Flagrant - Andrew Schulz & Akaash Singh - Yeonmi Park on The Heavies, North Korean Rat Stew & Dating Black Guys

Feb. 14, 2023 - Flagrant - Andrew Schulz & Akaash Singh

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Yeonmi Park on The Heavies, North Korean Rat Stew & Dating Black Guys

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Yeonmi Park details her harrowing escape from North Korea, where she survived rat stew, sold for $20 into slavery, and endured a -40°F Gobi Desert trek. She exposes the regime's 51-class hierarchy, nuclear blackmail against the US, and propaganda "Disney world" masking starvation. Park contrasts this totalitarian control with American racial dynamics, critiquing weaponized narratives while defending gun ownership as freedom's equalizer. Ultimately, her testimony highlights how ideological distractions obscure the brutal reality of dictatorships versus constitutional failures in the West. [Automatically generated summary]
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The Polite Way to Ask 00:04:18
	All the people at home are wondering one thing right now.
	Yeah.
	Do you know about the heavies?
	Today we are joined by an absolute legend.
	A woman whose resilience makes David Goggins look weaker than the Liver King sperm count.
	She's the ultimate survivor, a New York Times best-selling author, and she's taken out more rats than the Colombo crime family.
	She's got the only North Korean nukes to touch American soil.
	Right now, give her a warm, flagrant welcome.
	The unstoppable Yon Me Park, everybody.
	Okay, now, before we begin, because obviously we want to talk about your life and everything that's going on, your books.
	But before we begin, all the people at home are wondering one thing right now.
	Yep.
	Do you know about the heavies?
	I can assume, but what part is it started?
	Is it, I mean, my butt?
	Yeah.
	I think it's the other part.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The other part.
	I've never seen you blush that.
	No, okay, so.
	Do you still think so in person?
	Yes.
	Is that the right answer?
	I've never been embarrassed on a podcast.
	Okay.
	So basically the story.
	Come on.
	You got to tell the story.
	I called you.
	I'm like hot right now.
	Okay.
	I called you.
	I called you like two or three days ago because I wanted you to be in on the joke and I just had to make sure.
	So I pulled it off.
	He's looking you in the eyes so hard right now.
	He's not letting his eyes wander at all.
	It's going to be right here the entire time.
	Laser focused.
	Laser focus.
	I've got a sunglasses on today.
	Okay.
	So basically what happened, that's just here or here.
	I look.
	Okay.
	So basically I called you and I was like, hey, I just want you to know, are you familiar with like the comments on Instagram sometimes saying the heavies or people lifting the weights?
	Yep.
	And you said to me, you were like, I thought people were saying I was getting fat.
	Yeah.
	Which made me feel worse.
	I was like, am I going to pay for this people?
	Oh my God.
	I mean, in place, look, so I felt horrible that, you know, you came from this place.
	You're coming from North Korea where you don't have food easily accessible to you.
	And then you get to America where you can eat whatever you want and you're immediately body shamed into not eating.
	So I feel bad about that part of it.
	Only that part.
	Only that part.
	But I'm glad that you know, you know, you're in on the joke now.
	Perfect.
	Yes.
	Okay, good, good, good, good.
	So what does exactly weightlifting?
	Oh, boy.
	So what does that mean?
	Do you want to demonstrate me?
	You know what?
	Okay.
	I get the word, but like, what's the lifting part?
	I don't lift.
	That's all.
	Well, the weights, okay.
	So, so.
	I'm embarrassed.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	So basically, our word for, how do you say boobs in Korean?
	Bad or good one?
	Like the more polite one?
	Yes.
	Oh, kasam.
	Kasam.
	How do you say the less polite one?
	No, thank you.
	Okay, good, good, good, good.
	Okay.
	So the most polite way to say it in English is obviously the heavies, right?
	That's a polite way to say it.
	Yes, yeah, That's his way of saying it.
	It is polite.
	Because you're not saying it, you're just saying it's the heads, like the soup heavily.
	The heavies, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And then when we said the heavies, people put the weights because weights are heavy.
	Oh, okay, okay.
	That's intricate.
	Yeah, But now you know everything.
	Yep, I get it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, good.
	So do you still want to be here?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Actually, you did my story.
Eating Cockroaches and Rats 00:08:58
	This is the first time people made fun of me in person.
	Welcome to America, baby.
	She said, I love freedom.
	Now, I would like to kind of go over some of your life story for the people that aren't familiar with you.
	Is that cool?
	Yeah, totally.
	Okay, so you grew up in Calabasas, right?
	Next to the Kardashians.
	Next to the Kardashians.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, no.
	So you're born in North Korea.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's kind of wild.
	What was the city that you were born in?
	Haesan.
	Haesan.
	It's a northern part of North Korea.
	Northern part of North Korea.
	Okay, are you going there on the next tour?
	No, I don't think that we're, they don't do comedy shows there, do you?
	So I think that's the thing.
	Like in North Korea, I knew about comedy, but in comedy, they have to glorify the dictators, like the leaders in their comedy.
	You can do that.
	So I was like so shocked in America, people can make fun of everything or themselves or anything.
	Some people's entire act is making fun of leaders.
	Yeah.
	That's all they do is make fun of them.
	Well, there's a dinner that they have every year where you make fun of the president.
	And the president is there.
	And the president has to be there and then get made fun of in front of everybody in the president.
	And then get executed.
	No execution.
	Crazy, right?
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Some people say the reason Donald Trump ran for president is because he was made fun of at that dinner before he was president.
	And everybody was laughing at him.
	And he just said, all right, fuck it.
	I'm going to show you how easy this is.
	So is this a conspiracy theory or real?
	What is real?
	Do you know what I mean?
	What is real anymore?
	Okay, so you grow up there, and your life is incredibly difficult growing up there.
	I mean, even accessing food is incredibly hard, right?
	You had to eat grasshoppers.
	Grasshoppers.
	Dragonflies.
	Butterflies.
	Dragonflies.
	Dragonflies.
	Butterflies sounds kind of fun.
	Yeah, butterflies is a lot of fun.
	It actually sounds beautiful when you say it like that.
	What's your favorite insect?
	Like, if you had to rank them.
	We grasshoppers.
	Grasshoppers, right?
	Yeah.
	They are very chunky meat.
	And dragonflies, not much to eat.
	Not much there, right?
	Harder to catch, too.
	You know, we use a spider web, so we make a little round of wire and we go through a lot of spider webs.
	So we mix a lot of nets and then we catch them.
	With spider web?
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	So August is a dragonfly season, so we catch.
	Everybody's eating good in August.
	So you're like bears.
	You eat in August and then you just starve for the next week.
	It's funny enough.
	That's why we call it spring is a season of death.
	Wait, really?
	Because in spring, a lot of plants don't grow.
	It's not quite the time, you know, like this right now.
	February, March is the hardest.
	From April, at least there's a hope.
	We can find some bud or like food to find.
	Wow.
	Now, you also told that story on Rogan about eating the rats.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And then you saw even kids eating rats.
	Yeah.
	And then the rats eating the kids.
	I mean, unbelievable.
	This is a common occurrence to eat the rats or this is like, is there a month?
	What's unbelievable is like this to me right now.
	This is unbelievable.
	Yeah, it's like in North Korea, like we, it was, I couldn't fathom how can you not worry about finding food.
	Yeah.
	That was his daily life for us.
	Yeah.
	And like I had no clue words like this existed.
	Yes.
	And their problem was having too much food.
	Yes.
	That is the problem.
	That's his problem.
	Yeah.
	He has a big problem with that.
	I have certain things I just don't want to eat because I don't want to get so fat.
	That's what Americans were teaching me when I came to America.
	They're like, you need to watch out the food label and don't eat rice.
	I was like, did they tell you that right away?
	Because right away you probably needed the food.
	It's kind of a fantastic thing to do.
	You've been starving your whole life and they're like, well, don't eat too much.
	Yeah, well, she goes, yeah, yeah.
	In South Korea, they did feed us.
	So we had a nutritionist within government.
	So they would feed us.
	Initially, we cannot digest normal food like normal people.
	Wow.
	I mean, like the Holocaust survivors, you can give them steak.
	Yeah.
	Their stomach cannot process all that fat.
	Right.
	And so it's like that.
	So you need to start with a little bit of water and some sort and then increase the fat in the food.
	Yeah, I was listening to that podcast.
	You said that your first meal when you were in South Korea was eggs.
	That was the wildest thing that you could dream of.
	Yeah, board eggs.
	Yeah, but I do need to know because I grew up in New York City and there are tons of rats in New York City.
	Yep.
	Now, you also moved here, you went to school here.
	Yep.
	Were there ever times where you saw rats and you were like, you know, running back one time in Florida?
	Did you think about that at all just because it's old habit?
	You know what I mean?
	It's like.
	So I got intimidated by American rats because they were so much bigger than North Korean rats.
	So even though they get more food.
	Even the rats are fat here.
	Even the rats are obese.
	They're like size of like rabbits.
	Yeah.
	My mom and I.
	Yeah.
	We're like, my mom and I was like, the subway were like, is that a rat?
	It's a bunny almost.
	The different size rats.
	North Korean rats, like maximum is like this big.
	Oh, wow.
	They're very small.
	They cannot grow because we catch them before they become big, too.
	Yeah.
	Is there a way to prepare it?
	Like, is there like a dish?
	I mean, this honestly.
	Like, is there a way that you, what is the best rat dish?
	So, rat dish depends.
	Like, if the people have a lot of TB, turbulosis, right?
	Right.
	I mean, I had my sister, everybody in North Korea.
	Everybody gets TB.
	From malnutrition.
	Right.
	So in that case, we need to boil it.
	So we skin it and then get the intestines out.
	No way.
	And then we boil it until the bones become...
	I'm just imagining cooking those rats is crazy.
	Keep going, keep going.
	What are you doing?
	It's a delicacy.
	It's a delicacy, yeah.
	Are there any things you miss?
	Like, do you miss the grasshoppers?
	Would you consume any of that stuff now?
	Oh, hell no.
	Oh, wow.
	She doesn't have to eat anymore, but we're just saying.
	Maybe you miss it.
	No, nothing about that food I miss.
	I think now in America they keep saying how we need to eat insects to save the planet.
	Like, no way.
	You're joking me, you know?
	It's like, I would not want to go back.
	Yeah.
	So.
	There is a restaurant, I'm pretty sure, in Midtown that does insects.
	There's protein bars with crickets in them.
	It's like a Peruvian restaurant where they'll do like ant rice.
	And so there's rice with ants in it.
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	But there's a lot of places in the world that will eat like grasshoppers or chocolate-covered crickets or something like that.
	Yeah, chocolate covered.
	That's the point.
	That's what you guys need.
	Yo, you're right.
	Chocolate's doing the heavy lifting.
	Why do you guys do chocolate?
	You should have just done some chocolate in your chest.
	You want to send a to North Korea?
	Just ship them some Cadbury's.
	That's basically all you need.
	Yeah.
	Okay, okay.
	So the rats, that was pretty much it.
	Sometimes you do it.
	You said sometimes you do it boiled.
	Snakes, but snakes is common.
	There are people that eat snakes.
	But the rats is just the most wild thing.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	I think to us, because we're so used to like trying to get rid of them.
	You know, also like Western people have this huge fear of rats because it killed like a third of the human population.
	Okay.
	Have you heard of like the black plague or the bubonic plague?
	So there's probably like this little concern.
	I think to this day that shocks me is like what I remember eating cockroach.
	Yes.
	I think that I'm sure like nobody wants to like Dave Me right now.
	You're engaged though.
	You already.
	But cockroach we eat as a snack.
	And if you it's like if my friends, like they're boys, like they are faster.
	Cockroaches are faster, so they catch it.
	And then they show me how to eat it.
	If you flip their tummy, there's an insider like looks like a little grain in it.
	Looks like a brown rice grain.
	So that's the most delicious part in cockroach.
	Oh, really?
	You got to do a cooking show.
	This would be awesome.
	Yeah, you could be on the food network.
	This would be cool.
	That I'm not proud of.
	Because this guy, one time we were eating and there was a fly in his soup, like one small little mosquito, and he wanted the whole meal to be free.
	That's not true.
	No, he wanted the whole thing to be free because he said, eat it.
	I eat it.
	You don't eat it.
	You don't eat it.
	I don't care.
	If you found one little fly in your food, would you be like, oh, that's gross and throw it away?
	Leave it in.
	Totally.
	I mean, it's good for your immune system.
	Sometimes I survived.
	I have zero, zero allergy.
	You just keep it.
	Let me rush it.
	Do you have allergies?
	Like, no.
	What is that?
	Exactly.
	You don't have a word for allergy.
	Right.
	Yeah, because we eat everything.
Inside the Roach Tummy 00:14:51
	Oh, that's crazy.
	Okay, so you never complain when you go to restaurants.
	No.
	Never.
	If the quantity is not big enough, I complain.
	If it's not big enough?
	Oh, you want the American portions.
	If you're paying 80 bucks.
	Excess Bob.
	Yeah.
	Excess pies.
	If you're paying 80 bucks for a dish, you don't want one little bite.
	No, I hate that.
	That's a North Korean restaurant.
	They just give you one little bite of something?
	I don't want that.
	We don't have restaurants.
	Oh, yeah.
	But you don't have free market.
	But if you open one here, though, it could be good.
	Yeah.
	Now, what do you say when, like, okay, like, okay, let's continue on your story.
	So 13 years old, you find a way to basically escape to China, right?
	And you and your mother go.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You escape to China.
	How?
	By crossing a frozen river?
	Yeah.
	And it was so cold that the guards are down.
	Like, what is this situation?
	How do people stop the illegal immigration?
	So they're like every 10 meters, guards with machine guns.
	And now after Kim Jong-un came, he buried landmines and then put the electrified wire fences.
	And then facial recognition cameras from China put on the border.
	So now escaping from North Korea became impossible.
	But you were before this, right?
	I was right before that.
	It was still the like with the machine guns and guards every 10 meters.
	And they just didn't see you because it was dark?
	No, the people who, the lady was helping me, she was a broker.
	So she bribed the guards.
	That's why I didn't get shot.
	Okay, so she bribes the guards and then you and your mother get across and then immediately after getting across, your mother is sold.
	You told this story on Rogan.
	Yeah, so.
	Now, this is, I need to ask something.
	You were telling the story, and you said in the story, I need to know if you were just using this as like a vernacular, like we use it, or this is true.
	You said that your mother was sold to mentally retarded farmers.
	As a sex slave.
	No, no.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Your mother was sold to mentally retarded farmers, right?
	Now, were you saying that in terms of like we say, oh, they're mentally retarded, like people that are stupid, or they were actually, they were mentally ill people, like that.
	Actually, can't function.
	They cannot put their pants on.
	Like, you know, they like limp, like actual physically sick and in their head, also sick people.
	And they worked as farmers or they owned a farm or something like that?
	So they, the one, my mom was sold several times.
	So one time she was sold to this family and of course the son couldn't function.
	He was very disabled, but the parents had a farm.
	It was like, I think private.
	China privatized after Deng Xiaoping came.
	So they had their own farm.
	Holy shit.
	Family were.
	So she's immediately sold there.
	You also sold.
	So immediately she was raped.
	Oh, wow.
	And then they brought us together and then negotiating our price.
	And then they realized my mom was older, so they sold for like $65 for her.
	And then I was a child virgin of 13 and virgin.
	So they decided to sell me over $20.
	So sold me separately to a different broker.
	Oh my God.
	And this is all part of the person that was transporting you.
	She knew when she was transporting you that this would immediately happen on the other side.
	Yeah.
	So this is the cost of getting out.
	But the craziest thing is that I'm not hating her is because she sold her children the same way.
	Oh my.
	If I was not get sold into China, you would not see me because I've been dead in 2007.
	Yeah.
	You would not see me today.
	Oh my God.
	The only way you could survive is being sold as a sex slave.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	And she got executed for that after a few years later.
	Somebody told her?
	The authority caught her and then they executed her.
	Wow.
	And when they execute her, they also arrest eight generations of her family.
	Three generations, up to eight generations.
	Between three and eight.
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	Now, I know that your father was arrested earlier.
	And when he was arrested, did other people also get arrested with him?
	So there is two types of crime in North Korea called political crime and economic crime.
	So political crime is where what you do, you make fun of the president.
	Yeah.
	That kills eight generations of your wife.
	Generations.
	It's like literally one guy, the type of official escaped, more than 30,000 people got sent to prison camp.
	They did not even know they were related to that guy because they're so far out from in-laws of the in-laws and in-laws, right?
	One guy.
	Yeah.
	And it was for being critical of the president or criticized.
	He escaped to South Korea and then criticized the regime.
	So he criticized the regime over there and then they just scooped up his entire family.
	35,000 people that were related to him.
	And that's how they sent the message.
	Now, those people, they go to, you said there's three different types of prison care.
	There's the concentration camp.
	And then labor camp.
	Labor camp.
	And then one.
	Re-education camp.
	The re-education camp.
	The re-education camp is a bit less than two-year sentence.
	Prison camp is where my father sent over 10-year sentence.
	Political prison camp is a lifetime sentence.
	But when you go to political prison camp, you don't last more than three months.
	It's like Naji Germany means gas chamber.
	They worked you to death.
	They asked you to clean the debris of nickel weapon, those testing sites.
	That's why you...
	You get all the cancer, you get...
	Of course.
	They need all these people to keep testing nuclear weapons and then clean those debris afterwards.
	Oh, my God.
	You've been so outspoken.
	Did they go after your family?
	That's what I was going to ask.
	They did.
	They first put me on their killing lists.
	And I was informed by South Korea intelligence.
	And then they put all my families from both sides and denounced me as the puppet of lesson propaganda.
	Yes.
	And then they all disappear, which means concentration.
	Oh my God.
	Wow.
	Now, when you're in China, you have this unbelievable journey to get to Mongolia and then from Mongolia to South Korea.
	You have to cross the Gobi Desert.
	This is a 24-hour, when I was listening to the podcast, you said it was a 24-hour straight journey.
	It's negative 40 degrees.
	What are you wearing?
	How are you staying warm?
	Like, how do you prepare for this?
	Are you taking water?
	I'm trying to understand.
	You're going to freeze.
	Water is going to freeze.
	Your entire thing is all like ice.
	If you breathe, it becomes all like icicle.
	So that's the thing.
	I was rescued by missionaries.
	Yes.
	And they said you have to believe in miracles.
	Otherwise, you're not going to make this journey.
	The chance of surviving is 1%.
	So, but we don't have like gloves or gears or like paddings.
	Just some like thick jacket and then no gloves, no scarves, no hat.
	And so afterwards, we got everything frozen or our face took wire for us to heat our skin.
	Yeah.
	The missionaries that you said would make you like they would test you on the Bible.
	And if you didn't do well, they might not take you.
	Did they do that just so you would believe in miracles more strongly?
	Was that the idea?
	Do you know why?
	Because it seemed to me, I was like, yo, just rescue these people.
	Who cares how well they know the Bible?
	Right.
	So that's the thing.
	They believe that North Korean people cannot learn about the Bible because the Kims copy the Bible and brainwashed us in the same theology.
	And if people hear about God and Jesus Christ, you're going to know the same thing they're telling us.
	So in North Korea, if you read a Bible, you get executed.
	Wow.
	Yeah, it's like this is the biggest crime you can make in North Korea.
	So these Christians thought like they need to save North Koreans and let them know the gospel.
	So they rescued us and the price was us becoming Christians.
	And that's why we had to write down those psalms and memorize and testing and praying and fasting and a month of training.
	God would have just saved them, but that's fine.
	Wait a minute.
	And did they, are you still Christian?
	Yeah.
	Really?
	I became one after my son.
	I wasn't.
	I was an atheist for a long time.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	And having my son, like, why?
	This is a miracle.
	I had to become one.
	Okay, okay.
	So then you eventually get to South Korea from South Korea.
	You come over here, you study at Columbia, and now you've just gotten your citizenship.
	Bravo.
	American citizens.
	Okay, so we've got, you know, some life.
	We have tons of obviously questions.
	We're so curious.
	And I also want to talk about your new book and your old book.
	And we'll make sure that we plug everything.
	There.
	Okay, so many different things that I want to ask you about.
	Yeah.
	A million.
	I never write down like notes for a podcast.
	This is, these are the notes that I have.
	I need to know: okay, are there any nice parts of North Korea?
	Is there like an aspen?
	There are more than 2,000 private resorts for the Kim Jong-un.
	And in these private resorts, they are all pleasure squad members waiting for him to come visit.
	Pleasure squads.
	So these are youngers in North Korea.
	The officials have to find the youngers who look pretty.
	And then they, when they turn 16 or 17, they send them to Captain Pyongyang and train them to become...
	There are three groups in pleasure squad.
	The satisfactory group is where you perform in sex acts.
	And the other group is a happiness group where you learn how to massage the dictator or like give him the acupuncture like that.
	And the last group is a dancer and musicians.
	Magician.
	Music.
	The musician.
	Oh, I thought he liked magic.
	He doesn't like magic, but he likes the girls naked and dancing more than that.
	Yeah, yeah, most guys like the naked girls more.
	I really prefer David Blaine.
	Yeah.
	You like magic over.
	I mean, let's be friends after that.
	Yeah, right?
	Magic is so much more fun.
	Wow, okay.
	Now, okay, so the videos, sometimes there are these videos you see coming out of North Korea.
	Can, like, and they make North Korea look quite normal.
	It doesn't look rich, but it doesn't look as poverty stricken as people like you and others who have gone to, actually lived in North Korea say.
	What do you say about these videos?
	Are they all fit?
	Like, he'll bring up, is it all faked?
	Is it all orchestrated to like trick the West?
	Like, do you even recognize this place?
	It's Pyongyang.
	It's the capital of North Korea.
	Yeah, do you see that everything is a propaganda banner?
	There's no ad.
	All of these, oh, there's no advertisement.
	Nobody can get a glory other than dictatorship.
	What does that say that first time, banner?
	It's like, let's follow the party's order with everything that we have.
	So are these places propped up by the regime to look nice?
	Or are there some parts that are nicer and some parts that are more impoverished?
	So Pyongyang is like a, have you guys watched the Hunger Games?
	Yeah.
	So it's like North Korea, like that.
	There's a capital and there's other districts.
	So the capital looks nice.
	Yeah, because that's called the heart of North Korea.
	Heart of the regime is Pyongyang.
	So that's why Vijim says until we keep, as long as we can keep 10% alive, which is in Pyongyang, we are not going to do anything until other people die off from this starvation because it's easy to do socialism and you have less people.
	Oh.
	That's why they're starving us on purpose to let us die.
	Because it's less people to take care of.
	Not taking control.
	They don't take care of us.
	It's easy to control less population, right?
	And also if you are starving, you have no energy to fight back.
	Right, right.
	And they would be worried about these other places coming and obviously trying to create some sort of revolution.
	Yeah, so within North Korea, we have no freedom to travel to Pyongyang.
	Oh, I was going to ask you, have you ever been to Pyongyang?
	I've been before my father arrested.
	I've been once.
	Because before your father's arrested, life was not as good.
	He was a party member.
	Yeah, I had a relatively fine life for North Korean standards.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	Which means I had like food three times a day, still no electricity, no cars, no toys, still like two pairs of clothes, no shower, no sewage, no bathroom.
	I mean...
	Oh, and that was good for...
	No refrigerator, no washer.
	I mean, that was a good North Korean lifestyle.
	I was not dying from starvation.
	Yeah, because he was a party member.
	He was, I mean, six million of men are party members, so it's not that significant.
	Got you, gotcha.
	He was a party member, but still, yeah, better than most of, I guess, middle-class people.
	Wow.
	Okay, so that's why they'll let foreigners go to Pyongyang.
	Because it gives the perception like, oh, it's not as bad as people say.
	It's a Disney world.
	Exactly.
	Right?
	But the thing is, even within Pyongyang, remember that Otto Wongbeer from Virginia take the young man who got killed by the regime.
	Even as a tourist, when you go to North Korea, you cannot walk around freely.
	You're always accompanied.
	Absolutely.
	Even in your hotel, Mikanai, his crime was going to the wrong floor in his hotel by himself, not the guard.
	I'm not even pushing the floor.
	Yeah.
	I'm saying you push the floor.
	Yeah.
	I'm not even...
	Was there an elevator?
	Yeah, there's got a element of the colour.
	Yeah, there was in the hotel.
	Now, where is the money coming into North Korea in order to prop up a city like that?
	So first source is coming from selling weapons.
	They sell the nuclear strategy to Pakistan, Syria, those countries.
	How did North Korea get a nuke?
	They got the technology from the Soviet Union in the 60s, 70s.
	So they helped North Korea.
	And the Soviets were propping them up before China.
	Yeah, due to China.
	They were using North Korea as a buffer zone from South Korea, Japan, and America.
	Right, right.
	the Cold War, they kept North Korea to build the nukes.
	Okay, so they built the nukes, so they have the nukes, and that's their one, what we would call like a Trump card.
	Yeah.
	Not actual Trump, but it's a term, right?
	A Trump card, where it's just like, if they didn't have the nuke, most people would probably just go in there and do regime change or something like that.
	But the fact that they have the nuke, it's a very dangerous proposition.
	Right.
	Right?
	But even before the nukes, they would not go do anything there.
	So I don't think there's people interested in North Korea.
North Korea as a Buffer Zone 00:15:16
	I don't think the argument where there's no oil is a real thing, but just somehow, I don't think the world cared about human rights that much, even till this day, that they would like go in there and change the regime.
	Oh, I wasn't talking about even human rights.
	I was talking about like, for example, if I'm China, right?
	Do I really want someone who I don't trust who has nuclear weapons leading a country?
	Or do I want a puppet?
	Oh, China is so grateful because North Korea makes him look good.
	Yeah, it's like when a pretty girl has an ugly friend.
	Right?
	So you have to walk around with the ugly friend.
	So people go, oh my God, she's so ugly, you don't even notice.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, not even a pretty girl, like a medium girl with an ugly friend.
	Oh, because as long as we're talking about North Korea, we're not talking about what China is doing with the Uyghurs.
	Yeah, it's not as bad.
	Nothing is there comparable to what North Korea does, right?
	Oh, wow.
	So we're not going to talk about Chinese human rights abuses as much.
	Interesting.
	That's one reason why they want them to be there.
	Also, everything is under Chinese control.
	So that was the other thing that I heard you say.
	So China bought, I guess, the mineral rights and the mining rights for all of North Korea.
	They lent the land for 300 years.
	So basically, it's theirs.
	It's theirs.
	It's like we are caused by China.
	But not only that, North Korea has no oil by themselves.
	So they cannot, I mean, even test nukes without the oil.
	So China got that line for them.
	Because nobody in the world can give them the oil.
	Oh, that's right, because they're an embargo.
	So if they wanted to, they could just stop the oil.
	Stop the oil.
	Just one week, the regime collapses.
	So China's propping it up.
	Yeah, they don't let them.
	Even during the pandemic, they were in the dark in the black market.
	They would give him the oil behind the scenes.
	New York Times actually covered that up.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	That's interesting.
	I thought that they were just creating a buffer zone, which is quite common with countries.
	You want a little bit of like, it's very, it's similar to what's happening right now with like Russia and like Ukraine.
	Yeah.
	It's like, you know, Ukraine didn't join up with, what is it called? NATO.
	They didn't join up with NATO and then Russia was like, okay, there's a buffer right here.
	We don't have NATO on the doorstep.
	We got something.
	It might be like neutral.
	We don't know.
	And the second they talk about maybe joining up with NATO, it's like, nope, we're in there.
	We can't do it.
	But what you're saying is interesting.
	It's a publicity stunt almost.
	They're keeping this country impoverished, enabling the poverty.
	So people talk about the atrocities going on there instead of the atrocities going on in their country.
	Now, my question is, would the world care?
	It seems like we don't care what China does to their people in the same way we don't care what Saudi Arabia does to Yemen.
	Like, it seems like as long as we're getting something from them or we need something from them, that we just kind of look the other way with a civil rights situation.
	That's what I try to change right now.
	Yeah.
	To make people care.
	Because I think people don't realize how dangerous a threat is, really, right?
	What I'm afraid of is already there.
	North Korea is too big to fail.
	They're nukes.
	They have a capability of attacking actually mainland America.
	And while we are getting so destroyed with each other and fighting, infighting, everything, the enemies keep going.
	And their only goal is destroying America.
	North Korea's only goal is destroying America.
	Why do they hate us so much?
	Because this country stands up for freedom and human rights, individual liberty, and all the things that North Koreans cannot have.
	Our culture is very seductive and it kind of erodes the ideology of these totalitarian states.
	So as long as there is a free society exists, it's a threat to their ruling, right?
	People want to be like us and escape to America.
	We don't escape to North Korea.
	So that's why North Korean regime and Chinese regime understand that if they want to make this a norm, the dictatorships as a norm in the world, they need to destroy democracy.
	Yes.
	But even China has, I think, relaxed their policy on capitalism for sure, right?
	Now when it comes to control of the people, it got so bad.
	But even recently, the people protested the COVID regulations and then the government acquiesced.
	The government said, okay, fine.
	You guys want to go out there and get COVID?
	Go get some COVID.
	It's like the first time in like 100 years that this has happened where the government basically...
	Relented.
	Relented, yeah.
	Right.
	I think that was new about COVID.
	Like that people really fed up in China.
	But even till this day, like we have people trying to rescue North Koreans from China.
	You cannot get on a bus without your ID and government authorization.
	You cannot go to the next town without going through a checkpoint.
	And it became everything is an isolated prison within China, like North Korea.
	I also think that, and this speaks to the North Korea, why it's so much more difficult to do in North Korea.
	I think that China has a much bigger middle class.
	And I think when you have a much bigger middle class, they have more power in a revolution.
	And North Korea does not have that at all.
	And we don't have zero middle class.
	Zero.
	Oh, wow.
	Question about COVID.
	Did COVID go through North Korea?
	Yeah, it did.
	And a lot of people were infected?
	A lot.
	And how did it transmit into the country?
	Do you know?
	It had to be China because they were the only trading partner.
	And then COVID is from China.
	But it was through trading that people actually got sick.
	Nobody really knows.
	But North Korea did have COVID.
	Oh, interesting.
	How do you still get information of what's going on in North Korea?
	So that's a big operation.
	Like, literally, so funny, when I talk to my North Korean brokers, we have to talk about sugar and candy.
	It's all about, you know, what's how we try to rescue some people.
	So North Korea has no internet.
	They don't have international service.
	So we need to smuggle a Chinese phone through the border to North Korean border.
	Then it's closed.
	The region is so close.
	They have the Chinese reception.
	So from America, we call Chinese number.
	But the border North Korean agent, they can accept the call.
	And sometimes the FaceTiming.
	But the government, North Korean government jams and watches and listens to all the scores.
	So we need to go deep in mountain in the bike to the 30-second core.
	So on the bike in their hoodie, and they talk for 30 seconds.
	And then about what we want to know, like how things are going, like, you know, what we want to get out of North Korea.
	Then they need to go several miles and do another call.
	It takes an interesting mission, act of Congress to make a one phone call to North Korea.
	Unbelievable.
	Yeah.
	I'm not familiar with the geography that much, but are there places where they can access water and then like take the ocean?
	Some people do.
	Like in Cuba, for example, that's how people obviously get here.
	They'll just make a boat.
	You cannot do that in North Korea.
	There's a police, even the ocean is seared by the guards.
	The entire ocean.
	Whole country is a prison camp.
	Entire country is seared by the regime.
	It's a prison camp.
	Entire thing is.
	So some people swam for 15 days to Japan.
	What?
	Literally swam.
	A son and father miraculously swam in the freezing winter, like end of October, that's North Korean winter.
	They somehow survived.
	Wow.
	Escaped to Japan and South Korea, yeah.
	Wow.
	And what do the other countries in the region think about this?
	Do they talk about it all?
	Are they concerned about it all?
	Is Japan concerned about what people in North Korea are going through?
	Like I'm trying, do they have empathy for it?
	Or is it, I don't know, is there like a kind of like lasting impasse where they kind of look the other way?
	So they do have a sympathy with Japanese, but they're more scared because whenever North Korea attacks nucleus, it goes above them.
	Oh, it can drop on.
	That's right.
	Yeah, they've already gone through that once.
	Oh, right.
	So that's their real problem they actually have.
	You can just drop on them.
	And anytime North Korea shoots a missile.
	Now, you also said South Koreans look down on North Koreans.
	Yeah.
	That was kind of surprising to me.
	I thought there would be a lot more sympathy for what they have to go through.
	Can you talk about that?
	I think this is where Americans don't know how other countries are so racist.
	How exceptional America is.
	Yeah, in South Korea, they discriminate literally all the people come from poor countries.
	That includes, I'm so sorry, India, Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, and North Korea, too.
	We are very poor.
	And they look up to people coming from the Western European countries who are white.
	And so, yeah, even though we speak the same language, we have same genetics, same history, we are the same Korean, they just discriminate us because we are coming from a poor country.
	Do they have any funny jokes about you guys?
	Oh my God, I mean, a lot of stereotypes.
	Okay, good, good, Super heavy.
	I know.
	So South Korea is a democracy and free market, so they need to be competitive.
	So they have a saying about the communists, North Koreans don't work hard as much as they do, or they are not as competitive.
	They don't understand capitalism.
	And then they are not trustworthy.
	Not trustworthy.
	Because we believe that all the propaganda, so we can worship Kims, right, in front of camera.
	So they think like, oh, they don't care that we have to do that to protect our families.
	They just lie in front of camera and worshiping dictator like that.
	Oh, so they think you'll believe anything.
	Yeah.
	So those kind of things.
	So it's very hard to get a job in South Korea as a North Korean defector.
	I mean, I will be honest, there are some things that they say about Kim.
	No, not Kim Jong-un, Kim.
	Kim Jong-il?
	Jung-il.
	There are some things that are pretty wild.
	That guy's amazing.
	He's done apparently a lot of really amazing things that apparently has been propaganda in North Korea, that he's achieved all these records, that he's an amazing golfer.
	Were you told these things when you were there?
	And one thing that I still remember from my math class teacher.
	I'm not being rude.
	I'm looking up the things I wrote about is that at Columbia University, professors are saying how math is racist, right?
	It's made up by white men, the science, biology made up by white men.
	I thought it was Muslims.
	I thought it was Arabs made up by Arabic numbers, right?
	Really?
	Yeah.
	But now they blame white men.
	They think the white men just like made up the gender.
	I mean, we perfected it.
	Yeah, we made it.
	We made it.
	It's really good.
	You know what I'm saying?
	But Asians are still the best at it, so I don't understand that.
	Asians are really good at it.
	So Kim Jong-il apparently as a child realized, so the teacher asked me, Yumi, what's one plus one?
	What do you say?
	Two.
	Say two.
	Yeah.
	And my teacher can know, my dear later discovered, if you add one drop of water on top of another drop of water, what does it become?
	It becomes a bigger one.
	That's how he proved the math was made up by the white man.
	Wow.
	Yeah, that guy holds up.
	That's good.
	That's good.
	That's kind of a good point.
	He sounds like a wife.
	Yeah.
	I got it on his side.
	I don't know.
	That adds up for me.
	Okay, can I ask you some of these things, and you tell me if these are true.
	About Kim Jong-un.
	Okay.
	That Kim Jong-il learned to walk at eight weeks.
	Oh, wow.
	I mean, that's what they say, but I mean, it's got to be, I am a mother.
	That's impossible.
	Eight weeks, you cannot do that.
	You can't even crawl.
	Your kid's not Kim Jong-il.
	I know.
	I mean, you never know.
	Kim Jong-il played golf.
	He shot 38 underpart, including 11 holes in one.
	Do you know what North Koreans thought when we read that?
	That the holes in one were from the sexuality.
	What's golf?
	Yeah.
	Because we don't have golf for the commoners.
	You didn't know what golf was.
	So it made sense.
	He's horse.
	He's good at golf.
	But it's also like he's bragging about stuff that people don't even know what he's bragging about.
	I was like, what's golf?
	I actually like that one that he's not.
	He said, oh, I only got 11 holes in one.
	He didn't go everywhere.
	Yeah, he wasn't even.
	He could have said it.
	He wasn't too ridiculous.
	Yeah, it's like when you cheat on a test and you get some of them wrong, you just kind of throw them off.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Kim Jong-il invented the hamburger.
	Oh, wow.
	He called it the double bread with meat.
	That guy is good with names.
	He's like Seinfeld.
	Like, very creative when you're naming things.
	Very good, very good with the naming.
	I mean, that's what they do.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, never had a hamburger, so I don't know.
	Again, he's saying that he's inventing things that you guys don't even know what the hell it is.
	You have no idea what that is.
	You're like, of course you did, buddy.
	Who would eat meat between bread?
	Right?
	Yeah, you get executed for eating beef in North Korea.
	Now, he didn't say he invented the cricket sandwich.
	Right.
	Then you guys were like, no, you didn't.
	Yeah, you were inventing that uncle's on.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Okay, so some of these are kind of reasonable.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Kim Jong-il's birth saw a new star be created and turn winter into spring.
	Oh, wow.
	Now, now, what day was he born?
	If he was born on the solstice, that's when winter turns into spring.
	He was born February 16th.
	Oh, Black History Month.
	It's almost his birthday.
	Black History Month.
	His birthday is the day of shining stars here.
	Exactly.
	There's a big celebration.
	So his father supported the day of the sun.
	The day of sun.
	He's the universe, right?
	And he gave his son, who's like, Jesus Christ, that's Kim Jong-ir, the day of the shining stars.
	The day of the shining star.
	The great general.
	Oh, he's just the Jesus.
	He's just emotion.
	That's a big step down.
	You go from Jesus to general.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Yeah, because they ran out of Bible story.
	Because the Bible, in Jesus, when he was born, there are stars showing the source material random.
	Rainbows like showing.
	They get like fan fiction and stuff.
	Plus, if he was God, he probably wouldn't be so fat.
	You know, he would just make himself skinny.
	Well, it depends.
	You guys have fat gods.
	Yeah.
	The Buddha's Buddha's extremely fat.
	Okay.
	Kim Jong-un invented comedy on YouTube and subtitling clips.
	What?
	Wow.
	We don't have internet, so that we would not know.
	Okay, that might be fair.
	Okay, okay, okay, that's good.
	Kim Jong-un played Jay Williams in an exhibition game and won seven six.
	I have no idea who Jay.
	I really heard of him.
	Again, I'm just throwing these things out.
	I keep confusing him with a dictator of Soho.
	Oh, it might be the case.
	It might be the case.
	Kim Jong-un loves Adderall, thinks it's the best drug ever for the most fun having time.
	I heard he loves cognac and Swiss cheese.
	What is cognac and Swiss cheese?
	Cognac.
	Yeah, corn.
	Cognac.
	That's crazy.
	And Swiss cheese.
	Yeah.
	He drinks 13 bottles of wine each night.
	That's why he's so fat.
	Whoa.
	Yeah.
	So cognac, Swiss cheese, and wine.
	Yeah.
	And he's just getting massages all day.
	He's like one of those waggies.
	Oh, yeah.
	Kobe Beef.
	Kobe Beef.
	Yeah, he's like Kobe Beef.
	So they picked this beautiful girl to massage the cow that he eats.
	That's literally one of the pleasure squad tasks.
	So the girls have to be beautiful just to massage the cow.
	Yeah, they don't use a tool.
	They have to hand massage a cow for their leader to take.
	That's better than massaging them.
Kim Jong-un's Drug Habits 00:05:59
	It's so much harder.
	Wouldn't you rather rub down the cow?
	Totally.
	But what are the least of human talent?
	Well, we don't know.
	They're kind of like that.
	They're talented.
	Okay, they're talented.
	They're talented.
	Oh, oh, oh.
	Human engineering is just wasted.
	That is true.
	The 25 million people like South Koreans have the same capability, same IQ.
	North Korea is one of the highest IQ by nation in the world.
	Did Kim Jong-il say that?
	No, it's world ranking.
	Oh, that's a world-ranking.
	Yeah, it's actually legit ranking.
	And that's why they built a nuke saying Biden calls North Korea.
	Kim Jong does not call him back.
	Whoa!
	He will not return the call for seven months.
	Left him along.
	I was begging to hear from Kim Jong-un.
	He was just not calling back.
	I mean, what country can do that to America?
	Seriously.
	That Biden can call and they don't call him back?
	Yeah.
	Shit, I don't know.
	Saudi Arabia is the only other one.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	But it takes 30 seconds to make a phone call.
	He's got to go up a mountain.
	There's bad self-service.
	Kim Jong-un has a call.
	That is a really good point that you were just making.
	Okay, this is the last one.
	North Koreans believe Japan stole time from them during the 1919 occupation.
	Kim Jong Il or Un restored the time by moving it back a half an hour in 2015.
	So.
	Try to be un, right?
	It is, I think, is logit.
	They keep changing history.
	That's the thing we did, like North Korea.
	They always say one day this is our one I mean, tomorrow is that our enemy, you know?
	They just keep training history, but North Korea has their own time zone.
	They have their own calendar.
	They have their own race.
	I'm not an Asian.
	I'm Kim Ir-sung race.
	That's what they do.
	I never see the map of the world.
	They don't tell me I'm Asian.
	But can't you also be Asian?
	I don't know what Asia is.
	They don't show us a map.
	You don't have a map.
	You don't know what the world looks like.
	Let me tell you something.
	You're Asian.
	I know that for a fact.
	But you could also be part of his race if he wants it.
	That's what it says.
	And then our calendar begins when Kim Mir-sung was born.
	So we don't know what Christ is.
	We don't know what the BC or AD any historical facts.
	The world begins when he was born.
	That's how everything got created.
	Wow.
	That's wild.
	Oh, because he's Christ.
	So, yeah, there's a just say one.
	That's their own calendar.
	Oh, that's so nice.
	That's day one.
	Unbelievable.
	It's a different planet.
	Literally.
	Do you remember when you first met a black guy?
	Yeah, in South Korea.
	Oh, in South Korea?
	I did not know what black was.
	So what did you think?
	So human.
	Be honest.
	If you had a puss, you would have moved it.
	No, that's the thing.
	I literally had no idea about race.
	So when you see a black guy for the first time, did you ask someone?
	Was it like the, you've heard of what happened with the Native Americans when the boats came and they claimed that?
	I didn't know Native Americans were, right?
	Like, I did not know what Jews fucking idiots.
	I did not know anything about Jewish.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So literally when I met my friend, Casey, I just became friends.
	And then several years ago, we became friends, and he was like, oh, I'm a black.
	He's like, what do you mean you're black?
	He's like, I'm black.
	Did you not know?
	Like, I guess so.
	But when you looked at them, you were like, you look different.
	Not really.
	Hold on one second.
	Yeah.
	Because the reason why we're asking, because I remember you saying the first time you saw white people, you thought we all looked the same.
	You do.
	Yeah.
	We do.
	Black people look all the same too.
	I'm telling you.
	That's what I'm telling you.
	I'm sorry.
	Indians look all the same.
	We say the same a lot of you.
	They do.
	They do.
	Now, Asian people, when you look at Asians, do you think you guys look the same?
	As though you're different.
	No.
	No, because I'm holding on.
	Hold on, hold on.
	No, because this blew my mind.
	You said you had 65 different nationalities in China.
	And my first question was, how do you know?
	Most of them are Han Chinese.
	90% of them are Han.
	Can you see when you see a Han walking?
	Can you see?
	90% of Han, where I was like old Han.
	But what I'm saying is, when you see them, the way that they walk, do you know?
	Yeah.
	No, how they dress, I know.
	You know how they dress?
	Or how their features, face features.
	Okay, so you can see you can look at a Han and be like, oh, that's a Han, right?
	That's Chinese.
	Okay.
	I know that's Chinese.
	Okay, where is this Asian from, right?
	This is great.
	Yeah, but we played this game before.
	Where is this Asian from?
	China, Thailand, or Vietnam?
	He's China, Thailand, Vietnam.
	Okay.
	His diaries is he does not look Chinese.
	Maybe Thailand or Vietnam.
	What is that shirt he's wearing?
	So is that mice?
	Are you hungry?
	Calm it down.
	Calm down over here.
	All right, final answer, Thailand.
	I'm going to go with Vietnam.
	Wow.
	Vietnam?
	China!
	We got a conversation.
	All right, Schultz, this one's for you.
	This one's for you, Andrew.
	Which one?
	What do you think?
	She's from.
	Oh my God.
	Hold on, this is one.
	Okay, you go for it.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I got a guess.
	Okay, I don't know what that thing she's wearing on her head is.
	What is that?
	I'm going to say, I'm going to go Malaysia.
	That was my guess.
	Let me say that's for me.
	I know Asian.
	All right, so you're winning.
	I said you're winning.
	What is this?
	Oh, I know this.
	He knows.
	India, Nepal, or Maldives?
	Now, is he, what is that right here?
	What do you think he's talking about?
	Gang signs.
	Oh.
	Among the grips.
	Amongst the career.
	Okay, you're going India?
	Yeah.
	Okay, let's see it.
	All right, that's correct.
	All right.
	That's North Korea.
Guessing Her Origin Story 00:08:07
	I mean, I can see that's North Korea.
	That's how I looked like I had to have the haircut.
	You think that's Korea?
	Yeah.
	Oh, wow.
	North Korea.
	Okay.
	Oh, that's Mongolia all day.
	Yeah.
	Son, I did not know that.
	Oh, come on, dude.
	Those cheekbones.
	Are you ready for harder questions?
	No, okay, back.
	Okay, back.
	So you're meeting black people, you think they all look the same.
	You meet white people, you think they all look the same.
	But Asians, you know, look very distinct, very different.
	Yeah, culturally very different.
	Our mannerisms are different.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Now, first time you met gay people, what was that like?
	So that's like in my book I wrote it.
	I gave a speech in San Francisco.
	Yep.
	And at the end of the day, the host came and gave me a hug.
	Yeah.
	And then I was like, so stirred.
	I got still very conservative.
	We don't have hugging culture in South Korea.
	And like, he's like.
	Wait, you don't?
	No, we don't.
	We don't even do handshake.
	Other genders.
	Very conservative.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Oh, sorry.
	I gave you a hug.
	I love that.
	But he's like, don't worry, darling.
	I'm gay.
	I didn't know what that was.
	So I go to my hotel that night and I googled gay.
	And that's the images section is probably crazy.
	Did you do videos?
	No, just definition of gay.
	Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I think that was very, it took some time for me to understand.
	Because we don't have a vocabulary gay in North Korea.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, we don't.
	What do you call Kim Jong-un?
	Because I like, you know, how when Rodman comes over and like they.
	Yeah, isn't Kim Jong-un gay?
	No, he's very straight.
	But he has all these like basketball players come over.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he's a friend.
	He loves party.
	He loves basketball.
	That's where he grew up, didn't he?
	Yeah.
	I mean, if you could fly anyone around the world to North Korea to hang out with you, you'd be a big, strong guy with a.
	Yeah.
	You know, you don't think?
	Maybe.
	I'm just saying.
	Maybe it's possible, you know?
	I heard his brother is gay.
	Oh, he runs into the family.
	Kim Jong-to is definitely gay.
	Oh, for sure.
	I know that, but what about Kim Jong-un?
	They're all good.
	He's a very ladies' man.
	You think so?
	He has a lot of mistresses and keep hopping.
	And yeah, he's fitting to ladies.
	As far as I know, yeah.
	Okay.
	But his brother is definitely gay.
	Maybe that was a matching of his brother.
	Wait, is the brother the one that he killed?
	No, no, no, no.
	That's a different brother from a different wife.
	Kim Jong-un had four wives, main wives, not including all these other harems.
	Oh, wow.
	So from four wives to Kim Jong-un coming from third wife.
	The first wife, the legit first son, that's the one who got killed in Malaysia because he had the actual legit authority to take the throne.
	Oh, so he had to get rid of the authority to protect himself.
	Yeah.
	Oh, wow.
	His son is in America.
	American?
	Yeah.
	America CIA went and rescued him.
	When Kim Jong-un- So we have Kim Jong-un-son.
	Kim Jong-nam-son, the first, the grandson of Kim Iir-seung, the first son we have in America.
	Have Koreans thought about mixing it up with the Kim name a little bit?
	South Koreans or North Koreans?
	Both.
	It's a lot of Kim, right?
	First of all, Skims, yeah.
	Yeah, it's a lot of Kim.
	Why is that?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I guess Swiss is not as creative.
	I don't know.
	Why is that?
	I don't know.
	Now, I do have to ask a question.
	You are married.
	You had a kid.
	Yeah.
	And then you got divorced.
	Now, what is more difficult?
	North Korea or marriage?
	You're talking to married guys here.
	I'm married.
	I forgot my ring.
	Yeah.
	Freedom.
	Marriage is beautiful.
	I mean, I love marriage.
	Yeah, I believe in marriage.
	I believe in family.
	But it's tough.
	It can be tough.
	Oh, nothing comparable to North Korea.
	It's never been a matter of time.
	You were in with my wife, you know what I mean?
	And we've been arguing.
	And in that moment, I'm like, you know?
	I'd have a rat burrito instead of doing this, you know?
	But you have freedom to divorce in North Korea.
	You have no freedom to divorce.
	That's true.
	That's a good point.
	Look at me.
	I use that freedom already.
	Don't leave me hanging.
	So anyway, was he a little bit upset that you were being so free?
	Because he probably was like, I got this one.
	She's not going anywhere.
	He's an American bastard.
	He's a white American.
	She's a soft thing.
	She's a soft king.
	I don't think you're about how good they are.
	Oh, really?
	I mean, white people have the guilt, right?
	Always.
	You white people.
	You white people with your guilt and bad.
	These white people.
	You guys are okay.
	You guys are weird.
	We're a little bit weird.
	So he just felt bad all the time.
	He was just guilty.
	No, no, no.
	He's a great guy.
	Just...
	A little weird looking.
	Exactly.
	A little bit.
	Just a little bit.
	He's an amazing man for my son.
	Yes, he's very grateful for him, yeah.
	And you guys still have a good relationship?
	Very amicable.
	Okay, and then now you're engaged again?
	I'm engaged again.
	Hot item on the street.
	Now, who's this guy?
	Who's this one?
	What is dating like?
	We need to learn about these guys.
	We have to help you with these decisions.
	We have to protect you.
	You're a heavy queen.
	So we have to make sure that you're with the right guy.
	You like the coffee with some heavy queens.
	I met him on Bumble.
	On Bumble?
	Yeah, so during the pandemic in Chicago, I couldn't go anywhere.
	So my gay friend, who's my stepbrother, said, darling, you need to go get lazy.
	Wait, your gay friend is your stepbrother?
	Yeah.
	How does that?
	Yeah, I'm doing the math.
	Yeah, so he wanted to adopt me, but I was too big, so he could not adopt me.
	So we became like stepsister, stepbrothers since then.
	So see, I'm not a bigot.
	They keep saying I'm a white wing and conservative.
	I'm like, I'm liberal, classically liberal, like seriously.
	100%.
	I get divorced, seriously.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Women's rights.
	I thought that conservative.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, this is good.
	So what does your bumble account look like?
	Yeah, how come you're not on Raya?
	Lots of questions.
	I was on Raya.
	Guys were so like creative types.
	Yeah, you know.
	And I'm very like classical.
	I like more like conservative men.
	I like the man who asked me out formally.
	Like, I did not know going dinner was means date.
	Oh, what did you think it was?
	Dinner.
	Didn't come true?
	No, but she's like, I was dinner.
	And then they tried, like, may I kiss?
	Like, what the heck are you doing?
	Like, I was so surprised.
	Because we were just from another dinner.
	I was like, can I just kiss you?
	She was like, no.
	I was like, oh, I thought you knew this was a date.
	Like, no, I didn't.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	This is actually really fun.
	So you met on a dating app?
	No, no, no, just generally, like, you meet people at the conference.
	They say, oh, do you want to grab some dinner sometimes?
	Like, okay, that's a good idea.
	We grab a dinner and they say, can I kiss you at the end of the day?
	Yes.
	And I did not know dinner meant to date in America.
	Now, here's a question.
	Have you ever gone on a few dates with a guy and he didn't kiss you and then you started to get angry and you had to become the empowered woman that you are and you had to go get that?
	No, luckily, this was my first guy from the first person that I met on Bumble.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	So, and then other times when I was on the app, they were like, is this really Yomi Park?
	She's married.
	You got to be like lying.
	You cannot do that.
	Like, yeah, I got divorced, but Wikipedia, I didn't get updated as fast as they could.
	So even though I was like faking it.
	So they were like, you cannot do that.
	You cannot lie about your identity.
	You don't believe you forever, anything.
	I don't believe people at all here.
	Okay, so you go on a date with your fiancé.
	Yeah, new partners.
	Where does he take you for the date?
	We went to Chicago during the pandemic in the minus 27 circuits.
	On a date, you went there?
	No, because everything looked closed.
Dating During the Pandemic 00:06:39
	Yeah.
	And then guys was like, do you want to come to my place?
	Like, hell no.
	I'm not going to meet you.
	It was like, everything's closed.
	So like, then let's meet outside the tent in the snowy, freezing Chicago.
	So we met that.
	And then he found warmer restaurant with a tent up outside because of the pandemic, everything closed.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So we met at the restaurant.
	Now, is it difficult for a guy to complain about his life to you?
	Like, you know, I love complaining about my life to my wife.
	Ah, today was difficult, you know what I mean?
	The bill was late.
	You know what I mean?
	I stubbed my toe.
	Does a guy feel uncomfortable complaining to you after what you've been through?
	So my current fiancé's complaint is I'm too soft on men so much.
	You were kids.
	He's too sympathetic to men.
	Really?
	So he's not used to like women keeps empathizing.
	Look at the actual data, men are struggling.
	Women, the modern economy, modern society is designed for women than men, actually.
	It's better for girls graduating from school, getting an office job, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And I'm worried as a mother of son, like it's going to be harder for him.
	And I think it's the first time he met somebody who's worrying about men's hardship in life.
	Oh, wow.
	So I think I'm very sympathetic.
	Why do you think men are struggling?
	I think they're genetically, I mean, nothing's wrong with it.
	Even I observe my son, his communication skills is not as developed as a girl's.
	The speed is different, the maturity is different.
	He's like, fine, model skills is different.
	The ability to sit down and focus is like not as good as girls.
	It takes a while for them to mature up.
	And they have different, I mean, I mean, hormones.
	Men and women are different.
	I don't know why this is such a big opinion in America right now.
	But culturally, why do you think that there's a struggle for young men?
	It does seem like that's a part of a conversation right now that a lot of people are having and some people are reluctant to have.
	So this is funny, I had a previous agent and they were asking me, Yumi, why don't you write a book about how hard it is to be a woman?
	How horrible the world is that run by men.
	And I'm like, my father died from this dictatorship.
	Like the men are equally even more affected by these hardships.
	Not just women.
	It's not that men are a problem, but I think current somehow narrative in America is that men are evil.
	They are toxic.
	Because of the politicians are men.
	We have war, we have poverty, we have inequality.
	So it's hard when the world is literally against you.
	You know, they keep telling you everything about you is toxic.
	Yeah.
	I mean, how can you be sane even?
	Yeah, I think a lot of times what happens is that we see toxicity exist within power structures and then we look for a blame, which are the people that are in power.
	And if the people in power look a certain way or they're of one gender, we ascribe that blame to that gender, to their looks.
	Yeah.
	That's a definition of racism and I mean justice.
	100%.
	They are doing that literally to men.
	It's so sad.
	Yeah.
	And I think that we would probably do it to women if women were in power and if it was white people.
	These days, I mean, you guys can like in South Korea, the women like the office, like, okay, we don't have a good environment for us to cry and be emotional about things.
	So if a guy is like, if I look at your eyes, it's too confrontational.
	If I look at your chest, it's like I'm sexually harassing.
	You did look at my chest just right now.
	Okay, I mean, you're a man.
	I can't.
	I haven't looked at your chest one time.
	I just wanted to say that.
	For guys, it's like walking on an ice share.
	Like, anything they do can be a problem.
	So I think we are less forgiving to men, especially white men.
	It's so sad.
	Like, my son, he's not going to ever be...
	Nobody's going to be compassionate to him because he's half Asian, half white.
	So screwed.
	Do you think that he'll get half compassion?
	You think there'll be some compassion for him being Asian?
	They say that Colombia is talking about the real oppression, how people are still enslaved, that slavery never ended.
	And yes, of course, Black Lives Matter and every lives matter.
	I hope you don't mind saying that.
	But I don't know.
	You got the parents.
	Yeah, North Korean lives matter.
	You know what I mean?
	She's talking about all lives.
	But they say that you don't know oppression because you're a white passing person.
	To your kid, they would say.
	To me.
	Oh, to you.
	Yeah, they say I don't know.
	I don't think you're white passing, I gotta be honest.
	But that's why people keep adding shading and bronzes and to make me look more ton, actually.
	So you're like, darker is better.
	And look at you.
	I'm like, seriously.
	I was robbed two years ago in Chicago during the BLM test.
	I got robbed by several black women.
	And as you can see, I'm like below 80 pounds.
	I'm much smaller than these girls.
	Now, I was still very small.
	They're punching me.
	They took my wallet out of me.
	Whoa.
	In front of my son.
	And then I was trying to call police on them.
	Obviously, anybody do, and they get robbed.
	People on the street circle me and then screaming at me that I'm a racist.
	Because I'm going to call a cop on these thieves.
	You did say they all look the same to you, so maybe you just got the wrong person.
	I mean, this lady punched me.
	Like, I had a video of her.
	You're only looking out of one eye at that point, John.
	On my chest, took the heavies.
	That's what I'm doing.
	Oh, maybe they're swollen still.
	Exactly.
	She hasn't gone down yet.
	See, even she wanted them too.
	That's the thing.
	That is the thing.
	Are we victim blaming?
	We might be victim blaming.
	Yeah.
	That's really what it is.
	Okay, so those black women were trying to steal your heavies.
	They did.
	I mean, yeah, they punched it and they took my wallet away.
	And then they spend like 15 grand on the ballooning there.
	And then the police got the video footage of them using my credit card, so we caught it.
	So I processed, I mean, I was doing a goal with the process.
	I felt bad for her, but it was almost like, you know, you cannot commit a crime.
	Yeah, why would you feel bad for the person who's just Bloomingdale's is not food.
	But then she actually had 15 charges already.
	Oh, wow.
	And then people are saying there was like actual revenge crime is a huge thing in Chicago.
	They just come back out of prison and shoot you.
	Oh, wow.
	All these figures, like, oh my God, I cannot be in Chicago.
	I'm so known already, they can't find my location.
	So you had to move.
	Yeah.
	Immediately.
	And then you left.
	While she was in prison, we got here.
	And while she was in prison?
	Yeah, she had a year and a half on her.
	Because my charge was not even a thing.
	She had way more crazy stuff she did.
	So they dropped all my charges and just gave one sentence.
	That was like a year and a half.
	Wow.
	Now we got crazy people in New York, too.
	I know.
Prison, Drugs, and Moving On 00:07:01
	America is kind of wild, right?
	Chicago, New York is wild.
	SF, LA, like Seattle, the big left cities is very wild.
	You think they're more wild?
	But what about down south?
	It's also kind of crazy down south.
	I was studying Bible in the South, I remember.
	I mean, I was just in Texas, just like yesterday.
	Florida.
	Florida is kind of crazy, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	So like the most crazy American stories, they usually come from Florida.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, the best stories.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm from Florida.
	It's like the North Korea.
	It's the North Korea of America in a lot of ways.
	In a lot of ways, very dangerous.
	No, I mean, basically, there's just a lot of headlines that will come out of Florida where it's like, Florida man does crazy thing, you know, kills an alligator with his teeth.
	And then it'll make the headlines and everyone looks at Florida and says that we're all stupid, even though we're not.
	You guys are the free state right now.
	I mean, I want to move to Florida.
	That's my dream state.
	Thank you.
	Really?
	Really?
	Yeah, I cannot move because of the custody issue.
	Because the what?
	My ex does not want to move.
	Oh, the custody.
	We have 50-50 shared custody.
	That doesn't feel very free.
	That feels restricted.
	No, I mean, what do we do?
	I think your child.
	Your son is a socialist.
	A dictator.
	Your son's a communist.
	Does it make you understand dictators a little bit when you have a situation like this?
	Like, you know what I'm saying?
	Now you have the rule of law, so now you're restricted.
	But if you were a dictator, you could be like, we're going to Florida.
	Yeah, I mean, this is a good law.
	It's a good law, but at the same time, you got to live here.
	It's not that bad compared to India, but like a flaw.
	I mean, you guys are here.
	We went to Florida too.
	We were there for like four months.
	It was great.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It was fantastic.
	It was a lot of fun.
	It's a great place.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Not a lot of Asians, to be honest with you.
	That's true.
	There's almost no Asian.
	Which part of Miami.
	Miami's.
	Yeah, yeah.
	A lot of Hispanic, I guess.
	They're all Cuban-speaking right here.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Some would say too many.
	No?
	No.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	In North Korea, did they drink alcohol?
	They do, but it's like homemade.
	They make their own.
	It's like very strong.
	And so when you come to America, do you drink alcohol now?
	I started drinking when I was going through the divorce.
	That's a good time to start.
	I did not drink until that point, so I became very into wine now.
	You like the wine?
	Yeah, yeah.
	What about things like weed?
	Like a lot of people in America smoke weed, but I'm sure in North Korea it's not common.
	Would that be interesting?
	Would you try that?
	So I'm so sorry, but even if my son watches, he's okay.
	He's a five, he's not wrong.
	But I did, I saw the once.
	It doesn't do anything.
	The weed didn't affect you at all.
	It doesn't do it.
	Really?
	Yeah, you gotta hit it again.
	I had a friend who's Singaporean.
	Do you know Melissa Chan?
	Yes, I did.
	So she knows.
	She told him like, this, like, MDMA, LSD, or you.
	No, she's like, that doesn't do anything to her.
	So I tried the weed.
	It doesn't do anything.
	But I did MDMA therapy.
	Oh, I did something to do.
	Therapy.
	He's a therapist.
	I'm sure therapy.
	I did.
	I did a video therapist, actually.
	And it's awesome, isn't it?
	It's amazing.
	It's crazy.
	We should all do something.
	What happened?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Break it down.
	Break it down.
	I mean, I met my father again.
	Wow.
	Like, yeah, he came back and explained everything to me.
	Wow.
	This was a music.
	From MDMA?
	Well, this is...
	To psilocybin, they mix the music.
	Oh, they mix the MDMA plus mushrooms.
	Psilocybin.
	Psilocybin is from anybody watching at home, that's mushrooms.
	So you were using mushrooms and the MDMA and therapy.
	And together, you met your dad again.
	Yeah.
	What, did he say anything?
	Yeah.
	I think it's a lot of pain that I had a guilt.
	Like, I'm sorry.
	I feel guilty that I survived.
	Yeah, for sure.
	Survivor's guilt is common.
	Yeah, so I feel just so bad.
	And he's like, no, I made all this for you.
	Yeah.
	This is what I want for you.
	He's excited.
	He's happy.
	Yeah, he was very happy for me.
	He's very proud of you.
	And that was there a little part of him that was like, this is great, but why are you using drugs?
	Naughty, naughty, naughty.
	My daughter's a drug addict now.
	Yeah, no.
	Americans in their therapy.
	He's like, those gays ruined the nation.
	That's what happened.
	You made friends with gays.
	Now you're doing Molly and ecstasy and mushrooms.
	This is why you can't go to San Francisco.
	Yeah, you can't.
	That's where I did it.
	Now, the gays do have the most fun with the drugs and everything.
	Oh, they do.
	You're in good hands with them.
	Okay.
	Don't take drugs with just straight guys.
	No, okay.
	If a gay guy gives you drugs, you take it.
	They're the best guy I ever was.
	I always take drugs from gay guys.
	Now, the next day, my ass hurts a little bit.
	You have a diarrhea?
	No, no, it was a joke about how gay guys have sex.
	Oh.
	Oh, you don't know that?
	She doesn't know that part yet.
	Not in the mouth.
	No, no, Okay.
	I heard you mention on Rogan about Burning Man.
	Did you go yet?
	No, I hadn't.
	Are you going to?
	I don't know if I really need to see that much about freedom.
	This is, no, we go, we go.
	You must go.
	Yeah, I would recommend that you go.
	We do?
	Yeah, there's only 10 rules.
	They're not even rules.
	They're principles.
	And then outside of that, you just express yourself in whatever way you want to express yourself.
	And people have to include you radically.
	Radical expression, I heard.
	Radical expression and radical inclusion.
	Inclusion.
	So they have to include you.
	Does it sound a bit like a communism?
	Like, collectively, we all have to.
	You gotta tell me that whole sentence one more time.
	I didn't understand the whole thing that you just said.
	One more time.
	One more time.
	It's okay.
	It was like everybody had things to bring to each other and taking care of each other.
	And I was like, I'm just sick of the collectivism and like.
	Well, no, it is communism.
	That's community.
	But communism only works for one week when everybody's on drugs.
	Ah, under drugs it works.
	We can go get our way forward.
	Everybody's rich.
	Yeah.
	And then they're on drugs.
	We can be nice to each other for seven days.
	Right.
	And then it falls apart.
	Right.
	But for those seven days, you experience the euphoria of what communism could be.
	On drugs.
	On drugs.
	Yeah.
	But if you were communist, you would do the drugs, right?
	Who's on work?
	Who's going to make pussy?
	Because nobody works under communism.
	That's why we're starving.
	Exactly.
	Yes.
	This is a problem.
	But for seven days, it is kind of cool.
	So you can go see the idea behind these horrible totalitarian dictatorships if you want to experience it.
Communism Under Drugs 00:05:38
	Yeah, yeah.
	And then after that, you charged it up and you're really excited.
	Okay.
	And you can bring whatever you want.
	I'll bring whatever I want.
	What would your gift be?
	My gift be.
	What would your gift to the playa?
	Because everybody has to bring a gift to the fly.
	There's two of them.
	Some grasshopper fries.
	I love Atrostan.
	Honestly, I would show up to your grasshopper fry cart and have some grasshopper fries.
	I would eat insects 100%.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm not against the insects thing.
	The rats to me is a little bit crazy.
	Too much.
	For me, it's a little bit too much.
	Yeah.
	Don't you agree?
	No, I think they're just not that bad.
	Okay, is there anything that Americans eat that you're like, ugh?
	What's wrong with these cheese?
	Blue cheese.
	Blue cheese.
	I agree.
	It just smells like shit.
	It does.
	It does smell like shit.
	I was like, what the?
	Why would you eat this voluntarily?
	It's the French.
	They went too far.
	Oh, that's the French.
	Liberty.
	Yeah, it's too much liberty.
	It's too much liberty.
	I just trying to do the cat cheese, yeah.
	There's limits to liberty, right?
	Brie.
	Brie is perfect.
	Brie is enough, but you go past it.
	Oh, no way, yeah.
	I'm with you.
	I'm so with you.
	But that's the French.
	It's like everybody agrees.
	They're like, a woman becomes a woman at 18.
	Yeah.
	And then the French are like, well, what about 14?
	And you're like, whoa, They always want a too old or too young.
	Yes.
	Yeah, it's great.
	So then maybe the French are like, what happens when freedom is too free?
	Yeah.
	I can see that.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	Do you have a pet?
	Did you get like a dog or a cat when you came to America?
	She divorced him.
	Okay.
	She got the divorce.
	She's not good at it.
	She divorced the man, okay?
	Marriage is yourself your very own white man.
	That is a fucking accomplishment, you know?
	It is in North Korea that that's by like thousand pieces.
	I did.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	If you marry a white man, you can't.
	I mean, there's no white man there.
	But you know what?
	Well, the uncle was in my or whatever, wasn't he?
	He got killed.
	He got tortured.
	He's like, all teeth got rearranged.
	Oh, my goodness.
	You don't want to marry that guy.
	Electrifying him.
	They were torturing him.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay, so back to you, though.
	So despite all of that, you went after and you hooked a white.
	A great white, as they call him.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Did you divorce?
	And I divorced Davis.
	I'm currently mafia as an Iranian.
	Oh.
	I thought I was Arab.
	So I was like, are you Arab?
	It's like, no, I'm not.
	That's right.
	The Iranians, they believe that they're from the Caucasus Mountains.
	Yeah, so I'm very liberal when it comes to...
	Did you date any Koreans before the nuts?
	You never dated anyone.
	I'm not raised again.
	Bad experiences of Korean men.
	I never dated a woman.
	Really?
	I'm just, I'm just sorry, but it just feels like I'm with my own.
	Say it.
	Say it.
	No, but.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No.
	I like care.
	I like hair.
	Is it true what they say about North Korean men?
	I heard they're really hung.
	I don't know.
	I've never seen one.
	Really?
	Never?
	I was 13.
	We don't have a sex education in school.
	You don't know what sex is.
	You don't have a vocabulary.
	Oh, you were talking about their penis sizes?
	Yeah.
	I heard that.
	Oh, my God.
	And there's no North Korean porn.
	How do you watch what North Korean men look like?
	Yeah, wait.
	But then you were in South Korea.
	I never dated it once.
	I don't know.
	You didn't do anything like that.
	No.
	Now, are there certain South Korean dudes that are coming at you?
	And they're like...
	Yeah, I was in the university in South Korea.
	And were they hitting on you non-stop?
	What did they say?
	What do they say?
	Well, they're very sweet.
	I'm always in the library.
	So they make a math, you know, question.
	I know the answer to this, like, you know, math.
	I don't know what your number might be.
	Wait a minute, that's game right there.
	I was studying criminal justice, the law and criminal laws.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	So they came up with some math questions.
	Yeah, I know.
	And they were like, no, I'm good.
	Not having it all.
	Never got attracted.
	But then the Iranian, he really knew how to.
	Persians have games.
	Persians, yeah.
	I think Americans, like, when I came, just like, I don't know.
	Like, I think they keep saying, like, you know, that I just, if you don't hear about these stereotypes, you don't know them.
	So there's no preconception in you.
	It's very great things.
	You can just start like everything is fresh.
	Everything's fresh.
	You learn about for the first time.
	I did not know Iran was not Arab.
	Like, I thought they were all like Muslims, you know.
	And he's like, no, he eats pork.
	So.
	Oh, interesting.
	What is he?
	Chris.
	You haven't dated a black guy?
	Nobody came up.
	I don't know.
	I think Jimmy.
	I'm not very tired or something.
	Wait a minute.
	You never got hit on by a black guy.
	No.
	Well, you got hit on by a black woman, but that's a very different.
	So you never had a black guy approach you at all?
	No.
	Just white guys and Asians.
	And then one Iranian.
	Jews.
	Jews love it, huh?
	Why is that?
	Similar history.
	They do.
	I think there's like a connectivity right there.
	Oh, maybe we went through Holocaust.
	Like if we are going to Monora Holocaust, they went through actual Holocaust.
	Exactly.
	You felt it.
	You also have the pressure, the family pressure.
	And academia.
	Academia study, study.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But you never got with the Jewish guy, though.
	You never, you don't date a Jewish guy.
	I had the first boyfriend that was Jew who was a Russian Jew, by the way.
	You went back to the Soviets.
	Yeah.
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	He was like very conservative.
	Very conservative.
	Libertarian, like not like a Christian conservative, like libertarian conservative.
	Libertarian.
	So he believed in the freedom.
	Free market, individual liberty, constitution.
	Yeah, don't tax me.
	Yeah, no, that's it.
	He was rich.
	The government is evil.
	No, he was not.
	He wanted to be.
	The government isn't that evil.
	It just, they want a lot of money.
	I think that's more the philosophy, right?
	It's very greedy.
	Yeah, because if the government was the exact same, but they wanted no money, I think there's a lot of libertarians who'd be like, yeah, his government's fine.
	Everything's working out.
	No, those don't make malice.
	They don't believe in borders.
	I love.
	But Mike is, I love Mike.
	I love him too.
	Yeah, but he believes in chaos.
	Exactly.
	Anarchist.
	Anarchists.
	Literally, no border, no military, no government.
	I'm like, I don't want to be in that country.
	Whatever you're saying.
	Neither does he.
	It's easy to say that, but then when it happens, it's like, oh, fuck.
	You know what I mean?
	Because he's first.
	I know I'm the one who might be raped.
	There's no pressure on that.
	That's no more.
	We're not letting that happen anymore.
	We like the government protecting from that.
	Okay?
	And your strong Iranian husband to be in the very near future.
	And then more.
	Not very near future, yeah.
	Oh.
	And becoming American.
	Yeah.
	No, you are really becoming an American woman.
	Yeah, they say average women get married around 34, 35 in New York.
	Yeah, I was married 22 when I was 22.
	I got married.
	But you're like Korean 22, so that's like 44 or something.
	Isn't like the age difference?
	Yeah, but the math doesn't matter.
	Remember, you said like you're born and then you're 39.
	You're 20 years different.
	So I'm 29.
	In Korea.
	In American age.
	Oh, so you're 31 in Korea.
	Yeah, how old are you?
	I'm 39.
	So you're 41 in Korea.
	Damn, damn.
	You're in your 40s.
	I'm in your 40s, bro.
	You're a wash.
	I'm killing it right now, dude.
	I am killing it right now.
	Okay, this is very, this is very interesting.
	I like this part of your life where you're enjoying yourself.
	You're out there dating.
	Do you get to travel much, like in America and around the world?
	Not as much around the world now, but now I'm on the book tour.
	So I'm like literally going everywhere in America.
	Are you scared to leave the country?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I cannot go to countries like Malaysia.
	Because they'll come after me.
	Or like Colombia, like Mexico, Brazil.
	Like, where $500 can hide a Hinman so easy.
	And you think that North Korea would hire the hitman and take you out?
	Yeah, they all have embassies there.
	Oh.
	Yeah, that's how they killed Kim Jong-n.
	They hired these girls and told them you're like shooting a frank video, put them in a VX nervous, like with tours, why don't you rub his face?
	They got to get away from him.
	They're doing a what video?
	A frank video?
	A prank video?
	A prank video.
	Oh, yeah.
	They told these girls that you are taking the prank video.
	Yeah.
	So why don't you go up that man and rub his face?
	It's going to be really funny in the video.
	And then they just go do it.
	Yeah.
	Oh, and that's how he got died.
	So you can't do it.
	You can't go anywhere.
	Yeah.
	Probably America is fine.
	America's good.
	Yeah, maybe the UK is okay.
	But they killed some in the UK.
	Remember the Ola Kark?
	Yeah, the Russian.
	The Russian one.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's true.
	Yeah.
	I think America, this is a great country.
	This is where you stay.
	Yeah, this is where I get buried eventually.
	100%.
	Not in a long time.
	Yeah.
	But if you did go to other countries, you think that you could, let's say you went to Asia.
	Do you think you could easily pretend you weren't you?
	Like, could you disguise yourself then?
	No, I mean, they have the list in the government.
	China, they have the list in my name in the blacklist.
	So I cannot even enter.
	I mean...
	Oh, you can't even go into China.
	Yeah, if they do let me in, they're going to kidnap me.
	That's what they do.
	Then send them back to North Korean Asians.
	They have North Carolina everywhere in China.
	And what if you went to South Korea again?
	South Korea, they send a lot of assassins with poisons and guns.
	They shoot them in their apartments.
	They were the one told me like, I'm not safe.
	Wow.
	Their intelligence is South Korea.
	Really?
	So they were like, yo, you got to get out of here.
	No, they're all like, they say, we can't put you with three detectives going to be with you 24-7.
	Wow.
	Three guys with me all the time.
	I was like, I didn't escape for this.
	Do you know any like defense?
	Do you know Taekwondo is the Korean martial art?
	But do you know anything to protect yourself?
	Do you have a gun?
	I do yoga.
	Yeah, you can try that.
	You can try that.
	That's Asian.
	I know those girls robbed you.
	That's why they robbed you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I would like to have a gun, but I have a son.
	So it's in New York City.
	Apartments are so small.
	So I want to have a home where there's basement.
	Florida.
	And you go to Florida or Texas.
	Then you can get a gun.
	And then your husband will do whatever you want.
	Do you know that that's also something that happens with a gun?
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Have you not been to a shooting range or anything?
	I've been.
	I loved it.
	Oh, you sure got a gun?
	Yeah.
	Very, very cool.
	I feel so powerful.
	It's an equalizer.
	I mean, you and I, like, if we are fighting, we are equal if we have the gun in our hands.
	Yes.
	Our size doesn't matter anymore.
	That's a good point.
	Oh, so it's an equalizer.
	Absolutely.
	It's so empowerful.
	That's the idea.
	Yeah, for someone like me, like so small, I felt so powerful.
	Do you think in order to have real freedom or freedom of speech, for example, you also need to have someone to protect that speech?
	Someone to protect it.
	Something to protect it.
	You need guns.
	Absolutely.
	Imagine if North Koreans had the guns.
	They're not going to let my father like that.
	I'm going to shoot them.
	Right in their fucking gun.
	Yeah, if they come get three generals of my family, I'm going to shoot them back, even if I get killed.
	No country can do that to their own citizens if they have the right to defend themselves.
	Damn right.
	So it's a good idea that we have someone.
	Of course, we should absolutely have the guns.
	100%.
	That's the only way we can stay free.
	That's facts.
	I agree.
	Now, a lot of people say they'll be like, but we couldn't overthrow our government because our government has way better guns.
	They have ways.
	Are they going to kill us all?
	Are they going to kill us all?
	I mean, where's the nation to rule?
	Who to dictate?
	I mean, what's the point if they bomb everybody in their country?
	I would think you kill enough people that the people who have guns are like, all right, well, you know what?
	Everybody I see is still losing.
	So I'm just going to put my guns down.
	No, if they come for your wife, your children, your parents, they're going to kill them.
	You're going to kill you.
	I mean, you're going to shoot them back.
	I think it also depends how you and your wife are doing that day.
	You know what I mean?
	It's more of like a message.
	You need some therapy.
	My trauma.
	We talked about my trauma.
	I'm so curious.
	You always talk about movies.
	You talked about Titanic and different movies.
	What was the first movie you came to America and you saw in a movie theater?
	Do you remember?
	Interview.
	The interview is funny about Kiki and Kim Jong-un.
	The first movie you saw?
	Yeah, December 24th that came.
	And then we can deepen the movie theater they showed in Christmas.
	So funny.
	Did you like it?
	I didn't get the jokes.
	My English was so bad back then.
	You should re-watch it.
	It was just traumatizing.
	You're just watching this guy.
	It was like, oh, my God, it's a free country.
	You can't even make fun of the dictator.
	You can kill him in the movies and you're not going to get executed.
	Wow.
	That's like freedom to me.
	It's not about how dumb movies.
	I don't get offended.
	I mean, they had a freedom to make that movie.
	If I don't like it, it's my thing.
	But I just love that they had the ability and freedom to make a movie.
	They could do that.
	Now, I have a question.
	You have this incredible story.
	You're obviously very intelligent.
	Do you ever get worried that there are going to be certain people that will see your story and they'll be like, hey, this looks really good for our ideology.
	How do we pay her a bunch of money or try to convince her to say things that we like?
	Do you ever worry that people try to take advantage of you in that way?
	I mean, to be honest, like they keep saying that I'm a CIA agent.
	I'm like, when are they calling me?
	You got some of that money, you know?
	They don't call me Soma.
	I got canceled by FBI Dallas to give a speech.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	What happened?
	I was invited to speak last year at the FBI Dallas.
	Talk about North Korea educating their people.
	And they just head of diversity calls me.
	Your idea, political opinions are too bigoted.
	We cannot have you.
	Wow, now.
	The hate of diversity, FBI, cancers me because my political opinions.
	Whoa.
	And what was it about the opinions that they didn't like?
	It was about that I was believing the Constitution, that I believe in men and women are different.
	There's a real science.
	Genetics are real.
	Math is not racist.
	It's a real science.
	These kind of things.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, that's absolutely absurd.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Now, do you also think that people are hesitant in working with you because they don't want to upset China?
	Yeah, that's very common.
	So actually, my first book, I was with ICM partners.
	My agent is very mainstream, and they gave me media training.
	They say you cannot go on Fox, you cannot talk to New York Post.
	They are the only people who talk to me right now.
	But you only talk to New York Times and other generals, right?
	Because they were worried you were going to be radicalized by going on only right-wing.
	No, they didn't want me to be...
	Nobody gonna forgive you if you are on Fox.
	Fox people don't care.
	I was on New York Times criticizing Trump for meeting Kim Jong-un.
	Like that's the thing, like who's more like inclusive?
	I've been on time and the New York Times.
	Once you go on Fox, then New York Times won't.
	Never gonna have you.
	Got you.
	So they basically say, hey, play the game.
	Go with the left-leaning sites.
	Go with the left-leaning public.
	Go with the mainstream.
	Go with the mainstream.
	And then eventually you can go to the right.
	Okay.
	No, no, no.
	They never go to the white.
	That's why I had to leave my agent.
	Oh, my God.
	Finding the narrator for my audiobook.
	Yeah.
	I think we went through at least 10 people.
	Nobody wanted to do the book because it's a conservative book.
	So we got somebody under the pseudonym, American woman.
	And no Asian, like Korean Americans want to do it either.
	It was like just reading a book.
	They don't want to put their name on it.
	Interesting.
	They're Koreans, though.
	They're worried why it would affect their career.
	And also, that's a good point.
	Yeah, I can sympathize for a Korean that wouldn't want to do it because it might put them in danger, their family in danger.
	But some like American white lady.
	They don't want to do it.
	Yeah.
	So we got a person under the pseudonym to do it.
	Eventually after like begging people to go around to find a narrator.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	And even I had to write this book.
	They were asking me to write a book about how horrible America is to black men.
	How they're putting them in the prison that is similar to North Korean prison camps.
	Wow.
	And I was like, I think there are differences between American prison and North Korean prison camp.
	Because North Korean prison don't come back alive usually.
	Take that out.
	Prisons here, we get up the ass.
	That is true.
	I would say that's worse.
	Oh, up the ass.
	He's talking about gay sex happens in prison a lot.
	Oh, in prison.
	Yeah, a lot of non-you guys get fed though.
	With dick.
	With dick.
	They get fed, yeah.
	They get a lot of meat.
	That's for sure.
	Yeah, yeah.
	They get stuffed.
	They get stuffed.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, they're full.
	But anyway, so it was very hard to fight this.
	He goes, get over your little prison rape.
	No, no, no.
	Nobody wants to hear about that.
	They get fed.
	That's the point.
	Oh, no.
	They get from both holes.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah.
	No, but they do get fed.
	And there are rights for prisoners in America.
	100%.
	It's with their family members.
	There's an actual judicial system to decide what they have done.
	It could be better.
	She's saying it's good.
	I think she's saying it's not really comparable to the people.
	100%.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We're teasing.
	We're teasing.
	I think what you're saying is that there's levels to what's going on.
	And then sometimes comparing things as if they're equal does a disservice to something that's far more severe.
	Yeah.
	Because there's awful treatment of black people in America.
	And there's also horrendous treatment of North Korean people.
	And those might be on different levels, but you only know what you know.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So if black people in America have only experienced this, then they're going, hey, this is not fair.
	And I'm not getting what I'm promised by the Constitution.
	And if the Constitution is promising these things, that's what I want.
	Whereas, so they can be upset at that because the country may be failing them in that regard.
	And there's a promise that the country has to uphold.
	If we believe in this Constitution, we believe in the documents, you better give me my fucking rights.
	Whereas the treatment that people are experiencing in North Korea is not against the Constitution.
	It's against our morality.
	It's against our ethics.
	It's against our humanity.
	Yeah, it's a crime against humanity.
	It's a crime against humanity.
	By the UN.
	They said this is modern-day Holocaust.
	Of course, for sure.
	So I guess what I'm saying is, like you said in North Korea, like when you were growing up, you only knew what was there.
	You didn't know that there was a life outside of it.
	And I think so many people also don't understand what's going on in North Korea because they're not there.
	Our lives are small.
	We know what we are experiencing.
	We're in the bubble.
	Exactly.
	So I think it's like, I think a lot of times people want to, maybe they want to take your story and they want to almost weaponize it and be like, hey, everybody, shut up.
	This is what it's like to be really bad.
	But maybe we have room for both.
	Maybe we have room to be like, yeah, like, hey, let's make sure that we understand and try to help these people in the best way that we can.
	But let's also make sure that all our citizens are receiving the rights that they deserve.
	Right.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Because I don't like when people try to do that with your stuff.
	Because I feel like sometimes they kind of use it.
	Right, right.
	So I think that's the thing.
	I mean, I could have been the darling of the left and complaining about how hard it is to be a woman, how horrible man is.
	Or the men that I met were rapists in China.
	And they were like, why just don't you stick with that?
	But the thing is, none of these people cared about what actually was happening to North Korean women in China.
	They just wanted to use you as a tool to save the suffering of women.
	And that was it.
	And then when I was going to criticize Trump about how he was a legitimizing dictator, that's when they only want to talk about my story, not about the slavement of my people in China.
	Yeah, it's almost like people will use parts of your story when it benefits them, but they're not really caring about what you are going through or your people.
	Only Christians scared.
	I mean, you were the only ones.
	I'm sorry.
	They were with all their flaws, with all their dogmas, these older people came to China with their life.
	They cared to risk.
	They sent to prison for 10 years afterwards and some of them got killed and assassinated in China with knives stabbing on them.
	They literally cared about this North Korean people.
	Nobody cares.
	Risking their life and rescuing these people.
	And all they're talking about is they care about lives and they don't care.
	All they do is talking.
	Which is signaling.
	And it's not just North Korea.
	Like, there's a large, there's a very large Eastern African population in Minnesota.
	And they were originally lobbied to be brought there by the Lutherans.
	Yeah, so it's like, these, yeah, Christians have an amazing compassion for people that are going through horrible times and really do try to help and risk their lives.
	They do.
	I mean, there was that Christian guy that went to that island we were talking about, and he was trying to, I guess, spread, you know, the gospel to this remote.
	Yeah, you saw that.
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	Yeah, so it is really cool that you recognize that.
	And I can see how you would definitely appreciate that because you have this story that's so seductive that people are going to want to use the parts that benefit them.
	So how do you protect yourself from that?
	How do you go, ugh, you just care about my story because it helps your political position or your ideology?
	How do you push people away who would just be using you and then embrace people who really want to help?
	How do you decipher that?
	I'm not very smart in that way.
	Like, I think I believe in humanity.
	Yeah.
	I think if I'm being genuine, I think they can see beyond that.
	Yeah.
	You know, so I try not to discriminate.
	I try to talk to everybody.
	Yeah.
	So if your time doesn't talk to me, I want to be there.
	Like, if anybody wants to talk to me, even commercial organizations want to talk to me, I want to go there.
	They don't want me.
	That's the only problem.
	Really?
	Yeah, of course not.
	And it's because they don't want to, they don't want to upset China.
	Is that kind of...
	Yeah, she said communist organizations don't want to talk to Chinese.
	Like, that's the thing.
	I mean, all the American now, the universities are under the Marxist ideology, right?
	Yeah.
	So I...
	Is that true?
	I mean, when I went to college, it was...
	Where did you go?
	I went to the University of California at Santa Barbara.
	Oh, wow.
	It's got to be known.
	It's not very woke.
	It was just a lot of parties.
	Yeah.
	So you didn't study very much.
	No, not really.
	Okay.
	What did you study?
	Psychology.
	Psychology.
	That's a real science.
	Kinda, right?
	All right.
	I love Dr. Peterson.
	I mean, that's a real science.
	Take that, Dr. Peterson.
	You see that?
	I studied all bullshit science.
	No, no, no.
	Psychology is a certain degree of real science and certain degrees are too made up, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Yes, yes.
	No, no, no.
	But psychology, I think, was very helpful for it's not science in terms of like math, but it's very helpful in terms of like understanding maybe why I behave a certain way, why other people behave a certain way.
	And that allows you to operate in the world, gives you an advantage for that.
	Sometimes somebody's mean to you and it has nothing to do with you.
	It's what they're going through.
	Right, exactly.
	That kind of thing.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You know, so why did we get into that?
	Oh, yeah, I didn't feel like there was this like Marxist ideology, but then again, I went to college fucking so long ago that maybe it's changed.
	Clearly, I think that there is, there is like some, I guess there is an, how would people say it, like an issue with wokeness.
	Yeah.
	But I also feel like sometimes that is, you know, how like the right and the left in America need enemies so that they have something to talk about every day.
	So I feel like they just select their enemies.
	Right.
	That's what I'm saying.
	And China is the enemy.
	Why would you fight against the Chinese?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I really don't understand why they do that.
	Well, why do you think maybe it's easier if we fight wokeness than fight China?
	Because we know we're not going to do anything about China.
	We know we want to get our fucking clothing made.
	You know, we want our furniture.
	We want our cheap stuff to buy on Amazon.
	So we're not going to really do anything about China.
	So why even bother to talk about it?
	You know, they got the spy balloons going all over the place.
	What are we going to do?
	Are we going to bomb them?
	If we're not going to bomb them, then maybe there's no reason to complain.
	Yeah.
	China's much more dangerous than wokeness.
	That's true, but then woke ideology keeps shielding this Chinese threat.
	I think that's what is hard.
	You're shielding it yourself.
	They're distracting us.
	The real enemy is not white men.
	The real enemy is not capitalism.
	Yes.
	The real enemy is dictatorships that is Marxist totalitarian ideology.
	Yeah.
	That is really a danger to humanity.
	Yes.
	But the woke ideologist keeps distracting us to make us to believe that somehow that American Constitution is a racist.
	The free market is a problem.
	The capitalism is a problem.
	Professor Columbus says, all the problems that we have, the only solution today is a communist revolution.
	Your professor at Columbia said that.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, that's these people go run, like, I mean, work for Twitter, Facebook.
	I mean, all the banks and big institutions, they become president, like Obama went to Colombia, right?
	Yeah.
	Like, they get brainwashed this way, and then how do we trust people to make the right decision?
	But they get certain biases that is so dangerous.
	And you're saying that those biases that they'll develop and learn will then infiltrate our overall ideology.
	That's your concern.
	My son's daycare sent me a message saying that he's binary?
	Non-I don't know, but they say they do such a good job teaching him about equity, equality of outcomes.
	That's okay.
	Lots of bullshit.
	There's no equality of outcomes.
	You and I can never be the same.
	I mean, we work for the same thing, right?
	Like, we're different.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But they're teaching these young kids who's two years or three years old, little toddlers.
	They teach them about Marxist ideology.
	Yeah, it sounds extreme when it's put like that because I don't think anybody's teaching a kid Marxism.
	And they're like, hey, let's talk about Mark.
	But they're teaching things that exist and are promoted within Marxism.
	Like I have a friend of mine who, his kid, he gave like two pieces of candy to one of his daughter and then gave one to his son.
	And then the kid goes, wait, what's going on?
	I want my other piece.
	And he goes, why?
	He goes, because it should be fair and equal.
	Everything needs to be fair and equal.
	And fair and equal is a good principle to teach children.
	But the idea that they felt like they could demand it and it was their right to have it.
	Empowerment.
	They teach empowerment.
	Sure.
	Yeah, you deserve free health care.
	You deserve free education.
	You deserve free housing.
	Universal income.
	In North Korea, they promised everything free and nothing became free.
	They did not give us anything.
	So in America, this young kid is like, healthcare is a human rights.
	We should make it free.
	So you're saying these are all good ideas, but you've seen them actually put into practice and it never lives up to the idea.
	Why should somebody become a doctor and not getting paid and cure you for free?
	Well, maybe they love curing.
	But then they need to feed their family themselves.
	Like why they should do anything for free?
	Like how can anything be free in the world?
	Right?
	Like threesome, I mean, do we get that cup for free?
	Like how do we make that for free?
	You do this podcast for free?
	That's right, but I'm trying to sell the books.
	I don't like the bullshit.
	God bless Castle.
	Absolutely.
	I'm trying to sell the books, but also I try to wake up people's minds so I don't, okay, if America goes down, the only option left for me to escape to the moon without Elon Musk.
	He does not know me.
	So I don't think I'm going to be able to do that.
	And then the moon is going to be strict.
	Mars is going to be strict.
	That's going to be totalitarian.
	There's not going to allow you to go.
	But the first generation, they have to build a nation.
	They have no time to be like woke.
	But can you imagine how strict it would be up there?
	It's not even woke.
	It's like...
	I've been into North Korea.
	I can imagine it.
	It would literally be North Korea.
	It would be North Korea, but with food, because you can't go outside.
	Yeah.
	You can't do anything.
	You do not want to go to Mars.
	What I'm trying to say is you do not want to go to Mars.
	Especially.
	Because everybody is dependent on everyone else.
	If you just leave the door open, everybody dies.
	That's why America is.
	Imagine the world without America.
	I would never want to be in it.
	Yeah.
	I want this country to be in it.
	This is a background of hope for entire humanity.
	But do you really think that I think a lot of times what happens is like we see this with children.
	Yeah.
	And when they see this with like teens, we see this with kids in their 20s.
	And then the second they get responsibility, they literally convert immediately.
	I've seen my friends who are lifelong liberals, lifelong liberals, like their entire lives.
	I've known them their entire lives.
	Liberals, liberals, their wives, liberals.
	This happened a couple weeks ago.
	My friend's kid came home from school and said that he was gender fluid.
	The kid is five years old.
	My kid.
	Couple do you even know the term gender fluid?
	My friend was like, we're putting him in Catholic school.
	Right.
	We are doing that.
	Immediately.
	Yeah, we are sending Cash, of course.
	Okay.
	Now, that is, to me, the free market deciding.
	Yeah.
	So you also have to have faith in the free market.
	Absolutely.
	I do.
	So the free market is going to go, the parents are going to start going, whoa, whoa, what are you teaching my kids?
	I'm taking my kids out of the school.
	Then the schools are going to start to go, what the fuck is going on here?
	Why does nobody want to be here?
	Oh, maybe because we're teaching children things that they don't need to know at five years old.
	Right?
	So if we do have that total faith in the free market, it should be applied to education.
	Should be applied to ideology.
	You know what I mean?
	Like if we really want freedom, we got to let people get the information.
	We have to let people have Marxist information.
	Absolutely.
	There should be Marxists.
	I mean, I love them.
	That's the thing.
	The reason why I want the capitalism, in capitalism, Marxists thrive.
	Like you look at AOC and Bernie Sanders.
	But in socialism, capitalists get executed.
	Ah, so you're saying there's much less tolerance.
	So I want to be in a country where we all can coexist and keep debating which idea is better and finding the truth.
	That's the thing is because if you have confidence in capitalism, which I do, it's going to win.
	I'm not that insecure.
	Like the Marxists are so insecure, they cannot tolerate people who are conservative and free market, right?
	Because if you're so secure about your ideology, why are you not afraid?
	And why forces think the way you do?
	And why do you think that is?
	Because they because communism is about passion.
	It's not about like logic.
	You know, passionately, you think there should be utopia where everybody's equal, nobody's suffering.
	Like we're all in a shala la land, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	But in the one.
	Yeah, I mean, in yala la land, like where like just nobody's safe.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He's the best.
	So I think that's their, it's a passionate like ideology.
	You gotta believe in it.
	Yeah.
	And also it doesn't teach you any intolerance.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	You cannot coexist with capitalism.
	Yeah, it is almost a beautiful thing to commit yourself to, which is this idea that we're gonna help everyone and everybody's gonna get an even amount and there aren't gonna be people that are oppressed or taken advantage of.
	I have a lot of empathy for someone who believes that they can make that a reality 100%.
	So far.
	That's dangerous.
	That's how they pave the road to hell.
	That's what China did.
	With good intentions.
	The Union did, North Korea did.
	Very bad, very dangerous.
	You have good intentions and not being very stupid.
	Yeah, yeah, but you're saying that there's a certain amount of realism that we need to inject.
	And maybe that's what's lost in the discourse now is that we haven't been as realistic.
	And maybe we're too far away from the perils of humanity.
	Maybe we're too cushioned from the perils of humanity in America where we don't even see it as a potential threat.
	I mean, the same thing happens with Cubans that come from Cuba.
	Yeah.
	When they go to Miami, all of a sudden they're much more conservative because a lot of people suggest that they live through a socialist regime.
	And so when they come to America, they're much more concerned about something like that happening.
	You actually said something like this kind of on your Rogan, which is really interesting.
	You said, if you think you are oppressed, you're not oppressed because if you're truly oppressed, you don't even know what that word is.
	That word doesn't even exist to you.
	And I think times are so comfortable and amazing in America relative to history that we are looking for all these things because now that we have all of our basic needs met, we notice these things.
	So they seem like huge deals because most of us haven't had to worry about food, shelter, clothing, et cetera.
	So now we start looking at these other things because we still don't feel whole.
	And maybe that's what Christianity and God comes from, maybe.
	As a mother.
	I know you said you're grateful that you were born in North Korea so you can appreciate everything that you have now.
	You have perspective on it.
	As a mother, I can't fathom that you want your kid to understand that type of appreciation.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, no, I wouldn't want him to go through the same thing that I did.
	Yeah, you're like, fuck perspective.
	But no, but humans are unique, that we have a capability to understand that is abstract.
	Of course, like understanding what I went through in North Korea is going to be abstract to you.
	You've never seen it infected.
	But we are capable of that.
	That's why we have a high intelligence.
	So my responsibility as a parent is teaching next generation what I know about the world.
	If we do that good, that what we know about the world, they understand from us, then they find the more things.
	Gotcha.
	So that's like how I see my response, telling him, not like letting him go through the same hardship and starve him every day, punish him.
	Don't do that.
	Yeah, I'm like, of course not.
	But like, I think he can understand that.
	I think that's why I believe in humanity.
	I can teach these people what the actual economism looks like.
	This might be getting too philosophical, but the issue becomes every generation that grows up better becomes less passionate about that thing.
	Your son will have an easier life, so he won't be as passionate with your grandson, granddaughter, about, or grand non-binary, about how life is good, you need to have perspective, etc.
	And then the next generation will be that much less passionate.
	And so it goes.
	And that's actually a sign of success.
	Yeah.
	No, because progress is not something that automatically happens.
	You need to fight for it.
	You know, it's a you didn't, America didn't build out of thin air.
	People died for this country.
	People invented stuff.
	They did not sleep and work hard, like so hard.
	So somehow you think if you just sit here being comfortable and smoking weed and all day and just watching Netflix and somehow we're gonna get better as time passes.
	No, we can completely go backwards.
	Like I was watching the movie Idiocracy.
	Yeah.
	I was like, this is somehow why it's ringing some bears to me, you know?
	So it can be truly real thing.
	North Korea did so well in the 60s, 70s, and then they went backwards.
	And now there's cannibalism.
	They're eating each other.
	That desperate, yeah.
	Wow.
	Why are people still having children there?
	Governments requires you to.
	I thought that that might be.
	Because they need more slaves to make us to build nuclear weapons and do the things for them.
	So and how do they make that happen?
	It's a marriage assignment.
	They assign marriage for you.
	Interesting.
	Job assignment.
	So you cannot determine anything about your life.
	You don't even decide what haircut you have.
	There's only two haircuts, right?
	So someone decided his haircut is going to be the universal haircut for North Korea man.
	I thought you said they starve the population so that way the population decreases and it's less people to control.
	So why would they also encourage them to have more kids?
	Because they, among the lower, so in North Korea, the same people, same genetics, look the same, but they divide us 51 different classes.
	51?
Starving People Procreating 00:04:18
	Yeah, that's what you do when you fight for equity.
	They divide 51 different classes based on your royalty.
	It's like in America, if your ancestors owned a slave, now you're guilty, right?
	You are re eating momentum, your genetics are retarded.
	In North Korea, if you're yeah, like white people, can you ever redeem your skin?
	You can't.
	You should be always tainted.
	Yeah, tainted, yeah.
	And North Korea, because my grandparents had a land, they said he was a landowner, my blood is tainted.
	My genetics is oppressive to other people.
	Oh, but they actually use that terminology.
	Like, you had a lot of people.
	She's saying prior to the regime.
	Right, they were landowners in it.
	Yeah, so you're like the slave owner.
	Oh, that's where your empathy for white people.
	I don't have a slave because he had a tiny land.
	No, I'm saying comparing it to like in America.
	It's like that.
	So based on your America's skin color, it seems like.
	Do you divide in who's oppressed, who's oppressed?
	North Korea is based on the royalty, like were your landowner, or your capitalist.
	Based on that, they divide your class into 51 different classes.
	Yeah, but why would they promote among the top class?
	They do.
	Oh, because they are loyal.
	Gotcha.
	I mean, they need to be able to get them.
	And what about the poor people?
	Poor people.
	Why are poor people bringing more?
	And this is not just a North Korean situation.
	Maybe it's just human instinct.
	It's just what we need to do.
	But you see this around the world.
	You see the people that are living in these dire situations and they're still procreating.
	It's such a sad story.
	Like later, I was grown up, my mom told me in concentration camps or like prison camps, they would rather die from starvation than not having sex.
	So I think that's a very human urge.
	Like they'd rather die from starvation than not have sex.
	I think sex is a part of being human.
	I don't think that's something we should be ashamed of.
	And I think I heard that in that dire situation where people having this lies everywhere and dying from starvation, they say, I'm going to give you my dinner.
	Would you like to have food for sex in the camp?
	In the prison camp.
	Holy shit.
	They're not gays.
	I mean, that's the only thing available for them.
	So they're having sex with men's butts.
	Yeah.
	And I think, so even the poor class in the bottom, I think they still get married and have kids.
	Jesus.
	I know.
	But most of the women still like under there, they don't even get periods because of malnutrition.
	That is common.
	Yeah, they don't get periods.
	Yeah, you have to have a certain amount of body fat in order to have a menstrual cycle, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh my God.
	So men are paying each other food.
	They don't need money.
	Yeah, they give their dinner.
	Why are they dying from starvation?
	Fuck.
	I mean, that is.
	They're dying for starvation.
	I'm like blown away by this.
	Maybe that's their death wish.
	Like, maybe they know months before they die.
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	You should be so grateful you never have to do that.
	Because in America, they're doing it while they get food anyway.
	Yeah.
	That actually is ridiculous.
	They're preference too.
	It's like they're gay, but like these people's preference is obviously women a lot of times, most of them.
	Oh my goodness.
	I've never seen a gay in North Korea in my life.
	Yeah, never.
	We never heard about it.
	It's not even discussed.
	No, it's not a concept.
	It's not a concept.
	So in order to be gay, you first need to be full, right?
	You need to be like, you have to, you can't be gay if you're hungry.
	Maslow's hierarchy of needs, you know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	Why can't you not be gay if you're hungry?
	No, I'm saying like according to what's going on, like the people are so starving that they can't even think about dicks.
	They're just thinking about food.
	Yeah, but I think men still do.
	So in the military, mandatory military service force, both are men.
	They men, like officers of Kiscon rape women soldiers.
	Oh my God.
	Yeah, and then if women get pregnant, then they get punished, not the officer.
	Oh, wow.
	There's no me too in North Korea.
	There's no women's rights.
	There's no meetup.
	There's no such a concept called sexual harassment.
	Oh, my God.
	We don't know that's a bad thing.
	That's how bad communism is.
	They don't have a human rights, so there's no such a thing called a rape in North Korea.
	Oh, my God.
	Do you think that they would respect the movement more if they called it like the Kim Me Too movement or something?
The Kim Me Too Movement 00:06:27
	I mean, YouTube wouldn't demonetize my videos.
	No way.
	I talk about the North Korean soldiers getting raped by the officers in the military in North Korea.
	It's very documented by the U.S. Nuts.
	And then YouTube is demonetizing you.
	And I asked them also North Korean women get raped in China under the Communist Party.
	And then I asked YouTube, like Google, right?
	Like I asked them, do you not support the meetup of the women?
	Like, why would you demonetize these videos?
	No, they said it just does not meet our guidelines.
	That's what they respond.
	Wow.
	Somehow, whatever the guidelines they have, they only want to go after the people who were raped by Harvey Weinstein as a guy.
	That's the support you only get.
	And they should also, we should also go after them.
	But that is a funny thing in my book, you know, I was flew by Jeff Bezos to go to this campfire event.
	Bernie Man?
	No, it's a private home campfire.
	Oh.
	Where he flew me with Harvey Weinstein.
	You flew private in the Gulf Stream, yeah.
	How was he?
	Charming guy.
	He was with his wife, Georgina, and he had two kids and they're nannies.
	And we flew from near New York in the private airport.
	He went to Jeff's event.
	And then he, in that private event, of course, he gave a speech how he came from the flushing queens, how he's been fighting for the minority people.
	And everybody was standing up there, giving him standing ovation.
	And one of the women who was claiming to be raped by him later.
	Was there?
	Yeah, and then, of course, he was the man.
	The people call him the man.
	And then I asked him after the Me Too comes out, did you know that he was raping women?
	Like, yeah, of course, we all knew.
	Did you not know?
	Wow.
	Did he offer you any movie roles?
	No, he was trying to send me Obi Duty Caprio to meet up because I talked about in front of Jeff Bezos how watching Titanic changed my life.
	Showed me the sign of humanity.
	Like Jeff is like, hey, like Harvey, why don't you hook up Yumby DiCaprio?
	And then like Leo, he called him Leo, obviously.
	Of course Leo.
	And then Leo's office, which I emailed.
	We wanted to meet.
	He was here for the UN event.
	I was out, so we couldn't really meet.
	How old were you at the time?
	Yeah, you might have been.
	After 21.
	Oh, Jeff.
	You're entering the range.
	You know, Leo doesn't go.
	Below 25.
	You know, you know.
	I know, my heart was broke.
	But it will go on.
	It will go on, yeah.
	Now, do you think that Leonardo Caprio could have fit on the door with Claire Danes at the end of the Titanic?
	Claire Danes.
	Is it Claire Danes?
	What's her name?
	The Me Too.
	Kay Wins.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Come on, bro.
	I mean, even he can't understand.
	White women.
	No, no.
	Do you think they could have both fit on the door together?
	Absolutely.
	Or they should have tried.
	They should have at least tried.
	Yeah, tried it.
	That sounds a little communist of you, to be honest.
	Everybody should live equally.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, this is, to be honest.
	No, just because he's so cute in the movie.
	I was just like, teenager girl, you know, I love him.
	He's a hard throw.
	Yeah, not now.
	Oh, my God.
	No, thank you.
	Wait a minute.
	Wait, why are you not into it?
	What are you not into?
	I mean, no, no, it's like...
	Who's the hottest guy in the world?
	In the world?
	In the whole world, outside of your fiancé.
	Who's the hottest guy?
	Like, the number one dude.
	Used to be my tie was Kim Jong-un.
	Personality, not the body type, you know, because in North Korea, that's a sign of power and it's very thick.
	Yeah, because we don't, everybody's starving like me so small.
	So if you're fat, that means you got money.
	Because nobody lived long enough to get bored.
	So if you're old and fat, bored and fat, so you're very, very sexy.
	Harvey Winston.
	Exactly.
	So I used to love like fat.
	So my fiancé is not the most fit man either.
	But that's what you like.
	That's good.
	That means that he's successful.
	I'm kind of switching, though.
	I like slightly more getting into fitness.
	So me.
	Okay, Harry Styles.
	You like Harry Styles?
	Oh, no, too gay.
	I agree.
	Keep on going.
	Okay, who else?
	Who is that fiancé?
	The number one man.
	George Clooney.
	George Clooney.
	Oh, no, thank you.
	I like people like Joe Rogan, like works.
	Yeah, Rogan's a high.
	Okay, so don't tell him that.
	I'm not going to tell him at all.
	Not going to tell him Rock.
	Who's Rock?
	The Rock Dwayne Johnson.
	Dwayne The Rock Johnson.
	Oh, you don't know.
	I thought Obama was very handsome when he was younger, no?
	Yeah.
	He was very fucking nice.
	Yeah, this guy right here.
	What about that guy?
	Yeah, that's Dwayne The Rock Johnson.
	How tall is it?
	He's tall.
	He's like.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay, yeah.
	I think I can max handle Joe Rogan height.
	Joe Rogan, you're getting two shout outs.
	I cannot go above like six maximum.
	Six feet is your top.
	Yeah, those tall guys.
	They're all awful.
	Maybe if I'm on the high here, then I can go for six, two max.
	Maybe, maybe.
	What about Brad Pitt?
	Like people like Brad Pitt.
	Brad Pitt is handsome.
	You into Brad Pitt?
	No, really.
	Actor?
	What about Will Smith?
	Oh, yeah.
	He's very young.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He's very, very young.
	He's good.
	Yeah, Keanu.
	Oh, Keanu.
	What do you think about Keanu?
	I don't know.
	He has a long hair.
	I'm just not into long hair.
	You don't need to.
	In North Korea, we've never seen a man with the long hair.
	Like, they need to get two to three inches of mandatory for the government.
	What is two to three inches?
	Hair length maximum.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Now, with the whippy.
	Yeah, how do you feel about like man buns?
	Like, this is a Korean style.
	Is it?
	Yes, of course.
	It's known, you know.
	It's South Korean, not North Korea.
	You don't like the man bun?
	Yeah, no man bun, no long hair.
	Not too tall.
	Not too tall.
	Not like 6'4.
	Not too, too much with the 6'feet.
	Yeah, yeah.
	No, basketball players too much.
	Yeah, I'm friends with the Ennis Cantor.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm like coming under his arm.
	He's so tall.
	I know.
	Yeah, I know.
	That's, yeah.
	How is Ennis?
	Oh, what?
	Okay, Jared Leto, Brian Reynolds.
	Yeah, that's, I mean, the haircut is good.
	You like that?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, Johnny, come on, right?
	Johnny Depp?
	Oh, Bradley Cooper.
	What about Bradley Cooper?
	I mean, he's the ideal.
	Vanilla.
	Vanilla.
	Girlfriend.
	Okay, Bradley.
South Korean Appearance Rules 00:07:36
	You got to connect.
	I'm sure you know someone that can get in touch with him.
	You want me to set up a dinner?
	This is a friend dinner.
	Just a friend dinner.
	Just a friend dinner.
	It's like I get too shy.
	I'm going to embarrass you.
	Who would you want?
	Who would you want to play you in a movie about your life?
	I don't know the actresses that much.
	I don't like watch that much TV.
	I'm more like a big book person, so I don't know a lot of actors.
	Who would you want to write your story?
	Write my story?
	Yeah.
	Whoever's good.
	R.L. Stein.
	Oh, that'd be fire.
	What's that?
	Goosebumps?
	Yeah, he wrote like horror books for kids.
	Oh, yeah.
	It'd be interesting.
	It's a low budget, no?
	The horror movies have a lower budget, no?
	They do.
	They have a little bit lower budget.
	But it doesn't have to be horror.
	We could make it something else.
	Exactly, yeah.
	You know?
	It's drama.
	They tried to make a movie about my book.
	About your book, yeah.
	Yeah, the first book.
	And then they sent me the writing of the book.
	I mean the movie and in the like literally writing the script play saying when I was in China that was my promised land.
	Yeah, the Chinese government protecting me and then helping me giving me refugees so I was calling up the producer like what the fuck is this?
	This is not what happened.
	It's like this is the only way we can make a movie about North Korea in Hollywood today.
	Oh wow.
	I was like yeah no thank you you don't need to make a movie it's like I'm good.
	It's like a pull up pull up the dinner.
	Because Hollywood has has interests in China.
	They want China to go to the movie.
	Also their elderly woke.
	Yeah they're very woke.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	This is why I'm fighting like if we think that we have a lot of freedom like a lot of things we are coming watching certain ideology is like controlling all these institutions.
	And it's really sad.
	Like you have no problem making movies about all other like hot like genocide.
	You know Hotel Rwanda is fine but some North Korean issue they cannot do that.
	Did you see the Hotel Rwanda?
	Did you guys see Hotel Rwanda?
	How was it?
	Very good movie yeah.
	It was a really good movie.
	It was a very powerful movie yeah.
	So you want a version of that because movies can get a message out to people that would never consume your message.
	Some people don't read books.
	They just want story.
	And we attach ourselves to these stories, right?
	So maybe the movie is the way.
	Yeah, if somebody has courage to stand up against CCP, they could.
	But I think everybody's afraid here.
	Everybody is terrified.
	Yeah, I've been doing this for the last seven years, begging people to do something.
	They say the silence is violence.
	When it comes to gay rights, LGBTQ rights, BLM, everything they are fine.
	But when it comes to CCP, you got all those things.
	Damn, change the slogans into you.
	You really do.
	Of course.
	I mean, they're chanting every day in the middle of the low library.
	They go chanting this stuff and strikes every day.
	It's horrible.
	Really?
	So you didn't like Columbia?
	I barely survived it.
	I mean, it was very oppressive.
	I mean, barely survived.
	It was very bad.
	It was very bad.
	Because it was exactly things that I was living in North Korean classroom.
	What is the most oppressive life in your life?
	What is more oppressive?
	North Korea or going to the University of Columbia?
	Of course not.
	Okay, what about China or Columbia?
	Columbia.
	So North Korea.
	No, no, no, no.
	North Korea is mostly.
	What's this number?
	China or Columbia University?
	University of Oakland.
	Of course, China.
	I mean, yeah.
	Did I call it the University of Columbia?
	University of Columbia.
	Also, that university.
	Colombia doesn't oppress you physically.
	They try to control you what you think.
	They teach you what you think.
	So as somebody curious intellectually, it's so oppressive.
	Yeah.
	But not physically, you know.
	Yeah.
	That is a good point.
	So those other places, they weren't, well, I guess then North Korea was intellectually oppressing you as well.
	Of course.
	In China, there was just, you weren't even treated as a first person.
	I was getting raped.
	Yeah.
	I was a kid.
	That fucking hips when you say that to me.
	I'm going to lie.
	I'm not going to lie.
	That is good.
	You should have trigger warned him.
	Yeah, I need a trigger warning for you to say that.
	You're not going to share these things.
	We're used to saying jokes that involve that, but when it's real, that is just fucking a different thing.
	I have a question.
	So in researching your story, I know that there are some people that are detractors that try to discredit you and have tried to discredit your story and say that there's inaccuracies or that you may be fabricating or lying about complete events.
	Is that frustrating and where do you think that comes from?
	I mean, they say that Elon Musk is an alien, so people are really dumb.
	He is an alien.
	He's trying to go home.
	Some people that did have a logic thing before my first book comes out, I was living in South Korea, and South Korea is a very conservative, like India.
	If that I said I was raped for two years, I was a sex slave, no normal man, no normal mother-in-law gonna take me as a woman and then have a child with me.
	And as you know, I want to have a child, I want to have a family.
	So I had to hide about the fact I was raped in China and be trafficked.
	But then I had to write all that in the book.
	But other accusations was very stupid.
	So my English was very bad.
	I'd look up the word like political plants.
	But then they would give the word grass.
	So I ate the plants.
	I never ate grass.
	When they went to Google Earth, look up my path of escape.
	Yeah, I was talking to you as an artist.
	His appearance that here is not a mountain.
	And then sometimes my English is not perfect.
	So as you fix me, you call me a few times.
	I just say the few words wrong.
	I also think it's like a knee-jerk reaction.
	Like I remember being skeptical of you.
	And I think this is when I first heard it on Rogan.
	And I think it came from a place where I didn't want to believe those things were real.
	So my way of handling that information was...
	Well, it's got to be a lie because I don't want to live in a world where this is happening and I'm not going to do anything about it.
	Now I have to handle that.
	I have to settle that emotional debt.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	So I think it is.
	But there's also a main group that discrediting my story is the people who follow the Maoist, Leninist, Marxist, and Democratic Socialism.
	Is that North Korea is the only country that is the enemy of America, officially.
	So a lot of people hate America.
	Therefore, they love North Korea.
	And then they still want socialism to succeed.
	So then North Korea is the only country that holds the ideology officially, the socialist paradise.
	So they just hate that I keep coming out and discrediting socialism.
	Right.
	And again, they're just...
	And China, obviously.
	Oh, my God.
	They hate that.
	I demonize China.
	And then, of course, I speak out against the American mainstream media valued.
	I made so many enemies.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah, why do you want all these enemies?
	Is it worth the juice is worth the squeeze?
	Is that the expression we would use?
	Meaning your goal is to get eyeballs and attention on North Korea.
	Therefore, it's worth you going through this chaos now.
	Because you could easily just not say anything.
	Yeah.
	And that's what you love working in finance.
	North Koreans do that.
	When I went to Colombia, I could get a corporate job.
	I think I didn't understand how many people were this twisted and were that out of touch from reality.
	And also, somehow being cynical is a sign of intelligence.
	This is only a question for you.
Making Enemies for Attention 00:03:30
	It's called nothing.
	Literally, you don't need to really question everything.
	Some things are true.
	And it's going to show off.
	I can think, therefore, I can question you.
	So the cynicism is such a hot thing in America.
	Yeah.
	Do you ever get angry at these people?
	Oh, I laugh.
	So stupid.
	Really?
	Yeah, they are so stupid.
	And I feel bad for them.
	Like, at Colombia, one day, they, Justin, but gender fluid day, comes up, and he looked, I mean, they looked physically male.
	Yeah.
	Short hair, everything male, biologically male.
	So I did not know the difference.
	So I called him, like, hey, Justin, like, he said this.
	And then they came up in tears.
	How I made them like insecure, like, threatened emotional.
	Did you just say that I'm still working on my English?
	I tried to explain, but just in tears, he could not console himself.
	And I was thinking...
	Could you tell me to do a better job with his makeup?
	Or maybe do a lot more than makeup.
	I mean, he did a lot.
	They needed a lot of work to be unicorn.
	I mean, they go for unicorn.
	They're not even women or men, so they want to be unicorn.
	Yo, they is the hardest thing to predict because you can't predict that someone wants to be both.
	Yeah.
	Or neither.
	To predict male or female.
	I can say she, all they, but then they.
	You can never be upset if someone doesn't get they right.
	Because unless they go on the day.
	They do upset.
	They do get upset.
	But realistically, the chances, that's a role of the dice guests.
	There's no way to dress.
	You could dress like a woman to dress like a man.
	There's no they.
	Right?
	Am I missing something?
	Besides you?
	They can get mad after you, if they correct you and then you're still guessing.
	That's the first time.
	Oh, God.
	The first time on a day, they gotta give you that.
	But I meet hundreds of people every month.
	How am I gonna make it?
	Okay, okay, yo me.
	That bumble account is killing it, huh?
	But how, I mean, how would you expect somebody to, because I said you want to you, expect, I mean, how entitled are you?
	What are you?
	Like self-righteous people.
	I don't expect them to be.
	They call me yummy.
	I don't fix them.
	Like, so call me something.
	YP?
	You don't know about YP?
	They call me Yon.
	My name is Yon Mi.
	Yummy, Yummy, whatever it is.
	But for white people, it feels a little bit racist to pronounce your name in an Asian accent.
	Interesting.
	Do you know, like, you could say, if I was like, if someone's named Carlos and you're Carlos, that doesn't feel as racist.
	But if I was to go, Yanmi Pak.
	Pakistan.
	Yon.
	Yon me.
	Pak.
	Pak.
	Yeah.
	Yon me, pak.
	I would feel like I'm like mocking your, even though it's fun.
	Yon money makes you feel happy.
	I mean, yeah, just call me anything.
	I'm fine.
	Okay.
	But like calling you something wrong shouldn't be the end of the word.
	That shouldn't be the, like, for their oppression is that.
	And you're the perfect antidote for that in a lot of ways, right?
	Because for them, it's like, I am brainwashed the puppet.
	Of course, of course, but I guess what I'm saying is like they can't complain about their privilege or their lack of privilege.
	They can't complain about their struggle if you're around.
	Because you have the ultimate struggle.
	But they do.
Mocking Names and Identity 00:08:35
	Well, that's absurd.
	And I think that like when you, that's why I'm concerned about people potentially using you because that juxtaposition between somebody complaining about not being called they and you not complaining at all despite what you've been through, you could really expose those people.
	Yeah.
	So I'm like, for me, if I was like some billionaire, like super rich libertarian motherfucker or whatever, I would be like, yo, I need that girl.
	Get her over here.
	Let's pay her fucking tons of money or make sure she's cushy and make sure she's comfortable.
	She's smart.
	She's well-spoken.
	And she could expose all this ideology that I don't necessarily agree with.
	I would do that.
	Let's talk about your scheme.
	I know.
	I need to make more money so that we can get it going.
	Exactly.
	Let's find the figure out.
	We need to be the one.
	Let's get a list.
	They keep saying the black money and like how the... Black money works.
	I don't know.
	You can do about it.
	Like about how this idea is called Coke brothers and the...
	I don't know.
	Some very American core wealthy people are funding these ideologies and funding these groups.
	Like, where are they?
	Well, there are certain groups that do, right?
	On both sides.
	Connect me to them.
	I mean, like, I don't know where they are.
	Right, right, right.
	But they accuse me.
	I'm somehow funded by some libertarian group.
	And like, where are they?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's just very interesting.
	Yeah.
	I don't know where they are.
	I think they should fucking.
	They should present themselves.
	Yeah.
	By now, they should show up.
	Because you have the best story to thwart anything.
	It's really hard to argue with your story.
	Yeah.
	And your perspective on it too, right?
	I don't know.
	This is all I know.
	So I don't know how this is different to Americans.
	Okay, is there anything that you like about the left?
	The left.
	Or leftism or woke ideology.
	Is there anything that you like?
	Like, you've experienced discrimination even in South Korea, right?
	As a North Korean.
	Perhaps do you like the fact that the left might be more accepting of people from different backgrounds.
	Maybe not different ideological backgrounds, but visual, like you coming from another country wouldn't be an immediate thing that we would ostracize you for, the left would ostracize you for.
	Americans in general are very accepting of different backgrounds, even Christian.
	Right, though the same.
	Come on, Al.
	No.
	No, all not all areas.
	I guess so, because when I came to America, I went to Tyler, Texas, and then we went through Georgia, Atlanta, through Alconso.
	We did a like Bible mission group.
	So I saw the deep, deep, deep South.
	We knocked on doors, cleaned their garments.
	I think you were delivering something.
	No, we asked them, would you have a like, you know, trash to our, we can help you to do that.
	We would go to community service and read the books to children.
	Like, we would go pray for them and give the, in the homeland shelter, we make the like, you know, breakfast and feed them in the morning.
	So I did that work in the south.
	And I went to homeland shelter.
	They were very funny.
	They were like a lot of black men and they were very curious about where I coming from.
	But I'll just let you know there are still many places in America that are not so understanding and open to all types of people.
	Like there are places I can go where I'll get called a word.
	Really?
	Yeah, maybe.
	Yeah, I mean, Japan, South Korea, they don't even allow the foreigners into their restaurant.
	They're literally signs, foreigners are now allowed.
	PG Japan and Korea.
	Not Korea, but Japan, yeah.
	Yeah, they are literally restaurants.
	Public business don't allow you to eat there.
	So like for me, like I compared the racism to that.
	Gotcha.
	So it's like American racism is almost a joke, right?
	Like there is like no restaurant I have been there.
	You are not Asians now allowed.
	I've never seen that before.
	Yeah.
	In Japan, South Korea, clearly.
	Yeah.
	Foreigners are now allowed.
	Like white people aren't allowed to black people cookouts.
	We just don't allow them to.
	Unless they check out.
	They're allies.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	People are talking about this whole cookout they're going to have.
	They think that we want to go to this cookout so bad.
	Yeah.
	They think we can't wait to go to the public barbecue and then cook on the public rails.
	Exactly.
	I'd like to go.
	You would love to go.
	I'd like to know I'm invited.
	Alex, how many cookouts have you been growing up in New York?
	We didn't have fucking cookouts.
	Oh, yes, we did.
	Yes, we did all the time.
	We would go to the park.
	You wouldn't have gotten invited.
	All the time.
	Like all of us.
	You weren't invited.
	I wasn't invited all the time.
	There's a rare.
	It's a term in America when a non-black person is doing something that black people appreciate or respect.
	They'll go, he's invited to the cookout.
	Which basically means you're cool.
	You're cool.
	You're down.
	Like, I don't know what that term would be for in Korea.
	What is that term?
	Well, they have Korean barbecue.
	They have Korean barbecue.
	But anybody's allowed to go to the Korean barbecue.
	They invited him out.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So I guess it's just a term of endearance.
	It's our way of basically saying you're a good guy, you're cool.
	You're not one of the bad guys.
	There's so much I need to learn about this.
	The race thing is very unique to America.
	Very unique.
	So not a month of history books taught me this.
	Like if you're like, if you're live going to teach me about this.
	Yeah.
	There is a specific racial dynamic that exists in America that doesn't exist in a lot of other places because the black, a lot of the black people that are here are descendants of people that did not want to come.
	It's very different when you go to a country that is racist.
	You're opting in.
	Yeah, you chose to voluntarily go.
	Exactly, right?
	Whereas there are people who are here that are experiencing racism that were like, my family never wanted to be here and I got to put up with this shit.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	So it's not like they came for opportunity.
	Like, for example, Akash's family came here.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	And he might have had to deal with some racism, but that's what they signed up for.
	No, they didn't sign up for it.
	It's illegal to be racist.
	But they knew that going into it, there might be some situations that are wrong.
	Now, it's against the law.
	You can't discriminate against people, but they might go through some stuff that are going to be uncomfortable.
	To be fair, I don't know that my generation knew, but they were like, whatever, we chose to come here.
	They didn't have that option.
	A lot of black people.
	So that's why the dynamic racially is a little different than in other countries where it's like these people went to another place and they're oppressed there, but they might have been aware that there was oppression that waited for them there.
	Right?
	So it is a quite unique scenario.
	You're saying that they should go back where they came from?
	Yeah, so what Mark thinks is the solution of what's right.
	He literally just brought it up.
	He's saying it's a lot of right now.
	He's from Florida.
	He knows what you're going to get in Florida.
	He knows we should bring all the black people back where they're from.
	That's what Mark said.
	No, that you just said that.
	You just said that.
	What do you think about a guy who would say something like that?
	So my question is that.
	How do we get them?
	I'm just curious is that like so people in countries like Iran, right?
	Yeah.
	Horrible, horrible regime.
	But they say people let them go.
	If they want to go leave the country, they can leave the country.
	I think there was a small window where they did that.
	You're talking about when the Shah fell and a lot of the people.
	Nowadays, even Iranians have a password.
	If they want to leave the country, they can leave the country.
	Oh, is that right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Of course, a lot of countries are not going to accept them as refugees, but they can go travel other countries.
	Gotcha.
	So North Korean people don't even know the concept of passport.
	Right.
	So like at Colombia, these people like saying they can't breathe because this oppression is so bad.
	Like we can't breathe.
	We can't just chanting every day here.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's like if it's that bad, I mean, you don't need to even escape.
	You don't need to cross the desert.
	You can just go wherever you want, leave the country.
	Yes, you're hungry.
	You're going to Canada, Australia, or maybe.
	And they need to know that perspective.
	But that's just all they know.
	It's like, have you ever been like...
	But they should go if life is that unbearable.
	If what they're saying is really, really that unbearable, everybody should have a right to escape and have a right to live.
	And America is opening the door for people to travel around.
	Yes, that's true.
	So they should immigrate to North Korea.
	I think that's why I don't get the idea of...
	But North Korea won't let us in.
	They do.
	There were people who escaped.
	So they use them as actors in the movies and play the bad American bastards.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	They're like American white people, few hundred of them.
	They have a few hundred white Americans that just live in North Korea and they are not allowed to leave.
	They learned all like fluent North Korean and praise the dictator like us too.
	But they did get in.
	Also during the war, they captured some American soldiers that their children kept married.
	They don't immigrate them, right?
	They only marry the white whites.
	So the children are like still there.
Escaping to North Korea 00:06:36
	I mean, he can look it up.
	They praise the dictator so much.
	Like acting like North Koreans, but just white.
	Wow.
	Yep.
	So you can go to North Korea.
	Like if you hate Omega so much, go.
	Like the door is open.
	I don't get that.
	Why don't we not do that?
	Is there like a window for complaining?
	You should complain.
	I think.
	Like let's say you're eating out and you use the bathroom and you go to wipe and there's no toilet paper.
	Do you go, fuck, fuck this place?
	Or do you go?
	Oh yeah, even Liberty thinks I do.
	Exactly, right?
	So it's like, yeah, we complain a little bit, but we also know that there are situations like where you never had fucking toilet paper at all growing up.
	So maybe it's silly that you're complaining about it, but at the same time, it's okay.
	Like you just get it out the system.
	But let others complain too.
	But the thing is, they say they want the communist revolution.
	They want to dismantling the system.
	They want to tear down the constitution.
	They don't know what that is.
	They're just poor.
	No, the Ivy League professors who win the Nobel Prize thing.
	Yeah, she's saying, like, privileged Columbia kids, Ivory League professors.
	They're poor.
	They have gambling problems.
	They have gambling problems.
	Nobody with real money ever says that.
	This is for children.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Even Bernie, like, he got three houses and he's like, I don't really need to run for president.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, she's poor.
	She was making more money bartending.
	Once she gets some real money, she'll be like, okay, I'll be a more like neutral, take a more neutral approach to economic ideology.
	And then she'll fall in line with whatever the party is.
	She's probably making money off speeches or whatever.
	Yeah.
	I feel like she's making money.
	The more money she makes, the more she'll go, okay, I don't really care about this.
	It is a function of money.
	I promise you, that's all it is.
	It's like, that's why kids are the most into this whole like Marxist ideology.
	And then they get real responsibility and they're like, man, the government's taking how much of my money?
	Fuck that.
	You know, all you have to do is pay taxes one time.
	Not the government takes your taxes.
	You pay it.
	Like when you got your money from your book.
	And then you realize how much you had to pay.
	You're like, what the fuck?
	You just do that once in your life.
	And then immediately you go, oh, okay, okay.
	These libertarians are onto something.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I may know people who were like.
	Look at the Black Lives Matter founders.
	They're all about communism, everything.
	They get made fucking $70 million.
	They bought houses all over North America.
	Yeah.
	You just need, if you want to stop communism, give them all money.
	Give them money.
	Every person that is a communist, give them $10 million.
	If you want to stop it, if that's really what you care about, you want to stop it in its tracks, give them money.
	I don't want to stop communism.
	But I mean, it's evil ideology, but I want to have a freedom to talk about it.
	Sure, you know what I'm saying?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	If you want to convince them that it isn't that great, just give them the thing they don't have.
	I don't believe any professor that is wealthy only wants to be a communist.
	I don't believe it.
	And I believe that they have a drug problem.
	I believe they have a drug problem or they're into hookers or they're into something like that.
	I don't believe it.
	I don't believe it.
	I cannot imagine that this is a real thing.
	Yeah.
	I think Bernie really wants to help people.
	But even he doesn't want to be a communist.
	I think that he believes in more socialism, which we're already fucking socialists.
	We already have so many social programs.
	Like this idea that we're so far off from the UK, who identifies as a socialist nation.
	Like it's not even that far off, but we're just locked into this freedom narrative, which is great.
	It's who we are as Americans.
	Yes, absolutely, let's do it.
	And this idea of being socialist has been so bastardized because we're looking at Venezuela and they're eating the fucking animals in the zoo.
	We're like, I don't want any of that.
	But the reality is, we're not that far off from it.
	I think he just kind of wants to help people.
	But yeah, it's just a money thing.
	Once you get some money, all that shit thrown out the window.
	Wow.
	So they should work hard to innovate stuff.
	Do something.
	I mean, imagine you're a college kid, you signed up for college and you have $250,000 in debt.
	I'd want something from the government too.
	Marxism sounds great.
	Doesn't it sound awesome?
	I signed up for $250,000 worth of debt.
	I think the government should pay me.
	Right.
	Make college free?
	It's the entire mind.
	That's wrong.
	Why other people should pay for their university?
	They chose to go.
	No, it's not even, I don't think they're entitled.
	They don't really believe it.
	They're just saying it.
	They don't really believe they're entitled.
	The more you.
	Oh, they believe it.
	I think it's like the louder you say something, the less you really believe it.
	You're trying to convince yourself.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So you don't think these people that keep marching like free healthcare, free education, all the time?
	They're just bored.
	They don't have a job to make money at.
	But they have time to go around cancer people like me.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Oh, they're just bored.
	Yeah, they just don't have something.
	They just, they need kids.
	They don't have kids.
	Yeah.
	People used to have kids younger, and then they didn't have time to march because they were feeding a kid.
	Yeah, they would just be so busy.
	Like, I have no clinical marching anywhere.
	Exactly.
	I mean, you're a mother.
	Yeah.
	It's hard.
	Yeah, there's no time for anything.
	You're exhausted.
	And then someone goes, hey, be at the march.
	March.
	What do you mean, march?
	Can we sit down and do this?
	Yeah, I mean, I need to put baby down by 7 p.m. every night.
	There's no way I can march.
	Yeah, that's all it is.
	But you think they don't care or they're just too busy.
	What do you mean?
	Like, if you have kids, does that mean you don't care about those things or you're just too busy to care a little less?
	I think your world gets a little bit smaller.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Now, that's not everybody.
	I'm sure there are people who really do care.
	They want to make these changes for sure.
	But I think the majority of people, once they have kids, like, you know, the world shrinks a little bit.
	You know, you start to focus on those things and what you can do to help and provide for those people.
	And now, this idea that.
	Let's talk about the world deeply after children.
	Don't worry about everything.
	You don't want them to have a better word.
	I can imagine that for sure.
	I don't have kids yet.
	You genuinely worry about the world after children.
	I mean, that was my experience at least.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You worry about it a different way.
	It's very different way.
	Yeah.
	I spoke to, I was speaking to Rogan about that.
	Yeah.
	And it was like, he definitely said that.
	He's like, because I told him I was experiencing some apathy.
	Like I was very fortunate where I made some money and I felt comfortable.
	And I didn't have children.
	So I was in this state of this malaise, right?
	Where it's just like, I can do whatever I want and everything's fine.
	And I don't want to get riled up about politics.
	I don't want to get riled up about any of these things.
	And he goes, once you have kids, you're worried what they're consuming.
	You're worried what they're learning.
	Exactly.
	That's why you care about education.
	Exactly.
	Their classmates, everything.
	So you care about the world for them.
	Exactly.
	Not for yourself.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, I'm going to die eventually.
	Caring about other people.
	Very socialist.
	So you can be socialist just with the family.
Feeling Comfortable Without Kids 00:04:44
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Very Asian thing.
	Very Asian thing.
	Only the family matters.
	I'm curious: is there anything or any experiences or anything?
	Like, it's so interesting you get this new start on life where you come to America almost as an adult and you get to re-experience all these things and be exposed to everything new all at once.
	Are there things you haven't done yet that you're really excited to do that is on your bucket list?
	Like, oh, one day I want to go to this concert or I want to experience this thing.
	I mean, I heard, I mean, Burning Man was one of the time I really want to experience it, but I decided to like eventually was like, maybe I don't need to experience everything, maybe.
	You know, I don't know.
	I'm still debating.
	Definitely come to Burning Man.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I'm sore.
	Not again.
	Oh, no.
	Okay, what do you mean in the like, wait a second?
	Play up, play up.
	Player.
	Hello, damn, player.
	God damn it, you know?
	God damn it.
	I thought we were at the cookout.
	I love this guy.
	He's full retard.
	Probably some cockroach and like, you know, grasshopper cookouts for people.
	That would be awesome.
	That would be so awesome.
	Another question based off what he said, what was a memory you have in America where you're like, oh, this is freedom.
	This is what I can envision America.
	What did freedom feel like?
	Dating?
	I mean, literally, I can date anybody, any race, any socioeconomic class.
	Like, literally, I can date anybody I want.
	Like, in North Korea, I couldn't do that because my someone's class has been very low.
	Yeah.
	And nobody could marry me up.
	Yes.
	But here I can marry whoever I want.
	And that's real freedom for me.
	And even before the dating, like, and it doesn't have to be America.
	It can be South Korea too.
	What does freedom feel like?
	Because we don't know what it feels like because we exist in it all the time.
	I know there's like levels.
	I hate rules.
	I hate restriction in anything.
	Like for my wife to get me to do things, she knows she can't tell me.
	She has to, like, she has to tell me how it would make her feel.
	And I just love making her happy.
	So I want to do it to make her happy.
	She's a wise woman.
	Oh, she's very smart.
	Yeah, very smart.
	So she knows how to.
	Yeah, she's good.
	She's good.
	She's good.
	I'm going to keep her.
	Consensually.
	But okay, so what does it feel like when you go from not being able to make a single decision yourself to freedom?
	What is that?
	Do you know what to do with it?
	Do you understand it?
	Oh, it's overwhelming.
	So painful to be free.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's painful.
	To be free, yeah.
	You're scared of the consequences of choices you make.
	I mean, freedom is a responsibility, right?
	Speak on this.
	Because before you knew exactly what to do and you knew the rules and how you were affected if you broke the rules.
	Yeah.
	And now you're saying you have the ability to do whatever you want and you don't know the rules?
	Why is there a fear?
	I mean, thinking is tiring.
	I never thought for myself.
	That was not a functional brain in my head.
	Like, I was thinking for myself.
	It was very hard to do that.
	So even looking at a restaurant menu is probably like I would not read the menu with my first boyfriend.
	Like, why don't you choose for me something?
	I would not do that for a long time.
	And now I'm like, more fancy.
	Can you put the dressing on the side?
	Dressing on the side, right?
	That's America.
	I have too many calories.
	Please put the dressing on the side.
	But still, like, also, even what you want to do, do you get married?
	Even getting divorced is my free thing.
	Like, I need to be responsible for the consequences, right?
	And nobody will take care of me.
	And even the clothes that I choose to wear is my choice.
	And if somebody mumbed me, that's my responsibility.
	It's like everything is up to me.
	And it is overwhelming.
	I can see why people want the governments to take care of them.
	Yeah, you can see why people are compelled to security.
	Yeah, I don't want to be taken care of by something that is important.
	You want to know there's protection.
	Everything's going to be okay.
	Yeah, it is a human instinct in a way to feel it.
	I don't know if freedom is, if we're instinctually free.
	No, it's not.
	Yeah, I think it is a concept we kind of invented.
	Yeah, it's an innovative idea.
	Democracy is a new idea.
	Yes, yes.
	And it feels incredible and we thrive in it.
	But yeah, we do crave some sort of structure and some sort of protection.
	We do.
	So you coming from too much of that to none of it and not even being able to order off a menu.
	Yeah.
	Not even knowing what to wear.
Is Freedom an Instinct 00:06:42
	No.
	Or what to even study, what's out there.
	They say, what do you want to be in South Korea?
	It's like, I don't know what lawyer is.
	I don't know what comedian is.
	I don't know what any jobs.
	Like in North Korea, we are all like revolutionaries working in the farm, collective farmers, or the factory workers.
	That's all we got.
	We don't have the technology engineers.
	There's bankers.
	I mean, teaching North Korean hedge fund.
	I mean, that's like a different concept, right?
	Or teaching me about Bitcoin, that took six years.
	It took a while.
	Do you remember where you were when you first heard Gangnam style?
	South Korea.
	Yeah.
	Obviously.
	Yeah.
	You mean the music itself?
	The music?
	Yeah.
	By Sai.
	By Sai.
	Sai was a...
	Yeah, Gangnam study.
	Yeah, in South Korea, I heard the...
	And what was that like?
	Very funny, but like, I was very busy studying in the university.
	So North Koreans, when we come, South Koreans are a very educated population.
	They study since they're one, their mommy's tummy.
	They play them classical music and the English speeches, everything to them.
	They go through tutoring and like they study crazy hard.
	That means kids are pressured and they are busier than presents.
	South Korean high school kids are busier than any present in the world.
	They take the Korean SAT to go to university, but even planes don't fly.
	Wow.
	You can bother their noise.
	It's the most serious thing in Korea.
	I mean, they take the exam to go to university.
	Many kids killed themselves that day.
	Wow.
	Whoa.
	This is how competitive South Korean education system is.
	And then I was like, Korean age, like 17 years old, almost like 18.
	You got to learn school all over again.
	They placed me, I was a level of elementary school, like first grade.
	Yeah.
	I don't even know the ABC, like alphabet.
	So I had to study really, really hard.
	I had no time to eat myself.
	I like end up in the ER for man nutrition in South Korea because I didn't have time to eat.
	What?
	Yeah, so that's how I caught up.
	So I didn't really have time to follow the pop culture or anything.
	But to go back to my original question.
	Uncle Xai.
	Yeah.
	What was that like for you?
	For him?
	For you to just experience that.
	Found a lot of hot ladies dancing next to me.
	That's what I saw.
	You know, that song was huge in America.
	I heard it was around the whole world.
	It was how huge?
	Was like Beaters huge?
	Yeah, like what huge?
	It was as big as it can be.
	It was the most viewed video on YouTube.
	Like Beyonce, everybody knows Gymnam style.
	Everybody on the planet would know.
	Now, it's just one song, so it stops.
	Yeah, but I think some people would even know North Korea.
	Someone elite would know, but that's the country.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	I mean, wow, is right.
	Yeah, is that song was that amazing?
	I mean, they don't follow a lot of pop culture.
	Yeah, you like classical music more.
	Yeah, I'm very boring, grandma.
	I mean, I have a lot of catching up to do.
	No, that's good.
	Beginning from there.
	100%.
	100%.
	Okay.
	No, look, look, look.
	I'm not judging.
	I just, I remember where I was when I first heard the song.
	I was at the, I don't remember.
	Damn it, I wish I had a good story right there.
	Okay, any questions before we finish up this lovely interview with Yon-Mi?
	Yes, yes, Yon-Mi.
	Yeah, that's very proper.
	Isn't Yungmi your first name?
	Yeon-Mi is my, we don't have middle name.
	Yun-mi.
	Yeah, my first name is Yeon-Mi.
	But in Korea, would they call you Park Yungmi?
	Agunmi, yeah.
	The feminine is first.
	Right, right.
	Agyon Mi.
	Pak Yun-mi.
	Yeah, so that's the right way.
	Family name.
	Oh, it just doesn't mean anything.
	It doesn't mean anything.
	Okay.
	It might not be even our family member name, but my grandpa thought that she was like fine to get it.
	In Korea, do they call, do they say Kardashian Kim?
	I did not know who she was.
	So I did not have.
	I mean, I met, so I was like giving a speech at the Women in the World in London.
	And then my editors are from Penguin sitting together.
	There was some woman, Cara de Lovin.
	Yeah.
	Some woman comes up and she saw my speech.
	And then she was with some woman, Kendar Jenner.
	Kendall Jenner.
	Oh, something like that.
	And then I have no idea what these people are.
	And my editor is like, Yumi, do you know who's Kim Kardashian?
	He's like, of course I don't know.
	So he does better that way.
	Let's keep it that way.
	And then they took my book.
	They got some pictures of the papartes.
	So that's the only thing I think they did.
	That was something valuable in the recent years.
	Maybe I have a lot of other things.
	So your son will know about them.
	I hope not, but okay.
	But the internet exists.
	He's going to find freedom.
	Yeah.
	I mean, they were lovely and personal.
	Absolutely.
	They were really nice.
	Yeah, very, very, very friendly.
	Yeah.
	I think Kara Delevine, I think she goes both ways.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Does she give you that energy?
	I don't know.
	I cannot.
	I don't have a gay detector, no lesbian detector.
	You can't detect lesbians?
	Yeah, I can't.
	No.
	Yeah, how do you detect it?
	See, so she doesn't know that you're a lesbian.
	Yeah, they have very North Korean haircuts a lot of times.
	Oh, they have short hair.
	Well, sometimes they have short hair.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	There's usually a smell.
	Smell.
	Is it the perfume they use?
	It's like a musk.
	Yeah.
	They use a musk perfume.
	Which is natural.
	Yeah, some natural built like Kim Jong-un.
	Yeah.
	Sometimes they're like...
	They have built.
	There's ways to find out, lesbians.
	You can tell.
	And then the generous, like...
	She doesn't look like that.
	She has hairless.
	Like, if you saw her and she's like, I'm a lesbian, you wouldn't be like, no.
	Yeah, no, I would believe right.
	You believe a lot of that.
	There's certain girls where if they're like, I'm a lesbian, you'd be like, come on, you're just pulling my labia.
	But the thing is, most of my girlfriends are fluid.
	Like, I don't know that many straight girls living in New York and SF.
	Wait, what?
	Yeah.
	Because my friends go to Burning Man.
	That's why I think they are all like a...
	That's where it happens.
	They have a non-exclusive relationship.
	They both genders, right?
	Like they have SF boyfriend, they have Seattle boyfriend, they have New York boyfriend.
	Oh, no, your friends are.
	They're like very legitimate smart women.
Fluid Relationships in NYC 00:03:35
	No.
	These are modern women.
	Modern women who have a lot of open relationships.
	And my friends also even have an open marriage.
	No.
	Yeah, I went to TED, right?
	At the conference, and we had a retreat after TED people attended.
	And they were telling me about how awesome it is in an open marriage, you know?
	Like, he goes on dates with the women, and then she goes on trips with her boyfriend and comes back to the city.
	Okay, okay.
	When you see this stuff, are you ever like, we need a little North Korea in here?
	Not too much, but just a little bit.
	It just seems very lost.
	And it doesn't feel clean.
	I'm so sorry.
	And we just need a little organization.
	No, organization, I think individuals have a conscience to control that.
	I think.
	But I don't know what I never tried that lifestyle either.
	So I don't know.
	I cannot judge it.
	Same.
	But I don't think I want to ever try it.
	No.
	I just, my motor thing in there just telling me it's wrong.
	I don't think my father is going to look down like, oh, I'm so proud of you.
	Like, having your boyfriends in every city, you know, like, oh man.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, but that's freedom.
	I support them.
	Yeah.
	Nothing to shame if you're shame about it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'm curious, are there cultural issues that come up in your relationship that make like arguing difficult?
	Because I know friends that'll be in relationships with people in different cultures that grew up differently.
	Yeah.
	And you grew up so differently than everyone else on earth.
	I had it with my white partner with that.
	So you said you don't like to be told what to do.
	So like we have a kid.
	My ex loves getting coffee in the morning.
	I don't drink coffee, but he cannot function until he gets coffee.
	Like he needs to drink coffee to be like clear his mind and be like productive.
	So like I would tell him like, hey, I can take care of like our son.
	You can go get your coffee.
	Then he's like, don't tell me what to do.
	And I'm like, I was just trying to be nice.
	So you don't worry that I got like our son, I got the childcare part done.
	But then he's like, oh, don't tell me what to do.
	So I was like, I cannot figure out why, guys.
	That's when I was like, okay, I'm divorcing.
	Yeah.
	What?
	I say this.
	He's like, don't tell me what to do.
	I'm like, that just was a sign of love in our culture, right?
	You're being thoughtful and telling them.
	It's not even telling him what to do.
	You're just giving him the option.
	You're giving him freedom.
	If you want to go get coffee, you get coffee.
	If you don't, you know?
	Yeah.
	But it was out of love.
	You know, it was not like forcing him.
	Right.
	But he interpreted it as like I was like telling him what to do.
	So I was like, I don't know.
	I just don't know how to figure out this culture gap.
	Are you dominant in the relationship?
	I let the men decide big decisions.
	But when it comes to household and the childcare, I do.
	So I like to prevail.
	I want to put the couch.
	But like it will leave what school to send our kids, you know?
	You let him do decisions outside.
	But the little ones.
	It's like home is mine.
	Like what like socks I put on my son.
	But my and what if what if he goes against that?
	He does.
	He's like, you cannot put on that sweater on him.
	You cannot put that sweater on him.
	So what do you want to put on him as I said?
	What do you do?
	I thought like, no, I'm going to put this on him.
	But then he's like, no.
	So I think that's when I was confused in North Korea.
	Like usually men are the provider and protector.
	They make big decisions outside of households.
	And when it comes to little things at home, women decide.
	But I think the perfect equality of things, gender wars in America is like guys think they need to make insane in every single thing.
Battles Over Sock Choices 00:01:35
	And I'm like, no.
	Like he's just, oh, give me a break.
	I can't decide what stocks I put on my son, right?
	Like, I can't decide that little much, but I don't think they want to.
	It was too controlling.
	But I think that's American.
	They believe in the complete equality of gender wars, right?
	Was he a little surprised when you had opinions and that kind of stuff?
	Yeah, he's like, oh, I thought a North Korean woman is going to be very submissive right now.
	Yeah, I would be surprised too.
	But I was like, why do you think I escaped?
	So this is our back and there.
	That's a good ass point.
	That's on him.
	Yeah, it really is on him.
	He did not see that coming at all.
	He was weird looking, man.
	Oh my God.
	Yeah, so North Korean women are way more submissive in general, but not me, because I cross the desert to be free.
	Yeah, you are.
	You find my voice.
	Not going to submit.
	No, I'm not.
	Yeah, this is great.
	And we're so grateful for you coming on the podcast.
	Thank you so much for being here.
	I want everybody to go check out both of the books.
	But this one right here, while time remains, forward by Jordan Peterson.
	Shout out to Jordan.
	We love Jordan over here.
	So make sure you check it out.
	And you've got a great podcast with Joe.
	I'm sure you've done a lot of other speeches and stuff like that.
	So much stuff of you up on YouTube.
	So make sure you go check that out.
	And yeah, we're just so grateful you came.
	We're so grateful you're down to have fun and joke around.
	You know, this is a comedy podcast.
	So it was going to be, we thought, tricky to do comedy with also your incredibly traumatic life story, but you handled it with such grace.
	And we're really grateful that you're here.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you.
	Yay.

Chapters

00:00:00 The Polite Way to Ask
00:04:19 Eating Cockroaches and Rats
00:13:17 Inside the Roach Tummy
00:28:08 North Korea as a Buffer Zone
00:43:25 Kim Jong-un's Drug Habits
00:49:25 Guessing Her Origin Story
00:57:32 Dating During the Pandemic
01:04:12 Prison, Drugs, and Moving On
01:11:13 Communism Under Drugs
01:16:52 Shared Holocaust Histories
01:32:09 The Danger of Empty Talk
01:47:08 Starving People Procreating
01:51:27 The Kim Me Too Movement
01:57:54 South Korean Appearance Rules
02:05:31 Making Enemies for Attention
02:09:02 Mocking Names and Identity
02:17:37 Escaping to North Korea
02:24:13 Feeling Comfortable Without Kids
02:28:57 Is Freedom an Instinct
02:35:40 Fluid Relationships in NYC
02:39:15 Battles Over Sock Choices