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May 11, 2026 - Gray Area - Rex Jones & Tim Tompkins
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RED ALERT: Hantavirus explained | Oil Prices EXPLODE| Gray Area LIVE #71

Rex Jones and Tim Tompkins dissect the Stratos Hyperscale Data Center in Utah, which consumes nine gigawatts of power and threatens local water supplies, while debating whether AI infrastructure represents a bubble or inevitable growth. They analyze the Andes virus outbreak on cruise ships, contrasting its low transmissibility with historical pandemics like the Black Death, and critique President Biden's pardons alongside Trump's erratic Supreme Court attacks. The hosts also examine rising gas prices in California, Iran's nuclear rejection, and the moral complexities of Zionism versus anti-Semitism, ultimately questioning if technological expansion and political shifts will trigger economic collapse or societal fracture. [Automatically generated summary]

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71 Episodes and a Birthday Month 00:08:10
rex jones
Evening, evening, 71 episodes of The Gray Area.
Shout out everyone here that's been here for a while.
tim tompkins
That's crazy.
71.
rex jones
Yes.
When did we start?
What month was it?
tim tompkins
We started in September.
rex jones
Okay, there you go.
We're going to circle back to that pretty soon.
That'll be my birthday month, and then the show will probably be at over 100 episodes.
tim tompkins
Crazy.
rex jones
Pretty wild to think about.
And we got some of the regulars in chat.
We got Trans Tim Kennedy, of course.
tim tompkins
We've come a long way, guys.
rex jones
Some others.
tim tompkins
We have come a long way.
unidentified
Way.
tim tompkins
Also, I really, I've been watching the New American Journal.
It's been doing really well, bro.
rex jones
Yeah, no, the morning show has been great.
Really, primarily because of like Anthony Graffio.
He has this ability to get these guests, and we need to get them on Gray Area.
Like Anthony Aguilar, we need to get him on as well, specifically.
Also, Brian McGinnis, you remember the guy that had his arm broken in that like Senate protest?
tim tompkins
Anthony's tapped in.
rex jones
Yeah.
Well, yeah, yeah.
It seems like he's tapped in.
He's locked in.
We've had so many of these people on.
I really want to bring him to Gray Area.
But it is amazing because we're also going to be doing Tuesdays where it's Gray Area in the morning.
And that's going to be the show that you guys saw us do on the Infowars network.
tim tompkins
That was so fun when we were on Infowars.
rex jones
Yeah, it was.
And that'll be we do the hour news blitz, then we do deep dive, then we take calls.
And that'll be traditional format.
And the thing that's really fun about the morning show is this is what people have been really reporting to me online that they want back.
They want to call back into the show.
Cool.
tim tompkins
So we got all that stuff back on.
rex jones
Dude, I'm really looking forward to that.
And like it's actually now I was like bitching and complaining about StreamYard, but I sat in here over the weekend.
I got a little more familiar with it.
It's actually a pretty good format.
Platform, it is.
I know we run off EVMUX, but at least for now, that's what we've been streaming off of.
The only thing that sucks did you know you can't upload videos that are over 200 megabit?
tim tompkins
Yes, which is like lame unless you get like the ultra premium version, which is way too expensive and makes no sense.
rex jones
Yeah, the the the uh Amex black card of uh of streaming platform uh services.
But uh, what do you have prepared for the deep dive today before we get into it?
tim tompkins
Deep dive tonight, guys, is about the haunta virus.
You know, I just I've been seeing, I've been hearing, I've been seeing.
unidentified
I barely know.
tim tompkins
People are just freaking out.
So I was like, let me get back to the bottom of it.
People are making jokes.
And then I kind of went down the rabbit hole and just tried to, sorry, let me gather my thoughts here.
I tried to understand some of the other viruses.
Now I didn't really go deep into COVID because that's a whole deep dive in itself.
We're going to cover a little bit of COVID.
We're going to cover a little bit of swine flu, Ebola, the black plague.
rex jones
Oh boy.
So we got a whole rundown on that.
Of course, we got the Netanyahu 60 Minutes interview, the ongoing oil crisis.
Trump tweeted just like an hour ago more insane stuff.
It always happens.
Like, literally, it's like prepping to do a show is like doing a rain dance for a Trump tweet.
tim tompkins
It's easy to find stuff, though.
rex jones
Dude, well, it's always right on time.
Yeah.
As well, which I will say, we were actually having a little conversation, I think, about the Hantavirus and about like lethality versus transmission and spread.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
rex jones
The reason why COVID was such, you know, just like a mind screw to everybody to not use a nasty word there.
Four letter word.
The reason why I was such a mind fuck, I can't help but say it, is because everyone's like, well, if I go around somebody, if I go within six feet, I will immediately catch the koof and die.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
Or give it to grandma and die and whatever.
And the thing about the things that are very lethal, like the hantavirus, is like, that doesn't tend to spread.
tim tompkins
Yeah, transmission rates are a lot different for more deadly viruses, but we will see the perfect storm that happened with the plague itself.
So it's all, I hope we never have another plague again.
rex jones
But you know, well, I'm Dr. Anthony Fauci, and I said that we were gonna have another COVID, and I think it's about time.
I'll give you a pardon, yeah, exactly.
We're gonna pardon you, exactly.
That's the thing is, like, where am I?
You don't pardon people that are innocent, folks.
So, like, when they pardon Mayorkas, when they pardon Fauci, Biden's not doing that because he has like a golden heart.
They're like, oh, Biden's just got a heart of gold.
He wants everyone to have a pardon.
It's not a good thing.
Like, that's showing like something happened.
unidentified
Wow.
He pardoned his son.
He's such a chivalrous man.
rex jones
Absolutely.
And I think, you know, and they talk about Biden in the auto pen and they'll make it out to be like, oh, it's better because Trump's going to be the one doing it.
We're going to see the same exact thing.
I can't wait to get it.
It's not innocent immediately.
Jared Kushner, Steve Witkopf.
tim tompkins
I can't wait to see the Avengers of the Epstein files get their pardons.
rex jones
You know, we talk about COVID.
COVID is like PTSD.
And like we were removed from it now because it's like five years in the future, five plus years in the future.
And so much has gone on like the Ukraine war, just general economic decline in the West, the war in Iran, stuff happening in Gaza, genocides around the world, you name it.
But what went on during COVID is like this entire country became like a police state for like at least a year.
And like half of it did.
I guess I should say.
tim tompkins
Yeah, it would be very hard for them to shut the entire world down.
rex jones
People are not going to go for that, especially because it was proven that it was BS.
Everything they told you, especially about the vaccine, specifically about the vaccine, they told everyone they had to get the vaccine Biden mandated to 80 million federal employees because it stopped transmission.
tim tompkins
Just wait till I grow a third appendix.
rex jones
It's okay.
You're going to get it.
tim tompkins
It's 10 years from now.
rex jones
No, no, it's like X Men.
You're going to be one of the cool ones.
You're going to get telepathy or something.
You're going to be able to move objects with your mind.
But that's the thing, it's like, There were so many different lot numbers.
There were three primary vaccines.
There was Pfizer, there was Moderna, there was JJ.
I had a girlfriend that got the JJ vaccine and she was like in bed.
tim tompkins
I heard the JJ one was bad.
unidentified
Horrible.
rex jones
Yeah.
I saw what happened firsthand.
I also saw a Delta variant, what happens when someone actually gets COVID, like my grandpa.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right.
rex jones
For example.
So, like, I'm not discounting anybody's struggle, but they wanted to put people on ventilators and kill them because the hospitals got paid 33 grand.
If that's not true, sue me.
Not Tim, me.
But, like, seriously.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm good.
Yeah.
rex jones
Seriously, they paid the hospitals to kill people.
That was the government policy.
And like my granddad, had he gone to the hospital and the condition that he was in, he probably wouldn't have made it out.
They probably would have put him on a ventilator.
But we gave him the therapies.
We gave him the nebulizer, the anti inflammatory stuff for the lungs.
We had a doctor there and everything, give you the fluids.
And not everybody has access to that treatment, which is why it is unfair.
Why I always say healthcare should be universal in this country.
tim tompkins
And not just that, people who went to the hospitals had higher rates of catching it because it was literally an incubator for it.
It was crazy.
rex jones
And they say, oh, well, The beginning, especially like you have heart attack risk, you have stroke risk, you need surgery on your foot, whatever.
We can't do that.
The hospital is full.
They had like fake lines at the hospital.
unidentified
Really?
rex jones
Yeah, 100%.
tim tompkins
That's crazy.
rex jones
I mean, think about it.
I think a totality they claim is like between 1.5 and 3 million Americans died of COVID.
And all that it took to die of COVID was, oh, got a motorcycle crash.
Well, you tested positive, got COVID.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
So, my standpoint on that is I don't know if I trust the official number just naturally.
It's just me being analytical about it and objective.
Because some of the reportings were lumped in with other causes of death, right?
rex jones
I listened to, I can't say read, I listened to the real Anthony Fauci, RFK Jr.'s book.
It's like 36 hours long.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
I was active, like paying attention to the news during that time.
Like, I can't quote from memory the statistics, but this is like the most lied about, psyop, like murder operation in human history.
unidentified
Damn.
rex jones
And like the thing to keep in mind Fauci himself at the beginning of it said that mass didn't work.
There's a video of him going, and the reason why you don't want to wear a mask is you get schmutz on your face, and then you touch it, and it's a no brainer.
unidentified
It's true.
rex jones
It's you touch, you're wearing the mask, you're touching your face.
unidentified
Yes.
rex jones
And the particulates are small enough to get in there anyway, unless you're wearing an N95 and your cloth Hello Kitty mask is not an N95.
tim tompkins
And we also saw a test case like Switzerland.
They were open the entire time.
The whole country was open.
rex jones
It was Switzerland and Sweden, and one was open and one was not.
The Problem with Cloth Masks 00:03:55
rex jones
You could see one that was open at much better metrics on all counts because it turns out when you force people to stay in their homes, they start killing themselves.
tim tompkins
There's a lot of.
rex jones
Not directly, not all the way, but people start living bad.
They live in a horrible way.
tim tompkins
It was a massive.
Time of depression for people, absolutely.
I kind of kept myself sane by like going in outdoors and discovering things I never did before.
Going in nature, I also could work remote at that time, so I kind of had like a privilege of something happening around.
But yeah, I understand it's so interesting that everybody went through their own experience, but we all went through the same experience together.
rex jones
Very, very true.
tim tompkins
So let's see where we're at here.
rex jones
Let's start off with the old gas prices, and then, Wes, I want you to show national average now exceeds 450.
So we're just keeping an eye on this because, like, this is the thing that affects everybody the most.
tim tompkins
Yeah, let's check up on those truck drivers.
rex jones
Okay, so this is what it used to be.
Isn't that nice?
You remember when Exxon had the Tiger?
I remember that.
Wasn't that fun?
Wasn't that a beverage?
unidentified
The good old days.
rex jones
Look at that.
Regular 99 cents plus $1.99, Supreme $1.19.
tim tompkins
We kind of got pretty down close to that at some point.
rex jones
Yeah, no, we were at like, regular was like $2.20 here, which, I mean, that's still double the price, but inflation.
tim tompkins
67 cents in certain places.
rex jones
That's crazy.
I can't recall that, but I'm sure it's true, especially here, like a place like here, Florida.
You get numbers like that.
But let's show what it is now.
Isn't this cute, cuddly, and fun?
unidentified
Oh, we love it.
rex jones
We love it.
tim tompkins
Hey, we got to do wellness checks.
Check up on your local neighbor who's driving a truck that gets seven miles per gallon and he's filling up like a 20 gallon bag.
rex jones
Check up on your local gas station owner who now has a gold grill and a giant diamond watch.
Ask him if he's doing all that.
tim tompkins
Put this up, Wes.
Yeah, Wes and I were laughing about this.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
Yeah.
Ain't that the truth, folks?
unidentified
Yeah, you know.
rex jones
At least I. You got to pay the Epstein price.
unidentified
Oh, man.
rex jones
It's so true, though, isn't it?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
I wonder, guys, in the chat, I'm curious for one, what state are you living in right now?
unidentified
Great question.
tim tompkins
That's the first one.
We want to know where you're tuning in.
And second one is, what are your gas prices there?
And the third is, how much does it cost for you to fill up a tank?
For your vehicle.
I'm very curious about this.
rex jones
Have you ever like driven or like lived in like California for like any period of time?
Like even a rental car?
Yeah, good.
unidentified
Hell no.
Too expensive.
rex jones
Such a character there.
But like $7 a gallon, like they were already kind of near that, right?
So what has this become $10 a gallon?
tim tompkins
I think under Biden, they were getting close to like $8 or $9.
rex jones
Like you have to be like Jake Paul to fill up your Lamborghini.
Like that's all the only cars that drive.
It's like Dubai.
It's like Lamborghini.
No one else can afford to pump the car.
unidentified
Damn.
tim tompkins
Washington, Seattle, Washington.
unidentified
All right.
tim tompkins
Let's see what we got here.
Okay.
So we've got.
rex jones
They display them.
$8 for diesel in California.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Insane.
rex jones
Insane.
tim tompkins
Damon's got $8 in cap.
That's not even sustainable.
Okay.
rex jones
And there's normal.
I don't know if it's been under or at three bucks.
tim tompkins
There's normal people that work in California that are not making crazy money.
unidentified
All right.
tim tompkins
So who else we got?
We got Oklahoma at $4.05.
rex jones
That's still insane.
That's crazy.
You got to think about the West Texas oil and all the refineries.
tim tompkins
Oh, mosh merry.
Man, this is crazy.
$6.50.
$6.50.
rex jones
Oh, no.
unidentified
No.
rex jones
That's no bueno.
tim tompkins
No bueno.
Okay, we got Naples, Florida.
rex jones
It's more expensive than Naples.
tim tompkins
$457.
I mean, Naples is a nice area.
rex jones
California, $640.
tim tompkins
You got North Florida, $456, $446.
Premium, $640 in California.
rex jones
The diesel price is what you really got to keep an eye on because that's food and goods transportation.
tim tompkins
Yep.
Global Shipping Lanes Shut Down 00:02:58
tim tompkins
That is the one.
Man, if Californians weren't already getting shafted, yeah.
Seriously, how can you guys survive in California?
A genuine question.
If somebody's in California, How are you surviving?
Because even with minimum wage being like what, like 20 something an hour?
rex jones
They have solar panels on their vehicles and they're powered by love.
They're powered by the power of love and belief and the sunshine state.
That's how they get down there.
tim tompkins
Pick up your local homeless guy and he'll.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
Yeah, like a chariot.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Oh, he'll pull your car free.
unidentified
Like a rickshaw.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
Okay.
So where else do we got here?
So we've got.
rex jones
We got the global straight infographic, which I want to show because people are like, okay, straight or whore moves.
Let's take just a quick look.
I know we covered this briefly before.
unidentified
There you go.
rex jones
Let's just take a little look at this infographic.
I got a great data center infographic later as well.
Let's go ahead and throw that up.
Will you click on it so I can read it from the bottom?
unidentified
Yep.
Excellent.
Yeah.
rex jones
So, major straits of the world and just statistics associated with them.
The Strait of Malacca, 25% of global traded goods.
Hormuz is a quarter of global oil and a third of liquid natural gas.
Singapore, 50% of global seaborne trade.
The Strait of Gibraltar in the Mediterranean.
Bosphorus, Black Sea Outlet, Magellan Atlantic, Pacific Backup.
Bering Arctic Gateway, Bass, Australian or Austria, not Austrian Passage, pressure points.
If you disrupt Malacca, Asia freezes, close Hormuz, the oil spikes.
If you block Bosphorus, the Black Sea trade halts.
And everyone wants to act like we scroll down.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
Because you got the mouse.
You scroll down.
The everyone wants to act like this whole situation is controllable.
The Bala Mendeb, which isn't on this list, which I thought was on this list, that's the one that Saudi Arabia is using to transport oil right now.
And that's what could easily be shut down by the Houthis at any time.
So, I just want to give people a little bit of context because when these global shipping lanes shut down or anything happens to them, the world stops.
And the scary thing about the world stopping is that the world doesn't stop immediately.
Because you still have the super tankers on their way, and because this system has been around for such a long time, we have, you know, like a month left or a little less than a month left.
Yeah, places finally are out.
tim tompkins
If you guys recall, I covered this on the American Journal back when we were on Infowars, and these tankers are moving at the speed of a bicycle.
unidentified
Right.
Okay.
tim tompkins
So, I think it was like 15 miles per hour.
So, it takes months.
By the time that oil leaves that area, it could take like up to four months for that to reach its destination, especially in further places like the United States.
So, one of the reasons why we hadn't had these major shocks quite yet is because of the fact that there were still ships traveling and on their way from before the strait closed.
rex jones
Sure.
And let's think about things also from this grander time scale.
A Different Level of Severity 00:14:33
rex jones
I want people to think about.
The IMEC corridor and China's Belt and Road Initiative.
And I was listening to Richard Wolf talk about this.
He's an economist, a professor on Danny Haifang.
And he was like, You think they aren't building like massive railways and things over land right now to compensate for like the control of like the shipping lanes and the walking lanes?
tim tompkins
Who, the Saudis?
rex jones
The Chinese.
tim tompkins
Oh, the Chinese?
rex jones
The Chinese.
Like the Russians, everybody.
Like everyone's going to just expand over land now.
And sure, it'll take a little bit longer.
And the BRIC system won't be implemented for like five, 10 years, but it's coming.
You know, just like the oil, you know, it's still, we have it over here, but it's not $10 a gallon yet.
That's coming, folks.
tim tompkins
The problem is the actual kickoff of the event and it gathers steam like a snowball.
rex jones
It's already happening.
tim tompkins
So it's already happening.
It's just a slow movement.
And then you finally realize that the train is out of control.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
Let's go to this Trump tweet because this is just psycho and deranged.
tim tompkins
Oh, my Lord.
rex jones
Look at it.
And this happened.
tim tompkins
Grandpa's writing encyclopedias a lot.
rex jones
I got 30 minutes before I started prepping.
Oh, I figured this out.
And I was like, good grief.
Yeah.
We got to zoom.
unidentified
I can read it.
rex jones
No, it's fine.
Just leave it as normal.
unidentified
Okay.
rex jones
Because I can.
Reset it to normal because it'll mess it up after we get off the thingy.
All right, yeah.
And I'll read a little bit of it.
I got to do it.
Wes, cut back to me for a second.
It's like Darth Vader when Palpatine puts on the mask.
Done, I'm Darth Vader now.
All I do is tweet.
All right, I'll go ahead and read it.
Let's get it up on the screen.
I love Justice Neil Gorsuch.
He's a really smart and good man, but he voted against me and our country on tariffs.
A devastating move.
How do I reconcile this?
So bad and hurtful to our country.
I have likewise always liked and respected Amy Coney Barrett, but the same thing with her.
They were avoided by me.
I chose them.
I'm in charge.
And yet have hurt our country so badly.
I do not believe they meant to do so.
But their decision on tariffs costs the United States $159 billion that we have to pay back to enemies and people, companies, and countries.
That have been ripping us off for years.
Let me tell you, ripping us off for years.
You believe it?
People are saying it.
It's all true.
Sorry.
Ripping us off for years.
I got to stop trying to be funny because it's so small.
unidentified
It is so small.
You're going to lose it.
All right.
rex jones
So he's complaining about the Supreme Court not doing what he wanted to do on the tariff issue.
Hey, Trump, if you had written it a little differently, it would have been legal.
Lutnick lied to your ass.
Like, that's literally what happened, right?
Like, he bet against the tariff futures because he knew it was written in the wrong way.
And then he profits billions of dollars off of it.
unidentified
Money, money, money, money.
rex jones
I mean, do we need to read?
It's just swing states talking about landslide victory, blah, blah, blah.
I have another way of doing tariffs, but it is far slower and more laborious.
Yeah, it's legal.
The law is very tiring.
It's very tiring to have to follow the law.
We don't like to do that here.
That's why I'm the president.
unidentified
Oh, poor you.
Oh, my God.
He had to follow the law.
rex jones
Yeah, he had to follow the law.
I didn't like that.
Dissidents, blah, blah, blah.
But our country can only handle so many decisions of that magnitude before it breaks down.
And cracks.
Well, the country is cracking already.
Sometimes decisions have to be allowed to use good, strong, common sense.
The capitalization is so weird.
Like, it really is grandpa take the iPad away type of territory.
tim tompkins
You know, he's got to type the same way he speaks, you know?
I guess that's what I'm saying.
So it's like, it's that emphasis.
rex jones
All right, here, come back to us.
tim tompkins
I bet you he's thinking in the way that he speaks, too.
rex jones
He's just like, ah, That was a tough one.
What happened?
I kind of blacked out.
Something about a golden age and the peace president or something.
Bombing Iran, Stone Age.
Glad that's over.
But that's the thing.
And now it's made you old and gray.
It's made you so tired that you.
Joe Biden.
I need the wig now.
I shouldn't have thrown it away.
unidentified
Where am I?
Done.
rex jones
You're inside a cybernetic organism.
We're going to turn you into the first.
Human cyborg with AI.
Joe Biden will be the president for a thousand years.
We're very proud of it.
Very proud of it.
How do you feel, Joe?
You're going to run the country forever.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
rex jones
I also forgot what I was talking about.
Do we have more money to take from foreign lobbies?
I think we both do.
So, yeah, we like to have fun, but the thing is, it's schizophrenic.
And I understand kind of the concept of the mean tweet as something where it's like, oh, it's the president kind of talking smack and that gets the public galvanized, whatever.
But when you end up just like posting screeds, like as we're like, the debt clock for the war is like $80 billion.
unidentified
I remember Ukraine.
rex jones
Exactly.
unidentified
It was just like it was yesterday.
rex jones
I did it again, Joe.
I did it again.
I did it better this time, let me tell you.
I did it.
I wasted more money than you could have ever wasted.
Joe Biden, crooked Joe Biden, only stole $200 billion.
I'm trying to steal $200 trillion and bankrupt the U.S.
tim tompkins
We gotta stop.
unidentified
We gotta stop.
tim tompkins
No, I love this show.
Oh, I got my memory back.
Whoa, what just happened?
rex jones
Yeah, exactly.
We gotta take the wigs off.
Because, you know, you start embodying an octogenarian, 80 year old politician.
It's a bit of a problem.
Let's just go ahead and skip the anti flock camera bill, maybe come back to that later.
tim tompkins
Do us a favor, guys.
If you are on X, please go ahead and repost the stream.
It helps tremendously.
rex jones
I got to send it to my dad.
Maybe he'll do it.
Maybe he'll do it.
tim tompkins
Is he feeling generous today?
rex jones
He's probably not on his phone, but we did talk earlier.
tim tompkins
He did.
rex jones
We did talk earlier.
I think I may end up selling that painting to him.
If anyone's watching this, interested in the painting, probably won't sell it.
Too late, guys.
unidentified
Too late.
We'll see.
rex jones
I'm going to talk to him and see how he feels about it.
But I'm going to go ahead and I love my dad very much.
He's a great guy.
Really is a great guy.
Yes, he is.
And here we go.
And I sent it to him.
Yeah, let's go ahead and get into it.
Trump rejects Iran.
President Trump politely tells the regime to screw off.
Isn't that an oxymoron?
After they responded, refusing to rip apart nuclear facilities.
tim tompkins
So let's go ahead and play that clip.
rex jones
Yeah, I'll play the clip.
donald j trump
Other presidents should have done this.
47 years they've been toying with these stupid people.
In many cases, stupid people.
This should have been done by Obama.
He went the other way.
He was giving them cash.
He sent plane loads of Boeing 757, took the seats out, and put green, green cash, $1.7 billion in the plane.
Every bank in Virginia, D.C., and Maryland was stripped of their cash.
They took out all the cash from the banks.
They put it into a plane, a Boeing 757, packed with cash, and they flew it to Iran, and they let these guys just, I don't know what the hell they did with it.
But they took it and then gave them billions and billions of dollars and bribed them basically to be friends.
And after giving them tens of billions of dollars, they screwed Obama.
Okay?
That's not the way we play.
No, we do it the old fashioned way.
And they should wave.
rex jones
So, like, the most recent response here is what's up at top.
Like, I think that clip is a few days old.
We go ahead and throw it up again, paused.
I'm just going to read the tweet really quick.
For people, because this is new, this is breaking news, people do need to know it.
I have just read the response from Iran's so called representatives.
I don't like it, totally unacceptable.
Thank you for your attention to this matter, President Blump.
tim tompkins
I mean, I'll be honest like, anytime I have seen Iran's deal, I wouldn't take it.
I'm gonna be honest, like, why?
It's giving them exactly what they want and more, and because they know they kind of have some leverage, but some of the they have tons more leverage, right?
Well, and that's.
And that's the thing, though.
Like, the United States isn't just going to, like, take it up the ass.
rex jones
Like, I'm not, but it's a thing as to where, like, we're kind of taking it up the ass in our own way.
unidentified
It is true.
tim tompkins
I'm not saying this is an ideal situation, but like, for us to remove all of our military bases and all presence in the Middle East, they're not going to do that.
Too much money lost.
rex jones
Well, the thing is, is like, if it's a smoking crater, then it's removed anyway, right?
And if they're still at war, regardless of what the ceasefire is or whatever, I bet if they brought bulldozers and things in there to rebuild those things now, or if they're already doing it, those people are at risk and no one will ensure such operations.
And that's the main thing about the straight.
It's going to take six months for normal traffic to resume in the straight, which is crazy.
So, we've already doomed the economy for two years.
So, like, we sit here, we talk about these things, the collapse hasn't even started yet, and we just don't want it to get any worse.
Isn't that a situation to be in?
Isn't that interesting?
tim tompkins
What a time to be alive, you know?
And we really survived the pandemic, guys, then you got inflation.
You survived inflation, then you got another war.
What a time to be alive.
rex jones
That's a good point.
It's not just one.
Two for one bargain deal.
You know, they called me the peace president.
They call me peace president because I say, peace out, you're going to die.
unidentified
Well, you see, Donald, that money was for strippers.
rex jones
Oh, we like those.
The ones you like are adults.
That's a bit of a problem for me.
tim tompkins
So, good grief.
rex jones
I'm having presidential impressions here, ladies and gentlemen.
tim tompkins
Okay, so now let's see, where are we at?
So he rejects the deal, which is totally.
I knew he was going to do that.
Even, hold on, you know, you remember, Suleiman even said that the deal that the Americans gave was actually reasonable.
You know, they were going to let him keep some of the enriched uranium, right?
rex jones
The thing is, Iran is a signatory to the nonproliferation treaty.
And back in the 12 day war, I watched the clips myself of Steve Witkoff talking about this.
He says, look, they're willing to come down to whether it was three or three and a half percent, whatever it was.
And we think that's a reasonable basis to negotiate off of and whatever.
And then you see him come out of a room and he's white as a ghost and he goes, Oh, no enrichment, no enrichment ever.
So that's the Israeli hard line.
And I've got Netanyahu clips from 60 minutes from just now of him talking about it.
This is the thing, we'll go to it really quick.
But here's the key thing that I want people to understand I look at Trump and I'm mad at him, not because I think he's truly like the new Hitler or anything, but because he's a coward and because he won't just leave.
And you talk about the military bases, whatever.
You can't tell me that they couldn't have made a compromise by now if both sides were willing to do so.
And the U.S. is unwilling to compromise.
tim tompkins
We probably could have had a compromise had we not literally bombed everything and taken out all of their leadership.
Right.
Because there's a little bit of a bigger emotional aspect at play than all the other times we've ever gotten into a conflict.
rex jones
All he has to do is declare victory and leave, even right now.
But you know what?
Let's go ahead and watch the Netanyahu clips.
And really quick, Iran informed President Trump that.
He would make a huge mistake if he dares resume the hostilities.
We don't have to show that, but I just want to bring that up.
Let's play Netanyahu.
BB Netanyahu.
major garrett
Do you believe it's time for the state of Israel to reexamine and possibly reset its financial relationship to the United States, meaning what the United States provides to Israel on an annual basis?
unidentified
Absolutely.
benjamin netanyahu
And I've said this to President Trump, I've said it to our own people.
Their jaws dropped, but I said, Look.
major garrett
What do you mean?
What are you saying?
benjamin netanyahu
I want to draw down to zero the American financial support, the financial component of the military cooperation that we have, because we receive $3.8 billion a year.
And I think that it's time that we weaned ourselves from the remaining military support.
major garrett
Can you give me a timetable?
benjamin netanyahu
I said, let's start now and do it over the next.
rex jones
So, the CNN report, and I don't trust it at all, Larry Johnson says it's about 90%.
Based off his own calculations.
tim tompkins
What's 90%?
rex jones
But I'm not going with that figure.
I'm going with the CNN figure.
We've used over 55% of all our missile defense.
So, how is that not, oh, we can do it all by ourselves?
And it's like, well, we've expensed billions in munitions to defend you.
So, how is that legitimate?
Do you see what I'm saying there?
tim tompkins
Yeah, I wonder the amount of time it takes to replace because they started making, they started changing like auto plants into missile and weapons manufacturing in Europe.
unidentified
That's nice.
tim tompkins
That's what I'm seeing.
rex jones
Yeah, you know, that's an interesting point you bring up as a corollary because, like, that's mostly directed towards Russia, I believe, but they also do it giving aid towards the Israelis.
But the Russians have said, like, TikTok time, like, we're going to hit those places soon.
tim tompkins
And that's why they're going to hit places inside of Europe.
rex jones
They threatened Germany.
They've threatened the UK.
They said, you make the storm shadow, you make these missiles.
Like, we're going to hit you eventually.
You can't do this.
And if you think about it, like, they've targeted Putin's house, they targeted the nuclear triad, all of it.
This is the thing about the weak people or weak men that create hard times.
You sit here and, like, Tim, if you were in government, if I was in government, I would be like, Whoa, let's not have a massive conflict that causes global famine and kills everybody.
Let's figure out a way to chill it out.
But it's like a fake tough guy thing they have over there.
Like, Ursula von der Leyen, the unelected head of the EU, she mandated that all tanks made in Germany be made to fit pregnant women.
Now, why are we sending pregnant women to war?
That sounds like things got really bad.
Like, we're fighting aliens or demons or shit.
Threats to Europe and Germany 00:02:46
tim tompkins
Are we not saying that that's not credible?
You double checked that?
rex jones
100% fact.
tim tompkins
Holy crap.
rex jones
100% fact.
tim tompkins
Oh, man.
rex jones
So, like, that's the lunatics are running the asylum.
And, like, that's why, and that's why, like, we look at our situation, like, Trump's a bit of a moron duty head, but, like, people in Europe, it's scary.
unidentified
All right.
rex jones
And even they recognize this war is a problem.
So, what does that tell you?
If the people that want to put pregnant women in tanks and go kill the Russians are like, whoa, like, stop the war in Iran.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
What, like, that, this is a different level of severity.
tim tompkins
This is a different level of severity.
rex jones
What do you think?
tim tompkins
You know, We have this guy coming in doing this whole documentary interview on us.
rex jones
Oh, let's talk about that.
It's so fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
So we've got, we were contacted a couple of weeks ago by a reporter who is part of like the fifth most, it's got the fifth most like traffic of web traffic in Denmark.
And they're this news channel called DK or something like that.
So they're pretty big, they get a lot of views.
And he, I guess, came across Gray Area.
Thank you to all of you guys because the algorithm gives.
The algorithm gives.
unidentified
That's what he said.
tim tompkins
That is what he said.
unidentified
The algorithm.
tim tompkins
He liked what we had to say.
And what he said is that he's seeing a lot of the same issues that are happening in Europe happening in the United States.
He's kind of like, they're kind of like a CNN over there and they've got people based in the U.S. that come over here and do reporting on the U.S.
And it's the first time I think they're doing something of this scale where they're going to try to make a whole documentary on this new independent movement that's going on.
unidentified
And the guy has a very serious.
Voice.
rex jones
I can't do the German accent very well, or whatever it is, like the Scandinavian.
tim tompkins
He's a nice guy.
rex jones
Great guy, phenomenal guy, but he sounds like.
And I wish I could point to the actual guy, but in the Barack Obama episode of the Boondocks, like Huey Freeman's getting an interview from like an interview, and he sounds exactly like that guy.
Oh, that's how you do it.
You sound exactly like that guy.
We like it.
We're very excited to expand because we want to be global, right?
Talk about that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
And more so, it was like he's seeing the movement.
And that was the kicker.
It was like, this isn't just like some regular Joe Schmo time period we're in.
Guys, we're in a real.
Changing of the market.
rex jones
It's a fourth turning.
Everything's happening right now.
tim tompkins
So, and so I guess what he's trying to do is we represent the younger generation who was tired of the current establishment as well as the rest of the world.
rex jones
I was going to say post Trump, like what's going on with the independence.
He said libertarian.
He just kind of used that language.
tim tompkins
Yeah, he said libertarian.
rex jones
It's a good catch all term, but like what we really are is like we're post duopoly.
Post-Dupoly America First 00:09:53
rex jones
We're like actually America first, not America first, meaning like.
Hey, you're a Groeper, huh?
No, well, I am a Groeper.
And I went to the same school as Nick Fuentes.
I just went to the office and he went online.
Well, the InfoWars office.
That's how he learned how to do a show.
That's how I learned how to do a show.
So I always call myself a Groeper.
I always respect him because he is more talented than I am.
But at the same time, am I necessarily America first in the context of like Hile Fuentes?
Absolutely not.
I'm America first in the sense of the Constitution, in the sense of God, in the sense of being anti murder, in the sense of prioritizing our own people over here.
That's what America First meant to me.
And we already got into the event, so we won't do a whole recap, but it got a little, you know, it wasn't what we thought it was going to be.
tim tompkins
Dude, Groypers, y'all are some ruthless guys.
unidentified
It's true.
tim tompkins
I've seen videos of like people putting frogs with ball sacks on Casey Putsch's head.
Dude, it's crazy.
And I like Casey.
It's like, you know, they're going for the throat because of that whole event.
rex jones
But, anyways, let's go ahead and roll the next Netanyahu clip, which is about the uranium.
And this is what I was referencing.
And this is what I want people to understand.
Is when another country, and we can talk about influence markets and peddling, we talk about lobbies, they take us to war.
That's why it's a huge problem.
That's why when someone goes, hey, I'm a Zionist, you go, okay, so you believe that we have the right or you have the right to make us go to war for you.
Because that's what happened.
And Rubio said that on tape.
There's no arguing with it.
They were going to strike, so we had to strike, so it wasn't as bad.
Let's go ahead and play the clip.
major garrett
Is the war with Iran over?
And if it isn't, who will decide when it is?
benjamin netanyahu
I think it accomplished a great deal, but it's not over because there's still nuclear material.
Enriched uranium that has to be taken out of Iran.
There are still enrichment sites that have to be dismantled.
There are still proxies that Iran supports.
There are ballistic missiles that they still want to produce.
Now, we've degraded a lot of it, but all of that is still there, and there's work to be done.
major garrett
How do you envision the highly enriched uranium will be removed from Iran?
benjamin netanyahu
You go in and you take it out.
unidentified
Wow.
Okay.
rex jones
Well, someone's opinionated.
You and what army?
unidentified
Ours?
Us?
rex jones
We're going to get drafted?
I'm going to Mexico, the Latinas.
unidentified
Buckle up, boys.
tim tompkins
We're going to war.
rex jones
Dude.
tim tompkins
Boots on the ground, soldier.
rex jones
He says it with such glee.
tim tompkins
He is smiling while he says it.
rex jones
Can we go back and play it?
Can we go like just five seconds back and play it?
Yeah, who is you?
Excellent point, Jimmy Johns.
Who is you?
Like they always say, who is they?
unidentified
Okay, who is you?
rex jones
When we're being referred to, like what is going on?
All right, we'll play it.
benjamin netanyahu
You go in and you take it out.
major garrett
With what?
Special forces from Israel, special forces.
tim tompkins
We even get to that.
rex jones
We got to just still frame on his face.
He's chuckling about it.
tim tompkins
Go back a little bit more.
rex jones
Yeah, he's evangelizing about the war.
tim tompkins
He is smiling.
rex jones
Dude, go back a little bit more, even more.
Just a little bit back.
He's full on.
Oh, well, that's something else.
tim tompkins
Would you let him babysit your own?
rex jones
No, absolutely not.
We got to find a nastier still frame.
There's got to be one.
tim tompkins
Yeah, he, you know what?
rex jones
Yeah, look at that.
That's like the gecko face.
It's like lizard man, reptilian.
tim tompkins
You know what?
I actually just understood the gravity of this smile.
Okay.
No, because, like, look, let's put two and two together.
You want to go grab uranium.
What does that require?
Boots on the ground.
rex jones
Absolutely.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
Boots on the ground.
How many think die?
Several, right?
rex jones
Yeah.
tim tompkins
To smile in the presence of a situation like this, Means that you do not understand the severity of the decision.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
And the thing about that is, it's not like he's like, well, this is a grave matter and we must.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
He's not like resolved.
He's like, that's like when you're rizzing up the hose.
Like that's like, when you're telling her a story about how cool you are, that's the face you make.
tim tompkins
And I said, I like me some big booty Latinas.
rex jones
And let me tell you, you know, the American army, they have very attractive female soldiers.
Some of them die and they end up in our morgues.
You know, I do things to the body.
Like, that's who he is.
That's who Netanyahu is.
And he's licking his hands, it's like the guy with buying the tree with the hands.
tim tompkins
Well, and so here's where I distinguish myself.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
I can call out Bibi specifically because that is not a look of a man who's actually feeling bad about the fact that people are dying.
rex jones
He's happy about it.
tim tompkins
Right.
Now, I've said this before.
He is not representative of everybody, which is why I won't just lump in every single Jew because not even every single Jew likes.
That man, they actually want him out, but he's refusing to get out at the same time by continuing as long as there's conflict, Rex.
He gets to stay in power.
rex jones
Well, and that's that's the thing, and it's reflective on our society that we have a large population of evangelical Christians here in America that support this guy and think that this guy is like some sort of like they think that he's like some sort of messiah, and you know, that's Netanyahu's view of himself.
Netanyahu, of course, is a war veteran, he's seen the horrors of war, and he liked it, you know, like.
Like the Katy Perry song, I Kissed a Girl and I Liked It.
Netanyahu Kissed a War and He Liked It.
That's pretty much how their relationship formed.
And it became this thing of like, oh, survival, survival, survival.
And then it becomes killing all of them everywhere.
tim tompkins
Right.
rex jones
And you can see how that happens.
Let's play the rest of the clip.
major garrett
With what?
Special forces from Israel, special forces from the United States.
benjamin netanyahu
Well, I'm not going to talk about military means, but what President Trump has said to me, I want to go in there.
rex jones
I'm not going to talk about it.
I want boots on the ground.
I'm not going to.
unidentified
Who does it?
rex jones
I don't know.
The Chinese?
tim tompkins
Yeah, it's like, who are you going to send in?
Very good question by the reporter.
And of course, he starts doing like freaking ninja matrix moves around the question.
Come on, brother.
rex jones
Well, I mean, he knows what he's advocating for.
And you can see he's not happy anymore because he's got to cover it up.
When he's telling the truth earlier, he lights up like a Christmas tree.
Play the rest of it.
tim tompkins
Yeah, that is a good distinction.
benjamin netanyahu
Well, I'm not going to talk about military means, but what President Trump has said to me, I want to go in there.
And I think it can be done physically.
That's not the problem.
If you have an agreement and you go in and you take it out, why not?
That's the best way.
rex jones
An agreement between who?
Between us and you?
I never signed up or voted for you.
tim tompkins
He did a very good, like, backdoor answer.
He kind of had to cover up for the beginning of that.
Yeah.
He had to cover up the beginning.
He's like, Yeah, you know, we want to go in there, but, you know, we can go in there with a deal.
rex jones
Well, no, he's, well, agreement.
I take that, like, you took it as deal.
And I understand why you take it as deal because, like, that's like agreement, deal.
Like, that would make sense.
I take agreement as, like, military strike agreement.
Like, we agree to strike them now.
Like, That's the agreement.
And that agreement is not between Netanyahu and the American people.
The American people voted against war overwhelmingly.
That agreement is between him and Trump, the guy who promised to not do war.
And that's why you should be angry.
tim tompkins
And what you should understand is up till now, we have said every single time we have bombed the living daylight out of them, including the Vulcan busters, that they had their entire program destroyed.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
This is not a reflection of you still wouldn't be chasing somebody this hard had you destroyed everything, which makes you understand maybe we don't have as much control over the situation.
And getting access to the things that we don't want them to have.
rex jones
I had this explained to me by a military guy, and he's like, Look, it's eight times harder to attack a place than it is to defend it.
And that's just the math.
It's just like you have a layered defense.
It's how it works.
In Iran, they have a layered defense.
They have the boats, they have the missiles, they have the drones.
tim tompkins
They figured out how to put stuff in the ground.
rex jones
The thing is, no matter how many of them die, there are always going to be more that are willing to die.
And that's the thing about us.
And I heard Andrei Martyanov talk about this, former Russian naval officer.
Officer, I believe.
I could be wrong about his credentials, but he's a serious military guy.
And he was like, Yeah, like the United States is extremely sensitive to casualties.
Extremely sensitive.
Like anything happens, like we lost 13 American soldiers, right?
Or 14, excuse me, so far in this conflict.
The Russians, Ukrainians have lost millions, you know?
And like that's just something they deal with.
But for us, you know, that's like people get outraged about that over here because we don't have a history of like, oh, in America, you know, there's this year in 1820 when like 40 million.
tim tompkins
No, the most we've ever lost is during the Civil War.
During the Civil War, I think it was like 700, but it was the fact that we did it to ourselves in a civil war sense.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
It's domestic conflict.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
So, like, that's an interesting point to make.
But America, we don't have this history of casualty.
And, like, that's why when the Israelis, that's a highly militant society where they live around a bunch of people that hate them, that's why they're like, you must help us out with all our wars.
We're over here.
Americans are really pacifists.
And I do believe this.
Like, Americans, the vast majority of them, they don't want to kill people in another country.
unidentified
True.
rex jones
Maybe 30, 40% of them do.
But I think, 60 to 70%.
tim tompkins
No, I would even put that number lower.
It really is that like extreme version of the population that just, they do like it.
rex jones
But out of that extreme portion of the population, that minority is a lot more likely to interact with politics.
Data Center Power Demand Explodes 00:15:39
tim tompkins
Yeah, they're loud.
rex jones
So they have an outsized influence on both the left and the right when it comes to the wars.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
Because here's the thing if you're peace loving, kind of pacifist, you're not doing what it takes to climb that high.
You kind of just want to live a normal life for the most part.
rex jones
Well, I mean, look at.
Look at Epstein's lawyer, now a Republican, as an example for what's going on.
If you ever wanted a more perfect example for how it's all the same thing and it's just a different flavor of poo that they sell you every time you go to the market of politics, just look at Alan Dershowitz.
Epstein's lawyer literally telling you now, I'm a Republican and we must attack Iran, which is just crazy.
It's crazy work.
And he's on record getting a massage, a special kind of massage, but he kept his underwear on.
So he's okay.
tim tompkins
He's okay, right?
rex jones
There's a thin layer of cotton.
tim tompkins
What a guy.
What a respectful man.
rex jones
Absolutely.
Let's go ahead and I want to show this graphic about the data center.
I want to get into this.
This is some pretty scary stuff, guys.
This is.
tim tompkins
We love it.
rex jones
Not awesome.
Come on, right click.
Just let me go ahead and click on the link.
So, check this out, guys.
This is the Stratos Hyperscale Data Center.
Can we zoom in?
tim tompkins
Do you right click and open image and new tab?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
rex jones
You know, one second.
And, Wes, maybe you can zoom in a little bit on your.
tim tompkins
And then you can zoom in now.
rex jones
What's the control to do that again?
Go ahead and do it.
unidentified
Changed.
rex jones
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
rex jones
What is it again?
Is it control and then minus and then you scroll with a scroll?
unidentified
All right.
rex jones
So we got two and a half times the size of Manhattan, the Stratos Hyperscale Data Center, 4,000 acres, nine gigawatts, Hansel Valley, Utah.
And they're building this right next to Great Salt Lake.
tim tompkins
That's crazy.
rex jones
That's more than two times the entire state's electrical demand.
16.6 billion gallons a year, estimated water for gas turbines alone, 23 atomic bombs daily heat output.
Dude, they're summoning Satan.
Like, you don't like this.
This is crazy.
All right.
55 to 75% increase in Utah's CO2 emissions.
So every time they told you to use a paper straw, every time they told you not to drive as much, every time they told you that you were bad because you ate a steak, what the fuck?
Because let's say all that makes the climate go up like 10%.
This is insane, guys.
This is wild.
Look at this thermal pollution and heat island.
It's going to make the temperature rise by up to five degrees Fahrenheit, nighttime temperature rise plus eight to 12.
unidentified
What?
What?
rex jones
I'm like little John.
unidentified
Yeah.
What?
rex jones
What's going on, dude?
How is this legal?
What do you think?
tim tompkins
What do I think?
rex jones
As an engineer.
tim tompkins
As an engineer.
So the first part is where do I start?
Okay.
So the fact of the energy, that scares me.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
The electricity demand is already an issue as it is.
We're not building any new infrastructure to really solve that.
We haven't reached a point where we've like figured the equation out to how to actually.
Well, sure.
rex jones
Build a nuclear power plant next to the.
tim tompkins
Well, the problem with nuclear power plants is it's a ton of money.
It takes a long time to build them.
And then your ROI, it takes a while to recuperate that money.
But the biggest problem is, is like people have history of Chernobyl and they remember like Three Mile Island.
rex jones
That's a dirty word to a lot of people.
tim tompkins
So people are like, not in my backyard.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
But when I see this, it was crazy because as I saw Kevin O'Leary talking about this, he made it seem like, hey, I'm just buying a plot of land and I'm just.
Buying the shovel, you know, that people are building the thing on top of, and it's a great thing.
rex jones
Me and Tim, we try to check each other when we get too racist, all right?
unidentified
And being racist.
rex jones
And being really racist because Kevin O'Leary has an environmental studies degree.
So that means he knows how to save the environment, even though he's going to make something that uses two and a half times the entire power of the state.
Don't be racist and criticize.
tim tompkins
Well, the CO2 alone, right?
Like that, that's the thing that makes me scratch my head.
And remember, I asked you this last time.
I'm like, I asked somebody, I said, what happened to global warming?
Because that was something that was like spoken upon.
We were trying to come out with all these different things.
We're trying to do, you know, electric cars by 2030, and you must drink the plastic, the paper straw.
And the biggest one, I don't know, you haven't lived in the East Coast.
They took all the plastic bags out of every single store.
There were time periods where they didn't even have paper bags.
So you're sitting there with all your stuff in your arms like this, trying to carry all of that.
And you're just like, what am I?
Paying for.
rex jones
Not to get too off topic, but remember when they didn't have self checkout?
Remember when there wasn't a thank you, thank you.
Remember, it was a human being and it was someone that got a job, got a salary to scan your stuff.
And for efficiency's sake, for profit's sake, we sacrificed all that and we willingly let that go.
So now when you go to the grocery store, that's just what you put up with.
And it's going to be the same thing for the data center.
tim tompkins
And the problem is, is like when the data center pops up, right?
You don't realize that it's actually being built most of the time unless you're really paying attention.
There's not like a sign like, hey, this thing is being built in your backyard.
It kind of just appears there.
And that's also like the information.
They try to keep these things as silent as possible so that you don't make a big deal out of it when it comes down to you needing to vote at this at town hall.
rex jones
And they're also like, oh, well, it's going to create X number of jobs.
And all the jobs, most of the jobs are temporary, right?
unidentified
Yes.
rex jones
Building, construction, shaving jobs.
tim tompkins
To actually run a data center, and this is one of the bigger ones, but like even some of the medium to big, it can take around like 50 people to maintain, you know, some of these larger ones, maybe 50 to 100.
20,000 people be right out of a job and go to the next site, and you got to move to build the next data center.
rex jones
Yeah, they're going to have Terminators with guns outside these things.
Literally, they'll just be like, I thought it was cute and quirky.
I'm Sam Altman.
I made a Terminator that kills people.
Like that, that'll be, they'll roll that out and they'll be like, well, you know, sports is on the team.
tim tompkins
So it says energy footprint 40,000 Walmart super centers.
rex jones
That's nice.
tim tompkins
What else we got?
rex jones
Air quality 40,000.
tim tompkins
40,000.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
So everybody eat a steak, drive as much as you want, smoke.
Like just an entire cart and a cigarette.
tim tompkins
Leave the car idle on.
Don't shut off your cars, guys.
rex jones
Yes, just refuel it while it's on.
Don't do that.
Don't do that.
That's a joke.
That's not advised.
Don't listen to me.
But yeah, so they're doing this thing.
They're abusing the people.
And then you just get told, suck up.
You got to pay.
tim tompkins
Okay, so we've got other ones here.
So we've got air quality and emissions.
That's bad.
rex jones
So 1,857 to 12,000 tons of nitrous, what's that?
You know?
tim tompkins
Nitrous oxide.
rex jones
Nitric oxide, that's what I thought.
Per year, depending on generator type, 30.2 to 41 million tons CO2, carbon dioxide per year, five times all Box Elder County's industrial nitric oxide 2020 baseline.
So, like, the air quality literally gets five times worse.
tim tompkins
And not to mention, you're talking about the wildlife ecosystem impact.
That was the first thing that went through my head what are you doing to the entire environment that lives around there?
Because these ecosystems are pretty delicate.
rex jones
Believe it or not, what kind of computing power does a deer have?
How many quirky Pixar things can you generate with a deer's brain?
Not many.
With our data center, we can generate all we want.
tim tompkins
Noise pollution, that is a big one.
We played videos on that at some point.
It makes this logic whoa, whoa, whoa.
And you can hear it from a very far distance.
So, what else?
rex jones
I have a video of that too.
Let me just really quick land use, of course, they're stealing the land materials.
It's going to be super expensive.
A lot of these things make other prices go up for people trying to build other things.
Governance and transparency.
Oh, it's approved in five months versus the industry standard five years.
No corruption at all.
Certainly not.
That never happens with regulatory bodies.
Fast track via military authority loophole.
So the military says we have to build it.
And keep in mind, all of the top AI executives, or they have a top AI executive of each one of these companies that's a military officer.
tim tompkins
You know what?
This makes sense because what you do is you make the claim this is for national security purposes.
And you say, well, China is out competing us in this area.
We need this in order to stay ahead.
Otherwise, we are going to fall behind and we are going to let our enemies win.
Easy justification.
Somebody goes in, fills a piece of paper out.
rex jones
Nobody owns it.
That's another thing.
Nobody on record owns it.
There's no environmental impact study.
Mr. Kevin O'Leary talking about, oh, I do love the environment.
Well, where's the proof of that?
tim tompkins
Well, he's saying he's buying the land, but I guarantee you he's also investing in the planet itself.
rex jones
It's a nest of vipers.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
Whatever.
tim tompkins
He's investing in the planet.
rex jones
It's a shark tank.
A shark tank owns it, probably.
And look at the power scale.
Look at that.
From 920, which is what's currently, you know, that seems reasonable.
Yeah.
And even phase one, 3,000.
What is that?
You know, just like a little over three times boost.
9,000 megawatts.
unidentified
It's insane.
rex jones
I mean, just the people like, you will starve and you will not have AC and you will not have water, and the data center will generate endless videos of Epstein as Iron Man.
tim tompkins
I wonder, you know, if they don't update the infrastructure to actually handle these things, are we just going to have tons of rolling blackouts like we already do in Austin?
rex jones
Yeah, and that's what's going to cause, you know, the revolt against those things.
They better have their robots built quick enough.
Here's the thing I watched back Mike Adams break this down.
I don't know what your opinion is on this.
unidentified
About what?
rex jones
About the data centers.
unidentified
But.
rex jones
I think there's no reason you would need that much computational power to build a large language model or do any of these things.
Even AGI, what I think that they're trying to do, and I saw Mike Adams break this down.
He's a very smart guy, and I sent you that clip to watch as well.
I highly recommend that you do.
We're basically building things that are big enough to run simulated worlds or universes, and then to create intelligences that have to figure out problems in that data set in that space.
And then from that lower dimension, we bring them up and they live in the data center.
That's basically how I heard it explained.
tim tompkins
I'm sure that's probably one angle.
The other part is, they are predicting future demand, is also another thing.
unidentified
Well, sure.
rex jones
So if you're not running simulations of the present.
tim tompkins
Well, when I say future demand, I mean future demand for the product itself of AI.
rex jones
Yeah, but it's a little too big.
I don't know.
62 miles, like the dot com bubble, the housing crisis, these are big bubbles.
But is it, were people building houses like this in the housing crisis?
No, so much money.
tim tompkins
So here's one angle.
Okay.
So for one angle, You're underestimating how much people are actually using AI every single day.
You're talking about billions of queries every single day.
It takes a ton of computing time.
Now, I'm not sitting here saying that this is justifying just going about it how we're going about it, but there is sort of a supply and demand issue here in order to keep up with.
rex jones
I think they're building too many masses.
tim tompkins
And what they're trying to do is they're trying to make it as advanced as possible.
And in order to make something more advanced or smarter, you need more computing power and you need more ability.
Now, that's not me saying, like, this is just me giving you the explanation of why you would need to get it bigger and bigger and bigger.
rex jones
I understand what you're saying, but the way they talk about using intelligence as a meter on a meter, they're going to outsource it as a utility and they're going to have infinite access to this, infinite free access to this, and everyone else is going to have to pay for like one millionth of what they're actually able to do.
Like, that's not even the biggest data center.
I think it's in like the top five, or it's not even in the top three.
Like, I got Project Matador exposed.
Let's play that video and then we'll play the evil data center makes noises, which is what you're talking about.
And then we'll do the deep dive.
unidentified
Okay.
rex jones
If you want, we got a little bit of politics to talk about too.
unidentified
Yes, everything really is bigger in Texas.
This is Project Matador.
This will be the largest data center in the entire world.
To understand the actual size of this, it's 18 million square feet.
Okay.
You could fit 15 Disneylands inside of this place.
Okay.
15.
It would encompass the whole island of Key West.
Wait till you hear how much power is used.
17 gigawatts.
Okay.
To put that into perspective, it is literally enough power for three Ireland's.
It would power the whole state of Colorado and requires more power than the whole country of New Zealand two and a half times.
It would take literally 15 nuclear reactors just to produce enough power for this thing to run.
Don't worry, guys.
It only uses nearly 1 billion gallons of water a year just to operate, even though they have a cooling system.
Not only that, it'll literally produce nearly 23.5 million pounds of greenhouse gas emissions, which accounts for almost 15% of the whole state of Texas.
How loud this thing is going to be, right?
It's 90 to 120 decibels.
That's the equivalent of being next to someone with power tools.
Now, imagine trying to sleep next to this.
We all need to speak out against these data centers.
They're coming to a town near you.
Just watch.
rex jones
We're going to have nothing to do with it.
This is more than double the power, almost double the power that the other one uses.
And that's the one they're building here in Texas.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
I'm also here.
There is a white pill to this, by the way, guys.
rex jones
I don't know.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim tompkins
There is.
a white pill to this.
And it's not about the technology.
There's a white pill in the sense that.
People have been waking up and have been pushing back against this whole increase of data centers, especially in their backyard.
And so a lot of these projects are starting to get canceled as well.
One, because either the infrastructure is there, also remember, this is a supply and demand thing.
So they're building for future demand, but the AI market is in a bit of a bubble situation, too, to where a lot of the companies that have been here or going to be are not actually profitable.
They're not.
It's heavily, it doesn't make sense.
rex jones
It's protected by the military specifically and a lot of U.S. government funding because, as you said earlier, you know, you get approval in five months if it's a matter of national security.
tim tompkins
Yeah, but I'm saying, like, even to run these things, sure, it is not profitable for the company up to a certain extent.
So people are realizing that you're going to hemorrhage, you're hemorrhaging money.
Like, OpenAI is not profitable by any means.
They're hemorrhaging, they're no, they're hemorrhaging.
They were a nonprofit, not yeah, because they thought they were going to open source.
And then they didn't make it open source, hence the name OpenAI.
You know, go ahead.
You know how they did that.
But all I'm saying is, OpenAI is hemorrhaging billions of dollars, and they have no solution because the problem is that even your subscription that you were paying for is not enough to actually keep up with everything that they're building, plus the amount of computing power and all the other things that it takes to actually run it.
So, what you're going to see is the data centers is kind of one of those things that's like exploding very rapidly.
But you're going to see a lot of these projects also fall through at the same time.
AI Cannot Replace Human Jobs Yet 00:02:31
tim tompkins
So I don't want everybody panicking too hard.
It is something that needs to be addressed and noticed, but it is not like you can just prop up thousands of data centers and there's no regulation or things that push back.
Like there's no way that you can produce enough power, 15 nuclear plants to run that place.
rex jones
No, absolutely.
tim tompkins
So they do a lot of like, ooh, we're doing the shock and all to get investors in, but the actual practicality of building that thing.
rex jones
I hear that, but I think that they're like, I think some drastic.
Steps are going to be taken.
I think they're really getting people ready, you know, to live with the rolling blackout, to live under the suffrage of it.
Cause, hey, we got to win the war.
Haven't you been hearing that about your gas prices?
So I just, I get real sussed out.
I get real sussed out by anything where they tell you, hey, you know, it might suck for a while, but it's going to be so amazing.
Here's the thing five years ago, I was living just fine.
I went over to a place in Tarrytown and someone showed me ChatGPT and like whatever the image generator one at first was popular.
And I was like, man, This is really cool.
It works like Google always.
Like, I thought Google should work as a kid, but do I really need this?
You know, I think that's a question that a lot of people are going to be asking themselves.
Now, the government, they will say, of course we need it for military.
Like, we have to have the best, or China will have the best, and that's dangerous.
But to the person listening to this right now, you know you were fine.
You know, there's going to be an entire generation coming up very soon that doesn't know that.
Think about that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
But also, the engineering.
rex jones
You love the technology.
The engineering is coming out of me.
The worship of the computer.
It is what it is.
tim tompkins
The computer.
unidentified
It is what it is.
No, no, no.
So.
No, no, no.
tim tompkins
What I was going to say is like people are afraid of the job replacement stuff.
unidentified
Yes.
tim tompkins
It's actually starting to become that it's going to actually start creating more jobs, is what it's looking like.
But the problem is, depending on the skill set that it's required, because they're starting to realize that the AI is not able to replace the job.
It has to be used as a tool because AI will never be as smart as humans anytime soon.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
So, what you're doing is, is like, you know how like we did the, the, the, There's going to be a lot of pain, though, is the problem because you have to retrain an entire population into doing other tasks that accomplish it.
And AI, when used properly, can be a massive tool for productivity.
The Real Message Behind Jets 00:02:38
tim tompkins
That's why I'm like, let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
But at the same time, we need also regulation to keep up with the technology growth.
That's the real message here that I want to explain to people.
I'll do a deep dive.
That's what I'll do.
unidentified
All right.
rex jones
This was just a bizarre comment.
I don't want context on it.
I don't want anything.
Throw a paper map in front of 50% of people and have them navigate 500 miles in their Jewish canoe?
What is that?
I don't even want to know what it means.
tim tompkins
I have no idea.
rex jones
Non sequitur.
Just thought it was funny.
Let's go ahead and go to evil data center makes noises.
Oh, the pollution.
Yeah, let's show this.
This is happy and healthy and liberal.
Liberal, liberal, liberal.
Look at this.
The same people building these things want you to pay carbon taxes.
tim tompkins
It sounds like you're on like an airplane tarmat.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
You know, these people, they've been talking about carbon taxes for decades and decades and decades.
I mean, it's just unbelievable.
You should be outraged.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
Straw for you.
Paper straw for you.
rex jones
Paper straw for you.
Private jet for me.
That's another shirt.
tim tompkins
Paper straw for you.
rex jones
Private jet for me.
Yeah.
And it's got one that's got like Larry Olsen on it.
Yeah.
Like that's a banger right there.
That's heat.
tim tompkins
Mask for you.
Dindin for me.
rex jones
Exactly.
Yeah.
Full stomach.
Exactly.
Let's show evil data center makes noises.
This is what you're talking about.
unidentified
Yep.
tim tompkins
These things, it sounds like an airplane, dude.
rex jones
And you're not.
He turned down the clip.
It's loud.
It's very loud.
No, you're all good.
I guess it was all the way up.
tim tompkins
Dude, there's some people with the data center in their backyard.
Here's the thing about the data center.
rex jones
That's your best.
tim tompkins
You're going to, if you're, it's not.
unidentified
See, now.
rex jones
It's your best buddy.
tim tompkins
I take one position to white pill you guys.
Yeah, I'm Massad.
Sorry.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Massad agent here to infiltrate and brainwash you guys into thinking that all the AI leaders.
rex jones
And I, when the studio lights, Off, I howl Hitler in here.
I give a thousand Hitler salutes every night.
Exactly, I play the Kanye, you know, dynamic.
Destroying Movements with Perception 00:15:14
unidentified
We're so messed up.
rex jones
Speaking about that, let's go to Nick Fuentes, who came out as a Democrat this week.
I wanted to get your take on this before the deep dive because it is, yeah, quite interesting.
And I, I, his position kind of makes sense, but you're going to listen to this lady talk about him and uh, she's got an opinion.
I want you to notice this you can't tell, and I didn't even look it up.
I don't know whether this is a left wing or a right wing outlet, I think it's right wing.
Notice how it's like uniparty media.
Listen to her talk about Fuentes.
unidentified
Okay.
batya ungar-sargon
Welcome back to the show.
The racist, anti Semitic, misogynistic podcaster Nick Fuentes came out as a Democrat this week, telling his audience, I'm a non woke, moderate Democrat.
I think the GOP needs to be destroyed.
He is not alone in crossing the aisle.
Marjorie Taylor Greene has a newfound love for and among Democrats since she turned on Donald Trump and started blaming Israel for genocide among all manner of Other crimes.
Tucker Carlson is now excited to meet with the Democratic Senate candidate for Maine, Graham Plattner, whose most salient feature is the Nazi tattoo he's had for 20 years and only covered up with another tattoo.
rex jones
So he actually does have a Nazi tattoo.
unidentified
Who's this guy?
rex jones
So this guy, Graham Plattner, he's a Democrat and he had like, you're probably not familiar with the various insignias and stuff, but there's a particular like skull and crossbones that is like a, I think it's like Waffen SS or whatever.
tim tompkins
Oh, the lightning bolt thing?
rex jones
No, not the lightning bolt.
It's a skull and it's got the two bones underneath.
But real close underneath the skull.
And he had it on his chest.
I saw an old video of him where he had the tattoo.
He recently did get it covered up.
That's just an interesting anecdote I wanted to give people.
What do you think of this?
And you said this is Cuomo's outfit?
tim tompkins
Yeah, Cuomo is part of News Nation.
So this is definitely a left leaning outlet.
I want to hear what else she has to say.
Oh, she's wearing that necklace proud.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
batya ungar-sargon
A few months ago, when his political opponents were about to expose it.
Anna Kasparian of the left wing Young Turks has admitted she watches the virulently anti Semitic Candace Owens and is deeply moved by Owens' content.
This meeting of the minds between prominent far right influencers and the left hinges on a singular issue, their level of comfort for blaming Jews for the world's ills.
Once it passes a certain level, a person seems to invariably find themselves on the left these days, which has become hostile to Jewish interests.
tim tompkins
Wait, the left has become hostile to Jewish interests?
rex jones
Over 70% of Jewish people vote Democrat.
So, like, here's what you see.
You see this super weird thing with this war, with this conflict, where, like I said, Epstein's lawyer is now a Republican based on the interest.
It's not Jewish people.
I'm very clear about this.
It's the Zionism.
And, like, if you're not a Zionist, then you're anti Jew.
And that's my problem I'm anti Zionist.
I'm not anti Jew.
Yeah, the key distinction.
They draw them together, and it's a strengthening thing for the politicos and for the elites to say, this is actually, you know, when you don't support Israel, you don't support Jewish people because we say this is our state.
tim tompkins
The problem is the word has become synonymous with Jewish.
rex jones
Nah, no, no, no.
tim tompkins
I'm saying, like, you hear the word, I'm telling you to the average person when they hear the word Zionism.
rex jones
That's liberal media indoctrination.
tim tompkins
That's not what I'm saying is, is they I'm telling you like the marrying of the term, so like there are people who will go out there and they'll preach against Zionism, but then somehow it gets attached to just the general population of Jewish.
rex jones
Anti Semitic say they're anti Semitic a lot of the time.
Now, I do agree, like when we're sitting together on the panel and it's different and it's someone saying something that you don't agree with and then you're together with them.
tim tompkins
I'm just saying like what I'm seeing on the internet, and it's like not even just that, but like in general.
Actually, I'll just give you a quick anecdotal story.
I was at an event.
Two days ago.
And I met, no, no, no.
I was here.
I was back.
I met this guy, super nice guy.
He's like a PhD, smart dude.
And, you know, we started talking.
Somehow we got into politics and he's Jewish.
And I kind of clocked it, but I wasn't sure.
And he was like, dude, I'm genuinely scared right now.
And he's like, you know, he has like people threatening him.
He has all these different things happening.
And, like, I know him through mutual friends as well.
Like, he has nothing to do with anything political.
And he is, like, genuinely scared of the fact that, like, what's been happening to him adjacent from all the stuff that he had nothing to do with.
And that's what I'm saying.
rex jones
People are just like, you're Jewish.
I don't like you.
tim tompkins
Yeah, that's literally happening.
And so that's why I'm saying, like, a narrative gets out of control to a certain extent.
And that was why I was trying to tell people, I'm like, look.
rex jones
Well, the thing is, here's my opinion.
tim tompkins
It was, hold on, let me finish.
It's the same thing that, like, you know, There was a situation where, like, I don't know, some black people, or maybe even some, let's give a scenario where, like, the white people did something, right?
And the guy, George Floyd's situation happened.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
Then somebody went on top of that agenda and they said, well, let's defund the police and take it to the extreme.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
And so, like, it is, gets to a point where you are taking it to the extreme.
rex jones
You're making the corollary where you're the one, you're making the Jewish people and the Israelis synonymous.
And I don't think that's a fair distinction.
tim tompkins
No, I'm not saying.
I'm not saying that they are synonymous in the sense that.
rex jones
I'm saying that's a perception.
tim tompkins
I'm saying the perception has gotten to that point.
That's what I'm trying to say.
rex jones
I think that's valid and I don't agree with that in any way, shape, or form.
However, I do view this state as a terrorist state and I view supporting it in its current incarnation as evil.
So when people go, people are attacking me because I'm Jewish, if that's happening, straight up, that's horrible.
Don't approve of that.
Totally disavow.
But when people are like, I don't know, I'm a Zionist and I support the state of Israel, people can come after you and say, well, I think you're a murderer.
And I think that's valid.
tim tompkins
Well, I'm saying it depends on, okay.
It's like I support America.
I love America.
But do I support what we do when it comes to war?
Hell no.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
But the fact that I love my country should not make me.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
But the majority of them support the war.
That's the problem, it's like 48%.
tim tompkins
I understand where you're going with that.
But at the same time, remember, we've talked about this being a negative feedback loop for a very long time.
We had the Israeli come on.
rex jones
I think two things can be true at the same time.
I agree with your opinion.
unidentified
Point.
rex jones
I think my point is valid.
And the issue, and that's called the gray area.
We talk about the extremism because you look at someone like Dan Bilzerian, for example, and we were going to have.
tim tompkins
That's an extreme case right there.
rex jones
We were going to try to have Dan Bilzerian on the show, and I see these clips now.
He's like, oh, I want to go over there.
I had a list to go over there and kill him.
You should go kill the Israeli.
I'm not saying that.
He said that.
And you're just like, well, you're subversive.
Like, you're trying to create like a criminal action in people.
You're trying to like advocate for like violence.
Okay.
I disavow that.
tim tompkins
I agree with you.
Now, remember, we talk about this term where something that seems like in general, where something at first normalizes you to a behavior.
The only reason why he's gotten to the point where he's this bold to say that is because of the increase.
rex jones
I think he's working for Netanyahu.
I think only someone that works for Netanyahu would say something like, I have no filter.
I'm saying it right now.
It's the same thing with the nuclear weapons.
We want them to have the nukes.
It's the same type of thing.
You're giving the excuse.
tim tompkins
You're saying you think Dan Bilzerian works for Netanyahu?
rex jones
Sure.
Why not?
tim tompkins
He hates Jewish people.
rex jones
Well, isn't that perfect?
Oh, we have all this Jew hatred.
We must have a state and a military.
We must kill people because we got all this hatred.
Look at this hater over here.
tim tompkins
I get what you're saying because you're like, you don't like the fact of when you try to pin everything as anti Semitic and then you get to hide behind the cloak of the veil of anti Semitism.
rex jones
It's like anti Zionism, divestment from Israel, stopping the foreign wars, stopping the killing.
That has nothing to do with going over there ourselves and killing Israelis.
And when you're running in a very prominent election against Randy Fine, In a district of boomer evangelicals, and you're going out there saying these things about wanting to go over there and kill Israelis, you're not trying to win the race.
You're trying to destroy somebody's movement.
I think he's hurt Nick Fuentes' movement.
I think that's what the intention has been.
That's why I say that.
You know what, Dan, I don't know you personally.
Talk about it, whatever, but I view these actions as quite extreme.
So that's my, and that's my, and I want total divestment.
I cannot stand it.
tim tompkins
Totally, totally agree with you.
And I'm not saying that every single person that is speaking out against everything that's happened that the Israelis did do in Palestine is wrong.
I've also called out, I've been critical of it.
My problem is that the wheels are starting to come off the train just a little bit.
rex jones
But the thing is, you use words like critical and stuff.
Fuck the genocide.
Fuck the killers.
Fuck the IDF.
That's me saying that, not you.
But see, I can't censor.
And we have differences of opinion, we have disagreements.
The thing is, they take us to fucking war, man.
They take us to fucking war.
Rubio said, Marco Rubio said, they were going to strike, so we had to strike, so American soldiers didn't get killed.
American soldiers still got killed.
Global economic shutdown, meltdown, crisis.
That's why I'm anti Zionist.
And that's why you have to make that distinction, of course, but that state is bad in its current incarnation.
It's a bad state.
tim tompkins
It's an embarrassing state.
But I'm saying don't lump the entire state for the decisions of the people who have the power to make the decision.
Because not every single person.
rex jones
I blame Americans.
tim tompkins
Also, you got to remember one other thing.
Do you know how we have a very big population of people who get lied to by the government and get propagandized?
Every single country is.
Privy.
So if you are being told on a day to day basis that these people want to kill you every single day and you create that fear, you're going to support the defense of something.
rex jones
I think the Israeli government did that to their citizens and brainwashed them to believe that all the Palestinians were Amalek and they had a biblical right to do it.
tim tompkins
And that is what I'm saying.
These things are nuanced.
There's so many layers because it's easy for us to be like from the outside being like, oh, well, every single Israeli that lives in Israel is just bad and evil about this thing and supporting the war.
But we don't know what it's like to have missiles flying over our head.
And when you create a news environment and a narrative of, okay, it's constantly like you are always on edge, you're going to want to squash whatever's around you.
Now, the problem was.
rex jones
That's bullshit.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim tompkins
The problem was, even if you talk about October 7th being a false flag, they let it happen.
rex jones
Not a false, a green flag operation.
tim tompkins
Green flag, false flag.
rex jones
It's an important distinction.
People will say, you say it's fake.
You're not saying it's fake.
unidentified
I'm not saying it's fake.
rex jones
Green flag, they let it happen.
They have a helicopter base 10 minutes from there.
tim tompkins
Okay, yeah, you're right.
Distinction 10 minutes from there.
That's what I'm saying.
When that situation happens, again, it adds more fuel to the fire.
And, like I said, we had an Israeli on here.
It's a very complicated issue to where it's not just black and white and be like, oh, well, I support it.
Because the same thing is here.
rex jones
That's your position.
tim tompkins
No, no, that is my position.
My thing is, I want to stop the killing.
I want to stop the war.
But I also want to stop the hatred of lumping entire groups into situations when these situations are complex and nuanced.
rex jones
Yeah, but when people in the group don't acknowledge that their group is being lumped together for some evil purpose, then.
tim tompkins
That's crazy.
We don't see it necessarily because of the fact that, like, even whatever is being controlled, it's controlled even online.
Like, if you don't cleanse your timeline, you're getting the same shit.
Like, at some point, I ended up in Groyper land somehow.
I don't know how, but the only thing I was seeing every single day was like this, that.
It was all Nick Fuentes.
I didn't get anything else for an entire week.
rex jones
Here's the thing my political positions don't come from Groyper land.
Come from people like Anthony Aguilar and had him on the show.
And he talked about how they walked these people basically into machine gun fire at the Chief AIDS.
tim tompkins
And I am not defending the actions of those people.
Wrong is wrong.
The people who did that are wrong.
But I go back to the same point.
I fuck.
I'm trying not to curse anymore.
You're good.
We're both working on that.
On the shows.
I get tired of even having a subscription of what I am as an American.
And how people like paint us to be like, oh, Americans are just lazy or Americans can't do this or Americans.
I go around the world and they have a perception of us.
unidentified
Sure.
tim tompkins
Strictly because the government has painted whatever picture and we go around and we bully.
Okay.
I'm tired of that.
That does come from somewhere.
rex jones
That's the problem.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
And even if you're speaking out, those people aren't hearing that message all the time.
They're just seeing the outside perception.
So, like I said, all I'm saying is, is like, let's not allow these situations to go because then you allow.
A gap to happen to where, like, someone like Dan Bozerian's running for Congress and he has a platform where there's actually hundreds of thousands of people who like him.
rex jones
Well, this is my problem.
tim tompkins
And actually support that position.
rex jones
This is my problem is that the people supporting Dan Bozerian, supporting him on the basis of wanting Randy Fine out of there because he's a genocidal pig, are not supporting Dan Bozerian because he wants to go over there and kill Israelis.
However, the two positions then get lumped together, kind of just like what you're talking about.
And that creates the issue.
And that's called a Judas goat.
And that's my perception of the events that have transpired.
tim tompkins
But I also look in the comment sections and people are like, Yeah, Dan, kill them all.
rex jones
And I'm like, what?
But it's the internet, man.
It's the internet.
Here's the thing I think that these are the important conversations that Americans need to be having.
That's why we do the show, that's why we talk to people.
That's what all of this is.
tim tompkins
But I just want to say one other thing.
Just for the mere fact of me defending a position where I don't want to lump a whole group, I also would get attacked for just having, trying to have a common sense understanding and allow there to be nuances in the situation.
rex jones
Right, well, they want you to take a position, right?
tim tompkins
They want you to divest on one side or the other, right?
I'll stand on one side of this one, and I know it's one you stand on, but like I can't subscribe to that camp, but I also can't subscribe to like the people who just want total replacement and like occupation of the West Bank.
Like the two state needs to happen, in my opinion, right?
rex jones
And that's and here's the issue we're talking about all this stuff.
That is literally the U.S. government's agreed position is that they want the two state solution.
We've wanted that for decades and decades and decades.
We said that we would establish that.
The problem is with all these governments and with all the citizens of these governments, and you talked about not blaming Israelis or Jews or whatever you're saying for the stuff the government does.
I blame Americans.
I blame myself for what we do because we tolerate and we allow these systems that murder people, that starve people, that kill people, that kill ourselves.
And this is a big problem.
tim tompkins
And I'll add one more thing.
This will be my last point.
Also, the fact that this movement has started to where, you know, at first everyone was after October 7th on one end.
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tim tompkins
And then after a while we saw what was going on.
We're like, what the hell?
It also allowed for there to be a movement on the Muslim side for people to also attach an agenda from that.
And here's the thing I have no hatred towards Muslims, but I do not like extremism.
And I don't agree with everything that's in the Quran.
I don't agree with everything that some things that are being practiced in Islam.
And sometimes even some bad actors will take these situations and they'll stir the fire even more and hold their positions.
Because there's the people who are, you can read the doctrine.
Hamas had an actual doctrine.
If you go read it, they say, we will annihilate every single person that is in this state, regardless of who they are, because that is our position.
And it's an extreme.
A position to have.
rex jones
And so, what I'm saying is, is like, and destroy the PLO deliberately to make sure they really are.
tim tompkins
And I'm telling you, they're all bad.
And that is my conclusion to that.
Just be careful, is what I'm saying.
You can go so far down the rabbit hole to where you fail to realize the distinction at certain points and the lines get blurred between topics, discussions, and definitions.
That is my position.
rex jones
That's your take.
And I think you gave like a pretty balanced.
Argument there.
I think there's a lot of people that agree with you.
I think there's a lot of people that agree with me too, and a lot of people that are on various camps of this.
Obviously, we're still in the figuring out stage and everything that's happening.
It's only after history, after the decades pass, we'll see the truth.
I think the truth is going to reflect what happened.
tim tompkins
And Anthony, I will address that too.
This has happened since 1948.
Do you know who I blame for this whole situation, Anthony?
I blame the Europeans and the colonialism.
rex jones
We can't say the Europeans, you gotta say Britain.
tim tompkins
Sorry, Britain, sorry, Britain and France and the colonialists for doing this whole situation.
What they did during that time period is they had promised land to two different people.
And when they found out that, you know, they couldn't make a deal instead of Britain seeing the thing all the way through, because what Britain did was they took the entire region from whoever had conquered it before.
I think it was the Ottoman Empire.
They took it from the Ottoman Empire after they conquered that region.
They promised the land to two different people.
And they said, oh, well, this is a state for Jewish people now because they went through the Holocaust.
Hold on.
The problem was, is they arbitrarily cut up.
rex jones
Put some words in too.
tim tompkins
No, no, I'm entitled to it.
I want to finish the whole thing in retirement, right?
I'm not interrupting you.
What I'm saying is, is they took, they drew lines and they said, hey, we're going to carve it up this way.
The Muslims said, we don't like this deal.
Jewish people, of course, were like, we like this.
Instead of fixing the problem and going all the way through, they took a step back and they just said, well, you guys just figure it out.
And when you let two people who are, uh, Who are also in their own right emotionally charged for their own particular reasons, and you let them duke it out, it's never going to be a good thing.
And so the UN plus Britain and all of them are directly responsible because they had a responsibility to make sure that this actually got sorted out.
rex jones
So, of course, they set it up, and I agree with that.
And that's a huge problem.
You have an area where people of all faiths, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, they're already living there, peacefully coexisting with each other.
British mandated Palestine, everyone's living there.
What do you think about ethnostates and what do you think about their history of terrorism since 1948?
Of course, the knockout.
And all of it, the expulsion of 750,000 people.
tim tompkins
I think it was terrible.
rex jones
I think that's like the entire history of the country.
tim tompkins
No, no, I know.
What I do criticize Israel for is like when they went ahead and said, okay, well, you know, since Britain has taken a step back and they said, oh, well, we're just going to take land and we're going to take more than what was actually in the original deal.
That was wrong.
And of course, you're going to have.
rex jones
All they've done is expand and they want to build the greater Israel.
And it's just like the thing is, we can talk about it from the perspective of like, you bring it to Muslims.
You say, like, I'm not a fan of parts of the Quran.
And I totally agree with you.
Totally agree with you when it comes to that.
I'm not a fan of places where they apply Old Testament genocide.
To uh, you know, 2026, yeah, and then so do you see what I am saying?
I see why it's a problem, why having an ethno state, whether that's Iran or Israel, is an issue because you cannot have you have to have separation of church and state if they share our values.
Why are they trying to rebuild the third temple?
Like these things, they're provocations to the rest of the Muslim world.
The Israelis don't care because they think they have the nuclear superpower behind them, they can do whatever they want.
The problem is enough like there are protests, we've played the protests of people in the street saying we don't want this, we don't want Netanyahu, we don't want genocide.
We've played the Israeli protesters.
That does exist, but there's also the polls, man, of the Amalek support and all of it.
And it's disgusting.
tim tompkins
I would say we actually, maybe I should actually pull up the research on what the polls that you're talking about.
I actually never seen the polls that you're talking about.
unidentified
There's a few polls.
rex jones
We've shown it a few times on the show.
tim tompkins
I haven't seen them, but I'm not sitting here trying to argue that your position is wrong.
rex jones
I'm not trying to renegade.
It's been a good topic.
Let's get to the deep dive.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim tompkins
I know.
Here's the thing I think you'll find, you know, if we actually peeled back and we talked a lot, a lot of things, we actually agree on the bad aspects in itself.
I also am in your camp in the sense that the wrong is wrong.
rex jones
I think you're giving the elites a defense.
tim tompkins
No, no, it's not the elite.
I'm talking about the citizens.
I'm talking about the average person that does not.
rex jones
They live in the capital.
tim tompkins
No, we're just talking about a war for them.
I'm not talking about people who are making decisions.
I'm talking about the average person who doesn't.
rex jones
Who are the people in the government?
Do they have any accountability?
tim tompkins
Come on, it's the same thing as.
rex jones
When the opposition leader, the other guy that's running against Netanyahu, says we need to attack Turkey next, what do you think of that?
unidentified
I am.
rex jones
Is that indicative of his.
tim tompkins
It is the same reason we voted for Trump, right?
rex jones
Sure.
tim tompkins
Okay.
And also bad.
And he went in and took us to war, and it wasn't on our own vote of what we wanted to.
rex jones
Two things are wrong that makes them good?
tim tompkins
I didn't say that makes the government good.
You need to hear my distinction.
unidentified
It's evil.
tim tompkins
It's not about the people, it's about the government and the people that are making decisions.
rex jones
You vote for the government.
tim tompkins
Yeah, that's the same.
That's exactly going back to my original point.
We voted for Trump, and we do not support him.
rex jones
Yeah, you're evil, and we're evil too.
And that's my argument.
tim tompkins
But that doesn't make us evil, is what I'm saying.
rex jones
But we tolerate genocide.
unidentified
No, no.
tim tompkins
I'm saying just like.
rex jones
They talk, they laugh about it.
The IDF soldiers, they clear the kibbutzes and then they wear the laundry and the women they kill.
tim tompkins
I'm saying that there are people that do support those things.
Just like we have people who are, Trump is my buddy.
If he's in a fight, I'm in a fight.
Those people will exist in every single camp.
I'm saying that as us, as the independent people, which do exist and more sensible people, those exist also there.
We cannot deny that.
unidentified
You can point.
rex jones
To a transformation from an anti colonial project into a true colonial project with America.
From Israel, it's been a colonial project from the very beginning.
That is the problem.
It is a colonial expansionist mindset where they believe they have the right to take land.
And the average citizen there does believe that.
I don't like the Penn State poll.
tim tompkins
I do not like the fact that now Swift is saying, Tim, we are evil, bro.
I'm not evil.
I'm not an evil person.
He's not an evil person.
We voted for somebody.
We voted for somebody based off of the most information that we had.
We were all propagandized to a certain extent to think that Trump was going to be the guy that was going to make the right decisions.
When he's in power, we have no say over that because he's already elected in.
rex jones
Do we not tell the audience all the time that we have to take accountability as a country for a change?
tim tompkins
I'm okay with taking accountability for a change, but that doesn't mean that you go black pill and you go to the other extreme and say that you are an evil person.
That's not how you should be.
rex jones
How can they ever take accountability for what they've done?
tim tompkins
There are Jewish people that speak out against the government, is what I'm saying.
There are people that are sensible that realize, hey, this is not conducive.
rex jones
Sure, but it's a minority.
That's the problem.
tim tompkins
That's what people think in certain circumstances of us in certain aspects.
rex jones
There's not a poll that shows 62% of Americans support genocide.
tim tompkins
I don't know how much and what their news looks like and who's propagandized by what.
unidentified
Read her.
tim tompkins
I just, I refuse to lump every single person under the same umbrella when there's clear distinctions.
It's just the same way like people would be like, oh, you're a Democrat now because you have these positions.
No, I have my own thing.
And people who don't even live in Israel, it went past Israel, by the way.
It went to All Jews around the world.
They went to Jews here in America.
Do you know how many people I know are Jewish and have nothing to do with Israel, have nothing to do with support?
They love America, but are lumped into that umbrella too?
rex jones
I mean, it's just a victimhood narrative of like, we're always the victim so we can never be criticized.
tim tompkins
Who's always the victim?
rex jones
Well, we're a group that's persecuted over history, and because of our state doing evil things, we're going to be persecuted because people don't like us because we're Jewish.
That's essentially the argument.
It's like our state, our ethno religious state, If we don't subscribe to that, I totally agree.
But if you subscribe to it and you think that it needs to be greater Israel, then I think you're evil.
I think the Greater Israel Project is evil.
Do you think they should take Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon?
No, I don't.
tim tompkins
This is an evil.
rex jones
They wear the patch.
tim tompkins
And that is why I'm not arguing for that position.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
That's the distinction here.
I never said I want a greater Israel and for them to take more land.
They were wrong back in 1948 and 1949.
They're wrong now.
And they took more than what they were supposed to.
rex jones
They're wrong all the time.
tim tompkins
No, they're wrong now at the same time.
But that's also a decision that's Being made at the higher levels.
What I'm saying is that Jewish and Israeli, those are two different.
Jewish is an ethnicity at this point, Israeli is a citizenship.
rex jones
But Netanyahu is the greatest purveyor of anti Semitism because the Zionist project and why I'm so anti Zionist, it's the marriage of the Jewish identity to the modern state of Israel.
tim tompkins
And that's fine.
unidentified
I'm not saying that.
rex jones
No, that's the problem.
tim tompkins
I'm not saying that you have to be pro Zionist and that you have to want the Jewish greater Israel, whatever the fuck it is.
I'm saying that the problem is it's getting, what I'm saying is it's getting out of hand.
Now you have Dan Bilzerin who's literally calling on killing people, and there's some freaking crazy people that will actually listen to those positions.
rex jones
I think that's promoted by the state to drive up anti Semitism, to drive up support for Israel, because of course Israel's the only place where you're safe from the anti Semitism.
Do you see how that circle forms?
See how that's a feedback loop?
There's anti Semitism.
Israel's the only place that protects Jews.
There's anti Semitism.
Got to give more money over and over and over again.
tim tompkins
And I also agree with the fact.
That it should not be every single criticism gets lumped under anti Semitism.
That's also a clear position that I have.
rex jones
Let me make a distinction here.
So, what you're saying, and I do think that you're right, that we agree on way more than we disagree with here.
And I think the bone of contention is saying that, like, my problem is the anti Semitism argument.
When I hear someone say, oh, like, someone was just anti Semitic to me, and they go, well, you know, I told them that the Gaza people should starve.
That's what Randy Fine says.
He says, you're anti Semitic to me if you make a flyer that says I'm a bad person.
So, he passed a law in Florida to where that's a hate crime now.
You get two years in prison.
tim tompkins
For me, I'm not even talking about those situations.
I'm talking about like the average person that I have also come into contact with where they just literally get attacked for just being Jewish and have no position of anything.
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rex jones
Nobody's a fan of that.
tim tompkins
And that is my position here.
rex jones
I just don't like the people that hide behind, like, oh, I'm pro Israel.
Like Michael Savage goes, I'm pro Israel, but the government, the government.
Well, maybe it's time that you were anti that government for real.
And not just, oh, the opposition party.
How about total reform?
How about two state solution?
Like you were talking about, you're not going to hear that.
That's my position.
We could go back and forth all day.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
Let's do Hontavirus.
tim tompkins
Let's do Hontavirus.
We appreciate you guys tuning in.
unidentified
So.
rex jones
What's going on with that?
tim tompkins
I got to pull out my laptop.
unidentified
No, you're good.
rex jones
And this is why the show is so amazing it's been a while since we've had one of these.
Last one was on abortion.
But we have these passionate disagreements.
We talk these things out.
And obviously, positions change and maybe mend and meld over time.
People come to more information.
But it really is about the audience hearing our various points and then making the distinction, doing the research for themselves.
And then it's really up to them, right?
Because you made an argument.
I made an argument.
It's up to the listeners and viewers out there.
That's what makes this show special.
And now we got the rat virus is going to kill everybody.
So none of it matters.
So get ready.
tim tompkins
So, Wes, give me a second.
Just take us to the waiting room for like two seconds.
And we'll be right back, guys.
rex jones
Yeah, no, they should have kept them on the plague ship.
I don't know why they took people off the boat, and it was really fucked up.
unidentified
Take us away.
Most tremendous,
rex jones
most horrible virus you've ever seen before.
I was on a carnival cruise trying to find Epstein Island.
I wasn't able to find it.
Dr. Tim, what do I do?
tim tompkins
Well, good sir.
Well, I'm sorry.
You just have to take this vaccine that we haven't tested.
rex jones
Oh, you got another one of those?
I remember when I.
unidentified
So.
rex jones
Yeah, we'll talk about haunted virus.
tim tompkins
We'll talk about haunted virus.
Ah, the costumes are back, guys.
rex jones
I got the Trump hair right, finally.
tim tompkins
Here it is.
unidentified
Okay.
All right.
tim tompkins
So, Hot to Virus.
Everyone's freaking out about this one.
I'm seeing all these mixed reviews.
I had to look into this one because Rex and I were kind of just chatting about it.
I'm like, are you sure about what's going on here?
rex jones
I'm just completely zoned out.
So, you're going to wake me up because I don't know anything about it.
unidentified
Right, right.
rex jones
I saw my dad talk about it.
I was like, I don't want to listen to this.
And I turned it off.
So, this is going to be the first time I've heard it.
tim tompkins
Well, here, here, here, folks, I'll just cut to the chase.
Another shutdown 2027.
rex jones
Okay.
tim tompkins
That's the conclusion.
rex jones
Really?
tim tompkins
Another pandemic.
Nah, I'm just messing with you.
rex jones
You're all dead.
Had me for a minute there.
tim tompkins
Would have been a good distraction from the Epstein files.
So, all right, let's talk about this.
So, the cruise ship that made this cluster feel global.
So, three people are dead.
rex jones
We are trying not to curse.
tim tompkins
Yes, we are.
unidentified
Yes, we are.
rex jones
Go ahead, go ahead.
tim tompkins
Yes, we are.
Well, I mean, I saw some people are like, well, I really love you guys, but sometimes you guys swear to God.
unidentified
I know.
rex jones
I'm really bad.
I say the word rape.
Way too much.
tim tompkins
Grape, grape, rape.
Yeah, this is a family show, guys.
rex jones
Exactly.
tim tompkins
Well, I just also like, I got so used to American Journal not swearing, so it just kind of easily carried over.
All right, so three people are dead after the Hansa virus outbreak, right?
So passengers are being monitored.
You got health officials tracing the contacts.
You got online, people are already talking and asking the question Rex, another pandemic.
rex jones
Right, I've heard this.
tim tompkins
What's going to happen?
And it's not to make fun because we all did go through a horrible experience.
Like, no one wants to go through a shutdown again.
But, you know, you can see why people go there.
And so, as the ship moves across countries, there's this deadly virus with like a 40% mortality rate.
And officials are trying to calm people down.
And, you know, people are pretty jaded at this point.
They're like, oh, you're trying to calm me down.
unidentified
I don't believe it anymore.
Right.
Right.
rex jones
So, that's a reverse psychology.
tim tompkins
Right.
Right.
And so, you know, some viruses are brutal for people exposed.
But the problem is, they don't always.
Like, actually, spread past that circle of the original one.
And so, there are also other mild illnesses where, you know, they're actually moving quite quickly.
So, let's look at this picture here.
And we're going to talk about the route of the cruise just to kind of break it down for you guys of like what's happened here.
And let me pull this up too so that we can see it on the mouse.
Let's pull it up on our end too.
rex jones
Big, beautiful mouse, mouse like you've never seen before.
I have a mouse for my computer.
It's made out of gold.
They said, Donald, can you believe how much money we spent getting this?
I said, with all the money we've saved from the tariffs, it's not a problem.
tim tompkins
Honta, Honta.
Okay, here we go.
So we've got.
Which one is it?
Cruise ship route.
unidentified
All right.
tim tompkins
So this is what we're looking at.
unidentified
So.
rex jones
Oh, they went to Chile?
tim tompkins
Yeah, they came from the very tip of Argentina.
So that's the.
This is where it starts.
It starts from Argentina.
April 6th, you've got this first passenger, which is a 70 year old man who falls ill.
Okay, and then this passenger dies literally five days later.
rex jones
Do they give you a burial at sea?
unidentified
I don't.
rex jones
Not your body, I'm just no, I on a carnival cruise, like we gave you a Viking funeral.
Okay, go ahead, go ahead, sorry.
tim tompkins
Um, so yeah, they probably hold on to the body because they want to study him.
So actually, no, yeah, so the body was removed on the 24th at St. Helen.
Uh, what is that?
So there was a 16th, oh, yeah, yeah, St. Helen, and then the passenger wife leaves and flies to South America, and then she dies on April 26th.
And so, you know, she tests for the same thing, which is crazy, right?
So then, April 27th, there's a second passenger that falls ill and he's evacuated to South Africa.
And then there's also the positive test there.
Then you got May 2nd, there's a German woman who shows up with symptoms and she dies on the ship.
And then the last one is the ship arrives at Cape Verde and the WHO is reacting to suspected Hantavirus outbreak on the ship.
For people who are now ill.
So, this is kind of like the timeline of what you're seeing here.
And most people hear outbreak, they picture COVID, cough, breath, you know, crowd, airports, offices, cities.
rex jones
What are the symptoms?
tim tompkins
Right.
And so, haunted virus usually starts somewhere completely different.
It starts from rodents, as you may have seen.
And so, people can get infected through rodent urine, droppings, saliva, or dust contaminated by that material.
And then, the classic danger zone is the cabin, the shed, the storage room, the enclosed.
rex jones
Space, my garage right now.
My garage right now.
tim tompkins
I have a rat problem.
Where the infected material gets stirred up.
So, you know, for the people who are exposed, the haunta virus can be terrifying, but like a pandemic threat, most haunta viruses have a major weakness, and that's because they move poorly through crowds.
And so this, but the problem is, there's different types of haunta viruses.
rex jones
Rupert fucked up our camera.
Oh, sorry.
unidentified
Did he?
rex jones
Yeah, he messed it up.
He bumped it a little.
We're fine.
unidentified
We're fine.
rex jones
Go ahead.
unidentified
Okay.
rex jones
I just noticed.
tim tompkins
Problem is, Is this one's just a little different.
Okay.
This one has the Andes virus.
Okay.
And this is the one that's causing people like all this mass hysteria because this is the one that's the unusual haunted virus that can sometimes pass from one person to another.
And so, you know, this also sounds scary and maybe we should be concerned.
But as I have been researching, the person to person spread can happen through different ways.
Okay.
So normally this is like a usually close, Prolonged contact with somebody who's already been sick.
So, this makes sense why his wife would have died, right?
unidentified
And then.
rex jones
It is scary to see like dead, dead, dead.
That is like, that's pretty tough.
tim tompkins
Right.
But I mean, this is a very different risk when you're talking about a virus moving silently through like crowded public spaces.
rex jones
How long were they on this ship?
tim tompkins
I don't know the exact.
It's April 1st to May 3rd.
So, this is the whole thing.
rex jones
And the incubation period is about a month, right?
So, I guess they got it really quick.
tim tompkins
Well, he could have carried it.
He could have carried it.
He already contracted it before he actually went onto the ship, right?
That's how he would have gotten it because of the fact that he got it from whatever rodent that was in this region.
rex jones
Well, at least they know who the patient zero is.
I didn't know that for COVID.
Patient zero is probably Bill Gates.
unidentified
Wuhan.
tim tompkins
Okay, so let's play this video.
Wes, it's video number five.
And so it's actually the scientists who were talking about the Hantavirus.
And he gives a better explanation.
rex jones
Repost the stream, guys.
Please repost the stream.
unidentified
Yes, please repost the stream.
rex jones
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tim tompkins
Okay, so we're going to play this video.
Go ahead, Wes.
unidentified
This week, we've seen a developing investigation into a cluster, a very unusual cluster of cases of a certain type of hantavirus.
It's called an Andes virus.
It's a hantavirus from South America.
And it's the one type of hantavirus that Scientists suspect may be able to spread from person to person.
maria van kerkhove
In previous outbreaks, there have been instances of human to human transmission, mainly among close contacts, either providing clinical care or people who have had close physical contact.
And we believe that's happening and has happened in the case here on the ship as well.
unidentified
For the decades that scientists have known about Hanavirus, they've almost always believed that the only way you can get it is from being in contact with the droppings, the dried urine of mice or other rodents.
Different viruses have different abilities to spread.
Some, like measles, can spread like wildfire.
Others are harder to spread.
You have to be in very close contact with someone who's very sick, who has a lot of symptoms.
This Hanavirus, if it's spreading from person to person, seems to be in that latter camp.
Health officials say the general public does not need to be worried about Hanavirus.
It's still rare.
This is not the next pandemic.
This is not the next epidemic.
This is a cluster of cases, a very unusual situation that is not expected to spread its tentacles across the world.
Investigators are still nailing down exactly what's going on.
They're still doing genomic sequencing to understand if there's mutations.
They're still looking at the cases and when they happen and what exposures they have.
There's still a lot of stuff to be ironed out, but it's kind of a turning point in the scientific discussion about whether this is a virus that can spread among people.
tim tompkins
First shirt idea was.
rex jones
Yeah, I had a shirt idea.
Sorry to distract.
tim tompkins
I totally forgot about it.
rex jones
Yeah, if someone remembers my first shirt idea because someone referenced a second one, I want to write it down.
I forgot to.
But so who gets on a plague ship?
Because I grew up going on cruises, right?
I don't think I'd go on a cruise again.
We were cruise people.
tim tompkins
I love cruises.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
I actually still went on a cruise like immediately after COVID.
rex jones
Carnival, Royal Caribbean.
tim tompkins
Yeah, buddy.
rex jones
Exactly.
Exactly.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
So, you know, here's the thing.
Like, You know, the uh, when you hear about these situations, like the human to human trans transmission sounds like one clear category, but it's actually kind of like different as he was talking about.
So, like, COVID spreads between people, you've got Ebola that spreads between people, and like you have now the Andes virus or Hantavirus, which also spreads through people, but it's the same phrase, but it's different mechanisms for that spreading.
So, COVID moved through normal life, you had indoor air conversations, workday travel, all those things.
You know, people who felt fine enough to keep going.
And then Ebola was direct through like contact of blood, bodily fluids, contaminated fluids, and burial exposure.
rex jones
And remember the freak out on that.
tim tompkins
Yeah, I've got stuff.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
tim tompkins
I went down the rabbit hole because like I started to remember all the previous ones that we got, you know, earmongered into, right?
And so the Andes virus is usually linked through, you know, the close contact, prolonged contact with somebody who's already sick.
And so, you know, the public tends to ask, like, how deadly is it?
Why COVID Was Different 00:11:14
tim tompkins
So, for a pandemic risk, you know, the bigger question would be like, how efficiently can it move?
Because that's actually the more important question than just the mortality rate.
So, a death rate alone cannot create a pandemic.
A virus that makes people visibly sick fast leaves clues.
And so people notice it, and doctors can isolate it, and then contact tracers have a clear path to actually follow for these events, right?
So it can still be devastating, but it actually has a hard time moving quietly.
And so that is the reason.
Yeah, you can put a stop to it.
That's why the pandemic risk becomes a lot less likely in this scenario.
rex jones
With COVID, the real situation you had was that for old people, For old people that were out of shape specifically, there was like a 3% to 5% or like 1%, whatever it was, mortality rate.
And that was a big problem.
And essentially, with COVID, you have something where it simulates kind of pneumonia in you, where you have it for a while, you don't know you have it, all of a sudden you can't breathe, right?
And then you go to the hospital, they put you on a ventilator, and then you die.
But the whole reason they pushed the vaccine on people, what they told you was, hey, this is going to stop transmission.
It may not stop total severity of you getting it, but it's going to stop you giving it to other people.
And that's why, like, you look like a bacteria versus a virus.
A virus mutates so much that it's a lot easier to transmit.
So, the haunting of being a virus and not a bacteria is very scary because maybe it did mutate and jump from the animal to the human to where the human can spread it as well.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
That's a valid concern.
tim tompkins
That is a valid concern.
That's why I kind of wanted to cover some of these other viruses that happen because we've had several of these scares.
Yeah, you guys in your comments sometimes.
rex jones
Yeah, y'all are having fun out there.
Y'all are having fun out there.
Yeah, it didn't come from banging a pangolin or having sex with a bat at a wet market.
That's not where COVID came from.
COVID came from the Wuhan virus.
tim tompkins
Yeah, it literally came from an actual lab.
rex jones
Yeah, they were saying.
And they had it.
They were just like, oh, we had a guy that escaped and he fucked things up for everybody.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
So talk about the other viruses.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
So now we got to think about, okay, like how easy does it spread?
When does it spread?
Can people pass it on when they feel sick?
Can mild cases keep walking around?
Can they travel through normal life without people realizing?
And so that kind of explains why COVID was a lot different.
And you were kind of hitting on that.
So the COVID.
You know, had like this dangerous mix essentially, and so it could spread through ordinary behavior.
You know, you just go into a restaurant, you're just hanging with your family, workplaces, indoors, you're breathing your bed.
And so, you know, people could pass it along before the symptoms actually showed.
That's what made COVID different.
Uh, we can actually show this picture go ahead and pull that up, Wes, of the contrast between uh, the regular flu and um, COVID because the symptoms do start pretty much the same.
rex jones
What is this graph of?
tim tompkins
Zoom in on that for people so that they can see a little bit.
unidentified
Sorry.
rex jones
I don't know how much I believe it was that.
tim tompkins
Yeah, I'll say take this with a very big grain of salt.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
They didn't really have really good charts or data that's current.
rex jones
The interesting thing that I'll point out, and I want you to monologue and explain it to people, is you can look at flu deaths from 2020, 2021.
They basically had none, they didn't count them.
Everybody had flu, also had COVID.
tim tompkins
And that's why I could only find charts and data from 2020.
But this is just to give you a perspective of why we were panicking.
Because what we saw at the early rate, however they were calculating this, I was high at 10%.
This is why COVID deserves its own deep dive.
And I won't do this here because you go down the rabbit hole and it's a whole topic in itself.
But just understand this is what the concern was you had a higher mortality rate.
rex jones
What's the rationale for telling people?
tim tompkins
We had to lock and you had the same amount of contagious ability, and it moved.
unidentified
Why?
tim tompkins
Here's the thing in my this is this is a theory of mine.
I don't know if this is actually true.
What I think was, is maybe the earliest strain of COVID was more deadly than the later strain.
rex jones
And Delta was the worst.
I think that's widely known.
And then what they said was that it mutated into Omicron, which was far more transmissible and basically so mild that when you get it, you don't get it.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
So I feel like the very beginning, before we noticed it, maybe there was some legitimacy to the severity.
rex jones
I got super sick in 2020, at the beginning of 2020.
And they say, according to Red Cross blood samples, that it was around in like late 2019.
So, like, there's we got to do a whole COVID review.
tim tompkins
We do have to do a whole COVID.
rex jones
That's not even a deep dive.
It's like a whole show.
tim tompkins
That's a whole show.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
I'm not even claiming to be an expert because I haven't looked into this enough.
But again, you see the numbers.
They're saying, well, granny at 85 plus 10.4%.
I mean, that makes sense.
And no one's surviving at that age with all of the problems.
rex jones
They cooked the books and they had people that, like, you diabetes, 400 pounds, you die.
And they say you died of COVID.
Well, did you die of COVID or did you die because you were like a piece of poo poo?
Like, that's interesting.
tim tompkins
Yeah, because of the fact that you were already almost there.
rex jones
And we are like one of the most, if not the most, unhealthy country on the face of the earth.
That's also a huge not pun intended.
tim tompkins
You got the Walleys walking around.
rex jones
Yeah, the Walrus Army.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
So now, you know, I also had to think about Ebola because do you remember when Ebola came out and how scary that was?
rex jones
Obama was like, let me be clear, we are okay.
But people were really.
tim tompkins
No, they were really panicked.
Like, it was a serious issue.
And so, like, hospitals.
Hospitals were overwhelmed and all these things happened.
So let's go ahead and play that video, Wes, of what Ebola looked like at the time.
And I believe it started in Africa and then it kind of made its way around different parts of the world.
But it was a very big issue.
This thing's people didn't understand.
rex jones
Oh, this thing's so itchy.
tim tompkins
Trump's gone.
Okay, so let's go ahead and play this from the zero minute mark.
rex jones
See, hair, even fake hair, really does make you look better.
That's the problem.
It's like the wig is like the black Spider Man outfit.
unidentified
Outside the John F. Kennedy Hospital in Monrovia, Liberia, 20 year old Ibagastiwo is sick.
His parents wait beside him.
All signs point to the late stages of Ebola, the deadly virus that's killed more than 2,300 across West Africa.
He just vomited, he told him, vomited, told him, vomited, told him, he eat, he vomited.
You gotta give it paper back.
As sick as he is, he won't be allowed inside.
The largest hospital in the nation, and many others just like it, are completely full.
But I want to thank you.
And the hospital now will go to the same.
They say we should wear the title.
This is Ben C. Solomon in Monrovia Life.
This city of one and a half million is the first major metropolitan area to face an Ebola outbreak since the virus was discovered in 1976.
Hundreds have died here since the outbreak began in May, and the World Health Organization expects thousands of new cases in the coming weeks.
With a limited number of hospital beds and personnel to treat the sick, many of the infected are left to die at the hospital gates.
It's heartbreaking.
There's nothing I can do about it because I have no space, I don't have the capacity.
Local and foreign run treatment centers alike are unable to cope with the surge.
Here at the Doctors Without Borders Treatment Center, they too are at capacity.
What we're looking at here is about 300.
rex jones
So, your life could be a lot worse, ladies and gentlemen.
unidentified
Yep.
rex jones
Your life could be a lot worse.
You could be that guy on the ground dying of Ebola.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
That's actually when I was watching that video.
That was the hit me the most.
I was like, geez.
You know, because you never really like to see that stuff on your day to day life.
unidentified
No.
tim tompkins
You know, and you don't really think about it because despite everything, we have a relatively.
Healthy system in terms of the cleanliness.
Like, we do a lot here in terms of sanitization.
You know, that's why the health expectancy is like much longer, even if people are like 400 pounds.
rex jones
We had a very brief period in this country where we truly had like space age technology compared to everybody else post World War II.
And we eradicated so many parasites and so many nasty organisms and things that used to be here, like the screwworm and many others.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
And it's like you're saying, like, think about malaria.
We don't have malaria here.
tim tompkins
Right.
We also cured.
Things like polio.
rex jones
Sure.
tim tompkins
Imagine eradicating an entire disease forever.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
That's that serious.
tim tompkins
That's the stuff that I'm like, wow.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
That's very impressive.
tim tompkins
Very impressive.
rex jones
Yeah.
Like I always reference the screwworm.
They eliminated the screwworm all the way down to the Darien gap.
They cleared out Central America.
They were like, we are not.
That's why I look at the ticks.
I'm like, you're next.
That's what I want to advocate for.
But I mean, yeah.
So like you could be that guy.
Anybody could be that guy.
Like you're sick.
You're dying.
You're in pain.
And that's a reality for like really most of the people around the world.
Like, You're not going to get a doctor.
Hospital's full.
The hospital looks like a shed.
tim tompkins
Also, not even just that.
I have a buddy of mine who I do business with.
He's a Canadian.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
He was telling me, you know, as much as we complain about our healthcare system here, he said, you guys actually have it better than us.
rex jones
You know, waiting two years.
tim tompkins
Yeah, just to get an MRI, like in just basic care for certain things, you know, he had to wait like six months.
rex jones
But it sounds to me like your buddy's a complainer because they'll just kill you if you have a problem.
It's called medical assistance in dying, called MAID.
So.
tim tompkins
Yes.
rex jones
And that's their health care.
tim tompkins
And it's illegal in Canada for anyone to have any type of private health care.
And there's no private hospitals.
So when you socialize everything, you don't have the best.
So we've covered that at certain points, not to get in the weeds.
There are some positives, but there's also some negatives because there's some people who did some very bad things with the pricing.
rex jones
The thing I think we can come together on our positions on is that things are mixed, things are gray.
Like we already live in a mixed economy and stuff like this.
So Like we look at the total socialism in Canada, it's obviously not a good thing.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
So, yeah.
tim tompkins
Capitalism is good at certain points, just when it's not a monopoly, right?
rex jones
True.
That's a good point.
tim tompkins
So, now we talked about that.
And so, like with Ebola, you could actually track it from person to person to person, which made it easier for them to stop.
Tracking Viruses Through History 00:15:05
tim tompkins
But a lot of people did die from Ebola.
rex jones
Sure.
tim tompkins
Before they were able to crack down on it.
rex jones
I think it was in Texas at some point.
tim tompkins
I think it was here.
Yes, it was.
Wait, was it?
rex jones
I remember this back in the day.
tim tompkins
Something like that.
rex jones
Like someone flew on a plane and then they got in trouble.
tim tompkins
It was either in, I think it made its way to Canada.
I mean, Mexico.
If I'm not.
rex jones
Let's look up Texas Ebola.
unidentified
Ebola in Texas.
rex jones
I knew it.
I knew it.
Ebola was in Texas in 2014.
The first patient diagnosed with Ebola was Thomas Eric Duncan.
He was diagnosed in Dallas, Texas, and he died.
unidentified
It's bad.
tim tompkins
Yeah, it's bad.
unidentified
They kill you.
rex jones
I think it's like 40%.
What is mortality rate?
tim tompkins
What is Ebola's mortality rate?
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
I think it's like 40, 50%.
It's got to be high.
Woo!
25 to 90% with an average of approximately 50%.
tim tompkins
And it says recent data indicates bull averaged a rate of 60% between 76 to 2022.
rex jones
You got to be really tough to survive.
tim tompkins
I bet you don't even.
Yeah, I bet you.
I was going to say, you probably don't even come out all right after all of that.
rex jones
No, you're probably never the same.
And the thing is, it causes like.
Bleeding like from like various like mucosal tissues, also like under your fingernails and stuff like that.
tim tompkins
It's a terrible way to go out.
rex jones
Probably one of the worst.
tim tompkins
So now you remember this one, swine flu, right?
unidentified
Sure.
rex jones
We talk about that.
tim tompkins
Swine flu.
I remember when swine flu came out, that was supposed to be the one that they made seem like COVID.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
They were, they were talking a big game about swine flu.
They sat us down in school and they were like, listen, kids, you're screwed.
Be careful.
rex jones
You're older than me.
So, I didn't receive that treatment.
unidentified
Oh.
rex jones
Yeah, I didn't receive that.
tim tompkins
Yeah, this was, what year was that?
rex jones
You're probably like, if I was in elementary, you were in middle school.
unidentified
Four years.
tim tompkins
Yeah, yeah, I was in middle school.
rex jones
Yeah, exactly.
tim tompkins
I was in middle school.
They sat us all down and they basically told us, like, you're cooked.
It's over.
That's what they said to me as a fifth grader.
They were like, yeah, just clean your hands, wash your hands.
It was a big deal.
So, the swine flu was declared a pandemic because it was spread globally.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
And so, you know, the word pandemic means global spread.
So, I mean, You can play on words there.
Let's go ahead and play this video on swine flu.
Cue number seven.
And we're going to play it from a zero minute mark.
Go ahead and play that.
Is this the one on swine flu?
rex jones
I'm doing a doodle.
tim tompkins
Yeah, but I vividly remember swine flu.
I was genuinely scared at this time period.
rex jones
I was scared of the Ebola.
I remember that.
That's because I was old enough to be scared of it.
You know, I was like 12 or whatever, or 11.
tim tompkins
They always make it seem like you're going to die, though.
rex jones
Yes.
tim tompkins
It's this fear monger.
And we're going to get into that, by the way.
But this is just me coming to a realization some stuff is serious, but some things are not as serious as you think.
rex jones
Well, they like to use it as a mechanism to control people, Tim.
tim tompkins
Yeah, we saw that.
rex jones
Even at the young age, they try to make it like, oh, I got to do what the government says.
That's what that is.
tim tompkins
So, all right, let's go ahead and play this clip real quick.
unidentified
The World Health Organization has declared a swine flu pandemic.
As the disease continues to spread around the world, we are all in this together.
And we will all get through this together.
While cases in the U.S. have abated since the initial outbreaks months ago, globally, the number of known infections has climbed to close to 30,000 with more than 140 deaths.
Just this week, Hong Kong ordered all kindergartens and primary schools closed for two weeks as it deals with positive tests.
The Philippines, China, and the Palestinian territories.
Are also dealing with outbreaks, and it's the poorer countries the WHO says it is worried about influenza pandemics.
rex jones
Weather more Gaza can't catch a break, dude.
They got swine flu smoked, dude.
That's bad, yeah.
tim tompkins
So, like, you know, with the swine flu, uh, it moved pretty fast, honestly.
And officials took it serious.
Some schools closed, countries were preparing for second waves, and then kind of like the emotional temperature changed because many of the cases looked mild.
And then per case severity became lower.
And then only the worst were like the early fears of whatever it was.
And so, you know, the swine flu still caused real illness, real deaths.
But I mean, again, it goes back to that same thing like, you know, the spread of it matters.
How quickly is it going to spread?
How severe is it?
And I don't know this for a fact.
I might be skipping ahead of myself, but we were kind of the whole reason why we got to this discussion is it's like, you know, the higher the mortality rate on some of these viruses.
It almost seems like the contagious rate, as well as the ability for it to actually move around the population, seems to be lower in certain aspects.
It's almost like a beauty of nature because, well, there's actually an exception to that rule where you do get a perfect combination.
And you've heard of like the Black Plague, right?
rex jones
Sure.
tim tompkins
This is the mother of everything.
But before that, let's pull up this image.
rex jones
It's cured now.
We have some treatment.
tim tompkins
Let's pull up this image before we go to that image of the virus.
This one.
Is going to show you kind of all of the viruses over time.
It's super hard to see up close.
rex jones
Let me get the Black Death.
tim tompkins
Okay, I'm pulling it up on our end.
rex jones
You got smallpox, the Black Death at 200 million.
You got smallpox, 56 million.
Spanish flu at.
tim tompkins
Okay, so this is the history.
rex jones
So you've got the plague, Antonine Plague, Plague Justinian, Japanese smallpox epidemic, Black Death.
Smallpox, 17th century great plagues, 18th century great plagues, cholera, that's what comes from the water, makes you real sick.
That's a million dead, 1817, 1923.
The third plague, 1855, 15, 12 million.
Dude, yellow fever, 100, 150K, Spanish flu, 40 to 50 million, Russian flu, 1 million, Asian flu, 1.1, Hong Kong, 1, HIV, 25, 35 million, SARS, Ebola, swine flu, 200K.
tim tompkins
All right, so that's where COVID, they said 6.9 million.
And that's because they say WHO officially declared COVID 19 a pandemic in March and 20.
So, very interesting.
Oh, this is the highest to lowest death toll.
Okay, this is good.
This is good here.
Okay, so yeah, the Black Death, just look how big this is, by the way, guys.
rex jones
Oh, it's saying 6.9 million people got killed by COVID, maybe worldwide.
tim tompkins
That's what I was saying, worldwide.
But like you just see COVID.
This was, but like that was our black swan event because we actually lived through it.
Spanish flu was actually pretty bad.
rex jones
Oh, it's horrible.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
I mean, and that's like 100 years ago.
So we just had our own version of the Spanish flu, but thank God we didn't experience that.
So now let's go and play the video.
Start it from the five minute, two second mark, Wes.
This made me realize how lucky we are to be born today.
And just watch, bear with us on this video.
This is very good.
Pay attention.
unidentified
Plague for a while, the Mongol army camped outside got the idea to begin catapulting their infected corpses over the city walls in an early attempt at biological warfare.
The residents of Kaffa began falling victim to the plague as well, and the Giannese merchants decided to just call it quits and escape on their ships back to Italy.
Unknowingly to them, however, they had brought the infected rats and fleas with them on their ships, which were the seeds that would sow the worst pandemic ever in all of human history.
After the rats got off the ships in Sicily and Genoa, the plague exploded all across Italy and Quickly spread along trade routes across the entire Mediterranean and Europe.
So between 1347 and 1351, the plague ravaged most of the European continent.
In just these five years, it's estimated that as much as 60% of the population of the European continent died.
But some areas were hit harder than others.
Mediterranean regions like Italy, France, and Spain saw as much as 75%.
tim tompkins
Can you even imagine that?
unidentified
No.
rex jones
Well, it's just insane.
unidentified
75%.
rex jones
I mean, there are stories of like, Where they would like find a girl and she'd been on an island with like animals for like, you know, a decade.
You know, like, really?
Yeah, Wasteland, dude.
It's like, think about Fallout.
They should do a Fallout show where it's like the Black Plague.
You see what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Wouldn't that be cool?
unidentified
Wouldn't that?
rex jones
That's a bad idea, Larry Ellison.
tim tompkins
Just to see what it was like, they do a whole reenactment of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
Well, I'm just saying, like, it's literally that that was like medieval Fallout.
tim tompkins
Unreal.
Okay, let's go back to the clip.
75% guys.
unidentified
Of their populations dying.
70% of England's population died out.
60% of Norway's and 20% of Germany's.
Paris and London both lost half of their population.
tim tompkins
Okay, here's one thing I want you guys to understand about these numbers.
In evolution terms, literally you wiped out generations that will never exist today.
rex jones
It's a bottleneck event.
tim tompkins
So, whatever, whatever, like the you guys watching, whatever we're descendants of, Survived this whole situation, and you were just like the lucky few, and your lineage survived.
rex jones
True.
tim tompkins
Like 75%, 70%.
That's the world.
Like that, that's all.
We can't even fathom it.
rex jones
Different history, different historical figures, different production of math, science, art, all of it.
And that's why it's called the Dark Ages, is because you had things like this happen.
tim tompkins
Right.
And they had a whole economy, by the way.
In the 1300s, they were still kind of.
unidentified
Oh, no.
tim tompkins
We were civilized.
rex jones
They were building up, and the reason why it's called, like, points to the Plague of Justinian and stuff is like, Plagues and events like this helped hasten the fall of like the old European Roman order.
So, very important to point out to people and to understand it's like we lost so much history, so much art, so much everything during the pandemic.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
rex jones
It's like, what do you do when no one's alive and the building burns?
tim tompkins
That's so true.
rex jones
So, like, we don't even know what happened.
Yeah, truly.
tim tompkins
Okay, go back to the video.
unidentified
Populations.
And Florence lost so many people that they didn't recover their population back until the 1800s.
But other areas of Europe were almost never even touched by the plague.
Like Poland, most of Hungary, and Belgium.
It's unclear why exactly the plague varied so greatly in intensity across the continent, but within just five years, six out of every ten people living on the continent beforehand was dead.
The Black Death, as it became to be known, also heavily afflicted the Middle East, where approximately one out of every three people died in that same five year timeframe as well.
It's believed that in just this five year length of time, the bubonic plague may have killed as many as 200 million people across Eurasia.
Which is absolutely staggering when you remember that the entire world population prior to the pandemic was only 475 million people.
That means that it's possible that around 42% of the entire human population of the world died within just a few years from a single disease.
To put into perspective how absolutely earth shattering and cataclysmic it was for the time, that would be exactly like if a disease wiped out 3.15 billion people today.
Day in just a few years.
It would irrevocably change the world forever, just like the Black Death did in the 14th century and like the first plague did in the 6th century.
In this case, the Black Death wiped out most of the people living in Europe.
tim tompkins
So, you know, the reason why I went down this rabbit hole well, there's two parts, right?
Like, the first part is like, okay, is there a legitimacy to like when we talk about like these viruses and the Hanta virus and all those things?
And, you know, one thing says next pandemic and the other one just says fear mongering.
And the thing is, is like, you should take viruses seriously, but social media really does.
Have a way of like extrapolating things out worse than they actually do.
rex jones
You remember in 2020 when all those videos were coming out in China of like the people in the trim with the blood and like vomiting up the blood and all that, and all that was bullshit because we know COVID doesn't do that, right?
But like everyone's like, oh my gosh, this is gonna come here and kill everybody, right?
But and that's the thing about like when you have like a knowledge gap and when the government isn't telling you the truth about these things, like we really should, we should have a government that helps and protects us from stuff like this, not one that uses a crisis for benefit, right?
And that's the problem.
tim tompkins
And the other thing that like why I'm covering this.
I think I'm going to be done after this.
unidentified
No, you're good.
You're good.
tim tompkins
The only reason why we don't have another black plague situation is because technology has advanced.
And that is why you will see me always be like, as much as I'm like, I look out for people and I care about the fact that, like, you know, I don't want people to lose jobs, those types of things.
I still am pro technology in the sense of pushing humanity forward so that way we don't have these cataclysmic events.
rex jones
You get the black plague now, you can get treated for it and get used to it.
Cured for it, we have the treatment.
And the reason why it's called the black plague, it's not a racism thing or anything like that.
It gives you black spots.
tim tompkins
It turns you black.
rex jones
Yeah, it gives you giant black spots.
And then you get, like, after you're on the deathbed, you get the N word pass because you're all the way black.
tim tompkins
All the way black.
Yeah, but so what were you saying before that?
You were saying?
rex jones
I was just saying, like, pointing at 2020, looking at what happened in China with, like, you can't tell me, I'm not saying you're telling me that you can't tell me this, but, like, anybody out there, you can't tell me that you didn't see the videos of the people in China, like, coughing up the blood on the train.
People are freaking out, like, I got to get off the train.
And I don't know who cooked that up, whether that was the Chinese or that was CIA, whatever it was, but that was what inspired people to have that kind of like Black Death response.
Because that's what people thought about COVID.
It's like literally, in Texas here, I could still go anywhere, do whatever, it was fine.
But the world was empty for like six months.
Legitimate Reasons to Stay Inside 00:02:00
rex jones
People did not go outside.
And I think to not go outside, you got to have a legitimate reason.
And like we just showed a legitimate reason.
tim tompkins
That's a legitimate reason.
rex jones
In the Black Death.
tim tompkins
But I also feel like that.
The black plague also spread so much because people had no idea what to do.
And also, hygiene was not the same as it is today.
rex jones
They thought God was mad at them or something.
And they were like, oh, we got all these mice running around.
That's not a problem.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
So, that's kind of the issue.
tim tompkins
So, now the last thing I'm going to show you guys is the countries that are best and worst prepared for a pandemic if it ever happened again.
rex jones
Yeah, Africa's not doing too hot.
They got a bit of a problem with the sickness.
tim tompkins
So, this is kind of what you would expect.
Right, like first world countries, which legally or technically we don't have those anymore.
Somehow somebody overwrote that and said, You're not allowed to say first, second, or third world.
I'm gonna do that because we've done that forever, right?
rex jones
Literally forever.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim tompkins
Maybe that was like a liberal push or something like that.
I have no idea.
Um, so you know, United States, you know, Canada, Europe, looking pretty good.
It's this is what I expect.
South America, not so hot.
Africa, cooked.
Middle East, cooked.
rex jones
Bangladesh has a problem.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
And Russia, I actually, you know what?
I would say Russia's not as developed as you would think in certain aspects.
rex jones
No, but Russia, India, China, they have medical.
tim tompkins
They do.
rex jones
They have medical, but they have so many people.
Especially China and India.
tim tompkins
China and India, yeah.
Who's worst prepared?
North Korea.
North Korea, how are they?
Well, maybe, but they just shut.
Down the whole thing so no one had COVID.
rex jones
Kim Jong Un's COVID mask is just having someone in front of him.
You catch it, not me.
His human body shields, body arm.
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unidentified
Oh man.
tim tompkins
They put North Korea next to Somalia and Yemen.
That's trash.
rex jones
That's a bad list today.
tim tompkins
Hey, USA, USA, we're number one.
rex jones
And that's based on six pillars of health security prevention, detection, response, health norms, and risks.
tim tompkins
So, okay.
rex jones
We're done with this, but I guess North Korea, you can't fight the virus because you don't have food.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
That's kind of the problem.
You're not resilient enough because you're not.
tim tompkins
Also, they don't have technological advancements because they're one, sanctioned, two, they don't trade with anyone.
rex jones
It all goes to the military.
Yeah.
tim tompkins
So, so, Hantavirus is probably a nothing burger.
Let's be honest, guys.
But I digress.
rex jones
We'll keep monitoring the situation as we always do.
We really appreciate y'all watching the show tonight.
Wes, can we throw up goprimalcore.com?
Because I want to show people we got over a thousand people in here.
We've got really cool supplement products for you.
You all know about ashwagandha, it's incredible.
If you're already taking it, you should take it from us.
We've also got this Elemental Drive formula, which is nootropic, pro, like positive hormonal, boosts energy, enzymatic processes.
Go ahead and show the bundle there.
You wouldn't mind showing the bundle there.
tim tompkins
Elemental Drive is selling hotcakes.
rex jones
Yeah, Elemental Drive is doing great.
People are really enjoying the formula, saying it's giving them that positive energy.
Here's the thing these are natural formulations.
Tim is very much so clean cut and very cognizant of everything, especially after COVID in your body.
tim tompkins
I realized why I didn't have as much energy.
And I'm also going to be upping my dosage to two of the elemental drive magnesium, and some of these other ingredients were good for, you know, the mitochondrial health.
And I, and you know, I understand when you say mitochondrial and like ATP, but I didn't really quite understand.
It literally is like my engine of energy throughout the day.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
Well, let's break it down, right?
So, mitochondrial health is key to all metabolic and physical health throughout the body.
As we get older, our mitochondrial efficiency goes down.
You start to develop these things called senescent cells due to inefficient cell processes.
tim tompkins
And not to interrupt.
unidentified
To you.
rex jones
No, sure.
tim tompkins
I actually have been feeling the difference.
I'm 27 now.
When I was like 23, 24, I never had, I didn't have most of the problems that I do now.
I hate father time.
rex jones
25.
tim tompkins
25, it really starts going downhill.
rex jones
Yeah.
tim tompkins
I know.
rex jones
I'm crashing out while I still can.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
So I know you guys are like, oh, you're 27.
You're complaining.
Look, I feel a big difference from when I was 22, 23.
So he's right.
rex jones
No, absolutely.
And the thing you got to keep in mind, these are all natural ingredients.
This is everything, and it's optimal for.
Form like the KSM66 Ashwagandha.
That's why we can make the claims that we are making because we use the same dose.
It's used in all the top studies.
And if you just go to Elemental Drive again, really quick, and I want to read this to people.
This is what you have to understand because you're taking like a men's multivitamin.
Elemental Drive is great for men and women, but particularly good for men, let me tell you.
The thing is, you're not taking magnesium bisglycinate.
You're taking like a magnesium stearate.
You're taking a magnesium oxide.
We've got the correct form.
We take zinc.
You're probably taking zinc oxide.
We've got zinc picolinate, highly absorbable, unlike the other ones, 25 milligrams.
Boron is boron citrate, elevates free testosterone.
Selenium is selenium methathionine, 125, I think that's micrograms, 227%.
Copper to balance out the zinc.
Here's the thing people know about zinc, they know how amazing it is for your body.
The thing is, when you supplement heavily with zinc without supplementing with copper in the ideal ratio, you're going to get an imbalance.
And that positive effect could turn into a negative effect really quick.
So, if you want to take a zinc that actually has the balance of the copper, you can take this alongside your vitamin D3, your magnesium, your selenium, your boron.
This is rocket fuel in the absolute best way because you need all these things for yourself already.
tim tompkins
And the best part about this is the single ingredients.
Are super important.
rex jones
Nothing's hidden here.
tim tompkins
Yeah, it's like nothing's hidden and there's like no catch to this stuff.
These are things that your body naturally needs and they've been around for a very long time.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
You say take all the things, but buying it from sponsors be expensive.
We are the sponsor.
So, like, this is us.
And here's the thing for this, show me where you're buying all these separately for a better price.
We'll get you a discount code.
I don't believe it.
tim tompkins
I'm going to pull up the discount code.
rex jones
Yeah, and you guys can use code CORE25 to get an additional 25% off.
And I think you get even more when you subscribe.
We want you to subscribe, try it out for a few months.
We guarantee you're going to see some measure of positive increase in some holistic form.
I really do believe that.
And we take these products, you'll feel it.
unidentified
Yes.
rex jones
So, especially the ashwagandha.
Let me explain.
Ashwagandha, what it does so, cholesterol is your master base for making all hormones throughout the body.
And cortisol, the stress hormone, the hormone that peaks in the morning, the hormone that makes you feel stressed out, makes you gain fat, makes you lose muscle, it gets created by the cholesterol.
What does ashwagandha do?
It tilts kind of the pipe, taking the cholesterol to make cortisol, it tilts it towards making testosterone, or if you're a woman, positive sex hormones that make you feel better.
And that's verifiable.
Just look at the studies.
Everything I said is 100% accurate.
So when you take the elemental drive and the ultimate ashwagandha, you're getting something, especially you're a guy, that's going to make you feel more positive, lower your cortisol, lower your stress, increase your testosterone.
Then you take the elemental drive, which is basically just like think about it like this elemental drive is like gasoline.
And then Ultimate Ashwagandha is like engine oil lubricant.
All right, that's how you got to think of it.
And together, it's a total assist to help you drive.
tim tompkins
It's actually not $40 per month.
If you subscribe, he's saying per month, if you subscribe, you're literally getting 30%.
rex jones
Yeah, if you subscribe, you get 30%.
tim tompkins
So zoom in on that.
rex jones
Yeah, you get 30% of your time.
tim tompkins
You're paying like about $27 a month.
rex jones
And the thing is, we appreciate donations.
And if you're on YouTube or Rumble or on the link, you can donate.
The thing is, we want to give you guys something that's going to improve your life.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
And like these are, here's the thing people talk about price.
These are 20 teens prices.
I've been selling supplements for decades.
Okay.
I talked to people, I was at the farmer's market, Tim.
I was talking to people.
They're like, well, I want to get your mushroom.
So it's way too expensive what I'm paying right now.
I'm paying $120 a month.
And I'm like, what are you buying?
They're like, well, it's a blend.
I don't know.
And I'm like, you've been robbed.
Please let us know.
tim tompkins
I've also been seeing the supplements that some of these other creators are buying.
And it's like the starting price for some of these things are like, 90 bucks.
rex jones
Yeah, no, absolutely.
And that's because here's the thing they don't feel bad about ripping people off because they don't know they're ripping people off.
But because we have a knowledge of the industry and because we manufacture these things ourselves, ship them ourselves, all of it, we're aware of just how important, how hard, how painstaking the process of bringing a formula to market has to be.
And that's why we got the absolute best at goprimalcore.com.
That's code CORE25.
Get yourself the discount, subscribe and save, get 30% off.
That is a phenomenal deal, guys.
tim tompkins
It really, really truly is.
We've got several people that are subscribed.
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tim tompkins
Yes.
And they're loving it.
I haven't heard any complaints at all.
unidentified
Awesome.
tim tompkins
Only good things.
So we appreciate you guys.
The next time you will see me is on Tuesday.
unidentified
Okay.
rex jones
Is it raining?
unidentified
Is it?
Dang.
rex jones
Sounds like it's pouring.
tim tompkins
I hate it.
unidentified
All right.
tim tompkins
Next time you guys will see me is on Tuesday.
I'll start doing Tuesdays with Tim on American Journal with Rex.
rex jones
American Journal, 8 a.m. to 11 a.m., five days a week.
Tuesday, we're going to be doing another gray area show that's going to be live here, 8 a.m. to 11 a.m.
However, that's going to be a two hour show.
All right.
And then we're going to take calls.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
So we're going to do a call in show for you guys.
tim tompkins
I miss talking to you guys, you know, and we got a bunch of new people.
unidentified
Sure.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
I got to figure out how to take calls on this EVMUX because that was the only reason why I'm here.
rex jones
Temporarily.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
I'll figure it out.
That's what I've been using.
But thank you all for being here tonight.
We love you.
Thank you, King West, for keeping it real as well.
tim tompkins
Damon, we still see you in the chat.
We still love you, man.
I know you're working these days.
rex jones
Rotate.
tim tompkins
We appreciate you guys.
Peace out.
rex jones
Peace out.
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