Saagar Enjeti and the hosts dissect declining American values, linking shifts in patriotism and family formation to economic instability and the loss of post-Vietnam confidence. They analyze class stratification through Charles Murray's "Coming Apart," critique university endowments for excluding lower-income students, and debate the impact of internet culture on regional identity. The conversation covers Joe Rogan's Austin club model, policy support via the CHIPS Act and Inflation Reduction Act, and legal complexities surrounding Donald Trump's potential indictment. Ultimately, the discussion suggests that modern political landslides often stem from crisis reactions rather than positive achievements, while questioning how societal structures influence everything from gender ideology to serial killer psychology. [Automatically generated summary]
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The Downfall of Religion00:01:46
A lot of people don't even know this about the club.
But the way that he's paying comics.
You can't compete with that guy.
Yeah, I know.
You can't.
It's like, he won't let me say what it is, but he said I could talk kind of about it.
Bro, it's just complete game change.
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to Pry Rod.
Today we have our resident journalistic expert with us to explain everything that's going on in the world.
Your Sagaro Jaya Saga.
Yo, Sagar, how are you?
What's up, boys?
Thank you.
So thank you so much for coming.
Listen, we have a lot of things we need to get to the bottom of.
And you're going to explain it all to us.
If we act like X, take me seriously.
Take me seriously now.
This is a big thing.
Take me fucking seriously.
Take me fucking.
Thank you, Al.
Thank you, Al.
You can't do it.
We have a journalist on the show, and you're acting like this.
He's dressed good.
We are going to be loose.
That's why this works.
Exactly.
The downfall of religion.
You're the downfall.
I got nothing to do with this.
Listen, you were talking about the downfall of religion, right?
Yes.
And how America is falling apart because of it.
Well, I didn't say that.
You said Canada is going to take over.
Well, I don't know.
Are you really?
You're probably even.
No, I'm not actually even that religious.
But let's pull the graphic up, actually.
I'll put one of these in front of me.
Wall Street is...
Back to work.
Did you see that so much?
I was thinking the graphic was going to just come down.
Come down.
I thought he was telling Mark to do that.
I'll pull it up.
Okay, so this is what we got this morning, Wall Street Journal poll.
Percent who say these values are, quote, very important to them.
Patriotism, 1998, was 70%.
Today is 38%.
Religion, 62% in 98, 39% today.
Having children, 59%, 1998, 30%, 2023.
Community involvement was at 47.
Explaining the Cultural Shift00:06:20
Got it up here in my job.
There we go.
1998.
And then down to 27.
The only one that's...
Increase money 31% to 43%.
Explain this to us.
Sure.
You're here to explain everything important and smart to us.
I think the reason that you're seeing this is a couple of things.
So 1998 was obviously like peak homogeneity as a society, but more importantly.
He's a handsome fucking guy.
He is, right?
He really is, dog.
It's just, it changed everything.
I get so much shit from people because you're the only person who pointed out my actions.
What are you talking about?
Polite about it.
They're like, oh, he's got nice teeth.
You know, you were like, sucking my new, those new teeth, my boy.
Honestly, he's a sneaky hater, bro.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He was boring.
Why is he hating?
I'm excited.
It's totally fine.
You brought their teeth.
They're your teeth.
Yes.
Okay, let's address the teeth.
So I actually had to address it, bro.
I had a huge problem.
I thought you had the same teeth as me this whole time.
Big ass teeth.
No reason.
I knew you were.
I had misaligned teeth here in the back.
And right before breaking points, I went to this orthodontist to fix it.
She's like, I get you two options.
She's like, we can either put it in new ones.
This Iranian woman, lovely lady.
She's like, we can either do the.
Sorry, go on.
Yes.
There we go.
That's you before.
Yes.
You got work done, bro.
Yeah, no, man.
I just started working out.
I just started working out.
I swear to God.
Did you ice plunge?
Huh?
Yes.
Actually, Huberman got me an ice plunge.
Really?
Yes, he got up to him.
Shout out to the gold plunge.
I think he's on the peptides.
Are you on the path?
Let's be honest.
I wish I was on the peptides.
I wish.
No, I refuse to take stomach glutide.
Nothing.
I just, Dr. Lane Norton, shout out to Lane Norton.
Calories in, calories out.
Starve yourself.
Not starve yourself.
Eat at a caloric deficit, and I work out a lot.
That's it.
Is that called the be gay diet?
Yes.
Actually, gay men have been doing it for centuries.
Oh, I was right about that.
Oh, yeah.
Any bodybuilding gym in this country is just full of gay boots.
And they're there.
It looks way better.
If you need fitness advice, you should go to a rift team.
It's my turn in the middle.
Oh, my God.
You know, the rip gay dudes obviously know how to work out.
100%.
I mean, they weren't always rolling.
You're saying centuries.
You know what I mean?
In the 80s, they were getting pretty good.
Have you ever seen some photos of like the Greek guys working out?
Like back then?
100%.
Like 2000.
He had an interesting theory about this.
He was like, he was like, because they're on semen.
He said they're on semen.
And that's just raw testosterone.
Yeah, just mainlining.
Yeah, don't know Zempit.
What do you mean you're not sure how it works?
I'm not sure if there's testosterone.
Is there testosterone in semen?
That's where testosterone comes from.
Yeah.
Let's check it.
Pretty sure it's from the gonads.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's testosterone.
Yeah.
It's not in the I don't think it's in the semen.
Substantial concentrations of testosterone are not only present in male circulation, but also in ejaculate.
Okay.
This is logical shit.
Derek Moore plays more dates.
Is it like synthesized?
There's a difference.
That's why no more free testosterone versus outside of testosterone.
That's why I know he's not really committed to that fitness life.
Oh, really?
Because he'd be sucking at the tap if he really wanted the good testosterone.
But he wants to get the peptides.
He wants the steroids.
Listen, there's a tap.
It's got the rawest tea on the planet.
Tell Derek to do that, dude.
Derek!
Derek, put the video out.
Slurp, slurp, my boy, if you really want to get them gains.
Dude, brains hurt gains, man.
That's the news.
We got more and more veins, more gains, bro.
That's what it is.
We got to start that, dude.
We leave Derek on the pod.
You should get him, dude.
He's awesome.
I like that shit.
I've never interviewed him.
I'll always talk to him in a couple shape if Derek outs me.
Oh, yeah.
Like, if one day in the future, I get a video where he'll do it.
He'll do it just for the view.
No, no, that's my boy Cody KO.
Who is that?
Natty or not?
Cody.
What am I missing?
That's that big brolic ginger motherfucker that's at the gym walking up to people asking if they're natty or not.
Oh, I haven't seen that.
Oh, what?
Yeah.
No, I haven't seen that.
Dude, get on TikTok, your favorite app.
I don't use TikTok.
Why?
That's why.
Why?
You know, we've gone through it before.
That's why the TikTok CEO is up there.
Kenny KO, by the way.
What?
Kenny KO.
I know, but I call him Cody KO.
Oh, why?
That's a titanium.
Cody KO is not wrong, but now it's the tiny meat gang.
Cody KO.
Yeah.
Yeah, Cody Ko is a different guy.
Oh, that's that Chinese guy on tiny meat game.
The little Chinese white guy on the tiny game?
That's Cody KO?
Yeah, exactly.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
He's not natty or not.
No, no, no, no.
Okay, just making sure.
Kenny KO.
Shout out to Kenny KO.
Listen, he's a GOAT, bro.
You're in the middle of a tricep.
He's like, natty or not.
You're like, bro, finish this set.
Natty or not, motherfucker.
Are you cheating?
It's not cheating.
I respect people who are enhanced.
Just can't do it myself.
Natty or not?
100% natty.
I wish I wasn't.
Well, I guess.
What are you talking about right now?
Does that count?
You lie to your face.
Does that teeth count?
Does the teeth count?
It has no performance enhancing.
I can't eat into apples.
I can't bite into apples.
I wouldn't say that's like enhancing my performance.
All of us are half erect now just looking at these.
But before, before it wasn't that the gap of the teeth.
Did you get fake gums too or something?
Your gums look great as well.
No, dude.
They didn't do anything to your gums.
Really?
Yeah.
Although it did hurt.
Well, I mean, like I said, she was like, you can do two years of Invisalign or maybe three years of Invisalign.
She's like, or I could fix this right now.
And I was like, just fix it right now.
I had to sell my car actually to pay for it.
Really?
This is before Breaking Points.
Way before Breaking Points, dude.
That's the funny thing.
I had it lined up.
I didn't even know it was going to start BP, but it was all scheduled at the same time.
So I also didn't know how long that it was going to be painful.
So I was on the air the next day and my face was all swollen up like this.
And then I was on Rogan six days afterwards.
Literally six days.
So it was like brand new.
Still was like drinking out of a straw.
No, I swear to you.
Why didn't you just do Invisalign?
This is like a lot of maintenance that goes on.
Do you know anything about Invisalign?
Invisalign is fucking crazy.
Yeah, but it's like you can't drink coffee.
You can only drink twice a day.
You can only take it out twice a day.
It's a huge Invisalign, bro.
Did you?
Yes.
Okay.
Well, she's with the rubber bands as an adventure.
Maybe she took me for a ride then, this woman.
But listen to me.
It was pretty expensive ride.
It was literally the same cost, basically, regardless.
Magic carpet, right?
We got raised jokes.
Okay.
So listen, Sager, can you explain what's going on with the Jews?
Oh, what is it?
Don't answer that.
Who do we owe it to it?
Wait, what?
So who did Kanye say that he owes?
It was Jonah Hill.
Jonah Hill.
That's right.
Invisalign and Skepticism00:09:15
Thank you.
I had actually ironically just watched like a week and a half ago.
It's great.
My strong suggestion is.
I wouldn't call it the best.
I wouldn't call it.
It's very stupid, but it's very funny.
It's very funny.
I saw a good tweet.
It was like, showed him 21 Jump Street didn't help, and it was just Mel Gibson.
I thought he loved everybody, though.
Who, Mel?
No, Kanye, remember his fake fucking bullshit excuse?
The racist cover is always, I love everyone or I hate it.
He basically got behind Nazi propaganda and then just said he loves the Nazis.
He says, I love everybody.
And then now yesterday, a couple days ago, he's like, well, now I like the Jews.
What do you guys think is going on with that?
Like, was it attention?
Was it just completely out of his fucking mind?
He's an insane person that happens to be good at making music.
It's just sad.
Yeah.
Sad.
Yeah, it is sad that we miss out on music.
It's sad for us.
I mean, they're still bumping Kanye in every gym that I watch.
It's never stopped.
Isn't that interesting?
No, it is true.
I can't.
Actually, Jordan Shallow said that, I think.
He was like, man, he's like, the one thing you know with Kanye, they will never stop playing his music.
Isn't that crazy?
It's true.
It's like when power comes on in the gym, you're like, bro.
Okay.
No, I do want to go over some serious things, and I'm going to try to be serious here as much as I possibly can.
Yes.
So listen, stop it, Miles.
Miles, stop it.
We're not fucking, we're serious journalists.
He looks like a bad guy in Batman.
Scarecrow?
Who?
Scarecrow?
What was scared?
Oh, Killian Murphy.
Yes.
No, I'm on my little Nikki shit right now.
Okay.
Listen, we have serious topics that we don't want to touch.
Obviously, I want to figure out what's going on with Trump.
I want to figure out what's going on with this banking collapse.
And I want to figure out what's going on with TikTok.
And I want to figure out what's going on with the religion in America.
I do think, and I definitely do feel, like, one, patriotism down big.
I was at a Pilates studio the other day.
Yes, Homo.
And I was, this girl said she was afraid to wear an American flag shirt to another woman.
And then she goes, why?
And she goes, oh, you know, the whole like January 6th or whatever.
I was like, what does that have to do with anything?
And she just associates American pride with like extreme right-wing, awesome guys.
That's actually sad.
But if you think about it, it's not actually a crazy development because if you, the patriotism number was at 70% in 98.
Well, what happened after 1998?
Why did it start to get Iraq?
Iraq was the actual problem.
So if we like 1998 was what we call like the unipolar moment where America was this preeminent world superpower.
The only war we had done in the last 30 years was the Gulf War, which, you know, like, look, there's criticism of the Gulf War, like whatever.
At the time.
Is that just because you're not counting Vietnam as a war?
I'm saying it's 30 years after Vietnam.
So it's like we, when do we leave Vietnam?
1975, but technically we want, we started winding down major American combat presence like 1971.
So 1998, we're on top of the world.
It's pre-dot-com crash.
Think about your parents, like retirement portfolios, they were putting money in.
They were getting like 25, 30% year-over-year return.
And also their home values are going up.
Again, no Iraq.
Clinton was president.
Our biggest problem was the president got a blowjob in the Oval Office.
Even after that, he had a 62% approval rating on the day he left office.
This moment like doesn't exist anymore.
And then if you see like 2019, we were already down to 61%.
But I think that the big drop from 2019 to 23 is actually, I wouldn't even put January 6th in that one.
What that is, is total loss of confidence in the government post-COVID.
So it's on the right wing, you're like lockdowns, the, you know, whatever, stimulus check.
They robbed the election from Trump.
That's one.
But then on the left wing, you're like, I can't even believe they stormed the Capitol.
Trump didn't get convicted.
You know, people are still going out to eat.
The complete bifurcation of both polls of the country is what makes people less patriotic.
And that's why even amongst right-wingers in that same poll, only some 56% or whatever said that patriotism was important because they don't feel as much confidence in the government.
No.
So it's really bad.
Is it bad or is it justified?
I mean, maybe.
I mean, I just gave a pretty good case.
That's the thing.
If we're both upset at these institutions and how these institutions have been failing us and our confidence in these institutions is directly correlated with our patriotism, it makes sense that it's low.
That's why, no, I mean, I don't want to shit on everybody.
Can we scroll down to money?
That's actually the most interesting one to me is that 31%, because actually you had a much better chance at getting rich and being upper middle class in 1998 than you did today.
But the reason why people put more value on money is there's nothing else to put value on.
That's the only thing that you can feel good about yourself.
I might as well be rich.
It's much tougher, right?
So one of the things is if you lose community, you lose having kids, you lose patriotism, what's the one thing that you can have?
Money.
And one of the things, actually, I think I even pinned one of the comments, which is that one of the reasons why it's justifiable is that if you look at the earlier generations, they didn't have the luxury.
They had the luxury of not having to worry as much about money.
They could buy a house, a starter home, for example.
They could appreciate in value.
They're not dealing with global economic collapse.
2015.
They don't have to deal with 2008 and 2023 and 2020, COVID, Iraq, Afghanistan, all these bullshits into a single lifetime.
You hear these stories from people who grew up in like New York in the 70s.
And they're like, I worked at a grocery store, sacking groceries.
I had an apartment.
I could support my family doing that.
Okay, you're in my parents, Akash.
My dad got here in like 1988.
He's like graduated, had a PhD, whatever, starts as a professor.
You can go from apartment to house, get a nice house.
My mom works, but she didn't necessarily have to work.
My sister and I got to go to college.
Like this was a standard American dream that was cool for immigrants and for most American citizens, by and large by 1998.
Then the collapse basically of the banks in 2008, that removes a lot of the undergirding for a lot of people because even the people who went back into the workforce, they were mostly underemployed.
So they were making money, but they didn't have benefits.
They didn't have health insurance, not able to buy a house.
Home prices skyrocket with cheap money at the same time, zero interest rates.
So now everybody is trying to chase the dollar because that's the only way that, how are you supposed to have kids if you don't have any money?
I agree with this.
The average home, average childbirth in the U.S. is like $31,000.
Somebody fact check me on that, please.
But it is pretty expensive.
Well, I want to put out good information.
Do you think also, I agree, that makes a lot of sense.
Another part could be religion specifically, more than all these other factors.
If there is, because I am religious, but religion is, they always say the opiate of the masses.
As that loses a foothold, people start to be less like, it's okay to, there's a lot of like, it's okay to be poor if you're religious.
So that's a conservative article.
I buy some of that.
Look, this is all like multifaceted.
There's no one explanation for any of this.
Like I could, that's the religious example.
Like, well, the moment we lost God, then we stopped having to care about kids.
We stopped about community involvement.
And that's when people start worshiping the dollar.
But I'm a little bit skeptical of that because we've had high periods of religiosity in the U.S., which coincide with high periods of making a shitload of money.
So if you look at like the Second Great Awakening here in the U.S., major Protestant, major Protestant gains was like during the 1970s, right before the massive boom of the 1980s with financializations.
Evangelicalism was tied directly to the boom after Reagan became president in 1983.
So it's not like one-to-one, right?
But not one-to-one.
At the same time, it's part of it.
Like I would just say, look, when America, like the number one cause of death for 18 to 49 right now is opioid drug overdose.
If you are a young person, whenever you're surveyed, by and large, you're saying that you're not getting married because you don't have enough money.
A lot of young males, I don't know if you guys saw this, actually, I'm fascinated by this, which is that the number of young single men today is 63%.
The number of young single women is like 31%.
So, everyone's like, well, how does that make sense?
Younger women are dating older men because they have more money.
They have more resources.
And when you look at it, that's actually not a good thing.
That's my wife.
Wait, wait, wait, why isn't that good?
I think that's always how it's been.
Well, yes, it's always been that way to a certain extent.
But when we had gender parity, it was basically a male was able to attract a woman of his own age because he had the social proof, the resources.
So one of the big problems we have right now is that, and you know, you're gold-digging bitches.
Well, you could be that's what you're describing.
Actually, what you're describing is not all money.
That young guys don't have enough money for gold-digging bitches.
Is that what you say?
What I'm saying is that the system is structured in a way that men are no longer attracted to women, specifically young single women.
So, why is that?
So, if you look at why am I singles?
Maybe it's the haircut.
Can I speak out for the flagrant two podcast listeners who sometimes miss out on the visuals as an avid listener?
Andrew currently has his hair in front of his eyes.
I know you're driving your car, you're probably driving crazy.
I'm not speaking from personal experience or anything like that.
Anyway, so check it out on the YouTube ladder.
Check it out louder on YouTube.
You can see my sick haircut.
He's doing a sequel to this movie, actually.
This is why he's simple fact.
Anyway, dude, okay.
Negativity Drives Engagement00:05:02
So, I okay.
So, yeah, I agree with you.
I think it is multifaceted.
I do subscribe to that a little bit.
I think that as you have like a reduction of religiosity, you have a different priority in terms of your life, right?
When God is the first thing in your life, building a family centered around that devotion to God seems like the best available option.
Yes.
And I think that when God is no longer the focal point of your life, you are, you are individualized in your pursuits, and then that will take you into oftentimes a career.
And that career will maybe extend your single life, definitely extend your life without children.
Yes, absolutely.
So, I think a lot of these different things, I think that's what you're trying to tap into as well.
But I agree with you.
It's like it's a peculiar time.
I'm actually okay.
I don't think we should have dogmatic patriotism.
Okay, let me back up on this.
So, I don't think we should have dogmatic patriotism.
What is that called?
Jingoism.
Yeah, jingoism.
Jingoism.
Yeah.
I do think that we should hold the government accountable.
I think we should hold ourselves accountable.
But at the same time, I think patriotism can exist outside of what the current government is doing.
Yes.
Right?
Because the government is a function of the people that we elect, right?
So we can elect some new ones and do some different stuff, and then we can be more proud of ourselves.
But the ideals of America, we could also go also always be proud of that.
We should always be patriotic about the ideals.
So, how do we create these two different, how do we create these two different scenarios where we're like, yo, the government's fucking up, we're going to change it.
And we know we can change it because we have to uplift these ideals.
The problem is we're electorally like in a doom spiral, where if you look at the Trump inaugural address 2016, it was extraordinary because very few times in American history has a president come in and said everything sucks.
Like the American carnage speech.
Usually the inauguration is about that.
That was the title of his inauguration, where he was like, Our decade of American carnage is over.
And he was describing like a country rotted out without its promise, how he was going to restore it.
But it was a negative, not necessarily a hopeful message.
That's how we won the election, to be clear.
But part of the issue with that is that American politicians almost always tried to come from a position of, like, if you think about the FDR, famous, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
That was, okay, we're in a bad state.
The Great Depression, it's going to get better.
We're going to get out of it.
But that really wasn't the tone.
And if you look also, even at the reason why I think Biden ultimately won in 2020, is he was still willing to offer that like boomer level of hope.
Just like hope.
America's great, man.
Come on, man.
You know, the come on, man.
Yeah.
That is, that's like a foundational American spirit.
So I agree with you, but the problem is that for politicians right now and media also, let's be honest, is there's actually a new study just came out that negative headlines click more, that negativity creates more engagement.
Of course, it does.
Like, look, we're, you know, like we're all living in the real world here.
Like, we have to.
So the problem is that negativity is what drives more political engagement.
Negativity is what drives curiosity.
It takes our attention because negativity kills you when we were living in the fucking jungle.
Like you, a lion's coming.
You have to be cynicism.
You have to be a little bit more.
You have to think about that fucking lion.
Piece of fruit is there.
I'm like, oh, yeah, fruit's everywhere.
I don't give a fuck.
Well, there's a good argument to be made.
There's a time in American history called the Age of Acrimony, which was between the Civil War and during the Gilded Age.
So basically, like 1870 to like 1895 or something like that.
That was actually the highest period of American Democratic participation.
So a lot of people don't like to hear that, which is that the time when we disagreed with each other the most, that's when most people were involved in politics.
You know what that was over?
That was over.
What?
That was like, should black people be allowed to vote in the South?
Like, how should Jim Crow be?
Should we have reconstruction or not?
Should we tax billionaires?
But that's also like, you know, how like the majority of 21-year-olds go to a bar and drink?
Yes.
It's like they just got the ability.
Yeah.
So I think black people are like, let me try this voting.
That's not a bad.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, of course they're going to vote for a little when was they allowed?
I think we're looking at 1965 is when slavery ends.
And then when do black people vote?
Well, that's the thing about like actual voter.
Look, voter participation then is difficult to more what I'm pegging is not the overall number, but percentage based of overall voters participating in the process.
Right.
Two year old.
That was during the age of acronym.
To your point, the highest participation, voter participation I've seen in my lifetime is 2020.
Yeah, that's right.
Exactly.
And guess what?
The number one reason that people voted for Joe Biden is what makes people vote.
The number one reason people voted for Joe Biden was they're like, I fucking hate Trump.
They're like, I don't care about anything about Biden.
Nobody voted for Biden.
Well, I mean, oh, they voted against.
Nobody voted for people.
Recounting.
Okay.
Okay.
So can you explain to me right now why there is a cultural apathy right now?
This is kind of what I feel.
But I feel like people are far less engaged.
Gender Disparity Crisis00:05:23
I feel like nobody gives a fuck about pretty much anything.
And for some things, that's, I mean, some people think it's good.
I don't know if it's exactly good.
But for example, for comedy, I think you can say anything you want on stage anymore.
I don't think there's anything taboo.
Talk about any subject.
It doesn't matter.
I don't think anybody's getting canceled, thrown out, whatever.
On stage.
On stage.
Yeah.
On stage.
Where there was a time five years ago where it was like, oh my God, you're taking that opinion.
That's fucking dangerous.
What's wrong with you?
You're crazy.
I think that time is kind of done.
I think there's an overall apathy.
I think there's global economic collapse at our doorstep.
Nobody cares.
One phone call maybe to a friend, like, yo, is Chase going down?
No.
Like, don't even make me look into it.
I have a group chat with three friends where we didn't even Google.
We hit our one friend and he was like, no, you're good.
This is good.
We took his word for it.
Isn't that fucking crazy?
He was right, actually.
He was right.
So why is there this cultural apathy?
Why do you think?
You don't have to give us the actual answer.
Obviously, it's hard to prove.
Why do you think we just don't care?
Right now.
I mean, it's again, atomization.
I would say atomization is probably it.
Number one.
As in, everybody.
I'm not going to do that shit where you say a word and act like we know what it is.
I went to science.
You made that.
I was still thinking of jingle with you.
Google man.
You made that up.
Google it.
What is Googleization?
Google atomization.
Is that when you take your rib outs and make some pussy and then you fall?
Atomization is.
Give me an official definition.
Atomization.
My literally.
It's only bad.
You're breaking bonds in substance to obtain its content atoms in a gas phase.
So, that don't apply.
Breaking apart.
No, because it's breaking apart from a collective whole.
So, as in when I say atomization, I wouldn't believe it.
Like, you could say that word with them teeth, and I'm just like, nah, this guy's smart, bro.
Look at that perfect gas.
It's all in the teeth.
Yes, it is.
All right.
So, I would say it's individualism.
So, for example, like when we look at the number of friends that men report having, the number has dropped from, I believe, it was like four to five close friends 20 years ago.
Now, it's significantly higher percentage of one and zero.
The zero number has actually gone up the highest.
This gets back to the single scary problem.
That's very scary.
Well, the other thing is no, that's not true.
They're friends with Andrew Tate.
Yeah, that's right.
Men, though, are losing interest in almost all of society.
And this is what I worry about the most.
So, you know, people look at people talk about suicide rate, right?
People are looking at, they're like, oh, social media is driving teen girl suicide.
I'm not saying it's not a problem, but males commit suicide at four times the rate that women do.
Or if you look at right now, we're better.
Okay, no, we're actually better at killing ourselves.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
We're going to be better.
Well, we use more lethal.
Actually, the real reason is that most men shoot themselves in the head.
And then women, there's something about the way that women, I don't, by the way, suicide hotline, et cetera.
If you need help, do that.
Okay, so I don't need to be.
You're going through something.
Just put on some fucking Oceans Avenue and you're going to feel so better.
Actually, Oceans Avenue is a great job.
Come on, I would play if you're thinking about doing it.
Do what I do.
Just cover one eye with some hair and go out there and take on the day.
I should have known better.
Come on, dude.
If Ryan Shut Clark can do it, you can do it.
Wait, can you, Miles?
Can you look up the ways that men kill themselves and the way that women kill themselves?
So from what I understand it, women are more likely to take pills, something that doesn't involve like, I guess, like messing with their beautiful.
It's cuter.
Because if you think about it, it's like a gruesome act.
If it doesn't work out, I still want to be pretty.
Yes.
No, but there's something about that where they're much more likely to take pills.
And men are just very much more likely to reach for the gun.
We're efficient.
We're very efficient.
The problem with that, though, is the male suicide rate is very high.
Single men are dropping out of college at a history.
By the way, the gender disparity right now in college is fucking insane.
We're talking like 60-40 for incoming freshman classes.
Yeah, but isn't this like weird?
We've realized that it's just not worth it.
Yeah, but that's not a problem.
That's a problem, though, because a lot of women who have college degrees do not want to date men who don't have college degrees.
Until they make some money.
Okay, but that's the issue, right?
Which is that when you don't have a four-year college degree, you're not going to make enough money to be a desirable mate.
And so right now, in terms of what we're seeing, a lot of women who have college degrees, even if they are willing to marry somebody who doesn't have a college degree, that person needs to be like a very high earner.
Like women make $150,000 to $200,000.
Are women making more than men now at a younger age?
So that's a great point.
So, you know, 10 years ago, what did we hear?
Lean in, lean in, wage gap, wage gap, wage gap.
The wage gap right now is bullshit.
Like, you can pull this up, Miles, please, which is that women are out earning miles.
Okay.
Come on, bro.
All right, all right.
I've been Googling my ass off.
Women.
All right.
Women now outearning men in major cities.
So this is okay, but we solved it.
Like, we're good.
You don't need to hear it anymore.
Like, now we have an actual gender disparity crisis.
Boys and men are like not going to college, making less money, killing themselves at high rates, don't have, yeah, there you go.
In New York City, young women, young women now are out-earn men, especially under 30.
The way that everybody talks about the wage gap right now, I agree with you, but to be fair, this says in 22 of 250 cities, that means in 10% of cities.
Yeah, but what percent GDP is concentrated in those 22 cities?
Like we're looking at New York City, Chicago, San Francisco.
He got me all that shit.
We got it, you just got me.
My man's killing me.
He can't rid of six, bro.
Men out earning women in Jacksonville.
I'm like, who gives a fuck?
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Who gives Say what you're challenging.
You can't really say concentrated, but you got me on that point, though.
I don't know what city is in.
Another guy looking at that wasn't even concentrated.
What did I say?
Conflict.
What is it?
It was something.
Yeah.
My hair dropped on that.
GDP.
I like that.
I thought I was about to call suicide a hotline, bro.
Yeah, this is not good.
This is not good.
I hate to say that nobody.
No one got mad at me for saying noblesse oblige.
What does that mean?
What do you think it means?
Noblesse oblige.
Noblesse oblige.
Break it down.
Noblesse.
Noblesse oblige.
Oblige is like obligated.
Obligation.
So what's noblesse?
Nobility.
So it's like the obligation of nobility.
So the idea of noblesse oblige is the responsibility of privileged people to act with generosity.
The idea was that if you were, it's like that with great power comes great responsibility.
Back then meeting.
So it's like, no, actually, it's the opposite of what you're a fucking idiot.
Hey, dude, stop acting like you know things, bro.
We've got a guy that knows things right here.
Let's just fucking listen to him and explain our French band.
Like, there's no pussy getting guys together.
That's how I knew, bro.
Come on, dude.
That time I knew I was wrong for the record.
And the other time I really thought I got it.
Stop being defensive about it, dude.
Just fucking let it be.
Oh, my God.
I don't know how to do it.
Come on, dude.
Come on, dude.
Let down all you idiots, bro.
Listen, we got one here.
Thank God.
Nobles oblige, bro.
Come on.
All right.
Okay, wait a minute.
You were saying.
So young kids are being gay or something.
Actually, I'm not sure if that, well, that's a separate issue.
Wait, are they?
Okay.
Is there a higher rate?
If you guys want to get into it, we can look at the finish this point.
Finish this point.
That's what the fucking stats, dude.
How many young cold smokers do we have in a marathon?
You just got to power through it.
You just got to power through it.
And eventually.
Are you describing gay sex?
What exactly are you trying to do?
Here's a good one.
Young people are having dramatically less sex than they ever have before.
Old people, too.
Garbage people.
People living.
People doing podcasts.
Wait, can someone pull those stats up for me?
What do you mean someone, bro?
I'm running out of time.
We're YouTube.
Stats.
I can't tell.
Come on.
Statswalla.
Don't call me a Statswaller.
Don't call me a Statswaller.
You really should do screen mirroring because he's constantly.
Yo, look this shit up, bro.
Look this shit up.
Yo, Sonic, we good.
Don't come to me.
Don't cover me, bro.
Chill out.
Yeah, you know what?
How does it feel when Indians outsource?
How does it feel when you get outsourced too, white boy?
Dude.
Oh, dude.
Fucking take that.
Take that.
All right, so what do we got?
Come on, bro.
But you're right.
Why is Sonner so gay?
Why is he?
What's answer?
Column Jr. Blast Load at Texas journalists.
Look at him.
Wait a minute.
You're from Texas and you're a journalist.
You got one of Kalinka.
Come on, bro.
Come on, dude.
Someone tell me another question.
Pull up the amount, not men having sex, just young people having less sex.
So there is actually young people are engaging in less risky activity.
Young people are having less sex.
They're not.
You think it's possible young people are just being honest now because that's valuable?
It's possible.
Like in the 80s, if you were young, not getting a pussy, you were like, nah, I'm getting all a pussy.
Yeah, but the teen pregnancy rate was actually pretty.
Well, I guess if you think about it, abortion was legal then, so I don't actually know.
There you go.
Why today's teens are having so much less sex.
I don't know if they are.
Young people in America are having less sex than young people used to.
Courtship and sexual changes have frequently accompanied disruptive technologies.
Yeah, smart.
I don't blame technology, actually.
I'm not sure that that's right.
I really don't know.
I think a lot of it comes down to like, just, it's like you said.
There's like a lack of national vision projects.
They're doing less drugs well no, they're doing a pot.
They're doing more pot, less drinking, bro.
This is it with the sex and the courtship.
All right, hit me, dude.
No, come on, can I explain it dude?
It's in the 80s.
Most guys didn't know how good dick tasted right right well, that bombed so bad bro, I lost my accent.
I lost my accent.
No, I think what it is is back in the back in the day, before social media, girls had access to the dudes that would hit on them right, they couldn't just be with an NBA star, because you have to be fucking shameless to be at an NBA star.
You have to be shameless, you have to go to their hotel.
You have to like wait for them.
No self-respecting girl is gonna go to a guy's hotel room and just wait.
But that's how you met them back in the day, right?
Or you like knew another famous person.
Hopefully you were invited to some party where maybe they were there, and then you shamelessly approached them.
Now they're just dming you.
So the average girl has access to so many more uh, successful guys than they did back in the day.
So I think uh, younger guys are competing with NBA stars, younger guys are competing with, you know, singers and rappers and all this other shit, and it's a lot more difficult.
There's something to that.
I think that's men on social media or no?
Yeah, just dating apps.
Get like 90 of the swipe I somebody needs to pull up whatever it is.
The point is, the point is this is back in the day, when somebody needs to pull up this.
They gave away.
Somebody was good at his job.
Yeah yeah, he's stacked voila.
Listen, he wouldn't even look at it.
He's like somebody's like serving their display that we could easily find it.
I see him getting more racist episode race.
We're gonna bring it out, but real quick.
What happened initially was when the dating apps came out.
Like I have buddies that, like you know, some of my like close friends they had more fascinating sex lives than I did and I was on tv and I actually had like some clout.
Yeah, but just from swiping, they were having fucking threesomes, foursomes.
It was a meat market that when dating apps first came out.
So like what, was it 2011?
I guess it was people just meeting up right to the house fuck.
This is a great thing, because girls don't need to feel the public shame, right?
You don't have to tell any of your friends what dominates a woman's sex life public humiliation or shame right?
Oh you, all those people.
A guy go straight to your house fucks.
If you like it, you keep doing it.
If you don't like it, you move on.
Right, there's no shame.
As he said, that that body never happened, right?
So they could just have all this anonymous sex.
Here's why.
Yeah, it's hopping marks.
That's the only thing.
That's the only thing I can fuck anyway.
So so so, so.
The point is, what i'm trying to say is like initially, girls do that and then they realize oh, we're just getting meat marketed, we're upset, and then they reject that.
So the first year was fucking insane.
Just, i'm telling pandemonium, it was the first few years, maybe the first two years.
I mean, you remember it was the easiest thing in college, to get shockingly easy Easy, right?
My friends who had nothing, no fame at all, way more interesting sex life.
I'd worked my whole life to be able to fuck whenever I wanted.
And my boy Jamil was working at Expedia, pounding puss like a fucking rolling stone.
It was unbelievable what he was going through.
And I think that girls got tired of that.
And they're like, wait, I'm not sure.
This should be used box when I also have NBA players in my DMs.
Do you see what I'm saying?
So the adjustment kind of happens.
I think that's completely reasonable.
Now, those girls are going to hit an age where they might still be single and then they go, oh, God, these guys won't take me seriously.
And then the age of settling down just might get adjusted.
So we do know the age of settling down has gone, has moved forward.
We know that what, the average marital age now, it's like he's like 28.
If somebody wants to look that up.
You can't call him Martin.
You can't say Martin.
You can't say Martin.
If he doesn't merit a display, then we can't.
All right, what do we got?
Why do we got two?
27 and 29.
I was fucking right.
So if we average that out, it's 28.
So 27 years old for women, 29 years old for men.
This is significantly higher, though, than what it was.
Also, though, there's, man, I'll take it back to Charles Murray.
He wrote a great, by the way, that's a whole other he who must be name.
But Charles Murray, who's the bell curve guy?
Yeah, he's a bell curve.
So he's gotten in trouble.
He did write a great book, which is Biden's favorite book.
So I'll just put that out there called Coming Apart.
And what he points out is the.
Why are you laughing, bro?
Why are you laughing?
Coming apart is what America's doing right now.
Well, look, he called it at the time.
So what he pointed out is that let's say pre-World Island.
Is that what he meant to like literally C-U-M-I-N-G apart?
No.
Oh, I thought we're like, everybody's an incel, so we're not fucking literally coming apart.
What he was saying is that America was splitting apart.
And what he pointed out is that we are having basically, that's what he was saying.
I said it as a joke first, and then you said it again.
And I was like, oh, that's what America's doing right now.
And I said, yeah, we are coming apart.
We're technically coming apart.
Well, I guess both ways we're coming apart.
Okay.
So coming apart.
Are we coming apart?
We are coming apart.
Why can't we come together?
Why can't, hey, Mark, why don't you bring up some porn so we could just come together?
Yeah, dude.
Oh, wait.
Do you pull up the God?
What's it called?
The Charles Murray quiz.
I forget exactly what it is.
Oh, let's not do that here.
Oh, yeah, you don't have to take it now.
I'm just saying people should go and check.
The bubble quiz.
That's what it is.
Do you want to do an IQ quiz?
Huh?
Is that huh?
No, I'd be happy to.
Dude, you know who loves this Charles Murray book?
Fucking Jews and Indians.
I wonder why.
I know Jews just tend to love the Charles Murray book.
No endorsement of the bell curve.
Just saying with coming apart, what he pointed out is that the way that we meet our spouses today is radically different than almost all of human society.
So pre-World War II, what happened is when you were growing up in your town, you were probably growing up in a rural community, 20,000 people.
The available mates that you had to select, it didn't really have anything to do with education.
It was like, yeah, we get along pretty well.
We're like 17.
We're just going to get married.
Then what happens?
World War II, the greatest internal migration in modern American history.
10 million people join the army.
They move all around.
They go to San Francisco, New York.
They meet all these people.
They start businesses.
When they come back with their buddies, blah, blah, blah.
So all of a sudden, we have a great re-sorting.
We get more income.
When you get more income, what happens?
You usually are going to go for higher cultural taste, usually.
So you go to college.
So once you go to college, you want to meet somebody else who's gone to college.
Murray's point is that that's like selective mating.
So what we did is we went from community level mating to then university level sorting.
And now what we're having is multiple generations of that type of sorting.
So for example, parents who went to college, they have kids.
Those kids then are going to even better colleges.
Those kids are marrying kids who went to those same colleges.
Their kids are going to like the Ivy League or whatever.
Like they're totally out of step though with people who did never entered that rat race.
That's what the coming apart idea is.
So the idea, and the whole bubble quiz is basically about if you are second, third generation, upper middle class, you have almost nothing in common with somebody who is multi-generation, did not go to college, lives five miles from their mom in Appalachia.
You probably have more in common with somebody in the UK, in Paris.
You probably all watch the same TV shows.
So one of the things that he talks about in the bubble quiz, he's like, have you ever watched like NCIS?
And it's like, no, like, guess what?
NCIS is the most popular show in the whole country.
Yeah, there's 40.
15 million people.
And it's like, but we all probably watch The Last of Us, right?
Or something like that.
Like The Last was White Lotus.
That's prestige TV.
That's only X million people, but those people are all the cultural tastemakers.
So the point that Murray makes is that coming apart is a multi-generational class difference, as in whether you shop at Whole Foods is a very good predictor of whether you voted for a Democrat or not.
Whether you even have a Whole Foods in your neighborhood is a pretty good predictor of your political affiliation.
Whether, like, for example, oh, Branson, this is my favorite one.
What does the name Branson mean to you guys?
Missouri.
What do you guys think?
Okay, so you said Missouri.
What do you think?
Branson.
The Virgin Atlanta.
For me, Richard Branson.
Richard Branson.
Yeah, you actually subtract points.
You're more in the bubble if you say Richard Branson.
You fucking.
You got in the bubble if you say Branson, Missouri.
Branson, Missouri is like...
The latest fuck.
Yeah, it's like a country movie.
I'm saying everybody.
I had no idea.
I'm like, where the fuck is Branson, Missouri?
They ride duck boats around.
Yeah.
But you're just more dumb.
I'm more dumb.
No, you still say sentence.
He's more existing.
I'm in a bubble, baby.
Have you ever had a family member who served in the military?
You're less likely to be in the bubble.
Like any connection with, have you ever, one of the questions is like, have you ever walked on a factory floor?
Do you have any idea?
Have you ever been sore from working at, from working about your job, like physical labor?
I have some pushback on this.
Okay.
I think it's a very interesting theory.
And I think that the internet completely neutralizes it.
What do you mean?
There is a cultural homogeny that has been created by the internet.
When I was younger and I grew up in New York and I would go to school in California, the way that we dressed was different.
The way we spoke was different.
The way that we interacted with people was different.
The way that we shook hands was different.
Like everything, the way that we danced was different.
Even talk, honestly.
Everything.
Literally everything was different.
It was so obvious.
It was painfully obvious that I was from New York when I was in Santa Barbara.
Now this next generation of kids, they all use the same slang.
They all have the same dance moves.
They all have the same outfits.
They can buy the same clothing because they get everything from the internet.
The disparity of a kid who grows up in New York and a kid that grows up in, maybe Florida isn't the exact example because if you have like a very strong cultural stranglehold, like San Francisco hip-hop culture has like a really unique cultural stranglehold.
But you're not, it's not so different.
It's not so strange and it's not so obscure.
And I think that's what the internet does, kind of like really brought us all together.
I think that's my point, though, which is that what I'm talking about is class homogeneity.
As in.
I think it crosses class because most people have access to the internet.
So I think that like, for example, youth, not us.
I think you got to look at the youth.
The youth isn't watching White Lotus.
That's true.
Maybe they're watching Last of Us because they played the video game.
Right.
But they're not watching White Lotus.
I agree with you.
White Lotus is like some Coso elite shit that like we think everybody watches.
Nobody fucking watches.
Great show.
Yeah, great.
And an awesome show.
But the reality is most people don't own it.
Most people don't do what it is.
And even the show in its essence is like, wouldn't it be nice to go to Sicily?
It's just such an elitist thing.
Like bad things happen when you go on vacation, right?
It's just a naughty, what a naughty idea, right?
These people are working at a factory like vacation.
Yeah, they're like, my vacation is going to be fucking Disney.
My mom is a dream trip for a most.
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Yeah, no, 100%.
It's like a big thing.
I just think that the younger generation, they're going to grow up knowing everything about one another.
And they are not going to be surprised that if there's a TV show, I think like when you look at even like meme culture, meme culture is going to decide which shows are hot or not.
I don't see white lotus memes.
I see Last of Us.
I see The Boys.
I see all these other things.
So I'm very curious what happens to this theory in 10 years.
I still think that class is just, okay, for example, if this were true, then we wouldn't see, then we would see declining rates in college, like attending college, like the elite markers of institutions.
All those still really exist.
Like most young kids who are upper middle class still really want to go to college.
Like yes, less, but they still want to go to the Ivy League institutions.
They still want to be a doctor or be in finance, be in star, any high prestige kind of activity.
And those people, by and large, are the people who run the country.
They have all the money.
They are the cultural taste makers.
I do think there's...
Well, some are.
Some of these, these poor people are, you know, they're like, well, fuck, I'm going to go to school and I'm going to work in a gap like my older brother.
Right.
He's stacked with these crazy levels.
That's because a lot of people started going to college.
Some 42% of Americans, or yeah, I think 42% of Americans have attended a four-year college degree institution.
Part of the problem with the student loan forgiveness thing is that it's not really solving the root of the problem.
As in, this is part of why I was against it.
If you wipe out the debt today, it will have the same level of debt in five years.
The issue isn't the debt.
The issue is that it's very difficult.
The system is fucking rigged.
Yeah, exactly.
It's like these people, like Princeton, Princeton is a great example, did a whole thing on this.
They have enough money to admit every single kid for free and still make a profit off their endowment.
They just don't do it.
Can you explain an endowment?
Okay, so a university endowment, universities are nonprofit, technically non-profit.
They have nonprofit status, which means that they are able to take extra money that they generate and put it into managed funds, like the stock market, LPs, and venture capital, fucking social.
So all the money a school makes, they can put into extra money after they pay for obviously all the billings, whatever, they can put into a fund and invest that fund.
And for example, I think Harvard's fund is worth 53.2 billion.
53, which I believe is more than some small African nations in terms of their 53 billion.
Let's say you're very conservative.
You're making 5% on 53 billion.
Statwall, can you do that real quick?
Can you do 5%?
I'm sure you can find a chart too of Harvard endowment growth over the year.
But Harvard, Harvard, Yale, Princeton.
$250 million.
All these millions.
Yeah, these people are printing money.
So that's $250 million that they're making just in interest a year.
Off the principal.
Off the principal, right?
So what if you just reinvested that into the students that are going?
They don't.
And that actually, and then the limited amount that they're doing.
What do they do?
They do do it is they give it to teachers that go sneak viruses over to China.
That's what they're doing.
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Even worse.
I wish they were doing that because at least that would be scientific.
What they're actually doing.
They do that, no?
Well, they're not.
Wasn't any sneaky little sneaky guy?
Well, actually, I don't know if they're going to be able to do that.
That was more NIH funding.
Anyway, the problem is they're actually mostly hiring diversity, equity, and inclusion staffers.
Two administrators.
Two tie up.
But I think Andrew's point, there is a lot of validity to it.
But to Sagar's point, where does most of the cultural immersion happen and the like elitist ideas and like progress and equality, what equality?
It happens in college.
Yes.
When you're immersed for four years in this like-minded thing, and we have kept a lot of lower income people from that.
There is a barrier to entry that keeps them from that.
There's now generations of that.
So we now had people who went to college, raised their kids in that, then sent their kids to that.
It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I'm telling you, I've said this story before, but when I did shows in Toledo, Ohio, and saw Toledo, everything about how Trump got elected made sense.
Of course.
They don't see it as, we see it as racism.
They see it as this was once a city that had jobs and factories, and now there's nothing.
And so when you say make America great again, that means something to me beyond race.
Right.
Well, exactly.
And it's just generations of this thing.
They're living in Soho here in Soho.
You're in New York, like, listen, your idea of the world.
This is actually part of what drives me crazy, which is like all I'm at, those people they know that they are hated by the cultural elites.
By and large, they have they're very aware of what's going on in San Francisco, New York, whatever.
They're just like, that's not really for me.
But a lot of New Yorkers, San Francisco, like cultural elites, they want the people in Ohio to be like them.
They're like, why are you nasty, you know, people not agreeing with everything that I say?
Why don't you like venerate my job or hold the exact same values as me?
In my experience, I actually think a lot of them are much more live and let live today.
Not necessarily.
Only 20% in New York ever even thinks about a person in all.
They don't even care if their beliefs are.
Which, but they pay attention to them when they vote in the election.
They are like the fucking attention if their vote affects if the Ohio vote affects the New Yorkers.
That's why I get annoyed when you hear these Costa elites be like, oh, the conservatives are voting against their interests.
You don't even know what they're interested in.
You don't know anything.
They've spoken to that.
Yeah.
Dude, there's this comic.
Oh, God, I got to get his fucking name.
He had this hilarious joke about abortion.
Oh, Jeff.
Jeff Asmus, he has a great joke about abortion.
He's great.
He goes, he goes, he goes, abortion is, he goes, it's such a conservative thing when you think about it.
I mean, it's just dead liberals.
He goes, we're not aborting any electricians or factory guys.
It's so funny.
We're aborting theater makers.
Bro, it is funny.
Yeah, he's great.
He's a funny gun, man.
He's a funny one.
He had a joke.
Fuck, I'm going to butcher it, but he basically tells everybody that he doesn't care that Britney Griner was in jail or whatever.
And they're all offended.
He goes, Oh, you guys really care about Britney Griner?
They all start clapping.
He goes, Hey, quick question.
What team does Brittany Griner play for?
Right.
And then no one answers the entire audience.
I got fucked it up, but it's a great bit.
Look it up so you can see it done better than me.
But it's cool to see comedy coming from a conservative angle.
I wouldn't even call that conservative.
I would say that's anti-establishment or anti-like, what would you call it?
Fairy.
Anti-yeah, but that's important, right?
Which is that I love it.
Yeah.
It's a good thing.
I love it.
I think it's great.
I think you need it.
It can't be too, I don't know.
One of my favorite ways of when I found you guys was that viral clip of somebody Comedy Central executives losing their job.
Oh, yeah.
You're like, I don't want to say, I don't want to celebrate anybody losing their job here.
Yeah, dancing on a grave here.
Comedy from a Conservative Angle00:15:14
That was like three years ago or right.
This is funny as hell.
Now they all work at Netflix.
But yeah, that was great.
That was so much fun.
Well, you've always been kind to Netflix execs as well.
Yeah, I love it.
I love everybody.
You know what I mean?
I'm like Kanye.
You said New Yorkers don't think about people in the middle of the country or like conservative states, but I do feel like there's a general feeling of disdain.
And I feel like that's what you're talking about.
That's what I'm talking about.
It's like disgusting.
It's like what Andrew said.
Whenever they said the voting against your interests, it's apathy, maybe?
I feel like it's disdain.
I say I'm from Florida on stage, and people just go, ugh.
Really?
Yeah, like immediately.
Florida is its own unique thing.
The way that Americans feel, Americans, look how fucking arrogant that is.
The way that New Yorkers feel about like flyover states or whatever it is, Nebraska, whatever, is they, it's, it's pure condescension.
Yeah.
It is like, how could you live there?
Like, why don't you do that?
You're from Indiana?
Yeah.
Oh, exactly.
Like, it's a nice place.
But that's the thing.
It's like worse than disdain.
Disdain means that like you actually have a feeling to think about it all.
Yeah, like you're chewing on it.
You're stewing on it.
Like this is just like, why would you?
Why?
Dude.
And it's, but it's really dumb, to be honest.
It's stupid because they've never been over there.
They haven't seen life over there.
And what I think is hilarious is like now these coastal elites love watching Yellowstone and shit like that.
Like they're just finding out like it's nice.
Did you know how nice it is out west?
Hell yeah, I did.
The second they moved.
Have you ever talked to somebody who moved to like Charlotte from New York?
They can't believe everybody's not living over there.
Life is so much better.
It's so easy.
I bet you feel this way.
Like I went to Austin.
Yes.
Somebody was like, hey, bro, I love your show.
He goes, Welcome to Austin.
He's wearing like a pearl necklace.
And I was like, hey, when did you move here?
And he's like, two years ago.
I was like, yeah, I'm born and raised in Texas.
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
I resent Austin.
Welcome back.
Yeah.
What could advise you?
I resent Austin because it's a bunch of coastal elites still looking down on Texas while living in Texas.
It's fun.
It's a fun city now.
It's a good place to be.
I mean, when I'm doing Austin, you cucks.
Look, I mean, it's one of those where I don't know why it's not okay to be coastal.
Like, listen, I like fucking white logos.
I'm not just behaving.
Like, I don't even know.
I don't know Austin.
You're the reason why guns can't be legal.
I don't know Austin.
You are the reason.
I don't know Austin.
No.
When did you start going to Austin?
2009?
When did you start going to Austin?
Were you vacationing there?
Yeah, we were in Austin all the time.
Well, no, it's four or five times as kids.
To do what?
Drink?
No, I went to party.
I went to the party a couple times.
That's why I went.
Yeah.
Everybody, if you're in Texas, it's three hours from Dallas.
Yeah.
So was that you that we took?
I bet you I've been to Austin more than you.
No, you have not.
You said you went four or five times as a kid.
Yeah.
And then since then?
Three times in the past year, I guess.
I think I've been just as many times.
Okay.
Maybe more times to be aware.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Both of them are kind of black enough.
No, but it's like the luckiest debate ever.
You've been more times in the past three years.
I've been to Austin more.
No, me.
Yeah, where would this rank on your debate contest?
Pretty late.
Listen, listen, listen.
Is Austin a fucking first world city?
No.
Does it have some interesting things going on?
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
Which is actually a good transition to Rogan's Club.
Oh, yeah.
What'd you guys think?
It was awesome.
It was awesome, man.
So I was there on Saturday.
I was lucky.
Actually, my dad had an accident and hurt his leg.
So I had to go back to Texas because my mom was in India.
But I was back there.
So I went to go back to help him out just before she could come.
And I was happening to be there.
And I was flying out of Austin.
So I was like, hey, man, I'm flying out on Sunday.
Like, dude, invited me to the club.
Holy shit.
It was awesome.
I've heard it was crazy.
It's great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's.
Well, it's fun for me as an audience.
I mean, you guys get to perform, right?
Yeah.
Like, I actually get to take it in and be the audience.
Man, it was, it was fun.
It's just like the comedy store.
It is.
It is.
Yeah.
It's an amazing thing.
Okay.
First of all, I was like very against Austin being a possible comedy city.
Interesting.
I just didn't think the math worked out.
I was like, there's like 300,000 people.
Now I think there might be like a million people that live in Austin.
It's like blowing up.
But like.
You want to pull that up?
Initially, the population density just wasn't there, in my opinion, for what I thought would be there, right?
And then an interesting thing happened.
Like, oh, wow.
What is it?
2.2 million.
So this is crazy.
Right?
Now, interesting thing happens.
Austin has 2 million people.
It has no professional sports teams.
Yes.
I don't consider the soccer team like a professional sports.
UT is massive.
Well, but it's not professional.
Yes.
It's a college team.
Yes.
That's fine, but not professional.
The only professional sport they have is comedy.
That's good.
Comedy has become the professional sport.
Now, add on the fact that there is already a culture of going out to listen to music.
Yeah, live music.
That is how people party.
That is how people go to the bar, you listen to music.
It is normal for them.
And it's always been that way.
And it's always been that way.
So it's normal for them to just go out and indulge in live entertainment.
You don't have to like train them that that's part of their life.
There are some cities where you have to train them.
There's a reason why the comedy clubs right now in New York, right?
You have the comedy cellar, we have the village lantern where we would perform at.
They're all in the same area.
What else happens in that area?
There's live entertainment.
Right.
And so when people were going for live entertainment, maybe I check out comedy, maybe I check out music, right?
But training the people that it is normal to go to a comedy show takes fucking time.
Yeah.
That's not quick.
Yeah, Miami, I don't know if they have like a live music scene.
Like, let's go out and listen to the music.
But you guys did well in Miami.
I attended that show.
I love it.
It's a little bit different because we're not the average.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
That's kind of the person.
You're starting out at it.
Exactly.
What I would say about Miami is a perfect example.
Like, Miami is...
Latin Americans' version of America in the same way that like Hawaii is Asian's version of America.
So the things that exist and are popular in Latin America are going to succeed in Miami.
Makes sense.
Baseball, yes, we're into it.
Soccer, we're into it.
Yeah, club nights, going out dancing, basketball, keep games are empty.
Yes.
Because basketball is not part of it.
A cultural thing in Latin America, right?
And you'll see the exact same thing happen in Hawaii.
So you have this group of people that like going out.
They like being entertained.
It's like perfect for that, right?
You have these clubs that start to get built up, and then you have the biggest name in media that moves there.
And he's like, I'm going to put everything into this fucking club.
And he makes this great club.
The crazy thing, a lot of people don't even notice about the club.
It's like, Rogan's like, I don't even care if it makes money.
I know.
He's like, I just wanted to break even.
You can't compete with that.
I know.
You can't.
It's like, he goes, I just want it.
I just want it to break even.
Think about that.
He doesn't need it to make money.
Dude, he won't let me say what it is, but he said I could talk kind of about it.
But the way that he's paying comics.
It's bananas.
Bro.
Bananas.
It's like, it's just complete game changer.
Like, I don't know how the other clubs will react because they're in it to make money.
And he's developed a model where it's like, it's like he doesn't want to make it money.
But to be fair, he's like, I'm still going to do the Vulcan.
I'm still going to do like Creek in the Cave.
Which is the sweetest thing of the sports.
Which is very nice.
He does not absolutely.
This is the other thing that's crazy.
If you work at the club, a lot of people that work at the club are comics.
You can check out your shift to go to a spot and then come back.
In another place.
That's wild.
And then come back in.
And the other place can't be mad because Rogan will still perform at your venue.
It's sort of like Robin Hood shit.
He like took money from Spotify and is literally distributing it to comics in an insane way.
So it's like this crazy kind of situation that you haven't even seen before.
And now you have all these other, like down the block, there's the Vulcan.
Another block away, there's the Creek.
There's another comedy club that's coming up a couple blocks.
So in this one space, you can pop around and do five or six spots.
Only New York can you do that.
You can't do that in LA.
Really?
Oh, I gotta say, LA, you're driving.
That's true.
You're driving.
Maybe you make it.
Makes sense.
It's like a trickier thing to do.
You can hit the three clubs, maybe, and then you're making, what, 75 bucks in that night, maybe.
Yeah.
In perspective, I only did the little room when I went and I did like four shows there and I made money on the trip on just doing the little room.
Also, I didn't pay for my flight, so that helps.
But even if I wasn't trying to profit audience, it's very easy to make money.
So that helps.
It's actually not bad, right?
I've been doing this for a while.
People are mentioning that again.
But even though I wasn't paid to perform, I would have been paid for all the fucking trip down there.
What is this about?
Even if I did pay for it, though, I still would have made money.
That's the send my request, right?
But yeah, it was just like, I don't know, he's just doing it.
He's creating a fucking, it's just an insane thing to do.
And the way he described it was so cool.
He was like, people always think, oh, when you're a kid and you make a bunch of money, you're like, oh, what am I going to do with it?
And you have all these crazy ideas.
He literally was like, yeah, I'm just going to do that.
I'm going to do the thing.
I'm going to make a comedy club with all my friends and pay them all so much.
I asked him, I was like, I was like, why have you not been caught up in just the bitter jealousy and rage that so often happens within the entertainment industry?
Like, it's very con like actors fucking hate each other, comedians fucking hate each other.
Like, how the hell are you just so supportive of everybody?
You want everybody to win?
And he was like, martial arts.
Because he's a very competitive dude.
Right.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Like, Rogan's a fucking insanely competitive dude.
But with comedy, he's competitive, but at the same time, he wants everybody to win and everybody succeed.
And he's like, it's martial arts.
It's like, it's a different thing happens when you're like training with your brothers.
You guys are going at it.
You're literally trying to tap each other out while at the same time helping each other get better.
Get better.
Yeah, that makes sense.
And it's like, you can do that with comedy.
And that kind of made sense.
It was the only thing that made sense why he was this way.
You need that instilled in you from another discipline, and you need proof that it works.
Yes.
And you do get better jiu-jitsu when you're training with a guy that's better than you.
And it doesn't take away from that guy's jiu-jitsu.
His doesn't get worse because you get better.
Yes.
He might even get a little bit better.
And when I kind of saw like that, and we explained it like that, I was like, oh, this is fucking awesome.
Both rooms are great.
They're great for different reasons.
That little room is great because it allows you to develop connection.
You can learn how to lock in with an audience.
You're not necessarily just kind of speaking at them.
Oftentimes in big rooms, you can get away with just speaking at them.
You do a theater, you're not connecting, especially if you're a young comic developing in like theaters, like you're not really connecting, right?
There's 3,000 people just laughing at you.
When you have 40 people or 100 people, whatever that room is, you got to look them in the eyes.
You can't fake them.
You can't be a phony in front of a small crowd.
And then the big room reminds me of the store, and you learn how to perform.
So once you learn how to connect in that little room, now you go to the big room and you learn how to perform.
You learn how to fill space.
A lot of times, people, you know, if you only develop in small rooms, you don't know how to handle a room that has a thousand seats.
Like a cacophony of exactly.
It's a different energy.
You don't know the breathing of an audience in a room that size.
You don't know how to build that tension and then like release it.
You know, they're different arts that really rarely you're able to do both in a night.
That is true.
And able to see the difference in both.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
So a young comic that's going to develop there is going to get like a really well-rounded experience performance.
This is the death of LA.
And also, do you have any other cities where this could happen?
Even if there's no Rogan, I have a possible candidate in mind, but not having Rogan could be big.
So death of LA, I don't know.
This is what I think.
I think if you're, once this pay scale is out there in the world, which it will happen.
It will.
Once, if you're a young comic, are you going to come to New York and toil away in obscurity for four years in destitute poverty?
And being in New York, rich is this shit.
Being New York poor, it's not even America.
I've been poor in New York.
I swear so many times I was like, this is not America.
Like I'm sleeping.
There's so many fucking mice running by my face.
Like, this is not the America my parents were promised.
And for that same money, you were living okay, maybe in a part of Texas.
But in Texas, in Austin, it's an expensive city in Texas.
Yes.
You can live a good life.
You can still split house with society.
It's like 30 minutes out of the city.
You know what I mean?
And a car.
You'll have a car out there much easier.
So live in a suburb, live in Phlugerville, drive in.
Who gives a fuck?
Right.
Phlugerville is a place you would know if you were a Texan, but it's like most people who just moved to Austin are Plugerville?
Yeah, I guess.
So you went there?
Yeah.
Yeah, I did.
Yeah.
You drove through it.
Yeah, I drove through it.
You're so much better at Austin.
I'm just a real Texan.
So my gripes are from Texan.
You know what I mean?
No, I know I die.
But the candidate, I think, potentially.
But real quick, just to finish that idea, is like, so do you come here and then compete with the best comics in the world for stage time, which is going to be very difficult.
Or do you go to a new city where the best comics in the world haven't moved there yet and the new ones haven't developed into it yet?
There's stage time and money and seven clubs without the same level of competition.
So if you're a brand new comic, do you go there for four years before you come to New York?
Do you go there for four or five years before you go to LA and try to be in sitcoms or whatever the fuck you want to do?
Do you learn and develop your craft in this place?
To me, I'm like, wow, that is a very intriguing possibility.
But do you think that you got, like for the whole like iron sharpens iron, like do you think it was better off the guys came up and cutthroat New York?
For me, it was like you made it, but I think you guys actually made it, which is crazy.
Yes.
Yeah, like.
Yes, but you have to understand, like, most comics aren't going up against iron early in their life.
They're at open mics.
I was.
Listen, no, but you deadassed.
But for real, and you too.
And we were lucky we had some people, but like one of the most valuable things we had was barking.
And that means handing out tickets in exchange for stage time.
Yeah.
I don't know if that exists to the same level that existed when we were there.
No.
Like I, every, oh, it felt like almost every club allowed you to like bark for stage time.
The beauty of that is you got to go up with iron.
Yes.
You got to follow a Greer Barnes when you were a year in comedy and you got to see what is amazing and what is not even fucking close.
When you're just doing open mics or you're doing like shows that are like, you know, privately booked shows, you're going up with people around your level, right?
And living with rats and destitute pop.
Yes.
So it's so suspect.
So it's like, and like if you're from Indiana, do you come here and just do that for four years?
Or do you go to Austin, develop a little bit of an act, and then when it's ready to go up against some iron, come here.
Or if you get lucky, you're a door guy there and then you're following Tony Hinchcliffe.
Developing an Act in Austin00:15:32
Well, additionally, because Rogan has got the top thing there, it's going to foster, I think, ideally, an environment where everybody helps everybody in that martial arts style he talked about.
That didn't exist in New York.
I think he helped me a lot.
I tried to help as much as I could here.
But like, there was a rare thing.
Like this right here.
Most of comedy is an isolated, you have blinders on, you just get funny.
Austin could potentially be a community where everybody helps everybody and builds everybody.
Rogan will make that happen.
And they are, though.
Bro, like, I saw, I got off stage and like one of the door guys I'd never really met before was like, dude, here's a tag.
Here's something you can maybe try with that joke.
Like it felt very communal.
Yeah.
Because they all identify as mothership guys.
They're like, yo, yeah, we are mothership dudes.
They were all very cool.
I got to meet some of them afterwards.
I was like, damn, man.
And they're all fucking funny.
That's actually the key.
I was like, you guys are just funny.
Bro, like just fun.
Hilarious guys out there, man.
Dude, Derek, man.
Derek's a monster.
I told him before.
I was like, dude, that guy, the episode, the trans episode.
Almost crashing.
But yeah, no, Derek, I mean, like, watching him, he fucking murdered.
He was on this show.
He was so fucking funny.
He still has to.
I won't ruin it.
The TSA bit.
Which he does.
Amazing.
Amazing.
But yeah, it's just like, yeah, seeing a guy like that.
So that's your like up-and-coming class there.
And now those guys, instead of like thugging it out through open mics, not really knowing if the material is going to work for a real audience, now they have sold out shows to go up in front of every single night.
If they're that good now, imagine what happens two years from now, three years from now.
It's like, yeah, and because Joe is not so concerned with making money, he's able to be like, oh, this guy is super talented, but he's not like perfect yet.
But let's put him up in the little room a bunch and really like train him and get him good because he's not so concerned with like, oh, are people going to come back?
Are they going to keep paying tickets to come back to the show?
His name, they'll be buying it for the next three straight years.
And he doesn't care.
By the way, it's funny.
I was like, yeah, I told my friends, I'm like, yeah, they're like, how'd you get tickets?
Where'd you go?
Nobody can go.
No one wants to go in.
I was like, oh, nobody can go.
Can I come?
I'm like, no, not really.
Like, I'm sorry.
And think about it.
It's like every weekend, a new person pops in.
Yes.
Like Tim Dillon's down there right now.
Ready down there with Giannis, right?
We're down there during the week.
Shane's there.
Chappelle's popping in.
It's like every weekend, a new random, massive act is just going to drop in.
That's awesome.
And the appeal of the seller, anybody could drop in.
The appeal of Joe Roger's Club, anybody could drop in.
Financially, it makes sense.
And the hang is awesome.
Like, Joe takes care of everyone.
Like, you go down there and sweet bar, the Mitzies bar.
Yeah, downstairs, everyone's hanging.
It just feels cool.
New York and LA scenes are completely different.
You don't need it like you used to.
But what, but yeah, but what Rogan, what Rogan has done, and I hope it happens in other industries, but it really just takes somebody willing to do it.
And the reality is, in competitive industries like comedy, like news, like anything, you're fighting for what you believe are scraps.
So you don't think there's more to go around.
Right.
And that's why there never is anybody who does it.
And then the person who's willing to do it, he is novel.
And that is why we talk about him in this way so often in the show.
It's just like it is fucking unique.
I wish people knew like what the real comedy world was.
It's a lot of like, you're dapping somebody up, you're talking to them, they're talking trash about their best friend right to you.
Yeah.
You're like, I know you guys are friends.
Why would you talk about him like that?
What are you going to say?
The George Lopez clip didn't surprise most people.
Probably you even.
Most people.
Definitely.
If you're a comic guy, you're like, yeah, nothing was.
You know, it's, I mean, I'm not sure.
It's just rare that you see somebody like organize like this and then reward the people that are working hard, the people are good, and also continuing that culture.
Like, if there's a selfish motherfucker who's just out there for, you know, what they can get out of it and like squashing everybody else, please believe that person is not rewarded.
You know what I mean?
Like, they're not going to get on.
They're not going to get promoted.
You guys aren't going to have them on.
It's not going to be really fun.
That's actually what I take a lot of inspiration.
I look to you guys because news is still in that category.
Like, I was in, it's funny because I was in this similar situation.
Like, I was White House correspondent.
I was in the press briefing room.
I had two options.
I was like, I could stay.
Classic job.
I was made man, like going on Fox News, doing my hits.
I was like in the system, invited to all the parties, blah, blah.
But I was like, I fucking hate this.
And I grew up with Rogan.
And then that was what I took inspiration.
Like, and then I met Crystal and it actually clicked.
And I was like, hey, like, we could do something different.
Dude, how many people told me not to take the job?
How many people told me not to start the show?
Yeah.
Because you're a fucking idiot.
What are you doing?
Yeah.
You're not going to go on Fox anymore.
You're going to give up all this.
Like, how can now they're like, hey, can I come on the show?
Oh, that's interesting.
What's the podcast ranked at?
Can I come?
I just wrote a book.
My assistant.
I'm like, I don't care, dude.
It's not like that anymore.
It's just like you said.
It was cable by definition.
If you're on CNN, you're not on MSNBC.
If you're on MSNBC, if you're not.
But with us, we're like, oh, you're on rival, whatever.
Come on.
It is.
Let's promote those.
Let's get it going.
And then more people will watch us.
And I always say, I say, subscribe to their sub stack.
People are like, why are you doing that?
Because you want to promote your own thing.
I'm like, no, dude.
Put them on.
People want us to promote better people.
Bro, you know what it is?
Have you ever gone over to Little India in New York on like 6th Street?
There's two.
That's right.
There's Curry Hill.
There's Curry Hill and then there's the one on 6th Street.
There's Spice Park Rose.
But there's both.
Spice Rose.
Spice Hill is 6th Street, but there's also Curry Hill, right?
Perfect example.
It's like you would think that by having multiple Indian restaurants on the same street, they would hurt each other.
No, the opposite.
It makes people go, that's the place for Indian food.
I want to try all of them.
I want to make sure this food is good.
Exactly.
And if the places are cool with one another, they get to exchange information.
They're like, yo, these white people do not fuck with Dahl.
Get the pootie bread out of it.
They definitely.
Whatever.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, dolls and shit.
Whatever.
So it's like, I don't know.
For me, seeing it from that perspective.
That's a smart point.
I like that.
Which is like, this is the district.
This is the ecosystem.
And I think it's fun.
I mean, look, I wish we could still change it.
I think there's a lot more to do.
In a lot of ways, news is like the most lagging part.
Like, you know, comedy, internet came for comedy when, like, 15 years ago?
Like, it's just now happening in news.
Yeah.
Like, the Joe Rogan podcast came out in 2009.
Yeah.
News is just now starting.
It's one of those where, like, we're so far behind the times, but I do think it's a good thing because they are so propped up and like, hey, man, it's like you said, all the coasts.
Who's doing what you guys are doing that are like young and hungry and you would like to promote them?
Who else should do?
I mean, like, Crystal's fiancé, Kyle, Kyle Kalinsky, he's actually one of the OGs that was on there.
I know connects you with him.
I mean, a lot of them, there's what Russell Brand is doing stuff like this now.
Glenn Greenwald actually has a new show.
Yeah.
On Susan, Matt Taibbi is doing it for print journalism.
All of these guys are David Sirota actually got lever news on the right.
I mean, or even, I mean, Tim Poole is, I mean, look, undeniable, his show is massive.
Like, this is my thing.
Like, put the value judgment aside.
I want more people to watch things like that because we have time.
Like, you and I are sitting here talking about the single male crisis.
Like, we're fucking around, making jokes, like, all that stuff.
But this is serious shit.
Like, there's actually, this is not something that when I would go on Fox, one time they were like, hey, we're going to talk about American nationalism.
You have three minutes and there's three people on the panel.
You get your one time.
What am I supposed to say?
Like, you can't do anything new on it.
And also, you talk like a fake partner.
You're like, yeah, that's right.
And one of the reasons why is because of this one particular statistic.
And I'll see you later.
What am I doing here?
And I hated that.
But everybody is so comfortable with that system that they, they like it, right?
Because that's where the paychecks come from.
They're so used to talking shit, going to the same restaurants, going to the same parties.
And I was like, hey, this is all bullshit.
Golden handcuffs, man.
You know, it's funny.
I remember in the press briefing room, one of the funniest things is, is that every TV correspondent asks the same question.
You know why?
Because they all need videotape of them on their own network asking that question.
So during the Trump, okay, so there's CNN, Fox, MSNBC, ABC, all of them.
Every single one of them asks same version of the same question in the press briefing room at the conference.
Even though it's already been answered.
Even though it's already been answered.
You know why?
Because they need video of them on their network.
What does the president do when he gets asked the same question?
He loves it because he gets to answer.
Also, they get pretty picked by the answer to the same question.
He's like, I've been 30 minutes with the press.
What are you talking about?
I'm free and transparent and open.
So he'll say the exact same thing over and over again.
Is that what we debate him or is it his answer?
Slight tweak.
But it's like, come on, man.
It's like during the, like, when Sarah Sanders, that was the time that I was there.
She would be like, all right, first question, Mueller.
Second question, Mueller.
Third question, Mueller.
And it's because Jim Acosta has to be on CNN sparring with Sarah Sanders.
And then Peter Alexander at NBC, he needs to be on NBC sparring with Sarah Sanders.
And then ABC needs to sparring.
So it's the same shit.
And I was like, hey, what about the other stuff that people care about?
No.
What's going on with Trump?
The government?
Are we going to war?
I remember everybody in the press ridiculed me for saying, do you think Kim Jong-un is serious about peace talks?
They're like, why didn't you ask about Mueller?
They fucking had one of the most important major press, like foreign policy moves of all time whenever Trump met with Kim Jong-un.
And we all recognize that as such.
But at that time, I don't even remember what the fuck was going on.
Some Jeff Sessions bullshit or whatever.
And they were like, they were like, whoa, you didn't ask about Jeff Sessions?
I was like, I don't know.
I just think nuclear war is more important.
What was like that?
If there was one, maybe you already just touched on it.
What was the most disappointing thing peeking behind the curtain?
That, yeah, that which was, I mean, look, man, I always love politics.
I was a political kid, you know, in school.
Like, Iraq war is why I got into it.
And I get to the press corps, top of the most cutthroat of the cutthroat motherfuckers make it into the press briefing room.
And I was like, this is it, though.
Yeah.
I was like, this, they stopped being cutthroat.
I worked this hard to get here.
I was like, and that, oh, and wait, so you know, one of the best pieces of advice I got was if you want to be like the way that you know you're in a good career is look at the guy who's 10 years ahead of you.
And I'm looking at these 65-year-old motherfuckers doing the same shit.
And I was like, oh my God, I was like, I got to get out of here.
I'm in a prison.
I have a question for you.
Now that you control completely what stories you talk about, whatever you do, whatever you're interested in.
Well, me and Crystal, but yes.
Yes.
You guys are in control.
There's no one you're necessarily answering to or serving.
Do you at all, do you concern yourself with the erosion of patriotism based on the way that you're talking about America?
For example, are you like, okay, I'm going to shit on these three things or five things because they deserve to be shit on.
But are you also going, the collateral damage of that is an erosion of trust in these institutions without couching it with some great things that America's doing?
So, I mean, I maybe to a certain extent, for example, the TikTok thing that we were talking about on the show.
I actually had a debate with Crystal this morning about TikTok.
She's on the other side.
I'm for banning it.
And one of the points that I'll make is I'll be like, look, at the end of the day, U.S. companies are subject to U.S. law, right?
Which is the Apple literally told the FBI to fuck off when they said unlock San Bernardino terrorist phone.
They're like, no, we're not going to do it.
And they went all the way to court and they won.
TikTok quite literally can't do that to the CCP.
So to believe that U.S. companies are the same as Chinese, it's like, well, then you're saying we live in China.
And if we live in China, then what's the fucking point?
That said, at the end of the day, we also don't have that responsibility.
So sometimes people will be like, hey, you have a responsibility to talk this way about this thing.
I'm like, no, actually, it's the politician's job to make that case.
So sometimes, okay, like if I'll say, like, Iraq is a good example.
I'll talk about all the mistakes the U.S. Army has made in Iraq and what we did in Iraq and how Iraq just, in my opinion, just destroyed us.
I think like rooted us out from the inside.
It was the biggest mistake in modern American history, foreign policy-wise, all this stuff.
And people will be like, hey, like, you should be more respectful because people fought and died in Iraq.
And I was like, yeah, but here's the thing.
Like, you can't use that as a crutch for not talking about it.
And I think too often people will kind of hide behind that.
You're sowing distrust for sometimes.
I'll be like, listen, you know, to be honest, like, for example, one time I was like, yeah, I just didn't vote.
And someone was like, you shouldn't say that.
You know, you're encouraging people not to vote.
And I'm like, yeah, but it was a choice.
Like, I actively was like, I just don't want to vote.
You know what I'm saying?
Right.
They're like, but you're supposed to encourage people.
I understand that.
I'm like, yeah, but it's on, it's a choice.
Like, it's a democracy.
Not voting is a choice.
Like, I actively was like, I don't give a shit.
It was like 2012.
Yeah.
It's like Obama versus Roman.
I was like, yeah, I was like, I just, I'm not in this.
No, you have every right to do it.
And I'm not saying that it's your responsibility, but like, I know that you're someone who believes in America and like loves America.
So it's like, how else can we?
I guess what I'm saying is my buddy Ben Uyeda, our buddy Ben Uyeda, is a brilliant guy.
I think you've met Ben maybe at like LA.
I say I follow on Instagram because of you guys.
And we're just talking about like why we're proud to be American.
And he had a really interesting take.
And he was just like, you can access the best version of yourself here.
True, absolutely.
And like, my mom could only be herself here.
I can only be myself at this level here.
Of course.
You can be yourself at this level.
We can all do these things here, right?
Like, if you grew up in maybe Poland, it'd be harder to build this podcasting studio out, right?
Maybe there'd be absolutely no opportunity for it, right?
So it's like, and I wonder if it's so enticing to read stories and watch stories about how the establishment is fucking us up.
It's almost like trendy for us to be anti-establishment.
Yes, right?
And why would we not look into it?
Why would we not watch a story about how our government is corrupt?
Why would we not click on that?
Why would we not, like, again, we're tapping into that fear model?
It's like, what are you talking about?
Like, these bankers knew it.
I have to learn more about this.
They're just making all this money, et cetera.
When I guess it'd be really cool if we find a way, and maybe it's our own personal responsibility, to remind ourselves of the great things that this country offers.
So, one of the things I do on my show, one of the books behind me, is called Freedom from Fear.
It's one of my favorite books.
And it's specifically about how FDR got us out of the Great Depression, where we're literally on the precipice of genuine social revolution in this country by using the tools of the government.
So you're right.
I mean, look, whenever there is Chris and I do the same thing.
Like, well, like the CHIPS Act, for example.
That's something we both were so supportive of.
What CHIPS Act?
The CHIPS Act is funding from the Congress hundreds of billions of dollars towards building semiconductor facilities here in the U.S.
So like Intel's facility, I think in Ohio, there's going to be a new TSM, Taiwan semiconductor facility in Arizona.
Austin, Samsung is building.
These are like, this is something we actually need.
Like it was genuinely hurting the economy.
And we're like, hey, listen, no fan of Biden.
He's done a lot of stupid shit.
This is good.
This is good stuff.
I mean, I know a lot of conservative people hate the Inflation Reduction Act, but I'm very pro nuclear power.
One of the good things in that is we had technology neutral tax credits.
So this is, again, something you're not going to hear about.
You know, a lot of right-wingers who will attack it.
And I'm like, listen, Democrats are in power.
They're going to do Democrat shit.
The best thing you can hope for is they don't keep funding failed wind and solar power when nuclear is obviously also we got that.
That's a good thing.
That's a good thing.
So you're right.
Look, anytime the government does something that I'm like, Biden on Afghanistan, I defended the shit out of it.
Actually, it cost me a lot of social capital.
Yeah.
I was like, hey, nobody ever said ending a war was fucking easy.
Like, it's better than nothing to me.
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Be like, you know, look at Vietnam.
Same shit happened.
Yeah.
Not saying, you know, like, show me a war that was ended easily that you pulled out of that.
Yes.
Nobody ever ended it gracefully.
Yeah.
And I was like, yeah, I defended Biden on that.
I mean, it's one of those where, and that's a good example, though.
But I think it's great.
Yeah, that's the thing.
It's like you're willing to pay the price for it.
And I think that's, yeah, I think that's great.
One, because it makes me like trust you more.
You're not just feeding into like my concerns.
But also, it's like, I don't know.
It's nice to know that we're doing some good shit too.
Of course.
And we need to be informed about that.
I guess I wonder, like, you know, you used to do it with cinema so easily.
And I think Maverick was almost like a little bit of a reminder, right?
You watch Maverick and you're like, yo, we are kind of this shit.
Yes.
You know what I mean?
And like, we need to remind.
Now, it's stupid that we have to use a fictitious story to reinstill that patriotism.
It'd be really great if we could like focus on, I don't know.
Bro, did you see the speech of the, this is a 2019, it was a Sergeant something when he got his Medal of Honor and he gives this crazy speech where he's like talking about America's military forces.
Oh, it's great.
It's been like me and this stuff.
Have you seen this?
No, I haven't seen it all before.
It's insane.
It's almost worth pulling up.
But he basically is like, if you, I mean, maybe we watch one.
You guys keep going.
I'll pull it out.
I do think you're right.
There's a lot of disaster porn on the left and the right.
And that's actually why that patriotism number is so low.
But I think that you're right.
I don't see a responsibility.
Just to clarify, like we should call out the disasters.
We should call out the government.
We should call out these institutions every single time.
I just wish that there was like another thing that supplemented our patriotism because for Americans that don't have the opportunity to go travel the world, they don't know what they have.
Dude, I know.
Like there's a reason why the people that immigrate here love it so much, right?
Because they've seen what's out there.
Yeah.
I mean, I lived in the Middle East for two years.
I went to high school in Qatar my last two years.
I'm like, listen, people, you don't want this.
You have no idea.
Do you know what it's like not to be able to touch your girlfriend in public?
Like, you want that?
I'm like, you want to live that way?
Because it's real.
They're actual kings in 2023 and they behead people in the streets.
It's like, you don't even know.
Did you ever watch one of those beheads?
That wasn't Saudi, but I'm saying, like, you know, in Qatar.
I mean, the whole migrant labor thing.
I mean, literally while I was crazy.
I'll never forget this, right?
So I'm Indian American, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
So what happens there?
The guy goes, hey, what are you doing?
I'm in a public area, bazaar.
And he's like, hey, what are you doing here?
And I said, excuse me?
And he goes, oh, American?
I was like, yeah.
He goes, you're good.
So what he meant by that was, if you're a migrant, get off the fucking street.
Because he gets off the street.
He assumed because he was a migrant.
Yeah, they thought I was a laborer guy.
Oh.
And he goes, hey.
And I was like, what?
I was like, what are you talking about?
You know, my American accent.
He goes, oh, American?
Go ahead.
I was like, whoa.
That was crazy.
Yeah, Indians built a lot of the World Cup stadiums and all that.
It's a lot of migrant labor from this why my parents left because the Indian laborers would come to my parents.
My parents are also American citizens and they would talk to them in Hindi and be like, they stole my passport.
I don't have any money.
They're like, I can't, they're beating me.
I'm living in a room with 10 people.
Dude, I went to one of those places, man, to one of these like migrant camps to buy cigarettes.
Sorry, mom.
Because these guys would sell cigarettes and liquor when you're like fucking 14 and just get cashed.
Yeah.
Anyway, so I go into one of these, dude.
There's 12 guys sleeping literally on the floor.
No air conditioning.
It's 115 degrees.
It's like, they have no passports.
Every one of them, one of them is like, has an open gash on his arm, like this big.
He literally the guy who sells cigarettes to American teenagers because that's how he makes his money.
And it's like modern slavery.
I remember unfucking believable.
I remember my first trip to India.
I didn't go till I was 15.
My parents fucked up.
But seeing like the slums, I remember that.
And I don't know if I realized it in that moment, but I always thought about that.
And when we complain about these things in America, it's like you have not seen innocent people.
You ever been in Mumbai on the beach in the morning?
Do you know what happens there?
They all go take a shit in the ocean.
I'm not kidding there.
Like you look out the window in Mumbai, the entire beach is just full of people from the slums shitting in the ocean.
And then two hours later, there are people playing kids playing in the ocean.
And I'm like, get out of the ocean.
I'm like, this needs to stop.
It does sound like a nice place to shit, though, right?
Like, it's probably beautiful.
It's just like open.
And you're like, you haven't seen Juno Beach.
It ain't your eyes on the beach.
Calling it an ocean is very genuine.
Yeah, exactly.
This was like 10 years ago.
Like, I literally saw this with my own eyes as Akash is saying, like, you see that level of poverty.
I've been to Cambodia.
You see people literally walking around.
Like, I took a bus to Phnom CM Reap, where the Angkor Wat is.
And the tour guide is like, do not step off this road.
He's like, this road is the only thing clear of landmines.
There's landmines there and there's landmines there.
So he's like, if you need to piss, piss right here on the road.
And I was like a teenager.
I'm like, oh, shit.
What the landmines are.
Dude, during the Khaimar Rouge Civil War.
And then it's like, you go to the killing fields and the guy's like, hey, you guys see all that white stuff in the ground?
We're like, yeah, what is it?
And we're like, he's like, touch it.
Human teeth.
Little human teeth scattered all over the ground.
That's where you got yours?
You should Google the skull tower of the killing fields.
It's one of the most fucked up things.
Anyway, again, these are all things that people who live in America should know.
What's actually like out in the rest of the world?
Yeah, when I talk about American privilege, that's what I mean.
Not this necessarily, but it's real shit.
This is literally just a tower of human skulls in the middle of the killing fields.
And they even show you a tree.
They're like, you see this tree?
This is where we used to smash the heads of babies so that we didn't waste bullets.
God.
It's unbelievable.
Oh, shit.
Damn.
Do they have remorse for this at all?
I mean, it's one of the, they're like, it happened, you know?
I mean, it's not the same regime.
They're just like, yeah, it was crazy that it happened.
And this is like 1975.
Like there are people alive who participated in this who are still alive.
And you're like, whoa.
Just a normal dude walking around fucking selling mangoes or something.
It's like, bro.
And you're like, wait, so you were a child soldier and you used to kill babies and you hopped up on meth.
And it's like, what?
Like, and a lot of them are missing legs.
Like, walk.
I'm not trying to paint a bad picture.
What I'm saying, again, is like how grateful I am to be here.
And that's another point with the disaster stuff.
Like the way that people talk about our history and all that.
One of the things I think the coolest thing about America is, is a guy like me, a guy like Akash, can be raised here and can resonate with the story of people we have nothing in common with.
Like when I read the letters of a private who fought in the American Civil War, who's like, I'm proud to lay my, you know, like the glory movie, right?
Like Massachusetts, the colonel who's happy to be killed with his black soldiers.
I'm like, I can say I'm like emotional, like thinking like, I like this guy fought, died so that we could come to this country.
And like, that's a story that people in other countries don't have that.
They're just like, I'm Polish.
Yeah.
You know, it's like, I am French.
And like, that's not a nat.
And they tried to do a national idea.
None of this is to say there's not inequality.
Of course.
You know, black people are treated as well as they could be.
It's all equal.
But like overall, we have just seen shit that's like, yo, this is hopelessness.
And this is, you've seen stuff that I haven't seen, which is like, this is fucked.
And there's a level of PTSD in every single citizen in this country that none of us could ever understand.
And you don't, you don't think Polish have a national identity?
No, but I'm saying you can't move to Poland in one generation and be like, I'm Polish.
I connect with the 18 whatever revolution against Russia.
Like that's all you picked up.
It's cool that they're.
No, no, no.
Look, I think Polish national identity is interesting.
You know, if you go to the Warsaw ghetto or whatever, but I'm saying like, you can't, America is one of the only places where you can move to, connect to a national story.
Again, you have nothing in common with.
And be like, no, this is my history.
Like, this is, this is like, this is something like I want to care.
Like, I was here in New York and I went and bought some Civil War memorabilia from an antique bookstore.
Which side?
What do you think?
General Philip Sheridan, one of my favorite generals, Union general.
And he was a cavalry commander.
And again, one of the interesting things that you look is like, why is an Indian guy doing this?
Like, why?
And it's like, well, to me, college.
Where A ⁇ M is, where A ⁇ M is.
But actually, they're more pro-Confederate.
But the point is, is that that's a national identity, a story.
I think you can read about our history.
You can connect to it, even though, once again, like you don't share any blood with that person.
But that's the best part of it.
Generations of people do.
Like, I love reading the way that Irish Americans would connect, or even like Scottish Americans would connect with the founding fathers.
The founding fathers probably would have disdained them for being like dirty, poor immigrants or whatever.
But they were able to take away what they needed to to build something new.
You're bringing up something that I think that we all relate to and think is beautiful.
There is a great romance to many of the stories that happen in the creation of America and great sacrifice.
And I'm sure you've heard about like the criticisms a lot of Italians even have about Italy now, that it's a country living in the past, right?
And they don't feel like they're creating things and making things.
They feel like they're like a museum that people come look at.
That's definitely.
And I think that there's a great, and this is coming from Italians.
There's Italians like, I want to continue innovating.
I don't want to show people the car that existed in 1923 or the same theater we built.
It was 900 years ago.
Exactly.
Because Italians have created so much art throughout the years.
Let them continue doing that, right?
That's essentially what they're saying.
And I guess I don't want America.
I don't want our romance and the poetry of this country to stop with the Civil War.
You know what I mean?
I want it to continue now.
I want to hear about these things.
I want to be inspired by these stories now.
And I think that's really important for national identity.
Of course.
My fucking heart when this lady in the Pilates didn't feel comfortable wearing an American flag shirt.
Like, I want you to wear that shoe with pride because I want you to think about that colonel that laid his life on the line.
Robert Shaw, I think was his name.
Like, that's what I want.
Like, I want that flag to represent that.
So, I don't know.
Maybe it's a problem we can't solve in one day, but it's actually goes to, again, this is like a cultural elite problem where they literally don't know any of this history.
And they have taken like the disaster version of history and are basically trying to teach it.
This was my big critique of like the 1619 project, if you guys are familiar with that.
So, this was a big controversy, like 2019.
1619 is the year that the first slaves ever set foot on the American continent and were brought over.
It was a New York Times project where they were like, this was the real founding of America.
And I think this is, look, I get it.
Like, it's not something that it's something that we should teach.
It's something that we should talk about.
But you're also erasing 1776.
But then you're erasing 1861.
And you're erasing people like Colonel Shaw.
And like, they're like, no, the Civil War.
They're basically embracing a Southern lost cause ideology by being like, no, it was about Northern industrialists who wanted to take over the South.
I'm like, no, it was actually about preventing a slave empire, which is what you wanted at the time.
You clearly wrote.
Yes.
I mean, actually.
There's a great book, Battle Cry of Freedom, one volume, The Entire American Civil War.
Everybody should read that.
It was written in like 1988's Oxford History of the United States.
This book is, it's like captures all of this.
The story, the history, the background, how it got there.
And you read that, and man, gosh, I bet you feel the same way.
Like when you think about those idiot lost cause people that I grew up with in Texas, we were like, no, it was a war, the war of northern aggression.
It was literally just about slavery.
Like they would tell us it was about railroads.
It's just like, no, it's like states rights.
Yeah, states' rights.
That's right.
He's right.
States' rights to slavery.
That's it.
But actually.
States' rights to what?
Yeah.
It's not really important.
The craziest part is it wasn't even about states' rights to own slaves.
They were upset that they couldn't take their slaves in the expanding United States and that they couldn't continue to import slaves from Africa.
Well, the importation had stopped already.
Well, yes, but they argued vehemently against that.
And actually, they were trying to instigate coups in Nicaragua and in Brazil to start a new slave trade from Africans to Brazil to Nicaragua and then import them from this was like literally an empire of slavery.
That's what they wanted.
Yeah, yeah.
My understanding is that as America was getting carved out and the states were getting carved out, they realized that they were going to lose the race.
Because, no, but for real, like you were just throwing people out to these new territories and then it's either going to go blue or it's going to go red, depending on who goes out there.
People, states were just sending people out, like trying to get as many blues and many reds as possible.
But if you can't keep importing slaves, you know you're eventually going to run it.
And I think when they realize, oh shit, we're going to lose this democratically, it's time to see.
That was the entire project of secession.
But you know what's interesting though?
Those pussies didn't want smoke.
Why didn't they try to conquer the North?
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Right?
That's how you did it.
That's how you know the South is pussy.
That's not true.
They tried.
When did they try?
They tried Gettysburg.
No, Loberty Lee.
They seceded first.
Yes, right?
They were like, well, we'll just go do our slavery over here.
It's like, come fight about it then.
Well, they tried.
They lost.
So it worked out.
Because we wanted to fight.
We're like, where are you going, bitch?
Yeah.
What are you calling a little boy?
You know what I mean?
We have to little boy them.
You know what I mean?
It worked.
It really did.
I love the Sherman statue.
This is how much we don't fear the South.
We let them have guns still.
Yeah.
We're like, you ain't going to ever do shit.
Hey, we got a thousand genders.
Why don't you do something?
Fucking pussies.
Yeah, I don't think you want it with the South now.
Do something.
Did you grow up with just annoying Texas?
They stormed the capital.
And what happened?
They got chased out by AOC.
That's right.
You know what I mean?
Nothing.
The feds were definitely there.
Yeah.
Yeah, what is the whole beef with the Storm the Capitol thing?
Like, why is this even an issue?
I wouldn't say it's a beef.
I would just say we should recognize that there were obviously agent provocateurs who were involved in the storm.
Not saying they caused it, but they definitely helped instigate some of the violence.
That's almost 100%.
That's basically verified.
So an agent provocateur for anybody watching at home.
This is not sure.
An agent provocateur is someone who is working with the government.
An agent of the state or at least of authority who is trying to take a volatile situation and turn it worse.
For example.
Make it more violent.
Let's say it's a Black Lives Matter protest.
That's right.
They're walking down the street.
There might be an undercover FBI agent who takes a brick, throws it through a glass window.
Let's say that it's Minnesota and a guy has a mask on and there's an umbrella that he happens to be holding and that he happens to crack open a window, which then leads to the looting of Target, which leads to the burning down of a police station.
And then nobody knows who this umbrella man is.
And then it turns out that he might be a white nationalist and he might be connected actually in some way to the state.
But hey, this is all speculation.
It's not like that would never happen.
So you're saying that that happened at January 6th?
Yeah.
And in Black Lives Matter.
And probably at every anti-establishment protest that's like ever.
And what is the advantage of that, that you get to squash the protests because it's turned violent?
Well, now, why does the state want that?
Yes, because not only do they squash the protests, the Capitol Police, despite the fact that they fucked up, got over a billion dollars in new funding.
Not that many people were fired.
They were hailed as heroes.
The National Guard spent billions of dollars, basically, I was in D.C. at this time.
It was the green zone from Baghdad.
There were literal National Guard humvees all up and down the streets.
The Capitol is fenced off.
This is the people's building.
It's supposed to be.
One of the hallmarks of it was almost anybody would be able to walk in there as long as you're just getting wanded.
Now it's like full-blown, like suicide bomber level security all over.
We shouldn't forget either that in January 2021, there were a lot of Democratic calls for beefing up like a new Patriot Act like 2.0, complete expansion of the surveillance state.
They were going after, my favorite was the New York Times, if you want to find this, where they talked about how we need to crack, it's like New York Times encryption January 6th.
Basically, they were writing about why they need to go after signal, like encrypted messages, because people who had used, let's find it.
Yeah.
If you just want to look like, yeah, New York Times encryption, January 6th, I believe it was written by Kevin Roos.
And it's about, it's basically about how signal is an app that's signal the app, the encrypted message app.
They're like, why do we shouldn't have encryption?
And it's the reason the reason case they were making was, well, it was used by people on January 6th.
I'm like, yeah, but people have encrypted messages for all kinds of things.
I mean, the Twitter files is obviously a good example of this too.
The point being that it opened up room in the elite conversation for expanding the national security surveillance state in a way that we haven't seen in literally since the Iraq war.
The BLM riots were actually a good example too.
We had someone on our show specifically about an informant and agent provocateur who was inside, I believe, of the Portland BLM riots, who directly was instigating like actual violence.
And all of this has come out in court documents that have been...
And part of the reason why I also think I kind of have to make a culprit myself is I covered a lot of this stuff whenever it was on terrorism.
So I remember I would, my early career was all writing about ISIS and terrorism.
And I remember reading some of these court documents and it'd be like, the FBI made contact with this man, 18-year-old, after he tweeted Allahu Akbar.
And they were like, hey, man, how's it going?
You want to go to Syria?
And he was like, yeah, I want to go to Syria.
And he goes, you should steal your money and buy a ticket on your mom's credit card to Syria.
And I'll meet you at the airport.
And he's like, okay, sure.
And then the moment that you show up at the airport, they have you on a material support for terrorism charge and you're going to jail for like 20 years.
Well, that's a great point.
That's exactly, that's the point.
But at the time, we were like, well, it's right on the edge, but he's an ISIS.
But if it's that effective, shouldn't we entrap more of them?
Well, okay, that's the FBI's argument, right?
But civil rights.
This man is born in Ohio.
He's an American citizen.
Did he get entrapped?
Because if he did, that's actually illegal.
Is he in jail?
Yeah, see, there we go.
No, but that's the point.
Is whenever it was Muslims, most of us were willing to look the other way and be like, oh, the FBI's like, their argument was, well, this is the way that we prevent any would-be suicide bombers.
And you're like, yeah, but that's a real slippery slip.
This is what we should do.
You know how, like, like sluts release their DMs with famous people?
Uh-huh.
You know, like, oh, fucking LeBron, DM me.
And they post it.
That's what the FBI should do with these people who are willing to go to Syria.
Right.
Like, don't arrest them, but just because these people are idiots.
Yo, Akbar is wild.
Everybody be careful of Akbar.
He was willing to go to Syria.
Who knows what this must be going to be?
And then you just let the community take care of it.
And then the shame thing works.
That would be more jobs.
FBI, get on that ass.
But think about, like, do you guys know about the Gretchen British people?
They want to go to Syria.
Who can?
That's a predator.
Dude, that's the same thing.
Somebody doesn't like this.
They'll be like, hey, you should shoot up the police station and you should go buy a gun.
And then I'll come and meet you.
The moment you buy the gun, boom, they got you on weapons charged.
They got you on your messages.
You plead guilty.
You're going to jail for like a decade.
Wow.
If you want to look up the Gretchen Whitmer case, the number of feds.
This is a perfect example.
I mean, there are more feds involved in the case than actual defendants.
I heard about this.
This is an FBI kidnapping plot, which would never have happened if they weren't like, hey, we should kidnap the guy.
Yeah, they're like, you should kidnap the governor.
He's like, no, I don't want to.
Like, yeah, but you should meet this guy and he'll help you with it.
And you're like, no, but I don't really want to.
Like, no, but you really should do it.
You know, they talk to the other guy.
You're like, hey, you should meet this guy.
He wants to kidnap the governor.
He's like, but I don't really want to.
And then they meet and it all comes out.
And you're like, there are more feds involved in this than the rogue FBI informant.
That's the other part.
A lot of these guys are just lawless, like the way that they act.
Oh, my other favorite one, Mark, if you want to find is about the number of crimes that FBI confidential informants have been allowed to commit.
It's like thousands of known crimes, as in like people who are confidential informants.
Yeah, there it is.
Allowed informants to commit 5,000 crimes according to the FBI's own internal data.
So they're like, you sign up as a confidential informant.
You're like, I'm so-and-so.
For example, I'll roll up on a drug dealer.
This is like the classic example, but we'll continue to let you sell some like side weed.
But they knowingly in their own files have allowed over 5,000 crimes to be committed.
This is the what's the guy, the famous gangster from Boston?
Oh, Bolger.
Yes, Bulger.
He was exactly the whole time.
He was an informant the whole time, so he was able to push.
But I bet that they do that with a lot of people.
And to a certain extent, I wonder if it's more valuable.
It's like, okay, but again, intention to buy weed or something.
But they should have to answer for that, is what I'm saying.
Is that there's no accountability on this.
They don't go before Congress and like, these are the number of crimes that we've been allowed to do.
These are what the crimes were.
You know what I really enjoyed was that episode you guys did with Johnny Mitchell, the drug guy, assassinated guy.
And he had a point about El Mayo, like the cartel boss.
They're like, yeah, he is the guy because clearly he's in on it with the DEA.
And he's like, he's never been arrested before.
Nobody knows where he is.
It's like, no, we just let him exist.
He's the kingpin because at least we can talk.
And every once in a while, he's like, yeah, the Tijuana cartel is over there.
Like, oh, those guys who are chainsawing people's heads off.
Yeah, they're right.
They're right.
And it's all just like, yeah, but he's also a criminal in his own right.
He just wants quality control where it's like, they have to go and say, okay, well, we allowed this guy to do this.
Exactly.
Sell X amount of drugs, but he got this many people.
But he got this guy arrested who sold.
But they have to make this case to people, and they don't.
My point is, is that they have been effectively, they were given the greatest gift of all time after 9-11.
They were given carte blanche, more money, and effective legal immunity on breaking what previously would have been the law.
It's been over 20 years.
They have less approval than in, I think, modern American history for federal law enforcement since like the church committee of the 1970s.
And there's no like serious effort to rein it in.
And why not?
Like, there should be.
We can agree that BLM and Jan 6 were both obviously infiltrated.
We just never hear about their victories.
That's the thing.
We never hear about the awarded attacks.
That's what they say.
But there's no proof.
Like what?
Like letting Larry Nasser molest 236 people.
They knew the whole time.
I mean, they were tipped off.
Faculty administration.
How many?
I need to.
I don't know the exact.
They got multiple complaints.
They didn't do shit about it.
He molested, I think, at least 100 girls or something like that in the time period when he was first reported as to when the F.
And by the way, in that case, too, the FBI agent was actively, who was actively trying to get a job at USA Gymnastics while he was supposed to be investigating the case.
Wow.
So there's no way that he's going to be objective.
Of course, he's trying to get hired by the people who's fucking investigating.
Holy shit.
Look at this.
Yes.
Not going to face charges.
That's the other thing.
He didn't even, he didn't even, he was never held to account.
There are so many little girls who were molested because of this man.
Yeah.
That can go on forever.
Like, there's like, yeah, the 5,000 crimes thing, which I love.
Wadi Boulder is a great example as well.
I think FBI and Jan 6, but I mean, even the Trump stuff.
I mean, some of the things that came out for FISA, for example, you're like, this is all you need to just get a warrant on an American.
Can you explain this whole Trump thing right here?
Well, what?
This part?
No, where we currently are?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right.
So, oh, man.
2005, I want to say.
Oh, we're going back.
Well, that's when it starts.
So Donald Trump, he's the apprentice guy, newly married to Melania.
I believe he's in Aspen.
He meets up with a woman named Stormy Daniels.
Seeing her.
Torum star.
Yeah.
I went and saw her strike.
I heard she made a lot of money off that in Dallas.
Okay.
How was it?
And she got on stage, and the guys all in the front row put on their MAGA hats.
I swear to God, it was amazing.
And they were just throwing making her dance while they were in their MAGA hats.
It was fucking unbelievable.
You know what?
That's a win-win situation.
The guys in the front row.
We were wearing MAGA hats.
Okay, go on.
All right.
So 2005, they have their tricks.
Horse face.
Horse face because he famously.
He's going to call a girl he paid to fuck a horse.
Correct.
It's like, you paid me.
So that happens 2005, 2016.
He's running for president.
Multiple women come out and are trying to extort, basically extort money from Trump.
Being like, I'm either going to go to the National Inquirer, you got to pay me.
Karen McDougal, she was a Playboy model.
She also got paid off.
There was like this whole thing with the National Inquirer about how they were burying some of these, whatever.
This is all 2018 drama.
So what ends up happening is that Michael Cohen, the lead lawyer for Trump at that time, his personal attorney, agrees to pay her $130,000 to be quiet.
Okay.
Trump then uses the Trump organization to reimburse Michael Cohen for that legal payment.
That payment was recorded for legal services, Not as a payoff.
Now, there are two investigations that went into this.
One in 2018, when this was initially looked at, was whether this was a federal campaign finance violation.
Cohen eventually pleads guilty to this payment because the payment was done explicitly for the purposes of the Trump 2020 campaign.
So it should have been reported to the FEC as a payment that was related to the 2020 campaign, not a personal expense.
Michael Cohen pleads guilty here in the Southern District of New York to this charge.
However, Trump is never charged with a campaign finance violation.
That was the federal crime.
Okay.
There's a variety of reasons.
So, number one, DOJ guidance says you're not allowed to indict a sitting president.
But the facts of the case were you would have to, yes, you had Michael Cohen's evidence, but he could have made a convincing case that it had to do with the personal matter, as in he didn't want to offend his wife, as opposed to the campaign.
So, even though Cohen pled guilty to it, because he directly was the one who paid it, Trump himself, legal ambiguity was already kind of there.
They didn't know if they were going to win in court, like directly, you violated federal campaign violation.
Because he could make a credible case that it was a personal payment.
What would the credible case be?
Again, that he didn't want to embarrass his wife, Melania, and it had nothing to do with the campaign.
So he could have made that.
It was like, no, this had nothing to do with the campaign.
This was like me to save face in my marriage.
Like, that's legally all you have to, I mean, not a bad case, right?
This is something that you could make.
So that they made me the case that this was personal.
So that was the federal one.
The state charge that Alvin Bragg, your DA, is apparently looking at, bringing, has nothing to do with federal campaign because he has nothing to do with campaign finance.
He is looking at felony bookkeeping fraud.
So felony bookkeeping fraud is statute of limitations for two years.
You can extend it up to five years if that person was out of state, as Trump was while he was at the White House.
He has to prove that the bookkeeping fraud, that the payment to Michael Cohen was not only made intentionally with the purpose of a cover-up, but that that intentional cover-up was in the prose while conducting another crime, as in the payment was to cover up a different crime.
So the other crime be?
Well, that's the problem, which is that a lot of this hasn't come out because it's secret in the grand jury, but it's a very novel interpretation of the law.
It's never actually been prosecuted in New York state law ever before.
So that's number one.
It's a legal theory of the case that has never been tried yet.
We'll find out if he does get arrested and indicted how that's going to work.
Two is that the statute of limitations thing is a little bit weird because, as I said, the statute of limitations is two years if you're in the state, up to five years if you're out.
So they have to make the case that he was out of enough time and they're still barely on the edge of that because he's been gone like back and forth as how that's going to be.
But to me, I just think this is the weakest case against Trump, like legally.
He faces far more legal jeopardy in the Georgia case that's going on right now, which is the Fulton County DAC or whatever.
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The fine 2,000 votes, exactly.
The pressuring the state of Georgia's election procedures.
He also, I mean, I don't think the Biden people can indict him now for the classified documents.
They found classified documents in this house.
But, I mean, legally, that one's probably the most open and shut case where they have him like dead to rights on obstruction of justice.
So I think it's a huge mistake for them to try and indict him.
I don't know if they're going to do it.
I don't think.
I don't think they will.
I don't think Biden and the Biden administration and the Democrats want to indict him.
Why not?
Because I think they want him to run because that's the only person they can beat.
Maybe.
My theory is the Republicans want him in prison.
They want him in chair.
The Republican establishment wants him to do it.
Exactly.
The establishment.
Not the voters.
The establishment.
Because they're like, okay, if he's here, he's not going to fracture the Republican vote.
DeSantis can go.
DeSantis can probably beat Biden.
Right.
But I think Trump is so polarizing right now and so toxic that people will do an anti-Trump vote again.
And I think that they can beat him.
I think if DeSantis runs, they got to get rid of Biden, then run somebody else.
Maybe.
I don't actually know.
I actually, because who's the only viable alternative?
Kamala?
She's way less.
She's way less positive.
Sometimes it's possible.
The party will never ditch her.
The party elites will never ditch Kamala.
I think they've already ditched her.
You can't ditch her.
Do you think?
No, dude.
The power of identity politics.
She's the first black vice president.
Like, never.
They'll never be able to do it.
Really?
Yes.
I think she's fucked up enough where they're like, yeah, this girl's an idiot.
Who's the third option, you think?
Pete Budig, but he's even worse.
Look at, have you flown recently?
I thought that was.
How's the East Palestine thing doing?
Bro, I thought they did that shit to him on purpose.
I thought it was like, yo, don't run.
No.
This is how conspiracy missionary I am.
It's like there were a few crashes in a row.
And I was like, I think Pete was getting ideas.
He's like, I think he might run for president.
Let's go.
I think I'll have to run.
Because, right, it was the trap.
It was every flight Southwest all shut down for a week.
2021 was a nightmare for air travel.
Then Southwest, Christmas, then East Palestine.
And then, oh, FAA.
Don't forget that one.
Total ground stop for the entire.
That was actually crazy.
Yeah.
That was the first national airstop since 9/11.
Just shut down.
Like, what?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
That's my little conspiracy thing.
You don't think Biden runs again?
Or you think if he does run again, you think he wins?
If he's alive, he's going to run again.
Whether he went, I don't know.
I have no idea.
It's one of those words.
Well, here's the weird thing.
Yeah.
I think that if you asked people if their happiness has gone up or down since Trump, I think both Republicans and Democrats, if they could be honest, not ask if you like Biden, if he's good, if he's doing a good job or anything.
Just your overall happiness.
Despite every possible calamity happening in the world, I think their happiness has gone up.
There's global.
Imagine if Trump was in office during this bank crash.
Just imagine the shit storm that would happen.
Imagine when the transportation ship went down.
Imagine.
But because Biden never has an opinion on anything, there's nothing to push back against.
This goes back to what we were saying earlier about like a cultural apathy.
I think what happens is if you have a president that's completely detached, it's very easy to be detached yourself.
Yes.
I don't need to know anything.
He doesn't know anything, right?
Whereas Trump organized what was the most important story every single week.
He's like, we're going to talk about transformers this week.
We're going to talk about this this week.
We're going to talk about that this week.
And the people that hated him rallied against it.
That's good.
And rallied it for it.
The thing is, I can make a case either way.
Oh, oh, oh, I'm not making the argument whether it's good or bad.
What I'm saying is that I think that there's this cultural malaise that we're existing.
I think some people like it.
I think there was an exhaustion.
Of course.
That's why people voted for Biden.
And that's no question.
That's why I think if Biden's alive, he could beat Trump again is because it'll be another anti-Trump vote.
I think if it's DeSantis, to his point, about a fraction of the party.
If it's DeSantis, either way, the boat's not going to get that rocked.
And this guy's more mentally coherent.
There will be less anti-DeSantis vote.
Maybe.
My thing is, what I always look at is one of the issues is two years out, like, who the fuck knows?
Like, seriously, the economy could crash.
The Ukraine war could be over.
The economy could be booming.
The Trump re-election.
Here's a good case for Biden.
If I was Biden, I would be doing everything I possibly could to bring Ukraine to an end.
Inflation will go down.
Gas prices will go down right before the election.
Just got a big win internationally.
The economy's coming back.
I passed the Inflation Reduction Act.
These crazy Republicans didn't get what they wanted during abortion.
No more stop the steal.
That's a good case.
I could make the other case, which is he's too beholden to the neocons, escalates the war in Ukraine.
It's a fucking disaster.
Gas is $5 a gallon.
Okay, welcome back, President Trump.
To your point.
So it's like, both of these are very within the realm of possibility.
Trump had it.
If you asked somebody in February 2020 who's going to win the election, it wasn't even a question Trump was going to get reelected.
March 2020.
COVID lost by 30,000 votes.
We all forget that.
30,000 votes across three states.
He only lost Georgia by 10,000.
If enough, if the same people who voted by mail in the Republican primary vote in 2020, he wins Georgia.
The same thing in Maricopa County and also basically the same thing in either Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, or Michigan.
Here's why I think, though, anti-votes are strong.
The reason Dems won more states in the midterm Senate than people thought is anti-abortion.
They're anti-anti-abortion.
Absolutely.
Correct.
The anti-abortion law passed.
They overturned Roelle versus Wade.
Which for me is just crazy to overturn a Supreme Court ruling.
I don't care what it is.
Well, what about Dred Scott?
Which one is that one?
The one where they declared that black men are not citizens of the United States.
Starting like 1980s.
The one that overturned the Fugitive Slave Act.
Or sorry, the cancer.
Sometimes they get arrested.
What about Koromatsu, which upheld the Japanese internment camps?
I think it was like 1942.
But that one's still in the books, technically, actually.
But yeah, I think the anti-vote will still be strong if Trump wins.
I agree with you.
Because Democrats have proven the only way they vote is they hate the guy that's winning.
Look, that's right.
They're voting against something or someone.
In modern American history, the great landslides have almost always been negative, not positive.
The only positive landslide in modern American history is 1964 election LBJ to fulfill John F. Kennedy's legacy.
So the Nixon landslide of 68 was a pushback against the chaos of the Vietnam War.
The FDR landslide is let's get us the fuck out of the Great Depression.
The 1980 landslide of Ronald Reagan and 84 is to save us from the nightmare of Jimmy Carter.
Even Jimmy Carter's election, which was relatively narrow, was also, let's just move on from Nixon.
So it's almost always been powerful in modern American history to be the anti-vote, like the move on party.
Part of the reason, again, why I think Biden was so successful.
But Trump also, like I said, that Ukraine case I laid out, that's very possible.
Like we could be in a full-blown conflict in Europe and Trump is like, I will get us out.
I mean, that's literally what Eisenhower ran on against Truman.
He said, I will go to Korea and I'm going to get us the fuck out of the Korean war.
Do you think Americans care enough about the Ukraine?
If it escalates.
Yeah.
So here's the thing.
It has to escalate to the point where it touches them.
And by touching them, like, I almost think more than gas prices.
Direct.
I'm not so sure.
If he got, I guess he's promising to get gas prices down.
Listen, you can get gas prices down tomorrow.
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Can you look up gas prices?
Gasprices.
AAA.com.
They've already come down a bit, but you can have them come down more.
You just release some reserves.
And Americans don't go, our reserves are going.
We tap the reserves, but you're right.
We didn't tap them.
They're gone.
No, but we've tapped them pretty significantly.
We have to top them up now.
And we haven't been able to top up the SPR.
Part of the, yeah, there we go.
So 340 again.
That's still not good.
That's not bad.
Well, if you scroll down if you scroll down, it has the national average from a year ago.
So there you go.
A year ago, it was four.
Yeah, actually, yeah, that's around Ukraine time.
So for sure.
So we're in like a decent place with gas prices.
And you have to calculate inflation a little bit there, too.
So I think inflation is fucking people up.
I think I'm like waiting for all these layoffs to start to affect people.
What do you mean?
So every one of these fortune companies is going, blah, blah, blah.
Amazon is set to layoffs.
5,000 people.
JP Murray is laying off.
10,000 people go.
What do we talk about?
So that's actually because it's tech.
So it's highly concentrated in white collar and specifically tech because tech was the biggest beneficiary of cheap money and of low interest rates.
They were floating on a lot of debt and on borrowed cash to fuel their expansion.
The overall joblessness rate, the unemployment rate, part of the reason that the Federal Reserve continues to increase rates is because those layoffs are not affecting the overall economy.
So for example, 10,000 jobs at Amazon, that's or like 1,200 jobs or whatever, Dropbox.
That's like a factory in Toledo.
If they close it out, it has no impact on the U.S. economy.
So we're over-indexing.
We're over-indexing for the media.
The media is focusing on tech.
Actual, like, blue-collar jobs are actually doing pretty well.
Jobs overall are doing well.
Yes.
And what we're having is like a regression to the mean from the tech sector that just absolutely exploded during COVID, which of course it's going to explode.
You have cheap money and you have to everybody at home needing to go.
So this makes sense.
So we can't look at jobs as a doomsday scenario that's got to go out to the sector.
Not all layoffs are the same, I guess.
Yes, exactly right.
Yes.
Okay.
So that's part of the issue, which is that a lot of people in tech, this was kind of annoying about the bank thing.
They're going, everything's going to collapse.
The economy's going to collapse if we don't get bailed out.
I was like, yeah, but like you actually are, you know, yes, you're 20% of GDP, but startups and all that are way less part of that in terms of tech.
And actually, if you did fail, or first of all, if the bank did fail, 90% of your deposits all would have been made whole in the first place.
So did it.
Depending on the bank, I think some of those banks had much to do.
I'm talking about Silicon Valley banks.
Signature and SVB.
Signature bank.
Well, so SVB specifically, we do know that if the normal FDIC process had gone through, over 90% of deposits would have been made whole.
And they have depositors, not deposits.
No, deposits.
Deposits, not depositors.
Deposits would have been made whole.
Because the FDIC backs up to $250,000.
No, because what they did instead is they came out and they were like, actually, all deposits are insured.
No, I'm saying prior to that.
Oh, yes, yes, prior to that.
That's right.
So that 90% statistic is based on the government bailout.
No, What normal FDI process is the FDIC is they come in, they shut down the bank and they sell off the assets of the bank and then use that.
It's kind of like what happened with Madoff.
Remember, like everything that they can claw, the clawback rule?
Sure.
So that effectively how it would have been done.
It would have taken a couple of months and all that for it to go about, but they would have gotten their money.
90% of them would have gotten their money based on that.
But the government stepped in.
But the government stepped in and was like, no, immediately, every single one of your deposits is cash flush.
And by the way, all of these banks now get access to a special Federal Reserve Fund, and we're going to completely unilaterally change all of U.S. banking law.
Well, this is important.
Which is crazy.
But this is important, right?
Because there isn't a bank right now that exists in the world that you can remove all of your assets from at the same time as everybody else who's in the bank.
Very true.
Right.
And I think it's at a 10 to 1 ratio.
So basically, like if you deposit $100,000 in that bank, they only have to keep $10,000 of it in there.
What they basically do is go lend out the other $90,000.
So fractional reserve banking, right?
So the problem with a run on the bank is that we all naturally get scared.
Like we were texting each other and we're like, yo, is this bank going to be okay?
Is City National going to be okay?
Is whatever.
Once we start taking our money out and moving it, because the last thing you want is deposit risk.
There's so much risk in money in general.
The last thing you want is like your actual cash.
The cash?
Like, let me risk it on a stock.
Let me risk it on an investment, not just sitting in the fucking bank.
Earning 0.08 interest.
So I think what they had to do is step in and just so that we would have confidence.
If we took all of our money out and we just dumped it into JP Morgan and Chase, which are the two that I guess we're doing okay, but if every regional bank would just collapse, you have to acknowledge.
I completely acknowledge it.
And I actually agree.
And you have to say, even though you're conservative, the government did a good job.
Actually, I don't agree with that because I think the government, what it did is actually, this is a leftist point, but I agree with it, which is that think about this.
What you just made the case is how banks make money because they lend out that money.
Okay.
But inherent to that was you are privatizing the profits, but when shit goes bad and there is a bank run, what did we just do?
Actually, all of that money is safe.
So we guaranteed all the deposits, which you get to make private profits in.
So Jamie Dimon is literally a billionaire, and all of these guys become billionaires by loaning out our money.
Well, what's our interest rate in banks?
0.05%?
Maybe something like that.
And no risk to that.
Wow, no.
Literally no risk to that.
What you're saying is 100% true.
Yes.
And it is 100% hypocritical and it absolutely sucks.
And we should, what I think we should do is put all the executives that made those decisions in jail.
But I think you can't, you can't, you have to punish them.
Absolutely.
But The concern is if this bank fails and the next bank fails, none of our deposits are secured because eventually you will have a global economic collapse.
So unfortunately, the government has to step in and do this incredibly hypocritical thing to protect everybody's money because it is possible that that would.
So my one thing is someone needs to get punished here.
Yes.
And I think it's the executives at the bank.
But it's not only the executive.
And unfortunately, they're getting fucking paid out.
But now we have not only that, every bank in the country effectively is now deposit insured.
So why do any of them get to make profits?
That's bullshit.
You don't get to use my money.
It's a great business.
You do not get to use my money to make profit for yourself.
And when you fuck up and fail, everything is guaranteed by the government.
And now they can be more reckless.
No, no, We could.
You guys are 100% right.
It sucks.
But we're not banning it.
There's no ban.
But the alternative is letting them fail.
That's not true.
The alternative is holding them accountable.
Well, how do you hold them accountable?
Well, okay, but here's the other thing.
Bring them to a grand jury.
No, this is a good question.
How would you hold them accountable?
Bring them to a grand jury.
Oh, so like you're saying what I'm saying is put them in jail.
I think so.
You got to put that accurate jury.
Oh, but the accountability, the accountability that we're talking about doesn't stop the practice that secured the bank.
But yeah, you can make the bank whole, but still hold people accountable.
We didn't do that.
Exactly.
I'm with you 100% on that.
I'm with you 100%.
And I think what will happen after that is that these bankers will realize that there are repercussions for their very dangerous actions.
Yes.
And then hopefully other banks will be like, okay, we need a little bit more deposits.
Let's not buy these fucking long-term criminals.
But that was the case.
The first of 2008, the 2008 case was that, and then it just didn't happen.
Like the idea was that we were going to bail them out.
They wouldn't do it again.
Yeah, exactly.
But the case was like, no, they're going to learn their lesson.
They crash.
They will never learn.
The lesson they learned is we don't get in any trouble.
They're making more money.
So I guess it's up to us to hold them accountable.
I mean, like, real talk, if Trump came out right now and he was like, every exec at those banks that got paid out, that isn't in jail, when I'm president, they're going to be in fucking prison.
The only issue, though, is I don't think people care that much about SVB.
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No, they don't, but you know what they do care about?
They care about somebody fucking over the regular man and then getting millions in the process.
SVB wasn't the regular man.
It doesn't matter, dude.
Because you can spin it optically, I guess.
You can't speak at all.
It's just like, he's going to, it's just like with the drag queens teaching fucking your kids English or whatever like that.
It's just like all Trump has to be like, no more drag queens teaching English.
And then people are like, oh, I love it.
My kids only learn English from drag queens.
They've been saying Yas Queen all day.
Like, please stop this.
Oh, I had an interesting theory.
Let's get you in trouble.
Well, not in trouble.
Okay.
And I'm sure that this is like the common thing right here, why people are upset about it.
What if, I'm sure this is very common, but what if trans women are just okay.
Here it is.
So trans women want to change the definition of woman to include them.
Yes.
Right?
Now, they also want to be.
They wouldn't say change.
They would just say include.
Or whatever.
But you know what I'm saying, more or less, right?
Expanded.
Expand the definition, right?
But they, now, here's the thing.
They recognize that they're in the wrong body.
They believe they're in the wrong body.
I believe that.
Okay.
Now, regardless if we do or not, let's assume, let's just assume for a second, they are in the wrong body.
We'll take a look at it.
And there are anomalies that happen all the time, right?
There's 7 billion people.
We got the wood person in fucking Thailand, right?
There's a guy who's brute in Thailand.
We've got people with multiple hands in India all the time.
There are these random anomalies that happen.
Tons of fingers, et cetera, right?
Not a single pianist.
Waste.
So you have this person who goes, I'm born in the wrong body.
We go, I believe you.
When we had Daisy on the podcast, I was like, I 100% believe that that happened to you.
I believe that you're, I believe you feel 100% like a woman.
And because of that, you're a trans woman.
You are exactly what you're saying.
You feel like a woman inside and you're in the wrong body and that makes you a trans woman, right?
But that doesn't make you a woman woman, right?
We don't have to change the definition of woman to meet this, which we understand is an anomaly, but we can also go, hey, I understand that you feel like that.
And you're not lying.
You're not manipulating anybody.
This is a real thing you're going through.
You're not crazy.
You're not crazy.
There's a lot of feminists who agree with you, actually.
Yeah, like, I don't think, and then I think that like, it's almost like I've thought about someone who has like the phantom leg syndrome.
Have you heard about that?
No, what is it?
So some people who have when they get amputations and they think they still have to still feel like they have a leg.
Now, what if they were like, I have a leg?
And then we'd be like, no.
Right.
You don't have a leg, but you do feel like it.
And the part of your brain, when I like touch the air right here, goes off where your leg would be.
So clearly you feel, I'm not saying you're lying about your feelings.
I 100% believe you feel your leg is right there.
I'm not calling you a liar.
There's nothing wrong with that, but you don't have a leg.
Yes.
What's wrong with that?
I mean, I don't really disagree with you.
I think, though, that this, look.
Is that insulting?
Would they find that insulting?
Some people would find it insulting.
Even though we're saying you're not lying, you do feel like that.
Dude, but that what it gets to is like qualifying that they're not.
But so far we define a woman and a man as a person who feels like a man and also has all the biological characteristics.
Part of the problem with trying to explain is it doesn't make any sense.
And like this is where, and I know the consternation.
Hey, dude, chill up.
Where it all comes from.
Chill up.
I would just say, like with the trans thing, I have never seen, I don't know why it animates so many people to feel so strongly.
Like people, I have met people whose entire politics is oriented around this.
And I just find that to be so incredible.
It's bogus.
By the way, comedy too.
Have you guys noticed this?
Like every comedian now has a trans joke.
And some of them are good, but some of them just like, yo, like, this is not even good.
Bro, I was doing it five years ago.
At least it was probably edgy then.
Dude, it's so fucking incredible.
It's just like every fucking joke, man.
Like every, like every open mic joke now, I feel like every newer comedian I listen to is because you can say anything now.
You can say everything.
But it's not funny.
It's just like not funny when it's not edgy.
Okay, so let's put that aside.
So I think that most of the consternation around it comes down to what you're pointing to, which is gender ideology.
Now, that also does not really have a definition.
And that's part of the problem because it's expansive.
Gender ideology, I would say.
Gender is what you feel like you are.
Yes.
However, what gender ideology more so is pointing to what you're saying, the expanding of the definitions around the sexes, conflating sex with gender, conflating feelings with totality, kind of a totalitarian view of enforcing that.
And where I, the only part where I actually care about this is kids.
That's it.
So I absolutely think like once you're 18 years old, do whatever you want.
As you said, I know people who are trans and like, I'm like, look, I believe you, you know, do whatever you want.
I think that's fine.
This is a free country.
So be it.
Many people actually don't agree with that.
And I think part of the problem with the right-wing debate is that when you press some of these people is that they will openly be like, no, I don't think you should be able to transition whenever you're 18.
It's like, look, that level of freedom is just, you may not like it, but like, that's what it is.
And so we should also be honest about how some people feel that way.
Now, we should also, though, be honest about how some people feel like it's okay to be able to talk about some of this stuff, not even talk about some of this stuff, but actively kind of propagate it for people who are five years old, people who are six years old.
And this is often conflated kind of with critical race theory.
And again, critical race theory is one of those where the technical definition of critical race theory is graduate level coursework around the question.
So that's why some people will be like, critical race theory is not being taught in schools.
I'm like, yeah, but you know, are you talking to kids about skin color and shades and about like white guilt when they're five?
Because yeah, I think that's a problem.
But then they're like, wait, you think we shouldn't talk about the Civil War?
I'm like, I didn't say that.
That's all I said actually.
No, a five-year-old.
No, I don't think you should talk about this.
Well, maybe.
I mean, you could talk about it.
How are you going to talk to a five-year-old about the Civil War?
What are you going to do?
I mean, you could talk about costumes.
You could say, like, oh, there was good and bad.
Like, we've read slaves and slavery was bad.
I mean, look, to a certain level, like, there are social myths.
He doesn't need to know about that.
I'm just what I'm saying is there are social myths that are built in the bedrock of every civilization.
What gender ideology sees?
Five-year-old should be learning English from a big old fucking transvest.
I don't think you're supposed to say transvestite anymore.
No, transvestite is fine.
No, I think that's out.
They got rid of it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was out, though.
They got rid of, bro.
I don't know.
That implies that it's sexual.
That's what that they imply that it's sexual.
So the tight part is.
Can you look it up actually?
Yeah, we're also talking about drag queens, though.
Yeah, we're talking about drag queens as transvestite.
No, but I believe that transvestite is a term that is like a sexual kink.
It's like they do.
Transvestite was just a cross-dresser.
Yeah, a cross-dresser.
No, but cross-dressing implies, again, a kink.
It's like for a sexual purpose.
No, in the traditional.
Sorry, what we got.
So the words undergone very many things.
The term transvestite is commonly considered.
It's created and derogatory.
Yes.
Cross-dresser is more appropriate.
So what is it?
Yeah.
Now, is it drag?
Well, no, because drag also is not.
Well, this is what they say.
This is a controversy.
This is the reason.
Is drag sexual?
Is drag sexual or is it dressing up in women's clothes?
This is just conservatives, people who are upset about it, say that drag is inherently a sexualized act.
And when you have a drag queen show in front of little children, you're pushing like a sexualization on top of gender ideology in front of little kids.
Now, people will say, well, hey, what's wrong with men who are wearing a dress who are like reading a book to their kid?
Honestly, I think it's one of those, like, you know, when you see it, like, if there's a guy who is in drag but is appropriately clothed and reading a children's book, that's just like fundamentally different than a guy who doesn't have underwear on and it's like has his dick out in front of kids, right?
Well, I don't know.
And like, that's weird.
Why?
Why?
I don't understand why this is happening.
Like, why?
What's the problem?
I don't really know.
I mean, I look, I don't know where it all comes from.
Some of it is online, but frankly, like the roots of it have been in our culture for a long time.
I mean, some of it comes from, I guess, a good place of like, hey, we want to be able to accept and accept what?
Well, it.
We want people to be able to feel however they feel without discrimination.
Like, inherently, it sounds good now, but at the same time, like, to feel that way, we have to police the way that everybody uses language.
And we also have to say that anybody who questions it, and specifically when questions it around children, is itself like homophobic when homophobia actually doesn't have to do with any of it.
That's actually part of what drives me crazy whenever people say that it's like an attack on gay rights or something like that.
I'm like, well, hold on.
Well, we're not talking about gay rights at all.
We're actually like, that has nothing to do with gay marriage.
Now, are there some people who are anti-gay marriage who are also obsessed with this?
Yes, that's what I actually opened this conversation with.
And that's part of the issue, which is drinking it down to like nuance and like where people are is the most difficult part.
I know so many people who are Christian theocrats who are obsessed with this and this is all that they talk about.
Where many people who are not even who are like atheists would agree with them in the critiques of gender ideology.
But they're like, wait, hold on.
So what do you believe about abortion?
No, I'm not in on that at all.
But then I also know a lot of people, again, left-wingers who would be like, listen, I'm totally cool, like trans rights, all that stuff.
But then you're like, I don't know with children, like maybe it's up to the parents.
Like if parents want to talk to their kids about it, that's the other way I feel about the drag.
Why aren't the teachers teaching them how to read?
Well, why do we need to hire a story already?
Well, okay, the same thing about dragon story hour.
I'm also talking about teachers.
There are a lot of teachers, right?
This is the whole libs of TikTok thing where teachers will openly be like, the pronoun, they'll be like, look, these are the pronouns we're going to use in college.
Or, or, you know, you have high school, like high school teachers who will say, it's okay if you want to come out to me as trans and I'll keep it from your parents.
And there's like school nurses.
That's fire.
There's all this.
I don't know.
I'm not trans.
Well, okay, but what if you're not?
That's a fucking idea.
But if you are under 18, like, shouldn't your parents ultimately have not necessarily?
Why not?
Because if again, coming out of the closet for what's the law now?
The law is your parents.
I'm going back to something that you the law says you can't go under gender reassignment surgery without parents.
That's fine.
But just coming out of the world, they're trying to change how I feel.
But they're trying to change that law.
But until then, we're going to.
But yeah, just coming out, is this how I feel?
Like coming for a gay person, I don't have to tell my parents if I'm gay.
They still, my parents still don't know I'm gay.
I don't have to come out until I'm comfortable doing it to anyone.
Same should be the case for a transitional level, but we're talking about what is inherently a state, federal, or a state, federally funded, state, taxpayer-funded institution.
So in a private school, that's very different.
I think there's a lot of parents that would really appreciate if their kid didn't tell them they were gay and told the teacher instead.
Maybe, but that's kind of up to them.
And my point is, though, is that, and this part of what drives me crazy too, these are public fights because these are taxpayer-funded schools.
Like at the end of the day, we do get a say.
And as much as we should, like, if the teacher is like, you're paying your salary.
No, no, no.
The taxpayers are paying teachers to read to kids.
Yes.
Why are we hiring more people?
That's the biggest issue for me.
It's not even the drag queen's.
Well, like drag queen team is more like library.
I think a lot of them, I don't think a lot of them are school connected.
Some of them are school connected, but a lot of them are like at public library.
They'll be at a library.
Or there'll be like a private social club or something like that.
There's like 43 elementary schools that they did it in.
I didn't know that.
That's not that many.
But also parents are going to feel like, hey, I don't want them pushing the gay agenda.
So I don't want teachers talking to my kids about none of that.
Yeah.
Because it's like which teachers are just like, oh, you confiding in me.
And which teachers are like, yo, you should see this gay shit.
You might like this.
But see, I think that's important as a point.
I'll give you guys the flip side.
So I had a science teacher in fifth grade who was telling us about evolution.
And then this kid raised their hand and was like, so do you believe in evolution?
And she was like, no, but the state requires me to teach that.
And I remember being like, you're the scientist.
I was like, why should I listen to you about anything then if you don't believe in evolution?
Actually, Rogan is a person I heard made this point, which is that imagine if you were a liberal parent and you had a teacher who was conservative, which I had many conservative evangelical teachers, and they were pushing their Christian beliefs on your kids at school, you would be fucking furious.
And I felt very uncomfortable, whatever that happened to me, because I grew up in the 1990s in Texas.
Can I be honest with you?
The flip side of it, though, is that you would also be furious if somebody is teaching your kids something that you don't believe.
I wouldn't be furious.
Why not?
If people were pushing Christian beliefs on my kids.
How so?
Because I think Christian beliefs have carved out our culture, our rules, our interactions.
Sure.
I would be 100%.
There's a level.
But there's right.
So you're talking about like Judeo-Christian values that we have inherited from Puritanism that we've enshrined in law.
I think there's a difference in talking about evolution is not real.
I had a lot of people.
I had an organic chemistry professor at a private college that thought the earth was 4,000 years ago.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And you're like, well, how can I listen to you?
I can't listen to you about anything.
And I'm paying you.
It was like $25,000 a year.
It's a bum ass school.
People love to pick that out with Christianity.
And it's just like, okay, they got one thing wrong.
It's like, how many things they got right?
Like, I'll be honest with you, bro.
No, we're not saying that.
No, I'm not saying you guys do it, but like atheists love to do this thing with the Bible.
We're like, well, here's something that's hit.
Hypocritical.
It's like, oh, did you find something wrong in a 5,000-year-old text?
Wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
You found, oh, my Bill Maher, what a fucking genius.
A 5,000-year-old text.
You found a mistake?
Something that's been refuted?
But there's people that say that the Christians say there's no mistakes.
Yeah, there's no mistakes.
The Bible is literally true.
Settle down on that shit.
I'm a Nick fan.
I've been there.
You're wrong until you write.
That's what it's like being a nickname.
You are wrong until you write.
And if we all go to heaven, it's like, all right, that show is 4,000 years old.
Yeah, but you stop going to games because they double down too much.
No, you're right.
I'm doubling down.
I'm agnostic about my knicks.
But a nice deep playoff run, I'm going to be in there like, all right, you got this.
I just, I was at, I went to church this Sunday, right?
This is why there's 15 types of Christianity, bro.
Christians are like comics.
Like, they're just going to find a way why you ain't going to be able to do it.
You're doing old Christianity, bro.
Yeah, you're like, Christians?
Yeah.
You're a prop Christian.
Yeah, that's all you do.
Okay, so.
And I'm in there, and it was, my wife really wanted to go.
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Her brother goes, and I'm like, all right, this is going to be cool.
And it was beautiful.
Like, the feeling that I got.
First of all, I'm crying within three minutes.
I walk in and it starts with the music.
Yeah.
I am bawling, crying within three minutes.
Okay.
It's in a public school auditorium.
And it is, it's not at like some fancy fucking, you know, Joel Osteen church.
It's in a public school auditorium, like the real shit.
You know what I mean?
Like, which is Jesus, bro.
Go jaguar.
Jesus wasn't going to be in some fancy ass synagogue.
You know what I mean?
He was in the streets with his people.
Yeah, playing ball, hooping.
Hooping.
So, bro, they're singing the most beautiful.
I love Christian music, bro.
Like, honestly, I'm mad at Pastor Carl.
He should be.
Because I was up in that hell song crying too.
If you play any Christian music for me right now, I cry on the spot right now if we play any Christian music.
No, we should do is play it and see if they like us from us.
Mark Dick.
When Avery was like every ministry, yeah, we play great music.
It's not really about Jesus.
We're just hanging out.
Hold on a second.
Oceans?
Oceans are gay.
Oceans in there.
I will call upon your name.
Don't ruin it, bro.
Where are you?
Frank.
There's a place of ocean.
Where we go on Sundays to His talk about you today.
No, no.
Not really.
But no, it was so beautiful.
The music, it was like filling me up and I felt so amazing.
It was these incredible feelings.
And you said something, I think it was on a pod maybe last week, but like you could tell how successful a religion is by the fruit of bears.
And I'm in this, I'm in this church, and I'm just feeling so incredible.
Just listen to the music.
I'm three minutes in and I'm like, oh, there's a reason this shit took over the world, bro.
Like Christianity is incredible.
I need to try Islam because if Christianity is this good, Islam is going to be the new news.
2.0, yeah, yeah.
Oh, Sufis, dude.
Come on.
Show me.
Shulfield's got great Suzy.
What's a Sufi?
They're like mystical Islamists.
They believe in music.
They're true.
They're just gays, but very beautiful music, good architecture.
He called you gay still.
That's fine.
Listen, I'm religious, gay.
They're tolerant.
They're very big in India.
All I'm trying to say is it was so beautiful.
And I'm in this room.
There was love and it was all these different people coming together and they were submitting themselves to a higher power.
It's a beautiful thing to see with humans.
I think in this individualized society that we live in, you see so much selfishness.
For these people sit in this room and then just fucking give it up for something they don't even know is there.
I was like, it made me fucking emotional.
It was beautiful.
And that's why when you were like, do I want these Christian values on my kid?
It's like, I could talk to my kid about evolution.
You know what I can't do?
Is like, when I'm not with him for eight hours a day, is fill him up with that love and that joy that makes him be a better person to the people around him.
He's not being a better person because you're telling him to be good.
He's being a better person because he feels fucking God loves him.
And when God fills you up, you got a little extra to give around.
It was just beautiful, man.
I'm glad that you said that, actually, because I don't want people to construe me as saying like religion is bad.
I'm like, just because I didn't take it.
No, no, I understand.
Also, our teachers never taught us that stuff.
Yes, that's right.
More so, they were like, hey, Akash, that's a funny name.
Yeah, yeah, that's really bad.
You go to hell.
Yeah, yeah.
You're like, wow, that's terrible.
So they use religion as that religion is fantastic.
See, I don't like that.
Yeah.
Well, they're more of a Sufi.
Yeah.
You guys got to do a Supi show.
That actually makes me sound like that.
Did you tithe?
Bro, because they put a master around.
I gave him everything in my pocket, and I had done shows all week.
I had maybe, I probably dropped it.
No, you did not, bro.
And I almost feel uncomfortable saying it now because it seems like I'm bragging.
We can cut the whole thing out.
But I, because you know, I'm going through the shit with that.
Don't pay him back for that flight.
Yo, they got your ass, bro.
They pinched.
They got you.
They fucking got you, bro.
They saw you roll in.
They're like, play oceans.
Run the heads.
Run the heads.
You don't mind.
The pastors are brand new, Omega.
You know what?
You know what I'm saying?
They don't have any competitive.
You got institutional.
You got money.
Mark the lost Christian guy all of a sudden.
Like, I can't believe you gave that money.
You got to.
I ain't going to let New York take God.
You didn't even give it to the real God.
You gave it to a TED Tot.
Love.
You gave it to a TED Talk, bro.
Fill him with Islam.
Don't feel it.
You need that new one.
You need that new one.
How much you got to tithe in Islam?
Is it a better rate?
If it's at 5%, I might go over there.
I don't know.
I don't know what they're saying.
Islam does not allow interest.
Islamic banks are not allowed to charge interest.
I know.
They just conveniently.
They're killing all the real estate in London.
They just conveniently charge you a fee, which is commiserate with about 8%.
Are you kidding me?
I swear to God.
Oh, my God.
You don't think God knows about that?
They were like, yeah, there's no interest, but you'll have to pay this fee.
And if you do the math, it's about 8% interest.
And you're like, wait, what?
That's how you get a car.
That's how you get mortgages out there.
Are you kidding me?
Does that thing change depending on the market?
Of course.
What?
You think it isn't commiserate with the global rate of interest?
Well, that's interesting.
So how the fuck do they get around it?
That's a fee.
She's a fee.
It's like, you're actually a real fucking harami right now.
Is it Shabbat?
Whenever they're not, like, Orthodox Jews are not allowed to use electricity.
Yeah.
So they turn on the lights before Saturday.
Yes.
So they don't have to turn off the lights.
Yes.
So they'll turn the stove on or something like that.
So they don't technically have to, but it's clearly cheating.
It's cheating.
I'll even admit it.
I was like, I was like, come on.
I was like, we're either not using electricity or not.
Like, you heard about what they do in the Hasidic communities in Brooklyn.
This is great.
They make the elevator stop at every floor.
The Shabbat elevator.
Oh, smart.
Oh, now you like it.
Listen, just because Christians are too dumb to get around everything, that's really what it is.
That's honestly what it is.
Jews have more than most people.
Jews wrote a whole book to just outsmarting God.
It's brilliant.
No, Christians did it the best.
Christians said we're going to separate that.
Let's start America and let's separate church and state.
It shit is just Christian.
But we separated.
No Christian rules have to apply.
I mean, King Henry really was the first one.
We didn't get married till the 21st century.
That's fucking crazy.
And we were already, we were actually pretty early in terms of the world.
I was going to say, well, actually, what's the first country that legalized?
Yo, they bring up that shit too.
It's like, whatever, bro.
What do you mean?
We're going to, what is it, throw the baby out with the bathwater?
It's like they got evolution wrong and then gay shit wrong.
You know what I mean?
Like, everything else stands.
Look, what else is wrong?
I have a lot of Christian friends who would make the case that you're making.
You're like, listen, at the end of the day, Judeo-Christian values are what built the West and it's what ultimately allowed America to prosper.
I mean, look, I mean, I'm not saying it's all bad.
This is like the whole convo today.
We're like, we were talking about women out earning men.
Like, that's not a bad thing.
There's a trade-off, though.
Let's acknowledge the trade-off.
It's a bad thing for all that trade-off.
It's not a bad thing for us.
It's a bad thing for them.
What do you mean?
Because they like it when guys make more money.
So now there's just less people to fuck them.
So if they were smart, they would earn nothing.
And then every guy has gold.
Well, no sex before marriage.
That's a good Christian value.
I think that that's fine, dude.
You didn't do that.
Wow, we were number four.
I'm not a Christian, bro.
So we were technically number two after.
No, no, sorry, number three after Belgium.
Yeah, national ruling, though.
Wait, wait, no, no, no.
Hold on a second.
Hold on one second.
No sex before marriage.
That's a great rule for the time, bro.
For 2023.
I think we have to divide the rules between like technological rules and like emotional rules.
See, this has a telemetry.
See, this is what happens if you get Jews of all their religion, bro.
No, no, no.
Keep it pure.
Technical rules.
Keep it pure.
I don't want to like elevate on every floor, bro.
No, I don't want to give away.
I don't want to give away like a joke or whatever, but like, I do think the gay thing was more about just how dirty dudes' buttholes were back in the day.
Like, and I feel like...
It was the shellfish of ass.
I think.
Well, here's the thing.
This is specifically why.
Ready?
5,000 years ago, right?
There's no toilet paper.
There's no way to really clean ass, right?
And women at the time are not shaving their legs.
They're not shaving their armpits.
They're in the Middle East.
They're fucking full of hair, right?
The difference between a man and woman is very minimal.
Oh, my God.
Right?
So you could butt fuck a dude's shit hole, or you can have sex with a beautiful, warm vagina, and God is like, yo, you're almost the same.
Like, I made you almost the same, right?
So why don't you just do that and not go to hell?
I'm just gay.
Being gay back in the day, you had to have like specific tastes.
Well, do you guys know like the evolutionary theories around gay, being gay?
I've always found those interesting.
They're like the gay uncle theory, where it's like if you had a male who was capable of protecting the tribe, who was gay, he wasn't competing with the alpha male for resources.
So that's why that hope, because one of the Christian or scientific like Darwinist arguments about homosexuality is like, why would it be passed on through the gene pool?
Like why would there be an evolutionary advantage to being gay?
Because the girl got the right gay uncle.
They're all songs, bro.
Yeah.
Some songs ain't written by straights.
That music's too beautiful, bro.
With that fucking thousand miles or another song.
Unholy.
It's fucking crazy.
That's a lot of green songs.
Keep on going with the gay theory.
Okay.
So, no, I've only got gay uncle theory.
I don't know what the other ones are.
I think there was one.
Yeah, again, it was like the idea that they could help protect the tribe.
They could help care for the children, help care for offspring while not competing for resources, like in terms of female resources with the alpha male.
So it's somebody who had like...
Have you heard this theory about how this is a theory of human evolution that what allowed us to have so much success was ridding the tribe of the alpha male?
What do you mean?
So what allowed humans to basically like demolish all of our competition is that we weren't led by one specific alpha male.
Actually, all the betas collectively coming together and murdering the alpha male.
And this is essentially what democracy is, right?
It's like all the people basically removing the person of power every four years.
And you see like different versions of this propagate society.
And the reason why that was better is because if you had the collective group of betas in charge, there was more safety for you.
You didn't have to worry about this alpha rolling around and fucking biting off your nutsack every two seconds, like lions got to worry about or bears got to worry about.
Like you could actually sit around and you could collaborate and make invent technology and find ways to live an easier life, et cetera.
So the history of humanity is the history of cucks.
I'm not sure though that that's right.
I'm pretty sure what happened is that the whole idea is that the alpha male is a transitory position.
And so the beta male then becomes the alpha male, but then he's removed.
So actually, if you look at, you know, how when African countries allow people to like shoot a rhino, almost always the reason why is because it'll be a rhino which is sterile, but which is killing younger bulls who are trying to compete for female resources.
Thank you.
They're not able to kill the older bull.
So they allow somebody to come in, shoot it, and that frees up evolutionary competition.
Yes.
But the problem, though, is that the cuck then becomes the alpha male.
And then it becomes the rhino.
When he gets too wild, they remove that out.
When they remove him, then they get somebody else.
So the cucks have been in charge this whole time.
Maybe.
Have you guys?
That's what some people say.
Some people say.
Some people say.
On the internet.
There is a actual smart people.
The other theory that was interesting is the guy who developed this theory of like the alpha wolf.
Have you ever heard of it?
This is where the whole idea of alpha, the pack leader, because that was debunked, right?
He debunked it and spent the rest of his life debunking.
He's like, yeah, I was wrong.
Actually, they've like hunt collaboratively.
There's not really one person in charge.
It's all bullshit.
That's right.
And then for years, even now, people are like, you have to be the alpha wolf.
It's like, what do you mean, the cuck watching his wife gets fucked by his friend?
Sometimes an easy thing to run with.
Turns out wolves are very communitarian.
Shit, the women are like the great hunters.
Chilling doing nothing.
Be the lion.
You mean the guy who's a sex slave for the ladies?
Yes.
He's a lot of eat first is because he got a diss down.
It's protein.
You see how like male lions will get their nuts bitten by the female lions when they want to fuck.
Yeah, yeah.
That's crazy.
What?
Yes.
This idea that male lions are like living that life.
It's so that's all we're doing right now.
Women going to college, making all the money.
It's just evolution.
This is, we're just coming to animals, bro.
So we're just, we're just going to be the lions laying around fucking.
Right.
But we don't want to fuck.
Oh, God.
It's sad.
Look at his little face, bro.
Sad.
Yeah, I've been there, though.
They got fucked like 20 times a day.
Can you imagine that?
We're jealous of that.
Four different women.
Oh, did you guys hear about that story about the, there's this, this guy in Long Island and his wife, he was like cheating on her, I guess, a bunch.
So his wife got him a girlfriend, another girlfriend to save their marriage.
Another girlfriend that looked identical to her to save their marriage.
Wow.
I've never heard of this.
I have not heard of this.
I've heard the reverse story, the cuck shed story.
You guys remember that?
No, what is that?
It was like the guy who moved into a shed in his own backyard because his bull had moved into his house.
His bull?
What does that mean?
Like the guy who was cucking his wife, or I guess.
Yeah, banging his wife.
Yeah, exactly.
Like the bull moved into his house and he built himself a shed in his backyard that he lives in.
It was a cuck.
You should Google it.
It's like the cuck shed.
I think it was in New York magazine.
This was a big thing in like 2016.
Yeah, cuck shed, like New York magazine.
He wrote like it was like a whole piece about how he was cool with his cuck shed.
But yeah, there you go.
When a boyfriend joins your marriage, there's it.
Yeah, 2016.
He enjoys being emasculated.
No, he enjoyed it.
He gets off of it.
Yeah, it's like a fetish.
It's like a fetish.
So what's interesting to me about that is like being the cuck.
No, what is the, what is it called?
Being the bull.
The bull.
Yo, being the bull is kind of gay.
What do you mean?
You're not like this dude fucking some guy's wife.
You're his beat-off material.
Like, it's like, if you don't fuck whenever you want, he's like, I'm ready to jerk off.
Go fuck my wife.
Like, it's not, it's definitely not.
It's not the dynamic we think it is where a guy just walks in the room.
It's like, yo, get your wife over.
I'm going to fuck her.
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You're going to do nothing.
It's the opposite.
You're the bitch.
He's like, I'm coming out of my cuckshed.
It's time for me to jerk off as you were.
You're like an evil king.
What is that guy from?
Not Joffrey, the other one.
Which Game of Thrones?
From Game of Thrones, the Battle of the Bastards.
He guy's into really fucked up.
He has his hounds.
Which kingdom was it?
Circe's Baldy.
Ramsey Bolton.
Ramsey Bolton.
That's a fucking cuck shed guy.
He'd be into that kind of thing.
Absolutely.
He kind of hacked the game.
He's got an Xbox in here.
He just hangs out with his boys all the time.
Dude, this guy figured it out.
Yeah.
Talk shit is kind of a legend, dude.
Oh, my God.
I don't know.
I bring them water.
I kiss one good.
Oh, man.
Yeah, this is kind of wild.
Can't even read this again, dude.
He's not in control, bro.
Say, he's not in control.
He's bringing them water.
But you have to understand, his kink is humiliation.
Yes.
He's went through something absolutely horrific in his life where that's the only way he can get off.
It's like the fucking Jeffrey Dahmer guy's kink is murdering people or whatever.
Like people have these.
Did something happen to him in his life?
Yeah.
Yeah.
After watching it?
What do you think it was?
Oh, Dahmer?
Yeah.
See, I actually watched the Dahmer series, and the more I read about it, I'm like, I don't know, man.
Maybe he was just born this way.
Well, I think you're born that way.
And then it's like, it's like exacerbated.
Yeah.
It's like deep in there and then that fucked up things you go through in their life.
But every one of these guys is molested.
100%.
Bundy, was Bundy molested?
I know Bundy had some shit, but nothing that traumatic happened with his mother.
I don't know.
Every one.
Yeah.
100%.
That's why we just got to kill pedophiles.
Because if you're molesting, like just straight up because you ruin their life.
Now, it doesn't happen to every single person.
That's why we're talking about there are people who get molested.
It's tragic.
It's horrible.
But they go out and have these like very productive, amazing lives as strippers, whatever they are.
No, You're right.
That's the name for it.
No, no, no.
But they go out and do like incredible things, right?
And they, they, what is it called?
They like push past this horrific thing they went through, of course.
Then there are other people who, you know, they have this deep stuff underneath them.
They might have that like psychotic tendencies, and that shit fucking triggers it.
Yank.
I don't know.
I think.
I mean, imagine going through something as traumatic at that at a young age.
Like, but all these serial killers have a story like that where they're like, of course.
Yeah, my mom abused me.
This thing happened.
Like, just, I forget what happened.
Childhood trauma, right?
Yeah, there was one guy who, oh, I forget his name.
He was like a big foot fetish guy, actually.
But he would like kill a woman, like, cut their feet off.
I forget his name.
That's crazy.
And then the one.
Did you remember the Mind Hunters one where they interviewed the guy who would kill women and then he ultimately killed his mom and stuff?
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Yeah, he ripped his mom's like taunt, what was it, the vocal cords out and put him in the garbage disposal and grinded him up.
And afterwards, he was like, okay, I'm done.
And he just called the police and turned him back.
That's what I'm talking about.
Yeah.
Because it was just all about his mom.
He just hated his mom.
He was taking out the rage of his mom against like college-age.
Yeah.
This is a person with psychosis that also has like a traumatic effect.
Yes.
And that's the horrible cocktail.
You do not want those two things.
Because there's plenty of psycho people that are walking around that had like good childhoods and they're probably like, like, we know them.
Yeah.
You know, there was a researcher that was like, oh, I realized I was predisposed to having like psycho, like psycho-killer tendencies.
He was like, I have like the mental makeup.
I forget.
He was studying psychotics and then he did the tests on himself and he found out he was psychotic.
And he was like, we should all take that test.
You're talking about the more psychopaths in society.
Somebody recently did this on Rogan.
I thought it was fascinating, which is that one of the reasons why we might have more psychopaths in society is that in a small group setting, a psychopath would not be as easily to be able to blend in in a tribe.
Whereas in a collectivist, like 7 billion people, a psychopath can more easily move between tribes, scam a person here, scam a person there.
You know, like a con artist moves from Florida to California.
Catch me if he can't.
You know, like if you move through New York City, like the odds are you were not going to run into the same person every single day.
So you could scam this person, scam this person.
And so this gene pool of a psychopath is more easily replicable in a mass like civilizational society.
Where it would be erratic mauling out almost immediately to be like, this guy's a fucking liar.
He screwed me on this.
Like he lied to my face.
Fuck him.
Let's cast him out of the group.
Whereas like we don't have that same check-in mechanism.
That's a great point.
Back in the day, like if you're a, what's it called?
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A witch oil salesman.
Like you went make oil salesman.
Whatever that fucking witch oil.
That's fine.
You chose way better than witch oil.
So much.
Is that the church again?
And you're like, all right.
So jealous.
He's hating that church, bro.
You hate it.
God loves me, but yo, Catholics hate every of these type of Christian.
Totally healed.
I can't get some God, bro.
Not for that price.
I'm just saying there's a better.
I can get you a better price, bro.
That's what I'm saying.
Why didn't you call me?
Literally, the basket's going around.
You know, I'm going through some stuff in my life.
To be fair, this way.
At least in Tennessee.
I'm going through some shit of my life with my wife.
The basket came around and I was like, oh, fuck.
Like, if God is watching this shit, do you know what I'm saying?
Like, you're going to bribe him to make sure that you're not going to be able to do it.
Not a bribe.
I wasn't bribing, but it was like, he hears me, you know, talking to him and asking for help with something.
And then he sees me put in the basket and he's like, oh, you only $20 for a baby?
Like, I had to unload the clip, bro.
I unloaded the clip.
But did you have to throw it in the air, though?
I feel like that was the part that was.
Can I be honest?
That's where people were like, oh, this guy's going to dig.
I put that shit in there, but I at least made sure my wife saw.
Do you know what I mean?
It's like when you're chasing at the cafe.
Anonymous.
It's like when the bartender, you get like, I don't like it when they switch the screen over.
You know, when you buy an espresso and they flip it for the tip, I flip that shit back.
And then I hit that.
That's exactly how I want to.
Did you see that?
There you go.
Eye contact.
Boom.
It's not about you.
It's actually about me.
Enjoy your little couple quarters.
Did you look at the guy next to you that you passed it to?
Like, all right, you're turning.
No, it was just me.
I was in the end.
I was at the end.
I was at the end of the row, but I fucking unloaded the clip.
Thank you, God.
You don't think he sees a bank account?
Say again.
You don't think he sees a bank account?
You didn't have a QR code in my jeans.
The basket was a basket.
Run it back to Sunday.
The basket's a basket.
Run on a bank.
They got to pass the car.
Hey, God, hey, God.
Hey, God.
Yo, you say wire transfer, God?
Hey, God.
Let me tell you something.
God, let me tell you something.
These motherfuckers, these motherfuckers.
Why are you cussing at God that's disrespectful?
These, listen, you invented these words.
These motherfuckers right here.
There you go.
Don't be blasphemous, Miles.
Leave him out of this shit.
If he wants to talk to God, he wants.
He wants to listen.
Don't talk about my white God.
Why God don't like it?
Listen, listen, listen, listen.
These motherfuckers right here, they think they walk alone, God.
I know, I know.
At my hardest times, God, I know in my hardest times, when I'm walking on the beach of life and I see them footprints, I know it's you carrying me.
I know they ain't my footprints.
It's your footprints, God.
You're carrying me.
Thank you, God.
I just want to let you know, y'all.
It's your footprints.
Walk through that shit.
Andrew, I'm sorry.
I got to go, my friend.
You see that, God?
You see that, God?
You see that?
You see that?
Thank you so much, my brother.
Thank you all.
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