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rex jones
What do you hold on?
Hold on.
Welcome to Gray Area.
Live episode 35.
We got a big show today.
We're figuring stuff out.
What's going on?
tim tompkins
No, go search.
rex jones
Okay.
tim tompkins
No, down there.
unidentified
Sorry.
tim tompkins
Okay.
In the windows.
unidentified
All right.
tim tompkins
Pull up our soundboard.
That's all I'm asking for.
rex jones
Here, go ahead and do it.
tim walz
All right.
unidentified
Evening, evening, evening.
Yeah.
rex jones
Welcome to the show.
We're going to talk about the Somali craziness.
My dad covered that.
He had the Nick Shirley guy on today.
We're going to do a follow-up to that.
We got some clips from him.
We got some clips from Tim Walz.
We got a whole bunch on the whole Minnesota situation.
And Tim's going to do a little mini deep dive because he's found out just how much fraud and how much money has been taken.
tim tompkins
It's pretty wild.
rex jones
It's crazy.
tim tompkins
It's pretty wild.
rex jones
Are we good now?
Yeah, we're good now.
unidentified
All right.
rex jones
What were you looking for?
No, I uh, it's our soundboard.
tim tompkins
All right.
But look, guys, you know, at first, I don't believe headlines until I researched them myself.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
I would say a good amount of the claims are pretty true of what they're saying.
And it's not so much racially charged about this particular thing.
But, you know, federal officers are now raiding these facilities with the Somalis and everything that's going on with that.
So I'm literally, we're going to cover all of that tonight.
rex jones
Well, look, look, before anything's said, let's not disparage those who are, you know, just trying to start a small family business at the end of the day.
Like, you're just working hard or hardly working, you know?
And, you know, at least they're grifting.
At least they're trying to do something, right?
What do you think, Tim?
tim tompkins
Hey, we should just quit the streaming business and just start up a daycare.
rex jones
Yeah, things are going to be honest.
It's been tough, right?
Things have been tough.
You know, you know, people have the highest quality supplements.
Maybe they don't want to buy a whole bunch of them.
Maybe we open a daycare over in Minnesota.
tim tompkins
I could fit the face.
I think I've got some.
rex jones
I don't know.
I don't know.
tim tompkins
I can fit right into the community.
rex jones
I don't know.
I don't know.
But we got some articles here.
What do you want to go to first?
tim tompkins
We could start with this.
But before that, tell everybody about Harrison, what's going on with him?
rex jones
Oh, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
All right.
rex jones
Cause we're just a little discombobulated, but still very relaxed.
It's a good show.
We will be live on Moonbase here starting around nine, maybe a little bit after nine, depends on how our own show runs.
And we're going to be discussing the Candace Owens Harrison Smith thing.
It's been ongoing.
They were in a space together.
A lot of things were said.
And I just want to back up Harrison and get the opportunity to do that because we suffered through the Fort Hachuka Waka Blocka Naka Hakawaka for an entire show.
And it gave both of us irreparable brain damage that we'll never recover from.
We've lost IQ points.
tim tompkins
Dude, I got so tired from just listening to that whole entire thing that she's sitting there trying to explain.
It was gruesome to try to knit the pieces together of her story.
rex jones
And get this and get even the newer thing is now, apparently, and we'll confirm with Harrison on this when we're live with him on Moonbase in an hour, him in Lebanon John.
Apparently now she's like, well, I never said that Erica Kirk was there.
I never made the claim.
And it's like, I literally, I watched the fucking interview, which with the Mitch Snow guy, but with like, with 95 to 99% certainty, I never, those eyes are the same as my ex-wife.
There's something evil about these guys.
Or whatever he said.
I'm paraphrasing.
But like, and she's like, yes, 100% affirming him.
Like, I believe you, basically.
But we're going to get into all that.
That is slop.
That is king slop.
And Tim is always focused on the real issues on the ground that are actually hurting Americans.
And I'm always trying to eat more and more slop.
tim tompkins
No, but you know, we bring different things to the table.
You're more versed in the things that happen on that social platforms and things like that with these talking heads.
For me, like my consumption is really about like, I enjoy politics.
I enjoy these nitty-gritty topics.
But I was really shocked to see Harrison as a speaker on campus.
rex jones
He did a good job.
He did a good job.
There was some like midwit who ran in and was like, oh, so, so, so, so you, you, you, you were the person that said Charlie Kirk's life was in danger before he died.
And you won't reveal, you revealed your source.
So you're in on it, basically.
Why won't you reveal your source?
And Harrison basically revealed that later, like shortly after that, he was contacted by someone and actually like the government or whatever, like they're looking for leads.
They're looking for cases.
And in fact, that did go down.
So we're going to discuss all of that and more later tonight.
It's going to be very exciting, very entertaining stream.
And, you know, as far as the Somali stuff, and this is kind of the same as the Candace Owens stuff, as in that I haven't followed it until recently.
And like, I know that it's been a big meme on the internet and on Twitter.
I've seen some of it where like the Somalis are like, this land was promised to us 3,000 years ago.
tim tompkins
No way.
rex jones
Kind of like Israel.
But it's a joke.
It's a joke.
And it's funny, right?
And I'm like, okay, that's that.
tim tompkins
Well, didn't you see all like the daycare memes of like, oh, the guy in a Lambo, he's sitting there dry.
rex jones
Andrew Tate did it too.
tim tompkins
And I was so confused.
I'm like, why is everybody sitting here talking about getting rich off of daycares and doing a bunch of memes?
And then I happen to catch all the stuff today.
I was like, oh, it makes a lot of sense.
rex jones
Yeah.
tim tompkins
So we could start here with what's happening.
rex jones
You want to go to the article, AP?
tim tompkins
Yeah, let's start with this AP.
rex jones
Be good to add it to stage.
tim tompkins
Here we go.
rex jones
And Kash Patel jump scare.
Surge in federal officers in Minnesota focuses on alleged fraud at daycare centers.
And then we got cash.
Dude.
tim tompkins
The best photo they could find.
rex jones
Dude, dude.
Dude, dude.
unidentified
Okay.
rex jones
A surge of federal officers in Minnesota follows new allegations of fraud by daycare centers run by Somali residents.
President Donald Trump has previously linked his administration's immigration crackdown against Minnesota's large Somali community to a series of fraud cases involving government programs in which most of the defendants have roots in the East African country.
There's been a surge in federal officers.
Department of Homeland Security Secretary Christy Noman, FBI Director Kash Patel both announced an increase in operations in Minnesota this week.
The move comes after a right-wing influencer posted a video Friday.
They're talking about, what's his name?
tim tompkins
The Nick guy, Nick.
Oh, dude.
rex jones
I just blanked on.
I literally had to.
I know it.
I know.
tim tompkins
He came on your dad's show.
rex jones
My dad's show today.
They're talking about that guy.
And they call him like a right-wing influencer or whatever.
This is a guy that like throws like dry ice into like a giant pond.
tim tompkins
Do you know who Tyler Oliveira is?
rex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
He's like that, is what I would consider.
rex jones
Yeah, no, that's very similar.
That's a good point.
Posted a video Friday claiming that he had found daycare centers operated by Somali residents in Minneapolis that had committed up to $100 million in fraud.
Tiki Brown, commissioner of the Minnesota Department of Children, Youth, and Families, said at Monday news conference that the state regulators took the influencers' allegation seriously.
tim tompkins
Okay, so let's go ahead and pull up the video that everybody's talking about that drove this.
This one YouTuber.
rex jones
I will.
I will.
I just, this is a key point because, Chris, you know, I'm like, she's Ice Barbie.
This is the head of Homeland Security.
This is her talking.
And she's got a lot of power in the Trump administration because Trump likes her.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
It's like, you're a bulldog.
Good, good.
Go, go, get it.
She shows up like lambed up to the ice raids and stuff.
So what she says is pretty important.
It carries a lot of water.
Noam posted on social media that officers were conducting a massive investigation on childcare and other rampant fraud.
And then Kash Patel says the intent was to dismantle a large-scale fraud scheme exploiting federal programs.
That's a pretty big deal.
But we'll go to where it all started, which I believe.
tim tompkins
First, second tab there.
rex jones
This one?
tim tompkins
Nope.
rex jones
All right, we'll go to this now.
tim tompkins
This is just a short snippet of it, but this is the YouTuber.
Yeah.
And he goes out to Minnesota and he's just doing a boots on the ground just trying to see what these businesses are.
nick shirley
How are you?
I would like to see if I could bring little Joey here, my son, little Joey, here.
Is there a paperwork?
Can I check out the daycare?
Oh, no.
Why can't I check out the daycare?
rex jones
Oh, these aren't the droids you're looking for.
nick shirley
Okay, but if I can't get paperwork or anything to submit my son, little Joey, to come in here to daycare.
unidentified
No.
nick shirley
We'd really like to put Joey in this daycare.
We've heard great things.
rex jones
They do a good job with the painted tree.
nick shirley
No, I would like your business card, actually.
unidentified
Wouldn't you be able to hear, you know, screaming kids right now?
tim tompkins
Right.
rex jones
Well, a business model like this, not only do you have that, but you have the hustle and bustle of mothers dropping off their children or picking up their children or a child that's sick.
Like, if you go and like drive past a school, especially like a younger school, right?
Like, there's always a ton of activity because there's always something going on, right?
Right.
So, like, 100% you would notice a buzz around a place and it wouldn't be a dead business.
tim tompkins
Yeah, they'd be screaming.
rex jones
Right.
You can hear it from inside there, but we'll play it.
We'll play more of it.
nick shirley
Okay.
Can I speak with somebody?
unidentified
You are.
rex jones
He's like.
nick shirley
Where are the children at?
Are there children here today?
unidentified
No.
nick shirley
No children.
Why are there no children?
Would my son, little Joey, have friends to play with here?
unidentified
No.
rex jones
No, little Joey will have no friends.
nick shirley
No friends for little Joey.
tim tompkins
We don't like white people.
unidentified
Dang it.
nick shirley
Well, have a great rest of your day.
So, little Joey would not be accepted to that daycare.
rex jones
He's 23.
nick shirley
Joey's still looking for daycare.
And because little Joey couldn't get into a daycare, we went to an autism center as they have been popping up everywhere.
As a rise of autism has occurred here in Minnesota because of the government funds that they're receiving.
I tried to check my son Joey into an autism center.
We've been going to a lot of these daycare centers.
We're trying to find a spot for our little boy Joey, but we thought maybe we could check him in the autism center.
rex jones
So all I have to do to have an autism center is to be autistic myself and then treat myself.
This sounds like the infinite money.
tim tompkins
Oh my God.
rex jones
Infinite glitch.
nick shirley
Because now the daycare centers are open.
unidentified
Yeah.
nick shirley
And how many kids do you guys have at this autism center?
tim tompkins
I'm sorry.
Would you let this guy babysit your kid?
rex jones
Boy, he's trustworthy.
tim tompkins
I'm sorry, would you?
rex jones
Look, no, look, all my teachers, they always wore hoodies.
All right.
They always wore black hoodies and they're always, you know, always kind of like death-staring people around.
That's totally normal.
tim tompkins
You know, totally normal, you know.
nick shirley
I think you do a number like more than five.
Probably, so you don't really know.
rex jones
Yeah, you know, sometimes we lose the kids five, five, six of them.
Maybe, you know, little Joey went down the road.
tim tompkins
Yeah, went to go get a snack.
He'll be back.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
rex jones
You know, there's this guy.
His name used to be Epstein, right?
He used to show up here all the time.
He was always taking the kids out of class.
And that's why we don't have any stuff.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim tompkins
It's so cooked, bro.
nick shirley
Let's think about like the fraud that's been labeled on the autism centers here.
What do you guys do think about the fraud or how come the autism centers are popping up?
unidentified
Are you a news reporter?
nick shirley
My name's Nick.
We're doing a little documentary trying to find little Joey a spot to put himself in one of these centers here.
rex jones
What is this room?
tim tompkins
It's a daycare, of course.
That's the reception desk.
That's where they intake all the kids, right?
rex jones
So weird.
That's so weird.
I guess, man.
nick shirley
In one of these centers here, because there's the fraud and stuff like that.
Yeah, because we want to make sure we're going to legit business if we're going to bring our kids to hang their coats.
rex jones
That's where they keep the children.
tim tompkins
He said, this is not a budget.
rex jones
He says, this is not a Joey spot.
He's like, yeah, like, this is not, this is not for you.
This is not for you, bro.
tim tompkins
Crazy.
rex jones
We can't let you guys see this spot.
unidentified
Okay.
nick shirley
Thank you.
So once again, little Joey, he can't even go to daycare and now they won't even accept him.
He has autism.
rex jones
Poor little Joey.
Well, that's a big problem, you know, because you'd think that a vibrant, you know, up-and-coming little business like that would love to have a new little kid to, you know, bill and to build the parents of and to make money off of.
But if the purpose of the business is not to make money, then that makes it a racket, right?
tim tompkins
Right, right.
rex jones
They break down the racket and the size of the racket because their job isn't about necessarily like even being able to get like excessive grants to be able to do a bunch of these businesses.
That's not what they're doing.
They're getting the grants and tax benefits.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
So how these programs work.
So the state creates a program.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
And then Minnesota basically launches a program to help people.
So like you've got food for kids, housing support, autism, like these guys are sitting here trying to say you got disability services.
So at this point, you know, these programs are paid with federal money because the federal government is like, okay, well, the state needs a budget for this trickle down.
And guess where that money comes from from the federal government?
rex jones
Where does it come from?
tim tompkins
That comes from our taxes.
So that's all part of the same slush fund.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
So, you know, they're built with good intentions, guys.
It's not like, you know, the government's out here just thinking that they're going to hand out, you know, random money to wrong people.
rex jones
Maybe they are.
Maybe they are.
Maybe they're like, look, this money that we invent every year, these trillions that we put into our economy, who knows what's going to happen to some of them.
And that's why we reach a point where we have such ridiculous shit like this.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
It's because there's just so much.
There's money storms floating around.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
And then people are able to siphon into the money store.
tim tompkins
Well, and that's part of the thing.
It's the providers, they approve these too easily.
So like to get paid, all somebody needs to do is form a company or just a non-profit.
They need to be able to be a provider.
And then they have to say that they deliver certain services.
Right.
So in many cases, like the background checks are weak.
You've got the oversight on these approvals is very low, like to actually check on the businesses and the approvals happen really quickly.
So basically like the money flows before the verification.
So you're getting a check like pretty soon compared to once you get all of this stuff propped up.
Right.
And so, like the way it works is the provider, they submit claims saying, like, okay, well, we've served this many people.
We've provided this many hours and we delivered these services.
So, like, you'll see a lot of these places, they're like, oh, we have 97 kids that we sit here that we attend our school and they actually make sure that we give them the proper services.
rex jones
We need the benefits for every one of these children.
tim tompkins
Exactly, because these are supposed to be like for the community, essentially, where they're getting free benefits.
rex jones
For the community, right?
It's a specific community.
So it's figured it out.
It's figured it out.
tim tompkins
So there's two main types of the fraud that's happening here.
You've got overbilling where they're the common kind that you would see where they're like, okay, they inflate the hours.
They say the number of kids is there.
And this guy literally breaks down the whole, you know, argument they have by just showing up.
And then you've got neighbors sitting there being like, wait, we haven't seen anybody come in and out of this building for forever.
So now you can see a majority of the stuff.
The reason why Minnesota is being pointed to is specifically because it's a Somali population, right?
So just so you guys understand with the Somali population, there's about 185K to 100,000 Somalis that live in this region.
And that is because it's become like one of those hot zones for, it's become a hot zone essentially for like the immigration at that point.
So a lot of these people are actually Somali Americans because they moved there like the original as people that have immigrated there.
100%.
So I mean, that all happened.
And I'll explain that later.
rex jones
When did that start?
tim tompkins
So, all right.
Basically, Somalia, they collapsed around 1991 with their own civil war that they had where their government basically disappeared.
Violence spread.
rex jones
I think that was literally over slavery.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
I could.
That's speculation, but I think it was literally over slavery.
tim tompkins
Well, here's the weird part.
The U.S. didn't actually cause this one.
This is a shocker because I was like, oh, surely we have to be behind this one.
Like every most of the stuff where we were behind it in some form or fashion.
But the Cold War and the politics that happened with that left them like heavily armed because the Russians were in there providing them weapons and then we were providing them weapons.
And basically millions became refugees around 1990s to 2000.
So long story short, Minnesota, the way that they emerged as one of the main people to like, come, come, you come here is they had they had like strong resettlement agencies and nonprofits that were basically telling them to all mine.
rex jones
They all go to Minnesota.
And that's why they all ended up there.
And the UN charter itself, it says like when you're resettling a population of people in another country, you're not supposed to condense them like that because then they won't assimilate.
That's known.
Well, that's the known thing.
So what happens is it creates a community where you kind of build a mafia around things because you're like, hey, we're all in this area.
And what ended up happening is, hey, they put all these grants out there for us and we might as well take full advantage of that.
And they milk and they grift.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
Well, part of the issue is also Somalia in itself has a lot of these like, I'm not going to say it's like all the culture, but there's a lot of that that goes around.
rex jones
They believe that they are not black as black would be particularly defined.
They believe that they're Arab, right?
Yeah.
This is a key difference, right?
And this is why, like, and this is historically true.
I'm not sure when it stopped, but I know it's historically true.
That's why throughout the history of the slave trade, Somalia was one of the places where it was really banging.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
They got good at that.
tim tompkins
Now, let's see what Tim Waltz says about this.
This one's going to blow you guys away.
rex jones
Well, you got to keep in mind that no matter what happens, it's always the white man's fault.
And it's very brave of Tim Walz to make this obvious.
tim tompkins
And he's the governor of Minnesota for people who don't know, but I'm sure a lot of you do know this.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim walz
It's not law-abiding citizens.
If that were the case, there's a lot of white men should be holding a lot of white men accountable for the crimes that they have committed.
I think for the community to maybe educate their population, because I think what you're seeing here is they're secondary victims in this, that there's providers inside the community that are then victimizing the community themselves by signing them up.
Because when we're going to some of these people, they're like, I had no idea I was in this program.
So I think it's.
rex jones
Oh, I have no idea.
I have no idea.
I'm signed up to get it.
tim tompkins
The money just appeared in my bank account and I bought a Lamborghini.
rex jones
The money just came and I didn't know how to make it stop.
But the thing he says at the beginning about like, if that's the case, then the white men should hold other white men accountable for all the crimes they've committed.
Well, like, here's the thing: we're not pointing at you, whatever your race is, and going, hey, you, like, you need to be held accountable for the crimes that you've committed.
It's not like that.
This is a specific racketeering operation that's going down in a specific state for a very specific reason.
This is not just like a generic crime.
Right.
This is not like, oh, there have been a bunch of like stabbings lately and we got to stop that and hold each other accountable.
There's one group of people that are building like hundreds of daycares that aren't really.
And they're like getting like the billions.
tim tompkins
And the thing is, is once you get a good idea and then you see that you're making money, you're going to go tell your buddies about it too and sign them up because it's like, bro, the government's just giving us free money.
Right, right.
tim walz
No, and that's an over asking us then, you know, for every crime, which of course, the majority being committed by white men, asking us to do more about that.
I think it's crime in general.
And I think the biggest thing on this is just making sure that we're educating the population.
rex jones
Well, how many billions did they lose to this?
Do you have the number just crime?
tim tompkins
Yeah, the number is pretty insane, guys.
So out of the roughly 18, hold on.
rex jones
It's just a little number.
unidentified
It's not that important.
tim tompkins
Out of the $18 billion that these federal government has given to Minnesota since 2018, about 50% of that has gone into like mismanagement and fraud.
Half of that.
Now, not all of it is the smallest.
rex jones
Glass half empty, glass half stolen, you know, you could say.
tim tompkins
But a good amount of it has gone into these programs and has been misappropriated.
And they're doing crazy investigation because it's bigger than just Minnesota.
rex jones
I've even you know the Trump administration is like, we've taken so many L's.
tim tompkins
Like we've taken they got to get a win so and they're going to give them all in.
rex jones
And they're like, shit, we got immigrants being like being bad at this.
We're going to kill them.
tim tompkins
Go get them.
rex jones
Go get them, boys.
Like, like, this is, you're cooked.
It's over.
tim tompkins
Yeah, you can't, you can't give that man a reason.
rex jones
There's no way out of this one, buddy.
You're dick and fork in it.
You're so like, it's true.
It's true.
And he's like, he's like, things are not going well for me.
I don't want to do the Venezuela thing, but the STM5s, everyone's talking about it.
Mr. President, Mr. President, there's a way to get out of this, sir.
What's going on?
Give it a tell me what's going on.
The Somalians, they have daycare centers, sir, and they're stealing money.
Stop everything.
Set course to Somalia.
And like Washington, D.C. fucking takes out out of the ground and it flies over.
And it just like send the full force.
Send the Avengers.
Yeah.
So seriously, though, like they could not be happier about this whole situation.
The situation is terrible.
And you said they've stolen half the money.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
Now, like I said, it's not all of them.
It's a big conglomerate.
But of the 14 Minnesota programs, and just to clarify this, right?
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
It's actually across multiple states.
It's not just around Minnesota.
So it's widespread.
I think I'm seeing stuff that's happening in Ohio.
Look, guys, the can of worms is open.
rex jones
Jake Paul's in on it.
tim tompkins
Can of worms is open.
And you're going to see a lot of other states that are going to be looking into this and be like, oh, crap.
We spent a lot of money.
So what is it?
So right now, there's no evidence that like, you know, it's all Somalis, but I will say the prosecutors, just to clarify, like on some of the biggest cases, like, for example, there's one where like 82 of the 92 defendants charged for the major child like nutrition, housing, autism cases.
Those were Somali Americans for some of these like big racketeering cases where they like basically $300 million were stolen over a course of like three years or something like that.
But you can go ahead and you want to play more of it?
rex jones
You want to go back?
tim tompkins
No, I can barely hear him, but we could try to say a little bit more.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
It's got subtitles.
tim walz
And again, this is 80 people or so that have been convicted in this, maybe some more in that.
tim tompkins
Yeah, that's more than 80.
He's lying.
rex jones
What's the real number approximately?
From what you've seen, it's hundreds, right?
It's got to be hundreds.
tim tompkins
It's got to be hundreds.
tim walz
What he's talking about is one specific case.
rex jones
That's what they always do is like the huge graph going down and they take like the one snapshot where it temporarily goes up.
tim tompkins
Yeah, it's definitely happening more than 80 people.
He's capping.
rex jones
I want to close it out.
tim walz
All ethnic groups.
So I think it's really important for us to note each community's got this in their own midst, but to blame them and say that they should have responsible for stopping it.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
No, he's he's not wrong.
There are there are other groups that are doing this, but again, it's like I always make the analogy where I say, well, like 95% of black people aren't committing crime, aren't committing crime in general, but the 5% are committing 20% of the crime and it's a majority, right?
So in this case, you've got a good percentage.
It's not all Somalis, but they could represent a big majority of that population doing that crime is the issue here.
tim walz
I think that's a pretty hard reach.
I think we continue to educate folks about why they shouldn't commit crimes.
You would hope that it's being taught.
rex jones
We can continue to educate people on like scamming's bad.
unidentified
We're the government.
rex jones
We're the only ones allowed to do it.
It's just like, we could talk to them.
It'd be nice.
And this is ultimately why it's such a disgrace that we're going to lose the midterms and lose in 2028, probably is because like the Democrats are so fucking bad.
It's a high school counselor.
He's a basketball coach.
And that's what the cheer was for him during 2024.
Coach Walls, Coach Walls, Coach.
tim tompkins
I forgot he ran for VP.
That's crazy.
rex jones
Yeah, dude.
He's one of the failures, bro.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
He's one of the failures of all time.
But like this guy was this close to being the second alignment.
tim walz
He both at home and at schools and in our society.
But no, I think this idea that the Somali community is to blame for this because they didn't do more.
I think that's how we got in.
rex jones
Well, it's not because they didn't do more.
It's because if they did more, shit.
tim tompkins
But also the responsibility is on the program.
They did not, like, I'm not exonerating the fraud, but like, for sure, they could have done a lot better.
rex jones
You want to go to this one?
This was pretty good.
tim tompkins
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This was pretty good.
This guy had me fooled in the first half.
I'm not going to lie.
So listen to this guy.
He's talking about, you know, not all Somali communities are doing this and we don't condone the actions of the Somalis that are committing the fraud.
Go ahead.
rex jones
The Learing Center.
tim tompkins
By the way, yeah, that sign is spelled wrong.
It's the learning centers, but spoiled Learing Center.
harrison smith
What would you say to Nick Shirley, the YouTuber, if he was standing in front of you?
ibrahim ali
I have nothing against him himself, but I do have something against the rhetoric.
It's if you're going to be a journalist, just be have a moral compass.
Like, do what you do correctly.
If you catch business that are fraud, no one here is with that.
Like, we don't support that as a community.
I don't support that myself.
I was born and raised here.
I'm not for fraud.
Like, the notion that, hey, a certain batch of somebody got caught, so all of them support it.
It's like, no, no one is in any community, any mishaps that happen, there are some community options that doesn't want that to happen.
tim tompkins
Well, look, when I was watching the video, what he's saying right here has claim.
I'm not talking about specifically to the Somali thing, but we do have a tendency to do this Hive mentality.
rex jones
I get it, but it's also like if it comes out and if it is all proven true, qualifying it with that, this is organized crime.
This isn't like a situation where you have a neighborhood where it's bad, where like you have some YN activity and they're shooting each other.
harrison smith
YN, man.
rex jones
This isn't like that.
They're like, okay, like we can get money out of the system.
Like, we're organized around doing this, right?
And you said about halfway in here, it changes your mind.
tim tompkins
Well, after I researched what this was about, okay, break that down.
ibrahim ali
As you guys can see, we don't want that to happen.
We don't take part in that.
We don't like that.
We don't want that in our communities.
But just to say, hey, a certain company got caught, so they must all do it.
I feel like that's what he's doing.
That's I'm not a fan of it.
2 to 10 p.m. may not be your typical daycare hours.
tim tompkins
So can you explain why it is?
ibrahim ali
The reason for that is we're after school hours.
So most of our clients, not most of our clients, all of our clients is after school hours.
So schools' earliest dismissal would be 2:15 to 2:30-ish.
And the latest dismissal would be up to like 4:30-ish, 440-ish.
So that's what you're saying.
tim tompkins
No, you don't even have to research it, brother.
Trust me, we're about to get to the meat of it.
Trust me.
ibrahim ali
So that's why ours are 2 to 10 p.m.
If we try to do it, once again, I'd like to conclude the youtuber that was making the claims.
You were here earlier today.
I came here at one o'clock.
You're here.
Where are you now?
You claim we're closed.
You claim we're a fraud.
Where are you?
Why are you not here right now?
It's like you're trying to put out a certain message about a certain group.
I'm not going to make that claim.
I don't want to make that claim without me knowing him personally, but that's what it seems like he's doing from his front.
Where are you right now?
He was here earlier.
He was recording us.
We had no issue with it.
He told me, hey, just get off our property.
unidentified
You can report.
ibrahim ali
No, he's not here.
tim tompkins
All right.
So, all right, break it down, Tim.
unidentified
All right.
tim tompkins
I was like, you know what?
He had me in the first half.
I'm like, you know, you can't just jump to conclusions.
But then when I researched this guy, let's go ahead and go to the article here.
I got you.
Right next to it.
So, misspelled Minnesota daycare closed last week.
State claims on the same day the owners told the post it's up and running.
Okay.
This is the same guy that we're talking about with the learing center, right?
Minneapolis, the misspelled daycare and the viral outrage of a Somali community's billion-dollar fraud scandal shut down last week.
The head of Minnesota's child services department claimed Monday at the same time that the owners of the facility put a dog and a pony wait, they said, put a dog and pony show to demonstrate that it was really a working day, working daycare and not a front.
Tiki Brown, commissioner of Minnesota's Department of Children, Youth and Families, told reporters that her staff found no evidence of fraud at any of the daycares highlighted by YouTuber Nick Shirley.
She stated that the quality learing center had closed.
Scroll down.
rex jones
So this is why you got the feds coming in now.
It is because we investigated ourselves and we found no evidence of wrongdoing.
unidentified
Now scroll down, keep going.
tim tompkins
Okay, so at least 20 kids were seen entering the Learing Center.
unidentified
Oh, oh, oh, Monday afternoon after being bussed in, after being bused in.
tim tompkins
One of the employees shouted at the post attempts to ask, don't effing come to this area.
Get the F out of here, he said.
The daycare stays open Monday through Thursday from 2 to 10 p.m.
And the son. Ibrahim Ali showed up Monday to claim all the allegations were one big misunderstanding.
So this is the video we just watched, right?
I'm like, okay, where are we going with this?
rex jones
Do you go to a coffee shop at 11 p.m. and say, hey, they're not working?
Ali argued to the post.
But a local resident said activity at the Quality Learning Center was highly unusual.
We'd never seen kids go in there until today.
The parking lot is empty all the time.
And I was under the impression the place is permanently closed.
Quick, quick, get the children in.
tim tompkins
Bust them in, bust them.
unidentified
We have to prove that they're there.
And look at that.
No, no, no.
tim tompkins
Don't skip over this.
Look at this sign.
Dude literally went to Staples.
No, I'm sorry.
Office Depot, took a manila folder, clear, clear folder, and put a piece of paper in there giving the hours of operation.
rex jones
Did he even use a different font?
That's Helvetica.
That's Helvetica font.
tim tompkins
I wonder if I called that number.
unidentified
What would he do?
rex jones
He made it.
Where would it go?
That's a good question.
tim tompkins
Should I?
unidentified
Yeah, go ahead and call it.
tim tompkins
All right, let me see.
rex jones
We're going to call them.
unidentified
We're going to see where the call goes, man.
tim tompkins
I'll do it on my other phone.
unidentified
612-702-4012.
All right.
tim tompkins
Guys, what's our kid's name?
unidentified
Somebody in the chat, give me a kid's name.
tim tompkins
We're going to see if we can get services for these people.
I need one person to give me my kid's name for today.
I'll wait.
I know this has got a little bit of a lag to it.
All right.
You guys got 10 seconds before I make it.
rex jones
Kyle?
tim tompkins
We got Kyle.
Somebody said Kyle.
unidentified
All right.
tim tompkins
We'll just do that.
unidentified
All right.
Put on my speaker.
Please leave your message for 6127024012.
Sorry.
Mailbox is full.
Oh, okay.
rex jones
So you can't even leave them a message.
tim tompkins
I was going to say I want services for my kid Adolph, but you know, whatever.
unidentified
You know, damn.
rex jones
Well, anyways, save money doing customer service that way.
tim tompkins
I wait and big, big sleep.
rex jones
You can't take any kids.
tim tompkins
George Washington.
All right.
Anyways, that number, clearly, somebody else spammed it, but he's literally sitting there claiming, oh, this is all about the kids.
And literally what happens, they bust in kids, and then they actually, that facility gets shut down after he gives this just glorifying speech that talks about how people should be really treating the community.
Now, look, this is why I had to look into it because if I watched that video and I would just look at it on its own, standalone, I would have told the guy defending his business, but then the context of the neighbors saying, oh, we thought that building was closed.
rex jones
No one ever goes in there.
And immediately after people check it out, we got a truckload of kids coming in.
Like I said, like, hey, Jeffrey, these smelly indigers in it.
Like, maybe that's the new grift.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim tompkins
It is the new grift.
rex jones
But listen to this.
Half or more of the roughly 18 billion in federal funds that supported 14 Minnesota-run programs since 2018 may have been stolen.
A federal prosecutor said Thursday describing the massive and multi-layered fraud schemes as staggering.
First assistant U.S. attorney Joe Thompson said scale of fraud puts services at risk for people who need them.
True, including adults leaving addiction treatment centers who needed help finding a stable place to live and children with autism who are seeking one-on-one therapy.
So, what this sounds like to me, and we don't know what all the programs are, we'll find out what all the programs are.
tim tompkins
I'm going to tell you what some of them are.
rex jones
I'm thinking, I'm thinking Halfway House.
I'm thinking, I want to say I mean rehab, not jail.
I'm thinking autism centers.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
unidentified
For sure.
rex jones
I'm thinking just the daycare, generic daycare.
Maybe they do swim lessons in an empty pool.
I don't know.
tim tompkins
You want to hear the major.
unidentified
All right.
tim tompkins
So let's break down the major fraud cases that they have actually prosecuted and people are currently on trial for.
Right.
So pandemic food aid feeding our future.
You heard about that one, right?
rex jones
No.
tim tompkins
Basically, about $250 million in fraudulent claims, 78 defendants charged with dozens plead guilty.
Basically, they had fake nonprofits, fake meal accounts, and fake vendors that they said they were feeding people out of this building.
Like back out.
rex jones
They're getting pre-compensated for that by the government.
tim tompkins
Right.
And then you've got housing stability stability.
Oh, my God, my tongue twister.
Stabilization services.
Hundreds of million dollars paid statewide.
Federal cases allege.
They billed for people who never served.
And they also had services that never happened.
So like that is what you were talking about.
rex jones
Yeah, it's writing fake receipts.
tim tompkins
Yep.
Autism services.
You've got Medicaid funded.
So the spending jumped from about $1 million to more than $220 million a year.
rex jones
That's normal.
A 200% increase, a 2,000% increase.
tim tompkins
At least one $14 million case has been charged so far.
Integrated community sports, disability services, wheelchair basketball.
rex jones
No, not Somalian wheelchair basketball.
tim tompkins
Launched in 2021.
Payments projected about to reach $180 million this year.
Search warrants have been executed after prosecutors raised concerns about abuse.
Those are just some of the cases.
rex jones
What are the prosecutors' complaints?
Because this is big, and people will go, oh, everyone covering this, and you want to talk about Kansas or Israel or whatever.
We're going to get to that.
tim tompkins
So the investigators are saying that they go through this right now.
Basically, what the prosecutors are saying, why they're escalating it, is because they're seeing the same fraud methods repeated across multiple programs.
There's the shell companies.
You've got ghost clients, fake billing, weak oversight, and you've got ignored whistleblowers.
And even Thompson, the attorney there, he talks about companies have been companies have been created to provide zero services while submitting claims to Medicaid.
So that's actually where some of the money is.
And he also says the magnitude cannot be overstated.
What we see in Minnesota is not just a handful of bad actors committing crimes.
It is staggering the industrial scale fraud.
Guys, this is industrial scale.
This isn't just something that like they happened to have yesterday and it's just this one thing.
rex jones
Well, it's a big deal when you steal multiple billions from people.
Like that, that's pretty bad.
tim tompkins
Isn't it wild, dude?
Like, I'm so like, actually, I'm so bothered by this.
And here's the thing.
I'm not even just mad about this situation.
I'm just mad about the spending overall from the government.
Like, I get, you know, people are trying to do good things with the money when it comes down to having services for autism.
But like, sometimes I'm like, where do you calculate the numbers that requires 18 billion to begin with?
Right.
And then at the same time, when you're literally, it's like, Rex, you give me access to your bank account and then I just decide to go spend and I don't have you audit me ever to tell me where I'm spending the money.
rex jones
Well, auditing's racist.
You have to keep that in mind.
Auditing's racist.
And that is why people really have to break with the whole like, and it's the racial narrative.
It's the Somalis.
It's crazy.
It's bad.
And people have that perception of like, ooh, now we have an enemy group to attack when really like people exploit the system.
And like, I'm not absolving any groups of any kind of blame.
People operate in mafias generally.
That's how the world works.
But you can't steal all this money and get away with it, especially when we hear about all these massive sums of money.
We hear about billions stolen here.
We hear about, you know, they'll spend like 600 million in California and then none of them work.
We hear about the 300 billion that goes to Ukraine and whatnot.
And you would think that if we actually had a government, even if it just spent scraps of these amounts of money on actual good things, that the world would improve.
The only thing I see getting worked on is the road occasionally.
tim tompkins
And that comes from a state level.
That's not even on a federal level.
rex jones
I agree.
I agree, but I think it all comes together, man, because they're taking off of state level programs.
unidentified
You know what's crazy?
tim tompkins
They burned Boston for like 2% taxes.
unidentified
I pay anywhere between like 20-something to 30% taxes.
rex jones
Yeah, yeah.
tim tompkins
This is, I look at my paycheck and I'm like, where did it all go?
unidentified
Oh, I'm sorry.
tim tompkins
I'm paying into Medicaid, Medicare, which won't even probably be there by the time you're going to be.
rex jones
I'm not tired of you, Timmy.
That's that tea party spirit.
tim tompkins
By the time I even get the checks, that probably won't even be able to pay for my dinner each month.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
I have spent all of this money and it has not just gone towards the Somali frauds and stuff.
It's gone to the Department of Defense failing eight freaking, what is it?
Eight audits in a row on their financials.
Right.
rex jones
So, well, the Pentagon, you think they're obligated to tell you what they do with their money?
And that's the thing is, like, and this is the point that you make about, like, hey, like, I don't think our military is finished.
I think we got a bunch of secret stuff.
Who knows what they got?
tim tompkins
We do.
I'm going to tell you guys this.
rex jones
Who knows what?
tim tompkins
I have somebody who is very close to me that worked with, you know, Air Force One.
They have top secret clearance.
They were responsible for like moving assets when, like, we say, go kill this thing, go kill this person, ship this there, ship this there.
And this person has to know what's being shipped.
Okay.
Let's just say there's a lot of stuff.
It can be like, you can call it alien technology or like super high-tech weapons, but there's a lot of stuff that goes out that is like astro-level weaponry that we don't even need.
rex jones
And I mean, you would, you would just baseline make that calculation on the amount of money that they spend.
Like a trillion is a thousand billion.
It's a thousand billion.
That's that's not that's not even real.
A billion is already almost not even real because it's a thousand million.
But I see how you could lose a thousand million.
I can foresee it.
unidentified
Whoops.
rex jones
It just fell out of my pocket.
I could see how you could lose that.
But once you get up to that like Elon Musk level of money or Bezos level of money or Larry Ellison level of money, these are the people that we really have to be worried about.
We talk about this smaller scale fraud, even though it's still billions of dollars.
These people grifting off these government contracts.
tim tompkins
Well, so let me explain to you how, you know, Elon, his net worth is somewhere around 200 billion, 300 billion, something like that, right?
rex jones
It's higher.
It's like 700 now.
It's fucking insane.
I saw it.
He's getting close to is it?
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Okay.
Well, I believe it.
rex jones
He's getting close to a trillion.
tim tompkins
Okay.
So look, these guys don't have all that liquid.
How that, how that company.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
How that works is people have shares within their company.
He owns X amount of dollar, X amount of shares in, let's say, SpaceX and Tesla.
He goes to the bank.
He says, look, ye here.
I've got all this stock that is worth a certain amount of money.
Give me big loan.
With big loan, I can go make more money.
And the bank is like, well, we trust you with that money because we'll take this as collateral.
And if the stock goes down, we'll just take whatever you owe us.
But a lot of these companies, they continue to go up and to the right.
So he's not even needing to sell his stock, which continues to rise.
rex jones
He doesn't even have to pay him back.
tim tompkins
And he gets this loan to basically go and pay for whatever to make more money.
rex jones
And this is the difference between everybody else who's playing survival Minecraft and this guy who's able to fly around in the sky.
Like essentially, there are levels to systems that you just can't use unless you're a part of.
tim tompkins
And I'm not even mad at the billionaires.
Here's the thing.
The system was created however it is.
You can't hate the player, hate the game.
And the system has already been created to this level of whatever, you know, messed up, you know, witchcraft that we dystopia world of, you know, fallout.
It's like, there's no way like you could crash out.
But you could sit there and complain about it all you want.
But at the end of the day, you're just better off hiring a guy.
Otherwise, you're going to be paying like 50% taxes into a system where they know where that money is being wasted to.
rex jones
Yes.
unidentified
So.
rex jones
Yeah.
And like, that's the thing is like real rich people, like the company owns everything.
And they don't, they don't own anything.
tim tompkins
100%.
And the best part about it, not to get in the rabbit weeds, when Elon Musk dies, by the way, the debt goes away.
It doesn't pass to his kids.
All he has to do is take all that money and the stock that he had from his, like all the accumulating profits that he's made over the years.
And normally when you sell it, right?
You have to pay taxes on that.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
Well, somebody came up with this really smart idea.
Well, if the person dies who the stock it was and you give it to your family under a trust, as soon as you die and that trust is in their name, they can go and cash all of that.
And it's tax-free money.
Tax-free money.
Look, I'm not sitting here hating on the billionaires, but at the end of the day, dude, the system is not working.
rex jones
No, it's not.
And the thing is, you can say, oh, industry, they provide advancements in technology.
That's why all these people are so rich and successful.
There's definitely an element of that.
There's also an element of monopolization.
There's also an element of extreme control and social engineering that goes down.
Ultimately, like you take a look at Larry Ellison, this phenomenal example.
He's tried to, or he has bought TikTok and now he's bought Paramount and he's fighting really hard, really hard with Netflix over Warner Brothers.
Yes.
tim tompkins
Bro, you control the media.
You control everything.
rex jones
Exactly.
And like, and this, this is known.
This isn't complicated stuff to break down to people.
Everyone's aware of it.
It's just when you look at it, we talk about this fraud and this fraud is big and it's terrible.
When you look at the widespread just system of how the world works and the government, it's all monopoly money anyway.
And these tricks that you can use, like using that money and making it debt-free after you die and putting it in the trust and playing those shell games, that's not applicable to Jim Bob or whatever or Thomas down the street.
tim tompkins
Guys, the best you can do, and I'm doing this on a small level, is you've got an LLC that like you actually run a legit business from and you get some pretty nice tax write-offs.
You buy a house, you get depreciation against that.
Like there's things you can do.
Like you go and travel, like you go put it on your business card like it was a regular expense, but you say it's for business.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
And you basically get to write that off.
You work out of your own home office for people who are working at home.
You've got your own little LLC.
You can literally write off your office and the work that like your laptop.
You can write off so many different things that basically allow you to get more money into your pocket.
rex jones
Benefits to that.
tim tompkins
Maybe I should do a little deep dive.
rex jones
Do a deep dive on little tips and tricks on business and contracting.
I mean, at contracting, like $10.99, there's a lot of advantages over that, especially if you know how to do your taxes well, as opposed to like, you know, a W-2 or W-4.
tim tompkins
This can mean, guys, this can mean the difference between getting like $1,000 or $2,000 or $2,000 back on your tax return versus like six to seven sometimes.
rex jones
And that's why people get CPAs.
tim tompkins
I've got a really good one.
rex jones
I have an accountant as well.
And that's why that's done.
But let's transition from this topic really quick while they're waiting.
We're waiting for them to send us the link to join Moonbase.
And I guess I'll make that announcement again now.
We are going to be on Moonbase Live with Harrison Smith of InfoWars and Warroom and Lebanon John of Moonbase, both phenomenal people.
Invite you to check them out and follow them on X.
tim tompkins
They came on our show as well at some point.
rex jones
Yes, both of them have done separate individual interviews on the gray area.
We really had a great time with Harrison and Lebanon John really gave us geopolitical perspective because he's Lebanese.
He's from Lebanon and we didn't know a lot of the stuff about like Hezbollah and other stuff like that until he explained it to us and kind of laid it down.
But we're going to join them shortly.
And the main thing that I'm sure is on Harrison's mind, unfortunately, is the whole Candace Owens, Alex Jones, Laura Loomer thing, right?
Because like Harrison has been popping off on Twitter.
Harrison's been doing extremely well on Twitter.
tim tompkins
I've seen it.
rex jones
Especially with the Charlie Kirk prediction and whatnot.
He's really gained traction.
People know his name.
People know who he is, kind of like Owen.
Like he's a really big figure now.
And that's phenomenal.
Harrison is one of those guys.
I remember the first day he came to the office and he was just like video cameraman editing style guy.
And like now he's like one of the biggest show hosts on X. He's in full form right now, man.
I'm happy for him.
Yeah, I'm super proud of him.
And he's always enjoyable to watch.
My thing is, people will go, Alex is controlled by the Zionists and the evil, evil Israelis that run him and run everything.
And my kind of argument to that is: number one, like, do you watch any of the other shows?
Do you watch Harrison's show where Harrison goes hard against a lot of these things like genocide and oppressive states and against really, you know, like global, global Zionism, right?
Like Harrison goes hard on that subject.
But just disagreeing with that or just having that in your repertoire is not enough.
You must not only be like Fuentes pilled and how you view Israel or whatnot, you must also worship Candace Owens and everything she says because everything she says is proven correct because she is all hail the overlord.
Yeah, that's the thing.
You understand the Chinese emperors, they used to have something called Mandate of Heaven, all right, where they're God and they can choose to do whatever they want.
All right.
So she has mandate of heaven to say and do whatever she wants.
tim tompkins
What was that thing you were talking about?
He had an FBI guy come on and basically tell like she's doing this strategically or something like that.
rex jones
Kyle Serafin, he's a good guest on Infowars from time to time.
I disagree with some of the stuff he says, but he gave a good breakdown on what she is and why she's doing this.
And I forget the exact psychological terms that he was using, but essentially what he called her is a tar baby, right?
Like what is that?
A tar baby is something it's from like the story Briar Rabbit.
It's a thing that's meant to defeat you because it doesn't talk.
It attacks you.
And then if you attack it back, you get dirty.
If you do anything to the tar baby, you become covered in tar yourself.
tim tompkins
And then people look at you.
rex jones
And then people look at you.
It's like, don't play with, like, don't get in the mud with a pig because the pig enjoys it.
And all that happens is you get dirty.
Right.
And I, I thought, like, that's very elegant.
Right.
And people go, that's crude.
That's mean.
Like, that's the truth.
Like, she invented a narrative and she took a lot of time and a lot of effort to craft that narrative and to get it just right and to get it to where people would believe it.
And she'd be, she would become the new QAnon.
And then just disagreeing with it because it is so laid out and strategic and like, oh, but this angle of my story, you didn't address this.
You didn't talk about this.
Are you covering up?
Why didn't you talk about this?
Where you literally have to be like, okay, Candace, I watched it all.
I've seen five of your episodes and I've seen the Mitch one four times now.
So like, I know that wasn't said.
tim tompkins
That like literally takes so much energy.
And she knows that you're probably not going to go do something like that in order to actually prove her case more, even if all the stuff is not based.
rex jones
The thing is, this is very early in the game.
This is, this is very green.
So I don't know if she understands what she's getting herself into.
She somehow narrowly, maybe Brigitte McCrone does have a penis because like, I don't think she's currently being sued for that, right?
Or like maybe the process is frozen or whatever.
My point is, she spent a lot of time recently making a lot of crazy claims about things.
And she doesn't get sued by somebody eventually because like it's already come out.
Mitch person lied and it has like a horrific track record of like hurting women and stuff.
It's like all this shit is already coming out.
Like just like a week after the interview.
tim tompkins
So I saw multiple heads in there.
I saw Harrison in that.
I saw Ian Carroll.
Did Ian Carroll say anything?
rex jones
I don't think he said anything.
It was that other, some other dude who was like, Yarrison, you got the tip off and you didn't tell everyone you saw us.
There was that guy.
And then there was Candace.
And I hate the way that she patronizes, acts like a kindergarten teacher.
tim tompkins
Do you have a video of any of what happened?
rex jones
Yeah, I do.
I do.
We should watch that.
What's going on with the mouse?
tim tompkins
You turn down the speed.
rex jones
How do we do that?
Is it the gaming button again?
No, it's this guy.
Okay.
unidentified
Here.
rex jones
I got it.
tim tompkins
Just keep clicking it till it.
Yeah.
There we go.
rex jones
Technical difficulties.
unidentified
Yeah, I've got it.
tim tompkins
Okay.
So I was very shocked by this.
We have to watch it sideways.
candace owens
Unmute yourself and jump in.
That would be great.
tim tompkins
That's fine.
unidentified
And before this starts, Fort Hachuka Waka Haka Baka Chaka Waka Waka Haka Waka Waka Lugo Waka Chaka.
Okay.
rex jones
Let me go ahead and present this.
candace owens
It's good to hear from people who disagree with us.
So Harrison, if you want to unmute yourself and jump in, that would be great.
harrison smith
Yeah, thanks for having me.
I guess my whole thing is why does this meeting even matter?
Like, what is the actual claim that's being made here?
That's been my confusion the whole point, the whole time is like, okay, let's say that there's absolute proof, you know, photographic evidence that everything that Schnell says is true.
Like, who cares?
I mean, what is that proof?
What is the actual accusation?
Who do you think was conspiring with who to do what?
And I think, you know, obviously the name of the episode was, you know, the day before Charlie Kirk was murdered.
The insinuation is that this was a assassination planning meeting, which I don't, I don't even see any evidence of that.
And then people I'm arguing with online are saying, no, no, this has nothing to do with the assassination.
candace owens
Yeah.
harrison smith
So yeah, I guess, you know, if the space is why this matters, why does Ford to Wakachuka even matter?
Like, what is the claim being?
I still don't even understand that.
candace owens
So it matters because why would Brian Harpole be on Fort Huachuca at all?
Right.
It matters because what?
rex jones
Waka Chaka Haka.
tim tompkins
No, wait, just the first line.
rex jones
Waka Chaka Haka.
tim tompkins
The first line doesn't even make sense.
rex jones
I just here's the thing.
No, I've suffered through this an entire day.
I've watched the fucking interview four times.
Okay.
I've suffered through it.
Brian Harpole is the head of security guy for TP USA.
And she's claiming.
tim tompkins
Okay.
Okay.
candace owens
So it matters because why would Brian Harpole be on Fort Huachuca at all?
Right.
It matters because it's an alibi, which means he doesn't want to be associated.
Like it could have easily not mattered, kind of to speak to your credit.
rex jones
All right.
So like if some, if someone says you were on Fort Wachukahaka, and then you're like, I don't have an alibi, but I wasn't at Fort Hachuca.
And you go, okay, you don't have an alibi.
You were at Fort Hachuka Wakahaka.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
Well, it's a circular game where she's always right.
candace owens
He could have been like, Yeah, it was that four watch week with my brother.
Um, and my brother's in the military.
I was dropping off some food.
Uh, okay, like that could have been then suddenly a dead end.
That would have been nothing now.
Because Mitch had described this as a top secret meeting in an off-site building and had described this as top brass at the Pentagon and said that these sorts of meetings, and I am forgetting the military term, are when you're just about to embark on like a mission.
I know I sound all right.
rex jones
Mitch Snow showed up looking for the CID building.
All right, that was his stand.
And I've watched this shit over and over again.
He showed up to look for the CID building to find the records because the government put a 35-year gag order on him because he found a Mexican cocaine tunnel.
That is the story.
Okay, that is that is, and maybe that is true.
All right.
That sounds more plausible.
He shows up.
He has an encounter with a guy he describes as like being like shiny or whatever.
He recognizes him as like special forces.
And then the history of the saga is him wandering around the base trying to find the CID building and eventually ends up in a parking lot.
tim tompkins
That part doesn't make sense.
They don't just let you wander after you literally just had a 35-year being barred from a particular location.
That's like asking to have liability.
rex jones
I don't understand how military works.
I just had my veteran ID card and I just walked in the base.
Maybe that is true, but it's beyond anything.
tim tompkins
I need you to go investigate.
Go see if you can find another secret meeting if you live.
candace owens
Military guys will sound better saying that.
It was compelling.
Like, okay, like I said, Brian Harle was acting funny.
He's been acting weird.
He's been telling verifiable lies.
And he cared enough to present an alibi, meaning he didn't want people to think he was there.
Right.
So if you have to, if you have to give someone an alibi, it's because you don't want people to think that you're there.
tim tompkins
Whoa, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
unidentified
All right.
rex jones
I accuse you of trying to blow up the planet.
All right.
What's your alibi for that?
You're a good guy.
Why would you never?
Why would you say that you would never and that you're a good guy?
He's lying.
tim tompkins
My cat was there as my ally.
rex jones
He wants to blow up the planet.
He wants to blow up the planet.
I don't care.
He has an alibi of being a good person and wanted to make money and be successful in life.
I think he wants to blow up the planet.
And you can't disagree with me because why would he has an alibi?
Everyone with an alibi is obviously trying to cover up that they're involved in something.
That's that's that's nutty.
tim tompkins
The whole purpose cuckoo.
It's just defeats the whole purpose of having an alibi because that is the only thing that can exonerate you from any wrongdoing.
rex jones
Well, she's she's like the alibi is like the is the guilty thing.
candace owens
There is an alibi is not needed if there's nothing to hide.
So that's why it matters.
That's why it matters.
tim tompkins
What else?
rex jones
Crazy, you crazy, crazy.
I said I wouldn't try to swear or I would try not to swear on you.
You crazy ninkam poop.
tim tompkins
That's what I'm saying.
Like it doesn't make sense.
You only present an alibi.
Otherwise, what would he say?
I wasn't there.
And then she'd be like, okay, that's enough for me.
I understand.
That is perfectly well.
rex jones
Like, yeah, but even that.
She's like, so you weren't there.
And you feel like you had to tell me that you weren't there.
And it's like, well, yeah, you asked.
Liar.
tim tompkins
Like, gaslighting at a dude, dude.
rex jones
Oh, man.
You said this is high-level gaslighting.
candace owens
Reaction.
This reaction.
rex jones
And you know what?
She learned from Ben Shapiro.
It makes total sense.
I'll make this point on Moonbase.
She is doing the fast talking thing.
unidentified
That works on a lot of people.
rex jones
Makes you think you're smart.
I see.
tim tompkins
Conviction and speed.
candace owens
Rather than being forthcoming, is why it suddenly feels like, okay, this is important because no one's acting normal.
No one's just like, oh, yeah.
It also is, as we have now learned, it is an it's an Intel base.
He was telling the truth about exactly what building it was.
didn't name the building on my show because I didn't, I wasn't sure if that was like a national security problem, but it just happened to be that JTF was borrowing that off-site building and it was supposed to be a top secret meeting for those purposes.
Somebody that was involved in blacking out the windows has sent us a tip.
Again, it's how people are reacting to the meeting that lets us know that it's important.
harrison smith
Okay.
I mean, I guess.
candace owens
Regarding the hotel, I never said it was important.
Like, like I said, my perspective was there's a thousand different reasons that she could have been at that base.
Her mother has a contract or had a contract, has a contract with the DOD.
Erica has been open about her mother's ties to the military in the past.
She actually did an interview and said that she moved to Arizona because her mother had a contract with the military.
So again, weird thing is when Andrew's like, Erica wasn't in some fort as if he's never heard of Fort Huachuca.
tim tompkins
His brother was in the military.
candace owens
There is a Captain Curtis Colvet.
rex jones
Hold on.
There's something that we're going to catch her right here.
It's just like, this is the, this is why I rewatched the interview four times.
You really got to zoom in on what she says.
candace owens
Ties to the military in the past.
She actually did an interview and said that she moved to Arizona because her mother had a contract with the military.
rex jones
Okay.
So this is, so Erica Kirk's mother had a contract with the military and Erica Kirk moved to Arizona.
Therefore, Erica Kirk not only knows about Fort Wachuca, but was at Fort Wachuca that morning because she knew that it existed because her mother was in the military and had a contract and she moved to Arizona.
This is like this is beyond anything.
I have a perfect analogy for it, but I won't say it because it's offensive.
But I like this is this is like this is like the black Hebrew Israelites and they go like the white man was created by Yacoub.
All right.
Yacoub's parents lived inside the Hall of Worth.
This is what the nation of Islam, like Elijah Muhammad believes.
This is why Malcolm X left that group.
This is what Farrakhan believes and shit.
This is on that level where you just like, you may, you make up something insane, make up something crazy.
candace owens
So again, weird thing is when Andrew's like, Erica wasn't in some fort as if he's never heard of Fort Huachuca.
His brother is.
rex jones
Okay, so he goes, Erica's not in some fort and as if he's never heard of Fort Huachuca.
Like every answer that she, every question that she asks, if she doesn't get the exact answer that she wants, you're a criminal.
candace owens
In the military, his brother is a Captain Curtis Colvet.
His first cousin is Captain Robert Colvet.
So that kind of a language is why I've named this, why it suddenly really matters, right?
It was sort of one episode.
I didn't exactly dedicate a whole series to it.
The reaction has been so almost like violently obsessed that the public is now going, oh, okay.
Well, it feels like there's something here.
rex jones
I think that oh, no, no, no.
She's 100% right.
She's like, I created a shitstorm and now people are interested in it.
And all people are interested in it because my shit storm is real.
unidentified
Let me see what Harrison says.
candace owens
That's just sort of our natural, our natural instinct.
unidentified
Okay.
harrison smith
I mean, I think if you're saying that somebody is somewhere and they weren't there, then providing the alibi is not is not in and of itself suspicious.
If the alibi is not confirmed, I guess you can be suspicious of that.
But again, there's still not an answer.
Like, okay, let's just say you're right.
Let's just say that absolutely they were there.
What does that prove?
What is the accusation?
Because what it sounds like, and I mean, what the insinuation obviously is, is that this was a planning meeting for the assassination and the people there were had pre-knowledge of the assassination and they were therefore in on it.
So I think that if you are making that accusation, which in effect you are, right?
You're in effect saying, okay, Erica Kirk and, you know, the head of TPO say security were at this pre-assassination planning meeting.
candace owens
You guys have to stop repeating that.
unidentified
What?
candace owens
Erica was never at that meeting.
unidentified
What?
rex jones
Pause it.
tim tompkins
That's literally what he said in the video.
rex jones
We've been over this.
unidentified
Oh, man.
rex jones
We don't get to do this anymore.
We've been over all the notes.
And I've watched this episode, like I said, almost four times.
tim tompkins
See what you dragged me into?
This is like now I'm invested.
Like, what the fuck?
What is she talking about?
rex jones
And even you know, it's bullshit because you, you read the document that I presented.
tim tompkins
And I listened to the video.
rex jones
And we specifically says he goes, the eyes like that.
I could, I could never.
Well, I could, I could never, we should, you should pull it up.
tim tompkins
No, the eye, the eye thing that he was talking about, he was talking about the guy.
rex jones
No, no, no, you're, you're wrong.
tim tompkins
Oh, wait, no, you're, yeah, you're wrong.
rex jones
You're wrong.
He's talking about Erica Kirk.
And we can.
tim tompkins
Because he said his wife or somebody had eyes like that or something.
rex jones
I'm going to my Google Docs.
I took notes on it.
You guys want to kill my dad on Christmas and worship this woman for no reason.
tim tompkins
I love how this like all created this massive feud out of nothing.
It's just insane.
rex jones
Yeah, no, it's huge.
tim tompkins
I'm kind of glad she had Harrison on because he's pretty like logical and based.
And he's just saying like in a normal sense, like, yo, what, what differentiates this from any other situation?
How are you not supposed to have an alibi for something like this?
unidentified
So.
rex jones
All right.
This is, this is what was said.
And look, we're not going through the whole thing again.
I'm just trying.
I'm just trying to find a point where he talks about Erica Kirk and her eyes.
tim tompkins
I could never forget those eyes.
rex jones
Okay.
He sees a photo of Erica Kirk from her past.
That means like when she's in a ponytail, when she's not working for turning point, I assume.
But he sees this after the Kirk assassination, right?
And this is where his Eureka moment, like Hank Schrader sitting on the toilet Walter White thing goes down.
And then he says she was present at the fort with the Brian dude.
And he claims that person matches the person he saw the night before at the hotel.
And I'll have to do a re-watch.
People go, oh, you got it wrong.
You got it wrong.
My point is he puts it at 95 to 99%.
Those are really rare eyes.
And he claims to have an ex-wife with eyes like that.
He says it makes him remember.
So she just said, my wife had eyes like that.
He just said in this video, wherever it is, he just said in this, or she just said in this video that she never said that Erica Kirk was at Portuguese.
Number one.
tim tompkins
She's right.
She didn't explicitly say that.
She had somebody else come on there and say it.
rex jones
So she's that's right.
tim tompkins
She's, you know, she's not lying.
rex jones
But she affirms them and affirms their mission as given to them by God and all of this.
tim tompkins
You know what it kind of reminds me of?
It's like America tells somebody to go do something and we're behind the scenes scheming, but they're like, well, he's the one who pulled the trigger.
I didn't do that.
rex jones
That's very, very true.
Well, we've got the Moonbase live link now, guys.
We're about to hop over there.
You're going to want to join Moonbase.
tim tompkins
Is it on Harrison's thing?
rex jones
I'm pretty sure it's on Harrison.
tim tompkins
Let me just double check.
rex jones
We'll confirm where it's at.
I'm not sure if they're live exactly this moment yet.
But if anyone knows, where is Moonbase stream usually?
I assume it streams on Rumble.
tim tompkins
So you can watch.
I know he normally has it on his live.
You can go to Harrison's profile and click on his.
rex jones
You can go to Harrison Smith's profile or you can go to, I believe they definitely have a Rumble channel for the Moon Base.
tim tompkins
It's a link in his bio.
rex jones
There's a link in his bio.
You can go use to find that.
We're going to talk to him about all this and more.
And it's always really phenomenal to talk to Harrison and Lebanon John.
They both add so much to any conversation.
We're going to go ahead and end this live stream and we're going to see you guys shortly over there.
Please join us.
please go to Harrison Smith's profile and either use the Rumble link to join the show or watch it on his profile.
So thank you for being here with us for this stream and join us over there.
unidentified
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