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	This is the Gab Cast, a podcast about bellgab.com.
	Call the show now at 623-242-Cast.
	That's 623-242-2278.
	Now, shut up, sit down, and listen to the damn show.
	Sorry, Paperboy.
	Sorry about that, MV.
	We don't need to hear you tonight.
	We are going to hear plenty of that.
	Good evening, everybody.
	And welcome to The Gabcast, a podcast about a website administrator interviewing a radio legend who hosted a show that's now hosted by somebody else.
	Are you confused?
	I know I am.
	My name is Jasmunda, and tonight I'm joined by my co-host from another show that I host, a show called The Bell Files, dedicated to the same radio legend who hosted a show that's now hosted by somebody else.
	It's my great pleasure to welcome the evil ginger with a soul, the Mud King.
	Hello, Mud King.
	Hey, how are you doing?
	How are you doing?
	I'm good.
	Thank you.
	I'm hearing myself.
	I'm hearing myself come back.
	I don't know if that's something on your side.
	Your side.
	But I'm blaming you.
	Just blame me.
	If anything else fails, just blame me for everything.
	Also joining me tonight is a relative newbie to Bellgab.
	But judging by his post count, you would never know it.
	I am, of course, talking about Gravity Sucks.
	Good evening, Gravity.
	Howdy, y'all.
	Howdy.
	And lastly, but not leastly, I'm joined by a poster who I've never had any contact with on Bellgab prior to tonight.
	We have never crossed streams.
	He has never accused me of destroying any shows.
	He has never questioned my manliness in not producing a male heir.
	He is showroom dummy.
	May I call you showroom?
	Yeah.
	Awesome.
	May I be so bold to call you Show?
	Most times what I see, you can call me Show.
	Most times what I say is Jasmund is in the house.
	It's when I see you post.
	That's right.
	We have cross paths.
	There you go.
	And I am in the house tonight, and we're all in the house tonight.
	That's right.
	Okay, is our echo better?
	I don't know.
	Can you still hear me?
	I hear you, and I don't hear myself.
	So there we go.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	Wow.
	It fixed itself.
	It did.
	I'm glad you're here to cover up all the mistakes and failures that I've started this with.
	The chat room has no idea that this was not flawless.
	Well, nor should they.
	So it's been a massive week in the life of a Belgab poster.
	We had an exceptional interview the other night.
	MV interviewing Art Bell.
	What did you guys think?
	Don't all jump in at once.
	Okay, so my first question is, as you're listening to it, could you envision what it would be like to be that person sitting interviewing and asking questions and guiding a conversation with art?
	Because to me, that was so surreal that I couldn't envision myself in it.
	So it was really nice to know it was MV as the person doing it, someone who could handle the moment.
	Yeah, I thought MV did a brilliant, brilliant job.
	He covered most of all the bases.
	I don't think there was any other place you could have gone with the interview.
	Well, the biggest missing piece was he never got the recipe for pizza punch.
	That's true.
	Did not um, but you know, it can't be easy doing an hour and a half straight on down with Art Bell, having been influenced to do radio in the first place by that same guy uh, to do an hour and a half with no breaks and then go to live calls unscreened.
	It it was, it was a, it was a big task and uh I, I commend him uh, he did a, he did a fantastic job.
	Um that's, that would be my overview.
	I don't know how, what you guys think, but that would be my overview.
	Well I I, I wonder what uh, Mv's expectations uh for the interview were and um, I have a bit of a clip here, because Mv's not joining us tonight.
	Let's hear what Mv had to say about that.
	A lot of people have probably wondered what the approach to this show would be, because there's been so much controversy over the last almost two months I think we're a week shy of two months since you left midnight in the desert, pretty much everything from, I would imagine uh, be kind to him to eviscerate him and scattered him along, you know, outside somewhere.
	Well, I think what.
	What I want my approach to this show to be is.
	I want to ask the questions that everybody, the reasonable questions, the need to know, questions that everybody would like asked.
	At least do my best to accomplish that.
	But at the same time, i'd like this to be something people can listen to in 20 years and still enjoy it and appreciate it.
	So do you think Mv accomplished his task?
	I would say yes.
	I mean they.
	They could have gone into so many different directions that are inside baseball to the moment.
	Right now, that will turn out to not be something that is interesting to a listener in 20 years or 10 years, because it'll just fall to the wayside.
	I think he really did a good job of grabbing the essence of him and uh, before I get too far into the show tonight, as a couple things I wanted to say, I have a prepared speech uh, and that is.
	Art is a great guy.
	I think his family's safety is very important and he should uh focus on that before he may come back.
	I think Keith has a tough job and Heather is doing a great job.
	One thing i'd like for us to talk about is all the new affiliates Heather is getting.
	Uh, maybe MV should moderate the forum a little bit better uh, and you know we should proclaim victory over a lot of the critics there, and that is from the Gabcast bingo, everyone.
	Make sure you're marking that I wanted to get as many in as I could in the very beginning.
	That wasn't your uh view, that was just the uh bingo.
	Um, that was me just randomly picking parts of it to throw up.
	So the the ass kissing.
	So the ass kissing is you've.
	You've got that out of the way because well I, i'm really counting on the, the fact that uh, no one has the balls to call in uh, we probably should talk about 4chan uh, and publicly shame certain critics.
	You know who you are and well, that's what i've said numerous times.
	I've posted this.
	I said everybody that's a member of BELL GAB Should embrace and feel joy that Art Bell came to Gabcast.
	Don't want to leave that hanging there.
	This episode is going well.
	But that's what I think he did.
	I mean, you know, he came and he talked, and that is incredible for whatever it's worth.
	But you know what?
	I don't think that anything that he says, the people that are his detractors, the people that don't believe his story, they're never going to, it doesn't matter what he says, they're not going to believe it.
	And whether they're just doing it to troll, whether they're just doing it because they actually just don't believe it, there's no amount of convincing them.
	And I mean, they're just as they have just as much right to their opinions as anyone else does.
	But no amount of art saying things on the radio is going to convince them.
	Well, I always wonder for the people who are detractors, and you're right, they have every right and ability to say what they feel.
	And Bellgab is a place that is ready-made for them to do that.
	But what does it keep them coming back?
	I can understand if you aren't happy with the situation, you disagree with his point of view, and it's all, again, totally fair for them to do.
	But what brings you back the next day after that?
	That's a good question.
	If you would like to call the show tonight, what's our phone number?
	Because I can see we've got the Gabcast number, I've got train wreck number.
	Yes, you can reach us at 623-242-CAST.
	That's 623-242-2278.
	Or you can also go to Skype and look for the.gabcast.
	That'll get you into us, assuming that my audio setup is working correctly now.
	And you know what?
	Give us a call.
	Either way, let us know what you think.
	I mean, we don't want to just present one view here.
	We want all views.
	We're happy to listen to what anyone's got to say.
	So, you know, if you've got an opinion and particularly a strong one, give us a call.
	Let's have a chat about it.
	Yeah, I think it's one thing that people get confused about, especially when you're willing to be what I would call a keyboard warrior.
	You'll type a lot of stuff, a lot of strong opinions that they think that we don't want to hear that and we couldn't respond to it.
	And I can, and you can, any of us could.
	I would much rather have this conversation on the air and then follow it up with some back and forth conversation on a thread because then I can hear the nuances of your voice.
	I can understand which points are really important to you and which ones you're making a joke on.
	So, yeah, if you have a strong opinion that is against what MV said, against what Art said, against what any Bellgab member has said or any other radio show out there, I mean, call and tell us and share your side.
	This is everyone's forum, not just our forum.
	And if we sit and talk positively about it, then screw us, fix it.
	See, sometimes I feel my overview of Bellgab at this point is it's like the island of Misfit Toys, of which I'm also a member.
	It's like, well, MV's here and everybody's going to be happy.
	Look, Gravity Sucks and the Mood King.
	And that's what it seems like.
	So if Santa was running Misfit Island, he would be getting just as much Santa sucks like art has gotten.
	It's just in the matrix of the model.
	Why am I such a misfit?
	I'm a misfit, man.
	But maybe you're not.
	I'm not a misfit.
	I'm not part of the island.
	No, I am one of the misfits, totally.
	Yeah.
	All right, let's see if we're able to take callers.
	Can you hear us?
	MV is a fag.
	He is, isn't he?
	I mean, I'm glad someone called in and had the guts to say that.
	Tell us something we don't know.
	We lost the caller.
	That would have been a good debate.
	Wow.
	But you know what?
	One thing I don't like is, and it's from both sides as well, that if someone has a dissenting opinion, they're either trolls or they're sycophants or whatever.
	It doesn't have to be like that.
	We can all have different opinions.
	And I don't like it when someone who has a strong opinion thinks, well, I'm right and you're just wrong.
	And, you know, we can both be sort of right.
	The one question I didn't think got asked was, Art, why did you come to Gabcast?
	Why are you doing this?
	I don't think that question, and I posted it.
	Art didn't respond to it.
	And that was one, I still have that question.
	Well, you know, Art, why did you come to Gabcast and do it?
	I think it's wonderful.
	I don't want to, you know, glad he did it.
	But what's the over the overview?
	And the last thing that I heard in his voice, what I got from him, is sadness.
	I felt that there was a, if you pulled back the veil and looked a little deeper, you'd see that art was sad.
	And I don't know exactly what all that is because we didn't seem to get there.
	But that's just my other observation from listening.
	Yeah, I think we'll get to a point that we can discuss, at least from my thought, why he felt that way.
	And at least that sadness that was in his voice during it.
	But the question that you ask is probably the underlying, as a member of Bell Gab, question that I have unrelated to why he left the air, why he doesn't turn in information or publicly acknowledge the stalker.
	All those things are questions that kind of swirl around the situation.
	But like the actual event itself, to me, the most pressing question is, you have a network already that you've been a part of that promoted you coming back to the air with Midnight in the Desert.
	And we're lucky enough to get you in our realm with the Gabcast with probably the most artful talker in the group interviewing you.
	Why did you pick that?
	Right.
	Are you saying, do you think he should have perhaps gone on his own show and explained it to the masses, to the people who are actually still subscribing?
	It depends on what his point was.
	It depends on what he was trying to do.
	So if he was.
	Was he just trying to, I mean, obviously on Bell Gab, the majority view has been sort of negative and angry at, or the loudest view has been negative and angry.
	Was he just sort of apologizing to that segment of the community?
	Yeah, we've got a caller.
	What is your opinion, Caller?
	This is White Crow.
	This is White Crow.
	Thank you.
	Are you going to send Art a hoodie?
	Yeah.
	Okay, good.
	And his family.
	Does this hoodie actually exist?
	Beautiful daughter.
	Pardon.
	Does this hoodie actually exist, or is this just in joke?
	It's my design is being drawn up by an artist now, but you know how artists are.
	You can't push them too much.
	So I have to be patient.
	It'll be there.
	You want me to send one to Australia?
	I'll pay for you to send one to Australia.
	Yeah, sure.
	I'll earmail it.
	Get there quick.
	It'll be a month or so.
	It'll be in production.
	The checks in the mail.
	Oh, wait.
	Those words have been said before.
	The chicks in the mail.
	Those are infamous bellgap words.
	So, White Crow, how did you feel about the call?
	Do you have anything to do with it?
	I am so upset with MV to allow what happened to Art.
	No, what part?
	The call or the question.
	No, no, no, no.
	Not to allow what happened on the forum to Art and to Heather.
	He can moderate it.
	There's no free speech there.
	That's utter bullshit.
	He can do what he wants.
	If he wants to run this forum to maximize the income on it, then he's pissing off through Art Bell hands.
	Art is like, as I post, art is like a fine artist.
	I don't care if he comes back once a week, once a year.
	I want to hear art.
	I don't want Art went through a very tragic event, and to do that to him when he's concerned about the family, unforgivable.
	So you're saying I may be banned for this one?
	No, I don't think MV would ban you for that.
	I'm just kidding.
	Not banning me.
	That is.
	Not kidding about art.
	Not kidding about the donation you're going to put in after this, right?
	Well, I respect it.
	I think NV is a great talent, and he's got a lot of skills, and I hope he goes far.
	But this is my opinion that he made a huge mistake.
	Just what the forum is all about.
	We know what Art's past is, and he'll come and he'll go, but to allow what happened to him and the trashing of him and Heather day after day after day.
	Yeah, okay.
	So I agree with you.
	My opinion is basically the same as yours, but at the same time, he didn't do anything different than the way to be devil's advocate on this.
	He didn't administrate the forum any differently on the day that the bad stuff, you know, quote-unquote bad things started than he did six months or a year before.
	It's just now I don't like what I'm seeing, so I would like to see it moderated.
	But we all show it up to Bell Gab with the same type of comments being made on a regular basis.
	It's not totally new.
	It's just the volume is what's new.
	Look, I don't like it either.
	It's a fan forum for art.
	Yeah, but you can go by the...
	You allow a bunch of people in there that just trash them day after day after day, week after week after week.
	But what about...
	I've been banned four times because I push MV a little bit and make fun of him.
	He bans me for that.
	Okay, you can't see anything negative about MV on his forum too much.
	It'll take a little kidding, but he has his limit.
	What would his limit be to allow that to happen to him?
	Well, that's different because he owns it.
	Anybody can post anybody's opinion.
	That's BS.
	He wouldn't allow it.
	It was about him.
	You just have to accuse MV of having sand in his vagina, apparently.
	That always does the trick.
	But I mean, are you?
	Look, what about the trashing of George Nori?
	I mean, that's been going on for years.
	I don't think the ARPA.
	I don't participate in that thread.
	I don't think it's right to do that to him either.
	But again, this isn't my forum, and I enjoy a lot of it on many different levels.
	But he can do what he wants, and I can be upset with it.
	That's my problem, not MB's problem.
	We've got another caller on the line.
	Who is this with us?
	Hello.
	Unknown caller, you are there.
	Hello, caller.
	Caller, you're live.
	We're a couple of misfits together here.
	All right.
	Going, going, gone.
	Yep.
	All right.
	I'd like to talk to Jasper.
	You know, when you talk about the George Nori, the George Nori sucks thread, if you take a look at the post there, people go in there every once in a while and they'll go ahead and make a random hit and run comment.
	But, I mean, it's just one and done.
	It's not the same thing over and over and over again, post after post.
	I think that's the biggest difference.
	And maybe it's just because all this stuff with art is just new and maybe it'll settle down over time.
	But I mean, it's just not even enjoyable to go into some of those threads at times now.
	It's about him and Heather and their relationship.
	I mean, it's just, I only read probably 10% of her that just irritates the hell out of me.
	That's about 8% more than I do.
	I think that was the goal of most of the people that are doing it over and over is to lessen the enjoyment of everyone else because you can have a look.
	The people posting now are completely different to the people posting a long time ago.
	And I don't think that's people pissed off about what happened to art.
	I think people are staying away because of what the forum has now become.
	So I guess.
	You didn't post for quite a while.
	I would speculate that you were pretty upset with what was going on.
	Yeah, but like it got to the point with me.
	I'm not going to end up there.
	No, no, no.
	I am upset, but I'm also not going to argue with people that I'm not going to change their view.
	They're not going to change my view.
	I don't necessarily, I'm upset that art's not on the air anymore.
	As I said on the Bell Files, I'm not going to cry about it.
	Do I believe every aspect of the story?
	I don't know.
	I wasn't there, but neither was anyone else.
	So for someone else to say he's lying, well, he doesn't, this person saying he's lying doesn't have any more insight than I do.
	So I'm not going to argue with them.
	It's beating a dead horse.
	So maybe that's why I've stayed away.
	You know, and I don't need to be.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Yeah, I think that Art Bell is old school.
	And when he showed up to this, this is the world that we're living in today.
	And he would expect people to cover his back because he's old school.
	That's what I think his intent was, not realizing that you can't do that in the world that we're in today.
	You got to let it just be what it is.
	And you can't take what people are writing, writing, serious or not serious.
	You got to let it just be.
	You can't fight it, like you said, because everybody has a different opinion.
	Some people are just sitting there, instead of writing a letter about how you suck, how your movie's terrible, and blah, blah, blah, how that used to be.
	And then they would never get a response.
	Now they can instantly get a response by a defender.
	And back and forth and back and forth.
	I watched King of Kings and Dark Penguin both say at some point on the threads, I was an asshole.
	I was out of line.
	I was this, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	So what's the solution here?
	Just let it roll off your back.
	That's what I think art probably should have taken that approach.
	But I've seen it completely calm down now.
	There's a lot less of it these days, which is good.
	Yeah, and eventually it will return to.
	I don't think it'll ever return to the way it was, because there was always that, you know um, that actually coming back.
	But I think as time goes on um, it's going to be clear that Art probably isn't coming back.
	So to Art yeah, art coming back.
	You think you want to know when Art's coming back, want me to tell you, yeah, I always have.
	Either I'm a prophet or a crackpot.
	I hope you're both.
	Those are my preferred prophets or crackpots.
	Three days a week.
	I think Art had started doing this and realized five days ain't cutting.
	It don't want to do open lines.
	Do I really need to?
	All his old guests were kind of coming back.
	I think he just got to a point where the market is saturated.
	How many more things can we talk about paranormal?
	It's been done to death.
	So if I do it three nights a week, that'd be nine guests a month.
	And my overview is from what he said on the interview.
	Respond to that.
	Sorry okay, all right, go ahead.
	Oh, I'm sorry um, and I'll just let me finish my last point.
	The overview is that what I got, because you wouldn't talk about Hoagland.
	When Hoagland was mentioned on the thread.
	He said I will not discuss Richard Hoagland, which which indicates to me that they're not.
	They're not friends or they haven't made up.
	And until unfortunately, Richard Hoagland leaves DARK Matter, until that happens, ART won't be back.
	My prediction is, when Richard Hoagland is no longer in DARK Matter, ART will be back.
	That's, that's an old school vibe.
	That's just my take.
	I hope I'm wrong, but we will see.
	That's actually the first time I've heard that and it it works.
	I accept it.
	We've got another caller.
	Are you there this time?
	Hello, you are here.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Tiger Lily, the founding member of ARTS TOTS everyone, that's correct.
	I just I just wanted to put out a challenge to all the critics and trolls who I put in two different categories that whine and cry and carry on and say nasty things but they can't call in because I think all their voices are prepubescent, that that would go along with the center of the square, which is no one had the balls to call in.
	So go ahead and mark that on your bingo boards, everybody.
	Thank you, Tiger Lily, for covering that one.
	Can I address one of my fans in the uh chat?
	Oh, i'm sorry, Tiger Lily, you weren't finished.
	Go ahead.
	Can I address Recuff?
	I am a troll, I am an artistic troll, a very rare bird.
	I've been banned four times for hassling MV and what else you got to Recuff for me.
	See what I would love for you, for you and him to to debate it, because i'm i'm, i'm fine with him being in the chat And typing and giving his opinion.
	But like I said earlier, the nuances of a conversation on a phone, like we're doing with this, creates so many layers of texture that if he happens to be an artful troll too, then you guys could have some fun with this or you could have a fight.
	Not that I really want to have another fight on the Gamcast I'm the host with, but if that's what's going to happen, let it be.
	But going back as showroom dummy, what is it that makes you feel that your prediction is tied to RCH?
	Because I hadn't thought about it like that before.
	I'm intrigued to hear more about your just for how RCH treated the situation after it went down, kind of like slighting Heather a little bit, saying, hey, I should really be taking over.
	He also said, I'm not Art Bell, I think, one night, which was wow, to say that.
	I'm not Art Bell.
	And I've known Richard.
	I interviewed Richard, like I said.
	Listen, I'm going to sound like him now, but I interviewed him in 91 and 92 on my show.
	Did you know Cronkite?
	Yes.
	No, I didn't know Richard.
	I didn't know I didn't know Cronkite.
	Cronkite.
	Anyway, my vibe of Richard is he will jump into any opportunity if it presents itself, which I feel he did in this case.
	And it's just from what his tonality's been on the radio since Art left, and nothing's happened for him.
	And I don't really see him moving from out of that spot.
	So if he really got Art upset because of the firing of Rossi, also, Art made it very clear that Heather is carrying the network.
	See, Art doesn't really lie.
	Art also, did you hear the little vibe against Keith when he first got on?
	He was kind of saying, Yeah, Keith's kind of like, he don't listen when I want to talk to him about things, and he just doesn't listen to it.
	I'm hearing that.
	Jazz, you have that clip, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Let's play really quickly.
	I love it, man.
	Mud King's on the money.
	Woo!
	Thanks, Jazz Munda, for that.
	Jazz Munda on the money.
	Sorry, this is what I do.
	This is how I really am.
	I'm out of my mind.
	Well, keep it up.
	Again, you are now my favorite prophet/slash crackpot.
	Do you see?
	I'm moving up to the east side.
	Here we go.
	Keith is Keith.
	And Keith is ones and zeros.
	Yeah, really.
	I mean, that's Keith, ones and zeros.
	So even when I was doing the show, when I was first doing it, I didn't have anybody I could talk to.
	You know, I would try to talk to Keith about the show.
	Well, he's not interested in the content.
	So it's like talking to the wall.
	Keith, you know I'm right.
	If you're listening.
	So he loves his computers and he does a good job at what he does, but he's not anybody to bounce anything off of, you know, from a talent perspective.
	So what did you think of that?
	Throwing kicks under the bus?
	Yeah, that's some of the heaviest thing you could say.
	You're Art Bell and you got nobody to talk to about the show you're doing and how you're doing.
	You came back.
	It's like, that's heavy.
	Sorry.
	You need feedback.
	You need to be able to bounce ideas off of.
	That's what I read on that.
	Yeah, yeah, no, I do too.
	But it just, it surprised me.
	Keith has been there.
	You know, he started out as a fan listening to the show.
	So he must have some input with what's going on talent-wise.
	Or maybe he is just a computer person.
	Well, I felt like he was talking to Keith right there.
	And this is my conspiracy theory that him coming on the Gabcast was at the same time another message to Keith because Keith would need the income that you would get from having art come back because I assume that would be a spike.
	It was a spike for the Gabcast to have art on, so it would be the same for Keith.
	So not only did Art take that spike and bring it over to the Gabcast and the UFOShip.com website.
	But during it, he went ahead and talked about this seemingly inside situation he's in where Keith, like Jazz said, was a big fan back in the day, created all kinds of fan-related things that now they can't talk about the show anymore.
	So that means there's some kind of divide there, which isn't a surprise.
	I mean, we've all seen the posts and the conversations back and forth about who's quit, who's been let go, who's back together.
	So it's not like it's not been a rocky relationship anyway, but we haven't heard it in their own words like that.
	And you know, Keith, if he wasn't listening at that moment, because Keith has a tough job, then he heard it at some point.
	Somebody shared that clip with him.
	Yeah, remember when I was on the kick to have credit cards back when he started the show?
	Right.
	And, you know, I reached out to Keith through the bank I'm with, and we spent quite a bit of time trying to find out what software he was using.
	Not that we wanted to be accountable for our bank, but so he could match it up and go to a bank and have a pretty easy system and explain it to him.
	He just didn't want anything to do with it.
	He's just a kind of guy to me that gets an idea in his head and it works for him.
	And he's like Art said, I just posted on the chat from the show last week.
	Keith do zeros and ones.
	Well, the thing is, he does a good job.
	He does a credible job, but we all have our limitations.
	Well, and you need to.
	Even I do.
	Well, you don't have limitations, White Crow.
	Don't say things like that.
	Well, I'm not Donald Trump.
	I mean, I'm trying, but I'm not to that level yet.
	You'll be there.
	Someday you're going to be out.
	One day when there's like 17 candidates for whichever party you're in, you're going to be the one in the center of that debate.
	I totally believe it.
	You know, one more observation is that Art Bell is kind of like a rock star.
	And I've been in the music business my whole life and dealt with a lot of rock stars.
	And he is a classic rock star, rock star of radio.
	And with all that, not obviously the drinking and all of that, but his overall demeanor is of a rock star.
	And that's how he treats things.
	And he's like, he'll have his little tempor tantrums and be like, I'm quitting and blah, blah, blah, blah.
	I'm not in the band anymore.
	I'm in the band.
	I'm out of the band kind of thing.
	So my overview is that he has a rock star vibe sometimes and has to be treated with ginger gloves.
	And I think that that is also, he's not a saint here.
	I think you can't have that kind of talent.
	Because he got on.
	When he got on, when I saw this into the show, I was like, yeah, man, we're back.
	We're back.
	I'm digging all this.
	The interview's great.
	This is great.
	Art's on.
	Energy level was high.
	Yeah.
	Things were going well.
	But White Crow, have anything else for us?
	See you again, please.
	Do you have anything else for us?
	No, I don't have anything else.
	Just listening.
	Very deck, love art, adore Heather, MV.
	He's okay.
	Good night, guys.
	Good night.
	Thank you.
	Awesome.
	Oh, thank you, brother.
	So Basically, after they basically started off the interview the other day talking about politics.
	And I just wanted to know: do you guys art has always said he couldn't do a whole show on politics, but he obviously does enjoy talking about it.
	Do you do you guys like it when Art talks politics or are you just purely a paranormal listener?
	Well, I would much rather have him when there is content, fresh content out there, something happens in the news.
	I would love to hear both he and/or whether, I mean, Heather, go ahead and talk about it and give some opinion on it.
	Yeah, I think first off, I'd listen to him read the phone book or like you know, the menus that were facts to him back in the day as fax machine spam.
	But if he's going to tell us all the other little tidbits of his life, politics are a part of his life too.
	So if he has something he wants to share with us, I'm going to listen to it.
	Yeah, that's what I remember.
	I remember back when he used to talk about Ron Paul a lot back in the 90s when he, I mean, there was always something to talk about when Clinton was president.
	A lot of the shows in the archives.
	And that's great radio.
	I mean, today, even here in the Respect Designer today, it's really good radio.
	Yeah.
	When I when I said one time, I said on the last gap cast, I said, the world needs your voice art kind of thing.
	And somebody made some kind of comment.
	Good God.
	You know, Sherwood Dummy's out of his mind.
	And my point along those same lines of what you're saying, Mud King, is that I really, really think that his vibe on things, his take, how he's viewing it, was always fun to listen to.
	Whatever's going on in the world, I always wanted to see or I wanted to hear what Art's feelings were on it.
	And he would always present it in such a fashion that it would be interesting to hear his viewpoint.
	I missed that.
	I definitely missed that.
	During the Sirius hiatus in between Sirius and Midnight in the Desert, he obviously wasn't allowed to go on the air or even do a video cast or something like that.
	But during our gap cast, I always wanted him to and sort of was sort of wanting him to at least comment in the written form even on artbell.com or whether it's through Facebook, just comment on sort of world events and what's going on and things like now, the Zika virus and all that.
	And now that we're not going to have art or might not have him anymore, we're not going to get that.
	And it's a shame.
	Well, you know, that brings up something that's always surprised me.
	Obviously, Art likes social media.
	He likes to go on Twitter.
	Well, he's not as active, I don't think, now as he was in the very beginning, but he loves Facebook and he's on there a lot and shares opinions on it.
	Why doesn't he use artbell.com to, at the minimum, do blog posts?
	Because he could do that from the safety of anywhere and share his opinions on these things.
	Here's the guy who wrote the book about the quickening.
	And the way the world is going now, things are happening so much quicker.
	The callbacks to old stories and issues are happening so much quicker now that if he can't be on the air, why not transition himself towards using the website for that?
	And then it's very easy then to feed all that stuff to social media and still get all the interaction he wanted.
	But instead, we don't get that.
	Artbell.com, I think, is a place that we should be hearing Art's voice or reading Art's opinions.
	You know what?
	I think there's two reasons.
	One, Art doesn't, even though he probably owns the domain artbell.com, it's totally run by Keith.
	I think Keith gets all the ad revenue from it.
	I think he posts all the content.
	So art doesn't really have anything to do with artbell.com on a day-to-day running basis.
	It doesn't mean he can't use that venue to speak and to interact with his audience.
	But yeah, it's for that reason.
	And two, I don't think Art's really much of a writing an article type of a guy.
	He'd be better off posting a video blog, a vlog, or whatever they call it, or even an audio podcast, but then we're getting back into the whether it's.
	Talkers talk, writers write.
	Yeah, well, Austin Andy in the chat room said, why isn't he just doing F and podcast?
	Yeah, but that goes back to the safety issue.
	Yeah, I know.
	Say whether you want whether you believe it or not.
	Obviously, Art believes that or thinks that.
	And there's some magic to doing something live, even with all the technical problems that you could possibly have during a live show.
	He was very clear that that's where his love is, is doing something live.
	But I just wish that we had a way to hear his voice authoritatively, even if it is hearing it just in the written form.
	I'm okay with that.
	Just give me that then, and you could explain to me all the reasons that we're in the situation we're in from there.
	Rather than have the post from Keith that explains who all the choices were for Midnight in the Desert and the whole uncomfortableness that we got to listen to when Art was trying to explain who his first choice was and then realizing that his first choice might not have been Keith's first choice.
	If that post had been written from Art's voice and Art's point of view, even if he didn't write it, but he translated it to somebody.
	I think there's a bit of confusion about that whole thing.
	And I don't think it was explained well by Art or by Keith.
	I think what happened was, obviously for Midnight in the Desert, Art's first choice was Heather.
	He says that that's his first choice.
	But I think network-wise, what Keith said when he wrote that post on artbell.com, I think what he meant to say was that they offered the show before art to Howard Hughes or Michael Vera or whoever else.
	And what he was saying was that if those guys had done that, and that would have been months ago, and they had been the lead into art, then if art went off the air, it probably would have been the show would have been offered to them.
	But when this all happened, there was no lead into art.
	So Art just on that night, his first choice is Heather.
	And what I think it comes down to is no communication between Art and Keith, and it goes back to the ones and zeros.
	Right.
	Right.
	Yeah, I think, but Bateman, when he got on the show, I think Bateman does a great job.
	However, the only thing I will disagree with at this point, if Bateman was really offered the Midnight in the Desert gig.
	Could I just let you finish that in a sec?
	That Bateman thing was afterwards.
	It was once Heather took over.
	Heather took over, and then subscribers were down.
	Advertisers were probably leaving in droves.
	I don't know.
	You know, Pete and maybe Keith were like, how do we sell this show anymore?
	Then they went to maybe Bateman and all that.
	I wish I had remembered, Jazz, during one of our Bell Files episodes, when we had the MV on as a guest, and Bateman called in, and we had a pretty frank conversation about what you would do if you're the one who got that call from art.
	And they both agreed.
	Both said no.
	Yeah, they would not have done it.
	Yeah, see, I think that's madness, guys.
	I think, I mean, why are you bothering to do podcasts and all this other stuff out of New York if you're offered the gig and you feel you got the goods?
	Those opportunities don't come that often.
	That's just my overview on it.
	But, you know, I think, regardless, it doesn't matter.
	Even if the thing crashes and burns, people hear you.
	People don't forget how good you were.
	Even if it crashes and burns, you jump to another gig.
	You don't turn down the gig if they're offering you Midnight in the Desert.
	You don't turn that gig down.
	I don't care who you are unless you don't really feel that you have the goods.
	That's just my take on it.
	In a vacuum, you're right.
	Go ahead, Jazz.
	I'll let you sort of, I think the reason Bateman didn't want to take it on, and this was after Midnight in the Desert with Heather had started.
	There was a whole lot of backlash about that.
	There would have been backlash no matter who took over.
	I think by then it was a bit of a shitstorm.
	And I don't think Bateman wanted to step into the fray.
	I mean, who would step into that firing line?
	Talent always rises to surface.
	I disagree.
	As a matter of fact, hearing you, you could do the gig too.
	Maybe you don't want to, family, whatever the reason.
	I'm just saying.
	I'm just saying.
	I support that.
	I think Jazz Munda should be the weekend host of Midnight in the Desert.
	Listen, dude, you sound great, man.
	I mean, it's like I could listen to you all night.
	Go ahead.
	I mean, that sincerely.
	I'm just telling you.
	I don't have the confidence to do that, and I never would.
	But anyway, here is.
	You know what?
	I'll push you.
	I'll push you.
	You know, gravity, what do you think?
	Jazz?
	Midnight in the desert?
	Come on.
	He's got to work on his accent a little bit because he sounds too much like a cockney accent.
	But other than that, I think he could do a good job.
	All right, let's see.
	Let's see what Art has to say about Heather.
	One moment.
	Having said all of that, Art, you know just as well as I do, Heather's not what people want.
	Which is why they're complaining.
	Their main complaint is not Heather when they do complain.
	Their complaint is it's not art.
	That's right.
	I failed to make the point just a moment ago.
	It would not matter who was placed in the chair, male, female.
	We've seen it a million times.
	The same level of criticism would have been thrown at that person.
	And taking that fact into account, I think, makes Heather all the more ballsy having accepted the position she did.
	Kudos to her.
	That's what it comes down to.
	I mean, it doesn't matter who would have gone into that seat.
	They would have.
	And I think I don't want to throw the gender card, but I think particularly because it was a woman, I think, but do you think that was any more of a factor with the backlash?
	Well, so that initial episode, like with what Showroom Dummy was saying, my thought is in a vacuum, Showroom Dummy, you're correct.
	But because of that test episode and the backlash that occurred from it, we have some data to work from on what it's like to follow up.
	And we also know what it's like for any host who's been on coast to coast that's replaced art.
	And none of them have been treated with a fair shake.
	And part of that's because they maybe weren't the best talent for it.
	I'm not going to discount that.
	But those people were in the business for a while and their number just got called.
	And when you look at George Norrie, George has far more hate than anyone has gotten so far around this Midnight in the Desert situation.
	But he's got a mission.
	He's got his eyes on the prize, whether it's right or wrong.
	He's doing his thing.
	I never thought Norrie was that good anyway.
	I mean, I never, even from the day he took over Arts Gig, and Art's like, this is our choice, the great, you know, George Norrie.
	And I never felt that he had the goods.
	Yeah, but the thing is, his eyes were on the prize, and he saw it the same way you do as this is a chance to get an audience and then try to earn that.
	And, you know, and now he's on there and he's phoning it in while he's sitting there in the interview.
	He phones it in.
	Bobby doesn't even have to ask any questions, doesn't even have to know what the guest is.
	Just the questions pop up.
	He jumps from one to the next and blah, blah, blah.
	Doesn't care, doesn't listen to his guests, doesn't pay attention.
	I get all that.
	Yeah, my point is, though, that with Bateman or MV or anyone who's been behind.
	And MV's great.
	MV could do it.
	He's got a mix of a Stern kind of, he sounds like Stern and Art Bell.
	He's like a weird mix.
	And when he gets riled up, like the after calls that he took, the 20 minutes that he posted, that was classic, great radio.
	But he's talking to people.
	That was just brilliant.
	I totally.
	But he didn't do that in the interview at Art.
	He didn't show up with that until he got on his own and Art's gone.
	Then he went into his, you know, his normal thing.
	He was a different, he was a little bit different.
	I'm not saying he wasn't great.
	It was.
	But it was still interesting.
	I'm not saying that it was, but it was brilliant radio.
	Now, as far as Bateman, I've heard Bateman.
	Bateman's great.
	I think Bateman could do the gig.
	I'm not trashing the guy.
	And I'm not saying that someone said you're calling him a pussy.
	I'm not calling him a pussy for not taking the gig.
	I'm just saying you should have taken the gig if you could.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Well, here's the thing.
	Now, I guess where I was trying to get to with it was that test episode, Art.
	Right.
	Art set it up to fail.
	Just to be honest, he had a reason for wanting to have a co-host for it and to introduce a new person into the mix.
	And that's Art's reason.
	And he never explained it.
	He didn't say, this isn't Coast.
	This isn't Dark Matter.
	This is Midnight in the Desert.
	And this is different.
	And here's why it's different.
	And here's what you're going to hear.
	If he had done that, if he had set it up very confidently with a plan, then the people who were listening, maybe, and I say maybe for sure, not that they would, follow him along with it.
	But instead, he just threw in out of nowhere to the average listener this person who didn't have a lot of radio experience.
	I mean, she hosted podcasts with us, and I think she's really good.
	And I think she's doing a good job with Midnight in the Desert too.
	But as far as I know, she doesn't have years of radio experience to step into to be able to have the eyes on the prize of furthering her radio career.
	She was a fan of Art Bell, who did a podcast about Bell Gab in the Gab cast, who then became a producer and then was asked, or I guess, sorry, I said I got the timeline backwards, got to do a guest host on that test episode, got a big backlash against it.
	So everyone had that data to work from to see what it's like in that situation.
	So the first moment that Art comes to you or Keith, whoever the person would be, he would make the phone call to say, hey, do you want to host this thing?
	Well, Bateman and MV kind of have some knowledge of how things play out.
	So they probably had valid reasons to say no.
	Not that I'm saying they even got asked, but for me, I'm not in the radio business.
	So I would have been like, oh, wow, this is a cool thing.
	I'm going to jump in and do it.
	And then the backlash would have been against me.
	We've got a caller.
	Hold on just a moment.
	All right.
	You're on the line, 504.
	Hey, Danny Benton.
	How are you guys doing tonight?
	Doing well.
	How are you?
	Doing good.
	What do you have, Cora?
	Well, also, they asked me to call.
	Somebody asked me to call in from the chat room.
	But you, Mesa?
	This is Danny Benton, right?
	Yeah, Danny Benton.
	And so I saw you posted about you hosted a show on Dark Matter Digital Network.
	What show did you host?
	I didn't host any show.
	But I produced for Dr. J and am currently working with Nancy Burns and PSM Radio.
	But I observed the whole transition from serious to the test stream and dark matter.
	And yeah, there's some, I guess, you know, I could throw my opinion in here, you know, distinct things that I've picked up on.
	I thought that MB did as good a job as he possibly could without stepping on Art's code and taking a chance of him not coming back.
	I thought that Art came on the show basically to make amends with the fans.
	Bateman would have been a terrific host if he could have handled it, but I don't blame him for not wanting to get caught up in that mess that was going on over there.
	Okay, elaborate on.
	Since you have more of a behind-the-scenes feel than we do, can you explain the mess some?
	I think it would help us to understand why you would say no to wanting to host that.
	Well, okay, well, first of all, it was like Bart said.
	Anybody, all the time that we waited for Art to come back, anybody that would have stepped into that position was going to get trashed and was going to get trashed art.
	But, you know, Redacted or Heather, you know, she's, you know, I mean, she does a good job, but it just seemed like, first of all, it seemed like from the beginning, like you guys were saying before I called in and I lost the conversation, but that you got that Heather was, you know, Art's first choice.
	The mess that I'm talking about is that there's just there were plenty, there were plenty of people that had been with the network for, that had been with Dark Matter that kept that place alive so that Art would have a place to come back to.
	There were plenty of hosts that Art could have provided in.
	You know, there were plenty of hosts that could have handled the job.
	You know, as far as keep getting thrown under the bus again, you know, I kind of take issue with that because that guy was working for free to keep that network up for a long time.
	Now, you may have gotten paid in the end.
	I don't know the financial end of it.
	But what bothered me a lot was, and I talked to MB.
	I don't know if it actually went into the podcast because I'm going to listen to it, but he ran the out music for GadCast and then the end music for Trainwreck Show.
	And then I got him after that and talked to him.
	And then he wrapped the show.
	So I don't know if he edited the podcast or not.
	He has some of that in the Gamcast thread.
	I believe that some of that post show is there.
	I don't know if you were in that or not.
	I'm not sure.
	Yeah, it was the guy that was calling in saying he would pay $500 to be done in the show.
	I don't know if that was a setup or not, and a doctor calling in, and then I was the last caller.
	Like what bothered me was that the way that the network was, it was separated, that none of those hosts that really, the ones that stuck it out with Dark Matter Digital, never got any credit promotion or anything like that.
	Like, you know, what would it have taken for art to just give a shout out and say, you know, we have programs running here 24-7 besides Midnight in the Desert and Other Side of Midnight.
	That was never done.
	Let's see what else.
	I got to say, I agree with you there.
	I don't think in the entire Midnight in the Desert run, I don't think there was any mention ever of any of the other shows on the network, with maybe the exception of Richard following him.
	Well, hey, I hosted a show on the network too.
	Yeah.
	So I know.
	I know.
	It's running.
	You never see, you know, when the start of the show, oh, thank you, Nancy and Bill, you know, in Future Theater, just before, you know, leading into him.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, yeah.
	So, I mean, I understand what you're saying on that point of view.
	I never got involved behind the scenes, so I have no point of view of what it was like to interact with anyone other than the occasional sending an episode to Keith to get it, you know, ready for the stream for the next playing of it.
	But yeah, I mean, we did our show.
	We were the first, the spec sheet that MV and I did.
	We were the first one.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I was there, man.
	I was there.
	So, so I see what you're saying.
	I mean, I was just a fan there, so I really didn't have any.
	It was okay with me not to get a lot of promotion, but at the same time, MV would be a great person to have host a paranormal show, I believe.
	And he was always available for Art to call.
	Of course, he would have been.
	And MV would have had the community behind him.
	And he probably, he might have been the one person that might not have taken as much, you know, trash as any other host.
	But there was Howard Hughes and Don B. Wells, he said, was offered the job and turned it down.
	You know, there were plenty of other people, but I heard in that first test stream with Art, it seemed like he had made up his mind that he was going to bring Heather in to the show with him.
	And, you know, five months later, Art's gone.
	Heather's there.
	And Art's still talking about how he's got radio in his blood.
	And, you know, and listen, I'm an Art Bell fan.
	I'm not a new Art Bell fan.
	I go back to practically the beginning, you know, back in the 90s.
	So I've, you know, like plenty of people on Bell Gab have seen, you know, have been through this hurting that we feel when Art leaves and then comes back, then it leaves and comes back.
	I just wonder if he's afraid, maybe, that if he doesn't come on and make posts and, you know, say controversial things and, you know, not let the full information roll, if he's afraid that he may become irrelevant, which he shouldn't be.
	I mean, there was no guarantee that Art was ever going to come back to Midnight in the Desert.
	There were like six times that he quit and one time that Keith quit right before the show started up on Midnight in the Desert.
	So I mean, the volatility of it at that point makes it impressive that it happened and we had that lightning strike opportunity to have him on the air for the time we did.
	Exactly.
	So You did produce for Dr. J, right?
	Yeah, for Dr. J.
	And yeah.
	And Dr. Jay.
	He was our Art Bell.
	He was Art Bell's original producer.
	And, you know, I mean, I can only go by what people tell me, you know, because a lot of people on radio, like, I've got to tell you guys this, they have, you know, ego, big egos.
	And they get butt hurt real easy.
	So I don't know exactly what went on, why Dr. J was let go and Heather was brought on as a producer.
	But as far as Art not having a sounding board, you can't put that on Keith.
	I mean, you know, Keith wasn't leave his house, you know, because he had to be there for the network constantly.
	That was before Art came back.
	And it just got worse faster, you know, because the affiliates were ad-zonal and there was money involved from the listeners and stuff like that.
	You can't put that.
	I can't put that on Keith that he didn't have a sounding board.
	You know, Dr. J was there.
	There were tons of hosts on the network that he could have easily, you know, just asked Keith, are these people trustworthy?
	You know, Bill Burns, Nancy Burns, Angel, you know, the Jackal, any of those guys.
	They all came to the network because they love Art Bell.
	Well, at that point, let me ask you one final question here, and that is from just your gut, not necessarily any inside information, but if you have that, use it to inform your opinion.
	Do you think Art will be back in any capacity on Midnight in the Desert?
	From my gut, it's hard to separate because, you know, because I want him to come back in some capacity so bad.
	But from my gut, I do get the feeling that when he says radio is in his blood, that he, you know, that that's true, you know, in a sense.
	But I don't think he'll ever be, that he'll never be able to do five nights a week.
	You know, and if he does come back, I would say that it would either be a, you know, he would come on as, you know, as a co-host with Heather, you know, not on a schedule, or if he does come back, it would be one, maybe two nights a week.
	And it wouldn't be on this, it would not be scheduled.
	It would be just like basically when he left coast to coast, when his contract ran out for coast to coast in like, I think it was 98.
	You guys have any, my co-hosts here, do you have any questions for Danny before we move on?
	If we've got another caller, no, other than what I was going to say was, and Brig points this out, she said she disagrees with me on the thread.
	Disagreement's good.
	You know, what she was saying is that Bateman didn't want to fall into or take on a gig that he was keeping the seat warm, so to speak.
	And I'm not saying that that would have been the case, that he would have to have been offered the gig, according to his terms, with some kind of taking the reins over without having to keep the seat warm.
	I disagree with Heather staying in this form.
	She has put a wall up around herself.
	And until she removes that and just decides that I'm going to make it my own, then everyone's going to have difficulty accepting it because there's always that wall there.
	Well, I'm saving it for art.
	It's like, make your decision.
	Even Art said it.
	I don't know if Jay got The clip of that where he said that Heather needs to make it her own.
	And at this point, Heather, you put your picture up.
	It's time to make it your own if that's what you want to do.
	Yeah.
	I mean, that's, you know.
	Yeah, I'll go ahead and play that.
	Here's a question.
	Heather says routinely on Midnight in the Desert that she's keeping the seat warm for you.
	And I'm wondering for how much longer she's going to continue saying that.
	And instead, it's just going to be, you know what, this is Heather's show.
	I guess my ultimate question is: when do you finally say, I am not coming back if you're not coming back?
	I don't have an answer for that.
	As I mentioned, I may well come and do a show or two, or maybe I'll do a show a week or two shows a week.
	You know, I'll pick some point unannounced and just come back and do a show and see how that goes.
	Kind of the way I've been doing these last six weeks, I haven't been on the air and everything's been okay.
	So what do I do?
	I do one show, I guess, and see what happens.
	And then maybe if nothing happens, maybe I do two shows five days a week.
	I don't think I'm coming back to that.
	See, I have burned, severely burned a bridge.
	I know that.
	When I said what I said, affiliates went, you know, the boom.
	So nothing I can do about that, my own stupidity.
	They're gone.
	Doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy being on the air.
	I always.
	So, you know, it's still in sort of Netherland right now.
	I can't give you any firm answers.
	I know you want them and people want them, but I don't.
	I don't know how you would answer that question.
	Yeah.
	I think my real motivation behind that question, though, is from Heather's perspective to have to continue telling people that she's keeping a seat warm, that assumes a level of assumes a temporary situation on her part.
	And it hamstrings her in growing into the show.
	And I think that Heather should say this is Midnight in the Desert with Heather Wade.
	That's what she does, and she should not be billing in for me.
	She should make it her own, and I'd be very proud if she did that.
	You know what?
	That clip there sort of says to me that I don't think he's coming back.
	I think he wants Heather to make it her show.
	And I think that's it.
	It's all over.
	Your thoughts, I know, Showroom Dummy, you think he's going to come back, but GS?
	Or Mud King?
	What do you think?
	Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	Gravity.
	You first this time.
	No, I really don't have an opinion.
	Okay, well, my.
	Gravity!
	All right, let me hang up on gravity here.
	That's going to make at least two people from the Gabcasperette happy.
	But I'm not going to do it because I'm not going to give them the pleasure.
	I like gravity socks.
	All right.
	So what's the question?
	I'm sorry.
	I couldn't answer it because I was reading the chat room.
	Ignore the chat room.
	The chat room doesn't matter.
	Do the show with us?
	Gravity?
	Come on.
	All right.
	So what's the question?
	The question is, do you, well, one, should Heather make the show her own and or is Art ever coming back?
	Okay, so I believe that Heather should make the show her own.
	I've chatted with her a few times just using Messenger.
	And that's the advice I gave her.
	And I don't think she felt that she had the authority or the, I don't know what the right word is.
	I don't think she felt comfortable changing the format of the show.
	I think that she felt that she was just warming that seat.
	I believe now that Art has publicly said that she should make the show her own, that we may start seeing that happen.
	You know, people said, well, why is she having to ask Art Bell if she can play this bumper music and this new bumper music?
	That's not what she said.
	What she said was, I passed things by Art and asked his opinion more from a, out of respect, I think, than saying, hey, you know, Art's telling me he has to approve every change I make to the show.
	She could take the show in any direction she wanted to.
	And if Art Bell wanted to come back, it would take him 30 seconds to turn it back into Art Bell's show.
	Yeah, I think she's doing it out of respect for him.
	But the question is, is Art sort of dictating what should happen?
	He's clearly said here he thinks she should make it his own.
	So, yeah, what's the reality on the ground?
	Can you imagine trying to take Art Bell's show and make it your own, though?
	You wouldn't.
	I'd, you know, you try to keep it as a mausoleum to art, you know, someone who was a fan.
	And look, Heather was a fan, a bigger fan than any of us out there.
	So it's going to, it would be very hard for her to make it her own.
	But I agree.
	I think to go forward, to move forward, she has to make it her own.
	And if that means tweaking a bit of the bumper music, keeping some of it as a homage to art.
	But, yeah.
	The thing is, she may well have a, I know that she doesn't have the strengths in some of the subjects that Art does.
	So if you bring on a real, real hardcore scientist, and if Art has already read three or four of that author's books, he's going to be able to ask different types of questions than Heather can ask.
	So what she ought to be doing is concentrating on guests that she feels comfortable with and that she has an interest in the material.
	And I think the shows would go a lot better.
	Now, there may be some people that only want to hear about UFOs.
	There may be some people that only want to hear about ghosts.
	They're not going to want to hear a guest, say, on quantum physics.
	At any one day, somebody's going to either really love the show or really hate the show.
	And so that's a challenge when you're trying to put on these kind of shows because somebody likes to hear about ghosts.
	They might not give a shit about UFOs.
	I've seen comments in the threads.
	Oh, you know, there's too many UFO ghosts lately.
	Well, if you didn't have those, then all the people that that's all they want to hear, then they'd be upset.
	So it's kind of hard to strike a good balance there, I think.
	Here's the thing.
	Art loved to hear his own voice.
	And anyone who does what he does on a daily basis has to love to hear their own voice, regardless of the subject matter, because then the people who hate the subject or dislike, you know, they pick apart whatever you do, show to show.
	As long as you enjoy what you're saying and you like to talk, you can handle that criticism.
	And maybe you pick some of the constructive parts of it and you incorporate it and you throw away everything else.
	Right.
	And so that's the thing that she has to learn to do.
	And she has to find that joy of hearing herself talk.
	And then that'll come through.
	Because Art, he wasn't an expert in astrophysics.
	He wasn't an expert in string theory.
	There was no show doing what he did when he started it.
	He learned each night, too.
	So she doesn't have to be an expert in it yet.
	We've got another caller here.
	You are on.
	This is white.
	Finally, White Crow called in.
	Thank you, White Crow.
	Hey, White Crow.
	I'm a different size hoodie.
	This is 60.
	I think Art will be back.
	I have always thought he would be back after he had left.
	And I think he'll be back this time.
	We were talking about Norrie versus Art earlier.
	Art is always prepared.
	That's what you were just saying a few minutes ago.
	If he doesn't already know this stuff, he studies up and he gets the information.
	He knows what he's talking about.
	He knows what his guest is talking about.
	he doesn't need three by fives uh anyway apparently neither does nori Apparently, neither does Nori.
	That's not true.
	What?
	Not true.
	I think he has three by fives.
	I'm just saying that that's preparation.
	Anyway.
	Oh, true.
	Okay.
	Anyway, that's all I wanted to say.
	Well, thank you for calling, and you are welcome to call anytime and host anytime.
	This is all about you.
	Oh, two things.
	Okay, there's some guys in there we want to call in.
	We haven't heard before.
	Mesa, Rika, come on.
	Let's go.
	That's a throwdown if I've ever seen one.
	That's a throwdown.
	Yeah.
	You want to call the show?
	See you later, Starman.
	And if you want to call the show, 623-242-CAST, 623-242-2278, come on, give us a call.
	Yeah, tell us.
	You know, I got to say there's some incredible talent on Bellgab.
	The gifts that is it's Martin.
	His gifts are incredible.
	And I even asked Art, did you see the GIF?
	And Art didn't answer that question either.
	Art doesn't like you.
	I don't see it.
	No, Art doesn't like me at all.
	No, you asked a great question, though, during the show.
	Asking.
	Oh, do you have that clip?
	No, no, I made sure to let him know.
	Do not clip that because I'm really teasing.
	Which question?
	Which one?
	I asked two of them, and then MV hung up on me, right?
	But when Art was answering my question, he just went click.
	I was like, thanks.
	Just awesome.
	You are in the click now.
	Really quick, I want to bring up Brig just said something in the chat that goes along with talking about paranormal versus all these other topics.
	She said, I think Keith is making a mistake to try to keep Dark Matter Digital Network a paranormal only network.
	Art can talk on any topic, and nightly paranormal is boring, in her opinion.
	She got used to variety art and does not like paranormal only.
	And I sort of agree.
	I mean, having hosted a technology show that was on dark matter, why not go into all these different genres and not lock yourself into just paranormal, especially now that art's not the main draw to the network?
	Sorry, I took us off topic, but I wanted to throw that out there because I thought that was an interesting conversation.
	No, I read it too.
	I thought it was really good.
	I'm glad you brought it up.
	Brig, you should call.
	Briggs on the money.
	Yeah, that's right.
	There's some validity to that, but there's also a branding thing they might have wanted to brand sort of in a sort of a paranormal vein.
	But now with art not there, I think they've got to try and bring anything to the table.
	And the more bases they can cover, the better quality.
	Well, maybe not quality, but the more topics that are going to be out there to bring in listeners.
	Yeah, well, and the thing is that if you're on a network like that, and if art pops in and out every once in a while, even if it's unplanned, that's going to, and that creates a bump in listeners for everybody.
	Then, just by osmosis, their network will return back to a paranormal network.
	I mean, when we did our first test show, that was the first test to see how the streaming stuff was working.
	I went out and got a guest who was paranormal, Jim Harold, who is just an amazing podcaster and host.
	I think he does a great job with his campfire stories.
	And everyone check out jimharrell.com.
	But we had him on, and I got the pleasure of listening to MV and him just bounce off of each other so well.
	And we were a tech show, and we had him on specifically for talking about the technology of podcasting and the network he's built up.
	But we just naturally went straight to that paranormal because obviously people listening to a test Art Bell stream want to hear some paranormal, and that osmosis would happen to all the shows.
	I mean, they could have a show talking about the logistics of flying a dog from one area of Australia to the other, and at some point they're going to talk about ghosts in the machine.
	You know, it's just how it's going to play out.
	You know, I have an interesting, interesting, I don't know if it's a point or something, but if we were all, if you take a moment and say you're Art Bell, so you're thinking like Art Bell, I'm Art Bell, and you come on this site, you come and you find this site, George Norris sucks, or which eventually becomes Bellgab.
	How do you think he views Bellgap?
	I mean, seriously, there's 3,000 fans.
	This site is all about you.
	I mean, how do you think he really feels and views it?
	Like, truly, something to think about.
	I don't know.
	Well, the one thing, too, is that when he comes to the site, it's not just all people who love him.
	There was already people who were disrespectful to him all the way back when he first signed up on the site and gave him crap immediately when he joined and started asking him hard questions.
	You know, that was one thing about it.
	But the thing is that, yeah, we had some bad eggs that would ask questions that were not what I wanted to hear, but art stayed and made jokes back with them when appropriate.
	And I think that that part of it, where it wasn't just fans.
	I mean, obviously, we were fans and more of us were wanting to hear stories and tales of happiness than get into the darker stuff that people would try to bring up of past quitting and past problems and all of that.
	So it had to feel kind of good when he called us vaguely lovable at the beginning.
	The vaguely was probably far more important to him than the lovable.
	All right.
	I think he loves it.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Yeah, no, no, no.
	I agree with you.
	I think he does love it.
	But, well, I was going to play another clip, but I'll go on to with another clip and then I'll go back to what I wanted to play is, does art still like Belgab?
	Let's see what Art has to say.
	Oh, look at that.
	I'm not even paying attention and I'm pulling it out of the air.
	Let me ask you this.
	On Facebook, you posted that you essentially said that you well, you kind of passed judgment on all of Belgab.
	I did to some degree, and you encouraged people to steer clear of the place.
	And I'm wondering at this moment, do you still.
	No, I didn't encourage anybody to steal clear.
	I said I was going to steer clear, is what I said.
	Well, that may just be my poor recollection.
	I really felt that way, too.
	I mean, it was the worst of it going on, and reading it is too depressing.
	You know, they were going and posting things about horrible things.
	And it wasn't good for my health.
	So I said, okay, that's it.
	But, you know, being the sucker I am for Belgab, and I am, I like Belgab.
	I've always liked Belgab.
	Here I am again.
	So.
	Well, that's my question.
	Power.
	Well, do you still feel this sort of adversarial relationship at the moment between you and Belgab, or do you feel that things are reaching some sort of an equilibrium at this point?
	Hmm.
	Well, I don't think they're back to vaguely lovable yet, if that's what you're asking.
	I could see you saying that.
	But on the other hand, they're not in the depths of depravity that they were in just two weeks ago.
	So I don't know.
	I'm trying.
	So there you go.
	Yeah.
	He's not back to vaguely lovable just yet.
	Maybe MV should moderate Belgab if you're market everybody.
	I'm joking.
	That's from the bingo.
	It's silence.
	Silence.
	It flows quite nicely into my next clip, and I'll play it and then pose the question to you.
	I want to say this.
	Having been a member of Belgab for years, I am kind of shocked.
	You know, it's not everybody, but I mean, she is one of your own, Michael.
	Yes.
	Talking about Heather.
	And so you feel more should have been done to protect her in the public discourse?
	Well, yeah, I do.
	You know, I think just being a confirmed Belgabber for years, she deserves that.
	I totally understand that philosophy.
	And I totally understand why you would be upset by other things that people said that weren't removed.
	Oh, God.
	Yeah, all that ridiculous stuff.
	That's why I said for the, you know, for the trolls out there.
	But what you have to understand is that if I, when, when you quit, and I said this on the show, I think, a couple weeks ago, but or maybe I posted it.
	I don't know.
	But when you quit, I just knew what was about to come.
	Here, oh, my God, here it comes.
	And so I decided in that moment, okay, I am not going to censor the forum or moderate it in any way unless something illegal is presented to me, unless something that could be construed as illegal speech, slander, whatever, could be presented to me.
	And when I've been presented with that, I have removed what's been asked of me.
	So do you do you do you agree with that at all?
	Do you think because Heather was a longtime Belgabber, a confirmed Belgabber for a long time, did she deserve to be shielded from some of the things that were said about her?
	And I'm talking about the particularly nasty things.
	I'm not talking about people not liking her because, you know, everyone's right to their opinion, but I'm talking about the really nasty stuff that wasn't sort of taken care of.
	Yeah, my opinion on this, first off, is it's really hard to assign that kind of responsibility to a group of people who only know each other virtually.
	And it's something that I see as a failure on my part because I like her.
	I mean, we've hosted, and Jazz, you've been a part of this too, some mini gab casts that the three of us plus MV hosted together.
	And you really start to feel like you know somebody when you do that many shows together and you have fun conversations after the show or planning what you're going to talk about during a show.
	You feel like you get to know someone, but it is still in the virtual world.
	And I feel like my regret is that I didn't stand out more publicly to defend her and say, hey, give her a chance.
	She's really good at what she's done on the GabCast.
	She's a very knowledgeable person about art.
	Bell, I used to joke that she was an art historian.
	She knew so much more than I did.
	And, you know, it's easy to support somebody when things are going well.
	But when you start to get a backlash, that's when it gets harder.
	And so I wish I had stuck my neck out more and supported her then.
	But I think, like, we've seen for most people who did try to stick their neck out, even if they weren't longtime Bell Gabbers, you got washed away in the current of the vocal minority so quickly that it's almost as if you didn't support at all.
	It's not like we were going to change how Bell Gab looked just because we posted our support to her.
	So I regret not stepping up more, but I also recognize that stepping up and being louder would have still been washed away by that wave.
	You would have just been called a whatnot, I believe.
	Exactly.
	So, which is okay.
	I mean, if that's my hat, I'll wear it.
	I don't mind.
	But at the same time, what art wants couldn't, there's no realistic scenario that it could have happened.
	There's no rhyme or reason to keep that informed because there's just too much chaos going on all the time.
	And who has the time to regulate chaos?
	And I agree with that.
	But he's still, but he's talking old school there.
	She's one of your own.
	That's the way art rolls.
	So if art likes you, art's got your back.
	That's what he's saying, which is which is pretty cool.
	But at the same time, I agree with you 100%.
	We couldn't or you couldn't or and we couldn't.
	Yeah, well, the thing is, for like.
	Regulate all that.
	Yeah, like, like for me, I don't post enough on Bell Gab to be a loud voice.
	There's certain people on there that carry some weight with their comments.
	And I wouldn't ever claim to be one of those people.
	Do I get involved in things as, you know, do I come on these shows?
	Do I post when I feel the need to?
	Yeah.
	But do I rally people behind me in something?
	No, I don't think I've ever rallied anybody except for maybe one thread.
	And we don't even have to talk about that thread.
	But it's not like I have the gravitas to my post to do anything.
	Like I look back, like those little snippets of time that I'll remember from all of this is when I see Aldous Burbank post something really heartfelt about how he's been hurt by the site.
	And then he gets just ripped and made more fun of during it when he was really trying to express himself.
	And this just reminds me how Bell Gab isn't the place to express, it turns out, and I guess this is something we all should have known in the beginning.
	It's not a place to express your heartfelt emotions.
	It's a place to go make jokes.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And I want to see more of that other than not crossing the line as we talked earlier in the beginning of the test show tonight or whatever you want to call it.
	The thing is that Heather, someone, well, first of all, I'd say blessed to be Heather because she came out saying she was a witch in one of her last shows.
	I haven't heard that.
	But I've seen people talking about it.
	GS.
	Gravity, you with us?
	Stop reading the chat.
	Gravity's on the money.
	What a co-host.
	All I know, Gravity, is you better not have a post on Bell Gab within the time of 8 o'clock Eastern.
	Well, anyway, she interviewed, I guess, a witch, one of the heads of the organization she's a part of.
	And she came out and said to everybody, if you want to know something about me, I'm a witch, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	And Gravity would back me up on this, except I don't know where he went.
	Anyway, that's where I'm referencing it.
	So it was show back.
	I think it was on a Thursday night or Wednesday night.
	My point was, is in the thread, everybody's asking about, and I like Heather, about her tonality, how she, her phraseology on the air.
	And do you guys have any comments about that?
	Do you think there's something she could improve?
	You're okay with it.
	That's what one of the questions was that we should be asking tonight.
	Yeah, well, I mean, she has a long history of episodes of the Gabcast that she's been a part of and the threat files.
	So this isn't anything new.
	Yeah, it's not new.
	Yeah.
	And I've never had a problem with her cadence and how she speaks.
	I think once you get to a bigger audience, like you have on Midnight in the Desert, you do have to find your voice with that and with the audience that you have.
	And so I'm not going to say she's perfect.
	I'm not, I mean, she has plenty of space to grow within it, but I don't have a problem with any of that.
	Can you hear me now?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I unplugged my mic and plugged it back in.
	So you wanted the context for Heather.
	She had a guest on that was on to go ahead and talk about, I believe it was Wiccan stuff.
	I can't remember the topics herself.
	She started off the show saying, okay, I'm going to lay it out there.
	I'm going to go ahead and tell you something about myself.
	And she went on to talk about how she's been a Wiccan and she belongs to the Orthodox Order of the Golden Dawn or something like that.
	And she went into some background with them and told people how they could find stuff out about the coven that she was in.
	She did go ahead and put that out there.
	You sure it wasn't the mystical order of the Declaw Gerbil?
	No, it was something along the lines.
	Richard Gere is in charge of that, right?
	Somebody did post that.
	Was that you, Jazz?
	Someone posted that in the thread in Midnight in the Desert with Heather Way.
	Someone put that right up there.
	And of course, she posted a picture of herself, and everybody went to town on that.
	Yeah, dissecting that.
	What do you think of that?
	I mean, as soon as she posted the photo of her, I just knew, well, it's five, four, three, two, one.
	Go.
	People are just going to absolutely rip into her.
	And she's damned if she does, and damned if she doesn't, because she doesn't post a photo.
	Why isn't she posting a photo?
	She posts a photo.
	Oh, she's not as pretty as I thought she would be.
	You can't win.
	Yeah, there's no winning in that.
	I agree.
	Like, to me, this is my, again, personal opinion.
	You've gone this long without posting a photo.
	Don't do it.
	Not until, like, if she were to write a book that slots into the paranormal world to be like in a, but what I'm looking for, gosh, I just had a stroke on air.
	She, let's say it's like an extra piece to go along with what she's doing to give more information about her and to help build the audience.
	Then you have a picture on the back of your book, and that's how you reveal it.
	But other than that, what you said, Jazz, is exactly right.
	She's not going to win because of this.
	It's just another attack vector.
	Did you see what Malachi, what Malachi's gift for that was?
	Did you see that?
	I haven't.
	You look at her picture, and then it clicks into our bell.
	And then it, so it's a really good thing.
	It morphs it, but it's like, it just morphs for like a half a second or whatever.
	It's kind of fun.
	I don't know what that is.
	It's kind of freaky.
	It's kind of freaky fun.
	Wait, I really liked his gift for the in the car thing.
	I thought that was really well done.
	So if I look at this, this gif, is it going to make me go to my local Scientology branch and sign up?
	Does it have some secret hidden?
	Oh, I didn't think of that.
	That's funny.
	I just wanted to double check.
	But that's what I love about Bellgab.
	The talent, the amount of talent that is out there that are members is outstanding and exceptional.
	And don't you guys ever think you're not on that level because you are.
	I applaud everybody on Bellgab.
	I think one of the biggest revelations that we got out of this interview was the following.
	And I'll play this clip and then we can discuss it.
	I don't know how you and your wife are, but if she told you something like that, probably you'd pay attention.
	Or if not, at your peril.
	Yeah.
	I don't wear the, well, I try to wear the pants in this house, but I don't.
	I understand exactly what you're saying.
	And people who are not married, it is hard to understand that relationship between man and woman when woman comes to you with a certainty in her eye and says, this is over with.
	Whatever it is.
	It has to do with the daughter.
	So MV does not wear the pants in his family.
	Is anyone surprised?
	I'll go ahead and put my hand up with no.
	The only difference is I think MV would just have his wife deported if she didn't agree with him.
	What are you talking about?
	She'd have him deported.
	He's a U.S. citizen.
	He'd be in Guantanamo Bay right now if she wanted him.
	So we also had a, we had Art say something that I wasn't expecting.
	People to sit out there who haven't been shot at or been through this and say, oh, come on, don't be a pussy, right?
	So now I have a sound clip of Art and Folky both saying pussy.
	Nice.
	I'm sure I can make some interesting clip out of that.
	Now you got to get Bateman to make one for you and you got the trifecta.
	I got to commend you, Jazz.
	You did an outstanding job with these clips.
	They're so on the money and you've got them all figured out so you know which ones to go to.
	And you did a great job.
	Oh, well, thank you.
	I'll send you the cash for saying such nice comments about me.
	Or, you know, just send me the MP3 of all of those.
	I'll use them.
	I'll just say, I'll ask Art the same question MV did.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	And then just have Art response.
	Wait two weeks before you post that, though.
	That's the rule.
	You know, when we do roundtables, when I'm interviewing somebody, we do a roundtable.
	That's what a lot of people do.
	Because you get to ask maybe like two questions or three questions if you're not doing a one-on-one.
	So everyone does that, by the way.
	So they'll say, oh, I asked Terrence, you know, Tarantino.
	I asked him, you know, what about the new movie he's working on?
	And then they'll just cut in the thing.
	So it's not even.
	Do you ever listen to the No Agenda show, that podcast with Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak?
	No.
	It's a great podcast.
	You should check it out.
	I think that they're kind of the spiritual successor to what art and Coast to Coast was back in the day, at least from my opinion.
	They don't go into paranormal as much.
	They go into just conspiracy and breaking down media information.
	But the way they do it is in a way that I think art would respect if he was a, if he were to listen to it.
	But Adam Curry used to be a VJ on MTV.
	Oh, okay.
	I know who he is.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So he would talk about that too.
	And I thought, you know, that's a kind of funny thing to realize that all these things are like cut up and putting it.
	They're all cut up.
	Nothing is you get to ask very minimal questions.
	And the thing is, when you're on an interview for a film, the publicist and everybody, they're very strict about what you can ask.
	You have to stick to questions that pertain to the project that you're interviewing the celebrity or whoever is.
	You can't go off form.
	You go off form, the publicist will be like, you know, kind of interrupt sometimes, not always.
	It's weird.
	It's a weird thing to do.
	Yeah, here's the double-edged sword for art.
	I know for sure that there's nothing off the table for that conversation between MV and Art.
	And so anything could have been asked.
	Anyone could have called in and gone their direction, and then it would have been dealt with accordingly based on the question and the intentions of it.
	But nothing was immediately said, you know, let's steer away from these things.
	And I think it's clear if you watch the flow of that entire back and forth that MV was totally allowed to go where he wanted to.
	But part of me does kind of wish that art still, and I know he actively said, no, he didn't want a PR person, but I'd kind of like to know that he had that publicist or that PR person who would have called MV before and said, look, here's the topics you cannot bring up.
	Don't talk about Hoagland.
	Don't talk about financial stuff of the Dark Matter Network.
	And don't bring up Ramona.
	You know, I'm just throwing those out there.
	I mean, I don't, those aren't things that.
	The Ramona stuff, I got to give MV absolute top props.
	When he brought up Ramona, that was somewhere I would never have gone.
	And I was amazed.
	But he did it respectfully, too.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Wonderful.
	That was great.
	Because you got into touching art in the interview.
	That's what I was saying.
	Like, I would have been like, Art, you know, what's going on in Art Bell's head these days?
	Yeah, yeah.
	He starts telling you, no, no, no.
	Tell me about what you're really feeling, man.
	I'm not getting what you're saying.
	I want to feel what it feels like to be Art Bell every day now since all this happened.
	And then, you know, go from there and delve into the man a little bit deeper than you normally would.
	That would have been the only direction I would have gone into other than everything else he did, which was brilliant.
	But that's me.
	I like to get into their head.
	I like to see what's really cooking under the veil.
	But that's just because I want to know.
	Yeah, let's do some roleplay here.
	So, Gravity Suns, you're Art Bell.
	Showroom dummy, ask her some questions.
	Well, that would have been my question.
	My first question would have been like, Art, what's going on in your head these days?
	I'm wondering how in the hell I got myself into this mess.
	Do you feel you have any regrets in your life at this point?
	I do.
	I wish I would have just stuck with SiriusXM.
	I think we could have pushed past it and gotten through it.
	But I thought I was a rock star.
	I thought I was Howard Stern.
	And when I gave him an ultimatum, they would just go ahead and bend to my will, but they didn't.
	Last question.
	Art, what was it like being like, when did you first know you wanted to be a broadcaster?
	And I say that is take me to like, were you five years old?
	Or what was the first that you haven't ever spoke about?
	When you first knew you wanted to do radio or be a broadcaster, were you a little kid?
	Tell me what that was like.
	Oh, we had a nice little tube top, tube radio sat, and my dad told me never to touch it.
	And I couldn't understand why.
	And I went ahead and turned the volume up, turned it on, turned the volume up, and there was magic there.
	And I wanted to be part of that magic.
	And just finally, Folky Ocasio.
	Every podcast has a troll in it.
	I like it.
	I said, I couldn't have done it better.
	Even if you didn't try it.
	I thought MV, like I said, was absolutely amazing and did a fantastic job.
	And it will go down in the annals of podcast history for everyone that's an ARPL fan, for sure.
	Yeah, I think that there's some poetic, what's the word I'm looking for?
	Not justice, that's the wrong word.
	But there is a poetic thread to the fact that the last two times art has left a show, MV is the person he's talked to, whether it was the show that Jazz, you were a part of that, weren't you?
	The Gabcast.
	I wasn't.
	That was before.
	Okay, well, then I'll shut up about that then.
	But MV was on with him when he called into the Gabcast.
	11, 12, 13.
	Was that the date of it?
	Yes.
	Wow.
	That was such a surreal experience.
	Like when just to go into that since it's in my mind now, but we took a break, and so MV walked away.
	And the group of us that were on, which I think was Onan, Eddie Dean, and myself, and maybe B-Dub too.
	A dub wasn't.
	He wasn't.
	Okay.
	It was so surreal.
	I can't even remember because I thought you were there too, Jazz.
	But we get the call, and I see the area code.
	And so I start looking up to see if it's the area code.
	And it is.
	So we have a little mini conversation with him, which was really cool.
	And then we just kind of wait for MV to come back.
	And then we end up having the Gabcast episode that everyone heard.
	But it was so cool to know that I was on hold with him and I had no idea where we were going to go after that.
	Of course, we didn't get anything groundbreaking during our quick conversation, but confirmed that he was who he thought he was.
	And then you hear MV and him kind of go back and forth and all the calls he takes.
	And then fast forward now to the Midnight in the Desert situation.
	And those two guys are together having this call.
	That's the poetic thread that I thought was great to know that those two, I hope that they are on the air again together.
	Like there's the thread, since we are a podcast about Bell Gab, there was the thread someone created.
	Looks like it was Betty0417, that if not art, then MV with an exclamation point.
	And I would love to hear those two again.
	And that's not to take anything away from Heather because I think she has earned her spot at the table too.
	But I think it would be kind of cool to have Art and MV together on the Gab or on Midnight in the Desert and MV to do some hosting of that show.
	I agree.
	I'd definitely listen to an MV show, even without art.
	Yeah, you're right.
	Yeah, I agree.
	It's a very talented guy.
	I'm not just saying that because he's the boss.
	I say it because he sends me a check for $0.
	No, he's good.
	Look, if you're good, you rise to the top.
	Cream is cream.
	I mean, that's, I mean, you know, there's no middle of the road on that.
	Talent always.
	I can't wait for Evelyn to get her computer stuff hooked back up so they can start that radio train wreck back up.
	Oh, I agree.
	Those two play.
	I want to see a sitcom with those two on it.
	You know, I once listened to a radio train wreck that MV did by himself.
	And he spoke for one and a half or two hours.
	No guests, no calls, just himself.
	And he was able to do it.
	And not many people can pull that off.
	Oh, I totally agree.
	Yeah.
	Really quick, if you want to call in, let's do like a rapid fire, and this might totally fail.
	But anyone who wants to call in and just say something really quick because we're at 9:46 right now, so we're going to wrap in soon.
	Yeah, so give us a call at 623-242-CAST.
	That's 623-242-2278.
	I'll pick out the line.
	You say whatever you want to say, and then just hang up.
	I think that works when Art had done it in the past.
	I'm interested if the people who don't want to call in and have a commentary back and forth with us, call, say what you want to say, hang up, and we'll move on to the next one.
	And in between that, if we get no calls, then talk amongst yourselves.
	So, I've got a little clip, and you can interrupt if you do get a call.
	But just about Belgab and MV's policy of freeing the inmates.
	Art seems to think that was responsible for what happened.
	I don't necessarily agree because, but this is the thing.
	I will say this, Michael.
	There was a time I recall on Belgab, because I have been there daily for years now, when I don't know whether you regularly did it at Christmas or you set a special day and you freed all the inmates, right?
	Yes, I do that from time to time, yes.
	All right, well, that to some degree, I think, is why it's in the shape it's in right now, aside from my contribution.
	Well, yeah, thank you for tossing that into the mix.
	Well, I mean, you let configs out and what happens, you know.
	Yeah, wow, that's so funny.
	Yeah, I don't necessarily look if MV didn't have that, we wouldn't have uh great posters like Jackstar and White Crow.
	That's true, or King of Kings, or Dark Penguin, or or the new one.
	What's that guy that always hates me now?
	Skinivi, what is his name?
	Skinivi V Star over Vistar, whatever.
	I can't even pronounce his name.
	I'm so illiterate.
	He said, He called me illiterate prick is what he called me in the last post.
	He said he goes, I'm not sure if you wrote it this or if you wrote this in Cantonese.
	Shredny, Shredny.
	He goes, I'm not sure if you wrote this in Cantonese or you're just an illiterate prick.
	So I went back to my post and I translated it into Cantonese and then I put it down in Cantonese just in case, so that he had it in Cantonese in case he wanted it.
	That was great.
	Well, no, no, my fan, my fantasy thing.
	I got to just do my fantasy art bell 80 years ahead.
	This is Art Bell.
	I'm 80 years old.
	Nobody knew I still know midnight and there's an hell.
	Check this out.
	My king, Aisha just turned 18 years old.
	I'm still married to Aaron 20 years, everybody.
	This is Art Bell 80 years old.
	Anyway, okay, so not to critique, but that was a really good impression.
	That was a good Bill Clinton impression right there.
	Was it?
	Oh, geez.
	I was thinking JC.
	But you know what?
	I hope that that's really in my own fantasy mind.
	I really would like to see 80 years old art, you know, 80, 85, going and fries or back.
	Turn down your fast food speaker.
	Oh, so they call him the phone lines are just burning up Jackstar.
	They are.
	Jackstar, if you don't call in before this episode ends, then you're just going to crush me.
	And I know you don't want to let that happen.
	I adore Jackstar.
	Another revelation that we got, and I won't play the clip, but we found out how Art found Belgab.
	And he claims that he was typing in George Norrie Sucks.
	I don't know if I believe that.
	I think Art was typing in Art Bell.
	I mean, who doesn't type in their own name into Google to see what comes up?
	But yeah, he says that he found the site the way most people found Belgab.
	And I believe that.
	Well, I guess let me change what I was about to say.
	I think art likes to play it for the crowd.
	Yeah.
	And that's funny in its own.
	But I also could see him doing that too.
	So I think it's one of those toss-ups where it could have gone either way.
	But it was really good radio and he knows how to do good radio.
	Yeah.
	And also, Art had the revelation that he still physically smokes cigarettes.
	I thought he was off them.
	I knew he was still vaping or using the patches, but he did let out that he will light up a cigarette, have a few drags of it, and feel disgusted with himself and put it out.
	Yeah, you know, did he ever actually do a live read for e-cigs?
	Because I was waiting for that.
	I thought that would have been really funny if he did.
	Oh, that would have been fun.
	Before we do end this episode, let's talk about the multi-time caller who is his name, Gary, the Hoagland.
	Gary late last year or something like that.
	Yeah, so do you guys want to hear him on a Gabcast?
	Let's say he really did give the $500.
	Would you guys want to listen to that?
	I'm interested in the story.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think MV would handle that brilliantly.
	And if somebody wants to donate and be on, if someone wants to be on the air, bring it on.
	You know, if you think this is easy, good luck.
	There's nothing easy about any of this.
	We've had a similar thing.
	We had Mr. Fidget on the Gab cast once.
	And I believe, I mean, the stories might be a little bit different, but they both have some type of axe to grind.
	Yeah, I actually tried to call in.
	Yeah, I tried to call in with Gary to ask him if he knew Mr. Fidget.
	And I'm glad you mentioned him too, because why didn't Mr. Fidget call in?
	I'm sure he could give a very detailed explanation of how the authority.
	His reason was he didn't have any minutes on his phone to be able to call.
	He can use Wi-Fi on his phone, but he doesn't have any.
	He's homeless.
	I mean, the guy's living on the street.
	And some homeless people have mobile phones these days.
	I'm sorry, Jazz.
	Do homeless people have mobile or cell phones?
	Yeah, just about anybody in America.
	If you're on the street, you can get a free Obama phone.
	I was going to say, Jazz, I think you could get an Obama phone even.
	Yeah.
	But he posted that he didn't have any minutes on his phone.
	The next day, somebody offered to buy him a card so that he could at least a top-up card so he could at least have some minutes.
	But I think that they, in fact, it was Dark Penguin that made the offer.
	And I think there's no, it was the one.
	The one is the one that sent him a phone.
	Speaking of the one, what's his angle?
	Like, I don't know enough.
	I haven't seen enough of his posts to know, but sometimes it looks like he's playing around and other times he really has a point of view.
	We do have a caller.
	Let's see what they have to say.
	And we'll come back to that.
	You're on the line, Carla.
	Okay, you're doing quickies, right?
	I mean, quick calls, right?
	Yeah, the way you said that worked perfect.
	Keep going.
	Depends what you decide.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Nathan in the chat room.
	Call in.
	Okay, that's it.
	Thanks.
	Hold on.
	We got another caller.
	We got another caller.
	Go.
	Oh, hi.
	You know, that guy who called in, I don't remember his name.
	Was it Gary, the non-stalker of Hoagland, and the guy who called us got you four times?
	I believe I sent you the Mud King.
	There was a long interview that he did on a podcast called The Mind Cemetery.
	Personally, I wouldn't recommend listening to it.
	And personally, I have no desire to hear him.
	But if you want to hear someone rant and rave and verge on being incoherent, you know, I can get that link to you.
	Or you can find it yourself.
	But I, my God, he was terrible.
	So I just wanted to pass that along.
	I'll post a link in the chat for you guys.
	All right.
	Sounds good.
	Take it wherever you want.
	Thanks, Luke.
	Yeah, cool.
	Yep.
	Thank you.
	Hey, I just put Star Mountain back on the line.
	Sorry about that.
	There we go.
	I called her back, it looks like.
	So yeah, that's how important she is to this show.
	She is.
	I think she's wonderful.
	And I don't think you should ever listen to anybody's comments.
	That's all I got to say.
	Yeah, you know, this whole thing, I guess, since now I'm there, the Gabcast was always meant to be an extension of members of the forum having a conversation about the forum and to create a chilling effect by going in there and critiquing in some kind of negative way the people that come on this show to either host it or call in to give an opinion.
	That's just weak.
	It's weak on all kinds of levels because this thing is available for anyone to be a part of.
	It's open-ended.
	So don't sit here and rip the people that are your forum members.
	And I'm not sitting here like art saying that we're one of your own, but this is a place that we just sit and talk.
	It's a verbal version of the forum.
	And we're not putting this out.
	This isn't on public radio.
	This isn't on SiriusXM.
	It's not on FM.
	This is the forum doing its thing.
	So rather than sit there and critique people that call in and enjoy being a part of this, call in and host an episode.
	And we got another caller.
	I have no problem with anyone saying something about me, but do it to my face.
	Call in and tell me personally.
	Don't write a, you know, he didn't run on the forum.
	Right.
	Wow, Mr. Fidget has now entered the thread here.
	The chat room.
	The chat room, sorry.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	He says he can't call in because his phone's still not working and the phone cars is the one bottom.
	Oh, man.
	It's so funny.
	Tell him.
	This is our bell.
	I can't call in.
	I don't have enough minutes on my phone.
	It's like, you know.
	It's that one moment.
	You've waited all this time for your moment, and then you got your moment, and you're out of minutes.
	Please deposit $4.35.
	Mr. Fidget, you go find a public phone somewhere, put the number in, and I'll call you.
	I'll give you two minutes to do that.
	Oh, that's funny.
	But you know, Jazz, you know, what's interesting, it goes down to, and much, is about creativity.
	You know, it's like it's so hard to be creative in any kind of form.
	And some people like, you know, Malachi coming up with those things and everybody liking them and so forth.
	And it's sometimes this gap cast is just, I look at it as being creative.
	You got to show up and bring whatever you got and spill it out on the floor.
	And I find it when people critique in such a fashion that they're being really, really mean, I find a problem with it too.
	Yeah.
	And again, we're okay with criticism.
	You're critiquing us to get better.
	But yeah, this is the sun.
	I mean, yeah, we suck.
	Yeah, we got someone else on the line.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead, Cola.
	Hi, this is Delaney.
	Hi, Delaney.
	Hi.
	How are you doing?
	I've listened to you guys a lot of times, but I've never called in before.
	I'm a little nervous.
	Don't be nervous because we're nervous too.
	Well, you know, I am 62.
	I was born in 1954, and I love reading this forum because it's not over moderated.
	And it just feels like sometimes in some of the threads when the mud is slinging back and forth and everybody, you know, really gets it going.
	And it looks like the whole thread is going to circle the drain.
	And then all of a sudden, all of the funny videos come out.
	And I sit here and I think, this is why I love this place.
	You know, because I just enjoy, you know, it gets to the ridiculous point, and then everybody starts to laugh it off.
	It's supposed to be fun.
	Why would we do something if it wasn't fun, right?
	But you don't want it to be over moderated.
	You don't want it to be censored, really.
	Oh, I agree.
	Yeah.
	What was it that?
	I'm a huge Art Bell fan.
	I'm a fan of his interviewing style and his shows.
	I'm not a Art Bell groupie, you know.
	But I'd like to ask you guys a question.
	What's going to happen in your lives if Art never comes back?
	As you heard.
	How's that going to affect you?
	Not one bit.
	I mean, why would it?
	It's a radio show.
	I have a life.
	I've got kids.
	I've got a wife.
	I've got work.
	I've got lots of things going on in my life.
	This is just a hobby to me.
	If Art comes back, great.
	If he doesn't, and Art's like, he's out there in the universe, like the Beatles and My Heart, Johnny Carson.
	And I listen to probably at least one of Art's old shows every day.
	And I enjoy that.
	And I'll listen if Art comes back.
	But it just seems like it's just such a big debate about art coming back.
	And he's 70.
	You know, I'm getting up there too.
	So, you know, I can see why maybe it's just going to start to be too much for him.
	I would like to see him do like one really good interview a week.
	That would be perfect.
	I would definitely be there for that.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, I love listening to you guys.
	I love reading the forum.
	You know, you're right.
	There's some real talent out there.
	Yep.
	Well, post often.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thanks.
	You're going to answer a question?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	You can go next.
	What's going to happen with your life?
	Oh, you're asking me?
	I'm sorry?
	Yeah, what are you going to do if Art never comes back?
	I'm going to enjoy those old episodes.
	Just like Delaney said, I'm going to listen to him on a regular basis, and art won't leave my life because of that.
	And I'll move on each day just like I did the day before.
	Would it be better if he was on the air?
	Yes, but I'll be fine with status quo.
	If that's what I've got, then I accept it.
	Gravity?
	Oh, I mean, my life doesn't revolve around our bell.
	It revolves around Bell Gab.
	So if he comes back, he comes back.
	If he's not, he doesn't.
	I'm listening to MITD because it's better than Coast of Coast, in my opinion.
	Whether it's Heather or whether another guest comes in, as long as they keep my interest, I'm going to keep listening.
	Well, there's somebody here on this forum who is going to be as great as art one day.
	I mean, there's got to be somebody here because everybody has so much talent.
	I would agree.
	I think we've probably heard that person's voice even.
	And okay.
	Well, good night, you guys.
	Thanks a lot.
	Thank you.
	We've got another caller on the line here.
	Go ahead.
	MP is a fake.
	You're right.
	We got no surprise with that.
	We got another caller.
	You're on the line.
	Well, howdy.
	Howdy.
	Mr. Fidget.
	Is this really Mr. Fidget?
	We haven't talked for a long time.
	You always know if it's the real Mr. Fidget because if you can say it's a bottle opener, doorstop, zipper, pull for a ski jacket, rope, stay multidirectional, pulley paper, clip, bookmark faster than anybody like that's probably him.
	Okay, so Mr. Fidget, answer this for me.
	What is it like to travel through portals created by fidgeting?
	That is an interesting question, and I don't have a good answer because I'm still doing my research.
	I guess maybe Madman Markham will throw a fidget through his new GoFundMe there or something.
	Who knows?
	That's true.
	What is the question you wish you had asked but didn't get a chance to?
	Beautiful.
	You know, I didn't know that that was going to be a topic at issue.
	I just heard you guys talking about me, and I just wanted to say I didn't have an Obama phone.
	And somebody was around to let me borrow their iPhone 6.
	So I called you for that.
	And I blocked the number and you took the call anyway.
	So good thing I wasn't some troll.
	Oh, it's all good.
	No, trolls were.
	I opened the, I don't know if you heard, but anyone can call in and say whatever they want to.
	We opened the door to anyone called, but I'm not lumping you into that category, Mr. Fidget, because you have played a part in the history of art.
	I think it's important to say that I don't have any alts on Delgab that I use to interact with myself or drive other people crazy.
	So like this other, the one guy, you know, he said he was going to give me some phone cards.
	I guess he's out of the country.
	He said he got them, gave me some numbers.
	They didn't work, whatever.
	But we're not the same dude.
	And other than that, if I was going to talk to Art and ask him a question, I would just, you know, I guess really it is, why wouldn't he get back to me in any timely manner?
	Why did I have to run and chase him for 17 years to get any kind of a comment?
	Because when the documentation became available, I would have hoped he would have looked at it.
	But I do understand his position.
	For him, it's just one event in the time stream.
	He's moving on and he's got his life to deal with in a family.
	And then they had all that stuff going on, Ramota and all that stuff.
	So it's like, you know, I don't really fault him for that.
	But I just, it was like a bookend moment for me when he said on 300 and some stations in Simulcast, no credible journalist should talk to Mr. Fidget till everybody gets their fidgets, and then never looked back.
	And then I'm never able to talk to a credible journalist ever in spite of the legal situation that I went through.
	That just made it real difficult.
	So I needed a bookend on that on the other side of it.
	And I would think that he would be curious to know on behalf of his listeners what happened, where'd the money go and somebody's feet held to the fire, whatever it is.
	In this case, because my whole case reflects poorly on the system, nobody shines a light on it because it makes the system look bad.
	And the system doesn't want to make itself look bad.
	So I just have to accept it.
	And, you know, I'm glad he gave me what he did.
	You know, and I'm sorry I had to run after him for 17 years to get it.
	And I think that in hindsight, it'll all look pretty insignificant compared to what it is that I'm capable of doing.
	I just wanted to get on with it.
	And I want to get the fidget technology out so people can have them if they want them.
	Don't think everybody should have one.
	Boy, did I go on fast enough, long enough?
	Did you hang up on me?
	Mr. Fidget, so how are you feeling these days?
	I mean, I mean, how are you feeling?
	What's going on with you?
	Well, just here's here's for entertainment's sake, my last three and a half years, three years ago I was in a $4 million place all to myself guarding it for a whole year.
	Perfect serenity, really nice place for a year.
	That was great.
	Then I was out staying on my own for six months.
	Then I got another gig for a year.
	That's when I found Belgab when I was guarding like a 23,000-foot place in the Inland Empire.
	And so I just started checking out Belgab, and that's when I made the whole fidget thread and stuff.
	And then when the tenant came in for that place, I left that.
	So I did two one-year guard positions in between.
	And this year has been really dedicated to figuring out what to do about the fidget fiasco.
	Just trying to put the bookend on it.
	And maybe I shouldn't have called and you guys goaded me into calling in.
	I had to do it just to say I didn't have an Obama phone.
	I do have a really crummy.
	Do you want an Obama phone?
	Because I could probably make a call for you.
	Yeah.
	No, this is fun radio.
	This is what we're here for.
	Mr. Fidgets calling the Gabcast.
	Come on.
	I love this.
	I mean, what do you want everybody to know about?
	What do you want everybody to know now?
	If you could sum it up in 35 seconds, what do you want everybody to know about you and how you feel about your fidget?
	Well, if I was to limit it simply to fidgets, I don't think that it's an invention in the most classic sense because fidgets are just entirely circles put together.
	And so the universe probably had an idea of all the circular interaction, like planets and stuff spinning around and molecules and atoms and all that.
	That's got a better handle on circles.
	So what I've done is connected together circles into these little systems.
	And I think the fidgets may be revelatory in some sense of the way circular systems interact in general.
	And that eventually they will, you know, have a science definition, not what some guy whose bike chain broke and put them together thought definition.
	Because when you take stuff like torque and cycle and process and friction and leverage and balance, unity, harmony, order, and contrast, and you cram it into a little handheld thing that you can mess around with, you know, you're going to have an opinion.
	And that opinion is not necessarily, it doesn't matter if it really coincides with what science thinks.
	If when you fidget with it a certain way, your mind does a certain thing and that is a benefit to you.
	So like, for instance, you're standing in line, the guy's counting 100 pennies in front of you kind of deal.
	If you're fidgeting, you're not counting along with him.
	So that was way over 35 seconds.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, the fidgets are good, and I think they're going to be around a long time.
	They'll get more acknowledged.
	And I'm working really hard to make that happen.
	Now, I have holding in my hands right now a genuine Mr. Fidget fidget.
	And I'm not sure I've ever thanked you for sending that to MV, who in turn sent that down to Australia.
	Thank you.
	Wow.
	It may be one of the only, well, it's one of the few dozen fidgets down under land there, I suppose.
	Although I did send one there.
	I met somebody last week from Australia that took one with him.
	He was on his way to the airport and gave him a fidget and he was stoked.
	I've given all those ones that I put the pictures up on Bellgap.
	I gave all those away.
	So that's another hundred fidgetiers in the last few weeks.
	It's just been like, I'm out of fidgets now.
	I've got to make more, actually.
	I've got a knockoff fidget that I'm holding in my hand right now.
	Secondly, that's going to be a funny thing to see what happens with that because now that I've moved into the light from the 17-year darkness, at least as far as I'm concerned, I'm going to be pushing ahead.
	And I don't think I'm going to find the kind of staunch resistance that I had before.
	Because you guys just, you know, if you can appreciate this, you know, you invent a fidget.
	You're just doing some stuff with it.
	You come up with a bunch of different models.
	People kind of like them.
	You learn a little bit about business.
	You get into a partnership.
	You run into a thing that messes up your partnership and you don't know what to do about it.
	And then, you know, that's basically where I was at when I called Art Bell was at an emergency.
	I had just been hit with a $23,000 bill and I didn't have any method or way to pay it.
	And the partner didn't understand why the guards beat me up.
	And I couldn't explain to him because I didn't know either because they hadn't made up the shit that they wrote in the paperwork and then turned in and hid by putting these crazy dates on there.
	The whole thing can ever make sense to me.
	And it's just a crazy screwed up situation that anybody would even have to perceive something like this.
	And on the other side of it, yeah, sorry, I just got lost.
	Yeah, let's jump on it.
	Yeah, let's jump on two specific things, at least from my point of view.
	And if my co-hosts want to jump in with anything else, that's fine too.
	First is looking back with everything you just mentioned, do you regret making the phone call that made fidgets so popular to the Art Bell fan base?
	Like, do you regret the time of it?
	Absolutely not.
	I mean, I'm still glad I did that because I told everybody how to make a fidget, and a lot of neat things have sprung out of that.
	And in essence, this whole 17-year saga wouldn't exist without that call.
	You know, my pivotal mistake was allowing myself to succumb to the pressure of both Art and this guy, Toby, who showed up and talked on the show and talked to Art and stayed through the breaks and convinced me to make a sale offer in between the breaks.
	I didn't make that sale offer on Art's show until late in the third hour.
	Anybody that's going on there trying to sell stuff or pimp their wares, they're going to offer it once an hour and have it together.
	I did it as a direct response to Art's asking and Toby's urging, and I hadn't thought it through.
	And I really believe that the reason you don't hear of anything being sold over the radio for $5 is because it's practically a logistical impossibility to do everything that's required in order to make package produce and provide a product for $5.
	Okay, so second track is no, it's okay.
	No, you're good.
	I just wanted to jump into this next question.
	And no sweat.
	And as short as you can say it, we've all been a part of chapter one now, that 17-year saga going from the dark to now of the light of the experience.
	Chapter two, what is it?
	Well, what I'm working on and what I'm focused to achieve is the bicycle industry is a $6 billion market.
	Of that $6 billion they make, the average bicycle shop takes about $866,000 a year.
	Of that $866,000, about 35% of it is accessory items.
	A lot of times, people walking around in a bike shop buying stuff to pick up.
	I think fidgets can tap into that really substantial market and generate a bunch of revenue.
	And if you want to get into the bicycle market, the only way to do it is having accounts with these people, which is opened at Interbike, which happens in Las Vegas in September.
	So it's about $2,500 for a table at Enterbike.
	And the reality of the fact is, if I had my packaging together, my instructions, and all the company-oriented logistics and the overall lead times developed so that I knew what it took, I could go into Interbike and probably take orders for $1 million for the fidgets sitting at Enderbike because the products are that cool and they relate to the cycling industry.
	$6 billion industry.
	So that's where I'm headed is into the cycling industry.
	You would have made it on the TV show Shark Tank with that pitch then.
	Do you guys have anything else for Mr. Fidget?
	No.
	No, just sit up by my throat.
	Ask me any question.
	I'll try.
	I'll give you my best, guys.
	Okay.
	Do you forgive Art Bell now?
	I do.
	I'm just, I'm I forgive him.
	I just, I'm really kind of surprised that he wasn't kind of curious what happened.
	Considering I was willing to come forth with the information, I just thought he would have wanted to receive it and then be able to make an informed decision based on at least my portrayal of the facts.
	You know, I mean, at this point, no offense, Mr. Fidget.
	I find it.
	Let Jazz talk.
	It's cutting out as you're trying to both talk at the same time, Jazzco.
	No offense, Mr. Fidget, but in that 17 years, I don't think Art Bell thought about you probably once.
	And that's no offense to you.
	He probably wasn't even aware that there was an issue.
	He gets thousands of people.
	Yeah, yeah, there were some events, you know.
	I was in the proximity of him a few times.
	I had some emails back and forth with George.
	And I mean, you have to kind of go deep into the fidget thread to see it.
	But probably the whole reason that the fidget got put onto the rebroadcast on somewhere in time was because I called Ian Punnett when he was at the National Association of Broadcasters and said, hey, do you have, and I called him at his hotel right after he hung up with George, I called the front desk of the hotel and I said, Mr. Punnett's room, please.
	And I put me through his room.
	And I said, Ian, I'm Mr. Fidget, inventor of the fidget.
	I don't know if you've heard my story.
	Do you have a minute to talk to an ex-guest?
	And we went ahead.
	I didn't have anything to do with these guys.
	So I told him the whole story.
	And then he said, well, I'll check into it.
	And then he called the archives trying to get a copy of the fidget show to make a listen to it so he would know what it was.
	And then the lady that ran the archives liked the show and put it into rotation to get replayed.
	And that's how it even ever happened that it became a somewhere in time episode.
	If it hadn't been for me continuing to pester, I knew I was pestering.
	I just wanted a meeting for people to look at the documents.
	That's all I wanted, was to be able to show anybody what happened.
	And I just couldn't do that.
	So I do think he thought about it in the last 17 years because I kept coming and coming and coming until there was an opportunity for him to at least address me in some manner.
	So it sounds like you're coming now.
	That's what it sounds like, definitely.
	There's going to be so many clips that can come from this episode.
	So you listened to the R interview with MV, I'm guessing?
	Yeah, it was great.
	It was great.
	I enjoyed it.
	I think he answered all the questions the best that he could.
	And there are some nuances to it that I noticed.
	But all things considered, I just think he's going to come back.
	I think he will come back.
	I think he's got nothing to lose to come back and everything to gain.
	And I think he likes doing it.
	And I know people like listening to it.
	And half the people that are complaining about it are people that want to listen to it and can't.
	And that's why they're complaining.
	And I kind of don't blame them for that.
	It's a boring radio landscape, you know?
	All right, last question, and then I'm going to let you go.
	If we were to have a Bell Gab convention, would you be a keynote speaker for that?
	Only if I could give out free fidgets to everybody.
	It'd be a requirement, I think.
	It'd be in the contract.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'd be willing to show up as long as I didn't have to fear for my safety.
	Well, MV would personally protect every person who comes to the Bell Gab convention, I'm sure.
	And just for fun, you know, because we're talking on the phone now, I wanted to do some deep woods.
	I've got a little bit of Missouri Deep Woods for you here.
	And a little Tim Brickish, a little British, too.
	And let's see, what else have I got?
	Southern Drawl.
	Where's my draw?
	There's the draw.
	So when you go down.
	Wait, wait, no, wait.
	Hold on.
	Do a JC impression right now.
	Keep the boiling pits of sewage.
	Okay.
	How dare you?
	Okay, well, thank you very much, Mr. Fidget, for calling.
	We appreciate it.
	That's crossing the streams.
	Great night, guys.
	You can't cross the streams.
	Post often.
	Post often.
	Yes, please do.
	Thank you.
	Wow.
	Bye-bye.
	Have a good night, guys.
	What night?
	What's it like to be a friend of Mr. Fidget's?
	Wow.
	Here, borrow my phone, Mr. Fidget.
	Being a friend with Mr. Fidget would be like being a friend with the universe.
	You would always have something to talk about.
	You'd be open to everything and everything is circular and all is all.
	That's amazing.
	All right, you guys have anything else before I attempt to play some music and end this thing?
	I think we lost gravity.
	Gravity.
	No, we didn't lose gravity, did we?
	Yeah, I think we had a connection issue.
	He might have fidgeted himself out of existence.
	I don't know.
	We'll have to figure that out more to come.
	The best quote of Richard C. Hoagland is, more is more and less is less.
	I don't exactly know what all that means, but that's the line.
	More is more and less is less.
	Well, luckily that...
	Is it you who keeps posting that picture of that guest that Richard...
	Gary?
	Oh, yeah, everybody.
	Yeah.
	Gary Spivey.
	I think it's hilarious.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm doing it because it's yeah, I keep posting.
	I post it to calm the I post that and I post the Beatles.
	The love you bring in the end, the love you bring is the love you make.
	And I'm just trying to let everybody know, hey, man, I don't know anything about life, but be careful what you sling because it awful comes back, I think.
	So that's all.
	It's not his real hair.
	Yeah, that's his real hair.
	He said, that was the question.
	Somebody wormholed it and asked him, is that your real hair?
	And he said, yeah, I take complete credit for my hair.
	There's wild videos of him.
	And I just thought he was a wild guest.
	And I like wild guests.
	I think Mr. Fidget was a wild guest.
	Unpredictable.
	Why I would do why I why I do radio while maybe you guys probably feel the same way.
	I don't know.
	It's like, how could you predict Mr. Fidget calling?
	That's just a classic to me.
	Yeah, I agree.
	If no one didn't call, it was Heather.
	You know, that would have been the top of the cake talking about why she posted her picture and how she feels about that.
	But next time.
	Next on the next Bell or Gabcast.
	All right, let's see if my audio works and you hear the horns playing, then this episode is over.
	Otherwise, this episode is over still.
	Right.
	Jazz.
	Okay, you're going to play it, Jasmunda.
	I don't know what's wrong with my computer, but it's James.
	I'm sorry for talking over you.
	So we're just going to go with good old Eddie Dean porn music.
	Okay, but then showroom.
	Sorry to cut you off there.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, I was going to say, I absolutely had just a wonderful time with you guys and gravity.
	Just wonderful.
	You guys are amazing.
	And don't you forget it.
	You keep doing what you're doing at Showroom because it's really fun to host these with you.
	I appreciate you having us on with you on this episode.
	And Jasmunda, it's all you.
	You take us out.
	Well.
	Oh, yeah.
	Thank you, everyone, for joining us tonight.
	What a fun show we had.
	We had lots of callers, lots of discussion.
	Thank you to Art Bell.
	Thank you to MV.
	Thank you to Mr. Fidget.
	Thank you to my co-hosts, The Mud King and Showroom Dummy and Gravity Sucks while he was here.
	My name is Jasmunda.
	This has been the Gabcast.
	See you later, guys.
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