Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh dissect Joe Rogan's potential lawsuit against CNN over a "horse dewormer" controversy, analyzing whether media outlets like Rolling Stone committed libel by omitting human dosage distinctions. They critique the broader news landscape, noting how brands prioritize sensationalism and audience validation over fact-checking, citing uncorrected stories about ivermectin overdoses and military dogs. Ultimately, the hosts conclude that modern journalism functions less as impartial reporting and more as entertainment designed to confirm political biases, fostering a culture where emotional satisfaction outweighs factual accuracy. [Automatically generated summary]
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Defending Absurd Legal Cases00:06:08
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Rogan is doing a podcast with Tom Segura.
He's doing his podcast with Tom Segura.
And Segura opens it in a funny way.
And then Rogan gets to kind of sound off on all the people that have been very critical of the drugs that he took to keep himself alive.
While he had COVID, while he had COVID.
Run that clip, Al.
The Joe Rogan experience.
Well, well, well.
This is an old horseworm Rogan.
I'm glad you're well, man.
Bro, do I have to sue CNN?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Do you?
They're making shit up.
They keep saying I'm taking horse dewormer.
I literally got it from a doctor.
It's an American company.
They won the Nobel Prize in 2015 for use in human beings.
Yeah.
And CNN is saying I'm taking horse dewormer.
Yeah.
They must know that that's a lie.
There's a lot of people saying it.
Right, but a lot of people can say it.
Okay.
Like the internet says it who cares.
Sure.
But CNN is saying it.
Jim Acosta.
I meant like USA Today, a few other plagiarism.
Yeah.
And they're talking about ivermectin.
So what, because I don't know, I just saw so much news about you.
I mean, I would talk to you and check on you and see if you're all right.
And you're like, you threw the kitchen sink at it, you said, which was stuff that, you know, you took IV drips and was it mono, what?
Monoclonal antibodies.
And that, what is monoclonal antibodies?
The shit they gave Trump.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Do you think you should sue CNN?
It would be fun.
It would be fun.
And they did, I guess that's slander, huh?
Or libel if it's written?
Yeah.
Yeah, I'd be curious to know what the legal precedent is because like it's one of those things where like technically like they didn't clarify that he was taking the one for human beings.
I mean, but that should be understood, right?
Yeah, but in the legal sense.
So that's what I'm wondering.
I wonder, I don't, I doubt that there's a legal case.
I'm almost like a legal case.
But I understand what he's saying.
And basically, just to clarify for everybody out there, is that ivermectin is also prescribed for human beings, right?
And they won a Nobel Peace Prize for it.
Now, ivermectin is, in much greater quantities, a horse dewormer, right?
So when you take it as a human, you take much smaller quantity.
But if you hate Joe Rogan and you don't like his stance on the vaccine, you don't like his politics, of course you're going to use every opportunity to make it look like he takes fucking horse pills, right?
So CNN posting it, other places.
I think Jamie was saying like USA Today was posting it, these types of places.
It is kind of crazy that they would just run with that because you know that they're politically aligned with the opposition of Joe Rogan.
So you know that they're doing it to slander him, but they found a nice little caveat where they're allowed to do that.
They're not even just politically aligned.
He threatens their kind of existence a little bit, which is this whole alternate news source that people go to.
Podcasts in general have become like this third-party news source that a lot of people get their news from.
And we're not all getting it from NPR or the fucking daily that Alex listens to.
So they're thinking this, we got to get this guy out of it.
He comes off the daily, I can tell.
No, I still do.
Nah.
You used to come through with facts, bro, every single day.
You got no facts.
You had information about it.
I usually have to catch up towards the end of the week.
I'm not listening now.
You're listening to two week old news.
We pulled out of Afghanistan?
I wish he talked about this on the podcast today.
That's crazy.
Nah, but he used to come in ready, bro.
He was listening to his little fucking daily come through.
Yeah, and then I would get too much criticism for being liberal.
So chill down.
Still do it.
You're like, government, look at my underwear.
Nah, but I chill on it a little bit.
Not as much.
I got to give him some doses.
Like Ivermectin.
Give it in doses.
Yo, I just think it's like, let's just be honest with what it is.
That'd be really nice.
It'd be really nice if a newspaper just came out.
We're like, we don't like this guy.
Yeah.
So we're going to bash him.
And every opportunity we have, we're going to bash him, right?
You're like a magician, dude.
You can't reveal that it's all fucking nothing.
But it's so close.
Like, it's all so close.
I feel like everybody's revealed it except them.
It's like everybody, it's what is it?
The Emperor's New Clothes.
It's like everybody knows that they're naked, but they refuse to acknowledge that they're naked.
Fox News, CNN, all of them.
Like, we know your political leaning.
Right.
Stop saying we're the truth.
Yes.
Say we're what makes you feel good.
This is right-wing candy, left-wing canyon.
You need some left-wing candy?
Come to us because we're going to give you the left-wing feel-good story every time.
I give credit to MSNBC and Fox News.
I don't think they say they're impartial.
I don't think they say they're like Fox's slogan is the real news or the truth.
It's in the slogan, the place for the truth.
Just tell us what the fuck it is, and I'd be much happier because I'd go, okay, eight o'clock, I'm going to read what the left got to say.
Nine o'clock, I'm going to read what the right got to say.
Boom, I'm ready for my day.
Yeah, I'll make my own decision right here in the middle.
You don't have to be in the middle.
It's fucking hard.
We tried to do it.
It murdered us.
We did it for months, and it was so fucking difficult to do to thread that needle every single day.
I understand why both of them don't.
They're basically comics.
Comics just come through with the premise, right?
They're like, hey, why are dudes bad?
Yeah.
Boom, tell us.
And then other people go, why are women bad?
Boom, tell us.
Much easier.
It's a much easier way to make a living.
Way more entertaining.
It's way more entertaining to watch.
Yeah.
Watching objective shit is boring.
It's facts.
We're feelings.
We like feelings.
Dude, that's why, that's why, honestly, Fox News is so fucking entertaining because they will find a way to just defend anything.
Like they will, and somebody will come on that show and they will do it.
They will get someone.
It doesn't matter what the fuck it is.
They will get someone to come out there and be like, yep, totally understand why he had to shoot those people in the head.
Yeah, they're Americans, but they stayed in Afghanistan too long.
They'll just find a way to defend whatever the fuck it is.
And you're like, oh, how is he going to do it?
It feels like you're watching a comic.
Choosing Nicotine Products Wisely00:03:08
It really does.
And I just care less about the left-wing argument.
It's just not as interesting.
Just like I care less about the left-wing argument from a comic.
Like, if they're going to go up there and be like, we need equal rights for everybody.
Easy.
Okay, yeah, sure.
Great.
Obviously.
Jump off the high dive.
Defend our rights.
Tell me why midges shouldn't get library cards.
Make an argument that is so fucking absurd that I'm going to want to keep listening.
Yeah.
So of course the right-wing media is going to run the internet.
It's just way more digestible.
It's fun.
It's sweet.
It's candy.
Even if you don't agree with it.
I wonder how many people just watch it.
Like, let me see what these crazy motherfuckers say.
I really wonder.
Of course, the left-wing media shit is dying, right?
Because you don't have Trump to push back against.
And everything that you're saying.
Because Joe Rogan is your Trump, you're reaching.
That's right.
They're trying to make Joe Drummond.
Joe Rogan is your Trump.
You're reaching.
And I was thinking about how you don't get sued.
I guarantee you they cleared that headline with legal legal department was.
Can we say this?
It is technically a drug that gets used on horses sometimes.
Yeah.
So we have.
It's so funny to see like the grifters who just made all their money and they got all their clicks off of Trump just scramble for their new bad guy.
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Leaving Dogs In Kennels00:08:49
I mean, the right does it too, so much.
Of course, they all do it.
They'll be like, AOC's quiet, and they're like, Yelan Omar, do something.
Bury your brother.
Critical research.
Critical.
Exactly.
The right does it all the fucking time.
And you see right through it.
Now, it's just really fun to see them argue the wildest shit.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
You see a YouTube clip and it's like Tucker Carlson sitting there and he's like, why the immigrants are responsible for fentanyl?
And you're like, all right, I'm going to watch it.
I don't agree.
I don't want to see him get shit.
But this guy's going for it.
I want to see him get there.
This is a crazy sound.
Same reason you watch comedy.
Yeah.
It's like, what is it?
What is it?
Chris Rock's whole bit.
You know, we got to get rid of guns.
No, we got to know.
We got to make bullets expensive.
You're like, okay, I had a decent idea.
I like it.
Where we go with this.
Where we going?
The more salacious the premise, the more interesting it's going to be.
Chris Rock defended the fucking Columbine shooters, I think, or something like that.
That's three on three and a half.
It is.
No, that's free for basketball.
We could watch that.
So maybe, maybe it's just more interesting to watch, even though it's not there.
But yeah, you're right.
The fucking right griffs, the left griffs, and they fall apart when they don't have someone to push back against.
Yeah.
And it's so true.
And everybody has to be a threat to your fucking existence.
Everybody.
AOC is a threat to freedom.
Donald Trump is a threat to freedom.
This country can't survive without they vilify these people.
And now when you're reaching at Joe Rogan, like he's a threat to fucking the nation, it's just the craziest shit.
Yeah, the guy literally just brings on people who are experts in their field and goes, How do you feel about this?
Yeah.
They say it.
He has an interesting discussion.
Ask the questions that we would ask because we're not fucking scientists that are dissecting ivermectin every single day.
Does it kill me?
Is it good for me?
Can it help me if I have bad COVID?
You just ask these questions.
And then all of a sudden, somehow he's some like villain.
Go.
Also, he said by the third day, he felt almost completely fine.
So something he took work.
Give me that shit.
None of us felt better with COVID after three days.
Said, I was on a drip for three straight fucking days.
I was in a goddamn hospital.
Mark got it twice.
Yeah, allegedly.
I was depressed in the pool house.
Really, though.
Dude, can those things go together?
Like, what a bougie bitch this guy is, right?
I was depressed in the poolhouse.
Sounds like a Drake lyric, dude.
Tracks.
Never call me.
The boathouse.
Certified number.
Shitty Wi-Fi.
Yeah.
And you saw the Rolling Stone retracted their article about the Ivermectin thing.
Dude.
What did they say?
How is there no punishment for this?
Yeah.
Go on.
Yeah.
So basically, they publish a story suggesting that at a hospital in Oklahoma, they talked to a doctor who was allegedly working there, and he told them that they were refusing gunshot victims because they had so many people that were overdosing on horse strength ivermectin.
And then it got published by the Rolling Stone and then hundreds of other news outlets, like both, like just all over.
And then they ended up finding out that that doctor hasn't worked there in a few months.
But no one did the due diligence.
What the fuck is journalism, dog?
I actually don't.
Yeah, and I don't.
Sluts.
They're only fans.
They're only fans for like COVID news.
That's all Rolling Stars.
The only fans for facts.
The only fans for facts, but it's not even facts.
Fox loses all of them.
They're like, what's the most salacious story?
Where's the candy?
Where are the sweets?
How do I get the sweets?
They're giving you titties of facts.
That's it.
And it's one thing when you're fake on like fucking Instagram and you're like, hey, I'm doing my news thing.
Here's my opinion on this.
Or here's what I think of this.
You're an established news brand.
And you're saying you're the truth.
And on top of that, you're hiding behind your brand.
Yeah.
So you're not like a person putting your neck out as an independent journalist being like, yo, here's what I think this is.
You're just like a faceless entity, this giant institution that's basically saying, like, here's information.
And they do nothing to correct the misinformation.
They put the header saying like, technically, this is.
But they've done the comparison tweets.
Like the tweet that says that the hospital is turning away gunshot patients for people that are ODing on ivermectin gets 10,000 retweets.
The header that says they fucked up the story gets 20.
Max.
So you're not really doing the due diligence.
And here's the thing.
They can't because their business is run by interest and retweets.
Nobody's retweeting that the story was fake.
You're retweeting that the story confirms your beliefs, which are ivermectin people taking that to be good and beat COVID?
Bad.
Yeah.
Right?
But they are eroding their own trust slowly and they can't help it.
You have to do it.
Real quick on that.
It makes me feel like people, exactly.
It makes me feel like people don't care about trust.
I cared about, I care about trust.
I used to think that's what it was.
Like, I can trust that this place is going to give me the truth.
Right.
But I think people just care about feeling good.
Right.
So it's just like, how can you confirm my feelings?
You don't need to be the most trusted news source.
You need to be the most trusted source that's going to confirm my feelings.
Is Joe Rogan a bad guy?
Who's going to tell me he's bad today?
Yes, I'll go to you.
And I guess calling, because I was thinking, the term news inherently, it should be truth.
But I think now we don't even care.
The news, news is just something to echo what we like, echo what we feel.
And the same thing happened on the right side with the dogs in Afghanistan.
Do you remember this?
No, tell me.
Basically, there were all these dog kennels.
Oh, I saw this.
It fucked me up this picture.
It's the same, it's the same exact thing.
Such a right-wing news.
This is great.
Yeah, so basically, there's all these dogs.
They're military canine animals that are all in these different kennels sitting in like what looks like an airport hanger.
And there's probably like 10 kennels all like kind of stacked on each other.
And then the picture got posted on the internet.
And then the title that came with it is U.S. Troops and Joe Biden are leaving these dogs to die in the kennels at the hands of the Taliban.
Yeah.
I got sent that by right-wing friends.
Fucking frauds, dude.
And if you do have a dog, you care about dogs, right?
You're like, how the fuck could this animal do?
Dude, it's the most worst thing ever.
Like it kills you in a way that like no other crime does.
It's like you're going to leave a dog to die, starve in a cage.
It's like the most inhumane thing you could even think.
And then Pentagon came out and they were like, yeah, this isn't true.
This is an erroneous report.
Like we're not going to just leave dogs in a kennel.
Like we would euthanize them or whatever.
But they're like, we're not just going to leave them there to starve.
Wait, did they kill him?
No, no, no.
No, they said they took him back.
But they did take him back.
They were just like, it makes no sense.
So they didn't even fact check the story.
That's just the thing is, it's a perfect example.
It's like a girl taking a picture where she looks skinnier and her tits look fatter than they actually really do.
She's like, oh, this is going on a Gramp.
Oh, you mean like wall pictures?
Every picture?
Yeah, exactly.
And it's like, that's what Fox is.
What did Fox post it?
Everyone posted it.
But yeah, every right-wing news source, right?
Yeah, all the right-wing grifters.
And I got sent that by a friend who's the number one don't trust the media.
They're all pushy, but he's a right-wing motherfucker going crazy.
And now this, it has to be a fact.
It's, of course, what I feel.
You're exactly because you're waking up going, why is Biden bad?
Yeah, and they're going to all these news sources going, please tell me why he's bad.
He doesn't like dogs.
He just left the dog's past.
Oh, he served in the military.
He's like, I can't believe I wake up in pain every day for this.
Like, this motherfucker was going off.
You know why?
You know why they ran with that story?
Why?
I bet you they ran with that story because the Cuomo leaving his dog at like the governor's palms.
Oh, Cruz, Cruz.
Cruz, right?
No, Cuomo left his dog at the governor's palace or whatever, apparently, allegedly.
I don't even know if that's true, but that story murdered because everybody was fuck Cuomo.
You had the left and the right saying, fuck Cuomo, right?
Because the left was all like, how dare he touch women?
And the right's like, he's a Democrat.
But both of them are like, we care about dogs, right?
That story murdered.
I guarantee there was somebody at the right-wing news sources who are just sitting there like, oh, we got a dog story?
You're running off.
Burn it.
Also, Cruz.
When Cruz ran to Cancun, he left his dog.
Everybody's like, yo, how the fuck you leave your dog?
Dog stories hit.
Bro, dog stories hit you differently, man.
That shit sucks.
Actually, the dog stories might be the stories that actually bring us together.
Because they're the most important thing.
Everybody cares about a fucking dog.
They're fucking innocent and good.
Every human has done some shitty things.
A dog don't know no better.
He gets a shit on a carpet.
Worst thing he does.
Yeah.
Worst thing he does.
Dove loves dogs, man.
That's his favorite thing.
Don't get me started.
When Dove's going out of New York stealing your dog.
This is a three times a week situation that we're in.
What's that?
Borrowing the dog.
You're going to borrow it three times a week?
Yeah.
Just make sure it shits so that I don't have to wake my girl up in the middle of the night.
The hardest part was making it not touch.
You need to give me the dog with Xanny's.
No, I'm going to give you the, what's it called, pay?
What?
The zap.
Oh, I think like Xanny is like the drug.
Yeah, yeah.
We need that dog Zap.
Just shoot it.
No, his girl actually, they had the little collar, and she's like, I don't think you want to walk around with that thing.
So the animal, they'll be judged.
I want to be judged.
Like Charlamagne always says, like, the truth isn't important when the lie is more entertaining.
Exactly.
That's just life at this point.
Son, what if for like six months we all just told the truth?
Or not even we.
Like, don't fucking trust us for the truth.
Trust us for fun.
We're going to make every story the most fun.
Feelings, no, no.
It's feelings, no facts.
We are not a fucking news source.
Don't come to us for the news.
Come to us to hear the funniest takes about a story.
That's what we're going to do.
Okay.
And sometimes we'll fail miserably in that, but we are going to talk about it.