Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh dissect a viral solar salesman N-word incident, contrasting it with the Will Smith slap to highlight racial pressures. They critique The Blind Side for whitewashing Michael Oher's story and debate whether society would execute Jesus today, linking this to MrBeast's presidential ambitions. The duo analyzes Cristiano Ronaldo versus Beyoncé's cultural impact, explores art valuation metrics, and details Taylor Swift's master re-recording strategy against Unilever contracts. Finally, they condemn Try Guys' Ned Fulmer for cheating while questioning NBA coach Ime Udoka's firing as potential racial suppression. Ultimately, the episode exposes systemic hypocrisy in race, corporate power, and celebrity ownership. [Automatically generated summary]
So, I mean, the title of the video, No Jumber Poster, says, Salesman accidentally calls his black neighbor the N-word.
I mean, it's a good time.
Gotta click.
First time I see this, I go, how do you accidentally call a black guy the N-word?
I don't understand.
This is what happens.
He just rings the ring doorbell.
Here we go.
Hello.
Hey, how you doing?
Hey, sorry, buddy.
I'm Fernando.
I work with Pick Energy.
We're a few doors down.
We're in 1845.
Okay.
So we do solar around here.
We're just coming around talking to this guy.
Sorry, dude.
Neighbors.
I called you guys, man.
Oh, my God, dude.
No, man, that wasn't even.
Oh, my God.
And then he just stands at the bottom of the stairs and just looks longingly at the door.
Rubbing his neck, like, what?
Oh, no.
He's like, my life is over, right?
I mean, that is tough.
Oh, I know.
How is this not more viral?
I mean, it's making its rounds.
Making its rounds.
Bro, it is crazy.
I got said this like a good 40 times.
I thought you were going to say, I called this a good point.
God damn.
That's crazy.
Has that ever happened to you, Al?
A Freudian slip?
No.
Yeah, a Mormon missionary?
No.
We're just here trying to spread the gospel.
It hasn't, thankfully.
Are you good, bro?
What have you?
You can tell how embarrassed, like, he was so embarrassed by it.
Yeah.
Oh, this guy just met him.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Trying to sell him something.
And turns out he lives three doors down.
Yo, he got to see him every day.
Oh, man.
That's rough.
That's fucking rough.
So the question is, like, does he say it?
I mean, he got to move, bro.
You got to move, bro.
You got to gotta move.
You gotta move.
Because you've told him what you, I live in the city.
Because this guy's breaking down the property value.
Oh, sorry.
He said what door he's in.
Yeah.
Son, son.
He said the address and his first name.
Hey, I'm Fernando.
I live in 1843.
Like, literally lives in 1843.
God damn.
And then I'm curious, the neighbor's reaction.
I was so disappointed the neighbor just went back inside.
Like, nah, the neighbor said, nah, it's dead.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm sick.
Like, I think he handled that shit right now.
Or at least get upset.
Like, he didn't really get that.
He was clearly upset.
I think the grown-up way is, we're not talking.
There's no conversation.
I'm not listening to your apology.
I'm out.
I think that was the, I think that's the best way to handle it.
Because the guy didn't do it on purpose.
He didn't knock on the door like, hey, I'm selling solar panels to, you know what I mean?
Yeah, that's crazy.
That's a whole way to handle it, but nah.
What are you really going to do with this?
Also, he can't even get no solar panel.
Think about that.
You don't think he wants solar panels?
Son, you don't think he's going to get free solar panels after this shit?
His motherfucking dad gets the free solar panel.
Nah, that's what he should have said out there.
How expensive are they now?
Yeah.
How much are they now, dude?
No, that's crazy because what if he'd been waiting to be asked?
Like, he goes, yo, Fernando down 1843 got these solar panels.
Bradley with the bills.
They're going to drop the energy bill down to zero dollars.
And he knocks on the door and just N-words him right to his fucking sky.
Son, the craziest part is he touched him afterward.
He's like, oh, I'm sorry, buddy.
Real slip.
That's what I'm saying.
The dude's reaction is crazy.
Like, the fact that he do nothing.
What would you have done?
Like, I definitely would have got loud.
Maybe, maybe a shove.
Maybe a shove.
You can't.
Well, he's not coming at you.
Come on, bro.
He's not coming at you with anger or violence.
That's the thing.
That's why it's like, what if someone politely calls you damn word?
Excuse me, mister.
Like, if somebody says, I'm getting loud.
Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Like, you get it.
And then he was like, I said, pardon me, mister.
You hit him immediately.
If he doubles up.
So you get loud and he apologizes, then what?
Then I'm like, what if he had a bora accent?
I'm like, yo, get the fuck out of here.
Okay.
And then it's over.
That's your big beef with this guy.
He didn't do nothing.
He just ate that shit.
He did the same thing without saying anything.
Bro, you know what the crazy thing about fighting over someone calling you the N-word is that if you lose that fight, bro, everybody call you the N-word.
Like there's even more pressure on the black dude.
Not only do you got to fuck the dude up that calls you N-word.
No, sorry, not only do you have to do something, you gotta fuck, you can't lose.
Yeah, you gotta win.
Yeah, but he's not gonna fight back.
Because he's in the wrong.
He knows he's in the wrong.
That's how you know he's not really racist.
Yeah, but this is a disaster.
That's how you know he's not really racist.
He's gonna get a free shot.
He could have got a free shot on dude.
Dude, can't hit him back.
You get a free knockout.
World star, let's go.
Slap.
It's a slap.
Open hands.
Oh, yeah.
Backhand is so bad.
Backhand is disrespectful.
Bro, you seen that video in like Hawaii or something where my man, you ever see, yo, he like, well, he.
Oh, yeah.
That's the Will Smith shit, too.
The guy tried to kiss him, that reporter or whatever, like tried to punk him, like by kissing him.
And he just like, just like one time.
Yeah.
Back of the hand is awesome.
Yeah.
Backhand is good.
But this dude knocked the guy out with it.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I saw that.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's insane.
The other thing I'm curious about with this is like, he chooses to post this on the internet.
What's your take on it?
What do you mean?
The black neighbor posted it on the internet.
It's on a ring camera.
Yeah.
So I'm assuming he posted and goes, you guys won't believe what happened.
Yeah, this is your payback.
Yeah, you gotta get your camera.
You call me the N-word to my face.
I didn't beat you up.
You're gonna get publicly humiliated.
Bare minimum.
Now, to Alex's part, would you rather get beaten up if you're Fernando?
I would.
Oh.
Private humiliation.
Private humiliation.
That's private humiliation.
You get slapped up.
Alex is actually being more humane, just beating the guy.
Alex wouldn't do this.
Son, you're right, I'm wrong.
If you...
Of course, if I knock him out, I'm posting that stick.
What the fuck are you talking about?
What?
Yeah, you come the next day.
Yo, Fernando, I'm going to need that ring footage.
Fernando, do the right thing.
No, that's a great point.
You hit in four now.
Let's go.
Private humiliation over public every single day.
Oh, yeah.
And also, if you fuck him up, you can't even really be that angry at him no more.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, you have a neighbor again.
Yeah.
Like, it ain't even awkward.
Just come get beat up and then we'll have Sunday dinner or something.
Yo, I'm really sorry about that.
Yo, me too, man.
I was a little crazy, but you did a thing.
You can be friends.
Probably good.
Yeah.
That's the best way to make friends with a black neighbor if you really think so.
Yo, if you really think about it.
The best way, the best way to make friends with your black neighbor.
The casual brush off is the fun.
It's the fucking craziest part.
He actually acts like nothing happened.
Hey, oh, my bad, buddy.
It's like he called him the wrong name.
He was like, I thought it was fucking mind-boggling.
Like, you don't realize this is, oh, my God.
You got to mortified.
Walk off.
Holy shit, I'm so sorry.
Go to the end.
Hope you don't get fucked up.
I can't fast forward.
Why not, son?
Because there's Instagram.
There's literally a ticker thing right there.
That's a screen recording.
Oh.
We dump.
You guys are both 40 equal.
This is insane.
Wait, are we dumb to think that that's...
Yeah, we're not dumb to think that.
No, you guys are super smart.
Okay, here it is.
It's better with the buildup.
Hey, how you doing?
Hey, sorry to bother.
I'm Fernando.
I work with Peak Energy.
We're a few doors down.
We're in 1845.
Okay.
So we do solar around here.
We're just coming around talking to niggers.
Sorry, dude.
Neighbors, I apologize.
He's laughing.
No, man, that wasn't even.
Sorry, dude.
I'm sorry, dude.
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Oh, fuck.
Sorry, dude.
It's crazy.
Alex, you got to give him one stiff bitch.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You got to get him at least one stiff bitch.
Remember Danny?
Danny Brown?
Oh, you got to get at least one stiff bitch.
So that's what I'm saying.
He had to do something, bro.
Oh, sorry, dude.
So, like, that is the weirdest part of it.
Let's look at the comments.
A nervous chuckle.
Are you serious?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Van Lathan.
What the fuck?
Is there any funny comment?
I have a feeling there's not.
Bro went off script a bit.
Bro.
Now, can we talk about something that is completely unrelated to race?
Yes.
Please.
Okay.
Please.
Football.
Obviously, there's no racism.
Football is racial unity.
It is racist.
Races coming together to play sports.
Like, remember the Titans.
You seem to remember this.
I remember them.
I'll never forget the Titans.
Left side.
Strong side.
Right side.
Not in the movie.
Okay.
Well, my point is.
Can I brag?
Yeah.
If anybody listened to me and bet what I told them to bet last week, they'd have won money.
Is that right?
I said, bet on the Ravens to cover the spread.
They won.
And then this week, where are we going?
What's our cox's pick this week if we're trying to make money?
What's our cox's pick this week?
It's hard to bet, but my safest bets are the Seahawks are not going to cover the spread against the Lions.
They're like, they're favored to, I guess the Lions are favored to win by four and a half.
I think they're going to win by more than four and a half.
I don't think the Seahawks are good at all.
And I think the Lions are, they're one and two, but I don't think they're that bad.
I think they're better than their record.
The other one is the Rams and the Niners.
Because I think the Niners are, they should be good, but they had a quarterback who I thought was going to be good.
Maybe Trey Lance, he got hurt.
Jimmy Garoppolo, we know he's in.
But their left tackle who's like maybe the best in the league, he's hurt.
So for a quarterback who's right-handed every time you go back to pass, your left side is the one that you got to worry about because you can't see it.
And that's, we ever heard a quarterback is hearing footsteps?
If that left side is giving up a lot of pressure, you start, your whole fucking mental clock is because you're worried, yo, I'm going to get fucked up on the side I can't see.
I could break ribs.
I could do whatever.
So I think, and the Rams have a pretty good D-line.
I think that's going to fuck with Jimmy Garoppolo.
Mid-movie about that.
The Rams are the blind side.
Yes.
That's the whole thing.
Wait, really?
Yeah.
That was the idea though.
Highest paid person on the line.
Yeah, the highest, usually like the third highest paid position on the team-ish is the left tackle.
And that's left side, strong side.
I don't know if that's Remember the Titans, to be honest.
Damn it.
Okay.
No, left side, strong side is Remember the Titans.
No, but that's on they're both on defense.
The Blind Side is a movie about Michael Orr.
Yes, who was an offensive player.
No, but he was adopted by a family that didn't see color.
And that's why it's called The Blind Side.
This is about the white people being heroes.
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Yeah.
And not about an amazing journey that a young black kid overcame unbelievable obstacles.
It's about a lady who happened to house a kid and then he went to the college she wanted to go to.
Yeah.
Coincidentally.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Not out of love.
That's why they're the heroes.
Yes.
It's not about this kid overcoming destitute poverty.
No.
It's about people who own 80 taco bells.
Exactly.
It's about like rich people just making another gamble and then it worked out.
That's what it's really about.
That's what's so heroic.
Did they make money on this?
Again?
Like, did the family make, like, do they get any of his money when he went to the league?
I don't think so.
I don't think they needed money to be.
They were like rich.
Also, he apparently said he was like, y'all made me sound like I can't fucking read.
Like, what is his depiction of me?
That is also true.
He was like, I wasn't retarded.
There was some green mile in it.
And it was fucking disgusting.
It was a little take my hand boss in it.
Yeah, I didn't watch it.
No, good for you.
Because I knew what happened.
What happened?
The black guy made it to the week?
He got in.
Yeah, okay.
He got in.
I didn't watch Passion of the Christ for the same reason.
Yeah.
Dev, did you watch Passion of the Christ?
I watched it with him.
And for the joke, I was going to let him finish.
Oh, you did.
He was just there with his eyes closed.
Yeah, you're afraid of his eyes out.
I took Dove as a punishment.
Yeah.
Because, you know, it's like.
Wait, you cry?
Oh, falling.
Never forget.
Never, but for him.
We'll never forget.
Every tragedy has like a memory-based slogan, except that one.
You ever notice that?
What do you mean?
A day they'll live in infamy.
Never forget.
Yeah.
No, it's not.
It's this one.
That's it.
Right there.
Never again.
But I'm saying Jesus died.
There's never like a oh no.
Yeah, it is.
Albeck.
Yes.
Arnold.
Yeah, no, that's that original.
It was Jesus.
Oh, really?
Three days later, no?
Wait, do Jews say hallelujah?
Sure.
Yeah.
That's their celebration.
Oh, fuck.
Yeah.
Oh, you think they're celebrating when Jesus died?
Yeah, they killed him.
Hallelujah.
Whoa.
Yeah.
That's y'all shit.
That's they were killed by the Romans.
The Romans.
Oh, I heard different.
He told me it was y'all people.
You did.
Tweet him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yesterday.
You told me.
I'm just going off what the knowledge that I love.
You know what?
I support you.
Post it.
Wow.
Wow.
I won't follow you.
He's calling you pussy right now.
I'm just letting you know.
He's calling you pussy.
I don't think he's called stiffly, bro.
You know, they're making the sequel.
To what?
Passion of the Christ?
How?
What is that?
It's called the Resurrection.
I don't know.
What do you, what?
But if any movie in history deserved a sequel, it was Passion of the Christ.
But what happened after he came back?
Because I thought they show when he comes back, don't they?
Yeah.
In the first one.
It's a lot of light, right?
Just like.
Yeah, it's kind of just light.
But explain to me what happened when he came back.
Were there cool stories when he came back?
He comes back.
He links up with some of his boys.
He sees Thomas.
Thomas doubts that he actually resurrected.
He's kind of like tied up some loose ends.
A lot of loose ends.
Yeah.
But tell me what happened.
He goes away again.
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Yeah.
And then he's like, I'm going to go ascend and be with the fucking.
We're allowed to have four matrices.
We can't have two Jesuses.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, we can't have two Passions of the Christ.
You can't passion twice for Christ.
Yeah.
Wait, when he came back, how many days was he like rocking out before he was?
No clue.
Oh, okay.
I got the last state.
Maybe that's in there.
That's probably in the movie.
Yeah, that's probably the big reveal.
I thought he just like hung around.
He's like, yo, what up?
And then he's like, I'm out of here.
Yeah.
He walked on water.
After he came back?
No, that was before.
No, that was in Galilee.
Okay.
How's that going to do?
Have I come back from the dead and you still need me to walk on water?
Suck my dead.
Yeah, right?
Fuck you.
Why am I doing miracles?
Can I ask y'all a serious question here?
Do you think that we would have killed Jesus today if he was doing all that shit?
Because we've killed people for less.
Well, today, today?
David Blaine's still walking around?
But we know he's not really walking on water.
But like, Martin Luther King was trying to help poor people.
Got him.
Right?
Like, everybody who tries to help the poor and disenfranchised murked.
Dude, Mr. Beast better look out, boy.
I'm just saying.
That's actually my concern about Jimmy actually running for president.
Is that like right now?
He's unanimously loved.
Children, adults love him.
And running for president is going to make people hate you, especially if you're attacking the power structure in any way.
That's the thing.
Is it poor?
Is it helping poor people or is it like disrupting the government?
Like, oh, don't go to Vietnam.
Who does the government serve, though?
Yeah, but like, if you're like real estate developer.
But if you're running a charity, I don't think anyone cares.
But if you're like, oh, don't join the war effort.
They don't care, son.
Joseph Kony, fucking remember?
Remember those guys that was just trying to stop Joseph Coney?
Yeah, yeah.
Remember?
And they made one of them go fucking crazy and jerk off in public and say it name.
They ultered him.
They MK ultered him 100%.
Maybe.
Don't fuck with the status quo.
But if the status quo is keeping poor people poor and rich people rich, then you kind of fucking with people's money, bro.
Yeah.
Selfishly, I want him to run.
Yours is a valid concern.
I'm just saying, like, you're so loved.
Yeah.
You're going to have to sacrifice that love.
Yes.
And you're going up against a machine.
And you're going to be so wealthy.
It's like that would be the ultimate selfless act.
Yes.
It's not only are you not attached to money, you're not attached to love.
You willing to give up all the love, be hated.
Also, as president, you got to do some shit that's not super likable.
Yeah.
It's like, oh, what do we do in this war?
And it's like, all right, we got to kill a bunch of people.
Yeah.
We blew up a country and saw who survived.
You don't want to be a part of all that.
That shit sucks.
No, that's kind of fire, though, dude.
It'd be sick.
YouTube.
He's almost preparing for it right now.
Like, this island is yours.
And it's like, what part of the Middle East?
That is actually cool.
We could translate those videos brilliantly.
Yeah.
How has nobody hired him?
Buried alive.
Yeah.
Shout out to Jimmy.
Yeah.
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We should be able to put money down on Bet Online on whether Jimmy will run for president or not.
Oh, that'd be sick.
Choose Jimmy.
Say again.
For context, who's Jimmy?
Mr. Beast.
Thank you.
Thanks, Miles.
Thank you very much.
You could do no wrong.
He's right.
Could have been wrong.
You can do no wrong.
How did I pronounce Garoppolo the other day?
Giropolo, I think.
No, I was doing something.
I forget what it was.
When he said it.
Garoppolo.
Garoppolo.
Where are you trying to be?
You're trying to do some accent.
I was doing some fucking accent.
Yeah.
It doesn't matter.
Point is, you're not thinking, you're not going to put any money down on Jimmy.
Oh, I'll put money down on Jimmy.
You think 49ers got it?
Oh, no.
Over the Rams?
What?
This is the greatest.
This is the greatest ad this ever happened.
This is the greatest segment this ever happened.
Two different bets happening.
You guys know.
You see how I got confused.
You see how I got confused.
Hey, listen, listen.
I've only modeled this here for God's sake.
You're going to really use it right there, bro.
Come on.
That one right there, I'm going to admit was your fault.
I'm going to admit that that was your fault.
You know what I mean?
Most times I admit it's my fault, but that was you.
That was on you.
Okay.
Would you put money for Jimmy on president?
Well, I would put money down on Jimmy running for president.
Garopolo.
Garoppolo.
Yes, 100%.
After he split the ship from that porn star, remember last year?
I think it was last year.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So two.
No, it was two, three years ago.
Last year.
Fine.
You want to put some money down on that?
You said last year?
Yeah.
I'll put money.
Damn, bro.
You know you lost right there.
You know, you lost.
Okay.
My point is, is that you go in Rams over 49ers.
Rams over 90.
You're going Lions over Seahawks.
Lions over Seahawks.
One more game.
I put money on the Eagles over the Jags.
They're big favorites, but I just, I don't know.
They just look really fucking good right now.
Unbeatable.
Not unbeatable, but they're in there.
The season is long, but right now they're the team.
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Let's do some feelings no fact.
Can we just do feelings, no facts?
I'm going to rifle through a story.
This has been too many facts this episode.
A lot of facts.
Think of all the facts.
A lot of facts.
I want to rifle through a story.
You just tell me what your feeling is, okay?
Post Malone goes up on stage, falls into a hole, allegedly breaks a bunch of ribs.
Did you see the video?
Yeah.
This poor guy, dude.
Check it out.
Also, the nicest dude, it seems like.
I know.
But he's just doing his thing.
Walking.
Oh, fuck, bro.
You probably don't think it's real.
Oh, shit.
Okay.
Pause.
What jersey is he wearing?
St. Louis Blues, probably.
Don't bet, probably.
Yeah, don't bet on that.
Don't bet on that.
That's smart.
Absolutely ridiculous stage design.
That's kind of crazy, right?
I mean, so stupid, especially if you know that you're doing it in the dark.
Like there are segments here in the show that are going to be in the dark.
Yeah.
And you're just going to have an open hole in the middle of the stage.
I think instruments or something were supposed to come up from there.
It was something.
Imagine he came out from.
Yeah, it was either him or there was some sort of like moving stage section, right?
And somebody was explaining to me, I understand why they have it like that, but the second that it changes, that has to be filled immediately.
Or it has to have some sort of like barrier.
It's crazy.
Yeah, yeah.
No way.
No fucking way.
So whose fault is this?
Is this like the venue?
I think it's stage design.
Because I imagine they do the same stage design in every venue that they go to.
Gotcha.
So, or every venue that can like handle it.
And that's on your stage designers.
Now, the crazy thing is, and I don't know posts, but like sometimes, like I know how I am.
I want a thing a certain way.
And I tell motherfuckers that it has to be this way.
Even if they tell me it's dangerous because you could fall into it.
So it might be a creator thing.
And he goes, why would I fall into a fucking hole?
Like, I know how to walk around.
I know how to see a hole.
And then for context, tell me.
Radio City Music Hall.
And Jack Schultz, when we went in there to plan all the creative, he wanted to use everything.
They've got the lights.
They've got different lifts, elevators.
Giant lift.
And this is like the craziest union in the game, like the first union.
And I remember the person from MSG was like, hey, just because you can use everything, it's not on a cart.
We're using a 100-foot LED wall.
And I'm just like, who wants to use it?
He wants to use it.
You know that thing that we're coming up from, the other thing I came up when I did the intro, whatever like that, that was what, $20,000 to do that?
No, that's what you told me.
No, We saved you $20,000 by getting you offstage.
Yeah.
It was $80,000 before.
Exactly.
It costs way more.
I wasn't trying to flex.
I swear to God.
I wasn't trying to do it.
They don't charge per thing.
It's all included, but they have to have the crew to do it.
They tape off the elevator.
So there's no real way to calculate it.
But she was just about safety, about saying like, Absolutely everything.
You're not paying for it.
They're taking it off of what you make.
Yeah.
So you're just deciding how little time.
Yeah.
So that was really important that I got off early and Mark ran his time.
Every time he brings this up, I mean, one minute.
Do you know how hard is it going to be?
I'm just saying.
You're all going, Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark.
I'm like, guys, stop it.
Stop it.
Intrusive thoughts in your head?
Yeah, because of my brain.
If you fell though, that was like a 15-foot, 20-foot drop.
I thought about that when I was going up, but they put like a little netting or some shit.
But like, if I just had my foot.
Are you worried getting your sliced?
Yeah.
That's crazy.
I was like, what if I just got really nervous and I passed out here and just my arm leaned in?
Oh, my God.
Just destroyed.
You're fucked.
A vice.
Yeah, smash.
Would you finish the show, though?
Yeah, of course.
Of course, I'm going to finish the show.
You were facing forward.
You good thing your nose didn't get.
Yeah, yeah, that's a guy hit.
You're a little bit more.
You fucking jerk.
That's what I'm saying.
You're looking skinny, huh?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Did we talk about the bet?
Nah.
No, we should find a way to get bet online to do that.
Did we open up with a ball?
Oh, we should bet.
We should be able to bet on that.
That's a prop bet.
We need bet online to do this.
So Dove and I have a $1,000 bet that in the next 40 days, we're going to take a picture of ourselves and whoever you guys decide looks better.
And it has to be objective.
$1,000?
I'm an objective guy.
Yeah.
$1,000.
This is Dove's idea.
That doesn't seem like, I mean...
Yeah, it's not that much motivation.
Right?
That's why I think he's going.
It could be $10,000.
It could be $10.
Nah, here's the thing, though.
Public humiliation will drive him.
He's not driven by the money.
True.
But losing to Dove.
Yeah, the money is nothing to me.
It's the idea.
We know.
We got it.
Guys, why don't I smash on yourself?
It costs $60,000 for the elevator.
I was lying when I said $20,000.
So it's actually much more.
I'm thinking, much more.
I think Dove is going to have a lot.
I think Dove is crazier.
Yes.
I think Dove is like, like, too afraid of humiliation, whereas you'll be like, ah, doesn't matter, you know, we're good.
You know what, though?
If Dove loses, he just won't pay you, I think.
No, that's easy.
I'll take the money out now and someone holds it in escrow.
One of you guys.
I will hold it.
I will hold it.
My body's like.
Let me hold it.
We have to lay out a couple of things here.
It's not who loses the most weight.
Obviously, Dove is capable of losing way more.
Correct.
It's who looks the best.
And how do you determine that?
Objectively, you guys decide.
Can we do a vote, like a poll on the internet?
No, it's unfair to me or Dove.
I was going to say it's unfair to Dove, but it's like it could be unfair.
Dove feels like that people hate him.
That's what he feels.
No, no, no, no.
Some people are just going to vote for it.
What if we do a poll on the street and we take the heads off?
Well, that was the other idea that was we could just go objectively walking up to different people on the street that don't even know and then just show the picture whose body is better.
Dove also doesn't want to see the back of his body because it looks like a surfboard.
So I think it has to be everything below, it's below the chin, above your pubes.
360?
Midsection.
Midsection.
Take your shirt off.
Who looks better?
Yeah.
360.
360.
No, no, no.
He looks fun.
We talked about this.
You just said it a minute.
It's the whole body.
It's the whole body, dude.
The whole torso.
It's a shirtless picture.
A shirtless picture.
Yeah, of your front and back.
No, what's wrong with that?
Why are you so afraid of your picture?
Because we said 40 days.
What's wrong with you?
Everybody knew what I'm able to do.
I have love handles that only God can take care of after months and months.
But from my front, which you call out my little gut right here.
It's your breasts more.
They'll turn to pecs, but they'll still be kind of breasty.
But I'll have a six-pack in 40 days that will be very visible with a great tan, and you will look like a pumpkin.
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Well, I'll get tan.
There's no question.
I will get a tank.
That is the hardest part for you.
I will go tan.
No, that's the hardest part for you.
You're going to do a fan.
That's the hardest part for you.
I'm going to go to a tanning bed for this.
Oh, you're going to go.
I'm doing blackbody.
What do you mean he wants to do that?
I'm doing blackbody.
I will do blackbody like one of those workout guys.
100%.
This is a huge advantage you have just because he got to do what he got to do.
Your parents are from Africa.
Say it.
You have a huge advantage.
Wow, boy.
He's the most African-American person on this podcast.
That's 100%.
He is.
Way more African-American than you.
Yeah, so there's no question.
I'm definitely going to get more tan in this section.
I won't tan anything else.
It's just tan from here because we have to do this film still.
I will just take a man.
And then that's it.
100%.
Yeah, that's cool, actually.
Yeah, this is great.
$1,000.
Done.
Boom.
Perfect.
Okay, Feelings No Facts.
Hit us.
There's a debate on Twitter, Cristian Ronaldo versus Beyonce.
Basically, this girl said that Beyonce had more global influence than Cristiano Ronaldo.
Prove us wrong.
You're the football fan here.
She was basically like, look, I look at soccer players.
I don't know any of them.
I live in America.
And if you're trying to sell to me, you got to go with Beyonce.
That's the only person I'm going to connect with.
And all these people from all over the world are like, bro, Cristiano Ronaldo is the most sold jersey of all time.
Kids in the Middle East, Africa, everything.
What's his influence, though?
Did he change football?
Did he change anything?
What do you mean, change?
Well, that's what influence is more so right now.
Influence, you can also turn up.
You're not a bunch of people want to play.
Everyone wants to be him.
There you go.
He's influenced all these people to want to be him.
I think Beyonce and J-Lo.
Remember in the 90s how much we liked weave.
This is an interesting discussion.
We're not talking about who's more famous.
We're talking about who's more influential.
I'm sorry.
I think the original claim is that.
Let's do this because it's in the thing and it's more fun.
Okay.
Who's more famous?
You just look at the fucking ID follow.
I think the claim is popular, but influential might be more significant.
Yeah, popularity, it's without a doubt Cristiano Ronaldo.
There's not even a question.
I mean, I believe it.
I agree.
Yeah, but influence is really interesting because there are people who are incredibly famous, but you might not do anything because you don't want to be them.
And influence has to have like an aspirational quality.
And even influence in terms of just the way things change.
Like Ronaldo, there was always Messi.
So how much can you change the sport?
Whereas I really think in the 90s, it was like mainstream beauty was like super thin girls.
I think Beyonce and J-Lo helped more than anybody pushing it toward like, no, we like more full-figured women.
You don't need to be that skinny.
You don't need to be anorexic and all this shit.
Look like a woman.
Yep.
I think that's Beyonce.
How did Cristiano, and again, I don't know the effects on soccer, but like, is there something specific that he does in soccer that makes you want to play like that?
Like when Alan Iverson, like, okay, so what.
He came in with like a flashiness.
Like he made an entire like soccer cleat like his own.
Like the Mercurial Vapor, everyone saw it and was like, I want that because Ronaldo wears those.
Like it was the fastest one.
He was the fastest player on the field.
So everyone was like, yeah, I want to be like flashy, handsome, threaded.
Hold on, threaded lifestyle.
But that's not influential.
Like what Steph Curry did to, like, Steph Curry is way more influential than LeBron.
It's not even a question in terms of like the game of basketball.
Steph has changed the way that every player plays game basketball.
Alan Iverson, way more influential than LeBron in terms of basketball, changed the way that people played basketball.
LeBron more popular, LeBron better.
Jordan.
That is influential.
Same thing.
Like you could even argue there was a white basketball player named Jason Williams.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Whose impact on basketball?
White chocolate was way more than people that were way better than him and the people who you could even say more skilled and all these other things just because the way he played the game was so different.
With Ronaldo, I don't know enough about soccer to say, but like I don't watch him and go, damn, he's playing soccer so different.
When I see a guy like the Brazilians, you know, like a Neymar who's got all this crazy footwork.
I would say though that Neymar was inspired by Ronaldo.
Okay.
So break it down.
I grew up.
I don't know necessarily either like how he impacted soccer before, but like for me, at least growing up with Ronaldo, it was like, oh, yeah, everyone wanted to be him.
And he brought like a flashiness to the game, especially when he was younger.
He was like 18.
He would just like stand in the corner and just do like crazy moves.
And in my opinion, like watching Ronald or Neymar come up like that.
He's a product of, yeah, he's like kind of a branch from his tree that like playing with super flash, like not, I mean, he's like a team player, but still likes the attention on himself.
And like just that component alone, like on such a team sport, I think is probably unique.
But I don't know if he's as influential as Steph Curry was to basketball.
Yeah, because again, I don't know anything about soccer, but when I watch him play, it doesn't seem like he's doing something so different than when like Maradona.
I see videos of him.
Like there's certain guys you just see and you're like, whoa, this is just a different type of maybe what Dev was saying with the healthy lifestyle shit influence beyond like he's literally that viral video of they have the Gatorade or the Coke on the table when he's doing the press conference and he puts it down.
He says, don't drink that, drink water.
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And it's like, maybe that influence.
So it's bigger than those little things like the celebration, like the way he would like line up for like free kicks.
Everyone would just do that shit.
I mean, even the celebration, everyone does the Suli shit.
Do it in the UFC.
Yeah, like they do it everywhere.
And like, that's all from him.
It's hard to answer this, though, because influence how singers can't really copy one another.
Like rappers maybe can, but no one can sing like Beyonce and perform like Beyonce.
So it's like they would like to.
Wasn't Beyonce the first one to do the unannounced album drop just all at once in the middle of the night?
Very true.
Now that's the way you found.
Yep.
Oh, that's huge.
But you're influencing singers.
Like it's a smaller number than around every single person in the world outside of the U.S. music around the world.
Yeah, beauty standards, I think, again, just to touch on just those two are like pretty.
I think Beyonce became like an archetype of a person that you want to aspire to be.
Like she became like a North Star for women.
Like what would Beyonce do in this to the left?
Tell you, even if she didn't follow her own shit, you're like, what would Beyonce do in this situation?
Oh, tell that guy to leave.
Girls run the world.
Girls are powerful.
And I think that influence to women was there.
To gay men was there.
I mean, she was like super influential to dick lovers all over the world.
But in terms of like, yeah, the influence is so interesting.
And that's why I think like, okay, to your point about music, like sometimes the micro-influencer, like the person who influences the famous people is arguably the most influential because that blood enters all these other people who then give it to the masses.
You're more upstream.
The most furthest upstream, like the producer, like a new producer comes out and all of a sudden all the songs are done by them and then everybody's copying the sound, but it's all coming from Metro Booming or somebody.
I don't know.
I'm just using somebody arbitra in this situation.
So this might be more of an example that's like a gatekeeper than an influencer, but apparently Atlanta strip club DJs basically they decide what gets played in Atlanta and the strip clubs and that decides what the hot hip-hop interesting.
That's a thing I've heard is like they are the guys.
If you get your shit that starts popping in the strip clubs in Atlanta, you're hot.
That's it.
Nationwide, you're hot.
Career ready to go.
It's like in art, there's like four galleries.
And if you're in one of those galleries, you're legitimized as an artist.
And that's fucking influence.
When you take somebody from, when you take something with zero intrinsic value, give it a cosign, and now it's worth $10,000, $20,000, $100,000 million.
That's influence.
So the gallery, the gallery has the influence?
Okay.
Anna Wintor, Kanye.
I was talking to this dude about some art stuff, and I was like, what makes something like he called himself a treasure hunter, which is the most fire fucking term because it wasn't just art.
It was every, he was just a guy who could like hustle.
And I was like, what, what gives something, well, two different dudes.
The art guy that I was talking to was like, what makes art value?
I don't even understand this shit.
It's super fucking intimidating.
And he goes, you want to look for three things.
You want to look for somebody who came in and is part of an artistic movement.
So there's different, there's like postmodernism.
There's like right now, graffiti is acknowledged as like a form of art.
So like who is the earliest graffiti person doing graffiti on subway cars in New York?
If you had a piece.
From them, now that it's an established type of art.
You want someone early in a, in a form of art that is now recognized uh, someone who's been accepted by uh, a gallery, who's like been in one of like the top four, and then also someone who has results from an auction and like those are the three things that establish value.
People are willing to pay for it, they're part of a movement of art and they're in one of these like fancy galleries or museums.
And I was like okay, now I at least have like a basis of how you fucking vote on or decide what art is worth.
Yeah, because I don't know.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
I can look at a picture picture and be like wow, that's absolutely beautiful, but I don't know what makes it 500 or 10 000.
People say invest in art, and you're like, what is a good investment, what's not?
Yeah, i'm just throwing money at art.
Yeah, but it kind of makes sense now it's like, oh yeah, this was a.
This was a time period where this type of art came out and he was the, the originator, he started it.
And uh, then this other guy who's who was like this treasure hunter dude and I was like what makes something a treasure?
He goes rarity, intrinsic value, and then mechanics, something built brilliantly, something that is incredibly rare, and then something has value outside of it of just like the parts.
Do you know what I mean?
The queen's watch okay, is valuable because people care about the queen and that was hers.
So, like watches, the story is important with the watch and the mechanism.
But also how many?
Yeah, you know.
And he was showing me this fucking 10 million dollar car he used to drive around in like London.
Now it's a 75 million dollar car and i'm like why is this worth that he goes?
There's only four of them.
There were two, and then two got two more, got converted and now there's four.
But that's in the world.
There's only four, and people who have tons of money want to buy the things that nobody else can have.
Yes, and they're gonna insert that value.
He's also told me he's like i'm kind of out of the treasure hunter business.
I'm like why he goes?
You can't make any money anymore.
I go.
Why not?
He goes?
Everybody can google the prices back in the day.
I could go buy a watch off of somebody in fucking Houston for 200 bucks, right, because they're just selling it during a downtime.
Then go back to La sell it for 10 000.
Now that person looks up the price.
Uh yeah, you think about that?
That like the antique roadshow type shows don't really exist because yeah, i'm just gonna google this, that's it.
Pawn shops, like everybody knows how much their shit is worth by the time they go to the pawn star show.
Oh well, that show specifically.
Yeah yeah, but you know what I mean.
Like you could just go okay, I have this, watch what the you know that shows like scripted, they're like finding people that have course, of course, and it's great tv, it's fun, but like nobody's, they can't really rip off the people.
That bad, if there weren't cameras there, they're beating them motherfuckers in the head.
Yeah sorry, this is fake.
I give you 50.
Yeah, slipping it for 20 g's.
Yeah, let me bring in my friend.
He's an appraiser and the appraiser's like this is bullshit.
Like throw it away.
What is wrong with you?
Why would you waste my time?
Yeah yeah, it's crazy.
Yeah, but cool way to launder money though, with art right like yeah, every art gallery I see that's just filled with art in like Midtown Manhattan.
I'm like there got to be laundering money.
Yeah, of course, I mean that's the system you know and it's you can be like they're like charity donations too, like so you don't even have to pay taxes on it.
I mean, it's just yeah, you just have to hope everything doesn't fall apart, because the first thing that's worth nothing when everything falls apart, yeah is the thing that's useless.
Yeah, you know nsts.
Okay, what else we got?
I have a question, why did Taylor Swift not want to perform at the Super Bowl?
Like, why would a pop star turn down a Super Bowl halftime show?
Oh, apparently they don't pay you.
But also, she seems like she's no fun.
Her reasoning was that she's still in the process of recording all of her albums again.
That makes sense.
Made it through only a few and wants to wait to go through all of them, then completely own her music again.
Do you want to explain why she did that?
Basically, her library was sold, and in order to be able to control your music again, you re-record your masters, which is unheard of.
You know, it's like saying, Paul McCartney, go re-record.
An album being owned by somebody is the recording in which they purchased.
It's not the song, it's that recording of the song.
So, and maybe they own it for like a few years after that or something like that.
So, you can re-record that song and then own that version of it.
Yeah.
I think they own that recording, I assume, into perpetuity.
And then, so you just say, all right, well, I'm going to do it.
They own that recording into perpetuity.
Here's my recording.
And then you're this is the one we're going to put on Spotify.
This is the one I'm going to sell that sponsors.
And then these are PR songs.
I know she's own my master's.
Which is a brilliant move on her part to take her master's.
No big brand Unilever is not going to go around Taylor and buy the other music for the same price.
Well, here's what's going to happen next.
She's going to fuck artists out of being able to do this.
Because now every new contract is, we own this song in perpetuity.
Right, right, right.
Because I imagine the old contracts were just like, well, yeah, we own the song.
It is what it is.
You're not going to re-record the song.
Like, that looks in bad faith.
Now it's, we own this intellectual property.
That's us.
But maybe you can charge more for it.
And maybe?
Yeah.
But like, could I do that where I record a Disney song and then put it out and then I cover some famous Disney song and then get paid from the streams from that song?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, do you have to get covers cleared?
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
But you also still have to pay out to the original songmaker.
If you have permission from them.
Yeah, you have to get permission.
You're saying, could you do it without their permission?
Yeah.
Like, how, because she's basically covering her own music.
Look, it's the same thing.
Like, you could play a song from somebody in the club.
You're on tour.
You can play a Taylor Swift song.
She could come for you.
Or the record layer could probably come for be like, hey, you're making money off of my like if you, but there's still cover bands.
I just don't think people make that.
But the company that owns her masters, could they come to her and be like, oh, you're covering something that we own?
That, no, because all they own is that recording of the song.
So does Disney just own that recording of the Little Mermaid?
What if they own the intellectual property of the Little Mermaid?
I think the artist, which is her, she owns the intellectual property of the song.
But maybe the writer that helped her also owns it gets a piece of that.
And maybe she needs to get their permission.
But she's known for writing her own shit.
So she like made the song.
Doesn't the producer own a piece too?
Yeah, producer gets half.
Gotcha.
Okay.
So she's going to use the same producers to do the same thing.
It depends.
I don't know if she's going to get the same producers, but.
How much work is that?
A shit ton of work.
Is it?
Yeah.
Because she's just got to sing the song she sings anyway.
Same.
One, you don't sing the same.
And you also have every single beat needs to be redone.
So say if it was live instrumentation, like now this person has to learn how to play that song.
Like, and you want it to sound good.
You don't want it to be like, yeah, it's exactly the same.
Yeah.
This is a valid excuse.
Because in my mind, it's like, you can't take three weeks off.
No, no, no.
It takes a long time.
You don't think that they're, you don't think she's upset that she would have to share the spotlight with other artists?
I don't, yeah, I tend to think the worst of Taylor Swift all the time.
I think it's a great business play.
It's like, nah, let me own all my shit.
So then when I do go on the Super Bowl and have another run and everybody's listening to my music, now they're listening to my new shit.
Oh, she doesn't want to get that Super Bowl bump and then they're all playing her old shit.
Interesting.
Yeah.
So that makes perfect sense.
And then as far as like Rihanna taking it, there was such a, there was so much hype around it and I couldn't really figure out why.
Yeah, because you know wow, I don't think that Rihanna's big, but I'm like, she's she's like Michael Jackson did this, like Jimi Hendrix, like every big musician does a Super Bowl.
Yeah, but that was Michael Jackson was 30 years ago.
Yeah, but like, who did it?
Jimi Hendrix is long dead.
Who did it last year?
Long dead.
Did he do the Super Bowl, by the way?
I think so.
I don't know.
I think he did Woodstuck.
Yeah, maybe I'm thinking of Woodstock.
Jesus Christ.
Is that different?
Yeah, a Prince.
Yeah.
I'm thinking of Prince.
The one on the Reigns, right?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I'm thinking of it.
Again, 15 years.
Yeah, yeah.
But I'm like, what is the issue with Rihanna doing it?
Why are Barbie people so people just love Rihanna?
People love Rihanna.
She's like a, she's like, every year they get a huge act at the halftime.
And every year people get excited.
We haven't seen it.
People get excited for the commercials.
Oh, what do you mean?
She hasn't put out an album in almost like, I think, almost 10 years now.
Rihanna?
It's been so long since her last album.
That's a good point.
And she doesn't talk.
And now it's like, holy shit.
There's an air of mystery about Rihanna that's really exciting.
Whoever's managing her, and I'm not talking about like Jay-Z manages Rihanna or whatever.
I'm talking about whoever's day-to-day crafting her career has done a fucking awesome job.
I mean, she's a billionaire.
Yeah.
I think it's more so just her because she's like, she went out on a banger of an album.
Like the last album that she put out was like crazy.
Instant class.
Crazy.
Everybody loved it.
Yeah.
And so, and then she had the Fenty and like, so the makeup and then the clothes, that shit blew.
She's bigger than music.
Yeah.
So now it's like she's making so much more money from the other shit.
It's like, where's the motivation to still do music?
Yeah.
It's like you got to bust your ass.
You got to learn these fucking choreography.
You got to go travel places.
Like, I could just make money.
You know, I see it.
She has two things.
That bigger than music.
She's like a mogul icon, whatever you want to say.
And she's still culturally relevant.
Yeah.
The Super Bowl has not had both of those things.
Dr. Dre, bigger than music, sure.
Probably a billionaire, whatever.
Yeah, Beyonce 2013.
Again, Beyonce was a big deal.
This is not the only time we've gotten excited about the Super Bowl halftime show.
I don't know if you know this.
It's been a big deal before.
Yeah, I just don't know why.
I'm like, every time they get a big person, and every time it's a good show, and I'm like, but for this time, it's like, I cannot believe they got Rihanna.
I'm like, why?
They have unlimited money.
No, they don't pay.
Nobody's excited that they can't believe they got Rihanna.
They're just excited to see Rihanna.
Yeah.
And they don't pay you for the record.
But go on YouTube.
You can Google.
At least maybe they changed it very recently.
But you don't see a lot of it.
Until very recently, they did not get paid.
And also, like, Rihanna, if you look at her hits, she has the greatest collabs.
So she should be able to get Jay-Z Kanye.
She should be able to.
That's what makes those shows the best.
The perfect guests for the Super Bowl because the songs are amazing.
She's got a million fucking hits to choose from.
She has ones that obviously.
No.
Yeah.
She has every different genre.
Like, I don't think that there's a I hate Rihanna music person out there.
No, every person likes this house, right?
Like you said, she has the house shit.
She's got RB.
She's got hip-hop.
Like, it satisfies everything.
There's probably even like a rock song.
No, there is a rock.
There's a country song with McCartney.
She's got a country song.
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He's not country.
That's beatles.
It's not.
That's a dude.
White people.
Okay, what else?
That's the song.
Oh, Paul McCartney.
Yeah.
And Kanye.
So that's not.
It's not really country, but it is like acoustic.
Fuck you.
That shit is culture.
That is good.
She's one more mark.
Okay, there's this crazy shit happening right now with the try guys.
Do you know what a try guy is?
No.
Okay.
Miles, can you explain what a try guy is?
The try guys were a group of four guys that are hungry.
I've had too many.
Because when I say it, you already know what it is.
Temperature.
Temperature.
Go.
When we got the shirtless competition, it's going to be a tough degree.
Oh, keep it tight.
Keep it tight.
The Try Guys were four guys that did viral videos for BuzzFeed where they would try to do things.
They would have all these videos and then they got bigger than BuzzFeed.
They left BuzzFeed, took the name, the IP, all of that stuff, and made their own channel.
They're beloved on the internet.
They're like sort of quirky.
They are just well, really well liked.
And there's a guy on there named Ned and Ned.
was married to this woman who he also made content with.
It was super well loved.
And then he cheated on his wife with a producer of the Try Guys.
And they've had to fire him from the Try Guys.
It's really like imploded them and it's big on the internet.
Did they fire him for sleeping with the producer?
Yeah.
Why?
Because it was like he was her boss.
It was like an inner.
He says it's consensual.
Like he says this, it's a consensual relationship that I made a mistake on.
He's trying to make a new video.
Let me try to sleep with my producer.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, the crazy thing is it blew up internally first and they were like, oh, you can't be banging like our producers.
Like you got to go.
And then he was caught in public at a bar with the girl.
And someone took a picture like, yo, this is the guy that makes wife content and then posted it online.
It's like, why is he kissing this girl?
And he makes wife content?
Like, he's like basically monopolized his relationship or like it's like commodifies his relationship where he's like, I'm the wife guy and I love my wife and me and her, we do TikToks together and this is my wife and like our relationship.
Every single time.
Every single month.
That's the first time.
Yeah.
That's very fair to say.
The harder they fall, bro.
It's like that Adam Levine fucking thing.
There was that picture that came out of him.
It was a real long time ago, but he was at some concert.
He had a blue shirt on that just said feminist on it.
Yeah.
And it's just like every single time, the more perfect they seem, the more piece of shit they are.
And people are so afraid for some reason to just be a piece of shit openly when we like pieces of shit.
Yeah.
They make us feel more than normal.
They make us feel okay.
That's why I love Michael Blackson.
He's like, bro, I get girlfriends sometimes.
Yeah.
Me and my wife, we have a thing.
We're cool.
Like, that's what he does.
He's just like super open about it.
He's like, I don't have to hide this.
This is what I'm doing.
Yeah.
God bless.
But it is wild that he, I don't know.
I'm like, sleeping with your producer.
Yeah, I get that's worth getting him out of there.
Why?
Why?
Because he works.
It's a power dynamic.
They're cost.
It's a thing.
No, no, no.
I don't subscribe to this.
I don't like this idea that humans are not capable of making decisions.
And I think that's what that is.
I understand you have to like set up rules to protect all these people because there are these bad actors that are willing to take advantage of the people that are working for them.
But I also think that you can develop a consensual and loving relationship with someone you work for or somebody that works for you.
So it sucks that we're basically like eliminating those relationships.
And I bet if you look back like in time, the majority of fucking human beings have probably met their wife by working with them.
It's a huge percentage.
Huge.
A huge conflict of interest.
Don't you think it kind of throws the vibe off a little?
There's also like declarations.
What creates the vibe?
You're both passionate about the same thing.
You both have all that in common.
You're spending so much time together.
You're building like a real foundation of relationship based on like mutual interests.
But if their brand is built on being good guys and you're out here sleeping with somebody.
We're not talking about that.
We're talking about consensual relationships in the workplace.
If you go to HR, you have to disclose the relationship.
There's no question.
If you go to HR and disclose the relationship, then you're fine.
What Mark is saying, I think you were saying, is that the relationship itself is null and void because of the power dynamic that exists.
No, no, no.
Like they can have a consensual relationship, but I get why they would want to either change her around or if he was not disclosing the relationship, terminate his employment.
Yeah.
So, oh, what you're saying is he's being sneaky because he's cheating on his wife, so he can't say I'm in a relationship with the producer.
And so when they go to HR, so then they find out.
And I get why they're determining his employment because he's not disclosing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, like, he's a hypocrite for being wife guy while also doing it.
But at the same time, it's like, it's like one of those people that like find their fucking shtick and now they're like a prisoner of the schtick.
Like he's not wife guy as much as he, like, he's not in love with his relationship as much as he is in love with making money being wife guy.
Yeah.
Being in love with himself.
And it's also scummy on the girl's part.
It's like, yo, you know this guy's got a wife.
You see her every week.
She comes in.
They make content together.
Now here's the question.
He's been fired.
Obviously, power dynamics, many things happen.
And the reason he's fired.
There's not word if the, as of from what I know at this exact moment, if the producer has been fired also.
She shouldn't get fired.
Wait, why?
She also broke the rules, right?
No.
Only the senior person.
The senior person breaks the rule.
Interesting.
Yeah, because the power dynamic.
What if he pressured her to sleep with him?
Consent can't exist with power vacuums.
It's like, hey, if you want to get a job, you have to go a dick.
I think that's a bit black and white, isn't it?
Consent cannot exist without the power dynamic.
Well, there's always a power dynamic.
That's the other thing.
It's like, even if they won't work for somebody, there's always going to be a power dynamic.
Yeah, it exists.
So then disclose it.
I mean, if we really want to talk about it, like the power dynamic is wildly skewed towards women.
Like we cannot have sex with them unless they say, okay, it is illegal.
That's not 50-50.
That is zero, 100.
If a woman marries a rich guy, if a rich guy dates a beautiful girl, is he taking advantage of the power dynamic, the fact that I'm a rich man?
100%.
To take advantage of the access to all the things he didn't have.
Of course.
But we're saying in the workplace is different.
Because in the workplace, somebody can hold your job over you.
And that's the thing.
That's fucked up.
And there are guys that do that.
And that's fucked up.
And that's horrible.
And I think the real mess up here is when women, and this is the Weinstein shit, it's like when women complain about this and they cover it up and protect the person in power, like that, these people right here that are protecting the guy who's fucked up destroys consensual work relationships because now that woman has no recourse to keep her job and protect herself.
And then every other girl in the company's like, I better not say her also, I'm going to get fired.
But if every time the woman complained, they just fired the fucking boss who broke the goddamn rules.
Or if they have consensual, sorry.
Yeah, or it could happen the other way.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
But we can have consensual work relationships because anytime it was uncomfortable or a dude crossed the line or a woman crossed the line and that was complained about and that person got fired, everybody's free.
But now we have to build all these fucking rules because these assholes in HR and like the shareholders in these fucking board meetings are going, hey, we can't get rid of this fucking CEO.
We can't forget with Weinstein.
He's really good at picking movies.
So protect that motherfucker, even though he's a rapist.
It's like all those people should be going down with Weinstein.
100%.
100, bro.
If a girl says, hey, this guy fucking raped me and you go, well, don't you want to work in Hollywood?
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
You are hating that rapist.
That's the guy that the girl went to.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
No, The girls have kept quiet.
No, People are not quiet the women.
Yeah.
Or the women who quiet the women, but the ones who protect the fucking rapists.
Yeah, yeah.
And I'm like, that whole, it's like the rapists and the protectors are the people that make it so uncomfortable for the, I guess, the women or even the men that are subordinate.
Is that the word?
Yeah.
Like, you're completely powerless in that situation.
And now you can't even raise within the company because now you're terrified.
These people don't have your...
If you're comfortable being vocal, there's not the power dynamic being exploited nearly as much.
Thank you for articulating that.
But that's if the systems that you're talking to are even willing to hear your complaint.
To his point, that's the problem.
Yeah.
The problem is that because like he said earlier, most, not most, a huge percentage of relationships begin in the workplace.
A lot of those relationships before this, a lot of those relationships, there was a power dynamic, like just in the sense that one person was a boss and one person was not a boss.
So if we have an environment where this subordinate person is comfortable being vocal, if this person is making them uncomfortable, then that shit is all, we can just have more points.
Do you feel like most workplaces probably favor a really talented, powerful race?
They do.
And that's why you should punish the people who help cover up for that guy, that powerful man or woman, that person that helps cover up should be just as culpable.
But you're saying it's like, oh, it's those companies that fuck it up forever.
I'm like, I think that's probably just most organizations.
It's those people that covered up that fucking up.
To be honest with you, I think the system that's set up is by the shareholders or by the protectors.
It's like, why don't we just make it so nobody can fuck anybody here?
And then our CEO won't fuck it up by screwing some of the employees and then pissing them off.
So we're just going to make this blanket rule to protect our real golden goose, which is a CEO, maybe.
Not his secretary.
If it does both, they're like, yeah, but it's probably just an easier way to legislate.
I don't have to get into the nitty-gritty and waste fucking time with who's right and who's wrong.
You didn't disclose, you're fired.
Yeah.
We're saving a lot of time.
That's why this shit is crazy with the Celtics coach.
Yo, that story keeps getting more and more shit as well.
My man is a wild boy, bro.
So at first I was like, kind of, I wouldn't say on his side, but I'm just like, nah, it's foul to fire him if it was a consensual situation.
They didn't fire him initially, right?
It was like he was doing this as well.
Cut it out.
Yeah.
They were like, yo, cut it out.
So it's like, Joey Gladstone.
So they knew about this shit.
And they were just, everybody was just like, yo, just chill out with the shit.
They were letting it rock.
But then my boy was a wild boy out here.
And he's like, nah, you got to go.
So what are the most recent details?
I saw he was sending, he was making a lot of women uncomfortable and inappropriate comments, inappropriate messages, I think.
And one of the women he had a long-term relationship with was also helping Nia Long fucking move to Boston.
His wife.
She would handle the flights for the team.
That was one of the things that she was doing.
So part of that is flying the family.
Which is he may do Udoka's fiance and this is also Boston and any news that comes out of there, like they know how to make somebody look like shit.
Yeah.
What do you mean, why Boston?
Like Boston sports media in particular.
Let's go to every single female staff member and be like, has he ever made you feel unglued?
We need you out of here.
And it's like, say the right thing.
I didn't know that.
Boston media is perfect.
Like for Boston.
It's like Russia.
You know what I mean?
It's like the only thing getting out is exactly what we want out to make us look the best.
But yes, yo, it's crazy because I think he was smashing the, who's the fucking Brad Stevens, who was the coach and is now, I believe, the president of the team.
I think he's a VP.
Or the GM, VP, whatever it is.
Danny Ainge is probably the president.
Danny Ainge is with Utah now.
Oh, they that's okay.
So maybe he's the new person.
Whatever.
It doesn't matter.
He's front office role.
I think he was smashing his assistant.
And it's just like, buddy, what do you fucking do?
That's gotta be sex addiction, right?
Or power.
Power.
Power addiction.
But sex addiction gotta be power addiction too, right?
Like in a way.
I think, yeah, I think, yeah.
I think addiction manifests itself in weird ways.
And it's just like, does he really need to get the nut off?
Or is he just like, you know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna fuck your assistant, bro.
You know what I mean?
Like, yeah, this guy, I bet there's even wilder shit that we don't know about.
Because if these are the girls, like, remember when Adam Levine came out and four more bitches were like, yeah, he was doing this with me too.
Yeah.
It's like, we got like one or two.
If you're doing it with two, watch that.
Yeah.
If you're willing to roll the dice and throw it all away.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
It's probably boyborn.
And it's just crazy.
I mean, this guy had everything.
He hit a good career in the sense that he always had a team.
He, in this first fucking year, took the Celtics to the finals.
Wife, Neil Ong.
She's wearing your fucking jerseys, rooting for your team, and then you're just out here trying to fuck everyone on the team.
I don't want to go crazy conspiracy, but I think that I think a lot more people knew about this.
Oh, God.
And I think outside of just the Celtics organization.
Yeah.
Oh, you think so?
And the reason I think is because you have a first-year blackhead coach that is doing incredible things.
Yeah.
In Boston.
He goes to the finals in Boston, right, with a major team.
Boston Celtics are major NBA franchises.
And this is the first time I'm even seeing this guy's name.
Yeah.
Like, usually this is a story that the league goes, hey, put some gas on this.
This is what we need.
This is a great opportunity.
Right?
Like, this is one of the things you almost virtue signal about, especially a historic franchise like the Celtics, which is, dang, motherfuckers could say racism.
The city of Boston doesn't have the best reputation.
I mean, LeBron called him out last year.
Exactly.
LeBron called him out.
Now, the organization, I mean, they had Bill Russell and then Bill Russell became head coach.
Like this.
Red Hourbuck made him the first blackhead coach.
First blackhead coach, right?
Like, it obviously earned one of the greatest players ever, but still.
So the organization itself, maybe you could say, hasn't been super racist, but still an awesome opportunity for the league and the Celtics to go, here's our golden goose.
The fact that that never happened, that a lot of people are finding out this guy's name for the first time right now, to me says maybe it was one of those fucking things where it's like the HR people are going, yo, he's a kind of wild boy.
So we're going to look the other way and we're not going to make him the pride and joy.
Brad Stevens was the fucking pride and joy.
He got a lot of love if you watched, but not like you would think.
In the second, his name make it to y'all.
Genius coach.
Oh my God.
He's so brilliant.
And look at what his play calling is here.
Damn, this is this story of especially if they won, and they came very close to winning.
If they were a little older, they would have won, but it would have been a fucking movie.
It was like out of every movie, first blackhead coach, first year.
They start off not good.
They're like really struggling.
They're thinking about trading Jalen Brown.
And then all of a sudden, they just turned it around.
It was like fucking Hoosiers.
And then they just went on this crazy tear the back half of the season.
I think they knew, bro.
So what happens?
I think it's also harder to say his name so people kind of say it.
Yeah, we haven't said it one time.
Yeah, because none of us know how to do it.
That's the Celtics coach.
It's not as hard.
It's Emei Udoka.
All right.
Brad Stevens is killing.
Brad Stevens is different.
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Did he do anything illegal?
I can't believe it.
Other than like vending them names.
No.
This guy a wild boy.
No, no, no, no.
This guy a wild boy.
I went for a joke.
I went for the jokes.
No, I don't think he did anything illegal.
He did something that maybe was against the rules for the organization.
Company policy, whatever.
He can't go to jail or nothing.
That's not what he's doing.
He's not being accused of assault or anything.
No, no.
No, no, he's just smashing everything.
Yeah.
Like, what an idiot.
Like, you have to be a fucking monumentally dumb guy or addicted to be able to kind of fuck however you want.
Like, you're a good-looking young coach.
It's not like the DMs ain't there.
Yeah.
Like, you can't.
That's true.
Now, maybe he's like, I'm going to keep it close and just fuck around here.
And then in the organization, nobody will say anything.
Maybe.
That's the definition of shit where you sleep, right?
Literally.
Yeah.
I mean, it just seems crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And apparently the guy they got to replace him also, fuck, he has like a DUI.
Maybe there's an assault and battery.
He has some shit on him too.
Yeah.
But this story is so crazy.
And then he's like Boston.
It's like, all right.
That's true.
Whatever it is, it's some shit that he has some character knocks too.
But this story is so crazy.
We're like, whatever, man.
Let's just quiet it.
Sunday had to, though.
And another thing, to your point, the NBA, by all accounts, is like a very small, tight-knit circle.
These stories, motherfuckers know.
The LeBron's mom story, from what I understand, motherfuckers knew inside.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The whole league knew.
Yeah.
You gotta understand, like, a lot of these guys have been playing together since they're 12 years old.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
They're like talking, group chats.
All this, like, when they bark at one another, and then they go, how can they be on the same team?
And it's like, they've been barking each other since they're 13.
Yeah.
Yeah.
AAU.
Like.
Yeah.
They know.
Did you hit up your boy about this?
Yeah.
Let's see.
Did he give you anything inside?
I found out who the real affair was before it came out.
And that was like, and I was like, God damn, like, you went after the fucking head dudes.
Yeah.
Assistant.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Now, the one thing I'm curious about is if, let's say, like a higher-up person hooks up with a secretary or a younger person in the thing.
Yeah.
He gets fired because he didn't disclose.
Nothing happens to him or her that's a subordinate?
No.
Like, are they seen as a liability?
Like, oh, this, like, hypothetically, let's say there's a secretary that hooked up with like three CEOs in a row and they all keep getting fired.
So that's the thing about the, that's the thing about like being perceived as a victim.
Like, you can't even fire her because she goes, I was taken advantage of.
I thought my job was on the line.
Even if that ain't really what would happen.
If it happens twice.
Oh, she's been smashed by multiple people.
Let's say it happens two times.
Let's say this situation happens again with the next head coach.
Still.
Same girl.
Still.
Still, she's a victim, bro.
They held her job over her.
They're going to try to get rid of her some other way.
They're going to know she's a problem.
Yeah, she's not going to get any, what is it called?
Advancement in her career.
Of course.
You don't need to promote.
You just can't outwardly fire out of nowhere.
You kind of want them to quit.
Yo, Loki, and it's not on the woman to do this.
It's on both of them to do this.
But like, when you're looking at the staff that you have and who you're going to reward, like, you want the girl who's slapping dicks out of her fucking face.
Right?
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, I know it sounds crazy.
Like, the dicks shouldn't be there, but you also want the girl going, yo, what the fuck are you doing?
Like, yo, we're in a finals run, you idiot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, are you about to fuck this whole thing up for a dick suck?
Yeah.
Like, you could take this team to the finals.
Yeah.
Like, if I hear that I got that chick on the staff.
You're the coach.
You're at the new coach.
Get a dick suck.
Help take them to the final.
Even before.
It had to be before.
If the dick sucks going to the finals, everybody's right.
That's why they wait to athlete season, right?
Brad C was like, smash it out.
I get another assistant.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, say one annoying birthday thing.
Yo, I get it.
Guys, thank you so much for listening to Shravan, man.
I appreciate y'all.
I get a text from your boy.
He texts me and goes, yo, happy birthday.
Hope you have a great day.
I didn't respond yet.
I was busy.
You know what I mean?
Podcasting.
Today, emphasize it.
Who's my boy?
Jason.
Yo, he want that fucking reaction?
Jason, dog.
If you get something.
He says happy birthday.
Hey, thanks for wishing Mark a happy birthday, dog.
This thankless piece of shit.
I'm saying, I'm going to get back to you and say thanks so much.
No, but you saw it.
And you chose not to respond.
That's what you're saying.
I didn't know.
But you saw it and you chose not to respond.
Nobody does business.
Oh, my bad.
We were doing a podcast.
Why didn't you repost my birthday story?
I don't like to put it on my Instagram.
Because it was a Jewish thing, huh?
Yeah.
It was a menorah.
Mom follows me.
Yeah.
No, I know.
It's just the whole thing.
I don't want people to be like, oh, it's your birthday.
You got to not respond to their texts.
Yeah.
Why'd he make it about him, Jason?
And why did Dub make it about him?
Thank you.
Too juice made about them.
Oh, no.
Oh, you guys did.
I'm saying.
Happy birthday.
Oh, that's interesting.
You don't need to fall off.
You don't need to be like, hey, circling back on this.
Hey, bumping this up.
Yeah.
Thanks for making it a little less happy.
Say that to him.
Thanks for making it a little less happy.
I knew I had to do work on my birthday.
I didn't respond to you.
What?
I don't know.
All right.
This just happened.
I'm frustrated.
Yo, just go, who this?
Just got new fucking.
I lost all my numbers, dude.
Sorry.
All right, listen, but we got to get out of here, man.
Guys, guys, we've been watching Play Rate or something.