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27 October, 2014

27 October, 2014 ---------- On this haunted episode of the GabCast, Jazmunda, Eddie Dean and B_Dubb talk about ghosts and things that go bump in the night. Tampering with Halloween candy and the possible origins of the widely repeated tale. Wildcard from Bellgab calls to share a story about an unidentified figure he and two childhood friends observed. Technical issues with the live stream laptop, kicked us off the air twice. It must be ghosts.

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It's the Gapcast Welcome to the show tonight, everybody.
I'm Andy Dean.
We've got B-Dub and Jazz Munda joining the Gabcast tonight.
What's up, guys?
Hi.
Hi, you sound thrilled.
Hi.
Are you excited to Gabcast tonight, sir?
I just came in my pants.
I'm so excited.
Really?
I think you need to keep that information to yourself next time.
Oh, we're all adults here.
I'm not sure the people in the chat room at UFOship.com got a good way to start the show.
Mumble mouth.
You got to come on the mind.
Yeah, I do.
It's blown your mind.
You really threw me off.
The people in the chat room don't need to hear that, I don't think.
You can start over.
You want to start over?
No, I don't.
I'm happy with the way we started the show this time, and I'm sticking with it.
I'm not going to go back and edit the podcast and insert a new start or anything like that.
I think you're right.
Well, thanks, George.
George agrees, so we should continue the Gabcast as it is.
Welcome to the show tonight, everybody.
We're doing a Halloween edition, I guess.
If you want to call it that, we're just going to talk the regular bullshit that we do, but we're going to invite you to call in with any ghost stories, any spooky stories, anything like that.
Somebody's phone is ringing.
And you can call the show at 623-242-2278.
Again, that's 623-242-CAST.
You can also reach us.
If you're a Skype user, you can type in the.gabcast in Skype, and we can talk to you via the wonders of Skype technology and the internet, voice over IP.
So what's going on, guys?
Did I lose the hosts already?
Did you have to answer the phone, B-Dub?
Who was it?
I had to make a potty.
Oh, you did?
Yeah.
I had to change my pants.
Don't make me stop this show.
You know, you really should have thought of that before we started the show, but I know.
Usually the beginning of the show is kind of hectic and we're barely just hanging on.
And I'm waiting for my compressor to die out because the right side kept muting for some reason.
So I'm just talking about things on my mind and nothing in particular.
But if you guys like to call the show, the number is 623-242-2278.
Have you guys ever seen a ghost?
Fellow Gabcast hosts?
Or you have any scary stories you want to start the show off with tonight?
I've never actually seen one, but I think that we may have something going on in our house.
I think my kids have seen stuff.
Really?
No, they've just always spoken about sort of, you know, as kids had sort of imaginary friends, but they weren't kids that they were friends with.
They were sort of an adult.
So I don't know what was going on there, but I've never actually seen anything.
You talked about some sort of visitation or something on Art Bell's Dark Matter, didn't you?
Yeah, it was my kids, my eldest daughter's imaginary friend.
And that, you know, most people would dismiss as being an overactive imagination.
But I graduated from the Art Bell School of Paranormal.
So I immediately jumped to the conclusion that we had a ghost in our house.
And your grade point average was 19.5.
Yes.
So I don't know.
I just, she always sort of talked about this, you know, this person called Roger.
And it was only sort of, we moved houses and it was only in the house that we moved into.
So I'm sort of waiting now.
She doesn't talk about him anymore, but I'm waiting.
My middle daughter, I'm waiting for her to, if she ever starts talking about this guy, Roger, then I'll really be scared.
But I haven't actually had any encounters.
Time to move.
I grew up with a friend that his parents, his mom and his stepdad used to live in a house in Colorado.
And they talked about stories of a ghost that they lived with.
Of course, I have no idea if this is true, but I mean, they definitely believed it.
And they said that, you know, it was a friendly ghost.
They used to hear things.
They saw things out of the corner of their eye.
And they just basically lived with it.
You know, they didn't try to call a priest and do an exorcism or anything like that.
But they said that one time the door slammed on my friend's hand when he was a toddler or something.
And they didn't think that it was, you know, a breeze or wind in the house or anything like that.
You know, if they had windows open or something like that.
And the stepdad said that he got pissed and started yelling and screaming at this ghost apparently in the house.
And after that, they didn't see, didn't see it, didn't hear it, or no other, you know, instances.
Yeah, I once slept over at a friend's house and I slept in this room and there was a fan on the roof.
And I woke up in the morning freezing.
This had turned on.
And I sort of said to my friend, what the hell?
You know, this fan just, I didn't turn it on.
And it's, you know, I was freezing.
And he said, that's our ghost.
I can't remember.
They had a name for him.
I can't remember what the name was, but he said, that's, you know, he does stuff like that.
They never saw anything, never pushed, never touched, but things would turn on.
Lights would just turn on by themselves.
Toilets might flush.
Doors might close.
But no one ever actually saw anything happen.
It just sort of happened.
Wow.
I've had that in this house that I live in.
Maybe not fans turning on, but I hear things at night, you know, and I've chalked it up to the house settling or cats outside banging against the house or some animal or bird or whatever.
But I mean, it happens frequently.
And it sounds like, it doesn't sound like the house settling on some of them.
So it sounds like things are being dropped like on the other side of the bed or like you drop a pen, that sound of it hitting the carpet.
I've heard that.
I heard that just a couple nights ago and I woke up.
It was like 2.30 in the morning and I looked around and my cat wasn't in the room.
And yeah, so I mean, I don't know what the hell that could be.
I don't think it's a ghost.
I've never seen anything like that or heard anything other than, you know, these strange noises.
But I mean, it's, I'm sure that happens frequently.
But, you know, people that listen to Art Bell and are into paranormal immediately go to ghosts or disembodied spirits or something like that.
Well, let me ask you a question.
Why would your house be haunted?
I don't know.
Is it especially old?
Is it on a piece of property that has a lot of history?
It might.
Have you got a lot of dead people buried in your backyard?
There is an Indian burial ground.
I think that they dug up a bunch of Indian graves when they poured the foundation, but that couldn't have been it.
I'm fairly certain that's not it.
No, I don't know.
The house was built in 83, so it's not especially old, you know.
So I don't know.
I really don't know the history.
I don't think anybody died here when I bought it.
Aren't you supposed to say that when you're trying to sell a house and there was a death in the house?
You're supposed to.
Died in house.com.
Diedinhouse.com.
Diedinhouse.com.
Supposed to default that.
I think in some states, some states in the U.S., and I believe in some states in Australia, it is a legal requirement.
I don't think it's a legal requirement to announce that a house is haunted because I don't know what proof there is for that.
But if someone died in the house, I think it is a requirement.
And I think that it's because someone died in the house.
It may be haunted.
I mean, what other reason could there be other than people freaking out that there was a dead body in the house?
Yeah, I would say that's the reason.
Yeah.
I mean, my grandpa died in his house, and it wasn't haunted after that.
Go ahead.
If anyone else has a story, Colleen.
Yes, indeed.
That's how things were done in the old days.
You didn't have to go to a hospital to die.
You just died at home or on a tractor.
Yeah.
Or on your mule.
I've never seen a ghost, but I've had two experiences where I felt the presence of something or someone.
I've talked about that on the inside the supernatural stories thread.
I don't know.
There's an old, like the town I grew up in has been around since the early 1800s.
And it's got all, like, the downtown basically looks like it's right out of, oh, brother, where art thou?
And so there's an opera house, and there's all these old buildings.
And, you know, there's a ghost tour right now that I could go and walk around.
But like one of the stores is this old bookstore.
And it was actually on, there was a show that was on sci-fi called Haunted Collector.
I don't know if you guys remember that or if you'd seen it.
No, I don't think I've seen that.
But they actually did an episode from that bookstore.
And they claimed, like, the people that own that bookstore claim that there's like eight or nine different ghosts that inhabit this space.
I'm a little skeptical because I've been in that bookstore.
I've been in the basement and I've never felt creeped out.
It makes me a little sad because I know like you go around and you look at these books that no one ever reads.
You know, someone spent a lot of time writing that book only for it to sit there neglected and forgotten.
But, you know, I don't think there's, I don't know if there's anything there or not.
I'm a little skeptical.
Yeah.
Did you guys ever watch the show you were talking about ghost shows, but ghost hunters?
Sci-fi.
Did you guys enjoy that show at all?
Did you see right through it immediately?
In the beginning, I liked it because I thought they were quite genuine.
You know, they seemed to be two guys who were plumbers and they seemed like above-board kind of guys.
But there was one, they used to do a Halloween special.
And I think they still do this.
Yeah, and they do a live thing.
And obviously, when you're doing something live, you're not going to get the ghost to, well, if there are ghosts, you're not going to get them to play ball on queue.
So I witnessed one of the hosts faking stuff.
And then I searched on the internet and saw frame by frame.
And you can clearly see he's got something in his pocket, some thing in his jacket.
He must have pressed something in his pocket, and his jacket sort of moved and got pulled.
And it was really fraudulent what he did.
And I just lost all respect for him.
Which one was that?
Was that Grant?
That's the one.
Or was that Grant?
The taller guy with brown hair?
No, the other guy, the smaller guy, Grant.
Oh, that's probably why he's not on the show anymore.
Oh, he's not.
I haven't watched him.
He's not on the show anymore.
You know, I enjoyed that show the first maybe season, season and a half.
And there's really, it's all what they do is they say, oh, did you hear that?
And of course, most of the time, you can't pick it up with microphones, even though microphones are usually more sensitive than human hearing.
And they say, well, something just touched me, you know, and they freak out or they are acting.
And there's no way to corroborate that at all.
I mean, I can say, oh, shit, something just touched me in this studio.
And, you know, it's very easily you could be bullshitting about it, you know.
There were some pretty provocative episodes.
One in particular, I remember when they went to a lighthouse and they were shooting up this, you know, this spiral staircase that went up.
I don't know how many feet up in the air.
Was that in Florida in St. Augustine or something like that?
I'm not sure where it was.
All I remember it was in a lighthouse somewhere.
And there was some video of something.
It looked like a being or something that peered over as the camera was at the bottom of the lighthouse looking up.
You could see the thing looking over and you also see it going up the, you know, a few flights of stairs or a few feet of the staircase really fast.
But I think really that was maybe just some sort of a video issue, you know, like pixelation in the video because it was quite a distance away from the camera.
But I mean, when I first saw that, I'm like, holy shit, that's incredible, you know?
And but I agree with most of the episodes, and I don't know if they're still on the air, but they fake evidence.
I've seen those YouTube videos that you were talking about too.
Well, considering that they do fake evidence, what's to say that that thing that you saw in the lighthouse wasn't faked as well?
I don't know how they do that.
That's sad.
That's true.
Once they cross that line, they basically lost all their credibility.
There was a I just did some research on Haunted Collector, and there's some stuff in that show that's questionable.
Some people acting like they've never met each other before when, in fact, they've known each other for years.
You know, stuff like that goes on.
And you wonder, you know, like, why do they do that?
Why was that necessary?
What else are they lying about?
On the show they did from the bookstore in the nearby bookstore, they claim that one of the ghosts is a little boy.
And so what they did was they left some toys in one area of the store that people say they've seen this kid.
And this is at night and all the lights are off and all that.
And so their video camera, they've got the cameras on this area where they've got these toys.
And all of a sudden, one of these balls just moves suddenly up against the wall.
And they're like, oh, wow, what was that?
And then they go in and they take a look.
And one of the things they explore is like, well, is the floor level?
And one of the things they, so they say that the floor wasn't level, but in fact, that the ball rolled up the incline, not down.
But then are they just totally screwing with us?
Can they be trusted?
I don't know.
Those shows are shows are heavily edited, too.
We have a call here, so let's go to the phones.
Hey, you're on the air.
Hi, guys.
It's Wildcard.
Are you guys talking about Paranormal State?
I came in on the middle of this.
We were talking about what were you talking about, B-W?
What was the name of the show?
Ghost Collector, Haunted Collector.
Haunted Collector, and we were also talking about Ghost Hunter.
But I have seen Paranormal State Wildcard.
It's all the same genre, so go ahead.
It really is.
Go ahead.
Is Ghost Collector on in the States?
It tells you how much I watch TV.
I mean, is that a new one?
I haven't even seen commercials for that.
B-W?
It was on sci-fi.
Really?
I don't know when it ran.
I don't think it's on anymore.
Yeah, well, I won't be looking for it.
I mean, come on, you can't.
This guy's the MO of that show was that there were objects that were haunted and that would draw certain energies to it or whatever.
Sounds kind of cool.
I take it back.
I might look for that.
What about Paranormal State Wildcard?
Do you have any comments about that show?
Well, I was just, I don't know.
I guess Paranormal State was the first one for me that it was just like, geez, you can't produce a paranormal event on a weekly basis, you know, according to your, you know, come on.
Damn.
Talk about a show being heavily edited.
I mean, that show was polished like a production, like a production you see in Hollywood.
And it was all about the devil and very biblical.
That guy was always using the Bible and really strange techniques.
Oh, my God.
Thanks to Chip Coffee.
Oh, man.
He's a mess.
That guy was pretty annoying.
That's the old guy that they brought in as an expert, right?
Old queer, right?
The old queen.
Nothing sadder than that old queen.
Yeah.
Anyway, this is not, it's not a ghost story.
I don't know.
It's a true hallucination.
When I was about 10, me, my friend, his brother, my parents, and their parents were on vacation.
And it was, I can't even tell you the state.
It was maybe Utah, a state outside of Colorado.
We were on vacation.
It was nighttime.
And I think it was a salt mine.
Anyway, it was a big hole in the ground, like about the size of a football field.
And they had the platform with those, whatever you call those viewfinder things that you put a quarter in.
You know what I'm talking about?
But it was night.
So, you know, we're asking our parents for quarters, and they're just going, you're stupid.
You're not going to see anything.
And you really couldn't see much.
You could see like a light bulb here and there where they were working.
It was like this, you know how they do strip mining?
Yeah.
Well, yeah, they go in circles, right?
They remove the earth in big concentric circles.
Exactly.
So, you know, I don't know if you could have seen the bottom of it in the daytime.
But anyway, so we're looking at a black pit in night at nighttime.
And I was the first one to see it.
And I really can't say what I saw.
It was just like shadow forms moving up and down the surface of the hole.
I don't know if I, I don't know, like withers or something, but it was just like it was moving.
Like, kind of like in like you see a wall move when you're on acid, but obviously at 10, I wasn't on drugs, you know.
So I had enough sense not to tell my friend what I had saw.
I just, you know, have him look through it.
And then after he looked through it, you know, see if he saw anything.
And he did.
So then we got his younger brother to look through it and he saw it.
So, of course, I'm just resolved in my mind.
I will not forget I saw this.
I will not forget I saw this.
And me and Jim, my best friend at the time, talked about it, you know, all growing up.
Like, did we see something there or not?
Yeah, we really did.
Bob would talk about it when we were a kid, but anymore, you know, the last time I talked about it, it was like, yeah, I saw something, but, you know, who knows?
We were kids.
And it's true.
We were kids.
All three of you saw it.
Did your parents see it?
We tried to get them to look through the Viewmaster, but of course they want it.
You know, I mean, it was nighttime.
Right.
I mean, you know, I don't even know if it's, I mean, how could you see something in the dark?
Like, like I said, you could see the light bulbs, and I assume if you pointed it up at the sky, you would have seen stars.
But, you know, there's no source of light.
So how could you be seeing anything?
Right.
So you think maybe your eyes were just playing tricks on you, and because you were kids, you kind of creeped each other out.
There's something down there.
You know how the mind of the kid is really impressionable.
I'm willing to consider that.
But honestly, if I had to pick, I would say it was something external to my imagination.
Because Jim saw it and his brother saw it.
If that weren't the case, no.
But, you know, at least it was a collective hallucination, if nothing else.
Did you ever go back to Google that salt mine or whatever it was to see if there was any reports of haunting?
I ain't going to lie.
I've been thinking about telling this story and wishing I could say, well, I was in this state and it was this salt mine, but I don't remember.
I really don't have a clue.
I wasn't paying attention.
I think we were on our way to the East Coast.
We were just on a road trip and that was a rest stop.
I guess it was a touristy place in the daytime to stop and look at the big hole.
But at night, there's nothing but snack machines and the viewfinders, you know?
Right.
So you, so what do you think it was?
Well, let me ask this.
Was it moving or did it have well-defined edges or was it just so dark that it was really difficult to tell?
Gee, that's a good.
It was moving.
Did it have well-defined edges?
I'd say yes.
Yeah, it's a Geiger, right?
It was Geiger-esque.
It was very Geiger-esque.
Oh, okay.
You mean the guy that draws for or that drew the alien monster?
Exactly.
Okay.
Very Geiger-esque is the best thing I could compare it to.
And he wasn't out there, but it was, I don't know.
So that's all.
He doesn't have a good one.
All right, man.
Thanks for the call.
Ciao.
I had the reason I asked him about maybe his friends influenced him to, you know, or he influenced his friends by saying there's something down there is I was on a camping trip with that same kid that I told you about where his parents had a house in Colorado that was haunted.
We were out camping.
We were maybe 15 or 16, probably the first time that we'd been out camping by ourselves, you know, without any adults around.
And it started raining late at night and our tent caved in.
So we had to jump into my truck.
So at least I was at least 16.
And he got freaked out because he thought he saw Freddy Krueger when the lightning struck.
And of course, I didn't, you know, well, that's bullshit.
I didn't believe it.
But he was freaking out so hard that it really, it scared the shit out of me.
And I could have sworn that I saw something out there as well.
But, you know, it was just because the way he was reacting, I believed that there was possibly something out there.
And this is what led to your first homosexual experience?
I wasn't going to go into that part of the story, but I'll say no.
Nerves, adrenaline.
And, you know, if you guys had been drinking like Mountain Dew, it's certainly not going to help you sleep.
All that stuff plays a role in that.
But kids are so prone to believing all kinds of crazy shit.
Like the fact that he would think Freddy Krueger was a real person.
Yeah.
You know, like he would actually come for him.
Just, come on.
It's ridiculous.
Yeah, I agree.
But it's that, I guess you would call it hysteria or, you know, suggestion or something.
Oh, where's my cricket sound effect?
I was just thinking.
What happened?
I missed it.
There was a lull in the show and I panicked.
And I had to play the cricket sound effect.
I have people here installing a dishwasher.
So haunted dishwasher?
Well, it actually uses blood to wash the dishes.
So, yes.
Nice.
It's the devil's own dishwasher.
WR250 in the chat room told me that what I saw was Bigfoot on my camping trip with my friend.
Squatche.
Oh, Squatche.
Did anybody see Killing Bigfoot?
Anyone bother to watch that?
No.
No.
Is that one of the reality shows?
Well, it was like a one-off show where a bunch of guys went out in the wilderness to shoot Bigfoot and failed, of course.
Right, because Bigfoot doesn't exist.
Yeah, well, yeah, that tends to be kind of problematic when you want to.
Or he's hanging out with Freddy Krueger.
Yeah.
And Jason.
And Mike Myers.
They're all hanging out together in the woods having homosexual experiences together.
So has the Bigfoot thing, has it just died?
I mean, really, come on.
How many times do people have to go out in the woods with all this equipment and all these trail cams and never come back with anything?
Yeah.
I never, whoa, I think my, hold on, I think my PC just died, and that's the stream PC.
So hold on one second.
Shiza.
Shiza.
The screen just went off.
Hopefully it just went to sleep or it didn't completely shut itself down, which it did.
So we are off the air right now.
Hold on one second.
Let me play something for the podcast listeners, or I can just edit this section out.
Yeah, we'll just cut it out.
We'll just cut it out.
I'll play something anyway.
So when we come back on the air.
All right.
I think we're back on the stream now.
Looks like my PC has a ghost or Bigfoot or something in there because I was going to say it's a ghost.
It is haunted.
It wasn't your computer before you did.
It wasn't your grandfather, was it?
No, it was my mom.
Is she still with us?
Yes, she is.
Yeah, she's still here.
So I don't know what the hell happened.
That happened one time before, and it was right after the show.
So we kind of lucked out.
I don't know if it's overheating or what, but it's nice and cool in this room.
But hopefully we're, I think we're back on the air.
If you can hear us in the chat room, can you raise your hand, please?
I think we are on the air.
And what were we talking about?
We were talking about Bigfoot.
I never understood what the big deal was.
I never understood what the big deal was about Bigfoot.
I mean, that old video, the eight millimeter video of Sasquatch walking in the woods and watching the film.
The old film is provocative and it's pretty impressive.
It's proof of nothing.
Yeah.
But I mean, so if there is a species out there that we don't know about, you know, how many species out there that, you know, there's half a million that we've identified and there's another maybe several million that we haven't identified yet, you know?
So I don't know what the big deal would be if we found Bigfoot.
Unless he's intelligent or something.
I have a confession to make.
Go ahead.
I'm a squatch.
You're a squatch.
I'm actually hairy enough to be a Sasquatch, but actually I'm just a human.
Yeah, I think, I don't know.
I don't know if I keep bringing this guy up on the show, but if you listen to the Skeptoid podcast about Bigfoot, he tears apart the film.
Obviously, he'll tell you where they had the costume made.
And that guy had ties to a film company.
I think he worked for a film company.
And that's why he had a 16-millimeter film camera on his horse.
That's why he had access to that because that's what he did for a living when he actually did work.
Are you talking about that classic Bigfoot video?
Yeah, I've never thought that that was real.
I mean, he clearly looks like a guy walking a suit when he looks over his right shoulder at the camera and then keeps walking.
Didn't they do a bit on The Simpsons where he's wearing a watch or something?
Yeah.
Hold on, take two.
Walk again, Bob.
Yeah, there's really nothing about that video or the film that's convincing.
I mean, people make a big deal about the costume or the breasts of the undulating breasts.
I mean, come on.
Yeah, you can see the muscle tone underneath the fur, so it's got to be real.
They must be watching a different version of that film than what I've seen because you're just aware of those like a big brown hairy thing and you can't really see detail for shit.
Ah, yes.
Yeah, I mean, and look at what all the analysis that came out by Richard C. Hoagland when everybody thought there was a face on Mars.
I mean, they were people talking about we can see the eyeball and we can see, you know, intricate details and all of that analysis is bullshit and completely incorrect.
It's all wrong.
Yeah.
It's all wrong.
It's just speculation.
It's all bad science.
Sacred geometry.
And you know what?
That's what Hoagland paid for his house with.
Somehow he was able to convert that bullshit into actual cold hard cash and probably pretty well.
Yeah, it's kind of amazing.
You know, it's P.T. Barnum again.
Yeah, people will believe what they want to believe.
Yeah.
I just don't see what the big hype is about Bigfoot.
And all of these Bigfoot reality shows or the one that I watched, the TV show, where they know what the squatch sounds like.
They go out in the future.
They're finding Bigfoot.
Yeah, when they go out in the middle of the woods and they scream in between their hands and make some sort of a strange noise that they think that they're talking to Bigfoot.
How the hell do they know that?
I mean.
Well, if you've been paying attention, no, it's all bullshit.
Those people are that show, what that show really needs is a laugh track.
It really does.
I mean, it would just be so much better with a laugh track.
I don't know.
Those people don't realize they're on a comedy, but they're on a comedy.
Just like that.
That's all it needs to make that show a hit.
Especially when that big fat lump of meat.
Excrement?
Well, I wasn't going to say that, but sure, why not?
Especially when he, what's his name, Bilbo or something?
I don't know.
Bilbo?
Yeah.
Like, that guy's an authority on anything but like where you can score a weed.
Yeah, you know, these paranormal reality shows where there really is no proof or evidence or very little of it or it's faked is just a complete waste of time.
It really is.
Yeah.
Well, you know, the worst one is ancient aliens.
I mean, it has to be because those guys, they never, do they ever really come out and say anything?
They always start with, is it possible that extraterrestrials came to Earth and built the Taj Mahal with the laser gun?
Yeah.
Sure.
It's possible.
It didn't fucking happen.
Talk about whatever theory you want.
And they always say that, you know.
They always preface everything with, is it possible?
I've only seen like one or two episodes.
I had a friend that actually shot like, he wasn't the guy that would film like Sukalos and the other guy whose voice is fucking annoying.
But he would go and actually, he would actually go and talk to the real Experts, like the professors and the people that they would interview and then hack their interview up in a million pieces and manipulate it to support their pro-ancient alien BS.
And he was like, he thought that was a pretty cool gig because he got to speak to all these really interesting people, but then he was like, that show is written, his exact words, written from nothing.
Yeah.
They make it all up.
They do.
And it's not for discovery and it's not for anything like that to try to teach the public about what's possible out there.
It's for ratings.
That's all it is.
It's for sell books, videotapes.
They purposely be dramatic and provocative just so you'll stay tuned through the commercial.
Yeah.
But, well, yeah.
But I mean, and honestly, like, do you suppose there are people out there who are doing something along those lines that isn't complete bullshit?
And that because of these people, they're fucking ruining it for everyone else.
Like, I'm thinking, like, Graham Hancock is quasi-plausible.
Yeah.
You know, he's not like Zachariah Sitchin.
I just assume that everything that comes that that guy said was just nonsense.
Yeah.
But Graham Hancock is interesting.
I mean, there's a lot of interesting theories in people that talk about paranormal that don't seem like they're in it for the fame or the money or the attention.
Yeah.
An easy dollar.
Yeah.
Jazz Munda's been awfully quiet.
I don't know.
Is Jazz still there?
Yeah, I'm still here.
Oh, okay.
She was just doing something.
Did we put you to sleep there, Chief?
You did.
Did we interrupt your morning nap?
You did.
Thank you.
I did see there was a story recently that came out of England that some researchers that were doing like long-term studies with people that had near-death experiences, there were people who were coming back from their near-death experience and they had detailed information about what was happening in the room around them while they were dead.
And they actually had a released a study saying that they found evidence that there is life after death.
Really?
Yeah.
I don't know if I figured an announcement like that would have more create more of a stir, but basically it was just like thud.
And then well, you know, yeah, you would think that something that huge would be beamed across the entire world, but maybe that's that study was shown to be a forgery or a hoax after, you know, if they sent it out for peer review or if anybody reviewed it or tried to.
Well, I mean, how would you be able to replicate that, though?
I mean, if it was just specific one person.
Yeah.
I think that's the problem in scientific circles.
Replication is a pretty big deal.
And I don't think it's easily replicated on a consistent basis.
No.
As well as trying to find participants.
Well, let's frame this in Art Bell-ness.
Because he had that story.
Yeah.
He had that episode where he was talking.
I don't know if, did he actually talk to the woman's name was Pam Reynolds.
She'd had this crazy procedure to operate on a deep brain tumor.
And basically what they did was they killed her.
They froze, they chilled her body down to like All the blood out, but somehow she was able she was able to recall this details of what was happening during the procedure.
Wow.
So, do you guys not recall that?
No, I do.
I do recall that.
It's the Pam Reynolds episode.
Did she have an out-of-body experience during this procedure?
Oh, she recalled exactly what they were doing to her.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's pretty amazing.
And I think that that is completely possible.
Go ahead, Jess.
For some reason, I can't remember that part of the story.
I just remember the miraculous part about them actually saving her by taking all of her blood out, getting to the whatever, the tumor or whatever, and then putting all her blood back in.
I can't remember that she actually had an out-of-body experience.
Yeah.
That doesn't mean that that didn't happen.
I remember hearing about that procedure and just being like, there's no way they did that.
I think it was on 60 Minutes, if I recall.
Yeah, it did happen.
Yeah.
Do you recall about what year that was on the Arbell show?
Let's see.
Ghost.
I don't know when she was on the show, but I'm just looking at her Wikipedia entry.
Is there a cow in the background?
No, that's.
Oh, I know what it is.
It's cutting trees down near me.
Yeah, it's a chainsaw.
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.
I'm sorry, I had Mexican for lunch.
I just kept bringing this in the background and assumed that you were at a farm or something.
You know, that's unfortunate because you can't replicate that.
Go ahead, B. Doug.
She says that it happened in 1991.
And she was 35 years old when it happened.
But do you know if that episode is in the Arbell Torrent?
I'm not sure.
I don't have that.
I would think it would be.
Maybe someone in the chat room can confirm that for us.
What's her name?
Pam Reynolds.
No, I won't be under that.
Near-death experience.
Yeah, but that.
No, I won't be able to find her.
If you guys have a Halloween story or a spooky story, or you just want to call up to say, hey, the number is 623-242-2278.
Again, that's 623-242-CAT.
You guys celebrate Halloween anymore?
Is it one of those holidays for us curmudging old adult dickheads that we don't celebrate anymore?
Stay off my lawn, you kid.
You got damn kids.
I ain't had no candy.
The only thing I do for Halloween is I watch a bunch of scary movies.
Yeah.
That is one good, really great thing about this time of year is they have a lot of good scary movies.
I also throw frozen candy bars at kids.
When they walk up.
Yeah.
So what?
Was there a story about, Eddie, you had a story that you were telling me about people handing out marijuana-laced lollies?
Oh, that was jazz.
Or that was Onin.
That was Adona.
Yeah, Onin posted something in the secret thread about that, but I wasn't sure if it was a joke or if he was for real with that.
Well, they have a lot of marijuana-laced candy in Colorado.
I could say if you're a parent, you'd be pretty concerned about that.
Oh, yeah.
I didn't even think about that.
I would just be concerned anyway, sending my kids out to strangers' houses to, you know, receive who knows what they're going to put in.
You know, there was always, I guess, when you were kids, there was the urban legend of the razor blades and the candy or the apples or whatever.
And this is just a modern take on that, I guess.
Which I think I heard that too.
I mean, when I was a kid and I trick-or-treated, my parents wouldn't let me eat that candy until I got home and they inspected it.
But I think that that is basically a myth.
I think it's based in some portion of truth.
And I printed out something here.
And I'm looking for the correct one.
But yeah, I think that's in the 70s and 80s, the police, or the 60s, 70s, and 80s, the police were warning parents.
Did we lose you, Eddie?
No, I'm still here.
Eddie, we lost you there for a second.
Really?
Oh, you know what's happening is it's grayed out.
And see, you know what I saw on my mumble screen was YouTube grayed out.
So it's that same mumble issue, that glitch that's.
No, it's the Eddie Dean issue, man.
Well, not from my perspective.
You know, last time we...
Well, it's definitely you, man.
Last time we tried the mumble server on my machine, and I thought the reason that we were getting that problem was because of Skype, and now it's on your server, and we're still getting that issue.
So it's got to be some sort of a setting in the mumbles config file.
I'm guessing.
No, it's probably some bullshit on your network.
Like maybe your neighbor's using a shitty cordless phone or something.
I don't know.
The microwave.
Maybe, are you using your microwave or something?
No.
You're cooking a burrito?
No, no.
I'm sitting here in front of the microphone talking to you, fine folks.
So, yeah, I don't know what the reason is.
Where was I?
Maybe we should end the show then.
Why would we do that?
I don't know.
We were on a roll, aren't we?
I thought we were on a roll.
I could have sworn we were on a roll.
But VW clearly does not want to end the show.
Well, we haven't even made it in an hour, and we've been having technical difficulties.
I feel like our audience demands more from us.
They demand more.
We have to persevere.
Let's see.
Let's look and see.
Being a parent of young kids, I don't think I would like my kids going around to strangers' house and accepting food.
I mean, we tell our kids all the time, don't take food from strangers, don't talk to strangers.
And yet, this one day of the year, we just send them out in disguise, people's houses who are in disguise and say, here, take, talk and take from strangers.
Yeah, it's a little strange.
Yeah, especially in this day and age where everyone's a serial killer.
So it says Wikipedia tells me that several events fostered the candy tampering myth.
In 1959, a California dentist, William, however you pronounce it, Schneider Schneid, gave candy-coated laxative pills to trick-or-treaters.
He was charged with outrage of public decency and unlawful dispensing of drugs.
Dentist?
Yeah, dentist.
People, laxatives?
What an asshole?
Candy-coated laxative to kids.
That sounds like something Tanko would do.
I think Tanko has done that.
Maybe he's the founder of Tanko.
It goes on.
Wikipedia goes on to say in 1964, an annoyed Long Island or Long Island New York woman gave out packages of inedible objects to children who she believed were too old to be trick-or-treating.
The packages contain items such as steel wool, dog biscuits, and ant buttons, which are clearly labeled with the word poison.
I don't know what exactly what ant buttons are.
It's like the little things, little metal canisters, or like a little round button that you put on the ground and ants crawl in and die.
It's like an ant motel, but round.
And it says, though nobody was injured, she was prosecuted and pled guilty to endangering children.
The same year saw media reports of live-filled bubblegum being handed out in Detroit and rat poison being given in Philadelphia.
So that's what Wikipedia says.
But there's also another article on Snoops that says that basically since 1983, I have followed stories about contaminated Halloween treats in the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, and Chicago Tribune, going back to 1958, said sociologist Joeled by Beast in a 2002 interview.
Every time a case has been reported and caused, the cause of death or injury has turned out to be something other than the Halloween candy.
And I keep getting a call on my cell phone here, too.
So I think basically it happened.
It has happened in the past, but I don't think that it is as prevalent or as widespread as some people think.
You mean like Ebola?
Yeah, exactly.
But I mean, you can't blame parents from trying to protect their kids.
You know, that is scary.
And it's also your kids are more likely to get hit by a car than they are to have somebody try to slip poison or something in their candy.
So you can take solace in that thought.
You sound very pro-trick-or-treat, Dean.
And yet you have no children.
That's right.
Curious.
You know, Halloween was always fun for me as a kid.
You know, we went trick-or-treating out for every year that I could until I was, I think, I don't know, maybe 12, 13, something like that.
We used to build haunted houses and give out candy.
Used to go to Halloween parties, things like that.
So yeah, Halloween is fun, you know, for me.
At least it used to be before I turned into an old man and curmudgeon.
So did I answer your question there?
God damn it.
You know what?
My fucking machine just died again.
We're off the air.
Are you serious?
Yes.
Do it live.
I'll write it and we'll do it live.
In case you weren't awake.
Yeah, everything is conspiring against us tonight to prevent us from finishing this gab cast.
So I apologize, everybody.
I don't know why this PC just decides to power down.
I mean, nothing.
Is it because you keep turning it off?
No.
I keep hitting the power button with my penis for some reason.
Oh.
Don't know why.
Yeah.
So that's twice in the lovely image.
Thank you for sharing.
You're welcome, sir.
You're welcome.
You know, the funny thing is, is I don't think I saw one complaint in the chat room about us not being on there.
So you guys have anything you want to talk about or should I just shut this fucker down?
God damn it.
Someone's telling us something.
It's time to go.
Yeah.
Pack it up, kids.
Y'all suck.
Yeah, I don't know.
I guess you're right.
We can't do it live anymore.
It live.
I can do it right now.
I will do it live.
But I must tell you, for people that will download this podcast on ufo ship.com, there's some bonus material in there that some slurs.
Some very, very racial epithets and cursing.
Very, lots of cursing.
And I think even a well, I don't want to say that.
I think I'll refrain from saying what I was in my mind.
Well, don't get too specific.
Then otherwise, people have no reason to pay for the box set when it comes out.
Exclusive content.
That would be nice.
So when we produce the box set for the Gabcast, what's that going to be packed in?
Is that going to be in a roll of toilet paper?
How's that work?
It has to be, you know, you need to be green in this day and age.
So I think that needs to be reused.
Or some sort of recycled toilet paper or.
Oh, please don't go there.
Some recycled paper, I think, would be great.
I'm not sure when that box set will come out.
It's going to ship with a box or a thing of waxabrew.
All right.
Well, do you guys have anything else you want to talk about tonight?
Well, not if you're going to turn your computer off again.
God.
I know.
It's all my fault.
I'll take the blame for that.
I'll shoulder the blame for this one.
I ruined the show and I apologize.
You pooped all over Halloween, you ass.
Well, thanks for listening to this segmented version of the Gabcast.
Just make believe that we were in commercial when we went off the stream.
Not sure what else to explain that.
But thanks for listening, everybody, in the chat room at ufoship.com.
Remember that the spec sheet is on tomorrow night, and there's also the Fret File Workship, Guitar Workshop Podcast that comes out, I believe, middle of the month every month.
So check out UFOShip for that.
And I think that's it.
I'm Eddie Dean.
We'll see you next time, everybody.
Good night.
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