Flagrant - Andrew Schulz & Akaash Singh - Stylebender’s Fighting Future, Jon Jones Legacy, & Street Fighting

Nov. 20, 2024 - Flagrant - Andrew Schulz & Akaash Singh

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Stylebender’s Fighting Future, Jon Jones Legacy, & Street Fighting

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Izzy Schulz and Akaash Singh dissect Jon Jones' legacy, analyzing his recent loss to Michael Chandler due to a lapse in focus and debating potential matchups against Tom Aspinall or Stipe Miocic. They explore the psychological toll of defending titles, contrasting it with Izzy's pursuit of new thrills like bull running, while Mark shares insights on spiritual grounding through Nigerian naming traditions and ancestral connections. The conversation broadens to address anti-Semitism linked to the name Israel, mental health strategies from Schulz's documentary, and the complexities of modern dating, ultimately framing fighting as a passion-driven journey requiring resilience against both physical and societal pressures. [Automatically generated summary]
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The Bluetooth Pill Fight 00:05:56
	The guy who's about to fight you right now is on the purest form of fence at all.
	Like, he's got to know who you are.
	That's why he pulled up on me.
	I had a great morning.
	And then this guy, I think, because he saw my car, so he doubled back and just like, Izzy, one out.
	And in New Zealand, that's like you and me, one-on-one, let's go.
	And I started laughing.
	I was thinking, like, bro, I fight for millions.
	I'm not going to knock your ass out for free.
	And he goes, no, I fight for free.
	I fight for the streets, for my pride.
	And I was thinking, you're stupid.
	You're stupid.
	At the end, you see me spit at him and he just looks down like, and then I realize you're not going to do shit.
	If he spat back at me, then it's on.
	But again, I'm glad I had a good day.
	I don't like street fights.
	I don't like confrontation, but if you bring the problem, then I'm going to solve the problem.
	I realize this because it happened to Anderson, it's happened to Jones, it's happened to a lot of the greats.
	The longer you defend the belt, the less risk you take.
	Do you care about the Fricklin fighter?
	Come on, man.
	You want that back?
	Come on, man.
	I know me, and I know where I was during that fight week and all that.
	Now it's his time.
	It was his week.
	But the whole fight just felt like a weird dream.
	I know I'm going to be a great dad, but because I've talked to Alex about it before.
	You get.
	No, no, no, no, what's up everybody?
	Welcome to the flavor.
	Yo, I'm saying this.
	I don't know if this is based on anything, but I think that you might be the most recurring guest that we've had.
	Gotta be time.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You got Salbender in the older.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You need an orb, man.
	I'll just throw that.
	Yeah, we need to give you something.
	Or maybe a Bluetooth pill or something.
	Yeah, is that a Bluetooth pill?
	I don't know.
	Should you take it now?
	No, we just see what happens.
	I'll pop on with you.
	Let's go have it.
	Yeah, guys.
	I'll take it.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, we won't do that.
	We won't do that.
	We'll leave it.
	Listen, bro.
	First of all, we missed you.
	It's great to see you again.
	It's a lot of growth as well.
	Even just as we've been here.
	Shout out to Blue Chew.
	We got to say something else.
	It's very important because, Mark, you already spilled the beans, but we can say it.
	We brought Israel out of Sony on the podcast to say, congratulations, Mark.
	Thank you, guys.
	Mark got a baby.
	Mark had a little baby boy.
	My name's here.
	Yeah, it's awesome.
	Do you have a name locked in yet?
	We have a name.
	Okay.
	We have a name locked in.
	You're going to reveal it now or it's only an asset.
	I don't want people are going to look him up.
	You're going to steal his identity and shit.
	You know what I mean?
	Nobody give a fuck.
	What do you think you're locked in?
	I don't think he's Andrew.
	Okay, so you want to keep the name private.
	Steal the feature of your identity.
	Does it even have a birth certificate?
	Like, what is that?
	That's the thing.
	No, he was born at home, so we had to forge it.
	Yeah, not even water, just air.
	Fire.
	You just caught it like a football?
	Yeah, she pulled out like, she was standing.
	She was like kneeling.
	She was kneeling.
	And I was behind her, and then she was just like, that's one of those things where you're just in the moment and then you just hear dunk.
	And you're like, was I supposed to sign up?
	For real?
	Was it like a like just happened randomly, or you were prepared?
	And that was how you guys were mentioning it.
	No, she's a midwife that does home birth.
	So she was like, this is how I want to do it.
	But I was afraid.
	I thought it was going to be a butt fumble situation.
	I thought I was going to slip out.
	Who's on first?
	Okay, wow.
	Okay.
	So you're a dad now.
	Yeah, it was awesome.
	During the labor, buddy now.
	Yeah, daddy.
	Daddy.
	I stubbed my toe during the labor.
	Oh, it must have been so hard for you.
	Oh, man.
	It must have been dirt during the labor.
	I swear to God, bro.
	Like, she's having a contraction, and she's like, yo, I gotta go pee.
	I gotta go to the bathroom.
	So I was like, all right.
	I'm like guiding her over and then I hit my toe on the side of the bed, my pinky toe.
	Like, that's the worst one to hit.
	Yeah, of course.
	And so I take her over.
	You've been hitting the pinky toe.
	Heaps.
	Connor pulled out the fight with Michael Chandler because of his family.
	But now he's dead.
	Now you're on the same line.
	Exactly.
	As a fighter.
	Relatable.
	So we went into the bathroom and I'm like standing there like Wincing, like standing on my toe, like and then she has a contraction.
	Oh no.
	And then she looks at me and she's like, what's wrong?
	What's wrong?
	And I was like, nothing.
	You're doing great.
	And I had to push it down in that moment.
	But I told her after once the baby came out.
	Once the baby was out.
	Yeah.
	She understand.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	She got me ice and made food and stuff.
	You got to keep them working.
	The real one.
	They get a little bored if they're not still working every second.
	Yeah.
	Oh, when are you going to have some babies already?
	Me.
	I don't know.
	When maybe I already have some.
	Hell no.
	China was wild, bro.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	When you're in China, do you just shoot them up?
	Nah, it's not even math.
	Just it was a different time.
	I was younger and less responsible.
	Yeah.
	But I don't feel like you're a condom guy.
	I am now.
	I love it.
	I don't know why I'm following.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, I'm responsible.
	I'm a responsible person.
	You're irresponsible.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But in China, you could go.
	I mean, they were born after birth in China.
	Wait, they do what?
	I mean, they'll kill the baby.
	Oh, yeah, true, yeah.
	If they already have a kid, then you know, you're only allowed one.
	But they're also going to know who the daddy is.
	Yeah, straight away.
	Yeah, straight away.
	I mean, even if he knocks on my door, I was like, Is there a designer?
	I'm like, oh, no.
	It's in the eyes.
	You know straight away.
	But the eyes he gets from the wild.
	But I mean, but now you're disciplined, you're responsible.
	Yeah, I am.
	You have a chef.
	Yeah, he's actually the man.
	Yeah, he's the man.
	He's the man.
War Always Comes Home 00:13:56
	Good peoples.
	He's actually been a chef for like what almost 17 years.
	But have you corrupted him yet?
	Yeah.
	Oh, he corrupted me.
	What do you mean?
	With good, delicious food that's great for me.
	Oh, no.
	So he's my first friend when I lived in this town called Wanganui.
	I want to know what type of corruption you were just talking about.
	So when I moved, my guy was a little bit different.
	You know the chef, you're crazy.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, no, because I moved to Whanganui as a kid.
	I was a virgin, good boy, no alcohol, didn't drink nothing like that.
	But they're hanging out with him and our group of friends.
	I was put it this way.
	A couple ditty parties?
	No, no, no, no.
	Hell no.
	I was the getaway driver for them doing like mailbox, you know, hitting cars, windows, that kind of stuff.
	Wow.
	Like, what was 17, 18?
	And I was always living vicariously through them as they did.
	Some New Zealand is really progressive.
	That's what I was just thinking.
	You would choose the black guy to drive the car.
	Yeah, I chose that.
	They wouldn't let the black guy stay around because you're getting pulled over immediately.
	We promised we didn't rob anything.
	No, you were just driving black.
	Also, like a soccer mom van, so it was, you know, could fit a lot of people, but incognito.
	Not like a fucking Subaru or anything like that.
	Yeah.
	But no, yeah, he's good peoples.
	I like having people like that around me because, again, I've talked about this now.
	Yeah.
	I got this far with just eating the dirty shit Uber eats.
	And then now I actually eat whole foods, good meals.
	Like my last flight.
	I felt like I was like, we said you look shredded.
	I was.
	Lost some muscle.
	The way coat was easy.
	Yeah.
	So yeah, thanks to him.
	And now we're going to just pick up where we left off because you want it again, huh?
	Yeah.
	You want it bad.
	You had it.
	I thought it was your ZZ.
	Well, that's the game though.
	That's how you do it.
	You said you made a small thing.
	You like made a small mistake.
	You never spoke on the mistake.
	What was the can you say that?
	So the mistake was just a lapse in focus because I tripped bad footwork and I tripped.
	And then that's when he was kind of throwing at me.
	And people thought, oh, you heard him.
	And I got up and I was like, the ground.
	And then DC was like, he's doing the Max Holloway.
	But I was kind of just being like, nah, the ground, even that moment right there, I shouldn't have.
	Just stay focused on a task at hand because you need 30 minutes of focus while you're in there.
	So you can't even just have a lapse in judgment for a split second.
	Because if not, someone can jump on you and capitalize.
	And I've done that to people as well.
	But this guy, I mean, got done to me.
	So, wait, what do you mean?
	You point at the ground and that's when he lunged to you?
	Yeah, because again, I was just telling him, like, it wasn't you, it was the ground.
	I tripped.
	I tripped.
	But he's saying, even explaining himself, who gives a fuck?
	Just focus on the fight.
	You don't explain yourself.
	You never see me in a fight complain to the ref unless like when Brunson really grabbed my shorts for the second time.
	And I was like, ref, that's twice.
	But you never see me kind of like lose focus.
	I just focus on a task at hand.
	But yeah, in that moment, I lost focus.
	And that was it for me at the time.
	Yeah.
	Outside of that, anything surprising?
	Nah, because I, you know, the strength was something it was, oh, he's so much this, he's so much that.
	But I felt strong in there again.
	Shout out, Matt.
	Yeah.
	So I felt really strong.
	I felt fast.
	If you do the numbers, like my guy, Bill Smart, did the numbers.
	He said that was the most active I've ever been in any of my fights in the US.
	Yeah, it felt like the pace was high.
	Yeah, so I was putting the pace on him.
	So again, you know, took time off, came back, felt great.
	That's the main thing.
	I felt great when I was fighting.
	So now we're going to build.
	We did my testing about four weeks ago now, three weeks ago.
	So we've got the numbers.
	We're like, cool, we are where we were four weeks out from the fight.
	So it's like, cool, let's build up from that.
	I'm going to build off.
	Okay, so what do you want?
	Like, what is your ideal next couple of years?
	If everything goes the way I actually have no idea.
	That's the thing.
	And it's nice to know that.
	And I was even telling Rogues this.
	I've never felt that when people talk about, say, you know, I lost the belt.
	Like, Matt Hughes was one of the first people I heard.
	Who's my chef's name, by the way?
	Matt Hughes.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	But Matt Hughes, the legend, UFC icon, was the first one I heard talk about when he lost the belt.
	He felt this pressure come off.
	Like, oh, I'm not the champ anymore.
	But I've never felt that because I was a champ for so long.
	And then when I lost it in MSG, it was kind of like, fuck, let's do it again.
	And then it wasn't until even when I lost it to Strickland, I still felt like, you know, that target on my back, and it still is.
	But after this fight, I was kind of like, well, man, like, I wasn't attached to the result.
	I just wanted to show off.
	I wanted to fight.
	And I did.
	So now I'm in a spot where it's like, who do I fight?
	When do I fight?
	Because I'm only doing main events, five rounders, and title fights.
	That's all I've done for the last how many years?
	But it's kind of nice to just not have that be the focus now, but now just fight, show off, make money.
	But we'll see.
	I'm excited.
	Where do you get like, where do you get the motivation now?
	Like, you've beaten everybody.
	You've become the biggest star in the sports.
	You've made all the money.
	You've taken care of your family.
	You made it, you know.
	We need more.
	See, that's the thing.
	The war always gets done.
	The war always gets there.
	Right.
	You buy one car.
	You're like, that other car is nice too.
	Once the lifestyle steps up, there's other things you want.
	But you've made enough money where you're good.
	Your family's good.
	Like everything is good.
	And you've achieved, I imagine, all the dreams you had when you were younger within UFC.
	Yeah.
	Is there this moment where, and I'm asking because there's like a thing that I kind of relate to in my sphere of work, but it's like, is there a moment where you have to decide to make new dreams to get yourself up every day to put in the work to achieve what you achieved?
	I haven't said even getting a submission right now would be meaningful to me more than getting a belt for the third time.
	So that's the thing.
	It's like, you have to find things you haven't done yet.
	Because you all always said from the beginning, the first time that we had you on, you were like, I don't care about the belt.
	Yeah.
	The belt doesn't define me.
	Now, I'm sure it's nice to have the fucking to wear a crown.
	It's whatever.
	I got a couple at home.
	They just sit there.
	They don't go away.
	But yeah, so that's why when you say right now, like, I didn't really care about the belt, like, I believe you.
	Yeah, because I said it from the jump, and I'm glad you remember that.
	Yeah, but now it's just again, highlights, cool shit.
	Yeah.
	Like, again, when I was fighting, I realized this because it happened to Anderson, it's happened to Jones, it's happened to a lot of the greats.
	The longer you defend the belt, the I'm not speaking for those guys.
	I'm saying the longer you defend the belt, the less risk you take.
	Because you see, the way I was fighting, like one of the examples I gave was my Brad Tavares fight, you know, end of round one.
	Cool.
	I hear the clapper 10 seconds left.
	I said, I'm gonna try.
	I mean, I reroll.
	I landed in training quite a lot, but I've never ever tried it in a fight.
	So I was like, let me try that shit.
	Did it just miss because my hips weren't high enough.
	And then I got up and I was like, come on.
	But again, shit like that.
	Trying the when you have the belt longer, you stop doing that.
	Yeah, I gotta defend the belt.
	Yeah, it's not just about me.
	It's about, you know, when I win and I have the belt, there's a lot of people that eat.
	So, you know, it just slowly, and it's not, it's not on purpose.
	It's something that just happens.
	Like I said, with Sylvia, I've seen it as a fan and with Jones as well.
	I've seen it.
	But then now I'm kind of free of that.
	I'm just like, and I know I'm good and all that.
	So I just want to go back to just taking more risks, being fun, being a highlight dude.
	Like I said, it get less fun as you have the belt longer and longer.
	Certain fights.
	There was one, Marvin Victoria Part 2.
	When I was in there, maybe round three, and you hear, I don't know if it's on the fight, but I heard Twister, one of my coaches, just like, don't get bored, Izzy.
	Don't get bored.
	And I caught myself like, oh, yeah.
	But again, I didn't realize it because I'm in the fight, but he saw it in my eyes and my demeanor.
	It was a very dominant performance.
	Yeah.
	But he could see it though.
	And maybe round three or four, he could just see it.
	I was just like, this is boring for him.
	That seems like the beginning of starting to like not lose it, but starting to be like, oh shit, it's coming down the road.
	He might lose.
	This one, it's still easy.
	But that means you're probably not going to train quite as hard for the next fight.
	And then if you win that one, you're going to train even less hard for the next fight.
	And eventually, it will catch up to you.
	You never got a road rage knockout?
	Amen.
	We're going to talk about highlights.
	So when I saw you square up, I was like, this, the guy who's about to fight you right now is on the purest form of fentanyl.
	Yeah.
	Because there's no way, like, he's got to know who you are.
	All right.
	That's why I pulled up on me.
	So I had a great morning training.
	Yeah, yeah.
	What's the story?
	You had a delicious breakfast.
	Matt's not going to be a good one.
	Yeah, delicious.
	Not even Matt was, I think it was in Thailand at the time.
	Okay.
	So I had good morning training.
	Vibes was on.
	Went to K-Road to get this pie, like a famous pie on there.
	And I was just like, vibes was on, just chilling.
	And then this guy, I think, because he saw my car, so he doubled back and just like look at me like, Izzy, one outs.
	And in New Zealand, that's like one outs is like, you and me, one-on-one, let's go.
	What?
	That's crazy.
	What?
	Then I started laughing and I was thinking like, the fuck?
	And people who were taking photos with me and stuff were like, the fuck.
	And I just kept on walking.
	And then the bit where it pissed him off because he was at the green light, everyone going around him, honking their horns like this fucking guy.
	Yeah.
	And then I went, I just grabbed my car and I went.
	And that pissed him off.
	So he just came in front of my car.
	And I said, bro, I'm not going to fucking whoop him.
	Why did that piss him off?
	Just because you're flexing the belt.
	My car guard does the scissors.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	If a guy just walks up to you, he's like, yo, let's shoot the fair one.
	And you're like, bro, my car does this.
	Exactly.
	That's what he called suicide north.
	He was trying to fucking end it.
	Yes, sir.
	No, but then he pulled up and then like tried to like talk all this rash to me.
	And at one point, I even tried to defuse it because I was like, bro, I don't know you.
	What's the craziest thing he said?
	When I said, bro, I fight for millions.
	I don't fucking fight.
	I'm not going to knock your ass off for free.
	And he goes, nah, I fight for free.
	I fight for the streets for my pride.
	And I was thinking, you're fucking stupid.
	You're stupid.
	Was he a white guy?
	Nah, Maori guy.
	He was brown.
	See, that's the problem I had when I first moved to New Zealand.
	I couldn't tell the difference between all of them.
	It wasn't because of racist.
	So you went to China.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Hard mode.
	So go fuck that.
	Imagine I got there.
	But then in the end, I just as when I spat at him was when I was kind of like hoping, try something.
	Oh, but then at the end, you see me spit at him.
	He just looks down like, and then I realize you're not going to do shit.
	But also, because of our boy, like, you remember the movie when our boy got knocked out?
	Yeah.
	Street violence.
	And I just realized if I drop this guy right now, they're going to fucking put me through the rain.
	These are weapons now.
	Oh, yeah.
	They be weapons.
	So for me, I was just like, nah, just, and again, we started a charity, Walk Without Fear, to help with this kind of sentences street violence.
	Because a lot of these guys, the boy that, the boys that killed my boy, they did home detention for I think a year and a half.
	And during that year and a half, we all had lockdown for six months in that time.
	So again, we all did it together.
	So what's the, and not be around free family?
	You're like, we also had home detention.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So again, we're trying to change the laws with that charity.
	And this video, I believe, will help because it shows the discipline of someone like me.
	Yeah.
	Because do that to Dan Hooker.
	Dan is like, Dan's is a beast.
	And Dan would probably act differently and maybe, maybe not knock him out, but just put him to sleep, hang him out.
	Yeah.
	But still.
	How does the video end?
	Because it's like it just seems like it was still going on.
	If you go to the end, you'll see me just spit at him.
	And then when I slam my car door down, I was kind of just like.
	That's when you were.
	Yeah, that's when he got pissed.
	Yeah.
	But when I was driving off, he had his shirt off and he was still flexing.
	And again, people, only one person, like when I said, can you call the cops?
	One person helped me.
	Everyone else just had their camera off in this moment.
	So they see me spit at him.
	Dan looks down and I got angry.
	But then when what's happening right now?
	He just didn't do shit.
	But what are you thinking right now?
	I was like, I spat at you on your leg.
	If he spat back at me, then it's on.
	But again, I'm glad I had a good day.
	And I don't like, I don't like street fights.
	I don't like confrontation.
	But if you bring the problem, then I'm going to solve the problem.
	Okay.
	Okay, real quick.
	So in this moment, you're thinking, all right, do I knock this guy out?
	If I knock him out, does he die?
	Is there ever a thought like the average person would go, what if this guy knocks me out?
	Do you eat?
	Okay.
	So that's not even.
	He's like, no.
	Most of us would be thinking, damn, I'm about to get knocked out when I just had a break breakfast.
	I just put my pies in the car, took my watch off, and I was just like, look, if he breaches the range, because I'm within my rights and he's within range.
	I was just thinking of foul.
	I was just like, man, if he hits his head, because it's down the hill, it's more gravity.
	He's going to bleed out.
	And I probably wouldn't be here right now.
	I want that type of confidence to be worried about killing another person.
	I'm not fighting, right?
	I was just thinking of foul the charity and him dying.
	What if you just slapped him, got another Dana White contract?
	Yeah.
	Slapping his face all heavy.
	You joined a different Dana White League.
	Yeah, I told him I was getting paid millions to fight.
	You're not getting paid like that to fight.
	Why haven't any UFC guys or boxing guys entered that?
	Paige Van Zent did.
	She's doing her second fight soon, I think.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, she has, but that's she's crazy.
	I'm saying like guys that are no longer professional.
	Yeah, I mean, we need like some big Puerto Rican lesbian.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, that's wow.
	Yeah, you close.
	But these, yeah, you should go power slap too.
	I'm not doing that.
	I'm not doing that.
	Damn, that's actually sore.
	Do you think his motivation was just trying to get paid?
American Meme Culture 00:02:02
	Because we don't have those laws in New Zealand.
	I think in his head, again, he's not caring about pay because he fights for the streets, fights for his pride.
	But the guy filming kept on going to you or to him?
	I don't know.
	So I don't know.
	It feels like it was a setup.
	The life tour, last show.
	We're wrapping up the life tour.
	Year and a half.
	We've went on tour, gone to almost every fucking continent and this planet.
	We are wrapping it up in Hawaii, Honolulu.
	Blidesdale, Bladesdale.
	I don't even know how to pronounce it, Arena.
	We'll see you guys all there December 21st.
	Appreciate y'all so much.
	Peace.
	Also, guys, dates.
	December 4th, Long Island sold out.
	I told you it would.
	November 22nd and 23rd, comedy at the Carlson, Rochester, New York.
	Still got tickets available for that.
	December 6th and 7th, still got tickets in Albany.
	See y'all soon.
	How much are taxes out there in New Zealand?
	Not as much as New York.
	Really?
	Really?
	What do they take?
	If I'm going to... David Keynes, it's like $40 for my marginal tax rate.
	But my bracket is like, it goes up now.
	About 33%.
	Oh, wow.
	Now, question.
	Do you have to pay American taxes when you fight here?
	10,000%.
	But then you get like a rebate.
	Yeah, so you go back and be like, yeah, did it.
	Yeah.
	Which helps, but still.
	Because America needs that.
	We need that pound of flesh.
	And you can't make money out here without us making money.
	You want to know crazy?
	If you're an American citizen.
	What?
	Just give me the money.
	What?
	Italians?
	No, no.
	Fuck are you doing that?
	You don't get it.
	I don't get it.
	That's what I realized.
	I just, bro.
	No, no, no.
	I couldn't do that.
	No, no, no, you're lucky right now.
	It's a meme right now.
	It's a meme right now.
	I just see the, I don't get it.
	You don't get the meme.
	Maybe give me the money.
	Yeah.
	Have you seen it?
	Show me the money.
	That one.
	No, give me it.
	You know what I'm talking about?
	Cuba Goon.
	Cuba Goon Jr.
	No, you're talking about something over there.
	Wow.
	We all don't get it.
	So maybe I'm.
	Yeah, I'm right.
	Give me the money.
Giving Money to Jews 00:08:04
	Yeah.
	But then the third person.
	Give me the money.
	So I'm not ending it all laughing.
	I'm like, what is Anderson?
	But what is this about?
	Give me the money.
	You're asking the wrong guy.
	I just made a joke about it, but still, I've just seen it all over TikTok, all over the reels, seen famous people do it on Shade Room and shit.
	I'm just like, I don't get the funny.
	Yeah.
	So I guess we're over.
	Mark, have you?
	Explain it.
	Okay, Mike.
	You tell everyone, okay, we're going to say, give me the money.
	And then everyone cheers.
	And then the last person isn't in on the joke.
	And they do it.
	Each person does it more and more exaggerated.
	And the fourth person to do it or the last person to do it, no one cheers and everyone laughs at them.
	It's kind of funny.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's kind of funny.
	Let me see.
	I mean, maybe I had to be there.
	It's like bullying.
	What is this?
	Is this the one?
	Mark.
	Give me the money.
	Just did I do it?
	I guess so.
	All right.
	Close enough.
	Yeah, we all, we passed the trends.
	Is it Gen Z?
	Mark's on thing.
	I'm on Ask G.
	And Jeeves doesn't know shit.
	What was the?
	Okay.
	You have the baby.
	Everything's done.
	What was the first time?
	He just nodded his head.
	He thought you were talking to him.
	I'm engaged.
	I'm engaged.
	So you have the baby.
	Okay, like, okay.
	What was the first time you picked up your phone and looked at Instagram or social media while your kid was still in the room?
	Oh, it was like, it's probably like that next day.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And then some OnlyFans girl popped up.
	And I was like, yo, I can't.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I can't watch this with my child.
	But it's crazy how you gotta get him prepped.
	There is like, it's funny because you'll go through a day where you're like, I don't need any of that shit.
	And then like your phone's just sitting over there.
	The baby's kind of sleeping.
	You're just like, let me look at this.
	That's how I felt when I posted.
	Like the engagement was crazy.
	I was like, I gotta drop a merch or something.
	Like, there's a market with this.
	Yeah, but yeah, no, you think you're like, yeah, I'm just gonna be a disciplined, good person forever now.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I'm gonna be a great guy.
	Yeah.
	And then just slowly wears away.
	Mark's wife wrote this beautiful thing.
	She'd been writing journal entries, right?
	And but it was like this beautiful thing.
	And like, but he didn't say that it was his wife who wrote it.
	So here's this picture of it.
	I'm scrolling the picture.
	I'm like, oh my god, it's adorable of pictures.
	And then it comes to like a note.
	And I got through like three words and I was like, I can't read this shit before I go do shows.
	Like, I cannot experience this level of homosexuality.
	I would have to call him getting emotional.
	Like, yo, bro, it's beautiful.
	You finally have feelings.
	Like, it was in the description.
	It was in the description.
	I said she wrote it.
	It was just such a long description.
	I didn't read the description.
	I clicked see more and I was like, okay, Mark's emotional.
	I'll see more.
	And it was like, that was like a quarter of the post.
	And I was like, bro, we're not doing this.
	This is word limit.
	It's like a newspaper article.
	I need a thousand words max.
	That's it.
	But this is good.
	You should share.
	This is beautiful.
	Yeah, no, there's emotions online for sure.
	Also, like you going from being addicted to Zen for like two weeks and having no emotion at all, like being an actual robot to having every emotion in the world.
	That's the way to do it.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Strip yourself of all emotion and then just.
	Do you even know what my girl said when she was having a baby come out of her and all of a sudden she suddenly cracks the can?
	And then you're like, it's for you.
	She goes, Are you doing a Zen right now?
	And I was like, Yeah, I've been up for 24 hours.
	How about you pick up the pace?
	And I don't even give as many Zins.
	Okay, yeah, I don't have these contractions that keep me up.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Ugh.
	Damn, bro.
	You sure you're doing with kids, dude?
	Nah, well, eventually.
	No, I can't wait.
	I know I'm going to be a great dad, but you can't go looking for this.
	Because I told Alex about it before, and you know, he's seen like this.
	Yeah.
	You're getting, you're getting.
	They call him the magician.
	Oh, the oven cleaner, I heard.
	Who said that?
	That was you.
	He said this.
	God, he was getting dating advice.
	We're talking about it before.
	And I said, like, these are jokes.
	Yeah, jokes.
	Yeah, just for me.
	I'm sure you've been there as well.
	You guys have been there.
	You're that like, it's you have to not look because then you attract the wrong thing.
	Just chilling, the right thing will come to you.
	So me, I just focus on myself being the best version of myself.
	Yeah.
	And then eventually you just want to do that.
	I'll try the best version of myself.
	You can go get baptism.
	Just look at himself for too long because Dove's been doing that and he's nowhere even close to getting a girl.
	He wants me to do it.
	We talked about it last night.
	I know.
	He talks about it every single time.
	He just oh, introduce me to a Jewish girl.
	Give me the money.
	And then it never fucking happens.
	Okay.
	Want to tell him what you said to me then?
	About that.
	That you dated a Jewish girl?
	Oh, no, I didn't say I dated a Jewish girl.
	I said I am.
	His name's Israel.
	I said I had a Jewish friend that I can, yeah, I can hang out with, but then he said, no, you're not allowed to do that.
	I'm not allowed to do that.
	My name's Israel.
	So it's fine.
	Just one of those.
	That's what I said.
	So it's fine.
	And also, I go approval now.
	Where, where, where, where?
	So you just knocking down some nice Jewish broader New Zealand?
	No, This is here in New York.
	Damn, you already take one.
	My own friend.
	Fill those shoes.
	Show him take one.
	If she's Izzy, she doesn't watch.
	She does watch.
	Oh my god.
	That's not even that.
	It's the fact that, you know, Dub even knows he's a low-key pimp.
	He's out here.
	He's got.
	I know.
	He's like, what do you need?
	What do you need?
	He's like, what do you need?
	Let me know.
	What's your type?
	What's your type?
	I'm like, I was like, he's pimping.
	He's pimping.
	He's a bad person.
	I'm trying to make a trick.
	I'm not trying to do that.
	I'm a matchmaker.
	Oh, I see.
	I see.
	I heard that moment.
	You were trying to like, hey.
	Yeah, why wouldn't you just throw women's bodies around?
	That's disgusting.
	They have feelings.
	You know, they want to be spoken to and cared about.
	Yeah.
	No, just saying.
	Yeah, but no, Dub is like masterful with Brazilian girls with like a 72 Brazilian.
	I respect any Brazilian that has that accent because they're actually retarded.
	That's a cup of teeth.
	Exactly.
	Wow.
	That is his fucking cup of tea.
	Don't let him tear us apart.
	I'm just saying.
	They're not Brazilian, bro.
	No, they're not.
	They're not actually.
	He says that.
	They're these girls.
	They always come on their phone.
	They're like, how are you doing?
	And they're like, he's like, no, they're from real.
	They're not from real.
	Yeah, they're from me.
	Oh, that's tough, dude.
	Well, at least you're not racist like Miles.
	I'm not even in this.
	No, I'm just joking.
	But not at all.
	Listen, Miles went home.
	He had no electricity.
	He goes, I don't know how people live like this.
	We're like, what are you talking about, dude?
	Wait, what happened?
	When was this?
	I flew home to go see my parents and then Florida.
	And then I hurricane.
	I was going to say, like, fucking South Africa or something crazy.
	Dude, that'd be so sick.
	I was international.
	How cool?
	Why?
	Because they impressed black people.
	I just want to be not.
	I don't say this thing.
	It's actually a really funny character.
	Like a not racist person, but that just says racist every single time.
Nobody Believes the Radar 00:05:07
	Yeah, you would like that.
	Yeah, sorry.
	Dude, way to bring up fucking South Africa, man.
	Come on, dude.
	That's your pupils, man.
	Yeah, that's your people's.
	Are you and him cool?
	Yeah, we're cool.
	After the fight, we had a nice discussion.
	Yeah, it was cool.
	Was that a private thing?
	You share that?
	You killed that private.
	It was cool.
	Just like a moment.
	And at the end, he just said, if you're ever in South Africa, you know, tap in.
	I was like, yeah, sure.
	And I said, when we see again, I'll try and kill you.
	And he goes, I'll try and kill you too.
	And I did this shit.
	And this is why I'm not beating those allegations because I went, hey, yes, yes.
	Well, he laughed and then just like we just hugged him.
	That was it.
	I thought it was a good moment.
	Yeah, he seems like the textbook like troll where he will talk all kinds of shit before the fight and then after the fight, the most humble, nice.
	That's how most fighters are.
	There's only some who take it to that place and then like keep it like that after the fight.
	But nah, we're all on the same journey.
	And again, he's achieved his dream now.
	Yeah.
	No matter what, I even was the recent one I saw was Murab in Georgia when they're hailing him.
	Oh man, that was crazy.
	So whenever I see that, no matter what, it makes me feel aware because I'm like, yo, I know that feeling.
	Yeah.
	I've done that too.
	Yeah.
	So it's, it's, yeah, you can, if I hate on that, what does that say about me?
	100%.
	Yeah.
	So I always respect.
	Sorry, do you find yourself?
	I know before the fight, you're saying, like, this is real.
	I'm whatever.
	Do you find yourself having to get to that place and like build up to that place?
	Or is it does it get harder as you get more successful to find that extra gear?
	Kind of what we talked about earlier, but to find that, you know what?
	I need to hate this guy because then I'm going to lock in like I used to lock in.
	Nah, it can.
	That was real, but it doesn't get harder unless, say, like Jeff had my friend had this stat saying, like, whenever you fight someone, you don't really have any static.
	You fight different, even if you beat them.
	but whenever i have beef with someone i i announced i annihilate them normally so yeah uh as i get older now i'm thinking about it i'm like i might have to tap into something else just to get that or not fight from that place yeah that's you know what i mean there's a ceiling on that kind of like there's only so much but not everybody can fight from a different place yeah like you fight from one place your entire life that is your motivation and then you get to You know,
	you get to a time in your life where like you're, you feel really achieved, like that giant hole that you have that you're trying to fill.
	Yeah, but it's less big.
	Izzy, knowing you for the last, however long we've known each other, five years or something like that.
	Longer even.
	Your level of confidence in yourself.
	I think people always assumed you were the most confident person.
	And even now, seeing the way that you've handled that, like this loss, like to me, that's the demonstration of confidence.
	That's real confidence.
	Because if you lose and then you're completely wiped out, that means that your confidence and identity is wrapped in being the victor.
	And we will not always be the victor in life.
	So whatever that lady in the Winnebago is telling you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, she's right.
	Jenna.
	Yeah.
	So yeah, we talked about it as well.
	Talk about, and I used the avatar Zuko, the firebender, when he became friends with Aang.
	And then he had to find a new way to fireban because he didn't have that anger anymore.
	And he met the original firebenders, the dragons, and they relearned firebending.
	So for me, that's one of the main reasons I haven't even been to the jungles yet.
	Because I just know that it's not my whole feel, but I like having that, you know, I'm going to fucking show you.
	Yeah.
	Like that.
	You fucking kidding me?
	I like the chip.
	The chip is a great motivation.
	He always brings up Bernard Hopkins.
	On who?
	Bernard Hopkins.
	He always brings up Bernard Hopkins.
	Yeah, Bernard was a perfect example of that.
	Like when he was the heel, he was unstoppable.
	And then sometimes the heel becomes a face.
	Yeah.
	And I think that he was less effective as a face.
	Okay.
	Like when we were all rooting for him.
	Yeah.
	I think it was, he just didn't know what to do with it.
	When he was taking the Puerto Rican flag in Puerto Rico and ripping and stepping on it, he was unstoppable.
	Yeah.
	I mean, all Trinidad.
	I just, it's a, yeah, it's a peculiar thing that only you guys really understand.
	I mean, we'll understand it in our own ways, but we're fighting because of what we have to do.
	Even, I won't say the name, but someone in the game who has done what I've done, even achieve greater heights, said, yeah, don't do it till after fighting.
	Don't, what's that?
	Go to the jungles or like tap into those plant medicines till after fighting.
	Because it's going to...
	Yeah, he felt like it changed a little bit.
	Even like what Deontay Waldo was talking about, he went to Peru, I think.
	Tyahuasca.
	Yeah.
	And then allegedly, people have said, no, he hasn't found.
	Even he said it after his post-fight.
	Recently, he said, yeah, I found inner peace or something like that, radar, radar, rah.
	And then people said it's taking away that.
	Because, bro, he was the guy knocking out everybody, left, right, and center, highest KO ratio in boxing.
	But again, I think it's just finding a different place to fight for, even if you've done that, because people have done it and be successful.
	But there's levels.
	This is Bernard Hodgson did it.
	He ended up finding being, he became champion in like 50 or something.
	Well, I think what he did is he became the underdog again.
	Oh, he did?
	When he was fighting as an old man.
Stipe's Inner Peace Code 00:15:09
	Yeah, okay.
	Right?
	So like while he might have been the face, it was still like, nobody believes in me.
	Nobody believes I can do it because I'm so old.
	And I'm going to prove you wrong.
	I hated being the favorite at some points because some people, I'm like, why you still have me as the favorite?
	Even in the second Alex Padeta fight, I was like, I'm the favorite still.
	And I'm like, bro, I didn't like it.
	So I do like, I don't, it's not, it's not the whole feel.
	Yeah.
	Because again, I do tap in with like love, the people that really show me love, the people that are around me, the messages I get.
	I don't, some of the messages I get, man, I'm just like, bro, you don't even know me, but you know me.
	And it fills me with joy and it fills me with pride.
	And those are the people I fight for when I tap into that.
	But also, the ones that don't believe in me and say all this shit, I'm like, I'm going to fucking show you.
	Cause I like that.
	But I don't know how long that's going to last for.
	So again, finding new spots to fight for him.
	And yeah, we'll see.
	Even train for him.
	I'm going to try it out.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	We're transferring that to something else.
	I mean, it's, you know, it's on some level, probably an addiction.
	You see some people like, they quit drinking and then become like workout aholics.
	Find something else.
	Yeah.
	But you can't just go.
	Well, a lot of people just can't just go cold turkey in life.
	Like you need to feel that, you know, sitting around.
	That's me.
	After fighting, I was saying this to Joe as well.
	After fighting, and that's why I say now, who knows what's going to happen after fighting?
	But I say, I would need something to do every few months that will make me feel like I'm about to die.
	So one of the things is like, say, I'll train for three months or two months and then, cool, let's go running with the bulls.
	But I'll train for two months on how to run with the bulls.
	Do it.
	Maybe some sheep first.
	We've got heaps of sheep in New Zealand.
	Like fucking run with the sheep or whatever.
	And then eventually, because that would just get me up.
	That would make me feel like, fuck.
	Whoa.
	Joe said, dumb waste to die.
	I agree.
	But what a rush.
	I would do that.
	I would do shark diving.
	I never thought I would because the water, but you know.
	What do you mean?
	Because what about the water?
	I mean, I surf once, twice, three times maybe.
	But I just, me and water don't mix.
	I don't, I'm a buoyant.
	Yeah.
	I can say if you put me in the middle of the ocean right now, I probably have like 20 minutes or 30 minutes before I'm like, I'm done.
	Cause I can try and tread water, but I'm so dense.
	I'm skinny.
	Don't float.
	I'm so dense.
	So yeah.
	But shock diving, scuba tank, in a cage, reinforced.
	I'll try it just for fun.
	Yeah.
	Like with a great white.
	Yeah, that'd be skydive with you.
	Skydive?
	Done it twice.
	Did it once in Abu Dhabi?
	The first one, fucking amazing.
	Life-changing experience.
	That was last year and last year.
	And then I did a random one this year just for fun.
	And the second time wasn't as thrilling, but it was just cool to see.
	Yeah, because everything.
	You're not focused on surviving.
	Yeah.
	Oh, the first one.
	I was just like, I wasn't even scared.
	So shit like that.
	Skydive, still have the McLaren.
	I don't drive fast, though, but I've taken to the track a couple of times.
	Oh, really?
	So you just need to feel like you're going to die.
	At the moment.
	So again, who knows?
	When I have a kid, I might be like, I need to live.
	Yeah, that does happen.
	You know?
	So again, that might freedom of thought.
	I'm saying that now because that's how I feel.
	I feel like I'll need something that's going to make me feel like I'm about to.
	Because, you know, I like that.
	I like that.
	He's a white boy.
	Yeah.
	I love him for no reason.
	He's a Kiwi, bro.
	Yeah.
	He's a different breed.
	If you grew up out there, trust me, you'd be different.
	But that's a fighter thing.
	Like, fighters cannot let go, man.
	Like, because what could even come close to it?
	What could come close to it?
	That's why I say when I'm done, I'm done.
	And I know that feeling.
	I talked to even with Jason Miller about it as well because the little thing in LA, but that feeling when you're backstage, you've done the last fucking warm-up or whatever.
	And then it's, you know, yo, going on in five minutes, five minutes.
	And then, you know, two minutes.
	And then the counting down.
	Okay, Israel, time to go.
	Cool.
	You walk out, stand here, wait on your mark.
	And then it's like, honey, we're going on in 60 seconds.
	And then waiting there, and then everyone's behind you, your coaches.
	You turn around, you might give like a little fist bump, something.
	And then you get out there.
	You get through the tunnel.
	You get the fucking wave.
	You see everything.
	I wish I could actually describe this to people.
	Maybe I'll do a VR experience with it one time and just say, oh, this is an idea for the UFC.
	Do it.
	Honestly, it's fucking crazy because you walk out, you see everything.
	Everything.
	People are yelling.
	You can see all the people on the rafters.
	Intense focus.
	You could probably highlight little things because your mind is.
	Yeah.
	On my answer to Silverfight, I saw one of my friends in the stand and I winked at him and he goes, And again, that's just the thing.
	You can just see everything.
	You're so focused, but yeah, that's nothing like it.
	Nothing like that.
	What is life like when that's not happening?
	I have to let go.
	And that's why I've seen a lot of guys like, what was that movie, The Wrestler?
	No, no, I mean now, like, like, or like in between fights, like, is are you craving it?
	Are you thinking about like, or can you adjust to that kind of normal level?
	I've learned how to.
	Because even, you know, shout out to Volkanovsky.
	He talked about it as well when, you know, he took the fight with Islam.
	He said, it's hard.
	Like, that's why, don't give me free time and a lot of money.
	So for me.
	So many fighters have said that.
	They're like, Tommy Morrison, remember that boxer?
	They're like, you got to keep him in the gym.
	Yeah, keep me busy.
	And he ended up getting AIDS.
	Which gym is he inside?
	Jay, I am.
	But like, but it is true.
	Like, there must be, it just must be an experience.
	Yeah.
	Like, don't get me wrong, like, being on stage and I've felt certain things that are unbelievable, remarkable.
	Yeah.
	I don't even think it scratches the surface of what it's like to be in that arena knowing you could die.
	It's a danger.
	I was going to say, you have, you felt it.
	All of you have felt it.
	It's the same thing.
	It's relative.
	But the aspect of danger, danger is just that thing that's the sauce.
	And that makes it like, fuck, because you're like, I'm about to go against this guy.
	And you're not thinking this, but you just know this is a possibility that I could get in this.
	I could get sparked.
	But also, I could do that to this guy.
	And that's the gambling.
	I'm a gambling man, but I like to calculate my risks.
	Yeah.
	Shout out to Stake.
	Steak Boys in the building right now.
	Oh, that's Joe.
	We out here.
	Let's go outside.
	So while we're here and we're having this is like a supercharged steak segment because we got Izzy in the motherfucking building.
	And you know that John Jones and Aspinall are about to go out of it.
	Stipe.
	Oh my God.
	Stipe.
	I mean, that's what we're going to see.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So yeah, what are we thinking about the Stipe fight?
	I think Stipe is a legend in the game, one of, if not the greatest heavyweight ever.
	Yeah.
	But John Jones is now a heavyweight, the heavyweight champion, and one of, if not the greatest fighter ever.
	But I just want to see what Stipe looks like for maybe in the coming weeks or the fights next month.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I want to see.
	But John Jones, I think the, what do you call it?
	Um, Cyril Gans fight.
	I was like, oh, that's going to be hard.
	Yeah.
	Easy.
	So I think he might even make this one easier.
	Yeah.
	I just feel like John is just a guy you can't you can't doubt.
	Because that one I thought like, oh, Sarah Gans, new level heavyweight.
	Yeah.
	Similar size footwork.
	Can grapple.
	Nah, I was just, okay, yeah.
	No, John's that guy.
	He's that guy.
	So I think him and his bros were sitting next to us at the sphere.
	Oh, yeah.
	And I'm glad that you guys patched things up.
	There's mental response.
	When that happened, that was cool.
	Airport or something?
	No, no, at the bar.
	And then his manager just goes, you know, Izzy's behind you, right?
	And he turns around and goes, yo.
	And I'm like, yo.
	And we just dapped up.
	Oh, that's great.
	And that was just like a moment, like, for me as a fan, because I've always been a fan.
	Yeah.
	And when we had beef, I was just like, well, fuck this guy.
	But then we still always respected each other.
	So that was a cool moment for me.
	Yeah.
	Because, you know, you, my boy.
	So I'm glad that you guys are cool.
	Yeah, I agree.
	He's cool as shit.
	Yeah.
	No, he's cool.
	Nice.
	He's like, he's like, oh, yeah.
	Like, there's like, obviously, you guys need to be like professional, but like when there's no cameras on, like, the jokes are flying.
	Like, play football.
	So they're like, yeah.
	No, trust me.
	We're at the bar for about 40 minutes and we talked about everything.
	We're chopping it up.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Trust me.
	So it's hard to bet against John in that one.
	Yeah, I don't see.
	Also, he's great.
	He's, like I said, the greatest fighter we've ever seen.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So yeah, I think that's going to be.
	What else?
	What else coming up is interesting?
	I'm trying to think.
	I mean, do you think he fights Aspinall or do you think he does this and retires?
	Who knows?
	He says he keeps saying he's going to retire.
	I would love to see him.
	That could be a fucking play.
	It's his chestnut checkers.
	I hope so.
	That is true.
	If he says, I'm not fighting again, and then when UFC goes, hey, we really want you to, that number might go up.
	Yeah.
	So he could be working game for sure.
	Aspinall John Jones.
	If that does happen.
	Yeah.
	That's they got to fight.
	Aspinall's going to be.
	They got to fight.
	I think fuck.
	It's hard to fight against.
	John, bro.
	John fucking finds a way.
	He finds a way.
	But Aspinall, so far, the way he dispatched off Serpent.
	Oh, my God.
	And he's fast.
	I met him.
	That's the thing.
	He's fast.
	Sat next to him at 300.
	He and his dad, cool dudes.
	Love you guys as well.
	But he's the same height as me, if not an inch taller, but thick.
	Yeah.
	And I was like, fuck, you're a lot thicker than I would expect.
	And the speed.
	Yeah.
	That's the thing that I'm like, okay, that's the danger.
	But again, grappling.
	He's a black belt.
	But John is fucking.
	That's different.
	Yeah.
	But I don't know, man.
	They got to fight.
	But if they don't ever fight, we'll never know.
	Because we had that with John and Silver.
	We had that with Silver and GSP.
	So all these fights we will never see.
	Yeah.
	You know, so we just have to have them in the ether forever and ever.
	And we'll talk about it here.
	But if you do, you're going to.
	If you bet on these, you're going to bet with steak.
	Yeah.
	Shout out, Steak, bro.
	They'll be taking care of you.
	Fuck you.
	Shout out, Stake.
	Go to Steak.
	Go get your money up.
	Do we have a sign up code or anything like that, Jamil?
	Flagrant.
	Flagrant.
	Flagrant sign-up code to get your sign-up bonus.
	Go check out Steak.
	I'm sure Izzy got one as well.
	You could probably use either, but use ours.
	Use ours.
	This is a dub's deal.
	Let's get back to the show, man.
	But you actually worried me something you said before because you said some of the pressure is a bit lifted off of you because you're not defending the belt.
	So you're maybe looking forward to trying more things in the ring and having fun.
	But doesn't that come with heavy risk?
	Like trying or calculated risks.
	Yeah.
	So try to find out.
	You just do it.
	So again, like when I fought, what's his name?
	Like Tavares, when I did that in the fight, or even the first Victoria fight, there was this move, spin move with the kick I did.
	I never tried it in the gym, but I was like, oh, I saw Mallie do this.
	And it landed and it's now always on my highlights.
	So those kind of things, I just had the confidence to do them back then because I just do it.
	Yeah.
	And if I'm confident in myself, like my tornado kick and kickboxing, I'd never tried it on my training mates because it's really dangerous.
	But then I knocked down a heavyweight with it in the ring live.
	First time ever trying it.
	I've tried it on pads, tried it on the bag, but I never tried on a real person inspiring.
	Then I had him against the ropes.
	Boom.
	Hit him.
	So shit like that, I want to try and just have fun because I'm not really, again, my legacy is, I said this already.
	If what I've already done in this game, a lot of people don't even get to the belt.
	A lot of people don't even get to the UFC, but I've done it twice.
	Still the only two-time middleweight champion.
	And if what I've already done in this game will make me happy, then what will?
	Exactly.
	What's going to make me happy?
	It's like, no, I'm happy, but I'm not content.
	I still have a few things I want to try, a few moves I want to do, a few sequences that I just feel, and some I don't even know about.
	They're just going to, when I see them on the highlights, I'd be like, ooh, that was tight.
	So they're yet to come.
	So I look forward to creating those.
	That's the artist in me.
	Yeah.
	Because I just like, again, submission.
	I know I'm going to choke a motherfucker out.
	I'm definitely going to get one of those.
	The tricky, yeah, the tricky thing is like whenever you fight, there's going to be demand and attention.
	There are certain people that their career ends not because they want to tend.
	You got to break up with fighting before fighting breakups with you.
	And sometimes it breaks up with them.
	And that's got to be.
	Think about how brutal that is because you're like, I still need to see it still.
	I don't even know.
	I've seen it.
	I've seen it even in my own gym with some people, and I'm just like, bro, he should stop because he's older and this.
	And then you see the fights, you're just like, but you can't say anything.
	It's not the conversation like with that's the coaches.
	So they have to have that conversation.
	And will they do it?
	Will they coach it?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, definitely.
	And how does that go?
	Like, will Eugene sit somebody down and say, I haven't seen it?
	It hasn't happened to me.
	I haven't had that talk.
	Yeah, of course not.
	But I think probably most coaches who care about you will let you know, like, bro, I think it's time.
	Like, you just, and they'll see it and let you know.
	And if you don't want to listen, you're still stubborn, then they'll support you because you're going to do it anyway.
	Yeah.
	If you're going to do it anyway, then they're like, okay, cool.
	But aren't the coaches incentivized to having the fighters fight as long as possible?
	So then they continue getting that's the coaches if they don't care about their fighters.
	Like these gyms who have fighters that just like cattle, it's a factor.
	Exactly.
	Or managers who have fucking 300 fighters on their roster.
	It's just, you know, they can't care about all of them.
	Some of them, it's just they're getting 10%, 20% here.
	It all adds up and they end up being rich.
	So it's about caring about someone and caring about their well-being.
	So yeah, you don't want to put someone in there and you just on the world state, and that's it.
	Because then the stock of your gym, the stock of your fighters goes down.
	Yeah, you want to keep it up.
	So I know Eugene's not that kind of guy.
	Like he'll, me and him, even before that, I think I'll know before him, and probably even at the same time, we'll know.
	We'll just know.
	And then it'd be like, yeah, I'll know when it's time.
	When do you want to break up with fighting?
	Sorry.
	I'll break up with fighting, you know, when it would even like, it's not even, it's not, you can't say what fighting, it's not you, it's me.
	It is me because fighting is always going to be there, but it's me.
	Like, father time will catch up with all of us at some point.
	Like I said, now I have to have breakfast because I realize, okay, that actually helps you fuel you before your first training rather than just rolling out of bed and then, cool, let's get to the gym, do the damn thing.
	But yeah, when will I?
	I don't know.
	But I know I said at 20 something, I say when I'm 34, I'm done with this game.
	I'm 35 now.
	But I know I still, I said, I'm over the halfway point, and I'm definitely a few years away, maybe three years away.
	But who knows?
	I know, I don't want to be fighting at 40.
	Would you do an exhibition?
	Go to Japan.
	I don't know.
	Have some fun, make some movies.
	Maybe some wrestling, maybe, but like after the UFC, that's the what the fuck else?
	Like, bro, all this shit, like, go box or go do this.
	I'm like, nah, I've been on the top, the baddest of the baddest with the baddest of the baddest.
Motion Capture Dreams 00:02:44
	Like, what else compares?
	Like, the UFC, you know, they get a lot of flack, but still, it's the highest combat sports league in the game right now.
	So, what else compares to that for me?
	And that was my dream to be in the UFC and then be a champion.
	And then, so I'm going to go box some YouTuber for, yeah, I mean, fuck 20 million, bro.
	But I'm saying, look, I'll pray on it.
	Inshallah, I'll pray on it, but we'll see.
	We'll see.
	But, but, like, I just don't think anything because of my code and my morals as well.
	I'm like, again, I'm not desperate for it.
	So, yeah, I'm not desperate for that kind of money.
	Because, again, shout out to my pops.
	He's looked after the family, the family seats.
	So, yeah, I think there's other ways to make money.
	Voice over acting, fucking video game.
	The video game world is crazy.
	Yeah.
	So much more money than Hollywood.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	Well, because people are actually playing video games.
	Yeah.
	Other people ain't watching movies like they used to.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like so many new games.
	I got to go home and there's Wukong I'm playing and then fucking Warhammer.
	I'm playing as well right now.
	I don't know if you guys on game?
	No, no nerds.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, for me, those games might not keep me busy.
	And I can see myself doing motion capture for those kind of shit.
	That'd be sick.
	Yeah.
	I'm great at motor.
	I've never done motion capture, but I know for a fact I'd be really good at creating certain things with motion capture and the possibilities are endless because I could be whatever.
	You know what I mean?
	So, yeah, that I'd love to get into.
	I think that a lot of people like outside of fighting can't fathom that anybody does it for another reason besides money.
	Yeah.
	You know, and like the more that you talk about it, the less I feel you've ever done it for money.
	Yeah.
	I've done it for free for years.
	Exactly.
	So it's like, so the idea, like the desire to keep fighting is to scratch the itch that is still there.
	Whereas everybody else goes, yeah, he's so fucking rich and he's got everything and he's got his health.
	He's got it.
	Like, why would you even want to do it?
	And then you're like, well, the same reason I did it for free.
	Yeah.
	Because it is the thing in life that excites me the most.
	It motivates me the most.
	It's the reason I get up in the fucking morning.
	It's like, I imagine when you have a fight sign, like the three months before, it's like every single day has purpose.
	Every single day is meaningful.
	Yeah.
	And yeah, I think that's the perspective you got to look at it.
	Really?
	This camp was my best camp in the sense that I did everything.
	Cause again, father time, you realize the way your body operates.
	So I did the massages every week.
	What do you call it?
	Ice baths every day.
	The breakfast, the nutrition was on the strength and conditioning.
Stubborn Dudes and Rounds 00:08:42
	Like, and there was not one day this camp, because again, other camps, some days I wake up and I'm like, fuck my body.
	And just like, ah, but this last camp, one day, there's not one day where I woke up, I was just like, this is fucking a drag.
	And it's because I did all the things, all the little things.
	Yeah.
	I see me at night with the fucking hyper ice boots on.
	You know, the ones that inflate.
	I think ballers use it as well.
	So I was on that.
	Doug Dove uses it too.
	Yeah.
	Hey, the baller.
	But yeah, so for me, I'm always trying to find ways to, how can I make this better?
	How can I make the next camp better?
	How can I make myself better?
	And again, where we've done the testing now, I know where we're at.
	And I look forward to the next one.
	And whenever that is, man, I don't know.
	But best believe you'll see the best version of me again.
	Well, the Strickland DDP is interesting because you probably want a rematch.
	Do you care about the Strickland fight?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Come on, man.
	Can you want that back?
	Come on, man.
	Again, I know me and I know where I was during that fight week and all that.
	And again, that was his time.
	It was his week.
	That's the only fight of yours I haven't watched live.
	Ah, really?
	You just like.
	We've known each other.
	Damn.
	So that's my fault.
	I forgive you.
	I think so.
	But I remember that.
	You came upstairs.
	It felt weird.
	It's the only fight.
	Yeah.
	But it felt weird for me.
	And then in the fight itself, like when he dropped me, I remember getting up and I'm like, oh, this nigga's hitting me.
	Oh, shit, he's hitting me.
	And I looked at Mark Gaudard and there's a picture of him.
	I'm like, I'm good.
	And he's still, he's probably like 18 punches deep.
	It wasn't really hitting me, but it was like hitting the guard.
	And I'm just like, cool.
	And I stopped fighting back.
	But the whole fight just felt like a weird dream.
	Out of both of them.
	You know, the dreams.
	Yeah.
	Like when you're trying to like really and in a dream trying to hit the monster, you're like, what the fuck?
	Noodle arms.
	It's felt weird.
	And again, it was just his week.
	His pressure, his game.
	Yeah.
	He does apply good pressure and like consistent pressure while closing distance.
	Wait till I fight him again.
	Like with DDP, I walked him back a few times.
	Oh, 100%.
	I feel like he was just like he was affected when he was doing that bum rush thing.
	It's such a weird.
	What are you thinking as a fighter?
	Like literally your entire life at your coaches are going, whatever you do, don't run straight and just throw big movement punches because back down, not even looking.
	But why is it effective, you think?
	I think just him as a fighter, the style, the cadence, even this question mark kick, it's so slow.
	It's peculiar though, right?
	By the time you block it and come back now, he didn't hit me with it.
	He hit stricken with it.
	But I've seen him when he did it.
	He'd question Mark and catch him, but it's so slow.
	By the time you block and come down, then it hits you.
	Oh, weird.
	It's weird.
	Off speed.
	Off speed.
	Yeah.
	He's off speed.
	I remember when Manny Pacquiao fought Manuel Marquez or whatever.
	One Manuel Marquez.
	One Manuel Marquez.
	His trainer after the third fight or something was like, now that Manny is a more orthodox fighter and more traditional, I think we're going to have an easier time with him.
	Because before we never knew what was coming, where it was coming from.
	It was so unorthodox, you couldn't figure it out.
	That's what I'm saying.
	The freedom, the freedom to try whatever.
	But I don't think that's him.
	I think he's just awkward.
	That's his style.
	And also his will.
	And durability.
	His will.
	When he's tired, he'll still go because there was a bit in the fourth round.
	I was lighting him up and he shot and I sprawled back of his head.
	My nuts hit him boom into the ground.
	And I thought I rocked him maybe.
	But then I get up and I'm there.
	And then, what's his name?
	Rep's like, get up.
	He didn't get up, gets on his knees and reps, like, get up.
	And he finally gets up and I attack him.
	And he didn't even care about what he they just, he just wanted to throw.
	So he threw.
	And I had to, you have to address it because, you know, it's something coming at you.
	But he just throws just to stop you in your tracks.
	So he's not trying to hit you.
	He's not doing an aim and fire.
	He's throwing and hoping.
	So it just stops you in your tracks.
	It stops your momentum.
	And then you have to go again.
	But his will.
	He's a stubborn dude, a stubborn dude.
	But you just have to outwill him.
	And again, I can't wait till I fight, you know, guys like Strickland or whoever.
	Because now Pereira, the second fight, I remember thinking, like, I told Eugene, I'm going to stress you out this fight.
	You know that, right?
	And he's like, what?
	I'm like, I'm going to strip.
	Because I know in the corner he's going to be like, oh, fuck, that was close.
	And in the Miami, that was because I was like, no, I'm going to be right there.
	And I was pushing him back.
	Well, he pushes me back.
	And I'm like, nah, it's, it's a, I know how to do it to people.
	So wait a minute.
	When you go, when you went for Pereira 2, I was like, yeah, let's go.
	Like, I told you, I'm going to stress you out.
	Because you got a lot of confidence going into one, I feel like.
	And I feel like you were.
	I was beating him.
	Yeah.
	I mean, round one is 10 seconds longer.
	It's a first round.
	Fuck it.
	Three seconds longer.
	Yeah, that's what I needed.
	But again, that's the life of it, eh?
	And then it got to the point where eventually I, you know, I lose to him.
	I say, all right, let's do it again straight away.
	Boom.
	And then in the part two fight, I'm just like, I'm coming at you.
	And even when I walk, well, watch the walkout now.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on, stop, stop, stop.
	You decide to come at him.
	Is that strategy?
	Because you think he thinks that you're going to be...
	Got it.
	Okay.
	So they think, oh, he's just going to move back and leg kicks and paw paw.
	But I'm like, nah, watch this.
	I told Eugene, I'm going to stress you the fuck out.
	This is like two weeks before the fight or three weeks before the fight.
	Two weeks before I hurt my knee.
	And then, yeah.
	So even going into that fight, fucked up me.
	I was just like, I'm going to attack him and go forward.
	So first round, he, so first round, the first thing that he realizes, oh shit, he's not afraid.
	So now his mental in that fight is going to be completely because they expected me to move back.
	And just kind of counter punch.
	So for me, I'm just like, nah, I'm going to attack him.
	Because sometimes people forget I can do that until you show them.
	They're like, oh, shit, he can.
	So you put pressure on.
	I can.
	And then eventually he got me.
	Pereira, like certain people just used to taking leg kicks.
	How does that affect?
	That's when I'm able to push Pereira backwards.
	Is I go Southpaw because I can just check the leg kick.
	From this stance, I can just turn the knee in.
	And then I was pushing him backwards, Southpaw.
	So I'm like, okay.
	Wait, is he traditional?
	He's Orthodox.
	He likes Orthodox.
	He can fly both ways, but not as good as that.
	He prefers.
	And then when he throws that quick little Orthodox.
	And if you're Orthodox, Orthodox, that's when.
	So whenever for me, you have to throw it to the inside of your cat.
	And they could just, that's easy to check.
	And then you just leaning into it.
	Just turn the knee.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So for me, when he hurt my leg, and then I went Southpaw, and then this is by the K, I was like, you know what?
	I'm going to bring him in.
	I just went and give him.
	So I went, you swimming, I switched back to Orthodox.
	I was like, he's going to take the leg.
	Just seeing the tear that Alex is on right now, does that make the victory feel.
	I hope he never stops.
	Yeah.
	Because it just makes your victory feel so much sweeter, right?
	David, what'd you say the other day?
	No one's ever gone past two rounds, a round and a half with him.
	And I never thought about that till he said it.
	And I was like, oh, yeah.
	Only Jan, I think, was the only one, maybe.
	I was just wrestling.
	Yeah, standing on the feet.
	Yeah.
	Again, to stand on the feet with him.
	And even he said, you told me last year.
	I saw it on Instagram.
	Hopefully, this is a real quote, but he was talking about, they were asking about another guy that, like, I guess was in kickboxing with you guys.
	I don't know if you had fought him.
	I haven't seen it yet.
	I think Alex had fought him.
	And they basically asked him, Do you think he'll be successful at UC?
	And he's like, he's not Izzy.
	He's not me.
	Like, he can't do it.
	And again, I don't know your guys' relationship, and even if that's a real quote, because it's on fucking Instagram.
	But if it is, I think it's a pretty cool admission of respect.
	Oh, no, we know.
	Like, me and him know every time to fight each other, it's not an easy fight.
	And now we've had that rivalry.
	And again, I've said this on my people are like, oh, you scared.
	You scared.
	I'm like, then why did I fight him straight away after he knocked me out in the biggest fucking arena in the world?
	But it's not that.
	It's just for me, the story itself.
	The whole story.
	Like, even what did Dana say?
	You could do a 30 for 30 on those.
	I mean, it's crazy.
	You should.
	You should.
	Honestly, like a 30 for 30 ESPN special on our fucking story from kickboxing and then him chasing me and then this.
	And we should even do an interview afterwards.
	Just fucking two of you.
	Yeah.
	Sit down and, I mean, just Shama.
	Yeah.
	You know, and then I'll say whatever I'll say and then Shama and then bore it out.
	Yeah.
	It seems like he has a lot of love for you, which I like.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's or respect.
	It's respect.
	If you knock someone out, even me, like, I let it go when he knocked me out.
	I never chased him.
	Yeah.
	I'm always fine.
	Like, look, if the Sean fight never happens again, I'm fine.
	If you've never been in that situation, you never understand how to let go.
	You have to be willing to let go.
	You can't keep chasing these things.
	So for me, I don't chase them.
	They always come back around.
	And that's how I know these moments come back around.
	But yeah, we've had that.
	If I fight him again and I knock him out, then oh no, it's 3-2 now.
	Best out of seven.
	Who am I fighting for?
	And again, I only have how much more left in the game.
	I'm not going to try and, you know, just to entertain people.
	There's more fights I'd rather do.
	A couple more rematches I'd rather do.
Boarding School Possession 00:06:19
	Yeah.
	So yeah, I don't want to keep chasing the same fucking or beating a dead horse or whatever.
	Yeah.
	Now, you said that you believe he actually does use spells.
	Look, we all have something.
	We all have something.
	A little now we're talking.
	Like I said, before I fought him in Miami, there was nights I'll just be just in the house, shadow boxing, pacing up and down, micro-dosed up a little bit or macro-dosed, or I'll be in the shower.
	I've said the shower is the greatest place to create.
	Shower shrooms.
	Yeah.
	Shower shrooms.
	And just like there was one night, Chance is in bed sleeping in, and I just go into his room like tower on like chance, chance.
	He's like, huh?
	What?
	Oh, shit.
	I'm like, I'm on.
	He's like, oh, oh, oh, okay.
	Like, he knew straight what I meant.
	Because sometimes if he comes home and he hears the same track on a loop and not that I'm in the shower, he just knows, ah, he's in his own.
	He's in there in that void.
	He's creating.
	So again, I don't know if anyone else does this, but I just implore people to like this techniques.
	But yeah, that's my way of like now.
	He has his ancestors.
	You know, he has his people from his tribe.
	And even when I fought Rob the first time in Melbourne, I felt something with him.
	I've never really spoken on this, but like everyone has something.
	I have my parents fasting and praying.
	I have my uncle who's a pastor, prayer warriors back in Nigeria praying for me.
	So yeah, but also we all tapping because we're indigenous people.
	We know how to tap into the spirituality of things.
	So he definitely has an energy behind him that just props him up, gets him going.
	And it's hard to explain unless you've been in there with someone.
	And if, like, if you have, you'll know.
	It's in the eyes, it's in the energy.
	It's the spirit.
	So you can clown me and say, oh, it's fucking woo-woo, whatever.
	But again, in the Western world, no one really fucks with that.
	It's all about science and energies and crystals and stuff.
	But you felt it with Rob?
	Because Rob's what?
	Maori?
	Maori, yeah.
	It was something different.
	And also, maybe my thing with the death note, I don't know.
	But yeah, also he's the Grim Reaper, apparently.
	So, but I felt it with Rob.
	It was something.
	Well, you know, this is things I don't like to, because I grew up in Nigeria.
	I've seen people get possessed.
	Yeah.
	I've seen David.
	Remember at the house in Shangisha when that lady...
	Do you remember?
	Oh, yeah, now you remember.
	But then this, yeah, I've seen some shit.
	We've seen what happens.
	Now, let's fucking go.
	Mark's locked in over there.
	Short story, short story.
	He's witnessing divine creation.
	Our other brother, Sam, he lived in Nigeria longer than us.
	And then he came to join us in New Zealand.
	And he came with so many stories.
	Like one time after school, one of the students picked up a rubber band and turned into a yam.
	And then everyone's like, oh, they've turned into a yam.
	And they cut the yam open.
	And then there was blood.
	And I was like, your cap on your line, you're lying.
	And then I went to our dad and he was like, is this true?
	And he's like, like, these things happen like no cap.
	And he's over the bullshit.
	Like, he's not like a clout.
	I've seen some stuff in boarding school.
	Yeah.
	When she hears laugh, when he laughs and he's fucking rolling, he's hilarious.
	It's a little discouraging.
	We haven't heard that in an hour and a half.
	I'm working over here.
	But it's true.
	It's true.
	It's true.
	I've seen some stuff.
	And the one I was talking about in the house, after school, we used to just hear random noises from the house above us constantly just speaking in tongues.
	And then one night, I remember like maybe around 2 or 3 a.m. The whole house, there was a commotion.
	And then they took her to a church or something to go pray.
	And then I tried to see her.
	My parents are like, just go in your room, go to your room, and lock the door.
	And then I try to ask the housemaids the next day what happened, but everyone just kept, you know, ah, just whatever, whatever.
	But I found out later on, it was she passed the thing on.
	It was a housemaid from upstairs.
	She passed it to the mom, and then the mom passed it to the kids.
	And then the dad was the only one who didn't get touched by it.
	But then they had to like do this whole exorcist shit.
	This sounds crazy, like some fucking movie shit.
	Actually, but this is, it happens.
	I've seen it.
	And again, boarding school, I've seen it as well.
	It's real.
	I don't want to go too much into it because then I just sound like a fucking crazy person.
	But yeah, I already do.
	But still, we experienced allegedly.
	Okay, okay.
	Boarding school, we're playing tag.
	And then this kid, whenever he got tagged, he'd just kind of switch.
	And they'd catch someone and start trying to beat them.
	And what the fuck?
	Yo, relax, chill.
	And later on, we couldn't find him for hours.
	And then at one point, at one point, me and this kid who were looking for him, we see in the night lightning strike, strikes again, and he's right there running us a slow motion.
	And I'll never forget this because there's moments in your life.
	You just click.
	Let's get out.
	And they just go.
	The guy running and get out.
	And then we ran.
	And then people were like, what the fuck?
	We're like, he's coming.
	He's coming.
	He's coming.
	But yeah.
	So did he come?
	Well, I don't know.
	Fuck.
	I didn't stay to find out.
	So you okay.
	Yeah, get the fuck out of there.
	Yeah.
	And eventually they found him.
	They found him later on eventually.
	And he was in the bushes somewhere.
	This is in Obama State, Bell's boarding school.
	They found him eventually in the bushes somewhere.
	And yeah, I think after the next day, we never saw him at school for a while.
	Yo, Volley's got a story.
	There were some knives that flew off the shelf in Pakistan.
	Remember that?
	Yeah.
	Wait, wait, wait, what do you mean?
	Yeah, so I was at my grandma's house, whose house was like super haunted.
	It was on a burial site.
	And it was me, my cousins, my aunt who's deaf.
	And all of a sudden, these steak knives just flew across the room and stabbed my aunt's shirt through the couch.
	Damn.
	And we're all just like, it was my aunt and us.
	And we're just like screaming, like screaming for help.
	And nobody was there.
	And so my aunt had to take the knife out and just grab all the kids and run out of the house.
	Did it pure skin or just a shirt?
	No, just the shirt.
	Damn.
	That was your uncle trying to get a dope.
	Just what's more extra.
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	Going to a witch doctor if you've got problems, your husband's cheating on you or something.
	It's like part of a way of life in some parts of Nigeria.
	You go, they'll do a little sacrifice.
	They'll kill the chicken.
	They'll give you something.
	They'll be like, hey, go put it under you under your doormat.
	And then your husband will just stop cheating.
	But it seems on that.
	Like, if there's one, trust me, bro, that you should take as a fact.
	This is a.
	Yeah.
	Like, this is a.
	Have you ever used a witch doctor?
	Hell no.
	No, we don't like, because we grew up in a Christian household, so we stayed away from that.
	But, you know, people call them Babalawo.
	I think in South Africa, they call them Sangoma.
	So everyone, different tribes in Africa have different names for them.
	But before Christianity, before that, these guys were, and it's not, because, you know, the Western world will say this is bad, this is Juju, this is that.
	But then it was African spirituality before Christianity or whatever came through.
	White people.
	Yeah, yeah.
	White people.
	But still, we, yeah, people tap into it, but I just stay away from it.
	And I do it in my own way with certain things.
	So look, when you, the spectrum of light's so different.
	Like, when you, even when I'm on shrooms, the way I feel, the way I see things, the way I perceive the world, I know there's more.
	There's way more.
	The way I've seen my cat, rest in peace in the room.
	I used to see her at nighttime.
	I'm like, what is she chasing?
	I'm watching TV.
	I'll just see her like, da-da-da-da-da-da.
	And I'm like, what is she actually chasing?
	Because they can see far more than us in the spectrum of light.
	So it'd be egotistical of us to think like we know as humans, we know what the fucking realm is.
	Anyway, that's my TED.
	You see those cats that go and sit on the hospital bed when someone's dying?
	There's been, yeah.
	Like they can smell something.
	And there's like, have you heard this?
	Margo always tries to make us like cats.
	It's just never going to work.
	I don't know.
	No, this is why you shouldn't like them, bro.
	They're going on the bed and shit.
	They might be killing the people.
	There was one, I think it was in England at a retirement home.
	Don't quote me on this.
	But then whenever the cat spends time with someone who never spends time with anyone, and then, oh, he's about to die.
	And it became a thing.
	And they put it on the news and whatnot.
	It's on YouTube somewhere.
	And it turns out all those people were allergic to cats.
	He's quick with it, bro.
	He's on.
	Which is crazy, right?
	My dad jokes now, man.
	Wait, Vali, y'all buried?
	You're dead?
	You don't cremate?
	No.
	That's weird.
	Y'all have wild white, but that's it.
	Nah, the Ganges is haunted, bro.
	The Ganges is haunted as fuck.
	You got to be careful with that.
	Where's the Ganges?
	That's the Blue River and red ashes on someone down there.
	I see, I see.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I've seen it.
	Yeah, they do.
	Pour it out for the dead.
	Wow.
	So you got some quick questions.
	It's fucked up with voluses.
	There's awesome race.
	My grandmother's ashes in there.
	Can you imagine how going to 9-11 and start shitting on your ancestors?
	Go into the World Trade Center.
	I'll allow that.
	Good, bro.
	You ever heard of The Serpent and the Rainbow, this book?
	No.
	This is a book.
	This is great.
	By this guy, Wade Davis.
	All right.
	Serpent and the Rainbow.
	He went to Haiti, IET.
	He's a Harvard psychologist.
	He hears a story about this guy.
	Let's go, Mark, dude.
	Let's go, Professor Gagnon.
	Someone gave me a Zen or a coffee.
	Mark Cook, you got his Zen?
	I don't.
	Someone gave me something.
	You know the one I took back, allegedly?
	Still haven't tried it.
	It's probably expired now, but I saw Roguet even taking them.
	I've seen other people take them.
	And ever since you told me, if you want to feel nauseous and disoriented, take a look at it.
	So I was like, I don't know about that, but I think maybe I'll try like a small one.
	I just want to feel it because I know tobacco is a nootropic, right?
	Yeah.
	Nicotine is not a little bit more.
	It's a nicotine neutral.
	Yeah, okay.
	And it's good small dose.
	You do too much, then you're nervous.
	Okay.
	This guy.
	Tell us about your gay boy.
	No, no, it's not gay.
	It's not gay.
	The surf in the rainbow.
	It sounds gay.
	I know.
	He's a Harvard psychologist, right?
	He goes down to Haiti because he hears a story about this guy.
	I got you.
	Clairvius Narcy, all right?
	Haitian dude that was a zombie for 20 years.
	Well, yeah, of course.
	Everybody knows about him.
	He basically this guy claims that he was poisoned by a witch doctor by a Bokaru in Haiti.
	Gets good cats.
	It didn't even mean to do that.
	Cat like, right?
	Yeah.
	Watch out.
	He finds out that basically he gets poisoned by a witch doctor.
	He gets buried.
	The witch doctor exhumes his body, takes him to a different part of Haiti, then makes him work as like a slave on datorah, like different drugs for like 20 years.
	Eventually, he's able to escape after his witch doctor guy dies.
	And then he goes back to his family and he's like, yo, this is what happened to me.
	I wasn't able to escape.
	He put a spell on me or some shit.
	And this psychologist went down there and like documented it.
	And it was kind of like, yeah, it's possible that some of the drugs he basically gave some validity to it that it's possible that he was using puffer fish and this specific thing that would basically put someone into a coma for a short period of time.
	And so he's basically trying to find like scientific validity to this idea of this Haitian zombie, which is like crazy.
	But they, I don't know, the book, I've never read it, but it seems like there's some criticism both ways.
	Why do we want to believe all this shit?
	Because it's fired.
	It's just like those mercies.
	It's like those things.
	Exactly.
	Why do you see climbs?
	I've seen some shit.
	That's the thing.
	I've seen some shit.
	I'm not questioning if you've seen it or not.
	I'm saying, why do I want to believe?
	Like, you start the story.
	Yeah.
	I want it to be true.
	Same.
	Show that it is.
	Maybe that's it.
	Yeah.
	Maybe we want to leave God.
	When you told me.
	No, but we told you Jesus Christ.
	I need to accept Jesus.
	I have accepted Jesus.
	Still feeling empty, huh?
	No, but that's why you have so many gods.
	No, there's a, but like, I even see like my dog hanging around my child, right?
	And I'm like, well, they have a protective instinct and she just knows or whatever.
	Or maybe it's because the people that give her the food are around the child.
	You know what I mean?
	But like, I want to believe this dog sees something pure in this kid.
	Yeah.
	And then my baby tried to like take a toy my dog was playing with.
	And I just saw my dog go, oh no.
	And I was like, oh, that ain't shit.
	These dogs ain't shit at all.
	Do you reprimand them straight away?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you have to.
	Yeah.
	I just reprimanded it by throwing the thing continuously for it.
	Yeah.
	Don't reward him.
	No, no, no.
	You're right.
	I have to make sure that that behavior is not topic.
	Oh, yeah.
	Letting all the babies is above them.
	Yeah.
	That's a good point.
	That's how kids get.
	But why are we so compelled to want to believe in the supernatural?
	There's so much we don't know.
	Having some explanation for some supernatural phenomena.
	I was like, okay, there are things that are beyond our comprehension that are happening out there.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	So it justifies all the things that we can't explain.
	Yeah.
	So believing in these little things can justify the greater things that we don't understand.
	Okay.
	The inability to explain things is anxiety inducing.
	Yeah.
	It's like, oh, I say something that can jinx something, but if I knock on wood, I have some control over my, you know, my future destiny.
	Yeah.
	Like those types of like superstitions.
	I love knocking on wood.
	And I'm surprised you actually have seen it and you haven't looked into it more.
	Nah, I don't want to.
	I've never fucked with a Ouija board, nothing like that.
	Because I just know, as Nigerians, this is why on these movies, there's always white kids because they're, oh, yeah, let's go talk to the fucking teeth.
	You know, you don't see no black kids fuck with that because I know it's real.
	And then it can enter you.
	You know, it can become a thing.
	So I'm just like, nah, I'm good.
	So, yeah.
	Well, you need to holler at some of the witch stuff for your opponents in the future.
	Throw some shit in the locker room.
	I'd rather myself rap through it myself.
	That's the thing.
	Skills, skills.
	Got to get the best.
	So that would be a good thing.
	Bro, even in Nigeria, they do it with football.
	They put something at someone's goalpost just to try and like.
	Do you remember this in the World Cup?
	There was a whole thing in the World Cup.
	This is like 2012.
	Like Nigeria was like winning games.
	They got a call, and there was like a crow that was on the goalpost or some shit.
	Like, Sevikasponi.
	There's always something.
	They will try.
	Nah, but nothing's good.
	Nothing's free.
	Yeah.
	You can't ask for dark favors without a kid taking on a debt.
	Oh, if they do.
	Come on.
	You can't ask for dark favors without taking on a debt.
	Nothing's for free.
	I like that.
	I know.
	What movie you got that from?
	No, everything needs a sacrifice.
	Every since we have the one sacrifice, how convenient, huh?
	Yeah.
	How convenient.
	Because he died for the sins.
	Yeah, sacrifice.
	Jesus, bro.
	I don't think Jesus gets enough credit.
	Don't you think he doesn't?
	Not in the moment, but again, even me, I claim back the word God.
	No, no, no.
	I keep saying that now because at first it felt so triggering.
	And I'd be like, the universe, but I'm like, nah, God is the one, no matter what that force is.
	It's what we all tap into.
	Because the universe, this is just a euphemism for God.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like, even my boy, Shah Ike, when we were in Abu Dhabi recently, you know, I went to the mosque with him.
	I put the whole thing on, and then I went to pray at the mosque with him.
	And he was really touched.
	He's like, man, none of my friends have ever come to the mosque to pray with me.
	But I was like, of course, I'm going to tap in.
	It's a praise.
	And I just went there full of what he was doing, but I was just meditating.
	I didn't really know the Quran or speak the Arabic or whatever.
	But it's just my way of tapping in with cultures.
	No matter what, you still feel the same energy.
	We're all still trying to connect to the same oneness.
	If I ever go to a Hindi temple, I do the same thing.
	We did that.
	Remember, we hit the track?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And this is Singapore, yeah.
	Where?
	What's Singapore, the Hindu temple?
	It's a track.
	You just run circles around it.
	You walk mad like that.
	They just get you dizzy.
	Really?
	Oh, and then you walk out of there like, oh, that was spiritual.
	I like that.
	The Indian five.
	You gotta take two weeks off the pile every single week.
	That jokes galore.
	No, no, we went and we did it and it was cool.
	They was they were moving.
	They were moving.
	Yeah.
	I love the masjid too.
	But do you always?
	Is that part of the culture?
	Is it you go around every single time?
	Like when you would go to temple as a kid?
	Usually there's like certain like a Ganesh statue or whatever, and you'll do the circle around the Ganesh an odd number of times, one, three, five, seven, whatever.
	No, even at your wedding, I know it was the sick wedding, but there was also doing this.
	Yeah, we did, I think, five.
	Seven, seven, maybe.
	We did five.
	You guys had to do two extra.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, fair enough.
	I don't even remember to be honest with you.
	I know a Hindu ceremony seven.
	I know my shit.
	That's all you need to know.
	And then remember when y'all tried to feed us mud?
	Oh, yeah.
	I remember they tried to feed us mud.
	It was delicious.
	And they thought that we wouldn't know it was mud, but we ate it.
	We did eat it.
	It tastes good.
	It was delicious.
	I think about that dude's toenail to this day.
	Specifically.
	His toenail.
	The guy that was toenailing.
	Yeah.
	I don't know how they used it.
	The dude that was scooping, he had a toenail.
	And it's nothing against him.
	We all have some dove has a toenail, but he had a toeno specifically if shoes off.
	And then also scooping.
	Oh, wow.
	And I've just never forgotten the toenail.
	The foot?
	No, he wasn't scooping with his foot.
	He just had a wrong toenail.
	It just, you saw it.
	Oh, I see.
	Switch grocery.
	He was feeding you, but he also had a barnacle.
	And you're like, yeah.
	I went back for seconds, by the way.
	What is that?
	I have multiple.
	Shout out to that.
	What would you call it?
	Temple?
	Gurdwara.
	Gurdwara.
	Shout out to that Gurdwara.
	They had the best.
	What do you call it?
	Prashad.
	What is it?
	Prashad.
	They got the best Prashad in Jersey.
	Yeah.
	So if y'all want a fire prashad, you got to pull up to that Gurdwara.
	That shit was.
	You remember that?
	Yeah.
	That shit hit the hand.
	I was like, boom, I ate it.
	And then after eating it, I didn't even know if we were supposed to.
	Like, because I was so hungry.
	I was starving.
	And I ate that shit.
	And I was like, oh, they on to this mud shit.
	We're trying to look at mud differently.
	That shit was delicious.
	And I said, yo, run that back, Toe.
	You didn't laugh.
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	I said, someone else, run that back.
	You weren't supposed to eat it, I don't think.
	What that real fucking eyes are.
	I did.
	You're supposed to paint it and make something.
	But you know, Ghani used to read the New Testament.
	I read that today.
	Apparently, he read the New Testament all the time.
	Of course, he did.
	All the boys do.
	Probably.
	Everybody does.
	Someone said, Why wouldn't you become a Christian?
	And he said, If I ever met a true one, then I would.
	Wow.
	Which I was like, yo, this guy at bars.
	I love your Christ.
	It's your Christians.
	I have a problem with.
	I was like, everybody be saying that.
	Gandhi's.
	Same.
	Yeah.
	No, but that's who they're talking about.
	They're talking about.
	I'm modern Orthodox.
	What?
	Gandhi made you go back and say, I made a new one.
	No, no, no.
	You're right.
	But listen, we have to aspire to be.
	The only perfect one is Jesus.
	Go meet him then.
	Yeah.
	He probably did already.
	Where'd you grow up, Andrew?
	As Christian?
	Nah, we weren't religious.
	My parents weren't.
	He's still not to be.
	Yo, I'm so what?
	So it's so funny.
	Like, everybody, like, now that everybody hates Jews on the internet, they hate me for being Jewish.
	Before that, you're not Jewish.
	I know, but they think I am.
	Ah, the name.
	Which is really a sign of success if you think about it.
	Yeah.
	Well, that is also, yeah.
	Oh, I was going to say, like, people just hate you and then attach whatever.
	This is what it's like.
	This is a quick, the best example I can have for you.
	It's like whoever cuts you over, cuts you over, cuts you off in like a car.
	Yeah.
	It's just the first thing that you think you know about them, you attach to your anger.
	And they're like, oh, if it's a woman, you bitch, can't fucking drive, whatever.
	And so they just think that I'm Jewish.
	Yeah.
	And I just be letting them know.
	They don't care to check.
	They're just like, yeah, you must be just on you.
	Yeah.
	But you're not throwing them off the trail, though.
	You're right, dude.
	You gotta let them in, bro.
	And then when they see me in heaven, they're like, what are you doing?
	Someone's got some forgiving.
	Bye-bye.
	Someone's got some forgiving.
	Why'd your mom name you Israel?
	Was that a nah?
	So, actually, I was going to mention this while you were talking about naming your baby.
	So in Nigerian or Yoruba culture, when you have a baby, you meet the baby for about a week first.
	So you're in the house with the baby for about a week, get to know the baby a bit.
	And then Indians do their best.
	Yeah, you have the naming ceremony, right?
	Yeah, naming ceremony.
	Oh, no, wait, you went to one.
	Yeah.
	So we don't do baby showers.
	That's a new thing now in Nigeria.
	But we used to have, we still have naming ceremonies.
	And then, like, say, people from my mom's side and my dad's side, important people, like my mom and dad's parents gave me a different name.
	My dad's parents gave me a different name.
	My mom's big sister or favorite, you know, sister or something.
	So Israel was the name from the pastor from God that was ordained by me.
	So then Mobolaji was a second name that my parents gave me that name.
	Mobology.
	Mobolaji.
	Mobolaji.
	That's fire.
	Yeah.
	So it means born with wealth, born with riches.
	So each of my names have meanings.
	Mobology.
	Yeah.
	Do you saw it?
	That's what Israel means, actually.
	They look like the people of God.
	Mobolaji.
	Mobola.
	That's fire.
	Israel.
	Mobolaji.
	Timitayo or Duanio Olua Femi Olabi.
	I dis on ya.
	So that's all my names.
	But then again, as a pastor's doing all the religious leaders.
	What poor girl got it when you sang my name?
	Who's pussy?
	Come on, my guy.
	As a religious leader doing that, and then they have like sugar, salt, water, honey, and then we'll dip the finger in the water and say, this is the essence of life.
	And have a proverb about it.
	And then, yeah, say good, yeah, I don't know.
	Like some type shit like that.
	But then, yeah, I think it's beautiful.
	I think it's a cool thing to do.
	They have like the throwing of money, too.
	That's normal.
	We do that.
	Bro, we went to church.
	I just came back from Nigeria.
	Man, this is why I like the strips.
	That's why I love stripping.
	That's why my second boy people making it rain.
	Jesus up there in his underwear.
	I wrote this story.
	Nah, man.
	We're back in Nigeria at church.
	And then the offerings, we did a tithing and whatnot.
	But then we went back from my dad being ordained as a minister in this church.
	And then, yeah, to celebrate, we just, and then that's more money for Jesus.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	So, and it just looks cool because, you know, Naira and dollars don't compare.
	So when you take $500 over there, it's like...
	You let it rest.
	And it's cool, man.
	Even in the clubs, we were at the club there.
	And the vibe was so cool, man.
	Saxophone is playing as they're playing real, like, you know, hip-hop RB music in the club and the drummers.
	And then you're just there like this, this, this.
	And then, man, I just, I like that about our culture.
	We're not scared to flex.
	Like, Nigerians in Africa, we're the biggest flexors.
	Yeah.
	We taught all Africans or everyone else how to flex.
	You know, washing your hands with champagne, that shit.
	We started that.
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah.
	I didn't even know that.
	But it heard it out.
	I think I just said washing your hands.
	We champagne for over here.
	You gotta see.
	You have seen that one with the African dudes flexing the water.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, with the way that's pouring out water.
	Yeah, what's up, bitch?
	No, but the name Israel means like it was given to Jacob.
	Shut up.
	Tell me.
	You don't know what his name means?
	I'm joking.
	Jacob was named Israel.
	It's one who struggles with God.
	So it's like that entangled with an angel or something.
	Jacob wrestled God.
	Wrestled God.
	Came out strong.
	And that was the name given to him.
	Israel.
	Wow.
	Which is crazy.
	It's like there's a connection between the divine and the human.
	And then he came out strong.
	I forgot about that Bible story.
	When you said it now, those Christians wrestle with God every single day.
	There's a lot more wrestling.
	The funniest Jew story that y'all got in the Torah pointed him and said that was fire, dude.
	Let him know.
	Let him know.
	The funniest Jew story.
	Yes.
	Let him know who the boys are.
	Give me garlic.
	Come on.
	No, the funniest Jew story is when Abraham, God's about to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.
	And then he tells Abraham, yo, I'm going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.
	And then they tried to make a deal.
	Exactly, bro.
	Abraham's nephew was living in Sodom, and they were like, let me buy a fat life.
	What if I give you all the camels in town?
	What if I give you my daughter?
	God goes, if there's 50 righteous people, I won't destroy it.
	And Abraham's like, all right, bet.
	And he's like, oh, fuck, there's not 50.
	So then he goes, what about like 45?
	You won't destroy it.
	And he's like, all right, I won't.
	And he gets him down to 10.
	Yep.
	And really negotiates with body.
	They are good.
	And God's like, huh, that's the wrestling.
	That's how you do it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	On him, on him.
	You merchants.
	The star mitzvah.
	That's okay.
	So Was thinking, I was thinking.
	Oh, really?
	But Gefilta Fist is what you said, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's what it smells like afterwards.
	Are there any Jewish UFC fighters?
	There's a couple, right?
	It must be.
	I can't think of any right now, but back in the day, a lot of boxers were Jewish.
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	Back in the day, years ago.
	I'm trying to think.
	UFC fighters.
	There's popular fighters.
	They do well in the Olympics.
	I have a question.
	Izzy, I know you're a big fan of anime and the video games and all of that.
	When you were a kid, I don't know if you had the same thing.
	When I was a kid, I watched a lot of Dragon Ball Z, and I would just imagine I'm whoever it was at the time.
	You sort of got to grow up and be them.
	You got to be Goku or Gohan or Trunks or whoever your guy was.
	Who was your guy when you were a kid?
	And also, if you were in that world now, if you were in their universe, who would you want to fight the most?
	That's a good one.
	Okay, so that was a good question.
	Yeah, I didn't know where you're going.
	I was writing a lot to switch.
	Because you were swearing as a good fighter.
	It took a long time to get there.
	That was good, Miles.
	So for me, whenever I do fights now, like example, the Ancestor fight, I had Rock Lee in my mind.
	So when I was getting introduced, I took the weights off.
	Bam.
	Wrote Whittaker, Death Note.
	Depends.
	I always have a character I like to embody or a moment.
	Even when I fought Pereira the second time, I was Jet Lee and Unleashed.
	It doesn't have to be anime, but a character I relate to.
	As a kid, Power Rangers, Ninja Turtles, Action Man, there's a lot.
	Like, we used to just pretend to fight in the fields as a kid.
	If I would go back now, Power Rangers was like one of the top at the time.
	Which one?
	Yeah, which Ranger?
	Come on.
	Black Ranger.
	Either him or the Red Ranger.
	But the Black Ranger, because it was relatable.
	But the Red Ranger, he was cool too.
	But if I was going to, let me see.
	Damn.
	If they're going to kill somebody with a sword.
	Oh, for real.
	The green or the yellow Asian?
	The yellow is Asian.
	Yeah, black was black.
	Yellow is Asian.
	The white was my elementary school.
	He's an MMA fighter now, I think.
	The White Ranger.
	He wasn't.
	Is that Tommy?
	He wasn't.
	Tommy Queen.
	And then the same guy.
	Zach was black.
	I remember.
	But there was the Green Ranger, I think, killed someone with a sword.
	Damn.
	That's on bar.
	That's like a method.
	Yeah.
	Method acting.
	Yeah.
	Man.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Power Rangers star Miss to killing roommate with a sword.
	Oh, I admit so.
	Oh, shit.
	Wow.
	That's crazy.
	He or she.
	He had a roommate.
	That's sad.
	The saddest part of the whole thing.
	Power Ranger had a roommate, dude.
	You want to hear crazy?
	He was in a flex three-bedroom.
	Crazy Power Ranger stories.
	Yeah.
	The first cast of Power Rangers were really popular, and they were like, yo, we want more money.
	And it was a non-union set.
	They just fired all of them and brought new kids in.
	And nobody gave a fuck.
	Thing keeps moving.
	They thought they were bigger than the brand.
	Yo, Mark and Joey had a great comedy show.
	They put on their comedy show at Mary Lou's.
	Oh, yeah.
	Thank you for doing it, bro.
	Of course.
	Of course.
	It was very fun.
	And it's this spot that is on, was it St. Mark's between second and first?
	Yep.
	And how often are you guys going to do it?
	Right now, once a month.
	Yeah.
	And then hopefully more.
	Once it happens.
	I think it's a great, it's a great.
	It reminded me a little bit.
	There was this spot, Cabin.
	Do you remind me of Cabin?
	Yeah.
	The place is much cooler than Cabin, but the vibe of Cabin was there was like a bar area where people could hang out and chill.
	And then there was like a room for the show.
	And so I think it could build into something like that.
	So if you're in the city, man, go check out the show.
	Thank you for saying that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It was fun.
	What cool sets tonight?
	I don't know if I was gonna, but then I'm on baby.
	Last night was fun.
	You guys had fun?
	Yeah, it was good.
	Just the host was funny.
	Some of the guys that came up and girls.
	Yeah, it was a good show.
	I like the vibe.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I feel like you thought the show was all right last night.
	Yeah, I mean, come on.
	It could have been.
	I wanted to stand.
	I don't know.
	I know.
	I was exhausted.
	I know.
	I know.
	I understand.
	That baby's up at six every morning, no matter what.
	They don't care about my show.
	But yeah, I wanted you to, I want you to come out.
	How's Austin, bro?
	I saw you living it up at Austin.
	Bro, did you do Kill Tony?
	Nah, I thought you were going to do it.
	Nah, because I filmed on Mondays, but I just wanted to be at the comedy Mothership and just see.
	Because again, and I said this, for me, I was a fan of these guys and even us, like we're friends now, but meeting these guys for the first time, like Hans Kim, Ari and them.
	You probably watched them so much online.
	This is a cool moment to see them.
	This is cool.
	And again, I know for them, they feel the same way, but I'm a fan.
	Trust me, they're way more excited.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, well, I was like, way more excited.
	I kept on telling Tony, I was like, I'm so proud of you seeing us pop.
	And I was like, man, this was fucking cool.
	I told him probably like seven times.
	And he, I like the way he just takes pride in himself just walking around and showing us like, yeah, I did this shit.
	He's so little, but he's such a boss.
	He's just like, I mean, it's amazing what they've built that show to be.
	Like, Kill Tony.
	It's so good.
	Yeah.
	And they built it, man.
	And he's thoughtful about every aspect.
	They got it out the mud.
	Because it was the one at MSG.
	I told him at the end, I didn't like the fact that they rushed the second show at the end.
	I was like, what the fuck?
	That was my complaint.
	Yo, Dove can speak on this.
	Dove can speak.
	But he said it was because Madison Square Garden had a fine for 100K if they went overtime.
	It might even be more.
	True.
	Like, you got to get out that menu, bro.
	You got to get out that venue.
	Because they were just like, the next people, they didn't even have the buckets.
	They were just like, cool, boom.
	This guy comes up.
	Like all the comedians that had a set, they were like, 30-second sets.
	Correct.
	Cool.
	Thank you.
	We got to keep it moving.
	And I was just like, no, it's.
	Well, that's just me as a Karen.
	Because you know what it probably is?
	There was probably an event the next day, and they started loading in that night.
	Isn't that crazy?
	Because to you, you're still on an MSG, but to the venue, they're like, that's Tuesday.
	Yep, yeah, we got other shit.
	That's so crazy.
	Do you guys have like a production trailer whenever you go around the world?
	Do you have like a, what do you call it, like a set or something that you have to say, lighting or all that?
	Was that supplied by tell me?
	We were on this tour for months.
	Yeah.
	And I never really like inquired on how like we got all the lights and shit.
	I'm like, bro, I was about to say, I knew like I fucking mentioned every time I would show up, the lights would be there, and I'd be like, that's fire.
	Like, I guess it's astounding how much Dove does and you have no fucking clue.
	Yo, yo, yo, shut up, bro.
	Shut up.
	He was sitting.
	No, no, he was sitting.
	You talked about it.
	I showed up to the fucking venue once.
	I forget where we were.
	And there was like two 18 good trucks out there.
	That's what I'm saying.
	So you guys have to be a good friend.
	You're a good fucking friend.
	MSG.
	I showed up.
	No, no.
	It wasn't MSG.
	It was somewhere else.
	It was showed up.
	And I walked out and I was like, damn, who's here tomorrow?
	Because I thought it was like Crumbs and Roses or something.
	I was like, who the fuck is performing?
	And then I remember Dove and Cheryl are like, this is our stuff.
	And I go, we got two trucks.
	We were four on a big show?
	Yeah.
	We have four, but it was crazy.
	See how much money they're wasting?
	No, no, no.
	He's definitely on it.
	He's definitely vlogging it.
	No, but he didn't even know until for MSG as an example, like Drake or Travis Scott for an MSG show.
	That's 25, 35 trucks that are out there.
	Oh, shit.
	And we're talking about the 18-wheel hum.
	Yeah, I know the ones.
	And he's talking at MSG, everything needs to be unloaded by forklifts.
	So you've got dozens.
	They're just all lining up.
	It's pretty awesome when you see everybody put it together, but also when they take it apart.
	Yeah, like and they are.
	But he didn't know, he didn't know a few days ago from Jellyroll telling you how many trucks he had.
	And I'm like sitting there saying, What time was your loading to get this all up?
	And he's like, Walking chalk at three o'clock in the morning.
	And Andrew's like, Yeah, what's what?
	What time are you doing that?
	I was like, Yours was at 6 a.m.
	He says, I didn't see that.
	I was like, We saw it.
	You walk into an empty shell and there's more buildings outside.
	And it's in, and there's a whistle that blows.
	And then now the rigging crew comes in.
	Now, this.
	And then you so even if you have to go say Abu Dhabi when you do that, do you have to transfer all your stuff over?
	You'll get local vendors.
	Okay, I see.
	I see.
	But like, but like, I would say our show is probably has a lot more elements than the average stand-up show.
	Yeah, but like, I would say it's a production show.
	Tony is a production too.
	So they'll have multiple trucks.
	Yeah.
	But I think the average stand-up show doesn't do it like that.
	I think a lot of guys just show up and like, whatever's here, they do it.
	And we did that for years.
	But y'all have flames.
	We just, yeah, we wanted to see what we could do.
	And also, like, there's a part of you that is, there's a part of you that selfishly you want to put on the best show.
	There's also a part of you that, like, at least my relationship with the people who come out to the shows is like, they've built this with me.
	Yeah.
	Like, I have like this insane gratitude.
	I feel so guilty.
	Like, if they'll come to me and they'll ask me, like, oh, this thing is fucking to put a screen, it's another 10 grand.
	And it's like, but what if the people can't see?
	Like, those people probably came to five shows, like, and now they're going to be at MSG.
	And that's, yeah, we have to spend.
	Yeah, they got to share.
	So you feel, you do feel this like immense gratitude.
	I don't know if I'd have to ask a comic that like they were in movies first and then they did comedy.
	I wonder if they feel that same responsibility.
	I don't know if they do.
	And they might, but I feel like it is, it has to be the best show they've ever seen.
	Here's a question for you guys, both of you.
	I remember when I filmed my special, I put this all this money into it and I'm like, I don't know what the fuck I'm spending all this money on.
	Then you walk in and you see, I don't know, 50 people, 100 people working on this thing.
	And then you, I remember thinking to myself, and y'all are doing on a much larger scale.
	I remember thinking, oh, all of this is for me.
	And you feel, I had to block it out pretty quickly because it's like a lot.
	But you're like, when you walk into MSG, you walk in MSG, you see all these people working 6 a.m.
	How much pressure do you feel where it's like, oh, all of this is for me.
	I got to fucking deliver.
	Like, not just the fans that are coming.
	These people whose jobs are building this stage for me, putting this screen up for me, building this ring for me.
	Do you feel that?
	Because I felt that for a second and I was like, that will swallow me.
	No, to me, you're like, Xane, it's not my money.
	It's Dana's money.
	So, you know, that's cool.
	But again, I've heard from behind the scenes, there's only been ever two fighters that do like a ring walk beforehand, like go to the venue the night before.
	That's me and John Jones, the only two that go there, prep and just kind of have a little look-see.
	So when I did the one in Melbourne where I danced, I told everyone on the mic, please, I know if you're in the working, just don't film nothing like that, right, right, or that I did it.
	But then I felt like I'm gonna fucking kill this shit.
	I just felt like I just knew I didn't really feel pressure because I went to bed that night watching the rehearsal and just that's how I fell asleep with my phone in my hand, just like, again, this is gonna, this is gonna blow.
	So it took my mind off the fight and I was able to just be like, fuck.
	And then, yeah, so it wasn't pressure.
	It was just like, I was just like, I'm gonna fucking kill this shit.
	Yeah.
	That's how I felt.
	Yeah, I don't feel the pressure of that, but I do feel the gratitude of it at the end.
	Like, well, a lot of times go back to the venue and like maybe we'll be, we'll go to a seat where people are watching.
	And because it's, it's weird.
	Being a human is weird.
	You get used to unbelievable shit.
	Like, I'm sure that's what happens with you.
	You get used to going in there and like fighting a guy who's trying to kill you.
	People get used to war.
	Like there's just part of being a human being.
	We can get used to these like wild circumstances.
	So you can get used to performing an arena.
	But since you don't do that often, I've been back at MSG since I performed there.
	And I'm like, we performed twice.
	Like your fucking brain explodes when you're looking at another place.
	And that's where the gratitude sets in.
	When you see all the people working to like remove the floor, you start going, whoa, how fucking lucky am I?
	But it doesn't, it's not daunting beforehand.
	Like there's like one objective.
	Yeah, the first time I ever felt it, I remember when I was in Wildland Out, and I wasn't even big.
	When we go to the premiere party, I bring my friend who's not in the business and he's like, dog, so many people's livelihoods depends on you doing well on this show.
	And not me specifically, but in general.
	And that was the first time it ever occurred to me.
	And now, again, if I think about it too much, I get overwhelmed.
	But I'm like, fuck, that's always.
	You can't think about it too much.
	You just have to just accept it for it as I peek at it and understand, okay, this is what it is.
	And the one you talked about was after I fought first time in MSG with Brunson, the next night I went to watch the Knicks play, and that's when I was kind of like, what the fuck?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And I was like, oh, shit.
	Like, this was, I fought there last night.
	And now it's a fucking, the basketball is a plane.
Cheap Shot Empathy 00:15:17
	There's a logo there.
	Derek always says this to us.
	Whenever we're doing an arena, Derek opens the show.
	Derek Postman.
	Posting me, I saw him in Austin.
	Yeah.
	And he always says this, he's like, if we're doing an arena or something, he goes, you know, it takes two basketball teams to sell this out.
	That's a bar.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's fire.
	Like, if the Knicks just show up, no one's going to sell it out.
	I heard, I mean, I love the Knicks, and I don't really follow basketball, but we win it all this year.
	Yeah.
	I've heard that.
	Shout out to me, the logos in the city, big curve.
	Can we go through a couple of fight videos?
	Yeah.
	And then you just break down kind of what we got going on.
	That's a great idea.
	Let's do the street fighter.
	Yeah, that's a great idea.
	I mean, you have some hits.
	Do you have any great hits?
	Try and think.
	That's fire.
	What's a good one?
	That's fire.
	Street fight.
	Okay, what do we got?
	Okay.
	Oh, got popped.
	Nice recovery.
	The hair helped him.
	They called him a nigga, too.
	Nice.
	Let's go.
	I cannot square up.
	He's got to put his hair away because his hair is going to be a hindrance, maybe.
	But he's going to hide on him.
	Other guys go back by the wall.
	Squared up.
	He's got it.
	He's got.
	Asian guy calling the white guy a nigga.
	That's fucking.
	Oh, no.
	See, I don't support that.
	No.
	That's bad.
	They're not taking off his belt.
	I know they're not doing that.
	Damn.
	Why they took off his.
	That wasn't even a fight.
	That was just a guy getting cheap shot.
	Why'd they take his belt off?
	Yeah.
	No one else put his cigar down.
	That is crazy.
	Lock the doors.
	No.
	They cut the video right after they took his belt off.
	No, find a fair one.
	It's not even a nice belt.
	Like Street Fight of the U.S. What is going on?
	Yeah, who knows what happened after?
	I'm glad it cut off.
	Mark, that made me feel uncomfortable that you brought that before.
	I didn't know what it was, bro.
	Let's go.
	Next one.
	That's a better one.
	Oh, nice.
	I like this one.
	Leg kick.
	Oh, I've seen this one.
	Yep, cool.
	Okay.
	Established range.
	Oh, they're not swinging.
	Oh, took the shoes off.
	Shoes are having me on.
	Oh, there we go.
	Put the shoes back on.
	Asian guy's on.
	Asian guy got a nice nice.
	Oh, right.
	And the other guy shouldn't have just kept on walking in.
	He did the same thing.
	Oh, that's nice of him, though.
	Put him down and then try and help him back up.
	Nah, that's disrespectful.
	Yeah, it's not.
	Don't knock me out and then get help him.
	I think he came from that guy.
	His problem was he was just rushing back in after getting clipped and like, cool, let's do it again.
	That's ego.
	You have to just pull back and reassess and do something different.
	Yeah.
	Spit at him.
	Yeah.
	Spit at his eyes.
	And then you do something.
	Yeah, What was that guy who would prank the dudes?
	He talked shit and then get naked.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's the way to do it, though.
	Have you seen that Keen Peel sketch, man?
	Where it's Mike Tyson, and he's Jordan Peele is Mike Tyson, and he's going up against another boxer.
	I think he's but and he starts saying what he's gonna do.
	This box is like, I'm gonna beat him up on the fight promo thing, the bike promo.
	And then Mike Digger goes, I'm gonna fuck you in the ass.
	And then people kept going.
	Eagle kept saying that was Drake and Kendrick.
	And Drake was the guy that was like kind of being playful with it.
	And Kendrick is a guy that was like, No, I'm gonna take his soul from his body.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I'm gonna fuck you ass, and then I'm gonna kiss you, and then we're gonna date.
	I'm gonna tell you certain things about you that I'm comfortable sharing, but I'm gonna bro.
	That shit was diabolical.
	This is gonna be.
	Oh, yo.
	So this video has everything, I think.
	First of all, okay, I see.
	Got a Brazilian in there.
	See, dumb looking.
	I like it.
	I see you.
	All right, you ready?
	Let's go.
	Oh, is this Austin?
	It's got to be Austin Tech for sure.
	Oh, sixth Street.
	Sixth Street.
	5v1.
	5v1.
	Oh, no way.
	Oh, for real.
	5v1.
	Nah, that's dumb.
	I don't like street fights, eh?
	Yeah, I just think it's not worth it.
	And my ego is in check.
	See all this?
	Because you can get cheap shot from the back.
	Like this guy about to get cheap shot at the guy in the black.
	Oh, he just didn't lost focus.
	Took his eyes off the target.
	5v1.
	Boom.
	Everyone.
	2v1.
	Slinging.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's dumb.
	Run.
	Oh, Jesus.
	Yeah, Austin would be wild.
	Oh, he's swinging.
	He got two so far.
	He dropped.
	That's why I have to keep moving.
	I like what he's doing.
	Keep moving and keep hitting.
	Never stay in one place.
	He's moving and hitting.
	Classic.
	That's what's up.
	Cops pull up.
	Because he won.
	Oh, that's it.
	Mark, find the video of the skater fighting like a fighter.
	Oh, that's a classic one.
	This video ended rollerblading.
	Yeah.
	This video ended rollerblading.
	It was it.
	Yeah, that was classic.
	Skater fights.
	175 guys.
	Skateboarder fights four skaters, I think.
	Yeah, no, that was a good one.
	Again, good strategy.
	Right there.
	It's like an iconic classic.
	Yeah, it's original.
	Takes a shirt off.
	This guy's a legend.
	Yeah, Mike Valley.
	Yeah.
	I think I've seen him talk about it as well.
	They called him a skater.
	Yeah.
	Again, I like that.
	Yeah, thank you.
	Oh, yeah, true.
	No, it was written right there.
	I'm just quoting.
	Oh, that's it, boom.
	Again, strike hard strike first.
	In a situation like this, you can't wait for them to.
	I'm going to be the righteous one.
	Let them hit me first.
	Ain't that karate can't strike hard strike for you?
	Right.
	Right.
	Oh.
	Oh, and you're going down.
	Boom, boom.
	Turn around straight away.
	I like it.
	Oh, he's been in some tussles before.
	Yeah.
	Mike Valley is like street kid.
	Yeah.
	What's his name?
	Mike Valely.
	I like that market.
	We always look it up.
	Yeah, I appreciate it.
	Wow.
	I mean, there's a whole YouTube page with millions of views.
	But I like that with Street Fight Companion.
	Yeah, you know, big cat loves this freestyle business.
	Yeah, but David Street Fight.
	He's the producer of Freestyle Bennett, so he kind of lets us know if it's kosher, if you will, on brand.
	Street Fight Companion.
	Would you do anything commentating?
	Not now.
	But even the breakdowns that I do, I give really basic insights into things.
	I don't try and give the sauce.
	Yeah.
	I don't want people to know how I think.
	I did a little bit for during COVID when I did the breakdowns early on of my old fights.
	Yeah.
	And then you just kind of like start giving away the juice.
	But like, let's say one day in the future, 20 years from now, something like that.
	That'd be fun.
	That'd be fun.
	You and Vulcan dude together just commentating after you both retire.
	It would be so good.
	I mean, I'll do something for the UFC just for fun, for the lulz.
	But sorry, you know how the NFL.
	I don't know if you watch NFL football, but they do a Manning cast on Monday nights where both Manning brothers have the regular commentary, but you can also go to ESPN 2 or whatever.
	Peyton and the line manager just talking during a game.
	Yeah.
	You and Volk doing that.
	You, Volk, and Hooker doing that could be just so good.
	Just viewing and just kind of like what we're going to do tonight.
	Watch party type.
	It's also fun because, and like, that's why I think having a guy like DC in there is so valuable.
	It's like a guy who's a fighter.
	Former champions.
	Like having people who have been in there and they may or may not know.
	But sometimes, sometimes they be saying some shit.
	And I'm like, no, no, they get it wrong.
	Yeah, no, no, not even that.
	It's like their emotions get the best of them.
	Yeah.
	And I'm like, be neutral.
	You can see it.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, you can see it.
	But again, that's why you have professionals like John Anik and Rogan as well who can just try and be even if Rogan is a friend with someone or John Anick, they can kind of like separate themselves.
	But fighters, we are emotional beings.
	So we sometimes like Michael Bisping, shout out to him because one time in Vegas, my second or first year in the UFC, no, first year in the UFC, after I fought Brad Tavares, he comes, I'm at a pool party, I'm shirtless, and then he comes up, sees me, gets on the fucking bar.
	That's the fucking guy, takes his shirt off and all this.
	But then we have a real DNM and he tells me, like, you know, I probably said a lot of things about you out of jealousy.
	Oh, that was cool.
	I appreciated that.
	And then he gave me some game.
	And then at the end of the night, he goes, check this.
	Boop.
	Pops his eye.
	I'm drunk.
	He's drunk.
	And I'm like, what the fuck?
	He's like, hold it.
	And he's telling me, like, yo, this, this is the sacrifice you have to make.
	Sometimes you have to be careful where you fight this and that.
	Make sure you get in here, do your thing, get your money, and get out.
	Because this and this and that.
	And I'm like, cool.
	He's like, yeah, careful, careful, cool.
	Give it back to him.
	And then that was it.
	So again, that's one of those moments.
	Crazy.
	I don't know if we took that.
	I took a photo with Jorge that night, but I don't think I took a photo with Bisping.
	But that was a moment for about 40 minutes.
	We hung out, drank, and then we had that moment where we just talked for about 20 minutes after and just like, oh shit.
	And he put his eye in my hand to let me know, this is some real shit.
	This is what could happen to you if you don't play the game right.
	So yeah, I appreciate those moments.
	Even with GSP, he always pops in into my life, kind of like Avatar Roku in a way.
	Okay.
	He'll just pop into my life.
	Like in Austin Heos, he just showed up and again, dropping wisdom.
	Boom, boom.
	And I'm like, yes, I need this.
	Thank you, Master.
	Yeah, it's a mist.
	Like having those people who have had that experience, like going from nowhere to the top, and you're now one of these people.
	It's interesting because like the behavior of most, I'm not saying this is you, but the behavior of most when like they're at the bottom and nobody notices them, there's like a freedom to that because you say wild shit about the people at the top because they're these mythical figures.
	They're not real.
	You've never met them.
	So they don't have families, they don't have emotions or whatever.
	And like I've even noticed that like in our business, it's like you start to get a little bit higher and then you start meeting these people and then you realize everything you say on a podcast, everybody hears about it.
	Yeah.
	Like Kamala watched us do the rants for us 100%.
	Or at least someone on her team, like, you know, and you start going, oh, wow, like these people are these people, human beings.
	And then you start going like, you got to really believe what you say or really believe in the jokes of it.
	We're at a point now where like everybody hears.
	And it's something you think about like when you start meeting them and you meet a lot of people that you think might suck that end up not sucking.
	And they end up being kind of like good people who are a little bit misunderstood or they really want to be famous.
	So maybe they do something that once you meet them, you're like, oh, you don't even really believe that, but you wanted to have success for whatever reason.
	You start to have like a lot more empathy for them.
	You humanize them.
	Yeah, 100%.
	And yeah, that's just like a wild experience.
	Speaking of which, you trained with Zuck, right?
	Zuck.
	Yeah, that was fun.
	Like, Zuck to me is not like a human being.
	So I can say whatever I want about a rap tunnel.
	And then you meet him.
	He's a fucking human being.
	Yeah, he doesn't.
	He's got a wife and some kids.
	I love his setup.
	Again, I love who he is as a person.
	And when I went to spa him, I let him know.
	I was like, okay, because he invited us to his house.
	Yeah.
	And he's in the house with the bunker.
	No, I don't know why he was.
	We're at Tahoe.
	And again, he's got a great setup.
	I love his setup.
	It's similar to what I have in mind for myself.
	And then when we went to the gym to train and it was time to spa, I was like, right, too close.
	Pop.
	Cool.
	Okay.
	You're too close, pop.
	And then he was learning.
	He was learning on the fly.
	And then he'd throw a leg kick.
	And again, hard leg kick, but I can take it.
	And then we were just going at it.
	But I didn't try to hurt him.
	I was just letting him know.
	Like, if you really want to be about this, you have to be about this.
	And I respect the guy.
	He's game, bro.
	He is game.
	Like, he, his technique is a lot better.
	Now, he had ACL surgery, I think, so he's getting better.
	But he's just passionate about the game.
	This is, you wouldn't expect from a guy like that who's accomplished.
	Like, this is a guy that fucking owns Facebook and Instagram.
	So for me, just to hang out with him and, again, humanize him, at the end, I was like, when I was in, man, you're a lot cooler than I expected.
	I appreciate it just hanging out with him.
	I feel like his rebrand has gone really well.
	Insane.
	What a way to do that.
	There was an idea of him.
	And now that idea has changed completely.
	That's because it was through either the movie and people just their own perception until he decided to start being more active on social media and letting people know who he is.
	People only know what you share.
	And if you share a certain thing that people tend to judge, like there is a little reflection on that where you go, oh, wait, maybe I'm partially responsible for this.
	But now most people don't think that unless collectively it happens.
	It's individuals.
	They don't.
	Then they follow the crowd and like, oh, I guess he's cool now.
	I'm going to jump on the trend.
	Yes.
	So yeah.
	But he's a cool dude.
	I always have respect for that guy.
	You never met him?
	I've never met him.
	Now you and him will get along.
	He's like, at first, when you meet him, he's a little standoff.
	Not standing off.
	It's just awkward.
	But then once you get to know him, he's cool.
	Then he's just a regular dude.
	Do you think some of it is getting humbled through like fighting, essentially?
	I would imagine.
	No, maybe training would be.
	Training, because definitely every day you get humbled.
	Every day.
	There's no fake humility in fighting.
	It's not this like, oh, I want to act like I'm nah.
	You get your ass kicked.
	You know you suck and you get bitter and then you do it to someone else and then you suck again.
	So yeah, I think so.
	I think definitely fighting would have helped him because, and again, like for someone to actually want to do that, crazy.
	And I respect that.
	Someone who actually wants to get in there professionally, even if it's against Elon or whoever else, he still will fight.
	I don't think Elon would fight him, but I think he'll definitely fight.
	I think it's a good exercise, though, for powerful people.
	Yeah.
	Because when you're as powerful as he is, right?
	And we're not talking about just like regular power.
	Like every country, if he wants to call up a prime minister, he can.
	Boom, easy.
	Because think about the influence that Facebook has in that country.
	Worldwide.
	Like, I mean, I imagine like a part of Elon buying Twitter is his ability to access every single leader in the world.
	Hey, I own this platform.
	Yeah, was that it?
	Was that it?
	Okay, yeah.
	So it was like, I didn't know if it was an off-camera thing or no, he's not on camera.
	Okay, so, okay.
	So, but the, so Mark Cuban was on and he was saying that, like, what an influence you have on the world.
	So, so Zuckerberg has it.
	And once you have that kind of power, people are, they might not be real with you.
	Yeah.
	And you're not a real person to them.
	And he's going to get intoxicated by that.
	Of course.
	So, like, once you start doing something that is humbling, it could be a sport.
	It could be playing basketball and just getting fucking dunked on, but fighting is probably the ultimate humbling because you have to realize in that moment while you're being choked out.
	This person is choosing to not kill me.
	All the money in the world can't say nothing can stop that.
	And maybe he's, I mean, he's clearly a smart guy, but maybe he's smart enough to realize that like his psyche needs that.
	Yeah.
	His psyche needs to be reminded.
	You're just a dude.
	I think men are starting to understand like it's not just about his brain and bronze and you can be the richest this and that.
	But then that we talk about that power dynamic.
	That's why all this fucking Wall Street guys go pay hookers to like lash them.
	And there's this thing called uh uh, white-collar boxing in New York, where they all true, there would be these like walls we have that in New Zealand.
	Uh yeah, like all these guys not Wall Street, but like businessmen they do uh the charity boxing thing.
	So they train for maybe eight, nine weeks and then, and then they do the smokers.
	And we call them smokers here like a non-sanctioned, like amateur fight, but like I think a part of it is like hey, I need one to get out the energy.
	But also there's like a nice humbling.
	They need it, you need it to like learn and fight club.
Calcifying the Mind 00:02:53
	Yeah 100 no, it's good, it is, bring that back.
	Did Zuck say he actually wants to compete professionally?
	even without the because the Elon fight was like the thing that made it really popular between them two, but isn't he said professionally, but like to enter a tournament, yeah, to know like a smoker, but he'll fight someone that's equally because he did the jiu-jitsu company.
	Shout out to him, he did it under a different name till he walked on the mat.
	And then people were like, oh shit, and that was smart.
	So that way, people don't know, I'm fighting Zuck.
	So they did it under a different name, put up on the mat.
	And those who saw it saw it.
	And he did well.
	He won the fight.
	So yeah, I think he will at that level.
	Not like, again, professionally, just someone who can hang with it.
	It's very easy to, when you get successful, to stop doing hard things.
	You have to do hard things.
	I always say this to Joe, but it's like doing, he's addicted to making himself uncomfortable.
	And it's why he's so great: he's not afraid to constantly make himself uncomfortable.
	And once you get money, it's very easy to be comfortable.
	And you see, like, the kids of wealthy people, oftentimes, they shy away from, yeah, but like they shy away from discomfort because they don't ever have to be as comfortable.
	They never had to be.
	Think of the level of discomfort you had to go through to get where you are.
	Yeah.
	You have to go live in China.
	Fuck Chinese women.
	Oh, no, that wasn't comfortable.
	That was bad.
	That was really good.
	That was fine.
	There's a billion of them.
	No, no, no, no.
	But like, like the amount of amount of fucked up shit you had to go through, right?
	And it's like, if you just stop making yourself uncomfortable, what would happen up here?
	Something, there's going to be a change.
	I've been there.
	You know, there's ways I felt when I'm like, I could feel it.
	Like, you're like, okay, I got to find a way to just be the last, bro.
	Every time I'm about to hop every night before I hop into the cold pool, my brain would always try and stop me.
	So I'll override that by just like, nope, I'm the master of my own body.
	And I just boom, straight away, dive in there, feel the thing, being there for two minutes, go on the spa.
	And then again, but the first one, it's always just that your brain's like, no, no.
	And you're just like walking through, and I just boom, dive in.
	So again, you do that reps, you kind of calcify your mind.
	You make yourself the master of your own destiny.
	And it transfers into other bits of your life where you just, I have to go.
	So this camp, I'm going to find other ways to make myself uncomfortable.
	Might start going yoga because I don't really have a camp yet.
	So I'm just, I have some free time.
	So I'll maybe do something different.
	Like yoga is nice.
	What else?
	I can't stretch like these Lululemon chicks.
	Yeah.
	You know, so I want to get to that level.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You want to be able to stretch like them.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Get some fucking.
	I feel like you're flexible.
	You could do all this thing and everything.
	I'm flexible, but again, I'm 35.
	It's different.
	Yeah.
	So I'm not the same.
	Like sometimes if I am not striking as often as I should be, takes me about a week and a half maybe to get my back.
Making Yourself Uncomfortable 00:14:54
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	But when I was younger, bro, I'd be out all night.
	Get out of bed, fuck something.
	Not even sleep, go to sparring.
	And yeah, but I can't do that anymore because I'm older and I'm smarter now.
	Yeah.
	So I'm not as wild as I used to be, but still, time and place.
	Yes, there's a time and place.
	Guys, anything else for the one, the only the last style vendor?
	I don't know if you can talk about this, but the UFC recently settled the class action lawsuit with like a bunch of fighters.
	Yeah.
	Does are all the fighters included in that class action?
	I think it's from a certain period.
	So I don't really know too much about it, but I think it's from a certain period.
	And I don't even know if it's still going on.
	I think maybe he's rejected it.
	So it's going to, yeah, is it going to do a miss like a mistrial, I think?
	They're going to do an actual trial instead of a settlement.
	I see.
	Okay, so the judge did reject it.
	But again, it doesn't include me, includes some fighters from a certain time period.
	So yeah, that would be interesting.
	We'll see what happens.
	Yeah.
	Anything else?
	That's a good answer.
	You're media trained, bro.
	This is the stop under the film.
	Oh, we're going to talk about the film.
	Yeah, I mean, you saw the film.
	This is so crazy.
	We saw the over a year ago.
	Look, so I'll say this.
	It was just sometimes some people can't see the forest for the trees.
	And I've always said I'm not local.
	I'm global.
	And at least now the movie can globally be filmed, be seen.
	And I'm happy about that because you've seen it.
	You saw what it wasn't really a fight documentary.
	It was a fight documentary, but it was more about, say, me dealing with this lifestyle of spotlight.
	And for me, the best picture I saw was a lady on a plane knitting, an old lady on the plane knitting, watching it.
	And someone sent me that.
	And I thought that was cool.
	So that way it shows that it's not just a film about a fighter.
	I mean, there's a few storylines, but what a magical one that when they're making it, they didn't know that you're going to beat Padera the second time.
	Yeah.
	Not at the beginning.
	They hurried it up because, again, sometimes some people.
	But that is included.
	That is included.
	At the end, but they rushed that bit because I think they stopped filming before the Pereira New York fight.
	So then the film was then in post while that was happening.
	So they kind of put that bit at the end.
	But again, the story's still being written.
	But right now, this film.
	It's about you and your fight with your own life and like how you're coping with these things.
	Yeah, I think that is.
	But there will be another thing I think about that saga with you and Alex.
	Yeah.
	And I think that that would be.
	30 for 30.
	Yeah, I think you got to get Bill Simmons or something like that to do it.
	Like he was the guy who started the 30 for 30 stuff, I'm not mistaken, right?
	Yeah.
	It's like, I think it's got to be that caliber.
	And it's, but this is great because this is if you're like a real fan of you, you get to explore like an emotional side of you that you'll share on pods and that kind of stuff.
	But like you're like crying in it.
	You're like really talking about what makes you insecure, what makes you uncomfortable.
	This is the most exposed I've ever felt on TV.
	So even the first time I got on a plane and I realized, oh shit, my film's on the plane.
	Yeah.
	I shut down.
	So I got into my seat.
	There was a whole family and I just like, I was really awkward.
	And now in my head, I just assumed like people would be watching it and then, or maybe seeing it and then like I just felt so insecure about it.
	I'm fine now.
	But that was the first time and I read, I might have had an edible or something.
	So it made me more sensitive.
	But then I was just very like, oh shit, I didn't want to be seen.
	So I just shut down for the rest of the flight.
	But I'm fine with it now, exposing myself.
	And now it's going to be seen in North America.
	I think it's on Prime and Apple TV.
	And Apple TV.
	Yeah.
	Globally.
	Even YouTube.
	You can rent it.
	Oh, yeah.
	So, but again, it's like, cool.
	This is me.
	I'm a human being.
	I'm a human animal.
	I have a range of emotions that can be seen in this film from when I was a kid to now.
	But again, if people are going to take whatever they want to take from this, I'd say I practice what I preach when I talk about people dealing with their mental health because they don't want to get mentally ill, like physically.
	And I actually show them how to do it.
	Because most people who don't, they think, oh, I'm not crazy.
	I'm going to go see some therapist or whatever.
	But then I'm showing you, this is, it's simple.
	Last time I went, I'll talk to Jenna would have been a month ago.
	Before that, I didn't realize when she told me, Izzy, it's been three years.
	And I was like, really?
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, fuck.
	So I was like, holy shit.
	And I just thought maybe like a year.
	And she's like, no, Izzy, it's been three years.
	I was like, are you serious?
	It's like, yeah.
	But then life, the tools I got from her, right, helped me deal with a lot of things.
	And I just, cool.
	But then there's the residuals you don't know about that just pile up.
	And then you just, I'll deal with that later, but you don't know you're doing that.
	And it got piled up to a point that after that incident with the fucking dickhead, I was just like, nah, fuck this.
	So I kind of shut down.
	And then I like, yo, Jenna, can we talk?
	Got some stuff off.
	I didn't want to bombard her.
	So when I get back home now, I'll talk to her about some new stuff and be like, right, I got this to deal with now.
	I mean, piling up homework.
	So in that movie, when I show people how to do it, you know, I practice it as well.
	And yeah, I fall off.
	Like I said, it's been three years.
	Every life change requires a reset.
	Yeah.
	Every single one.
	Like having a kid.
	Having a kid.
	And like it throws, you think you have it all figured out.
	And then you have a kid and you are back to zero.
	Square one.
	And you have to refigure it all out.
	And that, I mean, that's the important of having like a partner that's down to figure it out with you because that shit is, that's why you got to choose, you got to choose that partner wisely.
	And, but I imagine in your life, every trying to become champion, becoming champion, like losing the belt, gaining the belt, like all these things.
	What is my new identity without the belt?
	Now I got it again.
	Oh my God, everybody loves me now that I have the belt again.
	But maybe they never stopped loving me.
	Maybe they did.
	Maybe they just like all these things, if you just ignore and put to the side, you're going to deal with them through stress.
	And I thought that's what was cool about the film is you trying to fucking figure it out.
	Yeah.
	It still am constantly.
	Like even now in this new level, you know, there's even in my personal life, I try and keep it as private as I can.
	But then in this film, there was one point the director was like, we need a love interest.
	I was like, hell no.
	I knew straight away.
	I was just like, because I knew at the time I was like, this ain't it.
	This ain't the one.
	But there was sort of a love interest.
	Yeah, but then she tried.
	I was like, no, this ain't the one.
	Like, instinctively.
	Instinctively.
	Well, it wasn't for me anyway.
	So the casting wasn't for me.
	But look, I do get like FOMO.
	You know, you just had a kid.
	You did.
	He just got engaged.
	But the thing is, I'm grateful for is.
	You got engaged?
	Yeah.
	David just got engaged.
	And Tahiti did all that.
	Yeah.
	What's his name?
	Nah, but she fucking changed him.
	Bro, so he lives.
	They kick me out.
	He did some gruff at Lord.
	But what's this?
	What's this?
	The house that my first house I ever bought, he lives in that.
	They kick me out, right?
	And then now every time I go there, it's always clean.
	And I'm like, why the fuck wasn't this place spotless when we lived together?
	But again, you bring out the best in you to show you.
	She did.
	You get a good one.
	They bring out the best.
	She did.
	And I'm proud of him for that because of the growth he's had.
	And I see that.
	And then I was kind of getting to this point where I was just like, man, you know, I'm fine.
	Again, I'm a man.
	Shout out.
	Dick Pride.
	But still, you know, it's like, oh, it'll happen.
	It'll happen.
	But then when I was golfing with Kelly early this year, he didn't tell us me like, yeah, he's about to have a second one.
	I think it's public, not public news, but it's on a story on Instagram or something.
	So he's had a second kid at 52.
	Who, Slater?
	Yeah.
	11.
	Yeah, the girl.
	The girl.
	Yeah, my bad.
	Kelly Slater.
	Yeah.
	That might have been the coolest thing about the sphere is I got to like meet.
	Oh, he met him.
	Yeah, he was there.
	That was awesome.
	He's the man.
	Such a cool dude.
	He is.
	There's no little 52 at all or 53 now, maybe.
	But just had a second kid.
	He's been out to health forever, though.
	He's been locked in.
	In the ocean.
	Yeah, the ocean.
	But go on, you were saying.
	Yeah, but again, he talked to me about that.
	And kind of him and one thing Bill Burr said years ago, just kind of let me know, like, it's fine.
	There's no rush.
	Because again, if you start rushing, because you know, a lot of these girls, they do that.
	They're trying to like, oh, it's like 35, but I need someone.
	And they find the wrong guy, settle down, have a kid with the wrong guy.
	Now you got to deal with that guy for the rest of your life.
	Yeah.
	That ain't me.
	I'm not trying to be that person.
	So, yeah, I'm just gonna chill and probably one day share this part of my life.
	But at the moment, I like peace.
	I like, and this is where I met with peace: just me, myself, and I.
	And then doing all this to better myself will attract not just that, but the best thing.
	Because already it's attracting the best deals and positions for me.
	Like, look, we've got Broke Boy, we've got his company that's doing well, and all these other things that are happening I can't really talk about right now.
	But it's because I'm just focused on me and being the best me.
	So, yeah, I feel like I'm in a good place.
	But again, still happen when it's supposed to.
	Yeah, I'm still in a race.
	Yeah, me too.
	Even when I was in LA, I said this.
	I tried to get on Ryan for the last two years.
	They're still trying to process me.
	And I was like, you know what?
	I'm going to get on Hinge to see what's up.
	But then Hinge is not what I thought it was.
	Nah.
	Wait, what was it?
	No, it's just like the whole fucking questionnaire.
	You have to fight.
	Ryan didn't accept you.
	That's racist.
	That's some racist shit.
	That makes me feel.
	Oh, no, we're going to.
	Wait, we'll figure out that Ryan.
	No, Ryan was more like, I'm just like, he's fine.
	Let's see what's happening.
	But then it wasn't.
	I was like, still.
	But then Hinge, I was like, they're all looking for some damage on Ryan.
	That's what I'm trying to do, man.
	I was trying, but you could walk outside for five minutes.
	He'll be fine.
	Yeah.
	I'd rather.
	Look, I'd rather, if I'm going to get rejected, I'd rather happen the old-fashioned way, real life, face-to-face.
	You know what I mean?
	Rather than like swiping, swiping.
	Why do you need a dating app?
	I don't, but I just thought I'd try it just for the laws.
	Just for the laws.
	You should see the girls in Auckland.
	They're there.
	That's what I'm saying.
	While we're out here, we shoot.
	What happened?
	What's the deal?
	They got too much sheep in them.
	Look, there's some, there's some.
	There's some really nice girls out there.
	But if you talk about per capita, like in New York, in New York and LA, it's crazy.
	We're spoiled.
	We're spoiled, bro.
	Bro, constantly.
	We're in the streets just like me and Matt.
	It was like, fuck.
	I'm not even shy about it anymore.
	That's why in the airports, I just put shades on so I can perv in peace.
	You're a lot of look.
	You're a lot of look.
	They don't know.
	You're a lot of look.
	They came outside.
	Yeah, I'm outside.
	Why did they come outside?
	Why are you looking at me too?
	I'm looking at you.
	Yeah, I'm looking at me, looking at you, looking at me.
	Exactly.
	I like those.
	They're fun.
	And you get some good interactions, but yeah, you get some weird ones.
	I had a stalker.
	No.
	Yeah.
	That's my bad.
	Yeah.
	Well, the one that I found.
	What happened?
	What happened?
	What did she look like first?
	So I had to.
	This is just for, I'd send this to my lawyer because I was like, okay, I need to get this on film just so he knows.
	And then he's like, right, you need to send her a restraining order.
	So I got her on the cam on the camera because she somehow found the ding-dong.
	And when I asked her how, she goes, honestly, whoa, that's wild.
	Hold on one second.
	That's not a stalker, bro.
	That's that's just.
	She found the ding-dong.
	I mean, the number to get to my apartment.
	So yeah.
	Nah, you got to let her in.
	No, no, no.
	She needs help.
	Well, let me tell you, oh, she needs help.
	She needs help.
	She'll turn around.
	No, no, it's crazy.
	I think she's Colombian too.
	So you know they were smiling.
	That was the Road Rage guy's sister.
	Nah, but so for real.
	You can see it from the front.
	Yeah.
	Fire.
	But but so one time.
	You see it from the front?
	No, no, no.
	So one time.
	She's better than me, bro.
	Nah, single, and I got girls in the front.
	Nah, but again, I'm glad I have a little bit of discipline a little bit.
	Sometimes I don't.
	But this is what I'm glad I did because if I did, then I'm pretty sure I'd have problems right now.
	You got to jerk off to the security camps.
	Then you let her in.
	Why do you think he took that video?
	For the Lord.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's what I call my dick, too.
	Lay down the law.
	Yeah, hopefully.
	No, but again, like shit like that doesn't happen all the time.
	But I'm sure, look, I'm sure people have stalkers that are really good that they don't know about.
	Yeah, trap them up.
	All these NBA players.
	Bro, the amount of older women that get with these young players.
	Oh, that's all game.
	That's sad.
	No, but again, look, if like you see someone, you're like, cool, that's legal.
	It's legal.
	They just know the game.
	Like, they know, yeah.
	They're hot.
	They're 42.
	They're like, cool, I'm going to get you.
	You're 21.
	Bang.
	And also, like, the kids, I think this is a little bit different now, but like, if you're a superstar athlete, you're famous at like probably around 14.
	Oh, really?
	In America, right?
	Because they start recruiting you to all these things.
	Like, you're getting offers.
	And like, they don't really develop the skills to talk to girls because they're just a superstar athlete and they're just practicing.
	So they don't really, so they're like kind of awkward and uncomfortable.
	And then this older girl that knows how to make them comfy, they got that maternal instinct.
	They're also not really tripping when they're going out there, like talking to other girls.
	They're not trying to lock them down.
	Like these young ones are like, yeah, go have some fun.
	And like, oh my God, this girl's the coolest girl ever.
	She's letting me do this.
	Gotcha.
	And these girls are technically also pedophiles.
	Yeah, that also.
	The guys are 21, whatever, it's legal.
	Yeah, rumors.
	But again, if it was the other way, I mean, Leo gets away with it.
	So pregnant him.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he knows what he's doing.
	Yeah.
	I wonder if he catch and release.
	Catch and release.
	That's the one.
	Catch and release.
	Snip.
	If you're Leo, or like if you're somebody, would you just freeze your sperm in a few different places?
	You can put it back, right?
	You can reverse it.
	Yeah, he's got to snip.
	I'm just too scared.
	I just, yeah.
	No, don't snip.
	No, hell no.
	I'm good.
	Yeah.
	Again, look, when I was wilder, I never had a baby because I never pulled out of a fight, but my pull-out game is elite.
	Elite.
	Elites.
	Elites.
	But then now, again, I'm smart.
	I'm smart now.
	And Auckland, again, it's just the cesspools.
	Just everybody's fucked everybody.
	That's the other thing.
	Like, I imagine like small city.
	You know, Val.
	He was only there for a week, but he never.
	This guy, this guy is a bad guy.
	I love him.
	That's why we, hey, you know what?
	He does.
	This is, he does this shit.
	It is so funny.
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	I love it.
	I love it, though.
	If there's a dude that will be like, come hang for whatever reason.
	It don't matter who it is.
	They might become hanging.
	And like, they'll say, yeah, I just started dating this girl, right?
	And Valam will do this shit all the time.
	Oh, where from?
	He's like, oh, she lives in LA.
	And he'll be like, oh, oh, what's her name?
	And then he'll be like, he'll be like, oh, yeah, Megan.
	And he goes, oh, Megan.
	Every single time.
	He goes, oh, yeah, Megan.
	And then he don't follow up.
	And the dude just sits there like, what'd you mean?
	Did you dick down Mike's girl?
	What exactly do you mean by oh, yeah, Megan?
	The whole rest of the night sits in his head.
	Like, the fuck did Val mean?
	That's an evil guy right there.
	And Megan, do you know?
	You know, you know, Val?
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's Val.
	Isn't that a horrible thing to say?
	Oh, yeah, Megan.
	He's just letting him know.
	For a year and a half, he does this a lot.
	He does this a lot.
	We did some innocent fun, did we not?
	Yeah, we did.
	It was innocent fun.
	And fun.
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	We didn't do anything.
	Volley said you were crazy in bed.
	When you came back, he said, Yeah.
	Shannon Sharp put up like a shirtless pig.
	And like, Valam is looking.
	He's like, Yo, look at Shannon Sharp.
	And Shannon's just looking jagged.
	And we're all like, damn, that motherfucker's jacket.
	He's like 50 years old.
	How he's still jacking.
	Volla goes, yo, he must be crazy in bed.
	What?
	And was I right?
	You know what I'm saying?
	Shout out to Shelves.
	Crazy stuff.
	Anyway, listen, Izzy, we love you, bro.
	We are excited to be on this journey, man, and see what's next for you.
	And you know, we're there to support you.
	Likewise, brother, this has been a great job.
	And love forever and last stop.
	Flagrant crew, gang.
	Why?
	Why?
	Love you.

Chapters

00:00:00 The Bluetooth Pill Fight
00:05:56 War Always Comes Home
00:19:53 American Meme Culture
00:21:55 Giving Money to Jews
00:30:00 Nobody Believes the Radar
00:35:07 Stipe's Inner Peace Code
00:50:16 Motion Capture Dreams
00:53:01 Stubborn Dudes and Rounds
01:01:43 Boarding School Possession
01:08:03 Witch Doctor Mud Feeding
01:20:12 Destroying Sodom Jacob
01:27:40 Jewish UFC Fighters
01:40:18 Cheap Shot Empathy
01:55:36 Calcifying the Mind
01:58:30 Making Yourself Uncomfortable
02:13:24 Megan and the Cesspool