Rex Jones and Tim Tompkins dissect Trump’s controversial tweet mocking the Reiner family murders as insensitive, comparing it to erratic Venezuela policies tied to oil reserves. Candace Owens’ conspiracy claims about Charlie Kirk’s 2025 shooting—66% debunked—highlight conservative infighting and misdirection. Meanwhile, Europe’s 2035 EV ban softens due to $18K battery costs, with Chinese BYD models outperforming Tesla but blocked by U.S. tariffs. The episode questions whether Trump’s chaos or Owens’ unverified narratives distract from real issues like economic dysfunction and monopolistic lobbying, framing both as symptoms of a broken system. [Automatically generated summary]
So this order classifies illicit fentanyl and its precursors as weapons of mass destruction, unlocking national security tools like sanctions and asset freezes against cartels and networks from China and Mexico.
Trump highlighted the drugs role and like the 300,000 annual deaths, building on prior cartel terrorist designations amid falling overdose numbers to around 80,000 2024.
And very interesting stuff here.
I think I've actually got the video of it as well of him talking about it.
Let's go ahead and watch that.
How interesting.
They got 3D models of the boats they blow up now.
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One more step to protect Americans from the scourge of deadly fentanyl flooding into our country.
With this historic executive order, I will sign today.
We're formally classifying fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction, which is what it is.
No bomb does what this is doing.
200 to 300,000 people die every year that we know of.
So we're formally classifying fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction.
No, this is this is Tim's been bought off by the Chinese Communist Party to discount from Venezuela's role in controlling every they control everything about our government.
They control everything.
It's all run by the Venezuelans.
They're actually the group that does it all.
It's very simple.
Venezuela is not a signatory to the IMF, and they need to be for like the whole global plan to work.
So we're going to go in there and depose the guy and take all his stuff and it'll be a big victory for America.
You know, that's what they'll say anyway.
And the debate that me and you have had, not just about this, but just about wars in general.
And if we go into like, you know, there's full-scale new one, I've been saying, yes, by the end of the year, that's going to happen.
You'd be like, no, it's going to be a longer time.
You have to be patient and wait for these things to develop.
And I'm like, well, like, when has it ever developed this rapid a pace, right?
There's no doubt in my mind at this point that that is the play.
And one of the reasons for that, and I don't think I've dove enough into this for you guys, but you guys got to understand when people talk about oil, there's different versions that it comes in.
So they got a lot of crude oil.
Yeah, crude oil is really the main thing that's in question.
And then there are certain countries that take the crude oil, which is basically in its raw form, and then they refine it.
But then more so than just comparing the crude to the refined, you got to understand that there's different types of oil in itself.
There's light oil and then there's like heavier oil.
And think of it as like thicker stuff, right?
So heavier oil is going to be used for things like cars and jet fuel and those types of things.
So not all oil is created equal and you go to specific regions for specific types of oil because depending on how it was formed in the ground and the geography of how that is mapped out, that determines a lot of how that oil is made.
So think about, do you think people think that it's just okay, United States, we have a bunch of crude oil, but we have light crude oil.
The illegitimate Maduro regime is using oil from these stolen oil fields to finance themselves, drug terrorism, human trafficking, murder, and kidnapping.
For the theft of our assets and many other reasons.
Oh, so much to read, including terrorism, drug smuggling, and the human trafficking.
The Venezuelan regime has been designated to a foreign terrorist organization.
Therefore, today I am ordering a total and complete blockade.
Oh, all sanctioned oil tankers going into and out of Venezuela.
I mean, hey, you know, is this what you voted for?
I mean, that's what it comes down to, right?
And I'll get into this specifically with some of these Rob Reiner tweets that I have where like the response I have from Trump, I have it quote tweeted from someone.
It's just the shared tone of like, how dare you criticize the president, basically.
People, people are saying good things about this stuff.
I am ordering total and complete blockade.
The illegal aliens and criminals that Maduro regime has sent to the United States during the weekend in that Biden administration are being returned to Venezuela at a rapid pace.
America will not allow criminals, terrorists, and other countries to rob, threaten, or harm our nation.
And likewise, will not allow a hostile regime to take our oil, land, or any other assets.
But to clarify, again, it comes down to the light and heavy.
And I accidentally made a Is like the light oil is, those are the things that we use for vehicles, which is why like when gas prices were out of control, we were like, all right, let's drill, baby, drill.
But then if you look at the oil, if you look at the heavy crude oil, this is like diesel, jet fuel.
This is like asphalt.
This is like things that are like we would need from a fundamental standpoint for like these heavier applications.
So, I mean, look, we could just easily make a deal with Canada, but it's probably going to cost us a little bit more.
So it's probably easier for us to steal what Venezuela has.
Everyone is now getting tired of America's bullshit, though.
I'm not going to lie.
Here's the thing.
Not only just like us talking about this, but look, the world is watching.
Okay.
If you have other countries that go and do the same thing, we would criticize them immediately, especially if we're not getting involved on it and we're not benefiting from it at any point.
So like you can point to it and say that's predatory or whatever, but you can go, yeah, like, well, they're not, they're not drone striking them, right?
And, you know, I've seen new growthers say steal, you mean conquer.
Like this is not, it's not, it's not even conquering in the sense of like, it's not rational.
This is, this is not like a rational like resource calculation.
I get that it is on the primitive level, right?
Like that we want their stuff, but in the global arena, like as things fair, as our public image gets degraded and degraded and degraded even further, like this is not worth it in the long-term scheme of being able to like safely make deals with people.
Yeah.
Right.
And like that, that's, that's the problem is we're essentially we're held hostage by whatever he decides to tweet at any given moment.
And that's what pisses me off is like the liberals were right about that.
At the end of the day, it's like the mean tweets, it actually comes beyond a step of being a mean tweet.
It comes being like an issue decreed from the president.
But when you start getting into the territory where you're involving diplomatic issues and you're involving the face of America and how you are literally the number one representative at which everyone now judges America by, you have a fiduciary responsibility to do the right thing because you and I aren't sitting there on the platform, are we?
We're not sitting here being like we're here in front of a couple hundred people just talking.
We don't have that platform to say how we really feel and that, hey, we want cooperation among all these other countries and we don't actually hate you guys.
Let's figure out how to make this work.
We're sorry we fucked you guys over in the Middle East.
And this is the issue that I have with the whole like Russia relations, right?
Is like the Middle East wars, all the stuff we do there has primarily been fought on the basis of keeping Russia out of there, right?
Like that was our national security imperative for going in there is being like, hey, we got a government like Syria or got a government like Iraq or whatever or Iran that's friendly to the Soviet Union or to the Russian Federation after we can't afford to have them have influence in that region.
Therefore, Israel must have all the influence because we're bonded with Israel.
The only reason back in the day when they were the second or first world country in trying to develop.
We were not fighting them.
We actually wanted to bring them into the W, uh, the sorry, the WTO or World Trade Organization, allow them to get all that and do things in order to like increase the productivity and benefit us at the end of the day with all the cheap labor and the Chinese products.
At some point, also, we were friends with Russia, right?
Where we start making enemies is when we feel like somebody is starting to become too big that we can't control.
You can literally, like, I watched, I don't have it prepped or ready, but it was so interesting and it stuck in my mind.
The German Chancellor Merce, he's like, well, we used to believe in like Pax Americana, you know, like the Pax Ramana or like the Roman, like, you know, Commonwealth or just kind of Imperium that everyone was under.
And he's like, we don't believe in that anymore.
It's time for like PAX Europa, basically.
But like prior to that, like that's the arrangement that we want with the rest of the world.
And that's why we hate the Russians so much is because after the fall of the Soviet Union, we basically tried to do that to them.
But even to the point of like, they asked to be in NATO twice after the fall of the Soviet Union.
If our government is buying NVIDIA stock, if our government is giving giant 500 million or billion dollar subsidies to companies like Amazon or like to the data center companies like Amazon or like OpenAI project Stargate, you know, I find it quite funny that we don't consider ourselves to be in some sort of hybrid economy.
Now, exactly how that scam is designed, I'm not smart enough to lay it out or even describe it, but you can kind of tell that it's there, right?
Like Teddy Roosevelt, like one of the reasons why everyone thinks of him as being such a great president isn't Spanish-American War and National Parks.
It was the fact that he broke up a lot of the big like trusts that are antitrust law, right?
And there's a reason why, and you had a phenomenal thread on this about groceries and whatnot.
And I saw another one on meat packing.
The reason why stuff is so expensive is not even necessarily because of rising costs, although that is a factor to it.
It's the bureaucracy and red tape that's allowed by the government where these giant monopolies exist and no one's allowed to compete with them and what they can do because the safety standards and industry standards are so rigged to the point of only, you know, a multi-billion dollar company could do any of it.
Right.
And like that's an issue we see both local and systematic.
So my point with all that is just to say, like, I just, when we criticize these other governments, I don't like communist China.
I, I, like, my dad, my dad is literally the ChaiCom guy.
Now, I agree with that definitely to a certain extent.
Just, it's a there's a phenomenal clip of Trump, and I'm blanking on it now.
I don't have it pull up for the show, but he's on like 60 Minutes or CNBC, and they go, You've said nice things about Putin, and he's a war criminal and a murderer.
This is like way back when this is in the 20 teens.
And he goes, You think we're so innocent?
Like, you think we haven't done the exact same stuff?
Yeah, and like, that's a great moment from Trump, right?
Like, he probably, in a very sick way, I think he probably has a lot of fun, you know.
But let's get into more of it because there's just so much more.
And you didn't even know about this.
And it's hard to understand who this guy is.
Like, I know him from All in the Family, which is like a show about like, it's like a classic 60s or 70s show about kind of like a slightly bigoted, like old, like, older guy named Archie Bunker.
And he's like, I don't like the Polox, like the Polish people.
And like, Rob Reiner is like, I guess, like a Polish guy.
He's like, hey, man, like, he's a proto-liberal, basically, in this.
But basically, this guy is an icon, legacy, legacy figure in Hollywood.
His dad was very famous and very rich, and him also by default.
Rob Reiner and wife killed by son in Los Angeles home.
Prosecutors charge the couple's 32-year-old son, Nick Reiner, with two counts of first-degree murder after a heated family argument at a party hours earlier.
Nick, who battled long-term drug addiction and homelessness that inspired his 2016 film, Being Charlie.
Yeah, so like you get, you get well from being sober, and your dad's like, Yeah, we're going to make a movie about it.
That would, that would fuck you up, right?
Wouldn't that like just think about that?
Just like, yeah, that's probably not the best decision.
Um, was arrested and remains in custody without bail.
Uh, tributes poured in from Obama, Stephen King, and others, uh, while President Trump's mocking post about the Trump derangement syndrome drew bipartisan criticism as insensitive amid their families grieve.
But like now, it makes a little bit more sense now that you say that there's like drugs and addiction and some other psychotic things that could be homelessness.
And then, like, I guess if you're a ghost or something, you still have like a view of the planet and you see the president, you're like, and he was a loser.
A very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood.
Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling, but once very talented movie director and comedy star, has passed away together with his wife, Michelle.
Reportedly, due to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding, and incurable affliction with a mind-crippling disease known as Trump derangement syndrome, sometimes referred to as TDS.
He was known to have driven people crazy by his raving or raging obsession with President Donald J. Trump, with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump administration surpassed all goals.
Well, I mean, the better thing is like, if you don't like the guy, and like, it's honestly like, as far as Trump is concerned, like he's the president.
He's a lot more of a big deal.
He's won the game in that respect.
Why would you even, why would you even do this?
And it just, it speaks to me more to just the like, like faux morality of the Republicans and of Trump in general.
It's like this, he's just, he's just a dick.
And like, he's a dick for no other purpose than being a dick.
And the only political wins that we get anymore is like when he's rude to someone.
Like, yeah, like I showed you that post, they're flexed.
I mean, here's the thing with these types of things.
Yeah, you're right.
These aren't really wins.
I don't know why he would, why he concerns himself with these things.
My main issue with all of this is like too many things he's focused on all at once.
Now, I know he has cabinets, I know he has people that do things for him in the background that we don't see.
And then he can claim victory and that he did such and such, but really there was somebody working behind the scenes.
But again, at his age and in general, and you know how it is to run a business cognitively, even if you're not doing something, you're still having to like manage it in some aspect.
And you, and it takes a lot of cognitive, like bandwidth, bandwidth in order to actually process all those things.
So, like, event happens, um, and you got time to go and tweet on it.
But then, also, like, 10 minutes ago, you just tweeted like we're shutting the airspace in Venezuela.
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He's taking a break, he's taking a break by doing it.
No, and I don't think that there has been for a very long time.
Maybe that once was true, but I mean, I think what we're left with is ultimately like there's a saying.
Um, and I forget, I forget what it, I forget where it comes from, but it's like, um, when uh, a clown moves into a castle, he doesn't become a king, the palace becomes a circus, essentially.
And like, and that's that's a very tough, negative talk for me on Trump.
And I know people may tune into the show all the time, and they're like, Rex, all you are is negative about Trump.
You're a lip tard, you're a lip tard, you're a Trump hater, whatever.
Look, like I was like, literally in love with this man basically for like a decade.
I was like, He's the greatest thing ever, he's the greatest politician ever.
I love him, he's been persecuted, and it was literally because of things like the Russia hoax, which I knew were fake from day one.
And they ruined his first presidency with that.
And like, that is not to be discounted.
Like, setting aside COVID, setting aside Biden, setting aside everything else, they ruined his opportunity to get anything done.
The first administration, it was all Russia all the time.
That's all you heard about, and all that shit was bullshit.
Yeah, so like, maybe, maybe that does make you go insane.
And that's, and you're hitting a good point here because fundamentally, because he has this like passive-aggressive nature where he doesn't forgive or forget, right?
It does something to him internally where that fire is still being fueled at every point that makes him distracted.
I mean, if it's at a point where you're not professional enough to like, whenever this Reiner thing happened late at night, I think the Trump tweet was early in the morning.
If your first move is to do this, ultimately, that's very Biden-esque behavior, right?
It's do it's doing something that there's no reason for you to do it, but you're just doing it.
In the case of Biden, he would do nothing, it wouldn't show up.
I told everybody this a long time ago: I said, Look, whether you hated Trump, whether you like Trump, 2016 was a very big inflection point for presidency.
Yeah, and I first guy that you really saw that wasn't really in the whole politics, first orange man to be, and you could really see like what it was like with social media now involved and like the access to information and being able to be on camera.
Now, Obama did kind of start that, but like Trump really took it to another level as far as I agree on him.
So now we've gotten to a point where I'm just thinking, will we ever get back to some level of just reasonable ability to just not be politically correct, but be able to be like professional?
You've got, I don't know, we don't have to speculate on who's going to win, but like in general, let's say either whatever side wins, what does that president like?
I think the real sin of Trump is that he politically, it's like a punch to the liver or something that sits you down to the populist movement of like trying to believe in like an icon figure to like to like to be like the leader of a movement.
I think it'll be just a giant blow as like, oh, like how like, and then everyone will be, everyone will pull bad.
Everyone will do bad.
And it'll create an opportunity for some real weird changes to happen in this country.
Just go ahead and keep doing whatever you're doing.
You can sit here and complain.
What you're talking about is like, I feel like, you know, me going from the left and then like Biden and the transgender and like the wokeness and stuff like that that happened with all of that.
That's where I feel like a lot of Americans have gotten to the point and why we could probably do shows like this now and more people will resonate because of the fact that like we've been bashed against both sides of the window.
I don't know how much he believes in some of these things Trump does, but you're you got to play your the long game at that point if you want to be president.
I at one point I'm like, oh, I hope he becomes president, but I don't know how much he's been brainwashed by the by the system too.
And look, I don't like the Republican Party when it comes to the Zionism.
I really don't approve of that.
But as far as records go for a politician or just someone you'd want to put in office, because ultimately someone does have to be in office or else it's total anarchy.
You know, and people crucify me in the audience for this because he's pro-Israel or whatever, but Ron DeSantis is not bad.
He ran against a guy named Andrew Gillam, who's like a black gay guy.
All right.
And he like, he bare, he barely won't like 0.1% or whatever, like 10,000 votes.
He wins the election.
And then the guy gets busted with like a hooker and meth and stuff, the opponent, like a few months later and whatnot.
And he, like, they had a lot of doubts about Ron DeSantis when he first got in, but he like, he reformed that state.
And I'm not sitting here giving any political endorsement personally because I'm pretty much done voting, except maybe in a local election or something.
But, you know, we have to consider people like that, especially people that aren't tainted by like, and I hate to sound like a liberal, but by Trump, you know, like by that whole movement, because I think if we go to full war and stuff, that whole brand is going to be so unpopular, we're going to get full like communist socialists.
Now, the counter, the, the argument that some people make around, like, they say, well, DeSantis doesn't know how to run a government on a larger scale.
You know, Charlie Kirk, on the other hand, this is somebody who is my mortal enemy, who he was actively trying to suppress my career, ruin my life, all these things.
He got shot by a political partisan.
He wouldn't debate me, but he would debate the type of person that murdered him.
Okay, and you know, this is actually this cues us up for our next discussion, which is Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk, Erica Kirk, TP USA, and the surrounding hullabaloo and quote-unquote, I don't like to use the term because it's a government term, conspiracy theories surrounding the whole incident.
So we've covered this.
We covered this the day it happened, I believe, did we not?
But still, you know, raising and asking questions.
Then you have the Fuentes group, the Groyper group, and they're asking questions.
They're very unhappy about the Trump administration, the Trump campaign.
However, they believe for the most part the official story relating to Tyler Robinson and Charlie Kirk.
And those people are opposed to that other third group, which I haven't named, the Candace Owens group, right?
And those people, they believe just about everything.
And it's a crazy wide spectrum to what they believe.
And it's a point of like, I understand the divides between the conservative little like factions and echo chambers very well.
At least I thought I did.
I can no longer tell the difference between a Groyper and a Candace person other than the fact that they don't agree on like these specific narratives.
Like they're the same, but they're the same, but they're different on that one issue.
So that makes them like you can't, besides that one thing, you can't distinguish them from the other.
I can't predict now who's going to be pro-Candace, anti-Nick, anti-TP USA, or pro-Nick, anti-Candace.
So weird because I'll see Nick Fuentes like defending her and defending TP USA.
And then I'll see like a left-wing show like due dissidents.
And they're like, look, Candace wouldn't say this if she didn't have the stone cold like nuts, as they say in poker, like the winning hand, like the truth, right?
But it's just, it's so weird on so many different ideological levels.
Obviously, like, I don't believe the official story.
I don't believe a bullet got lodged in his neck.
I think that's insane.
A 30-odd six, much bigger than this thing right here, gets stuck in the guy's neck because he's a man of steel and whatnot.
Obviously, that's not true.
But the stuff Candace Owens was saying about like the Egyptian planes and whatnot, apparently that's been disproven.
That was used to call Erica Kirk into question.
I don't like the read on her anyway, but I'm not going to make any claim about an event or like say that she knew or orchestrated like the death of her husband.
And the IDF's top soldier dropped in from fucking 3,000 feet in the air and shot him in the air and used like a Fortnite explosion bomb to like, I can't describe it any other way than a conspiracy.
And then as New Groyper's saying, Candace apparently recanted.
We have that.
I believe we have the clip, but getting into it.
So like we covered this and they're like diametrically diametrically opposed to each other.
Candace Owens, TP USA, saying all sorts of things and whatnot.
And I know I need to read it and I know we need to discuss it.
But another, another show I watched, the Jimmy Dore show, Jimmy Dore basically 100%, 100% bought in on this.
And it's to a point now where I'm seeing people talk about events.
And it's not because I want to censor them that I have this feeling or this emotion, but I'm like, we got sued for saying a lot less than what these people was in charge at that point.
Well, and I, and I get that, and I hear that, but you hear what I'm saying.
Like, exactly.
Like, like, it, it, it boggles my mind.
And just a quick anecdote, like, Jimmy Dore was talking about the Australia shooting, like, just like repeating like false flag, false flag, false flag.
I agree.
It should be questioned.
It's probably a green flag operation.
Like, they let it happen at some degree or some level of like planned incompetence.
But saying shit like that can lose you a lot of money.
Well, if you've anyone that voted for Biden is black, actually.
If I just voted for Biden, I could be black.
Candace Owens and Erica Kirk hold productive private meeting after a feud.
Oh, it's a feud.
It's a fight.
It's not like, you work for Israel.
And the other person is like, you are a devil spreading lies.
And now they're all fine.
It is what it is.
That's the weird thing where they always come together and they like they move on, which appears to have happened.
The meeting came amid Owens' public questions about September 10th assassination of Charlie Kirk, where authorities say lone gunman, always a lone gunman.
Tyler Robinson fired from a rooftop.
Owens raised theories of a cover-up, including possible insider roles and suspicious details, while Kirk defended her quick appointment as TP USA CEO per husband's wishes.
And as for peace amid family threats, both women reported agreeing on more than expected with Owens promising a full account and Kirk signaling de-escalation, though no evidence supports the theories in divisions linger.
I'm like, why would you do this?
Right.
All right.
So, so number one, you're telling the truth, right?
And like, you have some proof that the organization or the people involved or herself, they're all implicated in this.
And you're a truth teller, you're angry, you tell the truth.
Number two, you tell a lie for like money or popularity, but why do you do that?
Because when it's prove that you're a liar, you lose all that anyway.
I think she puts too much weight on her quote unquote sources.
And there's a lot of people that talk in the background.
Now, some of it is like very like.
Tantalizing, great for media.
Go get it, go say it out there.
That way a lot of people watch.
But then also you got to understand like fundamentally, she has people that she talks to on a regular basis and you know, you tell me a fact.
I'm not always fact checking, you right.
I'm just kind of like oh, i'm always correct, i'm taking you as a matter of fact and it's very easy when somebody has authority, right like take an example for for a doctor, not to get us to the weeds here, but if you look at a doctor objectively, you trust everything the doctor says because fundamentally he went through courses and he did an entire uh study as well as practice this speaker yourself.
But but here's the thing, fundamentally doctors can get things wrong all the time as far as diagnosing things.
But because of the mere fact of the authority factor, it kind of like you, just like you, you get rid of the probability that he could be wrong in that situation.
Well I, I mean I, I just it's horrible for your credibility, it's horrible for your audience, but ultimately you know like this would be a great bellwether to see how much air there's left in the griff balloon, because if she just moves on like everything's fine and like there's two ways I could see this happening.
One, she does that and that'll be super weird and she'll either retain her fan base, because everyone's vapid, no one's smart, or be people will be smart enough to move on from her, or the the other alternative is that she, like they threatened me in secret two weeks ago and I planned my my, my entire comeback to them.
This is all the new data and information.
I'm just getting started and like those, those are the two roads that we go on from here.
Right, like there, there's no, there's no.
Third alternative, and just like look, look at, look look at your face, like you can kind of tell she's, she's up to no good.
Do we trust I don't know if we we trust that they were sort of most upset with what I obviously a bit of a fever pitch what I tweeted, that it was a godforsaken company and people should not give money to it.
And there were so many lies, and then I was getting attacked for asking all these questions that it was within their capacity to answer.
And I told you, I definitely, my problem in life is that I can rise to anger very quickly.
Okay, I shared with them that I've really felt like I was under attack for telling the truth from the very beginning, like casually, when I mentioned the Catholicism thing, like what was that about?
I was like, Look, I say something in a tribute to him, Alex Clark and Andrew Colvett, then jump onto a podcast and they're doing that weird interview, which is clearly they were.
The main problem I have with me is she has literally wrapped it up in a bow and has presented it for the world to see.
And exactly what I have for what I have been trying to make clear to everybody who watches our show or in general, right?
Yeah, have these conversations with other people.
People who have very ability to speak, speak very well on camera, have an audience, they are not careful enough of what they say in the heat of the moment.
She just said specifically, I was angry, I was feeling emotional.
Now, she put it out there.
How many people, Rex, out of the millions do you think truly believed what she said in that moment and ran with it?
So, they might have there are some people that may have not even watched this video, but the butterfly effect in the game of telephone has already occurred to where other people have posted this.
It's at a point now where people be like, Oh, well, they got to her now.
And it's on to the next thing.
And, you know, I just had a thought as you're saying it, like, wouldn't this be the ultimate thing you do to discredit and just kind of walk away from, you know, ultimately a very mysterious shooting and assassination event with Charlie Kirk?
And you have this lady come out and go, It's crazy as fuck.
And I know it all.
And it's all, it's all, I have it all here.
And then she's discredited.
And then everyone goes, Okay, I guess it really is just a little dumb.
Yes, but then people don't like you're not taking into account that a lot of these entities literally have to do nothing and let it just go how it will.
I see where you're, I think they're being proactive.
I, I, she's definitely some sort of op of some kind.
Like her, her story and everything is just too weird.
And, you know, it's just, it's so odd because you have a right-wing person that's a fan of her, and then a right-wing person that's a fan of Nick, and then a right-wing person that's a fan of my dad.
And those are three very different groups of people, but they agree on most everything.
But the thing that makes them different is like a fundamental, it's a conspiracy issue.
And so what I'm trying to say relative to this and why I can agree with you, where Candace and Nick are similar to each other or the same is they have the ability to be tantalizing way they talk and they're not always giving you the fact toys that are the truth and they just kind of run with it.
And those are dangerous moments.
That's still that's literally if I could pinpoint where my issue is with not just Fuentes, not just with Candace Owens, I'll even throw um Pierce in there.
I'll throw a lot of other people.
They will say things with conviction like I'm talking to you right now.
Well, yeah, but I'm saying fundamentally, like, I don't think like Nick or Candace is like fundamentally being like super controlled by the deep state.
I just think there's an ignorance around some of the perspectives that they have on some comments without diving deep.
I literally, I'm trying to say when you say these things and when you have some commodified intention.
Yes, exactly.
And your base is going to grow and grow with the people who are like, who like that stuff and are like latching onto the different ideas.
And you can build a platform.
It's not only for money, but there's a reputation and money that comes with it that I fundamentally cannot subscribe with as I'm now doing these shows.
And we're talking about why I take the time to go and look and do the research before I give you guys something because I won't make a super hot take that I can't stand behind.
But people in the heat of the flow and the savant of being able to talk on camera, they'll just be like, all right, I'm just going to throw this thing out there and it'll stick.
And she's admitting it now.
She's admitting it now.
And she's saying, look, I was wrong about this.
But here's the thing.
There are so many circumstances where that doesn't happen and where somebody has fact-checked that person enough.
You know, a big thing, a bit of no-no in just kind of like, I'll just say conspiracy theory circle or whatever is to like present false evidence, right?
To say that, like, oh, something happened.
We have this footage here or whatnot.
And the footage doesn't actually exist or it's exactly or whatnot.
So Candace Owens said that these Egyptian like military planes obviously could feel like Israel, right?
Like duh, right?
Like that's the insinuation that's being made there.
And if that's what other people put out before, because I saw it before she picked it up, like two weeks before, hell of months before, Egyptian planes and all this stuff, shadowing Erica Kirk and, you know, all of this.
And this is kind of the center of all the stuff.
And I've been investigating it all and none of it pans out.
Not saying there is another FBI cover-up of leftist accomplices, which we know they've done.
In real life, and decoy saying, I shot Kirk so the bad guy could get away.
And then you see the reported shooter who's confessed in court.
He's all smiling, laughing with his trans tie on.
Oh, he's such a sweet young man from photos.
Now you see it.
How's it going to look when this trial happens?
And there's all the witnesses and all the video him saying he did it and everything.
So I don't do this to attack Candace.
This is just one piece.
And since they've, even before they saw this, they've gone and reverse engineered it and gone and got all the real flight logs, integrated with the public logs.
And I was told they were going to be presenting this to Candace Owens yesterday at that four and a half hour meeting.
That's why she came out and said, oh, I feel really good now.
Yeah.
And they presented her a bunch of the points that have been said with the facts, with the documents, like this, Did you know TPUSA was audited?
Did you know there were federal investigations?
This is exclusive stuff.
Oh, no.
Well, here they are.
We're clean.
You think we do something corrupt?
You know, all money stolen.
All this.
Don't give your money to them.
That's probably the worst thing she did just off rumors on the internet.
Oh, Charlie didn't know what was going on money-wise.
Charlie was in complete control of everything.
They were knocking on doors.
They were getting millions of kids to go vote.
They did a great job.
We need them to win the midterms.
We need them to continue.
The good people in the cabinet that are there with Trump.
So here's the whole 11-minute report.
And you can go get these flight logs yourself.
TPUSA has gone and done this.
The public ones, but you can pay more and get even more data.
But even off the public data, 66% incorrect.
And we're just correcting it.
And if that's not right, Candice, you can just disprove it.
But Candace is like, oh, I had a great meeting now.
I bet you did.
Because they had all the points and all the data and all the stuff.
So I thought we need to move forward and find out the 10 accomplices that said Charlie will be dead tomorrow.
Because they don't want to make it a left-wing thing.
They want to limit it.
Just like they're now blaming his own FBI, Chase 6 pipe bomber, being a Republican, and even High Label FBI agents are blowing the whistle saying the guy's autistic.
It's a setup.
The metadata doesn't even set up.
There's a problem with the FBI.
We don't know exactly what they're covering up, but there's a cover-up.
So I agree with Candace's questioning tanks.
TPUSA, the Army, the French, the Egyptians, the Israelis, they're all involved.
On September 10th, 2025, Charlie Kirk was shot and killed at Utah Valley University.
Police say they have the shooter.
There's a confession, DNA, and a recovered weapon.
His name is Tyler Robinson.
His parents identified him from FBI photos and helped turn him in.
But online, a very different story has taken hold.
A story claiming this wasn't a lone gunman, but a coordinated multinational operation involving Egypt, Israel, France, the United States, federal agencies, TPUSA executives, Bridget McCrone, and even French legionnaires.
And at the center of it all are two planes.
Candice Owens has told millions of people that two Egyptian military aircraft, SUBTT and SUBND, tracked Erica Kirk's movements 73 times over three years.
Between 2022 and September of 2025, both of those aircrafts, SUBTT, the yellow plane, and SUBND, the blue plane, showed look at how much conviction she's talking.
Maybe at TPUSA, they had the meeting and they're like, they're like, they hit her with like the nerve gas, whatever, and she goes out and put like a worm in her brain, like control, right?
Like animorphs or something.
Uh, I could see that, maybe, you know, but like, like, this is, I tried to pause it and then play it again to find a different facial expression.
She's like beaming at the audience, like, this is true, like, this is what I believe.
Less than a point zero one conviction percent probability, okay, under random distribution models that these Egyptian planes coincidentally landed around Erica at these times.
Candace claimed a source contacted her DIA hotline, alleging Egyptian passengers were escorted off one of the planes in Wilmington, Delaware by federal agents into a building housing the FBI, DOJ, DHS, and Secret Service.
She presented this as evidence of U.S. government collusion.
And why would you ever like, they already have the perfect narrative, like, oh, the guy who liked the trans killed the Charlie Kirk because the Charlie Kirk didn't like the trans and therefore XYZ, blah, blah, blah.
And this is why I pointed her and I'm like, look, if you're trying to discredit an alternative theory as to what happened, like, you couldn't do a better job.
Guys, I'm telling you, I'm telling you guys right now and everybody who's witnessed, if we ever get to the point where rather than just reporting on the things, talking about it, and then kind of giving you guys the factoids, and we just run off the rails and just go about talking about other things and trying to piece together things.
Right, it always comes back because you're, you were so right about this.
Oh my god.
That was a really good point because fundamentally You look at Candace Owens and let's say you're a business owner who has like some very successful thing going on and fundamentally, like she could fit within the organization and you could do a business plan.
You see her doing this stuff.
You're going to think twice, right?
About taking her on as a business partner now, right?
Well, yeah, I mean, definitely just anything like that, I'm relying on like the dreams that I had to interpret reality and whatnot, like anything like that.
And it's like, okay, well, like, this just, this isn't going to work out.
But, you know, it's interesting that she can be as crazy as hell.
And then one meeting with Erica Kirk and then everything's fine.
And that, that's where I go, like, it's just all a psyop because none of it means anything.
It's literally, it's, it's, they've turned a man's death into slop.
Because you go, no, no, no, the guy died and it was sad and therefore you can't criticize.
It's the same thing whereas like, and I'm, I'm not, and this is how powerful, this is how, this is how powerful of a genjutsu spell all this is, is that I literally have to go, I, I disavow past remarks.
This is all speculation.
This is me having a thought experiment, hypothetical, the stuff my dad said about Sandy Hook, right?
And then you, and then you, then you go, like, okay, so if Candace says this stuff about this organization, why hasn't she been sued when they're, their, their narrative about the thing is person died, therefore this is the saddest event ever.
But I'm saying fundamentally, though, the way they operate is fundamentally different than just an average family that just wants to like who can get talked into that.
My point is that you have the best story on earth.
Like, God forbid if something horrible like this happens to you, like you're a family mass shooting survivor, or like your husband dies in a political assassination.
You now have essentially like an infinite debit card of political capital where you can go back to that thing and you can go, okay, anyone criticizing me or the situation or anything involved in it, you are child.
Because I think fundamentally, if she were to just go and like, you know, I think her ideology is probably different where she's not going to go sue for a billion dollars.
And also there's a cost-benefit analysis that's there for like, okay, you're going to go sue, put all that effort in when you've got other things going on.
Those families that sued your dad didn't really have a whole lot going on and were easily able to just ask.
But the reason why I want to talk about this is because, you know, political commentary is one thing, talking about Kirk, talking about, you know, Mentes and all these things.
And Linda says something very funny here.
She said it's like all like a celebrity gossip and supermarket tabloids.
That's why I bring these things into the play because these things are things that can actually impact you, me, all of us in the future.
So specifically what's happening here with the EV market, you're going to see here that Europe, specifically Germany and Italy, have now repositioned themselves when it comes to thinking about EVs.
Like they wanted to have, I think by 2035 or something, it's like 95% complete ban on like petrol and gasoline vehicles and go completely EV or some alternative.
And now they're walking that back based off of the circumstances that are happening.
The ones, and everybody knows who America's is, but like some of these other countries, you know, I'm not spending the time really like looking into who's running their country at that specific moment.
But like, getting back to your story, this was the thing that they were saying, like all of Biden basically is like, get ready, like, the EVs are here.
This is why, like, Trump and Elon, one of their big beefs was that Trump got rid of the EV subsidy.
And actually, it started with also the United States as well.
Trump has walked back a lot of the things that we're talking about here with EVs.
And Biden had the intention of by like also 2030 something for us to like completely transition, which they, by the time they ended towards the end of the administration, I think they walked back some of those things, realizing it fundamentally wasn't possible.
But just to give you guys a understanding of like what is happening in the EV market specifically, there are things that are that are drying up the demand for EVs because it was a hype thing.
Fundamentally, I think EVs still have a ways to go.
I think the thing we're seeing here is a slowdown, not an ending of this.
And the thing is, is like I look at it and I think I look at it from a very average perspective of being like, okay, well, like maybe it would make sense to have one if it was cheap, if it was a cheaper alternative.
So, yes, that is one of the things is the energy cost is one of the things that has allowed people to be like, okay, I'm not sure we're going to do that.
And also, depending on where you live, by the way, that can make a big deal too.
So like a place like California might charge differently as far as the wattage versus like a place in Louisiana or really Hawaii versus Louisiana.
Mississippi is actually the worst place to have an EV, guys.
They have no infrastructure whatsoever.
And then you look at California, California is the best place to have an EV where they have that.
But I mean, fundamentally, until they can fix the battery technology to where it can charge as fast or not even as fast, but just shorter of a timeframe than what you're looking at for versus a gas.
That's another thing that's preventing.
Like, that's what stopped me, honestly.
I don't want to go on a long distance trip and have to spend an hour every single time that my battery dries up every three or 400 miles and it extends my trip exponentially at that point.
It's like, that seems to be the main thing, right?
Like if filling it up is ultimately cheaper than the gas, then it does make sense from a perspective of buying it or looking into it.
My thing is, like, if you took, if you took my truck and then you took a Tesla Model Y or something, you go, Model Y is faster, it's quiet, it drives itself, XYZ, blah, blah, blah.
But if you do a coast-to-coast race and one of those things, the gas-powered truck is going to beat it every single time because it has to stop and charge.
If you go out to a fast charger, you're looking at somewhere around $26 to $38.
And then for a gas car, you're looking at $35.
So going out, yeah, fundamentally is very similar in terms of prices, but at home is where you save the cost because you're technically offsetting that and they're not setting a premium for that.
So the thing about this whole issue is the tax credits were a big thing that drove this for us.
Right.
Like Biden and the Democrats.
I don't necessarily think this was a bad thing, to be honest, subsidizing and incentivizing people to get cars because you could get like a $7,500 credit, guys, like where the government literally paid you.
You can get one of these cars where they pay you $7,500 to go ahead and get an EV.
And it made economic sense at that point because they knew it was more expensive.
Yeah, because it's available and if they figured out that wrinkle, and that's what you see, and as I'm sure you're going to talk about with a lot of the Chinese vehicles, is like, it's crazy.
It's crazy what they can do.
And like, look at that.
You get like Huawei, for example.
You go, we keep this Chinese spy technology out of our country.
But it's also because we can't compete with a lot of it because a lot of it's really fucking good and really cheap.
Guys, the reason why you can't get a BYD or any Chinese car in America is specifically for one reason.
It's because we have strategically put 100% tariffs on EV vehicles to where, like, if they, if the Chinese were to even try to start selling them here, it would cost twice the amount than to the average consumer.
And Trump and Rex is saying something that people use as a large argument, like, oh, it's China.
They have spy technology.
They could use this to spy on the Americans.
One, that can already be discredited because you can literally force things into law that create a sandbox in order for these cars to not transmit data specifically.
And you can have we're the only ones that can spy.
And of course, this wheel in front of me looks and feels a lot like that Porsche wheel with these little stalks at the bottom and then the general shape of the thing.
Their phone, because this is a phone company that made a car, by the way.
So the phone that they, well, they do a bunch of technology, but they made a phone.
So they essentially made a phone that works specifically.
Uh, the pre-existing phone works seamlessly with the vehicle.
So it's like if Apple did exactly what they said they were going to do and make an Apple car that works seamlessly with the with, with the mainstream phone that people are using to have cars with landlines in them, that would be so cool.
It's like such a flex, like pull out the car phone software and then you've got um, the rear seats have tablets on them that people can go and watch tv.
Uh, you've got active bolstering seats with kind of like okay, the way I can describe it is, as you're driving and you're making corners, the seats hug you right, and that is something.
Yeah it's, it's.
The seats tighten around, tighten around you as you take corners, and you know, normally that feature alone goes into like a hundred thousand dollar car right.
And then you're also talking about like the physical buttons in it.
You've got like things that are in this car that make it that's supposed to be like.
You know, it's a higher standard, what you pay in America, exactly like our base model, luxury for this isn't even the top of the line model okay, not even the top of the line model, and they're giving you all these features.
Now let's go and compare the side to side.
I got you I know what you want with this of comparing the Tesla, because it just it begs the difference.
It begs the difference.
You're like okay well, how much does this vehicle cost?
Because it should cost a lot of money, right?
And when you look at it line by line, the base model guys, in Us dollars, for this vehicle is twenty nine thousand dollars.
The Tesla Model Three, which is the base version of, like Tesla, that you could get 34 000 and it doesn't even have and that that's like.
That's like the bottom floor team doesn't even have all the features.
We'll compare the middle one, because that's kind of like Midger, it's a bigger car, it's a wider car, it's a slightly taller car by basically nothing uh, slightly bigger wheel wheelbase, and just just going through the details go down to the, the things that matter here.
And in America, honestly, like the coolest deals you can get are on like used cars, right?
Just something that's reliable.
Like to me, a hybrid Prius is actually a very cool vehicle, right?
Because it's never going to die.
It's got like 50 miles to the gallon, basically.
Dual capability, you can charge it.
You can fill it up with gas.
You got that emergency power reservoir.
To me, like I look at a car and I want it to be reliable, number one, and I want it to be, you know, I want it to be effective at what it's going to do, number two.
So if it had a bigger range and it was cheaper, then I would just look at it and go, of course, this is a viable option.
Whereas for a Tesla, for what I want, paying 60 grand, 55 grand for a vehicle, ultimately, with a battery in it, I'm not doing it.
And then you're going to like Tesla is supposed to be the top of the line EV.
We're not even talking about the other brands and companies that have built their own EV models in which they cost more than the Tesla, right?
And then also their base models don't even have a fraction of these options specifically because Tesla has done some really good things as far as the EV quality has gone.
So fundamentally, if you look at it, so like the rest of the world has already started to allow these things to happen.
I actually saw a BYD here in America, and it was only because you could, the guy bought it in Mexico and he drove it over here with Mexican plates, which you can do and stay here for a year.
So if you want to go get yourself interesting.
If you want to get yourself a BYD, go get your car registered in Mexico.
I hate all this like competing and stuff like this.
Like at the end of the day, free market compete business.
The governments are like too in bed with all this stuff.
China, the same thing.
Like China's doing a whole bunch of shit they shouldn't be doing.
Whereas, like, if we fundamentally have a free free market, checks and balances to that as well, so that there's not monopolies, and we just allow people to do capitalism the way it was supposed to be made.
You get a really nice car with cool features that doesn't cost as much, and actually, you get to have the benefit of just having a good life.
But instead, we sit here and we have to make this a them versus us situation, and there's no global cooperation.
And when global cooperation happens and barriers are taken down in certain aspects, you get good stuff that happens to you.
I mean, that's the biggest issue I have with us talking about our blah, blah, blah, our capitalism, our free market, when essentially we really have the same system that Chinese have, except we run it a lot worse than they do.
And when you look at the innovation that comes out from out of there, you can go, yeah, uh, no human rights, and you work in the factory.
But ultimately, when it comes down to something like saving Americans money, if you're able to get Americans cheap vehicles, that would be helping Americans out.
But ultimately, it's like you say, the lobbying, the special interest, like, why is Elon there?
Why are all these other people there?
Very simply to maintain the artificial market that they built around themselves, right?
And this is something we talk about in the gray area all the time.
It's just how the overarching systems impact everything.
And it's very clear with this and other topics that there's another game being played.
I just eventually, um, there's so many topics to do deep dives and cover, but I really need to understand fundamentally why lobbying is even allowed, you know, because it makes money.
But it's just like it doesn't work for the people like we think it did.
I think the thing fundamentally that I just see around this whole thing is I just want to start talking about things that are important and that matter.
And, you know, Candace doing her thing.
It's fine.
Fuentes doing his thing.
It's fine.
But like this soap opera that happens in those spaces, look, you can sit there and pay attention to them, but they're not going to get, they're not going to move the needle in your life.
Being educated about this thing and knowing, like, okay, well, there's a potential that I could get a better vehicle and this might come into the market eventually.
Well, that's that's what makes the show so good is looking at these things from both you know like the worst perspective and the best perspective and then trying to find the truth in the middle.
That's why it's called the gray area.
And like we appreciate y'all being here with us tonight, right?
And, you know, we allow China to come in and it wasn't that positive to allow China into it because I'm able to order stuff off Amazon super cheap, super fast, easy, those types of things.
Net doesn't, I'm not talking about job losses and things like that.
I'm talking about net, but greed comes into play here in competition and people dick swinging around.
And also, capitalism that is unchecked is how we get to this situation where you have monopolies.
And that's why the capitalism system that works right now fundamentally is not working because we have lost sight of those checks and balances, which the government was supposed to be that check and balance.