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Gray Area LIVE #29: Terror in Sydney - Father & Son Kill Team?
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unidentified
Evening, guys.
rex jones
Yeah, welcome.
Welcome to episode 29 of the Gray Area Talks live show.
Really enjoying doing the show with you guys and got a heavy topic for today.
Today is not fun.
Today is not something that we should really joke about.
And I get why people like to use humor and stuff at times like this.
I don't really like to do it.
I just kind of like to evaluate the situation.
But like people are legitimate monsters.
People will commit a mass act of like casualty or violence or death.
And, you know, it's a very minor decision for some people to like pick up a knife or a gun and do something like this, right?
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
And this is something as to where very desensitized to it here in America because we have the most guns.
And like, I'm very pro Second Amendment ultimately to the end, basically, like repeal the NFA and all that stuff.
But like we have a ton of gun crime here and it's something that we're used to, but these populations that are completely disarmed, like it's like shooting fish in a barrel, basically.
tim tompkins
Yeah, Australia.
rex jones
Watch these videos.
Isn't it disturbing?
tim tompkins
Yeah, Australia hasn't had a mass shooting like this in a very long time.
And they did very strict gun laws back in the 80s or 90s, I believe.
So they had a mass shooting of like 30 people and they just did a mass overhaul of their judicial system and laws surrounding something like this.
So yeah, they're not used to these events like Rex is talking about.
rex jones
Yeah.
And then I'm just, I'm just saying, like, you got police officers that are on the scene.
Like, you can hear the sirens.
unidentified
Like, they're not, they're not coming in further, right?
rex jones
They're not on their way.
Like, they're there.
And the cops, I hear, like, I watched my dad's program today and he's like, they had firearms, but they're, they, they don't know how to use them.
They're just issued them, whatever.
And then the way that these like Western, like European or like, you know, like British colonial descendant countries like Australia, the way they operate is they have like special cops that have the guns and know how to use them, like SWAT, like a SWAT team, basically.
But a SWAT team is just like a normal police officer, basically.
So like you're, you're helpless and your government is not going to protect you in this situation.
We've got all the important, like relevant data.
Like me and Tim did a mini deep dive on this and like we've got the rifle that was used.
We've got the some of the shooters ideology possible and speculative motivation.
We're looking into that, you know, why exactly events like this do happen just in general.
And we've got some crazy footage.
tim tompkins
Yeah, majority of the show is going to be on this.
We're not doing a deep dive tonight because of this situation and we felt like this was something that we should cover.
rex jones
Special episode, really.
tim tompkins
Yeah, I think enough people want to know about the specifics.
We spent some time digging into it.
We're going to go through everything from the events to some of the background information that could have led to this.
Now, some of these things have not been fully confirmed, but it is the most up-to-date information that we have as of right now.
Right.
rex jones
So I think it's awful that we see more and more stuff like this, honestly, just around the globe.
Like it's like we talked about the last show.
You never see like, at least the subjective perception is that there's more and more violence, right?
But I think we should go ahead and just like, we have enough people here anyway.
We should just go ahead and get into the video because we are going to watch like most of if not the whole thing.
Because it's important to do actual reporting.
And I know that's part of what people are here to see as well.
So I'm going to go ahead and present this to you guys and we're going to go ahead and watch it.
unidentified
I'm mute.
tim tompkins
No, you're good now.
unidentified
Dude.
Scary.
rex jones
Okay, so he pulls out the handgun.
And that's, I guess that's the sun.
I guess the guy in more of the black looking shirt is the sun.
And then the guy with the bag is dad, possibly.
But you got people piling out from the elevator.
tim tompkins
Imagine being one of these people behind him.
Yeah, see, he goes down, and then that's from that other side.
rex jones
Okay, so he does circle back to check under the bridge.
That was my key thing that I was looking for.
That's crazy.
See, if you did this here, you would get shot within two minutes.
If you did this anywhere in Texas, you would get shot within two minutes.
Somebody would go into their car.
You would just have bullets coming your way.
100%.
unidentified
Right?
rex jones
Like, this is not a theoretical situation.
Like, these people wouldn't carry out this act of violence if they had that threat on the ground, but they're not worried about the police.
They're not worried about civilians having guns.
They're just saying, like, this is, we know we're going to get stopped eventually by somebody, but we basically have like 30 minutes to an hour to do whatever we want.
Right?
Because then the cops show up and you hear the sirens, which is the most ridiculous part of the video.
The police are there.
Like, that's why it's not getting further or going away.
unidentified
Yep.
rex jones
Oh.
Who's he talking to?
tim tompkins
He's saying well, because he's aiming specifically at the Jewish people is what he's aiming for.
rex jones
Damn.
tim tompkins
He's not going for the other people that were surrounded.
unidentified
Wow.
tim tompkins
He's specifically targeting the people.
Okay.
rex jones
All right.
Good catch, Jim.
Good catch.
tim tompkins
fascinating dude when i woke up this morning this was the first thing i saw i didn't I didn't see anything until later.
I just, I'm so sick of this shit.
unidentified
That's naughty.
And you can see he's looking around.
tim tompkins
Now, I don't know where the dad is.
This is the son, right?
rex jones
I guess.
I guess.
I'm not sure.
tim tompkins
I think this is the point at which the cops start shooting soon.
Definitely not yelling in English.
rex jones
I mean, this is his.
He's just holy for him.
Look how desensitized we are to violence, dude.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
I'm just watching this like it's a scientific film.
unidentified
I feel for the people I really do, but you have to just analyze what this guy's doing.
tim tompkins
Now, a person filming is like, imagine them being in this situation.
rex jones
The person filming is actually doing a noble job.
tim tompkins
I agree.
rex jones
He's documenting the crime.
So that's actually very brave.
tim tompkins
That's confusable.
unidentified
I've seen some people be like, why don't you go in there?
tim tompkins
Like, do you want to go in there while somebody's live shooting right now?
rex jones
I'm armed, absolutely.
It's run towards the target.
But in a place like this, assuming I'm there and I'm an Australian, I can't do it.
tim tompkins
What is this guy doing?
rex jones
I think he's just telling him to stop.
I think this is the rabbi.
And boom, rabbi.
tim tompkins
He got shot?
rex jones
Yeah, I think so.
He's going for the reload.
tim tompkins
That's not the other guy, right?
rex jones
I don't believe so.
tim tompkins
No.
rex jones
No, he just shot that other guy in the face, I think.
Did he get up?
tim tompkins
No, he's right.
That is the other guy.
sure yeah yeah yeah you're right you're right i think he does shoot rabbi though i think one of some someone does walk up and he like guns him down waiting for that to happen well it sucks because i wish i saw the angle of that way towards the left i'm not seeing any footage of i think more has come out that's i think like i think we'll see more of it this is all i've seen as of today What do you guys think about this in the comments?
rex jones
What's going on with this situation?
unidentified
How do y'all feel about this?
tim tompkins
He got shot.
rex jones
Did he get shot?
unidentified
Okay, now they got the guns.
rex jones
Now they got guns involved.
I wonder what they're shooting back with.
You can't see them.
They're trained.
tim tompkins
Probably rifles, too.
rex jones
It sounds like it.
tim tompkins
It sounds like pistols.
rex jones
I don't know.
Well, it sounds like a handgun to me.
tim tompkins
His dad is dead.
unidentified
Which is probably what the oh my god.
rex jones
Yeah, it's getting real close.
tim tompkins
fucking die cunt die this is call of duty how long has this been going on So this is we've been watching this.
This has been happening for five minutes.
rex jones
And I'm sure much longer before the hand.
tim tompkins
They didn't start shooting.
They didn't even start shooting this guy until probably 30 seconds ago in this video.
rex jones
Yeah.
Like, I said two minutes.
I think two minutes is generous.
I think within 60 seconds of you being in a wide open place that's highly popular.
I mean, this is basically in a town.
Within under 60 seconds, you have someone shooting at you, at least down here in the South in any southern state, especially like Texas or Florida.
And I just think about these people, and these people have been done a real disservice by being disarmed because ultimately it's a moral thing.
It's a moral thing of being a citizen, having the right to defend yourself.
Ultimately, they accept the state as coverage for all of that, right?
And this is the reward of accepting the state for coverage.
The coverage you get is not going to be perfect and it's not even going to be adequate, right?
tim tompkins
You know what?
I'm curious right now.
When's the last time we've had like a terrorist mass shooting like this where somebody's just gone around and started popping people?
rex jones
I think of like Pulse Nightclub.
I think of like there's plenty of school shootings to like Dylan Roof.
tim tompkins
I'm saying specifically this is a targeted attack where you've got like an Islamic guy who's doing this in this circumstance.
rex jones
Yeah, what was it?
Dylan Roof?
I think he was the guy that attacked the black church.
That was really messed up.
That was in the 20 teens.
I think.
Maybe I'm wrong about that.
tim tompkins
I do want to say one thing, dude.
Even I do this myself where I give hypotheticals of what I would do in the situation.
But in a something like this, where your adrenaline is like at 100 and you're just like, everything's happening at once, it is not the hardest thing to imagine people like freezing up and not knowing.
rex jones
No, I totally get that.
I mean, here's the thing.
Number one step is like it's fight or flight or freeze.
And you need to at least run, right?
Like you got to run away from the situation.
I applaud everyone when they are over the bridge firing the other way, like booking it out of there because a lot of those people are probably still alive because they did that, right?
tim tompkins
But in general, even in America, no one's not a lot of people are like in the beach carrying in like here in Texas.
rex jones
They do that too.
There are millions of people that carry in the South.
tim tompkins
But like on their constitutional carry.
rex jones
It's legal now in more states than it isn't.
Everyone's got to do it.
tim tompkins
It's like a thing in these dude.
I mean, New York are not doing that.
Yeah.
rex jones
Like it's most of the country, and I say it like 51%.
Like that, that is the law of the land.
So, like, it seriously is like that.
You could not do, you could not do something like this here without getting shot or being under fire immediately.
I'm not saying you can't kill people because, of course, you can kill people if you have a gun, but they did this because they knew they'd be successful.
tim tompkins
Yeah, something like this could happen in New York.
I'm telling you, it's so hard to get a gun.
rex jones
I mean, just so hard.
God forbid, imagine like Subway, right?
Like, what are you supposed to do?
But he's under fire and he's like, This isn't fun anymore.
I'm not just killing the innocent people.
tim tompkins
What's up, Michael?
If you're unarmed, what can you do?
You can't do a lot.
unidentified
No.
rex jones
And the thing is, if you have a gun, it's your moral responsibility to try to do something about this.
And if you don't have a gun, like, just run away.
You don't have to fight this guy just.
tim tompkins
I think.
rex jones
Good.
unidentified
Oh.
tim tompkins
Yep.
That's why he's in critical.
rex jones
I want to see the police when they come in.
I want to see what they look like.
He's like, I got to go to my town.
unidentified
He's down.
He's down.
Okay.
Absolutely, wow.
rex jones
Very sickening.
tim tompkins
It's so hard because, okay, I can see the beach from now.
I was like, where is this?
You can see the coast behind the trees, too.
unidentified
Wow.
rex jones
Lord have mercy.
Pray for the people's families.
No one deserves this.
This is, it's, it's impacting me emotionally.
It's very, it's very sickening.
unidentified
Let's just go ahead and fast forward.
tim tompkins
Oh, hold on a minute.
You skipped too far.
Yeah, like there's a guy who comes up.
He's like, he looks like them, so they're going to tackle him, I think.
Yeah, see, they think he's them.
unidentified
See?
rex jones
Talk about a bad place to be.
tim tompkins
Wrong place, wrong time.
unidentified
It is true.
rex jones
Why are you walking about?
tim tompkins
Especially if you kind of look like him with the black shirt on, right?
Not catching because they're not even, they're not fucking around.
unidentified
They just, everybody get down.
rex jones
No, if you're, if you're within, if you're within that radius, you didn't get shot.
tim tompkins
How do you know?
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
I'd do the same thing.
rex jones
That's what the cop's got to be.
You mind if I pass forward?
See if there's anything else.
unidentified
They're just reviewing the whatnot.
rex jones
But wow, right?
I mean, wow.
Like, number one, like, it's like you said, we don't really see things like this here.
Like, we see school shooting.
We do see those kind of events, gang violence events.
But as far as, you know, I'm thinking of radical acts of like religious extremism.
And I, of course, what comes to mind, it's not a religious extremist event that we know of, but the Las Vegas shooter, I think he killed 100 people.
tim tompkins
I was going to say that's the last thing I remember, the Las Vegas, where he was shooting outside the window.
rex jones
And there's a lot of suspicious stuff involving that guy, right?
Like they, they said they seized like a computer from him that had like two terabytes of like CP on it.
But then the computer is like from the 90s and could never hold that much data.
And then like he had all the, he had all these guns, but the amount of firepower, I mean, like he was dumping on a country music concert.
unidentified
Yep.
tim tompkins
I remember he was up there just laying fire down.
rex jones
Like that, that's like the most insane event that I can think of.
That wasn't religiously motivated.
I think of like the Pulse nightclub shooting.
That guy killed all the gay people, of course.
And that was religiously motivated.
tim tompkins
Right.
rex jones
I believe.
tim tompkins
So let me give guys a little breakdown of what happened in the timeline because obviously the video is only going to show you guys the shooting.
So of course, everybody knows that this happened today.
But Australia's time zone difference, I'm not sure exactly how far, but they're very far ahead of us.
So, this would have happened super early in the morning for us, but it happened at 6:47 p.m. local time.
So, at 6:47, the emergency calls came in where there's active gunfire at a Hanukkah event.
The two armed men that you see in the videos that we're watching, they're at the elevated position near the pedestrian bridge, and they're overlooking the park and the beachfront.
So, this is why I said I wish I could see the left side because you can't really see where they're shooting at.
But 6:47 to 6:55, panic spreads through the crowds.
You've got people fleeing nearby streets and restaurants, and then the witness report the sustained gunfire that we've been watching.
And then the police at 6:55 to 7 p.m., the tactical units arrive within minutes.
The officers confront the shooters, is what we're seeing at the end of this.
And then, one attacker is shot and killed by the police as we saw this.
rex jones
Well, here's the thing: we just watched that video, right?
But then we're about to watch the video of the guy who like grabs a guy from behind and stops the guy.
Where does because we just watched, I thought from start to finish what happened.
So, what are we doing?
tim tompkins
Okay, so this is what I was saying.
When the guy, the guy at the beginning, when he went down, right?
You saw he went down and the other guy was staying up there.
That is that was the guy who went down.
He got that was the father.
He got the gun taken away from him.
As soon as he got the gun taken away from him, and maybe I'm missed in a situation, that's probably why he went back up and grabbed another weapon, right?
rex jones
Yeah, that makes total sense.
tim tompkins
That's the only scenario that I can piece together in my mind for this situation.
So, uh, the second was uh shot and then disarmed and taken into custody.
So, at 7:05, uh, the paramedics, they begin like the bridge, uh, they begin a triage.
The multiple victims are treated, uh, and people are taken to the hospital.
So, right now, the casualties sit at 15.
It could, it definitely can go up from here.
I've seen, I'm seeing 16 now, uh, 40 plus injured, including children, uh, and one attacker that was killed during the police response, which was the father.
So, the involvement, as you guys can see, is these two guys.
You had uh, Sajid Akram, 50, who's he's 50 years old.
He's the father.
Um, he's a resident of Southwest Sydney, he's a licensed firearm holder.
And we did say, uh, we did see that it was, oh my God, yeah, this is what I was looking for.
rex jones
Holy and someone in the chat aftermath videos even worse.
tim tompkins
Viewer discretion advised.
rex jones
You can go ahead and uh, real quick before we say that, and I'll even turn it off so we don't have to look at it while we're talking.
Uh, this is a serious show.
This is my dad often says on his show, he goes, Family show, family show.
And this is like the worst thing possible, right?
Like, we're this is seriously, this is a mature show.
This is for a mature audience.
And, like, I don't like looking at this.
Like, it made me already feel sick to watch the shooting video.
So, now I got to watch this.
But for the sake of the news, the information, actually knowing what's going on, we have to report on this.
So, viewer discretion is advised.
Like Tim said, like, this is just like, oh, dude, it's really fucking bad.
tim tompkins
Go ahead and share.
rex jones
I'm going to start.
Okay.
Yeah, dude.
tim tompkins
Oh, my.
CPR.
rex jones
Yeah.
Those people are probably already dead.
tim tompkins
He's gone.
unidentified
Damn.
See, you wouldn't see this on any other platform, but X. I'll tell you.
Right.
rex jones
That's true.
tim tompkins
Oh, there's kid goats.
Like, this is just a normal Sunday.
rex jones
Everybody's enjoying the people at the park.
Wow.
tim tompkins
Oh, God, dude.
That is sick.
rex jones
That's why they covered his head up.
Yes, they blew his head off.
That's pretty sick.
More people down.
And they say at least 12 killed and like a lot more.
It's usually like double the number.
tim tompkins
Right now it's 15, 16 is the official count.
rex jones
So people keep dropping.
tim tompkins
Yeah, there's 40 plus injured right now.
unidentified
Wow.
tim tompkins
So there could be more that are going to die from their injuries potentially.
rex jones
So do you want, do you want to watch the hero?
Really?
Do you want to get into the background?
tim tompkins
Well, let's get in the background.
I just want to quickly cover this real quick.
So the son is the one that we're talking about here.
He's 24.
He's actually, I think he's the one that's like the, he's an actual citizen of Australia.
He's not foreign born, but his background is Pakistani, right?
And the father, his education is the thing that's interesting here, right?
Okay.
But do you want to cover this or do you want to, we should probably watch this?
rex jones
I think we should give a brief, just like this is a father-son kill team.
They both adopted the same radical ideology somehow.
tim tompkins
But what you should know about this is the education, he studied at three different places, Central Queensland University, which is like a normal school.
And then you had he studied in Pakistan as well at Hamdrad University in Islamabad.
And then he also attended Al-Murad Institute, which is an Islamic educational institute, right?
Right.
And he's actually been previously known by the Australian Security Intelligence Organization.
So they have clocked this guy before.
This is not the first time that they've known, but they let him go.
They kind of was, he's probably on some type of watch list, but low priority.
rex jones
We don't want to be racist.
unidentified
Now, now, now, look at me.
rex jones
We're seeing some signs of a violent threat here.
unidentified
And, you know, it might be racist to do something about it.
rex jones
So we're going to take a standby.
tim tompkins
I think probably what these things put you on the thing is the fact that he went to Pakistan and he's going to these schools specifically.
But then also, I saw some pictures and videos of like, he just looks like a normal guy celebrating going to a cricket match and he's India versus Pakistan.
Right.
So it's like you, you never, you never know.
rex jones
Right.
But, you know, and I hate to say this because I don't want to back up the Australian censorship regime, like is like one of the worst on the planet, especially what they did to people during COVID.
But I bet they're able to do a pretty tight personal assessment, right?
Like, I, I think, like these countries where you don't really have digital rights, we have, they just introduced digital ID, right?
For everyone, like, oh, like even the people, of course, over 16, like you have to prove that you're not, right?
Even if you're 82 years old.
So they have a means to track and catalog everybody.
They definitely like, here's the thing, like, this is a horrible, horrific mass shooting that was carried out by these two men because of this thing.
But the thing you have to consider is, you know, oftentimes, even with mass shootings here, it's just like, well, the person had seven prior indications of like malevolent violence, but we ignored it.
tim tompkins
100%.
Now, I will say I am grateful for the level of intelligence.
I know FBI can be sometimes a broken system, but there's a lot of stuff that we don't.
There are a lot of stuff that we never see that come into the news of active prevention of people that would have committed terrorist acts in which they've already clocked these people.
They've already hacked and they already stopped these people before the broader audience of public even know.
Like they're everywhere tracking the smallest details.
rex jones
And like their personal privacy concerns and I have those.
I'm not a fan of those big government organizations just in general.
But talking about law enforcement, which should be the government's job, like without some of these higher level, like, I mean, the thing is, I get back to the police officers, right?
Like their SWAT team that they waited like the five to 10 minutes or how, will you look up how long this thing was actually in progress for?
However long it took, when their SWAT team people showed up, it was just like a regular police officer.
Here's you can laugh at the American cop, you call him fat or whatever.
The American cop knows how to shoot real well.
And I guarantee here you have at least you've at least halved a response time if no civilian uh returns fire.
I think a civilian will return fire in under a minute, at least here in the south.
But how long did it progress for?
tim tompkins
Within within 10 minutes, really.
So active engagement with the gunmen began roughly four actually four minutes after the attack footage starts.
So eyewitness reporting the attack lasted itself from 10 to 20 minutes approximately.
But now that's that's that's bystanders and sense of time can be so let's just say let's just say 15 minutes.
rex jones
I think that's reasonable.
You got like a 10 minute situation because the camera guy definitely didn't go immediately like, oh, like, no, he pulled that up at later.
Yeah.
So let's just call it 15 minutes response time.
And like, I'm not cool with that.
And the Australian people that are dead, I mean, like, they don't have a voice now to say anything about it.
But I think, I think ultimately, a society that's disarmed is a society that has a human rights violation.
And I believe that these people should have had guns because the bad guy's going to get guns anyway.
The guy's going to run over people with a car or make a bomb and blow them up or something.
I believe in a civilian right to self-defense because I know that at least if something bad like this happens here, I have options that a person living over in one of these countries where they're disarmed doesn't have.
And these people's governments are able to enact all sorts of controls on them.
But when it comes down to protecting their citizens, it takes, you know, 15 minutes for them to show up.
And when they show up, people are already on the ground.
tim tompkins
I mean, I'm not, I'm not anti-uh, second amendment and guns.
Like, there's no way you get rid of guns in America.
I know some people in California and New York, a lot of these blue places, they'll be like, we just need to get rid of them altogether.
We're never going to get to that point.
One thing I will say, I was very surprised, though.
Like, I was in, you know, Kansas and it was like, I've never shot a gun before.
And it was super easy for me to get one.
And just from the gun safety practice of like knowing how to handle a weapon and like shoots, I don't blow my own self up.
Like those things I feel like could be a little bit more than just me giving like a simple card.
And like it wasn't very hard at that time.
rex jones
See, we used to have a culture in this country where everyone automatically knew and understand how to use what a gun is.
It's emergency rescue equipment.
And it's an empowerment of your right to not be fucked with in a certain level or at a certain way.
Like you, you don't have someone doesn't have the right to assault you on the street.
Like someone doesn't have the right to break into your home.
But you look at a place like a New York or something where you actually, you have a duty to retreat inside your own home, right?
You have a duty to retreat inside your own home.
If someone comes in there and someone breaks down your door, you don't know what they're there for.
Like you don't know if they're there to cause a great bodily injury or death.
tim tompkins
Well, I think the major issue is like, like you said, the guys who want to get a gun illegally are going to get a gun anyways.
And that's where I see the case scenario.
Now, you're going to hate me for this, but I'm like, I'm sure I will.
Let's say like even bad guys couldn't get guns and just let's just say the cops had them in general.
I don't see that being as bad of a thing because then if I know the UK has a knife problem, right?
Where you get stabbed, but I you can't go mass stabbing as easily as you can go put I disagree.
rex jones
I disagree.
And the knife laws get more draconian over time.
They blunt them and they make them shorter and they go further and further.
And why is that?
Because people are always going to find a way to kill and their violent crime rate is actually higher than ours.
Sure, people die over here with the gun being used as the weapon of choice because it's available, but people, you can't take cars away from people, can take baseball bats away from people.
tim tompkins
I'd rather have a guy come at me with a knife than a, than a gun where he's that far away and there's not a lot I can do.
rex jones
Would you rather, would you rather be defenseless or have a gun in that situation?
tim tompkins
No, I'm saying if it was even if it was even my point, no, no, no, you see what I'm saying, but you forgot what I see where you're going through the lot, you're going through the logic trap.
I was just saying, if even the bad guys and everybody didn't have access to the weapon itself, you deserve a giant firearm and a giant magnet you can just dump into someone trying to kill you.
rex jones
And like that, that's that's the southern way, that's the American way.
Yeah, that's what the founding fathers all said and all agreed on.
They didn't just have the musket and whatnot.
I put out this video of me like ironically trying to get people on the street to sign up for gun bans on things that didn't exist.
And they had they had like turret machine guns during the Revolutionary War that were mounted on ships.
Like private citizens could own cannons.
tim tompkins
Yeah, but the whole purpose of the Second Amendment during that time period was because America did not have a centralized government or a system that system to protect from the outside forces in that aspect.
That's that's the thing that they wanted to do for that particular reason.
rex jones
I take your point, but they didn't have a standing right now.
The army court's been ruled, has ruled on this for forever.
It's an empowerment of personal will.
tim tompkins
Well, and that's why I'm not sitting here being like, all right, let's revoke the Second Amendment.
It's here to stay.
rex jones
I hope not.
tim tompkins
It's here to stay.
rex jones
I mean, it's just, I mean, you just ultimately, I'm like, you come from a background where it is not normal.
And I am saddened by that because you're deprived of freedom that you should have.
tim tompkins
The likelihood in those areas where most people don't have the gun, and I know people are like, well, better to have it than not need it.
But it's like on a net net, most people don't have the gun.
So nothing really happens in the regions where I was coming from.
Now, I'm not in the streets of Compton or some shit or like in deep South Chicago.
rex jones
Look up the percentage of Americans that own a gun illegally.
If you would.
I think it's really high.
I'm blanking on the number.
And sorry to go down this rabbit hole.
Like we are covering the shooting in the events, but it's important to discuss, guys, because this is just an absent element for them.
tim tompkins
I took the blue pill.
rex jones
Yeah, the blue pill, bro.
tim tompkins
Look, Eileen, I'm conservative, but I can't go all the way.
rex jones
Massive firearm.
You need to know.
tim tompkins
There's no reliable statistic, but there's no reliable statistic.
I think that there's illegal.
Like, how would you determine?
rex jones
Yeah, so you got to self-report.
That's very true.
It's got to be out there somewhere, though.
But do you, do you want to give me a bunch of people?
tim tompkins
Let's go back.
Go back to the video.
rex jones
All right.
So this is the video of the hero, the man that stopped the carnage for at least a brief period of time, got the guy off balance or whatnot.
Here's what I don't understand, right?
So we're about to play the video.
The guy kind of gets the guy from behind and like wrestles the rifle away from him.
And then like, I guess if you don't know, like, if he did try to fire, obviously the video is grainy.
We can't see if his finger tries to pull the trigger or not.
Maybe he doesn't understand that he has to bring the bolt back and then bring it forward to chamber another round so that he's ready to fire.
We don't know.
But ultimately, like bonk the guy on the head with the thing, right?
Like fucking smack him in the head with the giant gun, like knock him out or do whatever you're going to do with him.
tim tompkins
Right.
rex jones
But he's look, and I get it.
Like he's shocked.
He's sitting there.
He's a hero and he's brave for doing what he did.
I just, I see a lot of like, you know, like Americans wouldn't act like this.
I will like, oh, hell no.
Like, you're going to die.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
Like, like, we'll go to the video now.
We'll present the video.
tim tompkins
So who's is that just a deaf person lying there?
rex jones
I think so.
Here he comes.
He takes a gun.
tim tompkins
He's lucky he didn't have a handgun there.
And what's the lady doing?
rex jones
Girls will always get in the middle of a fight and try to make it like 10 times worse of a situation.
tim tompkins
And then you got to protect her, bro.
rex jones
Yeah.
No, dude, it's weird.
And I love women and I respect women infinitely.
I really'm a misogynist.
No, no, you're a woman hater.
I'm really not.
But like, there is something magical about like two dudes at a bar will be about to like scrap, and the girl will come in and be like, Yeah, she needs to be protected at that point.
Yeah, well, just heightens tensions, right?
tim tompkins
I think this is where you back somebody probably runs into the other.
rex jones
Okay, so that's this is the other side of that footage that we first know how to use the gun.
No, but hey, you know what?
Fucking fucking hero, man.
Shout out to this guy.
tim tompkins
He's lucky he didn't get shot by the other dude.
rex jones
Bro, he's like taking a break.
He's like taking a he's taking a fucking break up against the wall.
tim tompkins
He's like, man, you have shot him there.
Oh, yeah.
rex jones
Boom, I don't know what he has in that bag.
tim tompkins
And the guy, look at the guy throwing a flip fly.
rex jones
He can't make this stuff up, folks.
And like, this is this is what I'm saying.
A little fucking revolver in your pocket.
You just take that and you just fucking ice that guy right there.
And then it's over.
And a little grandma can do that.
It doesn't take this, and this is like the chauvinistic myth that's actually told by the left as opposing civilian gun ownership.
They go, it's these misogynistic, evil white males that want the gun because they want to walk around and they know that they have it.
No, it's about like the little Asian lady store clerk being armed, right?
It's about the little like Uber driver being able to protect himself.
Like at the end of the day, it applies to everyone that's a citizen here.
And like it is your right to defend yourself against a violent threat.
And here, like, they're like, but do we, do we say it's the guy?
Like, I don't know.
tim tompkins
Well, here's a well, here's the thing: only three to four percent of Australians own a weapon.
rex jones
Oh, yeah.
tim tompkins
So, like, you definitely know these, this guy has no idea what he's doing.
Granny's like, I don't know what to do.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
And he's part of that thing.
rex jones
And don't you see how the Second Amendment strengthens our nation by having a more prepared populace?
As opposed to, like, we talk about military intervention, especially.
You see how that's an advantage to have a civilian population that has gun knowledge?
That's a big, that's a big deal.
tim tompkins
Yeah, it's the gun knowledge that I agree with on like just being educated on it.
But I don't know.
I really don't know.
rex jones
You want to ban all the guns, bro.
tim tompkins
No, it's not banning.
It's already happening.
And if the people who already have them illegally have them, then there's no way to confiscate all the weapons possible.
rex jones
When you say it's already happening, you're not talking about gun control, are you?
tim tompkins
No, no, no.
I'm talking about people already acquiring guns, whether they want to.
Okay, like, so it doesn't matter for me to try to make the argument of being like, oh, well, we should just take all the guns.
Well, how are you going to get all the illegal?
rex jones
But you feel for them that it's overall a better solution for them to be disarmed.
tim tompkins
Because it's already, they don't have the same problems.
rex jones
I don't agree, but I understand your point.
I think the audience agrees with me on that, to be honest.
unidentified
But I am always right.
rex jones
I am always right.
tim tompkins
Greyburg says I'm blue pill tonight.
So, you know.
rex jones
But hey, like, I get it.
It's a difference of background, man.
But it's like, it's a deprivation of your civil liberty to not have it.
Like, like, I'm not going to let someone mug me.
Like, they're going to die.
Like, that's just what's going to happen.
And because it's there, they, their, your life is forfeit when you engage in violent crime.
tim tompkins
But you know what?
They probably do in Australia?
rex jones
Give the person a hug.
tim tompkins
No, they probably duke it out with some fists and no one dies at that point.
rex jones
Yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe not.
Definitely not in the UK.
You know, like, Australia seems to be a more peaceful land.
tim tompkins
But at the same time, I guess it really just depends on the population and how they're going to be.
rex jones
Of like 24 million.
So it's like it's, it's, it's like one of our states or something.
tim tompkins
Yeah, it's a smaller population.
rex jones
It's not that big.
tim tompkins
Keep going with this guy.
rex jones
For sure.
So, yeah, this is the other half.
Yeah, I lost my guns in a boating accident.
tim tompkins
Took 1,200 milligrams of extra strength.
DC, I told you, he went up, back up the stairs, right?
After he had his gun taken.
rex jones
That's freaky, man.
tim tompkins
How come he didn't shoot the guy taking the gun from him?
Like, that could have been so bad for him.
rex jones
You might have missed it.
It's a high-stress situation.
He's shooting at other people.
He sees.
He's like, Oh, I got to kill that one, that one.
And ultimately, like, I don't care how much training you do, especially like, even especially in the military, your first time actively firing on people.
It's got to be crazy, right?
Like, you're like, you're actually killing people for the first time.
It's not like to our knowledge, they went out and did practice runs.
Like, maybe he killed a bunny rabbit by strangling it.
And he's like, I am ready now.
I could do it.
But this is a completely different situation than killing like any animal or like any simulation of like a war game could be.
You're out there with a gun, like gunning down innocent people.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
So like where you can't prepare yourself for that.
unidentified
He probably just made a mistake.
rex jones
Now, I wonder, I just wonder what the Australian police are armed with.
And I think that would be interesting to look at.
But we have a lot of people.
tim tompkins
Let's cover the guy itself because this is the interesting thing, right?
The fact that he went to, he has the Islamic background.
He's Pakistani.
rex jones
And by the way, go through some of the videos.
unidentified
Oh, this.
tim tompkins
Yes.
No, let's cover this real quick.
rex jones
Yeah.
So look how professional this is.
And like people, I've heard them criticize the video or whatnot.
He's very fast.
He seems to be relatively accurate and he's very calm.
That's the number one thing I take away from this.
tim tompkins
Look at him.
rex jones
Quickly.
tim tompkins
Look how quick that is.
This is insane.
unidentified
Boom.
rex jones
And it looks to be a long cartridge.
It's definitely not 223.
It's definitely something bigger than that.
I'm not sure exactly.
tim tompkins
First day of Hanukkah is exactly what they were celebrating, Steven.
You are correct about that.
This was specific, and it was timing, and they knew exactly what they were doing in this scenario.
It was clear, it was clearly a targeted Semitic attack.
rex jones
Well, talk about the guy.
I'm going to go through just a couple.
We got a couple of great clips to show, but I'll just go ahead and show a couple more.
tim tompkins
No, just go ahead and show it.
rex jones
Still images of the guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
I mean, like I said, we went over the fact that he attended these Islamic schools, which teach the practice that's in the Quran.
Now, we did do the deeper dive on it, and we'll cover this specifically in a moment here about what type of practice that they actually teach and some of the things that are in the Quran and what Muhammad believes and some AI bias and some AI bias.
That was the thing that was a shocker to me.
rex jones
Wasn't that nutty?
tim tompkins
I'm glad that you knew some of this information already before the AI actually spit it out.
And it was Grok.
rex jones
Yeah, Grok tried to gaslight us and brainwash us into thinking.
tim tompkins
He's supposed to be all he's supposed to be the man of the people, right?
rex jones
Yeah, Mecca Hitler, no more.
Yeah, I see.
tim tompkins
He's not unhinged.
rex jones
Mecca Muhammad.
tim tompkins
Mecca Muhammad.
Insane.
He's a nice guy.
That's what he's saying.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
Well, it said, and we'll get into this later.
I'm not to just throw it out here.
It's too tantalizing.
We'll go over the specifics.
It says, Islam means peace.
And that's, it's like, it's good.
It's nice.
It's a, it's, and Rex is like, what the friendly Muhammad or like whatever it says.
And I just go, well, Islam means submission, number one.
That's false.
And then we go to the dictionary and I'm right.
tim tompkins
And he's right.
Yeah.
rex jones
But, you know, it's just get into the guy because he had he had very specific, you know, upbringing and Muslim tradition.
And we get into a little bit of the differences of Sunni, Shia, Salafi.
And when we, when you talk to the AI about these different sects and groups, it'll tell you, especially about like the like radical like Salafi group, it'll say, oh, it's peaceful.
And the vast majority, 99% of them are peaceful.
tim tompkins
Talking about the one they had earlier.
rex jones
And it's, it's wonderful and it's great.
Well, let me finish really quick.
And then it goes, oh, yeah, 1%.
That's ISIS and Al-Qaeda.
Both of them believe in this specific form of fundamentalist Islam.
tim tompkins
Insane.
rex jones
Yeah.
But it's like, oh, it's all good.
It's just all the terrorist groups.
Is what they, this is what they practice, but the vast majority of people, it's fine, and we'll get into the point even more of just saying like yeah, you can say vast majority peaceful, but if you have like two billion people he did yeah, if you have two billion people, even having a few percentages, is like world ending.
It is basically you, you can't do it.
You, you just, it doesn't work that way.
100 and like.
People are people and people are human beings and people deserve respect and people ultimately like, no one has a right to tell other people how their children should live or how they should raise their kids or live their life or whatever.
But when it comes down to it, this is the religion.
That actually is like yeah we, actually we do have a say in this.
You pay us tax to stay alive and that's only if you're a Muslim or Christian and it's a holy war.
tim tompkins
Essentially yeah, it's a holy.
rex jones
It's a holy war.
It's it's submission right to reach Islam they want.
tim tompkins
It's called the Umnah, and and and.
Just to, to highlight the point that you were saying before, uh-huh with the majority, because this is the bias, the availability bias, like we were talking of before, even if a majority are not committing crimes, like he said, because of the proportion of it and the fact that it's enough people that it's causing a significant issue, it has to be addressed.
It has to be something that we go out and not condone these types of activities, because when you have it on and this is why you see these events and this is why a lot of these countries are scared to to have the overtake of this particular religion they don't say the same like okay, Jewish people in the, in Judaism gets some, but people aren't afraid of like Jewish people going out and committing like mass murder because the the TORA, doesn't the tornado.
rex jones
I, I understand, I understand your fact.
No I I I, I get your point, I get, I get your point.
tim tompkins
It is specific.
Around there are Jewish people everywhere.
The the UH TORA does not sit there and say, go kill anybody who doesn't support uh.
rex jones
Right, and ultimately, like the Jewish holy writings excluding like the modernist stuff like the Kabbalah and like the Talmud and stuff like that, which is essentially just rabbis arguing with each other and some of it is like really whacking, crazy and evil, but like the fundamentalist Jewish doctrine that most Jewish people living in the West subscribe to, is one of like you're not allowed to martyr yourself.
Yes, and it's the same with the Christians right, like a Christian cannot martyr themselves.
A Christian has to be like.
You have to be told, hey, renounce your faith.
Like the Romans would say, we're going to put you in the Coliseum and the lion's going to eat you, and then you say no, and then you become a martyr.
That way, becoming a martyr in in Islam is fighting the jihad, is fighting for the faith.
tim tompkins
And since we're on the topic, let's literally cover this, yeah right okay, we got it right.
This is the.
So the whole concept of the guy's background and why we're talking about this in the first place.
rex jones
I can scroll which one it is.
tim tompkins
Uh, it's literally because the school that he goes to has Islamic teachings and they teach them specifically about uh, the teachings of the Quran, and so the whole issue is, is i'm not sitting here trying to blanket and be like, oh well, all the people who go to this school are now becoming murderers, Murderers?
But it definitely has an impact when you read things.
And specifically, it was the Sunni, right?
Is that what it is?
rex jones
Yes, Sunni.
And then specifically, Selafi.
And what they are is they're radical anthropomorphists, right?
So Allah has 95 aspects.
And like, those are things like Allah's love and Allah's hate and blah, But then nothing else is uncreated other than Allah.
And that's why Allah is unlike all of creation that's in the Quran, and Allah has no sons.
And that's why they consider Christianity to be polytheism, right?
It's because they're saying, okay, you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Therefore, you're saying Allah has a son and is like something in creation.
Therefore, you are a kaffir, I believe, is the term.
tim tompkins
Well, and the whole aspect of why the Quran is so controversial is because of like the school does teach the classical teachings.
And some of these classical scholars, they're going to interpret these as legal guidance for how the people should live their lives and what they should do.
And like Rex is talking about, there are literally, just like you said, Al-Qaeda and these other groups literally take those as their Bible.
And so read some of these things that are in here because I was like, wow, this is what's being taught.
And I don't see this anywhere in the Bible.
rex jones
Yeah, I'm scrolling.
I'm scrolling up.
I'm like, where's a good place to start?
Start.
tim tompkins
Just go to the beginning real quick.
rex jones
All right.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
All right.
So, and violence and warfare versus will you pull up 929 on your computer really quick?
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
Will you read that?
Because that one's really key.
All right, but I'll go ahead and start.
All right.
One, violence and warfare versus why controversial.
Some verses command fighting, following, including against non-believers under certain conditions.
Quran 9.5, the sword verse, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them, referring to also Christians, but not Jews there.
Then 929, fighting people of the book.
That means Jews and Christians.
tim tompkins
And I'll read that for you.
rex jones
Until they pay Jizya.
And what Jizya is, is it is the money that you pay in exchange for your life.
tim tompkins
A tax imposed on non-Muslims under Islamic rule is what it's called.
rex jones
Yes.
So the common take that in place of killing you.
That's what it is.
tim tompkins
And the common English of what 929 interprets, fight for those who do not believe in Allah or in the last day, or who would not consider unlawful that Allah and his messengers have made unlawful and do not adopt the religion of truth from those who are given the scripture until they give into what did you say?
That word is the jizya willingly, and they are humbled.
And then the key terms, what they're talking about is fighting.
Uh, they're talking about being humbled, and so that that is exactly what you're talking about.
rex jones
It means being conquered, like, and then I, like the AI is like, I have to be nice to all religions and chat.
GPT isn't even as bad as GROK.
I have issues with that, but we went to GROK thinking that we would get like a pretty, like uncensored take and it's the most neutered one ever.
I'm gonna pull it, pull that up right here to the last, to the right okay, all right, check this out guys.
All right, what the Quran and prophet Muhammad really teach classical Sunni view, big ideas, be Be kind, honest, help poor people, forgive others, and make peace.
Prophet Muhammad, who is he?
A gentle leader 1,400 years ago who taught one God, Allah, sharing, controlling anger, and treating everyone fairly.
Yeah, treating all the Muslims fairly under his weird sick Sharia law system and then making everyone else who's not a Muslim and doesn't submit pay the blood tax to stay alive.
tim tompkins
Insane.
It's being kind to people who aren't fighting you.
rex jones
Yeah, anyway, when they give up, be nice.
This is not compatible with the West.
This theology is not acceptable.
And it's not something where you could go to like a Jewish text where it's talking about like the siege of Jericho like 3,000 years ago, right?
Or it's not Christianity where you can go, this revelation description is crazy.
Ultimately, it's saying that those things are bad and shouldn't happen.
tim tompkins
And here's the nuance.
Like, I'm not saying that the Bible and Christianity and these other religions haven't created a certain violence around the religion itself.
It's just not in the day-to-day practice.
Like people go and fight for a particular reason around a specific issue, and it's not the agenda of the day-to-day for you to go out and just make sure that you're going to go and kill people who aren't practicing.
Because imagine if Christians did that, which is the largest religion in the world, right?
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
It's the largest religion in the world.
And imagine all the Christians, if you don't practice any other religion, because Christians, I feel like, are very tolerant of other religions and the preachings.
You go to church and you're not a believer in church.
They say, hey, do you want to get baptized?
Not pay this tax.
rex jones
I'm going to put a gun to your head.
The modern, there has not been compelled Christian faith for hundreds of years, right?
And like they, they usually in those cases, they wouldn't even do that, right?
Whereas Islam, the whole thing is like forced compulsion, right?
Because how can you force someone to renounce their sins and come to God?
You can't do that, but you can force someone to bow to this one entity, like Allah.
And ultimately, I think the Quran says, and look this up, fact check me right now.
Maybe I'll get things off screen for a second.
I'll try to look it up too.
tim tompkins
What do you say?
rex jones
I think we are all slaves of Allah, actually.
Are we slaves of Allah?
I think that's in there.
I'm not sure what the AI will say.
Maybe the AI will say, no, it means friend, actually.
But.
tim tompkins
Is there a.
It says in Islam, yes, humans are described as slaves or servants.
rex jones
Oh, described as servants.
tim tompkins
Servants of Allah.
rex jones
Yeah, but the word translates to slave, I believe.
See, it says yes.
tim tompkins
It says yes, but it says he wants to clarify and be trying to, he says, but not slaves in the modern.
He said in the modern Chetil sense.
And that means modern, but that didn't mean that it wasn't before.
rex jones
Ask for the verse that that comes from.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
Can you go back to the GPT and let's read the rest of what's being practiced in the Quran?
Because this is really important.
rex jones
For sure.
Yeah, no, you're right.
So we went over that.
Kill the unbelievers, strike terror into them and kill the people of the book until they pay the blood tax.
Treatment of non-Muslims.
Muslims are considered superior in governance.
Non-Muslims may live under Islamic rule, but not as equals.
Conversion away from Islam is treated harshly in later law.
They really don't like it.
It's called apostate.
That's called being an apostate when you leave.
Relevant verses, Quran 3, 100, Muslims described as the best nation.
Quran 9, 29, Jizya and subjugation.
We've gone over that.
And then Quran 98.6, unbelievers described as the worst of creatures.
See, it's not very, the thing I like about Christianity and the Old Testament as well, because it's the Beatitudes.
It's all the same stuff.
Or Theophanies, excuse me, not Beatitudes.
Man is created in the image of God, and there's something holy about man.
And man is not like disgusting creature pig, but like anyone who does not follow the supreme entity that this guy declared in like the late fifth century.
tim tompkins
Yep.
rex jones
Anyone who does not follow this entity is like an animal or the worst of creatures.
That means like worse than like a dung beetle or something.
Right.
I don't like that, man.
And that's just my opinion on that, but I don't like that.
tim tompkins
So you already talked about the leaving of Islam, right?
rex jones
And then classical Islamic law, like you're saying here, treats apostasy as treason, right?
So you leave, you go and die.
Yeah.
tim tompkins
They don't tolerate that.
rex jones
We don't tolerate that.
Ooh, women's rights.
That's always, you know, it's funny when you see people that are like super left wing.
And I like to watch people like do dissidents and whatnot, but like if you back this at all, like I have, I have three sisters.
Like seriously, like not to any of those people, but to anyone that like wants my sister to have to wear like a trash bag to go outside, like genuinely fuck you.
tim tompkins
That's a hot take.
rex jones
No, it's not a hot take at all.
Like you don't get to tell people to wear trash bags.
You don't have a right to do it.
It's not imposed on you by your God.
Well, it is, it's a polyester full body cover.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
Like I don't like the fact that like it's a bajillion degrees and you're making somebody dress up head to toe.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
And, you know, there was a movement where they try, like they've killed women that try to like make a movement against wearing these things and covering up.
rex jones
Women, women receive half of man's share.
Two women equal one man at testimony.
He raped me.
He raped me.
Oh, I did not do it.
I promise.
I promise I didn't do it.
Well, there's one of you and there's one of you.
And we know how the law works here, lady.
Like that, that's beyond anything.
Beyond marriage, men can have up to four wives.
And like Andrew Tate loves that, but I can see that would be very predatory.
Right.
Women may not have multiple husbands.
Of course, there's no equality there, no feminism there.
unidentified
Who?
rex jones
Well, discipline.
Quran 434 permits striking a wife.
tim tompkins
That's crazy.
So imagine how many women get beat behind closed doors or even openly.
Well, and that's the problem.
rex jones
I have a great anecdote.
I'm not trying to interrupt you.
I'm sorry.
So I have cousin, really like uncle, someone that I'm related to lives out in East Texas over on the land that we have over there around that area.
And he is like a 30-year military veteran.
He's an incredible badass.
I'm very proud to be related to him.
But he told me all about his time or a lot about his time, not all about it, but a lot about his time over there in the Middle East, right?
Like being a part of Desert Storm and stuff like that.
And he said that one of his first experiences over there in the Middle East, just like culture shock moment, I think that's what I asked him is like, when did you have a culture shock was when he was on the street just as a young, like, you know, like good looking American soldier.
And then he sees a woman across the street and she like looks up at him or something or like made maybe waves, just some brief gesture.
I forget what he said.
And he made the mistake of waving back.
unidentified
Oh.
rex jones
And hubby comes in with the fucking pipe and just starts going to work.
Damn.
Because you don't do that shit in my house, bitch.
Like that's what they believe.
And that's the religion of peace.
Right.
And that, that's, that's what we all have to tolerate and accept.
And it's good.
And it's coming to a place near you.
And that's the thing of like it, it is, it is perfectly designed to make you angry, but like this is a violation of everything we believe here in the West, right?
Like to even think that just looking at a woman on the street and raising your hand and her, she raised her hand just to say hi.
And then the husband comes in with the fucking pipe and just the word.
tim tompkins
And here's the thing.
The reason why I've had so many conversations with people, and they're like, Well, why can't you just allow like if Muslim people just want to live in a specific place?
I'm not sitting here targeting everybody.
It's specifically the it's not the modern ones that aren't religious and have nothing to do with this.
Unfortunately, there's a large population that do follow this, right?
It's not all of them, but it's specifically like there's Christian Muslims.
I'm not lumping those, there are Christian Muslims.
rex jones
Uh, that doesn't work like all Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet, but they don't believe in him as God because to be that's not Muslim, but it's monotheism.
tim tompkins
I'm just saying, like, in general, there are people who are in the Middle East, like Arab, Arab Christians, yeah, Arab Christians, yeah, not the religion, but Arab Christians.
What I'm saying is, as far as the ethnicity, I'm, I'm, I'm kind of, no, I understand.
rex jones
I just want to make that point.
tim tompkins
Yeah, I'm just saying, in general, combining the whole concept of, look, there's a reason why there are countries and there that literally ban Islam, right?
If you go to China, you can't, no, no, no, like concentration camp, they have the Uyghur motivation.
I'm telling you, you're, you, you can do the soft version of Islam and practice the things, but they don't allow you to do like 90% of the stuff that's in this book because they understand the danger behind it.
rex jones
Well, at the end of the day, you end up like Britain right now is in a transitional phase and large parts of Europe.
I mean, they did this before the Moors conquered Spain and ruled for hundreds of years.
Like, this will probably just happen.
It's happened before in history.
It's not a strange historical event without precedent.
The British are a little less far along because they have a bigger population.
It's, it's less skewed.
But places like France and Germany, like in 50 years, like you're going to see like Islamic government.
And like that, that that's coming.
tim tompkins
Well, I mean, Britain's already having issues with that, like with their major politicians that are being consumed by the Muslim.
rex jones
And my point with that is that in Britain already, they have places where the call to prayer, it's five times a day.
It's loud as hell.
Everyone gets out and prays on the street.
You can't walk in between them or do anything.
That is an act of that.
That's taking over.
That's taking possession of the area and going, you submit to us being in your space, right?
The shared public space is our space now.
We're sharing it with you.
And then you go down a couple of decades or not even maybe that, and you're paying them money to live.
And it's just like, oh, it's the new puppetity tax.
And, you know, it's really good because, you know, ever since our community came under indigenous leadership, or they'll probably call it something like that.
Literally.
Like, you see what I'm saying?
Like, it'll be the thing that you do.
They make sure our community remains strong and it's a good thing.
tim tompkins
Like, like, and that's why it's a slow degradation.
What happens?
You give it an inch.
rex jones
This is why I'm proud of America because as fat and retarded as we are, we're this, this never would fly.
tim tompkins
Actually, you know, that in Dallas, I never, I didn't tell you this story, but in Dallas.
rex jones
I saw.
tim tompkins
No, not the, not the protest, but in Dallas, they started trying to, there are people that are Islamic that were trying to get their own special like zones where they could create their own like, basically, like not villages, but like their own eco-cities.
And Abbott shut that shit down.
rex jones
Yeah.
tim tompkins
You know, they weren't going to allow people to have like the special, you know, Muslim economics.
rex jones
It violates everyone's religious freedom.
That's the problem with their system is ultimately a Christian practicing Christianity in whatever form you want to pick.
That Christian is not, he's not violating someone else's rights to worship his God.
If he's, if he's doing his thing, the same with like a Buddhist or a Hindi or whatever.
When the Muslim comes in, the Muslim says, oh, oh, oh, yeah.
Well, if you're in this community, you're going to contribute to the mosque.
tim tompkins
Yes.
rex jones
You don't get a choice.
tim tompkins
Not to, I hate, I don't want to bring the Israel topic up, but I have to bring this up.
rex jones
We love talking about Israel.
Well, why do we always got to talk about Israel?
unidentified
We're always talking about Israel.
tim tompkins
But here's the thing: with that being said, I said this to you a long time ago.
And do you remember this conversation where I was like, the tolerance doesn't go both ways, in which, like, if you were to give some of these places, like, you know, like the Hezbollah, or some of them because they have this preaching and this laws and everything that happened in Gaza believes that go ahead.
Well, specifically, maybe the radical Muslims, the radical Muslims, specifically in Gaza, that hold the majority, they practice this level, and their doctrine literally says we will eradicate anyone for this particular reason that we read in the Quran.
And the only thing is, they just don't have the firepower to eradicate all of Israel and their neighbors.
rex jones
Otherwise, they would.
This is where your pro-Israel argument comes in.
And I understand it.
My argument is that wasn't happening before when it was a thriving city with great infrastructure and the people were functioning, getting on.
They were living under Sharia law.
The reason why they're living under what they're living through now is because in a time of war, when you're invaded and everyone dies, people become more radical.
So, yeah, I mean, like, I always blame it.
It's not legitimate.
tim tompkins
I always here's the thing.
I always blame the whole mess of this negative feedback loop between Israel and Palestine because of the British, right?
Because of the fact that they decided they're going to go in there, arbitrarily promise this land to one side, and then also say, We're going to promise it to this other side at the same time.
And we're just going to make a deal that works for us because we're tired of occupying this region and we're just going to let you guys do it.
And they just withdraw and let them fight it out.
And that's what ended up happening.
All I am saying is, irrespective of how that negative feedback loop started, in the circumstance, one group wronged the other.
They felt this way specifically.
You're never going to get each other's sides.
rex jones
I would just say, I would say both groups are wrong ultimately.
And this is the thing that we talk about all the time on the show, like Russia, Ukraine.
People want to be like, oh, the hero Zelensky, the noble lion fighting the evil Putin.
And she's like, well, both of them are trying to preserve and work for their own interests.
Right.
And like, it doesn't have anything to do with like being good or evil.
And when you make it like that and you can, you declare someone good and you declare another person evil, it actually makes the person that you declare to be good, in fact, evil.
And it kind of reverses it for the other person.
Because at that point, those terms don't mean anything anymore when they're both doing the same kinds of crimes and violent actions and actions against their people.
When I would say, ultimately, you know, that's not being gracious enough.
Zelensky's evil monster and I hate him.
I can't even be neutral.
Well, I try.
tim tompkins
But in the circumstance, but I get it.
They're both fighting for their interests.
But then, specifically, surrounding the issue of Hamas and what's happening, part of it, I don't want to sit here and defend the mass killings that have happened in Gaza.
But one of the biggest issues of why they're going to go there is because they know that the moment they just completely let the reins loose, because these people believe these people are evil, I'm going to go after them.
They have to, they're trying to, it's so, it's such a complicated issue.
I would say that it does come down to a problem with how Islam teaches that.
Now, if you didn't have Hamas in control, you had the Muslims that aren't practicing this shit, then that's a different story.
And I could see that two-state solution in which it would work for the specific Palestinians that actually want to live there in peace.
rex jones
We don't agree on this, but I hear it's a lot.
It's logical.
It's logical.
And I get what you're saying.
I just think at the end of the day, all this stuff is done by design because ultimately the rich, powerful people, they don't care about the people on the bottom getting killed.
And ultimately, like a terror attack on the Jewish population, although horrible and abominable and despicable and should be roundly condemned.
At the end of the day, like it's just like anti-Semitism, anti-Semitism.
Everything's anti-Semitism.
Look how we were just killed with anti-Semitism.
So it serves them to live in a more violent world.
And talk about the elites, the people in the government in positions of power.
It serves them to have a chaotic, violent, and angrier world.
tim tompkins
You've got to have the enemy to have the control.
I agree with you on those particular points.
Now, I don't like where, you know, there are specific people that are in power that try to say, well, any criticism ends up being anti-Semitic.
That don't hit me with that bullshit.
But the circumstances like this, where a guy goes to a Hanukkah event, goes and targets specifically on the first day.
rex jones
It's like shark fiending for Jewish blood.
tim tompkins
And it is kind of dangerous sometimes when you let anger be unchecked specifically around a narrative.
Now, I don't believe in them going around doing the whole censorship where they're on stage trying to like do the Ted Cruz missile and be like, okay, well, this is why you should bow down to Israel and those types of things.
But I do think that you have to have a certain threshold at which you don't give these radical people the platform to go out there and have the justification to prove why we want to attack these people in the first place and why we should kill these people because you enfranchise those.
And when you leave the reins loose, situations like this can happen.
rex jones
And it doesn't well, I mean, here's my thing: it's the same thing with all these modern like deaths, assassinations, the Kirk thing, whatever.
It's just like, oh, like we fucked up basically.
Like, oops, like our bad, like the government let someone go, or a person never gets like charged when they're under suspicion, or a person that's been looked at half a dozen times goes out and commits like the worst possible act.
And I just look at it and I'm like, if you put billions of dollars into building a system to like stop these kind of events from happening, you would think that there would be a much higher success rate.
And I get like you giving credit, and I agree a lot of credit has to be given to law enforcement because they do stop a lot of stuff that we don't see, right?
But a place like this where you're under mass surveillance and the dad and the son are both under suspicion, right?
Or they were before, or is it just the son?
tim tompkins
I don't, they haven't reported the exact nuances of what's happened, which is why I don't want to speculate.
rex jones
Their control grid is so crazy.
They, they know if the dude, they know the dude is the son of a guy that has the gun permit.
tim tompkins
But it's a, it's, it is a hierarchy, though.
So here's the thing: when these, when you're talking about these organizations, they have a limited manpower.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
And then also you don't have like the ability to go into every person's mind.
So when a person starts acting normal for a long period of time, they're going to go focus on the guy that's acting crazy too.
And it's like, you're not always going to sit there and watch an eye on the guy who's like just going to a normal cricket game, having fun, enjoying because he's not seeing looking up bombs and shit.
You're going to go to the guy who's like literally has just came back from Iran and you're going to keep eyes on him and you only have but so many eyes to keep track of.
So you're just going to go and focus on these particular people and those are your priority ones.
And then you have to rely on technology and AI, which is why they're trying to have Palantir come in to help offset the data.
Yeah.
rex jones
It's so good.
tim tompkins
But it's designed to take the data of the mass data that they have from like where they can listen to you on your earpods and they can listen to your microphone on your Alexa and take the information because there's so much information they just don't know how to shift with it.
But I digress.
That's what I'm just saying.
rex jones
No, no, you're good.
That's that's an excellent point.
I just, I don't want to miss all this stuff because we have a lot of juicy info for tonight.
Number five, slavery and concubinage.
I think I'm saying that word right.
Why controversial?
I don't know.
He's not supposed to own other people.
It's not a good thing to do.
The Quran permits slavery rather than abolishing it.
Oh, and sexual relations with female slaves are allowed.
That's the real cheat code.
You don't even have to marry them.
You can just own a human being and use them for sex.
tim tompkins
Yeah, that's insane.
rex jones
Captives of war could be enslaved.
While freeing slaves is encouraged, the institution itself is not banned.
Punishments.
Why controversial?
Oh, you steal something.
We're going to cut off your hand.
This is a little talked about one, but that's pretty serious, right?
You know, Johnny was 16.
Johnny stole a bike from the store.
Johnny got his hand cut off.
tim tompkins
Hey, there's a reason why Dubai is super.
rex jones
You can leave your wallet on the street.
tim tompkins
You can walk around with the Rolex, like Andrew Tate says.
He wears his most expensive watches when he's in the Middle East.
rex jones
Adultery, lashes.
Ooh, they whip you.
Damn, dude.
They'll get you.
It's like with a cane, I think, is that's what a lash is.
Combined with the hadith, a stoning, crucifixion, execution.
And the hadith is close commentary by Imams and references to the time of Muhammad.
And it's not the Quran in the sense of like its binding authority, but it is considered to be like the closest thing to being legitimate, basically.
It's like the writings of like the early church fathers, basically, in like Orthodox Christianity.
Supremacy of Islam.
Islam is presented as the final and only acceptable religion meant to supersede all others.
I mean, that's common in a lot of different ones.
I'm not going to give them, I'm not going to give them too much on that.
I disagree with it, of course, but they're trying to win.
tim tompkins
The game is creatures thing here.
rex jones
Yeah.
So like we talked about this a little bit.
I'm not even sure if we were on air when we talked about it.
Yes, we were.
We were just talking about it.
Like if people are not divine or created in the image of God or don't have like this worth, right?
Then they're the worst of creatures unless they believe in the deity that Muhammad made up in the fifth century.
You're worse than a slug.
You're worse than a dung beetle.
You're worse than a fire ant.
You're worse than like a dust mite if you do not believe in the Muslim monotheistic God, right?
So that language isn't used in Christianity.
It's not even used in like the Old Testament, where there is harsher language used in all kinds of wars being declared all the time, of course.
But the difference is the Old Testament occurred three to 4,000 years ago.
This is this is like way after 500 AD, getting into 600 AD.
So this is at a time where the Roman Empire is already fallen.
This is at a time where Christianity is already widespread.
And this religion comes along and it declares all these things about itself being the best and everyone must submit.
And really going back to real primitive practices, because it's written as a doctrine of war and conquest, right?
Like if you practice this religion, you go into a new area, you infiltrate the area, you become the majority population in that area, and then you make everyone pay the tax or you kill them or you just go and invade anyway.
And like that's how it was practiced.
I mean, they took over Spain for like 400 years and just lived there.
tim tompkins
Well, in general, if you look at the prophet Muhammad and his background, he led dozens of raids and battles and approved killing of enemies during war, which there are people who are supporters that say it's I thought he was a gentle leader.
rex jones
I thought he, whoa, you telling me he attacked, he led attacks.
When did Jesus strap on the AK and go out there?
tim tompkins
Right.
Actually, that's a good point.
That is a good point.
rex jones
He turned over some tables, right?
tim tompkins
Yeah.
Well, I mean, here's the thing.
Some of these controversial things about him is he, this Jewish tribe that was accused of treason.
He had men executed.
He had the women and children enslaved, carried out the tribal law at the time.
And then also some of the other things that are called being nice.
rex jones
It's cultural enrichment.
tim tompkins
Gentle, gentle giant.
So another thing, the most thing that I had the problem with is this.
He married a woman called Aisha, right?
She was six during the marriage contract and she was consummated at nine.
rex jones
Really?
tim tompkins
You want to tell people what consummated is, man?
rex jones
Well, that means sexual relations.
So he waited to engage in monstrous pedophilic acts with this young girl, you know, just for three years, you know, because that's right.
And that's what he deemed to be proper because he's the prophet Muhammad.
Police be upon him is what I say.
People say peace be upon him.
I say police because he's pedophile and should be arrested for his sex crimes.
But, you know, he owned this girl and he had sex with her.
Obviously, he owned her because even if it's a free marriage or whatever, a six-year-old or a nine-year-old could never consent.
And like, I have an eight-year-old sister.
This is monstrous.
So like, we're allowed to say, fuck you.
Like, this is barbaric, like pig shit, ultimately.
And they say pigs are haram.
I say, like, you behave like pigs if you worship or pay reverence to a man that engaged in these kinds of actions.
It's not okay.
It's not okay to rape little girls.
And like, I'm glad we have X and Rumble and YouTube to say stuff like this.
But like, this is a very rational, simple calculation.
Like, this isn't compatible with what you were taught, right?
tim tompkins
No.
And that was like the thing that I was like, okay, where this all layers out and you can sit there and like be like, okay, whatever.
I always say the reason why I'm not 100% religious in certain aspects is like, depending on where you live is what you follow, right?
And everybody says, you are wrong about this.
This is the truth.
You're wrong about this.
This is.
rex jones
And you have a hard time sorting through.
tim tompkins
Exactly, because who knows to say, like, who goes to say, like, if I wasn't born in China, like, they think Christianity is dumb and like, you know, these things about Jesus.
But I digress on those things.
I'm just saying in general, one thing I do know without going into specifics about being with a six-year-old, not okay.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
Being with a nine-year-old, not okay.
rex jones
Unacceptable.
tim tompkins
Raping people and deciding that you want to just go kill people because they're not.
rex jones
Slaves and then rape them.
tim tompkins
Not okay.
Not okay.
And so here's the thing.
I look at just like, if I take things objectively and I just look at, okay, well, what was the religion built off of?
Christianity and Jesus.
I grew up Christian.
My grandma was a pastor.
I don't remember Jesus marrying a six-year-old.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
I remember him healing the people.
rex jones
He was just telling people to murder people?
tim tompkins
Nope.
rex jones
Or to fight him.
tim tompkins
I remember him calling for peace.
I remember him going in trying to heal the sick, heal the wounded.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
And, you know, when the Romans come for Jesus, when he's in the garden of Gethsemane and Judas has betrayed him, you know, Peter is there and Peter uses his sword and he slices off one of the guards' ears.
And Jesus says, put away your sword.
And he heals the man on the spot.
And Jesus is someone, this is why the symbol of the cross is so powerful.
That was the scariest symbol for hundreds and hundreds of years.
Romans are like, look, if you disobey us, we're going to put you up on a giant piece of wood with your arms stretched out.
You're going to be nailed to it.
And we're going to stab you and let you bleed out and die.
And everyone's going to come.
tim tompkins
Now, here's the thing.
Romans practice their own theology of what they believe, but even in their practice.
rex jones
Well, what I'm saying is the found the foundation of these two religions could not be more diametrically opposed.
You have one religion where the person you're supposed to emulate by being a Christian, which means little Christ, you're supposed to be like Jesus.
There is no greater love than to lay one's life down for one's friends.
And that's what Jesus says.
And that's what he does.
And Jesus, God, calls us his friends versus in this, you're a slave.
If you don't believe in me, you're the worst of all creatures.
We will conquer you and make you pay.
Muhammad is like, they say Muhammad's better than Jesus.
But they acknowledge that Jesus is divine and Muhammad is not divine.
So where does that come from?
Clearly, it's been written in by someone named Muhammad.
tim tompkins
And then also just think about it this, like even if I don't go the Christianity and the Judaism route, just look at Hinduism.
If I look at Hindus and I look at the practice of what they do, they have more polytheistic.
They have polytheistic, but what they do is they have the worship of the specific things.
Like they have a God of money where they worship the importance of financial and being smart with money and those types of things.
They have a God of wisdom where they worship that being like.
Gathering knowledge is super important and they don't want it.
rex jones
And yeah, it sounds like Egypt in Rome to me.
tim tompkins
Well, and here's the thing.
rex jones
But, and a lot, a lot of a lot of those eastern religions, like they'll have an ancestral spirit or something that like protects the house, and like that that goes back to Norse tradition, that goes back to Celtic tradition, like there's there's a lot of these common threads through religion.
None of them are like okay, blueprint to take over conquer.
Like we're moving in, you pay the tax, you're gonna die.
Like this is very clearly done for one specific purpose.
And you know, if someone tells you something like they go, we're the religion of peace, that's like almost scarier than being.
We're the religion of war.
Yeah, it's like it's an inherent deception.
And look, look up, it's takiyah.
It's the process of you're allowed to lie in Islam if it furthers the jihad.
You look up that.
It's t-i-q-y-a, I believe.
Or maybe I a t-i-what uh Takia, i'll just look up t-a-q-y, I don't know.
Yeah Takiya, maybe someone in the chat can and can spell it.
Yeah, like I, i'm a Christian, I believe in Jesus Christ at the end of the day.
tim tompkins
Uh yeah, it's Tiqi y ya, and it is a classic concept that allows a Muslim to conceal their faith under threat of persecution.
rex jones
This is, this is what the, this is what the AI says.
And the AI also calls Muhammad the gentle leader.
So, like I, I like a gentle leader who led dozens of raids and killed thousands and thousands of people.
tim tompkins
Yeah allowance, well it is.
It is the faith.
Okay, even other force source uh, even even other sources are confirmed.
rex jones
Well, what is the faith?
The faith is to conquer yeah right well yeah yeah, that's that's the.
tim tompkins
But just to clarify, it's not like it's saying if you are in danger or harm from being Muslim, that's what they're talking about, not necessarily like, go around, lie to people.
rex jones
It's concealing their.
It's concealing their intentions, because they know, if their intentions were revealed, that they would be ostracized for having these fundamentalist positions, when in fact they hold them.
It's, it's deception, right and like.
This is the problem is, this doesn't exist in any other religion.
This is unique to Islam and yet this is the one.
It's just really weird.
They call it why that's spreading the host and they call it the Red green Alliance because it is interesting and i'm a Pro-Palestine person and I've made that very clear on the broadcast, and me and Tim disagree on a wide number of things on that perspective.
But there is a definite, really weird factor and I hear the Pro-Israel people say this all the time.
I hear my dad say it all the time, quite honestly, it's true why do the people that have like the pride flag and like the furry outfit I've seen this.
They are like, the most pro like Muslim immigration, the most pro, like I get being Pro-Palestine I really do but like like, like you're, you're wearing like furry boots and you have a pride flag and you're calling for a global intifada.
tim tompkins
Well like, you know why.
The reason why is one first reason, there's ignorance.
rex jones
They'll throw you off a fucking.
tim tompkins
They don't.
They don't read this, they haven't read this version, they don't know what's in the Quran, they don't know about these radical practices and what they're preaching for.
First of all, they step foot in Gaza.
Hamas is executing their ass.
Okay that's, that's not even permitted.
So they're like, yeah, let's support uh, Hamas and those types of things when they're not even part of that.
All I am saying is uh, With the furries and everything, part of it is that ignorance, and then there's also literally Muslim groups that are out there pushing a specific propaganda and they're playing a long game.
Like, you literally have like Qatar that buys up resources here in America and pays our politicians and goes and gifts us a you know a billion-dollar jet basically for us to go ahead and fly around.
And they're playing the strategic, they have their own news channels and things in which they push whatever narrative that they want to push, you know.
So, uh, were you going to show the gun?
rex jones
Yeah, I was just going through this just as interesting thing for people to look at while you're making your point.
So, the gun that was used was a Beretta BMX1, I believe.
That's, I scrolled a little too far.
Yeah, BR BRX1.
My apologies.
I wasn't familiar with this rifle, but there you can see the gun there.
You can also see the gun here.
This is what he used.
He had a red dot optic up there in place of the iron sights.
And apparently, this rifle is praised for people like it for whatever.
It's just what the GPT says.
It's praised for quick follow-up shots, oof, which is what he was doing, right?
And he was just cranking that thing, right?
So let's go to chambered in modularity, interchangeable barrels, bullet heads, and magazines for quick caliber changes.
So you got 308, which is this right here, is a 308.
tim tompkins
It's pretty big.
rex jones
This will drop a deer, and the deer won't move, right?
30 odd six, which is uh, or no, it actually doesn't say that.
It said that on the website, though.
I think it is actually chambered in 30 odd six, which is even bigger.
Yeah, look at that thing, dude.
Um, 6.5 Creedmoor, which is around the same size, 300 wind mag, which is a little bigger than that slightly, I believe.
Forearm grip and stock components can also be swapped.
Trigger, like 2.1, 3.3 pounds of trigger pull.
So it's got a light trigger.
It's easy.
It's easy to over and over with this gun.
And I see here a detachable five-round polymer box magazine, but I looked it up and they have 10 to 20-round magazines available for this.
And I think he had one because he was shooting too much to just be like replacing, replacing, replacing.
I didn't see him reload.
No, I saw him fire.
tim tompkins
I saw him reload.
I saw him reload, but he reloaded pretty fast.
rex jones
Yeah, well, I saw him fire like eight shots, I believe, at one point.
So I think he had a 10-round magazine.
And like, of course, that's one of the key things that they come after and try to restrict his magazine size.
Relevance to the Bondi shooting.
Yeah.
Why does he have the shotgun shells on him, man?
Like, like, what's up?
tim tompkins
That part doesn't make sense.
Don't you have a picture of that?
rex jones
Uh, yeah, no, I definitely do.
Where's that?
Sorry, guys.
tim tompkins
Yeah, that was that.
That was a really confusing thing for me.
It's right there.
rex jones
There he is.
There he is.
tim tompkins
I don't know.
rex jones
Yeah.
What's up with that?
Because like you certainly can't have a sawed-off pump or something.
tim tompkins
And like in Australia, maybe he had another gun inside of his bag.
rex jones
It's not big enough.
It's not big enough.
It'd be a big, it'd be a big, like, we looked at the like Australian firearms license and what it gives you.
And like, it, the semi-automatics are the most restricted thing.
And like pump shotgun, like you have to be like level C.
And he was like AB.
tim tompkins
He was AB.
rex jones
So like, I guess that's just like a breech barrel where you literally click it and then shoot and you get two shots.
But I don't get why he's got all that.
He's got bird shot and buckshot is what I think that is.
I don't get it.
It's really messed up to be like, I'm going to torture people and like shoot bird shot in their face once they can't move around anymore because that wouldn't kill a man.
But maybe it would.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Never killed him.
tim tompkins
That's insane.
rex jones
Yeah.
You could see him here.
I mean, he's trained.
He's focused.
He knows what he's doing.
He's like, yeah, I'm killing the infidel.
Praise Muhammad.
tim tompkins
Yep.
rex jones
There he is.
What do we have here?
Oh, and I saw someone else.
We should just mention this really quick.
Like, this happened.
And like, we just flew under the radar.
tim tompkins
Three hours ago.
Read this.
rex jones
On Saturday evening, on Saturday evening, a gunman fired over 40 rounds in the Barus and Holy Engineering building, killing two students and injury nine others during a final exam review session in Providence, Rhode Island.
Seven injured students remain hospitalized in stable condition, one in critical condition, and one has been discharged.
Police detained a person of interest, 24-year-old Benjamin Erickson from Wisconsin at a nearby hotel as the campus locked down last night and canceled all fall semester finals.
The community now focuses on blah, blah, blah.
tim tompkins
That's a white guy.
rex jones
Well, you never know.
And even if it is a white guy, maybe he's that they're claiming that he's yelled alua or alu akbar.
tim tompkins
Really?
rex jones
Yeah.
tim tompkins
So crazy.
rex jones
Which just means God is great.
And it sucks that they've polluted a phrase.
tim tompkins
No, but you know what's not cool?
rex jones
What?
tim tompkins
I do not like for these particular reasons.
Like, I used to be a big fan of Andrew Tate for like just speaking against like the mainstream and the crazy wokeness that was going on with transgender.
rex jones
Hustlers University.
tim tompkins
No, but no, I'm not.
I think that's a grift, but I didn't like how far they went with the right wing stuff.
Not right wing, sorry.
Let me correct myself.
Red pill stuff and coming to like women or dogs.
Dogs, but then like it was like, then he started making Islam cool to like a huge, small, like these little boys making Islam cool is wild.
But you know what?
rex jones
He went around with Uthman.
He like literally, there's videos him being like, I we will conquer.
tim tompkins
And you know, and you know what's crazy?
I watched a video of Sneeko when he got his thing on band and he talks about how he denounces the red pill community.
He's, he didn't, he didn't say explicitly he was sorry, but he was basically like, I'm sorry that I took this position and I was brainwashed like the rest of them.
But then he'll still stand by the Islam and Allah and Isha'Allah.
And you know what's crazy?
Look, you guys don't know this.
Sneeko was one of my like best friends growing up.
rex jones
It's a small world.
tim tompkins
It's a very real.
I'm not kidding.
We grew up in New Haven, Connecticut together.
We went to the same school.
He came over my house.
I went over his.
We played video games together playing Black Ops 2 on his Nintendo Switch.
We did everything.
We were on the same soccer teams.
We went to the same, we went to the same travel teams.
We were close growing up.
Deep lore, right?
So it's insane when I know his family.
I know how he grew up.
And it's nothing to do with Islam, right?
This only came because Andrew Tate started making it cool, which Andrew Tate used to be Christian and his brother still is kind of.
And then he switched over to Islam once it kind of like confirmed.
Yeah, it literally confirmed like the things that he was already doing and justified them almost, right?
rex jones
Well, it's just almost like if you're like a conquering warlord, it's a great system for you, right?
Exactly.
And you know, you know, the Arabic word for hashish for like concentrated weed product.
And I heard Michael Savage go over this and I thought it was like a real hard rant from an unknown.
I was like, ooh, I didn't know this.
Like this is fucking cool.
So the word hashish, like the concentrated marijuana, it means assassin.
Okay.
In Arabic.
And basically what they would do is they would take a guy, like, I don't know, like a version of you where you're 17 and you don't know what electricity is.
And like you, you live in this area and you're just, you're, you're just a guy.
And they come up to you and they go, look, come with us.
And they give you this drug and they take you through like this magical, like literally like a theme park experience of like the beautiful women, like the meet, the music, all this shit.
They take you to like a pleasure room.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
And they go, this is heaven.
And when you kill the person for the prophet or when you kill the person for the country or for the jihad, you will come back to this land.
And this is where your 72 virgins are.
So they would drug people and then give them the religious experience of being in the heaven and understanding the divine mission.
tim tompkins
And how old were these kids?
rex jones
Like young, young.
And also like, just people didn't have an understanding, man.
Like, you don't, you don't, you don't know what the thing is.
Now, we understand, like, you take a substance, it fucks you up, right?
But, like, they thought they're having like a divine, like, religious experience where their mission is to kill now.
And, like, that's the word means assassin.
tim tompkins
And so, literally, for this reason, this is why I have a massive issue with it.
When you are young and you are moldable, you have to be very careful who has a platform and who can speak about certain things and push certain things.
rex jones
What are you talking about?
tim tompkins
Because there's a susceptible.
I'm talking about the same point I was making about Andrew Taylor.
It's not making Islam making Islam cool for a 15-year-old who has no idea what the Quran actually says and just thinking, like, let's go to Dubai, bro.
rex jones
They want to communicate.
They want to put community notes and stuff all over everything and whatnot.
And talking not about X, but just like YouTube and whatnot.
There'll be disclaimers for things.
Like, tell the truth about this religion.
You know what I mean?
And like the history of it and what's taking place over time, because you have to for people to make this informed decision.
And like, it's, it's called dawah, which is like bringing people to Islam.
And essentially, what they try to get you to do is like the first step to being a Muslim.
And they lie and they say, like, Christianity is divided.
We're not divided when they have Shia and Sunni and Salafi and Takfiri and all the different groups that the Christians have.
It's just differently done and whatnot.
They say it's simple.
All you have to do is say the Shahada, which is just reciting a passage from the Quran, which basically swears fealty to the Prophet.
And they tell you that's all you have to do.
And then once they get you in there, like if you leave, you're an apostate and you're a problem.
You see, so you commit by just doing that simple action.
tim tompkins
That's a good point.
And I want to clarify one thing.
As I'm talking about these things, these things, and as we are bringing them up here for you guys to see about the Quran, it does not mean that like you go out and you see a brown person and a Muslim person, and then like they're suddenly like they're an extremist or something, and you should hate them.
There is a part of the Muslim community in which there's a modern version where they do not practice these things.
And the best examples I can show are like places like Dubai, places like Qatar and Saudi Arabia that have their culture or whatever, but you can go in there and there's like a Western like feel or influence to it.
And they're, they're, they're tight on like crime and like they'll still probably cut your hand off if you try to go and rob a store, but they're not sitting there.
The American that's in the bar drinking it up with his girl there.
rex jones
They're not going in there shooting him because he's practicing and I hear you, but ultimately, here's my position is like even the moderate version and whatnot, it's not compatible with our culture, right?
And this is this is the thing.
You have this blueprint and then the people come over here and they say, we're not, we're, we're moderate, we're, we're doing this, we're doing that, we're doing the other thing.
I can believe that and buy into it, but I've read your book.
Well, this is the problem.
tim tompkins
Well, let me clarify.
I'm not really talking about the religion.
I'm talking about the ethnicity now more specifically.
They've taken kind of the religion.
They've taken the religion out of it when it comes to these like big cities like NEOM that they're trying to create in these projects.
They haven't made it like something holy and they stopped kind of practicing the religious aspects to it.
And it's more just money talks.
It's our business.
rex jones
Are you talking about the communities in the U.S.?
tim tompkins
I'm talking about communities overseas, which bring in a lot of these outside countries in Western, like a Dubai, which have all these super cool projects going on and things that they're trying to incentivize business.
They don't make it a religious thing, which is why I can't just be like, all right, well, we need to get rid of all the people who look like them and are brown because it's not all this.
rex jones
And we were talking about this before we went live.
And it's an interesting observation, I think.
You know, you're from New York, right?
And there's a saying down here.
We call it Elvis Country, right?
Where you got three groups, you got white people, got black people, got Mexican.
And, like, if you're Asian or whatever, like that too.
But, like, it's pretty much like you are what you are.
But up north, it's like Puerto Rican, Greek, you know, Dominican.
You could be from any one of these numbers of places.
I think they speak like 114 languages in the five bros.
So, like, there's not necessarily a concept of like someone walking down the street, like being perceived as being like a Jew or something like that, right?
Whereas in New York, like, if you're like, oh, like, that guy is like eating a bagel with locks, and he kind of like, even if he's not wearing the thing, you're like, kind of like, okay, I kind of make an assumption just by looking at the guy as to what he is.
The same with Zora Mamdani, right?
Like, Zora Mamdani said that he smokes weed, which is not a Muslim thing to do.
And he doesn't, his wife models, right?
So, like, that's against the stuff that I've read in the Quran, right?
But he, his identity, what he associates with, and what people associate him with, is being the Muslim mayor, right?
But that's because more an ethnic identity that's now kind of married to that religion because of the American perception of brown equaling Muslim.
tim tompkins
Yeah, it's like it's interesting.
It's like me.
Yeah, it's like me walking around.
I'm immediately, uh, if I have sweatpants and a sweatshirt, I'm thug, right?
rex jones
They think of you, yes.
tim tompkins
Yeah, I, even though I have no association, you guys have seen me a lot on camera.
I basically talk very well-dressed, very, but I, you know, why I do that, it's because of the perception.
rex jones
I understand.
tim tompkins
I have to make sure that that's the thing.
I'm, I, I'm, guys, I had quarter zips in fashions before in fashion before they started talking about the YNs with the quarters.
rex jones
You guys, you have to Bill Gates.
I got the fluffy sweater.
tim tompkins
I got the quarter zips out, baby.
You have the fluffy sweater.
This was me in high school.
This was me in college.
This was before they made it mainstream.
And I love what they're doing with the whole quarter zip aspect.
But look, you gotta, you gotta not fit in with society, but you need to do the things that are like net positive.
rex jones
No, no, I understand.
And ultimately, like, everyone's gonna be perceived a certain way, right?
And it just comes down to people being people.
And ultimately, like, we're trying to rise to a higher level, but people are tribal and people make judgments, you know, and we talk about this in the gray area, right?
Like, I don't want to say because someone is a Muslim that I'm not going to, you know, look at them with respect and kindness and treat them with all the dignity that a human being deserves.
But what I am saying is, you don't get to tell me that your religion is the religion of peace and that, you know, like ultimately, it's good.
It would be more moral for me to do what you do when you want or you're fine with like my eight-year-old sister getting married to somebody.
Yeah, ultimately.
And even if you're not fine with it, you go, oh, no, no, that's the ancient time.
It is what it is.
You worship or pay respect to the guy that did that.
And like, my God didn't do that.
Jesus didn't do that.
As far as I understand from what they say, the Buddha didn't do that, right?
Did the Buddha rape a six-year-old?
tim tompkins
No, Buddha was very peaceful.
rex jones
But like, I don't, I don't, like, it's just, it's beyond anything.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
And so, you know, I also have Muslim friends.
Uh, I went to college with people who are like from Pakistan.
Like, those people I went to school with, great people.
They're, but they're American first generation.
But it's just like, look, there is a there is a group that is messing up for the rest of them.
And the people who aren't doing those things sometimes actually back enough.
Yeah, they're enabling some of this stuff.
rex jones
And they're not, they're not pushing back on it.
And that's the thing.
And, you know, I've seen, and my dad played the clip on the show, and it's a clip from 2017.
And I think it's like the UAE leader.
And he's like, listen, what's going on in Europe right now?
You don't understand who you've let in and like the problems that these people are going to create because you're not strict.
tim tompkins
I don't think I see that.
rex jones
Yeah, that's like that.
We should have had that.
They played that on the Alex Jones show today.
Like, that's a great clip.
Like, it's like you're saying, like, there is sanity when it comes to this in these regions.
Like, they, they get, hey, they're like, hey, we don't want a massive, like, essentially like they're the ruling class.
We don't want a slave uprising of people based on this fundamentalist ideology.
Like, we don't want the underclass to gather around a new because they, because they know the difference.
tim tompkins
These guys know we can either cooperate with the rest of the world, cooperate with these other religions, get super rich, have great lifestyles, or we can be like Afghanistan, or we can be like Iraq, or we can be like the fundamentalists that they see it, they see it from a perspective as to where it's the moral imperative.
rex jones
It's what they must do.
They're not making the value judgment because, I mean, look at the video of the guy.
It's literally the worst thing you could do in the world is get a gun, go to a public space and start gunning down people.
I don't think you could find a worse thing to do besides like Jeffrey Epstein or something, right?
And maybe even that, like just immediate casualty, death, like immediately, the worst action you could take in the shortest amount of time would be that, right?
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
And there's no, there shouldn't be a religion where that's justified in any way.
And like, that's not a rational position to hold.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
Oh, somebody made a good point here.
He said, Muslims are not exempt from hypocrisy like other ethnics or religion.
The power brokers or fortune upper class may appear to be mainstream, but great majority are not.
Yeah, I mean, that is a point to make.
And I'm just saying, like, not a replacement theory, but I know what a good thing is and I know what a bad thing.
And we need more of the good things.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
There to be a consistency and people to like latch on with the idea of getting along with the specific ethnicity.
rex jones
And you know what?
It's our fault too, man.
It's our fault too, because we went into this and we turned them into parking lots.
tim tompkins
100%.
I can't even blame everything on.
rex jones
Yeah.
We had a direct interest.
We had a direct goal of going into the Middle East and wiping out secular governments.
You can say, ah, dictators, bad people, whatever.
We went into places where they had tenuous, but they had peace between different demographics.
And then they go, okay, Islam, what we have here is a blueprint for control.
And if we can get this in the right hands of violent motivated people and tell them, hey, you can rule under this system.
And hey, it's honorable.
This is what your ancestors did.
This is what you should do too.
It's very easy to, with the help of the U.S. government, topple these places and then make them permanently unstable.
No, no, no strong infrastructure or nation can ever be in a place like that.
And it's totally controlled.
tim tompkins
And you know what's crazy?
You hit the nail on the head there because if you think about it's either Iraq or Afghanistan, I have to fact check myself on this.
We went in there, we did the regime change, and then we decided to not pay the military that was actually part of Iraq.
rex jones
You're thinking of the insurgency.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
And so when we went in there, all these military-trained people didn't have the pay.
We made them very angry based off of changing their whole lifestyle because we did a lot of promises and just did things for ourselves.
Then they go, they leave, they flee south, and then they form.
rex jones
I think we spent $6 trillion in Iraq.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
We spent three in Afghanistan for a total of $9 trillion in the desert.
unidentified
And for what?
rex jones
Like, do you want to kill his people?
tim tompkins
All we did at the end of the day was we created a new ISIS, created a new radical group and gave them reason for them to rally behind something that is as bad as these negative practices that happen.
rex jones
Do you see how it's political, right?
Like you have these incentives for gaining control, right?
Like ultimately, like if you don't have a moral compass in the sense of like you consider yourself to be superior and able to enact violence on others, this is a great system.
You get to praise God by taking over an area.
You get to have four wives.
You get to have child wives.
You get to beat your woman if she speaks out of line.
You get to make the people that don't believe what you believe pay tax.
And it's things like I've seen plenty of Imams talk about this stuff.
We should go into it and deep dive in the future because it's a fascinating topic.
Like in Sharia, like you walk in the street and the Muslims walk in the other way, you got to like get off the street.
You got to like obey, basically.
And like your children, I think they must be educated in a Muslim school.
Like you're not homeschooling or anything like that.
It's not allowed.
tim tompkins
I believe.
rex jones
And basically your child has to practice.
And it's like your religion ends with you, and then your children will be, they will follow Sharia because it's all they've ever known.
tim tompkins
And I think the worst part of all this, I said this to somebody the other day.
This goes back so long ago.
Not that I'm going to question whether the person exists in Muhammad and all that.
It's like, imagine.
rex jones
That's a fascinating debate.
tim tompkins
Imagine this sounds so controversial.
I don't want the community to come after me, but I'm just saying for an example, imagine we took a random Austin guy off the street, a homeless guy, and we made him like a deity and then said thousands of years ago, we allowed to create this whole narrative.
And then we have a whole religion that's built off of this homeless guy.
And no one knows who he actually was and what he believed in at that particular point in time.
Not equating the two together.
I'm just giving an extreme example.
So people don't really know what this guy was really like when the religion was basically founded off of them.
And they don't even know if he would have actually been nice to them or actually supported them.
And maybe he would have actually done some really messed up stuff for their family.
rex jones
But they're really going to have to get into the racial aspect of it.
I don't know any of this stuff for certain.
And that's why I'll reference it in a future episode.
I just want to get into it now.
I'm pretty sure there's some pretty racist stuff, especially pertaining to the black people.
Because, I mean, who sold the most black people?
It was the Arab Muslim slave traders.
Like, this is the truth.
So, like, there's a whole even darker side of this that we haven't even gotten into.
And that's because facts need to be verified.
And I don't want to make a statement about a religion without being 100% verified.
And everything we've said here tonight is verified.
We've gone to it and referenced it.
But like, this is the religion where like slavery, you're like, hell yeah.
Well, like, we're going to sell people and make money.
Like, let's go.
Let's do it.
Our God says it's okay.
And not only does our God say it's okay, our number one prophet, our messenger, practiced it during his lifetime.
Like, he, he, so he bought and sold people.
And, like, that's just, we got to leave that behind.
That, that, that, that, that's something that died a long time ago.
We got to keep it dead, but it's still alive in these countries, a lot of them, like Libya, for example.
And they don't even have a government anymore.
It's a failed state.
They literally have slave auctions.
tim tompkins
Yep.
rex jones
And what's the religion there?
tim tompkins
You know, so like religion can be a powerful thing or it can be a very dangerous thing.
And as we've seen, do you want to take any calls?
rex jones
Or if you want to debate Negroper, you can.
tim tompkins
You know, I know Negroper has been sitting here.
unidentified
He's scratching.
tim tompkins
He's like, I need to say some things specifically.
I want to allow people calling first.
rex jones
We can do it two and a half hour.
We can take, we can take two or three.
tim tompkins
So I want to, I'll open up the line for a couple people to call in.
We'll keep them short.
Negroper, we'll let you on as well.
unidentified
I want no paz, peace, peace, no war, no war, peace, peace.
I only want peace.
tim tompkins
No, I mean, I'm not really afraid.
It's just more so I'm tired.
rex jones
So yeah, no, today's been an emotional day.
Went through a lot.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
So in general, like we can debate.
I don't want to turn it into a full debate, but I'm curious to hear what you guys got going on, what you guys want to talk about.
And also just like reaction to the stuff that we've shown specifically.
But let's get some people in here.
unidentified
What's going on?
rex jones
I don't know.
I'm asking it to connect to the show.
tim tompkins
Is it logged in?
unidentified
Yeah.
No, we're logged in.
tim tompkins
What the fuck?
Give me a second.
unidentified
yeah go ahead let's exit this real quick I had a couple issues.
rex jones
It dropped collars on me.
tim tompkins
Did it?
rex jones
Yeah, it did.
tim tompkins
Could be.
I saw you put more money in there, which is the host.
We're going to go ahead and throw this up here for you guys.
unidentified
You're now in the host room and can manage your callers from the call-in studio web in.
Alright guys,
tim tompkins
alright Can you guys hear?
Because I hear YouTube is having some issues.
People on X, can we, people on X, people on Rumble, whoever's watching and on YouTube, can you guys check if you can hear us, please?
I just want to make sure it's either a YouTube issue and not the rest.
Please let us know.
New Gripper, can you say a couple things on our phone?
rex jones
We're making noise, but go ahead.
tim tompkins
Make sure you guys can hear New Groyper.
Okay, they can hear.
You guys can hear New Groyper, okay?
All right, let's go.
Let's go ahead.
All right, so get it off the chest.
Where are we at?
I know I said a lot of things over the last week that you've had contention with.
unidentified
You ducked me last, you ducked me last show.
new groyper in south
I felt the cowardice radiating off of you, man.
I don't know what's going on with you.
unidentified
You caught me.
new groyper in south
I'm going to have to hold him down and like red tail him again.
rex jones
Well, I mean, here's the thing.
You were just in Germany.
You didn't sleep for like three days.
You came back here.
Like, we're being professional.
So we're still doing a show, right?
tim tompkins
Yeah, yeah.
rex jones
That's what it comes to.
tim tompkins
And I told him, I was like, I don't want to say something on air that I didn't mean.
And in a loopy phase like that, where I've only gotten one two hours of sleep in like a couple of days, probably I'll say something.
rex jones
It's a diarrhea of the mouth, you know, especially not prepared.
tim tompkins
And we're live too.
So that can always bite me in the ass later on.
So we're kind of good right now.
rex jones
Professional.
We're being professional.
But what's your point, New Grooper?
new groyper in south
All right.
So, so last show, a couple of things that stuck out.
One, I think it's pretty clear that, Tim, I think at least you, you probably haven't watched like a whole episode of Nick's show.
There were some generalizations made there that just weren't in aligned with what Nick said.
For example, about him being racist, right?
Like, that's like the line of thing that Piers Morgan said.
Well, if you would want, if you'd watch his show, he says things like in sarcasm, and it's kind of a rebuttal because it's like nobody's going to understand his point to begin with.
And the whole thing is, he's not racist.
tim tompkins
Oh, yeah, I agree with you on that.
So let me clarify my point.
rex jones
That's literally, we had this conversation.
tim tompkins
It's off air.
rex jones
And I said, you know, I think Fortez is actually racist.
And I don't think that's a bad thing.
I think you should be allowed to feel whatever way you feel.
And you were like, no, I don't actually buy it.
tim tompkins
Yeah, I want to say, I don't think he's actually racist, New Graper.
I think if I met Nick in real life and I were to have a conversation with him, he would treat me just fine and we'd have a conversation.
And he kind of like reminds me sometimes of like, it's an Xbox lobby and me and my joke, me and my friends say some hilarious racist shit that doesn't mean we're racist.
So I give some of those things.
The thing I didn't like what Pierce did was he tried to formulate the questions into traps in which he got him to basically say what he wanted him to in order to create a narrative.
And then Nick was just like, you know what?
I don't really feel like debating you right now.
So I'm just going to give you this nugget.
new groyper in south
Yeah, well, it was the same thing that Candace tripped pulling.
And it's like, when he's talked about race, he's not a racist because he doesn't view any one race as being superior.
But he does, he does, he is like, his stance is that he's a racialist, essentially, which is that there are distinct differences amongst the people groups, which is observable in reality.
I mean, it's not that one's better than the other, but you know, even DNA, the DNA is.
tim tompkins
You're taking the textbook definition of what a racist means.
And like from that context, you are accurate in terms of like the true definition of racist, which is where I was leaning on that.
But specifically surrounding the concept, like words morph just like the word gay used to mean happy.
Like the words morph depending on the evolution of people's communication and how they and how the people mean it can change.
So racism now is not just mutually exclusive to that.
It's actually a behavior of like the biases and how your your behavior and attitude actually come out as well.
And I will say there's certain things that I don't like that he does and that like he does try to push the needle.
And there's things that I don't agree with him on, but I don't hate the dude.
I have no like specific like beef with him.
It's just I don't agree with how he's trying to, he's not, I don't think he's going to change the status quo the way that he thinks.
Like we've had millions of people that have tried this and it has never had true lasting change specifically.
rex jones
Your thoughts, New Groper?
new groyper in south
I would say this.
Yeah, no, I would say this.
Like people, people and nations and people groups have always existed and they've always been distinct, which is why, I mean, there's why you can take a DNA test and it determines where you're from.
So, so, and what he, what, what his whole point is, is that there are differences.
And like, you know, some people say that he's racist because he recognizes pattern recognition.
And pattern recognition is something that's been ingrained for humans for thousands of years.
It was a survival instinct that we had.
You know, and so it's, it's like, if we're going to, if we're going to represent, you know, like take a look at what he's saying, we have to understand the nuances of what he's saying because the problem is, is that people, when they hear a clip here and a clip there, they don't even clip it, right?
So it's out of context.
tim tompkins
Yeah, they do that.
new groyper in south
And then they build this whole.
rex jones
That's fair.
And like, I would just say, like, that's a part of the game.
And like, I've watched many of Fuentes' show.
So like, I, I, I have a pretty good perspective on him.
And like, I, I just, I just, I think it takes, I think it takes that.
And honestly, it's hard in this modern environment when you have to like know about all these talking heads and whatnot to know about politics.
And like I figured out through about Fuentes because he was good at his job.
Right.
And it's, it's easy to follow people that are good at their job because it's easy to follow what they're doing.
And I, I see the reason why he's so popular is because there are so few people that have actually risen up through meritocracy in a media environment.
It's literally, it's who you know.
It's the Fox News relationship, the CNN relationship, you know.
So this era of new media coming through, like he's become popular because I think he is riffing, but he is also being for real.
tim tompkins
He's not a Brylin.
rex jones
Yeah, definitely not a Brylin Holy In.
But go ahead, New Grouy.
new groyper in south
Brylan, AstroTurf, like, you know, fake human NPC.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
And here's one other thing I want to clarify for you, New Groyper.
You said something about like the whole like race thing.
When I make my points, and I talk about what this with Rex off air as well, my biggest contention with all of this is the fact that race is so involved.
You said like he's understanding the differences between humans, I mean, between different races and people are different.
Just objectively speaking, by the way, if you go look it up, you can fact check me, but humans are like 99.8, 99.9%.
new groyper in south
Yeah, but they're still different.
tim tompkins
No, no, no, but that's that difference.
I'm going to tell you where the differences come from.
They don't come from a biological standpoint.
They come from a culture and where you were born and assimilation based off of whatever rules and formation of ideologies.
All I said to Rex.
Well, that's fun, but like, well, let me finish my point.
Hold on.
Let me finish my point.
I said his arguments on certain things sometimes just boil down to just the race, whereas he should be attacking the culture of whatever is being brought in.
Because, for example, I may be black, but I have more in common probably with other races in terms of who are just living a suburb normal lifestyle because that's what I've been brought up in, more than just being black and being associated with that.
And I say like when he says, like, he's joking in jest, like, oh, when you see a black person, you should go and turn the other way.
It's not really the race.
It's mainly because the dangerous black people that have created the crime.
And he's referencing Chicago.
rex jones
I said this on the live when you weren't here.
Look, if anyone looks like a thug and they're walking down the street, I'm going to probably cross the street, right?
It doesn't matter the race of the person.
tim tompkins
And that comes down to culture, right?
rex jones
I would say so, but it's also like, it's okay to make a value judgment in that circumstance because the alt, so you're either rude or you might die.
tim tompkins
But I would do the same thing for a white guy, too.
rex jones
And I get it.
And that's the point I'm making too.
But ultimately, there are things that like that Irina lady, the Ukrainian lady, she didn't understand the inner city violent crime problem.
She didn't understand, you know, what exactly to look out for in regards to that.
And then she gets knifed in the neck, right?
And if she had been rude or mean or profiled, even if it is rude or mean, maybe she's alive.
And like, this is, this is, this, this is the point.
And this is why Nick makes the points that he does is because we're not willing to concede that point because like it's, it's better to be rude and be alive than it is to like, oh, the socioeconomic factors of being stabbed in the neck.
Like that, that would be my argument.
tim tompkins
Yeah, but I also want to make a point specifically around exposure.
His upbringing, he's, he tries to point to Chicago, but he was not like he wasn't in the inner cities like that.
I've grew up in the inner cities.
I know all of these particular things.
If you're actually in the hood for the most part, you can walk just fine without having something, unless you're like going at a specific time of night where like the real crazy people come out and there's like real bullshit that happens.
rex jones
Yeah, but see, that's that's for that's for you, though.
tim tompkins
And that might see as someone else, I'm not saying that just for me.
I'm saying even when I've taken my white friends in those areas, it's common sense that comes out of, but again, when you see the news, they have to show you the tantalizing thing.
It doesn't mean that those people aren't committing crime.
I'm just saying the day-to-day looks a lot different than what's being represented on the main stage.
rex jones
The issue is fought over, and I want to get New Greper's take on this.
The issue is fought over and not conceded here specifically because of how these European countries treat the people that actually commit the crime, right?
Like they don't lock them up or they release them on early jail or whatever.
And then if you tweet about it or you say something about it, they put you in prison, right?
And this is what we see.
So this is why this is why people are willing to die on that hill, in my opinion, is just because that can't happen over here.
We can't reach that point to where, you know, to be nice to the criminal exceeds their desire to actually protect the citizen.
tim tompkins
I'm not with that California bullshit.
New Greyper, what about you?
What's your contention on this?
new groyper in south
Well, I would say this.
Like there is, you know, I think it goes beyond just cultural, but I mean, like, there are genetic differences between, like, even between black and white.
Like, for example, as a white guy.
tim tompkins
Tell me if it's 99.9, how is it different?
Like, what does it mean?
new groyper in south
Yeah.
And also, I'd say this, too.
The guy who found, like, figured out DNA, he came out and said he believes at like studying it his whole life and as the guy who kind of wrote the book on it, that he, he, you know, that he believes that there's a difference between races on a genetic level.
rex jones
They took his Nobel, didn't they?
I think they took his Nobel Prize away.
tim tompkins
No, I know.
rex jones
That guy's prize away.
unidentified
Yeah.
new groyper in south
Oh, yeah, because he said that.
Yeah, they kicked him out of his lab and exiled him because he dared say what we all know.
tim tompkins
Well, but there's enough science to refute what he's particularly saying.
Like, I know you're taking the circumstance, but there's a lot of people that don't have like a political leaning and you look objectively at the science.
Like there is a specific thing.
Like I'm not saying like everything.
That's why there's that point too that presents.
rex jones
It comes down to this is that you can't you can't look at a group of people and make a judgment about them because ultimately individuals are individuals and to do that to any one group, I believe is wrong and it's not a Christian thing to do.
I understand the points that both of y'all are making and I would just come at it and say all people have equal value and deserve equal rights and opportunities.
Oh yeah.
And like, I just, here's the thing.
If we if we all hate each other for various reasons or various differences and whatnot, the people that agree on everything because of their religious system, like these Muslims, they don't have this problem.
It's like you worship a movement.
new groyper in south
They're genetically like they're the same group.
rex jones
Yeah, but they got the gingers and they got they got they got the white converts.
They got the black converts.
Like it that it doesn't care.
tim tompkins
No, by the way, Nigro, there are literally white people in, like, who are actually Muslim.
And who are like, I'm saying white.
When I say white, I'm talking about like pigmentation-wise, but like have that.
No, even European, but also like who are Middle Eastern, but are actually like fair, white-skinned people because of the literal Asian.
Right, exactly.
We prescribe the word white, right?
Here's the issue.
We say race because we've we've created that, right?
We've created the system where on a sheet of paper, you have to check whether you're white, black, Asian, or Hispanic, right?
We've created that system, but from a genealogy standpoint and from just an earth in the ground standpoint, nature doesn't care about that shit.
Okay.
Really, you're just looking at the pigmentation difference.
And if I were to line up like five Middle Eastern people that look white just off of pigmentation, they're culturally different because of the specific things that they learned there.
Now, if there's a Muslim person who has a background of who's like, I don't want to say Muslim, who's Middle Eastern, who is born in America and has never been exposed to Islam, more likely he's going to be like, if he's like lived like you in, you know, having a lot of land being here in America, he could be, he could be Christian and he would just be culturally the exact same as rest.
rex jones
That's true.
And I know people like this.
I know like one of my best friends in high school, Seamus, phenomenal guy, half, half Arab, another phenomenal guy, Horace, works for my car, phenomenal dude, great friends of my roommate.
I consider him to be a good friend as well.
Also an Arab guy, right?
And I don't, I don't discredit anyone based on skin color and make a value judgment.
My thing, my thing is around the whole subject is you talk about being nature doesn't care.
I would say God doesn't care ultimately.
Right.
And that would agree.
Yeah.
That's what that's what I would say.
And everyone has a purpose and everyone has value and everyone deserves to be here.
And at the end of the day, I'm against things that are anti-that message.
It's why I'm against the globalist and all that anti-human transhumanist garbage, right?
Of leaving the human race behind and merging with the computers.
It's also why like on both sides of that curve, I'm against like the caveman culture of raping the six-year-old.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
And so like, I'll let you get your point out in a second here, New Grip.
I just want to preface one more thing.
The only issue I have with Nick is not like the funny jokes that he makes because when he was like saying the me mom, me mom, like I was dying laughing.
Like I was pretty funny.
I was like, he's like, it was, it was funny because he was, he was egging him on.
Where I have the issue is, it's like Nick is a well-informed and educated person, but not everybody who watches Nick's knows the nuances to specific things and they will listen to him and take whatever he says as a resource and as a specific, like specific matter of fact.
And if you watch the last show, I specifically said there's an availability bias where Nick can get something wrong on paper and just give you a factoid and then people go and take that fact.
Or a bigger example is when you create just a blanket statement, there are specifics, even if he has nuances to how he feels, there are other people that are like galvanized by this.
And like they're like, remember that thought process I told you?
You go on X, it's one community and the echo chamber happens there.
You go on TikTok, you're going to get, and it's the same like with TikTok and Instagram.
And there's a black community of people that like, I have to sit there and pull them out of their brainwash and how they feel about white people and stuff like that.
There's the Nick Fuentes of the liberal, right?
That's where my Dr. Umar.
rex jones
I'm thinking of Dr. Umar as the Umar.
tim tompkins
Dr. That is a great example.
He would literally uninvite me to his house if he knew that I had been with multiple white women in my lifetime.
rex jones
And I'm also not a fan of me because I date.
And he says, not a fan of that.
It's called Bunny Hawk.
It's called Bunny Hawk.
tim tompkins
You a snow bunny.
rex jones
You're not allowed to bunny hop.
You're the devil.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
But there are people listening, Dr. Umar.
There are people listening to Dr. Umar, and they're like, oh, Rex, you're an awful person because of that, because of the generalized miscegenation.
And so that's all I say is like, dude, I'm going to call everybody out on it.
It's not specific to Fuentes.
It's just like, dude, this is your message, but this is not how you actually change society for the net positive.
And what I'm trying to do is give the right message.
rex jones
I can see that.
I mean, I can see like, definitely, some of the clips and some of the full shows I've seen, I understand the jokes in the context, but I also understand like he's saying black people should be in prison for the most part.
Like, number one, like, I'm like, I, get it's, it's humor and whatnot, but that's a position.
Like, ultimately, if you're trying to make a movement attractive to like the normie or whatever, they're going to see that and they're going to go like, you are Hitler.
tim tompkins
Yeah, there's more people in the center on the bell card.
rex jones
Well, I mean, go ahead, man.
new groyper in south
Well, I just posed this question.
unidentified
Yeah.
new groyper in south
Like, like, with anything, with anything, when you're processing information, we can't help, we can't structure society for low IQ individuals.
They're cooked.
They cannot help it.
That it is what it is.
tim tompkins
Okay.
new groyper in south
But for normal people who have critical, like critical analysis skills, right?
You would look at the context.
Like when he was talking about the black people thing, he explained that in depth.
He's done it on a show multiple times.
And there's a lot of resource out there.
He's referencing the crime.
He's not referencing.
He's not referencing non-violent, you know, non-criminal people.
He's referencing a specific group in there, and there's context there.
And so context drives meaning.
tim tompkins
But I will say, I have watched quite a bit of him as well.
And I will say he doesn't, he makes the jokes, but he doesn't actually often give context.
He's just in a flow state to where he just kind of like says whatever's on his mind, right?
Because he's like, he's just very powerful with his words.
I am saying like in those circumstances where he has to make the blanket statement and say a specific thing, there are people that like, dude, the default human doesn't normally critically think because it takes a lot of brain resource power to do that when you're watching so much media every single day.
So I would say that the average intelligent person is not doing that.
I don't even do that all the time.
And I had to start forcing myself to do that as I start doing these deep dives and the research because it takes a lot of energy to do that, man.
I don't expect everybody to do this.
rex jones
What's your takeaway, New Grooper?
new groyper in south
Yeah, no, I think that obviously we have an obligation to do research.
The problem with the show, with long-running, it's the same thing that happens to Alex Jones.
People jump in and there's a lot of context that is derived from previous episodes and things of that nature.
And I think that people don't get that and they don't take the time to go look at it and they don't like, okay, well, what does he mean by this to go look at it?
And I think that that's where, like, with podcasts, that's where the problem can be.
Like, you know, I think, you know, you know what I think a good idea for you guys would be if you're open to it when you do deep dives on stuff.
Do you guys have a website for your podcast yet?
tim tompkins
No.
rex jones
No, this is a good point.
This is a good point.
Like publishing, like what we're like, like basically show notes.
new groyper in south
Like when you reference statistics and stuff like that, just post it.
You know, and then you bring it back up and pass them.
rex jones
You know, who did that and did such a good job of it?
I'm not trying to interrupt you here.
Steven Crowder, I will especially say during his earlier days.
new groyper in south
Yeah, he does a great job.
rex jones
Yeah, he does a great job of referencing.
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new groyper in south
You know, I wouldn't say a major difference right now because I'm guessing the you're I'm guessing these minerals and stuff, it takes a while to balance out your deficiencies.
But I have noticed a difference.
unidentified
It's like I'm less sluggish, I guess would be the best way to cool.
Cool.
rex jones
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tim tompkins
That takes sometimes some weeks of consistent dosage is what it says.
rex jones
No, 100%.
And especially, are you taking just the mineral or are you taking the ashwagandha as well as the mineral?
new groyper in south
I'm not.
Yeah, I'm not taking the ashwagandha.
I don't consume any products.
rex jones
Makes them indie.
I got you.
But you're taking the mineral.
unidentified
Hey.
new groyper in south
If that's somebody's saying, then I would recommend them try it for me.
rex jones
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Well, the point is you're taking it.
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unidentified
I do agree with you on the website thing.
tim tompkins
Only thing right now is issue.
Like I want to do that in the future, but I want to do it right.
The only reason why I haven't done something like that is because it does require a huge amount of energy in order to like, I want to make sure all that stuff is on there properly, chronological to the thing.
And there's a lot of people.
Yeah, we need another person.
We need a guy in order to like help me with doing things like that because there's a lot of other guy switching too.
rex jones
So it's just, it's a whole thing.
But that's a phenomenal, I agree with you.
I was always, you know, I've had my issues with Crowder over the years, just like as a talking head or whatnot, but I always thought that it was honorable that he did that.
And it helped me in a lot of gun control debates early on with liberals talking to them about stuff being like, hey, like you're using 37,000 gun deaths.
You know, there were like 500,000 to over 3 million defensive uses of a firearm in the same year.
So like having factoids and stuff available, especially, you know, if people are getting real value out of our deep dives or taking something away from our deep dives, being able to index that and reference that, I think that is super important.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
So I agree, New Groyper.
Yeah.
It's a good last.
tim tompkins
Oh, go ahead, Go, man.
Go ahead.
new groyper in south
Yeah, by the way, I know you're probably going to get the other callers here in a second.
rex jones
No, it's just you.
You're the only one on the board yet, man.
You're good.
new groyper in south
Hey.
Guys, you got to call in too.
I mean, there's good ideas out there.
You just got to bring them.
rex jones
Yeah, we've, we've, we've gotten callers, but no one like you.
You're, you're really, really like, you're down for the show.
We appreciate that.
So thank you.
tim tompkins
What were you going to say?
new groyper in south
Yeah no yeah so um, i'm just gonna, i'm gonna say it here and you heard you probably didn't hear it here first, but you'll hear um, this whole thing in Sydney, it's a false flag, not not in the sense, not in the sense that it didn't happen right, but in the sense of it's being used for a specific purpose.
And I think it like like, first of all you, let me, let me just think about this, right the the, the police station is within viewing distance of the shooting okay, and it takes that long to get there.
Two, the shooting is done by got somebody who's clearly trained he he the, the owner of the guns in a gun restricted nation.
That's like, basically like super hard to get, somehow manages to squeak through, and then he's also on a watch list, but somehow they let him have a gun, the watch this thing.
Then, on top of that you've you've, you've got a perfect video of the entire shooting.
And here's the thing that catches me, uh, it happens to be a guy that just happened to be standing there.
And two, look at the cam like, look at the quality of the shot, of the video.
If it's taken by hand, on a, on a, like an iphone or something the camera would shake, especially if there's adrenaline.
You know, like if somebody's shooting and you're within eyes distance of it and you know they can turn and shoot you if they wanted to, that that's going to make adrenaline flow and that's going to make your hands shake.
unidentified
And the video is perfectly still and professionally recorded.
tim tompkins
See that you can get into the weeds with things like that without us all knowing the context, which is why I try not to speculate.
But with that uh, he can easily have his phone rested to where it's sitting on the ledge and he's ducking behind cover for something right, like that's easy, that's an easy and that's what i'm saying.
new groyper in south
That's, that's what I thought about too.
But the thing that was the most interesting about the actual video itself was not the like.
Well, a part of it was how still it was.
But look at the transitions on how he's moving the camera and how it's perfectly smooth.
unidentified
No, but like if you're, there's nuances to people who, left to right, you're gonna shake.
tim tompkins
Here's the thing.
If he had the diligence and a stressful moment to sit there stop, take the time to record and and document.
It means that this, this person, is a particular person.
Well, they do say that the cameraman never dies, you know, but I I see the thread, though that he's trying to draw there.
That is where the rhetoric can get a little bit shaky right, because there's always correlations that don't actually lead to causality.
new groyper in south
Well here here's, here's my evidence for this.
Right uh Israel, in particular they, they staged october 7th right, they staged that.
The whole thing was set up the, the Hamas was funded by.
rex jones
It was.
It was a military stand, it was a military stand down.
It's the most secure border on the on the planet.
I, Ivan Ranklin uh former uh, like tier one operator guy, came on my dad's show.
He's like, look i've, i've been there, i've seen this place.
They have the place where they keep the Apache attack helicopters.
It's like it's right next, It's right next to where the terror attack took place.
I would be there in under 10 minutes with guns roaring.
That's exactly what he said, right?
So I take your point.
I agree with you.
It was a stand down.
And like the Israelis themselves have called for an investigation.
tim tompkins
But this is in Australia.
unidentified
It doesn't mean that Nick Roper.
new groyper in south
Well, here's another aspect: the shooting in Brown University happened at the same time around within a 24-hour period, and it targeted apparently some professor of Judaic studies, Judaic studies.
And they had a bunch of people, a bunch of Jews out there crying about anti-Semitism on the news.
And what's really interesting is that some of the victims that were tied to that Brown shooting were also victims of the Parkland shooting, the high school shooting.
Now, your statistical chance of being caught in a school shooting are minute, probably like less than 1%, if I had to guess, right?
With all the schools every day, you getting caught up in it is this is expensive.
You getting caught in two school shootings?
tim tompkins
Yeah, but it's improbable.
rex jones
Let me here's the here's the thing.
I don't even you can make your speculative judgments on this, and that's fine.
We we value your opinion, but me, as far as person, I don't even like to go there because it's too expensive and I've seen it ruin too many lives.
Yeah, no, right.
new groyper in south
These views are only my own.
rex jones
Yeah, here's the thing: it's just like David Hogg and all these fucking people.
Good grief.
But I mean, it's just, I've seen where this I've seen this movie.
I've seen this movie, and I just, I'm not commenting.
tim tompkins
I'm commenting because I have nothing to do with any of that.
All I am saying is, is looking at the.
new groyper in south
Well, no, yeah, I'd be careful.
tim tompkins
Here's the thing, Gripper.
I'm sure there's going to be some people watching this that will agree with you.
And there's going to be some people like me who are kind of just like who are just like probably more middle ground about this thing.
I'm not going to sit here and be like, oh, you're completely wrong.
There's any number of combinations that could work for this equation, but I'm rooted in probability, right?
The probability, like we've had back-to-back school shootings in certain situations where there have been like within days of each other and those types of things, where it's just it's all about where the explosion of the energy is.
Right now, we're at a very heightened state of conflict within with around these topics about Judaism, uh, uh, Islam and Christian, and it's it's at its peak, right?
So you're going to expect probabilistically that there's going to be more events centered around where there are people who are angry in the background that have heated the conversations about what they should be doing in X, Y, and Z, where you can have multiple events occur across the world.
Because if you're talking about 8 billion people, the chances that I'm with you, the chances that two events that happen in two different places, it's not quite that the probability that it's coordinated is lower than the chance of them actually happening, right?
new groyper in south
Well, at the same time, I'm with you on the probability of there being these events breaking out.
What the where I think the odds drop, in my opinion, is on a person.
Parkland's in, believe me, correct me if I'm wrong.
That one's in Florida, correct?
rex jones
Yes.
new groyper in south
Okay.
And then where is Brown located?
Because I know it's not Florida.
rex jones
It's somewhere up north.
Rhode Island, I believe.
Providence.
new groyper in south
Yeah.
So, so we like from the southernmost point of America to the northernmost.
And it's the same, or it's one of one of the same people is involved in two events.
rex jones
Either that person has the worst luck, and then we need to put them in like a concrete bunker until the end of time because He's saying that someone at the Rhode Island shooting was also a parent victim at the Parkland mass shooting that took place.
I think that was like 2018.
tim tompkins
Yeah, I'm not going to discredit that.
I'm saying when you correlate the thing that's happening in Australia to something that's happening in Rhode Island and that the fact that they're happening on the same day and then tying Israel and then tying it's too many iterations of connections of stream to line where the probability literally drops off a cliff as far as that being like a scenario that clearly is tied together.
I'm just saying the probability that they happen independently of each other because of the fact that there's more heightened emotions is higher than the first scenario.
rex jones
You remember when that there was some peace deal in Gaza that this is while the war is still like, I know it's still going on and whatnot, but this is while it's still going on actively.
And this is maybe, it's crazy how time flies.
I want to say this might be even as far as a year back or something like that.
There was that embassy shooting.
And I forget where it was, but you remember it was the two people and they're like good-looking people and they were like dating each other or something.
And then they both die at this embassy.
And then the guy is like a radical jihadi, like just kill the Jews type of Muslim character, whatnot.
And that happened at a very auspicious time for the peace negotiations.
So an event like that, I can clearly look at it and go, okay, this is really suspect.
But this thing in Rhode Island, there's just not enough data to make that claim.
And I agree with you, Tim.
I'm just not there, even if the parking person is there.
new groyper in south
The thing about it for me is like the reason why I'm so suspicious was the immediate response both by Israel's government on this and political figures both in Australia and America.
They were all like, it was like they all came out at the exact same time.
And it was like, we, the answer to these problems was we need to censor social media and specifically the algorithms to where anti-Semitism just gets wiped from the algorithm.
And basically any, basically, any critique of Israel or Jewish power or anything of that nature, they want it to where it just doesn't show up.
unidentified
Yeah.
new groyper in south
So let me like they all kind of came out at the same time.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Let me also clarify.
new groyper in south
I found it suspicious.
tim tompkins
Let me clarify something about that.
I'm not saying that like they're not using it as an opportunity to push a specific agenda, right?
Here's the thing: when you're at a state where the world is so chaotic right now, as is, and there's heightened tensions around, it doesn't take a whole lot for you, or you don't have to wait a whole lot of time.
Like, for example, with a school shooting, as sad as it is for me to say this today, I don't have to wait very long for if I had like an anti-gun agenda for there to be another school shooting for me to say every time, every time.
Like the time periods at which those events are happening is frequent enough to where like I don't have to orchestrate a whole thing.
I can let it happen organically to where it does happen because there's enough angry people that are willing to go do that and have the idea to do that.
Right.
So all I'm saying is, is like, be careful.
And this goes to other people, not specifically just to you, when you're tying these threads and realize that there is an area.
Oh, dude, I have to come, I have to figure out this term.
But like, it's essentially where we normally give credit for like, we, we kind of like avoid that there is a still a high probability for randomness in these situations and we tie circumstances together in order to like say like, okay, this is a matter of fact of what it happened.
And it just comes from not knowing and humans need to rationalize.
It's something that we have built into our system, which is why it's very easy for us to draw conclusions for these things.
new groyper in south
Well, you know, I'm just exercising basic pattern recognition skills here because I also tie in as well the timing of everything.
Because so first of all, we have the, you know, the Israel versus the right.
That's been the biggest thing.
And they, they've lost that debate.
They try to get people censored.
They try to get people removed from off or removed from institutions and stuff.
And that failed.
And so it seemed to be that there was like an agenda, like a pivoting of, okay, well, these Muslims are bad.
It's like, see, guys, I'm cool.
The Muslims are bad.
And then all of a sudden, we have the shooting, the shooting done by a former CIA contractor who screamed the lock bar and shot the National Guardsman, the two, two of them.
And then we have the school shootings in Australia and in America.
And it was Jihadi John, you know.
It's just, I find it very suspicious.
And two, like, I don't know, like that, that guy who shot them, he knew what he was doing.
Like, it was, he wasn't, he wasn't freaking out.
He was calm and collected.
And he was just, he was just going to town.
rex jones
I do think a part of that, I agree that he definitely had firearms training.
He definitely knew what he was doing with that rifle.
I think the bravery comes from like, like, whatever you think about it, like, I would tend to agree with you.
It's probably a green flag operation.
And like, that's just me making a subjective, like, I don't know.
It's just me speculating, but like, these things are very common.
But this person, like, they're just doing, they're doing their job.
They're doing what they're doing what their book tells them to do.
By the way, I think a lot of bravery comes from that.
tim tompkins
If it is truly a green flag operation, they're a better place to pick than Australia.
rex jones
Yeah, I mean, but they've had this problem.
They've had this problem with the protests and whatnot.
So, I mean, like, what better way to discredit anything like that going forward than to do something like this?
In closing, New Groyper is, we have to end the show.
We're tired.
Just like, do you have a further point you want to make?
Just in closing, what are you thinking?
new groyper in south
I would just say this.
Like, I do think it was a jihadi.
I mean, I saw some stuff about the guy from Sydney being an IDF.
I don't buy that.
But what I've been telling y'all for the past couple of weeks, it's spooky season.
It spooks everywhere.
It's like, unfortunately, when our government has had a history of, you know, doing these operations and we're becoming aware of it now, now we have to, like, we have to pose the question.
Like, it has to be asked.
Because, you know, what used to be what we thought was random turned out to be, you know, like color revolutions and things of that nature.
Like, we've toppled entire governments and made it look organic.
So like if we're going to be unbiased, we have to at least look into it.
And it's not there.
Nothing's there.
But I think it's like when you look at the coordinated everything, how it rolled out, and you see the immediate response, and it was very targeted.
It wasn't like, you know, we mourned the loss of these people.
This is bad.
It was anti-Semitism bad.
And now we need to get you all off of social media.
That was the angle.
And it's like, well, this guy was, this guy committed an act of gun violence, but your focus is the social media.
And so are all these other pundits that are the Israel first people.
And they're all like puppeting the same thing.
And then you got, I believe it was the Israeli foreign minister Twitter account posted the exact same thing.
It's just very suspicious to me.
And unfortunately, like I would love to live in a world where, you know, these tragedies, well, we can accept them as just being tragedies.
But if time has taught us anything, it's that, you know, it's like we shouldn't trust what we hear at all.
And then, you know, we should doubt what we see.
rex jones
Yes.
new groyper in south
And nothing is.
rex jones
That's a very understandable perspective.
And I'm not trying to cut you off.
I want you to make your final point here.
But I understand that you're seeing patterns here.
I'm seeing some of those patterns as well.
We don't agree on everything on this or all issues, but like I, it is suspect like, oh, the tragedy happens.
Now we must have the internet ID.
Like, I just, I, I, I can see that as a, I can see that as realistic.
I can see that as something like, that's it.
That's a logical end to like every chaos is an opportunity for these people.
tim tompkins
That's right.
That's where I contribute more of it is like, again, I said because of the frequency.
rex jones
We're going to hop on that.
tim tompkins
Yeah, exactly.
You take a chance.
And not that there aren't specific things.
You were right.
They do create situations that appear random and actually they're strategically planned out.
I'm just saying those take a long time to execute and create.
Randomness happens a lot quicker and is very easy, right?
You just have to be patient in these circumstances.
rex jones
Excellent points from both of y'all.
Thank you for joining us tonight, New Robert.
We're going to go ahead and wrap pretty soon.
Thank you so much, man.
Appreciate you.
new groyper in south
Yeah, no problem.
All right.
Hey, we'll see you guys.
unidentified
Take it easy.
rex jones
For sure, man.
unidentified
God bless you.
tim tompkins
What I would say.
rex jones
Always good to have him call in, man.
Always saving the show, honestly.
Seriously.
tim tompkins
But here's the thing: I wouldn't have been able to make like 80% of those comments had I tried to talk about that on when I was jet lacked.
You know, yeah, you're tired.
I've been cooked.
rex jones
Yeah.
And like, obviously, like, we're going to have days where the show is really good.
We're going to have days where the show is mid.
tim tompkins
Today's phenomenal.
rex jones
Today's really good, but you can't expect to like no sleep.
You're going to perform and be like LeBron.
It's just, it's not going to happen.
Right.
And the same thing, like, me having Tum Tum hurt and like being sick.
Like, it's just thing things happen.
Life is life.
We're here to provide y'all with the best show possible.
We think we did a pretty go-a pretty good job covering the story, right?
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
And just the various different angles of all of it, because we gave a multi-layered perspective where it wasn't necessarily right wing or left-wing.
And you had different thoughts and I had different thoughts.
But at its core, we examine the ideology behind this attack and we go like, that's not compatible with what we know, right?
tim tompkins
Yeah, yeah.
The system as a whole with Islam and the practices that come with which the radical breeds out of doesn't exist for the other religions.
Therefore, that is why there needs to be some sort of aberrant.
rex jones
That's the correct English word to use.
It's an aberrant religion.
It doesn't follow the core principles of a peaceful way of life.
It in its very nature is a blueprint to take over.
tim tompkins
But then I don't also agree with like taking the opportunity to be like, well, anything that you say about anything that has to do with specifically, like you can't tie anti-Semitism and being critical about just one particular situation, like a genocide, and correlate the two exactly.
There is anti-Semitism when it comes to like, well, it's interesting.
The Islamic people who have these agendas are also doing the same thing, reverse genjitsu, where they're using the they're using the mainstream of these things to push their agenda too, in which you can see what they believe based off of the Quran.
If you don't believe, guys, that there's also another entity out there that also tries to go and tries to like brainwash Americans into like also having the hatred in the other direction, you would be surely mistaken.
rex jones
What does it mean to be anti-Semitic?
It means to hate Abraham's descendants.
And Abraham's descendants aren't only the Jews, right?
I mean, this goes back to Genesis, and a lot of people aren't familiar with this Bible story, but it's the truth.
Abraham was married to Sarah, right?
And they had fertility problems and whatever.
And God's like, you're going to wait.
I'm going to give you a kid.
Right.
And then he's going to be Jacob or Israel.
tim tompkins
Right.
rex jones
And or Isaac, I think.
God, this is horrible.
I'm embarrassing myself for the audience.
Anyway, he goes to have his descendant and he can't wait.
He wants to go sleep with the handmaiden and then he has sex with her.
And then that baby is named Ishmael.
tim tompkins
Right.
rex jones
And then Abraham freaks out and then Sarah makes him send them out into the desert to die.
And the angel comes down and gives him food and is like, okay, you're going to be the head of these people, basically.
It's like, this is ancient 4,000 year old prehistory stuff.
And it's all still being litigated in this area.
And there's like these people have fought each other and hated each other along generational lines forever.
And sitting in the West, we look at this and we're like, what the fuck?
Like, like, hell no.
Like, like, this is dumb, but it's like 4,000 years ago.
unidentified
We were betrayed.
rex jones
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Well, my biggest issue with this whole entire thing is, and this is the last point I'll make.
rex jones
Yeah, we got to go to bed.
tim tompkins
We don't separate.
We don't do enough of separating like Israeli and like BB Jews versus just like Jews around the world.
Like somebody who's in Australia, okay, they might have some certain things, but they're not the ones with up in arms and guns like going on.
rex jones
They don't deserve, they don't deserve to fucking die.
tim tompkins
So there's that.
And then I have plenty of Jewish friends that I've known over the years who are just like normal Americans and are just like, they're also Europeans and stuff like that.
And so like there's this smaller population, right, that has maybe done some more extreme stuff by going into Gaza and bulldozing and doing a lot of things.
But as a result, you've taken the brush and said, okay, well, the word Jew now corresponds to everything else.
And the Jews here in America should have a target on their back and be worried about it.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
And the Jews that are happening in Australia should be worried about it and be concerned.
More often than not, those people are just normal bankers.
They may do some weird stuff.
rex jones
Normal bankers.
tim tompkins
No, it's just funny.
But they may be some like one I know is like, he's in this, he's like, he works for Deloitte or whatever, like his dad or whatever.
But like, he's not like going out there doing like evil, malicious stuff.
He's a normal family guy.
It has nothing to do with any of this.
rex jones
Well, you're not necessarily worried about a terror attack.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
So, but where they're where they're trying to do the whole anti-Semitic push and where there should be pushback is not just allowing the narrative to just get out of control to where the whole thing gets lumped in.
Because the same thing can happen with any other race guys.
Like as a black person, I would hate that when I hated when I hated when these Antifa Black Lives Matter people went out there and rioted and broke everything.
Now, had that narrative gotten out of control and there weren't some sort of breaks that were put on that thing, who knows?
This is a very extreme scenario, but let's say like it happened enough that people just got so angry that they were like, all right, fuck it.
All the black people, all the things.
It doesn't matter if you were halfway across the country and stuff like that.
That's all I'm saying.
rex jones
Right.
And it comes down to the key thing of they don't want us to be united on a class basis on an economic basis.
So after the Tea Party and after Occupy Wall Street, they get really scared and they start pushing the race stuff really, really hard until or after 2011.
Right.
And the thing I'm pissed about is I feel like I was robbed.
I feel like you were robbed of really that more peaceful time in America.
I think we really did reach a point and people want to go, no, things were never fixed and it was always bad.
It's always been terrible.
I'm not saying people don't act badly to each other, but I feel like in like the like 90s, 2000s era, I think we really reached a point to where it wasn't a big deal anymore.
And then Obama came in and everyone's like, great.
I voted for a black president or whatever.
Racism's dead.
And he kind of makes it his pet issue.
And then going forward to get headlines, to get clicks, all the news organizations, they followed the same blueprint and everything's been racialized.
tim tompkins
Well, I think also I would say the madness started in 2016, honestly.
That's when it kind of like really took a turn.
And then Biden came in, fucking cranked that shit up even more.
And then we had more of the same.
rex jones
Well, you don't understand.
Poor kids are just as smart and talented as well.
tim tompkins
But in jumping up in conclusion, all I have to say about this whole thing is, look, we can't just let the wheels off and just be like, okay, everybody just go out there and let's just throw haymakers at people who have nothing to do with these situations, right?
And everybody's going to have emotions.
Everything needs to be centered around all the groups of people who are actually executing on the bad things.
That's why I wouldn't say ban get all the Muslim people out of my college.
I don't want them there.
Like, because I know that the ones that like, they're just normal people, right?
So that's all.
I mean, it's just the nuances and we're not doing enough of that.
It's black and white.
rex jones
I think we did a phenomenal show.
That's why it's a gray area.
We appreciate everyone that's here tonight.
And I'll just say it again, even though it probably falls on deaf ears.
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Thank you all.
good luck.
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