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09 April, 2015

09 April, 2015 ---------- Here is the latest episode of The GabCast. Sorry it took so long to post. There were a lot of distractions causing the delay.

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	Welcome, everybody.
	You are listening to a very special edition of the Gab Cast.
	I've got Michael here, Redacted, Onin, and Jasmunda.
	How is everybody?
	Hi.
	How's it going?
	Hey.
	This is White Crow.
	Hey, White Crow.
	This is White Crow.
	That's classified information.
	Sorry.
	It has been redacted for your safety.
	Good.
	So a lot of stuff has been going on in the art world.
	I figured we could just jump right into it, and hopefully we have some strong opinions and some insight to share.
	Wait, is this a show about art or about art?
	This is a show about the art of art.
	I want to talk about Impressionist paintings tonight.
	That's what I thought could have said.
	Yeah.
	Who would you put on your Mount Rushmore of Impressionist Artists?
	Well, I'm going to go with Norman Rockwale.
	So you're not a Thomas Kincaid person.
	That's who I was thinking for you.
	That there's probably a lot of paintings of light throughout your house.
	I'm going to go with Norman Rockwell, or I could also go with Here's the Broad from, oh, God.
	You know what happens when you work all day and then you try to do a radio show, your brain doesn't work?
	Or I'd go with Gray Slick.
	One of those two.
	Well, you've already way outclassed me in the art category.
	Well, Gray Slick of Jefferson Airplane, you know, she's an accomplished painter.
	Oh, really?
	I did not know that.
	But not an Impressionist era painter, though.
	So there is that problem.
	I was going to say, I think she means house painting, but I could be wrong.
	Have you seen what Gray Slick looks like now in 2015?
	Time is such a bitch.
	Time is just a bitch.
	It's the one thing that you can't beat.
	I feel like no one listening to this show right now knows who Gray Slick is, with the exception of Onin and Redacted.
	You've got me.
	If there was a lineup and Gray Slick was in it, I would not be able to pick them out.
	I think Curtis is even referring to this person as Gray Slick.
	Is that what you said?
	He thinks it's like an Exxon oil spill we're referring to.
	I thought that's what happened.
	Is that not what happened in the Gulf a couple years ago?
	There was a Jefferson airplane release in the Gulf and it killed a lot of fish.
	It's been a sad thing.
	The fish have been seeing pink elephants for about three years now.
	Do they all have long hair now?
	Okay.
	I guess I should give our phone number since I'm so good at this, trying to be the person to be the nexus of all things cast.
	Give us a call tonight on Skype or on your landline if you're out in a field, preferably.
	That would be at 623-242 CAST.
	Give us a call there and we'll love to hear your opinions on anything Art Bell or Bellgab.com related tonight.
	And by the way, I want to apologize to everybody for all my background noise for my $12 headset that I'm using tonight.
	I'm at home sitting on my lazy boy.
	I have a lazy boy.
	Like it's 1977.
	Wait, is it specifically a lazy boy or is it a knockoff?
	I don't know what it's a big brown puffy chair that I own.
	He's talking about a kid that has no motivation.
	Well, that was a little racial for my taste there, Onan.
	I don't know if I like that kind of humor.
	It has more gender than you do.
	You do.
	You know you do.
	Well, I said it was a big brown lazy boy.
	So then let's see.
	I like to think of us as a post-racial reclining society.
	With the exception of Onan.
	That's a little bit of a problem.
	It's a niche he feels well for us.
	So anyway, I haven't looked at the Art Bell thread in a while.
	Where do we stand as far as Art's apparent supposed return in July?
	Has any new information?
	A lot of new informations come to light, man.
	It might not be just such a simple, you know?
	I find the wild ride we've been on the last few weeks since our last show is so confusing.
	I don't even know where we're at right now, but I know we've been in a lot of places with being frustrated with contracts, maybe being close to having something done, chief negotiator number one, taking over things.
	It's a very confusing situation.
	I think we're in a positive standby mode.
	I guess, yeah, I would like to, that's a good way to start with things.
	Is it positive, negative?
	Where are we?
	Well, it depends whether you're the half, the glass is half full or half empty type of person because I don't see us in a positive standby mode.
	I see us in a negative nosedive mode at the moment.
	Well, let's start going around.
	Where do you guys think?
	Positive or negative?
	Start with Onan.
	You said positive.
	Well, I think his last statement was something along the lines of, there's still hope.
	And, you know, I'm waiting for them.
	And Keith came back with another positive comment on the contract.
	So I'm thinking that maybe slightly could be.
	Okay, Jazz, how do you feel?
	I don't know.
	I get the impression that there seems to be one sticking point.
	And to me, it seems as if it's definitely got something to do with who's liable if the music industry comes after art.
	Is it the big player who's going to take the fall, or is it art?
	Art seems to be worried that his fortune that he's amassed is going to be, once he's gone, is going to be dwindled as a direct result of something that happens here.
	And he wants to make sure that he's not the one that bears the brunt of all that.
	You feel like that's the sticking point is.
	Well, that's the sticking point.
	If they can't assure him that he's not liable to be sued, then he's out.
	Okay, so you put that out of there.
	We already know he's out if he can't have music, so.
	So if he can't be covered, be assured that he's covered.
	He's out.
	Nobody is bulletproof.
	Well, I don't think that they can make him those promises.
	So that's why I'm negative on the whole situation.
	How about Redacted?
	How do you feel?
	Well, there was a close moment there where he said something like he was getting really sick of waiting and he almost wanted to throw his hands up.
	But if he did, he would let us know.
	And oh my God, I had to take a break.
	I had to take a break from it because the up and down is just, it's, I never thought in my life I'd ever say this, but it's stressing me out, man.
	Well, let it out.
	That's what tonight's for.
	Well, it goes back and forth.
	It goes back and forth.
	And now I think we're on sort of upswing of he's still waiting for the contract to come back to see if it has any sticking points that he doesn't like.
	So at least he hasn't given up yet.
	So to me, I call that on the positive side.
	Okay.
	That's two positives, one negative.
	Michael, where do you feel?
	Well, I think at the end of it all, it's going to happen.
	I think that one way or the other, I just have that feeling.
	It's just, I can't really articulate beyond that why I feel that way, but I just have that feeling that it's going to work out.
	The last thing Art said seems to have been a positive comment with regard to the contract that was sent back to Keith, or whatever the terms of the contract, the bullet points of the contract would be that were sent back to Keith.
	And I guess apparently that's being reworked into an entirely new contract.
	Hopefully by the time it makes its way back to art, things haven't been remodified or added to in such a way that it once again makes it unpalatable.
	But I really do think it's going to happen.
	Doesn't that kind of at least mildly bother people?
	I mean, which aspect?
	I don't know what Keith's resume is, but why is he the one handling the contract?
	That's real.
	I really can't even begin to answer that question.
	And the negotiations.
	Yeah, let's look at it.
	This is a guy that I have seen interact with people in a public fashion.
	And yes, I know people would say, well, look at yourself.
	You don't exactly keep the level head when you deal with people in a public fashion.
	Fine, I get that.
	But I feel like usually when I got snippy with people publicly, they had it coming, or at least in my way of thinking, they had it coming.
	But I never just attack people in a public forum in what I would see as an unprovoked set of circumstances.
	And I see that happening with Keith frequently.
	I'm attacking people, whether they're people who host shows on Dark Matter Radio Network or whether they are listeners who send him messages on Facebook.
	Not necessarily attacking, but, well, in the Mallard case, I would consider that a document.
	But I've seen, and Curtis, you and I have both seen comments between Keith and listeners just asking very reasonable, general questions about things here or there and just a snippy snide remark.
	This is not a guy who knows how to communicate with other human beings.
	And I don't think he, I can't imagine what business he has being involved in any of this.
	Great.
	You know how to hammer out HTML code.
	Wonderful.
	But I don't necessarily know that that makes you a bona fide negotiator.
	Well, one thing that stands out to me is that Art has talked multiple times about his studio and how focused he is on it, wants to get everything right, buy the best equipment that he can for it.
	And if you're doing a contact negotiation, don't you have the same effort put into that?
	So you get a lawyer or a negotiator on your side, you go get the best.
	And that's not even trying to knock Keith specifically, but he's not like he's not a contract negotiator.
	So I don't know why you spend $20,000 on a studio, but you don't get a lawyer to go over your contract or to negotiate on your behalf.
	I mean, that seems like the meat and potatoes of what this entire situation revolves around.
	The studio and its hardware composition is entirely secondary, I think.
	Yeah, it's another of several breaks from the consistency of reality that's happened.
	And it goes all the way for me back to when he left Sirius.
	Just the fact that everything didn't line up to be simple math.
	And usually when you have high-stress situations like that, one plus one equals two and so on.
	And it feels like with this, same thing.
	We're going to put all this effort into making sure I've got the right phone lines.
	I've got the right connection for our internet.
	I've got the right studio.
	Oh, and by the way, I'm really frustrated about the contract, but I'm not going to get an expert to take charge of this.
	Maybe Art's trying to make us feel better because he's built Keith up so much that that's his way of saying the wolf has come in to take care of it.
	But this is a guy that Art publicly fired just a few short weeks ago.
	It's a concern.
	I don't know why a person like Keith would be put in a position to negotiate a legal contract for the entire show.
	It doesn't make any sense.
	It doesn't compute.
	I don't get it.
	That's a lot of stuff on your friend.
	You know, there was a lot of speculation when the Sirius thing blew up that perhaps part of the reason for that could have been that maybe Keith was one of the people interacting with the company behind the scenes.
	And with what I've seen from him in terms of his ability to communicate with other people and to do so in a way that doesn't leave you walking away saying, F this guy, I'm not sure how much he benefited that situation if he was involved behind the scenes, communicating with the company or speaking to people over the phone, whatever.
	I do know that when we were talking about getting the spec sheet on the Dark Matter stream, the first person I spoke to was Paul, and I thought he was great.
	And then he told me toward the end of the call, well, what you need to do now is get on the phone with Keith Rowland and talk to him.
	He gave me Keith's phone number.
	I called Keith, and you can really get a read on someone, I think, by listening to their voice far better than you can if you're speaking to them face to face.
	There's just something about the intonation of people's voices.
	There's something about the lack of distraction when you're looking at somebody, you're seeing them and hearing them at the same time.
	So your senses are a bit divided.
	And just listening to the way he was speaking to me, the overall context of the conversation, after it was over with, before we even were on that stream, I called Curtis up right after I got off the phone with Keith and I said, Hey, man, I don't think this thing's going to happen.
	I'll tell you right now, I do not think we can see that.
	Yeah, just from the conversation I had with him, I came away from that feeling like this guy is approaching this conversation entirely from the perspective of he's doing us the favor, like he's doing us the favor.
	And it's like, hey, pal, I'm an Art Bell fan.
	You know, who Art chooses as his webmaster is entirely incidental to me and really is of no importance.
	And I just, I felt like I didn't like the way the conversation was approached.
	I didn't like the way he spoke to me.
	Anytime I communicated with him over the phone, I didn't like it.
	And I don't know why he would necessarily present himself so much better with anybody else he would talk to.
	Because I was just any schmo he would talk to.
	He didn't know me from anybody.
	So why would I just got a read on the way he interacts with people that told me this is not someone I would really want to talk to a whole lot.
	Yes, guys.
	Guys, I just want to bring up something.
	We're not actually live on the stream.
	We're not?
	Oh, don't tell me that.
	No, I'm telling you that.
	Oh, man.
	What?
	I'm sorry.
	You had one job, Curtis.
	Hey, no, I'm broadcasting.
	Whether or not it's going anywhere, I can't help that.
	Let's see.
	Hold on.
	Let's do some live troubleshooting.
	Well, before you even go down that I need to take a look and make sure that your stream is being relayed properly.
	At least it's being recorded, right?
	Yeah, I'm recording, but you're right.
	I just played the live stream.
	What did it do?
	Did it jump over to a Gabcast episode?
	It sounds like.
	I heard Eddie.
	Like someone said, oh, is it not live tonight in the chat room?
	And then I thought I'll better check.
	I wonder how long it's been like that.
	This entire time, probably.
	I haven't been keeping track of the chat.
	I just saw that comment.
	And we're doing better numbers.
	Yes.
	It's out there.
	I'm not redoing that intro.
	That was weak, man.
	Okay, we should now be on the stream.
	And welcome to the Gabcast.
	Curtis, did you kill your stream at any point that's being relayed to my encoder?
	No, I've been going for over an hour.
	Okay, because what appears to have happened was at some point along the way, it moved on and stopped playing the relay.
	So let me try and fix this.
	You're not the first person to tell me that you've moved on from me.
	All right, so let's say good night.
	Yeah, this was probably one of our best episodes ever.
	Really, some riveting conversation.
	Owen, you really just blew my mind with that comment you made earlier.
	That was a good call.
	Oh my gosh.
	I can't believe what has come to light here.
	Everybody missed it, too.
	That's just a shame.
	I can't believe it.
	It's a definitely a zone moment for all of us.
	Yeah, when Art did jazz when he told you he couldn't wait for you to be the first caller on this new show, that just wow.
	Exactly.
	That was awesome.
	It was.
	Okay, is everything all right now?
	I think it is.
	It should be.
	How about somebody call in one of our chat room people?
	Give us a call at 623-242-CAST.
	And also send us a fax because that machine is not being monitored right now.
	No, it is.
	I brought it home.
	You realize he drove in his car when he's coming home from work.
	He has it sitting beside him.
	He goes nowhere without it.
	Oh, so he can install it up above the bed at night.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	That's where it is mounted.
	And when Art Bell sells me the classic 90s-era fax machine, it will replace the fax machine that currently resides on that shelf.
	That would be awesome if you did get that.
	There's no way.
	I know.
	Well, he sold the alien, didn't he?
	And several other items.
	Yeah, actually, yeah, he sold the alien, so why not sell me the fax machine?
	And a TV.
	Oh, the TV went.
	But the TV was way overpriced.
	Art, if you're listening, I got to tell you, whoever you sold that TV to, you totally ripped them off.
	Hey, it's not about the quality of the TV.
	It's about where you're getting it.
	It's a collectible.
	Yeah.
	Okay, we've got a call.
	Let's take this call.
	Okay.
	I call her.
	You're live.
	PBS.
	Hey, how are you?
	Hey, look who it is.
	Yeah, how are you going to be guys?
	How are you doing?
	I could not be better.
	Awesome.
	Well, we need to hear more than that.
	What?
	Yeah, now you have to elaborate.
	You can't just.
	Yeah, let's just leave it there and have a call.
	How about you?
	I'm doing perfectly fine at the gangbusters.
	And see you.
	What's your temperature?
	Are your calcium levels okay?
	Everything is awesome.
	Wait, that's the Lego theme song, isn't it?
	Everything is awesome.
	It totally should be.
	Well, I have an agent for my book.
	That's awesome.
	Really?
	Congratulations.
	It's not Kate Rolland, is it?
	Yes, it is.
	PBS, no racial humor, please.
	Carry on.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm sorry.
	I forgot to.
	I have to do this.
	I was supposed to do the this is White Crow thing, but I can't.
	Let's start this call over.
	Hi, caller.
	How are you?
	This is White Crow.
	You didn't even really change your voice for that.
	I couldn't.
	I can't do it with a straight face.
	You know, it's just not right.
	Well, obviously, you can't do it with a straight face.
	You're not afraid of the story.
	You called the show straight?
	Is that what you're trying to say?
	That you called this show straight.
	Oh, wow.
	That's completely against the rules.
	Completely against the rules.
	If we had rules, you'd be in trouble.
	So, PBS, are you tuned into the stream?
	Is it working okay?
	Yeah, this seems working fine.
	Okay.
	You mean now it is?
	Yeah, no, it's fine.
	I mean, we couldn't tell when it was starting, and then it sounded like rejected within a loop.
	Oh, my God.
	You couldn't tell what life was.
	She was in a loop.
	What does that say?
	She's not straight for this episode.
	Well, I just, you know, follow all policies that are laid out.
	There we go.
	Is that in your contract?
	Like, you can't be straight when you're doing this.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's what I was told.
	It is a 10-year non-compete.
	And no straightness is allowed.
	Well, I fit right in.
	Okay, good, good.
	Just making sure that you're in line with the policies here.
	So what the hell?
	You got an agent for your book?
	And what else?
	Well, let's see.
	What can I tell you guys?
	Because there's things I can't.
	I have a news story I think I'm going to post.
	Maybe tomorrow.
	Because people are reading things.
	And I wanted to thank everybody who's posting stuff on the writing thread.
	For a while, we were bumping Falky out of the top spot and it was nice.
	Anything does that's great.
	So, you know, and that thread's insane.
	Every once in a while, I go in there and I'm like, what does any of this have to do with anything?
	You need to write a story about Falky.
	Yes.
	The chat room's saying they can't hear you.
	I just bumped up the levels for you.
	Chat room, tell me that's better.
	I don't think it's you.
	It's not you, it's me.
	Wow, are we breaking up already?
	Never.
	Remember, you and I have a 10-year non-compete.
	Oh, good.
	Because, you know, I don't want to get jumped live on the air.
	I can take that.
	I would like to have a hetero-life mate.
	Absolutely.
	So, can they hear me now?
	Okay, I just heard or just saw much better now, so maybe I did something right.
	Oh, well, they missed all our banter.
	Oh, no, my God, I'm never writing erratic Falky fan fiction.
	No, it's not happening.
	Oh, expect the video to be posted post-haste, madam.
	Speaking about Falky, somebody's, is Fulkie really doing an interview with George Norrie?
	That's what it says.
	Who gives a shit?
	No, because someone PM'd me the other day.
	I don't know why they PM'd me this because I've never, I don't think they even post on the site, but they told me that they emailed George to ask if he's doing an interview with Falky.
	And George wrote back, I'm not sure whether I am doing it.
	I've heard that Fulkey might be pranking me and trying to use the interview to promote Art Bell's new show.
	And I thought, well, that's the best idea I've ever heard.
	Fulkey can really get back all credibility on Bellgap if he uses the George Norrie interview as a springboard for Art Bell's Midnight in the Desert.
	No, he can't.
	Thank you, Chris.
	I would say it might be a start, but so what Nori is saying is that prior to this revelation that he might be getting pranked in some way, he thought that there was real purpose and direction behind doing an interview with the lonely old man in Martinez, California that no one's ever heard of who has 102 YouTube subscribers?
	Really?
	Okay.
	That's the universe I'm living in.
	All right.
	That's 100 more subscribers than I have on YouTube.
	I don't have any on YouTube, but at one point I had 600 people listening to me.
	You need to share your secrets on how to make this make you money for Falki.
	Well, I have no idea how to do that.
	I've just said, you know, I got lucky and somebody was promoting my stuff for free.
	Well, that works.
	You know, it helps when you have somebody who actually, you know, does stuff in radio and who's good at it promoting your stuff.
	Yeah, I guess Falky's going the exact opposite plan.
	Yeah, right.
	Now we're all going to get videos posted about us.
	Oh, no.
	I'm not posting this episode.
	Hey, can you guys smell my daughter's crapped-out pants through this microphone?
	Yes.
	Actually, I thought we talked about that before this episode.
	Well, I didn't want to say anything.
	I thought you had scooped the pooper already.
	I am actually going to change this diaper on the air.
	It's going to be amazing.
	This must be a podcast first.
	Unless Falky's done.
	Yeah, this is the depth that we're willing to go to for great radio.
	Yeah, sir.
	I agree with her.
	Okay, well, Pony Boy, thanks for calling in and helping us test to make sure we're live.
	Well, thank you for having me and I'll talk to you guys later.
	And congratulations, Pony Boy.
	Congratulations.
	Thanks for calling that shit all.
	And everybody, check out the writing thread that she started on bellgab.com and give your opinions.
	You know, maybe we get Falki to post there and then, you know, to just go gangbusters.
	Oh, no.
	And then she'll be famous.
	Because, you know, Falki also writes.
	Turn that out.
	I'm out.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Later, guys.
	Thanks, Pony Boy.
	Ponyboy and Falki have a lot in common.
	They're both.
	They do.
	They're both in this for the words.
	And not the pictures.
	Right.
	So I guess I'm excited because I successfully was able to link two callers and our host together, which I was very nervous would fail miserably.
	Sure, the people in the chat room and listening to the stream couldn't hear Pony Boy at the beginning, but it's a start.
	This is a professional operation, folks.
	I just boosted the levels up on that line.
	Hopefully, you stink.
	Wait, is that a commentary on this episode or something happening?
	No, your voice was fluctuating.
	That's a comment on this abomination that my daughter dropped in a dance.
	Oh my God.
	I looked at that as the bright spot in this whole episode, but okay.
	Someone's got to bring the poop.
	Right.
	Don't do that.
	Okay, so with our, we've decided that we're on a good roll a while ago, and something just I'm sorry, I shouldn't say that in front of my daughter, but something just destroyed it.
	I don't know what.
	Well, maybe being streamed live would help.
	Yeah, what is that?
	We weren't on the air.
	I forgot.
	I mean, all right.
	Okay.
	That's a minor part of anything.
	In the chat room, we've got someone, Zoo, who has made multiple comments.
	I want Zoo to call in and share their opinion.
	I need to scroll back now to see where it was.
	They said something about how bad things were going.
	We need more critical comments of us, but not in the chat room, but on the air.
	Well, this is also an unusual dynamic for us because, you know, usually I'm sitting there running the board, setting the pace of the show, and tonight changing a shitty diaper.
	That's right.
	Same skill set, isn't it?
	Point taken.
	The pacing, you're doing a great job of the pacing on it, I think.
	But I don't know.
	I've only had two children and had to do that just without being in the podcast at the time.
	So should we go over our groundbreaking, earth-shattering revelations that we discussed when we thought we were on the air?
	Careless Chester.
	Sure, let's do that again.
	Feeling like being redundant.
	Let's do it.
	I think it's good because we've already got it recorded.
	So anyone who's listening to this podcast, they got to hear that.
	What we'll do is just recap.
	I think what was the vote?
	It was three to one for people who are positive.
	Three thinking it was positive, but you didn't give your vote.
	That's true.
	Okay.
	In terms of whether I feel we're in a positive state right now or negative, I'm going to go negative on it.
	So that puts us at 3-2.
	My worry is that Art is the example I'll use.
	It was 3-3.
	Oh, you're right.
	If I could only.
	We have 3-2.
	It was 3-2.
	Okay.
	It's Jazz and I versus you guys.
	But I feel like Art is taking us on a trip through the woods, and he's leaving a breadcrumb trail for us to follow.
	And I don't know at the end of the story that it's going to be a positive ending.
	I feel like he's setting up that path that's going to take us to where something is going to happen or a decision be made that goes, it doesn't break the way he wanted it to.
	I just feel like the last week was him setting up that path.
	And I've got my radical theory is that I think we're going to hear at some point soon that Art is going to be back on coast.
	I'm sure you guys will attack me for that one for being an idiot.
	You're an idiot.
	Thank you.
	That's just out of control, Curtis.
	That's just so out.
	The only way that that could happen is if George Norrie is unseated.
	I can't see them working side by side in any capacity.
	Well, would you concede that Art made several posts, like right after he talked about the contract thing and being frustrated with the timing, he immediately comes out with the second potential player and then the whole conversation about him having private conversations through email with George, which George was the one who put that all out there in the public.
	But Art acknowledged it.
	And then he also apologized in a weird way about the mistake he made when it came to his wife's immigration status that one time and what George had claimed.
	It felt like he was setting up a scenario that would build a bridge between the two, but he's hoping we sort of forget it in between now and when the announcement happens.
	I'm so much more nauseous now than I was earlier.
	I'm sorry.
	Because of the possibility of that happening or just listening to Curtis's rationalization?
	I'm thinking, Jesus, who fucking cares?
	Well, you're right.
	Wow, you're hosting the correct talk show.
	Carry on.
	No, no, no.
	No, no, no.
	It's just, well, I said this, you know, in the private thread the other day that I feel like, you know, I'm listening to Art come in and tell me how it's not going to work and then it's going to work.
	And I feel like, Jesus, I feel like I'm back in, you know, junior high talking to my best friend about why his girlfriend is dumping him.
	I don't know.
	Onin, if you could not make critical comments about Arbell on the air, we'd appreciate that.
	Thank you.
	I'm sorry.
	Everything is rosy and sunshine, and he's going to be back any day now.
	We run a clean show, sir.
	There's only one side we can support on this, and that's the return of art, even if I'm skeptical.
	I want him to come back.
	I'm just tired of the, I'm going to do it.
	Oh, no, I'm not going to do it.
	I'm going to do it.
	Don't yank my chain.
	Just either do it or don't.
	But Jesus Christ.
	I agree.
	We're all adults.
	So if it's not going to happen, just say it.
	That's like I was mentioning earlier, that it's like the math never adds up.
	And since we're fans of art, we go ahead and just accept it.
	But I feel like the last week, the thing, the pieces he's put in place make it very easy to have a path that goes towards not doing a show or building a bridge back to coast to coast.
	You mean like softening the blow?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So that way he can come back and say, well, look what I said back then.
	You know, this isn't something out of left field that I said.
	I was, like I said, putting the breadcrumbs out there for weeks at a time.
	So do you think he's trying to save face by offering these bread sort of breadcrumbs?
	I mean, that's my, I think Onan did a good job there talking about the fact of overthinking it, like in high school where the smallest detail you get to run over so many times that you start to lose yourself in it.
	And that's kind of what I've done with it is think about it so many different times in so many different scenarios.
	What's the most outrageous one, but also could fit some level of what has actually happened.
	And at this point, I accept that as a very real possibility.
	But heart has said that there are three points that he wants to have.
	And what are those points?
	It's the music.
	What were some of the other ones?
	Groupies?
	His show has to be free streaming.
	Yes, so free, have music.
	And if the music is for the live show as well as the recorded show or the downloaded show.
	Yeah, and then the third was international shows.
	And where's the one place he could get that today?
	I still stand by what I said before as an answer to you to that question.
	But I can't see art even sitting down in that chair.
	It's soiled.
	Well, how about this?
	Do you agree with you?
	Yeah, I think you're right, but did you actually could you actually imagine art coming back when he had left the first time and there was a long time in between?
	Maybe the leap we had to make to go from, will art come back before he said anything, isn't it probably just as wide of a gap as him coming back to coast?
	It's a pretty far, it's a pretty huge gap to make that leap.
	I just feel like if I did make that leap, I'm going to fall and crash and burn because I cannot see him doing that.
	He said so many times over and over again that he doesn't want any association with what that show has become.
	And he wants to do his own thing and put out a quality product, as he says.
	So I can't see him to me, that would be stepping backwards for art.
	And he doesn't seem to want to do that.
	Well, he's made a couple of comments about how it's two different shows.
	There's room for both of them.
	I don't really see that as an olive branch so much as you've got your dirty little show and I'll have my nice show.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But I do agree with what you've said, Onan, because the back and forth is just exhausting.
	I think the big player is Cumulus, and it's my understanding that Cumulus has an internet-only arm.
	I don't know if I'm correct about that or not, but things I've read have led me to understand that Cumulus has an internet broadcasting arm that doesn't touch terrestrial radio.
	And I think Art's either going to be on that or he's going to be on their terrestrial radio stations in addition to whatever streaming possibilities open up as a result of an association with Cumulus.
	And I think that that's as simple as that.
	I mean, Art has as much as confirmed that by repeatedly saying Big Puffy Clouds, you know, hinting the last time he was in the chat room, he said big puffy clouds in July.
	What else could that mean?
	What about the comment that was made about Pandora?
	Was that just completely wrong?
	That was something that George Norrie supposedly said to this guy in Martinez, California who goes by Falke on message boards.
	So what faith anyone should or could or I put in that, I can't imagine.
	I only take my sources from the Scorpion Army.
	So I'm not saying Falkey's incapable of being correct or recalling things correctly.
	I'm just saying it sounds like third or fourth hand information, and I would just consider that meaningless.
	What's that on him?
	Am I the only one who's confused about Art and his position on radio?
	Because he said months ago that he didn't want to do radio again and that terrestrial radio was not part of the plan.
	And now I agree with you.
	Cumulus?
	I'm like, this is a disconnect.
	I just, I don't get it.
	Well, maybe that changed.
	Maybe his position on the matter evolved when he found that returning to terrestrial radio in some capacity with some entity, some big player, to pay him those bullet points that he wants.
	See, and that to me is the only sane decision that could be made.
	Because I think he could make an excellent podcast, and I think it could build up great numbers, but it's not going to at first.
	And if he wants big numbers, it's got to be radio.
	And I also worry that if it is internet only and Art gets in there and starts doing these shows and he starts getting five calls per broadcast from Jezmunda, perhaps his interest in doing the show is going to begin to erode rather quickly.
	Well, that brings me back to another thing that he's said repeatedly, especially lately, is that he realizes he's going to have a small audience to start out with, and he seems like he's okay with that.
	He said several times that he's okay with starting out small.
	Right.
	That made me confident that he was going to come back.
	I would have put money down saying the art's all in.
	He's doing this.
	Just the last few weeks, once we got to the point to where it really was time to make something happen that he's began to waver some, let's take a call really quick.
	Hey, Caller.
	Hello.
	Hey, how are you?
	Who is this?
	This is Fearless One.
	Hey, Fearless One.
	How are you guys doing tonight?
	How are you doing?
	How's it going?
	Hey, I kind of called back to Touchbase with you guys.
	I tried to get Redact's favorite person to get on the air here the last couple weeks.
	Oh, you're the madman, right?
	You're the madman.
	Dude, the guy's a total shut-in, man.
	I've tried everything.
	I even offered him cash.
	It's no bueno, man.
	He won't get out of the house.
	He doesn't need to get out of the house.
	He just needs to pick up a phone.
	He don't listen to this guy.
	He could build a phone.
	He doesn't even own a computer.
	I'm telling you, I think the guy, I think he burned his brain up or something.
	There's just something not right with him.
	He lives with his mom.
	And I don't know how old she is.
	She's probably in her 60s or 70s.
	And I guess he travels back and forth between here in Missouri to his dad's house in Ohio someplace.
	And I think that's like the only place he ever goes.
	But I did try.
	I mean, you know, it was a valid attempt.
	Well, we appreciate it.
	Thank you very much.
	Yeah.
	Next time you need to pull it.
	We need to get some clarity on this.
	What we're talking about here is a few weeks ago, you called into the show and asserted that you are in personal contact with the classic coast-to-coast art bell caller known as Madman Markham, who built the so-called time machine using stolen transistors or stolen transformers, thank you.
	Transistors.
	Transistors too, probably.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	And it's just not going to happen, apparently.
	Well, you know, like I said, I knew him.
	I knew of him.
	And I knew him through my mother played cards with his mom.
	That's how I knew who he was.
	And I didn't know anything about it.
	I mean, I remember when all that took place, but I didn't know he was the one that was involved in it at the time.
	I only found out later down the road when I was listening to Art Bell one night and I was like, I totally know that guy.
	You know, so that's kind of how it all came about.
	Well, thanks for trying to get him on our show.
	I would like to know, I mean, other than just simply, you know, this broad observation of him just simply not quite being right.
	I mean, beyond all of that, I mean, is there anything interesting you can tell us about how he lives?
	I mean, is he still involved in this sort of thing?
	Or, you know, he's really, like I said before, he's really very technically smart.
	The guy is, I would say he's borderline autistic, maybe.
	I don't know.
	When it comes to electronics, that type of thing, the guy's an absolute genius.
	As a matter of fact, when I was in his house, he must have had 30 television sets sitting on the floor and he was just fixing them for fun some people.
	So, I mean, you know, he's yeah, but does he build time machines out of those TVs?
	I don't know, but it's like the guy has no connection with any social media.
	Like I said, he doesn't even have a home PC, doesn't have a computer in his house.
	It's kind of like he just cut himself off from everything.
	I don't know.
	Maybe he went into the future and he saw what it was going to be like with Facebook.
	Obviously, obviously.
	That's what happened.
	Well, I mean, that's one thing to one angle to consider.
	The NSA knows virtually nothing about him.
	Well, that's true.
	That's true.
	But, you know, I was going to touch base with you guys on your Art Bell conversation he was having.
	You know, something I've kind of taken in through all this, you know, up and down, up and down.
	The one thing that, you know, I notice now, as opposed to back when Art was in his heyday, is the landscape has changed so drastically.
	You know, back in those days, he was doing groundbreaking, cutting-edge things that nobody else was doing.
	And today, to pull those types of things off, it's going to be very difficult.
	I mean, you know, it's going to be very hard for him to pull a rabbit out of his hat that somebody hasn't already seen or done.
	You know, he was doing video chats and, you know, internet, you know, IR chat stuff clear back then.
	You know, nowadays, you know, that type of thing is pretty common.
	You know, I mean, your average 10-year-old can do most of that stuff.
	Look at us.
	Look at us.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	One thing I will add to that, though, is, I mean, this is at least my opinion.
	Yeah, I've heard a lot of people do paranormal talk.
	I've heard a lot of people doing podcasts where they're essentially trying to emulate the Art Bell show.
	And no one does it the same.
	No one does it in a way that makes me say, I want to listen to that.
	And even when Art was discussing subjects that I don't necessarily care too much about, I would still just listen because I felt like Art as a host was sort of approaching the conversation as I probably would, or at least I would hope I would.
	In other words, he would ask the questions that were in my mind as I was listening.
	And there aren't a lot of hosts that do that.
	Well, I always appreciate it because he would always validate the person he was interviewing.
	Even when they were completely off their rock or crazy, he would always validate what they were saying.
	And it made you feel like he was truly involved with what they were saying.
	If you go back and listen to some of the John Lear interviews, man, that dude was totally off his rocker.
	He was bat shit.
	And he was just a goofy old man making shit up.
	But if you look at those interviews, I guarantee you, those are some of the highest-rated interviews that Art Bell ever did.
	And that was because he would engage him and not play the judgmental side of the card.
	Now, in today's world, how do you go out and find that John Lear guy that somebody else hasn't already interviewed?
	You know, those people were all cutting-edge groundbreaking for Art Bell.
	Nobody else had those people on.
	How do you go find those people today?
	I mean, there's plenty of people crazy people walking around.
	But they're going to be compelling enough for him to have a conversation with.
	Exactly.
	And back in those days, those people, like the John Lears, or who was the other guy that you guys were talking about prior to the show?
	Bob Lazar.
	Oh, yeah.
	The John Lears, the Bob Lazars, those people wouldn't have really known where to go to have a long-form public conversation about these subjects.
	Oh, yeah, you're absolutely right.
	Other than to go talk to Art Bell.
	Really, what's changed there?
	Well.
	Well, there are just too many places they could go.
	I mean, it's just, it's so saturated now in terms of the subject, the genre.
	There's a lot of people out there that are, you know, talking to, you know, 500 listeners, but is anybody really doing big numbers?
	I mean, in paranormal?
	Well, the other thing is if Art were to show up and hit his old form, is he going to do big numbers?
	Yeah.
	So I think the John Lear types or the new, you know, new and improved, whoever John Lear is going to be this time, would try to find a path to art.
	That could be a magnet for these people.
	You know, the one thing, though, go back to the second interviews.
	The one thing that stood the test of time was those guys may have been absolutely batshit crazy, but they told the same story time and time and time again.
	They didn't alter it.
	They didn't change it.
	You know, it wasn't like they give one interview to Art and one interview to Nori or one interview this guy.
	It was always the same thing over and over and over.
	You know what they call that, though, right?
	What's that?
	A fixed delusion.
	That's probably when you go to listen to your favorite rock band, you want to hear them play the hits, not the new album.
	Well, but if you go listen, I mean, I listened to Van Halen last week on Jimmy Kimmel or whatever the hell it was, and I about my TV sit out the window because I was just shocked of how horrible bad it was.
	Was that the one that David Lee Roth hurt himself?
	Yeah, dude, what the hell was that all about?
	Yeah.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Well, fearless one, thanks for calling.
	I think you have some great points there.
	Thanks a lot, man.
	I appreciate it.
	Yeah, thanks for calling in.
	Yep, no time.
	Well, he tried.
	Did he say no time at the end?
	I think he misspoke.
	It's funny that we would be talking about Madman Microsoft.
	I know.
	It all just fits.
	BB sleepy.
	Michael, is your headset.
	Am I hearing?
	I think your mic is picking up your headphones.
	You think so?
	I think that's because I only hear it when you're talking.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, let me just try simply turning the volume down.
	I really noticed it during the call.
	That's why I thought maybe it was something on my side, but.
	Okay, that should be better there.
	Okay, cool.
	Now we just need someone, another caller, to give us another insight into a past art guest.
	Which person would you like to hear, I mean, in a perfect world, call into the GAD cast that was a caller from some fame in the art world.
	And don't say Mr. Fidget because we already got him.
	We need to address the forum move, too.
	We started to work on that earlier, Curtis being the person who's doing most of the work.
	And things weren't really going the way we had planned.
	And so we're going to start trying to complete that.
	I'm assuming you have time to monkey with it, Curtis, after the show.
	That was my plan.
	We're going to try and get that all wrapped up after the show tonight.
	So once we have the move complete, you will be seeing the maintenance mode message at Bellgab.
	And once your DNS updates to reflect the new location of the website, you will no longer see the maintenance mode message.
	You'll just simply be able to use the forum.
	But for those of you who have internet service providers who are really slow to update their DNS, hold on, Jesse, what do you want?
	I would recommend that you use OpenDNS and you'll be able to access the forum a lot more quickly.
	How do we do that?
	You mentioned that.
	And for us, dumb people.
	How do we do that?
	Well, if you go to use.opendns.com, I think it is, you will see instructions for every operating system on how to set that up.
	One thing you can do trying to figure out the best way to present this to the world, but there is a way that you can go into your host file and define and force it to use the new site.
	The only problem is that you would want to clear that out once all the DNS stuff is done.
	That's where OpenDNS or using Google as your DNS is a far better plan.
	Because it'll help not just being able to browse Bellgab, but you'll have faster experience than your ISP's DNS by using one of those services all around.
	So not only will Bellgab give you better access to the site, but also to all your internet viewing pleasures, horseporn, or whatever it is you're interested in.
	Not only will Bellgab, you mean OpenDNS?
	No, I mean Bellgab Switch and the fact that you Bellgab is what brings you to OpenDNS.
	Okay.
	No, I know what I'm saying there.
	It might sound awkward and uncomfortable, but I meant it.
	Yeah, so we're going to start working on that after the show.
	And I think everyone's going to be really impressed with how the forum runs.
	It is just a dragging behemoth right now.
	Whatever problems have been plaguing HostGator since this whole fiasco began have apparently not subsided.
	And I'm still even, I think yesterday I saw the database connection message.
	Yeah, last night when I was working on cleaning up some files before we moved it, it was running so slow.
	It was ridiculous.
	It's pathetic.
	And I don't, I can't, I'm sure that you haven't really seen anything in terms of the way everything is set up that would cause that.
	It just has to be something on HostGator's end that for whatever reason they haven't resolved.
	Yeah, we've got a meter we can watch to see the running processes, and it keeps jumping up to like of the 12 total we can have on that shared hosting account that we're on, it was like an 11.
	It was pegged to there almost constantly.
	And here I am trying to do processor-intensive things to reduce the size of the database, reduce the files that were going to be backed up.
	And it just took forever.
	It was amazing.
	I'd click and it'd go so slow.
	So, you know, and of course we all browse the site and see what it's like on the front end for that slow speed.
	But imagine trying to fix it and experiencing those speeds that I wanted to throw my shoe at the screen.
	Me too.
	Onan, what's your take on our database issues?
	What?
	Well, let's take a quick listening tonight.
	Okay, go ahead.
	You're on the air caller.
	Howdy, y'all.
	Hey, how are you?
	Hi.
	I'm doing well.
	Is this White Crow?
	This is White Crow.
	Thank you.
	I needed that.
	I couldn't go with you any farther.
	This is White Crow.
	This is the general.
	Hey, General.
	Hey, man.
	Hey.
	Hey, look who it is.
	Calling from my underground bunker deep in the Saskatchewan crust.
	From a rotary telephone.
	Yes.
	I just wanted to weigh in on the whole art thing.
	You know, I wish that I had high hopes, but I really, I think it's dead in the water, and I think that it's time to accept the fact that it's just not going to happen.
	And that's where I am with it.
	Man, I don't know what universe I'm living in that you guys aren't living in, but I just feel, I still feel positive about it.
	I don't know why.
	I don't know what it is I've been exposed to that you guys haven't or vice versa.
	Well, it's that secret line straight to him.
	What did you say?
	Oh, I'm just giving Michael a hard time there.
	Well, Art and I do have a webcam relay between the two of our homes.
	I thought you shared poetry.
	Either of us can stand in front of in any given moment in case there's a it's like the red phone line between the White House and the Kremlin during the Kennedy administration.
	Except more importantly.
	Excellent.
	So General, what do we do in a world where art doesn't come back?
	What's it like the day after we're going to be able to do it?
	What do we do?
	What do we do?
	How do we live?
	What do we do?
	Well, I'm stocking up on e-foods.
	You know, personally, I think it's good to have a good source of food and water.
	And, you know, it has to be potable water.
	It's good to have luck in America.
	You got your curl buttock mold over there?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	What about survival?
	Do you believe those are important?
	My phone is cutting out.
	I'm sorry.
	But no, it's not going to be any different than it has been for the past several years.
	I mean, other than his other than his quick dark matter show, which really was great, but, you know, yeah, it's not going to be any different than it has been.
	And I'm just, I'm back to acceptance.
	I mean, you know, what stage of grief am I going to be in here?
	I just, it's like, I'm just going back to acceptance.
	But I do agree with MV that it's been cumulus.
	Art's been talking to cumulus.
	And I just don't think there's any way that it's going to happen.
	But hey, I would love to be pleasantly surprised.
	I would really love it.
	But do you think that if he announces that that's it, he's done no more, he's not even going to bother with trying to get a show off the ground anymore?
	Do you think he'll still post at Belgab or do you think he'll just disappear into the sunset?
	I think he will.
	I think he will, which is kind of a nice consolation, prize.
	I mean, you remember back in the day when we were speculating on what happened to Art?
	His name has gone from the Coast website.
	And do you think he ever looks at Coast Cab or, you know, as it was known at the time?
	And now it's like, you know, I'm just like waiting to see what he posts every day.
	It's pretty amazing that he's become so accessible through the forum.
	It's nothing that I ever expected him to do.
	So I think that he'll probably continue doing that because I think he enjoys it.
	I think that, you know, I mean, if you had a forum devoted to you, don't you think you'd poke your head in there every now and then and post something?
	I think you pegged that one dead on.
	I think he does really enjoy the forum.
	Whether he will continue or not, that'll be a pretty big piece of humble pie for him to swallow to stay on.
	So I don't know.
	Well, if he's setting us up for a slow wind down here, then maybe that gives him the chance to stay on the forum if he takes it in smaller chunks rather than just all of a sudden one day say it's not happening.
	Well, I think he still believes it's going to happen.
	I think that's where he's at.
	Otherwise, you wouldn't hear the frustration in his posts about the anxiety of waiting and waiting if he didn't have a true desire for it to continue.
	So I don't think he's trying to feed it to us a little bit at a time.
	But I think if it doesn't happen, he might have to feel like he's got to wash an egg off his face, and that might be hard for him to do.
	I mean, nobody's going to really look at him that way, but that might be something he carries.
	And I don't think he would be looking forward to that because remember the dark matter quits.
	How could we ever forget that thread?
	I think he wants to avoid that kind of shitstorm ensuing.
	That was a pretty bad backlash at the time.
	That was a pretty bad backlash.
	But you've got to remember that he was not regularly posting on the forum at that time either.
	I think he gets a different attitude on the forum towards art.
	You know, people are posting with the thought in mind that, hey, Art's going to actually read this.
	Yeah, that is a positive.
	Yeah, that's a positive piece of what's happened with the forum is it's become more conversational in a way that you're comfortable asking real questions rather than try to get the one shot out there.
	And remember, after the dark matter quit stuff, art did come back and hit some people back.
	Who's to say he doesn't do that again?
	But also, people were very angry at the time because people had put down their own money to listen to him.
	Right.
	So you can understand the anger.
	This time, no one's done anything.
	So, you know, always put down is our hope.
	Yeah.
	That's all I have left, though.
	Yeah.
	Which when you're starting to think about it.
	Go ahead.
	I was just going to say, if this deal doesn't materialize, I don't think you're going to see nearly the amount of venom that you saw when Dark Matter imploded.
	Number one, because as someone just, or Jasmine just mentioned a moment ago, nobody went out and bought Sirius XM radios in order for this to happen.
	And secondly, I just think it's going to be an attitude of, hey, well, you tried.
	I bought a cloud.
	Yeah, I'm ready.
	I don't know.
	I'm with Michael on this one.
	I'm positive about it because if he wanted to throw his hands up, he would have.
	Thank you.
	If he didn't feel like this was going to happen, why would he continue holding out for the contract to come back?
	I don't know.
	You guys really are just a bunch of buzzkills.
	I mean, I feel like I'm talking to Audio Chlamydia speaking to you guys.
	That is my middle name.
	I just, I think Art's of two minds.
	I feel like he's everything Onan, you just said a moment ago about where he is is correct.
	But then some days he's just having a bad day, and that's what worries me.
	For some reason, I guess I latch onto the bad day more than I do the typical day in art posting.
	I swear to God, if you asked me right now, percentage-wise, how like just the gut feeling I have that this is going to happen, I'm going to say 90%.
	Well, it's everyone else.
	How do you feel?
	I'm right there.
	I'm with the 90.
	65%.
	65.
	Jazz Harry.
	15, 20%.
	Oh, my God, General.
	You know, I used to think you and I could get on really well if we were located in the same town, but I don't know anymore.
	I'm about 30%.
	It all depends on whether he can get his music going.
	If they can cover him for liability of music, then he'll be in.
	If they can't, he's out.
	I have no idea what percent that's going to be of that happening.
	I'd say I'm 45%.
	Wow.
	So if we add all these percentages together and divide them by six, all right.
	Yeah, there you go.
	I knew that was a good joke.
	I knew it.
	Finally.
	Well, you know, like Jazz just alluded to, it all comes down to the music.
	And that's the weird part of this is that it really all comes down to the music and the licensing.
	I mean, how easy is it to start a podcast?
	Christ, I did it.
	And I'm an idiot, you know?
	So, like, it's not, it's not about, you know, can he do a podcast?
	He can absolutely do a podcast.
	It's just, it just comes down to the music.
	And if the music isn't going to happen, then he doesn't want to do it.
	And that's really, I think, that's really sad because, you know, just that one stumbling block is going to keep him from doing new Art Bell material.
	And that's.
	I don't want to sound like I'm high-fallutinary or anything, but, you know, Art looks at this from my perspective, looks at this is that if he's going to put something together, it's going to be a full meal, not just one entree.
	And I think when he does it, he wants to be at the board.
	He wants to be controlling music.
	He wants to, whatever.
	And I think that it does need to be a full package for him, not just one part.
	Oh, and I think you're totally right there, but it also, I can't help but think about this contract negotiation and why doesn't he feel that way about it?
	Why doesn't he feel like he wants to be at the, like we were talking about earlier?
	Right, right, right.
	So on everything else, why is this one thing, which is the critical piece that can make everything else happen?
	I think in some ways, this is kind of his tragic flaw: is that he trusts people that he probably shouldn't with things that they really aren't skilled with.
	And nothing's coming to mind right now, but I know I've seen this dynamic with him before where instead of getting somebody who really knows what they're doing, he trusts someone who he knows.
	It puts them in a high position.
	It can, yeah.
	I mean, I mean, I don't know what more to say about it, but go ahead.
	It's not the 90s anymore, you know, and maybe the webmaster he had in the 90s is not necessarily the webmaster he should have now or the same advisors that he should have.
	It's just a different.
	It's just a different argument from me on that one.
	Good point.
	I was so happy when the Keith Rowland public firing happened, not just because of my axe to grind, but I thought, all right, maybe this turns a new leaf.
	Maybe we see some new technological innovations in terms of how art interacts with this entire universe of his that he's created.
	Maybe we'll see some new neat things.
	Maybe Curtis could wind up being his guy somehow.
	That's a weird ultimate reality.
	I mean, I swear to God, I thought, you know, there might be some angle here where you wind up being his webmaster.
	I mean, there would be a billion people who would vouch for your ability to do so.
	Not me being one of them, but a lot of people.
	Right.
	Well, I would have to pay you first, right?
	And I don't know if my bank account's big enough to do that.
	Well, everything's better with money.
	Then we'd all be beaching about Curtis running the negotiations.
	Let me tell you, I would be terrible at that negotiation.
	I would walk in and say, what do I have to do to get Art Bell on the radio?
	I still think you have stronger diplomatic skills than Keith.
	Oh, yes.
	Oh, my God.
	Curtis is such a nice guy.
	It's one of the things that I hate the most about him.
	It's like that movie, The Last King of Scotland, where the kid who just became a doctor and graduated from medical school, he goes off to Scotland.
	And he's talking to the woman whose husband is one of the physicians in this little hut where they're treating the natives locally.
	And he's talking to her about her husband.
	And she's like, you know what it's like to be married to someone so wonderful and marvelous?
	And he's like, it makes you feel like a piece of shit.
	Yes, exactly.
	That's how I feel in my interactions with Curtis.
	I just feel like such human debris every time.
	He's too nice and likable.
	I would like to be the Ned Stark of this podcast if I could be.
	Curtis is what I would be if I had all of my shit together.
	Oh, trust me, man.
	Other than the inability to eat scrambled eggs, yes, we got all that.
	Yes.
	Otherwise, you're doing pretty well.
	Well, you know, eating is not a required function of being alive.
	Yeah, yeah, it is.
	Well, that's true.
	Forget it.
	Hey, General, you want to plug your podcast?
	Yeah, it's called Knitting with the General, and it's all about knitting.
	Anything you want to know about crocheting and knitting.
	Those patterns from last week's show were great.
	Oh, my God, man.
	Yeah.
	I saw the doilies you did.
	Man, that's awesome.
	Can you send me another Kleenex Cozy?
	Next episode, we're going to do Kleenex Cozy's.
	Kleenex Cozy.
	It's called The Fret Files.
	It's a podcast about guitars, and you can find it at UFOship.com.
	We're a proud member of the Van Diemen Enterprises podcast, Empire conglomerate.
	The easiest way to get there is just to type.
	The easiest way to get there is just to go to fredfiles.com.
	Yeah, that works too.
	So by the way, is that iTunes issue still persisting?
	Oh, as far as I know, yeah, last time I checked, it's iTunes, for whatever reason, likes to post only partial episodes, and they'll just clip it off at some arbitrary spot in the podcast.
	So you'll get a 10-minute episode or a 47-minute episode when, in reality, the episode was an hour long.
	And I don't know why that's happening.
	My guess is that if something clips, because I try to have the audio nice and hot in my MP3 file.
	And I'm wondering if there's a spot in the podcast where it clips, if that automatically stops the upload or something.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what's going on with that.
	But yeah, it's still persisting as far as I know.
	I need to install iTunes on one of my machines so that I can take a listen to our podcasts and see if they're also doing it because it's all working off of the same system.
	Yeah, I'll check too, because I have you in my feed too, so I'll look and see.
	Usually I end up just copying them over through Google Drive to listen to.
	It's only happening about 10% of the time, but I don't know.
	It's just a weird thing.
	I don't know what's going on with that.
	It's very frustrating, and I don't know where to begin to fix the problem.
	Is somebody using a blender?
	For as much as I'm paying for you to host the podcast, I really have expected better service than this.
	I don't know.
	You need to get Michael's Keith on this.
	I feel like there's a certain aggression here.
	I don't know.
	This aggression will not stand.
	Man, a lot of new shit's come to light.
	Man.
	But we've got another caller.
	So, General, thank you for joining us.
	Yeah, we're done with this.
	I'm going to boot you.
	Bye.
	Good hearing you, man.
	Thank you.
	Okay, we've got another caller.
	You are on the air.
	Who is this?
	Yeah, hello.
	This is White Crow.
	Thank you.
	How are you, White Crow?
	I'm pretty good this evening.
	Thank you.
	That is good.
	How do you feel?
	I have a question for all you experts.
	Start with Jasmonda because you said expert.
	What does bandwidth cost for somebody like Art to host a program that could potentially have millions of listeners streaming?
	Any ideas?
	Well, so the bandwidth to get that to the listeners or for him to get it to like a central server?
	There's two parts.
	I don't know how it works.
	Okay, so it works.
	It's sort of astronomical costs.
	Here's what I'll say.
	I mean, this will give you some window into all of that.
	And you'll have to think of this in terms of proportion of number of listeners.
	But the stream that everybody's tuned into right now has a cap of 125 listeners at 128 kilobits per second, which is about over double what you really need to do what it is that art wants to do as far as a talk show is concerned.
	I mean, you don't even need 64K to do that if you broadcast in mono, which art has always done.
	Anyway, we're all used to hearing art on AM radio, which is mono in almost every case.
	And even if it's not mono, none of us have a stereo AM.
	I used to work at a stereo AM station, and I just used to just walk in there every day and look at the exciter and say, why is this thing even here?
	Nobody has a way to hear a stereo AM station.
	But anyway, that's not a problem.
	Channel separation.
	Right, but you're 120.
	Isn't there a factor when you're out to a million of people potentially?
	Well, let me wrap up my point here.
	125 listeners at 128 kilobits per second.
	Michael costs.
	Michael, your mic's like cutting in and out.
	Really?
	Yes.
	How about now?
	Yeah, you're better.
	Okay, so 125 listeners at 128 kilobits per second costs me $37 Every six months.
	That's nothing.
	I don't think bandwidth isn't the issue.
	Well, and they're going to use down to the music.
	Yeah, the cost of that and the liability of who gets sued if the record companies come and knocking.
	And Keith is a big fan of using Amazon, the S3 cloud for it.
	So you spin up enough bandwidth and you pay for what you need rather than just pay for, let's say he paid for 500,000 slots and only used 200,000 of them.
	Of course, he'd be wasting his money.
	Instead, the service they use can contract and expand for however many listeners they have.
	But it's not cheap.
	I mean, to have a server on that, you are paying for every bit that goes out.
	I mean, it's not cheap, but it's not cost prohibitive either.
	We're talking probably thousands of dollars a month.
	But I would have to think once he builds up to the point of having enough listeners that the advertising revenues he gets are going to offset that and he's going to make money.
	But he's not doing it on his own.
	He's going with someone else who obviously has the infrastructure in place.
	So that's the bandwidth isn't the issue.
	For him, it wouldn't be at that point.
	You're right.
	He can't do it on his own because of the music issues.
	So he has to go with someone who's got those licensing things in place.
	Therefore, they would obviously have bandwidth to spare.
	Right, which when you get to a company, if it's like Cumulus or whoever it might be that's big enough to support that, their costs are drastically reduced because of the amount of bandwidth they're purchasing.
	So it's not a big deal for them.
	So it's the economy of scales.
	Yeah, to get a little bit more specific, like MV if you had 10,000 listeners, would your costs dramatically increase?
	He wouldn't be able to afford to eat.
	The overall cost would increase, but I'm sure that my cost per listener would decrease drastically.
	Somebody just posted in the forum that unlimited listeners is $178 every six months.
	Thank you, John.
	And I'm sure if the GADCAS got 10,000 listeners, MV could probably start advertising something.
	Yeah, we're counting on you for that if you can get the word out for us.
	I would start doing another podcast about knitting.
	I heard someone else is doing one, but I think I can get that.
	Yeah, you're too late on that one.
	There's room for two.
	There could be, but one of them is going to have to be a poor imitation of the other.
	That other podcast could have their listeners.
	I'll have mine.
	I don't know why I suddenly slip into Evelyn impersonation mode from time to time.
	Speaking of Evelyn, are you guys going to be doing a train wreck reunion?
	Yeah, we're going to do like a just sort of a, hey, what's happening in Evelyn's life kind of not necessarily explicitly only talking about what kind of a train wreck Evelyn's life is right now, which it is.
	Her life right now is a train wreck, and we'll get into all of that.
	But it's just kind of, you know, getting together, sort of a reunion type thing, doing the show again for an episode.
	Is there any chance you can get the Gettysburg Ghost people to be on that episode?
	Yeah, because, you know, it worked out so well on round one.
	Evelyn was definitely not hopped up on pills and alcohol or whatever the problem was.
	So yeah, it should go really well the second time around two.
	I'm telling you, that was the best moment in all of your podcast history.
	I enjoyed it.
	I was just so taken aback when that happened.
	To fill everybody in on what it was, we had you may have seen this video that this family filmed in Gettysburg at night where you can see the torsos of what appear to be Civil War soldiers walking through the trees and like up in the leaves of the trees, even they're not even level with the ground.
	It's really weird.
	And we had this man and woman on the show who on the old Michael Van Diemen's Radio Train Wreck show.
	We had this man and woman on the show, and Evelyn was fine for the entire show until right at the point where we had these people on with us, and she just suddenly turned into Andy Griffith's show, Otis the Drunk, talking to you through the jail cell bars.
	It really was a disaster, and I don't know what happened.
	She didn't even realize until the next day that something had happened.
	And there was just something in her mind that clicked and said, oh my God.
	And she immediately called me up on Skype.
	Michael, I don't know what happened last night.
	Do you have a recording of what happened?
	I'm just something's wrong and I know it.
	Tell me.
	I love listening to that episode live.
	It was one of my favorites.
	I don't even think I have a recording of it.
	I didn't even post it.
	I should have.
	Yeah, I probably shouldn't even have brought it up.
	I apologize.
	I was of a different mindset at that time.
	And if that had happened today, I would absolutely post it.
	But for whatever reason, I guess I fancied myself some sort of a serious broadcaster or something.
	Oh, well, the integrity of the show could be compromised if we post those.
	So I didn't post it.
	I wish I had.
	I'm kind of sad now that General, when he called in, didn't go all Ian Punnett on us talking about his next episode.
	He couldn't have.
	Yeah.
	I think it's because he doesn't know what he's doing next, really.
	Yeah.
	What was I?
	He had taken Ian Punnett on that call where he was promoting the show, the weekend show with George.
	He was on like cough or cold medicine or something or flu, and he was all loopy sounding.
	I wish I had the audio of that to play in front of me.
	Well, he was a divinity student at the time.
	Maybe he was on some heavy peyote trying to further, you know, develop his ability to consider all the spiritual possibilities.
	He's making his connection.
	Hey, it can do a world of good if you do it right.
	Maybe that's what Art needs to do.
	He needs to take a trip out to visit what are those called where you sit around in like the teepee or whatever, like a sweat thing or whatever, sit up there and commune.
	I can't think of a crackout.
	It's called a TP ceremony, sir.
	I'm trying to remember what it was called.
	I didn't want to be insensitive about it, but at the same time, get the words out.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, I'm just messing with you, but he's in the right area for it.
	He's right there in the desert, right nearby.
	And maybe that would, you know, help him with this whole stressful waiting period and waiting for the contract.
	Just go into a teepee, meditate that stuff out, and he'll come out a new Arbel, ready to take shit on.
	I always wonder if Art pulls out the old one-hitter from time to time.
	Because I've always believed that he was probably a pot smoker back in the day.
	And I always sort of wondered.
	I'm wondering, you know, maybe if he might just from time to time, let's unwind.
	Where do we get to read from him?
	Didn't he allow someone to have a bung on the A once?
	A couple of times.
	I remember that, yeah.
	Or hearing it.
	He's obviously not against it.
	He has specifically articulated the position that he's not in favor of pot prohibition.
	But as far as whether he actually did in the past, he's never specifically said that I know of.
	But I just always kind of had that vibe that he probably did.
	I'm sure he probably doesn't now and probably hasn't in a long time, but it always seemed like a definite possibility to me.
	Well, who do you mean?
	Go ahead.
	If Art's listening, Matt, I know a guy if you got the money.
	Okay, just saying.
	Well, that's perfectly what I was going to say.
	How about we create like a GoFundMe to get him whatever it is he might need?
	Yeah.
	I'm starting to get annoyed by this GoFundMe type crap at all the clone operations that have popped up to emulate that model.
	Now that I saw, you saw this cop in South Carolina that shot the black guy in the back a billion times as he was running away.
	And now there is a GoFundMe clone.
	I forget.
	It starts with an I. Indiegogo, is that it?
	What?
	Well, Indiegogo.
	Is that what you said?
	It's been around.
	Yeah, is that the name of it?
	Yeah, that one's been around for a while, though.
	Okay.
	Well, they've got an entry on there where people are trying to raise money for this cop who obviously, in my opinion, I don't even see how I could say it's my opinion.
	It just seems like a clear case of murder that this cop shot this guy in the back.
	I'm getting messages here.
	I hope it doesn't mean my mic sucks.
	No, you're fine.
	Okay, good.
	Yeah, that annoys me so much.
	I'm just getting a little annoyed by this notion that any stupid cause that any idiot can come up with can be crowdfunded.
	That bothers me.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's a scary commentary when you see all these different fun, fun things come out there and how much money they make so quickly.
	Have you guys seen the video of that?
	Of the shooting?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, gosh.
	I haven't.
	This guy is simply running.
	The cop didn't know he was being recorded, videotaped, on a phone, videotaped on a phone.
	Yes, the guy inserted a VHS, a Betamax rather, into his phone, and the recording commenced.
	The cop didn't know that there was video being taken of the event, and he, there's just a little minor scuffle of some sort where the guy is apparently trying to knock the cop's hand away, and then the guy takes off running from the cop.
	He's a good several yards away from the cop, and the cop just unloads his gun into this guy's back and kills him right there, dead.
	I mean, I'm starting to feel like I hate to turn this into the politico cast as opposed to the gab cast, but I'm starting to feel like cops shouldn't even be allowed to carry guns in this country.
	Or maybe they should just have mounted shotguns in their cars that are really not the easiest thing to pull out and use just on a whim.
	I saw a statistic somewhere that said cops in this country have killed as many people in a month as cops in Great Britain have killed or England or however you're supposed to say it over the course of the last decade or longer even.
	I mean, it's just well, or they could just come out and say, look, we're the cops.
	We can do whatever we want.
	If we want to shoot you, we will.
	I mean, don't pretend like, oh, to serve and protect, because that shit hasn't been true for a long time.
	Yeah, can we quit masquerading as though there's something called due process and just admit what it really is?
	That any one of us can be shot dead in the street by a police officer at any time.
	The statistics are pretty clear that you're more likely to be shot by a police officer than you are to be killed by a terrorist.
	So who should you fear?
	I don't know.
	Or you could be stopped and any cash you have on you just appropriated.
	Right.
	I saw that.
	Did you see the story about the guy that was driving to California because he wanted to buy a car, and his dad, I think it was, gave him $2,500 in cash to do so.
	He gets pulled over for whatever reason.
	The cop asks the guy, Do you have any cash in the car?
	The guy honestly answers, Yeah, I've got $2,500.
	I'm on my way to buy a car.
	And the cop takes, confiscates the money.
	It is seized, and it's seized on the grounds of this guy having, quote-unquote, more cash than a common person should be carrying.
	And the cop didn't even include in his police report that the driver of the car told him on the scene that he was on his way to purchase a car.
	Some reporter was interviewing the cop, and he asked the cop, Why did you not include in your report that the driver of the car told you that he was on his way to purchase an automobile?
	And the cop just stupidly stared at the ground for several seconds and responded with, Well, I don't know why I didn't put that in there.
	Meanwhile, this guy's money is taken.
	It's gone.
	It's just simply gone because they have decided that a common person shouldn't be traveling with $2,500 in cash.
	I'd be uncomfortable.
	The next time we send soldiers over to some shithole country on the other side of the world to blow people up and break things in the name of freedom, well, this is the freedom we're apparently fighting for.
	Hope everybody's enjoying that.
	I'm really just depressed about the state of things.
	We'll hear the lightning up.
	Let's hear Ian Punnett call in.
	Coast to coast.
	Let's hope this works.
	Play.
	All right.
	Well, this is working out.
	Well, it was supposed to start playing.
	Come on.
	Live radio.
	How are you trying to play it?
	Come on.
	I don't claim to be an expert.
	You pressed the play button.
	I did.
	No, I didn't.
	No, I did.
	Come on.
	It's like Zeta.
	No.
	Ernest, we talk about one of Ian Punnett's favorite subjects: cryptozoology.
	Hey, Ian, double duty this weekend, huh?
	Exactly.
	Oh, thank you.
	Were you watching any of the soccer action?
	Yeah, I did in glimpses, but I'm more fascinated with Paul the octopus.
	Me too.
	He's picked Spain over the Netherlands, and he's not wrong.
	So, you know, off we go.
	Well, it was one of those little main surprises.
	We walk in the house.
	It looked like one great biggie room, and then you could break it up like that, and each one could have its own separate heat.
	And I think, wow, that's, you know, that's.
	Is this a really good driveway?
	That depends.
	You forgotten the Hoover.
	You know, you're not putting the dishes.
	And any of us who will keep going, just keep that shirt off with any reason at all to get it off.
	Exactly.
	This Saturday and Sunday.
	Coast to coast day out.
	George Norrie just sucks.
	He can't roll anything.
	There's no honesty in him.
	If I were doing that show, I would say right then and there, did anybody just hear what I heard?
	Wouldn't you play?
	Did anybody have any idea what's wrong with him?
	We're going to have to talk to him this weekend and find out what.
	I mean, that's just pretending the audience didn't hear what you heard.
	That's an insult to one's intelligence, as far as I'm sure.
	Is that where the term thread and the Hoover comes from?
	that's the best username on bill again Yeah.
	Somebody does have that, don't they?
	Yeah.
	It doesn't usually go into I knew someone named Hoover.
	I'll be back.
	I've got to answer the door.
	I think you should take us with you as you do that.
	Well, we know that could be a police officer knocking on the door.
	We did what you said.
	You don't have any money, man.
	Just say you don't have any money.
	Well, that was what I was going to say before I played that clip and failed miserably at having the volume on or up.
	Is that if you get pulled over and the first thing the officer says is how much money you have on you, maybe that's an okay time to roll your window up and drive away.
	Or at least just, I don't know, say no.
	I got 20 bucks for gas.
	I mean, I don't lie, man.
	I mean, it's the cops.
	Come on.
	Yeah, or ask how much do you need?
	And then when he says, you know, two grand, say, I'm sorry, I got 20 on me.
	Okay, I'm back.
	How much money did you give him?
	Well, you know, what it took.
	Okay, good.
	I gave them what it took.
	That's the right answer.
	And that's not necessarily money, by the way.
	You can render payment in any number of ways.
	So you are a pro-barter, is what you're saying.
	All of those ways result in one party being much happier at the end of it, the other being far more humiliated than he otherwise was.
	Well, humiliation isn't always how that ends.
	Satisfaction is not well done.
	Let's just say my self-esteem isn't exactly on the uptick.
	I can sense it.
	I can sense it in your voice.
	You just went down a couple notches there.
	Actually, this has been a really horrible day in a lot of ways.
	I mean, I found out I have a huge tax bill I have to pay.
	I don't mean to go Falky on everybody and open the curtain too far, but yeah, that's a lot of fun.
	GoFundReem.
	Yeah, go fund me.
	That's part of the problem.
	I made too much money.
	So stop it, people.
	Well, wasn't it raining today and you lost your rent check and you weren't really sure what to do?
	So you filed your taxes and get soaked in the rain, like walking home.
	My wife is about to be evicted from our home.
	There's nothing I can do about it.
	So what she's going to do is move in with you?
	Well, we're working on a solution.
	I'll report back.
	Just make sure the house is cat-friendly.
	Right.
	It just, the solution will involve her not living here.
	That's all I know.
	There will be bruising and crying.
	One of the funniest things I saw Falky say about his girlfriend's eviction was that her cats can come, but she can't.
	I know, I know, right?
	Isn't it sad that he has those little diamonds that are covered in all this coal?
	That's not interesting.
	Man, if he could just get to that quicker.
	So he has specifically said that she can't come live with him.
	But the cats can.
	Why can't she come live with him?
	No, she is moving in with him, isn't she?
	Yeah.
	I can't keep up with everything.
	I don't know.
	Well, I'm a little disappointed you'd show up to host this show without knowing what's happening in that thread, I gotta say.
	The last thing I heard on that thread was that Military Justice and Area 51 Drone and Falky are all going to be doing a podcast together.
	It's going to be produced by Fort Rock.
	Falky just posted something just like eight minutes ago that he's working on something with Nori and it's going to be very lucrative.
	Very lucrative.
	I like the earn is tens of dollars.
	Yeah.
	Falky will be paid in Doritos.
	I thought it was Cheetos.
	Some sort of processed chip.
	I can respect that.
	I get the feeling that George is playing with Falki's emotions.
	I think so.
	Isn't Falky going to fly or something to whatever location Nori is at?
	Or did I just misread something?
	There's something you mentioned that Nori's going to be speaking at.
	And I think Falki's under the impression that he's going to go there and do an interview with Nori.
	I don't know if Falki's paying his own way to get there or if Nori is supposedly paying his way.
	I don't know what to do.
	I don't keep up with him.
	I really don't know.
	Should we have a poll on whether we think Falkie's going to get the interview with George?
	I think that's more important than whether App Bell's coming back or not.
	Oh, definitely.
	I'm on the positive side on this one.
	I hope that when Falki finally gets to Nori and he's about to hold the microphone up to Norrie's face, he just suddenly drops his pants and starts exclaiming, Mommy said my PP makes me a bad boy and starts jumping all over the place.
	Is that George or the other George?
	It's George.
	Oh my God.
	YouTube is going to melt down tonight, you guys.
	Yeah.
	I'm trying to find the link to it, but there's in Cleveland, Ohio, there's a paranormal conference coming out that Norrie's going to be at.
	And I think for like $60, you can get a ticket to have dinner with him.
	$60.
	I think it's $30.
	Is it $30?
	It might have been.
	And to be honest, if he were coming to Raleigh and I could sit down for $30, I'd pay the $30.
	I would.
	I think I might too, just because.
	I'm pretty sure I could make the man cry before he walked out of the room.
	Oh, I'd pay $100 just to see you make him cry.
	Jesus.
	Wear GoPro cameras.
	So we see everything from your point of view during it.
	The thread be deleted.
	All of your votes register now.
	Go.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Wait.
	It shouldn't be deleted.
	It shouldn't make it to the new site for performance reasons.
	Well, I think I might set up a poll to find out what people officially think.
	I don't know.
	I just got to say I loved your response there, Jaz.
	It was so just the little 1% of energy there.
	Yeah.
	I just, you know, I have no problem.
	Well, how do I say this?
	I'm okay with Falki posting his stuff, but when he starts pitching his YouTubes and I wanted to do that on his own site.
	I'm tired of reading his shit and it'll be about being about him collecting money.
	You know, if you want to make your business, fine, make your business, do it on your own dime.
	I just okay, I'm done venting.
	I don't mind him collecting money.
	I didn't like him collecting money and then spending it on Apple products instead of his girlfriend's eviction fund.
	If he goes Apple products, he makes more money.
	You don't understand.
	If he was making more money, I wouldn't have a problem with this.
	I read that he was monetized.
	His YouTube videos are monetized.
	I have no idea what that means, but that's what he posted.
	I don't know.
	I mean, didn't he make like $32 so far or something crazy?
	That's crazy money.
	It is, man.
	You make that kind of money.
	You can do anything.
	I would just like to know what his thought process is when he talks about his number of subscribers and he mentions it being somewhere around like 102 or 103.
	And he says that as though it's a confirmation of something he's got three octave fart and Area 51 drone pumping sunshine up his ass so far that he believes them.
	And it really is a sad commentary on all three of them.
	Well, I happen to believe that Area 51 drone means everything he says.
	Now you stop.
	He's on the level.
	Really quick, you are right, Owen.
	$30 for the luncheon with George Norrie.
	It starts at 1.30, ends at 3.30.
	So for $30, I could make dreams happen.
	For $60, you can closet with them.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, only hate allowed.
	Put me down.
	Sign me up.
	There's one.
	That's my whole savings, though.
	I mean, I got to tell you, I've saved up for months now, and that's it.
	And I would put it all down just to a closet with the big noor on there.
	Trust me, I wonder if that's deductible.
	Would that help me with my tax issues?
	Probably.
	Because you're helping the disadvantaged.
	So I think it's fine.
	Yeah, go with it.
	It's like cars for kids, except it's cash for Nori.
	What do the kids do with the cars once they get them?
	Do they drive them?
	That's what I want to know.
	They do.
	Well, how else are they going to smuggle the drugs across the border without the cars and the kids?
	I just don't want to see some kid driving around in a 78 Volkswagen van.
	Hey, that's better than a 50-year-old man with a mullet.
	I'm sorry to any of our listeners that that describes them.
	Somehow I picture like 1978 Lincoln town cars.
	I don't know why, with little tiny children driving them.
	I don't know.
	Crossing the border.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Comes to mind.
	I don't know.
	Those are the safer cars to drive because you're in an accident.
	Yeah, you're not the one who's going to lose in that.
	That's real steal.
	So you're actually doing a positive thing.
	I'll donate my car today.
	See?
	Jasmine, do you want a car?
	Do you want a car for kids?
	I thought you were talking to me.
	You're talking this way.
	Do you want a car for kids?
	Car for kids.
	Okay.
	You have a future commercial star right there.
	Can she dance?
	Sing one, eight, seven, seven cars for kids.
	Even she's smart enough not to do that.
	Even she knows not to go down that road.
	All right.
	You know, I'm going to find that commercial and play it now, right?
	No, I can't do it.
	I can't do it to myself or you.
	I like you guys too much.
	I already posted it in a thread once.
	Well, you guys got anything else to talk about?
	If not, I'd say we've pretty much blown our wad here.
	Do you want to talk about the bell files a little bit or what that is or what the plans are there?
	Yeah, we were just talking about that before the show.
	We need to finalize our plans and get that episode out there as soon as possible just because the masses are demanding it.
	Yeah.
	I think it's going to be a wonderful show.
	I think it's going to have a lot of listeners.
	Based on what you guys have described that it is you're going to be doing.
	And I don't know if you've specifically articulated that to people yet or not.
	We should put it on YouTube.
	I agree.
	And it can make us money.
	Yeah.
	The problem is if you're playing clips of Art Bell shows that we got from YouTube.
	Yeah, possibly so.
	Yeah.
	That could pose a problem.
	That algorithm on YouTube that decides what infringes copyright and what doesn't, it is the dumbest thing ever.
	And it's designed to cause you trouble.
	It's not out there to help at all.
	I had a video that I filmed of my daughter when she was six months old.
	It's still on my YouTube channel.
	And in the video, we're at Walmart and she's looking at little dolls in the kids' toy section.
	And I spend about four minutes showing her different dolls, and she's laughing at each one I show her.
	But in the background, you can hear some stupid Walmart-esque country song playing, and because of that, the video was flagged for copyright infringement.
	And I had to jump through a whole bunch of hoops in order to alleviate that situation and or to rectify that situation.
	Speaking of YouTube, we've got a caller on the line here who may be.
	You fucking criminal.
	Yeah, that would be Shazam.
	That's the program they use.
	It's horrible.
	Caller, who is this?
	This is Chameleon.
	Hey.
	Oh, hey, man.
	How's it going?
	You would know if anybody does.
	Yeah, it's actually stifled a lot of video editors from sharing their stuff too.
	So, yeah, we're all aware of how what a thorn in YouTube side it is.
	Instead of YouTube just capitulating and yielding to all of this copyright law silliness, they ought to use their billions to lobby Congress to change the laws.
	They actually have enough dumped into it that they could afford to probably staff people to individually listen to every submission.
	Are all those people in India, though?
	They still, you know, they hear them jams.
	I don't know, but.
	Yeah, but then some poor guy in India's got to watch a folky video.
	That means when it comes to where they are and the level of karma that they need to get to, they know they need to keep working harder.
	Well, I was going to say, doesn't his videos bring that enlightenment?
	Aren't they saving them a few years?
	Maybe it balances out.
	It's even carmedically.
	I think it's karmically.
	No, go with what I said.
	It sounds, I feel it should be.
	It's car medically if you have a license.
	Or a cold sore.
	Yeah.
	Which probably should be watching folky videos, if so.
	I used to be addicted to the smell of Carmex.
	I would just hold that up to my face for several minutes at a time.
	I don't know how many brain cells were affected as a result, but always the ones with herpes, so you're probably good.
	So Shauna's going to call you guys right after me.
	That's cool.
	I know you guys, you know.
	Do you guys remember?
	Shauna, is that your girlfriend?
	Yeah.
	No, no, that was my friend from the opera.
	She's the opera singer from rather than me play outro music, will she sing us a song to end the show?
	You know, your negotiation skills may crack that stuff.
	Well, like I said earlier, my negotiation skills are, will this get Art Bell on the air?
	Of course.
	I mean, he knows we're all waiting for him.
	He knows we're excited.
	Curtis is a web developer, so clearly he knows how to negotiate with people.
	And I'm a video editor who has like 13,000 subscribers, so anything he wants put out, I will put out there.
	Why haven't we built the super team yet?
	I know.
	Like, they're all assembled, but we're just not in the same boardroom.
	All we need is Captain Planet, which is Art Bell, to join us, and then we can.
	It can unite our rings together.
	Yeah.
	But, yeah, totally.
	I just wanted to jump on here and say you guys are having a good show and that, you know, that the time is closer for Art getting on.
	That if he does want any kind of publicity free on the charge, he can hit me or you guys up and then to hit me up or whatever.
	We can just post on Bellgab, right?
	And talk to you.
	Yeah.
	Yep, yep.
	And I was going to tell you guys, yeah, that Shauna's going to be calling right after me.
	So anyway, good show, guys.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Sarah.
	Totally.
	Later.
	Yep, see ya.
	Have a good night.
	That's Chameleon 808.
	Who is really good?
	Yeah.
	Haven't we already hit out quite our fuzzies on the show?
	Who was it that Chameleon 808 had a big problem with?
	Was it Mr. Fidget?
	Yeah, I believe so.
	Yeah, they had a real tiff with one another.
	I thought I was when I had a problem with Fidget.
	You did too.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Who else?
	Started off that way, but I admit that I've changed my opinion.
	I'm willing to let somebody get a little trinket and you will bury your ass to anybody.
	Man, it's so shiny, though.
	I got a knockoff one, I didn't even get a real one.
	God damn.
	Curtis did it.
	And I got mine.
	I got mine just out of spite.
	Okay, here's our caller.
	Hello.
	Are you there?
	Hello, yes.
	So, Chameleon set this up that you're going to be able to give us an amazing song to end this.
	Oh, I don't know about an amazing song.
	No, I'm not even warmed up.
	What?
	Oh, well, no, just talk for a while and we'll work our way towards that.
	Oh, it worked well.
	Okay, here, I'd like you to sing after me.
	Let's do social media.
	Social.
	Do you know that song?
	Do you know that song?
	I don't.
	Well, be glad, actually.
	That's your own comfort.
	How are things down under?
	Now we've got two Aussies on here.
	How's the weather?
	Yeah, shit house.
	Absolutely shithouse.
	Like, it is raining.
	It has been just crappy.
	It was like really hot for a few days last week, and then it was like, oh, yeah, okay.
	And then the clouds came over and then suddenly, boom, thunderstorms.
	And it was like rain.
	That's what you said you live in at Perth, right?
	Yeah, at Perth, yeah.
	Okay, so that's the West Coast, right?
	Yeah, West Coast.
	The depressing thing about that is you just described the weather in Indiana.
	And you probably don't even know where Indiana is on the map.
	I'm hoping.
	I do.
	Nowhere, Indiana, roughly somewhere.
	Well, it's a bunch of corn, and that was our weather for last week, too.
	I like to think that there's some advantage you have over me when it comes to living in Australia.
	So it depresses me to hear that our weather matches up.
	Can I have a question?
	And I don't know why I've never availed myself of the opportunity to ask Jezmunda this.
	For some reason, with our caller from Perth on the line, I feel compelled to ask it now.
	The woman, the woman who claimed that a dingo ate her baby, what was the what how was the resolution to that?
	Was she charged with murder or what happened?
	Yeah, she was charged with murder and then she went to jail, but she was released and I believe exonerated of it years later.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Many years later, yeah.
	So what they found.
	They found a puddle, a pile of dingo crap with the baby's worker in it.
	I mean, what are they baby's garments and shit like that with like, you know, that were like taken away, her screaming and this kind of thing.
	And yeah.
	Say that again.
	I didn't hear all that.
	They found what they found the baby's like clothing, like all like, you know, dusty and dirty, taken away, plus like her story with the fact that she like, you know, the dingo stole her baby.
	And then that was the evidence, was like a nappy and like the like the onesie or whatever that the child was in.
	Now, I haven't actually gone to the effort to do a Google image search for what a dingo looks like, but it's a canine of some sort.
	Yeah, it's a wild dog with longer ears, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It can't be domesticated.
	They cannot be domesticated.
	I mean, if I get one of these things from birth, I can't domesticate it.
	Well, like, no.
	It will always be, it will always be a wild thing.
	It would take multiple generations of domestication attempts, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And crossing with domestic dogs and that kind of thing for you to be able to, yeah.
	And aren't they pretty much?
	I mean, they have done it.
	They've done it because there are like dingo crosses and that kind of thing that are domestic dogs.
	And Steve Irwin had one.
	I remember a video of Steve Irwin walking around with a dingo with him that was domesticated.
	But when you're him and you have the money he has, I'm sure you have a zoo as part of your family.
	It's probably easier to do.
	If you have all the money he has, you can easily go down to the dingo domestication shop anytime you want, purchase their services.
	And that's what rich people do, you know.
	And Dundee down there will get it for you.
	So why does such a vicious animal, though, have this cute name Dingo?
	Oh, well, I think it's like an Aboriginal name.
	I'm not 100% sure.
	Probably.
	Probably means something, something else.
	You know, the kangaroo means, you know, what do you mean?
	Or what are you asking?
	Because that was like apparently the first thing that white settlers asked Aboriginals as they were, you know, asking them what a kangaroo was and what that animal was.
	And they said kangaroo.
	And like, I don't know, it's supposed to mean that, you know, what do you mean?
	Like, what are you saying?
	And that was right before I kicked him in the head.
	Yeah.
	So let me ask you this.
	Is the relationship between the descendants of settlers and the descendants of Aboriginals is it sort of analogous to the relationship between blacks and whites in this country as far as the tensions that exist between the two groups?
	Oh my God, there is so much tension.
	Like, but it's not because, like, it's not because of, I don't know, okay, let me just say as be racist as possible, like, not because of anything of white people per se, but it's just the, I don't know, some of them.
	There is a small minority here that get blown out of proportion in the media, as, you know, does everything, that they, you know, woe is me because of the stolen generation.
	I'm not sure if you know about the stolen generation.
	Yes?
	No?
	No.
	They wouldn't.
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, like, quick summary, basically.
	Is this like something we should dedicate a whole episode to?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I can just quickly summarize.
	Basically, they were just trying to breed out Aboriginals and breed out that race.
	So they had mapped it all out that they took all the kids from all of the other tribes and stuff around.
	This was like in the 50s and 60s.
	At the same time, we're trying to get it.
	Wow.
	And it took like some like six to eight generations for it to like be completely bred out, so to speak.
	And that's what they were going to do.
	And then so like now, like the prime minister apologized a few years ago, and but still they're all like, woe is me, right, right.
	I love it when some prime minister or some president steps out to apologize for some sort of generational oppression that existed over the span of a really long period of time.
	I mean, that always makes a lot of sense.
	No, no, obviously, like, well, obviously it wasn't, you know, the best thing to have done and that kind of thing.
	And we pay through the nose.
	Like, the Aboriginals, like, you, okay, over here, for example, you can be getting benefits from the government for whatever reason, be it you don't have a job or you're studying or whatever, or you're a single mum or blah, blah, blah.
	You know, a range of things.
	But if you are Aboriginal and any of those, you get like so much more money.
	It is ridiculous.
	Like, I could just be like, oh, yeah, I'm an Aboriginal and therefore I can get like a new car, a new holding, I don't know, SS Commodore.
	Fuck.
	And like, that's like 40 grand, 50 grand, or whatever.
	You mean it?
	It is literally that simple.
	If I can say that I'm Aboriginal, I can literally get it.
	No, no, like you have to, you have to have been born here.
	Like, apparently, apparently, I'm not 100% sure.
	Apparently, white people that have been here for enough and like a certain amount of generations can claim Aboriginal status, even though they're not technically Aborigines.
	I don't know about that.
	Well, it's like in America, you can become a senator by saying you're Native American.
	Just other people that are like, oh, yeah, yeah, I've claimed that I can, you know, I can get Aboriginal status.
	And I was like, oh, yeah, really?
	How is this?
	Basically, any form that you fill out, any official form you fill out, there is a question on there.
	Are you an Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander?
	Which is also.
	Yeah.
	But I don't know about being able to claim Aboriginal.
	Oh, no, no.
	You have to, like, on every one of those forms that you've ever signed and blah, blah, blah, you have to have put that you were an Aboriginal and you have to claim it like completely and utterly for that to happen.
	And there has to be like a full screening process and all that other bullshit.
	But no, I know you're like two or three payments go on a car and then they've just got it at the end of it.
	I think both you and Jasmunda should have a mud wrap match right now.
	Whether it's true or not.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, I want to jump topics because if I remember right, when you called in the first time, you didn't even, you had really limited exposure to Art Bell, right?
	Yes, yes.
	Yes, I have still have had limited.
	I have like at least been going on the bellgab.com and shit and looking at the forums and people's feeds.
	And what do you think of it now after weeks of getting involved in it?
	Oh, okay.
	So like for over the last weekend of it, I haven't really looked at it, but I did after I like watched the show.
	And then there was another show in between that I missed that I really wanted to call up and listen to, but I missed all that.
	So I missed everything that happened there.
	He's talking specifically about the forum itself at Bellgab.
	Oh, oh, or all of it together.
	I mean, hello.
	What do you think of it?
	I mean, you can mash it all together.
	Oh, no, it's good.
	Yeah, I mean, I think it's funny.
	Like, I would like Art Bell to come back and make more shows because they just seem like, I mean, like, I would like to do prank calls and stuff.
	Like, Cam does a whole lot of these prank calls.
	I think so.
	And, like, things like that.
	Like, having a line open for like random people to call up.
	Is it just me or is her connection atrocious?
	Yeah.
	In and out, and someone in the bathroom running water.
	What's going on?
	Yeah, that's me getting water for like.
	I was going to say, that's not me.
	I'm not in the bathroom doing anything, but yeah, my connection probably is atrocious.
	Have you come up with a good song to take us out on?
	Maybe the national anthem?
	No.
	No.
	So, like, didn't think of one the entire time.
	Like, I can't even.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Like, why would you want me to, like, sing you out?
	Sing, sing under the sea from Little Mermaid.
	Under the sea.
	Under the sea.
	Life would be something.
	You like Disney songs, do you?
	Well, I do what I can.
	Sing the neighbors theme song.
	The what?
	Neighbors.
	You know, the TV show.
	Oh, neighbors.
	No, I'm not singing neighbors.
	You hit a nerve.
	No way.
	Oh, neighbors.
	Home away neighbors.
	Fucking.
	I'm really curious to hear your answer to that question earlier because you have no history or past listening to Art Bell at all.
	So I wonder what it must be like for you to read Bellgab and not know.
	Yeah, because I don't really know.
	Like, so like some of it I'm like, whoosh, it just goes straight over my head.
	And I'm like, yeah, that I mean, I can, like, aesthetically, that sounds funny.
	But like, obviously, everyone else is like lolling so much harder.
	And clearly, there's like a whole backstory that I don't know.
	So you need to get onto the YouTube.
	Okay, there's this website.
	It's called YouTube.
	And you need to just put Art Bell.
	Some shows and just dive in, man.
	Oh, yeah, okay.
	I will.
	Yeah, next time you call in, we need to hear of all the episodes you've listened to in that time, what your favorite one so far is.
	All right, I will.
	And on that work for next week, wait, is it going to be next week?
	Because, like, last time last time I called up, I was like prepared for the next week's show, and then there wasn't one.
	Yeah, every other week.
	So, a week from Tuesday for us, which you live in the future, right?
	Yeah, yeah, I'm in the future.
	So, it's like we do like to play harder to get.
	That's true.
	Can you tell us how our next episode is going to sound since you are in the future?
	I mean, is our next episode a good one?
	Yeah, it is.
	Yeah, it is.
	I just want to make sure.
	Yeah, yeah, it's super funny, full of a whole lot of people in the chat.
	You know, that wasn't our show.
	You were listening to something different.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so my daughter asked me for a glass of water so that she could pour it on the floor and spread it with her hands.
	Great.
	On that note.
	Oh, there you go.
	Yep.
	That's good.
	I'm surprised you didn't see that coming.
	Yep.
	I think your daughter called it.
	I should beat her with a rolled-up newspaper the same way I would so that I could domesticate that dingo.
	I'm reliably informed that you're not going to be able to domesticate.
	I'm sorry.
	AMP, what happened to your hand?
	Oh, mine.
	The dingo took my hand.
	Prove it.
	Prove it.
	Years later, they'll find my ring in the woods and be like, oh, yeah, that dude was telling the truth.
	Mad Mae Markham will find it and say, I really should have called into that podcast.
	I should have listened to Fearless One.
	You guys have a good night.
	Yep.
	Thanks, everybody.
	Thanks, guys.
	Hi, Easy.
	Thank you.

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