rejected.
	This is something that goes all the way back to a childhood trauma.
	I'm sure.
	Oh my God, you're so right.
	I'm being triggered.
	You just don't want to be rejected.
	I'm going to psychoanalyze you right now.
	Oh, my God.
	I remember when I was three.
	I remember it.
	When I was three, there was this man in Martinez who had a forum thread.
	I read that in the Puffin Bird Fortress.
	I asked for access to the thread and he wouldn't give it.
	And I cried and I said, Mommy, he won't do it.
	And so now all these years later, I don't ask men from Martinez for access to private threads.
	He's the reason I'm gay.
	Oh, my.
	Point on this dial where he touched you.
	Well, okay.
	So I guess is there anything specific you want to say about what's happening in the Falkey thread, Chefus?
	Are you just trying to?
	I think there is something really interesting, and that's the possibility that George might be on the next season of Naked and Afraid.
	I think that's the biggest revelation.
	Is that a real show?
	Yes, yes.
	Unfortunately, Naked and Afraid.
	It's a survival show where you're jumping.
	Oh, you know, you're dropped off in the jungle naked.
	You have to create your own Al Juan tools out of stone and vines and things along this nature.
	And then people lose a tremendous amount of weight in the time they're there.
	They might lose 30, 40, 50 pounds of weight because they're not eating, you know, and they're just eating worms and grubs.
	So I think.
	Imagine how much work and how much money are going to have to be spent in post-production on that show to pixel out the genitals and the breasts.
	Well, I mean, someone's going to have a lot of work on their hands.
	I mean, they say the genitals are real easy.
	It's the breast part that's the hardest on the pixelation.
	Is it really?
	Yeah, because of the side boob and all that kind of stuff.
	Yeah.
	The genitals pretty much stay where they are.
	So that's real easy to do.
	It's the big, you know.
	If I were the guy who does that job in post-production, I would do a really horrible job.
	I wouldn't even bother to artfully pixelate.
	I would just put a giant black rectangle over everything.
	Just like it's so conspicuous.
	It's so annoying.
	I mean, it would like, it would be like, it wouldn't even have right angles.
	It would be a bad rectangle.
	It wouldn't even be a proper rectangle.
	That's what they should have done to Lena Dunham last night on HBO.
	It would be obscuring things in the shot that actually need to be seen by the audience.
	I would be a horrible sensor.
	And you wouldn't have a job long.
	Or I would like put the black bar over the bottom right-hand quadrant of the screen.
	Meanwhile, you can still see the tits.
	I mean, it just would not be proper work on my part.
	That's funny.
	Okay, Chefus, thanks for calling by.
	Bye.
	Thanks, guys, for doing the show.
	I have to hang up on every, I can't just have the whole, you know.
	Long goodbyes.
	Yeah, no, I'm sorry.
	When you go down that road, the hang up is imminent.
	If you want to be on the show tonight, the number to call is 623-242Cast.
	It is 623-242-2278.
	I'm just in shock.
	I can't believe what you said to me.
	I mean, I guess there is some instinctive expectation that that's why your former co-hosts quit using the forum.
	Not all of them.
	And I don't want to out who's who.
	I just don't want to do that.
	It's, you know, some things were told to be.
	Well, you only did the show with three people.
	It's not like.
	Right, but honestly, there's like some people that are still doing their own thing show-wise.
	I think, I don't know.
	I so checked out of the forum when I did.
	I really checked out.
	So, you know, I don't know what happened along that point.
	And then when we decided to just, and it wasn't even a hard decide.
	It just kind of happened.
	Like, there was no planning, and it was, everything was so serious about it.
	Like, I did no show prep for this, okay?
	You know, we just couldn't, we couldn't, the forum couldn't be controlled in that way.
	I mean, can you imagine how many look how many people got upset that nothing was done?
	Now, imagine how many people would have been upset had something been done.
	And I think those, I think that collection of people would have definitely been a group that I would hate to have seen go.
	That's a tough road to go down, MV, if you're going to do it to them.
	And then you're going to get people going, well, what about these people over here?
	And then what about those people over there?
	I mean, where does it stop?
	I've even got people giving me shit because, oh, you say that you delete like racial hatred stuff, but you left this.
	You know, I mean, I can't even announce that there is a certain type of content that I won't allow on the forum.
	Because if I do that, then that is used as ammunition against me to say, okay, well, why didn't you do X, Y, or Z over here?
	It gets so annoying.
	Well, and oh, by the way, don't you have a life?
	I mean, you can't sit around 24-7 and moderate this.
	No, that's what I do.
	Really?
	That's what I do.
	I have not bathed my children in months.
	I have not fed.
	I have an RSS feed just directly to my phone.
	Every post that gets submitted to Bell Gab, I get a little, my phone goes blink every time a podcast.
	I'm sorry, every time a post is submitted to Bellgab, if you're anywhere near me, all you hear is blink, blink, blink, blink constantly.
	I'm just reading, reading, reading.
	I have to know what's happening.
	How do you get through your classes in college like that, man?
	Well, it's a balancing act.
	Don't your professors tell you to get the fuck out of the room?
	No, I bring, I say, no, you don't understand what's happening.
	I walk up and I show them the RSS feed of posts, and they're like, oh, okay, I understand now.
	That's all it takes.
	How you're on the airlook.
	This is white crow.
	Hey, buddy.
	I was waiting for this guy.
	Oh, yeah.
	Turn off your device, sir.
	Oh, it's way bad.
	I'm in my office tonight.
	God, I'm doing work for taxes.
	I've got papers piled all over.
	I got to do that too.
	Oh, it's terrible.
	It is.
	And, you know, I'm paying taxes more so now than I have at any point in my life.
	It's confiscatory.
	I'm paying so many taxes.
	It's painful.
	So 94 million Americans can be out of work better.
	I mean, literally, the amount of taxes I've had to pay the last two years, it has altered my standard of living.
	Yeah.
	That's how much I've had to pay.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think I buy a few cruise missiles a year when Trump starts some stuff.
	I'll go, hey, there's one of my cruise missiles.
	Are you trolling us right now?
	Are you trying to direct the show toward Donald?
	There we go.
	They said the same thing about Ronald Reagan in the 1980s.
	Gonna nuke us all.
	And oh, my God, here we go.
	Trump 2016, baby.
	God.
	I'm on board all the way.
	You people in Wisconsin, you people in Wisconsin, you better do the right thing tomorrow.
	If Trump loses in Wisconsin tomorrow, I'm going to ban every Bellgab user that's known to be from Wisconsin.
	Excellent.
	I can give you a list.
	I know some of them.
	Well, get busy.
	Get busy.
	I'll just buy my way back in, MV.
	No problem.
	The forum price.
	I'll use a proxy.
	Nobody's ever thought of that.
	We have ways to monitor for proxies and such.
	So I was going to make a point, MV.
	Well, let's hear it.
	How you handle the forum.
	Oh, no.
	Another opinion on that.
	Let's hear it.
	No, no, no, no.
	You're doing excellent.
	Oh, shut your face.
	You do not think I do an excellent job.
	I do not need your false praise.
	I do not need your feigned approval.
	Thank you.
	Don't hang up on me.
	I guess you're not going to be able to do it.
	I won't hang up, but I know what you're doing right now.
	You'll go back on the forum and you'll say something completely antithetical to this.
	No, you manage to piss off everybody.
	I really like that.
	Well, do you think that perhaps that means something's being done right if everybody's mad at me?
	Yes, exactly.
	I don't think you really believe that, but I'm asking the question.
	Nope, nope, nope, nope.
	You don't allow any little click groups to happen.
	Just look like when you find out.
	What are you talking about?
	Your first complaint.
	Your tenure on Belgab started with you complaining about how it's run.
	And your complaint was that it's a click forum.
	So, you know, you want to, if you want to have some level of consistency here or credibility, let's go back a little bit and try and work some of that out.
	But MV, I love it.
	Oh, I like the way you put the emphasis on V. I always say MV, but you say MV.
	I like that.
	But I've learned from you.
	I've learned your brilliance.
	Oh, stop it.
	God.
	I know I'm younger than you, but I'm not that much younger than you.
	I understand what's happening here.
	My goodness.
	No, no.
	Look at, I bet you Owen is picked off at you right now over at a falky thing and the falky fortress.
	Right, right, right, right.
	You said you bet everyone is pissed off at me about that?
	Owen, Owen.
	Owen.
	Yeah.
	Who's Owen?
	Owen?
	Is that what you mean?
	Oh, my God.
	There's an N in there.
	I don't remember.
	The guy with the, you know who I'm talking about.
	No.
	No, I don't.
	Now I do.
	Thank you.
	I had to translate that.
	I don't think Onin's really pissed off.
	I think Onin is just overall disappointed with the fact that this entire Art Bell universe has simply blown up.
	And perhaps if he has a specific critique about the Falki's fortress, the Falkenberg Fortress, you know, maybe that's just a manifestation of his overall displeasure with things.
	I don't know.
	No, what is your game?
	What is your game with the Falkenberg Fortress?
	I think it was Lil Chris sent me an email that said, listen, I think it was Lil Chris.
	He said, listen, I think Falki is just done.
	He's not going to use Belgab anymore.
	Although he has made that declaration many times in the past that he's done with Belgab.
	And he said, it would be nice if you would consider starting a thread that only Falke gets to moderate, that only he can be the arbiter of, where only he can be the arbiter of who gets to come in and who doesn't.
	And I thought to myself, you know, after all of the years of abuse that Falky has taken on Belgab, this is, as a tip of the hat to him, this is the least I can do.
	And I also pointed out in the public Falke thread, I am looking for new moderation techniques.
	So this is an opportunity for me to study someone else's approach to forum moderation and get some new ideas.
	Right.
	So let's see.
	We have to Falke advising you on moderation and little Chris setting up and directing what you do with Falke.
	It's brilliant.
	Brilliant, MV.
	Oh, stop it.
	Again, your feigned approval.
	Is that the attraction from this Falky guy?
	Because I tried to watch one of his videos about a couple of months ago, and I got about two minutes into it and just was going, what in the hell is this guy?
	I don't know.
	Some of them are really, really horrible.
	I watched 900 of them once.
	Oh, no.
	He's like, I've done it.
	Is the attraction for you guys just so you can just make fun of him constantly?
	Is that why you even bring the guy up?
	I mean, he doesn't seem worthy of any of my time for sure.
	P. Kaiser, you are right now sounding like such a Belgab noob.
	Absolutely.
	Everybody wanders into the Falky.
	Like watching a train.
	I know.
	He sounds like every reaction that any new user on the forum would have to the Falkey thread.
	Yeah, well, that's well.
	You guys wait till MV puts public the Falkenberg Fortress.
	You'll be amazed.
	Will they really?
	Are they going to be amazed?
	You really mean that?
	MV, please.
	Nobody is going to be amazed.
	You can just stop it.
	Imagine what's happened in the public Falke thread for all of these years, only this time it's in a private thread.
	That's the Falkenberg Fortress.
	I will say, though, there is somewhat of a somewhat more familial energy about the whole thing since he gets to control who comes and goes.
	But, you know, it's the same old stuff, I think.
	Can I give you a tip?
	I think you should charge people to get in there.
	Well, I thought about that, but then what do I do?
	I'm going to have to give Falke.
	I don't know what they want in there because they can't get in there.
	You know, those supply chains are going to be a lot more.
	I know that's exactly right.
	Hey, the thought had crossed my mind, and then it occurred to me: well, but if I do that, I'm going to have to give Falke a cut, and then I'm going to have to keep track of how much money I owe him.
	We're going to have to come to some sort of agreement.
	It's going to be a big, fat mess.
	And if I'm going to set up $5, you know, kind of like Falky.
	Well, if I'm going to set up something like that, then I'm going to spend the time setting up an actual turbo mode.
	I've been working on it, setting up an actual Bellgab turbo mode where you will pay $15 per year and you'll get all kinds of additional functionality that you don't currently have.
	Dude, I'll give you $20 a year right now.
	You're watching cash flow.
	You're watching that cash flow every month.
	And when it goes down, hey, Falki's my go-to guy.
	When it goes down, what do you think it's been doing but going down?
	Have you been paying attention to what's been happening, sir?
	No.
	Okay, well, White Crow.
	That's the most honest answer of the whole night, right there.
	We appreciate the call, White Crow.
	I'll hang up on him now just so he can go out on a high note.
	You want to depart well.
	If you want to be on the show, the number to call a 623-242 cast.
	It is 623-242-2278.
	If you want to be on the GabCast, a podcast about BellGab.com.
	Okay, so we've talked about the Falkenberg's Fortress Ponyboy.
	I do hope that at some point after the conclusion of the show tonight, you will contact Falki.
	You will request access.
	And I suspect it'll be granted.
	I think Falki likes you.
	Actually, I've actually never directly attacked him.
	I've made a few jokes here and there, but nothing.
	Nothing the way other people have done.
	Mainly, I read.
	He does get over stuff.
	I mean, I have lobbed salvos in his direction.
	He has said very nasty things about me.
	He accused me of being a member of a failed band at one time.
	You know, it was just the things he has said about we get past it.
	You get over it.
	You move on.
	You look at the big picture.
	You mean there's a problem with being a member of a failed band?
	Well, I don't know, but he did.
	He's been a member of about 15 failed bands.
	He did refer to the three guys that I randomly get together and play with once every three weeks as my failed band.
	So I don't know.
	He scares the hell out of me.
	I saw a video of him like in his basement or something like that.
	And it's just, man, that's some creepy shit, man.
	I could not take it.
	It is?
	Yeah, it's not his basement.
	It looks like a basement.
	Oh, my God.
	That's even more scary.
	Elsie in the chat, I guess that's a little Chris says, good idea, MV.
	I'd pay.
	I know you would pay to get into Falkenberg's Fortress.
	But here's the other problem with that idea.
	If your money is accepted, then you can no longer be refused access to the thread.
	Right.
	They can't ban you right away.
	So that takes away from Falke's ability and I'm sure his desire to moderate the thread and control access.
	Although I'm sure if I came to him with the idea, I'm sure he'd be all on board with it because he would see the dollar signs, but he wouldn't be thinking about the other implications there.
	And that's a big one.
	You can't take people's money and then take the product that they've paid for away from them.
	Unless they donate it.
	You know what I mean?
	Like it has to be a stipulation.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Yeah, but that's.
	And that's a hassle.
	It's not going to work.
	Yeah, and I think I have paid at least $20 this year because I wanted to.
	To Bell Gab?
	Yeah.
	Well, I don't recall that donation, so please do it again.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, I don't smoke.
	You're not getting my money that way, sir.
	I'll just repeatedly tell people, no, I don't think you donated, so just go ahead and do it again.
	That's my approach to generating additional revenue.
	I like it.
	No, I was curious how it started.
	Thanks for telling me because I know how free speech oriented you are.
	So I was really surprised there was an area that wasn't free speech.
	It was interesting.
	I wasn't pissed.
	I don't have a dog enough.
	I don't care.
	I was just like, hmm.
	He rolls that thread with an iron fist.
	You wouldn't believe it.
	And I just thought I guess you'd call it irony that there has not been another user with moderation rights, with moderation privileges since 2009, since the summer of 2009.
	And who to think after all of this time, it would be Falke who ends up having that ability.
	Granted, it's on a limited basis on the private Falke thread, but I mean, who would have thought that would turn out to be the case?
	And by the way, tomorrow, Belgab turns eight.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	I've only been here, I think, since 12 or 13.
	I don't remember.
	Originally, CoastGab.
	No, originally, I'm sorry, I can't even keep up.
	Originally, GeorgeNorrySucks.com, and then eventually became CoastGab.com.
	Then it became Bellgab.com.
	All started from the sleeper birth of a truck in Pennsylvania.
	The sleeper birth of a semi.
	That's where you have to go.
	I'm Michael Van Dieven.
	I'm Michael Van Dieven.
	I feel terrible.
	This is only the third Gabcast I've even heard.
	Why do you feel bad about that?
	Well, I just should catch up or something.
	I mean, eight years, that's a long time.
	Well, the Gabcast is actually a rather recent creation.
	I don't think we had our first Gabcast until the end of 2013, something like that.
	yeah it's not that recent i mean like it's not i got hooked on your show because i listened to an old coast cab stream and that's how i found the forum And then I spent days reading the Nori Sucks.
	That's how all of the initial traffic to Bellgab, that's how it all started, was from that Art Bell stream that I used to run.
	And that thing used to get like 600 concurrent listeners.
	Every night, it would just hit right at about 600 concurrent listeners.
	It really got some ears.
	And that was how all of the initial traffic to then GeorgeNoriSucks.com was generated.
	If it weren't for that stream, I think that this would have never gone anywhere.
	Nothing would have ever happened.
	Nobody would have known about it.
	How would they know?
	It's sort of that network effect thing where you can't get eyeballs to your web page because there's nobody there.
	So to get people there, you're going to have to get people there.
	Well, how do you do that?
	I heard Art Bell talk about it back when he was doing the serious thing.
	I heard him talk about Bellgab.
	Oh, yeah.
	He was well aware of Bell Gab and a user of Bell Gab at that time.
	And then he went away from the serious thing.
	And then, you know, everything got ramped up for the new Midnight in the Desert thing.
	And that's when I finally decided, well, then when he was going to quit this, that's when I decided, you know, maybe I should peek into this Bell Gab and see what's going on and see if anybody knows what the hell is really going on behind me.
	So you waited until everything went to hell in a handbasket to try the forum.
	I know it's the worst.
	That's why I feel, you know, I wish I would have done it earlier, honest to God.
	Because it's, and I'm not kissing your ass, but it's very amusing.
	And actually, you can, it's informative sometimes, too.
	Well, you wouldn't be kissing my ass.
	You'd be kissing the asses of all of those entertaining people.
	Well, not all of them.
	Not all of them, no, but there are some people who really, I mean, I consider myself intellectually pretty sound, but there are a lot of people on Bell Gab that just cause me to stand back in awe and say, you know what, I am not nearly as well educated or intelligent as I think I am.
	Yeah, there are a couple people like that.
	In fact, I was just talking to my wife about it earlier today.
	One gentleman in particular who is just astoundingly bright.
	And then I read something that he wrote and spent a lot of time on.
	And it's one of the most juvenile pieces of shit I've ever read since I was in fourth grade.
	It's like, where in the hell did this come from?
	This guy's brilliant.
	Hey, Coler, you're on the air.
	Hi there.
	Hi, MV.
	Hi.
	Who's this?
	Hi, this is Venus.
	Venus?
	Yes, Venus Fireball XL5.
	I'm a member on GabCast.
	Well, I don't think you're.
	I'm a member of.
	I'm sorry, Bell Gab.
	Yeah, let's get the branding correct.
	Thank you.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	There's so many things.
	Have you and I ever spoken before?
	I don't think we have.
	Well, I think we did once, a couple times.
	Tell me about that again.
	I'm afraid I can't.
	I'll call you later.
	I'll just say that.
	But anyway, I'm so happy you're on tonight.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I accidentally muted you right when you started to compliment me.
	That was just coincidentally.
	I can't take it.
	As I've said before, my uncle touched my butt when I was four.
	I can't take compliments from people.
	All right, hang up on me now.
	Oh, go ahead.
	I'm sorry.
	Oh, my.
	But anyway, it's so good to hear you guys tonight.
	I really appreciate it.
	Well, I am glad you're here listening.
	I'm glad you called in.
	You sound like a wonderful woman.
	Well, anyway, I tried to get into the Falkenberg's fortress, but you have to be given access.
	You can't just, I think I'll just mosey into Falkenberg's Fortress today.
	It is a fortress.
	It is named appropriately.
	I know, but I did have a message with Brig, and she said she put in a good word for me.
	She's been doing that for a lot of people lately.
	She's been trying to get all of her friends signed up to Bellgab.
	And as soon as they sign up, she sends me a message in private.
	Michael, this is Brig.
	Now, this person named Charlotte's Webb 2387 is a friend of mine.
	And I want you to let them into Belgab, please.
	Praise MV.
	Of course, she locks it out with Praise MV, and that's what gets it done every time.
	She's so scared.
	I just love her.
	I think Brig is a lovely woman.
	She is.
	Anyway, I don't want to keep you, but in White Crow, he and I are both child stars.
	He was Howdy Duty, and I was Venus Fireball XL5.
	So we've got a lot in common.
	All right, show business is top kit.
	Talk to you later.
	All right.
	Well, we are certainly thankful you took some time to call.
	And that was Venus Flytrap.
	What is it at the end of it?
	XOXO?
	It's a Marionette.
	It's a XL5, I think.
	Yeah, it's a Marionette show from back in the 60s when I was a kid.
	And her avatar is the female lead on the Marionette show.
	It was Fireball XL5.
	It was kind of cool.
	Oh, XL5.
	I don't know, I am, what a XOXO.
	What a fruit I am.
	No, your name was better.
	Venus Flytrap XOX.
	That's the best.
	Okay.
	If you want to be on the show, the number to call 623-242 cast.
	It is 623-242-2278 to be on the Gabcast tonight.
	Okay, I don't have any show notes.
	And Chefist, no, or was it Gravity Sucks?
	Somebody typed out sort of a rudimentary show notes in the Gabcast thread, but I never really.
	I'll tell you, it's probably Chef.
	Did we finish the Richard Hoagland thing?
	Because somebody was asking about that.
	And I was just going to add a little something I had heard to that if anyone cares.
	Please do, please do.
	That was going on in chat before the show since we were there for a while.
	But I'm pretty sure he has stated, and there was an email that has been sent or is going to be sent, that they're separating from the network.
	And part of it has to do with the fact that Keith wants 20% to run their subscriptions.
	And I know that number is sound for other things, for other reasons.
	I don't know what the proper arrangement in that situation would be, but I would say at this point, they probably need Keith more than he needs them.
	That's probably true.
	I'm sorry.
	I mean, they probably need Richard more than he needs them.
	Well, right.
	Because I'm going to float this out there.
	I don't care.
	I've said enough crazy stuff tonight.
	How is the network still alive?
	If they lose Richard, you're telling me how they're going to support that network?
	Really?
	Well, I mean, I am told that they still have thousands of subscribers to Midnight in the Desert.
	I don't know how true that is, but I mean, I don't.
	I was glowing.
	I don't think I was being lied to.
	Richard's one of those guys that, and when I would hear him on Art Bell, it was an instant shut off.
	I can't listen to that.
	He is such a full-time.
	You know what?
	I'm glad I maintained my consistency because for years I have maintained that Richard Hoagland is the kind of guy that I would punch in the face if he spoke to me in person the way I hear him speak to people when he's guesting on our show.
	If he spoke to me that way, I would slap him like a woman.
	Just open-handed, right across the face.
	You would see his face turned to the side and his jowls would sort of shake a little bit as his face is turning as a result of the inertia.
	But not a hair would move.
	I don't think it would.
	Actually, I would do it just to see if the hair does move.
	You can't stand that anymore.
	Something of an experiment.
	But when it was announced that Hoagland was going to be hosting a show on the Dark Matter Radio Network and that he was going to be the follow-up show, suddenly everyone kind of backed off of their critiques of Hoagland.
	Oh, suddenly he's not such a bad guy.
	No, I maintained my consistency and continued to assert that I would like to punch Richard C. Hoagland in the face.
	Yeah, me too.
	I think a lot of people feel that way.
	I think they still feel that way.
	The first few weeks of that show were really entertaining, though, because it was a disaster.
	Do you think that's why?
	I mean, I hear people say that it was really great because Saucy Rossi was there.
	Was that a component of it?
	Or was it just because the show was such a train wreck?
	I think it was after.
	I think the show got better after him.
	I never listened consistently because I'm cheap.
	I didn't pay for it.
	So I just never really listened to it.
	But when I did, the first few weeks with the rap stuff and the phone ringing in the background, that was before they had Rossi.
	That was just freaking hilarious because he didn't know what he was doing.
	It's the same kind of stuff.
	Like, how do these people who have zero experience keep getting put in these positions?
	Hey, I got a question.
	This may be way out of left field, but have you guys ever watched Pawn Stars?
	Yes.
	Have you ever seen Corey's right hand?
	He has the word Braps tattooed right along the inside of his right hand.
	And I've always wondered if that had something to do with Hoagland in some weird way.
	I have no clue.
	Who has Braps?
	Corey Harrison on Pawn Stars.
	Really?
	Yeah, it's B-R-A-A-A-A-A-P-S right on the inside of his hand.
	He'd have to be a Bell Gabber because that was from us.
	So that's blew me away when I saw that.
	I saw that about a month ago and I couldn't believe it.
	I was out of my chair going, look, look, it's Bell Gab stuff.
	But because I'd never heard that word before until I was, you know, checking out Belgab and everyone making fun of Richard C. Why are there one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight people who apparently have administrative rights in the chat?
	I don't know who in the hell is Frankie Cum Sox.
	I don't know.
	Is this?
	And they won't tell me.
	And I really thought it was you because that seemed like your handiwork.
	No.
	I don't know how this is happening.
	And it's not WR250 because he's classier than that.
	It's just not how he is.
	Isn't that sad that I can recognize that?
	Because I've typed at these people for four years of my life.
	Well, I think that's it.
	The show's over.
	I don't see that there's that much else to discuss.
	I hope everybody enjoyed the show tonight.
	There is chaos breaking out in the room next to me.
	I don't know if you can hear it.
	Yes, we can.
	Yeah.
	I think that's good stuff.
	Well, I'm glad you guys were here.
	And thanks for having us.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	This is a lot of fun.
	Thanks to everybody who listened in the chat room and to everybody who's going to download the show after the fact.
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	So just visit ufoship.com.
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	So check that out.
	And we'll see you around Bellgab, okay?
	And you guys have a good night.
	We'll catch you later.
	Bye.
	You're not going to say bye?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Oh, boy.
	To hell with you, too.

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