James Fishback, a 31-year-old Florida Republican running for governor, contrasts his "America First" economic nationalism—rejecting PAC money and foreign-tied donations—with rivals like Byron Donalds, whom he calls a "corporatist." He proposes banning foreign homebuyers in Florida, citing 52% of Miami-Dade County sales to overseas investors, and ties wage stagnation to immigration policies like H-1B visas. Rex Jones and Tim Tompkins highlight congressional insider trading, including Spencer Baucus ($6B+ gains from 2008 crash warnings) and Richard Burr’s $1.7M stock sales before COVID-19, framing it as systemic corruption. Fishback’s grassroots campaign, rooted in Florida’s working-class values, aims to reshape the GOP by prioritizing homeownership, fair wages, and cultural renewal over corporate interests or ideological distractions. [Automatically generated summary]
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Like they say all the crazy people come out of Florida because there's all these videos, but the same tune of like where you want to move to a lot of people in the Northeast, when they hear about Florida or Texas, it's a split, you know, between me.
I was actually looking at either somewhere like Miami or here.
You, I assume, know a lot of people that have moved to Florida, right?
Or families of people that have moved to Florida.
And Florida is one of those places where they've actually had a lot of economic growth and success where a lot of the country has not because of that influx of immigration and money from within the country.
So if things go well, if we do well on time, around the third hour, around that point, I've got a very educated, very eloquent Venezuelan dude who I've talked to before about this situation.
And I want to get his take on things.
So if we could get him to call in at the very end, we got a lot of different things for viewers tonight.
We got the fishback interview.
We got kind of the political intrigue game show.
And then we've got potentially the Venezuelan call-in at the end of the show.
And that's not going to be something we're trying to push a narrative on anybody or tell the caller, you know, what's what about where they're from.
But, you know, I enjoy the opportunity to get to talk to someone that's running for office.
I enjoy the opportunity to talk to someone who's actually in politics.
I think a lot of the time people that are media adjacent, like we say things about people running for office, we say they're all lawyers.
They're all XYZ.
But these people are very diverse and complicated, especially some of the candidates that people may not necessarily know everything about.
Right.
So the problem with the modern Republican Party is that if Trump comes out and endorses someone, they instantly are going to get, you know, that basic support.
They're going to get 20, 30, maybe even 40% of people right off the rip to vote for them.
Right.
And it's very interesting to me because I think independent politics and third party and stuff like that truly or like a reform of the Republican Party, I think that truly is the future.
And that's what I'd like to see.
I want to talk to some of these candidates who, you know, might get overlooked, but have the potential to really take over.
And I think this is one of those guys, right?
And, you know, there's interesting people that have run for office in Florida.
You've got Matt Gates.
You've got Rodin DeSantis.
You've even got Laura Loomer.
She ran for office a long, long time ago in a Galaxy Far Away.
Like you can't sit there, take somebody to court because some homeless guy decided to break into your house and just plant his flag and say, well, I'm going to sit here and I have this paper that says I own your house right now and you can't kick me out.
No, common sense in Florida now, because of what they've done is says, okay, look, you do that.
I got to say, like, as a southern guy, as a Texas guy, I really like, you know, some of the self-defense law that they have down there and some of the freedoms that they enjoy.
You know, there's also interesting things.
And there's also, you know, you live there, you might deal with a hurricane or three, you know, situations like that.
And obviously, it does make me sad because it's reality and it's just a fact that Trump can just come out and endorse someone and try to essentially hand him a race, right?
We see that with like Massey, like he's trying to get rid of him and other stuff like that.
And that's very interesting to me.
And, you know, that's nuanced.
And we'll see what Fishback thinks about stuff like that.
But we're very interested in this race.
And having found out about it more, like, there's just more I want to learn and more I want to know.
So, James Fishback, he's a 31-year-old Republican running for Florida governor.
He's making his first run ever for public office.
He's a fourth-generation Floridian.
He started his career in finance.
He founded a hedge fund.
He later launched Incubate Debate, which is a nonprofit that hosts free debate tournaments for high school students.
In 2025, he gained national attention for proposing the Doge dividend, a plan to return government savings directly to Americans as cash payments.
Ooh, that sounds pretty good to me.
You know, now he's positioning himself as the next generation successor to Ron DeSantis, who everyone likes.
He's pledged to continue Florida's culture war battles, tackle the cost of living crisis, and eliminate property taxes on homesteads.
He's also refusing PAC money and says he won't accept donations from groups of foreign ties, drawing a sharp contrast with better-known Republican rivals like Byron Donald's.
Very, very interesting.
And we're just waiting for him to rejoin.
And it might be a minute, might be a few minutes.
It's like Tim said, it's probably that hotel internet.
But going forward and continuing from here, do you think that do you think that we see more imminent chaos in Venezuela or do you think it cools off for a couple weeks, Tim?
And then, you know, we talked about on our last stream last night.
We covered this at probably like seven or eight or something like that.
But long story short, Trump is saying, well, the VP. is going to agree and whoever they put in power is going to agree with whatever America's demands are.
And literally, the VP who has been now put in place of power instead of Maduro, literally saying, we're not conceding anything.
We're going to declare a national emergency.
So, I mean, at that point, you've got two people saying different things.
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James Fishback is a 31-year-old Republican running for Florida governor.
He's making his first run for public office.
He's a fourth generation Floridian.
He started his career in finance.
He funded a hedge fund and later launched Incubate Debate, which is a nonprofit that hosts free debate tournaments for high school students.
In 2025, he gained national attention for proposing the Doge dividend.
Sounds pretty good to me, a plan to return government savings directly to Americans as cash payments.
Now he's positioning himself as the next generation successor to Ron DeSantis.
He's pledged to continue Florida's culture war battles, tackle the cost of living crisis, eliminate property taxes on homesteads.
He's also refusing PAC money and says he won't accept donations from groups of foreign ties, drawing a sharp contrast with better-known Republican rivals like Byron Donalds.
And I want to hear a lot about him tonight.
That was my first question to you.
Who is this guy?
Who is this Byron Donalds that you're running against?
So, Byron Donalds is less of a person and more of a concept, a concept of the Republican Party that we rejected when President Trump came down the escalator in 2015.
The Republican Party that was obsessed with GDP, the stock market, profit margins, was effectively corporatist at times as well as globalist.
And so, I'm running as a Republican that is unapologetically America-first, unapologetically economic nationalist.
And my vision for my state that my family is now known for four generations is very simple.
We are the best state in the country.
No offense to anyone else anywhere else, but the best state in the country.
But that means nothing if the people who made this the best state in the country can no longer afford to live here.
I meet young people, seniors, working families every single day over the last five weeks that I've traveled my state who tell me that they're doing everything right, but they just cannot get ahead.
Whether that's getting a great paying job because our country has been sold off to foreign labor, like H-1Bs, if that means buying their first home, but they can't because it was outbid by Blackstone or by a foreign national.
If that means by the grace of God, they do buy that home, they're stuck with property insurance that's skyrocketing, HOAs that are borderline criminal, and now property taxes that are an unconstitutional wealth tax on their own home.
And so, if I could sum it up very simply, I'm running for Florida governor to make life more affordable for people and their families.
Now, I have a question for you outside of the politics because we'll get back to the politics, but I think people need to understand your personal side.
And one of the things that I think people don't realize is there's a sacrifice that comes when you're running.
And, you know, you're 31, no wife, no kids, and you've chosen kind of this path of kind of having a new, not normal life in terms of like you're in front of the cameras, you've got a lot of game, you're in the game, and you're in the game.
What do you feel like you're sacrificing by going this route?
If there weren't someone, if there were someone in this race who represented this vision, and it's not a vision that I came up with, right?
It is a vision that has been the result of an intense debate within the Republican Party.
I'm sorry, I'm sick of this idea that we can't criticize our own party.
We absolutely can't.
And look, there's two strands of the Republican Party: those that want to shell for corporations, those that want to shill for immigration, whether it's H-1B or illegal, it doesn't matter.
So, I think there's a real hunger and a real appetite for this vision that I'm running on.
Honestly, the biggest sacrifice is spending a lot of time on the road and eating a lot of McDonald's and Chipotle.
But it comes with a, you know, the beauty of it is I get to see my state in a way that I haven't really seen it in a long time.
I mean, I grew up in South Florida.
I now live in the eastern Panhandle small town called Madison, 20 miles south of the Georgia line.
But I get to go to meet with citrus growers on a Sunday, then go spend time at a Catholic church, and then go meet with people, young people who feel like they're doing everything right.
They graduate.
They didn't take gender studies.
They actually did the whole STEM thing that we were told to do by Democrats and Republicans.
And then they find out that Amazon, Meta, Google, all these top tech companies don't want anything to do with them.
Not because they're not hiring, it's because they're not hiring those pesky Americans.
You know, those Americans that want a market wage, those Americans that actually want a fair shot at employment.
No, they'd much rather import cheap foreign labor from India, not because Indian labor is better, not because they're smarter than us, but because they're wage slaves, because these companies don't give a crap about our country.
They want to boost their third quarter profit margins so their EPS can beat expectations, so their CEO and CFO can take home another $10 million.
And if that means the working people who built our country get screwed over, then so be it.
And so I am not the Republican that's going to shill for the country club ideals, for the business chamber of commerce ideals.
I am running off a very simple principle: America is for Americans.
I believe in MAGA.
I believe in make America great again, but you cannot make America great again, Tim, with Indians, with Chinese.
You certainly can't make America great again with Haitians.
You can make America great again solely for Americans.
And so if we are going to advance an America-first agenda that works for everybody, it's got to work for everybody.
And by everybody, I mean American citizens in rural counties like Madison, Hernando, but also urban counties like Dade Broward and Palm Beach.
And that's why I've been over the last five weeks, gone to 12 different counties.
We got 27 events over the course of January, and I'm going to meet voters where they are, not to give stump speeches, but to take questions directly from them.
I did that for almost two and a half hours yesterday, took over 20 questions.
Nothing is off limits.
Floridians deserve a governor that they can see, talk to, and even debate with.
And, you know, I feel like there are a lot of people like you, just real organic raw talents that want to be in the political space and want to help people and fix things.
And I think a lot of the time they get forced out by that big money, right?
Because ultimately, it's like a David versus Goliath scenario where you're running against someone that has, you know, orders of magnitude more funding for ads and campaigns and running like grassroots foundational stuff.
How do you deal with that?
And what does MAGA mean to you?
Because Trump would say MAGA means whatever he says it means.
He's the kind of Dick Cheney George Bush Republican that would get us into foreign wars, then would tell us, as he did two weeks ago at the University of Florida, the reason why he supports the H-1B program is because, quote, our children are not economically viable yet.
That is language pulled directly from Klaus Schwab Davos World Economic Forum.
Look, Americans are the smartest, hungriest, most brilliant people on the face of the earth.
And the second we stop apologizing for who we are is the moment we start winning again.
And so what Make America Great Again means to me is actually making America great for the people who made it great in the first place.
And I'm sorry, that's not the immigrants who got here three months ago who are lecturing us and saying that we are living on stolen land.
That is not for little Mogadishu known as Minneapolis.
That is not for the Haitian immigrants who Byron Donald said in January of 2025 are quote integral to the Sunshine State.
That is to white men, black men, Christian, Muslim, Jew all over our state who have been a part of making what we do special.
And I'm running for governor so they can have a fighter in Tallahassee who's not going to look out for big business, but is going to look out for them.
Because I'll tell you the truth, our country is being replaced right before our eyes.
The truth that Republicans don't speak enough about is that our country is being auctioned off and the very people who built it, they're seeing their jobs taken and shipped overseas or the people imported from overseas to take their jobs right here in America.
They're seeing their homes scooped up from under them, hoarded by Blackstone, BlackRock, Airbnb, and foreign nationals.
Just give you one stat.
52% of all new home sales in Miami-Dade County, 52% of all new home sales in Miami-Dade County are going to foreign nationals.
That means that if you're a young couple who wants to get married, who wants to have kids, that very decision to settle down, to buy dirt, to put a couple branches on your family tree is going to be a coin flip between you and a communist from China, between you and a snowbird from Canada, between you and a private equity firm.
I am never, ever going to let home ownership be hijacked by private equity or foreign nationals.
I believe, as most Floridians do, that homes are for families.
They are not something to be traded between hedge funds and private equity firms.
So I think affordability, we think about affordability in terms of the cost of things, but I think we should get real for a second.
If everything doubled, but our take-home pay tripled, none of us would be complaining about affordability, right?
It's the fact that stuff has gotten so much more expensive, but our take-home pay has not gone up at the same pace.
And so when we start with affordability, we think about it from two levers.
How can we bring costs down?
And when I say bring costs down, I don't mean to say that inflation was 5% and now it's 3%.
When I say bring costs down, I mean literally your electric bill was $100 last year per month and now it's $85.
I believe that affordability, if you're going to deliver on that, you have to actually bring down the cost of goods and services.
That's the first lever.
The second, it's the most foundational part is how can we bring up wages?
How can we bring up take-home pay?
What holds down take-home pay is cheap foreign labor that has utterly inundated our labor market here in Florida.
And guys, this is personal for me.
My own dad cut trees for 20 years in South Florida.
We had a great living growing up.
And then suddenly an earthquake devastates Haiti.
And the Democrats and Republicans decide that we have to be generous and let in 100,000 Haitians.
They all came to Florida.
And because they couldn't exactly become SAT tutors, they took on manual labor like tree trimming and landscaping and put my dad out of business.
Not because he wasn't good at his job, not because he let down his clients, but because our politicians, Democrat and Republican, let down people like my dad and said, you know what?
Our generosity is not extended to white men or black men in Florida.
It is extended to foreigners who have no claim to our birthright, who have no allegiance to our flag and have done nothing for our country.
And so I'm in this race because I've seen the ills of mass migration affect my own family.
It put us on food stamps.
It nearly pushed my parents on the brink of bankruptcy.
And I don't want that to happen to anyone else.
And today, today, foreign labor is as worse as it's ever been.
The H-1B program, what it does is it allows companies like Dell, Microsoft, Intel, Accenture, doesn't matter, companies to just bring in cheap foreign labor at half the cost of American labor.
And now those people who graduate, who did everything right, who studied STEM, they can't even get a job.
And this is not just white collar.
It's also blue collar.
You go to Disney World, those concession stands at Epcot or Magic Kingdom where they sold popcorn, they used to be staffed by young men and women from all over our state, rural areas like Pahoki, but urban areas like Fort Lauderdale and Miami.
And guess what?
They're staffed by Filipinos, Thai, and Indonesians.
I'm sorry, that is wrong.
Those jobs belong to Floridians.
Those jobs belong to Americans.
We should not be selling off our entire labor market because a company like Disney wants to boost its fourth quarter earnings.
And so I think if we get back to this idea that our economy should serve our people first and foremost, we'll clear up a lot of the problems.
When people can get great paying jobs, they can afford stuff.
When they can afford stuff, they can start a family.
They can buy a home.
They can do and live out the full arc of the American dream.
But we cannot do that when quite literally our very existence, our very existence is being called into question because Democrats and Republicans will shill for H-1Bs, will shill for big companies, will shill for all of that nonsense and will never look out for us.
And I think Rex also agrees on the America First concept in terms of like money going overseas makes no sense.
Even the stuff that's happening in Venezuela where we're spending all that money just to attack makes no sense.
And it's all being paid for tax dollars.
So like we always say this proudly, America First.
And, you know, it's not, and that's not a wrong concept because everybody has been disenfranchised to believe that, you know, we would, we should have it any other way.
Well, before that, specifically, because I want us to address this America first, my question for you is, is like, we're not disagreeing on the America first, but all ideologies go up to a certain point in which there's a threshold.
Do you think that there's a mindset in which we've crossed the line too far with America First?
So I think it's, we get caught up in these debates about where the line is.
I think you'll draw the line very simply that America is for Americans and we're not shipping our tax dollars overseas and we're not handing out welfare to legal or illegal immigrants.
You know, for the longest time, Rex, we've been told that illegal immigration is bad, but legal, legal immigration is good.
That's a lie.
That's an absolute lie.
An invasion of our country of third world immigrants is bad.
I don't care if the Republicans and Democrats in the DC swamp blessed it or not.
It is wrong.
Let's be very clear about something.
The Afghan refugee that came to our country after the Joe Biden disaster, he was here legally.
That same man that shot two of our National Guardsmen one block from the White House the night before Thanksgiving, he was here legally because Byron Donalds, my opponent, passed Joe Biden's Allies Act, which lowered the vetting requirements for Afghan refugees into our state.
Number two, the Haitians in Springfield, the Haitians here in Florida, they're not here illegally.
They have temporary protected status going all the way back to the earthquake.
And yet they have no value.
They bring no value to our country.
And third, and it's almost kind of crazy to say this, but we have to.
The 9-11 hijackers were here legally.
They were here legally in the United States.
So let's disabuse ourselves of the idea that if it's legal immigration, it's okay.
An invasion of our country is an invasion of our country.
Whether the DC bureaucrat elites blessed it or not, that is irrelevant.
I am running for Florida governor to stop the great replacement of our people.
If we can't get jobs because they were sold off to H-1Bs, we can't exist in our own country.
If we can't get into colleges because DC wants to bring over 600,000 Chinese students, we can't get an education.
And if we can't buy a home because Blackstone, Airbnb, and foreign nationals can hoard those homes, take those homes from us and put us in chains, relegate us to 50 years of debt slavery.
known as the 50-year mortgage, then we don't have a country anymore.
We are just simply an economic zone like Dubai or Hong Kong.
And our entire identity as Americans, our birthright has been stolen from us.
You raise a very interesting point there where you talk about the 50-year mortgage.
And, you know, no one was more urgent for Trump than me.
I remember being like 14, 15 years old, watching him come down that escalator like you talk about, watching the first Republican debate, the primary debate, and telling my father, I said, that guy's going to be president.
And he's told, he like laughed at me and called me an idiot and said I didn't know what I was talking about.
But I recognize the aura of someone actually saying and coming in and making the point of saying, I'm going to be America first.
I'm going to, I'm going to embody that spirit of the country of improving the life for the everyman.
And I've been very critical of him, especially in the second administration, because the excuse that was given the first time was, well, the appointees may or may not have been the best, but it is what it is.
He's not a politician.
Well, I would make the argument that he is a politician now.
And some of these things that I think we're given sometimes, it's just like a white rabbit that distracts us from the actual situation.
You look at 300 billion spent in Ukraine.
I understand Biden did most of that, but Trump has continued to do it.
And you look at that money, you go, how much could that help out ordinary Americans?
James, what's your stance on foreign conflict and specifically the expense of it in blood and treasure for the United States and for Floridians?
So my take on this actually is that what the president did in Venezuela yesterday is completely aligned with the America First framework.
And the reason why is Maduro was a homicidal communist dictator who opened up the prisons and let tens of thousands of gangbangers like Trendi Aragua flood our country when Kamala Harris was the border czar, took over entire complexes in Colorado, terrorized women, poisoned our communities with addictive drugs like cocaine and fentanyl.
Maduro was right to be captured by the president.
He'll now stand trial and he'll have to pay for the children he's orphaned and the widows that he has made.
But to then put troops on the ground and play this nation building experiment, that's where I think the president recognizes that would be a line too far.
Afghanistan was a disaster.
Iraq was a disaster.
The idea that these unsalvageable hellholes could now become vibrant democracies and constitutional republics, that's just, it's a lie and it cannot happen.
I think Venezuela was an actual threat very clearly.
Hundreds, so in my own state of Florida, there's 370,000 Venezuelans, 100,000 Venezuelan migrants in recent years.
Honestly, Maduro's gone.
It's time for the Venezuelan migrants here in Florida to go back, go make your country great.
You came here, and I actually believe a lot of the Venezuelans that I've met that they came here genuinely out of fear of Maduro and political persecution.
Maduro's gone.
It's time for you to go back and make your country great.
And this is not some Panglossian idea that Venezuela can't be great.
No, Venezuela was the richest country in South America.
It had the highest number of private jets per capita.
It had rule of law, a strong border, a vibrant economy, the largest proven oil reserves on planet Earth, more than Saudi Arabia, more than Iran.
Venezuela can be a great country again.
Maduro is gone, but we cannot control that fate and future.
We cannot put troops on the ground.
It's up to the Venezuelan people to make their country great.
And I'm now calling right here, right now.
I'll do it for you guys, Rex and Tim.
I'm calling on every Venezuelan who has come here because of Maduro to pack up your bags and to go home.
Your country needs you.
Be brave.
The brave thing to do is not to come here and stay here any longer than you said you were going to need to be here.
You.
I believe many of you were genuine.
Many of you were genuine and came and fled the political persecution under that communist homicidal dictator.
But that man has been taken out because of President Trump's bold leadership and the special operators who were successful under his direct orders.
It probably does because if you look at what happened about 20 years ago under Chavez, he totally kicked out American oil companies.
Those resources were ours.
We built that infrastructure.
I don't know that the president or Americans want to entertain some big debate about oil reserves in Venezuela.
What I think we need to do right now is recognize that if all of the Venezuelans who are here get up and leave, that if all the trend de Ragua gangbangers get sent to Seacot, if all of these people get out of our country, that's going to save us billions of dollars a year.
We can have a debate about the oil another day.
But right here, right now, if we can get the people out of our country who came here as a result of Maduro, if they can go back to their country and make it great, we will have saved billions of dollars a year in welfare and Medicaid and food stamps, that that's going to be enough savings.
I think there's a time to be had about the oil, but at the end of the day, we have to actually get real about what can happen here in the near term.
Now, don't you think, though, with that being said, that, you know, there has to be some stability in terms of Venezuela before people can go back, right?
Because right now, I mean, we took their leader.
Yeah, we took their leader.
Their vice president went into office and is sworn in.
They declared a state of national emergency.
They're basically saying, well, we will defend ourselves from the colonialists.
She's saying, like, we're not going to concede.
But then you have Trump saying, well, you know, I talk to them.
They're going to give us whatever we want.
And we're going to put like Rubio as the head for a little bit.
Like, so how do you, what's the timing look like for that?
If we were, if the Venezuelans were to get back, don't you need a nice baseline level before they go back?
Well, I think the baseline level is the homicidal dictator that ordered his own troops to open fire on protesters to run them over.
That man is out of power now.
And so what the exact post-Maduro transition looks like, that has to be in the hands of the Venezuelan people.
I don't support Marco Rubio being the governor of the Venezuelan protectorate.
And I don't think President Trump is even entertaining that.
I think President Trump was right when he said no more, no new foreign wars.
And this is not going to be a foreign war.
This was simply a strategic operation to capture somebody that had already been indicted by a grand jury in New York City for the poison that he pushed into our community, the addictive poison that killed thousands of Americans every single year.
Maduro and his wife are responsible.
They essentially used that country to run a drug trafficking cartel.
And ultimately, he's out of power.
I tell the Venezuelans, look, don't let perfect be the enemy of the good.
And how you see that is by getting houses and homes and affordable stuff for Floridians and then making sure that people that are here on asylum go back to the places that they're from.
I think that our schools, our homes, our community, our state, and our country is for our people.
And it's not for people who got here three weeks ago and suddenly want to lecture us about being on stolen land and what it actually means to be an American.
And so I'm running because the America First vision is not for one class of people, one faith of people, one.
So I think what you're referring to is there was a short-term vacancy on the U.S. Federal Reserve because someone resigned and disgraced over an ethics violation.
And I called him up and I said, you know, sir, I've been studying monetary policy as a macro trader for the last 10 years.
You and I are on the same page that interest rates should be a lot lower because the golden age cannot happen if young people cannot buy homes.
And one of those impediments that's being foisted on young people is the fact that 30-year mortgage rates are the highest they've been in 24 years.
That's out of President Trump's control.
That's fully within the control of the Federal Reserve.
And that's a guy, by the way, Jerome Powell, who has been obstinate and recalcitrant in every step of the way.
This is the guy that right before the 2024 election cut rates by the largest amount in four years, but won't do anything because he hates Donald Trump.
And so I told him that I am loyal to his vision for the Federal Reserve, which is to lower interest rates.
My loyalty is to one man and one man only, and that is Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior.
I am running because my Christian faith has been a guiding principle for me.
And my life versus Luke 646, why do you call me Lord, Lord, and not do as I say?
I think more Christians, including myself, would be wise not to view our Lord and Savior as simply our Savior, but as our Lord as well, that he's laid out very clear precepts for us to follow.
And one of those precepts, I think, is well articulated by St. Paul in 1 Timothy 5, verse 8, that if anyone, that if anyone denies his own, he denies his faith.
That is the essence of the America First movement, that we have glazed Haitians, we have glazed Somalians, we have given them money, resources, Obama phone, food stamps, all of that.
But our own people, our own people are being treated like second-class citizens in our own country.
If I'm elected Florida governor this year and in my four years, at the end of my four years, if I do not bring down costs for Floridians, do not vote me for reelection.
Do not give me a second term.
Do not under and let my opponents play this video in 2030 all they want.
If I as governor do not bring down the costs and bring up wages and make life more affordable for my state, do not re-elect me.
Byron Donalds would never say that on camera, would never put himself in a position where he could be tested in a very simple binary.
And so I am running because I have nothing to lose and I want to deliver for a state that my family has known for four generations.
My dad grew up here.
My grandfather, after fighting World War II, came here, taught at Florida Atlantic University, was one of the first people, called up Steve Wozniak himself, was a pioneer in the personal computer.
And then when he was had free time, he was running hundreds of head of cattle a couple counties over in Okeechobee.
My great-grandfather fought in World War I and then came to Florida to run a small motel on Fort Lauderdale Beach that my grandfather and my grandmother ran themselves as well.
And so I'm in this because I love our state.
And what I'm seeing happen is not just, I'm sick, I'm sorry, I'm sick and tired of like the left.
It's the Democrats.
It's the, no, guys, get serious.
The drag queen is not stopping you from buying a home.
And, you know, there was this tweet that came out, this headline, that the Florida Republican Party, the Tallahassee legislators, you know what their new, their new mission is in the new session, Tim, is they want to ban paper straws.
How about you ban Blackstone from buying up our homes from under our feet and turning us into a country of renters, which is to say a country of slaves?
Why do you stop?
Why don't you stop with the performative GOP establishment slop, the bread and circus that looks to us and says, you know what?
You don't have a right to complain because we got the drag queens out because we banned the paper straws and because we got that pride sidewalk cleaned up.
Of course, I don't want to see that LGBT nonsense when I'm walking out of Catholic church, having taken in the holy Eucharist of my Lord and Savior.
Of course, I don't want to see a drag queen with latex talking to kids in a park.
It's crazy because you're not allowed to do that there.
If you and I were to fly up to Canada right now and say, hey, we're going to buy this, if there was a Canadian couple and God bless them, a Canadian couple who said, hey, we bought the perfect home.
We got the perfect home in Montreal.
It's a three bed, two bath.
We got one baby on the way.
We want to have three more kids.
We're Catholics and we want to buy this home.
And then here comes Rex and James with some extra money and we're going to buy this home.
We're going to outbid them by $500.
And their entire life plan is now ruptured, is torn asunder because a foreigner who has no right to that land, who does not pledge allegiance to the Canadian flag.
Guess what?
Canada banned that two years ago.
They banned foreign nationals from buying property in their country.
Say what you want about Trudeau.
Say what you want about Canada.
That was based.
And I'm sorry, I'm doing that on day one.
I am signing an executive order to ban foreign nationals, Blackstone, BlackRock, Airbnb from buying up our single family communities.
I'll tell you right now, you did not sign up for a country where a private equity firm using hundreds of billions of dollars in overseas capital from China of all places can come, outbid you, and stop you from buying a home that was preconditional to you starting a family, to you getting married, to you having kids, to you living out the full arc of the American dream here in the sunshine state.
I'll see them in court, but I'm going to do everything in my power to stop that from happening because homes belong to us, not to them.
Like, let's say, and I think these are all great points.
I think the fact of, you know, these executive orders and exerting a power that's necessary in order to get a specific agenda that actually helps the people is something that's necessary.
But that doesn't come without the cost of the lobbying, the interest groups that, you know, are getting paid off of these types of programs.
You're going to have to deal with a lot of folks.
And not even just that, like people who, you know, I would lack of a better word, the people who sit inside the shadows who you don't know about.
How do you feel like you're going to deal with those people who like say, well, I'm the real guy in power here.
I you don't meet with them because if you're a politician, you've been in this game for a long time, like Byron, you're compromised.
You have an AIPAC handler.
You have a BlackRock handler.
You already have the donors.
I mean, this guy's got $40 million and he gets upset when I call him a slave.
I'll stop calling him a slave if he gives back the money and stops acting like a slave.
It's that simple.
When he goes out and says that hedge fund managers like Jeff Yass have given him $5 million, the same Jeff Yass that has bought TikTok with Larry Ellison is now changing the algorithm to punish certain criticisms of a certain foreign government.
No, not okay, Byron.
And so it's not about that all of a sudden you're inaugurated and there's a secret army that comes into play.
No, the secret army has already started.
It's the lobbyists.
It's the donors.
It's APAC.
Byron Donalds has already been bought and paid for.
He was auctioned off long ago.
$40 million, I guess, was his price.
My price is no, I'm not taking any of that money.
And if that means I'm going to get outspent three to one, four to one, so be it.
President Trump was outspent by Hillary Clinton four to one.
Look how that turned out.
He was outspent by Kamala Harris four to one.
Look how that turned out.
So if Byron Donalds wants to outraise and outspend me, so be it.
He's got money.
We've got people and I'll take people every day of the week.
You know, you don't have to agree with everything, but I really love the fire in your belly.
And I think we need that in American politics.
I think a lot of the problems that people have with the modern just administration and GOP as a whole is it's kind of that, it's kind of like that fake energy, right?
They're trying to get you excited about something when you're like politician talk is what I call it.
And honestly, it's probably the caffeine I'm on five shots in right now.
But for me, it's, you know, I'm not personally wealthy.
I spent a lot of time working at a hedge fund, an investment firm, but I'm thinking about these very questions as someone who has struggled with affordability in my own life and to see my own friends and my own family struggle under the weight of that.
And so I'm just going to be myself.
And that is a little bit unhinged at times.
And maybe it's not politically correct, but it's good.
I think that's what's going to take you to success.
And, you know, like I'm really interested now, you know, and I'm just a guy from Texas in another state.
And something that's interesting to me, and we talk about Texas and Florida, and we say we're the best.
You guys say you're the best.
That's cool.
And we can leave that alone.
Something that we really do have in common is the COVID period and the amount of freedom that our states had versus other places, places where you were at, Tim.
And you've evolved a lot on your political positions, as have I, you know, and that's the interesting thing about us doing our show.
And we really appreciate you coming on the gray area is we're trying to leave that like left-right dichotomy aside and just talk about making things better for Americans and what that means is being informed.
Right.
And you're very informed.
I don't think anyone could say that you're not a sharp guy.
So the three most important people in my life have been my mother, my father, and my grandmother on my father's side.
And so I think the analytical, informed side comes from my dad.
I talk to him three, four hours every single day about just everything, politics.
He's been traveling on the campaign trail with me.
And so we'll read an article together.
We'll listen to podcasts together and then just literally talk the entire time about these issues and try to get a better handle of them.
My mom is the very much, she's where the energy, I think, comes from, where she just kind of says and does and leads and never asks for permission or forgiveness or apology.
That's just who she is.
And then I think my grandmother, you know, she was an English teacher for 20 years at a public school not too far from where I grew up.
And I think she was very much an order.
She was, we would, when I was in high school debate, I would literally sit down with her for hours and practice poetry, reciting things like If by Rudyard Kipling, to practice and intonate every single word to not drop off certain sentences.
And so I spent a lot of time with her.
And, you know, she sadly passed about a year and a half ago.
But for me, those are the three people that I think if you look at me today, for better or worse, good, bad, or ugly, and you say, who created James Fishback, right?
Who created this person?
It is an amalgamation of my mother, my father, and my paternal grandmother.
And you talk about all those factors culminating in you and where you are today in your life and really your skill base.
You talk about like being an orator and practicing oration and stuff like that.
That stuff I need to do a lot more of.
That stuff I used to do as a child.
I have a real love of it.
And I can just tell, man, like, you really know how to do the speech.
And it's very impressive.
It gives me something to where like, I want to, I want to get on your level, honestly, because you're able to eloquently explain all these thoughts and ideas at such a deep level and the level of recall that you have.
I mean, that's what people want, right?
When people talk to a politician or someone running for office, they ask them, how are you going to make my life better?
And they get a canned response of like, well, I'm going to do this.
I'm aligned with the party, X, Y, Z. You're like, this is what we're going to do.
So you are part of the exact same demographic that is experiencing all of the pain that like our grandparents and even our parents experienced a completely different life than we did.
And so now we're in a whole new playing field where like, I don't even know what's going to happen next.
And social media has like made things compound worse and make everything feel chaotic.
But do you see a light at the end of the tunnel?
Do you feel like there's some hope, some society?
Because it's very easy to be blackpilled these days.
The hope is actually that Gen Z has woken up to what's actually happening in this country, which is that we're being replaced and we're being sold off.
The, you know, I think there's part of the Gen Z movement that is frustrated by the status quo and then wants to turn to their parents or grandparents and say, you guys had it so easy and you left us this mess.
I don't know.
My parents or grandparents weren't exactly an elected government.
I do think that there's truth to, you know, my, so my parents bought their first home where I grew up, my sister grew up in a town called Davie, which is outside of Fort Lauderdale.
And they bought it in 1996 for $104,000.
They bid against two other families.
That's it.
Two other families.
They got the home.
They want it by $1,500 or so.
That same home went from $104,000 to half a million dollars.
And if you were to go bid on it today, you'd be bidding against 15 different, not people, 15 different entities, an LLC here, a private equity firm here, some guy who wants to turn it into an Airbnb, some Canadian, foreigner, national, Chinese, communist.
It doesn't matter.
And so I think the real debate actually in the Republican Party is not between America First or MAGA.
I mean, those terms generally represent the debate well.
The debate is actually between economic corporatism and economic nationalism, between whether the goal is a free market or a free people.
If the goal, Tim, was a free market, there'd be a slave auction happening right now outside.
You need some semblance of regulation to do one thing.
Regulation is good for one thing, and that is to protect citizens.
That's it.
The second regulation starts to pick winners and losers.
So, for example, in Louisiana, just a couple of years ago, there was literally a law in the books that said you could not sell flowers unless you had an occupational license, unless you passed a test to be a florist.
Think about it.
You could not arrange daisies and tulips and put them in a vase and earn a living unless you had the blessing from the state government.
This is what we talk about on the show all the time, man.
And that's been my biggest critique of Trump is really when I think of a great American president, I think of Teddy Roosevelt to think about the guy that broke up the big monopolies and did the antitrust stuff.
Is that something you as governor, you're really going to focus on?
Because that really makes me want to support you even more because that's what I see as the biggest issue.
You're going to do all these things, but how are you going to do them?
There's a bunch of establishment hacks, Republicans and Democrats.
I actually think that there's a lot of old laws on the books.
I'll give you one example.
In 1891, Florida banned usury.
It's never been enforced.
It's a law that's on the books.
And so one thing that I'm spending a lot of time doing, Tim, is looking at all the old laws in Florida, all the old state statutes that have been on the books for 80, 100, 150 years, and saying, that's already there.
You know, I think there's this idea that we look at society and say there's a problem.
And then the, oh my gosh, there's a real, imminent, urgent problem.
It's real.
And then say, how are we going to pass a new law?
How are we going to, how are we going to get the Republicans and Democrats together?
I don't want to get the Republicans and Democrats together.
I want to fix the problem.
And so before we go and try to pass a new law, why don't we see if there's an existing law on the book and then just enforce that law right away?
One example is very clear.
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and a lot of the idiot Republicans in Congress said that the border can't be shut down because we need a bipartisan border bill that caps the sales at 5,000 a day.
And we can't do anything unless the border bipartisan bill is passed.
Cap.
No, you needed a new president.
And President Trump shut that border down in 30 minutes and for the last, in 30 minutes, and for the last six months, there hasn't been a single illegal alien that has breached that southern border.
You don't need new laws.
You need new leaders.
And so when you're electing someone, whether it's at the national level or even more so at the state level, because the 10th Amendment really does give the power to the states.
And I'm a big believer in states' rights, is you actually have a system that says, look, I'm actually not going to like so much of what I talk about is not new legislation.
It is how can we use executive authority?
How can we use laws in the books?
And then how can we bully?
Yes, bully.
How can we bully the companies and the institutions that have bullied us and have gaslit us and have deceived us for too long?
That's the kind of governor that I am going to be.
I'm not someone who's going to sit here and say, let's negotiate on this.
No, no, no.
We're not negotiating on anything.
We're going to do what's right.
And if you don't like it, we'll see you in court.
And guess what?
One of President Trump's greatest blessings is that he has given us a thoroughly conservative Supreme Court.
So you want to challenge us on any of this, you stupid Democrats, you environmental groups, even you big business Republicans?
We will see you at the United States Supreme Court.
And I don't know how we're going to win, but we're going to win, whether it's 5'4 or 6'3.
It will depend on whether she is there that day and how she's feeling.
We actually have to put these things together and not be afraid, afraid to be challenged in the court system.
do you want them to know there's a fork in the road happening in the country and in the party and i'm not concerned Who is going to be the nominee in 2020?
It's so far away.
Who cares?
This is not about the who, it's about the what.
What vision for Florida do we want?
And then what vision do we want for the country after President Trump's term is up?
And if that vision is punishing criticism of a foreign government, if that vision is turning our country into an economic zone where private equity can buy up homes and deny us home ownership, if that vision is our people aren't smart, they're lazy and stupid, all of the Vaik Ramaswamy.
We need to bring in another boatload of Indians.
If that vision is, well, we need to negotiate with the Chinese communist.
And as a result of the negotiation, we have to concede that we're going to let in 600,000 foreign students to replace our kids at our colleges.
That is one vision that's on offer.
And that essentially is diet globalism.
You can call it Republican.
You can call it whatever you want to call it.
But the political zeitgeist today is that of a hall of mirrors.
Remember those hall of mirrors and those good word too.
It was the hall of mirrors is what you see is not exactly what you get.
The debate that we need to be having is not with the Democrats.
The Democrats have totally lost.
Okay.
We do not need to be negotiating with them.
We don't need to be entertaining them.
They could kill us all if they had the opportunity.
The way that they cheered on Charlie's assassination, they should never be near the levers of power again.
But while I'm on the subject of a party never being near the levers of power again, I want to be very clear.
If a Republican stands up and wants to throw you in prison for criticizing Israel, they should never be in power again.
If a Republican stands up and gaslights you that you're lazy, that you're stupid, and that's why they need to import Indians to replace you.
They should never be in power again.
If a Republican stands up and says, you know what, you don't deserve a home because in a free market capitalist system, anyone can buy a home.
A Chinese national, Airbnb, a private equity firm, they never need to be in power again.
And so I'm running for Florida governor because I think I'm a real Republican, one that's actually going to stand up for American citizens.
We often think about liberty.
And I guess my question is, for those of us who say that we're fighting for liberty, for those who identify as liberty-minded conservatives, ask them, liberty, liberty for whom?
Who is the liberty for exactly?
Is it for foreign nationals?
Is it for corporations?
Is it for private equity?
Is it for Larry Fink?
Is it for Steve Schwartzmann or is it for American citizens?
Because if the liberty is for everyone, every entity in this economic zone that's called America, if everyone gets to have the same liberty, then no one has it, least of all American citizens.
And so that I think is the crossroads, the fork in the road that we are at today.
And I got to tell you, if we're having a debate with some people and they want to debate about what an American is or what an American is not, I'll tell you this.
Very simply, an American is someone who loves our country.
But you cannot love our country if you hold dual loyalty to another country.
You cannot love our country if you hold contempt for your fellow Americans.
You call us lazy and stupid, you cannot love our country.
If you don't respect the fact that we are a Christian nation, that our founding fathers were Christian and built us on Christian ideals, then you cannot love our country.
To love America is to be an American.
And I'll tell you the truth.
When you have people like Vivek Ramaswamy saying that white men are lazy and stupid and we were too obsessed with football, that is not someone who represents an unapologetic love for America.
And I'll tell you right now, there's a lot of people in our country who are citizens, who have been here, who may be white.
They're not American either.
If they're going to run around and tell us that we don't have a right to fight back at what is clearly happening to our country.
You know, you made an excellent point at the beginning where you talked about, you know, the post-Trump situation, right?
And that's what we face.
We face 12 years of this guy, you know, dominating the news cycle, being the most talked about topic, even when Biden was president, right?
It was the Trump indictments.
It was the law fair.
It was all of it.
That's what everyone was invested in.
Going forward in 2028 and beyond, I know he says, I'm going to run again.
I'm going to do it.
But realistically, we're going to see a JD, we're going to see a Rubio run against like a AOC or a Gavin Newsom.
What do you think the future of the Republican Party is?
And do you think that people like you that are real populist, real, like you're a Republican, but you're very, you're independent-minded.
You're not, you're not necessarily slavishly loyal to any sort of party politic or system.
You genuinely want things to get better versus the side represented by someone like Byron Donalds, who is bought off by the corporate interest, who is controlled.
Where do you see things going forward in the next half decade to a decade?
The Republican Party is either going to go in the direction of America first, working class populism, economic nationalism in the next 10 years, or it will cease to exist and it should cease to exist.
The Republican Party, the Country Club Republican Party, the open border Koch brother Republican Party.
Now, the Democrats want open borders so they can bring in voters.
The Republicans, for the most part, have wanted open borders for the last 25 years because it could bring in cheap foreign labor to pad their profit margins.
Let's get very honest about that.
And Bernie Sanders spoke about this in 2015.
I know so many voters who their first choice was Trump.
Their second choice was Bernie because that is where they were going into 2016.
And of course, they rigged the Democrat primary against him.
I think that the party needs to get real about what it represents.
You can't just call yourself America first and then do the bidding of a foreign country.
You can't call yourself America first and then sell your own people out to legal immigrants.
You can't call yourself America first and let Blackstone take $300 billion from the Chinese communist government and overseas capital and then buy up single family homes and then force us to rent as opposed to own.
And so when I hear America first, I think we should be clear that America first means American citizens first.
I'll give you just one example.
If you said, hey, it's America first to want cheap groceries and cheap groceries are attainable with cheap foreign slave labor from Central America.
And so importing another 2 million El Salvadorans or Guatemalans is actually America first because they'll pick our food and milk our cows at a cheaper hourly rate so we can get cheaper groceries.
If that is your version of America first, that is a perversion of what America first means.
I think the debate about trade is actually an interesting one about free trade, fair trade, tariffs.
You know, the question is, well, what do you value?
If you want cheap air fryers and Amazon basics t-shirts, guess what?
You should not want tariffs.
You should not, you should just want things to be the way they were, right?
If you just want cheap stuff and you want to feed into this consumerist materialist philosophy, then yeah, there should be no tariffs.
There should be no anything.
Just build all the stuff in China, make it all in China, because that's what it is.
But, but if you believe that every high school grad should be able to have a great paying job right out of high school, including a manufacturing job, then guess what?
We maybe should pay a little bit more.
And this idea that we pay a little bit more and then we just get screwed.
No, we might pay 10% more for something that is 50% higher quality.
New Balance makes 25% of its shoes in America.
Nike makes 2% of their shoes in America.
We all know that New Balance is higher quality than Nike.
So if a New Balance shoe costs $10 more, but it lasts you six months longer, is it really more expensive?
This is the problem when we get away from when we focus so much on this one-dimensional view of economics that the mainstream media pushes.
Oh, the Trump tariffs raise prices on tennis shoes by 10%.
Yeah, if the Chinese tennis shoes are 10% more expensive, and as a result, you don't buy them and you buy local, no balance-made, American-made shoes, and those shoes now last six to eight months longer.
So you don't have to go and rebuy another pair of shoes in six months.
My great-grandfather never met him, but my grandmother's father owned a restaurant supply store in Binghamton, New York.
And the very cup, the steel cup that he sold in the 1930s, my family still uses to this day.
Imagine an economy that sold goods that were so high quality that they didn't break because the Dollar Tree sold you another round of Chinese crap.
Imagine that my great-grandfather made something, sold something that my son, his great-great-grandson, could have hot chocolate in on the night before Christmas.
That's the economy I want to get back to.
And I guess what?
I'm going to call out the consumerism and the materialism because that is not the American way.
That we have to obsess, we need a new pair of jeans, we need this, that, we need $15.
No, we need an economy that creates good stuff at a great, honest price and employs honest workers across our country.
We're often told men, you know, Ben Shapiro crashed out at Amfest and he said, white men are just lazy and they need to get off the couch and get back to work.
No, not at all.
That's a slanderous lie.
What needs to happen is we need to stop with this Chamber of Commerce big business lie that Americans don't want to do this work.
Why don't you finish the sentence?
Americans don't want to do this work at the non-market slave wages that you are offering.
I know my state.
I know my people.
They will do an honest day's work for an honest wage.
We got rid of slavery a long freaking time ago in this country.
And don't sit and tell men that they're lazy and they're stupid because they don't want to pick weed or strawberries or pack boxes for $8, $9 an hour.
You offer them an honest market-based wage where they can take that money, they can live, be self-sufficient, look themselves in the mirror, have a sense of dignity.
Guess what?
You're going to have an economy that works for everybody.
And those young men, they're going to get married.
They're going to have kids.
They're going to own not just a home, but they're going to own a piece of equity in the future of this country.
And that's going to solve a lot of societal social ills.
I think this addiction with pornography, this obsession with marijuana, all of this crap, that is downstream of some of the economic frustration that young men are facing.
And I think the sooner we can tackle that, the sooner we can actually turn the country around in a cultural sense.
I think the Republicans have been playing the culture war on defense.
They've told us all the things we hate: drag queens, gay this, gay that, pride parades.
Yeah, none of us like that.
But why don't we play the culture war on offense for once?
Why don't we offer an alternative affirmative view of what winning the culture war looks like?
Here's how you win the culture war.
You tell young men that they can get married and they can raise their family of four on a single income.
You want to make the liberals go deranged.
They're not going to see what hit them.
You thought they went crazy over the pride parade and throwing the drag queens out of the library.
Imagine what happens when we all get Christ-pilled and red-pilled and we all become traditionalists once again.
When young men in this country can have a great paying job, don't have to climb over Blackstone or BlackRock to buy their first home, don't have to compete with an H-1B for that job and can actually raise a family.
That's how you actually win the culture war.
You don't win the culture war by demonizing drag queens.
And trust me, the drag queens deserve it, but that's not how we actually turn this country around.
I would be honored, but in this economy, I'm just not going to ask people to donate.
What I am going to ask them to do is if they feel aligned with our vision and our campaign, go to fishback2026.com, hit that volunteer button, fill that out.
Doesn't matter if you're in Florida.
It doesn't matter where you are.
If you can give us an hour a week so we can flood the zone.
We don't want to win this thing.
We want to win it by 10 because what happens in 2026 will determine what happens in 2028.
If we can throw out the America last slave that is DEI Donald's, if we can actually put forth an America first candidate in the third largest state in this country, we can actually turn the entire conversation around and force the Republican Party to admit that America First is inevitable.
And whether you agree with him or disagree with him.
Okay, Tim's taking a little bathroom break.
Whether you agree with him or disagree with him, like you know what his message is.
And that's true for very few political figures.
And that's what I want to see more of.
And that's what we were kind of talking about at the end of the interview where I asked him about the post-Trump world.
And he even brings it up kind of in that second to last statement that he made.
And that's what interests me, man, is I really want to see the growth of the grassroots of the Republican Party, of the Independents, of other parties, Libertarian Party.
I want to see that from people.
I want to see people that are actually qualified.
That dude's qualified.
That guy's qualified to talk.
That guy's qualified to lead.
That guy's qualified to inspire.
And you can say that about very few of these people.
Most of these people that run are literally, they're just cutouts.
Like we're talking about Byron Donald's, right?
$40 million, $40 million.
One political campaign.
That's not, you know, a long period of time.
That's a sprint.
That's like half a year or a little bit longer.
He's going to spend all that money promoting himself, promoting himself along the lines of towing the line, towing the official AIPAC, whatever you want to call it, neocon narrative.
Whereas you have a guy like this, who I guarantee, if they do a debate or if he gets on the same stage with them, I mean, Byron Donalds, I don't care if he's Neil deGrasse Tyson.
But it's the ability to express it and let people know what you're about because oftentimes people like politicians, they play this idiot game almost who like, I don't know.
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We're going to be covering the most corrupt politicians.
This is an episode that everybody has been asking for, but I wanted to save it specifically for tonight because I wanted enough people to see what's going on in our government.
Fishback already pointed to a lot of this stuff that's going on in the politicians in the environment that's going on there.
And now we're about to expose everybody's dirty laundry in game fashion.
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He attended a private meeting with the government officials.
Okay, they wanted.
They warned specifically to him, hey look, the system's in serious danger.
And then the next day he shorted stocks.
And look the way you short is.
You bet that things are going to fall.
That's basically what a short is.
They're betting against the market, betting against the market, right.
So he took his money, bet against the prices to fall also, took money out of the market for positions that he had in place that he knew he would have lost money.
And and here's the thing guys, with this, during 2008, before the market crashed, stocks were at an all-time high.
So for somebody that suspiciously, a day or two to short change all their positions made no sense in the context of how the money they always get it right man, they always figure out the secret solution to make more money, right?
So now, days later, market collapses, millions of Americans lose their jobs, they lose their homes, their savings.
And guess who made money?
The little spency over there.
He made tons of money.
All right, we're keeping that guy high level because we've got even it gets worse than here.
Guys, this is literally surface level.
We're gonna get even deeper into this.
All right, let's go ahead and go to the next question.
Three minutes later at approximately 11.58 a.m., Blank used his landline at blank to call Senator Burr's office landline at the United States Senate.
That call lasted approximately three minutes.
In an interview that I conducted, Blank, Burr directed that the sales go forward, referring to stock.
Within five minutes of this call, Blank entered a sell order in Brooke Burr's IRA account for the sale of 300 shares of Aon PLC stock for a total of approximately $66,582 and another sell order for an additional 95 shares of Aon PLC, an insurance company.
Oh, oh, the insurance companies have a problem.
I won't get out of it.
I won't tell my constituents anything about that for a total of approximately 21 grand.
In addition, Blank entered a sell order in Senator Burr's IRA account for the sale of 300 shares of GCI Liberty Incorporated, a telecommunications company, for a total of approximately $21,976.
At 3.43 p.m. on that same day, approximately three hours and 40 minutes after Senator Burr directed blank stock sales, that White House held a press briefing attended by blank HHS secretary Alex M. Blank.
I mean, we know who he is.
It's kind of stupid redaction.
And publicly announced that the United States would temporarily ban the admission of travelers who had been in China for up to 14 days prior to their attempted travel to the United States.
So, you know, war breaks out, oil prices tend to rise during conflicts, right?
And then after the invasion, typically defense and energy stock prices go up.
Now, the thing about this is that you had mentioned earlier: well, you know, that's probably good stock to buy, but the problem with this is like she gets to get Scott clean from just that plausible deniability.
Like, there's no proof that she knew the invasion was coming.
And many people believed that Russia would invade.
And, you know, this information could have been public.
And trades are technically legal, so there are no charges.
But here's the thing: the timing is very off here.
Two days before and the day before the invasion, you're sitting here making claims.
Guys, guys, just to put this in context, with her salary of 174K a year, even if you saved every single dollar and there were no taxes and there was no spending at all, it would take you 144 years to make $25 million alone from the salary that she's been given.
And, you know, it is good, at least with all the corruption and criminality, that it is public and they do have to, they do have to say how much money they've made, at least on paper.
And for people who don't know what the SP 500 is, just to give it, I know there's a bodybuilder.
It's an index fund in which the top 500 companies that are the best performing, the A-team of companies, basically put in this index fund and they track how well those companies are doing.
And it basically is always going up and to the right.
That's all you need to know, right?
So look at these numbers.
She turned $100 into $196 when the market only turned $100 into $173.
Federal prosecutors say the naked avarice of Randy Duke Cunningham is displayed in this handwritten bribe menu, laying out the successive amounts of government contracts that could be ordered in the amounts and bribes demanded in return.
For example, a $16 million contract was offered in exchange for a $140,000 boat.
You're just going to buy me a boat and it's all going to be okay.
It's going to be okay.
A million more for $17 million total would cost an additional $50,000.
16 million, 17 million, basically, you know, you do these contracts, and you know, he's giving you these military contracts as a result of paying him.
So the money goes directly to him.
And not just him, there's other people that are involved with these schemes.
And favors were pretty explicit.
Like they weren't even trying to cherry coat.
You know, they weren't trying to sit there and paint a nice picture and be like, oh, well, it's kind of corruption.
No, it was just blatant at that point, right?
Laws were clearly broken, and prison time eventually followed because there was no way to actually get him, but they didn't get other people, did they?
The stock stop trading on Congressional Knowledge Act prohibits the use of non-public information by members of Congress, federal employees, or any other officials to make a private profit.
It ensures financial transparency and holds officials accountable.
Key provisions: members of Congress and officials must report stock trades over $1,000 within 45 days.
Disclosures are posted online for public transparency, applies to trades by spouses and dependents.
Passed with strong bipartisan backing in April 2012.
Because here's the thing: Senator Burr, he's not the exception.
To better understand how widespread this issue is and if one party is doing it more than the other, I sat down with Chris Kardatzki of Quiver Quantitative, a company that uses alternative public data sources to help retail investors make better decisions.
Because apparently, one of the best ways to do that is by tracking members of Congress.
Which is a German defense contract, which, I mean, that rang a line bells for us because it's like, it was a stock we hadn't really seen any members trade before, and obviously very tied into U.S. defense policy.
Susie Lee sat on a committee on getting work structure.
And since then, the stock raised like, I think, 250%.
Last year, we saw Senator Mark Wayne Mullen buy stock in a company called Badger Meter, which really caught our attention because Badger Meter makes automated water meters.
And Senator Mark Wayne Mullen sits on the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works.
And we learned that the EPA had recently passed a mandate basically encouraging cities to switch to automated water meters.
The year following the trade, Badger Meter stock rose around 40% before Senator Mark Wayne Mullen.
Random Joe Schmo from like Minnesota or like some, you know, some place gets voted in for something, and then he instantly gets put into some committee that makes him makes them money.
I actually endorse, you know, this isn't financial advice, but I have seen people do this where they go and they like trade up Nancy Pelosi's stocks and they're making money.
I low-key might open up an account and just do this as like a passive way of income because might as well, if you can't beat them, join it.
This is like an elevator pitch as to why I should invest like that.
And we see someone with a very funny name, Throbin Hood.
Throbinhood says, Follow the money, you'll understand how they get elected.
He says, This is politics 101.
Sorry, you're just learning about how it all works.
It gets worse.
We know that the most important stuff is to go over the 101 stuff because most people claim to know it and actually don't know these people who actually know.
Because, like, here's the thing: we know some of it, we don't know all of it.
Throughout human history, people are going to spend the time going into like these nitty-gritty documents on the website and like look at all these confusing documents and all the PNLs and stuff like that.
Throughout human history, no matter what culture you looked at, using arranged marriages as a tool to get access to powerful people has been the norm.
If my son marries your daughter, you're probably going to be more likely to do business with me and pass favors along my way.
Now, today, arranged marriages don't really mix well with our Western culture.
So instead of arranging our kids to be married to each other, they go into business with each other and still get all the same benefits.
And don't worry, no matter if you're right, left, it's all the same.
Just take a look at what the sons of former Vice President Joe Biden and former Senator John Kerry did when they were both in office.
Their sons Hunter and Christopher founded an international private equity firm called Rosemont Seneca Partners.
And as Joe Biden was carrying out important foreign relations missions in China, Hunter's company also closed some pretty sweet deals with the Chinese government at the same time.
Coincidentally, of course.
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In 2013, as the tensions in the East China Sea were rising with China making some very aggressive territorial claims, China today scrambled warplanes over disputed islands that are claimed by both China and Japan.
And as Seth Done in Beijing reports, tensions are rising fast.
Joe Biden and his son Hunter went to visit China to try to calm things down.
After a mere 10 days passes, Hunter closed a $1.5 billion deal with the Chinese government, where the Chinese government was literally funding a business that was co-owned.
Deal that no other Western firms with much longer track records and much more experience than Rosemont Seneca were able to accomplish with the Chinese at the time.
But since China arguably had a lot to gain by getting closer to the vice president of the?
U.s.
Why not throw a bone to his son?
China's influence will grow and Joe Biden's family's wealth will get, without Joe running into any of the legal troubles if he were the one to get the deal.
This led to many other similar deals that were equally as lucrative.
You know, since we're on the topic of Trump, I wasn't sure whether I was going to cover this, but if you guys remember back in May, the United States took a plane, guitar, guitar, right?
Now, I joke around about this stuff, but like there's a part of me that actually is very upset about all this.
And it's like you joke around because it feels like that's the only thing to do is just laugh about it.
But like, Rex, I don't know about you, but for myself personally in my life, you know, I'm in that working class where I'm trying to strive to do something big.
Trying to succeed right America, and I am getting taxed at insane numbers, like somewhere between like 20 to 30 something percent.
You're trying, you're trying to create jobs, trying to create opportunities, trying to create opportunities, but i've, i've literally been down to my last dollar before yes, and I haven't been able to afford paying for groceries at times where I was just eating eggs.
There were times where I literally didn't have gas money, so the gas meter would stay pretty much almost near e every single day, especially in college.
And, you know, all that time sitting there struggling, having taxes being taken out of my account every single time I got a paycheck, in which literally a third of that goes to the government.
And I said, no, I don't think anyone's ever voted for it.
I don't think anyone's ever voted for any of these things because we're so propagandized and we're taught not to expect better and not to expect actual change.
There's a lot of people in here that this is the first time that you're probably watching.
I want to break down exactly what this show is about because we make jokes, we laugh, we have fun with it, but we're standing out from other shows by reporting on things that other people aren't talking about and trying to deliver it in a specific way that you can understand.
I do this every single Sunday on different topics for you guys to be entertained and be involved.
Okay.
The main purpose of the gray area, it is not black.
It is not white.
It is not right.
It is not left.
It is a gray area in which there's an overlap of ideas.
I came from New York.
He lives in Texas, right?
Okay.
We realized that we had more in common than we disagreed, but there was enough chaos going out there in which each side thinks they're fundamentally right.
There are people that support Trump till he dies.
There are people that support Biden till he dies.
And the whole point of this show is to expose that none of those people are the solution and we're too sick and tired.
There's no Star Wars narrative about the rebel alliance and the empire and no football team.
I like the Ravens.
I like the Giants.
We're not, we all, it's not, we're leaving that behind.
We're leaving that behind.
We're going forward into the future.
This is what people, specifically young people, want to hear about because this is how everyone feels.
And instead of falling into like a horrific communism style situation, if we don't want that, because that is real change that they're offering, even if it's bad, if we don't want that, we have to offer an alternative version of the future.
And that's what's made me sad about the current administration is they haven't done that.
They have continued to pull the line for the status quo.
And look, I know a lot of you guys have your regular viewership on other shows, but if this is a show that you want something different, I encourage each and every one of you guys, not even just give me a follow.
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Give him a follow, but follow Gray Area Talks because this is something that we believe down to our core and are not going to stop speaking about these things.
We're going to keep airing everybody's dirty laundry.
And the whole point of the show is to do something different.
If you want to break from people appealing to their base and talking shows, you got the Candace Owens sitting there giving you slop, talking about Fort Wachuka Hookah, Wuka, Waka.
Right.
Why do we care about that stuff when literally you're getting robbed in clear daylight in front of your eyes?
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Yeah, no, it's very encouraging, you know, and that's what I like to see.
I know he's not independent.
I know he's a Republican running in the Republican Party, but hearing people that actually have their own views and that are eloquent and that can elaborate on what they're trying to do for the American people instead of just some brand generic slogan.
You know, like that's what I used to love about Trump is Trump used to talk about policy.
And then now it's kind of the slop.
And, you know, like him or hate him or whatever your view is, James Fishback knows what he's talking about.
I've heard a lot of his talking points before, but I think, you know, Tim in particular was asking him really good questions and pushing him out of his comfort zone and, you know, answering those questions in the gray area that no one else is asking him.
So I feel like we really got to know him on a deeper level.
And it's like I ask him, I'm like, do we have the right to that oil?
Like, is that our oil?
Like, we're going to ask these questions to people.
And hey, like, I disagree with him a little bit a lot on the Venezuela situation, but you can hear him eloquently make his argument for why he believes that was the right thing to happen.
And ultimately, like, if that's what people support, that's what people support.
And like, certainly I wouldn't want to debate the guy.
Yeah, I think what I've been doing, what I've been trying to do recently is get behind potential candidates that are going to put America first, that are going to put populism ahead of corporate interests.
And I think Fishback really sparked the fire on this.
And we're starting to see more and more America First political candidates come about.
You know, guys like Casey Push in Ohio, guys like you could say Mike Lindell in Minnesota to some extent, Aaron Baker running against Randy Fine in Florida for his congressional seat.
There's one topic I wanted to bring up with you guys.
It's a little bit of nuance.
So I want to talk about how this Somali fraud scheme ties into the 2026 midterms.
Now, obviously, this fraud was at first exposed in Minnesota, but now it's turning out to be a problem all across the country.
And massive fraud is now being uncovered in great states like Ohio and Texas.
And as you know, Tim Waltz is on the hot seat and he's under investigation by the DOJ since this fraud happened right under his nose.
So I would assume that Governor DeWine of Ohio and Governor Abbott of Texas will be under fire next as well.
And, you know, thankfully, we have some pretty solid America First gubernatorial candidates in Ohio and Minnesota with Push and Lindell respectively.
But Greg Abbott is running unchallenged in the 2026 Texas governor's race.
But long story short, I think, look, I mean, you're saying like replace Greg Abbott, but you guys just haven't existed in a state that doesn't have someone with common sense.
This is what we're talking about with the politicians: we need to like, if you're going to be elected over and over and over again, first thing, number one, term limits, right?
Guys, I just want to say I really love where the show is going.
So like some months ago, I called in and we talked about some immigration stuff, but it's just been incredible watching you guys grow and having a whole politician on the show.
It's crazy.
And I just really like the guy.
He seems really level-headed.
The way he communicated, Katelli's like college educated, or even if he wasn't college educated, he's educated.
And I feel like that's such a rarity nowadays in politics where I feel like half the shit I hear, like, if you know, you watch like the videos where there's like the house and bunch of people talking to each other and they're like screaming at each other.
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And the guy's like, give the woman five more minutes.
I can see that he has a level-headed mindset and he's practical.
And I feel like we need more of that in today's age where, and I don't really care about what you're labeling yourself, Republican, Democrat, like I can give a flying fuck about that.
It matters to me as where your values.
And I could tell that my values with him align.
And like, even though I'm maybe not the same race or anything, like none of that matters to me because it just has to do with being a human being.
And he seemed very human and down to earth to talk about things that are real issues that actually affect people.
You know, I didn't actually, you know, you know, that people are corrupt and everyone jokes about it all the time, but you really don't dig enough to see how corrupt everything is on both sides.
And I was just sitting in the kitchen, like cracking up, also really disappointed at the same time.
And also, like, you probably didn't even go and scratch the surface, you guys, about how long corruption, like, I mean, you talked about how the laws have changed to, I guess, quote unquote, be more transparent with no legal action.
But, you know, I'm a big history buff.
So like, I love to see like just the history of even like deeper corruption and how that's affected in modern day politics.
Cause it's, it just seems like it's just the norm at this point, or that's maybe what people have to do.
So I'm just very curious, like, is it a necessity or is it grief?
Like, you know, what's motivating these politicians to do the same?
Because are there some that aren't doing it or is it just a necessity and they're not being paid enough, apparently?
Because I guess my salary that I have right now as a middle class person, I guess, like I guess I'm complaining.
And if a politician is complaining about their six-figure salary, that's just not obtainable to have a great life.
Like, there's the money, there's the power in the system.
There's the authority that comes with it.
There's all that combined.
But beyond any of that, like these people, they rub shoulders with each other.
They go to the cocktail and champagne parties with each other.
They're in the tuxedo ties in the dark rooms.
This is how they live their life.
Right.
And you can look at someone like Fishback, and even if you don't agree 100% of what he says, you can tell he's not like one of those people because he's so invested in what he believes in that he can speak on at such a high level.
There's some people that really go in there with genuine intentions, but then when you are like in the club and realize, oh, wow, these people run it and there's nothing I can do.
You kind of feel defeated to where like, this is your source of income.
These are the things that you're able to do.
And in order to like afford and keep up with the lifestyle of DC, I'm going to be honest, 174 for being at these high-profile dinners and a lot of other stuff might not be enough, but who knows?
I don't, but hey, but I'm not going to sit there and be like, I'll buy your dinner for you.
And here's the thing also: there are a lot of politicians that get into politics that already have money and they're just using this as a way to make more money.
They already have that entrepreneur mindset where they're like, well, if he's doing it, I might as well do it too.
Well, because here's the thing, in the grand scheme of things, right?
The difference between, you know, MTG making, you know, 1 million and then getting up to 25 million is nothing in comparison to the billions.
Yeah, you could say that.
But I mean, look, other countries are right now struggling with protests and all the things going around there because of the corruption that's going.
We have legal corruption is our issue, not even just plain.
Yeah, it's baked into the law.
So I don't really, there's no real solution when you have it baked into the law.
And that's why I've said on the gray area a bunch, look, if you have a, if you want to play the game, you have to kind of have a business and like use the laws that are in place.
Like at this point, it's like, I don't want to have a like a victim mentality or defeatist mentality about it where I'm like, oh, woe is me.
You know, here I am.
Honestly, where I am in life, there are so many things I can't complain about because I'm so fortunate.
But I had to work hard to get there, you know?
So it's like, I, you know, I can, I can, I don't want to say respect the grift or the hustle because like I don't even want to morally respect it.
But from just the fact of matter is like, no matter how you skew it, like they worked hard to get to a place where people voted them in and they're taking advantage of the law at play.
I just hope from a moral standpoint, like I guess they can die happy or something.
Like I have no clue what, you know, they're worth it.
Do as much war as possible so we can just bid on these defense contracts and win that way.
I mean, it is wild.
And we really appreciate you being a fan of the show, being a listener and appreciating what we do because we want people to appreciate what we do.
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And that's really how we take the show to the next level in 2026 and beyond is by getting those high quality guests for our Sunday episodes.
And Tim put in the legwork, the hard effort to get James available, to get him on the stream with us so that we were able to do the interview.
And that was definitely, we've done some good interviews, but there are people I've been connected to and prior, you know, we had opportunities and we took advantage of those.
This was something where Tim made the grassroots connection with James and in connection with Nimrod Pod, obviously.
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