Daisy Taylor joins Andrew Schulz to discuss her journey from homelessness to stardom in the adult industry, detailing her earnings, the physical realities of tucking and bottom surgery, and her defense against authenticity conspiracy theories. They explore societal pressures like dead naming, debate Dave Chappelle's comedy standards, and recount a candid relationship with Jaden that challenges traditional labels. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the complex intersection of public scrutiny, personal identity, and the resilience required to navigate life as a trans woman in the spotlight. [Automatically generated summary]
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Jealousy and the Make-A-Wish Kid00:14:21
No, I have a huge dick.
Does anyone here not believe?
Like, do I need to prove that?
I mean, you don't have to.
I mean, I would never make you do that.
Shut the fuck up, Schultz.
Daisy!
Here we go.
Oh!
Last week, Schultz's opener, Derek Poston, said this.
Tranny porn, the greatest thing that ever happened.
Miles about pull that video.
That's Daisy Taylor.
I know her.
So Derek posted the clip to Instagram, and a few hours later, this happened.
Daisy Taylor shared it.
So naturally, Schultz hit up Daisy.
Daisy, hi.
Hi, Andrew.
Do you want to make Derek's dreams come true?
Yes.
Okay.
So why don't you come to New York and then you guys get married?
The hand is empty.
The hand is empty.
So Daisy packed her bags, tucked her dick, and flew to New York City.
And in a few seconds, she and Derek will meet for the first time.
How you feeling?
You feel like a fucking make-a-wish kid.
Yeah.
I'm so excited.
You look great.
Yeah, I wore the white hat.
Buddy, biggest day of your life.
Just enjoy every moment of it.
Take it all in.
Take mental pictures.
You know, just relax.
You're going to do great.
Yeah, dick is crazy.
Okay, I think she's coming.
Guys, the one and only Daisy Taylor.
Wow.
Daisy.
That's how your voice sounds.
Wow.
It's with Miles and Alex.
Great to meet you.
Daisy.
Yeah, for now.
Sit down.
Everybody at home.
Welcome.
This is Daily Taylor.
Daily Taylor.
Daisy Taylor.
So you've got Derek's Daily.
That's what it is.
Every morning.
Derek, how does it feel today?
I'm sitting next to Steph Curry right now.
I'm very excited.
You're so dumb.
You revolutionized the game, bro.
You changed it.
You changed the game.
Dude, you invented the three.
You invented it.
You're the shit.
I'm so excited.
Thank you.
Now, Daisy, you must understand that with great success comes great criticism.
Like, you are the GOAT.
You're the greatest of all trans.
You have, like Derek said, revolutionized the game.
We are lucky to have you here on a Flagrant 2 podcast.
But with the great success, sometimes comes great criticism.
You know this.
Right.
There are people, there are haters out there that have maybe even said conspiracy theorists, if you will, that have questioned if the pee-pee is real.
Right.
Right.
No, I do get a lot of questions from people who ask, I don't believe that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No.
I mean, a lot of people say, like, oh, did you have a surgery to get to add on a penis?
I wish that was a thing.
I would do that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're kidding me?
Yeah.
I know.
It's kind of wild, but yeah, there's, I've just seen a lot of new stuff too because there are girls like cis women that I've talked to who are like, oh, I'm the same as you.
I wish that I had a penis.
What?
Oh, wow.
You're a real woman.
It's a cis woman or whatever that is.
What's a cis woman?
Exactly.
Oh, I guess we'll have to get into a vagina girl.
A vagina girl.
Vaginasaur, baby.
That's so 90s, young man.
Talk about these vagina girls.
Vagina saw.
Bitches are like beefers.
Get them out.
Does that bother you that people could think that you are so feminine that your penis might not even be real?
Now, again, I don't think this.
I obviously think it's a real.
I've done some research that's doing your.
No, I have a huge dick.
Does anyone here not believe?
Like, do I need to prove it?
You don't have to.
I mean, I would never make you do something like that.
Daisy, Okay.
Here we go.
Okay.
Oh.
Oh.
Wow.
Daisy.
Take that QAnon.
Hey, you got a great dick, girl.
Oh, you really do.
You really do.
Is her dick bigger than yours, that guy?
Hey, if you ever decide to get rid of that thing, organ donor.
You know what I mean?
Right, right.
That's funny as fuck.
Oh, wow.
Now, now, Daisy, it is important to us that you know that Derek is not like a regular admirer.
Okay.
Uh-huh.
This is somebody, and not weirdo about it.
No.
Appreciates what you've done to the game.
Oh, I perspective.
Oh, I oh, I watched the pod.
Oh, my God.
That's all over me, though.
My roommate and I, my roommate is also another trans girl.
And we watched, um, we watched like the last 20 minutes of the Elon episode, and we cackled the entire time.
We cackled the entire time.
Yeah.
Just the way.
Derek was so convincing in the episode.
He didn't even look at us.
He looked in the camera because he knew you would be watching.
He was talking to Daisy.
I was talking to you, though.
No, it was so real.
It was so real.
And I knew it was really real too by the amount of pure detail that he gave you.
Yeah.
And went into Daisy.
I can break down why I'm such a fan.
What makes you unique?
What makes you special?
Yes.
Because I watch a lot of it.
I watch it.
I study it.
I love it.
And what makes you the best and my personal favorite is your dick is never not hard.
Oh, wow.
And I don't know if you watch as well when you watch other people.
Your dick stays hard the whole time.
And I was like, I don't stay hard the whole time with my girl.
You're a fucking champion.
Sorry, Sam.
Sorry, Scamp.
Sam.
Sam was making me do the other day.
See a Daisy for pointers.
You fucked my girl up because she was like, she made me, she was making me daily the other night?
Like a fire ass pasta.
And she sets it down and she goes, You think fucking Daisy can do the gun?
Daisy, can you throw it out?
Can you cook?
Fuck.
I was gonna ask if we got the boyfriend in the building.
She hates niggas, bro.
He's black.
He's so happy.
He is the skinnier.
He looks like you and you and the boondocks.
Julie, I'm Riley.
All I'm saying is Daisy might have a tight.
Oh.
Can Daisy cook?
She cooked once, but I don't think any of us tried it.
She just door dashed.
I was real.
I was real hurt.
Wow.
Jada just left the room for Derek.
You don't need to cook.
I don't know.
You don't need to cook.
You can fuck.
Sam.
Sam?
She can do other things.
Oh, my God.
So keep cooking, Sam.
You got no chance.
She keeps the noodles hard.
Yeah.
Her dick is out then.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Okay, so how do you keep it hard the whole time?
Well, that's a great question.
So obviously, like in porn, everyone takes Viagra.
Period.
Like, that's just that heartbreak.
I saw it.
Your barry both me a little bit.
I'm still a fan, but wow.
But also, to go with that, everyone does Viagra, everyone does it.
But there are scenes where girls are like completely flaccid.
Yes.
But still, so I think there's something wrong with my hormones because I mean, like, or something, right?
You can give me a kiss on the cheek and I'm rock hard.
Like, it's not like that.
Derek's back in.
I'm all over.
Yeah, it's weird.
It's weird.
I wasn't.
I don't care what happened.
That's so dope.
I was going to say, touch my knees.
Everything went black.
Derek, we might need a brick check.
You might need to stand up.
You might need to stand up.
Yeah.
Okay, you were saying, what was I saying?
You were saying some girls are flaccid.
You just get hard easily.
Oh, yeah.
It's an issue because it's not even too like a there, it won't be a sexual situation.
I'll just be happy and rock hard.
Wow.
Like a 14-year-old boy.
Like, oh, you're loving this, aren't you?
This is your dream, huh?
Yes.
And she's saying it.
You know, Derek's a real fan because your photo just popped up on Reddit.
He was like, that's Daisy.
We love Daisy.
Yeah.
So we were talking about this outside.
And when you were watching it, and I go, I go, Yeah, you know, we were looking at different, we were looking at different pictures of you.
And she goes, It was just my face.
It wasn't even you in a scene.
It was just the face.
No, I saw YouTube.
I was like, oh, shit.
Well, that's also what makes you.
You're like the baddest bitch.
You're the baddest.
You're the baddest bitch, bro.
Sorry, all other old bitches.
Sorry to all you ugly bitches.
They don't have a fucking rock hard dick, bro.
That's what makes you special.
Like all these other porn stars, they're cool, but like their dick isn't hard.
Yes.
What are you doing?
What are you doing?
Is there beef DAs?
They're like, yes, there's a bunch of people.
Yes, there's me.
There's about to be beef in a second.
Let's go.
Is there beef?
Like, are you in the other?
Like, trans porn stars cool, like the Luna Loves and the Jasmine Lotuses and Laura Set.
Like, do you know these people?
I love, I love Luna Love.
I love Jasmine Lotus.
That's really funny.
It depends.
Well, you and Luna had a scene that shit was Fuego.
Oh, you knew it was.
Trophy and stuff.
That was another thing, Splash.
That's really shit.
That is so funny.
You really are a fan.
Yeah, legit.
You thought we were playing over here?
No, I mean, I mean, on the pod, the way, again, the detail, a connoisseur.
Connoisseur of lady.
He's ratatouille.
Yeah.
Like, this is shit.
Yeah.
You know what it is?
Yeah, there's a rat on your shoulder, but he's also helping you jack off.
Yeah, no, that's it.
Sorry.
We're not going to talk about bestiality.
Sorry, sorry.
There's not, I will say, though, obviously, you know, there are some people, there are some girls who are nice, but are very calculated, very smart.
It's just, I think a lot of trans girls are kind of used to being the only trans girl in everybody else's life.
Like, so they're the star.
Yeah.
Ah, a little mascotism.
Yeah.
You're like a black girl.
But maybe a little bit of jealousy.
Yeah.
What do you say?
Like a mascot thing.
It's like, yeah, I'm big.
Well, you're the only black guy in the room.
And always.
And then the second time the black guy shows up, you're like, no.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, that's interesting.
So now, when there's another trans girl in the room, you're not used to that sharing that attention or they're not used to translating.
Uniqueness.
Yeah.
You said your roommate is trans.
I'm a roommate to be a trans girl.
So she's not one of them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
One of them.
Yeah, no.
I almost got fucked off.
Whatever.
Yo, you're going to laugh talking to your girl like that.
We don't let this happen.
Damn.
Oh my God.
I'm just a whole.
I'm just a whole.
Yeah.
No, a lot of girls are really nice, but there are definitely some who just, there are, especially some of the girls who have been in it for a long time.
It's kind of, there's a lot of trans porn now.
Like, it's, it's kind of fresh in the last, yeah.
Yes, Derek, thank you.
Um, there's been a lot of trans porn like in the last five years.
So there are a lot of new girls.
And I think the newer generation, we all like have a lot of camaraderie.
We like hanging out with each other.
We're all friends.
But the old school generation are a little more territorial.
Yes.
Okay.
Is it is it odd for you to experience so much like love and admiration online, right?
Like you have this insane Reddit, you have insane OnlyFans.
Like, yo, plug the OnlyFans, check out the OnlyFans.
Period.
Period.
But then also maybe in person, sometimes people aren't as nice.
They don't exactly know how to act.
They're uncomfortable.
Like, is that odd?
You're on home on your computer and you're like, I'm the queen of everything.
And then you walk out in the street and then there might be some discomfort.
That is a lovely question.
I think it's actually, I get both sides more on the internet than I do in real life.
Oh, yeah.
So it's like I get like a crazy amount of praise.
Crazy amount of praise.
Emphasis on the word crazy.
Y'all just got roasted by Daisy.
Let's go.
But also too, online, there's like an equal amount of negativity because I go out.
I've really like I've never experienced.
Okay, that's a lie.
There was one time I think I was at a Whole Foods and there was a dude who was like, Daisy Taylor.
And I was no.
You said that.
Online Praise vs Street Discomfort00:04:56
Oh, fuck.
No.
I mean, this was like three years ago.
So I was like still fresh.
Oh, fuck.
No, you're not going to find me in the Whole Foods.
No.
No.
But my position on that has kind of changed a little bit because I like, I would rather, if someone is a fan, I'd rather someone come up to me because it's now at the point where you get the, you get like the peripherals, you know, where like, you can recognize that someone's like, yeah.
That's the funny thing too.
Like you see a dude walking with his homies and he hits you with that.
You're like, why are you talking about that?
You got some extracurricular activities.
That's funny as fuck.
No, walking around in Times Square, walking around, people are like, Pikachu just walk up to you?
Yeah.
Spider-Man just kind of grabbed my name.
She ropes back at me.
Yeah, it's wild.
So I've never really had anyone like come up to me.
And I would much rather have people come up to me and say that they're a fan now because I'm prepared.
You're good.
I am the final girl.
Okay.
I'm ready for the killer.
I'm ready for the killer.
So when people are staring at me and it's the point where I don't, I cannot gauge if I'm being loved or hated being attacked.
I didn't even realize this.
You know what I'm saying?
Earlier in your life, I'm like, oh, I'm going to get kidded.
I'm going to get napped right now.
So much of a nickname today.
I can't keep saying kidnapped.
But that's wild.
That's right.
Earlier in your life, walking around as a trans woman, you're going to get these looks and you don't know if people hate you, they want to hurt you, they want to do something bad.
Now you're a famous trans woman.
Yeah.
Now, a lot of these looks, there's an adjustment period where you're like, is he looking at me because he wants to fight or is he looking at me because he wants to fuck or he really loves me?
And I, the energy is the same too.
That's scary.
Fighting for me.
Aggressive.
Wait a minute.
Yeah.
And there's uncertainty with them as well because they're like, wait a minute, do am I with my girl?
Do I want to admit that I know?
Do I want to fuck or do I want to flight?
Fucking flight.
Fuck or flight.
Yeah.
But now you've gotten to the point where you feel comfortable enough with the gaze.
You're like, okay, not the gays.
Male gaze.
I'll take that.
No, yeah, I'm comfortable now, but it's definitely.
Yeah, I'm at the point where I'm like, I would rather you say something because that is real.
Yeah, because I'm also too a little bit of an insecure person sometimes.
So shock.
You're human.
That's pretty pure shock on your face.
Yeah, no, I've been, I've struggled obviously with like being confident.
He's a bone retriever.
He has never been so excited.
He's sitting at attention.
There's a bone that he wants.
Yo, he's trying to get a hold of that buoystick.
He said there's a bone.
A woman's bone.
He's so happy.
Okay, but go get what you're saying.
Yeah, no, no, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I'd much rather have people come up to me because there was a period of time for a long time where, yeah, you're like, before all like having attention and shit, you're like, oh, people look at me for you.
I'm like, yo, it's so fucking exciting.
You're just watching the show.
I'm a fan.
Anyways, yeah, I'd rather people just say shit because there is a point in time where it's like, oh, okay.
Say shit.
Say shit, like what?
Like, say, say hi to me.
Because I'm a fan.
There are, I will admit, there are many times where I'm like, oh, people are looking at me.
It's not happening.
Majority of the time, people don't give a fuck about you, regardless of if you're trans or whatever.
You know, like walking around in the world, like people are not watching you.
People do not give a fuck about you.
Yeah.
And that's been kind of my learning thing is like everywhere I go, I'm like, oh my God, people.
Oh my God, people are looking at me.
But like, it's also a negative.
Like, oh, oh my God, everyone's watching me.
But it's like, no one gives a fuck about you.
And not in a not in a negative way.
It's like everyone has everyone.
They have their own thing.
They're busy with men.
Everyone's doing their own lives.
Like, no one really gives a fuck.
They're going to keep on moving our.
Daisy, let me tell you something.
We give a fuck.
You give a fuck.
No, Jayden.
No, there's more.
We have a, it's an army of us.
Hey, we just got to get you on the team.
Then it's going for the three of us.
Calm down for everyone.
Come on now.
Come on now.
I did notice, Daisy, when you, when you reposted me and followed me, second greatest day of my life.
You also, I look at, I looked, you followed him and then you followed him.
Yeah.
And that was it.
Yo, I didn't get a follow.
I wonder why, Alex.
I did not know.
Okay, damn, damn, damn.
Damn.
She looked black ass, bro.
What did you say?
Following Jayden: The Second Greatest Day00:04:17
What can you say about it?
No, no, no, no.
I did not know who to follow.
So obviously, I'm going to hit follow Andrew.
And I think I followed Alex too because he was the one.
He was the one who originally posted the clip on the story.
I wasn't trying to be weird and follow everyone and think that I'm like, oh, like, yo, I'm like, liking.
I'm like, oh, when am I going to get on the hunk?
Get away, weirdo.
Everyone will be getting a follow.
Mark, it's okay.
Thank you.
What is the weirdest celeb interaction that you've had?
And I don't want to put anybody all blast, but you can if we're assholes.
I would love if you would.
He could say he doesn't want you to.
We all want you to.
I want all the celebrities I like more.
The ones that are like.
All right, Dwight Howard.
Yeah, let's go.
You want, Superman.
Right.
Okay, well, I will say I hate there's a group.
Okay, there's a group of trans girls where it's like in the last couple of years who like out guys for hitting them up.
Why are you doing that?
Do you think that you're a man?
What are you saying?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, oh, Tygo is tough.
Okay, and.
Oh, yeah.
Like, I hate that.
You're saying it exposes them.
It's like you should be normalizing.
Yeah.
Why the fuck do you like why?
It's not a big deal.
Why are you showing every, like, why are you trying to one-up him?
So I think that's stupid.
All right, guys, we're going to take a break for a second because some of y'all are getting too high.
You're getting too goddamn high.
Or not high enough.
Or not high enough.
Oh, shit, that's true.
Maybe you're abstaining from marijuana or you're doing the weak CBD.
You're not getting high enough.
Or you're doing the illegal shit getting too high.
What you need to do is do the legal shit be right in the middle.
Is that what you're trying to say?
So the perfect high.
The perfect high.
So then how would they get the perfect tie?
I think Diet Smoke gummies.
Holy shit, Akash.
You onto it again.
Diet Smoke Gummies, the best in the business.
Now, why is it going to get you perfect high, Akash?
Because it has Delta 8 as opposed to CBD.
Not as strong as TBC.
Not as weak as CBD.
Perfect high.
So you're going to get an actual high.
High.
Government don't know about it yet.
Perfect.
Legal.
Legal.
No, take it through customs, no problem.
Yo, real talk, you need to get as many of those as you can right now because the government is probably going to clamp down on it.
Don't they?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
You need to get on that right now.
How can they get on it?
Go to dietsmoke.com and use a promo code Flagrant.
They're not for use or sale to people under the age of 21.
Please use responsibly, bro.
Like, if you was thinking about being irresponsible with the Diet Smoke, it ain't going to happen, bro.
Be serious.
Be serious.
What percent off can I give them, Mark?
Go 10.
Best I could do is 20.
Come on, bro.
Mark, the best I could do is.
We got to pay the bills.
We got to pay bills around.
Mark, that's the best I could do.
No, we have to pay everyone in bills and everything.
No, 15%.
15% off.
Oh, God.
I can't go down to 15.
This is a man.
You got to go to 20.
He's a man of the people, Mark.
Come on, bro.
Mark, how am I supposed to give him 15% off when I already know I can give him 20?
Fun.
20% off will starve.
Flagrant is the code.
You go to dietsmoke.com.
Let's get back to the show.
Do you think that sometimes straight dudes?
I'm not outing you here, but like, do you think it's like a gateway into their homosexuality?
It's a safe way in when they're messing with a trans woman.
I think there are probably situations where it's like yes and no.
I'm sure that there are guys who are just experimenting because they're curious.
Yeah.
And I'm sure that there are two fully other guys who like are into trans girls and it is like a light transition.
But it's mostly straight guys, I imagine, that are your fans.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And like the guys that I've dated to have all been like straight men.
Yeah.
So.
Well, yeah, because if you were here.
Yeah.
Tucking, Pain, and Safe Experiments00:07:36
Jay, we out here.
No, when he was like, I can't get with small dicks.
You're not a woman.
That's a woman's dick.
I was like, yeah, period.
Isn't there like a size?
Like, what is that?
What is it called?
Like size competition?
Like someone's got a lot of fun.
Is that a hierarchy?
No, that was funny.
I mean, there's even the trans community.
No, there's not a hierarchy because I'm not.
Little dick, trans women.
No, I'm kidding.
No, no, no, no, not at all.
But I mean, I do have to agree and say, like, nobody wants to see a small fast of dick fluffing around.
Yo, tuck that clit.
Put it away.
Put that clit away.
Put it away.
Oh, we hear it.
Put it away or something.
Yeah.
It's, yeah, I don't have.
Yeah.
No shade.
No shade.
Yeah, a little.
Nobody wants to see that.
Did you say Little?
Little.
Do you ever?
Do you ever?
I have a question.
You ever, like, do you tuck your penis?
I'm tucked right now.
Wow.
Can you explain tucking?
I've actually been curious.
Oh, my God.
You need me to show you guys.
Yes.
Yes, yes.
Okay, yeah.
How do you talk?
Okay.
If I don't know how I could give you a visual of this, it's like, obviously, and that you got a penis, right?
Yes, yes.
Jesus.
These are the balls.
You got some balls hanging on the side, right?
This is the penis.
These, there's a, y'all are going to grow.
Y'all are going to vomit.
There's a pocket up there.
You know what I'm saying?
There's a pocket where, like, before you...
Oh, Andrew.
I'm a kangaroo.
You didn't know I was a kangaroo this whole time.
Before, you know, before.
So there's a pocket, guys.
There is a pocket.
You know, like before you hit puberty, your balls are somewhere.
They're not up there.
Yeah, and then they drop.
So there's a pocket up there where you can pop them and they stay.
No.
So you pop those babies up there, stay there, and then you bring it all back.
Oh, you pull the and what happens?
What happens if you get erect?
Like what happens?
You get a kiss on the cheek, it just comes flapping too long of eye contact.
Good luck.
Can you untuck itself?
I mean, it depends.
There are different methods too.
Because I'm just, I'm lucky where I live in the age now that there is underwear that you could just pop on and just tuck, and it's perfect.
I've seen those.
Even two years ago.
Yes, you have.
Tuck it up.
I already know you have.
You're something like where your ass is out.
Yeah.
That's going up with that one, right?
It's like, it's like a band and your ass is out and it's just that, that.
Baby, that's a jock strap.
You know what I'm saying?
I was trying to learn to do that.
I used to use that shit when I was playing quarterback and dog, bro.
I was tucking my whole life.
Don't act like you haven't seen that part in Scary Movie.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, so it just all goes back, but there are different methods.
So I just wear underwear, but there are a lot of girls and there are a lot of drag queens too who tuck and like full-on wear tape and keep it back.
Yeah.
It's intense.
It's intense.
And it is painful.
It is painful.
I do have scars.
Because, you know, I mean, depending.
Scars.
Yeah.
From?
Yeah.
Well, from taping and doing stuff, but also to obviously your skin's being pulled.
There is a point.
There is a point in time where obviously it starts to like there's not paint.
The skin's being pulled.
It doesn't sound like a painful one.
That sounds like just smell some cookies you like on that one.
Let's not do a brick check then.
Yeah, no, it's not good.
And to like, there will be, whether it's tape or it's underwear, there's like skin, you know, that will pop out.
It will not be in the tuck.
And if you're sitting in a bad situation, it like I've had like my the skin will pinch and it's like a pain that you can't imagine.
All trans girls who are who may be watching this will know the amount of pain, the kind of pain that it takes to untuck your penis.
Your sheenus.
That child's childhood.
What did you call it?
Period sheenus.
A chinus?
A sheenus.
A sheenus.
Yes.
Like a penis.
Yes.
I should call it that.
I just said it right now.
Oh, that's fire, bro.
I was never.
A sheenus, bro.
Inspired, this is great.
Did you hear Derek say that's y'all's childbirth?
Well, she was just describing the pain because you guys are women, so everything is relatable.
Childbirth has nothing on Untucky.
Try tucking your dick.
Thank you, Sam.
Take that, Sam.
I'm kidding.
Your pasta recipes is bad.
It's not, though, as bad as pain.
Okay, this is probably a stupid question, but we're stupid guys that don't know anything about trans yet.
So, have you ever thought about having a vagina put in installed?
Whatever.
I don't want something.
Yeah, a below ground pool.
You can climb the ladder for the above ground, but it's just not the same.
Because you can get the inside painted and make it look like a cleaner.
I can't do a whole thing.
It's the infinity pool.
That's a joke.
You cannot get the inside of your vagina painted.
That was a pool reference.
Yeah, I mean, I've totally thought about it.
It's like one of my goals for sure.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I mean, I just don't want to talk for the rest of my life.
And also, too, like devastated.
I know.
You talked about it in the first episode, too.
You were like, why would you?
What a gift.
Because you talk, that's you.
But for me, as a fan, I'm like, don't talk.
I want to see that dick print.
I know you do.
I want to see you walking around with these pants on, print it up.
That's what I want to see.
So it's like, I don't, what's your face?
Your face, body, print, heels.
Jaden feels spoken for, bro.
That's what I mean.
No offense.
But that's my message to all the shit.
It's like, I don't talk.
Stop talking.
That's real, though.
That's real.
I want to see it.
The print.
I want to see, like, oh, I was like, you want to, what do you, what do you want to do?
What do you want to do?
You've already seen it, Derek.
So, and then do you feel a pressure with your follow-up would be: do you feel pressure with your career that there are so many people that do enjoy the sheenish that it would affect your career negatively if you got the shina that sounds so magical?
Um, uh, that has definitely been a concern of mine for sure because you know, I don't want to shoot myself in the foot a little.
Like, yeah, I know, obviously, my audience, but my main reason too is like I love having sex.
Yeah, I think all of us love having sex.
And if you have had sex with someone who has had anal, you would know that there's like a lot of preparation that goes into it.
So, yeah, period, King.
Go ahead.
Tell us about it.
Go on.
Yeah.
I'm just saying, like, you know, that digestive system.
Yeah.
So it's, it's you gotta think about what you eat.
Yo, that's tea.
You know what I mean?
Like, for real.
It's real.
It's real.
So it just makes it really hard to have to be dealing with that all the time.
Digestive Systems and Natural Feelings00:14:46
Yeah.
So I would just like to be like a gutter bitch.
Like disgusting.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm going to eat my McDonald's.
I'm going to put it all in my mouth.
And you're going to put your mouth on it.
Because I don't got to clean shit.
Yo.
Oh, I don't got to clean shit.
I'm sorry.
That's dangerous.
I'm sorry.
That's my best.
And the pussies that get installed, are they like ready to go?
Is there, has been there like new technology?
Not just, I'm not really familiar with the, what is it called, even the surgery surgery?
Yeah, the bottom, it's called bottom surgery.
So I'm not familiar with that.
Look at our ally over here, our resident ally in the room.
So, so what, like, he's not an ally, he just studies his enemy.
Yeah, friends close, baby.
Daisy, I hear you coming on the podcast.
Let's win it out.
I don't know.
Mark didn't bring his cross today though.
Tuck that one.
Let's talk about tuck it.
Okay.
No, no.
So the bottom surgery, like, like all surgeries, these things improve.
Yes.
Right?
Like, you even look at like breasts now compared to like breasts in the 80s.
It's crazy, right?
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
100%.
Yeah.
So it's like, I imagine bottom surgery is drastically improving.
We haven't even talked about our top hat.
It's all great.
We haven't even moved up yet.
Yeah.
We're still down there.
But so I'm like, is there part of you that's like, yo, I'm going to wait because every six months to a year, the pussies get out of the way.
Right.
That's an IBM with MacBooks, yo.
Girl, do you want it?
You get a new iPhone, they come out with the new shit.
You had the 2024 pussy on the way.
Yeah.
There's a refurbishment period.
Yes.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
There are, oh, never mind.
I was going to say there are, there are children in workshops.
No.
Sorry, Apple.
Yeah, no, I, I mean, yeah, the technology is obviously getting a lot better.
It depends.
I mean, you just got to go to a good doctor, you know?
Because there, yeah, it's just, it's, you got to go to a good doctor.
I love, I love, I've seen some things, I've seen some vaginas.
Have you have you had sex with a bottom surgery?
A trans crawl?
Um, not with bottom surgery.
No, so that would be a trans.
Oh, wait a minute.
I feel like that would be a good way to like, like, you know, you test drive a car when you want to get bottom surgery.
Right.
You see which doctor do you have?
I will say, I have my friend, my friend, Natasha Dreams.
Okay.
See, I knew I somebody have to see their face.
Somebody know my name.
I was like, oh, I knew that would land.
No, she showed me her pussy and it was really fantastic.
Can she feel it?
Immaculate.
Yes.
And it gets wet the same.
Yes.
Wait, how does it get wet?
How does it get wet?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it depends.
Like, what did you just say?
This guy's crazy, bro.
I don't even know what to say after that one.
There are different options that you can get.
You can just get a regular vagina.
There's also an option like deluxe.
There's the deluxe.
What's that deluxe?
It's they take it.
It's like called like the sigmoid.
Wow, I'm so so medical.
It's called the sigmoid colon version, where they take a bit of your colon and then they use it at the top of your vagina and it helps lubricate more.
Wow.
Yeah, because they do self-lubricate because, oh, oh, I was like, is that me?
Oh, that's Natasi.
I've seen her.
Yeah, I know you have.
I know you have for sure.
Sure.
Yeah, no, there's like different options.
It depends.
I mean, I don't know how it works because I'm not a doctor, but like someone, like semen, half of it, like a small percentage of it is sperm.
And like the rest is like seminal fluid.
Seminal fluid.
Yeah.
So like it's all coming from like the same place.
Oh, so they can reroute some seminal fluid.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so, obviously, like, I don't have a G spot, I wouldn't have a G spot, but they place it where your prostate becomes your G spot.
So, then you can orgasm.
Yeah.
Oh, that was the other thing I was going to ask.
Inside and outside.
Yeah, inside and outside.
All right, you asked me.
Because you said you wanted to get a real vagina, but it's like, would you miss seeing your cum?
Like, as Patrice Neil said, like, the receipt, like having that receipt of like, I just came on this motherfucker.
That's funny as fuck.
See, the thing is, I feel like my hormones are fucked up because I can get hard like that.
But since being on, like, I don't come.
No.
Oh, my.
But yeah.
Like, obviously, I org.
Like, I orgasm, but I don't like, oh, oh, oh.
I don't have, nothing comes out.
And that is because of the hormones, there's no sperm production or lower sperm production.
Yes.
Interesting.
There are a lot of, there are a lot of people.
There are a lot of people who comment on my shit who are mad because it's like, what do you want from hormones?
There are trans girls who I know who are in the industry who take half of their dosage so that they can keep a cum shot.
Oh, wow.
Bro.
That's a commitment to the game.
You guys, y'all are so sweet.
Oh, wow.
Trans girls come and it's like a fucking rainfall.
Like a bucket.
Yeah.
So I wasn't saying you come like this.
That's how you know.
He doesn't even notice that there's no cum shot.
You know what I mean?
Think about it.
I finish before she gets there.
Before she comes, I can't.
Or he's just consistent.
He just doesn't care when women come.
That's what it's about to be.
No, he's women.
I do care.
It's real.
It's a real orgasm.
I'm careful about real orgasm.
I don't know if I, yeah, I don't really worry about that because I don't really have cum.
And also, too, yeah, I wouldn't really miss it.
I think, too, because I would have more.
You would have him.
No.
I'm like, oh, fuck.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Derek is salivated.
I tried to do it sly, but now everybody knows.
I just gave him a little tap and I'll try to take it easy.
But you know, I give him a close so excited.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's got rabies.
Sorry, baby.
Dog.
You're safe here.
You know, everything's going to be okay.
Wow, she just adjusted her engagement ring.
She's not going to try to book her name by herself.
It's not an engagement.
Okay, okay, okay.
Yo, I never thought about that, though.
If you did get the bottom surgery, you could potentially never orgasm again.
That is a, yeah, that is a possibility.
Holy shit, what a commitment.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it is like a lot lower percentage nowadays.
Like there was a much lower percentage.
Yeah, like 10 years ago.
Oh, yeah.
Like, I'm sure the girls who were getting shit done in the 80s, you are bold.
You are so bold.
And then just never again have an orgasm.
Yeah, no.
So to say, yeah, to not believe you don't feel like you were born the wrong gender seems crazy because you're willing to give up orgasming forever.
Yo, that's it.
When did you feel it?
Okay, see, this is going to get, this is going to where it gets juicy and it might be a little political.
I knew that not that I was trans, but like my biggest, deepest, darkest secret is that I wanted to be a girl when I was like six.
This is so interesting.
But go, go.
I did not come out until I was 15 just because I had gone, like I had said it to my friend and then we were like, cool.
And then it was really nothing else.
Like, I think I kind of have like the typical experience where I was like dressing.
Like when my mom would leave, I would like, she caught me one time in her wedding dress.
That was not a good day.
You know, like I would like wear makeup and like I would have that typical experience, but I did not come out until I was 15.
And I think that that was the correct time.
Come out as trans or okay.
Came out as trans.
Well, I came out as gay when I was like 13.
Right.
And my mom was like, no, you're not.
She was right.
She was right.
Mother's intuition, you know.
Well, that's the thing, too, is I came out, I came out to all my family and they were like, oh, okay.
And then I came out as trans, and they were like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That made more sense to them.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah, like when I came out to my grandma, she was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You, yeah, yeah.
I like wrote my mom a letter and this whole long letter, like, oh, I just felt this way my whole life.
And she's like, you're a great writer.
Woman, that was not the response I was looking for.
When we're outside before we walked in, you know, she was telling me that her grandma called her.
She's wishing her good luck on the show.
And she's like, Are you here?
You, did you land?
You ready for the podcast?
You got this, you know?
And I go, was it difficult for you, you know, when your grandma, you know, found out?
And she goes, did I do porn?
Yeah, that one, that one, that too.
That too.
Which was heart?
Sorry, go, go.
I want to ask a follow-up.
How did they know when they're all like, oh, that makes sense?
What were the things that they were like, oh, yeah, this is why I thought you might be trans?
I think, I think my whole life, I've just been very feminine.
Like, I've just been extremely feminine.
And I've always done like girly shit.
Like, I would always, I always used to dress up and always do different stuff.
Yeah, I don't know.
I just, I've always just been super, super feminine.
And when I, yeah, when I came out, god damn it, I lost motherfucker.
I'm just really, I'm just a woman.
Yeah.
Was there like a crystallized moment where you were like, oh, I feel like you said you were six, but there's like a moment in your memory where you're like, oh, this is when I was like, I, I'm a woman.
It was when I got on the internet.
I was like 15.
I was getting super into drag.
So I was like, I was like, it was like winter break, I think my sophomore year.
And I was staying at my, my, my sister's house, my best friend.
And for like two weeks straight, I went, we went to like Forever 21.
I got like my first girl clothes.
And for the whole two weeks, I was in drag.
Yeah.
And by the end of the two weeks and went to school, I was like, yuck, I got to put on fucking.
This is maybe more than I thought it might be.
So then I started doing some internet research and I started watching, you know, trans girls on YouTube.
And I was like, oh, fuck.
Do you think that there's because we had a buddy of ours on the show, Mateo, and I was asking him, I was like, do you think that there are a lot of gay men that, especially older gay men, that identify as gay because they didn't know trans was an option?
And that now that trans is an option, there are a lot more people like you who are like, oh, fuck, this is actually how I identify.
That was just the closest thing that I could be.
That is a great question.
That is a great question.
I think, I think the guys who have been loving, loving on trans girls have been there always.
Like, especially like, especially, no, no, no, no.
I didn't mean the guys loving on trans, I mean, the actual trans people.
Like, you first came out as gay because you're like, well, that's just not there.
And then you found out trans is an option.
You're like, oh, no, this is.
Yeah.
I think that's a lot of people.
Like, obviously not everyone.
Right.
But there are a lot of people that I know who did the same thing where they like came out as gay and they were like, oh, shit.
It's not that.
Yeah.
Because it's almost like gay has become such like a normalized part of culture.
Right.
So you just gravitate toward it.
And then you said you get on the internet.
You're like, oh, wait, there are these other people that feel a little bit more like I feel.
Yeah.
And I'm always curious about that feeling.
Like, I don't know what it's like to feel like a man because I because you're just, you are.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I'm so curious.
What is is there another sensation that is similar to that feeling that you can describe?
Like, this is going to sound like the dumbest thing ever, but like, you're fucking, you're cold outside and you wish you were warm.
This is the, that was the most lo-fi version, but is there another sensation that you can describe that's like being in the wrong body?
So other people that don't know what that's like can relate to it and feel the discomfort.
That's a lovely question.
Have you ever seen Mrs. Doubtfire?
Yeah, of course.
No, that was supposed to be a joke.
You're like, wow.
My mom's Scottish.
Favorite movie ever.
No, no, I was joking.
I think, I mean, it's only like a forward thing where it's like, obviously I said when I was six, like, oh, I'm my biggest, I want to be a girl.
Yeah.
But it's not like a forward thinking of like, oh, da-da-da-da-da.
It's like you do things that feel right.
I'm not saying anything.
Yeah, you do things that feel right.
So like me, like I would sneak in, sneak away and like do my makeup while my mom would leave and shit like that.
So we were thinking past that.
You were just like, oh, this, I like this.
This feels great.
Yeah.
There wasn't so much of like, oh, I'm putting on makeup and I want to be a girl.
It's more just like, oh, this, you know, because you're, when you're a kid, especially, like, you're kind of just doing stuff because it's fun.
You're kind of like mimicking the people you want to be.
Right.
When I was, and it's funny that you say that that is.
When I was very young, right?
And I was in like preschool.
Like, I saw the way my dad dressed.
Oh man, Lord.
And I was like, I need to dress just like this because that's how the guy that I want to look like dresses.
So I imagine this happens much earlier in trans people because you're mimicking the people that you want to be.
And those are, like, whenever I speak to a trans person, I'm like, when did you know that it's young?
It's awesome.
It's super young.
But when you speak to hetero people and you're like, when did you know you like girls?
They're like, I don't know, fucking nine.
13.
Exactly.
Because there's nothing that you're fighting, not fighting, but there's nothing that you're seeking that doesn't already exist.
Right.
Nothing feels wrong.
I think for her, when you're trying to be forced into like male stuff, it probably felt like this doesn't feel right.
Where I assume.
Whereas for us, it was like, oh, this feels natural.
Yeah, this is what it is.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I grew up in like a small town and all of my parents, like my parents and all of their friends went to high school together and stayed there and all had kids at the same time.
Oh, wow.
So like it was all of them.
And my parents wanted me to play football.
So I played football for six years at the beginning.
Oh, Derek.
Derek's in love.
Oh, my God.
No, I'll take God.
No, you can be more perfect.
What position did you play?
Accepting Parents and Forced Masculinity00:02:22
What position?
I was a tight ass.
Not anymore.
Jaden.
Jaden.
Yeah, yeah.
So it was doing stuff like that, where it's like having to do typical boy stuff and being like, oh, no, I don't like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This isn't for me.
Yeah.
Now, go, Gary, one more question.
You've mentioned your grandma a few times.
Was your mom as accepting as your grandma seems to be?
Your mom and dad, if he's both are still around?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They both are.
My relationship with my grandma is definitely different than my mom.
So I played football and then after doing football, I did theater.
So I'm also two.
I'm the oldest of three with my mom.
And then including my stepdad, I'm the second oldest of six.
So I started doing theater when I was like younger, nine or ten.
And my, I'm the, I'm the only non-athlete in the family.
So my mom and my dad were kind of taking care of my little brother and my little sister and kind of doing their thing.
And my grandma and I were doing theater.
We were like partners in crime.
And so I spent a lot of time with my grandma.
She's like my best friend.
Right.
Yeah.
You're the only real athlete in the family as far as I'm concerned.
Period.
The only professional.
The only one with stamina.
Yeah.
But she, I mean, yeah, she, she, she just knew.
And my parents too were completely accepting, but there were things obviously that we had to get past at a certain point.
So, like, my mom was very accepting.
And when she read the letter, when she read the letter that I wrote her, she was like, oh, yeah, okay.
But at the beginning of transitioning, which I mean, I guess I'm a little grateful for her now because I'm glad that I don't have those awful pictures to look back on.
But it was kind of hard at the time because she was like, okay, well, you're not going to.
If you're not going to dress like a girl until you look like a girl, what does that mean?
So it's like until my hair grew out, until I became a little more feminine.
I was not supposed to present femininely.
And to after that, I really, I mean, obviously, no shade to my mom.
Love you, maybe.
But I like, they didn't really take me school shopping anymore.
Oh.
Dressing Like a Girl Until You Look One00:05:19
So for like the last like three years, I mean, not even, I say three years, but like for the next five years of my life, like until I was 20 years old, until I started making money doing porn, I wore like the same clothes.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
So porn was a crazy come up for you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it kind of also like saved my life a little bit at the time because I was about to be homeless.
No.
Yeah.
I was, oh, Lord, we're going to get all into it.
No, this is great.
I was married and we started doing stuff together.
At the time, I had just like gotten my boobs done, period.
And we were trying to like find a job, find do anything.
I think I applied to like a hundred different jobs.
I was trying to work as a Starbucks.
I applied to be a dance teacher for kindergartners.
Those poor fucking kindergartners.
So I applied to do like a million different jobs and nothing got back to me.
And so we were kind of becoming increasingly more desperate.
And I was like, well, I saw, I saw a tweet on Twitter.
Yeah.
And it was fake, but it was like a guy who was like, oh, I got this check from Pornhub and it said like $50,000.
And I was like, that can't be real, but we got to try it out.
So we made a video without like my face or any tattoos or anything in it just to see if people would even be interested.
And people were really interested.
So then I showed my face and then shit blew up.
And it's been a crazy record.
Really?
Wow.
So your career is based on clips.
You started putting out clips.
Yeah.
This is interesting.
So you guys put this video out.
Now, do you, I don't know how the system works on Pornhub.
You put it out.
Do you get like ad revenue off of Pornhub or something like that?
Yeah.
So they have a Pornhub actually has a really comprehensive model program.
And they had a clip site that they had, kind of like many vids or something of that nature.
I don't know what I compared that to.
But they added a clip site so that like the verified models could get more money.
So you do make ad revenue from the public stuff.
Yeah.
But they added a clip store that's now been taken down after all of the credit card drama.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, because all the banks and stuff.
Yeah, because they were saying that obviously no one wants to be seeing like revenge porn and stuff.
Right.
But I would not but not but.
No one wants to see that.
No one should have that out there.
Or child porn and all that shit.
That's awful.
Pornhub has the most like comprehensive, vast like vetting process now, especially now within like the last three years.
So yeah, you can definitely make money, add revenue off of Pornhub, but it wasn't like a lot.
And it still takes time.
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Also, show dates.
First of all, thank you to everybody who came out Stress Factory and Bridgeport.
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How did you and Jaden meet?
Bumble.
Really?
Yeah.
Jaden, have you ever dated a trans girl before?
No, I haven't.
Really?
And then was that?
Did you know who she was when you saw her?
I did.
I did.
I was on Bumble and then I saw her and I was like, this kind of on brand for me.
Like, like, it was some wild shit, but I'm like, fuck it.
Yeah.
If anybody else is going to do it, it's going to, you know, it's going to be me.
So, yeah, we hung out.
I took her out for like tea or some shit.
Like, yeah, well, I fucked up.
I fucked up.
I was ignoring him for a second.
Yeah, she wasn't sure.
He's very cool.
He's very funny.
He posts a lot.
He'd like posts on his IG and stuff.
And I would like comment and stuff.
He likes to do things right now.
I need three days to mentally process a plan.
He would always match me like what are you doing right now?
What are you doing tonight?
I'm not today.
He got a hat.
I'll see you in five hours.
Yeah, yeah.
So I was kind of ignoring him for a little while.
And the last, I guess, the last chance that I had was the time that we finally went on a date because he was about to leave my ass.
You guys go out for tea.
Yeah.
And then just hit it off.
And then we made out in the car for four hours.
Let's go.
Did you make the first move?
I think I asked.
I usually wait a minute, especially.
It's like the Me Too movement and shit.
Yeah.
I just, I wait.
I need verbal confirmation.
We hung out in the car for like, I would say maybe 45 minutes too long before we started making it.
I'm just like, listen, I'm just trying to think.
And then finally, I was like, all right, whatever.
I just asked, and it was cool.
It was well, too.
Like, at least in my experience, the majority of other people, like, he never even made a move on me over the internet.
Like, I did not even see his penis until after we like he, I didn't see a dick pic.
You know, I think that's kind of normal nowadays.
It's like you see a man's dick and then you go on a date.
You know, it's like, yeah, I did not see anything.
He did not make a move on me.
That's kind of cool, right?
It was really cool.
It was really cool.
It was the first time that's ever happened.
Gentlemen, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was the first time that's ever happened for me.
And also, you're in porn, so people are going to feel more comfortable with their like sexual nature around you.
Oh, and you probably want the opposite, you know, immediately.
Yeah, like, hey, get to know me.
Please chill out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And obviously, like, if I'm heavily attracted to someone, I'm going to be into it.
But there is that kind of grace period where it's like, I need to see if you're going to respect me.
Yeah, disrespect me.
Personal.
Okay, Jaden, can we add?
Do you play with the thing or what?
I'm definitely, you know, it's there.
I'm going to appreciate it while it's here.
I was going to say, I've never, I've never bottomed or anything.
And I'm not that that's not that there's nothing you know it.
You know that's just not your thing.
That's just not my thing.
And I feel like sometimes you're like, shit sounds cool as an idea.
And then it's like, oh, I have an opportunity to do this whenever I want.
And then I see, like, if we want to fuck, she won't eat all day.
I'm like, yo, yeah, that's just not that important to me.
Fighting all day and shit.
I'm going to be angry or hungry and shit.
Do you jerk off to her?
Yeah, I do.
Although I will, I will say I did way more before we dated.
It's just because it's not like if I jerk off to her, I have to watch another nigga fuck her or another woman, depending on the video.
Period.
That is also true.
Her and Luna got it in.
He didn't see that one.
Okay, so it's just playing with it.
And was that difficult at first, or were you like, yo, I know all about this shit?
Like, I've just worked with this forever.
See, it's like there's, there's all these emotions and all this talk and shit where it's like, oh, I have to be in the right side of history.
I have to say the right thing.
So it's like, guys don't want to be like, hey, it might feel gay to suck a dick or it might feel gay to touch a dick.
Like, but that's some real shit.
But it's like, I don't give a fuck.
It's a ladies' dick, though.
It's a lady's dick.
Yeah, yeah.
But it was still, I was like, obviously, I'm open to this.
I'm going on a date with her, being respectful, not trying to be on some weird shit.
But it was like, when we first got intimate, I'm like, am I going to feel weird about this?
And if I feel weird about this, how do I keep that to myself?
Because I don't need to make her feel bad for my own issue.
Right?
Because it's like, if you try to, if you with somebody, like, if you with the fat girl, you can't hit her with a fat joke in an argument because you knew she was fat when you started dating her.
That should make no sense.
That should make no sense.
You're getting HD and shit.
Yeah, and it just doesn't.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It just didn't.
There's nothing about it that feels gay.
And that's and I've done like I'm by not really, but like I like niggas sometimes, but like not really.
If they're smaller, I can't eat that.
Jade is a star.
He said the bar is low.
I don't want to fuck with a nigga who wicker to me because it's like, oh, you a bitch.
Right?
Yeah.
But I don't want to fuck with a nigga who's stronger than me because he could beat me.
And he's like, this don't work out.
You need like, like, what is it?
Scorpion and sub-zero?
Like, you need your exact opposite.
Okay, so at first you were like, I don't know if this is going to feel weird, but eventually you were like, all right, I'll give it a kiss or something.
Yeah, like, it didn't feel any type of way.
You ain't got a grab hair.
Like, I just brought that, like, me being box.
Like, I've done shit that is gay.
Like, I'm not.
Like, you know, I talk to dudes or whatever.
And it's like, you know, when some shit feels gay.
You know it's gay.
There's about a question about it.
You like, I am being gay.
Like, I might not be gay like that.
I'm gay, but I'm not bitches.
I'm gay, but I fuck 50.
I fuck bitches.
It's like, you know that.
And when we're intimate, it doesn't feel like it.
It just feels like any other, literally any other girl, it's the same shit.
Baby, you need to chill.
Alex brought out his asthma.
It's not good.
That's different.
Yo, but that's the great thing about it.
Like, that's the greatest compliment.
Not only is that the greatest compliment, but it's also like the greatest proof.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, whoa.
I don't know if people really digested what you just said.
I did.
No, like, how about you digest it for us, Andrew?
No, no.
I don't.
That's some real philosophical shit.
No, it's some real philosophical shit.
That was profound, man.
Like, you've done gay stuff.
You've hooked up with her.
There is a penis involved.
And you know what feeling gay is.
You know what having sex with a man is.
You know what?
Doing stuff with a man.
And you're like, it doesn't feel like that.
You can objectively state it.
Yeah, it's some different shit.
It's just, it's just straight up some different shit.
And it's just in your own mindset.
I feel like if you're because this is the weird thing is dudes will be attracted to trans women, but it'll be a fetish.
So they don't have any respect and they sort of have this like self-hate and this like this like homophobia, I guess, that is internalized.
So it's like, there's all these different layers, but shit is so much simpler.
Like I thought about it like this.
It's like, am I going to be stressed about bringing home a trans girl?
No, because I'm going to be stressed about bringing home a white girl.
I'm going to be stressed off.
You know what I mean?
You're half a white girl.
Yeah, I'm half.
I still got black family.
I got a reputation.
I just realized niggas are going to oppress you about anything.
They don't even oppress you about anything.
And so it doesn't fucking matter.
You feel me?
It really doesn't matter.
That's respect.
Yo, that's fire, dude.
This guy's crazy.
I love you guys as a couple.
This is new.
Derek, get the fuck out of here.
Why are you trying to break them up, dude?
You're a piece of shit.
That's a respect.
Trump, dude.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God, bro.
Guys, I mean, that was just absolutely phenomenal.
Yeah, this is so great.
Yeah, this is just so amazing.
Is there anything else that you guys would like to ask Daisy or Jaden before they leave?
Oh, maybe.
Yes.
Yeah.
So I think so many cis people have a fear.
Oh, I'm going to misgender someone.
I'm going to misgender a trans person.
They're going to hate me.
They're going to freak out at me.
Like, I'm going to look like a bad guy if I do that or if I dead name someone.
Has that ever happened to you?
And explain dead name for people who don't know.
Can you explain that?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, dead name is saying someone's old name.
Right.
Yeah.
That obviously has happened to me.
It's not, and that's the thing.
It's like, it's not always offense.
Like, it's not always.
I grew up around a bunch of hick ass people, a bunch of country ass people.
There are a lot of people who are genuinely curious, like and can be.
It could be offensive because it hurts your feelings, but gen come from a genuine place of curiosity, not in an asshole yeah, and that's been really easy for me to separate, because you can tell when someone has a kind of tone.
And i've been around a lot of people who are not very educated, not you know, but are still curious.
So it, I mean, it happens.
It definitely sucks because there are people who do use that.
There are people who i've met too in the opposite, that like meet me and don't know that i'm trans and then, after they find out that i'm trans, they're suddenly having issues with pronouns.
So that kind of sucks.
But wait wait wait, what do you mean?
What do you mean by that?
I mean like they meet me they, they meet me, they're like oh hi, you know woman, but then oh, then you, but then I, but then they find out that i'm trans and then they are slipping up, they're all sudden, oh he oh sorry yeah, and it doesn't happen nearly as much, like it doesn't happen nearly as much as as um, it might seem, but but it does happen and but I think majority of people are.
You think that's a little passive aggression, maybe?
Yeah, I think I think there's definitely some passive aggress like there.
There are people who are assholes, you know, like i've had.
You'd think that guys are most violent.
I've had more uncomfortable experiences with girls than I have.
Guys insecurity, you think it's yeah yeah, because I mean it's like, oh, my god, you're not even a girl and you're prettier than me.
Oh, i'm more of a girl than you're ever gonna be.
Your boyfriend is racking off to me.
Yeah yeah, you you interesting.
Do you ever feel pressure to be like an activist?
Yes, where you're like, yo, I just i'm a trans person, i'm a trans woman, I do porn, I don't want to have to be protesting or whatever like.
Is that a pressure you embrace?
Uh, I mean, I feel like at a certain point, it's not my job, at a certain point, like in, not like in a, not in a way where it's like it's not my job, but it's just like I am tired of it.
I just don't want to be a wild.
I'm not.
I'm, i'm not a teacher.
I'm not a teacher.
I didn't get a phd, so I am not going around trying to teach people lessons.
You know what i'm saying.
So when I was like saying all like the training point, I was talking shit because i'm trying to be funny, but like that and you didn't.
You're like oh, you clearly.
Oh, this nigga's joking, he's also clearly a fan, I mean, you guys are comedians, yeah.
So, and to the way that that clip I had like was posted on IGNA got taken down and I reposted on my twitter and there are a bunch of people who I follow, who I love, but were like, oh my god, this is so musty ew gross, this is so disgusting.
I thought it was hilarious.
I don't like the word tranny like obviously, like more seriously, talking about it, like I don't like it, but it was obviously a joke and it was very same thing.
The Dave Chappelle like yeah, there are a lot of people I feel like we what, where we are right now, you see something on twitter, you'll see a headline and you read the comments below and that's about the amount of information that you get.
Like people are not researching, people are not doing stuff.
The, The people who I saw talking shit about the Dave Chappelle special clearly did not watch it, because I went and I watched it.
My roommate is a trans girl.
We sat and watched it together.
Were there a couple jokes that were definitely a little like, ooh, but the majority of it was fucking hilarious.
And at the end of it, too, he says multiple times, like, I am not here to shit on trans people.
Like, so y'all don't need to be attacking me.
And that's just real.
Like, I think we are very sensitive.
And I mean, not all the time.
I don't want to seem like I'm blanketing everyone.
But yeah, I think it's, and I think that that also comes from where I grew up.
Like, I can see where people have good intentions.
Yeah.
So regardless of if Dave Chappelle, people were going off of like, oh, he's not telling the truth.
He's lying.
It does not matter.
He's a comedian.
You're going to.
And it's a fucking stand-up special.
Like, yeah.
And I, again, I think it's so ridiculous to take things out of context and then to, because even too, like, I could see how that, the one clip from the IG video, if you just watched that clip and you did not watch the other 40 minutes that he was talking about my penis, then you wouldn't, you know, like you wouldn't get all of the love and admiration.
Tongue in your mouth, though.
She's talking about what I said, bro.
Yeah.
We don't have to.
But no, I think that's an interesting.
I think that's an interesting response.
And also like, like, people talk about a lot about like a, like, a privilege or whatever, like white privilege.
And I think like, like, I think white privilege is one facet of it is being able to have like your own unique thoughts.
Like, cause I don't have to represent the group.
Right.
So like you represent, you have to represent the group.
If you're not, the group is going to be upset at you.
Yeah.
But the group also is under attack.
So it's like, yo, guys, even if we don't all agree exactly, let's kind of band together, do this.
Black people have to do this.
I'm sure you guys have that fucking pressure.
Even you saying the stuff you said today, you're like, man, I dealt with so much fucking screws.
Banding Together to Fight This Fight00:02:08
Well, I know that there are people who are just not going to fuck with me after this shit comes out.
Yeah, just straight up.
You feel me?
And I just like, I make music, like I'm a rapper and shit.
I know that there are niggas who aren't going to work with me, who are going to call me all types of names.
And it just is what the fuck it is.
Yeah.
Because you're deciding to be your unique self.
Yeah.
And that's what, just like you said, it's like, there is no, there's no monolith.
There's no group.
And that's what, that's what freed me.
Like when I was younger, I felt like, oh, all black people, like my skin folk are my kinfolk.
And I love black people, right?
But it's like, just because he's black, he doesn't have the best intentions for me.
It's like, it's about character, about how people are treating you.
And it's like, I'm just me.
I'm just here being me.
I'm doing me.
If you don't want to date a trans person, you don't have to.
Just shut the fuck up.
Yeah.
You feel me?
Like, it's really, this shit is simple.
It's like, we just need to mind our own fucking business.
And you're and I, and I get, I get, I get both sides.
Like, I get the, the trans community when they're like, yo, we need to band together because we got to fight this fight.
But I also get the individual trans person who's like, I kind of think this is funny, even though it's about me.
And so I understand.
I have empathy for the internal struggle.
And I have empathy for the person who goes, man, I don't necessarily want to be an activist, even though I know it's important.
I got to support these people.
I also just want to be Daisy.
Or I also just want to be Jaden.
Or I also just want to be Derek or whatever.
And that's a fucking, that is a difficult, that's a difficult thing.
Yeah.
I mean, I think we're all the butt of the joke at some point.
Well, like literally, like, that's, that's the whole point of comedy.
Um, you can't laugh at someone else if you're not willing to laugh at yourself.
No, that's, that's real.
So I just, yeah, I, I hate, I hate, I just, everyone's fighting.
I don't want to fight.
Everyone's fighting.
Every group is fighting with each other.
I don't want to fucking fight.
Like, we can just have fun.
And again, yeah, it's things are funny and everything's not that serious.
Yeah.
I feel like I just see a lot of shit where understandably, especially with trans women, like we want to be safe and stuff.
Girl, you are not going to die every single time that you, you know, like you are not fighting for your safety every time.
Maybe, you know, maybe that's wrong of me to say, maybe, maybe some people are.
If you live in Dock on, but I feel you're not every time.
Avoiding Another Surgery for Comedy00:03:44
You're right.
Yeah, but it's, yeah.
No, I feel like we should just be having more fun.
I think, well, I think that's my hope always with this podcast is that like, you know, we have tons of different people come in here.
We all have fun and the commonalities, we like busting balls and making jokes.
Yeah.
And that's, that's, yeah, that's kind of our goal.
I don't like to state our goals like that because I don't want to be too preachy about it.
But if that can kind of come across and we can create an environment where people are having fun, I think that we can do a lot more good than harm.
But Al, you had a question.
Now, first off, thank you.
I learned a lot.
I was afraid of saying the wrong thing.
So I was like worried, but you've like, I learned so much and I feel a lot more comfortable like just knowing more about your life coming up.
Right.
Pretty much.
And you're hot, respectively.
Thank you.
I'm on board, bro.
I'm on board.
You transitioned pretty early, so this might not be the case, but can I hear your pre-transition voice?
I mean, I feel like I'm talking with it.
Like, I can make my voice.
I can make my voice deeper.
Did you like that?
That's funny.
Well, I actually had, I had, um, I had like my Adam's apple removed or not removed, but I had it shaved down.
You literally just saw the scars as you're talking.
Yeah.
God, he's shocked.
He just found out he just turned on again.
I know.
So he's the only person I can get.
He wants a bigger Adam's apple.
And then I was like, yeah, yeah.
I'm implant there.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, my voice has pretty much been the same.
And hormones don't really change your voice all that much.
Yeah.
And for me, it's actually been difficult trying to get my voice back because I got my Adam's Apple situation done.
And they told me also, too, because, I mean, I don't do it, but I sing, but I don't will not do it anywhere.
But I sing.
So I was very nervous about getting it done.
My doctor told me that my voice would be back in two to three weeks.
It's been two years now.
Oh, and it's like, I, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, like, like, I can't let, like, there's no falsetto.
It doesn't connect.
So my voice actually got deeper after I had the surgery.
And there were a bunch of people who were like, wow, wow, man.
Like, that's the number one comment that I get is on my voice.
Really?
Yeah.
Did you talk to the doctor about it?
And be like, yo, what's good?
You like?
No, I don't.
I don't want to go through another surgery.
Cause that's the thing is I have to go through another surgery.
Or, I mean, I've been taking voice lessons again, so I'm trying to like vocally train to get my shit back.
But yeah, I just don't want to go through another surgery.
Like, I don't want to go through another surgery to then fuck it up again.
Again, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Any other questions, guys?
Your eyes are beautiful.
Thank you.
That's not a question.
What did you say?
Oh, thank you.
Anything else you'd like to say before we?
Oh, yeah.
Please tell them where they can see you.
Oh, yeah.
Obviously, y'all can find me on OnlyFans.
Yeah.
What's the OnlyFans?
OnlyFans.com slash here on Neptune.
On Twitter, here on Neptune.
What is here on Neptune?
Well, that was the first, that was the first account that my ex and I did back when we did the first porn up video.
Before you showed your face.
Heart Belongs to Another00:03:30
Yes.
Yeah.
So it was like, it literally was, and it doesn't mean anything.
It's like an amalgamation of literally like band titles and words that we like put together.
We're like, oh, that sounds cool.
So it really is nothing.
But since then, people are like, oh, am I going to, should I go to Mars?
And they're going to go on fucking.
Oh, yeah.
Uranus is right there.
We did it.
Come on, guys.
You don't want to make a joke about X93?
No.
Yo, check out Daisy.
Support Daisy.
Daisy, we love you.
We rock with you here.
And Jaden, thank you so much for coming on the show, man.
Of course.
And if y'all need anything, man, you let us know.
Okay.
This was awesome.
Yeah.
Now, before we go, I think that it's only right that with Jaden's blessing that we marry Derek and Daisy.
What do you guys think?
Yeah, you have to.
No other change.
With your blessing, Jaden.
Jaden?
Into the couple.
I think that's it for it.
The realest grandmother.
The realest one.
Because he just wants you to be happy.
I want you to live your dream, bro.
I want y'all to be like you, baby.
That's the number one white man compliment in the comments.
Oh, my gosh.
Daisy, Daisy, how would you feel if I married you guys right now?
I don't think I have an option at this point.
You always have an option.
You almost have an option.
You don't got no fucking options.
Okay, well, we're going to Indian marry you right now.
Period.
Okay.
Oh, never mind.
Mark, are we ready?
Do you have the vows ready?
Yeah.
Derek, do you take Daisy to be your lawfully wedded wife?
Do you promise to love and cherish her in good times and in bad, in sickness and in health, for richer, for poorer, for better, for worse?
And forsaking all others, keep yourself only unto her for so long as you both shall live.
I fucking do.
Now you gotta ask Daisy.
Daisy.
Daisy, do you take Derek?
Do you agree with all that shit?
You ever seen a kid be a big mouse for the first time?
Derek, but it's cool.
Both of us have clammy ass hands right now.
Derek's just wet.
I'm literally just colon on his hands.
Daisy, do you believe all that stuff as well for Derek?
Yeah.
Okay.
For Richer.
For Richard.
Okay.
So without further ado, I pronounce you both husband and wife.