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Dec. 3, 2025 - Gray Area - Rex Jones & Tim Tompkins
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rex jones
Can you believe it?
I mean, we've been sitting in this, been pontificating over that I bought at the Home Decor, like 24, 26, not the taped ones.
How do you feel about it?
How do you feel about the show?
tim tompkins
I feel like we've made great progress.
rex jones
I 100%.
tim tompkins
I love our people that watch.
I love the support.
I just, it makes, it motivates me, you know, doesn't it just motivate you?
rex jones
Yeah, you know, I, for years, I looked at the news kind of in a doomer way where I like, I had thoughts and opinions on it.
This is, of course, after I stepped away from Infowars, but, you know, having an opportunity to really flesh these ideas out, you know, get to bounce things back and forth between each other, various topics, culture, politics, you name it.
You know, it feels good to be politically aware, but we were just talking about you potentially getting a dog in the future.
tim tompkins
Yes.
rex jones
Now, what are your, what are your thoughts on the canine?
Rupert.
tim tompkins
I don't, I don't hate dogs.
Here's the thing, guys.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
If your dog stinks, that's the only time that I have problems.
rex jones
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Rupert's a good smelling dog.
Right.
I think you do a phenomenal job with the size that he is.
It's when the dog smells and people don't wash their dog and you get that like dog smell that I don't like it.
I just don't think I could handle one just at this moment.
Like I need a house.
I need like a yard for it to play in.
I need like to like settle down to where like I'm not doing a bunch of entrepreneur stuff where I'm having to travel all the time.
Like I'm going to Germany this weekend.
Like just, you know, a dog gets depressed.
rex jones
No, it's understandable.
We got to get you a French bulldog.
tim tompkins
Frenchie would be good.
rex jones
I had French Bulldogs growing up.
All throughout my childhood, we had French Bulldogs.
They are the most phenomenal animals.
And, you know, I just, we love Rupert.
He's so phenomenal, how he bursts into the studio and sometimes almost ruins streams and whatnot.
We got to get you a dog too.
Double trouble.
tim tompkins
Oh, yeah.
I've got two cats.
You know, everyone has mixed bag on them, but they're easy.
They're easy going.
rex jones
Yeah.
I like cats.
You know, cats are cool.
But, you know, sometimes your dog can rage bait you.
Which is kind of our intro topic.
tim tompkins
That is our today.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Did you guys know, guess what?
The word that Oxford had, the dictionary, what was the word of the year?
That word was ragebait, guys.
Can't make this stuff up.
rex jones
Well, it seems about accurate.
tim tompkins
It's very accurate.
Let's read a little bit of this because this is very interesting.
rex jones
The Oxford University Press promises it's not rage baiting with its two-word word of the year.
The publishing house announced on December 1st that its experts had named RageBait as the 2025 word of the year.
The phrase is shorthand for online content that is intentionally meant to elicit anger.
The term has tripled in usage over the last year, according to Oxford.
The fact that the word rage bait exists and has seen such a dramatic surge in usage means that we're increasingly aware of the manipulation tactics we can be drawn into online.
And you know, that is a good thing, right?
That is a good thing.
And you're talking about this in relation to several stories because, you know, me, I'm someone that's always kind of autistically been online, surfed the internet, surfed the news, you name it.
But you've been on Twitter.
You've been growing your platform.
You've been doing the show and you keep noticing these reoccurring themes, right?
These things kind of meant to target people.
And we even see it in the breaking news stories almost as if they're designed in some way.
tim tompkins
Design, man.
Here's the thing, guys.
Me being from a very technical background, I'm like guilty until proven innocent.
Like it's all about data for me.
It's all about facts.
So like normally, like I read something on a headline, I don't go and take that headline and then I just go like tell a friend.
I'll typically like fact check it like in real time.
Like that's like, especially on the big stuff.
And you guys have maybe seen some of my threads recently where I just, I want to, I want to spread a little bit of the love of the information as I see the things on.
And I'm like, okay, is this realistic?
Could this really work?
rex jones
And you know, this is the thing that I really like about you, Tim.
This is the thing I like about you as a person.
One of the things, of course, I like about you as a person is like when I come to you or we have some sort of argument or disagreement and I have some sort of passionate opinion and I've based it off past information or an opinion just that I have in general.
I'll come to you with that topic and then you'll be like, no, actually, I believe XYZ.
And usually when you come to people with a belief or a topic that you have or an opinion that you have, they'll just kind of respond to you in the same way.
Whereas you, it literally is all information, factual science, literature-based.
We're like, you know, I have this study.
I have this graph.
And that's why the deep dives we do on Sunday are so valuable.
We're doing a little mini one here, but just get into why you research like this and what you've seen online.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
I mean, the primary reason why I research like this is because the same, like before we started the show, the whole concept of the gray area, that's something that like in the past five years, I've really embodied in myself after like COVID and a lot of the misinformation that came out there.
I look everyone's susceptible to the same things.
I'm not perfect.
I definitely fall prey to some of these things at the same time.
I've even had YouTube videos that like do an excellent breakdown of something.
And then now I've been plugging in the transcripts and like actually researching them and like 80% of the video is wrong.
rex jones
And you're talking about even doing the research with the AI, like the AI is trying to politically influence you.
Yeah.
tim tompkins
I'm looking up like, what is Mexico a third world country?
It's like, we don't use that term anymore.
And I'm like, just give me the answer.
Is it second world, third world?
Like, you know what I mean.
rex jones
Tim was trying to do research, but in the process, realized that he was racist because the computer wouldn't give me the facts, right?
tim tompkins
And here's the thing.
Facts are facts.
And I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong about something if somebody just brings me the data to support the argument.
And the thing is, is like, I'm not one of those like people that like will die on a specific hill.
Like there's some black people that will be like, black people could do no wrong, no matter what it is.
I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
Yeah.
rex jones
We love Dr. Uma.
tim tompkins
30% of crime committed is minority based.
And, you know, even though I said it's, you know, 95% of the black people aren't committing, it's that 5% making up 30% of the market space for that.
That's a lot.
There's no, there's like truths to certain things.
So like rather than just me being like, well, no, it's, it's all fake.
I'm like, okay, let me bring in the crayara, right?
rex jones
Like the show, like we talk about, for example.
And like you can look at statistics as we're going to do today for the show.
We've got, you know, we'll get into this right now just to breach all the topics we're going to cover tonight.
Tim has a very interesting discussion on demographics and birth rate and population wealth that we're going to get into.
tim tompkins
And I will, I will highlight what it really is about.
Look, word of the year rage bait, what has prompted me to do this like mini deep dive?
And it's not like it was Elon Musk tweet, but then I also just in right now, people are using the anger that a lot of these like, you know, I'm going to say, not gonna sugar, like a lot of white people are angry right now.
unidentified
That's very true.
tim tompkins
And I can't.
rex jones
I'm very angry.
tim tompkins
And I can, and I can see why and all the madness that happened with Biden and stuff.
But what I'm seeing specific accounts do is they take some information and they don't give you the correlation of what's really causing it.
They just give you it as a blanket statement and it just adds fuel to the fire of like anger.
And then people are just like kitchen sinking and adding in their own inference on like what's leading to like the white man's being evaporated from real time.
And I'm like, okay, I see where the anger is coming from, but let me look at this objectively and find out why do people feel like the white man is disappearing.
Is it immigration?
Is it birth rate?
What is the true cause?
And that's what I just wanted to do was just highlight the information.
It doesn't mean I'm like sitting here being like, right, well, white people.
Yeah, go ahead.
rex jones
We're going to get into numbers here.
And really like me and Tim, we were kind of having a little back and forth before the show about this topic.
And I was like, are you sure you don't want to do a deep dive on this?
I have some points of contention.
And he's like, look, this is the point I'm trying to make.
And then he showed me the graphs relating to fertility and income.
And as people get much richer, as societies get much richer, like on a whole at large, this is just kind of what happens.
tim tompkins
This is what happened.
rex jones
And we're not using that to excuse the insane illegal immigration, the entry of 20, 30 million people into the country.
We're not talking about that as having no demographic influence or not being a part of the equation.
What we're talking about seems to be really a class law, which seems to happen.
And we see this with the Uber rich.
We see this with the billionaires and the Uber billionaires, all the people that say, hey, we got too many people.
Well, like once you reach the level of having everything, you're like, well, you know, I only want this for myself and the limited amount of people that I'm descended are descended from me that can sustain this, right?
tim tompkins
Yeah.
And here's the thing.
When I do stuff like this, my ultimate goal is to not like rage bait people into like being like, oh, he hates this or he hates that.
It's to push my agenda of, look, data driven.
A data-driven analysis on what's really happening.
And if you start sifting through the bullshit, you start finding the truth and then you can go fix the problems at their core issue.
Like as long as you can sit there and say, well, this is the issue and do all this rage baiting, you're not actually solving the core problems because people aren't aware.
You can't solve an equation if you don't know what the variables to that equation are.
rex jones
And I'm going to put on the leftist hat, the hat that Tucker Carlson recently has put on, kind of referring to the whole situation of being like, hey, I want to burn down your strip mall, right?
Like in my city, like, why is my city full of like karate studios and like nail salons?
Like, like, why is this a thing?
Of course, this is a hypothetical scenario, not endorsing any violence or anything, talking about what Tucker Carlson has covered himself.
But I'm going to put on my leftist hat from the same perspective.
It is an issue in this country, not necessarily the demographics per se, but the fact that people, both left and right, have been made to fight each other on the basis of race while completely ignoring every other societal problem.
unidentified
Thank you.
rex jones
And we have other topics we're going to get into today.
Tim's got another topic in relation to rage bait, kind of like this whole topic being rage bait relating to the shooting of the DC National Guard.
And oh, you know, the guy who did it, the Afghani, oh, we have to ban the third world, all that.
We hate them.
Oh, he's a CIA puppet.
He's a CIA agent.
You know, he worked for them over there and he's a broken toy, essentially.
So we're going to get into that.
And then we're also going to get into the ongoing war crimes taking place in Venezuela.
And my point saying all this is our dollar is worth nothing.
Food is crazy expensive.
The energy is not, in fact, cheaper.
At most, it stayed the same.
The issues that actually matter to Americans on the ground, they're all getting worse, but people don't care as long as they can fight on the basis of identity.
And at least with the right wing, at least with the Republicans, you can say, look, if you ask your average Republican, they're going to say, yes, I'm a capitalist.
Yes, free market.
Yes, no limits.
Well, we're living kind of in the end result of that type of, you know, political environment, right?
But then you go to the left, the people that claim to be, you know, socialist or democratic socialist or even communist, those people have betrayed that identity a million times more than the conservatives, no matter how bad or evil they may be with their pure for-profit industry.
They betrayed their ethos because these are supposed to be the people that are class warriors, right?
These are the people that fight for the proletariat, that fight for the poor.
But in fact, they're the biggest purveyors of the identity politics that we see.
So as we get into the numbers and as we get into these stories tonight, I just want to keep in mind that it's not about black, white, yellow, brown, red.
It's not about any of that.
It's about how they're siphoning out the wealth and power and control from everyone.
And of course, a big part of that is you have a native population.
They're used to rights.
They're used to a system.
You import people that aren't used to that system and then you can kind of take more away from them.
But Tim, take it away.
tim tompkins
Yeah, let's actually just start with this ABC about Trump and what he's doing.
So if everybody who's been paying attention, they know that there was these two National Guard members, you know, formerly, they were basically murdered in cold blood.
Let's click this video.
They have new updates on this guy.
Okay.
And let's just play this real quick.
unidentified
We're learning the potentially new information about the suspect in the shooting of two National Guard members in the nation's capital.
The Secretary of Homeland Security says he was radicalized after arriving in the U.S. from Afghanistan.
20-year-old Sarah Beckstrom died on Thanksgiving Day.
Here's ABC's Mola Langi.
Tonight, new clues as to what may have driven 29-year-old Afghan national Ramanullah Lockenwal to allegedly shoot two West Virginia National Guardsmen just two blocks from the White House.
20-year-old specialist Sarah Beckstrom dying of her injuries on Thanksgiving Day.
Staff Sergeant Andrew Wolfe now fighting for his life.
Secretary of Homeland Security Christy Noam saying Lockenwall could have been radicalized here in the U.S.
rex jones
We continue to talk to his family and his works for the CIA in Afghanistan.
And then he, oh, oh, he's radicalized here.
You see, you see, it's never the government's fault, right?
All these horrible things that happened with these crazy, drugged up, wind-up toy people, like the Ukrainian guy who was trying to recruit Afghani soldiers that tried to kill Trump on the golf course.
Like all these people, oh, they work for the CIA.
They work for the government.
Like, that's just my observation.
unidentified
His contacts.
More details will be revealed and we'll release those when it's appropriate.
Authorities still investigating, but so far have not released any evidence pointing to Lockenwall having ties to a terrorist organization.
The husband and father of five entered the U.S. in 2021 and was granted asylum in April.
A source tells ABC News Lockenwall was unable to work in his adopted home of Washington state work permit and to the Associated Press years with his new life in the, well, his mental health reportedly deteriorated.
The shooting leading the Trump administration to pause all asylum decisions and at least for now, stopping the granting of visas to Afghan nationals.
chris van hollen
It is outrageous and unfair to try to punish an entire class of people.
These are individuals who worked side by side with America in the fight against the Taliban.
tim tompkins
Let's pause this.
rex jones
I know you got a bunch of points.
No, no, no.
tim tompkins
Let's go ahead.
rex jones
I know you're going to go off here.
So these people during our 20-year occupation of Afghanistan that he's talking about, these are people that translated for us.
These are people that helped us avoid IEDs.
These are people that worked for the United States government, just like this guy.
That's how we got over here.
The CIA branch of the United States government.
So in the cruelty.
EU immigration stance, pretty different.
But I think it's cruel, inhumane, and just down.
And it shows just how little we care as a country that we take assets, like these people that helped us.
And we go, no, we're going to send you back to Afghanistan.
We're just going to send you back.
And I just want to find it.
And I was going to pause it on this and then I decided to not do it, but I'm going to go ahead and find it here.
chris van hollen
What is that?
rex jones
I'm looking for his face, man.
tim tompkins
Go back.
rex jones
Yeah, it's a little further back.
chris van hollen
Yep.
tim tompkins
There it is.
unidentified
I just missed it.
There.
Yeah.
rex jones
This is what Trump wants.
This is all organic.
This just happened.
You know, this guy randomly decides to kill two National Guard.
Now Trump has an excuse to get all the third worlders out of the country, right?
It's just, this is what he wants, right?
Look at this guy right here.
This is the image you show to the base of the brown man, the evil brown man.
He is an evil man, but not necessarily or because he's brown, just because he's evil and he killed these people.
And we trained this guy and basically taught him how to do this stuff overseas.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
And you know, it's weird because you're, you're, you're hitting on this point.
And I was literally researching the last two days on like what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan, all the things.
And I'm going to do like a mega deep dive on that too, guys, where the United States did a lot of messed up stuff.
You know, just like, okay, just very briefly, not to get into the weeds, it is very well-known fact now, like you had mentioned before, there were no weapons of mass destruction.
There's a man who essentially was like a war hawk, basically convinced Bush to go and invade Iraq, which, by the way, Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with Iraq at the time.
Like they're too different.
And Saddam Hussein is like the leader.
Yeah, go ahead.
rex jones
Getting into this, I know you're breaking it down.
We have disliked Iran for quite a long time.
All right.
And Iraq fought a war against Iran.
And where did they get the weapons?
Oh, we gave them the weapons.
And then where did the claim of them having weapons come from?
Oh, it's because we gave them weapons.
Like it's a circular thing.
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Go ahead.
And the point I'm making here is like, okay, we really wanted the oil in Iraq.
And Saddam Hussein, by the way, bad guy, committed mass just disavow.
He's not, he's not a good guy.
But I'm just saying, concerning 9-11, like they had nothing to do with it, but it presented America the perfect opportunity to go get some oil.
And we pulled trigger on that.
And ultimately, we disassembled the entire Iraqi military.
And we ended up pushing people in the military that were working for Iraq's military to go now that they weren't making any income.
We didn't subsidize any of it.
They went and joined and created what we now know as ISIS.
rex jones
It's good.
tim tompkins
So it's just like you're talking about.
We go and create these problems.
unidentified
Yes.
tim tompkins
From just doing some whack stuff.
rex jones
People forget about it.
You know, Trump is now a part of the political machine and he wouldn't say something like this today, I believe, definitely wouldn't during the 2015, 2016 campaign.
You know what?
He said he said Hillary Clinton created ISIS.
And, you know, like that's partially true.
Maybe it's not 100% true or the context is a little different, but yes, she was a part because she was the secretary of state that helped destabilize that region and helped make that happen, right?
tim tompkins
Yes.
rex jones
So Trump would never say such a thing now because he's engaged in a lot of the same type of operations.
tim tompkins
Now, here's the thing: we're saying all this not to necessarily defend like Islam all of a sudden because people're plants.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
They're being paid to say all this.
rex jones
It's called an opinion.
It's called something that you think of in here and then you voice.
It doesn't come from Gunther Eagleman.
It doesn't come from Hassan Piker.
It doesn't come from, you know, an Andrew Tate.
It comes from your head and we're broadcasting it.
And that's why the show's good.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
That's why the show's good.
tim tompkins
Where what we're trying to do here is separate the person from the just monsooning of lumping everybody else into the equation.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
Because that's actually where it goes wrong.
Because I made this point on InfoWars.
I was like, well, you know, a majority of white people I know and across the board, like I'd say like close to like probably 95 plus percent of white people aren't racist.
But we take the one or two guys that are racist and then we say, look at this man.
This is what the white people believe.
And that pisses a lot of people off and actually what makes them actually start hating people because they're like, that's that cycle.
So we're trying to eliminate cycles by bringing awareness to these situations to where, like Rex is saying, we had something to do with this at the end of the day.
rex jones
We had everything to do with it in my opinion.
And look, I'm not making that definitive statement about this event as saying, yes, this is something we rationally carried out.
I don't have any proof of that.
That's speculation.
I'm just saying it's suspicious.
But what I am saying is cause and effect.
This guy works for us in Afghanistan.
CIA probably has him do all kinds of horrible stuff.
We bring him over here.
And then, of course, this happens.
But of course, it happens on Thanksgiving Day.
Of course, a woman, a sympathetic figure is killed.
And of course, now he has carte blanche to do what he wants about the third world immigration.
And I don't want immigration from the third world.
I think we agree on this.
I think we talked about that.
tim tompkins
Yeah, I was like, okay, the madness that Biden did.
Right.
Unacceptable.
Too many people not checking who's coming in, all that stuff.
I was like, I'm not for like banning asylum completely, but like you, you don't just, you got to turn the faucet down a little bit to where you can actually manage and sift out the people who are actually supposed to be here for like good reasons, not some guy who may have like gone off the rails.
But there's very tough to actually figure out who that is sometimes, who's going to be the crazy one or something like that.
rex jones
And this is what we talk about a lot on the gray area about the failures of the United States government stacking up over time and how it isn't necessarily limited to one administration, right?
We talk about inflation.
We talk about monetary policy, geopolitics, war.
It's all a cascade effect.
And how the CIA actually works, and it's really how our government works is, you know, the president will issue a national security directive to the CIA.
And the president could do this 10, 20, 30 years ago.
And they're still working that old order.
That's how all these things happen.
So our government throughout these different administrations, I mean, Putin, he's been in power 25 years.
Putin knows his government, but every four to eight years, a new bozo comes in and a new administration comes in.
And I think it is proof that there's divided factions in there and it isn't just one total board that runs everything.
You'll see the libs get in, they do lib shit.
Conservatives get in, they do conservative shit, but it's all bent towards the same angle as serving the special interests, whoever they were that put them in power.
tim tompkins
100%.
rex jones
Right.
So what's your take?
tim tompkins
I want to show like the aftermath of this.
So on that next slide here, this is a thread that I did.
And we can read the post as a result here.
So now he didn't explicitly say that this is the reason, but everybody knows this is the reason that he came out a day or two later.
He's like, even as we progress technologically, immigration policy has eroded those gains, living, and conditions for many.
I permanently pause.
That's an oxymoron, by the way.
You can't.
Yeah, you can't permanently and then also pause.
Yeah.
So, yeah, migration from all third world countries to allow the U.S. system to fully recover.
Now, I'm not completely against pausing to allow yourself to like recalibrate.
rex jones
Well, I hear what you're saying.
tim tompkins
But it's like you got to pick and choose where it makes sense.
All third world countries doesn't make quite sense to me quite yet of like, well, you know, somebody from this third world country in Africa had nothing to do with it.
rex jones
If you'll remember, I believe it was 2018, Trump's famous Muslim ban, right?
I think it was like 30 countries, right?
So I understand it 100% from the perspective of, oh, we don't want these places like, you know what?
Like maybe like people from Sudan, you know, people from, you know, Somalia, people from these areas, maybe we don't want to take people from in over there because we're having problems with them or whatnot.
But one could also make the argument for legal asylum.
So it's a very complicated issue.
The president, I believe they sued him over this last year.
tim tompkins
Scroll down, you're gonna see uh what the case was.
I actually posted about that in the thread, yep, it's in the thread.
rex jones
Is it down below this one?
tim tompkins
Yep, keep going.
Well, before we cover okay, this is what gives him okay, and this is this is the alien enemies act, yeah.
Regarding what he got sued over, he was able to use this clause.
rex jones
Whenever the president finds that the entry of any aliens or of that class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants or impose on them the entry of aliens, any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
tim tompkins
Yes, and so that uh, that 212F is the exact clause, and this is the court hearing that you were just mentioning: Trump versus Hawaii in 2017, 2020 blocks it.
rex jones
People sued the Supreme Court upheld upheld the final version.
Uh, in Trump v. Hawaii, the Supreme Court upheld the president's authority to use section 212F of the Immigration Nationality Act to protect the United States through entry restrictions.
The proclamation fully restriction limits the entry of nationals from 12 countries found to be deficient in regards to screening and vetting and determined to pose a very high risk to the United States.
Afghanistan, Burma, Chad, Republic of the Congo, Equatorial Guinea.
Know someone from there.
Pretty crazy guy.
tim tompkins
I do.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
Wow.
rex jones
Etherea, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen.
tim tompkins
Yeah, like, here's the thing: for something like this, where tensions are very high in a specific region, and you don't know how the people are turning on.
Because here's the thing: you get like you spit out a certain type of person depending on what life experiences they went through.
Well, if you're living in Somalia right now for the last 15 years, you're not coming out of there fully like feeling good.
rex jones
I mean, half of these countries we've done military actions against, and I'm sure the other ones we've done covert operations against, right?
So, I mean, that's what it is.
tim tompkins
It doesn't matter if we caused it, right?
rex jones
Look at the list, though.
Iran, yeah, attacked them a lot.
Libya, we they have open-air slave markets now.
Gaddafi had the highest standard of living for any country in Africa.
We turned that place into a crater.
Somalia, we've turned it into even more of a crater.
Sudan has been war-torn since like the 90s.
It's hell over there.
It's really bad.
We've been involved in that.
And then Yemen.
Yemen's the poorest country in Africa.
We've been involved hitting them.
They've hit us.
They've made us run.
They've turned around our ships.
tim tompkins
Yeah, well, they were the ones doing all the blockade.
Like, I supported when they went in, like, they were basically messing up trade and those Houthi rebels or whatever.
Like, yeah, go and blow up whatever they're doing there because we need to.
rex jones
Houthi is actually kind of a derogatory term, actually.
They're the Yemani people.
I've seen a lot of, see, look, look, observe how I out-liberal Tim.
Observe the leftism here, the influence of do dissidents.
unidentified
So I mean, like, I didn't know that.
rex jones
But, but, you know, like, it's crazy.
Like, we're involved in all this, I think, is your point.
But go ahead.
tim tompkins
No, I mean, it's just here's the thing.
Yes, somebody made the mess, but then, like, to turn around and not expect there to be like some bad eggs in there that hate America, it's very hard for me for you to rationalize that there wouldn't be that.
rex jones
I mean, and I understand it, right?
Like, your dad gets killed by drone strikes, so then you hate America.
tim tompkins
Yeah, and you secretly hate, and you could easily pretend that, like, you're yeah, and you're like, I'm gonna go do a terrorist.
Oh, this is a good scroll down.
unidentified
Okay, look at this chart here, guys.
tim tompkins
The countries that attract the most migrants, dude, we are winning this by a long shot.
Uh, DE is Germany, by the way.
So, Saudi Arabia, you got Russia, Great Britain, um, France, Canada.
rex jones
Look, dude, we're 50 million.
50 million people.
tim tompkins
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
I mean, even before that, that whole 2020 situation and 2021, we were leading in 2000.
Dude, people want to come here.
rex jones
Yeah.
tim tompkins
That's really what it comes down to.
rex jones
That's always been the case.
tim tompkins
It's always been the case.
People love America to the point where they're like, I need to come here in order to do certain things.
Now, to the wider base of what Americans are saying now, we can't let everybody in.
And that's the controlled aspect that I'm talking about.
It's just when you've got that many people, I have to also take the understanding that this is a more complicated situation than like what you and I or the average person just sits here and balks about.
Like there's so many layers to how we had created an infrastructure like decades ago.
And it hasn't necessarily been fully reformed because it's very difficult to do that.
And we haven't necessarily like adjusted it for the current state of the world at this point.
rex jones
Well, you know, it's a very, it's a very beautifully evil thing that's done, right?
So you're the United States, you're the world's reserve currency.
Essentially, you're able to issue an infinite amount of IOUs to any nation and they have to actually give you resource product finished goods, you name it.
We create this system for ourselves here.
Then we send away our industry to these other countries that we're doing the business with because it's cheaper because they're using our monetary system.
And then once the country really doesn't have that infrastructure that you're talking about or the support for the population, then the surge of migration comes in.
And this is something that we've seen really over the past 30 years.
This is how it's working.
tim tompkins
It is resource extraction.
Also, one thing I didn't point out when we were talking about, you know, Osama and all of that.
So Osama bin Laden's father, by the way, guys, he was a contractor for the United States and built a shit ton of oil rigs and totally Saudi Arabia.
rex jones
Nothing, nothing.
Shut up.
tim tompkins
You're not supposed to talk about that.
Saudi Arabia, at that point in time, we went in with like our private.
We found, we basically to let it like, let us go in there and like, basically farm their like we give them, I mean some oil and then we give them money.
But in order to all that rigging, we had to build the infrastructure.
Yeah, we used Saddam, we used Osama Bin Laden's father's business, which made them very wealthy, but ultimately it's that resource extraction is what I'm talking about.
That that's really where I'm trying to get at.
Here is like you go into a country and that was one of the reasons why Osama, in his 20s, he was like, all of these countries like Russia and United States are coming in sucking up our resources.
So he's like, you know what I'm gonna do?
I'm gonna find, I'm gonna create this rebel group and I'm gonna create Al-Qaeda to combat and fight against these other countries.
And it wasn't just towards America, Russia was also.
rex jones
We helped him do it, of course, because who else do we not like Russia?
You know it's very interesting.
You know Al-Qaeda ISIS ISIL, these groups.
They never attack Israel.
So, like our interests in the region.
By saying that, I'm not.
I'm not saying Israel, Israel, Israel.
Like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not making that point.
I'm making the point as in Israel is aligned with our interests, and these mysterious militant groups that we, you know, support, train, and advertise, you know, they mysteriously end up never attacking them.
And then they attack the secular governments, right?
Like, this is the key.
And this is the thing that we see is that we talk about biased systems a lot here on the gray area.
We talk about, you know, like I talked about earlier, like war and inflation, right?
It's someone kicking a can down the road.
It's someone scamming someone and not caring about what their grandchildren are going to have to deal with.
And you end up in a situation where the third world is wrecked because it's been extracted, it's been exploited, it's been hurt.
And then the first world is also crumbling because everything that made it successful has been extracted from it.
And now you have this broken parasitic system where both of the entities are essentially feeding off each other.
And there's a predatory class at the top that makes sure it stays in motion.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
And this is what we see.
tim tompkins
Now, I want to read Honey Badger's question.
I want to answer that for you.
You asked, why aren't we getting a bunch of Swedish or Finnish people here or like people from the UK?
And I'll explain that.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
Here's the thing about these countries.
If you go to like these Dutch regions, for example, Happiness Index is like off the charts.
They have some of the first world countries.
They have really good infrastructure.
They have all these different things going for them.
There are people that come here to like visit, but they already have a good thing going.
They're not coming from like a third world country where they're like trying to like come here.
They actually enjoy their culture.
They enjoy the amenities that they get.
So they're often going to go back to what feels like home.
And also their populations aren't that big, to be honest, either.
That's also another leading cause of it.
rex jones
Well, this is the thing.
We're going to get into it.
We're going to talk about Elon Musk and his, you know, white extinction, white depopulation tweets.
We'll get into it.
But white people are a global minority, right?
White people are like 8%, right?
And you look at countries like China, for example, look at the Han Chinese, they have a billion.
You look at the Indians, they have even more.
And you look at various population groups of Europeans, like for me, like I want a homeland, right?
Like I want a place that is mine where my people can live and go on and descend and continue to be in that area.
And I think the critique of immigration, particularly just across the world, everyone comes to America is: hey, like we've seen what's happened in Europe, right?
We've seen the policies in Europe, and you can argue, oh, that's a different class.
That's a different type of issue.
They've imported a lot of people that have this religion, and that has in itself a conflict with the culture of the area.
And the people coming here, by and large, are Hispanic people, and there's not that same like Islamic influence.
So you could say they're more homogenous to the culture.
Either way, do white people deserve a place where they can live and be confident that they're going to have a sizable portion or majority of the population?
Do you believe that?
Or do you just say, ah, immigration, it is what it is.
And this is where the rage bait comes in because people start getting mad about these things.
tim tompkins
For me, it's less of a race thing.
It's more of a culture thing.
rex jones
Right?
tim tompkins
Like, for example, besides my skin pigmentation, right?
I grew up in a very like similar background to like, you know, a Josh Mohai guy.
You know, I had a nuclear family.
I had mom and dad.
I went to private school.
I had fortunate opportunities that other people didn't.
Right.
On paper.
And like somebody would hear me on the mic with like no screen.
Like most people wouldn't be able to tell that I'm black.
All I'm saying is, is like if you take the race side of the equation, the preservation of like culture is really where the issue hits specifically.
Because whether you want to call it a white thing, let's just call it American and in general.
Like America has its own version of culture.
And if you take it from that macro perspective and say, well, I don't want everything, like now everything is in Spanish and in English and like there's the eroding of that.
You could probably make more of that argument.
But like I'm not necessarily like anti-whites where I'm like, oh, they don't have a right to preserve.
But like the extinction part and tying it to immigration and kitchen sinking it with a bunch of things is where I have the issue.
rex jones
It's not you believe that's being used as a weapon to kind of destabilize people and to get people instead of working together to fight with each other over this topic.
And ultimately, you know, I agree with you at a certain level on that perspective.
The way I see it is it's all a bullshit, meaningless debate.
It's just like Fox News and CNN fighting each other.
The whole race thing is purely designed to distract from the class issue.
And it's everyone's broke.
And everyone will be broke going into the future.
tim tompkins
And the reason why I have this perspective is because when you look at the numbers, it's like over 90% of white people marry a white person.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
It's like it's true for race.
It's usually you date within your race.
It's all about the numbers on like how much are you producing and how like are you guys even producing in the first place.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
And then I like looked at like how I like I looked at the most homogeneous countries like Japan, where it's like 96%.
And we can we could probably pull up this graphic.
rex jones
If you want to go there first, is it?
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Pull this up.
donald j trump
Oops.
rex jones
There we go.
tim tompkins
All right.
So this is Japan, guys.
Like 98% of Japan's population is Japanese.
Now, I'm going to explain where I'm going here with this, but we have to go back to the rage bait of what this thing that triggered me even doing this deep dive.
Yeah, I'll go to it of that of that tweet.
Yeah.
So Elon tweeted this.
He quoted this, but white people are on the verge of extinction.
Global population of white people 100 years ago, roughly 35%.
50 years ago, 20%, 25%.
Those numbers are actually not accurate, by the way.
Around 1900, it was 20 to 25%.
And right now, it's around 13 to 15%.
rex jones
Elon reposted this, didn't he?
He did.
tim tompkins
You have one of the biggest platforms as a person and you post this and it says white people are minorities and must take their country back.
No more tolerance, no more suicidal empathy.
You can take it however you want, but because there's so many layers of people being angry and like you got like H-1B going on and you got this Afghani situation, what people do is they look at this and they're like, it has to be the Mexican.
has to be the the black guy doing the things with the snow bunny like there's it just like it it takes the it it makes race the primary driver when actually that's not what's driving you know this quote-unquote extinction of white people It's really just about.
rex jones
It's like it's all you talk about.
It's the money, right?
tim tompkins
It's the money.
rex jones
Go ahead and take over.
Find that graph.
Because it really is shocking.
And then people are pissed.
I guarantee people are mad.
But you look at this graph and it really all just kind of makes sense, right?
tim tompkins
So guys, look at this.
The relationship between fertility and income.
And you can literally see as you make more money, you have less kids.
And if you scroll down here, we can read a little bit of this.
The decreasing relationship between the two variables demonstrates the connection between fertility choices and economic considerations.
In general, poor countries tend to have higher levels of fertility than rich countries.
In particular, women tend to give birth to no fewer than three children in countries where GDP per capita is below $1,000 per year.
Countries where GDP cap per capita is above $10,000 per year, women tend to give birth no more than two children.
Now, given that, why I brought up the whole Japan situation, given this, was because let's say Japan, let's say Japan was, I mean, they're not immigrating people in.
They're literally truly like, no one's moving to Japan.
rex jones
They're anti-immigration.
They're preserving.
They are anti-immigrants.
tim tompkins
And it's Japan that does it.
And it's also South Korea has its own issues with this.
rex jones
South Korea's fertility rate is like 0.9.
It's unheard of.
tim tompkins
It's dooky.
rex jones
But ours is like 1.6%.
tim tompkins
Now, if you look at this crap, at this chart, over time, the Japanese population, like that, if you want to talk about extinct, that is the true definition of what you're going to see is why it's going out.
And it's because the Japanese people and the South Koreans, they live good lives in general.
They all have good economic living.
Some of the highest standard of living.
They make a lot of money and they make decisions based off of that.
rex jones
And not their financial reality.
tim tompkins
Exactly, based off their financial reality.
And let me explain this.
So really, what this all drives down to is choices.
So, you know, majority of these white countries, they became rich early.
Like if you just think about Europe in general and you think about America and you think about all of these Western societies that have high populate, that are, that are white, majority of white, more often than not, I don't, I don't think I could think of a country that's like a third world country that's all white people.
It just doesn't exist.
unidentified
Right.
You know, even Lithuania.
Yeah.
tim tompkins
I mean, yes, but like it's still better than an African country.
I understand your point.
South Africa, you've got a bunch of white people.
They have the highest level of wealth in like Africa.
They're like somewhere around there.
But my whole point is like when you are making the right decisions, you have fewer kids.
rex jones
You get marriaged later.
Maybe not the right decisions, right?
tim tompkins
Well, no, I didn't say it.
I didn't mean to say that.
rex jones
No, I get what you're saying.
Good cat.
See, we're being anti-natalist.
That's how bad this is.
Good cat.
We're pro-natalists.
tim tompkins
But my whole thing is, is like when you make more money, this is what happens.
You have fewer kids, later marriages, expensive cost of living.
Women tend to be working and you have long education timelines, urban living, low religious pressure, and then you have birth control access.
That's a big one.
rex jones
Yeah, it's like number one.
tim tompkins
That's a very big one.
And also one of the things is like, if you look at some of these countries and these third world countries, they're having like eight kids.
They're having like seven kids because there's labor that comes with that.
There's all these different things.
And I want to see if I have this chart here.
Let me see if I can quickly find it.
rex jones
We're looking for a chart.
tim tompkins
Yeah, let me go ahead and talk about what your thoughts are so far.
rex jones
You know, it's very interesting to me because, you know, America being a very new, very young country in the grand scheme of things, but also being, you know, the beneficiary of, we're really the custodian of Western culture or Western civilization, as you could look at it, going from the Romans, going to the British, then going to the Americans.
I think that we exported our system to a lot of people and that allowed their systems themselves to get jumpstarted.
And we've taken advantage of various populations.
We've done XYZ, you name it.
But we've really, you know, these places that were literally their tribes that are underdeveloped, they now have industry and whatnot.
And now they're starting to advance for themselves.
And even though they're still in a developing form where they're still having the eight kids and the population is still growing rapidly, eventually, if the model follows, this will be the same everywhere.
tim tompkins
Yeah, so you're right.
We're pulling up every like the Western society in America is pulling everybody in a particular direction to where they're as you go from second to first, you get access to more information.
People start making different decisions.
But just look at this chart, guys.
Like the red is lower and blue is higher.
Like just Africa.
Africa is like the poorest continent out there.
And they like even more Mexico's fertility rate, by the way, is just very similar to America's.
They're like at 1.9.
We're at like 1.6 because we've taken them from being third world to second world.
Africa, just like that, look at that center region.
Some of the poorest regions have the highest fertility rates.
It's insane.
rex jones
And then you look at India and you go, wow, they have population and growth, you name it, but it's not even comparable.
unidentified
Yes.
tim tompkins
And then China used to have an out-of-control population, but you know, they're actually trying to get incentivized people to have a lot of people.
They fucked up.
rex jones
They fucked up because Mao said, one child policy.
tim tompkins
One child.
rex jones
You die.
tim tompkins
Baby die.
But now, but now people don't really want to have kids anymore.
They're second in terms of GDP and they're struggling to get people to have kids.
And when I say all this, guys, it's not to be like, oh, the white man should not be allowed to preserve his culture in X, Y, and Z.
It's more so, let's take the rage bait out of it.
Let's take the, you know, bullshit, like stuff that we try to say and look at the real numbers of what's causing the infertility rates to decrease.
rex jones
I think about this for our show, and I think about people watching, right?
And I really just want to impress this as we've impressed time and time and time again.
The point of this show is to go over the information.
tim tompkins
Like this is the gray area for the reason, right?
rex jones
Well, this is this is just right.
And then you have people like Elon, you have people online, the rage engagement farmers, you name it.
And they're using to push their own opinion, their own agenda.
My thinking, even just doing the show in general and getting started again, why I really wanted to do this is, hey, I want to be the most informed person on all these issues.
I care about all of them.
So I want to be able to have in-depth conversations about them.
And then how many times do we say we know the information, but we haven't reviewed it?
And that's what I think about the audience.
And I think about people, I know this X, Y, Z, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Just look at the graph more time.
I don't have the graph to reference and your opinion.
Like Tim put this together very quickly, right?
tim tompkins
Yeah, I didn't know this stuff until I just spent a couple of hours just looking into this stuff, just doing the digging, pulling up the data, and just seeing what's the leading cause and what's going on.
And I thought I knew what was driving it.
And I kind of was guilty.
I was like, well, maybe it's maybe it is the Mexicans overrunning and they're having kids with white people.
And, you know, it's going to be a bunch of mixed kids.
Like, I was like, maybe that could be it.
But and then I realized, oh, Mexico is not even, their birth rate is as low as ours.
rex jones
We really, we have to do a deep dive on depopulation in general because right now we're kind of talking about like overpopulation narrative, overpopulation narrative.
tim tompkins
It used to be that way.
rex jones
It used to be that way.
Now, you know, we've become more aware of kind of the societal collapse that comes from really not having the children.
Right.
And coincidentally, all these billionaires, all these super rich people with bunkers, they love this.
They brag about it.
I mean, you look at Africa right here.
Look at all this blue.
Bill Gates, he goes into one of these countries.
He reduces the fertility rate by 15%.
He's like, he's proud of it.
He's like, we lowered the fertility.
It's amazing, it's great at the end of the day.
The people in power they want to kill everybody, and like in all the scenarios and all the books from the 20th centuries, if the academics published that Kissinger, Henry Kissinger himself backed, he called people useless eaters, all this, you name it.
They want like 500 million people, and everyone else, you know, they don't really care about them.
So we can talk about this, we can look at this, and we can look at it from the Chud perspective of getting rage baited based on demographics, or we could look at it as a total system of, hey, you know, this is interesting, but they're going to kill everybody.
And like, this, this is my core thesis.
And I know you're a little more optimistic and that you, you, you disagree on hope for humanity, but we'll do one of these deep dives.
I'll show you a few clips.
I do believe there's they worship deep up.
tim tompkins
Okay, so I do believe there are some very like sociopathic people that do like have that perspective of like they just want a specific person.
Yeah, they they want a depopulation, but like I'm just thinking about the net of the reality.
I think there's an there's more good in the world than there are there than there.
rex jones
I don't know.
I do.
tim tompkins
I on a fundamental perspective, I agree with you on just because the power is in a fact conference rate.
rex jones
Yeah, but the people with the power have the influence and they're evil.
tim tompkins
Yeah, I mean, there's the there are the Soros.
There are the Soros.
rex jones
They're all like that.
And Elon is probably the best out of them because he's like autistic and just like, oh, yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, but like we'll get into all of it.
I think this has been phenomenal.
Do you have any other data points you want to get into on this?
tim tompkins
The only thing that you made me aware of, and I was like, oh, this is you were like talking about the black people.
You were like, the black people haven't necessarily increased or really decreased dramatically over the last, you know, decades of whatever.
And I was like, oh, really?
rex jones
And they do have a higher fertility rate, but then when you combine the abortion into it, and this is kind of the sick thing in the American system, like, you know, like, I'm a very pro-life individual, and I'm pro-life in regards, and this is how pro-life I am.
I realized that I was inconsistent with my values because of my stance on the pro-life issue in regards to being a quote-unquote conservative years ago.
Because if I'm a conservative and I'm pro-life and I want a baby to die in the womb and I want the baby to be born and to have a life and to have an opportunity to be a human, if I have that viewpoint, I have to support universal health care.
I just do.
Should the mom have to pay to have the child, right?
Like if a child is going to go hungry, should that child not be fed?
Right?
And these, like, if you hold a belief like I do with the pro-life issue, it you can't have contradictions in it.
And we're searching for the contradictions with these stories that we go through.
tim tompkins
Yeah, it's just all dangerous rhetoric at the end of the day.
The whole aspect of like rage baiting really bothers me.
It's just at the end of the day, the more you can get people to be angry, people eat that slop up and they are growing their platforms and becoming the biggest microphones.
For me, I could be spitting out like these facts, be doing all these threads, and it's not going to get nearly as much viewership as the guy who's just like, um, black.
Like, if I'm like, if I say something like I'm a black person, I'm like, all black people.
rex jones
White people will die.
tim tompkins
Yeah, black or like black people should all be killed.
Like, if I went and started posting that, like immediately, I would start having like thousands.
Yeah, I would start having thousands of views.
But you know what?
At the end of the day, I have integrity.
At the end of the day, like, I'm going to stick to the numbers.
And I don't care how I care about even the very few people that hear what I'm saying here and trying to show you guys the numbers.
That is good enough for me.
Because at the end of the day, I would rather die than to just be pushing slop to people and just be telling them that, like, oh, it's the Mexican.
unidentified
It's the Indian.
tim tompkins
It's the white guy.
rex jones
It's just no more slop.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
So at the end of the day, that's where I stand on this whole thing.
You guys can agree with me.
You can disagree with me, but the facts are the facts.
I've shown you guys this is your ability to use discernment and maybe have some conversations.
rex jones
Well, shit, you know, I look at this and I look at what you put together, like, this is just kind of the story of the facts on the ground.
And then you look at other things that have influenced this scenario and the situation we're currently in.
I just look, I see it, and I know you don't see it this way.
I see it as a kind of they're all trying to kill us scenario.
tim tompkins
My question for you would be, okay, prior to you seeing all this information and us having this conversation, if I were to never show you this information and you just go based off of what you've learned up till now, what would you have thought the root cause of fertility rates being lower?
rex jones
Well, I think we generally agreed.
Like I would say deindustrialization.
I would say like in-stage capitalism.
Like I would, I agree kind of, but it's a breakdown of the data and there are different motivations as in like, I believe that I believe that it should be preserved more than you do.
And I believe that actions should be taken by the government for the native population to be preserved more than you do.
But on cause and effect, we agree.
So I'm with you there.
And like it is ultimately about when you have the money and you have the kushy lifestyle, you usually don't have the kid.
And that's societal weakness on our part and decadence on our part as being Americans.
The real decadence of being an American isn't eating the cheeseburger or going and getting drunk or, you know, just like wasting your life.
The real failure to be an American and to further the continuance of your civilization is to not have children.
Right.
tim tompkins
Well, and you know what's crazy?
Like I, I don't know about you.
I've got a lot of friends that are in their 30s.
I've got friends that are, you know, in their late 20s, middle 20s.
And a lot of them are deciding not to have kids because they're like, they see a lifestyle that's on social media.
They don't want to raise.
They don't want to slow down the lifestyle in order to raise a kid and go through all the hassle.
And also, it's not affordable to have a kid.
No.
The agonomics to just bring a kid into the world and just have like a kid.
And the thing is, is like, it sucks because I see a lot of the wrong people having kids.
And I see a lot of the right people not having kids.
And I mean this because like I have family members like I have a cousin who robbed a bank guys and he's got like probably like three kids.
And there's another guy who's like really good, really upstanding guy, great wife, and they have one.
And it's like, who's going to learn what?
rex jones
You got to, we've got to, I've assigned this as homework.
You have to watch this movie, Tim, because this is a classic and it describes the exact situation that you're talking about here, kind of in perfect satire.
It's one of the great satires ever made, in my opinion.
tim tompkins
I'll definitely watch it.
rex jones
You got to watch it.
I think it's free on YouTube.
tim tompkins
So explain it a little bit for the for people who don't know.
rex jones
So, I mean, honestly, I think most of the audience knows it's kind of the niche.
This is one of the movies that everyone in the space kind of knows about.
But basically, they take a guy.
He's got 100 IQ, totally average man.
The army puts him in a pod.
They freeze him.
He wakes up hundreds of years later.
And the stupid people had the kids.
The smart people didn't have the kids.
And the smart people built a system, which is now almost broken by the stupid people hundreds of years ago.
And he is the average guy who's smarter than everyone else.
He's got to go fix everything.
It's a very good film.
And if you haven't watched it, I suggest you watch it.
Tim hasn't seen it.
He's at least going to check it out.
And like, that's where we are.
tim tompkins
Now, let's get into the next.
rex jones
Now, you talk about slop.
unidentified
All right.
rex jones
You talk about slop.
You talk about rage bait.
unidentified
no more slop, no more slop, no more slop, no more slop, no more slop.
rex jones
Seriously, though, no more slop.
And we're going to get into it.
You remember when we watched Jesse Waters, right?
We watched that clip of him describing this is the attack ship and it's that smaller helicopter.
Basically, the war propaganda, the fear-mongering, the spin-selling that's going on over at Fox News.
We watched this clip of Jesse Waters, and it's how the Fox News people spin it.
It's how the administration spin it.
They go to the boomers, they say, Hey, America's under attack.
unidentified
The evil Venezuelans are the reason everything's wrong.
We got to go in there.
rex jones
We got the best ships and special forces.
unidentified
We're going to do it.
rex jones
We're going to do it.
And I know, look, the special forces watching this, your army watching this, whatever.
You're more badass than me.
tim tompkins
You're send the black truck.
rex jones
Exactly.
Send the black helicopter, pick us up, just in the show, get rid of it all.
End it all here.
But look, you're tough.
It's cool.
Gun, missile, whatever.
However, you kill somebody.
War crimes are not okay.
And this administration has been involved in numerous war crimes in Venezuela.
And the situation is ongoing.
Not only have we struck these boats, these, you know, these are, these are the boats with all the fentanyl in the world, right?
There's no other fentanyl in the world.
All the fentanyl in the world is on these boats, and that's why we have to kill the people.
Even though the boats don't have enough fuel to get anywhere and it's too small and it's packed with people, looks like trafficking instead of a drug operation.
That's where all the fentanyl in the world is, Tim.
Did you know this?
100% of the fentanyl in the world is located on these boats that we're hitting.
tim tompkins
And that's what's interesting.
I just love how we're covering these topics because I did another thread on that.
And I explained, I actually show where the I'm actually going to pull that up for you guys.
I actually show where most of the manufacturing of fentanyl comes from.
Like 90 plus percent of it comes from China and then it's it's moved into Mexico.
rex jones
The supply of just drugs in general from Venezuela, it's it's basically nil.
When you look at Colombia, when you look at Mexico, when you look at these other countries, we want regime change in that country.
We want it in Venezuela.
The lady that won the Nobel Peace Prize, I'm blanking on her name right now.
She is the person that Trump has decided is going to be the new leader of Venezuela.
And Maduro, Maduro has seen the posturing.
Maduro has seen the burn boats.
Maduro has seen the buildup of the U.S. military fleet, the Navy fleet on his coastline.
And he's basically begging and capitulating and saying, I will do whatever you want.
I will work with you.
I want to stay in power, but I'll work with you.
I'll do anything.
And Trump is like, no, no, we're doing this and you're going to sit there and you're going to take it.
And, you know, it does look like that's what's going to go down.
I think that there'll be even more escalation.
I don't think we're going to do anything or they're going to do anything about it.
I think it's going to get worse and worse.
But getting into that war crime, after you pull up this thread, we have now escalated.
Not only big time.
Not only are we hitting these boats and killing everyone on them, when we don't kill everyone on the boat, we have special forces.
We have the SEAL teams pull up.
We have them double tap the people that are still alive.
That's called Ors de Combat.
Those people are no longer combatants.
Those people need to be taken as prisoners of war for interrogation purposes.
And killing them is a fucking war crime.
And you cannot do it.
And you cannot spin it.
And you cannot sell it.
You cannot make it this great thing.
You cannot make this boomer-American tough thing.
This is wrong.
And beyond it being wrong and beyond any of that, if you're pro-Trump and you wanted the Trump administration to go on and him to win another term and to stay in office for a thousand years, these are impeachable offenses.
These are war crimes.
These are things that he could be brought up at The Hague for.
I know I have audience members who are going, oh, well, I love Trump and that's criticism.
And we don't do that here.
You know, he's making some bad decisions.
He's making some good ones.
No, he's damning the entire movement that he wrote in on by doing stuff like this.
And it's further showing other nations across the world that we are not to be trusted and that we are not to be dealt with.
Well said, like if the Russians, right?
If the Russians rolled up on the Ukrainians and let's just say the Ukrainians had a boat in a lake or something, and they hit the boat and there were survivors, and the Russians rolled up and they shot those people in the head.
War crime, war crime, international hag, get Putin.
It's all over.
unidentified
Send the nukes.
rex jones
Send the nukes.
Literally, I didn't even think of that.
unidentified
Send the nukes.
rex jones
They would do that.
They would say, send the nuclear weapon, right?
But because it's us, it's America and it's Nobel Peace Prize, and it's wonderful.
So break down this really quick before I go into my spiel.
unidentified
This China, bad chemical, bad chemical, go to Mexico.
tim tompkins
Mexico mixes that with other stuff.
That's the reason why you have fentanyl mixed in specific things.
It's sold as heroin, or it's a counterfeit prescription pills like opioids, and then it's shipped into the United States.
Do you see anywhere in Venezuela on this?
rex jones
This is Venezuela right there.
Hold on, hold on, Tim.
See, you're lying right now.
President Trump, he reposted my tweet, and I got a million dollars from Twitter AdSense.
So that's Venezuela right there.
This is also Venezuela.
And this is the U.S., but this is also Venezuela up here.
By the way, Venezuela is three different places.
tim tompkins
To do fentanyl, it's a whole chemical process.
You literally need the infrastructure to do something like this.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
Also, do you know where a majority of cocaine comes from?
You tell me.
They literally trace like 90-something percent of the cocaine back to Colombia.
It's the main again.
I digress, but we know this is not the real reason.
And you can go ahead and explain it.
rex jones
No, it's complete bullshit.
And now I'm going to start getting into my clips and I'm going to start telling a little story here.
Let's listen to Trump posture on Maduro.
unidentified
The president has been reported that Maduro offered everything in his country, all the natural resources.
He even recorded a message to you in English recently offering mediation.
donald j trump
What should we do?
He has offered everything.
He's offered everything.
You're right.
You know why?
Because he doesn't want to fuck around with the United States.
Thank you, everybody.
unidentified
Thank you, everybody.
rex jones
And then, so this is hard.
All right.
This is gangsta.
The president saying the F-word makes it cool, right?
And this is just, it's just the attitude getting into all of this that I have problems with.
Donald J. Trump, to all airlines, pilots, drug dealers, and human traffickers, please consider the airspace above and surrounding Venezuela to be closed in its entirety.
Thank you for your attention to this matter, President DJT.
And that's two days ago.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
And somebody asked me, they said, how is Trump even allowed to close the airspace around Venezuela?
rex jones
Well, because he says so.
tim tompkins
Well, literally.
Okay, so what it really is, what drives that is federal government, FAA.
Trump actually can dictate what the FAA does to a certain degree and can declare the FAA to like declare no fly zones.
So he can control American flights, like Delta, all of that stuff.
And with that being said, other people typically follow the United States and what they're doing because, in general, after a certain amount of time, they know they don't want to be caught in the crossfire if something were to happen.
rex jones
100%.
tim tompkins
That's really what boils this down.
Not to step on your point.
rex jones
No, you're all good.
tim tompkins
I can actually pull up.
I can actually pull up what this looks like so that people understand what the skies look like.
Because I think it's very fun to take a look at something like this.
rex jones
He's talking about showing all the planes.
Yeah, yeah here, go ahead and show all the planes.
tim tompkins
Look at these planes, man.
All right, look at all this this.
Well, this isn't, this isn't.
Uh, it's even less traffic.
This is, this is not that's.
This is not Venezuela where I was going with.
This is typically when the United States does something like this in previous conflicts, like you can see in in 1983, they restricted before Grenada, uh, Panama 1989.
We also did the same thing.
Libya 2011.
We also did another thing, uh, in Iraq.
So you can see, like the, the planes literally don't fly around these regions and it normally.
It's not always guaranteed, but typically this is what the United States does prior to actually doing a strategic strike of some sort within a country.
And that's what's scary about this whole thing, right?
rex jones
I 100 agree.
I mean look, I was making the prediction.
You were saying it's further off and it may be next year.
You may be right, because the month is a very short time.
It's also very long time in politics, but it's also very short and you know it's christmas.
Trump could decide that he wants what if he does it on christmas.
Yes, I had to do.
Santa Claus came down the chimney and he told me, Donald, i'm not giving you a present.
Your president is Venezuela.
I said i'd really give Venezuela to left me said yes, it's true, people are saying it, you don't.
Yeah, I mean all right.
So we've talked about this, we've done a little exposition and everyone's aware of the current military buildup down there.
It's, it's unavoidable and, as I talked about just now, i've been predicting the war imminently.
Tim has been a little further out, but them pulling the airspace really shows how close we are to the actual conflict.
Right, and getting into the further escalation on these strikes on the boats.
I want to read from this tweet here and then we're going to read from the Washington POST article.
Of course they're cheap bastards and i'm an even cheaper bastard and they wanted me to pay 99 cents to uh read the article.
Uh that uh, you hell.
No uh, it's only nine minutes a long walk off a short cliff.
Washington POST.
I found someone that pirated it, so i'll read it off x.
Thank you very much.
Pete Hegsef committed a war crime and then doubled down.
He instructed the military to murder civilians at sea and when there were injured victims, he gave the order to kill them all.
Oh, surviving victims were brutally dismembered at sea by U.s missiles.
Hegseth order on first Caribbean boat strike.
Officials say killed them all.
As two men clung to a stricken, burning ship targeted by SEAL team SIX, the joint special operations commander followed the defense secretary's order to leave no survivors.
Defense secretary Pete Hegsef gave a verbal directive.
According to two people with direct knowledge of the operation, the order was to kill everybody.
One of them said a missile screamed off the Trinidad coast, striking the vessel, igniting a blaze from bow to stern.
For minutes commanders watched the boat burning on a live drone feed.
As the smoke cleared they got a jolt.
Two survivors were clinging to the smoldering wreck.
Oh, we left people alive, we got to kill them.
Now, like this is the attitude of our, of our people the, the moral American military.
It's just, it's kill murder, death.
That that's what it represents.
It's what it's really always represented for the past 40, 50 years.
The special operations commander overseeing the september 2nd attack, the opening salvo in the Trump administration's war on suspected drug traffickers in the western Hemisphere, ordered a second strike Strike to comply with Hegset's instructions to kill Everybody.
Two people familiar with the matter said the two men were blown apart in the water.
And, you know, hey, they don't matter, right?
It's just some people, unidentified people.
We don't know who they were.
We don't know if they were traffickers or fishermen or whatever.
They're dead.
But hey, United States, Pete Hegseth, he was on Fox News.
Trump was on reality TV and they're president and in the cabinet.
It's cool now they get killed.
tim tompkins
Why not go and just arrest them?
rex jones
Well, that's the thing.
And we're going to get into that.
Actually, I need to pull up the notion really quick.
tim tompkins
Makes no sense to me.
rex jones
Really quick, we're going to play a video and then I'm going to pull up a notion.
I'm going to break down exactly what the war crimes are.
I might as well, you know what?
I'm just going to go to this now.
Now that we've done the opening salvo and we've entered the story, I really want to play this clip because a lot gets broken down here.
And this is one of my favorite programs.
Judge Napolitano, he does a phenomenal program on YouTube.
He's kind of the good version of Pete Hegseth, meaning like they both worked at Fox.
Pete Hegseth is now in the cabinet.
Napolitano is pursuing an independent anti-war media career.
So let's watch this.
And this is Scott Ritter.
He used to be a Marine.
He used to work for like, he was the guy that went and like tested nuclear weapons in other countries.
tim tompkins
Wow.
rex jones
Like ratify like peace treaties and stuff.
So this is the real deal, guys.
judge andrew napolitano
He did this because the Washington Post had reported it had seven, seven sources that said Hegseth issued the verbal order to kill these two.
Heg Seth denied it.
About an hour and a half ago, excuse me, last night, the president denied it.
About an hour and a half ago, the White House press secretary admitted that Heg Seth did issue that order.
rex jones
Wow.
unidentified
Was the issue of the order an illegal order?
judge andrew napolitano
And did compliance with the order constitute a war crime?
scott ritter
100% illegal order.
Look, this is one of the clearest case.
There's no debate here.
There's no literally, there's no gray zone.
As a second lieutenant in the United States Marine Corps at the basic school, we are taught the law of war.
And one of the videos they showed my class was a video of American submariners who had sunk Japanese merchant shipping.
And then the submarine came around and the sailors are on the ship shooting the Japanese in the water, just slaughtering them.
rex jones
So we got a history of this, huh?
We've been doing this before, haven't we?
tim tompkins
Played these games before, brother.
scott ritter
This was common practice in the Second World War.
And because of this, the world was sickened by it.
There were other things where Germans did similar things to our sailors in the water.
In fact, as many German submariners were arrested, tried, and executed for that crime.
So in 1949, I believe the Geneva Conventions made it illegal to when a ship is sunk and people are in the water, they are automatically by law rendered what is called hors du combé.
That's a French term.
Marine Corps, we say hors de combat because we don't know how to speak French, but it means you're out of the fight.
You are literally out of the fight and you are required to rescue them.
They are out of the fight.
You are required to rescue them, not kill them.
And if you seek to kill them, you are in violation, a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions, not just the 1949 Geneva Convention, but the 1977 additional protocols.
In 1996, the United States Congress passed a law, the War Crimes Act, I believe it's called, that basically says, if you do this, if you violate the Geneva Convention, a grave breach, you shall be arrested, tried, and if found guilty, sentenced to life imprisonment or executed.
Pete Hegseth is a war criminal.
There is no if, and, or, but.
There is no pardoning.
There is nothing.
He's a war criminal, but not just him.
This is where Mark Kelly and the seditious six come in.
rex jones
And really quick, so we've talked about this, right?
Now, I just want to give a little exposition, and this is why it's so great because sometimes there'll be a topic Tim knows everything about.
I don't really know a lot about, but I have enough context where we can have the discussion, and then vice versa.
This is one of those times where I explain to you: hey, this is really big in the right wing right now.
The seditious six talk of, hey, these people coming out and saying to the military, defy Trump's orders, mostly in the context of dealing with the ICE raids and the National Guard, but also in the context of Venezuela, right?
And this is something, and I'll give commentary right here, and this is going to be real spicy.
This is something I've seen my dad talk about on and on and on and on in the Podesta plan and all of it, and how it's the leftist uprising and how they're trying to call a revolution, take over the country, XYZ.
That is a talking point that supports the Trump administration.
That is what that talking point is.
It supports the Trump administration.
It is basically saying, hey, there is no case for the president could give an unlawful order because our president would never give an unlawful order because he is so awesome.
tim tompkins
Who said that?
rex jones
Well, I mean, he didn't say that directly.
That's kind of a circular argument.
I've seen the right wing in general and I've seen my dad make that argument as well.
When in reality, this is the empire, this is the American empire taking a military action unlawfully in another country that we haven't declared war against.
And then our president and his cabinet member, his Secretary of Defense, Secretary of War, White App, Secretary of War, War Crimes, Pete Hegsteth, he's out there violating the Geneva Convention.
tim tompkins
Question for you: thought process here.
Let's say Biden does this.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
And then his general goes and makes the same call.
What happens on X?
rex jones
Same, dude.
The same thing.
And that's why I'm fucking pissed off.
That's what you're touching on right now.
And you pose that as a point of argument to move the debate along.
I agree with you.
Yeah.
Well, actually, actually, no, I don't.
tim tompkins
No, no, I'm just saying, like, it's not really of a debate.
It's just more like, what do you think would happen?
rex jones
Well, I mean, we saw the grotesque attacks that Ukraine was allowed to commit under Biden.
We saw the withdrawal from Afghanistan and we saw the outrage from the American public at these perceived war crimes, at these perceived issues of unethical conduct.
And then you see Trump literally doing the exact same thing.
I call him Biden 2.0, except he talks.
He's a talking Biden.
He's a talking Biden.
And look.
pete hegseth
Exactly.
rex jones
And look, and you can tune into the show and you can look at me and you can go, like, I am pro-Trump.
unidentified
You're a liberal.
rex jones
I'm an Infowars person.
You're a liberal.
You're being leftist.
You're not supporting our president.
Look, I supported Trump from the time I was 15 to the time I was like 21, 22 years old, very intensely.
This administration and everything Scott Ritter is talking about here with the war crimes.
This is a complete resignation on the promise that he made to America because he promised to not be like this.
And this is why I have such an issue with it.
It's just like the pro-life thing where I go, hey, I have to be ideologically consistent.
If I'm pro-life, then I can't say that I don't want children to be fed or people that have health.
tim tompkins
It's like free speech.
You know, some people are like, well, I can cut out and carve certain situations depending on which party is speaking about these things.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
And that's why the whole thing is ugly, but you got to have the whole thing.
And the presentation that we've been given, this Fox News presentation, I'm going to get into this clip of Jesse Waters in a second.
I'm going to get into a clip of Pete Hegse and Trump.
They're literally, it's posing for the cameras.
It's Unk and nephew posing for the cameras, cheesing, cheesing, grinning, making smirks, making facial expressions, because they rule the world.
They're on top of the world.
And they expect us, the base that got them elected, me and Tim both voted for Trump.
Tim, now even more Trump than me, but we both both have our issues, right?
tim tompkins
Still in the middle.
rex jones
Yeah, we both have our issues, but at the end of the day, this is not what we expected, right?
Not what you expected at all.
tim tompkins
No, I'm critical of whatever party.
I actually had to, I had to debate this with some rando on X today.
rex jones
Oh, yeah, talk about that.
tim tompkins
I said something about, he said something about, like, not to get off in the weeds.
He said something about like, uh, somebody made a post about like saying commitments, like we're getting trillion, $18 trillion worth of commitments from these countries.
And I just made the statement.
I'm like, hey, commitments is not the same thing as money actually coming in.
rex jones
Yes.
tim tompkins
And I was on just because it's a commitment, all they'll have to do is just stonewall Trump to get out of the president and then basically say, well, what happened?
Well, we were negotiating over the T's and C's for a very long time and never happened.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
And then these are the things that are presented to America, the American public as the big win.
And it's like this nebulous, giant amount of money that's being paid from one corporation or government to another government or corporation.
And it doesn't necessarily help anyone in the long term, even, but it definitely doesn't in the short term.
It's literally just words, right?
tim tompkins
Well, my point with it was like there was a guy that responded and he like tried to call me a liberal.
And he was like, but if the liberals were doing this, you know, you're not pro-America.
You're not pro-America first.
And I, and I mess, I'm like, dude, I'm in the, I'm in the center.
I said, I'm critical of both administrations at this point in my life.
And I'm just giving you the facts that we got to be able to put party lines aside and just call people out.
rex jones
I mean, how about expecting job performance from the person, right?
Instead of the person that you hired going, oh, oh, oh, you think the person you didn't hire would be better at the job than me?
I'm the lesser of two evils.
You have to keep paying me, even though I do nothing and rob you blind.
Like that is the analogy, isn't it?
Yeah.
Isn't that the analogy?
tim tompkins
It just made me aware that there's a strong base of people that no matter what that, whatever party does wrong, they will die on that hill.
They will die on that hill.
And they're probably people that are in rooms congratulating him on this.
And here's the thing: these people, they're not even related to these.
They don't know who they are.
There's so much distance between you and the decision that there's no emotional impact.
rex jones
It's just literally like a choose your adventure book or like a video game.
And that's what's so terrifying about the Trump administration.
tim tompkins
Game of Battleship.
rex jones
It literally, like, you don't know what he's going to do next.
unidentified
And it's usually like pretty fucking bad.
rex jones
And I, here's the thing.
I get so mad at that, you know, that hypothetical question the person posed to you or like, or not even hypothetical, calling you a liberal.
tim tompkins
Calling me a liberal.
rex jones
Yeah, I get irritated at that.
And I say that's not allowed because that's the excuse I hear sometimes, you know, on the show.
tim tompkins
A caller will call in.
rex jones
I'll be critical of Trump.
My dad will go, well, better Democrats, right?
And you're like, you wouldn't vote for Kamala, right?
And like, that's, that's not the problem.
Like, that, that, that's not, that's not what we're discussing here.
We're discussing the performance of the person that won and is supposed to do the job because the person that won is not doing the job.
And in fact, it's not even a zero.
It's a negative score because they're committing war crimes.
They're committing espionage.
They're committing fraud, these crypto scams.
If you can look at this and you can hold this administration up as like the Avengers or the new American heroes, I don't, I don't think there's hope for you because I think what this is really shown to everyone because everyone's so excited about Trump is that all these people are the same.
They're all the same.
And I want to go to some clips now.
I want to show some evidence of this.
I want to show these people being who they are, which is the same smarmy TV, kind of petite bourgeois, really not even high-level people, but the scammers that got into the White House.
tim tompkins
Slick back here, buddy.
unidentified
Let's watch this because the thing was on fire and it was exploded and fired and smoke.
pete hegseth
You can't see anything.
You got digital.
This is called the fog of war.
This is what you and the press don't understand.
unidentified
You sit in your air-conditioned offices or up on Capitol Hill and you nitpick and you plant fake stories.
rex jones
What is he cheesing about?
What is he never not been in air conditioning?
tim tompkins
He was in air conditioning when he made that room.
rex jones
He must be refrigerated to be kept alive.
Like, I mean, let's not kid ourselves here.
And these are the people, like, not Hegseth necessarily, because Hegseth was in the military, but this is like the softest hand thing you can ever imagine in the Washington Post about kill everybody phrases on anonymous sources, not based in anything, not based in any truth.
And the press secretary later admits it, folks.
So it is confusing.
tim tompkins
Also, this was him doubling down.
unidentified
Yes.
tim tompkins
This is him doubling down before they said that before they admitted it or after they admitted it.
rex jones
This is just him doubling down.
Look at this.
This is the president.
unidentified
Look at this.
rex jones
I voted for this twice.
I can't believe it.
unidentified
At all.
pete hegseth
And then you want to throw out really irresponsible terms about American heroes, about the judgment.
rex jones
Yes, see, and you're bad.
You criticize the war.
You're bad.
They're American heroes.
You're bad.
How dare you?
tim tompkins
You're bad.
rex jones
That's what it is.
Started to point my finger in your face and tell you, oh, you're bad.
You're bad.
You're bad.
But that's what it is.
tim tompkins
It's gaslighting.
That's exactly what this is.
unidentified
I wrote a whole book on this topic.
pete hegseth
Because what policy.
rex jones
I wrote a book.
I had a ghostwriter write a book.
So I know everything.
pete hegseth
Politicians and the press does to warfighters.
President Trump has empowered commanders, commanders to do what is necessary.
rex jones
No, no, no, no.
He's like pursing his lips fucking asleep.
tim tompkins
He doesn't know what to say.
rex jones
Yeah.
pete hegseth
Which is dark and difficult things in the dead of night on behalf of the American people.
tim tompkins
We support them and we will stop the one thing I will have to say.
Not that I'm like defending him.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
Like there are, and I think I made this point earlier.
He said something that hit pretty well was like the fog of war decisions.
Like I said, we're not part of those conversations that happen in those vacuums.
And we don't know who's saying what to who and who's doing what.
And I'm not saying that he didn't make the call, but there's got to be other people that also they have advisors.
rex jones
It's a machine that runs by itself and the machine needs fuel and it's decided it's going to go to war again.
I just, I don't like how it's posed like they're real, like you talk about fog of war, you're talking about it like you're the captain of the ship when in fact you're not the captain of the ship.
You're like a plank on the ship, right?
Like you're just a part of the machine, right?
So these people, they talk about the grand decisions that they're forced to make at XYZ.
And I think that that is true on the tactical level, like one decision after another.
But to act like there is any element of grand strategy to any of this, like Trump and Pete Hegsteth, they're in a room and they've got like they've got the globe here and they're like poor, like, you know, like they're like going over the planet.
They don't do that.
They don't engage.
tim tompkins
No, there is, there is human error for sure.
There's, there's human, human error.
And you, you hit this very well.
At the end of the day, guys, these guys, we give them authority.
We vote for them.
But at the end of the day, they have the same flaws that we have fundamentally as humans.
We have cognitive biases that happen.
We have other types of biases that cause you to make decisions that are not necessarily in the best interest of like whatever is supposed to be made there objectively.
They are susceptible to emotions.
It's the same thing I was telling you earlier at Camp David when they met immediately after the strike.
Imagine how much emotion Bush and all these people are going in to make a response.
And one guy goes in there, plants the seed of we need to go invade this place.
rex jones
I think they're running it from the very start, man.
I think it's death for the sake of death, and they know it's going to happen and they're excited about it.
I don't necessarily believe that about the new guard.
I think they're just kind of bumbling and inept.
I just, you know what?
Maybe it is true for them.
I'll give you that.
Maybe it is true.
tim tompkins
Well, what I'm saying is, is like, okay.
I can't just take the brush and just paint it and just say, like, every single person that's either in this administration is complicit in whatever is happening.
I'm saying there's nuances.
There are gray areas to this in which we don't fundamentally know what goes through a specific person's head in that very moment.
I believe there are war hawks, people who are very bad that go in there, try to push an agenda and all those things.
And there are people that are susceptible that are in positions of power that just go with the flow of whatever and get influenced very easily.
I think they're all, I think they're all complicit.
rex jones
I think they're all complicit at a certain level.
A lia omission, you know, like we see a lot of this in the modern environment, right?
And you could say, oh, the press secretary, like, what does she have any responsibility?
But you look at how people treated the press secretaries under Biden, basically treating them as like a state propagandist, referring to it as like a North Korean-level thing.
You look at Korean John Pierre and Jin Saki before.
Now we have the same thing where the lies are on the same level, but okay.
And we don't have the criticism.
tim tompkins
Not to debate you on this, but take Bongino or Cash.
You knew what their morals were going before in this.
rex jones
I thought we did.
tim tompkins
I know, but it goes back to my macro level.
rex jones
Break it down.
tim tompkins
It's about the pressure that you receive from the echo chamber of whatever system that you are in.
You and I both said there's a very high likelihood they said, all right, here, here, here's your here's your list of things that we have on you, push it forward.
You say anything, this is what happens.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
Well, I mean, but in that scenario, like you're admitting that they are totally controlled and that it's not really an emotional process, right?
Because like this is this is what I'm saying.
tim tompkins
Yeah, yeah, that is.
rex jones
I see what you're saying.
I'm making the argument that the tactical decisions, I'm sure that's impacted by the people's emotions and they get excited, they get angry, they get sad, whatever, and they make the call.
The grand strategy has already been set, which is why I look at it and I look at the absurd idea of we're winning.
I mean, have you seen this?
I've seen this.
We're winning.
America is back.
America is doing great.
I just, I want to live in a world where we can acknowledge reality and say, hey, our military fucked things up for everybody.
tim tompkins
We've turned you can't say that.
rex jones
Yeah.
tim tompkins
You know why you can't say that?
rex jones
Why can't you say that?
tim tompkins
Because these people are afraid the moment you show any level of weakness, you allow the enemy, quote unquote, like a Russia or a China or some of these other people to take that and allow them to win.
It's a deny till you die.
This is what happens.
You know what?
rex jones
You're 100% right.
I agree.
And that's why we're going to fall off into the fucking sea, man.
That's why it's going to happen because there's always that's, you know what?
And this is, this is why we do the show together.
Very high-level observation from Tim, thinking about how the various power factions that all war domestically together in the United States keep not only the public, but also themselves engaged in this psychotic process of hyping up the enemy.
Ooh, ooh, ooh.
tim tompkins
I got another thing.
rex jones
That's very good.
tim tompkins
It's the same reason why we can't leave certain regions of the Middle East alone because we're afraid that if we don't do it, somebody else will and they will take that resource and they'll become.
So they're like, you know what?
Might as well go and be the bully first.
That way somebody else doesn't have the advantage and they're more powerful than us.
rex jones
And that's that very sick, self-fulfilling prophecy stuff that we see a lot of, right?
Where they'll kind of put these actions in over decades and it manifests itself because, hey, that's what it led to.
tim tompkins
It's one big circle jerk of bad decisions.
So China is complicit in the same type of psychological warfare, bad things.
Russia's also been guilty of the same thing going into the Middle East because they're competing with the United States for resource extraction.
But here's the thing.
You had a bunch of people back in the day and you were saying like, oh, well, the ball's already basically rolling down the hill and the agenda has been set as a whole.
And it's very hard to turn the wheel without sacrificing something.
That's really what it comes down to it is like, you don't want to be the guy who allows like China to become the number one in the world and have your face stamped on top of it.
rex jones
And that's the argument with the AI, right?
That's why we got to put all the money in AI is because, hey, we got to be at war with China.
And you look at it and that's why we do this show.
That's why we do the gray area.
We break down all of these systems because without knowledge of the systems and without the context of these events, it is that real Mad Max world of we all just fight each other, but there is a group profiting off of all.
tim tompkins
China's guilty of the same shit too, though.
judge andrew napolitano
Right.
tim tompkins
China will do the same things where they have, you know, Xi Jinping in there and he's basically pushing the same agenda to be like, well, we can't allow America to win.
And, you know, that global cooperation we talk about.
What if everybody just one day decided to put the egos aside and just say, okay, what is the net positive for society?
Let's just do that regardless of whatever we might have to lose or sacrifice.
rex jones
That's why I support BRICS.
I support the nationalization resources to back, you know, a monetary currency instead of, hey, you know, I'll get that argument.
I'll get the Libtard argument.
I'll get the leftist argument.
I don't care.
How's this shit working out?
It isn't working out for me.
It isn't working out for you.
It isn't working out for the infant.
It isn't working out for the 80-year-old.
The only person it's working out for is the guy in the suit in Washington, D.C. or New York.
unidentified
That's it.
rex jones
That's all.
So I'm allowed to be mad.
I'm allowed to propose radical solutions.
I'm allowed to do this because the radical solution that we voted for and went into office is just George Bush.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
So I'm allowed to be upset and I'm allowed to say these things.
We have America has lost the right to dictate morality to the world.
And this is my main issue with what's going on right now.
These other countries that have offered like the Russians to cooperate with us, we say no, not because of a resource calculation, thinking we could do it ourselves.
We say no because we say, we are good and you are bad.
We are all the same.
We are probably the worst out of everybody.
tim tompkins
Well, they're afraid of being stabbed in the back at the end of the day with cooperating to that extent.
Here's the thing.
rex jones
It's never been tried, has it?
tim tompkins
It hasn't.
Everyone's paranoid.
That's really that.
Like, if we boil this down to a nutshell, guys, it's paranoia.
Everyone is afraid of stabbing each other in the back.
Do you know Russia and China?
Everybody's like their buddy, buddy, but they're actually a constant.
rex jones
Oh, you know, they hate each other.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim tompkins
They're paranoid.
China's literally spying on Russia as we speak.
rex jones
And they do vice versa.
tim tompkins
And it's vice versa.
Everyone's paranoid because they're like, all right, enemy of my enemy is my friend for now.
But then what happens when that goes away?
rex jones
I want to take a moment.
I want to focus on some good old American homegrown propaganda because every clip I see of this absolute jackhole moron, Jesse Waters.
I mean, look, at some point, just so we can grow Gray Area even more and do additional content, I'm going to do solo shows.
Those will mostly be like, it's going to be some real spurgy, autistic stuff.
I'll probably just watch a lot of stuff I find to be entertaining.
One of those things, one of those insectoid creatures in a jar that I enjoy watching for entertainment is Jesse Waters.
This guy is, he's everything they've ever wanted, man.
He's a Fox News host who can spin things for the boomers and make it exciting and invigorating to give away your rights.
Well-spoken, shipper, kind of just got the right look, right?
Like white news guy.
But let's watch this clip because we've seen so much from him that we've played on the show.
We've seen so many crazy clips of him.
Let's watch this clip.
Yeah, let's drop the tough guy act.
unidentified
All right.
tim tompkins
Let's just try to protect the president.
rex jones
Maybe you should do that.
Maybe you should drop the tough guy act.
Seawater's talking about attack ships and come clean.
pete hegseth
Else is going on on Capitol.
unidentified
You know, Pete Hegset, former Fox guy, nominated defense.
He's getting killed in the press by anonymous sources.
This is what he came out and said today: listen.
pete hegseth
We're going to earn those votes.
We're fighting all the way through the tape.
We're grateful to have the president's support because his vision for this Department of Defense is to bring it back to its core capacity.
I'm proud to be here.
And as long as Donald Trump wants me in this fight, I'm going to be standing right here in this fight, fighting to bring our Pentagon back to what it needs to be.
rex jones
That don't mean nothing.
That means literally nothing.
It's a football speech to old people.
Isn't that what it is?
It's hey, you guys.
tim tompkins
It sounds nice.
rex jones
It's a big game.
tim tompkins
It sounds nice.
rex jones
It sounds nice, doesn't it?
unidentified
It's a word.
tim tompkins
It's just a word salad.
rex jones
And President Trump's standing by Pete, right?
mike waltz
He absolutely is.
He absolutely is.
Pete is there and was put there to reform a place that badly.
rex jones
So this is the guy that was Mike Walls.
He was having secret communications with Israel and he leaked a DOD group chat where that was him.
That was him, right?
And oh, you know, he's ambassador to the UN now, I believe, or some other position.
They've moved him.
You know, for being a traitor, you don't get fired or you don't get charged.
You know, they just move you around the government.
He guess who has his seat now in Congress?
tim tompkins
I have no idea.
rex jones
Randy Fine.
tim tompkins
Okay, who is that again?
rex jones
The giant blimp guy who wants to nuke Gaza.
tim tompkins
Oh.
rex jones
So you see how it's all a big club, guys.
They all know each other.
And, you know, he loses that seat.
He gets another job.
Someone else just like him, he gets the appointment.
mike waltz
He needs reform.
That's why President Trump nominated him.
I can tell you what I'm hearing from the soldiers, what I'm hearing from the troops is a sigh of relief and cheering Pete on.
And let me tell you what, Jesse, this is a building that failed an audit, not once, not twice, but seven times of over $800 billion.
And by the way, they had seven years to get.
rex jones
Yeah, but it's like it's almost flexing the fraud because they're not going to do anything about it.
tim tompkins
They're still failing.
rex jones
I mean, this well, this is one of the first things that Elon tried to do with Doge, and it's why they got him out of there.
He's like, hey, I want to cut the Pentagon's budget.
And they go, oh, no, we can't do that.
unidentified
Nope.
rex jones
Can't do that.
mike waltz
Get ready for the audit.
So that's 14 years in and of itself.
Recruiting is in crisis.
Readiness is down.
I held up a bag in one of my own hearings, a bag of bolts that cost $90,000 by the time the Department of Defense certifies them.
And, you know, I mean, come on.
tim tompkins
But they didn't.
He's presenting it like he fixed it.
rex jones
Exactly.
And that's the point.
That's the key.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
Right.
They present problems as if they're solutions because the new wave used to be in politics.
People didn't have access to media.
They were just watching TV or reading a newspaper.
Used to be to win, you wouldn't talk about the thing at all.
Now you talk about the thing and just because the problem exists, you run on it and then you never fix it.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
And just to give some background on what he's talking about, look, Pentagon is like in all these government institutions, what they do and why the bag of bolts is 90,000 is because America does this thing where they don't really have everything run through the federal government.
They do a bidding process where they give contracts away to private institutions.
Those private institutions are regular Joe Schmoe's business guys who can jack up the price of something.
Like during Afghanistan, there was a guy who was charging like $20,000 per meal for like he made $5 billion because he got awarded a contract and then they processed him.
Oh, we're going to do a beautiful deep dive on who made money during that during that war.
But in general, when we're at war with somebody, the normal process is like you go and you bid for that, and normally you take the lowest amount.
When you're in war, they have this thing where they like do away with the bidding process and they just go with like whoever they want.
And then that guy really can set prices however he wants.
And it's just a broken system.
But like Rex is saying, just because you presented as something going bad and like it's something that needs to be fixed, just come up here.
rex jones
You just present the problem.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
Does not mean you're presenting a source.
tim tompkins
It doesn't mean you fixed it.
And they definitely did not fix it.
It's still an ongoing issue.
Right.
rex jones
Show a little footage of a strike here.
unidentified
So the president is sending a message to other cartels, right?
pete hegseth
A very clear one.
unidentified
I can tell you that was definitely not artificial intelligence.
pete hegseth
I watched it live.
We knew exactly who was in that boat.
We knew exactly what they were doing.
rex jones
And we knew exactly who we knew exactly two people were alive afterwards.
And then we killed them.
tim tompkins
That's an easy, that's an easy go swoop them up.
You go throw them in jail.
And then you can potentially just find all the rest.
Why not follow the source of the breadcrumbs?
rex jones
And that shows that it's not about actually solving the problem.
It's about indiscriminate show of force to prove that we're so true.
tim tompkins
I just, oh my God, I just thought about that.
rex jones
It's literally just to prove that we have a big dick.
Like that's what all of this is.
unidentified
Like, America is the biggest dick ever and we can do anything we want with our penis.
rex jones
Like that's what this is.
tim tompkins
It's, you know, it could be two things.
And I'm not like trying to do a whole conspiracy with this whole thing.
It could be two things.
It could be legitimately like spur of the moment, like they just made the call and they were like, we don't really care.
And this is just standing standard operating procedure.
But this is the one that was like broadcast that people found out about where we, there's plenty of situations where this has been ongoing and we've been killing people like this for a very long time.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
That's one argument that I would say.
The other is because the real play, and I'm like, it's very clear as day at this point.
The play is for the oil because we've already done away with the logic of why the drugs will never be the reason.
And at the end of the day, if they know what the main reason and what they're going to go and do is surgical strike, then they don't really care about like following the breadcrumbs and putting all the resources to do something that they don't really care about at the end of the day.
They just want to go for just like you said, posturing.
rex jones
And I think there's certain levels to it.
And you talk about, you know, them making crisis decisions and maybe not being prepared to do so.
And maybe, you know, just spur of the moment, you know, feelings come in, whatnot.
I think that's true, especially in this administration, because like they just don't know what they're doing.
Like Pete Exeth was National Guard guy.
Like he served.
He was a veteran.
He was deployed in combat, I believe.
But usually when you have a guy run the Department of Defense, it's like a general or something.
Like this is just a dude off fall.
tim tompkins
He picked a lot of his friends.
rex jones
So you got a dude like this.
It's now just a part of the system.
I'm sure he was like, yeah, just fuck them people.
Just kill them.
Like shit.
Like, I don't care.
And like, he doesn't, he may.
There's no standard operating procedure that he probably At some point during his military career, he learned that what he does now or what he just did is a war crime.
I'm sure at some point that education was there, but who knows if he absorbed it?
He may have been vaping in class, you know, like literally, right?
So we can chalk it up to incompetence as well as malevolence.
I think equally, because we're looking at his system now, it's so broken.
The people that were willing to game it the most are now in power and they just don't know how to do anything.
And you look at Biden, you say, hey, they don't know how to do anything.
They wasted all the money.
They brought all the people in, you name it.
I think they knew what they were doing just fine.
I think they executed a targeted program.
If you look at Biden, even some of the stuff Biden was doing in Ukraine, we've given weapons to the Ukrainians that Biden wouldn't even give to the Ukrainians.
So you look at it from a perspective of, hey, we had this old administration where the guy basically was corpse president, we can at Bernie's, and his admin staff and his cabinet and the people that were appointed were basically running the thing.
You could say they ran it badly or whatever, but they were running it.
We have people in now that don't even know what their jobs are.
Because if you're the Secretary of Defense, you should know what a fucking war crime is.
Right?
tim tompkins
Well, and we had to change the name, of course, because we can't be, you know, Department of Defense if we're not defending anything.
We're going on the attack.
But we're the Department of War.
rex jones
Even that is bullshit.
The name hasn't even really been changed.
It's just Trump kind of making a title change to it.
It's all boomer bait.
They bait the boomer out.
It's like hunting some sort of like mythical creature, like a unicorn dodo bird hybrid.
And then they like, they do the boomer call.
unidentified
They're like, like, tough America, tough America, tough America.
rex jones
And then the boomer comes out and then they fucking shoot them with the economic military gun and they take their essence.
Like they're hunting smurfs, basically.
The boomers are smurfs and the government's gargamel in my analogy here.
But we got into this.
We covered this tonight.
You were very passionate about what you were covering because you had a data-driven informational point that you were trying to make that, you know, just people don't realize and they're getting rage baited on these various topics related to demographics.
My point is very emotional.
How do we allow this?
How do we still back this and support this on prominent conservative media and news channels?
This is everything that I was raised to not support.
I was raised to be anti-war.
I was raised to oppose military strikes.
I remember when I found out as a kid about Obama drone striking people and I was like, man, that ain't evil.
tim tompkins
Yeah, weddings.
rex jones
Yeah.
So getting back to the ideological consistency thing that we talked about with the abortion issue and being pro-life in my perspective, I cannot hold the values that made me vote for Donald Trump make me not support Donald Trump now.
tim tompkins
And maybe that's actually part of the macro issue that we have with the United States in general.
I think we haven't established the Constitution was the first attempt at trying to establish like that North Star of competent moral values and compasses that everybody should abide to regardless of party lines.
But somewhere along the way, we've got blurred with, you know, expansions of different powers and now we don't need to do the War Powers Act anymore.
And, you know, president can basically act as a mini king to do whatever he wants, not just Trump, just in general.
Bush had done the same thing.
Clinton has done the same thing where you just go and do a strategical strike, incite something, and then we go to war of some sort because now we've kind of false flags.
rex jones
It's the fuck that shit policy.
Yeah.
Americans don't know anything about our government.
By and large, I mean, even us, like we need to, we know the Constitution better than we do and the Bill of Rights better than we do.
tim tompkins
Guarantee you.
rex jones
But most Americans don't even know what these things are.
Like they literally don't know they exist.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
And that's why, like, till the day I die with this show, man, I'm going to continue.
Like, every time we go on these shows and I see something out in the news, be prepared for me to like actually bring up some charts.
Be prepared for me to bring up some facts.
Be prepared for me to give you guys the medicine that either you will like or you will not like because it breaks your belief system.
And that's all this is about.
It's about breaking limiting beliefs.
rex jones
It's a bold statement, but I know you believe it.
tim tompkins
And I'm, I'm, dude, I was guilty of it through and through.
I literally lived in New York.
I was brainwashed with the whole liberal COVID Democrat slut shame you for not wearing a mask.
How dare you?
You're going to go kill grandma.
Like I've lived through that psyop that happened during that time period.
Now that I've come to an equilibrium after literally thinking that Trump was the solution and not having it, all my solution is that I know what to do is just give people a macro level argument.
You're going to hear me say that a million times.
What's the macro level?
What's the bigger argument?
What's the fourth order thinking of this thing?
What's really happening here?
And not enough shows are doing this.
And that's what's pissing me off in the mainstream media.
I go watch Fuentes, phenomenal speaker, very funny, cool dude, but he doesn't.
I know you're going to, you're, I know you're looking at me, but like, I see the Groyper in him sometimes come out to where he just has to like rage bait somebody and he's like, oh, you remember, did you ever remember that?
What's that?
rex jones
You're not talking about me, are you?
tim tompkins
What?
rex jones
No, you're not talking about the Groyper and me.
tim tompkins
No, not the Groyper and you.
I'm saying his Groyper side comes out.
And rather than sit the facts, he just kind of like decides to just pull something up that brings an emotional, but it's great for viewership.
It's great for hooking.
Well, I mean, look, we and everybody's guilty of that.
rex jones
To a certain extent, I agree.
Everyone is guilty to that.
I can't argue with that point honestly and in good faith.
Everyone is guilty.
tim tompkins
I'm not saying everything Fuentes puts out there is slow.
rex jones
Now, here's what I'm saying.
tim tompkins
It's dangerous, though.
No, I'm saying it's dangerous to make positions off of like partial information or half truth or half truth.
rex jones
Well, I don't see it that way.
I see it as someone where you can argue with his opinion.
You can say his opinion is flawed.
He's actually saying what he believes.
And I think a lot of the people, Nick Grouper, I think a lot of the people right now, especially people like my father and others, I think that they're making willful compromises to be okay with what's going on.
And I don't see Nick doing that, which is why I think Nick Fuentes is a hero.
tim tompkins
Yeah, he went on your dad's show today.
And here's the thing.
I would rather have Fuentes like speak his truth, go against the counterculture.
Like he has some, he's got some overlapping, overlapping beliefs with me.
And I like some of the stuff he does.
I'm just saying I made him as an example.
He's not the whole exact, like perfect outline of what I'm talking about.
I'm just saying in general, like Myron Gaines, I don't appreciate some of the narratives he puts out there.
Have you seen some of the wild shit that he talks about on some of those?
rex jones
For sure, for sure.
And I take your point.
I 100% understand what you're saying.
Like this is the culture and that is a problem.
I do get it when it comes to the problem.
And I can't even being online.
tim tompkins
And I can't even readjust my algorithm because the biggest platforms, this is the thing that gets you viewership.
And I cannot find enough.
rex jones
Well, you're just, you're very anti-the black pill.
tim tompkins
Yeah, man.
I'm so anti-black.
rex jones
You're trying to find solutions and then I'm sitting over here going like, wow, wow, everything's fucked.
But in the middle, we find the perfect solution.
tim tompkins
No, but here's the thing.
I used to be more on the black pill.
I'm not like truly white pill where I'm like, everything is great.
Life is good.
It's the thing.
I can be critical, but like what I want to start doing, like when I do these deep dives as well, is like start.
I'm literally going to start doing this.
I'm going to start talking at the end of these segments, explaining, okay, where's the solution?
Because I don't see enough people doing that.
I don't see enough people coming out with like, okay, we can complain about this, but like at the end of the day, no one's coming to save you.
rex jones
Yeah, let me let me talk about this for a second because I totally agree with that point.
And I think you touched on the absolute key at the end is that people don't actually propose solutions.
And I myself am intensely critical, but I do propose solutions for these things that I talk about.
I talk about ending the military engagement, ending, you know, the debt slavery, ending the inflation by doing actionable things that I've talked about and discussed here.
But my, my problem with it all is that we're putting these boxes.
We're putting this left-wing box, we're putting this right-wing box.
And we're told, this is your party.
This is your group.
These are the values that you sign up to support.
And there are only two camps and you must fight each other.
I look at you and I look at you as someone with a very unique political perspective.
You were someone that was liberal, Democrat, kind of in that ethos in that area, kind of in that culture.
And then you're someone that broke with that due to, you know, the cognitive dissonance of being like, hey, you're lying to me.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
Then you come over and you're kind of exploring kind of right-wing ideas and kind of the right-wing theology of the populist, right?
You're going, hey, I'm seeing a lot of the same stuff here that I had a problem with initially when I first got exposed to politics in depth.
Right.
My perspective is I consider myself to be a very right-wing guy, right?
Like I care about a lot of the traditional nationalist things that Quintes talks about.
However, on the alternative of that, I don't believe that we get to hold ourselves up as the hallmark of the people that are better than everyone.
And then we don't take care of the people that live here.
That's my biggest issue, right?
tim tompkins
You got to, you got to think about like your background, what you're, what system you were in.
Like you were on the boots on the ground when I was 11 years old.
I got to give you props.
I see these old videos and you're like out here doing man on the street.
You're interviewing people and you're kind of like doing, you know, the, you're like becoming the version of your father at that point.
Right.
rex jones
I would agree.
I would agree with that, but I take your point.
I appreciate the compliment.
What I'm trying to get across here, the point I'm trying to make is my views from then being kind of like Trump loving young Republican dude in a suit.
I was literally one of those dudes in the suit.
Like that's who I was.
Now going into a place where I have left-wing politics, like I believe in these things like universal healthcare.
I believe in childcare.
I believe that there shouldn't be these insurance companies that are middlemen and scam off people.
I'm actually anti-war.
And I look at these positions and I look at them and I say, hey, these actually back up the core identity of what all my positions were before, being pro-life, being pro-America, being pro-freedom.
Why is this considered left-wing and this considered right-wing?
It's really all just, we take stuff and we categorize it.
Instead of being good or bad, we tilt it on some scale that really means nothing.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
And I just had this like real epiphany.
Like what the solution is to all of this is just like you have different religions and they all say different things.
And there's like some religions that have some wild concepts that don't overlap.
And then there's some concepts that actually most religions have consistency about a specific narrative.
rex jones
It's called perennialism.
tim tompkins
Yes.
What you have to do, right or left, is you carve out the sections that make most common sense.
And we have to take the pieces of the good from each of them and mold it into something.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
That's that's ultimately what it comes down to.
Like, cause there's certain things from a from a conservative perspective that I'm like, oh, wow, this is really common sense.
And that's why I supported it.
And I really like that.
But then I didn't sign up for all of a sudden having these things come out to where I'm like, all right, yeah, let's eradicate all H-1B.
Let's ban these people.
Let's do like, I was like, ah, see, now you kind of lost me because I was like, yeah, no, no, don't just let 20 million people in here.
rex jones
Yeah, yeah, don't do that.
I think this is why most of the country doesn't actually vote.
I think that people actually do have a level of political consciousness and they look at these parties, they say, why would I do this?
tim tompkins
Why would I teach my kids transgender?
rex jones
Well, it's like signing up for a flag football league where every week the two teams compete against each other.
And instead of competing against each other, they all just run into a brick wall.
It's like, all right, it's Sunday.
Time to go hurt ourselves again.
Like that's what I see with American politic.
There's no real reason for any of it.
But we get into this.
tim tompkins
I just, all I'm saying at the end of the day, I beg for anybody who's sitting here watching this show tonight, as you're going around and consuming media, like please, please, please.
I'm not expecting you to do like what I do and spend hours on like these things.
And like I nerd out about some of this stuff.
I do this because I love you guys and I and I spend the time so that you guys don't have to do it for one.
But if there is a certain thing that sounds like pretty outlandish and the keyword of the month of the year is rage bait, most times it's going to probably be leaning towards that.
And you know, X's algorithm, Elon is talking about this now.
They're going to start adjusting the algorithm to start sifting through some of this rage bait content.
unidentified
scanning but that's but that is that is take over elon knows that this is kind of a problem and sometimes he contributes to it Look at this.
rex jones
It's a long audio clip.
Sorry.
I know you're trying to make a point.
unidentified
I bought it.
tim tompkins
Sometimes he contributes to this stuff without like really diving into the specifics.
Like there are some dark sides of society that he, you know, you just got to take that.
That's the way that it is.
But I'm just saying, like, look, you go watch your favorite media, whether you guys watch us, whether you watch his dad, whether you watch, you know, Fuentes.
Sorry, New Groper.
I still have a lot of love for you.
Doesn't matter who you are.
rex jones
Fuck that shit.
I'm a Groyper.
All right.
So he's in proximity right now.
Go ahead.
We love this.
unidentified
Just have a little bit of discernment.
tim tompkins
That's all we ask of you.
And just spend a little bit of time.
You know how easy it is to just like put a couple of things into AI.
Now, not everything AI is perfect, but it gives you closer to the answer.
rex jones
You use it to reference sources.
You do all of this.
tim tompkins
It gets you closer.
rex jones
I'm going to make a point.
I'm going to make a point right now.
Make a point.
For the viewing and listening audience, do you understand how rare this shit is?
Right now, you have two people sitting here who agree on some things, who disagree on other things.
We are actually just sitting in a room, giving our informed, but still giving our opinion.
These are our opinions.
We're not paid by Soda.
We're not paid by big ag.
We're not paid by big tech or the military industrial complex.
This is me and Tim, two Americans before anything else.
We're two Americans.
That's what the show is about.
This is the gray area.
We're an American show.
We're sitting here giving our unfiltered opinion.
And everyone else you watch is not doing that, or at least most of them are not.
Everyone else is doing something from a political lens where they're trying to appeal to one wing of the political faction.
We're here speaking our truth and you can disagree with it.
You can argue with it.
Hell, we argue with each other.
But at the end of the day, you don't get this with other shows.
tim tompkins
I think why they're doing that is because it's like in today's society, that is like the fastest way to grow.
Like, I'm not kidding.
People love negativity, right?
Like, that's the humans' natural abilities.
Like, we gravitate towards negativity.
So if you can say things that incite a little bit where you like, you have somebody say like some really triggering things, but then like also it's like something for you to rally behind.
It is the quickest way for you to build that cult following.
And I would rather spend a whole like five years growing super slow, speaking my truth about these things and just continuing to like give the truth to like, even if it's a small audience of 500 people.
Right.
I would rather do that.
Than to just jump on one of these bandwagon trains, because I was thinking about like, what do I do for my own content?
rex jones
Well, it's very simple tim, you put on the mega hat and then you cheer for the Endless War.
tim tompkins
Dude, I could literally be the black guy, the one very few like black guys, that the ones that lean super conservative.
Yeah, go out there, say a bunch of about black people, praise the white man, do all these things and like be like a mega Candace Owen, like 5.0, like where I just like not even not even Candace Owens, like like they they, I could supersede her exactly.
rex jones
Well, I mean not even that.
They don't even.
They don't even like her.
She's, she's too rogue.
I'm thinking of you as kind of like a black misfit patriot in this scenario.
Like misfit patriot is this guy and he's notorious for just being like a bootlicking.
Like I love the U.s government and like hey, I mean you're black, probably get paid more to do it, because you're appealing to the minority group they're trying to target.
It's targeting.
Yes, he'd be able to get paid, because the specific opportunity that you have to target that demographic they're going after.
It's predatory.
So we don't do that here.
This is not a predatory show.
This is, in fact, a show where we self-fund and self-support ourselves.
Let me tell you, putting the studio together I know it's not the most impressive thing in the world, but it's still cheap.
The internet bills, the cameras, the lights, the studio, the setup, all of it.
It wasn't cheap, guys.
And going forward, going into getting better guests, going into actually building news sites, going into building all this stuff we want to do in the future.
There's one way that we do that and you see it because it's in the header.
It's in the top of the live Primal core, go primalcore.com.
I've been involved with supplements for a decade.
I've been doing this since I was like 11, 12 years old.
Let me tell you right now, I am prouder of this brand than any other brand that i've ever been a part of, and that includes INFO WARS LIFE.
Why?
Because we did it right from day one and we're passing the savings on to you.
Let me tell you right now, we started with two products, Ultimate Ashwagandha and Elemental Drive.
Why did we do this?
Because we wanted the most effective combination stack and solo stack that people getting into supplements knew hadn't tried them before, could try and just immediately experience radical benefits.
Tim, you were someone that didn't have their first drink until your early 20s.
You were someone that's always been, or still are, someone super cautious about everything you put in your body.
Yes, talk about that.
tim tompkins
Yeah, I mean ultimately, when it comes to anything substance wise, i'm not a guy who normally would go and just take supplements, and it was because of things that i've had heard bad, bad in the industry and some of these synthetic stuff that goes on.
But when we went ahead and did something like this, I truly believed in something like this, because the brand was built around something like, if people have been doing it for thousands of years right, it still has to work today.
None of the stuff that's in any of the ingredients and i'm taking these currently because we just got our shipments in i'm super excited that we have everything in people who pre-ordered.
This stuff is coming to you guys already been shipped.
rex jones
If you pre-ordered, we've got a lot of pre-orders.
We appreciate everyone that's pre-ordered.
This is a very exciting thing because look, I explained to you and this is really the thesis behind the entire brand.
It's why we did it.
But from day one hey, you asked me what is a supplement?
I go hey, these are ancient plant medicines that have been used for thousands of years, and then that's what we have here.
tim tompkins
Yeah, because at the end of the day the doctor gives you a bunch of bullshit that like half the stuff gives you some chronic thing that you need to go take crazy And side effects, and people like will go and take the thing on the, on the, they'll go and take the drug that, like the guy speaks really fast.
You get asphyxiation and you get you you could die of suicide and all this other different stuff that you could see on the screen and goes by really fast.
But then these things like Ashwagandha, 3000 years ago, these people were using this.
rex jones
It's literally the it's literally top-rated traditional Chinese medicine, avertic medicine, all of it, you name it.
This is the best stuff.
People talk about adaptogens, they talk about functional mushrooms.
Ashwagandha is number one.
It's the king because it lowers cortisol like no other product seen.
tim tompkins
And the thing is, is like, I was like, all right, well, we need to build stuff that we would literally take.
judge andrew napolitano
Right.
tim tompkins
And that we want to build that same thing back to our audience.
rex jones
And that's literally the thesis.
tim tompkins
That's literally the thesis.
rex jones
I mean, like, and this is getting back to the Infowars days, getting back to me first starting to sell supplements.
That's what it's always been about.
It's about making products that we want to take ourselves and we want to give to other people because, like, my dad says this all the time.
It's true.
Hey, if I'm a chef at a restaurant, I want to serve the best food.
If I'm a drug dealer, I want the best heroin.
If I'm a supplement salesman, I want the best supplement.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
And the thing about this guys here, Rex and I and like one another in collaboration.
We didn't hire.
Yeah, we did not hire like a full team.
We don't have Big Lee supporting us.
We literally from the from Bigley.
rex jones
They're going to kill me.
tim tompkins
No, I love Bigley.
rex jones
They're going to kill me.
tim tompkins
I'm just saying we didn't have any support from a big conglomerate to help us create something like this.
This came from our brain, our ability to have one person help us with design work.
Right.
And like, I was literally the one that helped do the website, like the packaging.
You knew where to get it from.
Like we literally like assembled this together from our own sweat and bloods and put all of our effort.
It took us months to build something like this because we knew we wanted to make sure that there was no outside force to influence what went into these products.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
You literally, the manufacturer that makes these is in Dallas.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
It's local.
rex jones
Here's the thinking.
Yes, this is Made in America, made in Texas.
It's all the best.
Here is the supplement industry.
Let me explain it to you.
From 2021 to 2023, I met with some of the biggest manufacturers in the country.
And I had always kind of understood the industry, but I didn't understand how much of a scam it was until then.
I met with these old, rich boomers that had these trademarked ingredients that they'd paid a college 100 grand to do a study on.
And these people are literally drooling old, like wizard kings who have a booklet for $15 a unit price supplements.
They're trying to sell people.
And most people starting these brands, that's why they have $50, $60, $70 supplement blends compared to what we have, which is like a $30 product with top of that, that stack.
We're essentially able to offer a higher potency, higher quality on both accounts versus, you know, a trademarked or, you know, just something that someone paid a boomer to make.
We actually made this with our ingenuity being young people and understanding the modern supplement market.
So instead of paying for six trademarked ingredients that don't really do anything, we can make all these crazy claims.
We said, hey, what is the strongest thing we can sell?
What's the top adaptogen?
What's the thing people know?
What's the thing people love?
Oshwagandha.
All you need to know lowers your stress levels, lowers your cortisol hormone.
You have neurons in your brain that produce this thing called CRH, which then produces this thing called ACRH, which then produces cortisol downstream.
People don't know this about that process.
The same steroidogenesis that's used to make cortisol, because cortisol is a steroid hormone, is also used to make testosterone.
So when you take this, it lowers your cortisol.
And then that increased fuel can also go towards making testosterone.
But wait, there's more.
That's why we don't just have one product.
That's why we have two.
That's why we have them bundled together for years.
I have worked on various formulas that incorporate some sort of a multi-mineral element to them.
Power plant, for example, one of the ones from Alex Jones store that I gave to you or that I gave to you that has that quality.
This is that on steroids.
This is one, two, three, four, five, six different vitamins and minerals that are absolutely essential to testosterone, free testosterone, and nootropic support.
So, male, female, anybody, you name it, you need one or both of these products.
I would suggest you get both.
I would suggest you get the bundle, but let me just read to you what's in the multi-mineral.
Zinc as zinc picolinate, 25 milligrams.
That's the most absorbable form.
Boron as boron citrate raises free testosterone, just like zinc.
Zinc also raises total testosterone, eight milligrams.
Selenium, responsible for the synthesis of glutathione, master antioxidant in your body, also massively implicated in fertility studies.
You talked about the fertility rates before.
This is huge for that.
Copper to balance out the zinc.
A lot of people, I've seen this meme.
I've seen this story.
People go, I'm taking zinc, so I'm going to have huge loads.
This is what this is what people say.
I've seen it on Twitter.
It's all over the place.
Look, you take 50 milligrams of zinc for a month, you're going to be copper deficient.
You're going to encounter massive issues.
This is the only formula on the market that I have seen today.
I could be wrong, but as of this moment, as of today, saying this now, this is the only male mineral formula that addresses all these concerns.
And it's not only perfect for men, but it's perfect for unisex.
Anyone and everyone that wants to try it, I highly suggest try core mineral or elemental drive.
I highly suggest you try ultimate ashwagandha, and I highly suggest you pair them together.
Now, I've only been taking them together for four days.
And let me tell you, I'm already experiencing some benefits, some nootropic benefits, some stress benefits.
I'm feeling better in the morning.
Let me just leave it at that.
Tim, are you excited to really be on this long term?
tim tompkins
I am.
Honestly, like at the end of the day, I was like, I'm only, I'm only going to produce something that I'm going to take myself.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
And I'll be literally giving you guys real-time updates.
I'm not one of those people that's like, oh, let's experiment and stuff like that.
No, like super safe.
I know it's going to be good for me.
I'm excited for this.
These look fantastic.
I'm so glad that we have these now.
And I know people have asked me in the past, like, how can we support you?
How can we do things?
Like, somebody offered generously to like buy us equipment and stuff like that.
I was like, no, look, when we have something like this, this is the only thing that we would appreciate from your support.
Not just you guys viewing, because viewing is actually the ultimate support for us.
rex jones
That's right.
tim tompkins
This is really what comes down to what allows us to get better sets, better equipment, because I want to keep increasing the production quality.
I don't know about you, but 100%.
rex jones
We're going to look, we don't have anyone switching for us right now.
We're in this small studio.
We got big plans for gray area.
And look, like, if you're here watching right now, no, genuinely, I love you.
And I know Tim loves you too.
And we're appreciative of you being here.
And we're not trying to just sell you stuff that's garbage.
We're trying to sell you stuff that works.
I'm literally, I'm gobbling these pills myself.
And Tim is now too.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
And we're trying to create that 360 win.
unidentified
And yes.
rex jones
Oh, I love you, Tim.
There you go, right there.
tim tompkins
That's really what it comes down to it.
Like at the end of the day, I'm not, I'm, I'm, we're already running our own businesses right now.
This is this is literally purely for the love of the game and for you guys to get a better show and a better quality at the end of the day, as well as getting benefits for your body, because I know I'm deficient in a lot of stuff.
And I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that are also deficient in a lot of stuff.
And sometimes those deficiencies that you're talking about, simply taking something that's in these simple forms that you can take daily every morning allows you to actually compensate and you can start feeling those benefits because that's all you want to do.
rex jones
I took two ashwagandha pills and I took one elemental drive pill this morning on an empty stomach, just with some water, zero issue, zero stress on the gut, zero, you know, instability, just total absorption, total focus.
I noticed it about an hour in, especially from the ashwagandha.
I'm telling you, if you haven't tried ashwagandha before, Nick Fuentez takes ashwagandha.
tim tompkins
This is your cue.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
Like everyone takes it.
Everyone knows how powerful it is.
tim tompkins
And that code you're going to see is 25% off the store.
Use that core 25 as one word.
It should probably get rid of that space there, but use that code and you're literally going to be able to get 25 to get your first, your first order.
If you want to get this monthly, you can literally get this for 30% off, which is like, it's like comes out to like 25.
rex jones
If you love the show, if you love the show, subscribe.
Seriously, subscribe and get these products and try them out for yourself.
And hey, you don't like them, you can cancel.
But I almost guarantee you're just going to follow.
It's so incredible.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
But like I said, we really appreciate you guys tuning in with us tonight.
rex jones
We really do because you don't have to be here.
tim tompkins
Don't.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
And you choose to be here with us and you choose to hear us yap and talk and go through these subjects.
And just thank you.
Thank you for being here with us.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
And we're going to continue to bring you guys value regardless of whatever happens.
Next live will be Thursday.
We will definitely be doing that.
rex jones
Yes.
tim tompkins
I've been traveling a lot because I've had a lot of business stuff to take care of.
rex jones
That was deer hunting.
It's been Thanksgiving.
tim tompkins
And it's been Thanksgiving.
And so like we're back at it.
Yeah.
We're trying to get on that healthy schedule.
Unfortunately, I am going to be in Germany next week because I have to do this.
rex jones
I will hold it down.
tim tompkins
He will hold it down and do some solo shows.
rex jones
I will do the streams.
tim tompkins
But don't worry.
That Sunday special, I got something real nice and cooked up the next time I get on one of those Sunday specials.
So you guys better be tuned in for that, honestly.
rex jones
Indeed, we got a lot of fascinating topics coming up.
And, you know, just guest appearance-wise, we're working on getting new better guests for the Sunday show.
I mean, the guests we've already had were incredible.
We really want to do some debate streams.
I want to do some solo shows going forward.
There's so much to be excited about going on at the gray area right now.
And again, I'm just like, I'm just going to do it nonstop because I like to do it.
Thank you for being here.
Thank you for being the audience.
Thank you for being the people that are actually supporting the show.
And like we said, ad nauseum, you don't have to be here.
You chose to be here.
And like, we're choosing to be here with you.
Ultimately, if you weren't here, we'd just be two dudes looking at a camera, right?
Pretty much.
You're the person that makes this the show, whoever watches this.
So I tell you right now, if you like the show, not even telling you to buy the product, just subscribe.
Just follow us.
Follow Tim on X. If you're not going to buy the supplement because it's 29 bucks or whatever with the discount, at least follow Truism Tim on X. Come on.
Can you give us a win?
Can you give us a win, please?
So whether you buy the supplements, whether you like, follow, and subscribe, whether you retweet anything and everything you do to support the gray area is something that truly touches our hearts because this is something that we truly care about.
And like we can sign off after this.
I know you probably have one final point you want to make.
Just thank you to the audience.
And I can't believe we have the physical product here.
I'm so proud of it.
tim tompkins
I know.
Like whoever ordered this stuff, when you see it in person, you guys are going to be like, damn.
rex jones
Yeah, you're going to be very pleased.
tim tompkins
You're going to be very pleased because we didn't skip any corners when creating this or designing any of this.
We were like, you know what?
I want this to be cool.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
And I usually with supplement process and I've got numerous sites where I've sold supplements over the years, which is why like I can really speak on this.
My process usually is very point and shoot.
And Tim is someone that I've really seen how much Tim likes to refine processes and to make things efficient and to just make things the best.
And with this product and with the tweaking we did, especially to the elemental drive formula, Ashwagandha is just amazing on its own.
Like this took months and months of development.
This is the best stuff we can come up with.
And there's more coming down the pipe.
unidentified
More.
rex jones
So, like, you're going to want to check it out at least.
tim tompkins
And it's all going to be around that same concept: ancient remedies for modern life.
You're going to see we're going to be bringing back time tested things over and over again for you guys to get the same minerals that we are trying to support in your system.
rex jones
So, 100%.
tim tompkins
With that being said, I don't really have anything else left.
I actually enjoyed the segment tonight.
Good to be back on air.
We won InfoWars last time.
That was fun.
That was so fun, man.
I hope we get to go back on.
rex jones
I think we'll get more chances to do stuff like that.
And this is why ultimately, and just going to keep making the pitch again and again, this is why it's important to support the show.
Because if we're able to actually not just be in my house in this room, if we're able to have someone switch in, we're able to bring in a live guest, have somewhere for them to actually sit, have more cameras for them, actually have the material and equipment to build this show out.
It's going to be a juggernaut.
You're getting in on the ground floor.
tim tompkins
And you guys were responsible.
Look, when I tell you, I'm literally the new guy in town.
I could have never imagined in a million years that we would have the opportunity, that you would have the opportunity to host and I'd be able to co-host on a show that massive and be able to actually speak our truth without anyone censoring us.
And that's because you guys were there from the beginning, gave me the drive, gave him the drive just to keep being better and better and better and better to the point where like they trusted us at least to not ruin, you know, and shit to bed, you know, and I thought it was a great show.
rex jones
And that's it's exponential growth.
It's compounded upon itself over and over and over again.
Every time we do one of these episodes, we get better at doing it.
Every time we do research, we get better at doing it.
Every time we develop a new product, we get better at doing it because it's the Japanese philosophy of Kaizen, of small, dude.
tim tompkins
Oh my God.
rex jones
Right?
It's the Japanese.
I've always loved that.
I've always wow.
tim tompkins
I was not expecting that from you.
We use Kaizen all the time in engineering.
rex jones
But that's the philosophy, right?
We look at the thing, we say, hey, you can't overhaul or just make the most incredible thing at first.
Draw at once.
Hey, we film one episode of the gray area.
We film two.
We film our first live episode.
We film our first dozen live episodes.
We film dozens of them.
And then we get up to the level where we're actually good at presenting.
And we know that we have to build the audience.
We have to build that culture.
But hey, y'all are here with us right now.
We've already got a little community and everyone in that community.
tim tompkins
I love you guys.
rex jones
Yeah, we love you.
tim tompkins
You have no idea.
It literally gives me purpose right now is that I'm actually doing something and at least reaching somebody with the information of what I've been in my mind with for years and not been able to actually express.
rex jones
That's what it's all about.
And you know, for a lot of people, it's not about that.
For a lot of people, it is about making the money.
For a lot of people, it is about having the image.
For us, it's about finding a community of people that are actually interested in addressing and solving and figuring out the root causes of all these problems that we agree on.
That's what we have fun here on.
unidentified
Yeah, I could give two shits about the money, man.
tim tompkins
We run businesses.
rex jones
Other people, other people, they do the show to get the money.
We get the money to do the show.
All we want is positive expansion and the ability to actually build out and do what we need to do and get better guests in the media.
tim tompkins
Yeah, to get better guests and stuff and have help in that aspect.
Like all of it just builds on top of itself and compounds.
But like for us doing this in three months and you guys sticking around, it's incredible.
rex jones
It really is.
It's been a phenomenal experience to be with you all.
It's been a phenomenal experience to be with you all tonight.
We're going to go ahead and wrap up the gray area.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Tune in next Thursday.
I think I want to do a call in because we need to give you guys some love.
It's been a minute since we've talked to you guys.
rex jones
We need to do call in.
And then on Sunday, we should probably do call in plus guests, plus deep dive.
tim tompkins
I'm not here Sunday.
rex jones
I will do it all.
tim tompkins
I will.
I'll be watching.
I'm going to be watching.
Hey, you heard it here.
I will do it all.
You call him in 4K, guys.
rex jones
But thank you.
Appreciate it.
Thank you guys.
God bless and good night.
unidentified
Modern life has left us out of balance.
Long ago, it was once said, certain remedies could grant a man the vitality of a horse.
For over 6,000 years, these natural remedies have been harvested and tested by generations.
Why create complex formulas when nature's roots are still in our hands?
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