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04 August, 2014

04 August, 2014 ---------- The guys talk about 10 famous ghost pictures and try to debunk them. The Ebola fears in the USA might be over exaggerated. Maureen and Redacted (two lovely members from Bellgab.com) call to share their ghost stories.

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Hey, everybody.
Welcome to the Gapcast.
This is the August 4th edition of the Gabcast.
I'm Eddie Dean.
We've got B-Dub and Jazz Munda joining us tonight.
What's up, guys?
Not much.
Hey, can you keep it down?
I'm trying to listen to this Jimmy Fallon sketch.
You're listening to something else while you're trying to do the Gabcast?
Oh, yeah, that.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Good point.
What's going on?
Hey, everybody.
You know, we almost did not have a show.
I couldn't get a hold of the stream, but all I really needed to do was tell my WinAmp to connect.
So kind of panicked a little bit earlier, just a few minutes ago, but it all worked out.
And also, the PC that I used to stream to UFOship.com, the chat room, it died this morning.
So I had to scramble and use the old PC that I used to stream from.
So yeah, there was all sorts of problems this morning at the Eddie Dean household.
So I guess you need to apologize to MB for all the abusive text messages you sent him.
Yeah, the panic text messages.
I can't get hold of the stream.
God damn it, you fucker.
But no, yeah, I didn't send those.
But I did send him a text, and I kind of realized a couple minutes later that, well, let me just try to connect and see if it connects.
Even though I can't remote into the PC and the stream was actually down.
I don't know why it wasn't playing, but I ended up connecting.
And here we are, everybody.
Welcome to the Gabcast.
If you'd like to be a part of the show tonight, the number is 623-242-2278.
Again, that's 623-242-CAST.
I hear that we're all going to die from Ebola virus.
Yeah, and it sounds like a real pleasant death as well.
A pleasant death.
Bleeding from the eyes.
I like to have hemorrhage.
Bleeding from the eyes as your organs.
Don't forget about the anus.
Well, that's got blood coming out of everything.
It usually happens to me anyway.
So that wouldn't be anything.
That's nice.
Thanks for sharing.
Poop story.
I was reading about all the symptoms of Ebola, and most of them I have on a daily basis, so I'm a bit worried.
Really?
So what are the actual symptoms of Ebola virus?
Well, it's funny you should ask, Eddie, because I've been researching this all day today.
That's good.
And I get the feeling that this might need to be done in a sexy voice.
Really?
What gives you that feeling?
I don't know.
It just sounds like a real sexy disease as you read through the symptoms and causes.
I guess you can get Ebola transmitted sexually.
So I think it's the only way to do it.
That would be the funnest way to get Ebola.
Exactly.
If you're going to go out, you have to go out with a bang.
So the Ebola virus, or the Ebola virus disease, is the human disease caused by the Ebola virus, obviously.
Symptoms typically start two days to three weeks after infection with the EVD virus.
It may cause fever, sore throat, muscle pains and headaches.
Typically, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea are then followed by a decreased functioning of the liver and kidneys, otherwise known as a Saturday night at Jasmunda's place.
At that point, in the cause of the Ebola virus disease, some infected people begin to suffer bleeding.
Infection with the Embola virus can occur upon contact with either the blood or the bodily fluid of an infected animal, such as monkeys, fruit bats, or pigs.
Oh, wow.
It may also call by contact with human beings.
Oh, damn.
The Ebola virus disease is not naturally transmitted through the air.
The Ebola virus is not inhaled.
Damn.
So I could go on, but basically, it's much of the same thing.
Well, we've got another hour to fill, so why don't you just read the whole Wikipedia page, would you please?
Basically, just avoid contact with anyone and everything.
So Cat Smile says that they are fapping to this.
Well, that actually, I didn't read on, but that actually can cause Ebola as well.
Fapping?
Yes.
You're fapping after you stuck your hand in somebody else's liquidized organs and fapped with that as a lubricant, I suppose.
Oh, goodness gracious, that was not necessary.
I couldn't help myself.
Have you seen that Jesus' Magic movie with Sarah Silverman?
No.
Is it her stand-up thing?
It's stand-up, but it's a movie.
It's kind of a little bit of both.
It's pretty funny.
She's telling the story and she gets emotional.
She's on stage and she's doing this bit, but she starts getting emotional.
She actually has a tear come out and she kind of wipes it off of her eyebrow and kind of flicks it.
But one of her stage hands catches the tear and then uses it to masturbate with.
Which he could get Ebola doing that.
Which is why I bring that up.
If Sarah's infected.
Yeah, see, that's why everything I say is for a reason.
And what reason?
I forgot.
To creep people out.
That's the reason that I said what I said.
Creep people out.
Yeah, you did a fine job, sir.
So everybody's freaking out that they're bringing patients over to America.
They brought two people.
Two.
Two.
That's all it takes, really.
Two people?
They're not bringing like thousands of people over.
They're not like transporting the entire subcontinent of Africa over here.
Yeah, I'd be more worried if it was an airborne-born virus, but as long as they keep these guys and those who have contact with them protected, then yeah.
I mean, it's just like if you wear a condom and you have sex with one of those pigs that has the virus, you should be fine.
Nice.
Says you?
Well, he's Australian, so of course he would.
Yeah, if it was sheep.
If it was transmitted like the flu is.
I thought that was New Zealand, Jazz.
That's all over the place.
Okay.
If it was transmitted like the flu is, I might be a little bit more worried.
But two people coming over to the United States being transported by an ambulance down a main street.
Just think that people got a little bit freaked out, you know, a little too worried about that because...
That's everybody's default setting is freaked out.
It is.
Everybody freaks out about everything now.
There's no calm, even response.
You talk about what kind of milk you use with the grape nuts this morning, and people, oh no, you can't use soy milk because that's got kerogene in it.
It'll irritate your bowels.
Or if you drink soy milk, they'll go, oh, it's kind of an estrogen receptor thing going on.
It'll cause cancer.
Blah, blah, blah.
It's always something.
Yeah, I wonder if it's.
I wonder if it's the same people.
Yeah, probably.
The alarmist.
But, I mean, you guys remember when everybody was freaking out about, was it swine flu?
Oh, yeah.
A couple years ago.
That and SARS.
Yeah, it's SARS and the bird flu.
Is that SARS the same thing as bird flu or is that something different?
I don't know.
But, you know, the thing is, SARS is probably more dangerous because it was airborne.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Transmitted by SARS isn't anywhere near as lethal as Ebola, which is why people are scared of Ebola.
How fast can you die after you contract Ebola?
24 to 36 hours.
Is it really that fast?
Wow.
Yeah.
Of course, I'm speaking as someone who just absolutely is just talking out of their ass and has not done any research.
That's what we usually do.
We all do that on the Gabcast.
If we don't know it, we'll just make it up.
Well, actually, I think that's where the five-second rule comes from, doesn't it?
If it falls in the floor and you're not dead, and five seconds from Ebola, you can still eat it.
Something like that.
I think it's a little different, but I understand what you say.
My bad.
So we've got people blaming anyone for bringing these people back.
Are people blaming Obama?
Oh, of course.
Everything's Obama's fault.
I'm sure they're blaming the CDC and the local.
Jazz, didn't you know?
Jazz, didn't you know that before Obama became president, people were immortal and there was no disease or war or economic hardship?
No, of course not.
Yeah, so.
Well, you wouldn't know because you're not American.
You're not a Republican.
Oh, I'm getting political.
I'm sorry.
You son of a bitch.
Son of a biscuit.
The one thing we try not to talk about is the politics and religion.
Well, I blame Jazz because he was blaming who's blaming the Ebola.
He was blaming what?
Who was responsible for the Ebola nonsense?
Yeah, I don't know where it started.
But I don't think it's going to be any big deal.
I think it's going to be fine, and we'll get past this one, and everybody will be freaking out on the next big thing that comes down the road a couple years from now.
Thanks, media.
Or sooner.
Thank you, Electronic Media, for making everyone crap their pants collectively.
You guys want to get into the ghost thing, or you have anything else to say about Ebola?
Such a cheery way to start the show, by the way.
Isn't there like an Ebola bebop bebop Ebola?
No.
You don't know that song?
That might have been.
There was a band in Chapel Hill that had a song like that.
That's probably why I'm getting that.
Talking about Bebop Ebola?
They're talking about the Ebola virus?
It was a parody.
Oh.
Bebop Ebola.
I got the virus.
Something like that.
Yep, I sang on the Gapcast.
It's ruined.
It's officially ruined.
I really don't know where to go from there.
Down.
That's the only direction left.
I think we're already at the bottom.
If you guys have noticed We posted some If you haven't noticed We suck Posted some ghost pics on ufoship.com, the main page.
They are the 10...
What are they?
They're 10 ghost pics from 18.
I'm hearing an echo through my headphones, so I don't know why.
Are you guys hearing myself?
Because you have your head up your ass.
I don't think that's it.
I actually, actually, before we go on, I did have something to say about the Ebola thing, and it wasn't directly related to Ebola, but our fearless leader, Art Bell, he made a comment on Facebook about Ebola.
And the comment I'm going to make isn't so much about the comment then being made, but it was just an observation that I think that Art should be making more such comments during his forced two-year hiatus, that he should be using social media as a bit of a platform to keep him out there, to keep him relevant, to get people still, you know, knowing that he exists and in preparation for his big return come next year.
So he made some comment just saying he wishes that he, this is one of the times that he wishes he was on the air so that he could talk about what was happening with this, with bringing these two people back in the country.
So I'm thinking, you know, he's got a great opportunity.
He's got 12,000 followers on Facebook.
He can, if he makes comments on, you know, news items like this or stuff that's happening in the world, then, you know, he's more likely to have people retweet or share that story and in turn gaining more followers and more followers.
And then when it's time for him to come back, well, he's got a little bit of a built-in audience already rather than starting from scratch.
Yeah.
So anyway, that's my two cents.
You've talked about that before.
I think it's a pretty good idea, but I don't know.
Honestly, I don't know if he's going to be back.
I hope he is back, and I hope he broadcasts again.
But I mean, it's still a little less than a year away.
Was it July 2015?
Yeah.
So, I mean, I think he kind of already has a built-in audience, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to take to social media and post something every week or a link to stories that he likes or just anything to keep in contact with people.
It's just to keep relevant, just to keep his name out there.
And that, hey, I'm still here.
I'm still discussing these topics.
It doesn't have to be paranormal and it doesn't have to be political, but keep yourself relevant and out there.
I think that he might think that in his mind that when he posts something once every four months or whatever on Facebook, that he's effectively doing that, but he's delusional.
But I was going to say, here's my beef, guys.
Jasmunda, if you had posted that on the forum, I would have a post for Master Post Theater.
Well, I'll think ahead next time.
You know what?
I did post something about that.
So yes, just because you don't read the newspaper.
Fair, I mean, you don't read Belgab 24-7.
I did make a post and I'll link to it.
But yeah, I just think he can be doing more than he's doing.
And you can't say that, oh, but he's old, he doesn't know how to use social media.
That's bullshit.
He has always been on the cusp of new technologies.
He was, you know, when the internet started, he had BBS boards or whatever they were called and those bulletin boards.
He was in IRC chat rooms.
He knows how to use this stuff.
And, you know, if not, he's got a wife and daughter who can show him how to use it.
Maybe we could design a new bit around this.
What is Art Bell doing with his day when he's not posting social media?
Like 9 to 11 a.m., bowel movement.
Yes, 11.30, shower.
11.30 to 4 o'clock, bacon.
Or not.
Okay, so maybe we won't make a bit out of it.
But you get my.
Here's the thing.
He just, like, I think if you go and look at his Twitter stream, like one of the last things that he says on his Twitter stream is about like one of the first episodes of the Gabcast or something.
Or the spec sheet.
When the spec sheet was on DMRN or whatever the hell it's called.
Hey, spec sheet's going to be on DMRN at X o'clock just to plug.
Yeah, just, and that's it.
That was the last thing he put out there.
And that was probably Keith.
I'm sure.
I've been feeling Jazz or Art didn't actually post that.
Yeah.
It was probably Keith acting as proxy.
One thing that was interesting that Art said on Bellgab when he was posting is he said, you guys have schooled me in how internet works or how chat rooms or forums work.
He said something like to the in the way of I've learned more about forums and the internet and find that and then we could read that for internet or the theater.
Yeah.
And I don't know why he hasn't posted back on Bellgab.
You know, maybe he's at Abandon Us.
Because he's a jerk.
Yeah, I just feel he could be doing more, you know, so that when he does come back, it's not an uphill battle to get people to know that he's out there.
I mean, he's got two years of making posts on Facebook.
And, you know, every time he makes a post, I see there's, you know, hundreds and hundreds of people share that thing.
And when you share something on Facebook, it then goes to people who, you know, if I share something that Art Bell says, then a whole lot bunch of people that follow me or friends with me see that and they may say, oh, Art Bell, he's, you know, he's still around.
I'll follow him.
And all of a sudden, instead of 12,000 followers, in six months' time, he might have 50,000 or 60,000.
Who knows?
I don't know how this stuff goes organically, goes viral, but he's got a chance to build his audience just by making posts on Facebook.
And why not?
Good point.
Thank you, Jeff.
Jeff.
Yeah, I don't know how many listeners he will actually have, but he definitely needs to build it up.
Even though it's going to be free.
Let me ask you guys this.
Do you think the Art Bell show, the streaming show that he's going to start next year is going to be free for as long as he does it?
Or do you think that he will actually bring in advertiser or bring in some sort of a pay system?
I think he'll probably have, you know, like a lot of podcasts people are doing.
They'll do plugs for a product like Hulu or Netflix or whatever.
He said that it'll be free, so I'm sure he'll have advertising.
I'm sure he'll get Zcrane to advertise on there.
And as long as that's paying for, you know, then that should be fine.
I mean, I would pay, I know I would pay a subscription.
Well, we all already did with Sirius.
I know, but I would probably pay for just say he offered The show's podcast afterwards.
And you could only get a via subscription.
I may pay for that.
Not exorbitant amounts, I might add, but yeah, I'd give him a hand.
That would actually be the smart thing because he could broadcast the show for free, and then, you know, you have to pay 99 cents to download the podcast.
Yeah, premium content.
I don't know.
But, I mean, he said that he doesn't do this for money.
I mean, he does it because he just loves broadcasting from what he says.
Well, I think he would want to cover his expenses at the bare minimum.
Because that way, at least he's breaking even and not operating at a loss.
Yeah.
I would agree.
So, yes.
I'm just looking through Art's posts.
I'm not seeing anything.
I think you're playing with my feelings, Eddie Dean.
About what?
When you said that?
About the arts post about how we schooled him.
Well, he said something to the effect of I've learned more posting at Bellgab in the past couple months than I knew my entire life about the internet.
Something like that.
All right.
So it's there.
It's there somewhere.
Okay.
So you guys want to talk about this ghost thing?
Yeah.
I mean, it went to the trouble to posting the pics on the main page at ufoship.com.
I just put the link in the chat room if you're listening to the podcast download.
I don't know if they will actually stay in that spot because it's kind of the main page.
Well, we can offer a link.
What I'll do is I'll offer a link to the actual pictures in the show description if you want to look at the pictures if you're listening to the podcast download.
But go to ufoship.com and there's 10 pictures there that were that are purportedly supposed to be pictures of ghosts.
You guys want to set one picture one up or I mean, I think this was beat up.
Wasn't this your idea to do this?
Yes, it was.
So I just looked at this and I thought it was kind of interesting.
There's one pic on here that I think is pretty interesting.
And a lot of several of the pics I just think are kind of ridiculous.
So I don't know.
Do we want to start with the good stuff and work our way down to the nuns?
Maybe just go one at a time.
One at a time.
Yeah, the first one.
I mean, are these photos more credible because they're old-timey photos and they didn't have Photoshop in those days?
See, the thing is, you don't need Photoshop to fake a ghost.
I know.
It's double exposure.
And some of these pictures, there's a couple pictures that are contemporary.
91, I think the hidden cowboy, number eight, is from 91, and I think there's another one that was in the city.
Yeah, the hidden cowboy looks like.
Well, okay, we'll start with the brown lady.
Okay, number one, the brown lady.
I think that could be a double exposure.
Yeah.
I mean, that's probably true of number two as well.
I mean, I took a photo when I was about seven years old, and it must have been the camera strap got in the way, and it looks like a ghost.
It could easily pass off as a ghost photo, but it's clearly probably a camera strap.
And it looks similar to this.
Well, as Jasmunda, as your Tommy Danheiser, I want to encourage you to try to turn that into a career of some sort by pretending it is in fact a ghost.
Well, I once sent it into during the 90s.
I did send it into Keith as a ghost photo.
What did they say?
Did they return?
It didn't get, you know, when Art used to do the ghost to ghost shows and he would ask people to send through photos.
I said that in once and it didn't get on the site, so they must have thought it was pretty crap.
It's just a damn camera strap.
Come on, man.
They probably get so inundated with pics that their server fills up and they can't even receive more emails.
So they may have gotten it.
They probably didn't.
And most of them are the, excuse me, most of them are probably from the cockpit variety, too.
Yes, my cock does look like a ghost.
Lovely.
So number two, I mean, that looks like a person.
What are we looking at here?
You know what really sells these things is the descriptions or the stories behind them.
I mean, I didn't include the descriptions, and that kind of takes away from the mystique of the pictures.
You know, the number one, you said it looks like a double exposure, which is exactly what it is, but you know, the description.
Maybe we can post a link to the original, the original site where there's descriptions on each one of these.
But, you know, the original site said that, you know, I think this was in 1891, the number one picture of the brown lady.
And it said the person that took the picture was from some magazine or something.
And, you know, they had an expert look at it and they certified that it wasn't double exposure.
It wasn't messed with in any way.
You know, so that adds to the mystique on some of these things.
Number two, Tulip in the Tulip staircase?
Yes.
I don't even see.
I see somebody standing there next to a staircase with their hands on the rail.
It doesn't look very ghostly to me at all.
Yeah.
I mean, I could probably set up a photo like that and pass it off as being a ghost.
Yeah, I mean, it's blurry.
And I think this one is from 60, from like 65 or 66.
So it's not like one of those old, old pictures.
Well, 50 years old, but I mean, not, you know, 1800s old.
Yeah, I call that one bullshit.
That doesn't look like a ghost at all to me.
Yeah.
I'm inclined to think that it's someone doing some jackassery with the camera.
Yeah.
A couple kids getting all squirrely.
Number three, backseat driver.
I had a hard time seeing the actual ghost here.
And, you know, the driver, he looks like he's in a strange position.
There's some foolishness going on here because he looks like he's entirely too close to the door unless he's about to exit the vehicle.
I don't know.
The driver looks strange to me.
Yeah, but is the ghost supposed to be that guy that you can see through the driver's side window behind him?
It could just be a guy in the backseat.
I don't see what's ghostly about that.
The only reason it's ghostly is because the story says that there was no one in the backseat at that time.
I can take a picture of me standing next to my sister and tell people.
My sister wasn't standing next to me at the time.
She's been dead for two years.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, there's really no way to corroborate that either.
I mean, you just take their word for it.
Yep.
If you choose to believe it, you're not.
I think what it said is this guy was going to his mother's funeral or coming back from his mother's funeral, and he was in the car by himself.
And somebody took this picture of him, and that's his mother sitting in the back seat.
Yeah.
His dead mother.
And the only thing we have to go by is the anecdote, whether it came from him or someone else.
Right.
So, you know, he could have been so distraught from the death of his mother that he forgot that Aunt Ethel was in the back seat.
Or it could have been a picture taken before, you know, before his mother died, and it just got mixed into the picture album somehow.
It's not necessarily the case that someone is out to put one over on us.
They could be confused.
Yeah.
You know, that happens.
Just a simple mistake.
Yeah, I agree with that.
It happens to me every day.
Not everyone's evil.
Just most of the people on Bellgap.
Just most of the people on the gab cast.
Number four, Freddie Jackson.
I had a hard time finding where this dude's picture, you know, there's a blown-up picture of a guy, and then, you know, there's a big picture of a bunch of people sitting there for some sort of military.
I'll tell you where he is.
Where is he?
I can't find it.
He's the fourth guy over in the back from the left.
Yeah, but it could just be One Tooth.
He's one of these number four.
I can say it now.
But it could just be a guy standing behind him.
That didn't get into the photo.
Oh, wait, guys.
I'm not in the photo yet.
Well, yeah, but he doesn't look very solid for an actual guy standing there.
Well, if he was moving fast to try and get into the picture, it might be a bit blurry.
You know what that looks like?
See, this is.
That looks like a double exposure type of thing.
It looks like maybe somehow the face of the guy next to him or even the face of the guy in the picture in the blow-up got double exposed somehow or got somehow got double image there.
So, but here's the thing: this is the one I think is probably the most plausible.
I don't know if that's the right word, but of all the pics on this page, this is my favorite.
Really?
Because if it is a double exposure, you don't see details overlaying with the face of the dude standing there.
The guy's face is pretty solid.
There's not like faces overlapping.
The details are, you definitely have this very solid guy here, and then there's like this kind of misty thing in the background.
So, yeah, it could have been a double exposure, but there's no overlap.
There's a very clean edge here with good detail.
So, I don't know.
I think that would be a tough, like in the day when this was taken, that would have been a tough thing to fake.
Yeah.
And what I understand about this photograph is it was taken later in the day, and this guy, supposedly, the guy whose ghostly image is appearing here, next to the skies, had died either the day before or earlier that day.
Or it was actually the day of his funeral when this was taken.
Right, a couple hours after his funeral.
Yeah.
So, I don't know.
And the people say that's they swear that that's Freddy.
And they say that looks like the guy who died.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I don't know.
You know, it's hard to see the face.
It looks like there's some sort of enhancement on the blow-up, the blow-up picture there, because when you look at the original scale picture, you can't see the dude's face at all.
Maybe that's just because of the way the internet is, and it's pixelating a little bit when you see it.
Yeah, I mean, that's a very low-res file.
Yeah.
And there could be some JPEG artifacts there, and it may have been a bad scan.
Yeah, that's probably the deal.
So, again, it's like, and we don't have access to, maybe someone could find a higher-res scan of this Freddy Jackson photograph.
But again, we don't have access to the original.
And these were all released before Photoshop, right?
I mean, these were verified that they've been in the press and been in the public eye before computers were around, right?
I mean, somebody didn't take one of these old pictures and enhance it with Photoshop and then put it in.
That's definitely a possibility, but I mean, really anything on this page, that could be true of anything on this page, but I think the story of Freddie Jackson predates the advent of high-powered personal computers and imaging software.
Yeah, I would assume that that's the case for all of these photos.
Because otherwise, why would anyone care?
You're right.
You're right.
Number five, the Madonna of Bachelor's Grove.
I mean, that can just be somebody sitting there.
It doesn't look like a ghost to me at all.
It looks like just a lady sitting there with maybe overexposed a little bit and a lot of sun.
And I don't remember the story behind this picture, but I mean, if you're walking around and you've got a camera and you see, what is there in this photograph to be to make you want to take a photograph?
Yeah, it's a dream.
It's a lovely story.
It's a lovely ghost.
Again, I don't know what the story is here.
I haven't been able to find that link.
Is she sitting on a rock?
Do we have the link for the article that these came out of?
They're probably on Belgab where you posted them.
I looked in the show thread.
I couldn't find them.
I'll find it for you.
It should be on the top there.
Yeah, but you know what makes this?
It's a story, just like we've said before.
I'm sure that the lady said she was taking a picture of this lovely sun on this rock.
And when she got it developed, wow, there was a ghost there.
Well, this was the one taken in 91 during a paranormal investigation by the Ghost Research Society of Bachelors Grove.
Well, that's not suspicious at all.
Yeah.
What was that, Jess?
It was taken on August the 10th, 1991 during a paranormal investigation by the Ghost Research Society of Bachelors Grove Cemetery, which is in a suburb in Midlothian, Illinois.
So it doesn't even look like a photo taken in 1991.
It certainly doesn't.
Looks like they're using an old camera.
It's really grainy.
To me, there's more likely to be some tomfoolery going on here than some of the others.
Is it tomfoolery or chicanery?
Gabcast reports, you decide.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm going to call bullshit on this.
I think it's shenanigans.
Shenanigans?
That's what we're talking about.
The next photo is a local photo for me.
It was taken in Australia.
Really?
And we know that Australians never lie.
That's right.
It was taken by Reverend Blantz.
I don't see a cock in there at all.
At Corroboro Rocket Alice Springs in Melvin.
Cockaburi Rockcock Spirit.
Yeah, this could be Paredola.
Well, let's let Jazz finish.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
No, it's just a photograph of a woman holding her hands towards her face, peering out into the distance.
It was taken in 1959, and she does look to be a bit transparent, but go on, beat up.
I agree with your assessment.
That could be Paredola.
Like you're seeing the image of an individual there when really it's just, you know, some accidental bunch of random things that you'll just shapes, shadows, just kind of accidentally resembling something and your mind kind of fills in the blanks.
Yeah.
I didn't even think of it like that because it sure looks like a woman in a white dress holding.
It looks like she's holding the camera to me, but it could indeed be paradolia.
Visual pareidolia.
She's holding a cockpit up to her face.
She can't see it.
Number seven?
That's the young girl in the window.
It's photographed.
It was in England, and the building it was taken in was actually on fire at the time.
There was, well, no one in the building at the time, yet this photo shows a young girl peering out.
So, yeah, this was, and it says that in 1677, a young girl accidentally set fire to the roof with a candle setting off ablaze and it burned down the whole place.
So this is generally believed that this ghost is her.
And I mean, that could just be a kid in the building, but because the building was on fire at the time.
Yeah, but do we know that it was on fire?
Because I don't see anything in the photograph that would indicate that it was.
No, me neither.
I have no idea I wasn't there.
You just have to take the photographer's word for it.
Yeah, but let's take a look at the photographer, Dr. Vernon Harrison, president of the Royal Photographic Society.
Harrison deemed that the photograph had not been tampered with.
Well, actually, he verified that it had not been tampered with.
So you've got this guy named this Irish guy who supposedly took the photograph, and then you've got this English guy saying, nope, there's no shenanigans here.
So I don't know.
Again, it comes back to someone's personal testimony.
Yeah.
So.
What they have to gain to say, look, a ghost.
Well, even that, I mean, what they have to gain or whether they're credible.
Yeah.
You know, I think a big chunk of this is, was the building empty?
And I don't know.
It doesn't look like it to me.
It looks like some girl was there when they took the picture.
Now, if the light inside it is there because the building is indeed ablaze, you know.
But it could easily just be like the lights are on and someone's poking their head over the side.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's suspicious.
I don't think that looks like a ghost.
I think it's just some girl.
To number eight, same type of thing for me.
I think this said it was taken in 1991.
96.
96.
There's a guy in Tombstone, Arizona.
He's dressing up like a Wild Bale Hickok.
Or who's dressing up like somebody, and his friend takes his picture in black and white.
And lo and behold, there's somebody in the back in the bushes with looks like it has a gangster hat on.
And to me, it looks like this is a little kid that was playing around in the weeds or in the brush behind him and popped up when the guy took a picture.
Yeah.
I mean, when I saw the photo in the beginning, I thought, I didn't realize that it was from 1996.
And I thought it was, I thought it was one of the, you know, when you go to those places where you can dress up as, you know, old-timey photos where you put on the old, and that's what I thought this guy was doing, which it turns out he was.
So I didn't realize, yeah, because the photo was taken in 96.
And that doesn't even have to be a person back there.
If they say if they faked it, that could just be a bust of a mannequin or a statue.
Yeah.
And they stick a hat on it.
But the description said it was a man, and that sure does not look like a man to me.
That looks like a little kid.
Or a mannequin.
Who knows?
All right, number nine, Toys R Us Ghost.
This one is creepy.
You want to read the description out, Jas?
Yeah, it says it's an infrared photograph that was taken during a paranormal investigation at Toys R Us in Sunnyvale, California.
The man leaning against the shelves in the background was not seen with the naked eye.
Other shots taken at the same time with high-speed film showed no trace of him.
So that could just be a guy standing there.
But why would they be taking pictures in infrared?
It doesn't look necessarily like infrared.
It would be.
I mean.
I've seen, I think it was an Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack.
They did an episode about this.
Oh, about this picture.
Yeah, about the store that had supposedly been haunted by this guy.
Yeah.
Again, you know, I'm not convinced.
I think the story is interesting.
But then again, you know, it's all secondhand stuff.
There's, you know, we could say this is evidence, but how hard would it be to fake that?
Not very.
Not very.
No.
So.
Taking somebody word.
It's an interesting story.
I like this story, frankly.
I want to believe in it, but I look at this photograph and there's nothing there that's like slam dunk, like, oh yeah, this is real.
Yeah.
I mean, it's spooky looking, and it looks like a typical ghost picture, you know?
Because it's kind of hazy and his outline isn't real sharp.
Why is there such like when you shot this, you're basically it's like they were looking into the light source almost.
It's kind of like the impression I get.
Like there's a light source at the end of the row, the aisle, you know, behind this dude.
And then you've got another light source.
You see these people to the left that are illuminated and then this person in the foreground on the right that's really bright.
I don't know.
I don't.
If they had the lights off, why would you?
I don't know.
It almost looks like a skylight or something to me.
That real bright illumination in the lower right.
Looks like something.
The sun's peering through a real defined spotlight for some reason.
Or it could be just they left it's overexposed a little bit.
Yeah, that's strange.
Number 10.
Jazz?
Yeah, number 10 is a photograph of the library in Comba Meer Abbey.
It was taken in 1891.
It's a figure of a man can be seen sitting in the chair on his left.
His head and collar and right arm on the armrest can be clearly made out.
This is reputed to be the ghost of Lord Combermere.
So, yeah, I mean, it just looks like a double exposure again.
Well, it could be a ghost.
I mean, it could very well be a ghost, but it could also be an overexposure.
Or not an overexposure.
Double.
A double expose.
Yeah, because you can't see the entire ghost or the entire person from his waist down.
I don't see a man, I'm hearing an echo in my headphones, and it's really distracting.
I don't know where that's coming from.
But you can't see his feet or his boots or whatever he's wearing.
And it looks like you can see through the picture through his head or his torso.
So I mean, these are all things that would be easily done today in Photoshop, but obviously in 1891, they didn't have the technology to do that.
But I mean, could they have done that in 1891?
Could someone make a fake photo like that?
Double exposure.
Yeah.
Sure.
I think so, yeah.
Takes care of that.
There you go.
We've solved the internet.
There are no ghosts.
We're all dead.
I hope there's ghosts.
I just don't think there's any proof for ghosts.
I haven't been satisfied that there's proof.
That's all.
Yeah, look, it's the type of thing that if I took the photo and I knew for sure there wasn't someone there when I took the photo, then I would scream till I'm blue in the face that it was, but no one's going to believe me.
Yeah, so if someone were intentionally going to hoax people with a photograph like this, what would be their primary motivation?
Greed?
Yeah.
Turn a quick buck?
Attention?
A bit of a bit of both with attention and turning a quick buck, maybe.
A little schaddenfrude thrown in for Schadenfreude or however the hell it's pronounced.
Because, you know, people do get off when you put a, you know, if you're trying to put one over on somebody, people kind of get a thrill out of that.
You want to think everyone's acting in good faith and stuff, but that's not necessarily the case.
We're just a bunch of cynics.
We really cast.
Thanks for listening.
That's like somebody's phone's ringing.
Eddie, you're flipping out, dude.
I'm hearing things.
It was my phone ringing.
Ah, see?
Half a world away.
Yeah.
You know, if he was a whole world away, he could be sitting right next to you.
Exactly.
He's in the future, too.
So, I don't know if we've bored our audience to tears, but if you guys would like to call on the show, the number is 623-242-2278.
What?
Yeah.
Perhaps you have a ghost story that we can debunk for you.
I don't know, but I think I want to take a break here.
So we'll be back right after this.
Tonight's word is Gerviewing.
Gerviewing.
He says that he and his remote grewing group.
So, George, what is the definition of Gerviewing?
Now, I'm going to have to look that up.
Well, I doubt it'll help, George.
Really?
Thanks for listening.
Thank you.
And tune in again next time for George Nori's word of the day.
Yep.
George Norrie approved this message.
Yep.
But he didn't understand it.
No, not at all.
Not at all.
Brought to you by the Coalition to bring back Art Bell.
What?
What does that mean? Are you frequently irritable?
This is such a pain in my ass.
Do you often lose your temper?
Oh, god damn it!
I can't believe this!
Do you lash out at others?
Can I borrow your face while my ass is on vacation?
Do you cut people off in traffic?
Hey, watch the Mercedes here.
I'm trying to merge.
Do you laugh at children when they break their bones?
Serves you right, you little shit.
Do you throw rocks at handicap people?
Think fast, Rainman.
Oh, the bad man hurt me.
If so, chances are you're an asshole.
Previously, it was thought there was no hope for assholes.
But now, thanks to Sphinctinex inhalers, there is hope.
Sphinctinex inhalers smells like a fart.
Feels like heaven.
Sphinctinex inhalers cause dehydration, osteopathic, constipation, mellatos, continuous combustion, involuntary colonic discharge, and death.
You just assured me that I could speak.
Sit Ann inside the car.
You're not assuring anybody.
Come on.
Gentlemen, this is Democracy Manifest.
Have a look at the headlock here.
See that chap over there?
Get your hand off my penis!
This is the bike who got me on the penis before.
Get some cups.
Why did you do this?
The population.
Get some cups.
For what reason?
What is the charge?
Eating a meal?
A succulent Chinese meal?
Oh, that's some nice headlocks, sir.
Oh, sir, I see.
Ah, yes.
I see that you know your judo well.
I just had to play that Australian commercial.
That Australian guy.
Get your hand off my penis.
This is the bloke at me by the penis, people.
We haven't played that a long time, but that guy is funny as hell.
Do you guys want to do that the 70s and 80s TV theme show deal, or we want to move on to something else?
Sure.
Let's do it.
Hey, but can you sound less enthused about things when we describe them?
Yes, I can.
Yes, I can.
Do you guys want to do a thing?
A thing?
Well, I mean, we're coming up on the hour here.
Can one of you guys turn your headphones down a little bit?
Or...
Because I'm hearing my voice echo, and it's quite distracting.
Did I say that enthusiastically enough?
It's quite distracting.
I'll just mute my earphones, and I'll just wing it.
Okay, are you wearing earbuds or headphones?
Headphones, proper headphones.
Proper studio headphones, okay.
And I've got my volume turned down, so I don't think it's me.
I'm not sure where that's coming from, but we'll power through it, ladies and gentlemen.
So I downloaded a bunch of 70s theme songs and I thought maybe we could play a little game, maybe play a little bit of one and see if we can guess one.
And if people in the chat room would like to guess, then we can do that too.
Well, does someone in the chat room want to call in and perhaps play?
No, we don't want them to call in.
Okay, fair enough.
Okay, so here's number one.
Oh, let's see, I need to bring, oh.
A little technical difficulty here.
Dude, good mute.
We'd appreciate it.
Dude, stand by.
We are having technical difficulties.
Okay, here we go.
Can't hear it.
It's way quiet.
Please do not sing along with the theme song.
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
So, you guys have a guest?
You have any idea what that is?
Charlie's Angels.
Very good, sir.
We have a caller.
I love.
Hey, you're on the air.
Hello?
Well, we did have a caller.
I brought her on, but I kept her on hold.
All right.
Yeah, that was the guitar sound with the waka wah waka.
70s wa.
Classic.
Wawa pedal, yes.
Very nice.
Boy, if only Peter Frampton had put some kind of patent on that sound, he would just be a gazillionaire.
He really would.
All right.
Number two.
I don't know.
I just don't feel enthused by this for some reason.
I don't know why.
I'm sorry I don't have the enthusiasm for this.
Did you remember to douche before the show?
That's the problem.
That is the problem.
Let's just fake it.
It's radio.
Okay.
You gotta know this.
Oh, yeah.
This was on for 10 years.
Three's company.
Yes.
We've been waiting for you.
Yes, it is Three's Company.
Three's Company.
It was on for 10 years or 10 seasons.
I can't remember.
It was on for a long time.
Yes, I love that show.
Always misunderstandings going on on that show.
I don't know why.
They just could not understand each other.
Don Knotts constantly with the gay jokes.
And that other guy, that other actor, Mr. Furley or Farley?
Mr. Farley, yeah.
It was.
I always.
I kind of feel bad.
Like.
What is happening?
You're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello, hello.
Can you hear us?
Yes, I can.
What's up?
It's Maureen.
Hey, Maureen, what's going on?
Everyone's saying I should call in with my ghost story.
Really?
You have a ghost story?
Okay.
Well, my dad, when he died two weeks before, he was visited by a young girl who had died a year before.
And she came up to his chair and he said, he said, come and play with me.
And he said, no, dear, I'm reading the paper.
And then a few days later, she came to my dad who was taking a nap and he said, come and play with me.
She pulled his sleeve and he said, No, dear, I'm taking a nap.
And then two weeks later, he drowned in Barbados on vacation.
And he was buried at sea, though I didn't know that.
I was in Toronto at the time.
He was buried at sea.
And the morning after he was buried at sea, it was the first time I heard the song of the humpback whale.
Yeah.
So my father is now singing with the whales with fish tickling his ribs.
Huh, that's interesting.
And that's my ghost story.
So I didn't catch the beginning.
Who was pulling on his sleeve?
A young girl.
She was, what, six or seven?
Yeah.
Who had died a year before or two years before that he knew.
And she wanted him to come and play.
And did he ever do that?
Did he go and play with her?
Yes.
Yeah.
All down on the beach.
Wow.
He died as he wanted to do, not very old.
He was only 47.
But he died on a tropical isle.
He was scuba diving in treacherous waters.
Huh.
That's creepy.
I mean, I've never had a ghost touch me or talk to me.
I mean, I've had dreams of ghosts of people that passed on before that would come into my dreams, but I mean, nothing in the waking state.
Well, they do say you should never speak to a ghost.
Why?
And after my father's experience, I would think that maybe, yes.
All right, Maureen.
The happy thing is his singing with the whales.
And the fish are tickling his ribs.
Yeah, that's a good ending.
Hey, it is.
All very karmic and cosmic.
Yes, it is.
All right.
Thanks, Maureen.
Hello to all the gang.
All right.
Thanks for all.
Hi.
Hello.
Thanks for calling.
Should have asked her if she wanted to guess one of the TV theme songs.
Damn it.
I don't know.
My heart just does not end this.
I think I want to.
Do you have anything else you want to talk about tonight, you guys?
Oh, you don't have more shows?
You're not going to stump us?
Yeah, all right.
I guess.
Come on.
Fake it, man.
You can do that.
Act like it's an actual job.
Oh, it's too easy.
Nice.
All right, don't guess it, you guys.
We've got to let somebody in the chat room guess this one.
Anyone?
The older?
Anyone?
Someone, Ketzmils got it, I think, and redacted.
All in the family.
Yeah.
Very good.
I think I heard my throat when I was screaming.
God, you could do that pretty easily with that voice.
Yeah.
So shill.
That was a great idea.
I'm pretty sure my parents watching that show.
I mean, I watched it too, but I didn't get a lot of it because I was so young.
Yeah, there's a lot of adult humor in that.
I remember watching that as a kid and loving it, but like I never really understood why people would always laugh when Archie would flush the toilet.
Yeah.
Or call his brother-in-law Meathead.
That was his son-in-law.
Son-in-law.
Yeah, that's right.
That was Rob Reiner.
The guy went on to direct Princess Bride, among other great movies, like when Harry met Sally.
Spinal Tap.
Spinal Tap when Harry met Sally.
That is a good movie.
All right, we want to do another one.
Yeah, stop us, man.
You got to keep going.
Good song.
I love that show.
Good.
Yeah, Ted Smiles got it.
No, no.
Jeffersons.
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay, yeah, right.
It was the other black show.
I love that show.
That was such a great show.
I like the way George Jefferson would walk away with his arms swinging in the background.
Yeah, you know, Jefferson was funny.
The George Strutt?
The housekeeper, she was hysterical.
Oh, yeah.
She was always getting on his ass.
They were always fighting her and George.
You know, it's like, isn't it odd that the two shows they had for black people, it seems like, on network TV in that time, you had at opposite ends of the socioeconomic spectrum, you had the Jeffersons, which was like, this guy's made it.
He's living the high life in a high-rise building in a condo and blah, blah, blah.
He's got a living made and money.
And then the other one was Good Times, which was at the very, and they were living in a government-subsidized project.
Were they?
I don't remember that much about Good Times.
I remember the dad died, and that always bummed me out.
Yeah.
You're on the air?
Pretty early on.
Like, seriously, on the air right now.
Oh, it's redacted again.
Hey, what's up, girl?
Redacted.
Hey, how are you guys?
I can tell you're so excited.
Yeah, we love you.
We're not going through the motions at all.
It's my fault.
I'm just, I don't know.
I bummed out today, man.
I had a hard day.
And damn it.
Feel sorry for me.
The butthurt is making another run.
The butthurt.
It's coming to my hand.
So I have a ghost story for you guys.
Okay, go ahead.
All right.
So when I was 18 and I moved out to my first place, I was celebrating a little housewarming and wanted to get out of the house because it was all boxes and everything.
So the only place I could think of in the middle of the night to go hang out was let's go to the cemetery, right, and hang out.
Of course.
So there was four or five people with me and we all went to the cemetery and we're looking for a good spot to sit down and chill out.
And all of a Sudden, somebody goes, What's that?
Way over there.
And we all look, and this is how I know I'm only half crazy because everybody saw it, and we saw this little gray white speck way in the distance, and we're just sort of watching it.
And it's getting closer and closer, and we're just mesmerized by it as it's coming up this hill.
And we all start pointing at it, and everybody's going, That, that thing right there.
Do you see that thing?
That thing is moving.
Is that a flashlight?
What the hell is that?
And it finally gets so close, we can see it's a gray figure of like a monk in a monk's robe walking, and he's coming right in front of us.
Really?
And nobody could really say anything because, one, you're not prepared for that.
And two, what's a monk doing out there?
George Nori Soundboard has something to say here.
It was a bunch of leprechauns.
George thinks it was a bunch of leprechauns.
He would.
Can you tell us a little bit about the area you were in when you saw this?
Yeah, it was Sonora, California.
There's a cemetery up on Greenlee Road, and it's up on the edge of the city.
What's the address, please?
No, I'm kidding.
Go ahead.
I don't know the address, but I'm going to map questions of the cemetery is all veteran graves, and the other side is, I don't know, civilians.
And this ghost was walking diagonally across the veteran graves.
And I've researched it.
There's no history of monks being in that area.
And I don't have no explanation for it.
I'm just glad that other people were with me.
And they ran.
The closer it got, it got to about 10 feet away from us.
And they all bolted for the car.
Really?
And I stood there until it walked completely in front of me and then disappeared into the caretaker house.
Did you talk to it?
Did you say anything to it?
I was frozen in place, actually.
I couldn't see if I should have thought of that.
And they were asking me, why are you staying behind?
Because I've never seen this before.
I have no idea.
I want to see what he does.
But no, I didn't have the presence of mind to.
Can you tell us a little bit about that area?
Because I'm not familiar with California at all, except for like, you know, the Bay Area and California Los Angeles.
Is it town old?
Is it historical?
Or is it not that much history?
Sonora, California is up in the old gold country.
It is a little bit historical.
You know, when the gold rush was going on, that was that area sprang up a lot of little towns where they were gold mining.
A lot of violent little towns, too, by the way.
Yes.
Yeah, very violent, you know, Old West, basically.
Yeah, yeah.
So that's also why I have no idea why it would be a monk, because you would think you would see, you know, a cowboy or an Indian or something like that.
Well, don't you think the Spanish could have colonized or had a fort there or something at some point?
That's where the name California comes from.
Calif is like a king, and it's like the land of kings, California.
I thought it meant the land of marijuana.
It means that too.
Well, I thought the Spanish primarily built their missions on the west coast.
Sonora's in the eastern mountain range.
So I didn't know.
Yeah, I'm spitballing here, I guess.
No, but he did look like I've looked up pictures of different types of monks in history, and it looks exactly like one of those Spanish monks.
I mean, you could even see the ropes around his waist.
You could see his knees, you know, under the robe as he was walking along.
He had his hands, you know, folded inside the sleeves of his robe, the hood, everything.
It was, I'll never forget it.
Wow.
So fascinated by it ever since, but I can't really say what it was, what causes that phenomena.
I'm just glad, like I said, that other people were with me when I saw it.
And we were sober.
We hadn't started the festivities yet.
I'd just like to add that.
Yeah, I was going to ask, like, you have a bunch of young people in a cemetery.
How many pounds of marijuana had you smoked at this point?
No, it was unlit in my hand at that moment.
I was just standing there holding it, looking at this thing, just mesmerized, standing amazed.
Interesting.
So did the went even a little bit stoned from the day before, though?
No.
No.
Did you wake and bake?
No.
I'm just looking at the Wikipedia entry for, is it Sonora, California?
Yes.
It's saying founded by Mexican miners.
So you're doing the research right here on air.
Yes.
All in real time.
Wow.
Ladies and gentlemen.
So I'm guessing the bottom of this.
Go ahead.
Mexican miners.
So there's like a heavy Spanish influence.
I'm sure there was a church there, an early church.
If there were Hispanics or Spanish people, they built a mission of some sort.
I don't believe there's any missions up there.
There is a Catholic history.
That'd be the only thing I could think of.
But there are no Spanish missions.
Well, they may have that all that stuff may have fallen down or been buried or whatever.
So, you know, they may have, like, when they built the church in Sonora in the early 1800s, it may have just been a bunch of wooden planks nailed together.
So, you know, who knows?
But I'm sure there was like a Catholic presence.
Yeah, there is still an old red Catholic church there that's still standing from the 1800s.
But I don't know if it ever had monks in it or anything.
I just thought, wow, I will never see this again.
I have to watch until I have to see what happens.
Well, if it was a ghostly priest, if it was a ghostly priest, he could have had on a habit, like a priest's wardrobe, and that may have translated into something that looked like a kind of a giant robe in a ghostly apparition.
I'm just do those priest habits have what?
Do they have hoods?
Sometimes they do.
Really?
Because he had a definite hood that he was wearing.
You could see the folds around his face and everything.
But the image was gray, sort of grayish white from head to toe.
And it was the full body thing.
And, you know, I don't know, when was this?
1993?
So I wasn't carrying around a camera.
I really wish I would have been.
But I will add, too, that none of my friends would talk about that after it happened.
They just wouldn't, you could bring it up and no, no, sorry, I'm Risha.
I don't remember.
Well, I'm sure something like that would people, I mean, you might be in a state of shock after you see something like that.
But I'm wondering, like, so once everyone else split and you're kind of hanging out, like, what happens?
Does it just dissolve or did it take you out and buy you a beer?
I'm just curious.
No, I watched him walk right in front of me.
He was about 10, 11 feet in front of me, and he walked diagonal to the caretaker's house.
Oh, he disappeared into the wall.
Oh, he disappeared into the wall.
So he melted into the wall.
Just like you would imagine a ghost disappearing into a wall.
That's exactly what happened.
And that's when I finally lit it up and went, oh my God.
I'm out of here.
What just happened?
And I stood there for a minute.
I could hear people yelling because it was my car.
So get over here.
Let's go.
Get the keys.
Where are the keys?
Yeah, I had the keys, thankfully.
And on the drive home, nobody said a word, and the party was over.
Can I ask how old you were when this happened?
18.
18.
Interesting.
That's a hell of a story.
I want to thank you for sharing that.
I wanted to call and tell art on Spooky Matter, but my dialing fingers apparently were too slow.
You should call Jasmunda.
He knows the trick to get into art.
I was going to say.
I'm going to take that to my grave.
That should be your epitaph when you die and they make your headstone.
It should be, ought, this is Andy from Australia.
I plan to have my remains scattered in Paramp.
What's that, Jazz?
I plan to have my remains scattered in Paramp.
Nice.
Very nice.
All right, Redacted.
Thanks for the call.
Take care.
Have a good one.
You guys have anything else?
No.
What was it?
Jasmunda going to do another sexy voice piece?
I'm a lot of sexy voices.
I'm not feeling it.
I don't have the enthusiasm to push a button.
Okay.
Well, I'm just a little bit distracted.
I received a call on my phone, and I've got to attend to something when we're done.
Well, we've got to end the gab cast then.
All right, everybody.
Thanks for listening.
This has been the Gabcast.
Thanks to B-Dub and Jazz Munda.
I'm Andy Dean.
Owen couldn't make it tonight, and we missed you, buddy.
Wish you can join us next time.
There's two other shows on theufo ship.com.
It is the internet premiere technology podcast called The Spec Sheet, which is going to be on tomorrow night, and The Fret Files with Eric Daw Guitar Repair Podcast once a month.
The Gab Cat, a podcast about bellgab.com.
Get your hand up, my penis.
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