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21 April, 2015

21 April, 2015 ---------- EVP child callers, Art Bell's AAC+ plans, back pain, and more.

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	This is the Gap Cast, a podcast about Bellgap.com.
	Call the show now at 623-242-CAST.
	That's 623-242-2278.
	Now, shut up, sit down, and listen to the damn show.
	Host is in the chat room.
	He's here for the titty.
	This is the Gabcast.
	Hi, everybody.
	I'm MV.
	Onin's here.
	Jasmund is here.
	Redacted is here.
	Hi, everybody.
	How are you doing?
	I hope you're having a lovely evening.
	I just fell off a cliff there.
	I'm going home.
	Have a good night.
	It's been fun.
	Yeah.
	If you would like to, you know, that's a little gag I do too much.
	I'm going to have to stop that.
	It's almost a crutch at this point, pretending that I'm ending the show.
	I probably do that five times per episode.
	Aren't people getting a little tired of my little hack bits?
	I'm going to quit.
	I don't think it's enough.
	That sounds like a vote you've just casted, Onin.
	The rest of you?
	I'm with jazz.
	You can do that nine or ten more times, dude.
	God.
	I tell you what.
	Jesus, God.
	You know, people have really given shit to Art Bell over the years as a result of either missing a show here or there because of back pain or retiring altogether as a result of back pain at one point.
	That was, let's see, they shit canned Mike Siegel.
	Art Bell came back on the air and he was there for what, a year or two, and then he quit again because of back pain.
	And it'll be two weeks ago Thursday.
	We had a storm that came through here and it blew a bunch of water through a window that I didn't have up onto my tile floor.
	I slipped and fell and landed in like a sitting position.
	And as soon as it happened, oh my God, I knew I was in trouble.
	I knew bad things just happened.
	But I just jumped up immediately and got off the floor and started walking around just to sort of psychologically, just to convince myself, you're okay.
	You're not going to die.
	Regardless of what reality may or may not have been at that moment.
	And ever since I've been in excruciating pain.
	I tell you what, man, when you have really, truly bad back pain, the kind that introduces you to new levels of pain that you've never experienced in your life before, it just entirely saps your ability and will to do pretty much anything.
	It really does.
	I was lifting a patient by myself one time a long time ago, and I popped my back out and I couldn't walk.
	I literally could not walk for three weeks.
	It's, yeah, when your back hurts, it's a bitch.
	By the way, Onin, you've got some sort of a fan noise that appears to be reverberating further away from my box.
	It sounds like it's reverberating through the table that your mic is resting on.
	That's the impression I get.
	Is this any better?
	Yeah, that's perfect.
	Okay, because now we're back to the cerebral problems.
	You probably didn't move it at all.
	You're just like, oh, what a douche Michael is.
	No, no, no.
	I'm leaning over to the corner of my desk now.
	Yeah.
	So I have a new understanding of pain that I didn't have previously in my 35 years.
	And so, you know what, Art, if you happen to hear this, when you start doing your show in July, you're not going to get any grief at all from this fat piece of shit if you decide not to do a show here or there.
	Well, aren't you a pussy?
	You've slipped on a tie, a wet tile, an art bill fell 30 feet off a utility pole.
	You know, you're right.
	I may as well have slipped on my way into the clinic to have my penis removed based on the juxtaposition here.
	It really is actually quite a it was a pussy event, yes.
	Well, I don't know.
	In defense of your being a pussy, I've actually broken that ass bone, the whatever they call it, Onin College.
	You actually broke it.
	I discovered it.
	Yeah, and that was.
	No, I actually fell down on a stage.
	That was done during the line of duty.
	My story was more interesting.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, well, of course it was.
	But no, it can hurt.
	And all I wanted to say, Michael, was that it put me down for six weeks.
	I'm just listening to you articulate what you did to yourself is making me feel like I want to throw up right now because I can understand the pain.
	It's just listening to it.
	I'm feeling it.
	And I know I didn't break my tailbone, but I definitely feel it anytime I get up.
	And my knee hurts and my ankle hurts.
	The Prius is wrecked.
	Hey, wait, are you asking for money?
	Actually, I do.
	It's a very thin line that separates the two of us as I engage in a little bit of self-analysis.
	I'm starting to have my own personal judgments that I'm rendering against myself.
	If you want to be on the show tonight, you can call us and we'll be happy to talk to you.
	And the number to do that is 623-242-CAST.
	It is 623-242-2278.
	That's 623-242-CAST, if you want to be on the show.
	And it is not toll-free.
	Thank you for calling our show tonight.
	Why would we provide you with a toll-free number?
	Why are there even toll-free numbers anymore?
	Doesn't everyone have free long-distance at this point?
	Isn't that just pretty much an assumed thing?
	I was watching Beavis and Butthead.
	I downloaded a torrent of Beavis and Butthead episodes, and surprisingly, the quality is amazing.
	And it includes the music commentary, which is something you normally don't get, which just sucks so hard and shows us the absurdity of music royalties and copyright law and how that's all managed.
	It's just nuts that that's not allowed to be included.
	But as I'm watching, they're talking about some music video and how it looks like a long-distance telephone commercial and Beavis is like, they keep talking about savings, but I just don't see it.
	I remembered that line from an MCI commercial back in the early 90s.
	And man, that's just when you see something.
	That's why I like to go back and see old stuff like this because it just sucks your mind back to a moment that you had completely just omitted from conscious memory.
	But I guess that's an interesting, Onin, this would be your department.
	That's an interesting commentary on how the brain works.
	Just all this random little stuff that you remember, but that you don't know you remember until something triggers that memory.
	And just the crazy stuff chemically that's got to be happening in your brain to make all that work is just insane.
	Let's talk about nuclear or rather molecular biology.
	Here's Onin.
	Yeah, because, yeah, because it's so exciting.
	You know, the person you really want to talk to is Eddie Coyle because he doesn't forget anything.
	I have seen the things he posts where he just remembers these obscure, weird little things that no normal human being who wasn't damaged in some way at some point should remember.
	And I often would like to see someone test him just to see if it's not like, because anybody can type anything on a keyboard.
	I mean, for all I know, he could be going back and looking at an old post that he submitted somewhere just to make sure that he keeps something consistent.
	But who would go to that much trouble?
	I mean, surely he really is remembering all that crazy stuff the way he claims to.
	He doesn't go to that much trouble.
	But I would like to see him test it sometime.
	Yeah.
	I think he's real.
	I think it's the real deal with him.
	Well, I mean, he appears never to have slipped up, and he's been using the form for a long time.
	Yeah.
	So he's one of those weirdos who can tell you what day of the week you were born on if you just simply tell him when you were born.
	Yeah, and yeah, he can pull stuff up.
	That's messed up.
	I don't know.
	I think it's kind of amusing.
	I would bug the shit out of him if he was my neighbor.
	I'd always be asking him.
	Go ahead.
	I was watching.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm just such a, I've had a lot of coffee.
	I don't mean to interrupt.
	I was watching, this is something I remember in the 90s, one of these infomercials where this guy's selling these VHS tapes to teach you, tell your friends what day of the week they were born on.
	Tell someone else what the weather forecast was for the entire week that their grandma died in 1959.
	You've got to be able to do all this more.
	Call 1-800, you know, then the 1990s, 1-800, and then the blue screen with the address that you mail your check to.
	See, there's something else.
	I've totally forgotten about that.
	But there was a time, not that long ago, where when you wanted something, you had to send them a check.
	And the guy that's doing this says that, well, one day I was on a golf course and I was just thinking about my checking account balance when suddenly something clicked in my head and I was able to do all these miraculous things with numbers.
	And from there, I just decided to make my cassette tapes and send them out so you can buy them and do what I do.
	And they always cost $19.95.
	Everything was plus shipping and handling.
	And then they got smart and they started calling it shipping and processing, which enabled them to tack even more fees on top of the shipping and handling.
	Shipping, handling, and processing.
	That's what they do now.
	I had to pay something the other day.
	Oh, I was helping.
	I was paying for my son's mover.
	And so I whipped out my card and give it to him.
	They said there's going to be a 5% processing fee.
	And I said, horse, horse shit.
	What are you people talking about?
	You know, it was $600 to move him, and they wanted another 5% because I wasn't giving them cash on a Sunday.
	So you go figure.
	Well, see, when you don't pay cash, we got to have a little elf come over with a wheelbarrow.
	We got to put your paperwork in the wheelbarrow.
	He's got to push it all the way to fucking St. Louis.
	They got to get that out of the wheelbarrow up there, take it up.
	33 flights of steps.
	They have to staple and collate.
	You mean to tell me you can't pay 5%?
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	In this day and age, credit card processing fees is the biggest scam, especially online processing fees is such a scam.
	I mean, you buy a movie ticket and you're saving them the money of having to print out a ticket.
	You're saving them from having a staff member, you know, serve you.
	Yeah.
	And you have to pay $2 for the luxury of saving them some money.
	Actually, we start a business and we franchise it and we just hire people to go beat people up that pull this kind of shit.
	They just view it from the perspective of, well, this is more convenient for you.
	So you better pay.
	Yeah, people have actually pulled that on me like, what the fuck are you saying?
	But yeah, it's a nuts world.
	I don't know.
	Dir in the chat room, Jasmunda, he wants to know if you are broadcasting from the bathroom.
	Would he like me to?
	We've all been hoping you would, but he's finally just blown it wide open.
	Yeah.
	And you know something?
	This whole thing with me hurting my back, I am certain that if I weren't such a fat tub of shit, if I were keeping my weight under better control, I am entirely confident that I would not have been hurt as badly as I was.
	That's true.
	If you have an injury, being heavy is a problem, but actually being heavy and falling is probably a bit of a cushion for you.
	I'm not kidding.
	He's right.
	Totally right.
	Really?
	Well, I mean, it just seems like the additional weight would bring more stress upon the structure of your skeleton as you're coming down.
	All I can tell you is that people that are overweight survive crashes much more readily than people that are thin.
	Well, I'm going to have to reconsider my decision to lose weight and perhaps live longer.
	There are a lot of paradoxes with obesity, believe it or not.
	I mean, can you think of another one off the top of your head?
	Yeah, people that go in for major surgery survive better if they're heavy than if they're thin.
	What?
	I would never expect that to be the case.
	It's the truth.
	I would expect the anesthesiologist to have a much more difficult time with a fat person.
	I would expect everything to be more shaky.
	Is there an explanation for that?
	Well, none that really meet my satisfaction, but the predominant one is that you have more food stores when you're heavy, and so you can recover more quickly because your body can mend faster.
	God.
	Well, you've given me a lot to think about.
	I was going to lose.
	That's why I put on an extra 20 pounds.
	You know, the only thing I can do is ride a bicycle with my back the way it is, just walking.
	The act of walking each step is like just as pain.
	Every single.
	Yes, people don't understand that.
	Like, as I'm walking, I am in pain with every step I'm taking as I'm walking with you.
	Even if you're sitting in a chair and you happen to sneeze or cough or laugh, even that will hurt.
	I just know from experience.
	Yes, sneezes are very painful right now.
	I don't know if this is actual truth or not, but I was told by a chiropractor years ago that sitting puts twice as much stress on your back as standing.
	I believe that entirely.
	Another paradox.
	Well, I would expect really getting on a bicycle and pedaling across town would not be good to do in this state.
	But actually, that's been the one thing I can do because I've been very inactive since this all happened.
	So I've been trying to ride my bike a lot so I don't turn into an even larger tub of shit.
	So yesterday I took my little two-year-old girl and I put her on the little seat that I've got on the back of my big-ass mountain bike and just went on a nice little ride, took her to the park.
	That's so much fun just to disconnect from everything.
	Although I will say, I did read the Falke thread for about five minutes at the park.
	I will cop to that.
	But otherwise, I was completely disconnected and paying fatherly attention to my offspring.
	As it should be.
	As it should be.
	So what do you guys want to talk about?
	What's been on your mind?
	I mean, it's been a long time since we did a show.
	We got the green light from art.
	We're on.
	Did we talk about that before?
	Not really.
	I've been complaining about the ups and downs.
	Well, I think that at this point, we've seen so many ups and downs, and we've been behind the scenes almost with art, watching all of this come together or not come together or however you would like to apply your analysis.
	And so any quote-unquote confirmation that everything is a go and a solidified date and everything, people are just not going to go wetting themselves yet.
	They want to see the actual show start, I think, before everybody gets all crazy.
	Had we not had all those false starts and then the same announcement were made, then everybody, but it would be batshit nuts.
	I get a little worried every time Art's been doing some testing of different streams and asking people to test out this link, see if it works, does it work?
	And I get really nervous because people are reporting back, it doesn't work with this browser, doesn't work with this browser.
	I just get worried that Art's going to throw his hands up in the air and go, I give up.
	I know.
	I had that same thought too.
	That's why this AAC plus thing, bad deal.
	I mean, that's a bad idea.
	And I understand that the I understand the novelty of audio quality, audio resolution sounding like that at 32 kilobits per second.
	There's a certain novelty to that.
	But when we're talking about just sheer functionality, just the logistics of making all this work, the logistics of people just turning on a speaker and hearing art speaking.
	I mean, most people are, how do you think most people are going to be listening to this?
	I mean, I understand wanting excellent sound quality, but if you're listening to this over your cell phone, really?
	You know, I'm still a fan of the old little bit of low-hum whistle over the radio while I was listening to Art Bell.
	I don't need all the bells and whistles to make this into a great sound.
	I just want to hear him talk.
	So I mean, I'll support whatever's going to happen, but I just think it's an awful lot to throw out there for very little return.
	Well, the way I see it is people are going to listen either through an app on their phone, whether it be TuneIn or some other app, or they're going to go to their computer and listen through the website.
	And there really just needs to be a button on the website that says listen here.
	Press that button and it works.
	No copying and pasting into browsers or what have you.
	Yeah, when it's time to listen, you just go to artbell.com and press play.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	You know what?
	That's what this all needs to be boiled down to.
	Nobody should be talking about TuneIn or any of this horseshit.
	It should just be you go to artbell.com.
	There's a big ass button that says play.
	You hit it.
	Hey, guess what?
	From the high hazard.
	Yep, I agree.
	Because, you know, most people, I mean, I like to think that most people have a little more technical expertise than I do, but actually, I'm probably kind of the average.
	And I got to tell you, if I got to go through three or four steps to listen, fuck it, I'm not listening.
	Too much work.
	Come on, buddy.
	You know I'm going to help you.
	But you might not be there.
	I'll be there.
	You don't ever worry about that.
	I'll be there.
	Are we worried at all that the listener slots?
	Didn't he say there would be 70,000 available?
	Are we worried that we're not going to be able to get a spot?
	No, not now.
	I'm not, but it might come into play down the road.
	Yeah.
	And maybe, who knows?
	Maybe within three weeks, he'll have 70 plus.
	Maybe he'll have it the first day.
	He's asking us to do an awful lot of social media for him.
	I don't know about you, but I've got like four followers on Twitter.
	So I don't think I'm going to be a big dent in that market.
	I thought your titties would make you so much more popular than that.
	You would think, you know, but it's just a common commodity anymore.
	Everybody's got them, so I'm just kind of out there.
	It's all the hormones in the milk these days.
	That's it.
	Everybody's walking around with moobs.
	You can't compete.
	You just can't, you know.
	Well, I think that things are being set up.
	I don't know, man.
	I just, look, I used to do programming in a now defunct language called Appware back in high school.
	And I also did some JavaScript at that time.
	And I really wish I would have stuck with the JavaScript because I'd have a lot more money now than I currently do.
	But one of the things you learn when you're coding is that you need to think from the perspective of a user.
	Any stupid move that could possibly be made in the course of using your software is going to be made by somebody.
	Any batshit, crazy assumption that could possibly be made in the course of using your code is going to be made.
	So you need to account for that.
	You need to accommodate that in the course of putting together your, in the course of writing code and building software.
	And so what that really is a long-winded way of saying is that no matter what way there is for people to screw up in the course of doing this, listening to art, they will find a way to do it.
	I mean, it doesn't matter how obscure or whatever that way is.
	They will find a way to screw up and not be able to make this work.
	And you will get emails from these people.
	And in addition to having to essentially produce the show, I mean, I think Keith Rowland is going to be filling in a lot of different shoes.
	He's going to be filling a lot of different roles.
	I mean, he does not need to be getting emails from people who say they can't listen to the stream.
	He just doesn't need that.
	I can tell you from what I do for a living during the day, our website is incredibly simple, and you're completely right.
	People will mess it up and they will find a way.
	Even if it's idiot-proof, they will find a way.
	You can't be idiot-proof.
	They're so proficient at finding a way to screw it up.
	Nothing can be idiot-proof.
	I worked for a company that sold machinery years ago, and we had one of their people come in, and he said that no matter what business, 80% of failures to be able to use for product are user error.
	I got to agree with that.
	Look at the player that we have right now doing this show.
	It couldn't be simpler, and there's no reason art needs anything more than this.
	Why?
	What reason could there possibly be that art needs anything more than what we have here in our chat room?
	Not this specific design, but the same premise that you just go to a URL and you're listening to the show.
	I think his perspective is a bit skewed, and he thinks everyone's going to have a system similar to what he's got.
	And I think he's lost sight of the fact that most people are going to have $20 speakers hooked up to their computer.
	Well, I think part of the problem is that when you are somewhat like, I'm guessing I have a pretty good idea of how Keith's mind works in the course of putting something like this together.
	And he probably doesn't do a good job of seeing things from the perspective of a user because he's a guy who he's a, I assume he's a web developer.
	I don't really know what his skill set is, but I'm assuming he's a web developer.
	He's, you know, he's that guy that puts stuff together and makes it work.
	And those people are never good at communicating with regular people and seeing things from the perspective of little people or not little, the peasantry, the rabble.
	It's like that movie Office Space where the guy who backs out of his car and gets run into and he's all hobbled in this just full-body cast.
	He's trying to argue with the Bobs about what it is that he does.
	Engineers aren't good at talking to customers.
	What is wrong with you people?
	I'm good at talking to people.
	And he's freaking up, but that's so true.
	You know, you don't want, I guess that's what I would say Keith probably could be called, an engineer.
	You don't want that type of person trying to decide how regular people are going to interact with whatever solution it is that you're presenting them with.
	You want a regular person who tells the engineer what to do.
	That's what you want.
	Well, because go right ahead.
	I had an experience with Keith when arts, when you put arts website back up online.
	I don't know if you've ever viewed artbell.com from your mobile phone, but it's exactly the same as the web version.
	And it's got these two columns.
	And because the screen is so much smaller than your computer screen, it's got about in each column, there's about three words before it goes to the next line.
	And I had an email conversation with him back and forth, trying to sort of advise him that maybe he should just have one column.
	And it just, you know, you just keep scrolling down.
	And he just sort of seemed to get frustrated with me.
	And in the end, he said, well, this is how it's going to be, and this is how it is.
	And that was it.
	But I was just trying to help him.
	And he seemed to get a bit naky towards me towards the end.
	Yeah, I'm looking myself on my phone at artbell.com and I see what you're saying.
	Do you see what I'm saying?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but I mean, I will say that the two columns, the font size, is at least large enough because all you're going to do is tap on one or the other anyway to go to the full story.
	Yeah, but aesthetically, it would look nicer just one, you know, one thing per lot, one column.
	Yeah.
	I'm sitting here navigating.
	It is just a small version of the full site, pretty much, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	I mean, the menu dropdowns are a little different, but it's just the attitudinal approach that you're talking about, really.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, I understand.
	Oh, I understand, Jasmine.
	I understand.
	Yeah, if you'd like to be on the show and talk about all this stuff, I'll give the number here in a second.
	What were you going to say?
	Well, oftentimes engineers know 100 times more than we do, and they kind of assume that we know all the ins and outs and code for how these things work.
	And we don't.
	We just, you know, we are the lowly little unwashed user over here.
	And we just want to know how do you make it work?
	I don't want to know how to make one.
	I just want to know how to make it work, please.
	The simplicity of listening to art's internet radio show needs to be on par with the simplicity of listening to arts terrestrial radio show on AM radio.
	It needs to be equally simple.
	I go to artbell.com, I press play, now I go do dishes.
	End of story.
	I agree.
	Someone that's just, I don't know.
	Well, I could, I'm sitting here pissing and moaning, but at the same time, we do at least have a pretty direct line of communication with the man himself, which is rather unprecedented, if you ask me.
	So, I mean, these concerns and thoughts are at least able to be communicated and heard by somebody who matters.
	I hate to be the grumpy one again, but I will say that I got a bit annoyed the other day.
	Somebody was taking Art Bell to task on some issue and Art's response was, well, I can just not post here anymore.
	Oh, wasn't it Nori is Awesome said something about Keith Rowland and how he thinks that Keith is mucking up the works?
	I believe that's your correct.
	Yeah.
	And I thought, like, wow.
	You know, so are we going to have some sort of tyranny here where if we say the wrong thing, you're going to go away?
	Because, Jesus, I can't, you know, I can't predict how people are going to respond to you.
	And hell, I might be the one to offend you in that.
	Well, but you do know that art has not only threatened that time, but actually made the declarative statement, I'm not going to use this forum anymore.
	This will be my last post.
	So, I mean, he's like any of us.
	You know, we all have moods and we all get a little snitty.
	But I think at this point, well, that's true, but he doesn't feel like he's Art Bell.
	I think he feels like he's one of us.
	And that's the whole awesomeness of it all.
	That's kind of how he seems to be relating to us is just as one of the dudes.
	You know?
	That's true.
	And that is awesome.
	When you just put it in that perspective, that is like, what?
	Wow.
	That's pretty cool.
	Because, I mean, I get frustrated with people that are just following me around the forum, giving me problems.
	And eventually I reach my breaking point and I say, fuck this guy, and I push a button.
	I figure if someone is annoying the shit out of me, then they're probably most certainly annoying other people as well.
	That's the only way I do.
	I would take to get in touch with that button.
	Well, let's just say I need to buy a new crib because my termite daughter put toothmarks in the other one everywhere.
	So that thing's got to go.
	So yes, money can make things happen.
	I just want to put that out there.
	I'm not saying anything.
	I'm not alluding to anything.
	I'm just putting that out there.
	Message received.
	I'm heading to Amazon right now to look at baby cribs.
	Yeah, do you have a list of things?
	Are you on a baby registry?
	No, I don't do that sort of thing.
	Is that where like you have a wish list?
	Is that what a wish list is?
	You know how when people have weddings, they have a bridal registry.
	I can't wow.
	The hip thing these days is for people to have a baby registry.
	Oh, no.
	I don't know, Michael.
	It's pretty gay.
	I could see you signing up for that right now.
	And I want the pink ruffle crib right there.
	That one.
	Doesn't that just seem like bad form to put a list out there?
	These are the things I want for my baby that I decided to produce and didn't ask your input for.
	Well, that's why they call it a registry, to make it all nice and polite.
	Well, it's not polite.
	I know.
	That's why I don't know.
	That's impolite.
	I agree with you, nor do I. Let's take a look at it.
	I like your idea, Michael, that to have some input in the actual making of the baby might have been nice.
	Yeah, if you're going to go putting lists in everybody's face, why don't you have a few words with everybody about what type of birth control you're using prior to the necessity of the list?
	Is that too much to ask?
	Here's the deal.
	If I got to buy you a gift, please give me an idea so I don't have to think about it.
	And in the words of George Bush, don't send your blankets or your pillows.
	Just send cash.
	Just send cash.
	That's what he said down in Haiti.
	Don't send water or blankets or anything like that.
	Just send cash.
	Down there with old Billy Clinton sucking up all that Haiti earthquake money.
	And I don't think those people have gotten a dime.
	As far as I can tell, they're still eating clay cookies.
	Did you know they eat clay cookies in Haiti?
	They do.
	They hold literally anyone with bottles of water or blankets down there, so they didn't get that either.
	Just send cash.
	I would love to try it.
	I would try a clay cookie.
	I mean, if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me.
	That's how I feel.
	Wherever I travel, whatever you're eating, I will not eat sheepface, though.
	They eat a lot of in Morocco.
	I think that harkens back to a time when whatever animal you were able to go out and, as the hunter-gatherer, kill and bring home to your family, you had to use everything.
	And so that's why, like, if you go into these cultures where they, you know, get a sheep and slaughter it or whatever, they use everything.
	There's nothing they don't use or eat.
	They eat the stomach, they eat the face, they eat just, oh my God, it's so disgusting.
	I guess I do have my limits on my whole, you know, world traveler philosophy.
	I do have my limits.
	There are things I won't eat, but I will try the clay cookies.
	See, now I'm just the opposite.
	I'd eat the sheepface, but you can keep the cookie.
	Thank you.
	In Scotland, they take all those extra parts, mince them up, and put them in the stomach.
	Oh, my God.
	Is that haggis?
	Yeah.
	Oh, God.
	Just that word haggis.
	You want some haggis?
	Don't you already just want to.
	It's just like, I'm going to invent a new food name right now, and you tell me if it sounds tasty.
	Flurgan.
	No.
	You know, I got a big bowl of flergan over here.
	What you do is you cook it a week in advance, let it sit in the crawl space under your house where young boys were murdered 30 years ago, and then you bring it up and you just put it in a tub of warm water and let it just get lukewarm and then serve it right up.
	I tell you what, people are going to be talking about your dinner parties for years to come.
	Tasty.
	Flergan, brought to you by Van Deven Enterprises.
	Let's go to the phones.
	Hi, how are you?
	Who's this?
	Hey, it's Pony Boy Sunset.
	Oh, Jesus Christ, her again.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Didn't we get restraining order?
	If you guys did do the restraining order, I haven't gotten it.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't think restraining orders necessarily cover phone calls, do they?
	Or do they?
	I was going to say, I don't think there's a clause for that.
	I believe it depends on how it's written.
	Could be.
	Well, I'm going to have to look into that.
	So, Pony Boy Sansa, how are you?
	Oh, I'm good.
	I just wanted to call up and tell people they should donate to your forum.
	Oh, God, don't do that.
	I'm specifically telling everybody, don't donate to my form.
	You want to know why I had to write such a big tax check this year?
	Because of you people and your stupid forum donations.
	So just stop it.
	Do you have to claim that?
	Oh, yes.
	That's income.
	Yeah.
	I didn't get to write it off on my taxes.
	You know what really sucked this year was I finished up my taxes.
	I sent it all off to my accountant.
	And I already knew at that moment I had to write a big check, a big tax check.
	And then I realized, oh, damn it, I forgot the Bell Gamb donations.
	Shit.
	So then I had to go add all of that up and send it off and just, you know, take an even larger, shall we say, object.
	I think you should speak to an accountant because maybe you can claim them as gifts.
	Really?
	Oh, I can start a religion.
	I don't know about that.
	I mean, I told him what it is, and he's like, okay, I'll put that in there.
	So I don't know.
	Maybe he's just like one of these fundamentalist Christian accountants who don't want to cut any corners.
	You want a good accountant.
	Don't go get one who works as the musical director at his church because he isn't going to do shit for you.
	Get one that's on probation for fraud to begin with.
	There's this guy here in Cape Girardo.
	His name's Jerry Husky.
	He's an accountant.
	And my dad used to use this dude from time to time.
	I guess for a few years he used him.
	And he's the musical director at one of the churches in town here.
	And finally, my dad just one morning said, you know what?
	Fuck this guy.
	He doesn't do anything for me.
	I mean, it was just like the level of taxation that my dad was faced with after leaving this guy was infinitely more pleasing.
	I was just, I guess he was afraid that if he got you any tax breaks, he would go to hell or something.
	It's like he views paying taxes as tithing or something.
	I don't know.
	But anyway, Ponyboy Sunset, what are you calling our show for tonight?
	Or did I already ask you that?
	You did, but that's okay.
	I wanted to know, MB, you were talking about getting your knitting show going last show.
	So when is that happening?
	I don't even remember saying that.
	Did I say that?
	What was the context?
	I don't remember.
	You and the general were talking about your knitting shows.
	God damn.
	I don't remember.
	I'm sorry.
	I swear to God, my mind is just mush these days.
	Ibuprofen, I'm popping it like Tic Tacs.
	All kidding aside, no, seriously, your form is done.
	I thought you were serious.
	I thought you were serious as a heart attack.
	So I didn't talk about a knitting show.
	Now I'm thoroughly.
	I swear to God, you did.
	And you were talking about doing the train wreck thing with Evelyn, and you did this whole thing about it.
	Yeah.
	Did I do a whole thing?
	I vaguely remember mentioning it.
	Did I, was I, what's the name of this show?
	What are we doing here?
	Is this a microphone?
	What in the hell is this?
	What have you taken before we went on the air?
	That's the question.
	Yeah, that's between me and my God, Redacted.
	I'm so glad that my donation is going to give you.
	Yeah, you know, lewds are a lot more expensive than they used to be.
	So what can I say?
	God, you have lewd?
	Where did you ever have?
	I thought they were extinct.
	No, I don't have lewds.
	No, they're not extinct, but they're not as good as they used to be.
	Well, so, Onin, you're saying they are still professionally manufactured?
	I believe they still are, yes.
	Well, I learned on Wolf of Wall Street that they're not, so I think you're wrong.
	Well, you know, I had that very same conversation with one of the doctors I worked with, and he said, no, you can still get them.
	Really?
	Well, I'm glad we did this show tonight because I did not know that.
	Ponyboy Sunset, have you ever taken lewds?
	No, but I did acid once and I loved it.
	Yeah.
	Well, I don't really want to comment on that.
	People that have done acid.
	I only did it once.
	People that have done acid once have not done acid.
	Have you ever seen the music?
	Did you see the music when you did acid?
	Neither of you.
	Really?
	It's weird.
	I don't know.
	I had a lot of visuals.
	I thought I was a vampire for a while.
	How long ago did you do this?
	Oh, God, when I was 2012.
	Last week.
	Long time ago.
	Yeah, right.
	When she was finishing up her book.
	That's right.
	I dropped acid.
	I think that would be a great artistic approach.
	Just at some point during whatever artistic endeavor it is that you're in the middle of, at some point, just drop some heavy-grade window pane.
	Oh, hell yeah.
	I did an art show one time, took acid before I did anything to get that thing together, and it was awesome.
	Redacted, I was being facetious.
	This is an anti-drug show.
	I'll thank you to take that sort of talk elsewhere.
	Thank you.
	It's amazing what you can get done.
	I'm just saying.
	I think you're right.
	I think you're right.
	How many things do we appreciate artistically that would never have come to fruition but for the existence and use of drugs?
	It's pretty plainly obvious.
	Why do I feel that way about some music?
	Like, I only like it if I'm in an altered state.
	Well, you know, I think we all had our fun in earlier years of our lives.
	Am I right?
	I would say yes.
	Onin, did you do you?
	I don't know to what extent you really care to talk about it.
	Nobody knows your real name or your address or anything here.
	I mean, did you ever experiment with drugs?
	Oh, heck yes.
	Really?
	I think I could see that.
	I mean, because you're laid back and you're just sort of like, you know, yeah, whatever, whatever.
	Go with the fire.
	I grew up in the late 60s, early 70s.
	Everything that was popular at the time, I did.
	Nice.
	That covers everything.
	Well, I want a little bit more detail.
	I was wanting to know about times where you may have required a sponge the next morning.
	Anything you'd like to talk about?
	No, you know, it's amazing.
	I've done a lot of things, but I've never, the only time I ever really lost complete control was the only time I ever did heroin.
	I didn't know about it.
	Somebody gave me a joint that was called Smacked Grass.
	They didn't tell me that at the time, but I took two hits and I fell back on the bed.
	Oh, my.
	And I woke up eight hours later.
	But other than that.
	What's the point of that?
	I don't know.
	Somebody thought it was a nice time.
	I was like, well, I got some sleep.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to go get some Zs like my grandma told me.
	You guys have fun.
	Yeah.
	But, you know, I had friends that said they did acid and they got naked and they did this and they never happened to me.
	I did acid a lot of times and I never lost control.
	Well, I lost some motor control occasionally, but I always had presence of mind.
	I always knew where I was.
	But well, Pony Boy, thanks for calling the show.
	Well, thanks for having me.
	Thanks for asking people to donate to the forum, but I would like to just directly intervene and tell people that that is horrible advice, and I would ask that they not do so.
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	Well, have a good day.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Good day.
	Keep your bad advice to yourself.
	You'll call some other talk show with bad advice.
	We'll have none of it.
	If you want to be on the show tonight, 623-242-CAST, 623-242-2278.
	This is the GabCast.
	It is a podcast about BellGab.com.
	Let's see.
	What did I have?
	What do you guys think about the website since the server move?
	Everything's real nice and snappy, right?
	Wow.
	Yeah, very quick.
	I like the quote you put up in the corner for a while.
	The side's so fast now I have to drink to slow it down.
	I thought that was funny.
	I don't choose the quotes, though.
	Oh.
	I don't know what's going to be up there from one moment to the next.
	But the person who chooses the quotes is asked not to be revealed, so I won't.
	I know who it is then.
	Who?
	You said no reveal.
	Well, yeah, I just will, but you can guess.
	Curtis.
	No, that's too obvious.
	Come on.
	I'm saying the shittiest guess you could have rendered.
	It's that or your wife.
	You may as well have just said it's you, right?
	It was me.
	I get to pick.
	No, it's not Curtis.
	I thought the top right quote picked itself.
	I will let everybody in on a little secret, though.
	Nominating a quote instantly disqualifies it.
	If you nominate a quote, it will not be up there.
	It will not wind up in the corner.
	That's just a little tip.
	I've never opened the curtain that far for anybody.
	This is a new paradigm here.
	Just do not nominate.
	If you want something to wind up there, if it's good enough, it'll wind up there.
	I'm sure.
	I trust the judgment of the person who does this.
	But if you nominate the quote, it's over.
	I'm just telling you.
	I haven't been up there in so long that I've just kind of thought I could never get up there again.
	Well, your contributions have been a bit lackluster.
	I actually feel that way, but go on.
	We all do.
	We've been talking about people are talking.
	People are talking.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	I'm just kidding.
	Your contributions are fine.
	You sound like you're visually hurt.
	Like if I could imagine you right now, you're leaned onto the table, your hands on your forehead.
	It was acting.
	Okay.
	Actually, I go to bed fine every night.
	Well, I'm very happy with the way this form is performing since the server move, and I'm really excited to see how it's going to handle the traffic whenever art starts broadcasting in July.
	It's going to start jumping in.
	What do you think your numbers are going to be?
	You think they'll be a lot higher than they were the last time?
	About the same, a little less.
	What do you think?
	There's no way to know.
	I know that, but that's not what I'm speculation.
	Well, we'll leave that in the hands of Jesus, Onan.
	I really just.
	You're not even going to speculate just a little bit.
	I do not.
	I don't want to stick my neck out.
	All right.
	I think it might be a little bit higher considering that there is no barrier to entry to listen to him this time.
	You know, that's a good point.
	Excellent point.
	Oh, the money I stand to make.
	Hi, let's take a phone caller.
	Hi, how are you?
	Hello?
	Oh, my God.
	We can hear ourselves.
	Turn your radio down.
	What the hell's going on over there?
	You be professional when you call this show.
	There.
	Is that better?
	I think it is.
	How are you?
	Is this Star Mountain 001?
	Yes, it is.
	Well, hi.
	You know, you've never called the show before, have you?
	No, I haven't.
	This is the first time.
	I get too nervous and I can't do it.
	Well, I hope you don't disappoint us because this is the call everybody's going to remember.
	Go.
	Oh, God.
	Not kidding.
	I'm just trying to.
	We're all going to.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	You're all right.
	I just want to back up what Pony Boy Sunset was saying, but you're honestly not taking donations or are you kidding us?
	Well, there's a button there, but I'd urge people not to click that.
	Okay, so that's for real.
	Because I was going to click it.
	Well, you can click it, but I mean, you'd be disobeying me.
	Oh, all right.
	Who am I to disobey?
	Well, you know.
	I used to donate, and then MV told me, I think, on three occasions, not to anymore.
	So I said, okay, fine, I won't.
	Now, Onan, come on, you're driving this home a little too realistically.
	You're going to start affecting the bottom line here.
	This is a business we're trying to run.
	Let me manage the sarcasm.
	My God.
	No, you're free to donate, and it's very much appreciated if you do so, but it's certainly not required or expected.
	Okay, I just wanted to make sure.
	But your posts won't be deleted if you donate.
	I will just, you know.
	Oh, thank you.
	We can't PM you anymore.
	That's probably because you get too many.
	You wouldn't believe the stuff I get.
	The big doozy that I used to get all the time is people sending me private messages to apologize for a tiff they got in with somebody on the forum.
	What?
	I'm sitting here with anal leakage as a result of a diet pill that I should never have tried.
	And you think I care about your private message because you told someone that you didn't like the highlights in their hair and they posted a picture of the woman in the bathtub from the shining and said it was you and then it went haywire from there.
	Come on.
	Let me give you MV's phone number so you can just call him.
	That would be more convenient, actually.
	At least phone calls I can kind of funnel and filter and manage to some degree.
	That's okay.
	If I want to get a hold of him instantly, I'll just hit what?
	Report?
	Now, see, there are things that I really wish callers wouldn't discuss on this show.
	Oh, never mind then.
	I didn't say that.
	My goodness.
	I tell you what, she's blowing the lid wide open on the donation thing.
	She's just that really sucks when people start sending me stuff through the report post.
	Like they realize they can't send private messages, so they start telling me to F myself through the reported post system.
	Well, I have another loophole that you can get in touch with MV.
	If you donate to him, MV is always very nice, and he always replies and says thank you.
	Then you've got his email address straight back.
	Oh, my.
	So you're the donating champ.
	Well, you just have to donate.
	I don't necessarily mind communicating with people via email because, first of all, we're talking about one user interface.
	Like, I don't have messages here and messages there and messages over there.
	It's just all in one place, the email inbox.
	That's a plus.
	And also, if somebody starts giving me grief, I can just hit the spam button and eventually I won't see their crap.
	So that's, I don't mind communicating by email with people, but through the PM system, it's just excruciating.
	Admin at bellgab.com.
	That is the email address.
	If you'd like to communicate, I really didn't want to phone in just to bring you grief.
	I probably wanted to make you laugh.
	Then you have failed miserably with your goals in this call.
	I need to go do penance.
	You have to realize that MV finds grief in everything anybody says.
	Beat me to it, Onan.
	It's interesting to hear how people perceive me.
	Okay.
	Speaking of Art Bell's show, once his show is up and running, are we going to have a chat thread while he's on?
	Do we come into this room?
	What do we do?
	Well, I think we all go to Redacted's house and just enjoy the contact high.
	What do you guys think?
	Oh, cool.
	Hey, everybody.
	Welcome.
	Come on, man.
	Well, there's going to be, if you go to Bell Gab and you look in the Art Bell board, you'll see the child board that says Midnight in the Desert.
	Aha!
	For each new, yeah, for each new show, you'll see a new thread show up in there.
	And you can look at some of those old threads from when Dark Matter was on SiriusXM.
	There's a thread there for each and every one of those shows.
	And it's really great because it's sort of like a record of what happened during the show, actually, that you can go back and refer to if for some reason you need to.
	You know, if you've got nothing to do and it's a Friday night and you just really want to know who that guest was or whatever.
	Well, usually they have something to do on Friday night.
	Well, that's where I think the juicy conversation is primarily going to be going down.
	Cool.
	Okay, I'm going to get going so somebody interesting can call in.
	Well, I think you're wonderful.
	Yeah, you were awesome.
	What are you doubting?
	I mean, I didn't personally like you, but everyone else seems pleased.
	So thank you.
	And no.
	Well, I've got to say, Star Mountain has always had very cute avatars.
	I mean, you've got to give her that.
	She's got adorable avatars all the time.
	You know, Star Mountain 001, you have been around for a long time, actually.
	I think I joined in 2011.
	Actually, I joined when it was the original GNF.
	Yeah, GeorgeNoriSucks.com.
	Yeah, I did.
	And when I went back to it the following week, it was gone.
	And it was Gabcast.
	So I joined right at that transition.
	You mean it was Coast Gab?
	Ghost Cab, yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, actually, the forum was offline for about three months when that all happened.
	Yeah.
	Let's see, because I just, I got sick of the whole thing and just threw my hands up.
	Let's see.
	When did Star Mountain 001 sign up?
	That would be February 2010.
	So yeah, five years.
	How about that?
	I thought it was March.
	February.
	Oh, February.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay, Star Mountain.
	Thank you.
	It was a pleasure.
	You did wonderfully on your first call, and hopefully you'll do so again.
	Oh, next time I'll have something to talk about.
	I'll make a list like you suggested.
	Well, that would be good because this was 17 Minutes of Boredom.
	This is a professional operation.
	We're trying to keep things clear.
	We do this by the numbers.
	I'm just joking.
	She was lovely.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Hi.
	How are you?
	Oh, my God.
	I think I know who this is.
	Is this Jasmine?
	No, that's not.
	What's your name?
	How old are you?
	Hey.
	Hey.
	I have the shiny.
	I think I know who this is, and I'm going to find out by asking a test question.
	Do you want to give us a flower?
	Do you have a flower?
	Yeah, I know who this is.
	Okay, can you give us your best This is White Crow?
	Repeat after me.
	This is white crow.
	I'm so sure I'm impressed with the skill set here.
	It's Elkie.
	It's Alpha.
	I think I know who it is, but I don't want to reveal it.
	But it might be a little beautiful little hippie child that I met that gave me a flower, and everyone else that was there was totally adorable and then promptly fell off the deck.
	I'm trying to watch it.
	That sounded like a series of EVPs.
	It's cold in here.
	There's no heaven.
	It's all hell.
	It's dark in here.
	Satan keeps poking me.
	I don't have a flower.
	Yeah, if you want to be on the show, the number to call 623-242-CAST, 623-242-CAST.
	Who was that?
	Can you say?
	I don't know because I haven't seen any clue on that call or in the chat room that it's okay to reveal who that is, but I'm pretty sure I know who it is.
	I recognize that little voice.
	Was that Evelyn?
	Maybe.
	From Calling from the Past.
	You guys have a surprise guest on the line?
	Bring it.
	Do you want to take a stab at who it might be?
	What, brother?
	Art Bell.
	That's a good guess.
	Madman Markham.
	That's a really good guess.
	Oh, my.
	No way.
	You're going to make me pass out right now?
	Are you serious?
	On the line, on the line, is Madman Markham.
	Madman.
	Hey, guys.
	What's up?
	How you doing?
	One of my friends told me that I should call you guys.
	Fairless.
	Now, Madman, are you helping your mom with the shopping?
	Hell no.
	She's dead.
	She died three years ago.
	How'd she die?
	It was a lightning accident.
	Lightning accident?
	He's hit by Latin.
	It wasn't because of you and one of your experiments?
	Well, possibly.
	It's all the same.
	I mean.
	But they're not investigating me anymore, so it should be okay.
	It's all that matters.
	That's really all it comes down to.
	Whether or not you're being actively investigated.
	Once you're not, it's Katie Bar the door.
	It's Eddie Dean, everybody.
	This is white crow.
	Is that the thing to do now?
	Is to call up and say, this is white crow.
	But you've got to be more glottled.
	This was white crow.
	This was white crow.
	You know what?
	I got to say, that's passing.
	That's passing where I come from.
	How's it going, guys?
	Good to hear you, man.
	It is good to hear you.
	Someone told me that you had the clap.
	I feel much better now.
	Well, we were all wondering what happened, and that sounded as plausible to me as anything.
	Well, just put it this way: don't have sex with your fellow bell gabbers or who has the clap.
	Just people on the internet in general.
	They all go under the same category.
	Yes.
	Perhaps Bell Gabbers being an even less trustworthy subset thereof, but yeah.
	They really are.
	They're just a bunch of dirty human beings.
	So is there ever going to be a point in the future at which you return to the Gabcast as one of the hosts?
	I don't know.
	I guess it's possible.
	Well, we really don't want it, but we are curious as to what your intentions might be, just so that we can plan to avoid it.
	Get your ass back here.
	Well, I really didn't know I was going to be put on the spot tonight, but yeah, I guess that's possible.
	Well, I think you should.
	I think there are people.
	I mean, no one mentioned missing you, but I assume somebody misses you.
	Someone out there somewhere misses you.
	You guys, you did a great thing.
	You kept this show going for a year.
	It would definitely have just gone away had it not been for you.
	And you were the only person on the forum who could have pulled that off.
	Really?
	There you go.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Thank you.
	I think there's maybe one or two people that could pull it out.
	I think the general does a really good job on his show.
	Well, I mean, not only from the perspective of being able to host it, but also technically being able to pull it off and make it all work.
	Technically, yeah.
	I mean, that's kind of my bread and butter.
	But me being the host, I don't think I did a very stellar job in that regard.
	But I appreciate the.
	Well, you could have done better.
	That's true.
	But you pushed the correct buttons and people did hear audio.
	Right.
	Sometimes we were disappointed, but sometimes we weren't.
	Sound was emitting from people's speakers, and there were words coming out of the speakers as people listened.
	There was a show, but the content was crap.
	There was a broadcast.
	That's as much as we're going to say.
	There was a show.
	It was great.
	And I don't know how actively I've ever thanked you for that, but that was a nice thing that you did.
	I think this is really the first time.
	Is it really?
	Yeah, I believe so.
	And I also miss being yelled at to mute my mic when I'm not talking.
	Yeah, I'm just.
	Well, I mean, being an audio engineer, I get very butt hurt when I'm hearing ambient noise and people pounding on the desk and while it's flushing and things like that.
	But I mean, it's not personal.
	B-Dub was the biggest perpetrator of all of that, all of the above.
	This is my impression of beta.
	Stop.
	Well, I don't know.
	I think we all had our moments with extraneous noise.
	But I mean, I have a mute button right in front of me on my mixer.
	I mean, I have the advantage compared to somebody else that just has a USB microphone that really doesn't have a mute button or they have to mute their mumble.
	I don't know what you guys are using to connect the host now, but I just have a button under my finger that I can push.
	But I mean, I really didn't call to talk about my muting capabilities, but I wanted to call and see what you guys thought of how many people are actually going to be listening to art when he comes back.
	He said that he has 70,000 spots, or that's what he's planning for.
	But I mean, I hope it gets to that point, but I really don't see that many people listening to him to start off.
	I think he really is going to have to build it, is what I'm saying.
	I wanted to get your opinion on that.
	I see it building up over time, starting out small, but gradually getting up to that cap.
	And hopefully, he can leave the small broadcaster title and move into big broadcaster.
	I think he hits 70,000 pretty quick.
	Think so, huh?
	I do.
	Yeah.
	You're always the pest.
	I can't believe you're saying that.
	Well, I'm trying to countercast here.
	Being the biggest podcast is horrible.
	Is there any way we'll be able to find out what the numbers are?
	That's a good question.
	I've been wondering that myself.
	If we can't get out of the stream, 70,000.
	Well, remember with the Dark Matter Radio Network, someone had this link where they could see how many listeners were listening at one time.
	Would we be able to find out through that type of method?
	I think so.
	I think that's public information, a Shoutcast or IceCast.
	What's the other one?
	IceCast?
	I think it's public information that you can find out what the active number of listeners are.
	Well, for instance, right now, this show is using the Shoutcast system.
	And I just posted a URL in the, well, actually, it's just an address in the chat room here.
	And if you click that, you can see the Shoutcast server statistics.
	It'll tell you how many people are listening right now.
	It'll tell you what the server has peaked at.
	It'll tell you what the average listen time is.
	It pretty much tells you everything.
	So if they are using Shoutcast, then you will be able to publicly view this information.
	As to whether they're going to do that or not, I don't know.
	But I'm kind of expecting out of the gate, out of the gate, I'm going to say probably 10,000 to 15,000 listeners.
	That sounds reasonable.
	Because, I mean, he has a better opportunity to have more listeners because the show is going to be free, but, you know, as opposed to what he did with Dark Matter.
	But I don't know.
	I guess I'm just being pessimistic to think that maybe 10,000, 15,000, 20,000 people to start, and he's really going to have to build it up.
	Because if you think that he's going to get a bunch of callers, what's the statistic that 1% of people who listen actually call, or maybe it's even a half a percent?
	Yeah, I think it's less than one.
	So you've got 10,000 listeners, you've got less than 100 people who might attempt to call, which I guess over the course of a two or three hour show is a respectable number of callers for sure.
	If they're not all bell gabbers, well, there's going to be a lot of that.
	I hope that doesn't start to annoy Art as time goes by.
	Why?
	Why?
	Belgab's a lot of small size.
	Come to get it from.
	But it might give him the feeling that his audience is smaller than it actually is.
	Right.
	But he'll know what his numbers are.
	Well, that's true.
	I don't want any of you to mention Belgab on Art's show.
	And if you donate, I'm going to warm up the pickup truck.
	I think that this 70,000 listener cap that they're going to be stuck with is fine.
	Because if you get up to 70,000, all I really think matters is Art needs to feel like he is being heard by a live audience as he's doing the show because that's going to affect his mindset as he's doing the show.
	It's going to affect the caller base.
	It's going to affect everything about how that show sounds as you listen to it.
	So the only thing that matters is that he has an audience large enough to feel as though he is broadcasting to a shit ton of people.
	70,000 people actively listening.
	Okay, maybe you've got 70,000 connected.
	60,000 are actively listening.
	That is a lot of active participation in what it is that you're doing that moment.
	And that's going to be a great caller base.
	And in addition to that, everyone knows just as well as I do that if that caps out and people aren't able to connect, you're going to see people setting up relay streams everywhere.
	There will be no problem hearing the show, even if that cap is reached.
	So, I mean, Art thought it was some sort of a bit of bad news to have to drop in people's laps, but I don't think that was bad news at all.
	Awesome.
	70,000.
	Holy shit.
	Rock on.
	That's going to be totally enough.
	But even with dumb terrestrial radio, how many people listen to the whole show?
	That's not even this.
	We're talking simultaneous listeners.
	Not QM, which is the number over the course of 15-minute increments.
	And he's going to get more downloads than he's going to get live listeners anyway.
	I mean, don't for podcasts, don't you typically get two or three or four times more downloads of the podcast than you have live listeners, at least for the gabcast.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think it's more than that for the gab cast.
	Yeah, well, I don't know.
	I don't know what the numbers are.
	Well, you know what?
	Get it right.
	I don't want our numbers being artificially deflated, okay?
	Go ahead.
	There's a huge delay between me and you, Eddie.
	Is there?
	Yeah, I can actually hear myself in your headphones, and I'm significantly delayed.
	But I don't think I'm delayed with everybody else.
	Can you still hear yourself in your headphones?
	Yeah.
	But it's very light.
	It's just, I mean, if you know, it's just enough for me to detect it.
	But I think I had the stream on, so I think that's why you were hearing the delay.
	You shouldn't hear it now.
	Hello, hello.
	Well, I'm going home.
	I'm Michael Van Daven.
	Everybody, have a good one.
	Glad I stopped the show, guys.
	Well, so was that pretty much what you called in to talk about?
	Was just the shout cast numbers for art?
	Is there anything else you'd like to dump on us?
	What about the AAC, the AAC enhanced or AAC?
	Oh, yeah, thank you.
	Yes.
	I think that's a huge problem for him.
	I don't know.
	I think that he should do MP3 because it's more ubiquitous.
	Yes.
	AAC might be good for the tune-in, which, by the way, I hate the tune-in app.
	Oh, it sucks.
	It's so slow.
	It's just a bloated piece of shit that's always wanting access and always updating and downloading, even when you're not listening to it.
	But it is more user-friendly, I guess, than a lot of the others.
	As I think we all concluded at the beginning of the show today, it needs to be stupid simple.
	You need to be able to go to artbell.com, click play, and an embedded player delivers the show to you right there.
	End of story.
	Yeah.
	There shouldn't be any third-party anything.
	We shouldn't even be hearing the word tune-in.
	None of that stuff.
	Why is he even talking about doing AAC?
	Is it because the quality is better?
	Yes.
	To similarly save bandwidth and still deliver.
	Well, he's not going to save bandwidth, though, because they're talking about doing an AAC Plus stream and an MP3 stream, both at the same bit rate.
	So, what's the point?
	What's the bitrate?
	48?
	Yeah.
	48.
	48.
	Well, then he's defeating the purpose.
	I've just, that's what he said.
	That's all.
	I know.
	Why it's talk?
	Does he want this amazing quality for that 30, 15 seconds of music that he plays?
	I mean, someone pointed out that this show in its downloaded form is encoded at 128 kilobits per second stereo, which is stupid and which is pointless.
	The last episode I actually uploaded at 64K mono, but that's because you can't hear a difference between 64 and 128 if you go from stereo to mono because you essentially have half the data that's required in order to.
	I actually thought that the last show sounded like shit.
	I'm not talking about the content.
	Curtis didn't.
	Curtis recorded it and it sounded uber compressed to me.
	Yeah.
	It was just extremely compressed.
	I don't know what was going on.
	I did listen to last week and it sounded like on the stream, it sounded like everybody was talking through like a telephone.
	The frequencies were getting cut on the low and the high end and it sounded like everybody was talking on television.
	Here we go.
	Itty eddy with the sound.
	I know I'm sick that way, man.
	I agree.
	So, Eddie, I think that you and I are on the same page, that art needs just to provide.
	I suggested 32K mono MP3 because for talk, that is entirely adequate.
	And he needs to remember how we all found him.
	We all found him on AM radio.
	And 32K Mono MP3 sounds way better than.
	Here's the comparison.
	I'm going to go ahead and play this here.
	This is the comparison that I posted on the forum.
	Now, here is 32 kilobit per second MP3 audio, and I used music just to tax the codec as much as possible and make it work as hard as I could to really reveal its imperfections.
	This is stereo music, 32K MP3, and then I'll play mono after this.
	Now, that sounds like shit, doesn't it?
	That sounds horrible.
	Now here's the difference.
	Keep in mind how that sounded.
	Here's the difference simply by dropping to mono.
	Now, while it's not a sonic experience, it's totally adequate for voice.
	If...
	If this song sounds like that, with all the dynamic range that's required to reproduce music, if you were just reproducing voice, 32k mono mp3 is going to be more than plenty, I think.
	And again, as I say, we all found art on AM radio.
	That's how we're used to hearing him.
	And I was actually with Sirius XM, I at times found the audio fidelity almost jarring.
	It's like it took me out of the show sometimes.
	I just wasn't used to hearing it that way.
	But as you said, MP3 is ubiquitous.
	Everything is going to play it.
	The Sirius show was, it sounded great, but you guys remember when he was doing like a test to test out if it was in stereo?
	And I even put my headphones on and listened to it.
	And I don't think I actually heard the show in stereo.
	You guys remember that when he did the test with a song or something?
	Or am I thinking about me?
	I remember that.
	I remember that.
	What was the test?
	I think he played a song that had like extreme right left panning, and he played it.
	And I think during the song, it pans from right to left or something.
	And he was doing that to demonstrate the stereo.
	But I couldn't hear it in stereo.
	All I heard was mono.
	I think he played this.
	Because that's like the most extremely right-left channel-separated song.
	Yeah, it's really wide.
	Yeah.
	I think that's what he played, if I recall correctly.
	But for a talk show, there's just no reason for anything to be in stereo.
	I think Art's taken by the novelty of 32K AAC Plus, just the novelty of it sounding so good.
	But it's a far more proprietary codec.
	There's a lot of stuff that won't play AEC Plus.
	It's just not a good idea.
	What I've read with that is you have to make sure that your codec is updated all the time, and it's one of the best that you can find as well.
	As far as when he encodes it while he's streaming.
	Grandma is not going to understand codec.
	It's going to be more of a headache for him and Keith in turn, Keith, with the people emailing saying they can't hear the stream, can't find the stream, can't whatever.
	It's going to be more of a headache for him.
	Because we understand Kodak and what that means to have it updated, but a lot of people don't.
	And I can imagine that that would cause more problems than it's worth.
	What's he offering for the download?
	Sorry, go ahead.
	I'm sorry.
	What's he offering for the download?
	Is he doing MP3 at 48 in stereo?
	I don't know.
	The podcast download.
	Anybody know?
	I don't think he's mentioned it yet.
	I don't think it's been talked about.
	But that's not going to contain any music.
	So anything above.
	Yeah, I mean, anything above 64K mono for talk is just going to be insane.
	Yeah, he doesn't even have to do the podcast in stereo.
	It's just going to be talk.
	I mean, someone mentioned, hey, well, even our own Gabcast and the spec sheet, look at their, they're publishing their shows at 128K.
	Well, yeah, we were, but when you have 11 listeners, you can do that.
	You can be wasteful and sloppy.
	But when you're serving a show to tens of thousands of people, potentially, maybe more, you've got to, I mean, the jump from 32K to 48, wow, that's a significant difference.
	What are we talking about?
	A 33% increase in bandwidth?
	yeah so that's i think he just wants to to sound the best it possibly can and also get as many you know listener slots as possible and i mean it's it's it's going to be a huge task I don't envy him or Keith trying to figure this out.
	I am also expecting that there's going to be a couple nights, maybe during the first week, or maybe an hour or maybe even an entire show where he has to call it off because of technical issues.
	I just hope they test this over and over again, maybe even do a test show at the end or the beginning of July just to work out all these bugs.
	Eddie, I seem to recall you doing a show once from under your desk trying to fiddle around with some wires.
	Do you imagine that art's going to have the same problem?
	Yeah.
	That's dedication.
	That's why we miss you.
	I wonder if Art's going to have an engineer there, or is he going to try to take care of all that himself?
	He'll do it himself.
	Yeah, he's always done it himself.
	Yeah.
	Well, we'll see what happens.
	I just hope that there aren't technical difficulties and hurdles that have to be overcome to the point where Art gets frustrated with the whole thing and says of it.
	That's my concern.
	That's my concern, too.
	Yeah.
	And this ADC thing does not move us away from that direction.
	Also, want to mention that I love Curtis, and I didn't mean to put down what he did last week or two weeks ago on the show.
	No, we understood what you said, and I'll talk to Curtis about your words.
	I mean, you know, dick.
	That's all right.
	I didn't listen to the whole show.
	What I heard of the show seemed tolerable, but I can't stand to listen to myself anyway, let alone when I'm talking into a $12 headset that we ordered from China on eBay.
	Oh, my God.
	This is really bad.
	It was fine.
	It was fine.
	Just being an audiophile.
	That's all.
	All right, Eddie.
	Well, I'm glad to hear from you, and I hope you'll start poking your head in more.
	I might do that.
	I miss you guys.
	Well, you don't really sound entirely sincere there, but we'll see what happens.
	All right, guys.
	Don't keep it.
	See ya.
	Don't be a stranger.
	That's Eddie Dean.
	Yeah, it's weird that he doesn't post in the forum at all, but he calls our show.
	It's just like he skipped everything and just dove right in.
	Really weird.
	But good to hear from him.
	I'm glad he's okay.
	I was starting to wonder if he was like physically okay.
	Yeah, I miss the guy as much as a heterosexual sexual man can miss a closeted gay man.
	What were you just saying?
	What in the hell did you just say?
	I said, the heterosexual man can be a closeted gay man.
	I'm sitting here doodling on a piece of paper, just hearing words, words.
	What did that man just say into my headset?
	If you want to be on the show, the number to call is going to be 623242 CAST.
	It is 623242 CAST if you'd like to be on the show.
	I was hoping that Falke would call in tonight because I wanted to talk with him a little bit about his upcoming interview.
	I guess you could call it an interview that he's going to do with George Norrie at some conference coming up, I guess, later this week as we approach the end of the week.
	It's some three-day conference where they get a bunch of shysters together who all talk to you about healing cancer by hovering your hands over somebody or some such nonsense.
	And George Nori is the headline speaker.
	And Belgab's own Falke2013 is going to travel to this conference on George Nori's dime.
	Apparently, he's going to illegally drive his car, so he says, yes, to this conference.
	Which we don't condone, by the way.
	I think he should do it.
	I think you should just do it.
	Throw caution to the wind.
	Who gives a shit that you're not driving legally?
	Stop being such a pussy and just do it.
	It's a interview.
	Come on.
	Go all out.
	What happens in the States if you're caught driving without a license?
	Is it just a fine?
	They take your car.
	Now, is that a well, now, is that driving with a suspended license or just driving without a license?
	Either way, they take your car.
	Really?
	Yes.
	That's hard to go.
	Yeah, his license by his report is suspended.
	Oh, wow.
	I would think he would go to jail.
	You might.
	You might.
	Depends how pissed off the cop is.
	And if you show up with any toot, give the cop any little shred of attitude and he'll make your day suck worse.
	When that cop looks into that passenger seat and sees Kathy's ground beef bruised face, he's not going to be feeling a lot of sympathy.
	I think Falke might not be long for this world if that were to happen.
	And Paul Falki's going to step up and go, nope, let me do the talking here.
	We're driving down to a George Norrie interview.
	That's it.
	It's all over.
	Officer, I'm going to see George Norrie.
	There's a bunch of trolls on Belgab that said you'd take me to jail today.
	I don't think you're going to do it.
	Well, I wanted him to come on the show and talk about, talk about his upcoming interview.
	And I was legitimately wanting to talk to him about it because what I don't understand are people on the forum telling him, ah, this is why no one cares about your interview with George Nori.
	Nobody wants to see it.
	What have we become?
	Have we become that jaded?
	Have we become that disconnected and just disenchanted with the entire thing here?
	I mean, if this were three or four years ago and a Bellgab user were about to have an interview with George Norrie, everybody would be shitting themselves.
	What's happened to us?
	I mean, what type of interview?
	I haven't read much of it, but what type of interview is it?
	Is it a sit-down in a private setting or is it him going up to him with his iPad and saying, George, can you answer a few questions while he's busy signing some t-shirts?
	Well, let me rephrase this.
	Like, is that an interview?
	If three or four years ago, a Bellgab user said, I'm going to have the opportunity to stand in front of George Nori with an audio video recording device and freely speak to him, whatever the context, everybody would have been just, you know, really giddy and jazzed up to see that.
	It's great.
	But now here we are in 2015.
	Art Bell's posting on the forum.
	George Norrie and Art Bell are even arguing with each other directly on the forum.
	Everyone is just taking so much for granted now that everyone's just so dismissive of the whole thing.
	I found that remarkable.
	I don't think that's quite it.
	But I think if a lot of people said they were going to have an interview with Nouri, there would be some interest.
	And perhaps I'm wrong there, but I think that the baggage that comes along with Falki makes it, you know.
	Doesn't that make it all the more potentially entertaining?
	That Falky baggage.
	And here's the deal.
	You know, I make no bones that I really don't like the guy, but I think he's being played.
	And I in what way?
	Like, you don't think he's going to give him the interview?
	I think that's a potential.
	Yeah, and I don't know what that'll do to Falki if things fall flat for him.
	And I'm not his protector, but I think a lot of people are building him up.
	And quite honestly, where he's at in his life and his station, frustration is a tough thing to deal with when you got things going for you.
	And I don't see a lot of that in Falki, so I'm a bit concerned.
	George, I can see doing that to someone, but he would do it in a way that would say, oh, we just ran out of time type of thing.
	You know, probably never having the, you know, he was never going to give him the interview, just say, but instead of, you know, saying, sucker, he'd just say, oh, sorry, we just ran out of time.
	We'll do it another time.
	I think it's possible.
	I also think that Norrie will give him an interview.
	I just don't think it'll be a very interesting interview.
	I think there's no, you guys know George's MO as well as I do.
	And I think in anything he does, he's going to make sure that he can walk away from it with people viewing him as, wow, what a nice guy.
	Smelling like roses.
	What a nice guy.
	Right, right.
	He's going to pull it out.
	That's why I think Falki's going to get his interview, and he's going to get it for as long as he wants it.
	You really think so?
	Oh, yes.
	Because George Norrie is not going to walk away from a situation, allowing people to say, wow, he was a dick to that guy.
	Because that's an opportunity in his mind to turn people around, to turn Falke himself around.
	One of his biggest detractors online.
	Here he is standing two feet in front of you with an iPad in your face.
	That's the most remarkable thing about the whole thing.
	I haven't watched the Faulky video in a long time, but he used to really let George have it.
	Like, really have it.
	He was, you know, and all of a sudden these interviews come up, and George has turned his biggest hater into his number one fan.
	George is buying his glasses.
	He's paying his freight to get to Sacramento or wherever the hell this Charlatan conference is.
	It's really something.
	Let's take another call.
	We're going to have to end the show in about four minutes.
	So I hope this isn't Falky.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	No, it's not Falky.
	Okay.
	What's going on, man?
	Hey.
	Oh, my God.
	That thread is such a shit show.
	Every time I click on that thread, I'm reminded why I usually avoid it.
	And it's split between the Falky supporters, and I say supporters in quotes.
	They're not really supporting.
	Every one of them is trolling off.
	Of course.
	And then you've got the people on the other side who are either just trashing him up and down or they're trying to give him legitimate advice and telling him, no, Faulky, this is actually what's happening here.
	And of course, it falls on deaf ears, but I can't believe I'm going to say this about George Norrie.
	George is not going to allow somebody else to make a fool of him.
	He's perfectly capable of doing it on his own, but he's not going to allow somebody else to do that to him.
	So he's not going to answer.
	He's not going to answer certain questions.
	He's going to tell Falky beforehand, I don't want to go here.
	I don't want to go there.
	And all he had to do, and he did this with Jimmy Church, he tried to do it with me too.
	He tried to turn a detractor into a supporter by cozying up to them and trying to make it out like he's going to be able to do it.
	Dang all a carrot in front of their face.
	That's exactly what it is.
	Yeah.
	Falky hasn't said anything negative about Nori in I don't know how long.
	Yeah.
	That's been Norrie's MO with this forum and other forums before that.
	He does do a good job of splitting the people in a forum, and I think this is just one of his ways of doing that.
	He failed miserably with Bell Gab.
	He did.
	But, you know, he's trying again.
	He really tried, though.
	But you see, it's that old, like, look at some of the stuff that people are getting away with saying in the Art Bell thread to Art Bell and about Art Bell.
	There's, I mean, if that kind of stuff isn't removed by some overbearing moderator, then I don't really know what George could, because it really comes down to what can George get a moderator to do.
	Good point.
	And that's what brought down every one of those forums, the Fantastic Forum, all of them.
	I think there were a couple others.
	George turned on the sweet sauce, and whoever was moderating the forum was so taken by the notion of this fancy pants radio host posting on their forum.
	Oh, my God.
	Everybody, let's cool it.
	He's going to make us all stars.
	Yeah.
	So it's all about.
	That's what it is.
	That's what it is.
	Faulkey seems to think that this is going to be his ticket to fame and fortune.
	I'm sure George is pushing that notion along.
	Here's the deal.
	If you want fame and fortune, you need to invest 10,000 hours of work before you even think about being a star.
	And Falky's trying to cut that, and it's not going to happen.
	Sorry.
	Hasn't George offered him a place on his new TV show?
	Yeah, what's up with that?
	Yeah, Skype call, apparently.
	What's with this name?
	I mean, how many internet TV shows does one man need?
	No, it's a network show, according to Falky.
	Oh.
	Where's the where is independent confirmation of this?
	Have we heard this only from Falke?
	Maybe not.
	Yeah, I believe so.
	Yeah, I believe so.
	That's where it came from.
	Let's say there is a network show and they do have some interest in Norrie because he's done it a couple of times before.
	Can you imagine any set of producers sitting here and going like Falki?
	Yeah, there's a good idea for the show.
	I mean, it's just not going to happen.
	Can you imagine like a set that a network spends tens of thousands of dollars assembling only to have some pixelated Skype window with some guy sitting in front of what looks like a hoarded apartment?
	Yeah, that's not what networks do.
	Squinting into the camera.
	It might work so take it with a grain of salt.
	But he said that the producers saw his videos and liked them.
	They liked his video work was the quote.
	Video work.
	Yeah, my brain quit working when I read that.
	Jasmine, I'll just have you know, I don't know what happened to you over there on the other side of the world, but I read that and it just shit just stopped in my brain.
	I dropped my shit.
	I had to go outside.
	It broke the internet.
	Hey, it did.
	It broke the internet over here.
	I couldn't believe that shit when I read it.
	You mean some producer that actually makes entertainment and TV shows saw your bullshit and said, oh, yeah, we got to have some of this, man.
	Call that guy.
	That's why I think this might be a prank or something.
	Not even just call that guy as far as Falke, but George himself.
	I mean, look at that guy on TV show he does.
	This guy does not do this.
	This guy's presence is not conducive to doing a TV show.
	He looks awkward.
	He looks uncomfortable in his own skin.
	He's hunched over this desk like just some lumbering dude who might be one of the extras.
	Oh, no, he's the guy.
	The cameras are okay.
	He is the guy.
	All right, well, honey, let's sit down and watch.
	Shit, I thought that was the concession, man.
	No, he's the host, honey.
	Sit down and watch the show.
	Somebody said recently what really unnerves them about Nori's appearance.
	They were finally able to put their finger on it.
	He looks like somebody who works at a funeral home.
	I read that.
	And you know why?
	That's that's that Paul McCartney effect where a guy who is of advanced years and has no business having jet black hair like that continues dying his hair.
	And at some point, it starts to look really awkward and creepy.
	I mean, just allow yourself to look your age at some point.
	I mean, there are some older dudes who pull that off, but I'm sorry.
	I mean, I know what an old, I know what a 64-year-old Lebanese man should look like, Mr. Norrie.
	And have you seen the pictures that he's taken of himself on his off time?
	He's wearing like he's literally wearing like affliction t-shirts and like these goofy sunglasses.
	He thinks he's like this swinging, swinging socialite.
	You know, I just realized that I've got the music potted down, but in Bateman's ears, because of the sound card he's on, it's full blasted.
	Yeah, it's really loud.
	I gotta run.
	I'll see you later.
	Okay, everybody.
	Okay, thanks, Bateman.
	That was Bateman calling in, and that's gonna wrap the show.
	It's been a fun episode.
	I enjoyed being a part of it.
	I hope you guys did as well.
	It was fun.
	Okay, well, let's all calm ourselves down.
	I don't want to.
	I don't need anybody busting a gasket on the show.
	Good grief.
	There's no medical plan associated with participating as a host on this show.
	I'm Mem V. Jasmunda.
	Thank you, sir.
	Redacted, thank you, ma'am.
	Onin, thank you, sir.
	And also, I'd like to thank Tommy Danheiser, Lisa Lyon, and Mike Seger.
	Mike Seeger, thank you, sir.
	Good to see Eddie here.
	Yeah, Eddie Dean.
	Glad you called in.
	Thanks for calling, Bateman.
	Thank you, Star Mountain001.
	And to someone's kid who called and frightened me.
	I swear to God, I thought I was hearing mausoleum EVPs.
	I was frightened.
	I was cold.
	I was shaken.
	And I turned on a few lights as that call was coming in.
	I will say I grasped my Bible.
	That's it.
	This is the Gabcast.
	You guys have a good night.
	We'll see you at bellgab.com.
	Thank you for listening.
	Bye-bye.
	You've been listening to The Gabcast, a podcast about BellGab.com.

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