Dave Portnoy critiques Travis Kelce's "cringy" style while defending his $1 buyback of Barstool Sports to protect employees amid annual losses of $10–$12 million. He exposes alleged unethical hitbait journalism by Kenji Alt Lopez and the Washington Post, contrasting modern media skepticism with historical manipulation like the Gulf of Tonkin incident. The conversation also covers Deion Sanders' marketing genius, a feud with Kyrie Irving, and the shifting trust in independent sources versus mainstream outlets. Ultimately, Portnoy argues that true leadership requires community stewardship over profit maximization. [Automatically generated summary]
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Club Nights and Cringy Styles00:04:20
Travis Kelsey, you don't get the appeal.
Oh, he's done.
Sort of doofus.
I don't like Travis Kelsey's style at all.
I think he's a little bit cringy.
The man had his own dating show.
If you have a dating show, that's a little cringy.
Wildlife.
So there you go.
He's a little cornball to me.
Like this quote, like, Taylor, I saw you rock, Met Life.
Why don't you come see me rock arrowhead?
Like, lame.
He's your ideal match for Taylor.
All right, let me give you a thought.
Who would be like a good match for Taylor?
Dave Harrison?
Look, I have no interest sexually in Taylor Swift.
And I call her mother.
Like, what mother wants, mother gets.
Like, fine.
They call her mother.
Like, dead edge.
She was unaware.
Oh, Jill and Hall.
They've done that, though.
Yo, you're not a Swifty.
No, I know they've done it.
No, don't do this where you pretend you didn't know.
I know them all.
Trust me.
I know Jill and Hall about it.
Give me those friendship bracelets, no.
You don't deserve.
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to Flag.
And today, joining us once again, we have the man, the myth, the legend, Dave Portenoy in the building.
New owner of Barstool Sports.
Okay.
I imagine you are the sole proprietor of the Pizza Fest as well.
No, I'm not.
It's a partnership.
Yeah, we partner with Medium Rare.
So they're like, they're the best.
I could never pull off what we did at the Pizza Fest by myself.
I had no interest in doing it.
Because to get those pizza places that we had, which are the best, like you need their ovens, I want to get into that.
There's no chance I could have done that without that.
Okay, I want to get into that.
But first, I need to, and we also got to talk about this hit piece.
But first, I need to share with the audience, you sent me the richest text message I've ever gotten in my entire life.
Yeah, yeah.
I know.
I'm excited about it.
I know this, Coach.
Have you heard this?
No, no, no.
It was funny when he was.
This is the richest text.
I have to give.
Okay, so it's Labor Day weekend.
I'm out at the Hanthers.
I'm like, yo, Dave's got a place out here.
And I think Ma Talk.
Right.
And I'm like, yeah, maybe he's out.
We're going to go to Surf Lodge and watch Blondish, right?
So I hit up Tim.
I go, yo, you in the Hanthas this week?
He goes, yep.
I go, hey, he's a fantastic DJ at Surf Lodge on Saturday.
Blondish, we'll be there if you want to join.
He goes, you got a table?
That's the first thing to catch up.
I'm not going to fucking stay.
I know you can't walk around right now.
You can't walk around right now.
But it was a funny thing.
I go, yeah.
He goes, he goes, okay, I haven't gone in a minute.
I go, I'll hit you when you're rolling over.
He goes, perf.
I go, okay, next day I go, we just got to surf lodge.
Pull up.
And this is the text.
He goes, I got to watch a horse I own in a race suit.
I did.
I did.
It was a fact.
That's a jump from a table.
I'm not going to make it.
Shout out Queen Picasso.
She was running in a big race.
She came in last, bad knee, but I had to watch the race.
I knew I wasn't going to be able to watch it there.
In hindsight, I didn't even think it because I am like a big horse guy.
But when you sent that back, I'm on ecstasy.
I'm starting to feel it.
Dave just sends me that text.
I'm like, am I inventing this?
There's nobody actually telling me it was a horse, but it came in last.
I was talking.
Yeah, no, it didn't run well.
And by the way, thank God I didn't go because you and I do surf lodge like quite differently.
Okay, how do you do surf lodge?
You were behind stage, dancing, grabbing the camera.
I do surf lodge like how I'm doing this podcast.
Like I sit down and maybe do this a little bit, and that's about it.
So what if chemicals are involved?
I don't know if he does that.
I think that's part of the doing it differently.
Do you mess with chemicals?
Yeah, oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Talk to us.
Oh, so I can't go.
If you see me, now I used to go out a lot.
And if you saw me out, I was on ecstasy 100% of the time.
Like if I'm going to a club, 100% of the time.
No, no, totally not.
But I can't, and that's kind of part of the problem.
Like, I don't go out as much.
And if I go out and I'm not doing drugs, I will be snoozing by 10 p.m.
Like, I can't be out, but it doesn't matter.
It makes me feel good.
I'm not dancing.
I'm not doing any of that.
I just sit there.
I enjoy the music.
I'm in my own world, but I'm not doing what you were doing.
I saw those clips.
I'm like, thank fucking God, I didn't get it.
Wait, you didn't hear about his drum solo?
His epic drum solo?
Oh, you didn't see it?
Dare?
Bro, I'm on ecstasy.
There's a drum kid next to the DJ.
The DJ's a friend.
Somebody goes, Yo, you should play the drums.
And I started playing, and it's just like the symbol.
And you watch the entire class.
Ecstasy, Dancing, and Snoozing Early00:12:48
I don't see that.
The whole music, the whole club stops.
Blondis stops spinning.
And then Andrew's drum solo is.
Tinky, tinky, tink, tink.
Bro, the whole audience is just like, what the fuck?
For 30 seconds and I ain't just staring like that.
That's brutal.
Never bother.
Like, I was at a club, Bootsy Bellows, I think, in LA.
Okay.
And the music is playing is late.
And they're like, do the people who owned it or the manager, like, do a live pizza review.
Like, no, no, I know.
I know that's not going to work right now.
Like, people are fucked up having a time.
Who wants to hear a guy on a mic being like, 7.2?
So I was like, no fucking way.
They stopped.
And they're like, we're not continuing the music till Dave Porner comes up and does a fucking pizza review.
Yeah.
But it's not even a pizza.
It's what you're saying.
It's like people are partying.
Nobody wants the music to stop.
It's one of the low points of my life.
Like being in front of a crowd at like 3 a.m. being like, oh, 7.2 is terrible.
Everybody's on Coco.
There's a little flop here.
Did you really get into it?
No, I did it quick.
I wanted to get offstage.
Like, people are like, just let us go back to partying and we don't like want this.
What score did you give it?
I don't even remember.
I just, I just remember me being like mortified that I was ruining the party.
Now, I'm seeing on your wrists, we have a mutual love of a special out there.
Mine is new.
Mine is new.
Oh, he's calling you a bandwagon.
Listen, I admit it.
I am 100% because I was kind of a hater until I saw the show.
We talked about this.
But here's the thing: never in my life did I think that there would be a perfect synergy between Barstool and Taylor Swift fans until literally three days ago.
With the Kelsey stuff.
I mean, you must be salivating it.
So we have, shout out Kelly Key.
She's our Taylor Swift savant.
Yeah, it's crazy.
They don't look normal.
I don't know what the hell's going on.
I haven't followed.
I love gossip, Dave.
She's generally like a very private person.
So while they're dating.
Oh, before she, yeah, before she used to stop CT are going to be amazing.
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
It's like the car they're fucking, he's driving.
No.
It looks like it's out of the whole thing.
Looks, he's driving like it.
Almost it looks like an old Impauler convertible.
Like it's crazy.
It just, they don't look.
I'm fascinated by it.
Yeah.
And the internet is blowing.
It's like that's all anyone's talking about.
This is as close as Taylor Swift will get to dating a black dude.
That's as close as it's going to happen.
It's Travis Kelsey.
He's right there.
He is one of them.
He's kind of claimable.
And I don't know that's in a paw, but this big, like, it was a maroon convertible.
Okay.
So yeah, I'm shocked by it.
I am fine.
I play into it.
I don't, I don't know.
I've never been the biggest Kelsey guy.
I've met him a few times.
He's super nice in person.
Now he's dating Taylor Swift.
I don't know what to think.
It's crazy.
Podcast with his brother is hilarious.
Very amazing.
Amazing content.
He seems like a nice, fun dude.
Now, he could probably get any girl he wants as a handsome guy.
He's fucking huge success.
Taylor Swift, I would have to say yes.
But Taylor Swift isn't.
Is part of it?
Are you seduced by the fame of the game?
I think that's what he is.
Because Taylor Swift isn't.
Oh boy, Dave.
Don't say it.
No, no, she's saying it.
Says it.
I am going to say.
No, no, no.
Let me just take those friendships away.
She's a serious.
Look, people, this is Swifty community.
Fuck Adele.
Dave loves Sally.
These are great.
But I want to, and I don't think anybody would put her up as like a sexism.
Okay, one bite.
Everyone knows.
Stunning, she's a beautiful model.
She's like an equestrian model.
Yo.
A little bit.
She has beautiful face.
Beautiful equestrian model.
She's very tall.
Put her in one of them little helmets.
Yeah.
But so is he.
Yeah, which makes it work.
Yeah, dude.
I think he.
But are you saying that he could do better?
Is that what you're doing?
No, no, no.
It depends.
You can't do bigger or better.
I mean, Belichick today, he quoted, he says, Travis Kelsey's had a lot of great catches.
It's the best catch he's ever made in his life.
Belichick is talking about that Halo world.
It's so funny.
That's the world.
She's Michael Jackson.
And he has a line.
That's what's impressive.
Belichick had a banger for him.
Yeah, he's good.
She's the biggest person almost on the planet right now.
Yeah, not even close.
But is she like, are we...
Who is...
He wants to.
No, I'm trying to think like Chrissy Brinkley in her prime.
No, I don't think anyone would say that.
Yeah, but no.
Hallie's very in her pride.
We're having boomer moments today.
I had a tag on my shirt and day and I didn't realize it.
And Dan just goes, hey, is that a thing now?
Are you leaving the tags on?
I honestly didn't know.
You're capable of anything.
I've seen you in the Italy looks.
I'm like, I don't know.
Maybe that's what they're doing.
They're wearing fucking tags on their shirts nowadays in their armpits.
I don't know.
Wait, behind.
Travis Kelsey, you don't get the appeal.
I mean, in terms of superficial...
For Travis or for Taylor.
For women in general.
Yeah, he's a holy guy.
He's got everything.
Great-looking guy, athletic, tall, rich, famous.
Sort of doofus.
No.
Yes.
He's super cool to me.
Super cool.
To be honest.
That's the gayest thing I said on this podcast.
I don't think so.
I think you need to see Kyler more.
I think he's kind of cool.
Poor white guy.
It doesn't get that much cooler.
No, like there's different.
He's not Odell Beckham Jr.
No, but if I'm going like what I think is cool and I'm going to date myself here a little bit, like Clooney Brad Pitt, those guys are like cool.
I don't like Travis Kelsey's style at all.
I think he's a little bit cringy.
The man had his own dating show.
Like that, if you have a dating show, that's a little cringy.
What's it called?
I kind of want to suck my dick off.
I was like Leonardo DiCarrow.
Yeah, so there you go.
Like, you know, everybody say he's the coolest.
Like, Leonardo Caprio is not doing like a dating show.
I don't know.
Yeah.
He's a little corny.
He's a little cornball to me.
But Taylor may be a little bit too.
You think that he's corny, meaning like his interests are corny.
Or that the fact that he wants to be famous outside of being an athlete?
Like, well, I think he's addicted to fame a little bit, but like his quote, like, hey, supposedly, this is what they said.
He said on the McAvee show, like, hey, Taylor, I saw you rock like MetLife.
Why don't you come see me rock Arrowhead?
Like, lame.
Oh, his pickup line.
Yeah.
Like, that's fucking lame.
Yeah.
Well, you bet.
If you go back through your pickup lines, though, you would be like, oh, God, I told you.
What was your pickup line?
I had this interview where I'm like, I'm Rico Suave.
You're comparing fucking Travis Kelsey to me.
I'm saying that's a universal.
Travis Kelsey is a great looking dude.
I get it.
He's a professional athlete.
That has great appeal.
I do think he's a little fucking corny.
So what you're trying to say is that you put Taylor up so high that you expect some Rico Suave shit to catch her.
Yeah, yeah.
But maybe she doesn't want that.
Maybe she wants to be a little bit more.
He may be a little great dick.
Who fucking knows?
I don't know what that is.
But he's a big, fucking good-looking professional athlete.
I do think, and this is before Taylor.
Always thought he was a little bit corny on the field and the things he says and does.
Like, fucking the Chiefs lose a game and he's like, it's all my fault.
Put it on my show.
It's like, what are you talking about?
You lost by 30.
Like, I don't even know what you're talking about.
Nice guy, man.
Person.
So he is a nice dude, but I do think he's got a decent amount of cheeseball to him.
Okay, so what happens with these guys?
Sorry, real quick.
Who's your ideal match for Taylor?
What guy?
You get to pick any guy.
He deserves that.
Yeah.
Relationship.
I don't even know.
Like, I would see her dating, and it doesn't mean it's right.
Like, I see her more of like a Daniel Jones guy if we're going to the NFL.
Like, she seems more on that side.
Fuck are you fucking?
You don't think Daniel Jones?
Why should you disrespect Taylor with Daniel Jones?
What the fuck is that?
He's an NFL quarterback.
Yeah, we know.
I signed a big fucking deal.
You think Daniel Jones?
Or maybe I think that's a pretty fucking like good.
I'm going to say in the NFL.
I don't know.
She got to go Brady.
Yeah, like Brady's maybe a little old for her.
Yeah, that's, yeah.
But Daniel Jones.
But I mean, Kelsey got two rings.
Yeah, I'm just saying their personalities to me are closer.
What?
I just don't.
Because he's just, if the Pro Bowl is happening and Daniel Jones wants to go, he has to buy a ticket to Hawaii.
You know what I mean?
You guys are watching.
That's what I'm saying.
With disrespect.
Listen, if you guys are talking about like who's had the more successful career and talent, I'm not, I'm just saying like where I fit.
All right, let me give you a thought who I would be like a good match for Taylor.
I may be, I'll get back to you later in the show.
I don't think it's like that.
I think he's a true Swift.
Yeah, I don't look.
I have no interest like sexually in Taylor Swift.
I call her mother.
So I have no interest.
Like what mother wants, mother gets.
Like fine.
I have no interest.
That sounded sexual weirdly, though.
No, that's what that's what's he don't know how to not shoot.
I got to say, like, even in a compliment, he's still shooting her.
What do the fucking Swifty say?
It's like, oh, they call her mother.
Like, dead edge.
I'm trying to, like, young.
Oh, gyl and hall.
Okay.
Jake.
They've done that, though.
They've done that.
So you're not a Swifty.
No, I know they've done it.
No, don't do this when you pretend you did that.
I was going through.
I know them all.
Trust me.
I know.
Mayor, Jill and Hall.
That was a good one.
He's got friendship bracelets going on.
How you name somebody shit?
What about John Mayer?
Is that another one?
I just said Mayor.
I know.
I fucked.
I know them all.
It's like if I said fucking Scooter Braun next.
Yo, Scooter would be good.
I had a mental fuck up.
Scooter would be good.
Don't try to trap me.
I'm trying to think who's like a youngish.
Oh, I got him.
The kid who played Spider-Man.
Tom Holland?
She's twice as tall as Andrew Garfield.
Garfield.
Bang.
That's the relationship.
Garfield and Swift.
Put down the books.
That's the relationship.
Just works.
No.
Yo, what do you mean nobody?
I mean, Garfield is like half gay.
Like, I don't, I think she needs a little bit more man.
Taylor Swift's fall.
She's like 5'11.
She's very skinny, though.
Yeah, but she's model.
She's like a model.
Garfield's like 5'8 or something like that.
He's an actor.
Shallow me probably.
Shallow is too young.
Can't handle that.
You need a man's man.
You need a Kelsey.
The life tour.
Announcements this weekend, Friday and Saturday in Toronto at the Scotia Bank Arena.
Thank you guys so much.
Both shows sold out.
I appreciate you.
Cannot wait to get up there.
Hey, Dublin, October 12th.
We just added some more tickets, so go check that out.
Manchester, we added a second show, October 15th.
Perth, Australia, we added a second show November 13th.
November 16th, Melbourne is almost sold out at John Kane Arena.
Make sure you go check that out.
Sydney, we added a second show at the Aware Super Theater.
And Brisbane, man, we just added more seats to Brisbane.
That's fucking unbelievable.
Thank you guys so much.
And very cool, big announcements in the next couple of weeks.
Cannot wait.
I love you all.
I'll see you there.
Guys, major announcement.
It is finally happening.
You know, the place where I get requested to perform the most?
You might not have guessed it, but the United Kingdom.
They're not all oppressive fucks who are terrible at comedy shows.
Some of you guys are great, and I'm coming to perform for you.
And the pre-sale is available now if you use the word Akash.
Go to akashsing.com, pre-sale code Akash.
You can get your tickets.
I'm going to be in Glasgow.
Make sure I get that right.
December 17th.
I'm going to be in London Monday, December 18th.
And I'm going to be in Manchester Tuesday, December 19th.
Tickets available at akashsing.com.
Use the pre-sale code Akash.
Hurry up and buy these tickets because I promise they will sell out.
My DMs are flooded, not with whores, but with people asking me to come perform in the UK.
It's shocking how many.
So hurry up and buy these tickets.
Also, we still got tickets available for October 27th through 29th in Atlanta, December 1st and 2nd in Portland, December 8th in New Orleans.
And just added January 18th through 20th in Washington, D.C.
So guys, get your tickets for those shows and more at akashing.com.
Now let's get back to the show.
I root for them.
I'm not rooting against them.
It's just surprising to me is what I said.
It's true.
Publicity Stunts and UK Tour Dates00:15:31
Surprising to me is what I said.
It's not your first pick.
Come on.
Let me see.
This is what they're doing.
That's crazy.
Why you don't like the color of the car?
It's just like she's so pro.
It's almost like they're doing it as a publicity stunt.
They drive away in a convertible.
So you want true love.
That's the thing that you.
No, no, I'm happy for him.
Listen, she wants to have her fun, and Travis seems like a nice guy.
It's just a strange pairing to me.
But who might have fucking singled?
You're fucking rich and successful now.
You get seduced by different things, I imagine.
I'm happy for her.
Yes.
But you're asking me, like, I would have never, I could have picked a million people and he wouldn't have been on the list of being like, yeah, that works.
I do think aside from her, he struck me as kind of like a cringy type guy that would maybe get like, you know, girls going to the Jersey shooting.
What he did.
DJs.
What do you do?
What do you do?
What Travis did?
He took down one of you bitches.
He lost a big bet.
I think what he took down is the Patriots.
Actually, I don't like Chiefs that ever beat the Pats on playoffs, and Gronk's the greatest tight end of all time.
Oh, this is a Gronk there.
I like Travis.
But he's my fantasy tight end.
Gronk was, I think, better in his peak, but Travis is lying.
Travis is great.
Gronk got beat up.
Yeah, he played a long time.
Listen, Travis is fucking great.
He's a nice guy.
I just didn't see them together.
I do think he's a little corny.
Who cares?
There's nothing wrong with being corny.
Nothing wrong with being corny.
Yo, Gronk and Taylor Swift works, though.
Gronk and Taylor Swift, that works.
Yeah.
We'll see what happens.
We'll see what happens.
Kettleman and Taylor Swift.
Oh, she's too tall for him, maybe.
Yeah.
Yo, I want to get back to this, but can we talk about something more straight?
What?
Yeah.
You met the gay guy, Obama sucked.
I did.
Yeah, yeah.
So when I did Tucker Carlson, he was in before me.
Hold up.
So Tucker's day is interviewing the gay guy that sucked Obama.
And then immediately, I was next.
Yeah.
Okay.
How do you follow that?
I would not trust that guy as far as I could bowl.
He came across as the biggest fraud I've ever seen in my life.
We're not talking about Tucker.
We're talking about this other guy.
And by the way, I got roasted.
People like, you attack Tucker because I tweet.
I go, I don't trust this guy.
He's full of shit.
I wasn't attacking Tucker.
I was talking to the guy.
This guy, the story, first of all, because they're like, by the way, this guy's going to be there.
I never heard of him.
I googled it.
It's like, so the story is so outrageous.
I don't know how it gets past the first.
It's like this guy lands in Chicago.
Hey, anybody want to party?
And Obama, like the senator, shows up.
He's sucking his dick 10 minutes later.
It's like, it is the most ridiculous story.
And then you see that.
Unless you're gay, and then that's just what they do.
I don't think that's what they do.
Bro, there's an app that they have.
Where apps video tag.
Buddy, what you want to do and where they are.
I don't care if you like, hate Obama.
I think we can all admit he's an intelligent guy.
Yes.
So you're a senator.
You're sucking a stranger's dick.
You're fucking crazy guys so that everybody calls him crazy and you're like, there's no way I did that.
That's genius.
No fucking way.
No, I don't think he did it, but that is genius.
No fucking way.
So this is the only one he's only done once in his life?
With a snitch.
Yeah, right.
That guy, bro.
No fucking guy.
He could do way better.
Yeah, Barack deserves better.
He does deserve it.
There's no chance.
The guy he's wearing, he had like two fucking bracelets and two like casts on his wrist.
Trust me, if you saw this guy, you'd be like, oh, this guy is a crazy person.
That was my take on him.
Okay.
But what we were talking about earlier was that, and you've been the victim of this, is there's like a smear campaign it feels towards Obama right now, right?
Like out of nowhere, the internet's like, did Michelle actually give birth to their kids?
Is Michelle a man?
Then the chef dies and they try to act like the chef was his boyfriend.
There's this big smear campaign going.
So it happens both ways.
A lot of times.
Both sides are fucking equally toxic.
Yes.
No doubt about that.
I've said that from day one with anyone ever I get.
It's like I hate fucking both sides.
Listen, for most people, you look at me, I go on Fox.
I don't get invited on any of the networks.
They'll be like, Dave's conservative.
He fucking leans to the right.
But if I say one thing that the right doesn't agree with, they're all.
These savage means as hard.
They're both equally fucking crazy.
Because that's the thing that people is like, they will prop you up as long as you agree, but they're not true fans.
No.
Your true fans will understand who you are as a whole person.
A three-dimensional person.
Exactly, right?
Left and right.
But the ones that are just kind of using you as a mascot, the second you divert from them.
It's just a rural.
And I never, I've always said, I never want anybody to know the answer to a question, how I'm going to answer a question before I answer it.
That's the worst.
And unfortunately, both sides, you know their answers.
Immediately.
Yeah.
You tell me who's writing the article.
I know what it's going to say.
But that's the thing I think people do is like a lot of times people get famous enough to the point where there's so many clicks in writing a hit piece about them, right?
I wonder if the Washington Post, the Times, whatever, all these different left, right, doesn't matter.
I wonder if it's almost like tickets for a cop.
Like at the end of the month, through the end of the quarter, you need to hit your quota.
And if you didn't get your views, well, I think we need to do a hit piece on Rogan.
I think we need to do a hit piece on Corner.
I think we need to do hit piece on Elon.
They know that that is guaranteed 10 million clicks and maybe they have to hit that for their contract.
I don't know if that's what it is, but it would not surprise me.
I know it was part of Business Insider.
Like I know that was part of it.
I've seen it.
And a lot of times I, because what I do, which is probably, depending on how you look at it, I a lot of times will engage, which does what?
More clicks for the people attacking me.
So they know that.
But I target people always respond.
So it's like, oh, this guy's fucking money for clicks.
But the people that ignore that don't have a platform, you will let those media outlets decide who you are to the public.
Totally.
So I understand why you do it, but now you're the perfect target for them if they want to get it.
And a lot of times they'll be behind paywalls.
They're literally trying to make money on you.
Yeah, yeah.
That's the most fucked up thing.
The upside, though, is when you do that, people love you more.
Your fans love you more because you're transparent.
100%.
So it almost works symbiotically, even if you don't mean for you.
Yeah, like our pizza event, I think people are more fired up psyched to be there because of all the controversy surrounding it.
So real quick, what I think happens is when people get famous, they retreat to safety because if you're in the middle, you get attacked by both sides, right?
Because you can give both of them clicks, right?
If you're your own unique individual person, which most people fucking are.
But the second you get famous, you got to go, okay, I can't take all this backlash.
Let me just become left or become right.
And that is my security blanket.
That's my shield.
The problem with that is you lose your individuality.
You lose yourself.
It's like when you see these actors and stuff like that, they go, okay, I cannot be criticized constantly.
I just am going to go with the or toe the company line or whatever the fuck that is for Hollywood because life is easier and I'm going to continue to make also the floor is higher.
You can be a lot more broke trying to be in the middle.
But if you're always catering to one side, I'm going to get money from that side.
100%.
And I think the bigger your star personality becomes, most of these people start surrounding themselves.
You have PR teams.
You have all these people with what I think is horrible advice generally giving to us.
But it's like the person is almost just letting others around them.
The dope PR team would tell their client to call the person that's writing a hit piece about them and record it and put it out.
Because that's not how they think.
They're risk averse.
They're how do we calm this down?
Let's distract, kill a story with a story or something like that.
But the reality is, is that when somebody's out for blood for you, as human beings, I think we enjoy seeing the person get vengeance.
Right.
And I'm a vengeance guy.
And even when I called like the Washington Post, it wasn't some grand plan.
Like the email was sent to me maybe 20 minutes beforehand.
Can you break down the setup?
So you're putting the So we're doing a pizza festival and it's been in the works probably like four or five months.
Tons of work.
The medium rare guys us like we're getting all the best pizza places, all the ovens, rented a stadium.
The context of this is like all these different pizza places from what, tri-state area?
Yeah, yeah, for the most part.
That's where you've done your one bite review.
That's right.
And I know most of the pizzerias.
I've met them.
I'm friends with them.
I've scored them.
I've helped a lot of them.
These are the superstars.
Yeah.
They're fairly close knit.
They're going to come and they're going to go to this stadium and they're going to recreate the kitchens.
Now, very difficult because if you are excellent at your craft, you're particular about your fucking oven, the temperature, the size, whatever.
This is a pain in the ass.
So I never thought we'd actually ever be able to do it because of that rule.
There was a few that were there that I was.
Defara, Lucali.
Lucali what I was like, I couldn't believe it.
Sally's, you name it.
Jackie Lorenzo's, John Pepe's, Frank Pepe's, excuse me.
It was the thing.
The best of the best pizza you can have.
So they're all that.
This is a big thing to put together.
This is not, hey, we're going to throw some pizzas in boxes and then deliver them to a park and then everybody grabs a slice.
This is the fucking reality.
You looked at it and it looked like mini storefronts, basically.
We let them pick their ovens.
We went out and so there were all sorts of different types of ovens.
It was a big production to put together.
And then probably like a week, week and a half, it started this dude, Kenji Alt Lopez, who I never heard of, celebrity chef, like a million dollars YouTube channel, 600 Instagram.
And he started publicly tagging the pizza places and being like, how the fuck can you support Dave Portnoy and all the hit pieces that have been written, quoting them, including like, I'm a union buster, all this stuff, and just going crazy.
He was also friends with the Washington Post.
Where's his animosity for you coming from?
This is a crazy political human.
So I didn't realize.
So his identity is politics.
Which I didn't realize.
He actually, during COVID, he had to take this down and apologize.
That's always the same.
He basically said, if you support Trump, it's no different than being a Nazi or wearing a white hood, like in the KKK.
If you come to my restaurant, he won't serve you.
So that's the vibe.
And I have clearly been perceived as, well, Dave interviewed Trump, all that shit.
So that was where it was coming from in every hit piece.
So he was going crazy, posting it, posting, tagging, shaming the pizza places.
And he's getting rewarded from his followers and he gets a feeling of hero.
He believes everybody.
He doesn't allow comments.
It's an echo chamber of just his world.
Yes.
And there's two authors of the Washington Post article, Emily Heal.
And then Tom Karma man.
And guess who?
Guess who he's a super fan of?
Kenji Alt Lopez.
Oh, well, well, well.
What a shock.
Like he had this guy, the other author had one picture on his Instagram that wasn't himself.
It was Kenji.
That's the only one.
So shocking how that works.
And what was this?
On Thursday before the festival, or maybe Wednesday, I forget.
But we get an email from a sponsor sent to me being like, heads up.
The Washington Post is writing an article about the festival.
And they basically sent an email, hey, we want to talk to you about supporting the Pizza Fest and being involved with Dave, who is a racist.
Here comes the word I can't pronounce.
Mashazanist.
I cannot pronounce it.
The fact that she didn't correct me one time made her quite likable.
She could have.
Somebody who is as unfamiliar with that term would never be able to pronounce it.
Misogynist.
You're losing it already.
And basically sent the email to the advertisers being like, please defend yourself, putting them in a box.
Yeah, it was crazy.
What the fuck is a sponsor supposed to say to you?
How could you support a pizza fest that is run by a misogynist?
Yeah, right.
And a racist.
But they're also sending it to a bunch of old school Italians.
What do you think they're going to say?
Finally.
Finally, our pizza fest.
This was a major like blue chip sponsor, the one that sent me.
So these are the sponsors, not the actual kids.
Yes, but they did it to everybody.
So I, and she put her number to call back on.
So that was sent to me.
And I'm like, you know what?
I'm just going to call this woman and see what the deal is.
Watching her melt.
So I called her and the call went as bad really for her as it possibly could because right off the bat, I'm like, why are you sending this email saying I'm the M-word and because I can't pronounce it and racist?
And she's like, I didn't do that.
Like, I haven't done that.
Well, let me read you the email.
I read her the email.
She's like, oh, I just did that once.
I'm like, that's weird.
You just said you didn't do it.
And I just read it to you.
And then the conversation continued.
I'm like, do you know anything about me?
She's like, no.
I'm like, well, then how could you send this email if you don't know anything about me?
She's like, well, we're going to talk to you later, which they weren't.
And it continued on.
And then the journalistic tactic.
That was.
She said, we only send something negative to try to get people to engage.
It's a journalistic tactic.
I'm like, well, that's fucking.
So it's almost as if she's admitting that her form of journalism is to manipulate the person she's interviewing to satisfy the angle of the article.
Totally.
Which is no integrity in the journalism.
It's, I'm going to prompt you so that you react to this prompt so I can take that one sound bite and be like, yes, we are aware that he does this stuff and we really questioned it, but maybe for the greater good, we thought it was okay.
So now she's confirming who it is.
But on the phone, I couldn't believe she said it.
Me neither.
She was just like, oh yeah, we fake stories.
That's the kind of way that I interpret it.
Hitbait is most journalism.
I wonder if they have to compete with YouTube now.
I wonder if journalists are like the only way that they can get people to watch their video reports or even read their essays is if they compete with the clickbait of YouTube.
It's all clickbait.
And then she also did something, which this has been almost my biggest complaint.
There's so many hit pieces.
They're all the same shit.
The hit piece reads the other hit piece and prints it as though it is fact.
And how would anybody actually know if it's true or not?
Because they haven't done the research to dig into it.
It's like I've offered to everybody, sit down.
I'm an open book, put a camera.
I will go through every point.
And an open mind at the end is going to be like, this is garbage.
How is this ever been printed about him?
But she said, I'll sit down with you at 10 a.m.
And she picked the time.
She's like, 10 a.m. I agreed to it, knowing the piece was already written.
And then they canceled that.
And they're like, we want to move it to 5 p.m.
Well, the article has to come out in like five minutes.
So why would I agree to that?
Yeah, I didn't understand the angle right there, but I guess it's they wanted to call with you after the article had already been printed.
And you were trying to beat the article so that you could at least get a fair shake.
And by the way, journalists, that's the thing.
They don't want the fair shake because it puts them at risk.
If you're printing something, you can always plead ignorance.
I didn't know that.
I didn't know that.
You can't say that if you've spoken with me and I've basically given you facts and proof and evidence that contradicts what you're writing.
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You own a media company.
How do you instill the journalistic practices that you want with your employees?
Yeah, so we don't do that type of gutcha, catch you journalism.
But having said that, would you push back if you felt like there was an example?
You know that girl who's blowing up Bobby Altoff?
Yes.
So we had her on BFFs.
Yes.
And you started drama with.
Yes.
So We asked her, did she, like, did she sleep with Drake?
Drake.
And she answered, no, this is a text.
So we had her on the show.
The Drake stuff broke after.
But since I knew her, I texted her.
I'm like, hey, I'm hearing you slept with Drake and you got a divorce.
Is that true?
Kind of joking.
Like, she's like, off the record?
No, not true.
And something else.
We retold this story on BFFs the next week and our editors. edited it and made it appear to seem like she was about to confirm something salacious and it went uber viral.
I went ballistic on my social team.
I don't want clips.
I don't know.
I don't know.
No, I don't.
Because you know what that clip was going to do.
But I didn't do it.
But even before it became a big story, I had already replied that.
When she says off the record, if you talk about this off the record conversation, then you know that was going on.
No, no, it isn't.
Because the actual, no, here it isn't.
Because the actual clip, it was all together.
So when we were filming, she said off the record, haha, no, it's not true.
I said, here's a response.
Ha ha, off the record, it's not true.
I said it all together.
They cut me.
Like the clip cut.
His point would be, and I am a fan, but I have to say this.
His point would be, if she says off the record, it's off the record.
No, I disagree.
If she says off the record, no, it's not true.
A miscellanist would say that.
If she says, she would definitely say something like that.
If she says, you machinists, no, it's off the record.
If she says off the record, no, it's not true.
Together, those two don't mean anything.
If she said off the record, yeah, I slept with him.
I never want to call it.
Oh, oh, she's being sarcastic.
Yes.
Off the record?
No, it's not true.
Correct.
Off the record, yeah, it's true.
Don't mention it.
You don't have to have something off the record if it never happens.
Right.
Exactly.
She wants that lie to be out there or that rumor to be out there because it's clearly didn't.
She won't because she didn't address the record.
No, no, no.
You guys are saying differently.
She, what I was saying is she would like people to think it might have happened.
She definitely didn't.
She went crazy.
But I understand like the sarcasm here.
It's like, if I'm like off the record, never had sex with Paris Hilton.
You're like, you don't need to tell me that.
Correct.
It was like, she didn't say shit.
It was like, did you sleep with Drake and your marriage is ruined?
She's like, off the record?
No.
Like, okay, can I push back one more time?
Push back.
I'm going to dunk on you, but go.
Not mine.
I'm five, seven.
I've been dunked on.
Off the record, you're kind of interpreting the tone of it through a text message of this being sarcastic.
So, but no, it's an interview.
No.
No, that's just sex.
DMs.
She said off the record.
No, it's not true.
You read it back in the video.
You have kind of interpreted the tone as being sarcastic.
Did you know that it was beforehand?
No, like you, here's my point.
You don't have to say off the record, no, I didn't sleep with Drake.
But she said it.
To be joking.
Can you just tell me something right now?
To be joking.
Can you just tell me off the record?
Off the record.
How do you feel about Travis Kelsey?
Off the record, I've never committed murder.
Off the record, yeah.
Now, if you wanted people to think that you were a murderer, if I wanted people to think that you were...
You're a rapper that's a gangster rapper and you want them to think that you're dangerous and violent and you go, yo, off the record?
I never even held a gun.
That would be bad to put out there in the world.
So if we're assuming that Bobby wanted, this is interesting.
If we're assuming that Bobby wanted people to think maybe something happened, now it was exposed that nothing happened.
And it's the opposite drama because, but she still didn't want that to be out there because now she has to clarify that she never slept with him.
And now that can't be out there in the ether, which might have been you guys are going down or journalists.
But the fact of the matter is, this is what real journalists tear.
We got to get to the bottom of it.
The fact of the matter is she was mad that it spiraled a rumor that they actually fucked.
And then did they, then there was like, I don't know what happened then.
Now they got a fuck.
No, well, now they don't even follow each other.
Something happened with them.
What?
That's what happened.
What do you think happened?
That's what prompted something.
That's what prompted something.
But the way they said it's cared, something happened.
I don't know.
That's what prompted me.
That's what prompted.
There's some weird shit over there.
We got to get to the bottom.
For the sake of clarity, the way this went down is they did the interview together.
It went crazy viral.
We know.
The way this fucking happened.
Get in the ecstasy.
Get in the ecstasy right now.
Get it off.
They unfollowed each other.
And I text her.
I'm like, the internet's saying you guys fucked.
And ruined the match.
She's off the record.
No.
To say off the record, no together is a nothing comment.
When you take out what is she saying, they played it in a fucking clickbait way.
That's how it went.
I love it.
You just got to believe it.
You just got to believe it.
Believe it.
I'm waiting for like fucking King Kong Bundy to come running through back here.
Like three-on-one fucking handicap match.
Of all the things that we were going to talk about, though.
I think it was Bobby Altoff interviews.
Okay.
So, so here's.
So you put out a statement where your team put out a statement, which seemed kind of like you put it out.
What?
The written statement that was posted.
We're still in Altoff.
Yeah.
No, no.
This is when you, the Washington Post, and you were talking about journalistic integrity and all that kind of stuff.
But that was you.
It was great.
It's a team porter.
Yeah, Team Porter.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
What is at what point, not us, because we're grandfathered into like thinking, oh, the New York Times really matters, the Washington Post really matters.
We're old people that when we see something printed on paper, we're like, this must be the truth.
This is real.
I wonder if like teenagers now, they're growing up constantly seeing the president criticize the news, the left criticize the news, the right criticized the news.
Because keep in mind, when we were growing up, it was the Daily Show saying everything coming out from the right was a lie and fake.
And now you see the right saying, hey, look at mainstream media.
Look how much they are liars and fake.
So this generation's coming up going, everything that we're seeing, we should be skeptical of.
Do they start looking at the New York Times and the Washington Post?
And do they just go, do they never have like a baked in trust of it?
I don't think they do.
And I think just the way people consume media is so different that I don't even know they grow up on that.
Like I literally grew up in a household, the Times is gospel.
Like if something was said in the Times, it was true.
Same with the Washington Post.
My dad, I've said it many times.
He's a liberal guy, hated Trump.
He has begrudgingly come to grips with the fact.
And I think it like hurts him to the core, like that the media slanted.
Like he, like, he knows now, Washington Post, like, if he picks it up, it's going to be negative to me.
And it's a big change.
It's a big change to like, you know, I might have to basically kill journalistic integrity.
It's Craigslist.
Because that's what sunk newspapers.
They made so much money off the classifieds.
Craigslist, people would just put their shit on there for free.
Newspapers started taking crazy hits, layoffs everywhere.
Now they're trying to take make money however they can.
Yeah, I don't know.
My question is whether it's just always been that way.
If there's more media now to expose it in like more, like, yes, go backwards.
That's awesome.
Would have had no voice to like fight what is going on?
So you look at all these uh, you know incidents in throughout history that got us into wars, like the Gulf Of Tonkin thing that happened with Vietnam.
Right, this fake thing doesn't happen.
No ship sunk and all of a sudden we're in a war.
Right, there was no podcast for some people to go.
Yo, I don't think a boat really got exploded.
Where are the dead Americans?
Like, does anybody have a cousin that was over there didn't come back like, so now that there is, you could make the argument that back in the day there was um mutual benefit for everybody being on the same side of what, maybe the military industrial complex or whatever the fuck you want to say, whatever the government wanted to push through.
But now the fact that you have all these other independent media sources out here, we don't look like looney bins conspiracy.
It's the same with a lot of things, like sports, like athletes now have their own vehicle to like get their own perspective out, whether it's on twitter or x, whatever you want to call it.
Before, it was newspaper writers who would, you know, dictate the perception of an athlete.
Yeah, and now they're starting their own podcasts, yeah, exactly the uh the, what's the?
The Ryan Clark One's fire.
Oh yeah, there's a bunch of athlete policies.
Yeah, pivot is great and even the Manning BROS ARE Great.
Manning Brothers podcast, Pat.
First of all, Roan is yep yep, like I was watching all his battle rap stuff before, and then the two of them together fantastic, yep and um yeah, that's one of the weird podcasts that I can actually watch if it's through zoom, like usually I can't do the zoom pods but, but for them I can with it.
But uh, but yeah, it's like I guess now we're in the age of we don't need experts on the thing to talk about it.
We can get it right from the source.
Yeah, so all that changes I, I tend to think media has always been you know, history is written by the winners like that is.
Yeah, for the most part always been true.
Yeah, okay.
So I call you after I read this article that says you bought back Barstool.
Yes okay, I call you.
On face time.
We have yet another boomer moment between the two of us where he's getting a million fucking calls obviously right and he doesn't know how to exactly stop the calls.
So the face time is just going like blur every two seconds and because this is like a minute after it was announced right, and I never got to say this to you.
But what I liked about it is most people start a business now and they're looking for an exit and they cultivate a community and they kind of like lie sometimes, or maybe not lie, but manipulate a little bit.
Hey, we're in this together.
Hey, we're team this.
We got to all make this product great, but they're doing it all so they can get an exit from the Saudi fund or whatever the hell it is.
And you were off, you didn't have to come back.
And the fact that you came back I was so excited because I can imagine being a Barstool fan for 10 years going, oh, we weren't lied to, he cared about the community and he wants this to continue and he understands that if he doesn't take the helm, that maybe it falls apart and I thought it was a really fucking dope thing for a chief To do that.
Doesn't have to do it.
Right.
Yeah.
So the only thing I can correct there is I was very, very honest and upfront the entire time that I did want to fuck off.
I'm like, and I told our community that.
I was like, I'm going to make a fucking ton of money and I'm going to be like, poof, like fucking usual suspects and Kaiser Sosi on a beach.
I would have, I was slowly phasing out the way the situation came about.
My company would have been in big trouble.
I think a lot of people have gotten laid off, fired.
I have fucking morons who work for me.
What the fuck are they going to do?
Trying to go bad groceries.
They've been living this life.
So I was at a crossroads to, I guess, what you're saying.
Because I could have made a shit ton of money, gone on my way.
I would have left Barstool, I think, in a very vulnerable, bad spot.
I didn't want to do that.
I would have never, if I thought they were solid and it would have continued, then maybe I would have fucked off.
But I knew it needed me to be back to make sure the company was secure, the community was secure, all that.
So yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a care about the community.
I think there's a lot of people.
And I think, especially right now, the way that you kind of build up a brand, it doesn't have to be a media brand.
It could be fucking toothpaste, but it's like, hey, this is the toothpaste community.
Look at us.
We're all in the whitest teeth community.
We got this.
And the second you get that money, you're never fucking talking about toothpaste.
My brand, I've been, I don't want to say blessed, like the Pizza Fest, you name it.
We have the best.
You could say blessed on Yom Kippur.
Loyal Yom Kippur fans ever.
Like they, they have had, that's what lets us be us.
Like we've never been beholden to advertisers or anything because our people have been following us now 20 fucking years, a lot of them.
They always have a back.
They know who I am.
They know who we are.
And they'll go to war for us.
So that is part of what you're saying.
Just turn your back and be like, I'm fucking out on them.
You can't do that.
And a lot of my employees have been with me 10, 15 fucking years.
They're friends.
They're fucking demented fucking family.
And I don't like talking to them when I'm in the office because they drive me nuts, but they're still fucking family.
So it that bad responsibility big time.
Now, if you found somebody, anybody that you thought, oh, this guy could take it over and these guys, everybody would still be taking care of Barcelona being good hands.
Fucking heartbeat.
Is there somebody that, and we can bleep the name if you want.
We have internal people who could do it, but like, what, so our, Penn went with ESPN.
That's what happened.
So when Penn was with Penn is the gambling company who bought Barstool, and then they formed a 10-year, like $2 billion deal with ESPN.
Like ESPN bets is going to now be with Penn.
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So once they did that, I'm looking at it.
It's like, all right, ESPN and Penn now have this huge relationship.
We're far less important to Penn.
And they're just going to start the people who aren't making big money or clearly.
We're going to keep both of them around?
I think they, yeah, I don't know what their plan.
I think they would have streamlined the fuck out of Barstool.
I thought it was one or the other.
That's what I thought.
Not necessarily.
That's what I thought.
Not necessarily.
Why'd they sell it back to you for a dollar?
Because we have a great relationship with them.
So I think that the situation was we're going to really streamline Barstool.
It's going to be about cutting costs, get things go.
If you want to go back and run it, because Barcelona is losing money.
Like Barcelona's losing 10 to 12 million bucks a year.
Which you can float when you have a massive billion dollar corporation money into it.
Once you have ESPN, it's like, why are we losing $10 to $12 million a year?
Let's fix that.
Or Dave, here, it's your thing.
You can do what you want.
We get that off the books.
And they're incentivized because if he sells it back, they get 50%.
So if they got the right charge, you sell it again.
Yeah, if he sells it again.
So okay, so you're going in, you come into the business, and that's the thing a lot of people don't understand.
They just here bought it back for a dollar, and then they go, well, this thing's printing money, and he buys it back for a dollar.
They don't realize you're buying back, losing a million a month for a dollar.
So you're spending $12 million a year to buy it back.
Correct.
Pretty much.
I think that's something that's not reported up.
So then you have the layoffs.
Yep.
First of all, you just talk about these people as family.
Yes.
Laying, I've read laying off is hard for you.
It's the worst.
Now, I'm lucky in a sense, laying off anybody is hard.
I, once we did the deal, a lot of people were brought into that I didn't know who they were.
And it was the process of making Penn's a public company.
Yeah.
So books, finance, things I didn't associate with.
We had a layer that was really to make us function with a company that has to like do public reports.
Oh, so you can see what was making money well.
All of that.
But the content, the people I hired, the people I knew, almost all of them stayed.
Got you.
So like it sucks laying people off.
It's a lot harder when you know that their faces, their family, their friends.
I didn't really know that.
We got rid of like a lot of finance, business, people that were there.
I mean, the company switched goals overnight, like just overnight.
We, it went from Penn build this huge pipeline gambling to a totally different company.
So a lot of people had to go.
Because they could be cool losing $12 million a year as long as it was generating 20 in gambling.
Surrounding era.
Yeah.
It's a rounding era.
I don't think people realize how much money these fucking gambling institutions are.
And how much they're spending on advertising?
We're their monetary budget.
So it's just a totally different way that you're running the business now.
So yeah, it still sucks.
Scary at all?
Like going into it and going, okay, we need 12 million to get in the black.
Right.
Scary at all for you?
No.
No.
I knew all the books.
I looked at it and I've made enough money.
So like if I had to cover that myself for as long as I did, I was very comfortable doing that.
Got it.
Like that wasn't.
And I didn't buy the company to make money.
I've said that a million times.
I've made my money.
Would I like to buy a sports team?
Yeah.
Am I ever going to be there?
No.
So it's like, what's the difference?
Wait, why not?
You need some, I don't want to be like a dick 1% owner.
I'm going to like to be like a B.
The business isn't a B business unless there's an idea I haven't thought of yet.
So if you, okay, so if you get into the Bs, the first purchase would be sports team.
That's the only thing I can ever imagine being like, fuck, that would be awesome.
What do you think that you could access?
Football is obviously almost impossible.
Impossible.
Hockey?
Yeah, I bet hockey is probably the most logical, my least of the favorite.
That's the tricky thing.
But I don't know what they think.
Like football, definitely not.
Baseball, I guess, no.
Basketball.
Basketball, there's some young dudes like, you know, it's whatever, but I am controversial.
They got to get approved.
But I'm not even close to that.
But that's the only thing I think left in my life where it's like.
I mean, yeah, you're on a fucking horse.
Yeah.
Multiple.
Just a question about the way in which you went about the layoffs.
Would you have done it different?
Because I saw the clip of you coming into the office and just like berating everybody, like, where the fuck is everybody?
And calling everybody.
I like that.
Those all people stayed.
Yeah.
But then it's like you come to the office, you talk about the employees like that, and then all these layoffs happen and didn't look the best.
Well, yeah, well, hey, you got it reversed because the layoffs happened first.
So I was yelling at the people for not appreciating their jobs after all these layoffs and everyone's lazy.
So you fire everybody and then these people who are after that.
No, not really.
Most of them are four.
Okay.
Well, the layoffs, 90% of them happened like one day, right?
And then there was another wave of them.
No, there was one.
There was like four people and then I think all of them one day, basically.
Oh, okay.
But would you have got about differently?
No, I don't know.
I don't know what you're asking.
Like, cause you call them like, hey, this is my family.
We build a community.
But then it's like you come in the office, like, fuck, where's everybody?
You guys are all lazy.
Fuck you.
And then now you're fired.
But none of those lazy fired people that the people I was yelling at, none of them got fired.
So what you're talking about like I went into the content side when they didn't show up because we were going through layoffs.
And it was more like, how the fuck don't you show up?
And I'm pretty sure in the video, I'm like, after we just did fucking layoffs, you guys.
If there's one day to be early to work on it.
Yeah.
You show that you're grateful you still have your job.
Correct.
Gotcha.
And none of that I was on like the content.
So the way Barstool is essentially set up in New York, we have a second floor, which is almost all my content people.
Third floor is the business side.
That's really where, but like that was at like the people been with me for 10 to 15 years.
I was yelling at them, which is like how I basically, when I was there a lot, talked to them anyways.
But that, even though it seems like you're saying you may know how the layoffs went at my own company better than me, I'm pretty sure that was after.
So I just try to get clarity.
So this is this is an interesting thing also, where it's like, if you got guys that are there for like 15 years, right?
We all grew up with a certain energy in a business.
Yep.
Like I like to yell.
I'm a huge juggernaut.
Yeah, it's great.
I like to yell in front of people.
I don't need to like bring one person to a different room.
Same.
Everybody can hear it because we're all going to hear it eventually.
So you might as well hear it from me.
And by the way, I let people yell back at me.
I don't give a fuck.
Let's go.
Let's dance.
Okay.
I saw this like Jimmy Fallon shit.
Did you see it?
I did see it.
And the complaints about Fallon.
Yep.
That shit makes me very nervous.
And that, that, that made me kind of not now.
Can you, can you explain just for anybody?
Yeah.
So Fallon, basically, he, he, all his employees, or not all, a few, were like, it's a toxic place to work.
We don't like him.
He's unpredictable.
He yells.
He's nervous.
Yeah.
It was a bunch of shit, which anybody now could say that about me.
If my employees want to do that, be like, my man, I remember we had a sales guy who fucking, I was at a Kentucky Derby and I was sitting next to a client.
The client was drunk, out of control.
I looked over to my sales guy and he's eating fucking shrimp cocktail.
The next day, I'm like, you fat fuck.
You're eating fucking shrimp cocktail when I'm in the fucking weeds screaming at him.
I've had, I've had, you're babysitting this drunk client.
We had, you want to talk about, we had, and this, you get canceled for this, but this is my personality.
I don't mean we had Biz Nasty, our hockey guy.
He's awesome, spitting chiclets.
Biz brought in Chick-fil-A for the office one time.
Everyone lined up.
We ran out of Chick-fil-A.
He brought enough of the office.
I was like, who the fuck is taking double Chick-fil-A's before everybody gets one?
I went up to the same sales guy who's a little bit on the bigger side.
I was going through his trash through multiple rappers.
I'm like, I know you took multiple.
You can't do that shit.
I had a fat pen at the office.
Fat people sat in one area.
No, no, no, no.
And I told HBO, I'm like, it's a fat pen.
You walk in, you throw like fucking Snickers bars in there.
But it's like a joke where joke, people bust balls.
Like if I think somebody, and I know people can be like, you sound fucking awful, but I don't think they will.
I think the average person and you do it back.
And like, that's how our office is.
You take it.
I've used this analogy.
You'll get it.
I feel like a lot of times Barstool, people who don't like us, it's like going on a comedy show that you didn't buy a ticket for.
You don't like the comedian.
You hear a joke.
You walk out of the comedy show and you'll be like, you'll never believe what this guy said.
And you give no context to any of it.
That is how I feel a lot of the shit we deal with is that.
And I think that's way more now because we're being pushed content we never asked for.
Whereas like back in the day, you had to turn on HBO to watch the HBO show.
Now you're just on your phone, you swipe up another TikTok, and then you're talking shit to some employee with no context.
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They're like, who the fuck is this?
Calling all the fat people to go to the fat pen, right?
So I understand that like knee-jerk reaction a little bit more from people because they're not opting in as much.
That being said, like when you see an article written about like the Fallon situation, for me, that's what we were talking about earlier.
It's just like, okay, I can get clicks from famous person being toxic at work.
Let me describe it and nobody will read the fucking article.
They'll read one paragraph because once we described what it was on here, and granted, we're older, but there wasn't a single one of us who was like, this is inappropriate.
Dude, I try to read headlines and I remember, I mean, I try to read articles, not just headlines.
And I remember on that one, I was like, oh, fuck, I just read the headline.
I did a disservice to Jimmy.
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What did you think about, have you been following the Russell brand thing at all?
I have.
It's an interesting one for me because of my past.
Of course, the business hired, whenever something like this happens, you have to be skeptical.
People rush to me, support him, do this, do that.
It's like, I don't know what the fuck he did.
Like, how does anyone know?
I'm sure people say that about me.
The only thing I know is what I fucking did, which was nothing.
But like, last thing I'm going to do is rush to the forefront of a guy.
And then two weeks later, just fucking all this evidence.
And it's just like, whoa.
So, you know, you don't have to jump and say he's innocent just because the facts come out.
Yes.
But you also don't have to jump and say he's guilty.
Right.
Yeah.
I've said you're going to let it play out.
But it's wild seeing what's happening.
And you know what's interesting is like seeing, I've seen a lot of stuff from the British comedy scene kind of come out and they have not been very supportive.
Yeah.
So you never know.
And I can only look at like when my business hider stuff came out within 24 hours, I had, and it's still up, what I would maintain is a mountain of evidence that totally dispelled the article and proved everything I said was right.
It's all up there.
Text messages, everything.
People should have that.
I feel like.
You got, let's go.
Yeah, like, all right, you want to do it.
And that, that's what I screamed.
Like, here it is.
Like, I have text messages with like, you know, a girl for like five years after the fact of her being like, let's hang out.
Let's do.
They don't only I publish that.
So you want to see the evidence, but you have to let it play out.
You can't.
So when I see Russell Brand, I don't think I have no idea.
He's like, hopefully, I always find it crazy.
People fucking root for him to be guilty.
And it's like, what do you think?
Why would you want these girls to have gone through that?
Yes.
What you don't want, the number one goal here is the girls didn't go through it.
100%.
So that's what you should be rooting for.
But it seems like either there's.
I know with me, it felt like the people who enlightened me were rooting for the accusation to be true.
They would rather a girl get assaulted just so you go down.
Yes.
It's crazy.
It's not.
They're lying and then girls weren't assaulted.
You know, that's, you want to talk about toxic or twisted shit.
That is a wild mentality.
You were willing to sacrifice four women to get you?
It's crazy.
Three is what the position is.
And by the way, four for Russell.
We'll clarify right now.
Juan became a porn star the day after the thing's launched, was put in contact by Sophie Franklin and Milf Hunter, who hate my guts.
And by the way, on a live fucking her personal friends, Instagram live story the entire weekend.
She's saying all these things happen.
Meanwhile, she's in real time saying I'm the most boring fucking guy in the world.
She hates my guts.
She'll only hook up with athletes.
The other one, I have text messages.
It's so crazy.
I always have to say it because there's no way to stop it.
And the thing that's frustrating, whether it's Russell Brand or anybody, I feel like you got the best of it.
If you're telling the truth, you can't even sum it up quickly.
And people retweet the articles and they go with the headlines.
I always reference your situation, and especially when it comes to like Louie, right?
Like Louie didn't go out and on the attack.
And he kind of let the idea of what he did crystallize in casual fans so they didn't really know what happened.
And if he had gone out immediately and was like, hey, here's exactly what happened.
You tell me if I did anything wrong here.
I asked permission.
It's some weird shit.
Yeah, I mean, it's some weird shit, but I asked every single one, tell me if you did anything wrong.
I guarantee it would have changed his perception.
Now he's back.
He's killing it.
But it's a perfect example of like, if they're coming for your life, you got to fight for your life if you're innocent.
You can't just sit fucking.
100%.
And I always wonder like it's, you know, I saw a quote just even yesterday where someone said we like supported Harvey Weinstein.
And it's like, I know what we had Barstow Radio that day when all that shit broke.
And we prefaced it by saying he's a monster.
This isn't his case.
He deserves to rot in prison.
That was the beginning.
And we're saying, but he made some good movies.
We said theoretically.
Yeah.
Yeah, he had some good hits.
He did have some conversations.
The conversation was fantastic.
Shakespeare in love.
I'm not sure if I can do it.
I had a great point.
That point's gone.
We can get it out of melting.
We can tickle it out of him.
We can tickle it.
Come on, tell me, what was it?
What was it?
It's gone.
Yeah.
Once I'm on a point and it doesn't come out, it's gone.
You're acting like a real machuganist.
No, it's gone.
It's gone.
What's up?
This is a fun game.
You're great at handling controversy.
Let's think of people that are going through controversy, whether it's like big stakes or small stakes.
How would you deal with it?
Logan Paul, Dylan Dannis, coming at his ex.
What would you do when you're in my NDA thing?
Listen, I think I like Logan, and I know Dylan.
I think he had, you signed the deal with the devil when you're fighting Dylan Dannis.
Dylan Dannis is savage.
Now, do you know he's going to go that hard on Nina Agbel?
No, but it's the fight game.
I think you just let, like, what, like, what is the, I saw the video where she's like, she likes sex.
I don't know how he got that, probably illegally, but, you know, I haven't, he's like photoshopping her on pictures.
So who fucking cares to a degree?
But that's Dylan Dan.
I just ignore it.
That's what I would do.
I mean, it's hard as said because it's not Logan.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like he's, I'm sure.
Like, if someone's going after my girlfriend like that, it would be hell on earth for me.
Yeah.
I don't like Logan probably, he's just managing his fiancé, which he should and has to, but it is the fight game.
The fight game's like a wild world where it's like wild, wild west.
You with Logan, you just would, you would ignore all the comments?
I would do like the NDA shit and things like that or suing or whatever.
Like Nina sued him.
It's part of the fight game.
Just be like, I'm going to beat the fuck out of you.
That's the thing.
I still don't think that fight's going to happen.
So that's the tricky thing.
It's like, and is, is it weirdly, do the lawsuits give Dylan a way out?
I mean, the guy hasn't fought in like 10 years, but and he didn't look great.
I don't know.
It is interesting.
I guess they're suing because one of the pictures or videos was private.
Well, that's the one I was talking about where Nina.
Oh, it was her talk.
I thought she just put that on Instagram or something on Snapchat.
No, she, I think she said that must have been like taken deep from her archives.
But why would she record into her into her phone?
Yeah, but speaking publicly.
Well, maybe she was like...
It could have been sent to somebody.
Got you.
Her friends.
It's a group chat.
Yeah, yeah.
Something like that.
Okay, so that's a private thing.
Okay.
So I get okay.
I get that.
That being said, if he wasn't posting every single day, I don't think that there's an I don't think that there's a lawsuit out there.
I think we're focused.
I think they're focusing on that specific video, but it's not about that video.
It's about the onslaught of images that's painting her.
Yeah, but I mean, again, to me, they're not.
I mean, I saw Logan say this at one point.
He's like, yeah, like she had boyfriends before me.
Like, I haven't seen anything too fucking great.
She had boyfriends.
Who fucking cares?
Yeah.
She's a beautiful woman who's dated.
But it's successful, dudes.
Once Nina shows that she's upset by it, listen, Dannis will go in.
There's nothing to stop him.
So anytime you acknowledge, engage, do more, he just ramps it up.
It's the fight game.
I asked Dylan about it and he's like, any image that's being shared is public.
It's either the most part of it.
It's shared by her or that.
She's like, now he's creating the narrative behind it.
Correct.
And then we could argue how bad it is to bully this girl, which is bad.
She's not involved, right?
It is the fight game, but I think there's also an ickiness we all feel.
We're like, it's family.
Yeah, it's the family.
Yeah, like, what's going on here?
I wouldn't want anybody talking about my wife like that.
Absolutely.
But I'm trying to think.
I do think not that Logan would have expected this, but he had to be remotely surprising that Dylan would go here.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, he's been trolling nonstop.
So what happens if that fight, if he doesn't show up to the fight?
I think he'll continue with the trolling, probably.
What happens if he wins?
We're all in trouble.
It'll be never ending.
I don't think he will, but it'll be never ending.
Are you going to go?
No.
I've lost my interest in to Dylan's, if you want to say credit, he has made it interesting because you actually, you know, there's real fucking bad blood.
But I've kind of lost my interest on the celebrity boxing shit.
You're over a little bit.
I thought that would be a perfect lane for Barstool.
Like if you're not going to be able to do it.
I mean, but they have it.
You guys have been doing it.
Yeah, we do like, but not name.
We do like no names.
Celebrity ones.
Yeah.
The Jake Paul Fury fight was my last kind of because I didn't know how good Jake was.
I was very curious.
And then when he fought Fury, I think I came to the conclusion, like he beat the shit out of me, but he's certainly not an elite boxer.
And that kind of took the took the bloom off the rose for me a little bit.
Yeah, I wonder the celebrity boxing thing.
And you guys kind of picked up on this because you wouldn't do for the, was it Rough and Rowdy?
Yeah, you wouldn't do celebrities, but you would do like archetypes, like Hillary.
Yeah, yeah.
We had converted.
Private school kid.
Yeah, you had Jose.
But like, I also think it's a really interesting way of like galvanizing group support because this is what boxing was, right?
When we were growing up, it was just like Mexican versus American.
Yeah, Puerto Rican versus Black.
It's still a huge fight.
It wins every fucking time.
Yeah.
Because you tap into the identity.
So if you got like, I'm from the Appalachian Mountains guy, and then you got City Private School Kid.
And we still do celebrities.
The thing is, celebrities, just like anything with social media, they don't need the middleman.
They make all the money themselves.
Like, what do they want to give us?
Like, certainly Logan and Dylan don't need us to help promote their fucking, everyone knows about this fight.
Identity Fights and City Kids00:14:52
When is it?
I don't even know.
It's got to be a little bit more.
Is it 14th?
14th?
15th?
One of those.
Are you a UFC guy at all?
Moderate.
Yeah.
Like big fights.
We sponsored Patty the Batty, Molly Meatball.
I'll go to the big ones, but I'm more of a boxing guy, traditional boxing.
What is...
I saw you, I think, at a UFC.
Yeah, we saw it.
Yeah, it was at the garden.
Yeah.
Okay, so what is like, you said something interesting out there.
You said, my only joy in life right now is eating.
Because I asked you, I was like, would you do Ozimpic?
And you're like, yeah, but you can't eat.
And that's the only thing I have to look forward to.
That's factual.
Okay.
Is that because you've made the money, you have the houses, your family's safe?
And this is like, explain that to me.
Like, is it because you have the things that you need?
I think as you get older, I'm in a like committed relationship.
So I'm not like chasing girls or doing anything like that.
I like gambling, but food is like, I feel like when you're younger, you're going out, you're partying, you're doing other stuff.
I just eat.
This is the drug now.
Yeah.
I'm not chasing these other highs.
Yeah, right.
Like a great fucking pasta.
Like that can make me come.
That's like my new come.
That's my favorite line.
My dick is on the floor.
Yeah.
When you have something great, that's like the true video.
It's like pizza, like great pizza.
Holy shit.
Yeah.
I think that, I don't think that's a revolutionary statement.
This is new for you.
This is like, I'm trying to understand.
It's also, because with food, it seems like it's literally food is the thing creating the stimulus.
It's not like, hey, we're all having a conversation and breaking bread.
You could sit there by yourself.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's the pasta.
Yeah, yeah.
Really?
Yeah.
And then, but you've tried drugs, you drink, you've done these other things, and this is the one right now.
This is not because you know what?
Outside, like you put on some pounds or whatever.
Like, if I go party hard, I'm ruined.
I can't.
I lost getting angry.
Yeah, I can't function the next day.
I'll get sick.
It's like I can't work.
I can't think.
So, do I, would I love to be, if someone has like a drug that I can go have that time my life and up till fucking 6 a.m. and be ready to roll at 10 a.m. the next day, I'm in.
Give me that drug.
I'm ready to go.
But I don't have that anymore.
And I'm getting up in it.
Like, if I do ecstasy now, almost uniformly, I get a bad cold two weeks later.
Oh, yeah.
It's like because I lose a night of sleep.
Oh, yeah, the body's broken down.
It breaks down.
Yeah, yeah.
So I used to, and it's probably because I don't do it much anymore.
Like I used to do it more frequently.
My body, but yeah, if I go.
It's still great, though, dude.
It's the best.
It's the best drug there is.
How the hell do you stay in such good shape eating all that pizza?
One bite.
What you're seeing is that.
I swear to God, I don't think about this.
That one slice.
I'm definitely getting watched shit.
I'm definitely getting that.
That impresses me as much as being worth nine figures is just one bite of good pizza and then throwing the rest out.
If it's great, I've never seen you only take one bite.
If it's great, I'm definitely eating more.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, the trying to think.
I want to know the secret because I want to be eating pizza like that.
Oh, yeah.
Walk.
Honestly, I just walk a lot.
No, hot boy walks, for real.
Hot boy walks.
I'll try to do like three to four miles a day if I can walk.
Really?
Yeah.
Got to stop walking to it.
I'm trying to.
What about a restaurant, Dave?
Is there any interest in like doing fine dining?
Like opening one?
Or being part of it?
Like, is that something that's challenging to you?
Like, oh, yeah.
Are you like, do I, I want to hack that?
I want to beat that.
I want to create nothing into it.
So this is simple indulgence.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like I love great meals.
Dream restaurant you haven't been to?
Ooh, what a question.
I always hear Ryo's.
I've never been there, Rayo's, whatever.
I've heard overrated, not overrated.
I've never iconic Italian restaurant from East Harlem in New York City.
You guys probably seen the sauce.
They have Rayo's sauce.
It's based out of that.
And this is like a, this is like an old New York haunt.
You got to know somebody to know somebody type of thing.
I'm not sure if there is anything.
Foreign, foreign restaurant.
Anything?
Are you like looking at Michelin stars?
Sushi guy at all?
No.
Like if I hear it's great, but there's nothing like...
I have Tokyo trip.
Oh, no.
I have no desire.
I love sushi.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
The Japanese, their culture is based around perfecting things, and they ran out of Japanese shit to perfect.
So now they're just perfecting other cultures' things.
I had the best steak I've ever had in my life in Tokyo.
I had the best pizza.
I grew up in New York City.
Best pizza.
Pizzas, I think it's called Pizza Strata or something like that.
Now, I'm going to create a little caveat.
I was eating sushi for seven days in a row and then I had pizza.
So it was so novel, different, et cetera.
But their culture is perfection.
Everything they do, it just has to be just whittled down to perfection.
How long of a plane ride is that?
You're up there for a while.
It's a while.
It's probably such a homebody.
It's like I'm the opposite of some travel people like exploring new places.
I'm very much like, ooh, I found a place I like.
I'm going to be good here.
I don't have to move.
But this is food.
I love food.
Also, you're laying flat on the plane now.
That's hot.
That is a good thing.
I got my food.
That is a big difference.
I can't text you.
Yeah, find Wi-Fi.
I can be on a plane for a year.
Yeah, yeah.
No, it's actually fun.
You're right to be in those cubicles that they got.
Yeah, dude.
Yeah, dude.
I mean, if you were into, if you're just looking for the meal, bro.
Yeah.
This is no-brainer.
No interest to go out there.
No, I had.
I mean, you're trying, you're creating a compelling case a little bit.
I want to watch you go there.
I want to see the Dave vlog.
I want to see you reacting to like the Harijuki girls.
You know, the girls that wear this on.
Fucking seem so many people.
It's like Times Square on steroids.
That's why I need to see you there.
Oh, just the fact that your shoulders are coming up.
Yeah.
I need to see.
Times Square is the worst place on earth.
Please go.
This is.
You were going up, and then when you're like, it's exactly like Times Square, it's like, well, I fucking hate it.
It's Times Square, but they're all Japanese.
And it's like the best places.
Like, hey, Dave Ford, I want a reservation.
I'm like, who the fuck are you?
No, no, you got it.
You call, go through the go through the hotels.
The hotels take care of everything.
All right.
Also, imagine if all the best shit was at Times.
Just where we know to be like the M ⁇ M store.
Imagine if the best restaurants were in.
Still would fucking hate it.
And the restaurants won't even be in that area.
I don't like people.
There's too many.
I don't like crowds.
Yeah.
I hate crowds.
You're going to.
But they all look like one person.
You know what I mean?
Because I'm taller?
No, they just look that different.
He doesn't see colors.
I don't even give the joke.
Some people say they look similar.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I don't know what you guys are talking about.
It's like, okay, this needs to happen.
Dave goes to Tokyo and they just opened up because they were closed for years because of COVID.
So you couldn't even travel there.
I didn't know that because I wasn't looking to go.
What do you just opened up?
I think within a few months.
That's why it seems like all these celebs have been gone.
This is.
You're in the celeb world.
Who the fuck's going to go on?
You're in the celeb world.
But how, who, like, who?
You just said, all these celebs are gone.
Like, who?
Kai Sanat and Speed.
I don't even know who those fuckers are.
They're streamers.
They stream on Twitch.
You know, Kai is the guy who did that thing at Times Square and like.
Yeah, I heard about that.
Yeah.
Are you into this streaming thing at all?
What is your, you don't think?
I mean, they're obviously, I get that they're fucking huge, hugely impactful, influential, but I'm not.
Streaming's not, I missed that wave.
Do you have your eye on any like talent out there that you're trying to bring to our soul?
No, not really.
We've had great talent, still have great talent, come through the doors.
We're always looking.
What do you look for in talent?
Because you have a great eye for talent.
You're like the SNL for the online world almost.
It's just different, really.
Sometimes I get it.
Sometimes I don't.
Like, Caller Daddy, I didn't really fucking get it, but it's like I knew it was different.
Million dollars worth of game.
I thought they were very fucking funny.
So it just varies.
Like Roan, different.
Like, you know, I was hoping that the Cameron Mace show, I was talking to you.
We talked to them.
Oh, is that going to happen?
No, I don't think it is what it is.
Fantastic, dude.
Yeah.
So good.
We did speak.
That would have been a perfect fit for me.
We made an offer to them.
I don't know if we ever went that far.
It was also at a time when I wasn't, I mean, I wasn't owning the company anymore.
So they weren't cheap.
So it was like we talked to them and ultimately, I think it was a penny decision.
I believe we got a quote.
I won't say what it was.
It was a lot.
We gave it a lot of thought and we just passed.
It was really a pen thing.
Ah, damn.
Yes, probably big money, but they got it.
They got it a lot.
If you were at the helm, would you have to?
Because generally, they already were too big for when we like to get involved.
Because if someone's already exploded, what's our value add?
Anybody can write you a check, but we like to be kind of on like the come up.
So like Call Our Daddy was nothing.
Million dollars worth game was already big, but they weren't, they hadn't, I don't think, hit that next level yet.
You're sharing the growth.
Yeah, because that's our value.
If anybody can write a check.
They were already, I feel like, before we got involved.
Gotcha.
I mean, we had fucking Dion.
Yeah.
Dude, that, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Did you watch?
We had Tion like right before he went to Colorado.
It was insane.
He's the best guy in the world.
Ever.
Love him.
He is the number one guy I've met that was totally different than what I thought I was getting when I met him and just like the smartest, down-to-earth, aware, like calculating, just dude ever.
First time you met him, what happens?
I was impressed instantly.
Like we just started talking, shooting the shit.
First of all, some athletes.
Can you paint the picture for us?
So, well, some athletes at his stature or whatever have an air about him where it's like, you're not sure you can bust balls.
He could take it.
You can say anything, make fun of him for anything.
He'd give it back to you, just so down to earth.
And then the story that got me was he was talking about his primetime character.
And he's like, well, when I was in college, I looked at all the people getting drafted in money slots, quarterbacks and all this.
He's like, no defensive back ever made money, ever got paid.
So I'm like, what do I got to do to change this?
Invent primetime, make myself.
Conscious decision.
Yep.
Genius.
Create this fucking marketing thing.
And it fucking worked.
Like, and he's dead right.
Everything he does is calculated, smart, just he's, and he's so like wildly humble, which you wouldn't expect.
And the way you can, you can bust the balls.
Like you, if he loses, I could text him and be like, you fucked that play call.
I was like, yeah, I know.
Like, he's just, he comes across as one of the guys, truly.
I don't have, and he's had my back through, like, if someone attacks, ask, he's like, I love him.
Like, he's straight.
He's, he's, honestly, I can't root for him.
And I knew he would be successful.
I knew that within, and when I say that as a college coach, I'm like, anybody who could sit with him and not hire him is a moron.
He's perfect for this age.
Really?
Perfect.
Yeah, he's got the insane gravity.
There are some people that, for whatever reason, when they talk, the world wants to know what they're saying, whatever they're doing.
The eyeballs are on him.
And he's one of them.
Now, obviously, this past weekend, did you expect this?
It didn't shock me.
I thought they had a chance to win, if we're being honest.
But they lost Travis Hunter and he just doesn't have the guys yet.
But it didn't shock me.
Do you think that, because we all love to root for the cocky, you know, the bravado, like everybody loved when Connor was knocking people down and being confident.
And the second he stumbles, everybody kind of totally.
So do you think that's going to happen this week with Dion?
Oh, it was all real.
Listen, that will come.
But I guess what I'm saying about Dion and I think he's smart enough if he's like, you know what?
Me being humble and like almost deferential to other teams or whatever would help me win.
He'd do that.
Like he's doing what he thinks he has to do to build the best program.
Yes.
And it's working.
Like Colorado's fucking, people are going to forget that.
Colorado is horrible last year.
They expected him to be 0-3 going into that game.
He's already been a success no matter what happens.
I mean, they were like the worst team ever last year.
I'm a college football casual, but the only college football memory I have of Colorado before this year was at Cordell Stewart Hail Mary in like 94.
Yeah, right.
That's all I got.
Yep.
In 20 years, 30 years, whatever it's been, that's it.
Now the most part of the fucking player.
And even look what he does.
You can tell a lot by the people who come back to support him, whether it, you know, it could be Troy Aikman one week and then it'll be Michael Irvin the next.
And it's like, you don't find people who know him who say bad things.
Like the people he spent a lot of time around are all uniform.
Like, yeah, he's fucking the real deal.
Do you remember watching him play?
Yes.
Have you seen anything like it since?
No, he was a different guy.
I mean, there was, it's weird because I actually was more like Bo Jackson, like Bo Jackson until he got hurt.
Yeah.
Like, I was like, I would be more like Deion can't hold Bo Jackson, Jockstrap type guy.
Actually, I thought Bo was Bo was also that dude.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bo was also.
And then you saw Bo play offense too, which is way more exciting.
Bo, like Heisner Trophy and that muscular and everything.
He's like a superhero.
Yeah, it was unreal.
Yeah, so for me, now you look back, but for me, it's like, who was the original two-sport athlete?
The Bo Nose campaign, all that.
It was fucking Bo Jackson.
Even the stories you'd hear about him are like, I watched that 30 for 30 on him.
Insane.
What story?
Just there was a million of them, like these crazy heroic.
Like, you just pick a baseball up and like throw it out of a field.
There's that clip of him in the Royals game.
He runs on the wall.
Yeah, runs up the wall.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
So, but I remember him, but I remembered him more.
My memory of Deion was like very flamboyant, like flashy, kind of like talk a lot, you know, player.
I didn't really know the person as much.
And I was probably on the young side, but my roommate said it well.
Deion's Flamboyance and Defense Stars00:04:22
This was like 15 years ago, but he said every cornerback you've seen since Deion is just doing Deion in some form or fashion.
They got the long towel hanging out the back.
For a while, they would wear that little headband around the neck that Deion wear.
They're all just doing Deion.
Yeah.
I mean, obviously, you're going to replicate the most successful person in your position, but it's just crazy that somebody who was playing defense could be the star of the team.
I understand maybe a linebacker because you're sacking the quarterback.
There's like this terror.
But the better corner you are, the less active you'll be in the game.
Totally.
And somehow we're still watching him.
He did the punt returns, the dances, the videos, everything.
I remember being, I grew up in Dallas.
I was a Cowboy fan.
Anytime Deion was back to return a punt, just so you could fit home, the whole family, this is it.
Let's go.
There's that great moment when I think he's playing for the 49ers and they're playing the Atlanta Hawks.
So it's the first time back in Atlanta.
Sorry, sorry, the Atlanta Falcons.
It's the first time back in Atlanta.
And he gets a pick six.
And after the game, he goes, he says, he goes, this is always my home.
Even if I'm not playing for this team, it's my home.
Something like that.
Just like, oh, what a fucking legend.
To do the post.
Like, you could go after that, be like, oh, it was so emotional to be here.
No, no, keep the character.
No, I'm a huge fan.
I'll be a huge fan of his for life.
Till your cornerbacks get not getting paid story.
Now it's like one of the top five positions today in football.
And I didn't think about that until you said it.
That's all back to Deion.
Yeah.
And he got branding early.
Like, he's like, how do I make money?
How do I get, you know, contracts like sponsorship?
He got it.
He got it.
He had a shoe that was fired.
Football players never have cool shoes.
Deion shoe was fired.
Too legit to quit.
Him and MCM earlier.
Yeah, yeah.
He's in the rat videos.
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Okay, what happens with the Pats?
Before we get out of here, what happens with them?
Does Belichick win another ring?
I can tell you, I'm scarred from that game yesterday against the Jets because I thought Mac looked good.
And then this coaching, I don't know what the fuck happened in the second half.
They won the game.
It felt like a loss.
The Jets are so pathetic.
They let him in.
I don't know what's going on.
I'll say yes, but the tone of voice isn't the most convincing.
You had a lot of beasts.
I think Mac Jones is very good.
I don't know how Jacoby Myers, we let him go to the Steelers and got Juju Smith Schuster for the same money.
That was crazy.
It's been a rough patch.
Having said that, if the Patriots don't win forever the rest of my life, I'll take it.
You're so blessed.
Yeah, what's your overall perception of Belichick post-Brady?
Does that taint his legacy?
As like in the coaching, not in your eyes, in the coaching echelon.
It doesn't.
Belichick Legacy and Coaching Echelon00:06:54
To me, I get a lot of people because I really think he was largely responsible for the Giants Super Bowls with the defense he had with like LT. So it's like he did it there.
And then he Marcel never won a Super Bowl without Belichick.
Correct.
Yeah, and Belichick was out.
So, and like, if you remember, they it no, I got confused.
Um, so, but I can see the argument.
I can certainly see the argument.
They made a mistake letting him go too early, Brady.
Like, he still had years to play, and then he goes and wins to Tampa.
So, I certainly see the argument because the Patriots haven't been very good since.
Yeah, I mean, it's just the greatest run in the history of sports.
Yeah, 20-year run.
It's been unbelievable.
But the Brady thing is so interesting.
He was on, you know, Patrick Bet David.
Yes.
He's fantastic.
And they did a podcast.
It was kind of like live, and he had Brady on.
And Brady was talking about this competitive like this just the other day.
And these clips are fantastic.
Yeah.
I mean, he cried during the Brady Six.
Just cried talking about six quarterbacks, like on a documentary, crying that they were drafted ahead of him.
But that type of fucking, like him talking about how he was on some Jordan shit.
Like, I need the enemy and I need the anger.
And once I, yeah, once I can hate you, I can get out there and be like, let's fucking go.
But I love that.
I love, I love someone going out there and wanting the other team to hate them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And thriving off of that.
I didn't have change from the other team.
What more?
What motivates you?
Are you one of those that?
Yo, for sure.
Hate.
Hate is a major.
Like, that is probably my fuel, like enemies.
And would you create an enemy that they rate him everywhere?
But I mean, like, you know how Jordan would have to do that.
Do you need that for motivation sometimes?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I've always had it.
So I don't know what I do without it.
But it's always there.
Like that guy, Kenji, he's going on an Ace of Spades bottle today.
Like, no joke.
Wait, why would happen?
That's the guy from the.
No, I know, but what?
Oh, I.
Oh, you're not popping it.
No, no.
You're just putting him down here.
No way.
Yeah.
How do you feel about Kyrie?
So I have a weird relationship with him because I hate his guts.
Or at least I did.
So really, I'm a Celtics fan.
So his tenure with the Celtics.
Not the best.
Not good.
And then I feel like he deserved all the hate he got.
I feel like he turned it into Boston's racist city.
Even Kate, like, if you stomp on the leprechaun in the middle of the garden.
We're going to call you.
No, Kayde.
There's going to be a couple of Jairu songs playing.
On fucking repeat.
Fucking no, we don't.
I don't like him.
But so, and I've always said that.
I've called him, I think he's a team killer.
I think everywhere he goes.
So I tweeted that the other day with the Mavs.
I'm like, why would the Mavs trade for him?
He's a certified team killer.
Yeah.
And he killed him.
Guess what?
Kyrie tweeted at me, hey, fucking big mouth.
Why don't you play me one-on-one?
So I was like, all right, motherfucker, like what?
What?
You think, let's play one-on-one.
And then it went a little deeper.
I also, as a Jewish guy, I thought his whole fucking way he handled the, when he put up that video was awful.
Put it up, fine.
Once people bring it to your attention, be like, all right, fine.
I don't care.
Like, he never really took a step back from that for a long time.
And I think he thought he was in the right.
So he's digging his feet in.
Long story short, him and I now text each other the craziest texts trying to set up this one-on-one where he's going to meet my family.
I'm going to meet his family.
And we're going to try to solve world peace together.
But it hasn't happened.
We've been a sit-down one-on-one or playing ball one-on-one.
Playing ball one-on-one and then a sit-down after.
Fuck no.
So why would you even do it?
What do you have to lose?
Oh, oh, Kyrie wanted to.
Yeah, if Kyrie offers to play you one-on-one, you're going to take him up on that, but also to solve, you know, world hunger.
Yeah, all the other issues.
You want to come eat.
He's like, we'll do it in your hometown and then I'll come meet your parents.
You'll meet mine.
Because I think there's a lot of like shit.
So and we're supposed to do it by the end of August.
It didn't happen.
And then I'm like.
You guys leave there like the Jews are kind of annoying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I can't get a read on him.
I think he may be nuts.
At times, he sends paragraphs to me like weird hours.
I mean, off the record, what does he say?
You wouldn't even be able to make like real sense.
It's just like he's trying to basically be like, listen, I just want peace, no hate.
Let's figure this out type stuff.
He is, I mean, he's a genius with a basketball.
Like his offensive.
Yeah.
Just one-on-one, maybe we never see anything like it.
I wonder if to think that outside the box to create a game like he has, because if you just ask any basketball player, just if off of offensive game, they're going to point at Kyrie in terms of skill.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, a lot too.
I mean, I don't know if there's one, maybe, obviously, KD can get his shot off no matter what, but I don't think even KD would say, I'm nicer with a basketball than Kyrie in terms of just skill.
Yeah, he's definitely up there.
There's no doubt.
Okay.
It's magic watching.
Steph maybe as well, but even what he does.
Okay.
So maybe to be that much of an outside the box thinker to create that game and think about the game in that way.
The baggage of that is also to think about life in that way.
I mean, here's the thing with a team.
If you have a teammate, I assume you need to be able to depend on the guy to be on the court.
And for him, I don't care what he says.
You have not been able to depend on that for a whole host of reasons, whether it's he doesn't want to get the what it's always something.
So what Kyrie's villain arc to me is LeBron's greatest success.
Yeah, seriously.
Oh, wow.
I know.
Well, that I always hate LeBron.
So I was actually pro-Kyrie when before he came.
I'm like, Kyrie's the one he won.
He's the one that got the shot, not you.
And then when he came to Boston, it was open arms.
But like the thing that drives me nuts most that's really started with Kyrie is he has this habit of talking about stuff and creating a story.
Hey, Kevin Durant, you want to play together at the all-star game?
I'm going to leave Boston.
Then the Boston media will be like, do you want to leave Boston?
He's like, why are you asking me about that?
Because you motherfucker at the All-Star game was on camera talking about it.
So it's like, you can't get mad when people ask questions.
I also hate when people like don't.
who take stuff away from like the fans.
The fans are why all athletes are making obscene amount of money.
And to treat them with no respect, I find somehow it's sometimes tough to swap.
Take stuff away from the fans.
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Like when you don't appreciate.
When you act as if the fans are a nuisance.
Yeah.
It's like they're the reason why you're able to get paid.
So obviously they shouldn't be able to say anything to a course.
But there's going to be a certain amount of booing or cheering.
We're going to take the max tier.
You got to know what pays for the max tier.
100%.
If he took a minimum deal, I was like, yo, don't fucking talk to me.
Cool.
Yeah.
Imagine an athlete said that.
Imagine an athlete said, I will play for, this is a max player.
He goes, I'll play for $2 million a year.
Only thing I request is nobody says anything mean to me while I'm playing.
Let's be honest, I think that would work for some people.
Boston would be silent.
It would work.
It would work.
I mean, listen, that's no different than anything.
In my company, the employees who make the most money as a boss expect the most.
Yeah, you keep an eye.
So I don't know.
I get it.
There's some fans go over the line.
No doubt about that.
But just a lack of appreciation sometimes that as a fan, that fucking bothers me.
Dave Portnoy, my friend, thank you so much for being here.
Of course.
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We have another one of these coming.
Definitely coming.
Not scheduled yet, but there definitely will be more.
Has to do it.
Have to.
Raging success.
And maybe traveling a bit, right?
I know we thought about it.
Okay.
They might have to step up the pizza on the West Coast.
Or we bring the, I mean, that would be nothing.
Bring the iconics.
That would be.
Bring the iconics.
How is that not like in Vegas?
Yeah.
Right.
How is Vegas not just giving you guys the bag to bring forward?
To bring them all.
I know.
Okay.
So check out all the things.
Obviously.
I'm going to go after this.
I'm going to research the chain of events for my layoffs in my own company.
I'm going to fucking see how that actually went down.
We bring the hard-hitting questions over here.
Yeah.
Anyway, thank you so much, bro.
It's amazing what you've fucking done.
And we're going to get you out to Surf Lodge one of these days.