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11 November, 2014

11 November, 2014 ---------- On this episode, we talk about the drama surrounding Art Bell's firing and subsequent rehiring of webmaster Keith Rowland.

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Guess I can take my gum out of my mouth.
Hey, everybody, this is the Gabcast.
Thanks for joining us.
I'm going to warn everybody right off the bat.
I'm suffering quite the affliction tonight.
I have food poisoning.
I don't know what from.
Not that you would care as the listener.
It made such a difference in my listening experience when I found out it was from burritos as opposed to corned beef hash.
So, yeah, I'm kind of not really with it.
And I've been up since 3.30 in the morning, and I'm running on pretty much no sleep, and I'm in constant pain.
And so, if you hear what could only be described as a fountain sound emanating from behind me, I don't know, you might have some clues as to what that is.
That's just something I'm putting out there.
Anyway, it's the GabCast.
I'm MV.
Eddie Dean's here.
What's up, brother?
What's up, man?
How you doing?
Jezmunda?
Hey, guys.
And of course, that would be B-W.
You hear maniacally laughing there.
Tackling in the background.
Yeah, I think, God, it's been a long time since I did this show.
I think the last time, was the last time I did the show when Art was on?
Yeah, it was about this time last year, I believe.
Yeah.
So here I am.
I'm not doing the spec sheet with Curtis anymore because he can't do the show anymore.
That and, oh yeah, he's dead to me, that too.
So those issues combined with one another to really just kill the spec sheet.
No, Curtis and I are fine.
But he can't do the show anymore.
So what am I going to do?
You know, what am I going to just not do a podcast?
So here I am.
Thank you.
I hope it's a pleasurable experience for some of you.
It won't be for some others.
I understand not everybody likes me.
Did you know that, guys?
I am not universally liked.
Really?
It's something I found out about three weeks ago.
I learned this.
I understand the people with cleft palettes are particularly non-farm to be.
Well, if you want to be on the show tonight, we'll be more than happy to take your calls.
And I'm going to have to pull up the old phone number here because I don't know it by heart.
It's 623-242-CAST.
That's 623-242-CAST or 2278 for the last four numbers there, if you want it to be a little simpler.
623-242-2278 if you want to be on the show tonight.
Well, there's certainly a lot to talk about.
There's no doubt about that.
The most obvious thing on the list would be the Art Bell drama of the last week.
I guess it's been about a week or so.
How many days has it been since this all went to hell in a handbasket?
Art Bell, I think it's, I sent out a mass email to everybody.
And anyone who's a Bellgab member can go check their inbox to see the link that points you directly to the actual post where the shit storm started on Bellgab.
And it all started with somebody innocently saying, hmm, artbell.com seems to be showing me advertisements instead of artbell.com.
And from there, we learned that essentially the domain name had been pointed to a parked page.
It was just parked somewhere and displaying ads.
And then it came out, what was that?
Was it the next day Art Bell posted his message on Facebook?
Essentially.
I think it was.
Yeah, essentially saying that he's parted ways with Keith Rowland.
Wow.
By the way, Neuropathy in the chat room at UFOShip.com says my mic is too hot.
You are a little hot.
Oh, thank you, sir.
I didn't know that you realized that.
I'll bring a little bit more.
He realized it, but my senses are so dulled by the viral plague coursing through my veins that really I think you could do armpit farts into the mic right now, and I'd be like, good point.
I wish I had your sound.
You know, if you could do the George Norrie soundboard during the show, I don't know if you still have everything set up to be able to do that, but that would be nice for you to just drop that in at the appropriate locations, even though you're not running the board anymore.
Eddie Dean's being demoted.
Yeah, I do have the ability to do that.
I'm going to get a game fast, but I'm still actually on the GabCast, so I'm not sure how that works.
I think my tank contract forbids you from firing me completely from the show.
But yeah, I can set up the soundboard.
Okay, good.
You made a lateral transition.
Well, actually, actually, it's an improvement for Eddie because he doesn't have to worry about any of this technical crap anymore.
He can just plug a mic in and do the show.
He doesn't have to worry about it.
Can everybody hear one another?
Oh, Jasmunda, did you move slider three into position six?
B-dub, are you hearing both of us?
Okay, we're looping.
Okay, so now he doesn't have to worry about any of that stuff anymore.
Convenient excuse.
So anyway, Art Bell's website goes down.
Next thing you know, there's a message being posted on Art Bell's Facebook page, which, you know, I really should have that post handy to be able to go ahead and read it, but I don't.
Do either of you have that handy to be able to read that?
Jasmunda is usually pretty good about reading stuff off of Bell Gab.
At a moment, he's right to it at the moment.
He can use his voice.
One of the funny things about the ads that were on the artbell.com website when it was parked was there was an ad for George Norrie and an ad for a link to Coast to Coast AM.
So he inadvertently was doing their work for them.
Well, I just pulled up Art Bell's Facebook.
Okay, so okay.
The Dark Matter Network was established as a forum to showcase new talent and as a place where, after my two-year non-compete was done in July of next year, that I could begin streaming live.
It was run by Keith Rowland and, of course, an alternative to Coast.
In the last few days, I began getting emails from many of you who could not believe that one of the talk hosts on Dark Matter was invited to do a guest host gig on Coast to Coast AM.
This was done, I am sure, to irritate me, which it did.
However, the straw that broke the camel's back was that Keith did not have the courtesy to call me.
When I called him, his response was, don't worry, he will stay on Dark Matter and Coast.
At that point, I decided to pull my webpage and asked Keith to remove my name from the site.
This is not about Jimmy Church.
I wish him all the luck in the world.
This is about trust and relationships.
Where this leaves me in terms of where I can stream a show now is an open question.
What I do know is I have to be able to trust the people I work with.
Your analysis, gentlemen.
Well, I think the relationship or the communication between Art Bell and Keith Rowland needs to sort of improve a little bit because it seems like they're not in communication at all.
You know, is art running, you know, is art running Dark Matter Network?
Is Keith running it?
What's the deal here?
Who's got control?
I get the impression that Keith does, and Art just sort of sits back and doesn't have a whole lot to do with it.
Well, didn't Art divorce himself from that whole thing because of fears or because of the non-compete through SiriusXM?
Well, according to Keith Rowland, it was because I'm a terrorist.
I mean, that was what he said.
He said it was because of my terrorist statement during the spec sheet that Art decided to remove the network from his website and Keith had to.
He did qualify that assertion by saying that it was going to eventually happen anyway, but that it happened way earlier than it was supposed to because of me.
Which I never bought.
It's convenient.
Nice things.
So, yeah, I don't really get the impression that Art has a whole hell of a lot to do with running the operation.
I think if he did, he would have.
I mean, look how many people over at Bellgab knew what was up with Jimmy Church and what his plans were to go broadcast, do a show on Coast.
Look how many people.
Have any of you guys actually.
Look how many people knew about that.
People that are completely out of the loop and Art himself didn't know.
I find that strange.
I think Art found out through probably people messaging him on Facebook saying why the hell is Jimmy Church going on Coast to Coast?
And that's probably where he first found out about it.
Well, he said himself that that was where he found out.
What were you going to say, Eddie?
Have any of you guys actually listened to Jimmy Church show?
Peter Black.
I heard him for the first time when he was on Coast the other night.
And I just didn't even actively listen.
I found the subject.
I don't know if it was him.
He seemed like a competent host, but the subject matter I found entirely uninteresting.
And I couldn't bring myself to actively listen.
The only thing I was listening for, as was the case with, I think, the majority of people who did listen, were the phone calls, which never came because they never opened up the phone lines.
I think that's probably the first time in the entire history of that show that they've gone the entire stretch without a phone call.
Am I wrong there?
They usually do have phone calls in the fourth hour, don't they?
Even with the hosts that sit in on the weekends.
Yeah, I mean, I can remember, at least back in Art's day, I can remember calls after the first commercial break in many instances.
So, yeah, that was the first time I've seen that happen.
Are you surprised that there weren't any calls?
Well, I am really, actually.
I mean, if you're bringing this guy in and you're sort of assessing him for whatever potential future he might or might not have with Coast to Coast AM and Premiere Radio, you'd think you'd want to kind of see how he's going to handle that sort of thing.
I mean, if you know that that was the next thing after Art's message, he, well, I'm getting ahead of myself.
If you know that Art put the call out there for people to ring up Jimmy Church during the show and promote the Dark Matter Radio Network and essentially promote Art Bell, I don't know.
I mean, I would think that you would want to see how the host is going to handle that sort of thing.
I mean, if you're on a radio show and you're talking into a microphone and hundreds of thousands of people are, note that I deliberately said hundreds of thousands, not millions, of people are hearing you, you're going to have to handle certain things.
You're going to face certain adversity.
You're going to have to know how to handle that as a host.
Some of that is being pranked.
Ever heard of Bobby Bowie?
Bobby Bowie.
Baba Bowie?
Babba Buoy.
You know, hosts have been dealing with problems on the phone line since there have been hosts and phone lines.
So you'd think that they would want to sort of see how he's going to handle that sort of thing.
But clearly, there's a lot of fear over there.
Do you think that was Jimmy Church's call, or do you think that was Premier's call or Clear Channel to not take calls?
I would suspect Jimmy Church doesn't have a whole lot of say in much of anything as far as what it is he does over there.
Wouldn't you?
Really?
Yeah.
I mean, I get that impression about George Norrie himself.
I don't get the, and I said this before, whenever you would sort of like assess Art Bell's relationship with the network, you felt like you're viewing, you're looking at an authority figure.
You're looking at somebody who tells people how things are going to be.
Whereas when you look at George, I get this vibe of I'm looking at an employee who does what he's told.
And I mean, if I see George that way, I mean, you can imagine how I see Jimmy Church filling in for the first time on a Sunday night.
No.
I would think that it would be the host's call if he's going to take calls or not, but that doesn't leave out the possibility that, you know, an email came to Jimmy or word got to Jimmy saying you are not going to take calls, you know, when you host on Sunday.
Probably because of the call to arms by Art on Bellgab and on Facebook.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, so the next thing that happens is everybody sees this post from Art Bell, and it looks like the relationship between both he and Keith Rowland after, what, two decades has come to an end.
And the next thing Art posts on his Facebook is, please note I did not in any way stop Dark Matter Network or their website.
That can continue if Keith wishes.
I only pulled myartbell.com.
There are many things I might do in this lifetime, but share any business with Coast is not one of them.
Here's what I don't get.
If Art Bell paid Keith, whether it was directly or if it was indirectly through ad revenues when Dark Matter was on Sirius, however that happened, I don't know, but he was paid, whatever that mechanism was.
And so you own the content on the website at that point.
Why are you pulling your content down?
I mean, okay, if you fire your webmaster, I get that, but why are you shutting down your entire website, your whole operation?
I mean, talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
That didn't make any sense to me.
Well, that was the easy option, I think.
Easy in what way?
Easy that Art doesn't actually run the website.
I don't think he would know how to take the ads down or stop the ads from sending revenue Keith's way.
He's not going to obviously sit there and put up his own articles every day.
Back off the mic a little bit there.
It was just easier for him to just shut it down, shut down shop, and that's it.
But there are a gazillion web developers.
I mean, B-Dub, I'm sure he would have been interested in a gig with Art Bell.
Curtis Thornton, he would have been interested in a gig with Art Bell.
There are a gazillion people out there that you could go to.
I mean, does that mean art is attached at the hip to Keith Rowland from now until eternity?
I don't get that.
It just didn't make any sense to me.
Okay, your relationship with this guy who threw up a simple, really, it's just a WordPress installation.
There's nothing really that fantastic about it.
It's pretty unremarkable.
I think I could have put together what Keith Rowland put together on artbell.com, and I don't have any real web skills of note whatsoever, but I think I could have put that together.
But I guess my point is, I don't understand why, I just don't get why shut the website down.
I mean, I get that your relationship fell apart with this guy, but I mean, it just seems to me there's like a there's like a schizophrenic approach to things going on right now that doesn't make any sense to me at all.
It seems fickle and mercurial and just when people, when there's this much butthurt in a situation, people stop acting rationally.
I think art has got some serious trust issues.
I never really understood why everything was such a huge deal.
I don't know.
Like I said, I don't understand why Jimmy Church is on the air.
I don't understand why we're talking about this.
I don't understand why, yeah, I just, why art would get so emotional about something like that.
I just don't understand it.
Well, he was clearly pissed off for whatever reason because he wasn't notified that Jimmy was going to do a one-time deal on Coast.
It's not like the dude's under contract, right?
Yeah, that's another thing that really struck me: why is he basically working for free, right?
It's beyond basically.
He is working for free.
Beyond, I mean, yeah, okay, he might be getting some recognition because of who he's hitching his wagon to here that he otherwise wouldn't have gotten, but he's not getting a paycheck.
At least I don't think he is.
So, why is he obligated to?
I mean, this is what I was saying on Bellgab.
I just think if you're working in radio or you at least demonstrate some interest in working in radio, and suddenly you're offered a hosting gig on a radio show that's nationally syndicated, covers the same genre that you're already talking about on your little internet radio show.
It's syndicated on almost 600 radio stations, supposedly.
And you're going to get paid.
In what universe do you not do that?
I just don't understand that.
I mean, I mean, ethics, whatever.
I don't know what the ethical concerns really are.
I mean, people are talking about, oh, Jimmy Church is looking out for number one.
Well, who isn't?
Look around.
Everyone's looking out for number one.
I mean, I could sit here for the next 10 minutes listening to examples of shit that I've seen people do that's clearly nothing more than looking out for number one from a lot of people.
And I just don't know why he's being held to that standard that he shouldn't go host Coast.
I don't really think.
And furthermore, I mean, look at what just happened here.
Look at the sudden, abrupt, schizophrenic nature of this whole thing and the way it was all shut down.
If I were on that Dark Matter Radio network, I wouldn't at all be confident that that thing's even going to be there in July 2014 or that Art's even going to be there.
Or if he is, that he's even going to be there that long.
I don't know after watching how all this went down, I'm less convinced now than ever that Art's even coming back or that if he does, he'll be there long.
Yeah.
I agree.
So knowing all of that and having all those, I mean, if you're a thinking person and you're observing what's happening around you, why wouldn't you take the Coast gig?
I mean, that just makes total sense.
I mean, let's see.
I can be heard by hundreds of thousands of people on almost 600 radio stations and get paid.
Or I can be heard on an obscure internet radio stream by an average of 700 people and get paid nothing for it.
I mean, you'd have to think that the goal of any paranormal podcaster out there is to get on to Coast.
I mean, say what you will about Coast and where it's gone.
It is the only paranormal, you know, 500 station plus whatever they've got these days.
Show, why is it that is the goal to get to as a paranormal podcaster?
So, yeah, he's taken the opportunity.
Why not?
I'd do it.
Yeah, as would I.
I think you're right.
I mean, that is in the back of the minds of anyone who's hosting a paranormal podcast.
They're thinking, hey, maybe the right people will hear me, and maybe I'll wind up hosting Coast one day.
I think you're thinking that if you're hosting a podcast, I mean, I mean, how many people make any money from a podcast?
I mean, probably barely any.
So if he's got a chance to make some money.
Go ahead, Jazz.
You go ahead.
Go ahead, goddammit.
Podcasting is becoming a huge moneymaker, you know, but you have to have name recognition.
You know, a lot of comedians have their podcasts.
And I mean, they're making billions.
But people like us.
They made a big before then, though.
And then with podcasting, Jimmy Church is Jimmy Church.
Well, I don't know.
Mark Marin had a career before podcasting, but I don't know if his career really didn't take off until he started his podcasting show.
But yeah, he definitely had a career prior to.
Yeah, I think that's the case.
I mean, if you look at all the biggest podcasts out there, the overwhelming majority of those people already had some sort of gig before that that really got their name out there and really made people aware of them.
Wow, we got a lot of listeners tonight.
The hell's up with that?
Yeah, the chat room is.
I swear to God, I kind of, the Shoutcast server is maxed out.
I swear to God, I forgot we were even on the air.
You know, that is how sick I am.
I just got to this point where I just felt like I was just sort of having a conversation and mumble.
Everything works.
Okay, see you next week.
Yeah, do you need me to call 911, send the paramedics over?
Let's just say the juices are flowing, and if I run out of bounty towels, yes, there will be an issue.
I could revert to the sponge, but I'd prefer the best.
Are you wearing adult diapers?
Well, let's just say absorption is taking place.
Let's just leave it with that.
So then Art goes on his Facebook and he posts, okay, good news, Keith.
And this was just, I'm still reading this, scratching my head with my eyes like squinting as I look at the screen.
Okay, good news.
Keith and I have worked out our problems.
It was a simple matter of lack of communication.
Jimmy Church will indeed go on coast as a one-time thing.
And they've said that he will be able to promote the Dark Matter Network as much as he wants.
This is great news because it's where my new home is in July.
By the way, I'll be doing my thing from 9 p.m. to 12 a.m. Pacific, which I believe the time for his new show in July to the slot.
I think it's been cut back an hour.
Is that right?
It was going to be 9 to 1 p.m. to 1 a.m.
So now we're 9 to 1 a.m.
Which you can understand for someone of Art's age.
Well, but still 11 p.m. to 2 a.m. Central Time.
I mean, that's fine by me.
And it's, you know, it's overlapping with the first two hours of Coast.
So that's going to be a lot of people.
I think that was his goal, I would say.
That's going to get up in their grill a little bit.
But I'm just not sure it's ever really going to happen.
That's my thing.
I'm sitting here talking about this like we have such a history to look back on to feel confident that this is really going to happen, but we really don't.
I got to say, I was.
And I saw a couple other people sort of echo this sentiment on the forum, but I was kind of glad when I saw that art was parting ways with Keith Rowland.
I think he's fine for the technical aspects of whatever it is that Art needs to have done where his online presence is concerned.
But it's gone beyond that, where he's commenting on the things that are being done on the podcasts that air on the Dark Matter Radio Network, like that Mallard guy.
Remember, he was out at a funeral or something, and so his wife filled in for him on the show.
And then Keith Rowland goes out and tweets something to the effect of, hey, that show really was a smelly pile of shit, wasn't it?
Well, sorry about that.
Maybe next time.
I mean, that's not obviously verbatim, but it was just utter and complete passive aggressiveness.
I can't imagine any universe in which it's appropriate to go out and publicly communicate to the world your disappointment with what it is that happened on one of the shows that air on your network, as opposed to just communicating directly with the person with whom you have a problem.
And then the other night during, there have been several other things.
I've had dealings with Keith Rowland, and I found him not to be a pleasurable man to deal with.
And during the Jimmy Church appearance on Coast the other night, Keith Rowland goes on Twitter and publicly comments that he's a little annoyed at the number of times that Church announced his Coast to Coast AM email address.
I mean, either you're going to work with the guy and he's going to be a part of your network and you're going to have a harmonious relationship and move forward, or you're not.
But going out and henpecking people publicly like that just shows a real lack of social awareness.
And frankly, I think if you're going to continue working with the guy, you should just shut your face.
Otherwise, get rid of him.
But don't go out and start henpecking people like that when they're doing you a favor just as much as you're doing them any sort of a favor.
I mean, Jimmy Church is at the very least providing arguably listenable content for Dark Matter Radio Network.
I mean, I'm not going to.
Go ahead.
I didn't mean to interrupt your.
Oh, you did, but it's okay.
Where did this I'm sitting in for Art Bell?
Where did that come from as far as Jimmy Church's show?
I mean, did he start that whole thing on the first show?
Or whatever show it was?
Does he continue to say that?
If anybody in the chat room or anybody knows about that, then post it.
Because I've only listened to one of his shows.
So I don't really know that much about the guy.
But that always baffled me.
And people on Bellgab, I think, are making fun of that too.
Well, Eddie, I've been meaning to tell you this for a while, but I find that you're pretty easy to baffle.
So I hate to be the one to tell that to you, but it's true, in my opinion, at least.
In other words, he's saying you're a stupid, stupid man.
It's my entirely disagree that he came up with that.
So I have no idea what the origins of the Art Bell seat warmer thing are where Jimmy Church is.
I have no idea where that started.
Like I said, I had never heard the guy until I heard his show on Coast the other night.
It's the first time I've ever even heard the guy's voice.
The only things I know about him are things that I see people typing on Bellgab.
But for that form, I wouldn't even know the guy exists.
I mean, literally.
I'd have no idea he was breathing.
I'm the same way.
I listened to one show early on, and I think it was when the Astro guy went on and was talking about, I don't know what he was talking about, but that's the only time I've actually listened to an entire Jimmy Church show for Fade to Black.
If I were Keith Rowland, I would be just sort of feeling like, man, this can all come crashing down anytime.
I would feel like I would be, I don't know, I would just have no confidence in the future of my relationship with this guy.
Just seeing how things went the other night, how these how all of this was communicated to everybody publicly by Art Bell.
Like just on a casual whim.
Yeah.
Everything just got torn down.
Yeah, I mean, I certainly wouldn't be quitting a job or moving to in order to accommodate whatever future I supposedly have working for Art Bell if I were Keith Rowland.
And I don't think this thing's done, by the way.
I think there's more fireworks.
Yeah, I think that's one of the more interesting aspects of all of this.
I don't think that we've seen the end of it.
I think Jimmy Church ultimately is going to wind up being a regular host on Coast to Coast AM.
And I'm really interested to see what's going to happen in terms of the relationship between Art and Keith whenever that does happen.
Well, you know, I think Keith would rather get rid of Church off of the network than sour his relationship with Art any further.
Well, yeah, I mean, of course.
Without art, who's Keith Rowland?
I mean, would any of us?
Hey, there's some famous neckbeard in Arizona.
No, some famous neckbeard with Asperger's in Arizona.
Oh, he's really well known.
Why?
I don't know.
He's just, he's great with Linux.
I would agree.
No, it's because of his association with Art Bell.
I mean, if you look at his resume, pretty much everything funnels into that.
Without that, there's not a whole lot.
So I would be pretty sure that Keith Rowland's going to do whatever Keith Rowland has to do in order to maintain that relationship.
But I really, again, I have to say, I was quite happy when I saw that the relationship was going to be ending because I think Keith Rowland has some real problems communicating with people in a public fashion.
I don't think he has any business being a part of Art Bell's public communications mechanism.
I think Art should either be doing that on his own or he should have a publicist who knows how to communicate with other people without coming off as condescending, frustrated, short, and impatient.
I think Jazz Munda should be Art Bell's publicist.
He'd be a fine publicist.
He'd be a fine publicist.
He would be great, yeah.
Jazz, you should push up your resume and win it all over.
Yeah, I like to get paid in real dollars.
This whole thing started because the communication between Art and Keith in regards to what Jimmy was doing on Coast to Coast was non-existent.
So what's going to happen now if Jimmy takes, with Art knowing what's happening now, what happens now if Jimmy takes a role, a permanent sort of fill-in role with Coast?
Does he get booted from the network?
And why should Jimmy Church care if he does, though?
I guess that's my point.
I mean, I have to say what I don't care about Jimmy Church.
I couldn't give a shit about what happens to Jimmy Church.
No, I'm saying, I'm saying Jimmy Church himself, why should he care if they remove him from Dark Matter what?
I mean, I've got a network radio gig, baby.
Yeah, he wouldn't care.
He's hit the big time, so to speak, in the paranormal podcast.
Well, so part of the big time.
So what do you think you get paid for one night of hosting Coast to Coast?
Tens of dollars by grand.
I mean, what do you think that pays?
Man, I have no idea.
Five grand?
Five grand?
What do they call that?
In the entertainment business, they call it scale.
Per hour scale.
I'm not sure how they pay on radio, but I think that, you know, maybe a couple hundred, maybe a couple thousand.
I don't know.
I really have no idea.
I'm just pulling numbers out of the way.
It's somewhere between zero and five trillion dollars.
A handsy from Tommy.
Yeah, a blood jump from Nori.
Well, that sounds like a tempting offer.
I might get back into radio if I can get that kind of payment.
Well, we know that he does suck, so.
So, and then as I look at looking at Art's posts on Facebook here, don't forget Sunday night, Jimmy Church will be on coast promoting Dark Matter Network.
You might call in to help him.
It's a one-time deal, so let's make it good.
That was sort of a...
There was a message there, wasn't there?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, well, I guess Art Bell doesn't read Sun Tzu's Art of War.
You know, one of the first rules is don't tell your enemy what you're about to do.
Rule number two, clean socks.
And then he posts on Belgab, his first post on the forum in, I think, since February.
And I'm going to pull that up and read it just for the three people in the chat room who haven't already read it themselves.
Assuming everybody already has seen this.
He says, if any group can manage to storm the phone lines, it's this group.
Help promote Dark Matter Network by sneaking in a Dark Matter Network owns the night.
Just remember when you get the screener, say, I love George Norrie.
Yeah.
So the network has to have seen that message.
They have to have seen the messages Art posted on Facebook.
And I'm entirely confident that they probably communicated to Jimmy Church in some way or another, hey, there aren't going to be any phone calls on the show tonight.
And he dutifully obliged.
Hi, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hey, it's Playing Boy Sunset.
What's going on?
You have to excuse me if I don't.
You have to excuse me if I don't explode with trumpets and fanfare.
There's not a whole lot that I feel very enthusiastic about right now.
Oh, that's okay.
I wasn't expecting to be able to call it.
I can't hear the caller.
By the way, Mr. Carrick, you can't hear the caller, huh?
Okay.
How about now?
Do you hear her now?
I don't know.
Can you hear me now?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Sorry.
Go ahead, Pony.
No, that's okay.
I wasn't expecting trumpets and fanfare.
Well, unfortunately, all you're going to get is a used roll of bounty and a toilet that's being flushed every five minutes or so.
Well, and this is what I missed.
Man, nothing ever changes.
I don't know what it is with me.
I mean, yeah, it is.
I mean, the last time I had a massive case of As Fountain, it was it about this time last year as well.
Although that was after a trip to Morocco, and it was far worse than anything that's befallen me this time.
Foreign viruses really just not a good thing.
Anyway, what's going on?
What is it?
To what do we owe the pleasure of your presence tonight?
Oh, hey, I'm just going to chime in on this Art Bell thing.
I think, and several of the people and I, we all think it's publicity.
Like, we think they're testing the waters to see, you know, if anybody's interested in him coming back, like I said in the chat room, I listen to what I want.
I'm not stuck with whatever's on terrestrial anymore, which is great.
But, yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I mean, I understand the thought process behind that analysis, but I'm not so sure.
Oh, I've got my Skype sounds enabled.
I'm not so sure.
I agree.
I mean, if you're going to go about what do you think?
She's saying that she thinks the whole thing was a PR stunt.
What?
By Art's part?
Yeah.
That doesn't work, operate that way.
I don't think that's true from what I've seen of him.
Yeah, I don't get the impression that that's.
I don't know.
That analysis doesn't really have the ring of truth to me.
I think what seems like too much thinking.
Yeah.
I think what happened was what we saw.
Yeah.
That's what I'm inclined to believe.
Art was pissed, and he took his ball and went home.
Basically.
Exactly.
So I guess I'm kind of curious.
Do you guys think Art Bell's going to be back on in front of a microphone in July 2015?
Yeah, I do.
For about six weeks.
I mean, are you being sarcastic me time, or do you really think it's just going to be a quick little song?
You know, I don't know.
I think at this point, if he comes back, he has to come back in earnest, and he has to make a real attempt because otherwise his swang song will be a fucking wet fart, and that would be tragic.
He's got to make a role effort because the way he went out with Dark Matter was just a head scratcher, and it was kind of sad.
I don't know.
I think the whole thing with Sirius was a mistake.
I don't think they were.
It probably sounded awesome from a technical point of view because you've got this satellite network.
You're going to have this amazing sound quality.
And he thought, wow, that's going to be awesome.
But then the reality was it was like, you know, who was listening?
He didn't have any callers.
And that was the heart of his show.
So to not have that was a major major blow against him.
And then in addition to that, the streaming, a lot of his listeners wanted to listen over the internet.
And Sirius just didn't have, that wasn't where they made their money.
But was any of that really a surprise?
I remember when I heard that Art was going with Sirius XM, I just released a sigh of frustration and disappointment.
And I think a lot of people did.
What we really wanted was what he is talking about doing in July.
I think that's what a lot of people wanted was just for him to fire up a stream and broadcast for free over the internet to a, for all intents and purposes, an unlimited number of people out there listening.
When I found out that he was going with SiriusXM, I just instinctively knew that disappointment was the appropriate feeling upon hearing that announcement.
And I don't know why he wasn't able to see, to foresee what the problems were potentially going to be.
I mean, I've just, like the Opium DeAnthony show, since Anthony Coomiya got fired from SiriusXM, I've really, it's really cut into what it is that I have to listen to out there.
There's the number of shows I have to fill the time really has dwindled since Anthony Cumiya left that show.
So I've decided, eh, what the hell?
I'm going to go back to their very first SiriusXM show.
I downloaded them all on BitTorrent, and I'm just going to go one by one and move my way forward.
And I'm into show number two now.
It's taken me a week and a half to get into show number two, by the way.
So in 2086, I will be into year 2007 with ONA.
But, I mean, the point is that as I'm listening, it's very clear that when you make a move to SiriusXM, you don't just go there and flip a switch and, hey, I'm on the radio, mom.
Look, everybody's calling me.
You've got to build something.
You've got to nurture it.
You've got to build it.
It's not going to just work right out of the gate for you.
I mean, it's just, it's inherently going to be that way because, number one, you're on a medium that you weren't on before.
SiriusXM is not terrestrial radio.
So I don't know.
Especially after 10 years of not being on the air.
I mean, Opium and Anthony were on terrestrial radio, I presume, just prior to Sirius.
Yeah.
So they were out there.
But the thing is, if he comes back, he's got to own it.
And maybe there's a chance that could happen because he's got a lot of control in the world of podcasting.
And so, I don't know.
I hope he does it.
I hope he goes, comes back.
I hope he does it well.
So you don't think Dark Matter was a good show?
I thought it was fine.
I thought the first week was really pretty bad.
Really?
Yeah, when he out of the gate, it was pretty weak.
I mean, he had that Jeremy Meter kid on.
Which one was that?
He was the guy that was like, oh, I just had dinner, but I'm okay now.
I remember some punk kid being on the show.
I can't remember.
That was having a landline.
Oh, my God.
What was the, that just, if that was not sort of a bad omen, you know, when your guests are lying to you about having a landline, I mean, that just doesn't remind you of the last time.
I wanted R to just drop his ass.
I think if it had been a week later, he would have just ended the thing and gone to calls or something.
But like, it was the first week.
I thought it was, I mean, from time to time, I'll come across.
I'm sorry, I'm really sick and I'm having trouble speaking.
I've seen commentary here and there from people who say it just simply wasn't a good show.
And I'm sorry, that just doesn't seem right to me.
I thought it was a great show.
I thought it was very entertaining.
It was like being transported back to 1997, being 17 years old again.
It really was.
I thought amazing.
Once he got going, it was fine.
You know.
Hey, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi.
Hey, this is Duke.
Hey, Duke.
Is this Uncle Duke?
Uncle Duke, yeah.
I wasn't sure which Duke it was.
Aunt Duke, Uncle Duke, Farmer Duke, but it's Uncle.
Mr. Duke.
Uncle's fine.
Hey, you know, one of the things I thought as I listened to the show last year, you know, I got fed up with all of Art's pissing and moaning about the people calling on cell phones.
I mean, you know, how many people still have landline phones?
That was one thing that bothered me.
But the guy never could get a break in terms of his guests.
I mean, some of the guests he had were just absolutely horrendous.
And even art, as good as art is, you know, when he had the pseudo-ghost investigator folks on there with that disappointing.
Julie Junga.
Yeah.
Hello, everybody.
I'm Jilly Junga.
Thank you for telling God.
And then do you remember, you remember the kid from somewhere out there in Nevada who claimed he had a UFO crash site?
Is that the kid you guys are talking about?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jeremy Beto.
That was unbelievable.
He was just horrendous.
And then about the time you think you're going to get a halfway decent guest, he had Tim Goode on.
And I'm telling you, I'm convinced Good was, you know, I'm convinced Good was on something.
I mean, that was one of the strangest interviews I've ever heard.
You remember he kept telling Art all these stories about he had a friend who was in a room next door to Neil Armstrong in a hotel in England and Armstrong was telling people about meeting Martians and just weird stuff.
And that's one of the few times I can ever remember Art just saying, okay, well, listen, thanks for calling in.
Yeah, when he got to the part of his story where it was like, and then Nery Armstrong asked me if I wanted to see his hog.
That's where I said, you know, maybe this guest should be dumped.
I don't know.
That's just me.
So, you know, if Art's going to come back, and I'm one of the people who don't think we'll ever see him, sadly, he's going to have to get some respectable guests.
He's going to have to quit trotting out the Ed Dames and Hoaglands and guys like that.
I mean, those guys, you know, their pitch hasn't changed.
I mean, it's the same thing we heard 30 years ago.
So somebody's going to have to go out and get him some halfway decent guests.
It's going to have to be something that people want to hear with people who, frankly, have got something worthwhile to say.
I think I made this analogy some, I don't know, probably six, eight months ago on the site.
You know, I'm old enough to remember Willie Mays, when Willie Mays was the greatest baseball player that ever lived back in the late 50s and early 60s.
Well, some of you guys that are older and were baseball fans may remember Willie Mays played maybe like five years too many.
And his last year, he was with the Mets and he was playing in New York.
And it was embarrassing.
I mean, the man couldn't catch.
He couldn't throw.
He couldn't run.
But he was still out there.
And that's not the way I want to see art go.
I would like to see art go out and have us remember him.
It's certainly no worse than what he was when he was on Dark Matter.
If he comes back, I just don't have a good feeling about this.
I think that everything's going to be shacked against him.
And I think we're going to see Art do the Willie Mays thing.
You know what I don't get, Uncle Duke, is two of the, well, I guess one of the chief complaints from Art about what it was he faced in hosting Dark Matter.
Boy, that was some weird sentence structure.
Now I'm confused as to what to say next.
He was complaining about the fact that he's not getting the phone calls he would expect, but I don't know what it is that he expects to be different about that by hosting an internet radio show.
I mean, if you enjoy Tumbleweed, go host a show on the Internet, because my gut is blowing around everywhere.
I think that's it.
Go ahead.
And I...
And I remember that same thought, too.
You know, I can remember him making the comment that many of his callers were truck drivers.
You remember that comment?
Yeah.
And, you know, I think what that, it took me a while to figure out what he was saying, but I think what he was saying was that, you know, you got all these truckers out there driving all night that have got SirixXM, and that was the largest number of listeners for people who are driving trucks all night.
And it was amazing that he would come out and say something like that.
You know, I don't know too many people who have a Sirius SM XM receiver.
I know a lot of people bought them for their homes.
And of course, you could do the download thing on their app for phones and things like that.
But the vast majority of people listen to SiriusXM and their cars.
Right.
He should have done some research before he joined Sirius.
Exactly.
Yeah, so I mean, what he's complaining about is something that he should have known.
I don't think these problems that he faced during Dark Matter are going to get any better when he goes to start hosting a radio show explicitly on the internet.
I think the caller base is going to be even worse for him than it was on SiriusXM.
I mean, as crazy as it is to say that, I really do believe that.
I mean, at least SiriusXM has a listener base, a subscriber base, I should say, of like 28 million people who could potentially listen to your show.
I mean, at least you have that possibility.
But on the internet, man, I mean, it's just, it's going to be a very small audience.
It really is going to be crickets.
And I think what Art got used to was the 1990s feel of things where millions of people are listening per week, 20 million listeners a week.
And if you try to call into the show, you're just not going to get through because it's not possible because there's so many other people doing the same thing you're doing, dialing that number.
And he would rarely have the same people on the air twice.
And I think he just got used to that and sort of came to expect that to be the way it's going to be.
And when he got to SiriusXM and it wasn't that way, kind of stumped him a little bit.
And I don't think it's going to be any better out of it.
With the exception of that guy, with the exception of that guy, Andy from Australia, that used to call in, was he really getting multiple call-ins from the same people?
I mean, when you talk about your caller base being so low, well, I don't recall hearing the same people over and over and over again.
I don't know.
Or was it just the quality of call?
I don't know.
When I heard Jazz Munda call in twice, I said, fuck this show.
And I burned my receiver.
Actually, I was in Morocco at the time that the show came on, listening online.
And let's see.
What time did the show start?
I don't remember.
It was 10 Eastern or 9 or 10 Eastern Eastern.
Was it 7 Pacific?
Yeah.
7 Pacific.
So there's 9.
7 trial.
9 or 10.
It was imaginary.
7 till 10 and then 7 till 11.
He increased it to an extended hear the show.
had to stay up in morocco until 3 a.m man that was uh i'm sitting here sick and i'm thinking about like memories i have of being sick It's not a good thing to do.
It's like Inception, that movie.
I need to think about grassy meadows and things of that nature.
Well, I don't know.
What else do you guys want to talk about?
I think we've blown our load on this.
By the way, someone in the chat room says that I'm too cheap to buy more than 50 listener slots.
That's not necessarily true.
I mean, I'm more than willing to buy more than 50.
It's just that it's exceptionally rare that it's needed.
I think the last time we had this many listeners to the show was last year when Art called in.
Yeah.
Are people not being able to listen to the show?
Well, the server.
WR250 have the mirror set up.
Well, I don't know.
I just posted a link.
My server's maxed out at 50.
Okay, yeah, I see in the chat room WR250 has a mirror site or whatever you call it, so somebody can click on the link in there and listen to the show that way.
Well, I'm really interested to see what other people's take on this stuff is.
So if you want to be on the show, the number to call is 623-242-2278-623-242 CAST if you'd like to be on the show tonight.
There's no call screening.
How about that?
One of the rare instances in which you can call a show in 2014 and not be screened.
See, our friend Gabor from Gabber, how do you say it?
G-A-B-O-R Gabber from Speed is in the chat room.
I think it's Gabor.
Yeah, I've been making fun of him because I think he looks just like Gear Grimsford or whatever his name was in the movie Fargo.
Yeah, he does.
Where's Pancake's House?
That guy.
Yeah, we're going to get a shot in a beer.
What?
I'm doing all the talking.
I'm doing all the talking.
Okay, well, I'm sick.
I have nothing else to talk about.
You guys seem like you've pretty much spent yourselves as well.
And if that's the case, I guess we can go ahead and call it a night.
I don't know.
I'm surprised that more people don't want to talk about this art bell thing that happened this week.
I'm really surprised by that.
Yeah.
I'm still kind of at a loss for what exactly happened.
Wouldn't you like to see, I mean, I'm not trying to get people to say bad things, but I mean, don't you, is there, am I wrong?
I mean, it seems like it would be a good thing for him to maybe move on and try using somebody else for his online presence.
I mean, other than Keith.
But that involves him having to go out there, you know, either do his research or find out how much things cost or what he should be paying someone.
And no one's just going to do it for free or for the ad revenue.
And does he really have the time or the windows?
He's got plenty of time to do that.
I think he's got to do that.
No, but Is about to spend time doing all that.
Maybe not.
Don't know.
Hey there, you're a bitch.
Hi.
Yeah.
Hey, this is Pate.
What's up?
Hey there.
What's going on, man?
It's always interesting to hear what people sound like.
Yeah.
Uncle Duke, and now you.
Pate.
Yeah, old people.
I'm not that old, though.
I don't remember Willie Mays.
That was kind of nutty.
How old are you?
Oh, let's see.
I joined the Army when I was 31, so I turned 32 in basic training.
That was, geez, I'm almost 40 now.
You are getting old.
I'm five years behind you.
And I'm starting to feel it.
Especially to.
Stop right now.
Tell everybody you're 19.
That's what I've been doing for years.
They don't really believe me anymore, though.
But anyway, yeah, I'm kind of with Duke on the, I don't think we'll see Art coming back.
He might, like, for a minute again.
Is that a squeaking bed I hear in somebody's background?
It's just a B-dub's getting excited.
Just my voice cracking.
I swear to God, it's like a really consistent, squeaky bed sound.
Am I the only one that hears that?
I've got a mic again?
That might be B-Dub's mic.
Does anyone else hear that?
Yeah, I hear that.
Now it's gone.
Yeah, it was B-dub, so he needs to unplug his microphone.
I'll go back down to the USB port.
Anyway, I'm sorry, Peggy.
Go ahead.
Oh, it could be my crappy cell phone.
No, you're fine.
Oh, I was just saying, I don't know.
It would be nice to see Art come back.
I just.
It's like maybe for a week or something.
I'm kind of with you on that.
Unless he goes on to the local radio station or something, gets back on terrestrial with what he knows.
He says he's done with terrestrial, but I don't really understand why.
It's what you know.
I mean, it's kind of hard to, I mean, you know, old dogs learn new tricks and such like that.
I don't know.
Maybe he does have the Alzheimer's.
Maybe that's why we don't hear him anymore.
Who knows?
I didn't say that art.
I'm joking, man.
Come back.
Anyway.
You okay there?
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, the guy is 70.
I mean.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't want to speculate in that regard, but he's 70.
It's not like running up and down hills or anything.
He's got to sit in a chair or stand up and talk into a microphone.
I don't know.
Yeah, find a guest.
And it's like I said in the chat room, my brother's a control freak like that, a perfectionist.
But, I mean, not like he's got to run things, but if he's doing something and his name's on it, it's his.
I mean, I've worked with him before.
I've helped him out on his house.
It's nuts.
You know, it'll go good for a while, and then he just spazzes out and throws a fit.
Not like Art, you know, my brother's different from all of us.
Not that bad.
But anyway, yeah, he'll freak out and be like, ah, all right.
And he's like, all right, I'm done.
We're done with this.
Let's go home.
You're like, okay, bro, love you, man.
But I guess you're done with it, you know.
So I don't know.
I kind of get to know an arts like that.
Yeah, that's why I was saying earlier.
If I were Keith Rowland, I wouldn't have any feeling of certainty about what's coming.
And I certainly wouldn't be moving or quitting jobs based on what I expect to be doing with art.
And I'm not sure that is that really a final deal, him and Roland, like done?
They're no longer working together?
No, Art did not.
They're back?
That didn't seem clear to me.
Somebody was saying that earlier.
You didn't see the post that Art submitted on Facebook?
He said, okay, good news.
Keith and I have worked out our problems.
It was a simple matter of lack of communication.
There, see, and here it is right here.
I didn't even catch that.
I got to get out of here and do my homework, apparently.
I mean, I'm about out of scheme on this.
Well, I mean, just how does a lack of communication cause you to go online and publicly fire your webmaster?
I don't know, man.
It just seems like you work through that stuff in different ways.
I just, this whole thing seems really schizophrenic and just chaotic to me.
Well, true, that, but I mean, if that is his vehicle to come back online and one of his, I guess, fill-in hosts or whoever's keeping the chair wants for him, goes over to Coast to Coast where old George Norrie screwed him over with that, what was it, like a second wife and all that BS?
And I don't know.
I don't see how that would hurt.
I don't know, like some kind of crazy, wasn't there some kind of nutty stuff back in like 2000 or 2001 where like art went off the air and they were talking about there's like charges getting filed or possible or something or some kind of weird rumor campaign going and then art came back and was like, all right, I'm done with coast to coast or something like that.
Am I just misremembering?
I think you're misremembering.
I was very drunk.
And misarticulating.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean, the only, I don't know.
The first time that I knew of any bad blood at all or any indications of any bad blood at all between Art and George was when I found on some obscure file sharing system, I think it was like, what is that sound?
Someone's typing and it sounds like you're taking a sledgehammer to your microphone.
So I don't know if you can maybe not do that.
I don't know.
Anyway, I remember I found this really obscure audio file of Art talking about George on his ham radio.
Yeah, it's on YouTube.
You can find it.
Yeah.
And that thing's got like 77,000 views now, I think.
But that was the first indication that I ever came across, like a solid indication that, okay, Art doesn't have the best feelings about this guy.
Well, he was talking about George being sort of a company man, you know, and being, you know, it was a mistake to move to LA where the network was and they could have full control over him.
Yeah.
He's right.
I mean, the network wants somebody who's malleable.
They want somebody who's just happy to be there.
He's like, George is like the Ringo star of broadcasting.
I'm just happy to be here.
Hey, dude, don't diss Ringo like that.
That's not right.
Well, I will give Ringo.
Ringo was a hell of a drummer.
I will give Ringo credit in that he had a perfect tempo.
They could record for like two hours straight and then take pieces out of that audio and put them all together to make music in the studio because of Ringo's perfect tempo.
And I do hear a lot of Phil's and Ringo's drumming that you heard later on from people like John Bonham and Keith Moon.
But, I mean, I don't know.
Not the most amazing drum.
I mean, definitely for a group of people.
For a group as legendary as the Beatles, I mean, Ringo's ability seems a little bit, or I should say the fame and glory of the skill seems to sort of be a little disproportionate to Ringo's abilities.
He does not merit being compared to George Nori, though.
That's not right.
That I don't necessarily mean to do.
And for that, I apologize.
Bastard.
For that, I apologize.
That's the Ebola talking.
I'm getting a little worried.
I've been checking my eye sockets looking for any signs of hemorrhage.
Thus far, none.
I'm looking in the reflection on my phone screen.
No, no bleeding from the eye sockets.
Man, I tell you what, I am just so miserable.
You guys, I really don't know how to verbally articulate physically how uncomfortable I am.
I'm just so sick.
I can't believe I'm here doing this show.
I have had no sleep.
I can't believe I'm here doing this.
What the hell is wrong with me?
I should have just sent you guys a message a long time ago and said, hey, look, I'm dying.
So if I can maybe not do the show, I don't know.
Maybe.
Are you going to be right to drive home?
Do we need to know what that sound just was?
Oh, dear.
What the hell is that?
Your baby is over-modulating, sir.
That's not my baby.
I've always wanted to say that to somebody.
If you could adjust the levels on your baby, turn it off.
Okay, well, this is the Gabcast podcast based around Bell Gab.com.
MV's diarrhea.
Tonight, that seems to be the case.
Although, in the past, that's been a winner.
Yep.
As show topics go.
Maybe Keith Rowland didn't think so.
That was another problem he had with me.
He didn't like me mentioning my ass fountain.
Oh, really?
He never mentioned that?
Yeah, on his precious network.
And he allowed Jimmy to say fuck.
Three times in a row.
Multiple times.
Can you believe that when Art appeared on our show, I went back and listened to that show just recently.
For the first time, I heard it all the way through.
I think it was like three or four nights ago.
And first of all, for not knowing that Art was going to call, number one.
And number two, for there being that many people on the mic all at the same time.
I think we did a pretty damn good job.
There was like 20 people that called, too.
Yeah.
But I remember at the time, Keith Rowland wanted to post that audio at artbell.com, and he was complaining that so little of the show he found usable.
It's like an asshole.
There are other things that I dealt with when interacting with that guy that I'm sure I'm forgetting.
And these are all starting to come back to me now.
Keith Rowland sucks my taint.
Go ahead.
So here, MV, you realize that that show with art is on YouTube and it's been posted by numerous people all over the internet.
I wonder what the sum total is.
It's substantial.
Is it?
Yeah.
And you know, there were a few people who complained that we interrupted him too much.
You know, there were only a couple instances where I was like, oh, man, I wish I would have shut up right there.
But by and large, I think it was fine.
I don't know what's wrong with people.
It was.
You know what?
That was our second show, I believe.
Was it?
As a group.
And three of us had never broadcast before.
And Art Bell calls in.
So, I mean, if you put it in that context, I think we did a pretty damn good job on the fly.
Eddie, who was it?
It was you, Onan, Curtis?
Curtis, and Curtis.
And me.
Was that it?
Yeah.
Yeah, that was.
B-Dub wasn't there?
No, no.
B-Dub wasn't a part of the super special click yet at that point.
No.
He was still fresh off of his bin.
I don't know.
No, I'd started like early on.
I was part of one of the hosts or whatever.
But then work got insane and I had to stop.
But then I came back after I quit my job.
I thought Tinko had really flexible hours.
That's what they put in their literature.
Well, I didn't really start working for Tanko until February.
You know, you can't even say the name of the company correctly.
You're fired.
Very displeased.
Yeah, so if you want to be on the show and you want to talk about all this, the number to call 623-242-CAST.
That's 623-242-2278.
If you'd like to be on the show tonight.
Hold on.
Oh, my God.
You're not going to throw up.
Okay, I'm back.
Man, I mean, if I could just, like, through words, express the discomfort, I would.
I would like to share my discomfort.
I'd like other people to feel it with me.
Can you tweet it?
Well, maybe in photo form.
Shit.
Can I ask you guys if you think that the hiring of Jimmy was in order to sort of get up, you know, get one back against art, you know, sort of throw a spanner in the work, so to speak.
The piss-off art?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I think that was definitely a consideration.
Wait, wait.
I'm sorry.
I zoned out for a second.
Did you ask if Jimmy Church is trying to piss art off?
No, no, no, no.
With Coast to Coast and Premier and George or whoever runs, you know, calls the shots.
Well, I mean, look at all the people that are doing tension.
I can't imagine it's not.
Look at all the people that are out there doing paranormal podcasts and paranormal radio shows streaming on the internet exclusively.
You're telling me that the only place they could find someone competent enough to sit in on that shitbag of a show was from the Dark Matter Radio Network?
I mean, the odds are astronomical.
If that were an organic choice, then you know what?
That's like winning the lottery three times on a Saturday.
It's just not possible.
Well, in terms if you're going to look for someone to host Coast to Coast AM on a fill-in basis, that's an easy place to go and just have a quick perusal of all the stuff there.
It's kind of a one-stop shop, really.
I mean, where else would you go?
And who else would they talk to?
Howard Hughes in England?
Did he do it?
You've never heard him?
No.
He's excellent, I think.
He's a great host.
I don't know.
I think the whole paranormal thing is basically a bunch of crap anymore.
I really don't care to hear the genre discussed by anybody but art.
Yeah, I agree.
It's burnt.
It's just done.
Most of it is noise and just trash.
People trying to sell books.
And that's the one problem I have with really anybody that does that, is that a lot of it is just nonsense.
But Howard Hughes is an excellent interviewer.
Well, I don't think being British is a limitation.
I think in some way, maybe in some way, Art should reach out to Howard Hughes because Howard has a relationship with a web developer who's really good and the guy that runs his site.
And they do podcasting.
So it's kick rolling to the curb.
Kent Smile says I have a man crush on art.
I don't so much have a man crush as I would just like to sort of tussle his hair a little bit.
I don't know.
So that number again, if you want to be on the show on that note, 623-242-CAST, 623-242-2278.
Glenn Beck is sick, supposedly.
I saw headlines about that.
Super sick?
Glenn Beck has some sort of mystery illness.
I don't know anything more than that.
You went swapping some bodily fluids with him.
Glenn Beck reveals major health issues from CNN.com.
He shared Monday a secret he's kept from almost everyone for years.
He's been battling a serious and rare illness.
It has baffled some of the best doctors in the world.
It's frightened me and my family, and we didn't know what was happening.
He has a variety of ailments, including an autoimmune disorder and adrenal fatigue.
Sounds like bullshit.
So does that mean when your adrenal gland releases adrenaline, you get fatigued?
Or you're not getting enough adrenaline, so you feel fatigued.
I think in either case, you're fatigued.
It sounds like fibromyalgia 2.0.
Speaking through tears, of course.
The former Fox News host detailed the progression of his illness and the symptoms he suffered.
Well, just as a human being, I wish him well, but he's just trying to get Rib's ratings back up.
I sort of tired of Glenn Beck's shtick quite a long time ago.
The sympathy card.
Just the whole crying thing.
I mean, are there that many things that...
I mean, when you're talking policy, if we're going to talk about what's right with the country and what's wrong with the country, that means you're talking policy.
You're having a policy discussion.
And I don't know many people who start wailing in the midst of a policy discussion.
You think Condoleezza Rice, we really need to make sure we get the funding for the war if we don't get it.
Oh, how about this?
Here's a caller.
Hi, you're on the air.
Hello?
You see how quickly we got to you as a caller?
That shows what we have to offer as hosts.
So thank you for calling.
How's it going, Steve?
Hey, what's going on, man?
Not too much.
Just, okay, a couple things.
First of all, I think that you are underestimating the impact of Belgad and exactly how much that aggravates Premier and specifically George, because it is by far, I'm serious.
It is by far the most active coast-to-coast discussion site out there.
Yes.
On a daily basis.
On a daily basis.
It's not like they are unaware of all this shit that gets posted there on a daily basis.
You Google the show, that's what pops up.
So you have George trying to do this half-assed charm offensive last year when he knows that Art is coming back.
That's the only reason he signed up there.
I mean, MV, I'm sure that he was enthused and he appreciated all of the kind words that you've had for him in the past.
And, you know, I'm sure that he was anxious to start a relationship with you and all.
But, you know, let's be honest, it was art coming back that spurred the Chinori posts.
What other explanation is there?
I mean, George just suddenly wanted to be buddies with everybody?
Yeah.
He just suddenly wanted to hang out.
I mean, timing, obviously, there's a publicist here.
There's somebody over at Premiere that told them, told George, told the people behind Coast, you need to get out in front of this somehow, some way, and spin it to our benefit.
And the first thing you need to do is try to ingratiate yourself to this community of people.
And then from there, the possibilities will be endless.
And I think he really believed that because it was a pretty short time.
First, he made that initial call into the spec sheet, and then he sent me a private message where he said that he'd love to come back on the show.
The only caveat was that we had to name the George Norrie sucks thread something else.
I mean, can you imagine how that would work out if I just came in there one day?
We're going to change this to George Norrie flowers and such.
Nobody will notice.
I don't know what he was thinking there.
I mean, and what how could that ever be possible to do that?
He thought that people would be kind of enamored of him based on the fact that, oh, he's paying attention to us now.
And there were people, I think, actually, who did turn around and who were asking him legitimate questions and were like, oh, George, you know, we just want to help you succeed.
You know, we want you to do well on the show.
I mean, there were people who kind of did a 180 when he started posting, but I think for the most part, people thought through it.
But, you know, the nicey-nice messages that he was sending out.
And of course, you know, the messages that he was sending me, I was doing the podcast that I do for a month, and he sends me a message asking if I wanted to do a Friday night segment, I shit you not called Here's Bateman.
No.
Those fucking soundboard drops, man.
Sometimes you really place them.
I'll say appropriately.
Yeah, that's I don't know what is I don't know what his motivations there were.
I mean, do you think he's underestimating the impact that Belgab had?
Do you think he legit wanted you to come on and do a segment called Here's Bateman?
I think if he had called it that, no, I think somewhere along the line somebody would have said, All right, George, that's a really shitty name for a segment.
Let's not call it Here's Bateman.
But yeah, I think he did want to have me on because I was certainly a source of aggravation for him for a little while, given the fact that I was able to get on the show every single time I called in.
They finally installed caller ID because of me.
I'm confident of that.
You'd need to have a lot of radio stations.
Surely they had that year.
No, no, no.
You'd be surprised how many radio stations do not have caller ID.
Well, we don't have it at all.
Why does Bill the Atheist still get on the air?
Oh, I don't know.
Maybe they don't have a problem with it.
Well, even without caller ID, the screener puts him through.
Right.
It's not like they have no idea who he is.
I mean, it's not like he's pretending to be somebody else every time.
Yeah.
No, but you'd be surprised how many stations don't have caller ID because towards the end of that rampage that I was on, he finally announced that, you know, we have some sort of countermeasure to prevent that in the future.
Did he say that on the air?
Rampage.
No, I think he said it on Bellgap.
If you go through the post, you can find it in there somewhere.
That's just hard for me to believe that after all these years, after all the trolling, I am quite sure that that's what happened because I called in once after that.
Once he said the countermeasures were installed, like it's some sort of military operation.
I called in.
That guy calls in again, a system will automatically drop a bunch of sprinklers and spray us with a disinfectant so that we can get into our escape pods and leave the premiere studios.
Countermeasures.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
I called in because there are all these apps that you can change your phone number.
Like, Caucatone is one.
It's, you know, for purposes of trolling, basically.
That's the only reason I can imagine some of these apps exist.
But it allows you to pick whatever area code you want.
So I plugged in, I don't know, like 615, just some random area code.
And the screener asked me where I was calling from, and I was like, I don't know, Anchorage.
And they were like, oh, what station are you listening on?
What's your area code?
I was like, oh, shit.
They were trying to match up the area code that was on the screen with what I was saying.
You know what I mean?
You didn't have your shit together there.
I did not.
But I had gotten through every previous time, so I thought it would be an endless run of harassment.
I'm looking at this Godlike Productions picture of John Goodman, which I guess is supposed to bear a striking resemblance to George Nori.
Yeah, he's going to play him in the coast-to-coast AM movie.
Pate says MV sounds like he's hurting.
I don't know what gave you that idea.
I don't know where you came with that notion.
All right, Bateman.
Well, it's all very interesting.
The politics of all this.
I do think that you're right about Belgab and the power of Belgab.
You remember the old days everyone used to sit around wondering, do they read this forum?
Does George know about this forum?
Oh, geez, I wonder if Art knows about this forum.
And the answers to those questions are, I think, pretty obvious at this point.
You know, it's funny, George would never answer the question of whether or not he saw the iPad thread.
Oh, really?
He saw it.
He just didn't understand it.
He wouldn't answer that question.
So anyway, how about the Mets?
Thanks, guys.
I got to.
Look, it was only the power of.
Thank you.
It was only the power of Belgab where it concerned Art Bell because when did George stop posting?
Conveniently once Art Bell left the building.
So after Dark Matter was done.
Yeah.
So he was done.
They were defeated.
You know, he defeated Art Bell and he left.
Popple says, the power of Belgab compels you.
Or no, I'm sorry.
The power of Belgab compels you.
How are you?
You know, when he called into the spec sheet, the way that he authenticated himself was to say that.
How are you?
When I heard that, I was like, holy shit.
Well, at least he's got a sense of humor.
No retina scans, no fingerprints.
Just, how are you?
How are you?
All right.
Well, I think I've reached my limit here.
I mean, I really need to get out of this chair so that it can be steam clean.
Does your microphone reach into the toilet?
Maybe we can keep going.
Trying to think.
Let's not go there.
I can make that happen, actually.
Now that I think.
Oh, my God.
He's going to do it.
No, I'm just trying to move.
It really hurts just to sit up every joint in my body.
You ever had that, like, food poisoning and just all your joints hurt and your skin is really sensitive.
If it touches anything, you just really feel it.
I just, oh, okay, fuck it.
As a frequent sufferer of irritable bowel syndrome, I often find it's helpful not to move.
And the more you move, the more you sort of shake it up.
Is that what this is?
Irritable bowel syndrome?
I don't know.
Are you diagnosing me, Jasmunda from Australia, over mumble during a talk show?
That's where I go for my medical advice, the Gabcast, to my co-host, Jasmunda from Australia.
He's able to do a voice analysis on the waveform of my speech and tell me exactly what's going on.
Oh, hey.
Oh, here you go.
Jeannie Waltz.
There you are.
Take this voice scan to you, doctor.
There you go, mate.
Anyway, I'm sorry for doing that.
I know that you get a little annoyed when I do the Australian accent.
The attempted Australian accent.
I just can't.
I practice in front of the mirror twice a week and it's just had no benefit for me.
Have you guys seen, you guys have seen Django, right?
Uh, Django?
Django and Chain?
Oh, yeah.
Yep.
Quentin Tarantino did an Australian accent in that.
I thought it was pretty good.
Yeah, he did.
There's just a subtlety to the Australian accent that is really hard to pick up on.
And, I mean, it's really easy to do a British accent, but I don't know what it is.
The Australian accent.
Or differentiating an Australian accent from a New Zealander accent.
Oh, God.
No way.
Jasmunda, can you do a New Zealander accent?
Fush and chops and dumpsoms.
That's what they say.
Fush and chops.
It sounds like you're just not opening your mouth very much.
That's really what happens.
Okay, everybody.
Well, thank you for listening.
I hope the show was.
I hope you found it listenable.
I'm in some severe physical pain here, so if my contribution to the show was lacking, well, that's why.
I don't know.
What can I say?
Piss off.
Anyway, you guys have a good night.
It's been fun.
I'm really glad to have gotten together with you guys.
Take care.
Good night.
See you later.
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