Harrison Smith joins Rex Jones and Tim Tompkins to dissect Iran's conflict as special operations rather than formal war, exposing alleged Fox News propaganda regarding the Ayatollah's death and questioning U.S. casualty figures amidst destroyed oil depots. They analyze Israel's role in pressuring presidents for action, linking the 1948 Nakba to a broader conspiracy for a global government centered in Jerusalem. The discussion details Iranian sleeper cells, citing the failed Corpus Christi plot of Mansour Arbabsir and Steve Walder's confirmation of decades-long U.S. networks activated via low-tech dead drops. Finally, they explain modern surveillance using digital breadcrumbs, AI-driven Palantir analysis, and Maltego mapping to build actionable security profiles without selling personal data. [Automatically generated summary]
I mean, obviously that's what a lot of the Venezuela stuff was programming us to accept, right?
And I think we talked about this while it was happening, but it's like, yeah, we're not okay with this.
We're not okay with Trump just saying, actually, because these people are transporting drugs that might be taken by Americans that might result in them dying.
Like the midterms, everything, because, you know, Americans largely, I think the thing that we're discovering is a lot of people are apathetic to this.
A lot of people, you talk to them about the war and they're just like, oh, I don't know.
I shudder to think what the wider public thinks is going on right now.
No, I don't think, no, I don't think anybody is following it as closely as we are, which is, you know, you have to follow it this closely if you want to know anything about it.
Because if you watch Fox News or something like it, and, you know, I was sort of shocked.
I guess I shouldn't have been, but just like the blatant propagand propaganda, you know, strategy of Fox is like jarring.
It's like actually jarring.
I turn on Greg Gutfeld.
And it's Greg Gutfeld like, we killed the Ayatollah and his Council of Elders.
It's just like a picture of like a bunch of goats with turbans on.
So I don't think that we're winning unabashedly like we claim that we're winning, because if we were winning, we wouldn't have blown up their entire spot.
Like Tehran, like we've, we've given, and there's a tweet I have in the, in the Google Doc, we've given potentially, you know, tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people, cancer in the future, you know, because like these are very dangerous, toxic petrochemicals.
We're burning up, we're blowing up their entire quadrant, to quote Dracula Flow.
This is not, if this was something we were just going to march on in and take it over, the scale of destruction wouldn't be what it is right now.
I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.
I mean, if you put yourself in the mindset of Iran, apparently, the rumor is that there's already been multiple attempts by the Trump administration to reach out to Iran, and Iran basically said no.
So we have no reason to talk and we're not going to talk.
So, I mean, they want to set a precedent basically for ever, right?
It's like they don't want this to happen again.
It's not like they can end it here and then just like it happens again in another six months.
That's that's unacceptable to them.
So if I was Iran, you're kind of just at this point, I don't know.
Like you said, the propaganda is like impossible to sift through because you got one side that is, you know, way out there, the other side that is way out there in the other direction.
The truth's got to be somewhere in the middle.
But this is kind of unlike other conflicts where, and I don't know what makes it different about this, but usually you can go, okay, they're saying this and they're saying this.
The truth is this, right?
It's like, all right, obviously they're trying to spin it this way.
They're trying to spin it this way.
Here's the truth.
But now it's just like you go on the Iranian side of X and you think Tel Aviv is just a smoldering ruin at this point.
It's just hailing, you know, hypersonic missiles.
You go to the American propaganda and you'd think that Iran is just has one dude with a machine gun on a mountain and that's it.
Everything else is gone.
Like, so, you know, it's like, all right, obviously it's not either one of those.
I have no idea what to make of what's happened so far.
One thing that I can't make heads of tails of is the fact they've only said seven people, seven Americans have died so far.
Like, I don't believe that.
I really don't believe that with all of our bases being hit.
But like, I don't know, if America is deliberately lying about their casualties, that's not a good thing.
Well, I retweeted a thing that it was NYPD put out a bulletin that was like, one of our, you know, one of the members of NYPD died of natural causes while deployed in Kuwait.
It was like, really?
He just happened.
He just had a heart attack.
Did he got maybe got spooked by the airstrike and had a heart attack?
I think that they're like Trump by killing the Pope, literally by killing the Pope, Trump initiated a series of events that he can now never take back.
I don't think that they want to come to the table.
I don't think they care.
I think that you could kill enough of them to where it could topple the government and new people could come in.
I don't even know if you can topple the government at this point because if you think about what they're doing with the oil fields, the economic impacts are going to be felt by the average person in Iran.
Like you can already see if you can see the videos of people in line waiting for gas because they know that that's going to be an issue.
Also, oil is their biggest export, which is their economy is already struggling as it is.
So if you hit their major export and what's bringing in revenue, I mean, I don't see how this goes any other way.
I mean, if you listen to the Israelis and the Americans, that is the best case scenario, I guess, for America is that we bomb them to such a degree that they literally cannot recover for a couple of decades and it just dissolves into factionalism and the Kurds massacring everybody and everybody massacring the Kurds back.
That is literally the goal, the aim of the war at this point, as far as I can tell.
That would be best case scenario, I guess.
Now, for Iran, you don't want to stop until you have seriously degraded the American or the Israeli ability to hit you again.
So, you know, we are in like ride the tiger, you know, era right now.
Trump has done things that he cannot take back and the ball is rolling.
And Iran has lashed out to such a degree that like they have to keep going.
They can't stop now.
They can't just half-heartedly, you know, destroy most of our radar bases, but not all of them.
Like, they got to keep going.
I think I have a pretty, I think we all have a pretty good idea of how this went down.
I don't think that the suppositions are all that off the mark of Trump thought this would be a 48-hour thing.
He thought we'll kill the leadership, and then we'll kill the next round of leadership.
And then that third round of leadership will be so terrified that they'll work with us or just be weak enough that we can bully them.
I think he thought 48 hours in, 72 hours in, he'd be given a press conference going, the new leadership of Iran has agreed to meet us.
And there's actually, and that obviously this is all being manipulated by Israel.
And there's rumors that like, and it may have even been, it's being presented as if this was like a chess move by Khomeini.
I don't know if it was, but in the building with him, or at least like they died also in the same strike, was like the less radical, more friendly people that I think America planned on having take over.
And it would be very useful to have a, you know, a horde of ISIS terrorists descend from the north onto Lebanon.
So I think that that might be happening soon.
Yeah, no, I, I mean, I don't know what the plan was or if there even was one.
I definitely don't think you know anyone other than a hardliner is going to get anywhere near power in Iran at this point.
I mean, it's we're bombing hospitals, we're bombing schools.
I mean, yesterday on Friday, we had bombed 13 hospitals.
I don't know how many more we bombed this weekend, but like the people are not going to be okay with anybody who is.
I've even seen stuff that was Iranian militia groups like that were anti-government and that for like decades have been fighting against the Iranian government.
And they're putting out messages going, We pledge our guns to the Republican Guard.
You know, we fought against you before, but now we must unite against our enemy.
So, like, and I, and I'm almost certainly positive that that was real.
Like, that wasn't a propaganda thing.
It was literally like, they aren't the Kurds, but it was a group like the Kurds, you know, the whatever Azerbaijani, Kurdish, Iranian separatist group that was just like, actually, we like Iran.
Actually, we've seen what these other people are like.
We're on your side now.
So, yeah, that's, I don't know, dude.
It's just not happening.
And you got to just wonder, I mean, I think this may have been the biggest mistake of all time.
But one thing I will say is that, like, okay, I think the United States knows that regime change is much harder.
I think the bigger play here is they just want to pretty much eradicate most of the military presence of Hezbollah and Iran and the power that they had prior to.
So, I mean, this now gives Israel the justification and the excuse to go and wipe out most of Hezbollah's military so that they don't have to invade Lebanon.
That's why in this weird way, and I don't think it was intentional, but like we might, you know, America might have to pull out of the Middle East after this.
Again, I don't think, I genuinely do not think Trump is playing 5D chess in this case, but it's almost like, I don't know, who's suffering the most from this?
The Israelis are getting bombed to smithereens and fleeing their country and they can't because their airport's getting hit.
And like American military in the Middle East.
our assets, which are expensive, and we paid for those and I'm not happy that they got destroyed.
But maybe we'll not rebuild them after this.
Maybe we'll decide it's better not to do things overseas.
It's kind of a terrifying prospect because it's more or less America being brought low, but it's, you know, could be a silver lining to this cloud.
Look, you know, this has been a long story when it comes to Iran.
And back during the Obama administration, the Israelis were pushing President Obama to take military action against Iran and were warning that they would do it themselves if he didn't.
And he wouldn't because he thought the better way to get at the nuclear program, which is what we were focused on, was through very muscular diplomacy backed up by very, very strong sanctions that we rallied the world to put in place.
Well, it seems so this is about building this timeline, right?
And understanding that just every president gets pressured by Israel and also blackmailed by Israel, right?
They'll say, you have to join us in this or we'll do it ourselves and your guys will get hit.
So it sounds like they did the same thing to Obama, but they did it to Trump and Trump fell for it.
They got Trump.
Obama said no, sort of called their bluff.
Obviously, they didn't launch the attack that they thought they were, you know, said they were going to.
It sounds like Trump kind of fell for it.
So again, yeah, it sounds like Trump is surrounded by Israel operatives who are feeding him Israeli intelligence and telling him things that aren't true.
He's believing him and making decisions based off this.
And it sucks.
But yeah, I think they sort of pumped him up under Vietnam.
I can't remember who I was listening to.
Somebody was talking about and put it really well.
It may have been John Kiriaku, but basically saying like, you know, so many times people have told Trump, you can't do this.
It's impossible.
He does it and it works out amazingly.
Like that happens over and over and over.
And the latest is probably Venezuela.
Like the idea, you're going to go in and capture Maduro and not lose a single person.
Like that's impossible.
It goes off better than he even expected.
Like it works perfectly.
We don't lose a single person or a single piece of equipment.
Like, okay, we see when there are protests in Iran, they kill a lot of people of their own to suppress them.
In the opposite case, you see Israel, they have protests.
They're not killing people by the thousand.
Do you think that Iran hasn't been able to do that on a wider scale because they don't have the power?
Like, there's some darkness to Iran as well that people are not realizing because they don't really cover the things that are happening to the Iranian people.
Not just that, but sort of the biggest thing before October 7th was this big Palestinian march for peace, which was a big protest that the Israelis just shot up and massacred a bunch of people.
And, you know, there are also videos going around.
You know, Israel does not allow anti-war protests.
There's a bunch of videos going around of people trying to have anti-war protests.
And usually the gathering is really pathetically small.
It's like six people try to get together to protest and they're just surrounded by like 30 cops who just haul them away.
So, you know, Israel isn't exactly like an open democracy either, as much as they claim to be.
I mean, I think what I heard was that that 30,000 number literally came from like some estimate that was then multiplied by 10 on the assumption that they would only have told us about one out of 10.
So I think that number is completely made up, like just flagrantly made up.
But either, what I'm trying to say is, is that like, okay, I can understand why people are like, well, I'd rather have Iran because they're seeing an underdog situation to where somebody is clobbering them over the head.
But fundamentally, if I look at how Iran is structured and how their government runs and what they do, you know, it's very heavily based off of religious aspects of the Quran and all of those things.
We wouldn't want that on a wide scale throughout that region.
I mean, I would say, like, I agree with you that a lot of the way Iran acts, like, I wouldn't want to stand forward here.
Like, if people here start doing that, I wouldn't like it.
You know, but it's the same thing with Bashir al-Assad.
And it's like Bashir al-Assad gets kicked out and who comes in?
It's Jolani.
And he starts massacring all of the little people.
And it's like, we know that Iran has real protest, right?
But that's also because of the economic condition that we created and that the Treasury Secretary Scott Besant like brags about and talks about how specifically he used a very sophisticated economic warfare model against Iran and says, now you see the results, all these people out, you know, protesting on the street.
So, you know, if you're Iran and you're under this economic warfare causing pain to your people, and you have Mossad agents and CIA agents going in with, you know, Starlink terminals and automatic weapons and not just leading protests, but then causing them to become violent, you know, you put them in a pretty difficult spot.
And I don't know how many people were killed, but I would wonder how many of those were literally agents of Israel in America.
Again, I don't even think that's questioned at this point.
I think basically you have people from the CIA and others saying, yeah, we were in there.
We were helping them out, right?
We were assisting the freedom fighters.
You were organizing protests and then firing on the security forces, hoping they would fire back.
And so, you know, it's like, all right, you know, I have trouble saying that Iran is this like horrible, you know, theocracy when it's like, are they that way out of self-defense?
Because if they weren't that way, if they tried to liberalize, isn't that just inviting in George Soros and the color revolution and the, you know, the overthrow and dispossession of your people?
Like they kind of have to be hardlined because of the way that we treat them in a lot of ways.
Again, not saying that I'm in favor of it or even condoning it, but from their perspective, you have to admit, there's a logic to it that's not born from religious fanaticism.
Well, so it's a little difficult because, you know, if you look at the 70s when the Shah was in power, Iran was actually moving in the right direction.
The problem was the corruption.
They were just paying the money out, not to the people, but to everywhere else.
They actually could have done pretty well integrating into whatever society while having their own base.
That was the problem fundamentally, right?
But then, again, like I, like Iran and Israel, they both have evil to them.
I'm not going to sit here and like be like, Israel is the best.
Like, no, I mean, I'm just looking at it like a lesser of two evils where a lot of the stuff that we take for granted here, like the freedoms that we have and expression, I mean, they're going to kill you in Iran.
Like, you, we can't even be critical about, we wouldn't be able to be critical about, you know, Khomeini the way that we are critical about Trump.
Like, you're dead.
They're shooting you right on the spot.
Secret police, all these different things.
Like, they're not good for the average person.
And the problem is, is that I don't think Israel is the solution.
It's definitely something else.
And it just so happens that Israel is just one of the biggest regional powers within that area.
But I'm just going to say, like, if Iran was left unchecked after all of these years and were able to gain all of the power that they could have gained, I don't think it would be a very good outcome for the Middle East as well.
To be fair to the point that you're making, Tim, if we look at it from the interest of Israel, of course, Israel wants to get bigger and have more land and have more power and have more reach.
Like that, just it's what any country would want to do.
And I don't even think that their goals are that illogical, even if they are evil.
Whereas you look at a country like the U.S. and our involvement in this situation, the thing I'm thinking about when you guys are discussing this is like, we're thousands of miles away from these people.
Why are we involved in any of this?
Why do we have to be over there?
Why are we mediating and dictating and trying to rule the situation?
It's because there is a large proportion of the voting population, the older boomers that believe in some sort of biblical Israel.
You know, and they have to serve it and worship it and bless it and they will be blessed and curse it and they will be cursed.
And I see these videos of John Hagee, that pastor down in San Antonio, and he's like, and the people of America are not as good as the people of Israel and just stuff like that.
And you have, you know, like 20,000 people in the audience, you know, and like, God knows how many people watching on TV.
And you're like, well, this doesn't even make political sense.
This isn't even for, we're going to use Israel to take all the oil and America will be the most prosperous nation in the world for a thousand years.
At least that would be like empire building, resource management, like whatever, right?
This is, it's for a stated theological biblical goal.
And that's why for me, the whole Iran thing is like, of course, we don't want to live over there.
Of course, we think the government is horrible.
Of course, we don't like the supreme leader.
But at the end of the day, if that's an evil theocracy that cannot exist, then what are we doing?
I'd also say, again, if that is the litmus test that you're going to give to Middle Eastern countries, most of them fail.
I mean, Saudi Arabia and Qatar are not exactly, you know, beacons of freedom and love either, but we seem fine, you know, working with them, you know, to a very large degree.
I mean, but again, think about what we know about the Middle East over the last 30 years or so.
And Iran has not been the source of the problems at all, pretty much.
Most of it's been focused on destroying Iran.
So, you know, you can go back to 2001 and General Wesley Clark saying five countries in seven years.
Like, again, you know, the globalists are not all powerful.
The Zionists are not the supreme puppet masters where everything goes their way.
They try things.
It fails.
They try different things.
Like, if they had succeeded in 2001 of the five seven countries in five years and gotten all the way to Iran and toppled them, maybe you would have seen a migrant crisis ensuing after then, or maybe the migrant crisis was something that came about 10 years later on its own volition.
But you've got them pushing for this rapid fire series of dominoes in 2001.
I think that plan kind of runs into Hezbollah in 2006, because in 2006, Israel tried to invade Lebanon and failed, and everything kind of reset from then.
And there was sort of a period of tenuous peace for a little while while they figured everything out.
So, and then you hear Obama being pressured.
So it's like from George Bush to Obama to Trump to Biden.
It's like the Israelis are constantly, how are we getting to war with Iran?
How are we getting to war with Iran?
And they hadn't been able to achieve it yet.
Then October 7th was like the initiation of the final operation where it was like, fuck it.
We're going to burn everything down in order to get to Iran and we're going to get to Iran no matter what.
And so that's, they've been doing that for the last two and a half years.
And like to them, they have gambled everything.
They've gambled their reputation overseas, which is an existential thing for them because they know the younger people in America don't like Israel and are not going to be easily swayed back to Israel's side.
So if they don't get Iran now and become the hegemonic power over the Middle East, then they'll have Iran still as a major enemy.
They'll have gained like Gaza, I guess, like well done.
You know, so they'll have gained a 25 square mile strip of land and sacrificed the future of their country because they're going to start getting cut off from America's teeth after a little while.
And that's not going to be good.
So they have gambled everything.
They've already gone all in on this.
They had to get Iran right now.
So they had to do whatever they possibly could do to get it.
So, you know, it's like Iran or Israel being in charge.
I mean, we've had Israel in charge for 30 years and their influence has just been to push perpetual war, constant war, always with the goal eventually of destroying Iran, as Iran is the primary opposition to them, right?
And I look at these things and I'm like, okay, well, what's how, how do these things even happen?
How are we in this negative feedback loop?
And it always comes back to the same thing for me.
It all comes back to, you know, 1948, the 1940s, the whole situation where, you know, Britain steps away and the UN, they try to arbitrarily cut up the area of Palestine.
And, and, you know, the Israelis were wrong in how they did that.
Like, bar none.
I mean, they took more land than they were supposed to.
The Muslims didn't actually fully agree with that.
And then from there, they set this negative feedback loop in which the Muslim countries around were like, hey, that is not your land.
I mean, the Nakba happened, all those different things.
So then they feel the pressure of these outside forces like Jordan, you know, Lebanon, Egypt.
Then Iran eventually gets into the party.
And then Iran over time becomes the biggest threat because the Muslim countries have not forgotten all of the things that have happened in that region.
And it's just a back and forth.
You know, each person is throwing blow for blow.
And I think, you know, so many people are far removed from the original source of the problems that happened 70 years ago.
That region has been conquered and reconquered over and over again.
I mean, the Muslims weren't even the first ones there.
You had the Ottoman Empire.
You had Romans were in that region.
Like that is one of the most disputed regions.
And so now Israel is trying to kind of carve itself out to where we're not going anywhere.
And these Muslim countries would rather not have Israel there at the end of the day.
And this is the problem with like inhumane expulsion of people groups, right?
You kick people out of Palestine.
Where do they go?
Lebanon, they create the PLO, factionalism and strife there causes the civil war, which eventually leads to Hezbollah.
Like it is all downstream from that.
But it's not like, you know, it's not like, oh, they like haven't forgotten.
It's like, how do you get peace when it's like, okay, after the first big push in the Nakba, you know, if Israel is supposed to say, okay, guys, we want to be peaceful.
Like that was a mistake.
Like, even if they wanted to like apologize for it, it's like, okay, well, you're still on our land.
So get off.
So, you know, you can't, like, you can't, unless you actually want to surrender, in which case, you got to fight another war.
So it is in this like feedback loop of retribution ever since 1948.
But before then, it really wasn't a contentious place for like, I think like, I think the Ottomans occupied that whole area for like 1600 years or something insane.
I mean, it was Christian and then the Muslims conquered it.
And then the Ottoman Empire, basically, it was just a backwater sort of frontier area of the Ottoman Empire for like, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years until the British and French showed up and wanted to like partition it.
But, you know, I think that's always kind of a misconception when people are like, well, they people have been fighting over this for thousands of years.
It's like, not really.
I mean, they fought for it thousands of years ago.
And then, you know, but for the whole of the 1800s and most of the 1900s, it was actually, or like the first half of the 1900s, it wasn't that bad.
It was only once the Balfour Declaration put it up for grabs that.
That's why I put the UK and, you know, France at the forefront of this entire mess instead of the UK actually sticking through it and figuring out the colonialist mindset is like, well, we don't really care because they took that region from the Ottoman Empire, right?
Because they've conquered that and they made a mess out of it.
And then they didn't think about the long-term implications and they were just making tactical decisions.
And they felt like, you know what?
We can promise land to two different people, get them to be like, okay, yeah, you guys can have this land and then step away and be like, yeah, you guys can actually fight over it.
And that is the worst part to me.
And no one gives the UK and the colonialists, what they did, enough of the scrutiny when it comes to these conflicts.
And we just look at it like the Muslims versus Palestinians versus the Israelis.
Well, there's a lot of terrorism that went on in Europe, especially in the 1950s and the period just after Israel's creation relating to getting, you know, European Jews or Jews that lived in other places other than Palestine or Israel to move there.
And there's kind of this culture that's been created.
And really, what I took away from what y'all were just talking about is really what Israel is, is an extension of the West.
Like that's what it is.
It's our outpost there.
It's our aircraft carrier, as they call it, right?
So the people in that region, even if they view the people of Israel as different from the people of the West in general, they still view that as an extension of us and our power and our influence.
Well, and, you know, the history of how the British were involved is kind of a, kind of an important lesson, I think, right now for what happened.
Because basically, you had the British were used as the sledgehammer, right?
They were used as the broom to sweep people away.
And this was done through leverage from, you know, the Rothschilds.
And the Rothschilds had already bought a bunch of land.
They had started the Zionist Project in the late 1800s.
Britain in World War I was basically convinced to try to partition the Middle East.
And even that, it was like seriously hampering the British war aims because they were getting hammered on the French front, but were like taking assets away to send to the Middle East, even though it was an actual important theater.
It was all in line with this like globalist plan.
And so, you know, then the Rothschilds use their influence in America and say, hey, we can get America into this war on the side of Britain.
You just have to help us get land for the Jews in Palestine.
So it was a grubby deal that got made in which Britain would be the military force that would clear out the area so that a Jewish state could be established.
And it was only when the British started pushing back on some of the Jewish settlers that had arrived and started trying to limit them and actually started trying to contain the limits of the mandate that they were operating, then the Israelis started the terrorist campaigns, the King David Hotel and all of these things to drive out the British.
And the British basically just went, we're washing our hands of the whole situation and didn't want to waste our, you know, the British.
So, you know, that's important to understand is that that seems to be, in my opinion, what's happening with America here is that we'll be used as the broom.
We will be used as the military power to help clear the land.
But when once that happens and we're no longer needed, it'll be terrorist attacks and false flags against us to drive us out of the region so that the rightful owners can take it over.
So then, you know, I try to also think about this.
Like, what's the solution?
Because first of all, you know, you're not going to kick the Israelis out of the land.
I mean, it's pretty much an established part of land that everybody has to accept that the fact that even the Muslims have to accept the fact that it is what it is.
It's been conquered, you know, just like America came in and conquered America.
Because the Israelis aren't just like, they're not like, we want to occupy Iran.
That's not what it is.
And it's not necessarily that they want to occupy like some of the other regions.
Like they leave Jordan alone.
I think the major thing is, is like I said, that negative feedback loop where, you know, Iran and a lot of the proxies have constantly been like, we hate you guys.
You guys have not let this region go.
And all the stuff that happens in the West Bank and Gaza also incite and refuel that hatred.
And it's a constant like, so is it like, okay, Iran, Lebanon, they step away, they let things be, and then you let Israel be like, how do we get to a point where it just, that region becomes peaceful?
Because it's not going to be conquering after conquering.
Like Israel's not going to be able to conquer that whole region.
No, I think it's about, I mean, there's two methods that they have.
There's either sort of what they do in the West Bank and what they do in Gaza, which is where they're in charge basically, but it's not Jewish people there, or they quote unquote Judaize a place where they say, and their words are: first they sterilize a place by wiping everybody out there, and then they re-Judaize it by having nothing but Jews live there.
So, you know, I think they could do either one and or a combination of the both.
But no, the Greater Israel Project is a, well, it's also in part ways, I think it's a red herring because I think the ultimate goal is to use the prophecies of the Abrahamic religions, obviously, bring forth the Antichrist, have sort of the pro-Antichrist factions of the Abrahamic faiths all fold into this one sort of ecumenism.
But at the end of the day, it's about having the state of Israel as a capital of the global government in the same way that Washington, D.C. is the capital of America.
So imagine just Washington, D.C., but everybody there is Jewish and it's the Jewish capital, but it rules the rest of the country like Washington, D.C. does right now.
That, but on a world scale, I think is the ultimate goal.
It is, but, you know, they also print money out of thin air.
So, you know, they're not actually the resources matter.
The natural resources do matter to a certain degree.
But I don't think they matter as much as other things matter to these people.
Because my whole thing, I think I retweeted either that video with Lindsey Graham or a different one where he specifically is talking about how much money we're going to make.
And that one he said, you know, we're going to be so prosperous or something.
But it's like, who's the we in that sentence?
I'm not going to make any money from this.
You're not going to make any money from this.
Our lives are only going to get worse.
Everything we buy is only going to get more expensive.
And so to me, it's like, all right, if they actually were that concerned about like the encroachment of China, it's like, but why, though?
But why?
Like, because they care about the American people.
I don't think they care about the American people.
I think if they cared about the American people, they'd be focused a hell of a lot more on the things collapsing in my country and affecting me right now.
Like I think I retweeted that Lindsey Graham video and like, you know, this elementary school near my house teaches class in Pashtun because there are more Afghan refugees than American children who go there.
The homeless camp on my corner regularly catches on fire.
And like, you know, what other, and, you know, gas is about to hit $4 a gallon.
It's like, okay, they can go do all of this stuff and predicate it on, you know, what's, what's best for America, American power.
But it's like, to what end at the end of the day, we are being destroyed.
We are on a trajectory for absolute collapse and failure.
And it seems like the only thing happening right now is the elite class who is avoiding the negative consequences of their action is just like gathering power to themselves while simultaneously crushing people in America.
So I don't know, man.
To me, the international stuff is largely meaningless because no matter what we benefit from it, we are not the ones benefiting.
Like I went off on this on Friday, too, because the idea of like the American Empire, I love.
I get why it's engrossing and why people like to pretend that it's who we are.
There's a video of Kai Trump, right?
Donald Trump's granddaughter with helicopters, with the helicopters, and she's filming herself like a teenage girl would do, like at a concert or something.
Only behind her are these V22 Osprey dual rotor military helicopters.
And it was like, but to me, like the image is perfect.
It's amazing.
It's like an American princess gallivanting around the world with a bodyguard of gunships.
And it's like, yes, American power, but it's all just spoiled and rotten by the fact that we don't benefit any of it.
They're talking about the potential, the possibility, not saying it will happen, not being a sensationalist here, but they're saying that a draft, you know, President Trump, he likes to keep all his options open.
Yeah, no, there is literally no argument for a long-term gain.
So that makes the whole thing even funnier.
But you know why they're saying short-term gain right now, right?
Because it hasn't lasted that long.
Like it went from there's going to be no pain at all, which only works until the pain starts.
And then it's got to be short-term pain, which can last for a while until it's ridiculous for you to say short-term pain.
And then you need to come up with another phrase to justify why things are still not going well.
And again, I think like that alone, that admission that, oh, well, there is going to be short-term pain, they're trying to downplay it as if that's expected and understood and a small price to pay for something longer.
But like you need, we need to remind them, like we're not goldfish.
It was literally five days ago that you were saying that there would be no pain, that this would be an easy problem.
The admission that there's it's not going so well is actually a pretty big admission that's not going to go well.
And they have no idea how long it's going to last.
I know they don't know because they didn't know there was going to be pain in the first place.
So their prognosis is invaluable in the first place or completely non-valuable in the first place.
So it's like, again, this is all kind of obvious, which is why it's also obvious that it's on purpose.
Like I saw a post today, you know, a big headline.
I think it was the New York Times saying like they're this the response from Iran was bigger than they expected.
You know, American war planners did not expect for them to be able to respond like this.
And it's like, well, I expected it for some reason.
How did how did I expect it?
But they didn't.
It's literally a ridiculous question.
They obviously knew how it was going to go.
They knew how it was going to go and they did it on purpose.
No, no, I'm in favor of the draft because right now, Americans don't give a shit about the war because it doesn't affect them.
As soon as you start drafting their sons and daughters, they're going to find out what's going on with the war real fucking fast, and it is not going to go well for the government.
This ain't Vietnam.
I got to remember, the thing that made the draft work wasn't the threat of punishment.
Like, there were people that were willing to go to prison.
You could go to Canada.
You could go to Mexico.
You could like fake it.
It was social shame.
It was the dishonor that you would feel knowing that your neighbor was sent, but you didn't go.
Like, that was a holdover.
That was a holdover from the previous generations.
We don't feel that anymore.
The only way to get people to, you know, join the draft now is like do what Ukraine does and literally like kidnap them.
Just like be like, we'll punish not just you, but your family if you try to flee.
But like, that's why I sort of sarcastically say I'm in favor of the draft because they're never going to institute the draft.
The instant they institute the draft, all they're doing in people's minds is telling them, you're either fighting us or you're fighting for us.
And people will go, all right, I'm fighting you, motherfucker.
Come get me.
Like the American government does not want to put that dichotomy out there for people to go, either sacrifice your son for Israel or else you're an anti-American person that hates the government.
People are like, okay, then I'm that.
I'm that thing.
I'm that second thing.
I hate you.
I'm not fighting for you.
If you are going to, if I'm going to waste my life fighting somebody, it's going to be you in DC.
And they make it nothing to do with the military, what it's actually like, because now you have social media.
Now we have people with anecdotal experience.
And every single person that I have ever talked to or people who are in my family or friends, they all come out like on 100% disability with like broken backs and like messed up psychology because they have to brainwash you into like being a serial killer.
And President Trump wisely does not remove options off of the table.
I know a lot of politicians like to do that quickly, but the president, as commander-in-chief, wants to continue to assess the success of this military operation.
It's not part of the current plan right now, but the president, again, wisely keeps his options on the table.
I don't think the American people are going to be like the Ukrainian people and allow themselves to be thrown into vans.
Like, I think the instant that starts happening at all, which is why it's important that free speech exists, that people be able to share, that that's what's going on, so that we can communicate and organize.
I think they launched this too soon.
I think they launched the whole thing a little bit too soon.
But they were going in a negative trajectory anyway.
So they're sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place.
But yeah, I don't think there's any possibility that a draft is going to be summoned at any point.
And I think really as Americans, like we should be protesting, we should be marching and we should be demanding not just an end to the war against Iran, but we have to get the Israeli influence out of our government.
Like we have to purge the Israeli influence out of our government so this doesn't happen again.
So we don't have to deal with this all the time, this foreign influence trying to get us into wars overseas.
I do think we need to be mobilizing and taking action and joining with people on the left and going, let's get rid of Israel and our government and then we'll settle everything else.
Then we'll decide, you know, the course America takes.
But this war has been catastrophic.
And one outcome that has to be sought and driven for by us has to be the expulsion of Israeli influence in our government.
What does that have to do with the people in our Congress and our Senate and our executive branch that get their campaigns funded with tens or hundreds of millions of dollars in the case of Trump and some other people?
We're expending tens of billions of dollars of our munitions, our bases, our resources, our energy to defend this country in a war of aggression that they started.
I'm talking about the Israeli group, and I think we need to get them out.
So, you know, the other groups are a different story, the Israeli groups.
And I think that like now has to be the time that this happens because previously you could either argue that, well, they're not actually Israeli.
They're Americans.
They just like sort of support Israel.
But like that's, that can't fly anymore.
Israel's gotten us into this war.
It's been admitted over and over, as we just played earlier in the show, by Trump himself.
And that was after Marco Rubio had said it.
And by the way, Trump's statement was worse.
Marco Rubio said we had to do it because Israel was going to attack, in which case Iran would have attacked us and we wanted to minimize our casualties.
Trump said we had to do it or else they would have attacked Israel and like might have gotten us also.
Totally crazy.
So, you know, it's like where previously there was either the defense of, well, they're just Americans.
They're just, you know, you know, they can't support their ethnicity or Israel is our ally.
So like, what's the problem with like supporting our ally?
We do all sorts of stuff for our ally.
This would just be another one of them.
I think now like we have to say like Israel is not an ally.
It's actually an enemy, in which case anybody who's Israeli American, like you got to pick a side.
You're us or them.
I mean, think about the fact that like, you know, Russia might be one of these big groups, but when the Ukraine war in Russia first broke out, I mean, they were banning Russia from the Olympics and like they were like burning down Russian themed restaurants in New York City.
So yeah, I think, I think that they are powerful.
They are, you know, very large, which is why like right now has to be the time where, I mean, take the ADL, for example.
They can say whatever they want.
Jonathan Greenblatt's always saying that he's not Israeli, he's American, but like he's Israel.
He goes to Israel, he talks to the Knesset and uses the pronoun we, like he is Israeli.
So, you know, the key here is just going, is just going by their actions and going by their, you know, support and past behavior, not what they say.
And he's just like, all right, look, the ADL is an enemy operation, is a foreign government.
And again, I think everybody can understand this.
Everybody can understand that replace the word Israel with any other country.
It's about foreign influence and getting foreign influence out of our decision-making process because it leads to dead Americans and the impoverishment of America.
That's something we can all come together on.
And I don't care if it's the ADL or APAC or, you know, stop anti-Semitism.
They need to be investigated.
And if they're in contact with the government of Israel, they need to be shut down, not registered as a foreign agent, but like shut down because of this pernicious influence.
And that was, you literally started getting into my main argument that I was going to make there.
Like the Israel part, 100%.
And it needs to be dealt with.
I was going to lump all of the interest groups because, you know, we get these giant Boeing jets as a favor, right?
For Trump to fly around, but really it's paying for influence.
The Israelis do these things where they've got the PAC money and they come in.
Every single interest group does something for their particular region and they don't tie it back to, well, is this going to benefit the average person or the average American?
It is all for the benefit of their country specifically.
And it may not even be their people, right?
It might just be the same situation we have here where it's like the wealthy and the people who are the elites and the ones that are making the decisions.
It's the same equivalency in some of these other countries and their people, they also suffer.
So I think this is a dichotomy of, like I said, have yachts and have nots where, you know, the average person in all of these countries are getting screwed over and there's no visibility to what's happening inside of these rooms.
And they all got to go.
It's as simple as that for me.
Like that's why I don't sit there and be like, well, it's just the Israelis.
I like to call everybody out because I see so much influence coming from MBS and all the things that are happening there.
And I'm like, dude, what do you have to do in order to like building giant skyscrapers?
And it's in that case, it's not even just about foreign influence.
It's just about moneyed interests, you know, taking over.
And especially when you can have, you know, because then you're talking about a holistic reorganization of the government, because then you have things like, you know, the Medicare, you know, Medicare scams, frauds in Somalia and stuff, where it's like, okay, you bring in this population.
They get elected to a government.
They turn around and give a $200 million contract to somebody who funnels an extra million dollars back to them.
I mean, that is certainly destroying us and ripping us, you know, from the inside out.
I just think right now is just sort of a very unique opportunity to strike at the heart of Israeli influence specifically in our country, which dictates a lot.
And a lot of the downstream things we complain about are downstream of the Israeli influence being either a negative influence on the path of the American government or simply as distracting the American government for not doing what they should be doing for the American people and uplifting us first and foremost.
By the way, if y'all want to know anything about the Middle East, just search Lebanon John on my X account, or I mean, follow him at Lebanon underscore John, I think, or go to banned.video and search Lebanon John because, like, dude, he knows more about the Middle East than anybody and just calls everything like years before it happens.
It's crazy.
So, definitely, definitely be following him right now, especially when everything when it comes to Lebanon is going so crazy.
It's been a really phenomenal time here on the gray area.
We've really developed as a show.
I've really enjoyed the development of the deep dive as a segment because originally it was something where, you know, it was real like wide spectrum analysis, but now we've kind of been zooming in on causational stuff, things that have caused the world that we live in today or, you know, deep factors.
So it is a little bit complicated, but also simple at the same time.
I'm going to cover how the sleeper cell organization works and if there's any validity to it and specifically like how that process works.
How does somebody become an agent?
What does it look like?
How are they doing contacts?
And then I kind of went through the rabbit hole and then it kind of got into the weeds where I was like, okay, well, we have to catch, we often catch these people a lot of the time.
And then it started making me think about like the Kyle Serafin stuff and how the surveillance works and the government and how are we catching people.
And I was like, I want to walk through a hypothetical situation.
Like, what would it take for me to go from just being a regular person here to where like the FBI shows up to my door or like the Lord?
So like, I went through an entire process to break this down for you guys of like how they actually monitor you, what takes you from like level like zero, essentially, to like level 10, where they're like, okay, we got to take this guy out.
And so here's the part most people don't understand or misunderstand is despite the movie suggest major investigations over the last two decades have not uncovered large networks of dormant sleeper agents inside of the United States.
We do a pretty good job of investigating and, you know, but intelligence agents.
But intelligence agencies still study the concept very closely because sleeper agents do exist.
We're not going to say that they don't.
Like there is very clear evidence that they do exist.
But again, it's very hard when they are lying dormant.
So let's go ahead.
I want to show a video of somebody.
His name is, you know, this, we're not playing this one, Wes.
He's the most unlikely linchpin of an alleged Iranian plot to kill diplomats in the United States.
Mansur Arbabsir was born in Iran, but has lived in the U.S. for more than 30 years.
Prosecutors allege the failed car salesman was recruited by the elite al-Quds force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard to secure the backing of a Mexican drug cartel to carry out an assassination in Washington.
Corpus Christi, the Texas town he called home, he was known as Jack because of his love of whiskey.
People who knew him believe the allegations are ridiculous.
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Somebody need to take care of Jack.
He's just like a baby.
He couldn't do anything himself.
So he would put socks, wrong foot, different colors.
The picture that's emerging of Jack, as he was known when he lived here, is someone who was more interested in money than politics.
Someone who could never organize anything on the scale suggested by the government.
In the official federal complaint, it's revealed that the suggestion to target the Saudi ambassador to the U.S. came from the federal informant and not Arbab Sierr.
I mean, so, like, you know, it was very hard to find, you know, an instance of like any of a sleeper cell agent who actually like committed a specific crime.
And, you know, it's very hard to prove that these people exist.
But this one was a pretty clear circumstance where this guy had, you know, been in the United States for a certain amount of time and people didn't know who he was.
They were like, that's just Joe down the street.
He's not innocent.
He wouldn't do anything.
So now we got to understand how Iran built its covert network because Iran's modern strategy, it began in 1979.
And go ahead and pull up that image of the Kuds Force.
So if you look at these guys, basically, the regime created this, you know, the IRGC, right?
And that's the Islamic Revolution Guard Corps.
And then soon after they were formed, they had an operations unit called the Kurds Force or something like that.
I think that it's QUDS, right?
I think that's how it's pronounced, right?
So its job was basically to expand Iran's influence outside of its borders.
And then Iran understood early that it couldn't defeat countries like the United States through direct military war.
So it invested in like an asymmetric asymmetric type of 100%.
And this means that it's like using covert networks, proxy groups, intelligence operations instead of like large armies.
And basically, these networks include intelligence operators.
You've got proxy organizations like Hezbollah logistics and networks oversea.
And, you know, many of the people involved aren't even Iranian citizens, which is the crazy part.
And so let's go ahead and I think I have a picture of the proxy group there.
Go ahead and pull that up.
I think that'll kind of give some context here to show you guys kind of how they're, I mean, it's kind of crumbled a little bit with what the United States and what Israel have done.
And obviously, it's very hard to actually get down to the truth and understand what's really the case because again, are you going to really reveal your secrets?
But we can kind of work around and work backwards to kind of how these situations play out.
But sleep regions typically are activated during major geopolitical events like the one we currently are in or retaliation operations or political crises.
But the way that they receive instructions is actually pretty simple often.
Like movies show spy networks that, you know, use advanced technology, but real intelligence networks often do the opposite.
They communicate as little as possible, right?
So sometimes years pass with no contact at all.
And then when communication does happen, it can be very low tech.
Go ahead and pull up that website that I showed that I have that shows the history of the Cold War and some of the other aspects of how they were reaching out to their.
You know their, their sleeper cells, because this is going to be pretty cool, uh.
But like historically, spies have used these things like code phrases, hidden message signals placed inside public broadcast.
Uh, you've got instructions passed through, you know intermediaries and you've got like, there's a lot of different ways.
But yeah, get that pulled up.
Um, i'm gonna see if I can actually pull up this other thing as well.
We're gonna read some of these dead drop it's, it's the first one on there yeah okay, so let's scroll down a little bit and put this, so keep scrolling, keep scrolling, keep scrolling.
Let's go to the first one here.
So like, it just looks like a regular mailbox, you know, and a signpost should be discrete, but it's quickly removable and uh it, it and it basically can be.
You know something that people won't notice.
But if you go and scroll down just a little bit yeah, you see that little red X in the top right corner.
So this was framed during the Cold War and chalk marks often on public mailboxes and this is similar here.
But basically this was a drop point, basically for somebody to go and pick up a piece of information.
This was something that happened in 1985.
They use something like this, keep scrolling down.
Let's look at the window situation here going on.
This is another example.
You just look at a regular window here.
You're like there's nothing you know suspicious about this house, and then you see a little red dot in the corner.
You know so.
Like, this is another way.
They get even crazier than this.
Like, keep scrolling down this pen situation.
I don't know what this is but uh, it's a drop spike that can be loaded with a.
So, like, these are different ways that you could get a dead drop in order to communicate with, you know, your Iranian or your at-home base if you're a sleeper agent.
Well, and here's the thing: I'll back you up a little bit.
People want to say that, like, oh, like it's all like Mossad is the only thing that exists in the Middle East.
That's the only intelligence agency.
If you think about it, just from the Russia-Ukraine example, the Ukrainians are the second best military in Europe, not by any like virtue of their own, but because they've had to fight the best military in Europe, which is Russia, right?
So, if you, if you're an intelligence agency, the Iranian one, and you have to contend with the Mossad, you're going to be pretty good.
Well, the reason why that one happened, why they think that, is because there was another guy who got caught and he was planning a similar assassination attempt and he was linked to Iran.
Steve Walder, News Nation National Security Contributor, former staff operations officer for the CIA's counterterrorism center, also formerly with the FBI with us now.
Tracy, good to see you.
Perfect guest for this.
As I watched cable news all day today, it said on the bottom of the screen, does Iran have sleeper cells?
Question mark.
And I thought to myself, it would be more shocking if they didn't have people that they'd infiltrated over the southern border in the past four years than if they did.
And now here's the part that people get wrong: sleeper cells are far fewer than the movies suggest.
So even after decades of counterterrorism investigations, most intelligence agencies have not uncovered large numbers of dormant sleeper agents inside of the United States.
And many of the sleeper networks that were created were never activated at all.
So they sit quietly for years, sometimes decades.
They exist as a strategic backup, but intelligence agencies still monitor very closely during the political crisis.
And they're very alert at this point, right?
Because if a conflict suddenly escalates, networks were being quietly built over here, this could become an issue very quickly.
You know, they're not everywhere, not every, not all at once, but specific places where there are networks that do exist.
And so that is why you have counterintelligence investigations that often take years.
Now, this gets into where I started to get in the weeds.
I'm like, okay, you know, the sleeper agent thing, I was hoping to find something more juicy there, but I was like, it's they're there, but we don't know what extent.
But then I was like, well, we're always constantly finding people that are trying to create, you know, terrorist acts or situations.
And I'm like, you know, you know how maybe you didn't make this joke with your friends, but I used to be like, well, I'm going to go on your laptop and type on how to make a bomb and have them send the black.
So that's where my mind went was like, okay, well, does there any validity to like, if you actually started doing that, is the FBI going to automatically investigate?
So, you know, Kyle Serafin would have probably been better to go through this specifics, but this is stuff that's publicly available that I was able to stitch together to form a picture.
But of course, the things are like way deeper than what I can go into because why would they put their secrets out on the internet?
So also when you buy something online, that transaction moves through networks and banks.
So you've got encryptment gate logging.
You've got, you know, hashed cars that are scrambling your security.
You've got device fingerprints, your browser, your history, those types of things.
When you fly, your name goes into an airline passenger database.
And so it's called a PNR record and it's basically the airline reservation data.
And the DHS, which is the Department of Homeland Security, mirrors that list, by the way.
So none of this means that anyone's specifically watching you, not trying to freak you guys out, but it does mean that if investigators need to ever understand anything about your life, they can rebuild where you've been,
who you've interacted with, and they basically can subpoena all of that data within your, yeah, within your cell with the heat maps and the tracking where your car is going through those ALPR tracking routes like breadcrumbs.
So they never use, you never see the trail that's left behind.
You just go about your daily life.
So most people don't have to worry about it unless you're doing something crazy online.
Be careful.
You know, while I was doing this research, I was kind of nervous.
I'm like, you know, is the FBI going to like me doing this stuff?
Giving out all these goodies and telling people how to kind of do things the interesting way.
But anyways, now imagine one day you do something that makes the system uncomfortable.
Like maybe you spend too much time near a restricted area taking pictures.
Maybe you ask strange questions about security procedures.
Maybe you end up purchasing something that, you know, triggers a compliance warning within a store system.
Right.
And there's an employee that fills out a report.
It isn't dramatic, but usually in just a short time, usually it's just a short entry within the system.
And so it's like something like individual observed filming entrance checkpoint for an extended period of time or appeared to focus on security Personnel positions.
Like there's things like that, right?
And so that report is shared into a shared reporting system that's used by law enforcement.
And so it's logged in by FBI eGuardian, which is a system they use.
And then the Department of Homeland Security has this thing called a suspicious activity report.
Let's pull that up real quick.
That this is something like, you know, you see something, say something, but this gets clocked in to the system.
CCTV can take screenshots, but the report is routed to a bunch of fusion centers where they're the intelligence hubs where they share information between agencies.
So that was a big thing that we did, especially after 9-11, where we had a lot of agencies that didn't have congruency between all the agencies, like local law enforcement to the town level, all the way up to the federal level.
They didn't have any ability to have the same information, which creates a big problem.
And so they created these centers to basically aggregate all that information.
So let's say like months pass, you move on with your life, but something else unusual happens.
Maybe you send money to someone who's already being investigated or they're already looking at, you know, through like some Swift financial system like, you know, I don't know, Visa, MasterCard, or you get reported over thresholds of the anti-laundering laws.
And there's another possibility.
Maybe you communicate with somebody who's connected to the existing investigation and you're logging.
They're basically emailing, they're looking at your emails with that person, logging the metadata, those types of things.
And so maybe also there's another scenario where there's a security officer somewhere who kind of files a similar report.
Like TSA does something like you see to see something, say something.
That thing exists as well.
But again, it doesn't mean there's more to that story.
So now the analyst is now reviewing the reports.
They notice something strange.
The name appears twice, two reports, same different locations, different days.
And now they're starting to ask simple questions.
They're like, are these events connected?
And then it gets flagged by an AI system like Palantir, which is a very big thing that's coming up.
Let's pull up that article there, Wes, because this is going to be important for us to look at here.
Everyone kind of, even I misunderstood what Palantir really is.
Let's see if we can make this work because it's going to be kind of hard to read this.
So in a Quora QA, early Palantir employee Kevin Simmler explained, At Palantir, we specialize in analysis.
In real world terms, we're building a software platform that enables people to take whatever data is relevant to them and understand it more easily and thoroughly than ever before, using concepts that they already understand.
The first important thing to note is we don't actually do the analysis ourselves.
We don't devise winning trading strategies and we don't catch terrorists.
We write software that enables other people to pull off those feats.
Basically, it helps organize organizations make sense of massive amounts of data in high-stakes environments.
What high-stakes environments are we talking about?
Let's say when we say high-stake environments in the context of Palantir, we are talking about situations and decisions of data that can have major consequences.
So, scroll down.
For example, lives, money, national security.
For example, when COVID-19 hit, Palantir was tapped by the government to help manage vaccine distribution, hospital resource planning, and outbreak tracking.
Scroll down just a little bit.
So, let's use a metaphor.
Here's how I describe it.
Think about a computer without an operating system, no Windows, no Mac, just raw hardware.
It's powerful, but nearly impossible to use effectively without the right interface.
Well, that's the thing is that the data collection that they did over the years, they always say, Well, what are you going to do with all this tracking data?
Why do you need all this info on Americans?
They didn't have the means until now with AI to actually render all the data.
And, of course, like all these things, we had someone in the chat say, like, Thomas Jefferson would be rolling in his grave, or that he would be a shinger.
You're absolutely correct because, like, the founding fathers, they had no way to anticipate a like a large language model.
Now they had no way to anticipate a cell phone.
They had no means to anticipate the crisis in the Middle East over oil.
Like these are these are why we need to re-examine like how our government works and maybe you know add additional protections like a digital bill of rights and other things.
So like when you go through this whole thing and they start asking questions, now someone actually pulls your file right using Palantir.
They run an analysis through databases.
They use tools like the FBI's National Crime Information Center.
You know, your travel history starts appearing from the data points that they got before through like an automatic targeting system that the DHS Traveler Risk Analysis System, they have that vehicle registration.
I mean, they're pulling every single piece of information together.
So they also pull open source information too.
Okay.
So like there's these tools that map public information and connection.
In the time it takes to pour your coffee, a criminal's trail can go cold.
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That's how fast key digital leads can vanish.
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Yeah, so it's not a myth because, you know, back in the day, we had landlines.
And so they were literally wires that run on the ground or wires that run in telephone poles or something.
And so, you know, the old school way, we would have to go out to literally the box at the end of the road and you'd put another wire on top of that, hence the name wiretap.
You'd put an additional wire on top of the one that already exists.
And then you would, you know, you would kind of just steal, if you will, or just take off the data that's coming off that one wire and reroute it back to your office.
We don't have to do that anymore because all the data and the content goes through the cell phone company.
And even the cell phone companies are the ones that run the landlines now, right?
So landlines really aren't landlines in the way that they used to be.
I mean, I guess if there was some reason for us to want to put another listening device inside of a phone, I don't, there may be reasons why you'd want to do that.
So I can see maybe law enforcement getting their hand on that phone and literally putting something inside of it.
But there's no need to do that in terms of your everyday cell phone stuff.
Well, and the problem is, is like, if this ever became like how China uses their surveillance and then they do the whole social credit score, that's where I have a significant problem.
And they start doing those things.
Now, the difference between us and China is we have the democracy, and you can call up your local congressmen and they can actually push for something like this.
Americans wouldn't let this fly.
You know, in China, it's already a totalitarian state, and those things are happening already.
So, they don't really have a choice.
But, all right, let's just start wrapping this up.
So, now the investigation stops being about you.
The investigation starts mapping everybody around you, your contacts, your associates, your travel companions, your financial links.
And then on screen, it starts to look like a web, like we saw on the softwares.
And then the software starts rendering the LED graphs, and lines start connecting to names, and the money moving between accounts.
And there's basically like a chain analysis, even on crypto, they'll be able to do this, right?
So, the phone numbers are connected to other numbers.
And so then it starts getting to a point where sometimes the network reveals something important, like whether you've got subpoena DMs or email threads that are exposing motives.
And then there starts the pressure without warning, right?
So at this stage, you might start to feel like maybe the airport security is taking a little bit longer.
And they put you through this secondary security screening selection, right?
And then there's enhanced screening for you that triggers down pat downs and swabs.
Maybe border agents start asking you questions when you're going out of the country.
Those types of things start happening quietly.
Maybe someone you know actually mentions investigators, contacted them with a knock and they call them knock and talks, where they go in plain clothes and they start asking you questions.
And when vehicles pull up, the unmarked SUVs, that's very, that's a big problem.
And then essentially, the agents walk the door.
They have the tactical vest, the badges, the search warrants, all those different things.
They all add up.
But like, again, there's layers to it.
So, again, we went through from start to finish, but you know, just because they have all this data on you guys does not mean they're actively doing something with it all the time.
Again, it's when you start doing things that draw attention to you, you know, whether you start like looking up specifics on, you know, how does this work or how does we, how do we get the bomb together, all those different things.
And that's pretty much the end of my deep dive.
We started with kind of the Iran situation, sleeper cells, and then I just wanted to understand: okay, what does it even look like with all the data, with all the information?
How are they tracking me?
How are they, what are they doing with that information?
And that's pretty much why I came to the conclusion after researching.
And I spent a lot of time researching.
It is painted out a little bit darker than what we actually say in certain aspects.
That's kind of where like when I really went through the specifics.
And it wasn't just like, you know, chat GPT propaganda.
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They just like, okay, we're just going to tell you what's happening in the news and they don't want to give you guys any more context or any more information.
There's a lot of shows that do that.
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This one was a little bit lighter for me in terms of the topic of conversation, but there's other times where we've covered even more in-depth conversations or things that affect you personally at home.
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