Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh debate Judd Apatow's criticism of Louis C.K., arguing that Apatow enables cancel culture through virtue signaling rather than understanding context. They defend the comedian's right to perform inappropriate jokes where audiences react directly, contrasting this with Bill Cosby's alleged use of a "clean comic" persona as a cover for crimes, potentially halted by leaks similar to the Miko Grimes NFL scandal. Ultimately, the discussion challenges modern moral policing in comedy, suggesting that personal dislike often drives public condemnation over genuine artistic concerns. [Automatically generated summary]
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But listen, we started getting drunk during a regular episode.
You know, it's a marathon episode.
We lost Kaz.
We don't know where the fuck Kaz is.
Probably eating out his fucking hands.
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Oh, you missed that?
You weren't here last night.
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So basically, Kaz's girl got upset with him because he was sleeping and he was eating out his hands.
In his dreams.
Like in his dreams.
He was eating out his hands.
And his girlfriend was looking at it like pussy, bro.
And his girl got out of the set.
And we were like, bro, how is she upset at you?
You're so faithful that even in your wet dream, you please the girl.
Like even about you.
Crazy, right?
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Yo, watch that wire right there, dog.
You see, because that's connected to the TV.
All the way closed.
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So we just wanted to give an au revoir to Francis.
Thank you, guys.
Francis Ellis.
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Kaz, you go on that side right there.
Yo, he leaves a seat warm as fuck.
I don't know what he does.
That shit mad warm when he gets up.
It's called weighing 200 pounds, dog.
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Listen, it's the marathon that we need to get this out because I'm going to Japan on Friday.
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So, Francis, yo, make sure you check out Francis podcast called Oops.
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And I'll be on it when I come back.
When I come back from Japan, we'll make it happen.
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Francis, I still want to cook that thing up, man.
This is Patreon, so we could talk a little bit about it.
Yeah, yeah.
But I want to start, you know how in like sports they have like or basketball players, they have the Players Tribune.
I want to start the Comics Tribune.
And, you know, Francis is a great writer, and he claims to be a great editor.
And I think it'd be great if Francis was involved in that in some way or shape or form and shaping it.
But I want a place when a comic has a beef with something.
You know, if Louis C.K. wants to make a statement, if Dina Hashem wants to talk about her experience, I want a place where we can talk and it's not going to be politicized by anybody.
Well, obviously, Kaz, another journalist in the building.
You have to protect Schultz for the comic culture.
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Come on, for the comedy culture.
Yo, you know what I realized?
And this is what pissed me off about Judd Appentow.
It's like, comedy's been so good to me.
No, no, it's like comedy's been so good to me, so I could never really be critical of a comic unless I knew he like stole or I knew he was bad.
But like when Judd came out against P. Good, Francis, when Judd came out against fucking Louie and shit and didn't even really know what the whole context was, it was like, yo, comedy's son, comedy's been so good to you.
It's been so good.
Yeah, I think he was like letting his personal feelings about Louie because I don't think he likes Louie.
That's what I understand.
He hates Louie.
So, but yeah, it's like...
That makes a lot more sense.
I mean, how much you going to kick a guy?
You know?
At least I can have context for his lashing out.
Whereas before, I was just like, he struck me as a type of guy who loved stand-up, but like could never be a good stand-up and was good at something else.
But it always, he still thinks he's a stand-up.
It's like, bro, that's not what you said.
You did stand up.
You aren't a stand-up.
That's what I told him.
A couple guys went out of their way to just kick him.
No, I said, I was like, listen, I was like, you backed into this.
You know what I mean?
Like everything you say affects the guys that aren't you.
That's like you enable canceling people for jokes.
What do you think happens to these guys that do $1,500 weekends in Utah?
So what did he say when you said all that?
Because I heard you said that to him.
I was like, yeah, he's like, where did you hear that from?
Somebody at the seller was saying, like, you went up and you were like, hey, that's not cool.
Yeah.
He was sitting at the back table and just talking to everybody.
I was like, yo, what's up with the thing with Louie?
I didn't like jump down his throat.
I was like, just explain to me.
Talk to me about it.
And it's like, I just need to know where you're standing.
I just need to know where you are.
I don't think you're going to do anything for my career.
Yeah.
I don't think, not that I care for you to do anything.
I care about comedy at the end of the day.
So it's just like, what's up?
And he was like, yeah, I just thought it was an inappropriate joke.
And it's like, that's not up to you.
It's not your decision.
Who are you?
It's up to the audience.
Godfather of comedy?
Like, he's done a lot of work with survivors of Parkland.
And I respect that.
That's fine.
But on the same time, it's like, you guys.
He's telling a joke in a comedy club.
And he's right.
You would pick the fattest kid to put in front of you.
Yeah, but he's telling me that.
If you need a shield that was a kid, I would pick a fat kid that would be the most shield.
Yeah, 100%.
You would pick a skinny kid?
No, you just can't pick out the things you don't like because they affect you personally and say this person shouldn't be able to say this.
Man, come on.
Because then if everyone does that, then nobody can tell any jokes.
Son, there's no more comedy.
So what did he say, though, when you asked him that?
You know, he was just like, yeah, I just felt like, you know, it was inappropriate to joke.
And I was like, yeah, but you have to understand you're enabling a cancel culture that doesn't affect you.
You are affected zero by this culture.
Akash is.
So you have to look out for Akash because comedy's been good to you.
You know what I mean?
Like, Akash needs that weekend.
And what did he say as that?
He just kind of shrugged it off and kind of...
It's like, yeah, you know, I just, you know, I just was, I have a little close connections with these kids.
And I was like, yeah, but it doesn't matter.
You have to understand, like, it means more.
What you do means something to people, and you're enabling it.
And then it affects us all.
It's really becomes, it might not affect me, but it's going to affect somebody who's just getting into selling tickets.
Do you think he was virtue signaling a little bit?
Hey, I'm a great guy.
Of course.
Let everybody see how much I'm.
Because it's so popular to shit on Louie.
And that's the one thing.
That's the one thing that I get with people that have such a huge fucking platform and are so fucking famous.
Like, it's almost like they have pressure from people.
Like, oh my God, you have to say something, Judd.
You don't.
You have to say it.
And you don't.
You really fucking don't.
Like, especially if you're somebody who loves stand-up and loves the culture of comedy as much as you claim to.
It's like, bro, like, you should be the one telling people, like, you know, it's really not my place.
It's really not my place.
You don't have to say anything about it.
You don't have to tweet a single thing.
You don't know what, you know, he's just trying to make people laugh at the end of the day.
And people did laugh.
So it's just one of those things.
It's just one of the things.
He was reasonable with it.
Like, listen, say what you want about Judd, but that motherfucker executes.
It's like he does the hardest thing in this business.
Put a lot of money in people's pockets, too.
Simple as that.
Always respect.
Everybody got ideas for sketches.
Everybody got ideas for movies.
Very few people do them.
He's going to do the things that most comics won't do, which is write the script.
Yeah.
Most comics aren't going to write the one page.
They're not going to write the description of the show.
They're not going to do the pitch.
That motherfucker will do it.
And that's where he is, where he is.
Simple as that.
Does he write them or does like Seth write him?
And then I heard he does more of an outline, right?
And then people does it together.
In the beginning, he did it.
You don't get there by accident.
In the beginning, you do it.
And then eventually you earn the ability to not.
I'm not knocking that.
My only knock was, you can't come for us because we've been good to you.
We being comedy.
We've been good to you.
It takes a certain amount of, I don't know if it's gall or if it's balls or what to show up to the comedy club the next week after you do that.
Because he knows, I mean, first of all, I think he knows he's not talking to nobody when he talks to you, but he also knows where he is.
He's in, he's coming back home after talking shit about the family.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Like, so I think he was with him extra, like, yeah, I get where you're coming from, but here's where I'm coming from.
I think he was more like political or whatever the word is because he saying it a comedy thing.
That's a seller.
That's the fucking mecca.
That's the haven for comics.
That's a place to protect Louie.
Yeah.
That's the place that protected Louie because we believe in freedom of speech.
I don't agree with 90% of the people on that stage, but I believe in this.
And Jazz walking back in there.
And we'll let you in too.
But you're going to have to deal with everybody else.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, you know, I think the thing that got overlooked is like there was somebody who recorded a set.
Had a thing.
It's like that's probably cell phones before that.
And like all these things, it did well in the room.
Same shit with the room.
That whole concept when it was, what's his name?
From Daniel Tosh.
It was like, it did well in the room.
The whole room was laughing.
He wasn't telling it to be recorded for everyone to hear and judge.
That's why it's an issue.
Yeah.
If it doesn't do well in the room, they're okay.
The issue is when it does well in the room, they can't, nobody can stand being laughed at.
It drives them fucking nuts.
So an innocent comment made somewhere with no laughter, they can stomach.
But when a whole room full of people is laughing at the person you love and the person who you are, they're like, I need to get back.
I need payback.
I need payback against this evil person.
Yeah.
Louis comeback is going to be something.
Yo, low-key, that motherfucker is mad brave, son, because imagine everyone thought you were a rapist and you were still just walking around.
Duck, he addressed like, he had a line.
I forget what the line is, but he said something like that.
Do you really think he's a rapist?
Son, these bitches think he's a paper.
I just think he's just weird.
Because that's what he's doing.
He's like the tier of like the canceled and the whole time's up shit.
But for some reason, he's very low on the board.
It is.
But he's like high on the board.
I think it's because he was such a hero at everybody successful.
And he would grandstand a bit and he would judge everybody else.
And there was something, I was the number one guy shitting on Louie before.
I was just like, to me, he was not a great entertainer.
I always thought Bill Burr is as smart as Louie and much more entertaining.
Louie, I wanted to like and then I could never finish a special.
I was every time I was like, yeah, I'm just bored.
But I think he would, there was also something about his comedy that was like kind of like looking down at a lot of people.
And I think when you find out he is just this fucking whatever, it's like, oh, we feel betrayed by you and that kind of condescending thing.
Now we're going to bring that wrath down.
Yeah, that could be it.
And it was early in the me too.
And it wasn't as ridiculous as it was.
Like when it was hot, when like every week it was somebody, like he was one of the first big ones out there.
So it's like, it's going to take a while.
And he also made the big mistake that they all make of writing those long, embarrassing fucking apology letters.
But he also apologized.
Nobody cares about those apologies.
It just makes you look worse.
It's like admitting you did something wrong, especially when you didn't do with what you did is not commiserate to the punishment they're asking for.
And then you apologize on top of it.
It's like you're fucking admitting it.
You know what I mean?
You guys are right.
I'm a rapist.
But it's like, you're just a fucking creepy.
He's a creepy motherfucker, bro.
You know what Lion wanted me back over from Louie?
He got on stage and he said to the audience, I like to jerk off and I don't like being alone.
That's so good.
Yeah, yeah, that is great.
That's so good.
Yeah.
I forgot Joe said this, but now it's impossible.
But somebody said Bill Cosby should have done the same shit.
He tried to, a girl.
He said, he went to the bathroom in his show and he said, don't leave your drink open around me or something like that.
Some wild shit.
Yeah.
I was like, yo, we went back to stand up and just lean the fuck in.
Like, and he was a free man, obviously.
Like, it would have been awesome.
I think it would have been awesome.
What if he just started cursing?
Oh, if he just, I've been holding this in.
That's the thing, though.
He's holding it in because I was raping all these girls.
Damn, it worked as a cover for 40 years.
You didn't suspect shit.
Yo, if you ask any black person in the industry, they'll tell you Bill was about to buy NBC and then all of a sudden this news leaked on some Miko Grimes NFL type shit.
Yeah, but what is why would that be a conspiratorial shit?
Yeah, why would people care if he bought a gig or not?
Yeah, it's conspiratorial show.
People like it, but just back to like, you know, how like in certain culture, like Japanese culture, like they're super polite because they let them fuck with like tentacle porn.
Like they give that that ability to do that.
You're allowed to do that.
Maybe that was his tentacle porn.
Maybe it, maybe that, that his rape shit enabled him to be the best clean comic ever.
I mean, it's kind of well, that's like the Chappelle shit.
He rapes, but he saves.
That's kind of.
He saves, but he rapes.
No, I'm not saying it's good.
I'm just saying like he had that evil outlet so he could be this clean super guy.
I just think he might be a dirtback.
Like, you know, like every clean comic I come across, like, I admire it.
First of all, I admire it, but I'm going like, what are you hiding?
Bargatzi.
All of them.
It's like, and I know Bargatzi person.
What's his name?
I don't know why I felt about it.
You know, you ever drink with him?
Not talking.
Yeah.
I mean, he's wild.
He's just, you know, he goes wild.
Yeah.
Like what?
What does he do?
He'll say some wild stuff.
He'll curse.
Yeah.
What kind of wild stuff?
I mean, nothing, you know, just wild.
Just not the stuff you see in his act.
What kind of wild stuff?
Good man.
Yo, what's up?
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