Flagrant - Andrew Schulz & Akaash Singh - Fresh&Fit Expose Their View on Women

Jan. 20, 2022 - Flagrant - Andrew Schulz & Akaash Singh

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Fresh&Fit Expose Their View on Women

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Fresh&Fit and the Flagrant hosts clash over a viral clip where Fresh claimed he doesn't date Black women, sparking debates on internalized racism versus comedic context. They dissect dating dynamics, arguing women chase high-status "clout" while men must project confidence to avoid being "finessed." The conversation escalates into a debate on gender roles, with hosts asserting men should lead and women follow, contrasting sharply with guests who advocate for genuine emotional security over manipulative "cat and mouse" games. Ultimately, the episode highlights a fundamental divide between transactional relationship strategies rooted in evolutionary psychology and the pursuit of mature, committed partnerships. [Automatically generated summary]
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Why We Hate Black Women 00:14:21
	What's up, everybody?
	Welcome back.
	We are here with some internet bad boys.
	Yeah.
	Okay, and we got to get to the bottom of something.
	Why do you guys not like black women?
	Here we go.
	Well, we just came from the KKK rally, so we really can't.
	Were you well received?
	They told me I couldn't join.
	They told me I couldn't join.
	Yeah, you're there.
	I have their real account, bro.
	Get out of here, boy.
	I'm fucking with you.
	But obviously, you saw what happened on the internet.
	You guys saw us react to it.
	You hit me.
	And like I've always said on this podcast, we ever talk about somebody and they want to clarify their opinions or at least have a conversation about it.
	You're always welcome.
	You said, hey, I want to come on.
	You are here.
	The floor is yours.
	Tell us what happened.
	So I went to this KKK rally.
	Now, man, long story short, so this is kind of a longer story, but we got time.
	Oh, we got time.
	We got time today.
	So we had Asian doll come on our show.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And actually, you booked her as a guest.
	Yeah.
	So funny story.
	So I met her in the club.
	We spoke, me and her manager, and we had a cool vibe, you know, cool person.
	Hey, come on the show.
	We'll show you some love.
	Boom, boom, boom.
	She agreed.
	Cool.
	Next day comes around.
	Her manager's there.
	She's two hours late.
	Right.
	We're like, you know what?
	We'll start the show.
	You know what?
	Just showing you love.
	We'll still bring you on, even though you're two hours late.
	Yeah.
	But, you know, you're coming into it kind of like two hours late.
	And then from there.
	And then mind you, so we had been having the show going on already.
	And we had two girls.
	Well, actually, one girl that was on the panel, she kept interrupting.
	You know, and you guys know running a podcast, you can't have people having sidebar conversations.
	Yeah.
	Distracting speakers.
	It's ridiculous.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So, and we're live.
	So it's not like we can like do in posts or anything like that.
	So it's like everything they say, they can hear it.
	And the audience, you know, doesn't want to hear that.
	Yeah.
	So I told her like for the seventh time, and this is when Asian doll just sits down.
	Hey, can you stop having a sidebar conversation?
	I've told you like six or seven times now.
	Right.
	So Asian doll kind of steps to the girl's defense like, oh, you're mean.
	And I was like, I just like stopped the show.
	And I was like, how am I mean?
	And I explained to her, I had been telling her prior to you getting here what was going on two hours plus for two hours long.
	And she's like, oh, well, you're just a mean ass nigga.
	And then she's like, I don't care, blah, blah, blah.
	And even after I explained to her the situation, she basically responded by saying, I don't care.
	I don't give a fuck.
	I'll do what I want.
	I'm going to say what I want.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	So I was like, whatever.
	Well, then you can leave then.
	And Fresh had booked her, right?
	And her manager was there.
	So instead of me, like, out of respect for him, because like normally I'd be kicking people off the show.
	I don't care.
	But I had a respect for him because he booked and everything.
	I was like, you know what?
	Fresh, you handle this.
	You know, I was mad.
	Not mad, but I was like, serious.
	I was like, well, you got this.
	And I just like walked away from the situation.
	I had to use the bathroom anyway.
	I always drink water.
	So, and then by the time I came back, I was gone for like a minute or two.
	They were gone and they left.
	And I don't really have anything bad to say about them.
	It's just like, come on, man.
	Please respect me.
	But is that where this whole conversation stemmed from?
	Because I heard about the Asian doll situation.
	I'm not really too familiar with her, but I am familiar with people potentially being rude on a podcast.
	It's your podcast.
	You don't like the way they're acting.
	You could potentially kick them out.
	That's your prerogative.
	I think we're talking what?
	I think what he's saying is because people were offended by that, then they go scrub through the history.
	Exactly.
	So let me fast forward.
	Now I'm going to fast forward.
	So you're saying the internet is like, fuck these guys.
	I hate them.
	Let me figure out why.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So basically, all that, that happened, right?
	Shadroom posts it.
	And of course they post it out of context.
	Like, oh, you know, he told this girl to get out, blah, blah, blah.
	And he was being rude, but they don't realize that I was actually talking to the other girl, not Asian doll herself.
	She stepped in to intervene for the other girl.
	Gotcha, but she had not known that that girl was being extremely disruptive to the podcast two hours prior for two hours before that.
	And I actually documented in another show the six or seven times I told her, please stop having a cyberboard conversation.
	Please stop doing that.
	Please.
	Being nice the whole time.
	So what she does is she goes on Twitter and says, I was just defending a black woman, Cap, right?
	Like, it wasn't that.
	You got called out because you didn't know what happened prior.
	You didn't want to look stupid.
	So now you're going to go ahead and say, I'm a savior.
	I just was protecting a black woman.
	Then that's when Twitter pulls out that old clip from a year ago and says, These guys are racist too.
	Check this out.
	And then bang, that's when all the backlash started coming.
	And it's funny.
	Now, what's the clip that we're talking about?
	It was the one where you guys were saying that you don't preferences dabble in the dark.
	Yeah.
	So the Knight Rider shit was funny, bro.
	I'm not going to lie.
	Now, man, I always say that.
	Here's the thing: Night Rider is looked at as fucked up because you're saying you don't do it.
	But if I was a white dude and I'm like, bro, I'm a Knight Rider, bro.
	I don't know what that is.
	I love Knight Riding.
	Might be racist too.
	But not received as poorly.
	That being said, I understand where you guys are coming from.
	You're like, yo, none of y'all had an issue with this a year ago.
	Now that this girl stirred up the internet, made it in Shade Room, made everybody hate us.
	They're looking for the worst things that we said.
	And if you podcast for nine hours a week, you could easily go and find an excerpt in those nine hours where you look horrible.
	So I'll explain that part, right?
	So this backlash happens, right?
	She says, I was defending a black girl, Cap.
	It wasn't that.
	You just look dumb and you didn't want to look dumb.
	So you said, defend a black girl.
	Boom.
	Then someone resurfaces this Twitter thing.
	Mind you, we had already went viral because of this on Twitter.
	On Twitter prior, like six years before.
	Gotcha.
	So, so, but the thing is, is it never went to YouTube, it just went, stayed on Twitter, died there.
	Like, something called black Twitter.
	I didn't even know it existed until this clip came out.
	Shocking.
	Yeah.
	I told you there were a white man Twitter.
	I had a bunch of angry people messaging me after.
	So anyway, so the clip resurfaces, blah, blah, blah.
	And that episode, what they did was they pulled like a 30-second excerpt from an episode we did about a year ago where we talked about using different dating apps to meet different girls.
	And our show, for those of you that might not know, we'd shoot it live, right?
	Yeah.
	And we get super chats that come in and we read the super chats.
	We make jokes, ha ha ha, all that stuff.
	We take call-ins.
	Those are donations, by the way.
	Donations.
	Don't show it.
	So it's a very interactive show with our audience.
	So someone sent in a super chat.
	And mind you, we had just been made, finished making fun of some other YouTubers in this clip prior to what they actually clipped.
	And then he says, Hey, have you ever heard of the dating website Blacked?
	And then that's we made those jokes like, haha, we don't dabble in the dark, you know, Nightrider, whatever.
	And we say that joke all the time about like Night Rider.
	We ask girls when they come on, like white girls, hey, do you like the BBC, whatever?
	Yeah.
	And she's like, yeah, I'm like, all right, she's a night rider, David Hasselhoff in house, ha ha ha, right?
	Right, right, right.
	No one says anything, but they want to go and pull that clip.
	Don't you think the issue is you guys just declaring that you don't really date black girls?
	Don't you think that's what people are upset about?
	Well, I mean, at the same time, we have preferences, right?
	And we have standards.
	But, you know, we were kind of joking because of the blacked dating app per se.
	It wasn't like, oh, we hate black women.
	It's more like, okay, we don't really date like hood black chicks per se.
	Right.
	LaShawn and Laquretia.
	But it wasn't like we hate black women.
	It's like they took it that way because of Asian dog, but we didn't.
	So we hate black women.
	Right.
	But you would date black girls, is what you're saying.
	Yeah, we have in the past.
	Bro, it's not our normal preference.
	At a yacht party, a bunch of white girls.
	I was dating the only black girl there.
	Right.
	It's like, bro, I don't hate black women.
	My mom's black.
	My sister's black.
	I was like, what?
	Yeah.
	Weird.
	It's just like, you know, they're going to sensationalize it, paint this narrative that you guys are racist.
	Take a 10-second clip.
	And here's the thing: if anybody watched our podcast, we're very, we're kind of like you guys, very politically incorrect, make jokes.
	That's the thing.
	I never criticize people for jokes.
	But then again, we might have different prerogatives with the podcast.
	I think you guys are more in like a life coaching space and like helping guys become the best version of themselves.
	And we are comedians that just say fucked up shit all the time.
	It's literally called flagrant too.
	Like we are being flagrant on purpose.
	So you're going to be treated with different expectations.
	Of course, of course.
	And the thing is, this, like, I make fun of everybody.
	Don't go into the preference thing, man.
	Let's talk about what I made fun of everybody.
	So it's like that.
	Preferences, bro.
	I want to know where I'm coming from.
	I don't have a problem.
	Well, I'm not saying I don't have a problem with a joke, but I have empathy for trying to be funny.
	And then it comes out fucked up and then everybody's on your neck.
	Exactly.
	That's something Al can speak to black shit a lot more.
	I can speak to, yo, you're trying to be funny.
	It comes out fucked up.
	That's not what you meant.
	What I don't like, what I find corny as fuck, is my preference is not my women.
	Now, I thought it was, I'm not dating my women, period, which is the corniest human being outside of a criminal to me, period.
	It's just those are your roots.
	Those women are reflected in your roots.
	So if you're saying, hey, I don't generally date them, but I have, I have more space for it, even though I still think it's a little corny between that's just my date.
	Akash is the extreme.
	Like, Akash only dates Brown.
	Oh, okay.
	Akash has been with one girl in his life who's his wife.
	That's my wife.
	That's an Indian.
	And I understand it's not as important for y'all, but as an Indian, there's not a lot of us who are famous.
	So whether you like it or not, people are looking at you as a role model.
	You guys have established yourselves as role models from simps to pimps, which is another model I find kind of corny.
	But I looked into what you guys are about.
	And a lot of this shit is just childish, which is fine if you want to be funny.
	We just talk about how doctors ain't shit for 45 minutes.
	We are not in any way life coaching.
	We are not in any way trying to help men outside of, hey, come have a laugh for a couple of hours.
	If you're going to paint yourself as life coaches and then say shit like, yeah, you know, I mean, I just don't really fuck with black girls like that.
	I guess, I guess, my, my, my, like, just curiosity, I'm just curious is like, where does preference come from?
	Like, I was trying to think about this after I saw the clip and I was just like, why do I like what I like?
	And I really was thinking about that.
	Like, who's who decides that?
	Is it my life?
	Is it my surroundings?
	Like, if I was raised in Mexico, I'm sure I would find Mexican girls beautiful.
	I would eat Mexican food.
	Like, these would be my preferences.
	But preferences aren't really choices, right?
	Culture dictates our preferences.
	I think the experiences also, I want to say what you've been raised on, what you've been taught.
	Because, for example, I'm from the islands, right?
	Barbados.
	So I've seen mainly black women my whole life.
	Now, when it came to tourist girls, I was like, wow, white girls are here in Barbados.
	Lit.
	I want to see what's going on.
	So I'll give it a try.
	Like, it's pretty dope.
	It's two different cultures.
	So for me, it's like, okay, let me try something new, see how it is.
	I'm here in the States.
	It's like, okay, Spanish girls, white girls, girls from all over the world, are you bet.
	However, regarding black women per se, like, dude, like, my thing is like, we're in a space where like people are targeted, especially black people per se, black, white.
	And it's like, whatever you say can be used to the extreme.
	So what we said was kind of like, I want to say not funny to them, but to us is like, we're just cracking jokes, trying to be.
	You're being hyperbolic about your dating preferences.
	Right.
	That's kind of how I took it, to be honest with you.
	But I think you can understand how the internet might have taken it.
	Right.
	And then doubling down and being like, it's okay to have this as a preference that you like.
	Usually your preference is what you like, not what you don't.
	Exactly.
	I think that was the biggest issue.
	Like, if you just like, hey, my preferences, I kind of like Latinas.
	I don't even think you get any pushback.
	But saying my preference is, I don't like that.
	That's, I think, where people start to feel rejected.
	And then they go, why, why don't you like me, man?
	Also, the way they said they didn't like it.
	Like, that's what I was like bothered by the clip.
	It's like, you guys go out of your way to say what you don't like, even though that's not what you're discussing.
	It's like your preference is what you do like.
	But then the way in which you went about how you don't like black women, oh, I don't like the ratchet.
	I don't like the ghetto.
	I don't like the shaniquas.
	Like, that's like, if you a white person saying all that, that's racist shit.
	And I'm just disappointed in you guys as black men to be talking about our sisters like that.
	So you don't have a problem with the way you spoke about your sisters like that.
	Like if that, if it was him saying the same thing, you would be upset.
	No.
	No.
	So if he was like, oh, I don't like ghetto black women.
	I don't like Shaniquas.
	It wouldn't bother me.
	That's a preference.
	Wow.
	Because the thing is, is that...
	That's lame.
	The only thing I can control is my reactions to what happens in the world.
	Like, the world is not a fun, it's not like a rosy place where everyone is going to not be biased or not be racist or whatever.
	Like, I understand that there's going to be people that are inherently racist.
	It is what it is.
	The only thing I can control is my emotions to it.
	So, I don't get mad about what people say because that's just the way things are.
	I don't, the world doesn't owe me understanding.
	So, all I can do is, real quick, real quick.
	You know what's weird?
	It's like, the word racism is thrown out.
	Like, I don't, I never saw it as racist because I don't know.
	I didn't, I didn't, I didn't believe that you guys wouldn't date a beautiful black woman.
	Yeah, we have like a past reason.
	Yeah, like, I just didn't believe that.
	And again, you guys can correct me, but like, for me, the word like preference is so weird because I think our preferences are really like mechanisms that we use to find like emotional security.
	You know, like if a person's like super quiet, like if I'm like this quiet, like shy dude, my preference is probably an aggressive girl because she allows me to be my safe place.
	Right.
	I don't have to go like out of my way to go get her.
	And I'll probably prefer that girl, but it's not based on like this chemistry thing.
	It's really based on like what allows me to feel like emotionally secure, right?
	And like, let's say I'm a controlling ass dude.
	I probably want a girl that is a little bit more like in need of guidance because yeah, submissive, because then I get to feel my safe place, which is controlling.
	Right.
	So like, I feel like if a girl, and again, I can't speak for y'all, but I feel like if a girl gave you that emotional security, regardless of what race they were, you guys would date them, no?
	I can't feel like just because they're they're black, you would say no.
	Yeah, here's the thing about the clip.
	Like, like I said, it's context.
	It's us having a good time.
	It's us making jokes.
	We make fun of everyone.
	It's just that they don't clip all the other segments of us making jokes on everyone else.
	They want to clip that one set, that one section at 20, 30 seconds.
	Say that, you know, try to paint a narrative.
	You guys are racist, and because you guys are racist, this is why you can't think.
	I don't think racism is.
	I've never seen that.
	The racist, I don't think that's what I'm saying.
	But I'm just saying what they're fine.
	And you guys, I know people who know you, they say you're good guys, stand-up guys.
	So I don't have a problem with you as people.
	Otherwise, I wouldn't have you on this podcast.
	And then, you know what I mean?
	Like, you can have a ticket or whatever.
	But I'm really curious.
	This isn't a goddamn racist.
	I'm literally curious to have the conversation.
	Yeah, what does bother me that I think it's not racist is self-loathing, which to me, I don't particularly give a fuck how any other race looks at us.
Painting a Racist Narrative 00:16:10
	I give a fuck how we look at ourselves.
	So if I saw an Indian saying some shit like that, that would bother me.
	Andrew told me he doesn't like Indian girls all the time.
	That's great.
	Don't date him.
	That's good for me.
	But when an Indian says that shit, then it's like, yo, you know what?
	You do that because you say you don't like white women.
	I know.
	And if you leave this up, I'm going to divorce my wife and fuck a lot of Indian shit.
	Isn't that refreshing from a minority, though?
	Looking throughout the rest of the record.
	But I have a problem with somebody that I feel is self-loathing.
	And I'm not going to be as offended because you're not from where I'm from.
	But if I was black and I was Alex, I'd be like, yo, that shit is more than racist is self-loathing.
	And that bothers me.
	What do you guys say about that?
	Like, do you guys...
	So let's remove the racism thing here.
	Yeah.
	What about, do you think it has anything to do with self-loathing?
	Is there any like kind of like internalized hatred, which might not even be your fault?
	It might be like the surroundings you were in, it made you feel like these girls weren't good enough for you.
	I would say, honestly, bro, like, just experience, man.
	Like, for example, like you said earlier, if I met a girl that's like feminine, submissive, and like black, I could date her.
	And like in the past, like, I told you, I had a yacht party.
	She was the only black girl there.
	I was dating her.
	So it's like, it's not, I hate by women.
	It's more like experience shows me that, hey, for whatever reason, like, you know, if I suppose somebody with those traits, I'll date them.
	So, so this is interesting.
	A buddy of mine, we have different opinions on it.
	You know, oh, we'll go.
	I want to hear yours.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, I mean, it's just like what I'm saying is that, like, it's not our normal preference as in, like, it's not what I normally date.
	But if I was, if you were to take 10 girls that I've dated in the past, maybe one or two of them would be, would be black.
	Right.
	You know what I'm saying?
	It's not the normal thing I go for.
	And as far as like me being offended, if someone were to say something about a race or whatever, like I said, I wouldn't personally be offended by it.
	You know, like we make jokes on everyone.
	So it's like, hey, man, we make fun of Asian girls, white girls.
	Again, I don't have an issue with the joke.
	I have an issue with the mentality.
	It's a joke to me.
	You were talking to a guy who's made the craziest jokes, death threats from everywhere.
	I can separate myself and be like, that's a joke that failed.
	That's the high wire act.
	We're at Chinese podcast.
	No, no, no.
	We don't give a fuck when it comes to the jokes, right?
	No, for sure.
	I just want you guys to understand where the reaction is coming from because I think maybe we'll better help you.
	No, we understand.
	We understand.
	So it's not the jokes.
	It's literally just feeling like you don't date a specific group of people and they're trying to understand.
	I think that's what it is because I think what you said is probably the most honest, which is, yeah, if this girl met all the things that I like in a woman and she was black, I've obviously date her.
	But I don't know if you feel the same way.
	No, no.
	If she met my requirements and her skin tone is relevant, but what I'm saying is that most of the time, you know, most of the girls that I've dated just didn't fit that parameter of.
	So here's the thing.
	Like my buddy right now, who's trying to find a Jewish girl, right?
	He might be in this room and he's trying so hard to find a Jewish girl.
	And he just found Latin Jewish girls.
	And he goes, oh my God, they got the whole Latin thing and they're Jewish.
	And now all of a sudden the Latin thing is kind of like a preference, right?
	They're so sexy.
	They're so intimate.
	It's like this spicy, real connection.
	Now, there's nothing wrong with you saying, I like the Latin thing, right?
	Now you're putting that affect on all Latin women, which is not necessarily the case, but you want a Latin girl who is Jewish, right?
	So is it possible to put a cultural affect on a race?
	Maybe when you guys were speaking about race, you were really speaking about a cultural thing.
	Because if you made a girl from Lagos, Nigeria, they might act completely different than a girl that you're meeting from South Florida, a girl that you meet from California, a black girl, et cetera.
	Like there's not going to be this monolith amongst black women, right?
	I would say where you're raised will determine how you act for the most part, right?
	So Caribbean girls are different from girls from the U.S. versus like Nigeria.
	So it's culture, man, honestly.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Which are you?
	Yeah, I mean, like I said, I'm looking for certain traits first.
	And then obviously, you know, her race is irrelevant if she meets a certain matches certain traits that I'm looking for in a woman.
	But what I'm saying is that most of the women that I've dealt with just don't tend to be black.
	And it's not something I necessarily go for.
	That black women tend not to have.
	This is a dangerous question, but I have to ask.
	I mean, there's obviously we know the stereotypes, which I won't even go into right now.
	But a lot of the time it doesn't necessarily match what I'm looking for.
	Okay.
	So question for y'all in here.
	Have you ever dated a hunt black chick?
	Yeah.
	Have you?
	Only Indian girls.
	Have you?
	That's why, again, I have.
	So if you were to prefer a girl, would you date her?
	Question for you.
	I don't look at, I'm like, race doesn't come into play.
	Like, I just look at the traits.
	Like, you guys, that's why I don't understand how you don't see an issue with what you said.
	Because you both just said, hey, I look for traits first, like personality traits, and it doesn't matter her skin tone.
	But then in the clip, you got to say, I don't date black.
	I don't date dark.
	I don't fuck with Shanique.
	Like, you're just talking about race in that entire clip.
	So how do you not see the problem with the clip when you both just say, hey, I go for personality?
	You said Lashonda and LaQuisha.
	And you said you don't do the dark.
	That was a joke, bro.
	Oh, so I think there's a lot of reading into this clip right now.
	Like, it's like, here's what I think, though.
	I do believe it's a joke, man.
	I mean, that's a cop-out.
	Yeah.
	It's a cop.
	If your show is educational and I'm trying to help people, and then when I say something wrong, oh, that was a joke.
	I run around.
	We got it.
	I think I'm always going to be on the side.
	I'm always going to be on the side of jokes.
	And that's just who I am.
	I'm a comedian.
	I support him.
	We also can't necessarily ask him to have the same empathy as us as comedians.
	That's a black dude.
	I'm not comedian.
	I always got to do it.
	I can understand.
	I'm trying to be funny and I misward some shit.
	But then when I peel it back and I go to and I dig into what you're saying, it's still just as it's more troubling to me.
	So say that.
	Like say, hey, I misspoke.
	I told the bad joke.
	But you guys are doubling down and saying you're like, there's nothing wrong with what I said.
	Nope.
	Nothing wrong at all.
	But I don't, but that's kind of bullshit.
	Y'all both said that you date black women as long as they fit the things that you want.
	That's not our normal preference.
	No, but like, okay, okay.
	You're taking Dublin Dark as like Eric Bogger.
	We're saying LaQuisha LaShonda.
	I'm not, they didn't know her black chick, bro.
	So you misspoke.
	You made a bad joke.
	Nigga, we said it's a joke.
	I'm saying, so you said, so you made a bad joke.
	So you wish you didn't say that.
	No.
	Like, but is this?
	Hypocrites.
	I don't know.
	I just feel like it's egoist.
	Like, sometimes you get in the situation where like, I've done this.
	I said some shit.
	Listen, we do this shit all the fucking time, right?
	You say some shit, and then you get all this backlash.
	You're like, man, fuck all these people.
	I'm going to stand on this shit to the end of time.
	But if it's not really what you feel, then what you're standing on.
	Like, you, I think, are being the most honest.
	You, I think, you got too much ego.
	No, and you're not even going to badger.
	There's a lot of reading into this clip from like a year ago of us just having a good time.
	You're making it about the clip.
	I'm making it about what you're saying right now.
	Yes.
	My preference is, which is honestly bullshit.
	It is, I don't want to date black girls.
	That's the way every black dude that fucks white girls says it.
	I've dated black girls in my life.
	All right, bro.
	Who the fuck hasn't except me?
	You know what I mean?
	Everybody's going to dabble in everything.
	It is the mentality that I have an issue with.
	And Alex is upset with the specific words, true, but underneath it, he's upset with the mentality.
	And the words bothered him, but I think the mentality would still be troublesome to him where it's like, what is I need a girl that's submissive?
	Like that's, if y'all are really trying to help man.
	That shit is nice, bro.
	Cause I'm not the one that's nice.
	And that's nice, but it's a lot of shit that's difficult, bro.
	No, it's fine.
	A lot of stuff you guys say in general, I think, is stuff that's kind of childish.
	It is, I saw a clip where you were like, oh, the nuclear family's falling apart.
	What do you do?
	I don't get married.
	Just don't get married.
	You're actually trying to help men are you talking to fucking incels who are 18 years old.
	You know what I mean?
	That's some shit you say to college.
	I'm going to turn you from a simp to a pimp.
	All right, bro.
	Can we grow up?
	You guys are self-help.
	You are.
	Hey, we're trying to help men.
	So either we're funny or help men and be real and be honest with yourselves and don't have an ego.
	Like, no, I just, you know, I have a preference.
	Be honest.
	Have an honest conversation.
	And I don't think the man is fear or maniverse or whatever.
	I don't think it's a bad thing.
	I think there are people who are doing it really well.
	The roommates, Hafiz, who you, that's who put me on to you guys.
	Great.
	But let's just be mature about what we feel.
	And part of that maturity is, yeah, it was a bad joke.
	I don't actually feel exactly that way.
	I mean, if you guys feel that way, that's fine.
	But respectful.
	We make our content.
	You know what I'm saying?
	People enjoy it.
	We make jokes on it.
	We provide entertainment.
	We provide education.
	We do everything.
	Because if you just only provide, you know, self-help stuff without any type of entertainment value, people are going to be able to do it.
	I agree with that.
	I think jokes are.
	No, the joke of time.
	I don't have a problem with the joke.
	I'm a good time to tell you guys.
	I think it's clear.
	And I also would say this.
	I think it's very important that men learn certain skills, right?
	I think it's important that men learn how to fight.
	I think it's important they learn how to talk.
	And I think it's important they learn how to have sex.
	I mean that, like, how to have sex with a woman.
	Not literally the act, but like how to get a woman to the point where they want to have sex with her.
	I think these are really important because I think the better that men are at those three things, the better they become as human beings.
	And I think when you're not, right?
	You're a bitter, kind of fucking angry.
	Of course.
	So I school shooters.
	Real talk.
	That's what happens with those schools.
	And I want to get a lot of people.
	I'm not a school shooter and pussy.
	As far as the marriage and the incel thing, what we do is we provide guys information so they kind of go into dealing with women, especially in the West, in a way where they can protect themselves.
	Because marriage, you know, even though it's a fantastic institution and we definitely believe in a nuclear family, the setup for it right now is not optimal because the divorce courts heavily, you know, favor women.
	There's a lot of situations where guys can absolutely get destroyed from divorce and marriage.
	So we just tell guys, hey, go on with your eyes wide open, understand the laws, understand the stats, and know what you're getting yourself into.
	Yeah, I think I don't have a problem.
	I don't disagree with what Andrew said.
	The way I look at it is, you know, you watch them fucking, you see them evolutionary charts from Neanderthal to Homo sapien.
	Y'all are the first motherfucker out of Neanderthal.
	But grow with your audience, mature with your audience as you work on yourselves and add some nuance to what you're saying.
	How old are you guys?
	29.
	29, and I'm 31.
	And 31.
	So you guys are adults.
	I think that like...
	I mean, hey, if you don't like the content, totally fine.
	I have respect for your hustle.
	I have respect for, again, you guys as guys, from what I've heard, are stand-up guys.
	So I don't want to be, if I'm crossing a line, that's my bad.
	And I also, no, no, no, totally.
	I also don't want to talk shit in an environment where I know I don't have to fight and just say whatever.
	Because I can't fight.
	So I don't want to be a phony.
	I think it's important to be able to come together.
	Yeah.
	Have differing opinions.
	Have a discussion about it.
	Yeah.
	No big deal.
	And, you know, you might feel our content's immature.
	That's fine.
	A lot of guys enjoy it.
	You know, we help a lot of guys out.
	We've saved a bunch of guys from, you know, hurting themselves.
	I don't want to say the words are on YouTube.
	Self-deletion.
	We get messages all the time about it.
	So I think that's something that's, no, no, I think this is something important because like guys are going to reach out.
	Like I remember there was when I was young, right?
	Like there was a book that came out called The Game by a guy named Neil Strauss.
	Do you guys know?
	And this is like, this is, yeah, like the pickup artist movement kind of really happened around this book.
	And it was fucking, and I remember reading the book and I remember like talking to my friends, like, bro, you guys got to read this book.
	Like, there are people who have actually found the science of getting laid.
	And at first, it was like really exciting, right?
	It was like, oh, my God, like, they're like tools to this shit.
	It's not just rolling the dice every time you talk to a girl.
	Like, there's things that you can actually do.
	And then eventually it was corny because I thought that I thought it was weird that if you thought you had so much value, you would have to devalue a woman for her to see value in you.
	And I was like, nah, this is whack.
	Like there's other ways to do it.
	Like if you actually have value, like she's going to figure that out if you spend enough time with her.
	That was at least my philosophy on the book, right?
	Like this idea that you got to like hurt their feelings and shit.
	So all of a sudden they like you.
	It's like, if you think you're the shit, I don't got to hurt your feelings if you truly believe in yourself, right?
	So I was like, all right, this is a little bit corny.
	But what I thought was really important about it is that it took certain guys who could never fucking get laid and got them to a point where they could get laid.
	And ideally with that tool, they could learn how to not misuse it.
	And I think that's the same with like dudes who don't know how to fight.
	They want to posture up and beat up everybody, right?
	And if, and if you go to a fucking boxing gym, never one of those dudes try to start a fight with you.
	And I'll say this, like, what our channel does is like we help guys prepare themselves to kind of like with women in general.
	Not at all.
	I actually thought of that.
	Have you been to a boxing gym?
	No, no, no.
	I'm talking about that book.
	I thought about that book.
	Do you think people are really going to learn those tools and then have the wherewithal to learn not to misuse it?
	No, no, What I'm saying is like, like when you first start boxing, like you start hitting the mitts and you look good in the fucking midst, like you, you in the bar, like ready.
	And then eventually you spar a little bit, you get humbled, right?
	And then you learn and you actually spar and you start humbling other people and you're like, okay, I feel confident enough in myself.
	I don't need to misuse this power.
	And I think when you first start to get laid, you're like, oh, shit, I could like have sex with women.
	I go out to the bar and it's kind of like up to me.
	Holy shit, this is fucking amazing.
	And then I think eventually you start going, okay, I don't need to kind of misuse this in a crazy way.
	I'm feeling something else.
	Or you start.
	If you're really honest with yourself, you find out what you're feeling with that pussy.
	Some people make that realization.
	Others might never, and just continue to use those coercion techniques to get women.
	And then that's why women think so shitty of those types of things.
	And I will say this in their defense.
	That is kind of whole picture.
	But that's not their responsibility.
	Exactly.
	They're still probably helping more people than they hurt.
	I do think as you have sustained listeners, they're going to, again, the end of the book is why I thought of them.
	The end of the book, whether he's cap or not, the guy basically just realizes it's kind of empty.
	In today's dating marketplace, the way dating is from between men and women, girls have a crazy upper hand.
	You know what I'm saying?
	And we've talked about this with how the world's changed with Instagram, online dating apps, et cetera.
	Women really have all their leverage when it comes to dating and relationships nowadays.
	So what we teach guys is to kind of go into this fight that you're talking about and be prepared.
	Most women are using rocket launchers, and guys are going in there either bare fists or with butter knives, right?
	They don't really know what they're doing.
	So we tell them, listen, man, you got to understand how women operate, how they think, et cetera.
	And a lot of girls finesse guys.
	So we teach guys female nature, how to understand how women communicate versus how men communicate, how to get what you want out of relationships without getting finesse.
	Because the thing between men and women is that men are trying to get sex, women are trying to get money, time, attention, resources, whatever.
	And both genders are leveraging their asset to get the other commodity from the other without necessarily giving up their asset.
	Men want to get the box without necessarily having to go on dates and spend money.
	Girls want to get the money and the dates without necessarily giving up box.
	So it's a delicate dance between the two where you're going to try to, you know, get what you want out of dating.
	And unfortunately, most guys don't know how to navigate this properly.
	So that's what we teach guys to basically fight fire with fire because girls are playing the game, girls are finessing guys.
	You know, we have a whole sugar daddy epidemic going on right now.
	We have got a bunch of girls finessing dudes.
	So we teach guys how to fight fire with fire, honestly.
	And, you know, you got to know what you're doing when you deal with women because they're playing the game.
	So you got to play it as well.
	But here's the thing.
	I got to give pushback on that because here's the thing.
	I don't think that every girl that you're meeting is trying to finesse.
	I do understand what you're saying.
	Not every.
	And I think most, to be honest with you, like if you're charming and you're down to have a good time and have fun, they want to have fun too.
	I think most women are dealing with such boring guys that if you're an actual guy that's funny and entertaining, their eyes light up and they're so down to enjoy your time and your company.
	And I think most women are actually entering these relationships insecure.
	They're going to fuck it up.
	They're going to be, oh, am I going to be too clingy?
	Should I not call him every three days?
	I think it's actually like to a guy's detriment to think of women as these people that you're fighting, so to say, like these women are more nervous than you.
	Once a woman likes you, she's terrified she's going to fuck it up.
	She's calling her friends.
	She's calling her father.
	She's calling her mother.
	Manager, you got to get to that point.
	So like, that point is a 30-minute conversation.
	She's like, I'm going to marry this guy.
The Leverage Gap Explained 00:05:56
	Hold on.
	Here's the thing.
	Most girls, most dudes are invisible to most girls.
	Women only see a small percentage of men.
	Most guys are virtually invisible to them.
	That's the reality.
	So I think if you enter in with that mentality, that's how you're going to see it.
	But I think if you enter with the mentality, like nobody should be invisible to me.
	I'm the fucking shit.
	That girl's going to figure that out.
	But we got to accept reality.
	That is reality.
	So, let me just add this, right?
	Yeah.
	So, your point of view is from your experience, right?
	Yeah.
	We talk to guys and girls every night, every single day.
	We're actually in the dating field every day, dating apps, sugar sites.
	We're in there with the field learning real time.
	So we give advice regarding this topic, bro.
	It's like we're in the field with girls right now.
	In Miami.
	In Miami.
	So like his experience and him saying this is because we see guys suffering.
	You know, the hardest part?
	They don't know what to do.
	They're out here.
	I'm with girls.
	They know what to do.
	So I'm not sure if you're a girl.
	You can't teach them to trick girls into giving them a bunch of people.
	A girl that's capable and knows what she's doing.
	That's unfair.
	Meets a guy that doesn't know what he's doing.
	She's going to take advantage.
	It's just human nature.
	Well, why?
	I don't think she'll take advantage, to be honest with you.
	I think she just won't be interested.
	And I think that if we look at women, that's a problem, though.
	Yeah, but if we look at women like predators, then that's a bad perception for a guy who's trying to find a woman that he wants to marry.
	Like for me, I'm trying to find a girl I want to marry, right?
	So I can't go into a relationship with someone that I'm about to trust with my life and my kids' life as, oh, this girl's a predator.
	She's trying to get over me.
	She's trying to figure it out, right?
	I have to go in open, and then I actually have to go and go and, oh, my shit, do I really like this girl?
	Is this person I want to spend the rest of my life with?
	I know that she would want to spend the rest of her life with me because I'm a great guy.
	Well, we tell guys to go in with, you know, and here's the thing too, guys.
	But why they're so defensive?
	Why are they scared?
	It's like, you got to be aware.
	So, so we're in a unique position.
	It's not the forest, bro.
	We're in a very different position.
	You're a lion, but you treat, you're teaching them like they the fucking gazelle.
	Like, we the lions out here, bro.
	So here's the thing.
	So we're in a very unique position because we talk to thousands of guys.
	Yeah.
	We also talk at this point, we've interviewed well over a thousand girls on our podcast.
	Yeah.
	And there's been some things that have come up that made me realize, okay, this is why we have these issues with dating.
	The reality is this, I'm going to boil it down for y'all.
	Most women are delusional of where they think they stand and most guys underrepresent themselves or where they think.
	So girls have an overinflated sense of ego for the most part because we ask them all the time.
	We actually have a delusion calculator we use.
	And we ask them, hey, what type of guy are you looking for?
	And when they put in their ideal man, every single time he's in the top 1%, pretty much.
	Very rare.
	You know, we're talking well over six feet, over $100,000 per year, not married, not obese, et cetera.
	Not weird.
	Yeah.
	You asked the ideal.
	No, of course, but they all think that they deserve that as well is what I'm trying to say.
	They say that's what they want and they feel that they deserve it as well.
	Don't you guys think you deserve your preferences?
	Yeah.
	No.
	Go ahead.
	So, but these girls are not necessarily in a position to demand that kind of man when there's not enough these guys to go around.
	You get what I'm saying?
	And then the thing is with that guy is that that guy has the leverage, not necessarily the women, because once you get to a certain point as a guy, you now actually have the leverage where you're the commodity versus her.
	You know, she's just an attractive younger girl, but there's plenty of girls like that.
	So that's what we've kind of found in the middle.
	You even have broke friends that got pussy growing up.
	Here's the thing.
	They might get girls or whatever, but are they going to be able to keep them?
	Are they going to be able to do that?
	I have a lot of people.
	We had a friend that would, he was my roommate.
	He would walk out of the house every day with an old hoodie with a mustard stain on it.
	And the guy got tons of pussy.
	But I was getting told you live with my parents, walking them into the living room, seeing my mom drink Bud Lights.
	Here's a problem.
	Like, it's this idea that it's so hard to get laid and all this.
	That's the fallacy.
	The fallacy is that they're not as equally as nervous.
	What they are is bored.
	Women are bored with corny fucking pickup lines and shit.
	But teaching guys that they got to be terrified and they're these fucking monsters, these predators.
	It's like, make it up.
	Stop being a bitch.
	We don't tell guys to be terrified.
	We tell them to go in and understand how women think, how they operate, and put yourself in a defensive position where you're vetting the girl.
	Yeah, but that's got to come.
	Why are you in a defensive position?
	Sorry, you're right.
	Yeah, so you got to basically put yourself in a position where she's complying to you.
	She's qualifying to you.
	Most guys come in thinking, oh man, I hope she likes me.
	Let me get the girl.
	What we tell guys is you need to come in and be like, take it or fucking leave it and then have her comply to you.
	Because when a woman is following your lead and a woman is feeling like she's qualifying to you, you should have sex.
	She's attractive.
	But most guys don't come from that angle.
	They come from a scarcity mindset.
	They're just desperation.
	And let me prove myself to her, blah, blah, blah.
	They kind of fall into a fairy tale.
	We should prove ourselves initially.
	We have to.
	They have the pussy.
	If we don't prove ourselves, we can't enter.
	That's the game.
	Here's the thing.
	I respectfully disagree with that to a degree.
	Because she's going to know that from like...
	She can't have sex with you without you willing to be half a sexual with me.
	But that's done with your existence.
	Like, that's just from your energy, the way you operate, the way you speak to her, your tonality, your confidence, your leadership.
	She's going to see that just off of messing with you.
	You don't necessarily have to brag about what you do.
	No, I never said brag.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I said she's going to learn just from being around.
	Of course not.
	Of course not.
	She's going to learn from being around you who you are.
	Exactly.
	And ideally, there are things that you can do to like expedite that process.
	So there are certain dudes who like, they might need to be friends for a month.
	And then that girl starts to realize, oh my God, this is a fucking really quality guy.
	And he was a little nervous and weird when I first met him, but he stayed true and he wasn't building my fucking cabinets and doing all this shit.
	He was just a fucking good guy.
	Now I realize it.
	And then there's some dudes that are going to be a little charismatic within five minutes.
	All of a sudden, that girl's going to be like, oh my God, this is the best.
	We told guys never be in the friend zone.
	Get out.
	Yeah.
	That's real.
	Andrew.
	I think, I think, I agree with you.
	I think I don't have a problem with that.
	I think that that's smart.
	I think the problem with the friend zone is I think with guys is dishonest on our behalf.
	Yeah.
	Very, for sure.
	I don't think you should ever lie about your intent, but I think that you can respect if that person isn't interested.
	But as long as you continue to know, like, hey, listen, I like you and I think that you're great.
	And if you don't like me, that's fine.
	I'm not going to put any pressure.
	But please know, like, that's that's why I want to hang out with you.
	But let's be real here.
	When a girl meets you for the first time, right?
	Shirtie knows if she's going to fuck you or not.
	So her, you playing games with her?
	Oh, let's see what happens.
	Bro, she already knows.
	I think that's some shit we say.
Average Women Want Above Average Men 00:11:16
	I don't think that's 100%.
	Matter of fact, I have another friend, not a great-looking guy.
	Shout out to Rel Battle.
	I hope you're watching.
	He said, Every girl I've ever fucked, he said, I didn't think I was going to fuck you.
	And he goes, I know.
	Every girl.
	There might be exceptions to the rules, but most average guys struggle with women.
	And the thing is, is that from us talking with thousands of men and at this point, well over a thousand women on our podcast, average women, girls that are very average, expect that they deserve a man that's well above average.
	And that's kind of where that's kind of where it's skewed.
	Aren't you teaching men to expect the same thing?
	What do you mean, as far as like to get the best?
	You're not teaching men to expect mediocrity.
	You're teaching men to expect the best thing.
	So what's wrong with these girls wanting to expect they can have their standards, but man, come on, let's be honest.
	Be delusional in life when y'all decide to have a podcast, right?
	But think when you decide to have a podcast and enter this podcast in space, right?
	You were delusional in your ability to believe in yourselves.
	You're like, oh shit, we're going to create content that other podcasts, other blogs are talking about.
	We're going to put an imprint on this space.
	That's delusion.
	And it worked.
	Delusion is America.
	Everybody should be delusional.
	The American dream is delusion.
	Every girl should go in there going, I should have the best fucking guy.
	Every guy should have the best fucking girl.
	Fuck being realistic.
	I ain't got nothing in my life from being realistic.
	Real talk.
	My parents got nothing in their life from being realistic.
	I'll never be a realistic once in my entire life.
	Here's the problem.
	You got women 40 plus with no kids with cats and dogs home miserable.
	Why is that?
	Delusional.
	At some point, you have to be realistic.
	Nah, there's other reasons.
	It's not delusional.
	No, no, no, they are.
	But it's not the delusion that makes them.
	They're not their standards.
	They're crazy.
	Yeah, they might actually have issues in their life.
	Girls that are young have these same standards too.
	And the thing is, they go through life living their 20s, having fun, but they want to get 30 plus.
	Like, wait, I can't find a man.
	Why is that?
	But what's the problem?
	They can't get married.
	The institution that y'all don't even want to partake in?
	No, they believe in you guys.
	Believe in nuclear family.
	The problem is, yeah, for sure.
	Like, these women know it is, bro.
	Like, I'm telling you, bro, you think it's all sugar and spice, but like, they want to get lit, have fun, enjoy lit 20s, but without any type of like responsibility.
	And then when they want to find a man, it's like, wait, I've been hoeing around doing this dumb shit, but I can't find a man.
	Why is that?
	Most women that I know want to be married by 27.
	Like, and again, I'm a little older than you guys, right?
	And Miami might be a little different.
	It might be, and exactly.
	Culturally, it might be different.
	Miami's a wild town, right?
	And I mean, we lived there for four months, and I even found myself going, I want a boat.
	Like, I never thought that in my life.
	I'm by the way.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Exactly.
	But like, you get caught up in it.
	It's just part of what it is, right?
	You get caught up in the value system.
	And that's just who we are as human beings, right?
	So I get that.
	And you guys might be around like the girls that you're talking to might also be there going, okay, the guy with the fucking boat and the AP and he's got the bottles and all that kind of shit.
	So their mind is a little bit warped as well.
	You know what I mean?
	But I wouldn't say that's every girl.
	No, no, we never said everybody.
	But I would say a large percentage of young, attractive women in the United States, especially if they're in a major city, have an overinflated sense of self-fund, too.
	But how about this?
	How about this?
	We're already going like attractive, right?
	So we're already taking like maybe top 10% of women, right?
	So now we got that, man.
	Is it like top uh 8 20?
	Like, most guys would smash most girls.
	Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
	They'd find them cute enough, even people.
	Oh, yeah.
	Because I think that, like, if you're talking about like people, the top 10% of women, like, of course, they're going to have a delusion.
	We talk about all the time.
	Like, an attractive woman is essentially a celebrity.
	And celebrities are also delusional, right?
	Like, women get into clubs free, right?
	They get it.
	They have people buy them shit all the time.
	Average chicks have this ego.
	His biggest problem.
	Even average girls.
	See, I think that's cap, bro.
	And I think we got to call them out.
	I think we got to call them out on Cap because I bet a lot of these girls that say that, I bet a lot of them are like, man, I'd really like a guy to fucking love me and settle down.
	Here's the problem, though, social media.
	Girls that are in Idaho, Bucktown, freaking Jersey, wherever can get flown out to Miami, LA, Dubai.
	So the problem is that social media changes.
	Ain't nobody flying a girl from Idaho or Dubai.
	Yeah, come on, bro, bro.
	You act like 90% of Idaho getting flued out.
	Son, these girls in Dubai, I mean, these dudes in Dubai got money, bro.
	Bro, where Miami are coming to Miami, too.
	I'm telling you, bro.
	The whole dating market has changed because of social media, especially Instagram.
	It's changing a lot.
	I believe that.
	I believe it's changed, but it doesn't.
	And we got to take ourselves because we're all, you know, influencers.
	People know who we are, whatever.
	You got to put your, because here's the thing.
	We came from, you know, regular jobs and stuff.
	I used to working off.
	Nobody.
	He was in tech.
	So, like, you know, before we were like, you know, famous, I guess, so to speak, not even really, but like it was different, like dating as a regular guy versus like.
	It was fun, man.
	So like, and we were able to see it from even then.
	Like, oh, wow, like these girls have a lot of options.
	Like, you, if you look at a girl's DMs, man, that's going to make you realize.
	Like, oh, crap.
	It's different out here, too.
	Average girls are talking to like A-list celebrities, man.
	It's crazy.
	It's wild.
	I was at a very college.
	I was at Drake's party, right?
	But they also know what time it is.
	Sorry to cut you.
	They also know what time it is, right?
	Like that.
	The girl who's going to Drake's party is not going there going, like, I think I'll marry Drake.
	She's going there going, I'm going to party with Drake.
	Maybe some shit goes down, but I know this is not going to really happen.
	And deep down, I would trade all this shit to have a fucking husband.
	Here's the problem, though.
	The guy.
	The guy that would be her husband, she's dissing him for futuring Drake.
	And even though she may want the husband, bro, she's going to follow Drake to the end of the earth.
	Here's the one more thing.
	For chance.
	Here's the other thing.
	We hang out with different girls, bro.
	Once a girl deals with a guy of a certain status, it's very difficult for her to go back socioeconomically and status-wise and deal with a regular guy.
	That's what I'm trying to say.
	So like an average girl gets exposed to a certain lifestyle, certain caliber guys.
	I think Drake is fucking a bunch.
	I ain't saying it fine.
	But to his point, it's very difficult for them to regress socioeconomically and from a status standpoint.
	You're 100% right.
	But like, I think a lot of those girls are the side pieces of a famous person.
	And that's not hard to regress from.
	Matter of fact, they might look at as pushing forward if they got a guy who's still doing well, but at least you just not sit in this fucking hotel room while this famous dude is out here with his wife and then he comes to you for 15 minutes.
	You basically just a hole for him to ejaculate in.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	So I think those girls who realize that position, they're like, I don't really want this.
	I'm not trying to be a forever side chick.
	They would love to settle down.
	Love to have a family.
	And they way prefer that.
	The only problem though is that he said that experience, bro.
	Like they'll marry.
	Taste them, man.
	They'll marry the dude and still go with the celebrity.
	So it's like, it's kind of like a double-edged sword.
	Yeah, they may want that.
	I need to take y'all out, man.
	Meet some nice girls, man.
	I need to take y'all.
	Meet some nice, sweet girls who don't care about this shit.
	We got some in the back pocket, but like, bro, I'm telling you, it's not easy to find.
	We talk to women every day.
	We have panels of between five to 15 girls.
	I got it on our party.
	We're going to digress.
	How many of them went to college, bro?
	Yeah.
	Almost all of them.
	Because right now, sugar daddies, all that shit.
	It's crazy, bro.
	Now that sugar daddy shit is happening, though.
	That shit is real.
	We're in the dating market every single day doing the thing live, bro.
	No, there's no question.
	I know you're talking to a lot of guys.
	I'm just trying to.
	I don't want you guys to be so disillusioned, man.
	No, I'm happy, bro.
	I'm happy to know the truth.
	Because now I'm free.
	Before I was like, this ain't the Matrix.
	Take the red girl.
	No, I'm just saying, like, when we're so locked in our bubbles, man, oftentimes it's like we attract the things that we talk about.
	I don't mean that in terms of some secret shit, but like the girls that are probably going to hit y'all up and want to be on the podcast and want to be on the podcast.
	And not even like, even the girls who are like, it's fucked up what you guys say.
	Like, I'm so different.
	Like, let's go hang out.
	They're also, remember, they're also trying to find their emotional comfort zone, right?
	Their preference also.
	They believe they deserve a guy who has the feelings you have about them.
	You see what I'm saying?
	Because their comfort zone is, I'm a predator.
	Maybe I ain't shit.
	I need a guy to kind of treat me as if we're fighting over this thing of dominance, right?
	So the girls that are reaching out to y'all don't even realize that their fucked up mentality is going to persist the beliefs you guys have about women.
	You're not having some girl going to church on Sundays hitting y'all up, like, hey, let me take you to church, see what's happening.
	That's a thousand girls you talk to.
	There's 190 million in the U.S. You know what I mean?
	Like you hit a very specific cross-section in Miami.
	Girls who are going to want to come on this podcast, want to talk to you guys, look for validation.
	That's not even the average woman.
	Hold on.
	We bring in a lot of girls from all over the place.
	Girls flying to watch, come on.
	Canada, America.
	They're still up.
	But they still want clout, right?
	They're still on the show because they want some exposure.
	Actually, sometimes just like her friends say, yo, come on the show.
	She doesn't know what she's coming into.
	She's random.
	Oh, fuck.
	It's not just Miami girl.
	I'm telling you, bro.
	It's all comfortable.
	It's all over, man.
	We're not trying to discredit the pool that you're going from.
	That's not what I'm trying to do.
	And I'm not really trying to discredit any of your work or any of that kind of stuff.
	I'm having a conversation with you guys, 100%.
	I just want you guys to believe that there are women out there that you would go, man, this person I want to have a family with.
	I mean, I'm married.
	Akash is married.
	Mark is married.
	Dove is trying desperately to get married.
	Right.
	So it's just like, it's possible.
	Now, granted, we might call you in 10 years and be like, y'all were fucking right.
	You know what I'm saying?
	And let me be wrong.
	Let me be wrong and I call you.
	But for right now, I think the feeling that we have, I want you to at least know that it's out there and we're not necessarily outliers because that might also shift your perspective on like, one, the girls that you're talking to, but two, the advice that you're giving.
	Question question.
	How long have you been?
	I literally got married weeks ago.
	Weeks ago?
	Yeah.
	How long have you been with her?
	Three years?
	Three years?
	Six years.
	Seven, eight now?
	Are you married in a relationship?
	Two years.
	Two years?
	So like things have changed significantly over the past like five to ten years with like the emergence of online dating apps, social media and stuff like that.
	So things have changed a lot.
	And I get what you're saying.
	I'm not saying, guys, that all these girls are terrible.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm not saying that.
	I'm simply telling guys, especially guys that have something to lose, that got money, that got, you know, status or whatever it is, just play defensive because like you have a lot more to lose when you get in a relationship with a girl, especially if you're getting married in today's day and age with the way the divorce courts are set up, family courts.
	No, I know it.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So that's all I'm saying is that I want guys to go with their eyes wide open and understand that you don't want to get into a contract necessarily with someone that's incentivized to break it.
	And that's what marriage is nowadays.
	But even before marriage, like just like dating in general, you know, you don't think that it'd be like cool perspective if you had a relationship with someone you really believed in and like had different values than a lot of these girls that you've been talking to and even dating.
	Maybe it'd give good perspective for the people that follow you and trust you because they'd be like, oh shit, you know, Myron's dating this girl.
	And he says that they're completely different than these fucking, these clout chasing whores that they talk about on the podcast.
	And I know that some of them are out there just for clout.
	You know what I mean?
	And of course, they're going to be the worst version, but there's going to be some good.
	And I'm saying that might create a perspective and an expectation that these guys should have.
	They should have an expectation there's a good girl out there that they deserve, you know, but if it's said as if it's not, man, what a terrifying way to date.
	You might as well just have sex with them and leave them if there's no way that you could build a future with them.
	Hey, man, go to Columbia or Eastern Europe.
	I mean, I just say it's, you know, a lot of modern day women have just certain bad habits that, you know, might not necessarily be conducive to a good relationship and or marriage.
	Right.
	Is what it is, you know.
	So we tell guys, like, if you are going to get in a relationship with chicks, you know, that come from.
	You're going to get married, bro.
	I already know.
	You're going to get married in three years.
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	I'm going to take some steps to do it.
	Three years.
	We're going to do it here.
	We're twins.
	I'm coming.
	I'm coming to the wedding.
	I'm speaking at that show.
	You know what?
	I'm speaking at that fucking wedding.
	I'm bringing all this shit down.
	I've only been there.
	It'll be in the Middle East.
	Black girl, too.
	It's going to be black Sudanese.
	Well, this is something I want to.
	This is a digression from this, but it's something I wanted to bring up earlier, which is you're going to say, I prefer not dating black girls, but then you'll bring those same girls on your podcast and get views off of them and get money off of them.
	Explain to me how, and genuinely explain.
	I'm not trying to ask a rhetorical question.
	How is that not fucked up?
	See, that goes to the same question.
	We don't like black girls.
	So why are they on the show?
	To make money off of them and exploit them.
	We don't need them to make money at all.
	Your clips with the black girls where there's controversy are considerably more views than your other clips.
	I call it Act.
	That's just test over.
	Yeah, it's live, man.
	It's a live show.
	If we do it live, they don't barge into your studio unannounced and then invite themselves in the podcast.
	You want to come on the show.
	Yeah.
	And you let them on.
	Black, white, Asian, come on the show.
	You want to come on this podcast.
	You hit up Andrew.
	If I didn't want you on, he wouldn't be on.
	I have, we have say.
	It's our podcast.
	It's your podcast.
	You could easily say, no, I don't want them on.
	I don't fuck with these hood girls, whatever, like that.
	So I just don't want to deal with you, period.
	I think it's a little bit trying to have your cake and eat it too.
	I get what I'm saying.
	I think it was a little, I think it's a little bit aggressive, the question, but I do understand that.
	Yeah, so we actually have a team that does it for us.
	So we don't actually deal with the girls.
	We actually have people that do it for us that cast their girls to come on the show.
	And then they come and we meet them and then we do the show.
	And everything is live.
	So there's not really, there's no, you know, embedded or edits or anything like that.
	I guess what he's saying is.
	So we have a team that does it for us.
	You could also, like, like in dating, you could also set a standard for the girls that you want to have on the pod.
	And I guess what you're saying is like, you're having these girls that act in a way that you don't like.
	Why continue to have them?
	You're going to make money.
	I think it's a reasonable thing.
	I just don't date these types of girls.
	But I'll have them on.
	Let's have some controversy.
	Let's make some money.
	Let me eat off of you.
	But I would never date you.
	And also, just real quick.
	And I think, sorry.
	I think it's kind of foul to say, oh, we don't choose those girls.
	You're their bosses.
	Whoever finds them, y'all are the boss.
	Every show, we give everyone a fair warning.
	Hey, guys, please be respectful on the show.
	One mic at a time.
	Black, white, agent doesn't matter.
	A fair, equal understanding.
	This is how the show runs.
	If they act out, that's not on us.
	And it is life.
	Our producer, finds the girls.
	Hey, black, white, agent, we don't care.
	You want to come on the show?
	Plug your stuff?
	We got you.
	Is your producer your boss or are you your producer's boss?
	Sorry?
	That's what I think is kind of.
	I'm saying that you're, at the end of the day, you're the boss of the show.
	You dictate everything that goes on.
	You're a fresh prince CEO, bro.
	You're not Fresh Prince W-2.
	So here's the thing.
	We actually, I know that, but my thing is like, if I want to bring girls on, why not?
	Because you don't, I would never date this person.
	I don't like people like that.
	My dating preference and coming on the show.
	What does that have to do?
	You don't think it's a little foul to exploit those people that you would never ever actually have to do?
	Explain if they want to come on the show.
	Yeah, a lot of the time they're going to be able to do it.
	Your opinion of Chris explaining them is your opinion.
	They have fun on the show.
	Cool.
	Another thing, too, I'll say is that, you know, we have our producer do it.
	So we delegate that authority to him because it's very time consuming to, you know, get the girls on, make sure they don't flake, book enough, organize their travel, talk to them on Instagram, whatever it may be.
	So we have people that do it for us.
	So when they show up, Chris, our producer, shout out to him.
	He basically tells them, hey, guys, this is how the show goes.
	He gives them all the rules, et cetera.
	And they're okay with it.
	And then we come on the show and then we'll have our discussions.
	And sometimes they get in their emotions from some of the things we say.
	They get mad.
	They might have a eruption, whatever, and then we tell them, hey, you got to go.
	But I will say this: we kick out a small minority of the women that actually come on.
	And minority is the key word there, I think.
	I mean, minority as in, well, minority book is in the volume of the girls.
	And we kick out, we've kicked out white girls, Spanish girls.
	Last week, we kicked out, I think, a Hispanic girl or a white girl.
	Like, it's not the, we only purposely try to kick out African-American women.
	It's not like that.
	We kick all races out if they act crazy.
	So that's what it comes down to.
	And women, by the way.
	Yeah.
	That's fine.
	I just think it sounds a bit right now like Jerry Springer is like, I don't book the guests.
	Yeah, but you know what the show is, bro.
	It's your show.
	There's a legit criticism.
	We trust Chris to do that for us.
	Yeah.
	Shout out to Chris.
	Dr. Phil, I think I've heard this criticism for him before, which is just like he Moonlights is this person that's trying to like help people who have mental illness and like who have these issues.
	But at the same time, he's like selling ads off of them and he's kind of like exploiting them, you know?
	So it's like, I get that he's looked at as heroic.
	It's like, oh, I'm going to tell this like naughty teenager.
	She better get her act together in front of her mom.
	And look, I did the right thing and the audience claps.
	But in reality, it's like you needed that naughty teenager.
	And you got a producer going, get me a naughty ass teenager so I can curse it type of thing.
	So I can see that criticism of you guys.
	That being said, I think you'd be looked at even more racist if you've never had a black girl on the podcast.
	I don't know if that's the rally.
	We're changing on the rally.
	I don't know.
	I mean, white girls and Spanish girls.
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	Half the time I walk in, I got to hide the hood when I walk in.
	Oh, wait, we got black girls on the show.
	All right, good, They won't know.
	But like, yeah, man, we bring all different types of girls on.
	Some act crazy, some don't, you know, from all different types of races.
	We've kicked every race off from Asian to white to black, whatever.
	It just so happens sometimes, you know, we've kicked some of the black girls out.
	They say, we're all star bitch, and they go crazy and those go viral.
	You know, it is what it is, but we can't control that, man.
	What's the idea?
	Okay, so here's a question for guys in your, in your situation, right?
	Because you guys have been getting so much attention online.
	Yeah.
	Crazy.
	And do you ever go, okay.
	Attention is the economy now, right?
	And that is, that is, that is very important.
	Do you ever go, okay, we have to monitor what type of attention we get?
	Like, would you also want to get some attention for when a kid literally was like, dude, I was going to kill myself before you guys started talking to me.
	And now I don't want to do that anymore.
	We get that love, but we don't share it.
	But that's the thing, right?
	It's like, I wonder if some of the stuff that you guys say that you're criticized for would be way more digestible.
	And I'm not saying that you should try to like monetize those experiences, but I wonder if people knew that there were people that were being helped, which you guys know because you guys get those personal DMs.
	So I got something for that.
	Yeah.
	So we have a call-in show on Fridays, right?
	Where we actually open up the phone lines and have people call in.
	And, you know, like a week ago, we had a guy calling, like, hey, man, I was really in a dark place.
	I was going to, you know, do X, Y, Z to myself.
	And you guys really brought me back.
	And, you know, he went and talked about it.
	And we interact with our audience.
	And, you know, we do.
	So on Mondays, we have a Money Monday.
	Wednesdays, we have a womanizer Wednesdays where we talk about dating.
	Mondays is where we talk about real estate investing, credit, making money, whatever may be entrepreneurship.
	You just ask for it.
	And then Fitness Fridays.
	Yeah, I know.
	And then gentlemen Wednesdays.
	It could be anything.
	How to get a wife Wednesday.
	Bitches up Wednesday.
	And then we also have a Fitness Friday as well.
	So like we do a lot of, you know, the stuff that goes viral, obviously, is the nighttime shows with the girls, Fresh and Fit After Hours.
	But our regular show, you know, we do the self-improvement stuff.
	And a lot of guys call in and tell their stories and everything.
	But, you know, of course, it's not going to go viral when a guy calls in and says, hey, man, you guys help me from her.
	So how do you guys balance that, right?
	Like, because my assumption is you want the show to be more than that.
	You want the show to be more than like the Jerry Springer, like the train wreck, because you're putting so much more time into the other things.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	You have a specific day, episode at least, dedicated to being in shape.
	So how do you balance it?
	And are you concerned about balancing it?
	Or are you in a growth period right now where you're like, listen, as long as people are watching, that's fine.
	Then we'll figure that out.
	So I think the audience kind of like dictates because we put out the content and they don't watch that as much per se.
	They watch the lane show of girls.
	However, they get a lot of value from it.
	So they'll tune in, get value, go make some money, whatever, go conquer the world.
	And like, okay, let's see the ratchet shit at nighttime.
	Yeah, and the other thing too is that, like, so we'll do the nighttime show, right?
	And that'll like get a lot of clicks because they'll be like, oh, wow, this is good stuff.
	And then a lot of them will say, oh, wait, they make other content.
	And then they'll come and they'll watch our Money Mondays.
	They'll see when we bring Grant Cardone on or Robert Kiyosaki when we talk about real estate because I'm big in real estate investing myself.
	So they'll see that like, okay, wow, you guys offer a lot more value.
	So they might come for the girls, but stay for the content.
	And if we get them like that, awesome, because now they can self-improve and watch the other more, you know, more meaningful self-improvement stuff.
	But the nighttime stuff, even though people say it's Jerry Springer and all that other stuff, there are a lot of good lessons in it.
	You know, we have debates about, you know, intersexual dynamics, male versus female, you know, dating, et cetera.
Seeing Real Tinder Statistics 00:04:43
	And guys get to see kind of real time how a lot of women think because even though we say, you know, not all girls are the same or whatever, even though the, how do I say this, the hardware might be different, a lot of the software is the same.
	And, you know, women from the West in general have a certain way of thinking when it comes to how they deal with men, et cetera.
	And a lot of guys are able to see that real time in 1080p, you know, live.
	And I think it's a lot of guys learn from that about how women operate.
	I think there's definitely a lot to learn, but I do think that there are different.
	I think there is more diversity in women's intentions than you guys are demonstrating.
	I mean, we can agree.
	I can disagree.
	We can answer that pushback.
	There's no question there are girls out here trying to dig gold, bro.
	There's no question.
	And there's no question there are girls who are predators out here.
	We know it's very popular.
	But I do think that there are plenty of women that literally have day jobs, want to have a family, have no interest going to a fucking nightclub after 25 years old.
	They want to sit home.
	They want to watch the fucking Salt Lake housewives and they actually watch it thinking those girls are idiots.
	Like, I think that this is probably the majority of chicks.
	Oh, of course, of course.
	And we're not saying they're, I want to make sure, and that's what I want to say.
	We're not saying they're predators.
	We're not saying they're predators.
	What I'm saying is that guys need to understand how women think and operate in modern day dating, is all I'm saying.
	Because most guys have no idea.
	No clue.
	They think women are sugar and spice and everything nice and she'll never do anything to me and she's not capable of that or whatever.
	And we just want guys to understand that she is capable of doing this to you.
	So operate currently.
	The stories that we hear, bro are heartbreaking.
	Like you guys have no idea what men go through on a daily basis.
	It's terrible.
	It's really bad.
	It's terrible.
	We've been men our lives.
	Yeah, we've been regular guys.
	We were regular at one point in our lives.
	I was fat and ugly.
	Some of us are more regular than others.
	I'm very regular.
	All right.
	Can I bring up Stats then for you guys to discuss?
	Because you are talking about modern dating and dating apps.
	So Hinge, the dating app, millions of folks.
	It's not like Raya where you have to be a member.
	It's every type of guy and girl.
	They revealed statistics.
	The top 1% of guys are swiped 16% of the time.
	That means that girls are going after that.
	The bottom 50% of guys are getting 4% of likes.
	So what is the answer to get the normal guy, everyday guy, back in the room where, yeah, you can build up confidence in a nice way and they can be in a bar and go the traditional route when most people are meeting this way or they're in college where you have time to meet someone.
	So these are the stats.
	These are the inverse statistics with bad bitches.
	What's up?
	Yeah, guys swipe on everyone.
	The women, the women, the top 1% of women, it's 11%.
	So in all the categories, it's men give women more of a chance and they're going after guys.
	We're looking after different things.
	We're looking for a guy's not, a guy's not swiping necessarily like, there's plenty of girls you'll swipe on.
	You, Dove, looking for a wife and being like, I wouldn't marry, but I forgot.
	So take away the numbers between girls and guys, but go to people deal with frustration.
	Dove has slept with the hottest women on the planet.
	Now, you might not look at him and be like, oh, God, this is the guy.
	This is the guy.
	Literally.
	I don't know.
	Unbelievable.
	Unbelievable.
	He gets fucked by dating apps because, man, you know what I mean?
	His advantage, his advantage is charisma.
	He's amazing at just talking and making those connections, making them feel really comfortable.
	And he's just a great guy.
	He's like an incredible social IQ.
	Literally incredible.
	Dating apps is just pictures.
	And it's a meat market.
	And I think that we're all a little bit shallow when we're on the dating app because that's all we have to go off of.
	So a guy like him kind of gets fucked with it.
	But in person, it's unbelievable.
	So I would tell all those guys that feel like they're getting fucked with it, work on that tongue because most people's tongues are trash now because they don't have to use it.
	They're just texting on this fucking app, trying to say something witty and then do it.
	Get in there.
	Talk to people.
	Andrew, here's our biggest problem.
	Those girls that go to work, watch the soap operas, hit the gym and go to bed, they're not going outside.
	Break into their home.
	Hold on.
	Break into the apps fresh.
	I got a mask.
	Meeting guys that live a certain way.
	So him, he would never even meet them.
	And I'll back them up.
	That's a problem.
	Since dating apps came out, going out where a guy like me, find the same guy now.
	There were girls that were excited to meet groups of guys.
	You can go and chat.
	You go out to go.
	That has gone down tremendously.
	And the girls, when they say, oh, I'm just here with my friend to have a girl's night, they're actually there for a girls' night now.
	It has changed.
	That's been nodding with us the entire time.
	We got one single guy in the room.
	And now it's like on Tinder.
	The women find like 90% of the guys unattractive on Tinder.
	So it's like, it's definitely skewed is what we're trying to say.
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	They're like, listen, this is what it is.
	I don't want it to come across like what you're saying is 100% wrong.
	I don't think that either.
	I don't think that.
	I think literally we're just trying to move the needle in one.
	I think we both think there's room for evolution in your philosophy.
	Exactly.
	So it's like, I think that we're just over here going like, yo, there's a lot of dope women out here.
	I've dated a lot of dope.
	Women that like, I just didn't really get along with, but they were dope.
	They weren't like golden predator chicks.
	And I know both of y'all have too.
	Here's a fix for it, right?
	Just because Drake fucked him, man.
	Hold on.
	Yo, just because Drake's still your girlfriend is trying to get his girlfriend.
	Come on.
	I got to buy a yacht.
	I got to compete with Drake.
	It's for me.
	What did he do to you?
	Who is this girl?
	Drake is awesome, by the way.
	No, no.
	But like, I got to say this.
	A guy's biggest fit for me.
	That's what she said.
	It's to become the best person possible for himself.
	So fitness, mindset, and money.
	I think we both agree that.
	At that point, he's seen by women as, you know what?
	He's an option.
	Before that, eh, I don't want to see him.
	Or I don't really think he's a good option for me.
	That's the biggest problem here.
	Guys are invisible.
	So black, white, Asian, doesn't matter.
	If you're not on a certain level of security for a girl, is she going to marry you?
	Probably not.
	Let's say she does marry you.
	Oh, you know what?
	This is boring.
	I'm gone.
	Divorce.
	Lost half your money.
	Is it really worth it?
	No.
	So become the best person you can be.
	Money, fitness, and finance.
	And then go from there and learn.
	I think we all agree with that.
	I think core values, we all agree on what is important and things you can affect.
	Like, we are lucky as dudes, bro.
	Like, we get to change that.
	Yeah.
	Like, girls that are born ugly, bro.
	Their life sucks.
	Bruh.
	Bruh.
	There's no fresh and fit for women.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	They're just like, sorry.
	Right?
	It's just it.
	Face and lift.
	That's shit.
	Real face.
	I guess there is plastic surgery in these certain things, but like we are malleable.
	Our value is malleable.
	We can go out there and we can get successful.
	We can go out there.
	We can get money.
	And we can literally work on being more charismatic.
	Literally listening.
	You know how many dudes just don't know how to listen?
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	I swear to God, like, if you get a girl to the point where like she's comfortable enough sharing with you, you don't have to impress her no more.
	Literally, just listen to what she has to say.
	There's so many dudes that are like constantly, oh yeah, we're here and I have this thing and I can't wait to go to St. Bart's and this and that guy.
	Shut the fuck up.
	Yeah.
	If you put that energy out, it'll probably attract women that are into that.
	That's another thing.
	Boasting.
	If you think your value is all this money that you got, you're going to, what is it called?
	Patrice O'Neal.
	Like, you hunt what you can catch.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	We tell guys not to leave with the wallet.
	It hurts you a lot of the time.
	Active listening.
	You got to listen first.
	Yeah.
	And then receive after.
	But just to add to this point as well, like, I'm not the best looking dude, right?
	But once again, charisma in person, having a great experience, can win the day over.
	So, like, I don't judge about looks either because looks, bro, real talk.
	Once you got a girl in front of you, charisma, a great time, you can take the lead from there.
	So 100%.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we just honestly, and that's why we tell guys, you know, we have a Money Monday, a Womanizer Wednesday, Fitness Friday.
	The reason why we do that is because we tell guys you got to become the best version of yourself.
	And then the byproduct of that is the girls will like you.
	And Womanizer Wednesday is a part of that growth, huh?
	Yes, it is.
	We talk about on there.
	We talk about like, actually, this viral episode that you guys were, the clip is from, was from a Womanizer Wednesday where we talked about, you know, using dating apps to get girls, et cetera.
	And we broke down, you know, plenty of fish hinge, all these other sites.
	But yeah, that's that's yeah, Womanizing Wednesday is like typically dating related.
	I think you guys are genuinely like nice dudes that got fucked over by like bad women, like in your life, maybe that like came in and like finessed you and like fucked you guys over.
	And my fear would be that your audience of people that really trust you and look up to you would then learn you're teaching them how to go down the path to be defensive and scared of women.
	And then they could potentially finesse and fuck over other women that were innocent, had nothing to do with it.
	And then they become the women that you're talking about.
	Yep.
	Okay, just to correct me.
	And I don't know if that's the case.
	I don't really consume a ton of your content, but it might be my fear.
	And I guess hopefully in the future, if that's the case, we're not scared.
	We haven't been hurt.
	It's more like we understand the dangers of dating women and we want guys to know: look, just look for these things so you don't get finesse.
	That's the biggest thing.
	Because if you don't know, going into it, you're going to be like, yeah, she loves me for me.
	Probably not.
	So it's like, okay, understand who you are.
	What you want?
	Why wouldn't she love you for you?
	You're great, bro.
	Andrew.
	Hey, bro.
	Stop the cave, bro.
	You know what it sounds like when she loves you for Andrew?
	What's wrong with you, bro?
	Andrew, you know what he's not like?
	Somebody who's been hurt by women.
	Tell me what happened, bro.
	Never.
	What'd Drake do to this girl?
	Never.
	You never been hurt by a woman.
	You telling me your girl didn't come back with hot sauce and a pussy.
	You telling me?
	Are you telling me?
	OVO.
	I don't know what's going on here, bro.
	No, come on, bro.
	What happened?
	Here's the thing.
	In this world, it's either pimp or be pimped.
	So if we can arm guys with a lot of people.
	No, what is that, dog?
	That's what I'm saying.
	Your views are very black and white.
	You're too old to be thinking like this.
	Hey, man.
	Well, we can have different worldviews, but if we look at it, it's pimp or be pimp, baby.
	So I'd rather equip the guys with the tools so they can go out there and navigate the dating marketplace in a way.
	You don't think that's a dangerous mindset for the world to have?
	Did I pimp my wife?
	Is that what happened?
	Yeah.
	Or is she pimping you?
	Same with all of us.
	Like, not for real.
	Like, what if we're also telling you that that's not the experience?
	And then maybe there's experiences you've had and being in a fucked up dating scene like Miami, right?
	And we know it could get wild, especially if you're going to like these types of parties.
	You got a lot of girls that are like literally paid to be there.
	And they might be paid to do other stuff as well.
	So if you're interacting with these girls, I can understand how you like grow a little bit of fucking resentment.
	You're like, where are the good girls at?
	There's no resentment, man.
	It's just awareness.
	And I know it might come off that way, but it's just merely just being aware of what's going on, adapting to the situation and making the best move that's going to not put you in a compromising position.
	Because we've heard so many terrible stories from guys, guys making mistakes, et cetera, with women that it's come back and really bit them in the ass.
	So we just want guys to maneuver it in a way where...
	I think that that's, I think that's altruistic of you.
	Yeah.
	Like, I think I really do.
	Like, you're like, I want you to be safe.
	I want you to be protected.
	Like, I'm going shark diving.
	You're like, bro, can I give you this fucking metal suit that you put on?
	So just in case the shark does bite you, you want, you're looking out.
	Yeah.
	You're actually looking out for these people.
	You care.
	My feeling is that you have a little bit skewed version if you think it's pimp or be pimped.
	It's like, bro, you don't, like, how can you develop a loving relationship with somebody if you're constantly going, am I pimping or is she pimping?
	That's dangerous.
	Here's the thing.
	One person in the relationship, whoever cares less, has the leverage.
	And we want the guy to always care less.
	We want the man to always have the leverage.
	Childish as fuck.
	And you guys might not like hearing that.
	Childish, but we truly feel.
	I'm not.
	I'm not.
	These are new beliefs, bro.
	You're not telling me some shit none of us have ever heard.
	We all heard this from fraternity guys in college.
	I'm saying there's room in your, and I don't have a problem with a lot of the stuff you say.
	I just think there is room for growth.
	And you guys' refusal to acknowledge it almost kind of proves it to me, confirms it to me that you guys are not willing to grow right now.
	And that's fine.
	That's some ego shit.
	We're just saying there's room for growth.
	A very mature answer is, yeah, probably.
	If you say that to me, I'm sure I got room to grow.
	Y'all are literally saying, nah, we know how it is.
	We're in Miami.
	I bet if you go to Idaho and see only two bitches are getting flown out of Idaho, you'd be like, oh, the world isn't like this.
	We're just asking you to look and take an assessment of what you say and what you spread and be like, okay, maybe there's room for growth.
	And y'all aren't even willing to do that for an hour and a half.
	I mean, I truly feel that's your opinion.
	Yeah, that's your opinion.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I don't care.
	You guys have a platform.
	You say whatever.
	With men and women, one party always cares less than the other does.
	And whoever cares less has a leverage.
	And we want the guys to always be in a position where the woman is constantly chasing them, not the other way around.
	I think you're saying, like, the man has to be in a leadership role where the woman feels, how do I say, that she got the prize.
	The man has to be in that position, not the woman.
	I think we both want to feel like we got the prize, though.
	And I think that's the best relationship.
	It's like the best sale or the best business move is like you do something where you feel like you got the best and they feel like they got the best, right?
	Like that's the perfect deal that's made.
	It's perfect, but it isn't popping up like that all the time.
	I'm not saying it does.
	And I think that like to act as if one person doesn't like the other person more for us to sit here and be like, no, every relationship, they love that.
	I think that love can be different.
	And I don't think that there's a scale that you can judge it.
	But I think that we would get pushback to be like, no, every single one is perfectly equal.
	I think that'd be.
	Our biggest thing is we want the woman chasing the man's validation, never the other way around.
	For the relationship to be in the best position, because men lead, women follow.
	It's always been that way.
	And we want the guys to have the leverage in the relationship because if you do, your girl's always going to feel like she has the best option that she can get.
	That's just the way women make select.
	They want the best and the brightest.
	And for her to feel that way, she needs to constantly be chasing for your validation.
	And I know you guys might not necessarily agree with that.
	That's fine.
	But it's basic human psychology.
	That's how you get cheated on, bro.
	That's how you get cheated on because you got a girl chasing validation she's never getting.
	And all of a sudden, a dude pulls up on her and he's like, man, you're amazing.
	I want to give you all the validation.
	I'm not saying ignore your girl, but what I am saying is that she needs to understand that you are the prize.
	And you can also think she is one.
	Yes.
	She doesn't have to know it, though.
	She don't got to know it.
	Can you clarify that maybe that's more so in the beginning of a relationship to get to that point and like develop something that's a little real in the beginning?
	It is a hunt and it is.
	Have you guys had long-term relationships?
	Yeah, but we, so what?
	How long?
	Okay, go ahead.
	So, so hold on, just to answer that question as well, because like at the very beginning stage, you're trying to figure out who she is and she wants to figure out who you are.
	So you can't really be like simping over her too much because then it's like, okay, this guy is probably going to be like pounding to me at all times.
	You got to like understand who she really is.
	Once you know that, cool.
	Now the dynamic changes in that aspect.
	But you can't just jump into it like, oh, yeah, just like love me.
	Like, no, you got to say that.
	I couldn't imagine in the beginning, but then once the relationship is there, there is that.
	That's not a problem.
	You can't be chasing real connections.
	You guys have to build something together.
	You build a connection, but like for me personally, the way I do it is I just have other girls.
	Like whoever I'm dealing with, she knows I'm not going to be monogamous.
	That's hell.
	And actually, what that does is it keeps her on her toes.
	Women always get in line when they know you have other women in line.
	It's just the way it is.
	You know what I'm saying?
	When you have other girls, women are in their best behavior.
	And I know that's an unflattering thing to say on the podcast.
	It's not necessarily wrong.
	It's not necessarily wrong, especially if you're being transparent.
	Like, if she's building towards something, I think she'd probably agree.
	I assume most girls, when they start dating a guy, especially a guy with value, they're like, there are other girls that are probably interested in this guy and maybe he's dating.
	I know it comes across harsh when you say it, but I don't think it's actually unrealistic.
	I think it is actually the reality.
	But eventually, if you want to have a relationship, you're going to have to put your focus and time and love into that one person.
	And if you keep playing like the cat and mouse game, it's going to get exhausting for her, man.
	And she's going to go to security.
	We all go to emotional security.
	And if you're not her emotional security, it's going to be something else.
	And I think that's why those pickup artists' dudes flamed out is because they realized the skills that they used to get the girls were not the skills that they used to maintain.
	Shallow.
	So it's like, what's that?
	It's shallow.
	It's shallow, right?
	And it's just exhausting.
	And you're actually not building something real.
	And you're keeping this person in a state of perpetual fear.
	And you're doing that because you're in a state of perpetual fear.
	So nobody's comfortable.
	Eventually, you both need to let the guard down and be like, listen, are we in this together?
	Are we going to build this?
	And we can argue about human nature all we want, but like marriage is an institution, be it religion or not, that has existed for a long time.
	I'm literally rolling the dice on it.
	I'm gambling that I can build something with it.
	I saw my parents do it.
	You know what I mean?
	I've seen other people do it and I've seen it flounder as well.
	But to act like it's not a possibility.
	Yeah, nobody's marriage is invincible.
	None of us are saying our marriage is invincible.
	And we're all going to fuck up and we're all going to say things that are disrespectful and we're all going to be treated in a certain way by our partners that we can't fathom they would actually do.
	But ideally, you're committed enough to build back from that and restore that thing that you guys are building together.
	That's my only fear.
	My fear is that if you keep on playing this game where you're like, I got to keep her a little bit away.
	I can't keep her comfortable.
	I can't let her feel secure.
	You're not going to actually feel that love from a woman when she is secure.
	And that's a powerful thing, man.
	When a woman feels secure, bro.
	I mean, I mean, I respectfully disagree a little bit.
	I'm going to say, like, you know, I always say you don't want a girl comfortable.
	You know, future, bitches don't get too comfortable.
	Like, comfortable, you know, because when they're uncomfortable, but here's the thing: seven baby moms.
	I'm just using that as a quote.
	But in general, when a girl isn't necessarily, when she doesn't know where she stands with you, and there might be other women, you know, in the wing, that's when they're on their best behavior, man.
	It is what it is.
	You think that's sustainable?
	Look, early on, playing games, I get, dude, none of us are.
	No, no, no, you're being upfront.
	You let her know.
	We get it.
	I don't know.
	Early on, yeah, whatever.
	Being up front, talking to other women so you don't get too emotionally invested because you might get hurt early on because you're both scared.
	That makes absolute sense.
	If you're telling me, if you're going to get on this podcast and say, I'm going to get married and my wife is going to know it's an open relationship, I have a hard time believing this.
	And it's open for me.
	You are going to be loyal to me.
	I'm going to do that.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	We know that millionaires are like that, though, in the world.
	I grew up Muslim, so many.
	There's many millionaires.
	Oh, you got the religious loophole where we just get, you know, God is on our side.
	You say you grew up Muslim or you are Muslim?
	I am.
	But yeah.
	Okay.
	Practicing.
	Yeah.
	Well, no, I need to get back on it.
	You know, I'm not going to be able to do it.
	Practice when it's convenient.
	I got you.
	Yeah.
	So I'm Muslim for multiple wives.
	Vali banking it, bro.
	Let me get back on it.
	I'm going to hit the mosque.
	But no, just in general, like I've always had that worldview that a man can have multiple women, but not the other way around.
	Men and women are not the same whatsoever.
	I don't think we would disagree with you on that.
	Like, I don't think women want that.
	I don't think there's women out there like, I definitely want multiple men.
	I agree with you on that.
	And I think there's probably guys for sure we'd be like, man, it'd be nice to have multiple women.
	But can I build the thing that I want with multiple women?
	I don't know.
	I don't think so.
	I think you can.
	It's just hard.
	Because you're going to be managing multiple women.
	You're going to be managing, you know, so it takes a very strong leader to be able to do it.
	But you could definitely do it.
	But see, this is what I'm telling, guys.
	Hey, here's your tools.
	You choose your choice.
	It's your life to live.
	Marriage, no marriage, multiple women, your choice to make.
	That's it.
	Guys, thank you for coming up here.
	I thought we were going to convert you.
	I thought we were going to convert you into.
	I spent honesty, man.
	Yeah, I appreciate it.
	I do appreciate you guys coming up here.
	And I'm curious about your journey.
	City Boys for Life.
	We'll see.
	I don't know.
	I think a girl is going to get you on.
	I think you're going to get locked down.
	And I hope that.
	I really hope that you allow that to happen.
	And I hope if you find a girl and that she means that much to you guys.
	In Columbia.
	They'll do it.
	And it might be in Columbia.
	It might be.
	We'll find her in Miami.
	But I'm going to get three more.
	There's more for two.
	There you go.
	I just hope you guys grow up a little bit because the way you do view the world is very immature.
	But that's your opinion.
	It comes with life.
	It is my opinion.
	But I just hope you guys grow up.
	Because it's like part of the messages that you are teaching your listeners, it's not good for society.
	Part of it's really valuable.
	Some not all of it.
	Yeah.
	Yes, I agree with that.
	I agree.
	Yeah.
	I agree with that.
	I mean, we can agree to this girl, which is totally cool.
	No problem.
	You know, I mean, if you guys have your hands on her content being immature.
	You guys have to get married.
	And that is the end-all deal.
	What did she do to you?
	I knew it.
	I knew I was married.
	I knew Wonnie was married.
	And he was never hurt.
	And you never in a long-term relationship?
	Like with marriage?
	No, no, just like a long, like a multiple-year girlfriend type of relationship.
	You know, with other girls.
	Oh, but it was never exclusive.
	No, That's stupid.
	Exclusivity.
	It might be stupid, but if you haven't experienced it, then it's hard for you to say if it's good or bad, right?
	I genuinely believe as a man, if you get to a certain point, it is not in your best interest to be monogamous.
	But you've never tried it and it's never worked for you.
	So it's hard.
	No, I've done it with like one girl.
	I'm like, this is not fun.
	I'm just like.
	But maybe she wasn't the right one.
	Nah, man.
	Because I've always said like one woman can never sexually satisfy you.
	Like a man's, like, a man's sexual thirst is like almost insatiable.
	Like, he's going to want variety.
	Like, guys, wait until you're late 30s.
	You know what I'm saying?
	They want variety.
	So it's like, she could handle your emotional needs as a woman, but by herself sexually, no, you're always going to want other women.
	Men like different colors and flavors.
	It is what it is.
	What you guys are talking about is evolutionary.
	None of us can deny that evolution is hardwired in every species, that the man is sperm is very cheap genetically.
	So you try to fuck everything and procreate as much as possible.
	It's hardwired in us.
	What you are also overlooking is that in humanity, we decided to stay monogamous for reproductive success.
	Because at the end of the day, we need that kid to stay alive.
	And the best way for us to do that is monogamous.
	So if you're going to talk about evolution, monogamy is also evolutionary.
	That is true.
	Yeah, but polygamy works as well.
	It works great for the family because you have multiple women and then they all care for children collectively.
	If it worked, every culture would adopt it.
	Most men.
	There's a reason why they don't.
	Because it doesn't work.
	No, no.
	They don't have to value a means to be able to.
	For sure.
	For sure.
	I guess what I'm trying to say is that it makes sense what you're teaching because we teach what we know and we teach what we're experts in.
	And you're an expert in this lifestyle, whether that's by choice, which you say, or by just not having the experience where you've been in a relationship that's like a loving, beautiful relationship that you want to build, right?
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	You're teaching the thing you know.
	But you do acknowledge that there are other things out there.
	You at least know it.
	Yeah, yeah, for sure.
	And they could also be quote unquote right and possible and that there's a way to teach that as well.
	And all I would say is like, maybe keep your mind open because you might find that.
	And then you might want to share that with all the people who really fuck with you and they like what you teach.
	I know a lot of guys like, you know, would be happy with a monogamous relationship and stuff like that.
	And they want one girlfriend.
	But to be honest, man, if you gave the guy the choice, hey, listen, man, you can have four girls, you know, and hook up with them or you can have one girl.
	Most guys are going to want the four girls.
	It's just that the politically correct thing to say is marriage, dog.
	Fucking marriage.
	There's one girl.
	Four wives is crazy.
	That's why Muslims are suicide bombers.
	Extremists.
	I want out.
	Extremists.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	We're doing the thing with the jokes.
	Remember, yeah, No, I hear what you're saying.
	I think what happens a lot of times in relationships is you have to make sacrifices for the things that make you happy.
	And if that one person, being with that one person, makes you so happy in these aspects of your life, you're maybe willing to sacrifice this other thing, right?
	And I think as you guys are going to get more famous and it's going to get even easier to get pussy, and you'll start to realize when it's not something that you're conquesting, when you become the conquested, that pussy shit means nothing.
	Actually, of course, I'm just saying, like, you guys aren't there yet.
	When you're there, when you start being the one that's hunted, when they start kicking, you know what I mean?
	Like, when they start putting the knowledge, when they put the knowledge in your belt, all of a sudden, you're like, oh, shit, I'm the gazelle.
	Bro, you know what I'm saying?
	You need to be defensive then.
	It was easier before this.
	Yeah, we got more girls about that.
	That's because all your clips of you is you yelling at 10 women, bro.
	When the shit when y'all start popping up, dude, girls are coming, but it's like, I don't want, like, for example, like, they're coming, but I don't want you.
	It's like before I was hunting what I wanted.
	I was like, stay away.
	I don't want you.
	That's the problem.
	So it's like, I got to pick and choose and be careful.
	What do you want?
	We got way more girls before the show, man.
	Way more.
	Way more.
	Because we had more time.
	We do two shows a day.
	They're live.
	We're dealing with a bunch of crazy.
	Girls find our social media.
	You guys are those massages for the podcast.
	Like, oh, okay, here we go.
	All right, cool.
	Move on to the next one.
	So it's like, we actually get less girls now because of, you know, the fame, so to speak, if you're going to call it family.
	It's hard before.
	No.
	You know, it is what it is.
	I'm checking in on y'all in three years.
	Let's do it.
	I have three wives.
	Kazi, one last question before we go.
	Being black, being a little bit self-loathing, is that why you wanted to enter law enforcement?
	Oh, man.
	Here we go.
	It just adds up too well.
	That didn't mean I'm going to do the math.
	No, I was federal, man.
	So I was actually doing like a lot of, you know, Mexican cartel investigations.
	All right.
	Got you there, man.
	No, no.
	Keep the Browns out of the country.
	We got to do it.
	We got to do what we got to do, man.
	All right, man.
	Thank you guys very much for coming to our conversation.
	We disagreed.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, of course.
	No, no, no.
	But this is good, man.
	And I'm keeping tabs on y'all, man.
	I mean that.
	Three years.
	You got to come on our show with the chicks now.
	Yeah, bro.
	Not with the girls, man.
	It's too much.
	I'll just come.
	I'll come and just talk.
	We can talk about these type of gender dynamics.
	I love talking about all fucking day long.
	I think it's a lot of fun.
	But with the girl, it's too much.
	It's too much.
	And shout out to academics, man, for connecting us too.
	Of course, man.
	Yeah.
	Shout out to academics.
	But for real, I'm keeping tabs on y'all.
	And I mean this, man.
	And yeah.
	And don't get canceled.
	And don't not grow just because you know I'm watching and other people are watching and they don't want to see it.
	If it happens, let that shit happen.
	Take your lickings and enjoy yourself.
	You're going to see me with four girls on the pod.
	These are my wives now.
	You know, you've literally said you're not going to get off.
	If you do it, God bless you, bro.
	God bless it.
	All right, man.
	Fresh and fit.
	Check them out.

Chapters

00:00:05 Why We Hate Black Women
00:14:26 Painting a Racist Narrative
00:30:36 The Leverage Gap Explained
00:36:33 Average Women Want Above Average Men
00:47:49 Exploiting Girls for Views
00:53:01 Selling Ads on Naughty Teens
00:56:23 Seeing Real Tinder Statistics
01:01:06 Attracting Women With Your Energy
01:03:07 Why Monogamy Fails High Earners
01:18:26 Evolutionary Truths About Marriage