Rex Jones and Nick Fuentes clash with Piers Morgan over racial crime stats, where Fuentes cites Chicago gang violence while Morgan dismisses it as cherry-picking. Jones accuses Morgan of hypocrisy—supporting Holocaust denial laws yet ignoring Gaza/Ukraine conflicts—while callers like New Groyper In South rant about "green-skinned Satanists" selling baby parts. Alex Jones’ 2012 debate resurfaces, exposing Morgan’s gun-control push despite backing wars. The episode reveals media manipulation, algorithmic amplification of fringe voices, and the gray area between free speech, censorship, and systemic power struggles. [Automatically generated summary]
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome to the gray area, episode 27 of the live show.
And just a reminder, my co-host Tim Tompkins, he's in Germany doing some business.
So I'll be holding down the fort and kind of had to rush around.
I kind of had to walk my dog.
I kind of had to do a few things because my roommate, he's also gone.
He's in Guadalajara, Mexico.
He's trying to do like immersion and learn Spanish.
So it's really just me holding down the fort alone tonight.
I really look forward to tonight's show because everyone's talking about it.
I've seen a couple of clips, but I've been savoring it.
I've been saving it for myself to enjoy live on stream the Piers Morgan ex Nick Fuentes debate discussion talk show, whatever you want to call it.
They did a full two hour, which, you know, Nick does a very long stream.
He usually does like a two, a two hour, two and a half hour stream, kind of like we do at night, even though it's really like five or six hours with all the intro music and stuff that he plays before he goes live.
But it's always interesting for me to see when people appear in a long format on someone else's broadcast.
Because like, take me, for example, right?
Like I'm sitting here in my home.
I'm comfortable.
I'm at my home studio.
I have everything arrayed exactly how I want it.
And like, this is my ideal setup, right?
Like for me to pontificate, for me to rant.
No one's going to stop me from doing it.
But when you're on someone else's show, especially someone that's not entirely favorable to you, you got to deal with a lot more.
And, you know, from what I've seen so far, I think Fuentes did a pretty good job.
However, Piers Morgan is a master of the game.
He's been doing this for decades and decades and decades.
And from some of the things I saw, he got up to his usual tricks.
Now, something that I noticed from day one, and really, like when I heard this came out, I was actually up at the Infowars office and I was sitting with Rob Dew.
I was actually sitting with Alex.
I was sitting with my dad as well.
And we were watching the interview and Dew had it in premiere because he was editing it up and making a highlight reel and whatnot for Alex to react to.
And I go, hey, isn't Fuentes' camera usually a lot better than that?
Why does it look so shitty?
Why is he so low resolution?
And I was like, oh, well, of course he's low resolution.
They want to make him look as bad as possible.
And like, this is a classic mainstream media trick.
They did this during COVID with Rogan, right?
They took Rogan and they made him look kind of like green.
They literally put like a Shrek filter over him or something like that.
And, you know, when you're, when you're on another person's broadcast or when they're just talking about you and they're against you, they're always going to make you appear in the worst light.
And an InfoWars classic, we do this as well.
Like we're guilty of this as well.
I'm guilty of it.
I think it's fun.
Is a classic still image zoom in on a person.
It's maybe not the best photo of them.
And you go, look at this person.
Would you let this person babysit your children?
And anyone that's a frequent Infowars watcher or viewer or listener knows exactly what I'm talking about.
That's about 10% of the show.
That's about as common as like a gut level or like a second, third, fourth order thinking rant from Alex, right?
But Piers Morgan, getting back into what I was talking about, he's been doing this for decades and he's extremely skilled at what he does, which is appearing to remain neutral and appearing to remain kind of like the moderate arbiter of truth when he, in fact, is very opinionated, very, very neocon, neolib, very, very much establishment.
And he's not a neutral actor.
He's a hostile actor in all of this, right?
But Piers Morgan unique out of everyone else kind of on the establishment side.
And I definitely put him there.
No matter how much anti-woke signaling he tries to do or tries to talk about, he is the king of woke.
He is the king of the libs.
He is the king of gun control for one key example, right?
And that's what my dad roasted him alive over nearly, actually, damn, it's crazy over a decade ago, right?
2012, I believe that was.
Isn't that crazy how time flies?
But sitting here now, Piers Morgan has had an immense resurgence in his popularity since starting doing his show, Piers Morgan Uncensored.
And why is that?
Well, he is a great grifter.
And what he's able to do with his connections and with his media platform is get like the most controversial, the biggest names, the best people really, and put them on like a four or two way panel.
And he's able to kind of moderate and arbitrate between them, right?
So he has had intensive training, both practical and I'm sure from his handlers behind the scenes of how to deal with controversial figures and how to make them look bad and how to kind of paint a narrative.
Now, Nick Fuentes, on the other hand, is someone who, since the age of 18, has been doing his own political broadcast, his own political show multiple nights a week, if not every night a week for two, three, sometimes even four hours.
And he's trained in that way, right?
No one is a more generational talent.
No one is a better student of the game.
No one is a better talker than Nick Fuentes.
And people will hear me say that and go, oh, you're just a shit, you're like a shiller, a simp for Fuentes, right?
And like, here's my thing.
And I want to get into this before we fully get into the broadcast, right?
And before we fully get into the reaction, which is coming, just give me like five or 10 minutes to go over this.
Here's my thinking when it comes to all of that.
How do I put this?
How do I phrase it?
Fuentes is someone that is classically trained in the sense of he's done the studying, he's done the homework, and he has the talent.
And there's no one else in our generation that can really measure up to that standard, right?
However, he doesn't really have a traditional media background.
And what does this present?
This presents an opportunity for people, at least they think it presents an opportunity for people like Piers to come in and kind of big bro him, to kind of smack him around on his platform now that he's not on his platform, right?
Now, I don't think that's exactly what went down after watching, you know, the few clips that I've seen.
I think Nick did a pretty good job.
But, you know, Piers did, you know, he did a little jiu-jitsu on him a couple of times.
And, you know, what I was trying to get into, the point I'm trying to make here is I come at this from a pretty unique perspective.
I've been actively politically involved, politically aware, for good or bad, for bias or no bias.
And my opinions have changed over the years.
I've been involved in the political space for well over a decade, right?
Just as a fan, as a listener, as a viewer, especially of like alternative and new media, right?
So I come at it from the perspective of I'm fans of a lot of different people.
I'm fans, or I'm a fan of Nick Fuentes.
I'm a fan of Due Dissonance.
I'm a fan of my father.
I'm a fan of others that do great shows because I'm a fan of the art style in the medium, right?
Like I myself, even though I'm not as talented as Fuentes, I'm a student of the game myself and I consume just oceans and oceans and oceans of this media or as it's now called content.
And I come at it from a perspective of, you know, even if I don't agree with everything a person says, if they're a talented broadcaster, I'm just interested to tune in to see what they have to say and how they say it, because not everyone can talk like that, right?
And no one is able to do a better two-hour rant than Nick Fuentes.
However, when he's on someone else's show, that's not the style that he is able to employ.
And I heard someone else say this in the comment section and got a lot of likes.
They have different styles.
And as we say in MMA, styles make fights.
And the thing with Piers that you have to come at from day one or just from minute one, if you're going on a broadcast with him, is he is a dishonest actor.
He is someone that positions himself to be neutral, positions himself to be a moderate, positions himself to be anti-woke, when in fact he is all of those things wrapped into one, right?
And from what I've seen, Fuentes' goal, his approach when getting into this broadcast was to come at it from kind of, you know, I don't want to say peaceful, but a very, very measured and composed approach to show that he's not he's not a reactionary.
He's not overly emotional.
He's not there to fight.
He's there to give the ideas.
And I think it's important to give the ideas.
And I like seeing that.
And I like seeing that on Tucker, right?
But, you know, sitting here in the chair as someone that's had experience with this and as someone who can tell you this, it's very hard to be combative with someone on their show.
And like, even if you can't stand them, you know, it's very hard.
It takes a lot of testicular fortitude, right?
And that's something my dad has a lot of.
That's something my dad's showcased a lot of over the years going on broadcasts like this, going on broadcasts like The View.
And I think you got to be a little more aggressive.
Now, that being said, I haven't seen it.
And I've been saving it for this live stream so that we could live react to it.
Really quick, I'm going to read some of your comments, see what you have to say, and we're going to get into that live reaction of Nick Fuentes versus Piers Morgan.
And this is the biggest thing on the internet right now.
I expect it'll be the biggest thing on the internet for another week because like we don't see a lot of this.
We don't see a lot of boomer-zoomer interaction.
And I don't know how old Piers Morgan is.
He might as well be a boomer, ladies and gentlemen, right?
But the British accent game doesn't work anymore.
People have kind of figured that out.
In kind of the American parlance, because we have a stripped down utilitarian version of the King's English or whatever you want to call it, we see British people with kind of that foppish, pompous accent as somehow 10 to 20 IQ points higher than they actually are.
And this is confirmed in the studies, right?
And, you know, Nick doesn't buy into that.
Alex doesn't buy into that.
I don't buy into that.
But to the vast viewing public, that is the perception.
And to counter that, you have to hammer him and you have to make him explode because he will explode if you push him.
And Alex made him explode.
So I'm going to see what y'all have to say.
We're going to get into the reaction.
This is going to be very fun.
And after we get into the reaction, we're going to do a call-in show.
I want to hear what y'all have to say on this.
I want to hear what y'all have to think about this and on other topics too.
Honestly, and I put this in the comment section before I went live or while I went live at the very beginning, I have NATO and the EU on my mind.
And I have a lot of things I want to discuss and a lot of clips I want to show and a lot of things I want to say.
But I know y'all are here for Fuentes Morgan.
I am too.
I've been putting it off.
I need to watch it.
So let's get into that now, but I want to see what you guys have to say.
Shout out Honey Badger.
Shout out International Gold.
Shout out Ashley Rose Gold.
Shout out New Grouper.
New Grouper, please call in when I give out the number.
I'm very excited to talk to New Grouper tonight.
I'm sure he's got a lot of opinions on the Fuentes presentation.
Because he's a product of a culture which has turned on its own and left many young people feeling listless and bitter.
He's either a litmus test for right-wing hypocrisy on free speech or a walking-talking manifestation of where the lines should be drawn.
And a frankly, preposterous amount of airtime has been spent on debating everything from his ideology to his sexuality and whether anyone should actually talk to him at all.
You know, before I even saw clips of this thing, I saw this random dude, this random like Barry Weiss creation guy who gets no views, who gets no likes, who gets no comments, until magically he's pushed into everyone's algorithm.
And this guy, although he doesn't have the British accent, he doesn't have the foppish presentation that Pierce has, they're literally the exact same person.
And you'll notice this with criticisms of Fuentes.
I want this to be an opportunity to get to the real person.
I don't know who that person is, but I do want to use this opportunity to get there.
I've seen you talk as we prepared for this in exchanges with people and on your show, saying if you fear it's going to be very hostile, it's going to be an ambush, all those kind of things.
You believe or what you say you believe, and an examination of what your rising popularity says about the state of the conservative movement in America.
He is consciously playing this double game as part of a long-term strategy to become popular enough to take the reins of power, at which point he plans to pivot towards the extreme and unpopular policies that he advocates dangerously.
Or early how, like my childhood or a little bit later?
Well, I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago in LaGrange Park, as you say.
My parents are ethnics.
You know, my father's half Mexican, half Irish.
My mother's Italian.
And they both came from a pretty rough upbringing themselves.
They both were raised by single mothers, not because of divorce, but because both of their fathers had died.
They endured a lot of dysfunction.
And I think that's one of the reasons they came together and they related to each other and they wanted to create a normal upbringing for their children.
They wanted to have a normal family life.
And so they moved out to LaGrange Park, away from the city.
And they raised me and my sister and really put us first.
I think that's a big reason why I tend to have a lot of these family values or Christian values.
My mother quit her job and stayed at home to raise us.
And so I have a very close relationship with my parents, with my sister.
We're a very tight family.
And we grew up in a pretty idyllic town.
And maybe we can sort of get into a conversation about politics from this.
I loved my upbringing.
My mom stayed at home.
My dad was working.
We're in a mostly white suburb in Chicago.
Everybody was, I was maybe half Catholic, half Protestant.
It was a baseball town.
I played baseball for many years.
In Chicago, we love our hot dogs.
We have our baseball parade and get a hot dog.
And so I love where I came from.
I love the city.
It's a working class city.
I love the people here.
They're very good, humble, down-to-earth, decent people.
And I guess I had my political, not to jump ahead, but this is a big part of where my political awakening came from.
I sort of left this bubble, if you could call it that, when I went to college in 2016, I went to Boston University and I read a lot of things online.
And I realized the country does not look like LaGrange Park.
It doesn't look like Western Springs or Hinsdale or Elmhurst.
It looks very different.
The country's undergoing a radical transformation because of immigration.
And so I saw that and I said, this is not really a desirable change.
I don't like the south side of Chicago or the west side or LA or certain parts of Boston as much as I like where I came from.
And I guess that's what made me an American nationalist.
I said, I want to preserve my home and the things that are familiar to me and the things I like about my home.
And not to pause too much, I know the first thing they always do to disarm you is to make you talk about your background to kind of lull you into a false sense of security.
And they start hammering you with questions.
I've seen them do this to Fuentes before.
Hell, even Tucker did it to him, right?
But not to pontificate on that too much, like Piers is someone who said that he doesn't care if the UK is majority non-white.
He doesn't care if the place his ancestors have been from for thousands of years is no longer their ancestral home.
Hey, as long as he gets a bowl of curry, it's all right.
I don't know where you want to go with that, but my first question is were your parents immigrants to the United States or were their parents or were their grandparents?
In other words, at some stage, I presume there were immigrants in your family who came to the U.S. Is that correct?
So he's talking about someone, a grandparent, a great-grandparent who came here versus the 10, 20, probably more than 20 million people that came here in the last four or five years alone.
And Piers wants to draw a false equivalency between the two, and it simply doesn't exist.
And that's when you got to realize he's a hostile actor.
This is not someone trying to have a constructive conversation.
He's not even trying to hear Nick's viewpoints, even if he disagrees with them.
I always believe everybody is a product of their environment.
I've interviewed thousands of people.
I mean, maybe three, four, 5,000 people from all different walks of life.
But the one common theme I would say is everyone's a product of their environment.
And I was reading some stuff about you in the last few days.
There was an episode of your podcast where you talked about your father, Bill Fuentes, and how he wouldn't take the family, including you, to certain restaurants, because he believed they were associated with African Americans.
We would be deciding where to go to eat, you said.
What are we going to do for dinner tonight?
It was a running joke.
Me and my sister would say Applebee's, and my dad would say we would never eat at Applebee's.
Not in a million years should you be caught dead, Fuentes said about Applebee's.
Go to a different restaurant, a local restaurant.
No Applebee's, no red lobster.
That is commonly known as black fare.
And you also shared another story about your family and restaurants.
So before me and my sister were born, my family had a saying about Olive Garden that contains the N-word that we're not allowed to say.
So my question, based on that anecdote that you say on your own podcast, is: do you think you grew up in a racist environment, that your father was inherently racist?
So notice, and Piers is so good at doing this because, like I said, he's had the decades and decades of experience of just how to needle and just how to do it just right and just how to do it properly so that he says highly offensive inflammatory things and attacks people's families and attacks them themselves, but is then able to just be seen as, I'm just posing a question.
I've been attacked for being a racist many times, but to attack my father, to attack my parents based on anecdotes, I would say that's your, it's your, hang on, it's your anecdote.
Simply asking you whether my assessment of that, which is that your father didn't want to take you to certain restaurants because of what you refer to as they were commonly known as black fare, whether that attitude to African Americans in in that instance permeates into you.
Yeah no, like I said, I think everybody knows what that is, but i'll address it, i'll engage with it and i'll defend my father from the charge of racism, sure no, my parents, my parents, are not racist and they've never been racist.
I'll tell you about my parents.
They used to have a school in Chicago, in the South Loop, where they instructed people on how to shoot firearms.
It was a security school and most of the clients were black um, and I believe actually, one of their clients was Larry who oh, arming black people, training black people, responsible black people how to use guns.
See see, this is a.
This is a whole world of difference here.
Peers and Nick, they live in different worlds.
For as fallen as America is this is something I want to get in with the callers later on the show for as fallen as we are, for as broken as we are, for as many rights that we've lost, we do still have an element of true freedom here, and Peers is essentially a state globalist mouthpiece for the British establishment and he can't even fathom a world where people are armed.
He, it's completely out of his mind.
So Fuentes making an anecdote, or Fuentes making a joke, or Fuentes saying his dad said something about not going to a certain restaurant or whatnot, I mean, compared to giving people guns and training them how to use them Hoofer's Son at one point, sort of a funny story and so most of their clients would come in from the south side of Chicago.
My grandmother she grew up in the projects in the city and so my family being in Chicago, being ethnics uh, being Italian Irish, Mexican in the West Side uh, on Taylor Street, all over the city, my family, for many generations, have lived near and around black people.
And look, my views about black people and their views about black people are shaped with experiences with black people uh, and what they will tell you, what my parents would say if they were here, is that for many, many years the older generations of black people were very respectful, very humble, very decent.
In fact, my grandma used to have an anecdote, she grew up in a lot of dysfunction, her mother was mentally ill and they would be having dinner in the projects and there'd be so much chaos and dysfunction and disagreement and fighting.
And she would look across the way out the window at a black family in the other apartment and they'd be holding hands around the table saying grace, and this is sort of the culture that used to prevail.
But now what you have in the city is that there's no accountability for the black people and now Chicago has become a complete dump because these teenagers go out and they take over the city.
They call them teen takeovers uh, that's the euphemism for it.
They're teenagers, but they all come from the same neighborhood.
They drive up there and they mug people and attack people and they destroy cars and destroy shops.
We had the festival of Lights a couple of weeks ago.
It's supposed to be a family event and they light up the trees and they you know.
There's a big parade.
I was in the parade one year and you had a bunch of black people there shooting each other.
Seven people shot.
A 14-year-old killed in the Magnificent Mile.
And I know there's a lot of black people that feel the same way about this.
They say we've lost control of the city and we're looking for accountability.
We have a lot of black people that are always outraged about racism, outraged about attitudes from white people, but they're never ashamed of some of these behaviors, never ashamed of some of the things that go on.
And that's why I think there's a lot of negative attitudes these days.
And so, you know, again, I think those attitudes, you say I'm a product of my environment.
I am.
And so are my parents and my grandparents.
Unlike you, because you're not even American in Chicago, we have to live in a big, diverse city where there's a lot of different kinds of people.
I mean, I hope he gets into this more later in the future.
I can rattle off the gun statistics for the United States of America, like the back of my hand.
I've known him since 2012.
Peers will try to represent Britain as some sort of utopia where because they don't have any or they don't have much gun crime or gun violence or gun deaths because they have no guns, there's some sort of morally superior culture.
When I would argue, as I saw the clip in Nick talking about Aladdin, I'm sure he'll get into it.
I would argue people getting acid attacked, people getting raped.
They can't defend themselves, people getting knifed and stabbed and robbed at like saber point.
No, but you haven't really directly, I think, responded to it, which is whether your father would not take you to certain restaurant chains because he associated them with black Americans.
These are kind of the attitudes of baby boomers in society, but you're trying to spin it into a narrative, which is you're a product of your environment.
I mean, the beauty of what I'm going to talk to you about in this interview is that almost all of it is just going to be reminding you what you have said and asking you what you meant.
Your position about that story is that it was a joke.
Okay.
I want to come to something else you said.
This is where you talk about Jews, women, and blacks.
Let's just take a listen.
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They're always coming up with, no, it's not the Jews.
I mean, I guess this is what happens when your wife takes a six-week break from the marriage to go get railed in a visa or something, which is apparently what goes on in the Morgan household.
Not really going to comment on that too much, you know, to each his own.
I'm not going to criticize Piers too much for that.
But notice how angry Piers Morgan is.
And notice how skilled he is at disguising his anger and trying to come off as some sort of rational moral actor.
He wants to attack Fuentes.
He wants to rip him apart.
And he's doing his best to do so.
And you know what?
I hadn't seen the full thing before.
And I still haven't seen the full thing.
We're going through it right now.
But with this tone of passive aggressiveness, I do think the best approach is from Fuentes saying, what's with the interruptions?
Why won't you let me talk?
Why won't you let me speak?
Because Piers Morgan is building a narrative brick by brick by brick.
He started off talking about Nick Fuentes' father, opposing Nick Fuentes' origin from the home, from the cradle as being racist.
And now he's getting into Fuentes hating black people and wanting them all in jail.
You know, Fuentes said he said that seriously, but then kind of goes on to clarify that it's a joke and he wants the murderers to be in prison.
Obviously, no one wants a large portion or majority of black people to be locked up.
I don't like that.
I'm not a racist.
I don't agree with that.
But it is a shocking crime statistic that about 5% of that demographic literally commits nearly all the crime in the country.
And that's just a fact on its face.
And what Fuentes is talking about is before he was interrupted is, hey, people will pay much higher property tax in order to not live in these areas, in order to not deal with these people to deal with the YNs, because it's just, it's hell on earth.
People, Chicago, if you look up the statistics, I do it every month or so.
Every weekend, it's nearly dozens of deaths, if not dozens of deaths.
But notice it's only a problem white people do it, right?
And you know what?
I don't even hold this viewpoint, right?
Like I date black women.
I like them.
I'll be honest with you right now.
And, you know, Nick Fuentes, a little sweet on Candace Owens.
It may be a little hypocritical of him to say this in the clip right here.
Look, are we allowed to have our own opinions?
Are we allowed to have our own prejudices even?
Or do we have to be browbeaten and called racist and called a Nazi and called all these things?
These labels really aren't warranted.
And I'm sure Fuentes will get into it later in the broadcast when Piers Morgan calls him a racist because I've seen the clip.
Eventually, if you just get beat over the head for decades and told that you're evil and told that you're racist, eventually you're just going to say, yeah, you are.
Now, I would not say that.
I'm not a racist person.
I don't hold that many prejudices, but everyone holds prejudices.
Even Piers does.
Now, Piers may hold prejudices against white people, against white British people.
I think it's very clear that he does, right?
But, you know, this is kind of universal to the human condition.
And the only cure for that really is Christianity, realizing that we're all made in the image of God, that everyone deserves human rights and human liberties.
And I think it's very interesting.
And I'll make this point now.
We're going to keep reacting.
Piers Morgan is making it out to be that he's some sort of racial white savior, that he's there to make the principled argument against the evil racist little mini Hitler in the basement man, and that he's going to do all these things, right?
He makes this point and he's layering it and he's building it brick by brick by brick.
So Piers Morgan wants to make it out that he's the arbiter of what's good and what's bad, and he's anti-racist, and that makes him a good person.
Piers Morgan covered up the Gaza genocide for years.
Piers Morgan continues to do so.
He continues to make excuses for it.
He continues to rationalize it.
He continues to, you know, make it look less bad at least.
He continues to have these people on that are really spewing genocidal propaganda.
And Nick Fuentes, for all his faults and all his prejudices and all his racisms, Nick Fuentes is someone that stood up for the people of Palestine, as have I, Free Palestine.
That's why I started doing this broadcast mainly was the war in Ukraine and the war, the genocide in Gaza.
Now, Piers Morgan is someone who has signed on to the killings and bombings and maimings of hundreds of thousands of people trapped in an open-air prison done by Western weapons, funded by the British, funded by Americans, funded by the West.
And see, that's totally okay.
That's totally fine because they're a victim group, you see.
They're a victim group, and that makes anything that they do fine.
And the only group that's not a victim group is white people.
So, of course, Piers Morgan, he loves the Jews.
He loves the ethnics.
He loves everyone in that demographic.
He hates his own people.
And he loves everyone but his own people so much that he's willing to cover up a literal genocide.
And that's what it is.
You can look at the footage of it that we've seen for years.
It's mass killing.
It's mass death.
It's the killing of children.
It's the clearing of homes.
It's the killings of husbands, wives, their entire families.
And then the IDF soldiers will put on the lingerie of the women that they've killed.
And this is something that Piers Morgan has made excuses for.
But you see, Nick Fuentes is the bad person because he makes racial jokes at his home studio.
So we're not playing this game.
And Fuentes made this point on his broadcast.
I watched it yesterday.
It's not 2015 anymore.
This doesn't work when the hypocrisy has been shown on so many various levels.
I'm asking you about a pretty shocking anecdote, which to me looked like you were saying your father made decisions about where you as a family would eat based on skin color of people who worked at these places.
If you say, or use them, if you say that is not what you meant, that's fine.
You can respond any way you like.
But the idea I can't ask you about it without you saying I'm attacking your father is ridiculous.
And there's a political culture in America where if you have the wrong views, you get fired from your job.
And my father has a job.
And if you go on here and say you charge him with racism or something, and I'm put in a position where I don't look like I'm sticking to my guns, if I don't say my father's a racist, you're putting him in jeopardy and he's not here to defend himself or explain his views.
And it's very low.
And I think you know exactly what you're doing and people can see what you're doing.
I'll defend my views.
And I think that, you know, so let's leave him out of it.
Let's just not talk about my father because my father isn't here.
So it's fine for you to put a story out there, which would make most people who listen to that story or watched it at the time on your show conclude that he was racist.
It's fine for you to do that.
But if I then ask you about it, I'm the one who's being unfair and I've crossed a line.
You see, Piers Morgan, he's acting like he's some sort of moral arbiter.
Piers Morgan doesn't fight for the rights of his own people.
Piers Morgan doesn't talk about the censorship or the arrests in the UK.
You know, when he says something like, hey, I don't want to pay for immigrants' health care when they're raping our people, he gets sent to jail for 20 months.
I've played that clip many times on our show.
And notice how that's not the conversation.
Notice how this is a conversation between an American who can actually say what he wants and then a British person who has no rights, but he's a part of the system.
The point of this interview is to go over the things you've said, which have led people to reach conclusions about you and to ascertain whether those conclusions are fair and reasonable or not.
That's it.
So I want to play you another clip.
This is what you talk about: why white people are justified in being racist.
If you're Irina Zarutska and you don't walk the other way, you get stabbed to death and you die.
If you're somebody else and you walk on the subway and you stand you're a black person or something, maybe it's fine.
It's a lose-lose proposition.
So, no, I think that white people, I think that white people have been beaten into submission, that we're afraid to tell the truth about it.
And the truth is that when you go into these major cities like New York or Chicago, I believe she was in North Carolina, there is a menace, which is young black, adolescent men.
They're extremely violent.
And we have been told that we have to pretend like they are every other person.
We have to be colorblind to that.
And we're supposed to go and be in the midst of all this danger.
And I think that at this point, it's gotten out of control.
You look at the BLM movement, they said that the reason that black people are violent or the reason there's crime is because of police brutality, the redlining or all these other things.
They said we need to get rid of the police.
We need to defund them.
And a lot of cities did.
A lot of cities like Chicago, for example, the police change the rules of engagement.
They don't chase them.
It's not a felony.
If you steal a certain amount of merchandise, they won't chase them on foot.
And now the city's totally up for grabs.
And now, whether you're in the Gold Coast or whether you're on the Mag Mile or you're in the worst neighborhoods in the city, you might get shot.
You might get mugged.
Someone might run up on you.
And I tell my followers, it is better to be perceived as racist or racist and walk the other way and maybe keep your life than to say, I'm a good anti-racist.
I don't mind that this person's making me uncomfortable.
Maybe he's looking a little froggy.
I'm going to sit down because I'm a good person and get stabbed, mugged, whatever.
And by the way, this is a strategy.
They call it the friendly stranger.
There's a crew of them.
They do this in Chicago.
They stand outside bars, black people, they approach strangers.
It's a robbery crew and they pretend to be a friendly stranger and then they mug them.
And stupid white people say, oh, hi, yeah, nice to meet you.
Know they grin, they laugh, they put up with the nonsense, and then they get mugged or worse.
And the black people are violent or the reason there's crime is because of police brutality, the redlining or all these other things.
They said we need to get rid of the police.
We need to defund them.
And a lot of cities did.
A lot of cities like Chicago, for example, the police change the rules of engagement.
They don't chase them.
It's not a felony if you steal a certain amount of merchandise.
They won't chase them on foot.
And now the city's totally up for grabs.
And now, whether you're in the Gold Coast or whether you're on the MAG Mile or you're in the worst neighborhoods in the city, you might get shot.
You might get mugged.
Someone might run up on you.
And I tell my followers, it is better to be perceived as racist or racist and walk the other way and maybe keep your life than to say, I'm a good anti-racist.
I don't mind that this person's making me uncomfortable.
Maybe he's looking a little froggy.
I'm going to sit down because I'm a good person and get stabbed, mugged, whatever.
There are more black people proportionally that engage in violent crime or are involved in gangs, especially in these major cities, than there are white people that are school shooters compared to the entire white population.
What I'm saying to you is by your logic, if we now have agreed that the vast majority of mass shootings in schools are committed by white people and predominantly young white men, then presumably your advice would be to avoid young white men because they perpetrate these specifics.
You are because you're, well, I don't think you are dumb.
I think you're smart, actually, but you're deliberately avoiding per capita.
And everybody knows that's the difference.
What proportion of white men are school shooters?
It's probably 0.000001%.
What proportion of black men have committed violent crimes?
It's probably like 5%.
I don't know what it is off the top of my head, but it's very high.
And I would add to that, even as it concerns schools, why do you think parents pay a super high property tax to live in a school district where there's white people?
Because they know that if they go to the black school, it's going to be the bloods in the crypts.
It's going to be gangs.
It's going to be, you know, you talk about school shootings.
Nobody talks about all the school shootings that are committed by gangbangers in and around the school and all the other violence that's associated with that.
I mean, these schools in the south side of Chicago, you know, it's just not an answer for you, Nick.
I think the question of your statistics is a lot of them don't bear much scrutiny.
We have a bunch of fact checkers checking all this in real time because you do have a tendency to just come out of the people trying to find out when you say, you know, well, it's true.
And when you're confronted with reality, you don't like it.
And people could even see what you're, you race ahead and say, well, we're comparing the proportion of white and black school shooters.
I said, no, no, compare the portion of school shooters that are white versus violent criminals that are black, because that was the basis of the monologue is that you're very likely, if you encounter black people or a young black man in the city, that you're going to be the victim of a violent crime, of a robbery, a mugging, a car theft, a carjacking, or a murder.
That's the difference.
And it's about proportionality.
And everybody has that because we all live in reality.
You want to talk about the product of your environment.
People that live in New York, Chicago, LA, we live in reality.
We live in this environment and we see what it's like.
And the threat, the danger in terms of probability is not, it's not even comparable.
And I would add, I would say this to your point.
If you're in a high school and you, and truly, if you see a white person who looks like a little autistic, he's got the SSRI stare and he reaches for a backpack.
People joke and say, 80% of these school mass shootings are done by people on psychotropic drugs.
And that's why they have the black box label on the antidepressants.
That's why that's there.
And just like the young black male crime murder problem, this is something that has to be addressed, right?
I think that that's a huge issue.
I think that's a huge embarrassment to the white community as well.
Just because one thing is happening doesn't mean another thing is not happening.
And Piers Morgan loves to play that game.
And he's very selective in the way that he does it.
He's very selective in the way that he asks questions, even from the framing of how he's bringing up these statistics being incredibly narrowed down and zoomed in, like I talked about earlier.
I mean, he really is a pro.
And like, this is why I, at least at this point in my life, would not go on a show like Piers Morgan uncensored.
I know he'd get me.
And, you know, it really speaks to Fuentes' integrity.
It speaks to Fuentes' experience.
It speaks to his skill level and just natural talent level that he's able to go on a show like this and not just get completely railroaded.
Because up until watching this, I really thought the only strategy was to yell at Piers Morgan and to get him rocked and get him off his game and then kind of go in for the KO.
Nick Fuentes is kind of playing the outside footbattle here.
And it's pretty cool to see.
I wasn't expecting this.
I was expecting him to be more quiet from the clips that I'd seen.
Of course, I should have realized this.
Of course, they were all biased towards Piers Morgan.
But when you look at the full thing in context, it really is.
It's an attempted railroading that's really being jiu-jitsu shut down.
They are, they're the most racist of all, let me tell you.
And to pretend that people don't have these inherent biases and to pretend that the biases aren't there for a reason is just to be intellectually dishonest.
And, you know, Pierce knows this.
He's smart, but he comes at it from the framework of, you know, being a traitor.
And it's all the second chance, the second chance.
It's the rehabilitation.
You're going to get better.
When it's like a schizophrenic, demon-possessed man, they let him out of jail.
They let him out of jail.
They let him out of jail.
He gets on the subway.
The little Ukrainian girl gets on the subway.
She doesn't know anything about America.
She just sits down.
He's right behind her.
He pulls out the knife.
He stabs her in the neck.
He stabs her again.
He stabs her again.
And then he walks out and you can hear him say, like, I killed that white girl.
And so if someone else is making it racial, you're not allowed to address that and also come at it from the same context and same perspective.
See, it's a double standard.
They hold themselves to another standard and then you get held to, they hold themselves to a standard.
They hold you to another standard.
And notice it's not even the black people doing this.
A lot of the black people agree with Nick, right?
And maybe not to the same degree.
And I'll go on to defend black people.
I think a lot of these reasons why we live in this society, we have these problems with specific minority groups is because of a cultural decay that was really implemented by the government to create a permanent underclass.
And I think that that's true.
I think that that's a tragedy.
But at the end of the day, if the person that kills the person kills them for a racial reason, and this happens a lot and this happens over and over and over again, and then you look at the perspective as a white person, you're not allowed to get angry about it.
You're like, well, you know, there are a lot of social economic factors that come into play and it is what it is.
You're not allowed to be angry that, you know, one of your own is killed.
You know, the black people, they got mad when George Floyd died and got murdered, right?
So we're not allowed to do the same.
When things are racially motivated, we're not allowed to be upset, but they're allowed to be upset.
We're not playing this game anymore.
It's not 2015.
We don't give a fuck.
We don't care.
And I think that's what Nick is representing here.
And Pierce comes from a conquered nation.
And his frame of reference, he can't even understand the American ethos, the American ideal of freedom, self-sufficiency, being away from the government, being the king of your own castle.
You know, an interesting thing.
They used to say an Englishman was, an Englishman's home is his castle.
And that's where, in fact, we get our castle law self-defense doctrine comes from, right?
Like if someone comes here and tries to kick in my door right now, I can shoot them.
because I'm in my home.
I'm being attacked.
There's an act of aggression and someone's trying to break in here.
I don't know what they're trying to do, but it's grave bodily harm or murder that I believe reasonably they're trying to commit.
I can kill them.
If someone breaks into Piers Morgan's house, you know what he does?
He goes to the bedroom, he takes off his pants, he takes off his underwear and he bends over because that's what you're supposed to do in Britain.
So he's coming like these Europores, these British people, and to anyone's European in the audience, like our ancestors, my ancestors come from there.
I respect you.
I'm sorry for your current situation.
But you guys, you're screwed.
And we live in different worlds.
And Piers Morgan is trying to come at this from a perspective of a place where, you know, it'd be illegal to say the things I'm saying on this broadcast, right?
So I just, I don't like, I don't like British people, really don't like British people because of our history here as a nation.
We were the first to rebel against their evil rule.
I really don't like British people telling me what to think and how to, how to live my life.
I really don't, especially after what they did to the world with the rape and colonization and what they've done to themselves and their own history after importing the same people that they screwed over.
And I mean, like, it's cause and effect, right?
But I don't like a British person.
I don't like a Europor in general telling me what to think or how to do.
I don't think Nick does either.
Shut up.
Shut up.
Go back.
Pay your immense energy bill.
Send more money to Ukraine.
And you know what?
Invite the Pakistani migrant into your home and let him rape your wife.
But when you have obviously prefaced all this by saying, I am a race accent as well, unashamedly, then people will assume that all your thought processes about all of these issues are driven by an aversion to people based on their skin color, which is the purest personification.
It's not someone being black that makes them evil or makes them dangerous.
It's the societal conditions that have been shown that this population in this specific group, especially Chicago, where he's talking about, it's not black people.
It's not the majority of black people.
It's a very small minority, 5%.
But hey, 5% is one in 20.
And if you're walking down the street in South Chicago, which you shouldn't be there to begin with, ladies and gentlemen, you should avoid that area at all costs.
It's perfectly reasonable to cross the street.
And I don't think that that's a radical opinion.
I would say that to my black co-host.
And, you know, I don't, I can't speak for Tim, but I think he could understand that perspective, right?
Like you must have a certain quotient of black people that you're friends with in order to be a good person.
I mean, if Fuentes said, hey, I don't have any Black friends.
I don't know.
But of course, he does from the area that he's from and whatnot.
And like, look, man, I got Black friends.
Everyone's got friends of different ethnicities and different groups.
And different groups have different perspectives on each other, right?
This is a boomer thing.
And, you know, we have this beautiful period during the 90s and early 2000s that I got robbed of, that I know most young people got robbed of and didn't really get to experience where we left this behind.
But what happened?
The Tea Party on the right and Occupy Wall Street on the left.
We started having collective class consciousness.
We started realizing it's not black versus white versus brown versus red.
It's the rich versus the poor.
It's the billionaire oligarch class that actually runs our country.
That's the issue.
That's the real situation.
That's a lot of what Fuentes addresses on his show.
But notice how Piers Morgan will never have that conversation.
He'll never do it.
Hey, why are conditions so bad?
Why are the people so fucked up?
Why are all the people so fucked up?
It's very simple.
It's been done by design.
They've made us fight with each other so they can rob us and rape us and steal everything we have.
And the people robbing and raping are the people with all the money and all the power.
And Piers Morgan is complicit in that.
He's complicit in the destruction of his own nation.
But because Fuentes says prejudiced things from time to time, he's the bad guy.
I mean, Piers Morgan is a villain.
This is a guy.
This is a British guy who came over here and tried very hard to take our guns for like half a decade.
This man's an anti-American terrorist, in my view.
It's not an aversion on the basis of skin color, because that would seem to suggest it's quoting like a stubborn, irrational bigotry.
I don't consider myself a bigot.
I consider myself a racial realist.
I'm realistic about how the races are, and I speak provocatively about it.
And I speak provocatively about our tribalistic instincts and tendencies as human beings.
And I'm not a liberal ideologue that says that over time and with enough education, we're all going to see this great brotherhood where blind and everybody's the same.
You know, I don't think that's ever going away.
I think that race is real.
It's not just skin deep.
It matters to us and it matters to each other.
And I'm, and black people know that, and Hispanics know that, and Asians know that.
And people like me that have partial Mexican ancestry, we know that too.
And I think on that basis, we can have mutual respect and understanding, not aversion based on skin color.
I said, and the people that the small minority of violent black people hurt the most are the other black people.
And that's represented in the statistics.
That's why the murder rate is so high.
They kill each other.
They kill each other and they kill their unborn children in the womb.
I mean, the black abortion rate in New York, more black babies are aborted in New York than are alive.
And when you think about stuff like that, you think about Piers Morgan calling someone racist and smearing their father and calling them racist and trying to hang him this way.
Piers Morgan is pro-abortion.
Piers Morgan wants black people to die in the womb, literally to not be born, but then you're not allowed to have some sort of awareness and cross the street.
Just make it make sense to me.
You know, when I was like 11, 12 years old, I was protesting outside of Planned Parenthood abortion clinics with signs showing these statistics saying save black babies.
This guy supports gun control, which puts the guns in the hands of the criminals and not the hands of the citizens.
This guy is actually pro-murder, pro-rape, pro-death, pro-terrorism, but he's able to come across as morally good because he's speaking the language of the secular religion.
We're not playing that game anymore.
We're going to fix the societal issues.
We're going to build a better society where we don't have these problems.
And we're going to get rid of ultimately the rich, white, liberal, the people like you, Piers.
And it's going to take a coalition of white people, black people, brown people, everyone coming together and realizing we've been played off this racial narrative.
We've been played our entire lives off it.
Ultimately, we have a lot more in common than we do in difference.
And it shouldn't be a crime.
It shouldn't even be controversial to realize that certain demographics, because of the systemic oppression, not done by the white people in general, the poor or the middle class, or even the upper class white people, it's done by the government just because the oppression done by the government reduces a class that used to be the most successful into the most decrepit.
We're addressing the government.
We're not addressing this false racial narrative that's been put up.
Who gave the crack to the black people?
Who gave the gangster rap to the black people?
Who gave the single motherhood free money to the black people?
Well, it was Lyndon B. Johnson.
And what did he say?
I'm going to have these N-words voting Democrat for the next 200 years.
Now, notice Piers Morgan don't care about that.
Piers Morgan don't know about that.
And if Piers Morgan does know about that, he doesn't give a shit about it.
See, the societal rape, the governmental rape, the systemic oppression, which comes from our leaders, the people in power, and we all know who they are, ladies and gentlemen, that can't be addressed.
That'll never be talked about.
That's a non-issue.
It's the individual people having interactions that we must control, we must manipulate, and you must either submit or kill, right?
You kill your oppressor or submit to your oppressor locally, but then we all worship the state.
And someone like Irina Zarutska, she sat down in front of a black man with her headphones in and wasn't paying attention because she was being a good liberal and said, I would tell Tim this.
That person should have stayed in jail and been arrested.
Well, why was he let out?
He was let out because these liberal, these liberal DAs, these Soros DAs that get funded by foreign money to be put in our nation, they have these racial biases themselves.
They let black and brown people out at a higher rate than they let white people out.
So if they're allowed to be racist, if the district attorney is allowed to be racist, then why is Nick Fuentes not allowed to be racist?
And why do you discount the fact, why do you not even mention why he was let out in the first place?
I mean, if you want to look at a dishonest actor, you need to go no further than to watch Piers Morgan uncensored.
He truly is the worst.
He's very, very good.
I wouldn't call him talented.
He's just very practiced.
And this goes to show that an untalented person like Piers or like anyone can do a show because with enough practice, with enough training, you can get pretty good at your own style.
And Piers is a slow roller.
That's what he is.
He's a slow roller.
Fuentes is a fast talker and a fast actor.
Piers is a slow roller.
And what Piers is attempting to do right now in this conversation, I said I was a fan of broadcast media.
And that's why, like, beyond even the ideas and stuff, I like to examine the personal introductions between people and see how they do shows and see how they do shows and they collaborate together.
Piers is attempting to slow Fuentes down and is attempting to not let Fuentes paint his main narrative, which is his thesis statement.
And if Piers was intellectually honest, he'd let him do that.
But by showing the 10-second clip and by railroading him and by bouncing from provocative issue to issue to issue and by like Nick Fuentes says, like, is the mic on?
Like, will you stop interrupting me?
Can I please talk?
By slow rolling him, he's attempting to prevent Nick Fuentes from getting his greater message out, which is we live in a destroyed society.
It was destroyed by design, right?
And that's the main issue.
The main issue is not the crimes between individual people.
It's the system.
It's the prison planet.
It's the prison nation that's been built around us all.
So all these things happen.
And while we blame each other, the rape of our own nations goes on.
And, you know, maybe I'm giving too much credit to Piers Morgan if I say he knows that already.
Maybe I'm being far too generous, but at the same time, I think he does know.
A small minority of this one racial group commits vastly hundreds, thousands of times more of a percentage of violent crime versus everyone else's violent minority in their own racial group.
That's the point Fuentes is making.
That's what he should have said on the broadcast.
And maybe he does say it going into the future.
This is intellectual dishonesty.
No one is saying that white people are angel cupcakes that have never committed a crime and that like that.
That's not the argument that's being made here.
The argument that's being made here is: hey, I live in America.
This is a specific issue that we have to deal with with this very violent minority of people.
But Piers Morgan, he just, he paints, he puts this false, he paints a false dichotomy.
Of course, deranged white people commit heinous acts, but you don't either know.
No disagreement.
You neither know nor care, or maybe both.
Maybe you do know and don't care.
You only seem to be focused on black people who commit crimes.
And again, if you hadn't prefaced the whole debate about racism by openly conceding you are a racist, I could read other connotations into what you've been saying.
But once you've said, okay, I'm a racist, and then you only talk about black crime, I think people can watch this and they can say, yeah, he is.
He's a racist.
And everything that he says about crime is driven through the prison of being a racist who judges people according to their skin color.
Well, it's funny because it's quite on the contrary.
And I said this in a similar monologue.
You know, the problem is not that I wake up and I walk down the street and I see someone that doesn't look like me and it makes me angry.
The problem is there's a pattern of behavior, which we've all seen.
Blacks in America have become narcissistic and they become narcissistic because they've been told they're victims of racism, they're victims of slavery.
They've been told, really, there's no accountability.
If they're rude, if they're inconsiderate, if they're criminal, they are told that they have no agency for their actions.
They're being told, if you act in this way, it's because the white man made you that way.
It's because the system's rigged against you.
And so we've been telling black people this for a generation.
And now there's no rules.
Now they go.
And what we hate to see as decent people, not even as white people, but decent people, even black people too.
What we hate to see is rudeness, obnoxiousness, inconsideration, criminality, violence.
And that's that pattern of behavior that we see all over social media.
I'm just saying your choice of black friend is Ye, who is arguably the number one black victimhood narcissist in America.
Do you understand the problem?
So he's your friend.
He's one of the very few black people you want to be associated with, but he's the epitome of what you just said you abhor about narcissistic black people.
He is a guy who, when I was with him, wanted to make sure that everybody was heard, everybody felt included.
He's actually a very soft-spoken guy, very polite.
And by the way, not violent.
When you look at all the rappers that are in the music game, many of them, especially from Chicago, drill rap, they're talking about killing people, shooting people.
They gangbang.
He notably, if you know about him, he got a start because he was a nerd.
He wore a backpack and a polo, and he wasn't a gangbanger.
He rapped about his feelings and girls and his dreams and his ambitions.
So, no, and by the way, he would tell me all the time, he doesn't even feel black.
They make him feel not black because he doesn't do those things, because he's soft-spoken, because he's artistic, because he's a bit of a nerd or likes fashion.
Well, you're anti-Semite too, Piers, because the Arabs are Semites and you love them getting murdered.
You've covered up for the bombings and the killings of the children and the mass killings at the aid sites.
You've done it all.
So to call someone an anti-Semite when you've covered up for the genocide in Gaza, I mean, Piers, you're a Nazi collaborator, essentially.
And, you know, speaking on Kanye West for a second, I thought it was brilliant the way that Kanye West wore the swastika and wore the Klanhood and came out and did all that stuff because he said, hey, I can do all of this and get criticized and called a racist and you get called a Nazi, but hey, they're killing kids.
They're killing the people in my own community, criticizing Jewish power and criticizing genocide.
But hey, if I do this artistically, then I'm evil.
And I think it was a brilliant play.
I think it was brilliant artwork from him.
And I think it's some of the highest art that we've seen in a very long time.
Now, he might have mental problems.
He might be a little nuts.
I've only met the man once and he was wearing kind of a gimp outfit.
Let's just put it that way when he came on the Alex Jones show.
And, you know, that was a very weird experience.
He was standing in the bathroom with the door open, kind of just staring out when I met him for the first time and for the only time.
But I consider that to be an art piece.
I consider that to be a cultural critique.
And ultimately, it comes back to the same thing.
You do not get to act like you are the moral arbiter of truth and you decide what's right or wrong and it's your secular religion.
It's secular humanism and this is the right way to live.
And we're all just archaic cavemen when you cover up for a genocide committed by the nation that basically controls the world.
And Piers has been pretty open about, you know, coming out and, you know, raising some eyebrows now, you know, nearly two years after October 7th, when they immediately rolled in and started the mass genocide and mass bombing and mass killing of the Palestinian people.
He's been a little critical now.
So, you know, we got to say that he's not still 100% doing it to this day.
But hey, I'm sure Nazis after World War II, I'm sure they were a little ashamed of being Nazis.
So Piers, it's just, you don't have the moral high ground.
You don't.
You don't have the moral high ground when you do whataboutisms, when people talk about Palestinian kids being killed, you go, what's about October 7th?
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Okay, back with Nick for Winters.
Let's just turn to anti-Semitism.
In your interview with Steven Crowder last week, you answered emphatically that you don't hate all Jews.
When you say you have this opposition to world Jewry, I mean, it's one thing to criticize, for example, the Israeli government over what it's been doing in Gaza.
I've done that myself.
When you talk about world Jewry, I presume you're talking about the 15 million Jews in the world, and you are opposed to them.
How does that square with your position that you don't hate any Jews?
I mean, you have to talk about, you know, there's a concept of Jewish peoplehood.
It's the sense that they are part of a common nationality, a common tribe, a common people.
And so, where they reside in Israel, the United States, or Europe, or elsewhere, they see each other above or maybe on a different level alongside their nationality, their state, wherever they reside.
If they're in Germany, France, the United States, they see themselves as part of a transnational nation, of an international nation.
The Jews in America, the Jews in Israel, they identify as Israeli or American, but they also have something in common.
They identify as part of a common nation, which I would say there's a world Jewish population.
It's world Jewry.
And world Jewry has representatives.
There is such a thing as the World Jewish Congress, where they actually elect.
It's almost like all groups of people, whether it's ethnic, religious, or both in the case of people that are Jewish, it's almost like all people get together for their own interests.
But the only people that can't do that are white people.
That is verboten and that is not allowed because Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Adolf, Adolf, Adolf, blah, And this is the point that Nick Fuentez is going to go on to make.
And I know he's going to go on to make this point.
Piers Morgan denies that we live in reality by denying that that exists.
And as Christians, especially as Catholics, we say they're remarkable.
And this has been adjudicated in Catholic doctrine for thousands of years.
We say that they're a witness people.
And so we actually, you know, there's provisions inside of Catholic doctrine that says we need to give them special protections because they were a witness to Christ's passion.
So, you know, this is why you can't clip the show.
You have to watch the whole thing.
I say this repeatedly in interviews.
I do think they're remarkable.
By definition, they're exceptional people.
It's just that there is a sort of natural opposition between them and Christians because of the theology.
We believe that Christ is a Messiah.
They don't.
They have been a minority in Christian lands for thousands of years, and they have been pushed around and expelled and they've been persecuted and segregated.
And that's why there's a lot of paranoia.
There's a lot of distrust.
There's maybe some sense of chauvinism among Jewish people.
So there is, like I said in that clip, there is an historical antagonism between these two peoples, between Christendom and Jewry.
And that has always been the case in Europe.
But I don't hate them.
And I think I actually sort of understand them in a weird way.
I think that because I've studied a lot of their politics, I think I really kind of know them in a way.
Not since Saul was leading the charge persecuting the Christians.
Not since the Roman Empire, not since the Middle Ages.
Never.
We've never been friends.
We've never been allies.
We've always been set against each other, actually.
And even here in the United States, it was communist Jews who were the architects of both communism and the civil rights laws that are dispossessing white Christians of their land and civilization.
Why do we see this relationship between Christian people and Jewish people?
Well, it's simple.
Usury in the Christian ethos is illegal.
You're not allowed to loan money with interest.
So what did these Jewish groups did when they came into a country, when they came into a land?
They were able to offer money to people and they were able to charge interest, right?
And that created a lot of negative relationships for the native populations that were there that kind of got used and taken advantage of in that process.
The reason that many people think you're anti-Semitic is that you have regularly downplayed the Holocaust, and in particular, the number of Jewish people who were murdered by the Nazis.
It's been said that you believe no more than several hundred thousand have been killed.
People talk about, well, you know, what about the gas chambers?
Well, to the extent that that's real, I find that hard to believe, but to the extent that's real, there have been atrocities committed and genocides committed in all times and all places.
Let's acknowledge why Hitler casts the long shadow, because that confers a political benefit upon Jews.
That's why.
It doesn't really sound correct to me.
Wait a second.
It takes one hour to cook a batch of cookies and you have 15 ovens, probably in four different kitchens, right?
I really think that every death is a tragedy, however many Jewish people died in the Holocaust.
And I'm not a World War II historian.
So I'm actually open to believing the official narrative.
And I've read some of the conspiracy theories.
And to tell you the truth, it's a rigorous debate.
But you know what's interesting about this is in many countries, it's not even legal to talk about it.
And that's really where my interest in the Holocaust begins and sort of ends, to tell you the truth, is that if you wanted to question the number, you would be put in jail in about, what is it, 17 or 18 European countries.
And I think that's really the more interesting conversation, which is that this is almost like a religious dogma in the West.
No other genocide, no other atrocity is treated like this.
Could you imagine if in the United States, they said the number of Palestinians killed in Gaza is 100,000.
And if you don't say that, you're going to jail.
You're banned on X. You can't have a job.
That's the part that's totally insane.
And a lot of people, they can't even make up their minds.
I think it's actually done a disservice.
If your goal, if, and I'm not saying you as Piers Morgan, but if your goal, if you're an advocate for awareness about this, if your goal is to convince everybody that this is the way the Holocaust happened, I think the last thing you'd want to do is say that everyone that disagrees is in jail and is banned and you're not allowed to say it.
So there's really been no open debate about the subject since the scholarship started to be produced about 60 years ago.
Even the Nazis, even the Nazis in the trials after the war confirmed the numbers.
The amount of documentation that was recovered, notwithstanding the attempts by the Nazis to destroy it, the amount of documentation that was saved and preserved and used for trials and for historical record is unprecedented.
So we have a very clear idea of how many people were gassed to death in the gas chambers.
We have a very clear idea of how many were starved to death, were kept in ghettos, died of disease, of forced labor, of death marches.
We know how many Jews were slaughtered.
It's at least 6 million.
And what's interesting to me is that you appear to now concede that, which may be news to a lot of your regular viewers who have constantly heard you quibble with a number of Jews who died in the Holocaust.
For the record, just to confirm what I think you...
People start to say, well, if the truth is so clear and if there's such overwhelming evidence, why do you need to throw people in jail for disagreeing?
I don't know if everything is debatable, but after you have the debate about it, if there's a concrete fact, there's a concrete fact, you're not even allowed to have this conversation.
America's the only nation really where you can have this conversation.
I don't particularly agree with Holocaust denial laws.
I don't think people should be imprisoned because I have a blanket view now, which has evolved slightly actually over the years, that I have a blanket view that speech should not be criminalized, right?
People should be allowed to say what they want to say and they should be then made.
They use the accent and they use a few special words that didn't carry over to the States too well.
They use it to paint themselves as super geniuses.
He just admitted that he used to be pro-censorship, anti-free speech.
He just admitted it right there.
And you got to hold his feet to the fire too, because if we're pulling up clips of Fuentes being racist or being mean or whatever you want to say, what about all the clips in the articles and instances of you trying to censor people and take away their rights, Piers?
Are you not a Nazi?
Are you not Babe Hitler?
I think he is Hitler.
Just because you come out now and you got a new show that gets good ratings and you call yourself uncensored, you say you're pro-freedom and pro-free speech.
I'm sorry, bud.
Your past track record has led me to believe that you are an evil scumbag.
If you have an employer, they can make a view about whether you are the right kind of person they want for their employment, as they will make a decision about anything else you do in life.
So I actually believe that speech should never be criminalized.
It's my personal view.
I understand why in places like Germany, they have strong laws about it because they.
And there'll be people watching this who I think will be very surprised by that because you have built a reputation for being, if not a Holocaust denier, then somebody constantly questioning in a downward way the number of Jews who.
Okay, so you're allowed to question in an upward way.
You're allowed to be like, oh, maybe more got killed, but then you can't say less.
You see how that's a double standard?
You see how that's intellectually dishonest?
You see how that's a falsehood on its face, folks?
Like, look, I'm just repeating myself.
I know.
I keep making this point.
He is a hypocrite.
He is a liar, and he is not to be trusted.
Piers Morgan is probably the worst person in modern media or just media in general because he presents himself to be neutral.
You know, I have an admiration for partisans.
I have an admiration for Nick for that reason.
People like Dew Dissidence for that reason, although less.
Honestly, I think Do Dissidence, that's my favorite show.
I like Fuentes, but he's probably number two.
Shout out to Keaton and Russell.
But when you pretend that you are someone that is a truth seeker, and then you're pro-censorship, you're pro-genocide, you're pro-falsehood, and you're misrepresenting all of your positions.
You say you're for free speech, then you're pro-censorship in Germany all of a sudden, and it all just gets wrapped into one big thing.
I don't know any right-minded person who believes that Jewish people weaponize the Holocaust for their own personal get out of jail free or whatever you called it.
You're a racist who thinks Hitler's cool, but you're not anti-Semitic.
If you're a Jewish person watching this, what are they thinking?
I'll tell you what they're thinking because I've got a friend of mine who, when he heard I was interviewing you, he's a Times journalist in the UK, very eminent journalist here and author, who wrote a book about his own family's experiences at the hands of Hitler and Stalin, because you also told Tucker Carlson that you admire Stalin.
As you're interviewing Nick Fuentes, you might try suggesting to read my book, Hitler, Stalin, Mom and Dad.
It's called Two Roads Home in the United States.
Since he says he's on Team Hitler, you might like to ask him about the fact that Hitler arrested my mum, tried to starve my mum to death, did starve my grandmother to death, sent my great aunt to the gas chamber, my great uncle, my cousin.
My grandmother on my father's side ended up being one out of seven children, the only one that survived the war.
So you might ask him whether he wouldn't rather be on Team Mum rather than Team Hitler.
And as for celebrating Stalin's birthday, well, Stalin took my father, sent him to a state collective farm, sent my grandmother to a state collective farm, sent my grandfather to the gulag.
You might try asking why he doesn't celebrate dad's birthday rather than Stalin's.
It may all be a big joke to him, but he complains that he was 18 when someone tried to cancel him.
Well, Stalin and Hitler arrested my mum and my dad when they were 10 years old.
Do you think if half your family, in fact, we're more anti-genocide than you?
And I repeated, I said this again.
I'm going to repeat it.
Piers Morgan's pro-genocide.
Piers Morgan covered up the killings of Palestinians for years until it became politically and beneficial in the media for him to get an audience to start raising some eyebrows specifically at the Israeli government, leaving out the fact that the vast majority of the Israeli people believe that they're Amalek and they must be biblically annihilated.
So this is the type of stuff that Piers Morgan's covered for over the years.
And Nick's not playing this game.
When you are pro-genocide, when you are pro-murder, when you are pro-war, you don't get to come tell someone with the controversial opinion that they're the Betty.
You're the Batman.
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You're the evil one who cannot be accepted into polite society.
Excuse me when I co-signed the bombing of an innocent Palestinian village.
They Hamas, Hamas, Hamas.
That's his favorite thing to say.
Like back in the real heyday, like the first year of the Gaza genocide, he would have people on who would be talking about the maimed children, the dead bodies, the Israeli IDF soldiers wearing the lingerie of the home of the women that they killed, right?
And he would make the argument. to anyone who'd come on and talk about these things.
He'd go, do you condemn Hamas?
Do you condemn Hamas?
Do you condemn Hamas over and over and over again?
And then he's kind of doing the same thing to Nick right now.
And when you're a hypocrite in one respect, you don't get to come and tell us another thing.
You don't get to go, okay, I'm pro-mass murder, mass death here, but I'm anti-it there, or I'll cover it up here and I'll raise it and make it an issue here.
And you want to talk about minimizing the Holocaust, minimizing the death numbers.
This is someone who in the modern day, in the modern context, has minimized the mass killing, the mass starvation, the execution of the Palestinians.
So it's reached another level for me where I'm watching this and I understand it's literally going to be the same thing on repeat.
But you see, from my perspective, because I'm anti-genocide, because I support the Palestinians, because I support the Ukrainian people who have been fed into the meat grinder by their own government, because I support ending these conflicts and ending these wars, I can make that position from a perspective of intellectual honesty.
Piers Morgan cannot.
Piers Morgan is a hypocrite in that respect, and that cannot be tolerated because you do not get to be the moral arbiter of truth when you are the biggest fucking liar on the planet, when you've covered up for a genocide.
Genocide, genocide, genocide, Gaza, Gaza, Gaza, dead kids, dead kids, dead kids, bomb, bomb, bomb, war, war, war, death, death, death.
That's what's going on in Piers Morgan's brain right now.
But, you know, on the outside, oh, you think Hitler's cool?
This man who murdered this, this, uh, this guy's mother, grandmother, you think he's a cool guy.
Well, Piers, apparently you think that the Israeli government is pretty cool and they kill innocent women and children and people's grandparents all the time.
We're laughing at it because it's hypocrisy, because you can't criticize something or someone for something that you're guilty of.
And you're guilty and you're complicit in genocide.
Like Nick Fuentes didn't have the SS uniform on and wasn't putting people on the trains or putting people in camps.
You were acting as a Hasbara agent covering up the Palestinian genocide.
Like he should have a little blue and white armband for the services that he provided to the state of Israel covering up the genocide of the Palestinians.
But notice how he presents himself as the arbiter of truth.
I mean, I just look, I'm anti-Hitler.
I think Hitler's evil.
I'm anti-Stalin.
I think Stalin's evil.
I think Nick's positions on those things, I call them into question.
I don't like some of that stuff.
I don't like a lot of that stuff.
I don't like most of that stuff.
But I can understand the perspective of kind of like Kanye West wearing the swastika or putting on the Klanhood.
This is the thing that you cannot do.
This is the thing you cannot say.
This is the thing you cannot be a part of.
But when it comes to war, when it comes to genocide, when it comes to the poison shot, you can be pro all of that active in that in the modern day, in the here and now happening now, things that could actually have been stopped or been prevented if he was actually brave and called them out from day one.
He's been complicit.
He needs a blue and white armband and he needs a yarmulke on his head.
Bues, someone like Danny Finkelstein, who's written incredibly powerful books about what happened to his extended family at the hands of the Nazis and your other hero, Stalin.
Yeah, and a phenomenal point being made by Stephen B79 in the comments on X on the chat on X. Meanwhile, men being kidnapped sent to front lines of a war.
Yeah, last show, I wanted to get to it.
I didn't get to it.
I literally, I had a dozen, maybe 15 clips, individual different clips of the Ukrainian Stasi of the Ukrainian Nazis picking young men off the street, grabbing them, throwing them in vans, attacking them with dogs, beating them with objects, punching them in the liver, the kidney, making them drop, and then throwing them in the van.
Then they get to the front line, they give them a gun, they run out there, get blown up by an FPV drone.
And hey, it's cool because there's one less FPV drone.
Piers Morgan, as far as I understand, is very pro-Ukraine.
Very, very pro-Ukraine.
So you're complicit in not just one modern genocide, but two modern genocides.
But as long as you get Curry, as long as he can get his bowl of curry, it's all right.
The hypocrisy will not stand.
We're not taking it anymore.
And that's why Nick's like, yeah, I am what you're calling me.
To you, Nick Fuentes, is that in parts of this interview, you try to come across as moderate, but every now and again, the mass slips and it slipped again here with what you say about Hitler.
There's nothing very fucking cool about Hitler.
We know that from history now.
We know what he did.
You've already conceded that he murdered at least six million Jews.
So when you say he's very fucking cool, Jewish people watch this and go, this guy's disgusting.
Why would he say this about someone who perpetrated such an evil?
It's fine because millions of people have been murdered in the modern day, especially over the past decade.
And people like you cover up for it when you look at a historical event 80 or 100 years ago, and that's the thing that cannot be discussed.
And if you even hold a position that's contrary to the secular religion, the secular truth, they'll throw you in jail in several countries.
That's why.
You see, Piers, it's a radical act of freedom and self-expression, which is not illegal in the tyranny that you live under and are proud to live under in the UK and just in Europe in general.
That's the position.
And the position is, if you feel this way, if you're pro-gen, if you're pro-rape of your own nation, hey, maybe I like this guy.
Maybe this guy's bad.
Maybe this guy's evil, whatever.
I would call him bad and evil.
Nick Fuentes, I don't think would, but that's a completely different debate.
And maybe me and him will have that debate one day.
But at the end of the day, this is set up from a false dichotomy.
It's a false narrative of I'm a good person.
I'm a moral good person.
I don't like bad people.
You like bad people.
You like Hitler.
You're evil.
You're bad.
When in fact, no one loves more bad people than Piers Morgan.
And the bad people that Piers Morgan loves, serves, and obeys are still alive and still active and are committing genocides and mass atrocities to this day.
So on just multiple levels on its face, this man is a hypocrite.
And that's what I've taken away from this interview.
And to dismiss the very powerful 90 seconds from a British journalist who lost a lot of family members to the Nazis in such a callous, dismissive manner.
We have been browbeaten as a people, as Americans, as Westerners, for our entire lives.
And do you know what this has done?
It has taken away any sense of pride, any sense of love for our own civilization.
We have been made the villain in our own story.
We have been made because, but let's just be clear.
It doesn't begin and end with Hitler is a monster.
This has been the political narrative, which is why we have thrown open the borders.
This is a political narrative, which is why we're not, we can't be a conservative society as a whole anymore.
Why we can't be proud of Europeans, why we can't be proud of being Christian, because they've told us if you're too white and too proud and too Christian, it's going to lead to a holocaust.
And so my generation, our entire lives, and that's what that's why people like me.
But he was saying the same thing when he was making nothing.
And that's the key.
And here's the thing.
You can disagree with Fuentes.
I disagree with Fuentes on a lot.
The reason why I tune in and watch his show frequently is because I know that these are his honest opinions.
And this is what he actually believes, right?
Because he said it to his own detriment.
Everything Piers Morgan has ever said or has ever broadcasted, whether that's trying to take our guns here in America, whether that's being pro-genocide and covering up for the Israeli slaughter of Palestinian children and women and non-combatants, whether that's the pro-Ukraine garbage that I just, I'm making an assumption, but I'm sure he spouts it.
He's the type.
He loves it.
He probably loves little Zelensky.
They probably get together and rub their little bellies together and stuff like that.
Just a little assumption there.
But Piers, you are the dishonest actor here.
Like him or not, hate him or not, disagree with him or not, Nick Fuentez has been saying the same thing for a decade.
You've been saying the same things for much longer, but it's very clear why you say them.
His motivation is that they want to make it illegal to say stuff like this.
And if you don't exercise your right to say stuff like this, you lose your right to it, as we've seen in the EU, as we've seen in Britain.
And, you know, Piers, he conceded the point and he clutched his pearls kind of to signal that he's the uncensored guy, that he's anti-censorship and all that.
He says, I think it's horrible what's going on in the UK.
I don't agree with it at all.
I think it's atricious and abominable that people are being frog marched to prison cells because of things that they've said.
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This, you know, you're talking about empathy, and your kids are empathetic, and they would never laugh at a joke about the Holocaust, and you're a misogynist.
I think when a 27-year-old guy who's never got laid, never had a meaningful relationship with a woman, says that women shouldn't be allowed to vote, they should stay at home, that all they do is fantasize about being raped and being beaten up.
That's what they want.
That they're annoying, that they get fat, that they get ugly.
Deep-rooted misogyny of some of the actual boomers I know.
Yeah, here you are, 27 years old.
And most of the current studies show that a lot of men are really disenfranchised from society, no longer have physical relationships with women, if they've ever had them, never associate with women and build up instinctively misogynist views about women.
And I fear you're in that position.
You're just a bit of a lonely guy who wants to get laid and can't for whatever reason.
And it's made you bitter about women.
And I don't know where that's where that's come from, but it's fascinating.
You know, if Piers Morgan let Nick Fuentes talk as much as he lets other men sleep with his wife, we'd have a lot more of an entertaining show to watch.
As I said to you, look, Nick, as I said to you, I just wanted to go over the stuff that you know everyone uses out there about you and get you to respond.
And we're getting, we are getting, I think, a lot of way in this interview.
I've commentated a lot over the course of this broadcast.
I know people are joining now and we still have a lot more to go and we're going to do a call-in show after this for at least, you know, 30, 45 minutes.
I'm going to have to be rapid fire about calls.
I don't want to be late or live too late tonight.
But overall, Piers Morgan has represented himself as a hypocrite.
Piers Morgan is someone who supports war crimes, who supports genocide, who supports the vaccine, who supports abortion.
But he comes at Nick when he, in fact, is a killer in what he supports and the ideology that he backs.
And Nick is someone who holds controversial positions and says controversial things and hey, has called himself a racist here on the show.
But what's being, what's worse?
Is it worse to be racist and cross the street if you see a black person?
Or is it worse to the killing of hundreds of thousands of people in Gaza?
Is it worse to co-sign the war in Ukraine?
Is it worse to co-sign the vaccine?
Is it worse to co-sign censorship?
All these things.
That's my argument.
Piers Morgan is just a giant hypocrite.
And it's like Nick Fuentes is saying so well here.
He relies on the label.
Because if Piers Morgan didn't have the label, if he had to go through and discuss these ideas without the label, without the Zoomed in study, he wouldn't be able to do it because he actually doesn't have a worldview.
His worldview is based on what is societally permissible.
He follows the letter of the law instead of the letter of the human heart.
Nick Fuentes, as flawed as he is, it's his own views.
And let's get back into the call-in portion of the show.
I'm going to go ahead and launch that right now.
So just give me a little second.
I'm about to post the number.
I'll post it in the X comments.
Also, cut to a little cutaway where you can call in.
Now, keep in mind, a maximum of three people can be on the line at the same time.
And probably going to do about four or five, maybe six calls tonight.
I'm going to try to keep them at 10 minutes each.
Okay.
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And, you know, it's like, hey, you know, nobody takes advantage of the Holocaust for emotional manipulation.
30 seconds later, plays a video insert some weird retard guy from England who wants to tell us about how his entire family was slaughtered in every way imaginable by every oppressive regime in World War II.
Like, bro.
Right.
You guys are the same people who tell us not to worry about the election in 2020 because it's been too long.
Yeah, it's like I have no interest in what is these Jews.
I don't have any interest in what these Jews have to say because they know what they're doing.
I mean, he did a really good job of baiting out the boomer.
And, you know, that's what I like to see.
I like to see these boomers held to account because they act like they are morally superior when they're the people that destroyed the entire planet.
And now we all have to swim through their wake and the mass migration that they allowed and the degradation of rights that they allowed and the fall of the West that they allowed.
It's all their fault, but we get told, oh, no, we're bad because we're angry about things.
And that to me is the story of the interview, right?
Like Nick is an angry young man, and rightfully so.
Our country's been destroyed.
Our country's been taken over, right?
And we're prioritizing foreigners over our own native people.
I think this is a very clear statement to make.
I think that's the damn truth.
And I don't think that that can be ignored, especially under the Biden administration with the 10, 20 plus million people that came over here.
I think Nick's right to be upset.
And, you know, Piers Morgan should be angry too about his country, but he likes it.
And you know, he says, as long as he gets Curry, it's okay.
People with a low IQ don't understand what he's actually saying.
And so they slap him with a label also because it fits their agenda.
But I literally think Pierce Morgan probably has an IQ of around 90 and it shows.
And if you can't understand sarcasm, like how do you, how are you supposed to be a professional podcaster with hundreds of millions of dollars worth of value into your show if you do not understand basic human communication?
At the end of the day, we know, like, you're, you're operating in bad faith.
And if you're, if you do that, well, you know, it is what it is.
You know, and it's like, you know, that report that came out on Nick's engagement, they're like, well, you know what, his account, they're all bought from India and India and Russia and Nigeria.
It's like, bro, do you think there are computers in Nigeria like that enough to run a million plus bot farm accounts?
It's like, and they said they're like, oh, hey, you know, these accounts are fake because they don't have real names.
We don't have email addresses or anything to find anybody.
It's like, yeah, because you people will literally dox us, call our places of employment, get us fired, and try to ruin our lives because that's like it's a war.
It's the same people doing the same crap every single time.
And it's just to the point now to where things have broken, like containment is broken.
You cannot put the genie back in the bottle.
Things will never go back to the way they were.
Americans will not say they love Jesus and fly the Israel flag around anymore.
It's over.
The party's done.
And they just, like, they can't come to terms with that.
And that's why I think it's really dangerous because now they realize, I think they're realizing that these institutional attacks on him aren't working.
I'm afraid they're going to try to do something physical.
He does make good money now, even if it is Bitcoin, even if it is hard for him to get access to.
He needs to have a good security team.
He needs to, you know, honestly, like if you still live in near or close to family, I would probably separate or try to go somewhere safer, low crime impact area where you could really build that bunker around yourself.
Because if you are the figurehead for this new movement of people just saying, yeah, we're done with your hypocrisy, they will try to kill you, right?
So, you know, we see it.
We see the persecution he's already undergone, but it's like you say, he's broken containment and the genie's out of the bottle.
Just in closing here, give him a letter grade and then give him a score out of 10.
How do you think he did?
And where, do you want to see more of this?
Do you want to see him go on with another kind of host like this?
Would you like to see him maybe go toe-to-toe with like a Megan Kelly, maybe go toe-to-toe with like a Hannah Hannity, someone, someone like that?
I think that, with all things considered, I mean, at first, he got a little thrown off about, you know, his dad being doxed because, you know, Piers Morgan tried to literally said his dad's full name and said he was a racist.
It definitely did probably throw him off a little bit at the beginning.
Like, you would throw anybody off, right?
And like, that just goes to show how vicious of a person Piers Morgan really is.
And he wants to act like he's neutral, like he's this moderate guy.
Like, hey, like, maybe I'm on your side.
Maybe I'm not, man.
He's a vicious demon and he supports war crimes.
And that's what I want to keep saying.
And, you know, I think it's key that we keep talking about Gaza in context because all these people supported the bombing and the mass death and the mass killing of hundreds of thousands of people.
And then they want to come on a show.
They want to call it uncensored when they tried to stop people talking about it.
And then they want to, they want to henpack and pearl clutch over really minutia, microscopic sins or offenses compared to what they're guilty of.
And it's, and it's like all these people were, you know, these words, like, I've heard one person say, like, people say, oh, like I said, talking to somebody a while ago, I was like, oh, that's retarded.
And they like went, they're like, that's, that's bad.
And, you know, it's the, the question is not, you know, if or, you know, when things are out, things are out now.
So it's, it's now the question is, is, did it get out in time for us to fix things before, you know, everything falls apart and we live in, you know, a big job smallia.
Well, we did it as a way to bring attention to the fact that we have all of these foreigners and the Russian government, the official Chinese government.
Mao said political power goes out of the barrel of a gun.
He killed about 80 million people because he's the only guy that had the guns.
So we did it to point out that this is globalism.
And the mega banks that control the planet and brag that they've taken over in Bloomberg, A.P. Reuters, you name it, brag that they're going to get our guns as well.
They've taken everybody's guns but the Swiss and the American people.
And when they get our guns, they can have their world tyranny.
While the government buys 1.6 billion bullets, armored vehicles, tanks, helicopters, predator drones, armed, now in U.S. skies, being used to arrest people in North Dakota.
The Second Amendment isn't there for duck hunting.
It's there to protect us from tyrannical government and street thugs.
Take the women in India.
Your piece earlier on CNN I was watching during Anderson Cooper's show didn't tell you that the women of India have signed giant petitions to get firearms because the police can't and won't protect them.
The answer is, hey, wait a minute.
I have FBI crime statistics that come out a year late, 2011.
20 plus percent crime drop in the last nine years.
Real violent crime because more guns means less crime.
Britain took the guns 15, 16 years ago, tripling of your overall violent crime.
True, we have a higher gun violence level, but overall mugging, stabbings, deaths, those men raped that woman in India to death with an iron rod four feet long.
You can't ban the iron rods.
The guns, the iron rods, Pierce, didn't do it.
The tyrants did it.
Hitler took the guns.
Stalin took the guns.
Mao took the guns.
Fidel Castro took the guns.
Hugo Chavez took the guns.
And I'm here to tell you: 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms.
Doesn't matter how many lemmings you get out there on the street begging for them to have their guns taken.
We will not relinquish them.
Do you understand?
That's why you're going to fail.
And the establishment knows no matter how much propaganda, the republic will rise again when you attempt to take our guns.
My family in the Texas Revolution against Santa Ana, my family was at the core on both sides starting that because Santa Ana came to take the guns at Gonzalez, Texas.