Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh dissect Dave Chappelle's 846 talk, debating its comedic merit against his past specials while critiquing his "stinky pussy" remark. They analyze Meek Mill's defense of a book thief through the lens of cultural appropriation, contrast Kyrie Irving's protests with Lou Williams' activism, and expose the War on Drugs as a CIA-fueled military tactic targeting Black communities via crack cocaine flooding. Ultimately, the episode argues that systemic policies like the 13th Amendment's criminal labor interpretations and undercover policing strategies function as intentional wars designed to divide poor neighborhoods and suppress unified political action. [Automatically generated summary]
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India China Border Beef00:14:10
All right, what's up?
What's up, everybody?
Yo, Akash is tight, man.
What's China, yo?
What's up?
Akash angry at China.
This is not about Corona.
Apparently, there's beef on the China-India border.
For any new listeners, Akash is half Chinese, half Indian.
You know, he's really torn apart on this one, bro.
He is torn apart, dog.
So tell me what you're going through right now as a half Chinese, half Indian man.
You can't do that to me.
Don't do that to me, yo.
No, so Akash came in here.
Pure blood out this video.
Yo, this is how you know he knows we don't give a fuck about what's happening on the India-China border.
He didn't even put that on the episode notes.
He was gonna write it on the top of the notes.
He was gonna write it.
Here's some interesting stories.
Instead, he was like, nah, put in what Patrick Beverly said about the trust.
I'm not doing this to myself.
So Mark just came in on Black Lives Matter time.
I like you.
Support the movie, Mark.
Show us solidarity, bro.
Mark out here.
Show us solidarity, Judge.
Alex Media.
All right, so, okay, Akash, break down to the people and try to make it interesting.
I just, no, I just read about this.
Yo, message us at what point you turn off the podcast as Akash describes what's happening at the China-India podcast.
Akash tactic!
Akasha!
Akasha!
All right, go, go, go!
I'm gonna be interested.
I'm gonna be interested.
You know why I'm tight?
You know what side I'm on.
You know why I'm tight?
Hold up.
You fucked it up, yo.
What is that?
It's the Mustang.
What are you giving Chinese sounds for?
Yeah, that's all I did.
I gave the Chinese sound.
You think Chinese people don't do this?
They bow, son, like the little subservient asshoes they are.
How do you think they hit the fucking symbols, bro?
Here's what I'm talking about.
You think Chinese people don't go like that.
Here's why I'm upset.
Because you think I know why they're fighting.
They think they're fighting.
You invented the put your hands together?
Yeah, yo.
Man, come on, bro.
That's Chinese people.
How do you think they bind their feet?
They make them put their hands and feet together.
And then they bind that shit.
That's only the feet, yo.
No, real talk.
You think that's Indian?
That's some yoga shit.
Are Chinese people just ripping off everything?
That's probably what this is about.
Yo.
Shit.
Oh, my God.
Inappropriate.
They about to rip off your land in a little bit.
Dude, you think they're about to appropriate your whole time?
Son, they're trying.
Son, hold on.
Okay, okay.
Break down, break down.
We're going to interrupt you every few seconds.
Try to break down what's going on.
I don't know why they're fighting.
I just know on the border there were some deaths.
Uh-huh.
And if everybody's not on India's side, I'm going to be fucking livid.
So you expect us to side with India in a war against China?
I expect anybody to side with whoever's warring against China.
Why?
Because Corona.
What about it?
That's them.
They did it.
Hell yeah, they did it.
Whether intentionally or not, and I'm going to be honest, I think intentionally, they did that shit.
Fuck them.
Yo, you know who you need to send there to the border?
That motherfucker from Haokun Chi Slapp.
Yo, fuck that.
Fuck China.
They out.
Let's get them out.
You think we should get them out?
We gotta.
How are we gonna get them out?
China economic sanction or something.
I've been saying this before, Annie, this tension.
They can't just start a fucking pandemic and then we all act like they didn't.
Yo, what?
Y'all just go ahead and assist the big side.
Now, this is actually an interesting thing because I heard that, whatever.
There's like long-term strategies that they have.
China?
In place.
I 100% believe that.
Yeah, because apparently all them koi fish turn into Chinese soldiers.
I don't know if you knew that.
No, this is true.
In all the Hilton hotels, they got them little ponds.
Yeah.
And they're waiting, and right at the right time, it's going to be a gong, and they all turn into Chinese soldiers.
They've been working on this shit since Ninja Turtles, yo.
They've been trying to train these little motherfuckers to fight for them.
That's what foot soldiers are, yo.
Fucking sushi dinners pop up.
For real, you got to figure out how you're going to take advantage, though.
How you guys are going to fight because we're going to have your back.
Okay?
Hey, everybody, but what are you guys going to use to fight them?
Fucking you said, like, what do Indians have?
What's your weapon?
Like, what is the Indian weapon?
Get out of here.
The Indian weapon is people, yo.
No, but you, yeah, it's, it's people, but they also got people.
You guys need a weapon.
You got more people.
No, you don't.
Oh, they might come up with people.
We got more bamboo sticks.
We got more people for sure.
Them bamboo sticks that they were just smacking motherfuckers on the street to go back and that's your weapon sticks.
Indians need a real weapon, bro.
What is your weapon?
I don't know what your weapon is.
Y'all can't.
You saying that you're going to use.
Oh my God, we need weapons against Chinese people?
What the fuck are we talking about?
Chinese people got karate.
They got martial arts.
They got smoke bombs.
Karate is only effective when black people learn it.
Say again?
Karate is only effective when black people learn it.
Yo, let me take that.
Together and Bruce Lee.
Let me take that in.
That is interesting.
Bruce Leroy will fuck everybody up.
Yo, Bruce Lee versus Bruce Leroy.
Who do you think got that?
Bruce Leroy, dog.
Ain't even a question.
Yo, were there any black guys in Street Fighter?
The video game?
Yeah.
Not Bullrog.
Bullrog out there.
That don't count because Bullrog is in a later version of Street Fighter.
The initial?
He's in the initial?
The black guy?
Nah, who's the black guy in Street?
Are you talking about the Brazilian Blanco?
Yeah, yeah.
No, not like that.
Monster guy's Karina.
What are you talking about?
Not that guy.
The other black guy.
He had the fuck.
He looked like Mr. T.
Oh, Sagat?
No.
Come on, son.
Hold on.
What?
Sagat was Ty.
Sagat was Ty, dude.
What's his name?
There were no black guys in Street Fighter?
You fucking Sagat.
How are there no black guys?
There's not like some guys in the street.
Street Fighter 2, the Jamaican fighter, DJ.
See, there was no black guys in Street Fighter.
Street Fighter 2.
That was like a later Street Fighter 2.
Because Street Fighter 2, the first one.
Yo, that's Japanese, but these ain't.
Think about it.
Let me see if we can get all these characters.
Ryu, Ken, Blanca, Zangief.
Zangief, Dalsim.
How do you not do Dalsim?
Vega, Sagat, Mbison, Chung Lee, Gaio.
I'm fucking impressed right now.
Yeah, I am impressed.
This is.
Yeah, so y'all know spells.
I know Street Fighter, you fucking beeped.
Who knows?
Y'all can guess.
Oh, boy.
No, but for real.
Okay, did I miss anybody?
They had no black people in Street Fighter.
Son, I think DJ was in the original.
DJ was not in that radio.
I don't even know what the fuck DJ looks like.
Bring up DJ so we can see.
Fucking Sagitt.
Real talk.
Real talk, bro.
Y'all, there were no black people in Street Fighter.
I Honda.
That's yo.
Come on, y'all.
You fuckers in a battle.
Honda's here.
This is a black dude.
Go back.
Go to him.
What do you mean, go to him?
Fuck you.
Go to them.
Yo, you can't.
Mark, are you looking this up?
Son, this is the black dude.
I'm telling you, we had a black dude.
You just never fought with him, you racist motherfucker.
Hell no.
No, but you got to fight against him.
I remember one time I was fighting against this black dude.
That motherfucker was yelling, world star the whole time.
I was like, chill, bro.
Yoga flame.
Yoga flame, dogs.
Yoga flame.
Nah, for real, can you bring up a picture of him?
Like the whole character?
I don't believe that guy was a character, Al.
I don't believe that guy was a character.
I think you're making that shit up.
Anyway.
I'm telling you, he was in the original.
Nah, he wasn't.
He just upgraded his look, but he was.
Sorry, we're interrupting how India is going to beat China.
What the fuck are you guys going to use to fight them?
Do you guys have an army?
Yeah.
Okay.
What weapons do you guys have?
What are you known for?
What is the weapon you're known for?
If it's hand-to-hand combat, what is the weapon that you're known for?
Motherfucking yoga, dog.
So what?
You're going to reach around these guys?
You know what I mean?
Fucking grab them by the way.
Look at them and do what?
Like, what are you doing?
Come on, son.
The weapon is.
You didn't say yoga.
They got a billion people, too.
You got 1.4 and they're old.
Motherfuckers are, young people are not enough.
Y'all got the oldest people.
Nah, we got the oldest people, but we got mad young people, too.
They don't got young people because they got one child per family.
I don't know about that, bro.
Bro, they got robots.
Son, they got robots.
I really am concerned about India.
We need to give y'all a weapon.
What is white people could be our weapon?
Yo, have our fucking back for once.
We got your back.
When did we not have an enemy?
Do we?
I've always had India's back.
Yeah, but haven't I always defended India?
China owns our back.
Throughout the years?
No.
They own our debt, though.
What?
China owns our debt.
So let's go with India.
Solve that shit.
That's what I'm saying.
Come on, bro.
What are you talking about, Al?
So, you come up with a plan.
Yo, are you a traitor?
You come up with a plan for the iPhones and Jordans.
Black people are.
Who the fuck do you think programmed this thing?
They just made it.
Yeah, it programmed shits.
You're just saying things.
Yeah.
Wait, India programs iPhones?
That's too foolish.
That shit really bothered Akash.
The fact that you said Indians couldn't program, that really bothered Arkas.
What are you doing?
What are you doing at this point?
What are you saying things?
Nah, but in all seriousness, I want to support Indians in the best way possible.
I'm just trying to find a way where we could create a weapon for you guys.
Send us your weapons.
But I don't even know if you guys don't know how to change.
You know, our weapon, real talk?
What is that?
They're going to be.
Fuck China.
That's our weapon.
Fuck China.
That's our weapon.
What is that?
Everybody have our back.
China out here trying to kill everybody with their fucking pandemic.
Just send us your weapons.
White people, you got the best weapons.
Give them to us.
Yeah, but your most powerful thing is tricking white people into doing your shit.
No, we be doing shit and pretending we're you, outsourcing calls.
No, I'm talking about like.
I'm like, I say my name is fucking Brian.
You don't need.
Yeah, that's true, but I'm saying you don't need white.
If you can get white people to join the fucking Rajneeshi or whatever that is, right?
If you can get white people to do yoga, if you can get white people to put the feathers in their heads and shit and to do the bindies, you can get white support for an anti-China war.
That's what I'm saying.
You come be our soldiers.
Man, I don't know about all that, bro.
Y'all might have to deal with that one yourself.
I'm down to support India.
He wants your weapons and you got to fight for him.
I'm really concerned.
Because the weapons were good money.
I'm honestly concerned that I don't know how you guys are going to do the fighting.
If we don't have support, we're not going to win.
Why do you think I'm so passionate about this subject?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It might be a rap.
I'm on his side now because he hasn't said black people need to do anything.
So I'm on your side.
Yo, are you going to ask black people until his sodium?
We good.
I'm fighting.
I'm going to stop their fight for civil rights here and fight against it.
No, son.
If anything, I'm trying to get more white people to go to India so you can get fucking, you know what I mean?
Seize the opportunity.
There we go.
There we go.
I'm on board.
Man, I shouldn't blame you for nothing.
Fuck China.
You comfortable owing is the question.
All right, yo.
So, India, we're with you, bro.
Hey, we stand with you, India.
We got you, man.
If China, you know, talks that shit.
We got to do something to China.
I really believe this.
Economic sanctions.
We're not going to go to war, but there got to be economic sanctions.
I don't let them listen to this podcast.
I drew a line in the sand, bro.
Hey, I drew a line in the sand, guys.
Hey, you got to click the boxes.
They're like, Do you want them to listen to in China?
I said, No.
Nope.
Real talk.
You know, they ain't finding this shit on their Google.
They're not.
Fucking offensive ass podcast.
There's no way they listen to this in China.
Uh-uh.
But they listen to us in India, though.
They do listen to us in India.
Shout out to India, man.
What do y'all call India?
Oh, what do we call India?
What?
Did you just repeat the fucking question I just asked?
I didn't really understand the question, so I don't feel like that.
What do y'all call India?
Bharat.
Bharat.
That was the original name.
Okay.
All right.
What do you say?
Like, you know, like, God bless America is our slogan.
What y'all got?
India's in the bad.
India is in the bad.
Say it again.
India is in the bad.
India is in the bad.
I don't think y'all been in the bath at all, but I think that's one of the biggest issues with India.
Y'all need a fucking bath.
I caught us not showering gagnots in here growing fucking dreadlocks.
He's French.
Yeah, bro.
Come on.
I was late.
No, he's Canadian, dude.
He's gay French.
That's true.
He'd be back in French.
That makes you gay.
Yo, if you go double gay, does it make it straight?
I'll tell you from experience, yes.
You cross the swords and then it comes back.
Yeah, exactly.
All right, dog.
So, for real, if any of y'all are still listening, bro, we stand with India.
Flagrant 2 is rocking with India in this whole thing, okay?
Until China wipes him out.
And then China, you know, we're going to reconcile it to it.
Say, yo, we need your support right now, yo.
We need your support right now, yo.
India Islamabad.
Wait, what is it?
What is it?
What is it?
India in the bag, son.
India is in the back.
India is in the bag.
What is it?
Not Indians on the back.
What the fuck are y'all talking about?
In the bag.
How do you say that?
Zindabad.
India Zindabad.
Man, I pronounce the pussy out of that.
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I really did, dude.
India Zindabad.
It's not that good.
Say it one more time.
Say it one more time, you hick.
You fucking farmer.
It's your farmer ass accent.
Look at all these Indians listening in there right now.
What part of the farm is he from?
Son, real talk.
Yo, if you're an Indian listen to this podcast, does I guys not have a Pakistani accent?
That's fire.
I swear to God, I'll walk off this podcast right now.
I walk on this podcast right now.
Son, I was offended for this.
I'm not lying, yo.
Come on, yo.
Yo, okay, no, but seriously.
That's how you call a brown guy and Uncle Tom, an Indian.
You don't call him an Uncle Tom?
You call him a Pakistani.
Really?
Probably.
Pakitan?
Paketom?
Yo, I got a really cool announcement, man.
I've been waiting to make this announcement for a while.
We're going back on the road, man.
We are going back on the road.
It's official.
TheandrewSchultz.com for the dates, the cities, the tickets.
We're going to continue adding more as they get confirmed.
A lot of the shows that we've, you know, we couldn't do, obviously, because of Corona, we've rescheduled.
So a lot of those are popping back up on it.
But the first day back that we are out there on the road performing again, it's going to be in Kansas City, Missouri.
Shout out to Missouri.
The show me state, is it?
Son, I don't know.
It's the show me state.
Yeah, we well.
Better not show no Corona.
We're going to be there the 26th and 27th at the Kansas City improv, Kansas City, Missouri.
Then we got Orlando, Florida.
We're rescheduling those dates, the 17th to the 19th of July.
So that'll be there.
Then we'll be in Raleigh July 24th and 25th.
Then we're going to be in Huntington.
Oh, no, no, actually, we're going to move the Huntington date.
Long Island date, we're going to move.
But hey, we got plenty more.
Syracuse, Albany, New Brunswick.
Go check them out theandrewschultz.com.
We'll have all the dates.
And obviously the stand-up special taping out there in LA is going to be in November 14th and 15th, I believe.
So go to theandrewschools.com, check out all those tickets, and we got this.
All right.
Let's get back.
Okay.
No, for real.
Akash, we've got a lot to talk about today.
Yeah, but okay.
Like, I mean, there's been so many amazing things that have happened in the news.
Do you know what I mean?
I just don't know what's coming.
That's all.
That's the best part.
Yeah.
You don't either.
No, I know.
Neither do I.
But, but no, for real, dude.
Like, what did y'all, what did y'all think about listen?
We've tried to have this discussion about the Chappelle 846 thing.
It's been very difficult.
High stakes because you don't want to criticize it because it seems like you're criticizing the thing that he's supporting, right?
So it's very difficult to detach this from, detach the art from the point that he's making because there's not a lot of art in it, right?
It's not, if it was stand-up, you could criticize the stand-up jokes, but it's not stand-up.
He's just talking about what's happening right now in our country and he's saying things and speaking eloquently on it.
So you don't want to criticize it because it seems like you're criticizing his point of view instead of criticizing the way that he's delivering it, right?
Is that fair?
Yeah.
Sure, yeah.
That's why I think it's so harsh, right?
So I think the reaction a lot of people have, and I think we agreed to look at this through two lenses.
One is our reaction to the piece, and the other is our reaction to people's reaction to the piece.
Yes.
Right.
And it's really difficult because we're jaded in a way because our expectation from Chappelle is so fucking great.
Nothing less than mastery is acceptable.
It's acceptable.
If you are not putting every point forward masterfully, it's not Chappelle.
And also keep this in mind for people who are listening.
A lot of you guys haven't been in a room and watched Dave Chappelle for six hours straight like Akash and I have and Alex has.
And I think in LA you did it.
Or is it, you know, it was in LA, right?
And Mark, I don't know if you ever saw a long set from Chappelle, but like.
That's amazing.
It is unreal his ability to like control a room and honestly control expectation and patience.
You're not bored.
He could talk for six hours and not bored.
And Akash, you were kind of bringing this up with the special or not the special with this piece, with this talk that he gave 846, which was.
I thought it was good overall, but I was bored in the middle.
There were boring parts.
And that's kind of, and some of his points, I'm like, oh, that's, that's the weak, that's the smoke you gave Candace Owens.
The Candace Owens smoke was like, your pussy stinks undeniably weak.
And again, it's so weird to even sit here and like criticize it.
I almost feel like the only reason we're talking about this is because it was exalted by the people.
So that's, I think, the issue.
And I think some of us had a bigger issue with it than others.
Yeah.
Me.
Comics.
Yeah.
Comics are.
And this is hypocritical because comics are like, this is what comedy should be.
This is what I thought it was a good special.
It is not a good comedy special.
It's not comedy.
It was a good talk.
And I will let Dave Chappelle do this because I respect his brilliance and he has the credibility built up.
If you're some fucking loser at an open mic, this is not what comedy is.
In the same way, do not let Hannah Gatsby slide and say that's comedy.
That's not comedy.
Neither is this.
Right, exactly.
The criticism of Hannah Gatsby would be like, the people who agree with everything she's saying love her.
And the people who don't agree are going to go, well, it's not funny enough for me to not agree.
And the amazing thing about comedy is that when a joke is funny, you cannot agree with the point of view, but it's so funny, you're willing to digest it.
You know, it's like...
It's like when you make a horrible food out of like sugar.
You know how sometimes people make a boot out of cake?
Right, right.
You know what I'm talking about?
And it's like, oh, fuck, I'm eating a boot, but I'm not.
Like, that's what comedy can be.
It can be this like sugary encasing for this thing that you would never eat in your life.
And I think maybe I was waiting for him to say stuff in a way that was so unimpeachable that people who completely disagreed with the support of Black Lives Matter and the support of this movement to like end police brutality and like give black people the equality they're supposed to have.
I was waiting for him to put forward these masterful arguments.
And I didn't see it based on a Chappelle level of mastery.
Like I liked the Eric Dorner comparison.
I thought that was really clever, this idea of like, and that is like a glimpse of what Chappelle does.
He's like, Chris Dorner?
Or sorry, it's Eric Gonner, Chris Dorner.
Yeah.
So it's like, that's what he'll do.
He'll take something and he'll go and he'll make you empathize.
Let's say you're super supportive of the police.
He'll take that empathy you have for the police and he'll find a way to position that for this person that might be your enemy.
And he did that.
And granted, this is his first time on stage in months.
I think that if he had another three weeks with that joke or that idea, that's a hilarious bit.
I don't even think Rust is ever an issue for him.
I think he is.
Well, put it, there's a difference between Rust and time working out a joke.
So I think he didn't even have the time.
I think he felt like he needs to say something now.
And he's had three weeks to come up with bits about this.
Right, right.
So I wouldn't say 87 days.
I'd say he has to put out content in what, 21 days?
Regardless, regardless, like if that's your first time on stage, just for people who don't understand how comedy works.
Exactly.
So it's like you start with an idea on stage and it's not that funny, but the idea is there.
And then it's just like a piece of wood.
You slowly carve it and shape it into a sculpture.
And I feel like we had like the wood right there.
Right.
And again, it's like.
See, and that's a thought that I had that just came to me now.
Yeah.
You two are looking at it from comics POV.
Yeah.
I was just, I'm just like a fan.
Right.
And so I thought it was a little bit better than what you guys think.
Of course, I don't think it's Chappelle's best piece, but I also don't look at this as a comedy special.
I just look at this like a public speaking event as he talks on the issues going on.
And then he just throws a little funny just to keep you, you know, engaged with it.
Yeah.
I agree.
I was just looking at it from that point of view.
I thought it was okay.
Like I didn't hear anything new that I didn't already know.
I did think it was good.
Because he's such a great orator.
It's like I was glued.
I did think it was good.
I wasn't glued.
And to your point, in the middle, I was like, yo, this is, he's losing me.
And at the end, and I've said this to y'all multiple times now, but this really hit me when he talked about, you know, George Floyd calling for his mom and then his dad.
He's only heard that one of the time, his dad calling for his grandma.
And at the end, he says, my dad's grandma was a slave.
And like the recency of that fucking stuck with me.
Yeah, yeah.
And we all, no one knows how long ago slavery was.
We all kind of put it 400 years ago, 300 years ago, 200 years ago.
That I was like, holy fuck, slavery was mad recent.
Like slavery, not separate water fountains.
I'm talking about no water in the fields.
Mad recent.
So like that affected me in a way that I was like, fuck.
And that made it worth it for me.
So I think I'm a little less harsh because I hadn't, maybe I just don't know history at all.
I don't really care to, but that put it in a way to me that I was like, fuck.
If it was released by Ted, if it was a TED talk, would your reaction be different?
No.
It'd be the same.
Yeah, because what I missed from it were prolific arguments.
And I'm used to him making such prolific arguments within his stand-up.
For me, and Arkash and I might debate this, but like when I see the arguments in his stand-up, I'm like, that logic is so unimpeachable that I could present that to the most right-wing person or the most left-wing person.
And both of them will sit there and go, nah, you got a point.
And what I saw here was raw emotion.
And sometimes you need to speak off emotion.
I'm not saying there isn't a place for that.
But what Chappelle did so beautifully, I think, in his career was like took that emotion and then carved it into these like beautiful arguments that did a lot of the intellectual heavy lifting for the people that listened and watched him.
And then you could take those arguments and then you could use them when you're debating your uncle who might not really be empathetic to this struggle.
And I just didn't really see that here.
So if it was a TED talk, I'd be like, there wasn't enough TED.
What I saw was, you know what I'm saying?
There wasn't enough Ted in it.
So it was just a talk that I thought wasn't up to the standard of brilliance that Chappelle has.
And if those arguments were made funny, I'd be like, all right, it was cool.
I laughed.
It was really funny.
But then he didn't really put the effort to make them funny.
So it was missing brilliance and missing funny.
And I think I went into it.
I think I went into it because I saw the way people reacting to it.
You got to see this is the greatest thing ever.
This will never be not spoken about.
And it's no different than when you go into a movie and people say it's amazing.
And you're like, wait a minute, wasn't it the greatest movie I've ever seen?
And now it seems like a letdown because my expectations were so high.
Yo, so two things, that's a big difference, actually.
Cause my, the first things comics sent me, like Robbie Slovak, who I trust, was like, it's not comedy, still watch it.
And then my girl had time to watch it before me.
And she was like, she said the Hannah Gatsby thing.
She's like, all right, don't shit on Hannah Gatsby and like this.
And I was like, okay, so it's not going to be funny.
And I know this is.
You went in with the right exercise.
So I went in knowing, okay, it's not going to be funny.
And in the middle, I was like, yo, she might be right.
I might have to give Hannah.
I might have to give Chappelle that Hannah Gatsby smoke.
And then at the end, maybe I was so relieved there was something I could grab on to that I was like, thank God.
Okay, I'm not going to do that.
But two theories about why it wasn't carved out as beautifully as we would have hoped.
Mine is time.
He just didn't have time and he felt like I have to say something.
The country's at a fucking breaking point.
Two is Alex's theory that he presented earlier.
And say that on the mic.
What the editing and all that, like what he has in store.
Oh, yeah.
I really feel that he had a performance, a full stand-up performance.
And this was like the end of the performance where it's like he just talks to the crowd.
So it's like he wasn't trying to deliver jokes.
And something that stuck with me when Al said that is, you know, like very early into the Chappelle set, he goes, are y'all bored yet?
We've all seen Chappelle.
When I see him doing six hours, he doesn't ask that shit for four hours.
Are y'all bored yet?
So for him to say that eight minutes in or whatever, I remember at the time being like, that's mad early for Chappelle to ask if we're bored.
Yep.
So that could be, he could have done a long set, knocked out some shit, and then at the end, just been emotional.
And that's all he put out.
I think that Chappelle is moving towards, and I've said this before, just speaking and like being like almost like a teacher.
And like he has such prolific thoughts that they, he can just talk to us about these things.
And we've seen in the past and I've seen him do it live, et cetera.
I just didn't see that prolific things being said about this.
And look, I could be wrong, but I ask you guys that are, you know, listening to the podcast, like when you saw the arguments that he laid out or what he was talking about, like, was there something that you were like, yo, I didn't look at it that way.
Outside of the, of the Dorner, what's Chris Dorner?
Chris Dorner.
Outside of the Chris Dorner thing, I don't, was there something that you were like...
Again, for me, the end.
And the end, and the thing, and I get why that resonated with you, because I remember once my dad was telling me, my dad did this documentary on this, on this guy, I forget his name, but he told a story about he was this jazz musician.
And he told a story about his mom, I believe his mom, the jazz musician, super old.
Yeah.
I believe his mom seeing Abraham Lincoln walk through D.C. That's crazy.
After slavery was abolished.
And she one of the last people to see this dude.
Now, I wonder if it was his grandma, but I believe it was his mom.
This guy has already passed.
But when he said that to me, I got that feeling you got, which was, oh, shit.
Yeah.
This is not that long ago.
So maybe the reason that didn't affect me in the same way is because I've heard that story, but Chappelle putting it in that way, I can see how it really affected you.
And it can really put in context to other people who are not sympathetic to the black plight in America.
They're like, yeah, why don't you get over that shit?
It's like, it's new still.
Right.
Okay.
I see.
I see that.
I see that there.
I don't know.
Positives.
What are the positives?
Chappelle said something.
That's a positive.
Yeah.
I thought the Candace Owens point was actually pretty decent.
Like, obviously the roast of her was like, was trash.
But like when he, like, Candace Owens raises this point where she goes, black people are the only group people that sort of like exalt or uphold the or make martyrs of the worst of our the worst of our group.
Yeah.
And that we constantly like praise and make t-shirts out of these people that are criminals and you know, rob people.
And like, why do we choose these people?
And then Chappelle says, we don't choose them.
You choose them.
The cops choose them.
Yeah, the cops choose.
Yeah, it was a great point.
And I probably forgot about it because at that point, I was like, this is exciting.
Yeah, the Candace Owens roast was trash.
Yeah.
I would almost rather him not roast her because it, I think, clouded that point.
Comedy Defense Mechanism00:06:20
Right.
And then his only rose of her was like, she's so articulate.
And then the stinky pussy thing.
Right, right.
But like, he was like complimenting her at the same time.
I was like, I felt conflicted as to what he's trying to say.
Yo, I'm not going to lie.
Candace handled that shit beautifully.
She's smart, dude.
She's not dumb.
That was what Chappelle said.
She's not dumb.
If y'all didn't see the way she handled it, she didn't like criticize.
She didn't push back.
She was just like, she's like, to every Democrat tweeting me the clip with Dave Chappelle and self-defined me.
I'm not a leftist.
I have a sense of humor.
I think comics should make fun of people.
Dave Chappelle is one of the greatest comedians of all time.
And I made it to one of his specials.
That's power.
And then she says some other shit like, I hope that, you know, we meet sometime.
You can say that stuff to my face.
And then like winky face.
Smile.
But like, she chose to take the road of, I'm going to laugh at this, allow it to happen instead of being all butthurt.
Yeah.
And then she actually looks good coming out of it.
Whereas like if he leaned into that idea and then leaned into the caricature that she is and how the right, the people on the right hold her up as a token so that all of her, their arguments can be filtered through her so that they can't be called racist for having.
I guarantee you.
If you ask him about Candace Owens, he has a great opinion on Candace Owens.
So why?
Let's hear that.
I know.
And I don't, that I agree with.
I agree with that.
This is like, what is at that point?
It's a great point.
We don't want these people to be our heroes.
You do this.
That's a great point.
You think he's saving it for a stand-up bit?
You think he's got like a bit?
Probably.
Because we do that.
We're on the road.
We release some of the stuff, you know, but we're like, no, don't keep that.
That's going to be a bit.
We're going to put that in the next special.
And maybe he has some real Candace smoke, but he's like, ooh, no, let me carve that out.
That's going to be the one that, you know, puts the machete.
And this could be proof.
I also thought this could be proof as I was watching it of what you've said, which is I think he's transitioning out of stand-up.
Yes.
And I think, I don't think he is Malcolm or Martin, but I think when people say like, who's our guy, he has the potential to be one of those guys in that it might not be the same level, but that's who we got right now.
And I think this is him maybe getting comfortable with stepping out of, because humor for all of us is a defense mechanism.
Yes.
So maybe for him, it was, let me get my points across through humor.
And this is him kind of shedding away the defense mechanism of humor.
And it's, let me just put forth my emotion.
Yo.
And we'll carve it out from there.
I like, I like that slow transition.
We've seen him do it, right?
He did it at the, I think, Mark Twain.
Yeah.
He did it.
He's been doing it a bunch of different places, just kind of like talking, but also talking funny.
And I've always said, it's like, I'd love Chappelle to just be a teacher.
Yeah.
I don't think that this was what he said was at the level of his specials.
Even his specials.
Like, I would rather listen to his arguments from his specials without the punchlines.
Like, I think some of the arguments in the specials without the punchlines were so prolific.
Even when he did the bird revelation, there weren't a lot of punchlines in it.
She was incredible.
But it was masterful.
If you compare this to that, there's a different level of mastery going on.
We can acknowledge that, right?
Yo, I'm going to say something that's going to sound blasphemous.
Go.
But Sticks and Stones wasn't up to the level of his other stuff.
So is it just.
Oh.
Come on.
We got to present all of the arguments.
That's to me, that's the goat.
But Sticks and Stones, I remember kind of thinking the same thing.
Like, these aren't ideas I haven't heard before.
And I expected more comedy special from Sticks and Stones.
This, I was thinking like...
Yeah, you weren't a fan of Sticks and Stones.
I wasn't a massive fan.
It was good.
And I'm glad Chappelle's the guy carrying that torch forward.
It helps all of us.
But I remember thinking, we've said this stuff.
And Chappelle, I'm not a genius by any stretch.
If I have the same point as Chappelle, I don't look at me smarter.
I look at Chappelle like, what are you doing?
What the hell's going on here?
I think Sticks and Stones, it was a bar when he said like he can't say maggot, but he could say nigga on the network execs.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And she was like, oh, well, you can't say maggot because you're not gay.
He's like, well, I'm also not a nigga.
Yeah, but a gay person could say the F-word.
And if she said the same argument, he'd be like, yeah, well, I'm not an F-word.
See what I'm saying?
The thing with that joke is the argument on the surface seemed great because it satisfied our emotions.
But if you actually kind of like peel it apart.
So is the gay person an F-word?
Yeah.
Because he's not, but he can say that.
She's basically saying like, you have the license to use the bad words that are attributed to you, but you don't have the license to use the bad words that are attributed to people who aren't you.
But he phrased it as if she was calling it the N-word.
So he kind of like sacrificed her for the joke.
And I thought the joke was really good.
And this is one of the beautiful things about stand-up.
It doesn't have to be the court of law.
That can be like a really fun fucking bit and a great point.
Thanks a lot, guys.
Yeah, we really ruined that.
You ruined that for me.
And maybe we ruined it for other people, but maybe that's also like the way that that's the standard we hold up to Chappelle too.
For me, like, I just think he's the greatest living comedian.
I still think.
Yeah, I think, and I love Patrice, but just the Chappelle, I just think, goat.
Like, I just do.
And maybe Patrice is right underneath him or whatever.
But like, I don't, that doesn't take away from his greatness.
It's just, that's what I saw.
You're still great.
And the thing that was special about this, if you want to call it a special, I'm not calling it comedy.
If you want to call it a special, the thing that was special was he's, Dave Chappelle is showing us a side of himself he's never shown us.
Right.
And the timing, and he spoke out.
And that's kind of what made it special.
And that's, that's it.
Right.
And I don't mean that like, fuck, this is a piece of trash, but like, if we're going to call it a special, that's why it's special.
And that's how I can compartmentalize it because it wasn't special in its content necessarily throughout.
It wasn't special in the fact that it was hilarious.
Why do you think people felt the need, especially like our comics friends, to like talk about how prolific it was?
He's our Trump, man.
He's our Trump.
Oh, like no matter what he does, it's good.
Yeah, but he's like, he's much.
And I'm not saying he is Trump at all.
I think he's the greatest.
But a Trump supporter, anything Trump does is brilliant.
Chappelle earned that with us, but anything he does is brilliant.
Ah, so we're looking at him through like what he said.
He earned it.
That's different than Trump.
Trump.
Glasses or something like that?
Rose colored glasses.
Yeah.
And he deserves it.
He's earned that.
Yeah.
I really believe, like, if a guy overrates Chappelle, cool, just don't think you got the same license.
White Savior Movie Critique00:02:31
That's my only advice to comics.
If you think this is what comedy should be, this is what Dave Chappelle is allowed to be.
You are not.
Yeah, you're going to be asking if people are bored a lot too.
They're going to have been lit.
Bro, where are you guys going?
There's a protest.
We got to get.
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
All right.
Well, I think that's a more productive discussion than we had earlier.
I think we got to talk about it.
You know, like, obviously, you guys listen to the podcast.
You want to hear our perspectives on these things.
And yeah, man.
Yo, I saw a fire ass movie, Wall E. Where I couldn't watch it.
They don't talk into that bitch.
Son, that's how useless actors are.
Actors are fucking useless.
Okay, I'm on board.
Okay.
This is why we shouldn't listen to a single fucking thing any of them say.
There's a movie called Wall E, okay?
Right.
This guy, this guy, it's a movie about a robot called Wall E, and then another one called Eve.
They don't speak English.
They just say their names.
That's the whole movie.
That's it.
And it's cartoons.
You don't need actors for anything.
Did you see the movie, Al?
I did too.
I couldn't.
Did you like it?
I don't think litter for 30 minutes.
It didn't stick with me, so it wasn't that great.
Say again?
It didn't stick with me, so it wasn't that great.
Man, that movie was touching.
No, people feel this.
I don't, I was like, this shit is boring.
But a whole movie with no acting, no words?
That's not amazing, bro.
That's like silent films back in the day.
You really didn't need them to talk.
We can't even call that a talkie.
Like, that's how old-fashioned this movie is.
This is 100 years ago.
100 years ago, a little Mexican robot cleaning up the fucking earth, right?
And then this white savior comes down.
Yo, real talk.
That's what the movie is.
White Savior comes down, finds a little plant the Mexican found.
Didn't even make it to the takes that back to the white people.
White people are like, oh, there's land.
Real talk?
This is Christopher Columbus, bro.
That's really what this whole movie is about.
The white people just up in the, just floating around in the sea of the space or whatever it is.
They found some land, you know, went, took that shit over.
Wally, fell in love.
We got to take down somebody.
What the white lady?
Wally statue.
Say again?
You got to take down some of these Wally statues.
Yo, bro, you can't take down Wal E, dog.
Mexican Robot White Savior00:11:31
That shit is, dude, it's a, I'm telling you, man.
Y'all got to check out.
I couldn't make it through.
Yo, in the beginning, so fucking boring.
Nah, because you don't know what's going on.
I don't want to not know what's going on for 30 minutes.
I actually love that.
That's my favorite part of the movie.
You out.
Yo, hi.
Say again.
Yo, don't fucking sit there and say Chappelle bored you and then you watch Wally for 30 minutes and still gave it a chance.
That's why he bored me.
That's why he bored me because I knew what was going on.
My favorite part of the beginning of a movie is when I don't know what's going on and they stretch that shit out for a long time.
I dope.
I don't know what happened.
I don't know.
God called me bullshit.
God called me bullshitting, bro.
God called me bullshit, bro.
That was ghost dick or something.
Dude, I did.
That was some weird shit.
No, but in all seriousness, I don't know what the device it is in a movie.
I guarantee there's a name for the device where the beginning just confuses you.
You don't know exactly what's happening.
You know what I'm talking about?
Oh, man, but 30 minutes.
Yeah, but I know.
Like, a lot of movies do that.
I love that.
Yeah.
Because I'm like, wait, what the fuck is going on?
What the fuck is happening here?
With the Chevelle thing, I knew what was happening.
Okay.
Here it is.
What?
Here it is.
Why?
I thought the movie was great.
This is me.
Now I'm like, you like Wally?
That shit was trash, yo.
That's what he does.
Clean's fucking trash.
What do you want?
All right, we're going to take a break for a second, man.
Keep your hair.
Keep your hair, everybody.
I got some granola trying to sneak out my mouth.
Keep your hair, though, for real, man.
Listen, Bald is a choice now.
A lot of people don't realize that, but that's a fact.
It's a choice.
You know, so you got to get in there before it goes away.
And the way we do that on this podcast, and by we, I mean me, is with Keeps.
Keeps an amazing company.
I've been on the same active ingredient that's in Keeps for probably 10 years.
As you can tell, beautiful head of fucking hair.
You know, literally the number one determinant factor for a man if he ages well is if he has a full head of hair.
Simple as that.
If a guy with a full head of hair, they're like, oh, he looks great for his age.
A guy with no hair doesn't matter how old he is.
They're like, oh, fucking, you're going through it.
You're rough.
So I would recommend getting on it.
Simple as that.
You just go to Keeps.
All you got to do is K-E-E-P-S dot com slash flagrant.
I'm recommending something to you guys that I've been using for 10 years.
Maybe more than he has.
He truly has.
You live together.
We live together.
I saw you make this decision.
And did it not get my shit popping?
100%.
You got a little hair regrowth.
I got some regrowth.
Yeah, a little hair regrowth.
You know, it's like that blue chew effect.
Al, fuck is my blue chew effect, yo.
Anyway, so yo, go check out Keeps, man.
Keeps K-E-E-P-S.com slash flagrant.
Keep your hair, grow some back, get back in the game.
You know what I mean?
Leave your wife.
No, don't do that.
Keep her.
All right, let's get back to the show.
Let's get back to the podcast.
This is something that I would like to take a little victory on this week.
Okay.
Oh, I know.
Your guy's girl.
Your guys' girl, the most talented woman on the internet.
Be Simone.
I said, was it on Patreon I said it?
I think my own Patreon.
I said, these types cannot have a career in doing this.
You can't have a career just smacking your lips on the fucking Instagram.
Okay.
What is that?
Fucked up.
You can't say that?
No, bro.
Oh, okay.
All right.
What is it?
Why?
Is that wrong?
Black people, big lips.
They might call it.
Son, shut up.
Why are you searching for the outrage?
I'm trying to save you, motherfuckers, man.
Fine.
Say everything.
Nah, save me, bro.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Even when I said it, I was like, wait, is that real?
No.
You can be easily taken the road.
You know what?
While we're talking about people who take shit the wrong way, she stole her entire book, right?
Yeah, she took her whole book from someone else.
Real talk.
She did loot that.
So last week, we were talking about her.
Yo, I lost this one.
What?
So you're defending this bitch.
You were defending this bitch.
Why are we, what were you saying?
I just said, it was based on the book.
I was like, yo, she, she got, I don't think she's funny.
I said, I don't think she's funny, but she done wrote a book.
She said, she got to be fine.
She's a smart girl.
I didn't know the book was just stolen from somebody else.
Guys, these people don't have it.
You need a certain amount of talent and a certain amount of work, Epic, to get this shit done.
And you don't do that when you just steal it and get it.
She can't do work and she ain't got no ethics.
So but it was mad fun when Meek Mill tried to defend.
What the fuck is Meek Mill doing?
Bro, Meek Mill was like, white people have been stealing our culture and stealing us for years.
And now you're going to, you know, come down on this girl for doing that shit.
And it's like, what was your argument against Drake?
The whole time.
What was your Drake argument?
That's hilarious.
You got a ghostwriter.
That's hilarious.
You are stealing Drake shit, whatever it is.
It's like, man, you know what's really funny is like...
People don't realize when they go from like hip-hop to activism, no one calls you on your shit in hip-hop.
Because hip-hop is wrestling, right?
So if you're like, I'm out in the streets, I'm shooting people, I'm selling drugs, I'm fighting, I'm doing all this shit.
We're like, yeah, do that.
Randy Orton, are you RKOing your wife?
Sick.
Nobody's going, you didn't really RKO her, and it was shut up, and she was just hanging by the pool, and that's really convenient.
We want to believe the wrestling.
So when you go from wrestling to real life, motherfuckers are going to call you on your shit, and now they got to make arguments to actually stand up.
And they're not used to making arguments to stand up.
They're just going, all right, what would sound the most fire right here?
I'm woke.
I'm with it.
I'm an activist.
What's the most fire thing to say?
Support all black women, even if they be stealing.
That shit sounds like bars.
It sounds hot, right?
A second somebody's like, wait, what?
Wait, what about Drake?
He's a black woman.
You just gonna let him not.
Why are you not gonna let him steal?
I mean, you're gonna call him a bitch so many times.
He better be a woman.
So real talk.
He got feelings like a woman.
He got feelings?
He be singing in his shit.
Yo, I'm saying.
He says, I got my eyes on you.
Is that the song?
Yeah, yeah.
I got my eyes on you.
Yeah.
That's a womanly thing to do.
Yo.
Yo, leave me alone.
You're a rapist?
Yeah.
You either a woman or a predator to say some shit like, I got my eyes on you.
Yo, they got to reshoot that whole reshoot the whole video.
Jesus just in a bush in a park.
I got my eyes.
Yo, you think Cosby's one eye just went cockeye so he can look at other bitches and he was finna rape to always have a no matter who he's talking to, he's looking at bitches that he can rape.
I've got my eye on you.
Yo, where's Cosby doing all this shit?
Fuck Chappelle special.
What Cosby got saved?
I told you you should have worn your pants high.
Oh my God.
You think he gets raped in jail?
Say we?
Hell no.
Don't put some respect on Cosby's name, yo.
Fuck out of here, dog.
Do you think he catches him rapes?
No, son.
I know he got his pants high, bro.
Maybe that's why he got his pants high.
Because he knew what happens to him eventually.
I heard that's how sagging started.
It was like some jail culture shit to let people know you were down to get fucked or something like that.
No, bro.
It was just because they didn't have the right sizes.
It was one size fits all gear.
Why don't you just tie that rope tighter?
I bet Cosby ain't sagging.
Tie that rope tighter.
Because they got to take that rope off and make fucking spaghetti out of it or some shit.
You know what I'm saying?
Useful out there.
There's no rope.
Resourceful ass.
Is every inmate like an Eagle Scout?
Son, why?
I'm a fucking survivor.
You know what I mean?
Bro, it's so true how amazingly prolific.
Like, you know what really goes to show me?
Them motherfuckers on that show, Survivor, ain't shit.
And the motherfuckers on that show, Naked and Afraid, ain't shit.
You're right.
Because these jail dudes, within a week, they're finding ways to make a Bunsen burner on the bottom of the bed and the bed turns into a hot plate and they can turn ramen into fucking sandwiches and shit.
They're finding ways to talk to each other through the toilets.
They got all this crazy shit that they could do.
And 28 days later, they got a whole pond full of fish.
Can't catch a goddamn fish.
Yo, the real naked afraid is just a prison shower.
That's it.
Yo, son, naked and afraid to prison shower.
That's a fire episode.
I gotta watch that one.
Oh my god.
Bro, real talk.
Why haven't dudes in prison found a way to make a butt plug?
That's a vanity.
They just push that shit in.
They push it further?
Yeah.
You don't think they clench trying to stop the rape?
I think dudes do.
That's the thing.
And I'm not trying to put this out there in the world.
All right.
I'm not trying to put this out there in the world, but you're not getting in here, bro.
You're not getting in here.
I would have to be unconscious.
I'd have to be unconscious, and you'd have to use saliva.
How are you going to slide it in?
I don't think they're concerned.
How are you going to slide it in?
I don't think they're concerned with lubrication.
I don't think it's going to be a good thing.
I don't know how it could go in.
I don't know how it could go with her.
I don't know how it could go in.
Maybe I'm tighter than y'all.
Have you tested the tightness of your asshole?
I put a little finger up in there.
I've wiped and I've gone a little up in there.
Or if I'm taking out them dingle burrs, if I'm taking out them dingle burrs in the shower, I've pulled a dingle burr from inside or some toilet paper that got stuck.
I have.
You be having gay sex with yourself, son.
That's wild.
Come on, docs.
Come on, dogs.
I just go to that first nook.
Knuck if we buck, bro.
That's an Asian duck.
That's an Asian dick right there.
I'm just first knuck, dog.
Exactly, dude.
Exactly, dude.
For real.
I'm just saying, you think a guy is going to be able to push his whole dick in you, dude?
I'm uncomfortable with you.
I'm going to be honest, yes.
How does it work, dog?
I really don't know.
I don't want to find out.
Too bad.
All right.
Have you ever shit your pants before?
Say again.
Have you ever shit your pants before?
Yep.
On a bicycle.
I'm pretty sure you were holding it and it still got out.
So if it can get out, it can get in.
That's not true.
It can.
What about Venus flytraps?
What?
Or the Chinese finger traps?
You make the asshole the Chinese finger traps?
Yeah.
So it's easy to get in, but you can't get it out.
Yes, the shit can come straight out, but it's not supposed to go back in unless it gets to a certain point and then it goes all the way.
And I learned that from taking those pills in my butt.
Those whenever I had the hemorrhoid.
You exposed it too much.
I put pills in my butt.
Why?
Because it's for hemorrhoid.
Yeah.
All right.
You know, that was too much of a bargain.
Who told you to put pills in your butt?
Bachelor Fan Base Timing00:08:40
Well, it's tough for me to swallow.
What's gayer?
So I feel like I just put it right to the source.
What's gayer?
What's gayer is that I can swallow anything or it's tough for me to swallow, put in my butt.
Yo, I think mad dudes can swallow, but they front like they can't.
Like they're like, oh, it's hard for me to swallow pills.
But it's like, nah.
You just think that's a gateway drug.
Like, you know, like, like you swallow one of those big ass, like, brown vitamins that comes in that like almost opaque jar.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, the shits, what are they called?
Y'all used to sell them?
Omega-3s?
Yeah.
Omega-3s.
They make them mad big, bro.
What's the point of all that?
Soft gel, though.
It's easy.
No, I'm talking about the hard ones.
They feel like they're like wood chips.
That multivitamin?
Is that multivitamin?
Yeah.
Yeah.
What, dude?
Oh, dude.
All right, what else we got?
We got this black ass bachelor.
Yo, what if Chappelle's whole thing was about the black bastard?
Now that, tune in for us.
My dad look a little corny to me.
But what's the deal?
So for the first time, I believe in 19 years of the Bachelor of History, they have their first black bachelor.
Okay.
Timing, the timing seems a little.
Well, they had a black bachelorette.
Yeah, maybe it just took a while to find one without a kid.
No, but there was a black bachelorette.
I remember.
I watched her season.
Like a year ago, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, I didn't watch it.
I forget her name.
She was a beast.
But didn't the show start as The Bachelor?
And then they switched over to Bachelorette.
Sure.
But like, the reason why there hasn't been a black bachelor, I think, since or bachelor's since she had the lowest rated season.
Oh, where?
That was like two years ago.
Yeah.
This shit can be low too.
Does she look good?
I'm not saying America's racist, but Bachelor fans are racist.
Yeah.
That's a fact.
That's the racist part of America watching.
America's bachelor fans are not racist, but the high-rated show on television, they're racist.
Yeah.
All right.
100%, bro.
For real.
Sudden, the lowest rated season was this black girl.
And she was dope.
She was like a lawyer.
She's smart as fuck.
She's not one of these like dumb bimbos.
She's pretty.
She's pretty.
You crack.
I mean, in back in the day.
Back in the day when I crack.
I've taken down some fucking ducklings, bro.
So to me, would I crack?
Yeah.
Do you know what I mean?
Some girls have gotten a lick off of me, bro.
You know what I mean?
Real time.
She's so proud of it.
Isn't there girl?
No, I took down some fucking Voldemorts.
I took down some beasts.
They put a multivitamin in your ass, bro.
No, you know, I never had a girl put anything in my ass.
Tongue got licked.
I got that lick.
But yeah, so they, and they're upset at this guy because they wanted this other guy.
Mike.
Yeah, Mike.
I watched that season.
You know what I'm saying?
Was he good?
I don't know.
Everybody seemed to like him.
I didn't get it.
Yo, y'all.
So here's the thing.
And this is, and correct me if I'm.
He's not in a relationship.
No, we know.
He is in a whole relationship.
Owl relationships aren't real, son.
That's true.
They really are.
That shit is like the wand he bought at Universal where it's like, yeah, that's a wand.
It don't have none of the reality of a wand.
Harry Potter.
That's an owl relationship.
That's what you're saying.
Al, just get back in a relationship, bro.
Ton.
Harry Potter.
I mean, you are in a relationship.
If that white girl stayed in the U.S. for two more years, you'd know what's going on in The Bachelor.
You don't watch every episode.
You come in the room.
It's on.
You sit down.
You leave.
You know what's going on.
Yeah, but you remember the dudes that were on.
I remember the black dude that was on it, obviously.
Respect.
Fine ass.
So why didn't they pick that dude?
So I have a theory about this.
I have a theory about this too.
You go first.
Okay.
I think that they're look.
I think the other guy has more black features.
Ooh.
And this guy is soft.
This guy is black, but he's racially ambiguous in his face.
So like his features don't look specifically black.
Now the other guy.
He's like a dark-skinned Indian lesson.
Yeah, he could be Indian.
He could be Latino.
You're not exactly sure.
He's kind of like one of those shampoo commercials where they like have the girl, you don't know what race she is.
So all racists could be like, oh, head and shoulders works for me.
So I think that that's what they did.
I think they did a lot of testing.
The other guy on paper is actually perfect.
He's like a wealth manager.
He was in the Air Force.
He's like the ideal American husband, right?
But I think that his features are more black.
And I think that these fucking racist execs, or maybe they're not even racist, but maybe these execs.
Tatering to the fan base.
Yeah, these racist fans are like, oh, I'm not going to watch it because I don't see myself marrying him or I don't see myself in him.
And this is a real thing.
White girls watch this shit.
I want to say something that has happened to my friends and I've experienced.
White girls fuck black guys.
They date black guys.
And then they hit their late 20s.
And that's the, I want to settle down age.
And then they stop doing it.
And I've had friends that have gone through with this.
Not going to shout out the homies, but like they've literally experienced just banging black, blang white chicks all the time.
They love them.
It's a great thing.
They dated relationships, et cetera.
And then as he's gotten older, all of a sudden, the age range of girls that he's been fucking hasn't really elevated with his age because the white girls in that age are like, ah, I kind of want to settle down with this white guy.
Like, I know I'm woke and I'm progressive.
We did all this shit, but that was my fun time.
I want to have a white husband and do my white pick offense, et cetera.
And this show is aspirational.
This show is who would I marry?
How do I see myself in these person's shoes?
And because the other guy thinks looked a little bit more whatever traditionally black, whatever fucking bullshit that means, I think they're like, no, no, throw a racially ambiguous guy out there.
Maybe they could see themselves with him.
That's interesting.
Do you think that's more pressure from the actual girl or from the family?
Fan base.
No, family.
Oh.
Like why the girls stop dating black guys when they want to settle down?
I think it's probably usually pressure from the family.
I think it's family, but I think it's also like culture trickles down.
So I think like that pressure from the family ends up becoming who they are.
Just like racist breed, more racist.
So devil's advocate.
What is so?
This guy that was on the bachelor before, made it really far, was really popular, wouldn't it theoretically hold over if he became the bachelor?
Like people already like him.
He has cache.
You know him.
Yep.
Done that wholesome sway?
100%.
It absolutely could.
And they could be making a huge mistake.
Again, these executives are making these moves just to keep their jobs.
Yeah, I think they're fucking up.
Yeah, and I think they could be fucking up because they should, they could be, and I could be misinterpreting how supportive they would be towards that other guy.
Yeah.
You know?
So I think there's like a couple things.
I think that's probably true.
But this dude had, so like the way like the bachelor works, I guess, is like there's like a community that happens once you're in the shit.
Yeah.
Like you become a part of the, like this greater zeitgeist.
Yeah.
So he was on the on the football team with another guy that was supposed to win.
So like this dude Tyler Cameron was supposed to win.
He was like the favorite and then he lost.
And this dude was like his best friend, like off the show.
Hannah fucked up, yo.
Yeah, for real.
So he got this cosign from the guy that was supposed to win.
And then on top of that, the girl that, that girl, Hannah Brown, said the N-word on a live.
Yeah.
And then got a bunch of heat for like rapped along to a song and said that.
Yeah, but like got a ton of heat from like the bachelor fan base and all these people going crazy.
This is like before George Floyd even like two weeks.
And then as a result of all like the bachelor heat, Black Lives Matter, all that shit, they were like, all right, we have to pick a black dude.
And I don't think they necessarily want to someone with, that's already been on the show that has like baggage that like goes along with being on the show.
But Michael doesn't have baggage, apparently.
Apparently everybody loved him.
He got far and he was like super enjoyed and super like, I literally think like on the executive level of these shits, because they have no talent, these execs, they just run everything through focus groups.
Focus group, focus group, focus group.
And they focus grouped Michael, I'm sure.
And then they focus group this guy and they're like, who would you see yourself with?
Who do you see yourself in?
And then all the guys that watch are like, yeah, probably relate more to that guy because literally his face is just similar looking in shape.
And if the audience that watches it is 80% white or 90% with some absurd amount white, I think that they're like, okay, let's just go with this guy.
And it could be wrong.
What did you mean he's supposed to win?
Like this, it's rigged already.
No, no, but like she literally picked a guy who like broke up with a girl in the middle of the show that he was dating throughout the show.
And there's, she has text messages of him being like, yo, I got to do this.
Russell Sammons HBO Documentary00:08:14
It's good for my career.
That guy won.
And then this other guy started fucking Giselle or something like that after.
Not Giselle, not Giselle.
Who's the Jia Hadid or something like that?
Like he, he running through bitches now.
He's like a guy.
She started following him off of the show.
They went on dates.
Like, how do you get on a bachelor's?
Who fucked who?
And my white guy, Tyler C, fucked with Jia Hadid?
Who's the one that's with fine ass Zane Mullech?
That's fine, dog.
Gigi Hadid?
Gigi Hadid.
Yeah.
She's pregnant right now, though.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think they were like on again off again or something.
They like went out on dates.
There's like pictures.
My girl keep me posted.
Thank God she settled down with fine ass Zane.
You know what I mean?
Good for you, Gigi.
Is he Indian?
Hey, half.
I'll take it.
That's a come up.
But she probably Indian too, or something like that.
She's Muzzy, I think.
She's a half Muslim, I think.
Hadiya dude or Hadid.
Yeah.
Nah, but just like to make up for all the years they didn't have black people, they should he should start with one and end with 30.
He should start with one.
Yeah, start with one girl and end with all 30.
Like, you got to make up for all the years that we didn't have.
Right.
Yeah.
Um, is there anything that would look worse for black men than cheating on 30 women at once at the end of the show?
Like, that's how it ends.
I mean, if you want to be authentic, yo, while we're talking about rape, can you tell us about the uh can you tell us about the uh yo, Can you tell us about the?
Um uncle uh, what's it rush?
Uh, Russell Simmons documentary.
Can you break that down?
Apparently there's this Russell Simmons documentary that, like mad girls are coming out talking about him and his defense is, uh, I was way finer girls.
Like literally, apparently his defense is, is is nah, I was models back then.
Like if you saw the Pussy House can back then it's pretty hilarious.
So he's like tone deaf in terms of just like with so, so regular people.
Um, literally deaf jam.
Oh, my god yeah, so HBO has some documentary.
It was.
Is that why he calls it deaf jam?
Because he's deaf, and then he just jams his shit.
No, what I say?
I can't hear you.
He's deaf to the nose.
He's been telling us this whole time who names a music label deaf bro, go on, go on.
Um, he's hilarious.
I didn't hear him, I didn't know.
Just a quick story HBO, they had a documentary about Russell Sammons and all the women that allege he like were misconduct or rape, things of that nature.
Um, he denies everything, the only one he has compassion for just one girl in the whole thing and he's like, oh yeah, I can understand how she felt like scared in that moment because, like when she got in my car and then the doors locked and she thought she was in danger and I was like, but this is the 90s, you know, like you get in cars and the doors just automatically lock, so I can see how she might have misconstrued that time in the car or whatever, but it's like out of all the girls making these accusations, he's only, he only cares about one single girl.
Also, he's been in Thailand yeah, where you can't uh, what's it called like?
Detain somebody, detain somebody, and you know what he's been.
Oh uh extradite yeah, you can't extrude, and you know what he's been doing while he's in Thailand, these trannies.
No, yoga.
He's been talking about yoga for 20 years and I didn't believe that ever.
I'm starting to believe there's a correlation between rape and yoga.
Oh yeah, it's not just Indians, guys.
Yo, that's how India is going to take over the bro.
That's your defense against the Chinese bro.
I know that's what he was saying, that they would go rape him.
But think about it.
What did America just reason, recently get and appropriate from India?
Yoga yoga, right.
What did America recently start doing?
A lot rape, I think.
How are you starting?
I don't even know what direction you're going to be.
Hold on now.
Hold on now.
Think about it, right?
Me too movement pops up.
All these rapes were happening in what?
The 80s, 90s, 2000s?
When does yoga get here?
80s.
Pops up 90s, 2000s.
I think y'all imported that rape.
Look, man, I'm not going to, I can't support you.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
I'm not going to, you run with this.
I want you to do you.
Okay.
I just can't be Indian and then be like, you're right.
So you do you.
I'm not going to prove anything, but you go.
I'm just saying there's a lot of things here.
Right?
Hey, Al, you want, you know, what's the first position?
Downward dog?
That's actually a good point.
Right?
And then they give you a position that like makes it look like you're fighting back, warrior one.
Right?
And then, oh, that doesn't work, warrior two.
You know what I mean?
Child's pose.
And then when you're in the shower and just trying to wash it all off, child's pose.
Bro, it's not yoga, dude.
It's a complete rape cycle.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Beginning to end.
Dude, I know you can't get on board with this.
I can't, but hey, I'm not not, I'm not disproving it.
So what do you think happens with him?
Do you think he ever comes back?
Like, what do you think this is all about?
Oh, yeah.
Another part I forgot to mention.
So he said, like, oh, he doesn't even care about the media.
He doesn't care about public opinion.
He only cares about what his daughters think.
And so to prove to his daughters that he's telling the truth, he took nine lie detector tests.
Does that sound like a person who's just trying to prove his innocence or who's practicing how to pass a lot of tech talk?
Oh, that's great.
I took one PSAT, dog.
This motherfucker took nine.
Oh, my God, yo.
Like, real talk, nine, though?
Probably failed the first eight.
That's okay.
He's like, run that shit back.
Maybe you take nine of anything if you do it right the first time.
Name one thing you repeat nine times if you're doing it right.
Oh, fuck.
Son, and he said this publicly in an interview like he was doing something good.
You know what that feels like, you know, when you're at the carnival game and you try to throw the little ring on the fucking milk bottle?
You just keep telling, I run it back, yo.
No, I got it.
I didn't rape them all this time.
Oh, yeah.
This son is wild, so what you think, Mark?
Do you believe the accusers more considering that like they're coming out against the prominent black men like this week?
Yo.
Yeah, but this kind of came out a long time ago.
Oh, really?
Yeah, yeah.
So why is all the news breaking now?
Just because the documentary just dropped, probably.
Yo, HBO's wild for dropping that documentary right now, baby.
They don't give a fuck, yo.
I think they literally hide it.
Say what?
I think they tried to hide it.
Because they put on HBO Max.
Yeah, that new shit that nobody had.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
How is that different than HBO Go and HBO?
Nobody knows.
No idea.
They're really dropping the ball on this one.
Nobody knows.
They are, bro.
And that's what they thought was going to get everybody to sign up.
Yeah.
During the fucking Black Lives Matter protest.
I mean, they're fucking up left and right.
Who are they trying to get?
Yo, Peter, what's his name?
Got to go, yo.
Who's Peter?
What?
Oh, Peter Nielsen.
Oh, the dude I threw the bone too?
Peter Nielsen.
The dude I threw the scraps.
Yeah.
When I let him out of the scraps, bro.
What, bro?
You got to let Peter Nelson get them scraps, bro.
She made barbecue, dog.
That's it, dog.
You know what's interesting is scraps is what she's making on unemployment right now.
She didn't get that furlough.
She probably had to call her daddy for some money.
Son.
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Son, real talk.
My man, yo, when we found out, my man killed boxing, dogs.
I'm telling you, he got to go, yo.
He fucking up.
That's foul, bro.
Wait, he killed boxing on HBO?
Not exactly kill.
I don't want to put that all on him.
Obviously, you know, boxing has been in a transition phase, but like HBO did a lot of the boxing.
And then I think.
Yeah, Showtime's been killing.
Yeah, so McGregor Mayweather went over to Showtime with a massive contract.
Yeah, you let Mayweather go.
You let Boxing go.
Yeah, basically.
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Oh, yo, actually, I have already.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Like, so the Kyrie thing.
Oh, it's so heavy today.
But the Kyrie thing is interesting.
Did you hear about the Kyrie thing?
Yeah, Oh, yeah.
What a surprise.
Kyrie doesn't want to play basketball.
Hey, you know what this is?
This is Kyrie trying to be woke to fuck more white girls.
I know this guy.
I see through his hustle.
I see through you, Kyrie.
You don't think it's real?
You don't think it's legit?
What a stupid fucking argument.
Go, go, go, go.
Make it.
Oh, we can't affect social change if we play.
You know who wants to play?
LeBron James.
You know who's done a lot more for social change than you?
LeBron James.
Great argument.
LeBron is always on the front line speaking whenever he got to speak.
Kyrie talking about fucking three eyes the whole past year, not playing, complaining about not being the fucking alpha like he wants to be.
Where were you on social issues this whole time?
Great point.
Now your solution is to stay silent and do nothing.
And that's how you affect social change.
Great point.
I think that's a great point.
I actually feel.
Isn't it funny how we switch on the Chappelle position and this position?
Yeah.
You're like, Chappelle just going to let the streets talk?
And I'm like, yeah.
And then I'm like, Kyrie just going to let the streets talk?
And you're like, yeah.
And I think we actually both agree, which is like, like my issue is that Chappelle is like, yo, I'm going to let the streets talk.
And then he put out the special where he's talking.
But I'm sure you probably feel a similar way with Kyrie.
Right.
But so here's my thinking about it.
As much as I want fucking basketball, dog, as much as I want a sport, right?
We are in a very unique time in history where there can be a singular focus about one cause.
The entire world. is concerned about black lives, right?
And regardless if you want to accept this or not, a major part of that is there's not a lot else going on.
I know that sounds like a fucked up thing.
Does that sound fucked up to you?
No, that's a valid point.
It's a valid point.
There's not a lot coming on.
So when there's not a lot going on, you can focus on something.
When you don't, listen, there are so many people.
I know so many white people are like, listen, I don't want anything bad to happen to black people.
I want them to have equality.
Yo, there's a march.
I got to take my kids to soccer practice, man.
Like, I want to be there, but I got to take, my wife, I promise.
There's so many other things that you were going to do because we all have lives, dog.
We all have fucking lives.
And right now, there's nothing else to do.
The one activity you're allowed to do, even a fucking CDC, as bullshit as they are, we're like, yo, you can do this.
You can go outside.
You can march.
You can protest.
There's a singular focus on this issue.
The second other things start opening, right?
Yo, to your point, Tiger King was enough to distract us from racism.
Tiger King, the second these other things start opening, you're going to give us a thing to be distracted about.
Especially you're going to open almost right into the playoffs.
Yeah.
So now, are we going to watch LeBron play the fucking Celtics in the finals or are we going to go to this protest?
What are we going to do?
So do I think Kyrie's actions have for the most of his career publicly been selfish?
Just publicly.
I can't say what he does with his private life.
Publicly, have they been selfish?
Yes.
Yes.
So it's really hard to hear this from Kyrie and not assume selfishness, which I think is what you're doing, man.
I think it's 100%.
Leeway I'll give Chappelle.
You got leeway with me.
You are in credibility.
Kyrie has.
Where it hasn't, right?
But the thing that flipped me was not Kyrie.
It was Lou Williams.
Okay.
And I believe Lou, because that's a real motherfucker.
He's the guy.
There's a story that in Philly, somebody was going to carjack Lou Williams and then recognize it was Lou and Lou did so much in the community that he was like, nah, man, you're good.
And you know what he did?
He said, I'm going to take you to get some McDonald's, bro, because the guy just wanted food to eat.
Incredible.
So it's like Lou was like, we have the ability to focus on this right now.
Let's do it.
Now, the NBA said I think they're going to give $500 million if they start the season to the cause.
Yeah.
Right now, I actually think what is more valuable than money is attention.
Yeah.
So I really believe, and I've told this to my friends in the fucking league.
And I'm like, yo, honestly, the best thing for y'all all to do is cancel this season and put all the focus on this.
But before you cancel it, make sure there are specific demands that you want met.
I think if they ask for a specific thing, I don't care what the fuck it is.
You can end chokeholds, body cameras.
It could be reallocate the police, but a specific thing.
Who owns these teams, Akash?
Billionaires.
When billionaires get affected by things, shit starts to change.
That's true, dog.
We talked about this last week.
Economic sanction is the only peaceful way to make any change.
Because that economic sanction is violent.
We were talking about this.
We're going to do this on a piece.
In a society that values money over human life, and keep in mind, George Floyd was killed over a fake $20 bill.
So that's money.
They were willing to kill this motherfucker over a fake $20 bill.
In a society that values money over human life, people do not understand acts of violence towards humans as much as they understand acts of violence towards money.
That's why rioting was effective because it's coming for the money.
And when you cancel the season, you come for the billionaire's pockets, the most powerful, influential people.
You get that shit.
All of a sudden, they get wind of that, and they're going to go, I'm going to lose how many hundred million dollars this year.
What?
Nah.
That's a good point.
I'm calling up my governor.
I'm calling up my senator.
I'm calling up the police chief.
You activate those motherfuckers, you will get some real change.
And the only way you do that is you come for their fucking pockets.
And the only way you do that is you cancel the season.
Or you say, We're not starting the season until we get this specific demand met.
And it don't have to be the end-all-be-all.
It has to be something.
Use your leverage while you got it.
That's a good point.
That's what I'll say.
It's very rare I agree with Kyrie on anything.
That's a good point.
No, you got me.
Flip me.
Makes sense, Al.
Yeah.
And I agree with you 100%.
Mark, they hold out.
But they can't.
It's been decided already, right?
So that's the thing.
That's the thing about LeBron.
I don't think LeBron wants to hold out.
And it's very.
He wants his legacy.
He wants his ring.
He wants his ring.
He's getting old.
He's got a good shot this year.
And this is an interesting time where it's like LeBron has done so many amazing things.
This is where someone like, what's the fat black dude that's a sellout?
What's the name?
Whitlock.
Whitlock.
This is where you criticize LeBron.
Not when he's fucking opening schools.
Now he's doing this amazing stuff for the community.
You criticize him where it's like, we didn't hear you talk about anything with China because you didn't want to fuck up the bag, which is reasonable because you can do so much with the bag.
You've been so generous with your bag.
And now there's a situation where there is an argument to be made that the best thing to do is use your political leverage right now with the NBA and with these billionaires to actually make change and not start the league so they can pad their pockets with what little time they got left.
That's where some might say, yo, that's where your voice should go.
If LeBron sat out the playoffs, that would put him in another echelon of athlete too.
That puts him in the Muhammad Ali.
That's Ali.
Yeah.
And that's the only other guy in that category that's that great and is willing to sit out for something he believed in.
And who needs the money less?
Who needs it?
Like, if Lou Williams is willing to go, I don't need my check this year, fam.
Yeah.
Nah, but it's not, I don't think it's the money.
It's his body.
LeBron is doing it for his, because he's older and he wants a ring.
Oh, no, 100%.
100%.
I understand that, but like, he can't admit that.
Yeah.
Right?
Like, he can't go, well, I only got two more good years left.
He got to say, no, we can use this money and help the communities.
And he might really believe that.
And there's an argument for that.
Please poke holes if you see.
No, I'm just wondering: is it possible that the players don't have as much leverage as we think?
Like, is it possible that they're contractually obligated?
Like, if they sit out, well, David Strong has also, Adam Silver has also said, like, anybody who wants to sit out is fine to sit out.
If you're not in breach of contract, sit out.
He's been the most supportive.
Like, I know that, look, say what you want about Adam Silver, but he's a pushover, this, that, the other.
You cannot, as a player, not, you cannot think that this guy doesn't have your back, bro.
Yeah.
Like, he has been so fucking supportive for this.
Like, even throughout this whole process, the fact that he's like, I recognize if we restart this league, we are being selfish here.
We need to make a massive contribution to black lives to show that we can be selfish, but also try to push forward the agenda that you're doing.
Yeah.
So why doesn't he just stop the season?
Because he's got to answer to the he does a good job of because the commissioner works for the owners.
That's what people always say about Goodell.
You guys misunderstand.
Goodell doesn't work for the players.
He works for the owners.
Silver does a good job of working for the players and still keeping the players, working for the owners and still keeping the players' interests in mind.
So he will work for the owners.
Hey, let's do this season.
We'll make a lot of money.
Players, if you're not in breach of contract and you need to sit out, you feel like you want to sit out, go ahead.
And if LeBron sat out, just LeBron, the season might not happen.
And that would be massive.
Patrick Beverly said that shit.
He's like, if LeBron wants to play, we play.
And I clown him for that.
I was like, of course, if LeBron want to play, we play.
That's how this shit works.
If Schultz wants to change the time of the podcast, that's the fuck we're going to do.
If Charlamagne wants to change it on him, that's what the fuck you're going to do.
100%.
That's the world.
But that's a good point.
That if LeBron says we're going to sit, shit could change.
And I think it's, and don't sit without getting something out of sitting.
Yes.
Yes.
You know, it's like you go, listen, we are not playing unless, fuck this bubble shit in Orlando.
Fuck the COVID, this and the Corona, that, and got to swab everybody every day.
Fuck all that.
Don't sit unless a demand is met.
What is a specific demand that you can actually change?
Make it.
Yeah.
Undercover Cops War On Drugs00:10:26
What's up?
I'm just wondering, is there a situation where the owners can be like, yo, like, we can't affect police reform?
Yeah, they can.
And they're like, well, like, you're sitting out, you're disrupting the league.
You're affecting Americans.
Like, but what can us as owners do?
Use your political leverage.
You put money in every one of these politics.
You're a millionaire, you got political leverage.
Right.
Every single election, you are putting money in every candidate's pocket and you do that so that you use it.
Now it's time to use it.
Exact change.
So I'll be honest, and I don't know the most of it, so I'm just going to talk about it like I regular do.
But like, they got rid of undercover cops, or at least they're saying they're getting rid of undercover cops.
I thought you might be able to get this toward the bottom that they're getting rid of the undercover cop unit.
And then it made me start thinking, the fuck do we have undercover cops for?
Someone make the argument for undercover cops.
Because you have a better chance of infiltrating and noticing crime as opposed to it ain't your job.
Are you talking the anti-crime unit?
Yeah.
Yeah.
They call it that.
So see, I thought you might know.
But let's break this down.
Like, why did we ever have undercover cops?
Like, that to me is the legal closest thing to entrapment.
You know what entrapment is, right?
It's like where you kind of manipulate someone into breaking the law.
Yeah.
Right?
Give me a good example of entrapment.
I try to sell you drugs and then you buy them and then I get, I clip you for selling it.
I'm like, no, no, no, just get it.
Just come on.
Yeah, you leave a car with the keys in it.
And I used to work.
Oh, that's right.
They would do that.
They leave cars and the keys with the keys in it in the fucking hood.
And when the motherfucker take the hood, the car, they're like, oh, you stole a car.
So I used to work in the courts.
I would say 80% of the drug cases that were brought up, they're called buy-and-bust, which is an undercover cop goes, tries to buy drugs the moment they sell, the moment the money's exchanged for the drugs, boom, four other guys come rushing in and arrest that person.
Like almost 80% of the drug cases were buy and bust cases.
And that was undercover cops.
So it's like, if that's how they're getting drug deals off the streets, how else can you do it?
I think what they're talking about is not just the random person who acts as an undercover for a drug deal.
I think the undercovers that you see walking around with the sweatbands on their arm, that's how you can tell if it's an undercover.
They got the sweatband on their arm and the sweatband changes colors every day.
And that's how there's no friendly fire.
So it's like sometimes you see an orange sweat, but you see a dude in a regular ass cargo fucking pant outfit, the same like police sneakers and like the Yankee fitted, but they always have a sweatband on one arm.
Yeah, I've heard that.
And if you see that, that's how you know it.
Now, I think those dudes who are just walking around, you know, the dude who would stand by the turnstile waiting to give you a ticket for jumping his turnstile.
And it's just like, wear the fucking outfit.
Like, why are you not wearing the outfit?
Wear the outfit.
Yeah, because if you wear the outfit, then they won't do the crime right in front of you.
Exactly.
So the crime is still stopped.
But now someone who might need you and need your help at least sees you and they can go to you.
So you deter, right?
So you, in a way, you could deter less crime.
And now it just feels like we're being watched every second.
You know, like we all hate those cameras, right?
Those cameras that like give you a ticket for speeding, yeah.
It's like we hate them because you're just being watched the whole fucking time.
You create a police state like that.
Yeah, that's some low-key.
Now, listen, please look up the way to eliminate crime.
It is to arrest people.
Yeah, that's what it seems like if you're doing the anti-crime.
Yo, the job is to protect us.
The actual anti-crime arrest us.
The actual anti-crime is a guy in a police uniform.
That's anti-crime.
There's no crime happening when you see a police uniform.
Yeah.
This is just you do the crime and then we arrest you.
Yeah, I got to learn more about that.
Can you look up what the point of it is, Mark?
Are you looking it up?
So just piecing it together really quick.
Like, basically, on like covert operations were used a lot during war.
Yeah.
So like historically, like you send in spies to go like chill with the enemies, get intel, send it back.
And then if you need to blow that whole shit up, you can like start killing people from the inside.
So when we start the war on drugs, it's basically like an operation to try to infiltrate drug communities and try to like bust the people slinging drugs.
It's a war tactic.
Like it's a war.
So like it starts in like the 60s when like, I mean, it's existed prior to that, existed like in London with like all like that.
What is it?
The MS5 or whatever?
What's the British MI6?
MI6, yeah.
Like, so it started there, but like basically it's a war tactic kind of used during the war on drugs and like to try to like get criminals out of crime-ridden communities.
Why are you using war tactics against your own people?
They call it a war on drugs, war on poverty, all that shit.
Telling you, these practices, it's fucked up.
Here's the thing.
I get very concerned.
You don't have to get your own people and you don't even gas fucking war criminals.
Yeah, I get very concerned when America, like America's not good at finishing wars, right?
Like we've been in war constantly for like the last, what, 20 years, 30 years?
Yeah.
Right?
I don't want a war on drugs.
To me, a war on drugs is, oh, that's going on forever.
I don't want a war on drugs from an American standpoint.
I want some shit that we finish.
What's something that Americans do and then it's done?
You know, the war on poverty, I don't like this idea of war.
How do you kill poverty?
Like, stop using that terminology.
It doesn't even make sense.
I think that undercover shit is low-key absurd, bro.
Like, I think it should be illegal that police officers are walking around not looking like police officers.
Of course, we're going to do a little fucked up.
Of course, we're going to Jaywalk.
Like, this is part of life.
We don't want to live in like some, what is it, like, Russian police state where like you have to be worried about your neighbor snitching on you every second.
Nah, bro.
I mean, not to mention like the war on drugs is effectively just like a war on poor people.
Yeah.
I mean, like, it's poor people like.
And that was going to be my question about the anti-crime unit.
Do they tend to go to poor areas?
Do they tend to be in poor black areas, poor Latino areas?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, they go to the areas where there's like poor people because poor people are committing crime.
And in America, poor people are typically black.
Like it's the poor communities that are black.
So it's basically a war on black people.
I mean, and then not to mention there's CIA involvement in like trafficking drugs into black people.
That's another thing.
It's like, how dare you put drugs into the community and then say there's a war on drugs?
Don't get me started on this shit.
Don't get me started.
I've been doing this shit for so long.
Don't get me started on all this shit.
And that shit is declassified, too.
It's not even a conspiracy.
If you look at like CIA contra cocaine trafficking, they were just like at least implicitly involved in like bringing drugs into the poor community.
And my girl's family friend was one of the dudes who flew the plane.
Really?
Wow.
He was one of the dudes who flew the plane and he carried around every day of his life a note from the president or it was like from the CIA that gave him permission for what he did.
Oh, that's dope.
And one time he got picked up by the police and he got sent to jail for the, you were trafficking in drugs, this, that, the other.
He just said, call the lawyer.
The lawyer came in and he said, do you have the note?
They hand that motherfucker the note.
Is this that Tom Cruise movie?
No, a different guy.
Tom Cruise's movie was something.
That's what I thought at first.
I was like, yo, you know Tom Cruise.
This dude's still alive.
Because Tom Cruise that got got, right?
I think he got murked.
I don't know what that is.
I think he was doing it through like in Ohio or some shit like that.
Gives him the note.
They go to him.
Is this the only copy, by the way?
He goes, no, plenty of copies.
They let him walk.
Still out today.
Wow.
So that shit was real.
And this is why they did it.
Because you go to Nicaragua because there's obviously that conflict right there.
It was like the Contras and the Sandinistas, right?
Now you're like, all right, here's some guns, but we need payment for guns.
Well, Nicaragua ain't got no money.
So what you gonna pay us in?
What you gonna pay us in?
Yeah.
Cocaine.
Drugs, right?
Now I got drugs.
Fuck do I do with the drugs?
I gotta sell it somewhere, right?
Yeah.
That was actually, I saw 13th of the 13th of every call.
That was my one critique is they didn't mention that.
That's a declassified thing that the whole point is they're locking up black people because that's essentially free labor, slave labor.
And why wouldn't you mention they also pump the drugs into the black community and then threaten more harshly for crack than they do cocaine?
Like, why wouldn't you, why would you neglect?
That's a declassified file.
I had heard that 10, 15 years ago.
Why wouldn't you put that in the dock?
Because my only like, that's weird.
And I don't think it's a bad, I think it's a good documentary.
Everybody should watch it.
But I was like, that would have really hammered the point home, right?
Anyway.
Yeah.
What do you think would be the government's incentive to try to disrupt black communities?
Like, just to keep poor people down, you think?
Or like to try to use race as a way to like get people to fight?
That was also what I was because it seemed like racist practices and them not caring about black people.
You think they targeted black people specifically?
Yeah.
Because they're racist.
Less people care about black people.
I think they might have thought the lives are the most get away with it.
I think there's a lot of different things going on, right?
There's like an expand.
There's so many different layers to it.
One is an expanding police budget that needs to be justified.
And you justify that with arrests.
And what are the easiest arrests that you're going to get?
You're going to go into poor neighborhoods where these people, one, are not going to be able to fight the crimes like a rich person would, right?
And two, where they're going to be involved in more illegal activity because they're going to be doing more illegal things to make ends meet.
It's just the reality of the matter.
You might fucking steal cable.
None of my rich friends stole cable.
My poor friends would find the little black box and hook some shit up, do whatever it is.
That was the shit.
That was the shit back in the day.
So yeah, so I think, but I think there's a bunch of different fucking things, you know.
Yeah.
You know, I think that's just like one facet of it.
Of course, yeah, you could have the poor people fighting.
And we were talking about this yesterday.
But like you could create that kind of like class dynamic.
You could like control the lower class by having them picker amongst themselves.
Yeah.
I mean, who are the most racist people, right?
Yeah, poor people.
Poor people, right?
And of course, because they've been kind of fed that information to justify it.
So you have them fight amongst themselves because God forbid they come together, right?
They come together.
That's a powerful amount of people.
You make a lot of change.
Those people come together.
I mean, that's what MLK was saying, right?
He was going to do the poor person's march and they got him the fuck out of here.
Second, he was like, yo, we got to help poor people.
Second, Martin Luther King was like, yo, we got to help poor people.
They were like, what?
Yeah, when it wasn't.
CBD Class Control Dynamics00:02:29
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You ain't got no dreams.
When it wasn't just about black people.
It's like, no, it's poor people.
In Vietnam, he was like vehemently opposed to Vietnam and they fucking murdered.
Adios.
So yeah, there's certain agendas.
You know what I mean?
I thought in terms of that, I thought like, again, based on what I saw on the 13th, it was just like, there's that little thing, no slavery unless, of course, there's criminals or whatever.
I think they were just thinking like, all right, well, we need slaves.
These are already people that we kind of look at like that.
Like, let's, if we're going to have slaves, that's the easiest.
That's the easiest person to compartmentalize is like a group of people I've already done that to.
Yeah.
Yeah, maybe.
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Tulsa Juneteenth Black Wall00:04:35
Now, let's focus here.
Everybody focus here.
Let's be honest.
I want everybody listening at home.
I want y'all to be honest.
I want everybody to be honest right now.
Be honest.
I'm not talking about that at all.
I want everybody to be honest.
Okay.
Given your safety would be intact and nobody would see you there, would you go to the Trump rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma?
Akash says yes.
Remember, nobody would know that you were there.
Your safety was intact.
Yes.
Just to experience it.
I just need to know what's going on in there.
Boom.
Yes.
Boom.
Yeah, I would want to go see and experience any historical event that's like important, like regardless of how good or bad it is.
But why is this an important historical event?
You haven't gone through it.
Because Trump getting elected was history.
Trump elected.
We're talking about one specific.
Well, this was specifically because all the stuff around it was like Juneteenth, Tulsa, Oklahoma, all that shit.
I mean, this is, I agree with you.
He moved the date because he's pussy.
Right.
Keep going.
But like, I would go to that.
I think that was the intention the whole time.
I think he used that as a way to get buzz for it and then jumps the next day.
That shit is pussy.
Keep the I give it up to their marketing.
I think their marketing is on point.
And also, I think it's like it's really funny the way people reacted to the Juneteenth thing because like if he was somebody, if he was a politician that you thought was really like respectful of black people and like cared about black people doing it on Juneteenth, you'd be like, yo, how woke is he?
He's doing it on the day slavery ended and he's going to Tulsa.
That's the point though.
Oklahoma.
No, no, I know.
So it's like he's doing it in this place, you know, where Black Wall Street was burned down.
Like this guy is for us.
But the fact that everybody's like, he's racist, it looks as like it's an antagonistic act.
Does that make sense?
So you put whatever your views of Trump are onto the situation instead of just going, this is what it is.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Like if Obama did it, you'd be like, yo, he's the wokest, blackest dude ever.
He would do this.
This is our president.
But since Trump does it, it's like, he hates us.
Yeah, it's the exact same action.
Yeah.
So then why would he move the date?
But no, but of course you.
If his intentions are good, then don't move the date.
Yo, it is true.
He was like, yo, I didn't know, but there was this thing called Juneteenth.
And this thing did happen in Tulsa.
Like, he knew, and he was trying to rile up his baby.
I think that's what it was.
I think that it was used.
I bet you they ranted the shit for both days.
I don't think his intention was completely coincidental.
Let's go to Tulsa on Juneteenth.
I think he wanted to rebuild Black Wall Street.
I think that's his.
Make Black Wall Street great again.
Real talk.
Build the walls, bro.
Build a wall.
He loves that wall.
Yeah, but I would go and also go to Biden's situation because it's like the same way I look at news.
I'll watch CNN for a little bit and then I'll watch Fox News.
What if you go to Bulgaria?
What if when you go to Boston?
Alex said this to me yesterday.
He goes, yo, he goes, he goes, because I'm basically, I'm saying this.
I'm a, yo, I want to go to, I was like, yo, I want to go to it.
I want to witness it.
I think it'd be cool to witness it.
You know, he goes, yo, but we got to go to, we got to go to Biden's too.
Would you go to Biden's too?
Are you interested in going to Biden's too?
And I go, nothing would make me happier than to listen to that old man babble in front of 20,000 people.
And when I say that, I'm describing both of them.
But Biden's going to say crazy shit and Trump is going to say crazy shit.
I absolutely would love to go experience both of them.
It is an interesting thing.
You'd have to make sure your safety was on point.
Because what if he routed?
Me in particular, Al in particular.
Shit.
Yeah, yeah.
Anyway, look, man, you guys let us know.
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