Marco, Jack, Blockzilla, and Weezy dissect Game of Thrones' finale, praising Tyrion's arc and Drogon destroying the Iron Throne while criticizing Daenerys's rushed death and Jon Snow's unresolved Targaryen claim. They debate Sansa Stark as the true puppet master securing the North, question if George R.R. Martin finished the books, and analyze prophecies linking Sansa or Jon to the Prince That Was Promised. Ultimately, despite flaws in pacing and emotional connection compared to earlier seasons like Blackwater, the group acknowledges its legacy as a cultural unifier, even as streaming services diminish communal viewing experiences. [Automatically generated summary]
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Special Guest Intro00:02:56
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to another episode of Western.
Wow.
Western Bros.
What do I mean?
Everybody's laughing at me.
Everybody's laughing at me because I'm very hungover.
I'm severely hungover.
For once, I'm not the most hungover.
Yeah, and you know what?
You don't really come across as hungover, I just want to say usually.
He's Irish.
Yeah.
That's how it works.
But I'm Scottish.
Yeah.
I don't think you'd want to admit that when you came in here.
Damn, yo, Marco's been bullying me, bro.
He sensed weakness.
You know what I mean?
Like a wounded gazelle.
And he pounced, bro.
This guy's been pouncing.
The first thing I said, I was like, bro, I feel so vulnerable.
He's like, you look it.
I want to throw up.
He goes, what'd you say?
I was like, man, I feel like shit.
He goes, there's no way you could feel worse than your face looks.
We're on floor 12.
We didn't even get to 22 in the elevator yet.
This guy's a real jerk.
This guy's a real fucking jerk.
Anyway, we just watched the last episode of Game of Thrones.
First of all, I just want to stop and say thank you to everybody who's been watching this with us.
It's been crazy to see the show really blow up, man.
I think the first episode we did, maybe like 30,000 people listening.
And now I think we're at like 150,000 people or something like that.
Pretty big, pretty, pretty impressive.
So thank you guys for spreading the word.
That's been awesome.
So I think we should do what we did last week where we just kind of give some thoughts about the episode and then we'll go through the characters.
And we also got a special guest.
We got like a real TV film expert, besides Jack, of course.
A real TV film expert that's going to come break it down for us.
Maybe I should keep that as a secret, even though we're probably going to put his name in a title.
I never understand why podcasts do that.
Yeah, fuck.
It's a secret.
We got a special guest featuring.
Well, we got Tom Cruise here today.
So I'm really excited Tom Cruise is coming.
You know what I mean?
No, we got my man Blockzilla.
Zilla's in the building.
A little round of applause.
Okay.
Came all the way up from his lovely home in Georgia with a pool.
He made sure to let me know that.
He had a pool in his home.
Would have been nice to have a pool on daylight today.
I could drink a pool right now.
I thought you drank a pool last night.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe a good point.
Maybe a good point.
I'm here, by the way, with Haney, Marco, and Jack.
We got Alex Media over there as well.
And we got another special guest.
I don't know how long she's going to be here, but hopefully that she hangs out for the episode.
We got Wheezy.
Weezy in the building.
Weezy told me she's been getting almost sexually harassed by Flagrant 2 fans.
Not physical touch, but close, a thrusting motion at her with permission granted.
Yeah, they ask for consent, don't they?
See?
You know what I mean?
Keep it consensual.
That's our new slogan.
All right.
So let's get it going.
I'll start it off.
Drunk Throne Melting00:10:03
I really love the episode.
That's a hot take.
Let me tell you why.
I really love the episode, and I'll tell you why.
Really loved?
Loved.
Like, got emotional a couple times.
And I'll tell you why.
I felt like there was such a short leash in terms of what they could do.
Right?
Like, I. Whose fault was that?
But again, we're judging the episode.
All right.
Not the whole series.
Well, the whole series party.
Sure, let's do that too.
We're just judging the episode.
For me, that's all I'm talking about is the episode.
Not everything they could have done this season and added another season, all that.
Just what they did with what they had.
They had an hour and 20 minutes to button this up.
And in that hour and 20 minutes, Tyrion goes from being a bum all last two seasons to actually being a G, you know, using his mind to convince John to do some shit, right?
You know, obviously to kill Danny.
I love that flip.
I liked, I mean, we'll go through character by character, but I thought there were some things I did not predict in the episode.
I always liked that.
I wasn't a big fan of the dragon.
Like, what I don't understand what he understands when he doesn't.
Like, he didn't understand that she was murdered, but he understood that the throne was this evil thing.
Yeah.
Oh, he was cool.
He can't kill John, right?
Like, because he's a Targaryen.
Theoretically, there's a Targaryen angle.
Ah, I didn't know they can't.
I thought there was a battle of the Targaryen.
Symbolically, it's like what really killed her was her quest for power, was that throne.
I understand the symbolism of it.
Right.
I'm saying, like, the dragon taking issue with the throne.
Like, you could have lit that on fire whenever.
Well, we can't.
He was just pouring one out for Daenerys.
That's it.
That was his version of pouring one out.
Yeah.
Like, if nobody can have it, if I can't have it, nobody can have it.
Like, he's like, I'm so angry.
I have to put this rage somewhere.
It was his rage.
I was just putting it on that throne.
Yeah.
Yeah, but it was a cool image.
It was a cool image that they wanted to use.
I think it was just.
It was convenient that the throne was in the way of the fire.
No.
No, I think it was just specifically went for the throne because he was about to light up John, and then he turns his head a little bit to the right, melts a throne, does not stop blowing fire until the throne is melted.
And that's what, that's the beginning of breaking the circle.
The psych, what is that?
The circle.
The wheel.
The wheel.
The wheel, whatever.
Boiling over.
Boiling over out here.
So I think that was the beginning of breaking the wheel, right?
And then we see the wheel continue to be broken throughout other points in the episode.
And again, I want to go through each character and see what their journey was.
But the way they buttoned it up, even with John in the end, where John ends up, we think that he's going to be at Castle Black, but he really ends up being the king of the Wildlings or whatever the fuck that is.
He's remix.
The freemen.
Right?
You missed the metaphor with this fucking dragon in the seat.
I didn't miss it.
I caught up a seat.
Bro, guys, it is going to be a stretch today.
It's just a fucking seat.
And I love how they pick someone who already had a seat, you know.
What?
I don't know.
I didn't get that.
I missed the pushline.
Bran.
Okay.
Like, he's already had his chair.
Exactly.
Listen, budgetary restrictions.
You know, we couldn't pick someone that we'd have to remake the throne.
We have someone who already has it.
It's the mobile throne.
He's the king no matter where he goes.
So I loved it.
I really loved it.
The brand thing, I think that, you know, those are the highest odds in Vegas.
And someone must have leaked.
Of course.
Like, you know, one of these girls got drunk, or dudes got drunk at a party.
They're like, yo, Bran got that shit, blah, blah, blah.
And then it spread.
So that was a little bit of a bummer.
But had they hidden that better, I think it would have been really surprising and cool.
It wasn't.
It was not at all.
Had they hidden it better?
No, I was not.
I was thinking about it.
I thought the man was going to do it.
What's that?
You thought Bran was going to be.
At that point, I thought it could have been anybody.
I wasn't really.
But you heard the rumors.
Oh, yeah.
Like, you existed in America the last six weeks.
Yeah, I did not really listen to the rumors.
I knew about the line in Vegas.
There's been rumors about everyone.
Was it?
And you hear people make the spoilers on Sansa.
Yeah, he had the best odds, and he won it.
Okay.
What I'm saying is, if I didn't know that he had the best odds, it wouldn't have made it better.
It would have made it better for me.
Okay.
Because I would have never predicted Bran.
That'd be the last person that I predict would be Bran.
But that's my thoughts.
Well, Bran had to come in at some point, right?
He's been taking the back seat this whole season.
Sure.
Possibly.
What did you think of that episode, Jack?
All right.
My whole thing is, you said you got emotional?
Two, two, two times.
I was so emotionally removed at this point after this whole season.
So I was really numb to kind of everything, which is weird because the show has always been like, I've gotten emotional when I'm supposed to get emotional.
But someone told you Santa Claus doesn't exist like six weeks ago and you haven't been in the season.
Exactly, exactly.
You haven't been in the same sense.
Oh, yeah, you got Pencil.
Same kind of letdown.
Not even with the dog, his little Van Gogh dog.
That was a nice moment, but at this point, I was just like, you know what?
Let's be done with it.
It's over.
Okay.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
I mean, it's basically, we were worried that it was going to be the Disneification, which is what I called it of this show.
Right.
And this is basically the Disney version of what.
No, because wouldn't John end up on the throne in the Disney one?
All right.
Aside from that, I would say that.
Everything else is like pretty much tied it up with the bow.
Tyrion ends up being the hand for Bran.
That's Disney.
Everything goes back to basically, you know, the same structure except for the new democracy of the Electoral College.
Right.
Yeah, that's literally how the Electoral College happened.
Right.
They're like, why don't we let these idiots vote?
And they're like, what?
Yeah.
We'll decide.
You know, like, when Danny died, I literally was just, I couldn't care less.
Yeah, it was meaningless to me.
Totally meaningless.
Not surprised.
So here's a question for you, Onette.
Yeah.
So how do we create meaning for Manny after meaning from Danny after she's been for Manny?
Yeah, man.
Bro, I'm drunk.
Listen, after she's been such a villain, right?
It's like, you can't, right?
So it's like, would there be any way to get us to feel sad for her in any way?
I think the beauty of Game of Thrones was that we felt strongly about people that we weren't supposed to.
Okay.
And so that's what I always loved about the show.
And I felt nothing for Danny.
Yeah.
So to me, that's the failure of the show.
But maybe it's because she had no human connection.
Like, I think it was the human connection that made us feel, you know, or forgive Jamie for his transgressions.
Sure, but we saw that side to Jamie.
Like, all right, that scene between Tyrion and John where John's still standing up for Daenerys.
Yeah.
If this were pulled off the right way in a 10-episode season, maybe, or there was more time to develop Danny's turn.
That would have happened like...
That would have happened way earlier, but also we would have been more on John's side than just like, what the fuck is he talking about?
Right, right, right.
You know what?
They should have had John and Danny be intimate the whole time.
I think having John break off emotionally really isolates Danny.
And you're like, okay, I'm cool with this bitch dies.
But if he actually really loves her and they're in love and making out that there's one last person that she has a connection with on that planet and he killed.
Let's put it this way.
The last time John was in love was with a supposed enemy, right?
Yeah.
At the time, she was a wildling.
But when we had scenes with her and when she died, it was really emotional.
Yeah.
Because we were given the time to be with them and be with her and see both sides to it.
Danny is arguably the protagonist or the antagonist of the show.
And I felt nothing for her.
So they could have done that because I guess one of my biggest beef with the show is now after seeing it unfold is that like what did John's lineage actually mean?
Ultimately, nothing.
Nothing.
It meant it saved his life.
After the whole little council meeting, no one thought like, hey, man, he actually is of the right for no one brought that up.
Even if it didn't matter at that moment.
So that whole storyline is the number one question.
Why wouldn't someone just be like, by the way, Greyworm, that prisoner that you have, he's a true...
No one ever brought it up.
Claim to the throne.
Didn't come up once.
Like, why didn't that come up?
Was it because they knew John said, I don't want it.
And he's going to be opposed a little bit.
I don't know why they did it.
I just think it was, well, how are they going to bring it up?
They determined that they were going to do this.
Half the people there knew.
But no, no, what I'm...
Half the people there knew, but no one else knew.
But what you guys are forgetting is the Unselly wouldn't let him do it because they killed his right.
But still, but they can be like, he's actually your king.
He actually had more of a claim to the throne than the Unselly wasn't going to allow that.
Do you think you're saying that they're just so they were so irrational?
Greyworm.
But it was a conversation piece.
Could have brought it up.
We could have brought it up.
And the thing could have been brought up.
We could have tabled it for discussion.
And the unselling.
Yeah, come over.
Come over here.
Hold on one second.
We're getting you a mic now.
We're getting you a mic.
Okay, cool.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You don't got to bring up what's obvious.
It's just because you guys are feeling.
We got to make sure that the audio is all levels are good.
The camera's good.
Okay.
Yeah, give me a second.
Is that one on, though?
Yeah.
But what?
You only have the wide.
Oh, yeah.
So.
Let me come behind you or something.
Let's go right there.
Okay.
Go right there.
You slide back again.
You slide back.
You slide over.
Yeah, you slide over a little bit.
There's only a wide shot.
But then there's mortgage phones and sole things.
And then you kind of.
Yeah.
Okay, so.
How are we doing?
And then maybe you pull in a little bit, Jack.
What do you think?
Listen, thank you, Zilla, for ruining the fucking beginning of this episode.
I'm so sorry.
Couldn't wait better.
Couldn't wait 10 minutes to city.
Unsullied didn't want it to happen.
Yeah, Dean Sully didn't want it to be.
Everybody who's tuned out because we had to return to pieces of information that they don't know.
No, they know.
They don't know that.
They absolutely know.
Everyone knows.
You got to understand.
So at the end of season six, the showrunners for Game of Thrones said they don't want to do it anymore.
They said, we're not doing this.
They wanted 10 episodes.
Sansa's Northern Plan00:09:27
So they got the Star Wars trilogy.
So they said, we'll just give you two seasons and they shortened the season.
So they shoved 40 episodes into one season.
Understand that.
So it's all sped up.
The show is short as rush.
It's rush.
Fuck them.
Deion Sully.
We're going to get into that for sure.
Everyone knows.
So Deon Sully wouldn't allow that because they killed Daenerys.
So John could not be king at all.
So that's that.
But you got to understand that the show gave you everything they wanted to give you.
They gave you the Azura High prophecy, which was Danny's vision.
When she goes into the, what is it called?
The House of the Undead.
She goes to look for her dragons and she sees the Iron Throne burned down and she goes through that door and she goes back with Carl Drago and her baby.
That's her dying.
So that's she was going to die there regardless.
That was a foreshadow thing.
He sticks his heart into Nissanissa, pulls out, sticks a knife into Nissan Nissa's heart, which is Daenerys, pulls it out, Lightbringer comes out.
That was a prophecy that was always there.
So all the prophecies paid off.
Right, right.
They paid off in theory, but not in execution or not in theory.
I guess that's the other thing.
It's like, yes, they did everything they were supposed to, but there was a lot more juice left on that fruit, you know?
Yeah.
So that's what it felt.
It felt like someone was making orange juice by just squeezing a little bit and then throwing it away.
It felt like, you know how white people eat chicken wings?
That's what this felt like.
There's a lot of meat left on it.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
So it was like, how do we, like, how do we ramp up the emotion?
Like, I think we just sat here and figured out a cool way to ramp up the emotion of Danny, right?
Like, Danny and John.
Like, of course it's cool that he kills her because he's already shown her for the last three episodes.
He doesn't even love her.
He's just doing some shit that he agreed to.
It's like killing your substitute teacher.
You just, you're like, okay, I'm going to behave.
But what if they were in love?
What if she was pregnant?
What if something happened that was, what if he had to kill his pregnant wife because that was the best thing for the realm?
Like, whoa.
But that didn't happen.
I know.
You just got to accept what happened and what happened was great.
Yes.
Listen, I love the episode.
But see, you also got to understand that John was going on the same path that Ed Stark, Ned Stark, went on.
He was super loyal, super faithful, super just, I'm righteous, I'm righteous.
He was like, nah, I'm going to kill you, bitch.
Boom.
And he snuck her.
He broke all his morals to kill Da Nerva.
So that was the thing.
I enjoyed seeing John be like, you know what?
I'm going to give you a hug.
I'm going to give you the kiss that you've been trying to kiss me all season and I ain't give you shit.
And then, boom, knife to the heart.
You're dead.
He did make our way.
He had an arc.
That's.
So he did break his morals.
John has never broken his morals until that moment.
And wait, why is that breaking his morals, though?
You're my queen.
You're my queen.
You kill children.
I'm trying to justify it.
He was justifying everything until that moment.
He was like, you know what?
Tyrion, you're right.
I got to kill this bitch.
So to back up a point where you said, but also how bad they did it at the execution thing is like John essentially, that was his sacrifice.
This is me.
I'm going to kill you for the betterment of everyone.
And by doing it, I'm no longer going to be able to be on the throne.
Yeah.
Right?
But he never wanted it.
But they never actually fucking said that shit.
But he never wanted it.
He never wanted the throne.
So he wasn't like, to him, he wasn't giving it up.
He was just doing what he felt was better for the entire realm.
Tyrion convinced him that you know what is right and she doesn't.
And then when I think in that last scene, when she says they don't get to choose, that was when in his head it clicked like, okay, she is not the right person for this.
I'm going to kill her.
And I don't think he really cared what happened to him because that's always been his brand.
Like he's going to do the right thing regardless of what his consequences may be.
And then him and Tyrion are like the silent champions.
That's why when they brought out the book, that's like the record of what we just watched this entire series.
Tyrion's not mentioned once.
And it's like, oh, shit, he's actually the master manipulator of this entire.
So let's go on to that.
What was the point of that?
Yeah, it was bad.
The point of that.
What was the point?
Not whether it was the point.
The point of that was to show that you never know about the real people that pull the strings, right?
I think that's what it's supposed to say.
Like when we hear the legend of the past, Robert Trebellion or whatever, we don't know who was really pulling shit.
We hear about the legend of what's happening.
We hear about the people who made the decisions, not the people who convinced them to.
Or even just the people who were.
Everybody goes, the president bombed this country.
They don't go, his buddy Frank said it was in his best interest to bomb the country.
Right?
So, wow, that's interesting.
So in that moment, he realizes what he has zero place in history.
But the history is because of him.
Yeah.
But he foreshadowed that.
When he was a prisoner, he was talking to the seven councils.
He was like, the realm needs a story.
This is a story.
It doesn't matter what happens.
It's a story.
Who has the best story?
Brand has the best story.
Oh, I love that.
So his story was, but his story also got deleted.
But if you also think about it, he was a pawn.
Like, he was a pawn in Sansa's plan.
Because remember, it's Tyrion.
Ooh, okay.
Hot take coming.
Remember earlier in the season when Tyrion first got to Winterfell?
Yeah.
And she was like, why?
And Sansa said, why'd you think your sister was going to send armies?
That's your sister.
You know her better than I do.
And she goes, I used to think you was the smartest nigga in Westeros, but you're actually a fool.
And then when it was in the crypt and she was talking to him again, he was like, I could be up there thinking of something that might not be thought.
And she goes, you would be dead.
You would die.
Oh, she should hunt him all.
She was in on the whole episode.
So then, so go back to last episode when Tyrion walks in on Daenerys and he goes, you've been betrayed by Varys.
She goes, no, it was Jon Snow.
And he goes, no.
And she goes, Daenerys goes, who told you?
And he goes, Sansa.
Why did Sansa tell you?
Why do you think she trusts you?
And he goes, because she trusts me.
He goes, why?
She trusts you to spread lies.
This was all Sansa's plan.
Ah, okay, okay.
So now if you go back to this episode, Sansa goes to John.
She goes, I'm sorry, but this was the only way for it to happen.
So all of this was Sansa's plan.
You got to understand who raised Sansa.
Little Finger and Cersei raised Sansa.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So she's been a 2.0.
She's been schooled by Cersei.
So when you see her at the end of this episode on the throne in the north, that's Cersei.
But she was more apologizing because she agreed to send him to the North.
She was apologizing because she was a deeper apology.
She apologized because she started this whole thing.
How did the Game of Thrones start?
The Game of Thrones start when Littlefinger killed Lord Aaron.
And remember, when he had Sansa, he was schooling her.
He told her the whole plan.
You got to go back to that.
So this is her plan.
She set all of this in motion to get Brand on the throne.
Everybody who's in power is a start.
Hold on, hold on.
She sounded like she didn't want Brand on the throne.
Yo, it sounded like she wanted the throne or she wanted a throne.
She never wanted to go back.
Remember, she said, I'm never going back to, I'm never going back to King's Landing again.
But she was there.
But she went back there because she had to go to make her.
Yo, it seemed like she wanted the throne.
And when they were like, Dorn, you're not going to get it.
She was like, all right, well, then we're going to have our own.
She just wanted the North.
She always wanted the North.
When she told Dude to sit down, that was holy.
She just wanted the North.
That's how I fell in the elevator with Marvel.
Robin Aaron.
By the way, come on.
Robin juiced him up.
He really did.
I know.
I was a little juicy.
My snow stood up and nominated Robin.
That giant smoke made me dude was living life in the veil, bro.
Getting ready.
Yo.
He's talking about his check on some real titties now.
Oh, for real.
Yeah, I thought Brianne was pregnant when she was writing in that book.
I was the father of my child.
Yeah.
Wait, okay.
So you think, this is a very spicy hot take right here.
You think that this whole thing was designed, the whole story is designed by Sansa to free the North from the realm.
Yes.
Whoa.
I mean, that was definitely her agenda.
Remember the conversation with Daenerys and Sansa?
Yeah.
She goes, we'll follow you if you give us a north.
The north will never bend the knee again.
We'll never bend the knee again.
When do you think that that idea took place for her?
What season?
Are you saying in the scene?
I think we're giving her too much credit.
That's what I'm saying.
That's why they take it spicy.
Like, if you think from season one, you giving her too much credit.
Remember last season?
Remember last season when John was going to war and she was like, just listen to me.
She won the Battle of the Bastards.
Who won the Battle of the Bastards?
Not John.
No, Sansa.
Sansa won Battle of the Bastards.
She's like, you need to listen to me.
I'm smarter than you think.
I'm smarter than you think.
No one listens to me.
And she goes, you went over there to this dragon queen and you bent the knee after we done said, we'll never bend the knee again.
We'll never bend the knee again.
So this was all her plan.
She's conniving.
But what happens if...
All right, let's say Tyrion doesn't have that intervention with John and convince him to kill Danny.
What happens then to Sansa's plan?
Sansa was going to make her plan.
She said, remember at the beginning, she said, the whole northern, the whole North is outside these gates.
So she was just.
But if John didn't bend the knee, Danny would have never came to Winterfeld to see what she was doing.
She understood that had to happen, but she was like, this your queen now?
You said you were going to go get these soldiers to come fight.
You didn't say you was going to bend the knee.
She knew that he was going to bend the knee, though.
She did.
She knew he was going to bend the knee.
And she was furious, but she knew.
And there was even that line where it was something about, you know, love makes you do stupid things or whatever.
So she knew he was going to bend the knee.
But this is really interesting.
Like, this is interesting to peel back the game, right?
And look at everybody's objective in the game.
Tyrion Intervention Gone Wrong00:14:58
Just because, hmm, this is very interesting.
Because everybody has something that they want.
Obviously, with Danny, it was the easiest.
It was the Iron Throne, right?
Sansa just free the North.
So all these other things are happening, and she's going to have the North.
Fair.
Or the Queen of the North, right?
But it's like, so basically, she's cooking things up.
Like, okay, I don't care about the slaves being freed and Marie.
That means nothing to me.
Once it comes over here, this is the only thing that I'm going to do, and I'm going to cook things up.
And you know what?
Maybe rushing the season made that a little bit too foggy.
It could have been way more.
I'm curious to see when the book comes out if that's something that's more really fleshed out in the book.
I'm curious to see.
Real quick, have we spoken about this?
Because I've had so many Game of Thrones conversations.
I always think they're Western Bros by the time we come here.
But I think both of those books are done.
That's the hot take.
That's my theory, right?
I think he finished both the books, right?
And then the publisher, he's talking to publisher.
He's like, yeah, let's get these out.
And they're like, no, stupid.
So they had to get into it.
And they're like, what are you talking about?
They're like, listen, this is about to be the biggest show in the world.
You let them be the biggest show in the world.
We know the books are going to be different than how they do the thing.
They don't want to ruin the ending.
We said one time.
You want to ruin the ending too now, right?
No, I think they might have a similar ending just because they told him.
Why didn't he roll the books up ahead of those?
Maybe it's still because he won't be like, guys, those books don't come out.
No, back it up, back it up.
This is what I would do, right?
If I'm writing a book, right?
And you see exponential growth on a TV show that's based on a book, right?
I have two more books left.
The TV show is going to go on without it, right?
You have fans that are having podcasts like us.
There are tons of YouTube videos.
Everybody wants to know what this George R. Martin guy really has to say, right?
And we'll accept the HBO version, but there's a real version.
Why not let the show reach a critical mass, then drop the books?
Well, also.
Because now you have 150 million people that are going to buy the books instead of 100 million that we're going to buy at season six.
So as our business get there, but also why not, when you're selling the books, advertise it as the real ending, though.
The ending that's going to be.
And then you get the real.
Exactly, exactly.
So it's like.
So Robin Aaron is a thing.
So there's still a chance.
What I'm saying is business-wise, that's what I would have done.
And I just find it hard to believe this guy has had, this guy knows exactly what's going on.
Come on.
So the actor who plays Sir Barrist and Selmy, like an old British dude, character actor.
Not happy.
Not happy about his character.
In that interview, he's close with George, I guess, and he said he has confirmation that the two books are finished.
And then after the fact, George came out and said, I haven't finished the books.
He doesn't know what he's talking about.
I knew it, bro.
Alex, have I not been saying that shit?
You have been.
Yo.
You guys are going to read the books?
Hell yeah.
I'm reading that.
So I was always like, from the show, I'm going to start it.
I'm going to ask how long the audio version is.
When I see it's 4,000 hours, I'm going to be like, all right, someone will just tell me what it's like.
No, I'll listen to them books.
I'll listen.
Oh, why don't they have the actors voice the audio books?
That'd be so complex.
That'd be dope.
Wouldn't that be dope, though?
To pull that off, they'd have to pay them like at this point.
Yo, can we talk about how Cersei got paid a million dollars an episode to drink wine?
$500,000.
To drink wine.
Yeah.
That's okay.
No, no, no.
She's just literally on a balcony.
She was only in like two episodes a season, though.
Oh, wait.
I thought she was in every one.
Nah.
No, they had the whole battle of Winterfall.
She wasn't in the single.
Oh, sneaky.
Sneaky.
Again, that's the problem, right?
Like, when I saw Cersei and Jamie in the rubble, I was completely numb to it.
Maybe Jamie, a little more affected by it, but Cersei, I was like, I thought, in my mind, she'd been dead already because she was gone for so long.
Yeah.
And like her character is literally dead before she died because her character wasn't doing anything.
Right.
Like that we know about it.
I love the way Cersei died.
She died in the most meaningless way.
No one will sing songs about her.
Everybody in Game of Thrones like, you will go out and do this.
They will sing songs about you.
And they risk their lives and they go and die for songs to be sung about them.
No one's singing the song about the girl who died.
Yeah, but no one would have known who's a miserable, miserable, crying death.
The most meek death you could ever have.
And I'm cool with that.
I'm cool with that.
I'm super excited, though, to switch subjects about this episode we just watched because it seems to me like they set up an Aria spin-off.
Or I was going to say, what if they go like HBO does this a lot with their big shows like Entourage and Sex in the City?
They go movie route, one or two movies post-show.
They kind of left a lot of shit for like...
They did.
Like what?
Like, all right, the dead body of Danny, right?
Like, theoretically in this magic realm.
Yeah, yeah.
She could be brought back to life.
Right.
I'm just saying, like, we don't know where Drogon is.
We don't know what's east or what's west of Westeros.
Aria's about to go like on this show.
Westeros was West.
I didn't understand that at all.
That whole thing.
I guess there's.
And that's why I'm saying that's the whole show.
That's a whole show.
Yeah, no.
And they're going to do spin-offs that are on production.
There's prequels, but there's going to be sequels, too.
Of course.
And Aria's the fan favorite far and away.
Is she?
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah.
I am not strong character.
With the jump man, with the knife.
Yeah.
No, man.
First of all, it's a great chart.
But I'm saying she's clearly the fan favorite.
But what are we so excited to see her do?
What is compelling?
King's Landing Cancer?
King's Landing?
No, she's sort of, she's way less interesting.
She's way less.
Was that supposed to be interesting?
It started as Ash and then it was snow.
Oh, it was.
Remember the Drogon's like shaking off the snow?
That was all snow.
I thought that was Ash.
I thought it was a snow in King's Landing.
And I thought winter's over.
Like, where the fuck did that start?
And winter is over because they made sure to tell us when he was going to the wilding spot.
Did you guys see that one little weed growing out of the snow?
Yeah, it's like summer.
Winter's already over?
Summer's here.
As soon as the Night King died, it was over.
That's it.
He's bringing winter.
Yeah, it's not like how seasons work.
Yeah, that was Ash.
That was Ash, right?
But that shit like looked-I don't know, man.
I got confused halfway through it.
There were two good dragon reveals in the last two episodes.
That dragon reveal out of the ash was what about the imagery of Danny walking up where she dresses like the third round?
Loved it.
The wings behind her.
Yeah.
Yo, but what about where the fuck did she get that black leather?
John Varvados is all the sun.
That was different, right?
That was a different outfit.
That was she just burnt the whole shit down.
She had an outfit change.
Where the fuck did she get that shit?
It's his fiancé, bro.
Varvados.
Bro.
Is there like a little pouch in the back of the dragon that she keeps outfits in?
Everybody in the council was decked out.
Gendry had some like Wolverine.
Yeah, Gendry was lit.
Yeah.
What the fuck was that about?
Gendry's been home.
He got an old castle.
Yeah.
And Braun came.
No money.
He's been eating the game.
Bron doesn't address it.
All the stuff.
Dude.
Yeah.
The whole shit's so empty.
We want houses.
We want blocks.
Buck chips.
Brothers.
Yo, by the way, so I actually love the episode.
Okay.
Except for the brand thing.
I fucking.
I mean, that's a pretty big piece of it.
Why do you love the episode?
Why do you love the episode?
I thought it felt like an old Game of Thrones episode was like entertaining.
Like the John Tyrion scene was like old school Game of Thrones, like that dialogue.
I laughed at the times.
So that there was an actual scene and they were talking?
Yeah.
That we haven't had that all season.
Yeah.
It might have been my favorite episode of the season.
Woo!
Wow.
Except for the fucking branding.
That shit really.
You tell me why you're not.
I'm so annoyed that Bran is on the throne.
Why?
He even acted like a dickhead as soon as he got it.
Yeah, he goes, that was fucking sad.
Why do you think I came all this way?
Yeah.
Shut the fuck up.
Seriously.
I knew you would say that.
Annoying would it be to argue with Bran, right?
We'll see.
By the way, they didn't kick rocks.
By the way, now he's going to wargant to fucking Drogon.
Are you like?
No, he's going to look for him.
He's going to look for him.
He's going to go play video games while Tyrion runs.
Like, what really changed?
Bro, what really changed?
Nothing changed.
It's dumb.
He stuck himself last time.
I just got Oculus.
I watched eight seasons for Bran.
And I didn't want Sansa to end up on the throne.
And quite honestly, when she threw a little fit at the fucking council meeting, honestly, man, I know there's Sansa hive out there, but like, yo, man, fuck Sansa.
Fuck Sansa.
Sansa's running this whole thing.
Great.
You don't think she controls her little brother?
Dude.
Sansa is the true.
You think she controls Bran?
He's supposed to be not Bran anymore.
No, he's not Bran anymore.
Y'all think she's got control over?
No, she don't.
Let's hear why.
You are triggered.
Let's hear why.
I've never seen Haney this up.
So hold him back.
Did you eat yet, bro?
I know it's Ramadan, but like, God, man, somebody got to sleep.
What's his face is playing with no water or food?
You can't do a podcast without getting cranky.
What's the guy's name on the trail list?
Yeah, Ian is.
What?
It's past 8:20.
What?
Nothing.
You're bringing Saxon to the throne.
Thank you, Marco, for bringing the facts into the jokes.
We always need a fact checker for our jokes over here on West.
No, Mark.
I waited three hours.
I was so wrapped up in Game of Thrones, I forgot to eat three extra hours.
Technically, Ramadan ends up.
I'm 20 of the Eastern Tanner time.
Go ahead.
No, go ahead, bro.
Go ahead.
No, I just think Sansa control not controls him, but he's very prestigious.
You are the king of Sansa Hive.
I'm absolutely Sansa Hive.
Fuck Sansa Hive.
This whole thing was her.
She picked up the Game of Thrones that was sparked off by Littlefinger.
That's what she did.
She definitely, she's playing it.
And you got to go back to what Cersei said.
So he says, when you play the Game of Thrones, you win and you die.
Who was the only person pictured on the throne this episode?
Sansa.
Sansa.
Which throne got burned down?
The Iron Throne.
There's only one throne in the whole Seven Kingdoms, and that's Sansa's.
So you have the ability.
I think what you're talking about is true, but I guess what I'm saying is like in the old thrones, that would have been laid out more clear.
Absolutely.
And I'm curious to see if the books corroborate what he said.
They got a lot of pages.
You have the ability to kind of look at it and be able to see that.
No, I'm just looking at this episode by episode and going.
From what they gave you.
From what they gave you.
And what they gave us wasn't what.
So we got two different things going on, which I think is a good point.
One is idea, the other is execution.
Idea might be that Sansa ran his whole shit from the jump on some Kaiser Sosi.
She definitely did.
It could be that.
Now, the way they executed that, which probably would have taken minimum two full seasons more for like the reveal, like, oh, shit, she's really the puppet master.
You don't do that in six episodes.
Right.
So you saw it?
You saw it because I think you've been Sansa Hive.
And then the rest of us, and I like Sansa, but I was like, all right, this is working out kind of with her, but I don't think that she's orchestrating the whole shit from the jump.
That could be what was intended, but you can at least admit that they could have executed it better than they did.
They could have spelled it out more.
I don't think they did that.
I think they just left it up for interpretation, which I personally enjoy.
Because you don't mention Sansa in that discussion between Tyrion and Danny if she's not important.
You don't mention her.
So at the beginning of the last episode, we talk about Sansa.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they show her in that clip.
So you don't mention that or show that if that's not important.
Yeah.
Now, she wanted that throne, bro.
Because she went down to the crypt very quickly.
Like, all the other women in Winterfoe was like, I can fight.
Even like the little girls were like, I can fight.
And Sansa was like, the crypt?
I'm going.
Is that downstairs?
Where?
Okay.
Y'all figure it out.
Survive and events.
Exactly, right?
Okay, you hated it that episode.
Yeah, that was terrible.
Tell us why.
I hate it at all.
All right.
So it was like the side on that Drake just like, oh, man.
The audacity.
All right, come, talk to us.
So, Tyrion has now gone from death row to hand of the king twice.
Like, that whole concept is tied.
Three times.
That whole concept is extremely tired to me now.
Right?
That's number one.
Number two, listen.
What were those times just so we can the first one to Joffrey?
Was to Joffrey.
Right.
Right.
And then he went, I guess he was a prisoner of John to Danny.
Yeah, yeah.
Here he is in custody.
Okay.
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
Then he's the one who also has to fight for his own life, theoretical justice, and Grey Worm clearly wanted justice.
Right.
Like, he became the one that just everyone listened to.
Yeah.
Smartest man in the realm.
I think that's what they're trying to say, but I understand that they've done it a few times.
But the other people who are sitting there, what is their relationship to Tyrion?
Why they feel compelled to listen to him?
They don't fucking know.
I think the writers would like you to believe that they are so wowed by his brilliance that they're going to be.
His reputation is, as we talked about this before, is unknown, right?
The other thing that happened, which I also didn't like at the end of this, it's unknown.
The Battle of Blackwater.
No one knows Tyrion was the real hero of the Battle of Blackwater.
He was the real hero of the Battle of Blackwater.
Let me guess, Sansa.
No shit.
When he came up with the whole thing, Sansa did Blackwater.
They came up with the whole wildfire plan.
It was Tywin and the Telly Army, who was the king.
But if they didn't ask me, they would have sacked it.
They would have sacked it.
When they swooped in, where was Tyrion?
On the ground with his face split open.
But he held them all falling up.
It would have been over before they came.
He was about to lose.
He was about to die.
Anti-Tyrion all in the world.
He was about to die.
If he had a bad battle plan.
Well, two things.
He had a bad battle plan because they lost.
They lost the battle.
The only reason they won the battle of Blackworm was Tywin did.
It does say W. Tyword and Bay W. That's fine.
But America in the Revolutionary War, it's like we lost a lot of that battle.
The Tyrone was Jordan.
Tyr guy was Michael Jordan, right?
And Steve Currow was Tywin.
Yep, exactly.
That's exactly who I lost.
That's good.
But Jordan still had 40 in that game.
That's the thing.
Did Tyrion have 40 when he ended up?
No, no, I was like, a good 30.
I don't know how to efficiency.
So let's go back to that battle.
Let's go back to that battle.
The events metrics were crazy.
He blew up the ships.
The soldiers came to...
He didn't score 30.
But you know what he did?
He limited their best player to 15.
But I see what you're saying.
My point is the show D.
I see what you're saying.
I think there's an argument there.
The problem I have is what the show wanted you to feel that he got shafted when they talk about him.
I'm telling you, Sarah.
Why you battle that?
I love it.
The show.
Fuck.
That's what I thought the ending was an ode to that, was that he was not going to be mentioned.
Any record of him being involved was expunged.
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That was like Joffrey's thing.
No one would ever know that Tyrion was even there.
Forget it that he gave that big speech or whatever.
So then at the end, it's the same thing.
He's not there.
So I forgot where we were going with this.
You were tired of that same trope where he goes from the bottom.
You were like, why are they listening to him even though?
Exactly.
Because the other people from the, you know, Robin from the Veil, all the different other lanes.
Like, they don't have a relationship to Tyrion.
So that I didn't understand.
Brandon the Broken is just like a terrible name.
What stupidity?
I hate that.
But that's just an insult professional.
It was a great name.
It was when he called him Lord of Lofty Titles.
That's great.
Dravos called Bron Lord of Lofty Titles.
I love that.
That shit was fine.
I don't know if I get a vote, but that was great.
So that was the thing.
And then the other thing was, where did we really end up?
Because like we fucking started exceptionally, you have a king who I like, I don't know.
I know that there's things in the books that reveal things about Brand that just people who watch the show don't know about him.
He didn't really inspire a lot of confidence in me that he's going to be a good leader.
First, he had kind of a dickhead comment that he was like, oh, yeah, that's why I'm here.
I'm going to be king.
And then he's sitting, and then he's sitting there.
He's like, all right, everyone's here.
All right, you know what?
I'm going to go look at this fucking dragon.
No, he literally was like, I have better things to do.
Which is to look for a dragon.
Like, I don't understand the significance.
But all the kings did.
Right.
So we're right back where we started.
Right, exactly.
He wants to do some shit that he wants to do, which is like, look for a dragon.
Fine.
Play video games, whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tyrion is now backing the hand.
You have fucking Bron wants to build brothels.
Like we went all the way backwards.
But that's also, I think, and then John goes to the wall to really put the cherry on the cake here.
Well, he goes to be a wildling.
He's the king beyond.
He's the king beyond the water.
But in theory, they were like, oh, we're just going to send you back to the wall.
You fucked up.
Well, that's the cost of.
But the back to the wall was a move, right?
That was a move by Sansa.
And I'll give Sansa credit for that.
When that was like, hey, this is going to be the punishment.
You get life in prison.
Greyworm goes, all right, bet that works.
And then the second he's there, it's like, I'm John.
I'm telling you, trial by combat.
Tell Greyworm to come get something.
That's how I would have looked at each other.
And if it was eight episodes, we would have had to do it.
I would have loved to see Grey Worm in Nath, though.
I would have loved to see him like chilling on the beach.
Some brothel chick massaging his ears.
I would have loved to see that.
You also need to understand about Tyrion.
The Blackwater battle when Tyrion was knocked out for like two weeks.
And then Varys came back and he was like, Yeah, Tybon won the war.
You didn't do shit.
So there was no record of Tyrion ever winning the war.
And since then, he has done nothing.
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Right.
I'll agree.
He's been a hypocrite.
He had an trash, yeah.
So that's why he's not in this book.
But he's not even in the book at the end when he was the one who organizes the murder of Danny.
And he, you know, so wise.
They voted Brown Hood.
The only person that knows Blackwater is Varys.
Remember, Veris said, at least I know who really won the war.
Right.
And the other thing was, they say, she says when she's talking about breaking the wheel, stalks and Targaryens and Baratheans.
And I don't know.
I go, well, now it just starts.
We're right back.
Now it just starts.
I get the name, right?
No, you got the name, but you turned into a Long Island housewife.
It was starks and Targaryens and the Battle of Blackwaters.
It's too much.
How many clams must I make?
You're making me noise.
I can't make enough clams for everybody.
These stocks, they just see clams all day.
All right.
No, I mean, I guess that's also kind of the point: is like, if you're not going to go the radical route, which was definitely Danny in this case, it's inevitable that it's going to go back to some kind of question.
Right?
Did you guys think it was cool that Danny was killed pretty early in the episode?
Yo, I did because I didn't think she would die at that second.
So I knew she would die this episode.
I didn't think she would die.
I thought she would die like 35 minutes later.
I mean, so when I heard the, I was like, oh shit.
You really didn't see that coming?
No, no, not at that second.
Not when they played the Disney music and they were making out.
I was like, it's happening right now.
Music?
I don't even hear the fucking music.
You never heard a ring.
It was a volume off, baby.
Yeah.
Put that baby in another room.
You turned it a volume off, fam.
God damn.
That was the exact prophecy.
When I saw her walking, I was like, okay, that's going to happen because when she goes in that prophecy, she walks out the door and that's her dying.
So speaking of your prophecies, then who was the prince that was promised?
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
So here's my hunch.
I don't know.
So Arya or John.
We got to make a decision.
Here's my hunch.
Okay.
The princess who was promised is Sansa.
She, she, shocking.
Who in this show was promised that?
No, is Joe Jonas paying you right now?
Wait, let me break down my theory.
And I'm drinking this out to the killers.
Jonas serious.
That's how you got the pool.
Who's promised?
Sansa was promised the throne.
She was promised to Joffrey.
She didn't get Joffrey.
She never married Joffrey.
She ended up marrying Marjorie.
She was promised mercy.
She never got promised mercy.
Her dad never got mercy.
She was promised by Littlefinger that he would never do harm.
She got raped by everybody.
Literally everybody.
So the only prince or princess who was promised anything was Sansa, who was also the only one on the throne, the prince S who was promised.
So the prince whose promise was just wrong.
The prince was promised.
That's how you interpret it.
It's how you interpret it.
Okay, so where's the sword that's bearing light?
I think that was John.
That was John into Nissanissa, pull it out, and it was Lightbringer, which is why the throne melted down.
And what about the ending of the long night?
The dark night or whatever.
Well, now it's over.
Long night.
Right, but Arya was the one who ended it.
Yeah, John should have got the Night King.
I don't know, but whatever.
So we're just all over the place with this prophecy coming true.
Okay.
It's a metaphor.
Let's break down this prophecy again.
One prophecy was that you were speaking of that a prince was going to end the long night?
The prince of the prince was promised.
No, Zora High is the prince that was promised, right?
And part of the prophecy is that the show stopped using the term around season like five.
But it was mentioned all the time initially.
Yeah.
By the Red Witch.
She would always talk about the prince that was promised.
Right.
And then the Prince Suze Promise was going to do all these things that Jack's going to read us now.
I don't know.
It's Arya.
Because that's who.
When she was like, you're going to kill green eyes, blue eyes, red eyes.
But that wasn't the principle's promise.
That was just some shit that she said to him.
I think that was an act.
I thought that was coincidence.
I think they called back to that line.
That was purely coincidence.
I think when they wrote that shit, they had no intention of that actually being like, oh, blue eyes for White Walkers.
That was convenient, I think.
All right, here's the prophecy.
Interesting.
There will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world.
In this dread hour, a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword, and that sword will be Lightbringer.
The red sword of heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azora High come again, and the darkness shall flee before him.
And that's the only prophecy.
That's the like main Azora High prophecy in the books translated through like Valerian or whatever.
Hmm.
High Valerian.
Old Valyrian, high Valerian.
It's like the Bible, though.
It's like when you say some shit.
I was about to say some shit in the Bible.
It's like the Bible.
When you say something in the Bible, it says one thing, but it means something totally different.
Right.
So we can fit somebody into that prophecy.
Come the long summer, which was what everyone existed.
Right.
Here comes the cold night, which was the Night King.
That came through.
And then they killed the prince, which was Daenerys.
And then peace comes to the room.
Azora High.
So then Jon Snow is the Prince of His Promise.
It's either John or Arya.
Depending on how you interpret the darkness was, yeah.
Ah.
She literally ended the darkness by killing the Night King.
By killing the Night King.
But is the darkness Danny or is the darkness?
Night King.
I don't fucking know.
I'm lost.
I say Night King.
Literally, yeah, we can take that as probably the closest.
I think they just stopped running with it.
I don't think they.
Yeah, I think they dropped the ball.
Any other, any other thoughts?
I think we should go broader.
Okay.
I'm not going to talk about episode and just talk about the series now because the series is.
Before we do that, I want to get Weezy's take on it.
Weezy, would you come here and tell us for a second how you felt about the Game of Thrones?
I'm like a game main scene.
There's five of you.
Jesus Christ.
On that note, I have to make it sexual.
I'm sorry.
Al.
I am doing a sex episode on Game of Thrones now.
You are?
Yeah.
It's for my Patreon, but because Mandy doesn't watch, but there's so many fetishes and different deviant shit.
And I feel like I want to break down all the scenes because Pornhub has it anyway.
Hold on one second.
Let Haney speak on the mic.
Oh, shit.
We got it.
Go on.
So, yeah, I want to do a Game of Thrones sex episode and talk about, you know, like the bisexual threesome with the Dorn guy and like, you know.
And you've watched from the beginning.
Yeah.
What were your thoughts on this last episode?
Super disappointed.
Why?
I felt like, you know, especially even when I'm upset and angry at the episode in a good way, right?
When like all these fucking kids are burning last week.
Right.
I'm enraged.
I can feel it.
I felt nothing.
I wanted to grab my phone and look at Twitter.
There wasn't a lot of emotional connection for this episode.
Not at all.
What about the moments between the brother and sister?
Like when like John would like hug Sansa or hug Arya and there's these moments.
That I thought was great.
I actually didn't mind like how it ended.
I didn't mind the brand thing, but I just felt he was fixing the chairs.
You started crying during that moment.
Yeah, I liked it.
I liked that moment, but like he was fixing the chairs.
Just think about that for a minute.
Like it had no significance.
Like an hour and a half.
He's nervous.
But like, come on.
Do something else.
Have Danny die with some more blood.
Give me more than that.
The dragon shit, that was great.
But maybe the point is life goes on.
Right?
Maybe the point is like it continues.
Like this is part of the existence.
Fucked up shit happens, but we got to keep on.
I mean, then why make it so intense this entire time?
Remember when Sam was at the Masons and he was like, they always say the kingdom's going to end, but it never does.
It never does.
They always say the kingdom's going to end.
Remember that one time that happened?
Remember that one time this happened?
It never does.
It always goes.
It always goes.
I will tell you what this episode was.
I was embarrassed to tell people that I've been investing this much time.
Imagine if you started watching Game of Thrones this season just to check it out.
Like you'd be like, what the fuck is this?
This is stupid.
There was nothing exciting.
Bullshit.
You could have someone sit in your house while you were watching any other Game of Thrones episode and they'd be like, oh shit, what is this?
No.
But they shouldn't be able to enjoy this in and of itself, in my opinion.
Shouldn't they feel closure?
I would actually say the fault of it is maybe you can enjoy it without, like, it's so surface level this season that like you don't really need to know all that.
Actually, this is a great point.
The Walking Dead walkers hopped on board, right?
That's right.
Here's the main complaint of people watching season one, right?
Like, I had to convince a lot of people to watch it.
They got to get invested.
They watched the first three episodes and they're like, I have no idea what's going on.
It's so dense.
There's all these characters.
They're all doing different shit.
What is going on?
Yeah.
Right.
And that's the testament to how good it was because when you get invested and you put the time in, you're like, holy shit, there's so much shit.
This season was the opposite of that.
And I feel like this was like the most commercialized mainstream storybook version of Game of Thrones, right?
Jerry Brock on them.
So I would argue that it's actually more accessible because of that.
Like you could just tune in and be like, oh, there's a dragon.
But was that really what HBO wanted?
More accessible?
Like, dude, we all know what they're doing.
All fucking starting January.
That's this, but they weren't going to do it.
Did you have it, or would you rather have what we have now?
I would rather not have this version of it.
Me too.
Hold on.
So the question is, would you rather they just stopped making the show?
Yeah.
Or have this?
I finished the actual show.
If it took them another 10 years to give me good shit, I won't finish this show.
I think they're going to call this huge.
The way that Harry Potter works, think about it.
One thing is this, I would obviously want a conclusion versus nothing, but I feel like there are ways to make a better conclusion.
And I guarantee once those novels drop, HBO is going to license them shits again, and they're going to run it right back.
I don't think they wanted to do it with different showrunners.
So they were like.
They better.
I think if there's anything we learned is that the talent is George R. Martin, not the showrunners, because the second the showrunners had to do it by themselves, all of us started losing our shit going, these episodes suck.
Well, they didn't want to do it.
Well, then let's someone else.
That's our problem.
That's what's crazy about like, you know what's so crazy to me is there's this character that they're literally writing, which is Tyrion, right?
Who gets written out of history, right?
And he has to check his ego, right?
He has to check his own ego.
And they couldn't even fucking do it, you blind pieces of shit.
You could just hand this off to other capable storytellers.
There's a lot out there.
By the way, on the staff, there's other writers that have written a bunch of episodes that Brian Kogman passed over.
You know what I'm saying?
The Astros are so good.
Sophie Turner's 23.
Right?
I mean, think about that.
And no, it isn't meaningful.
You can't do it either.
Actors are meaningless.
But my point, I mean, we watch King Joffrey.
We watch all these people bring all this energy into that.
And you're telling me you gave, you have these great people we've watched that long and you gave them this.
It's not.
That's why they left a Starbucks Cup.
They don't give a fuck.
No, I think they did it on purpose.
But the thing about the actors is like, it doesn't matter how good an actor is if the story sucks.
That's my point.
You put these people to waste.
You've invested so much time.
You've made them amazing at their craft.
It's not fair to the same person.
That's what I'm saying.
Imagine that.
Like, for their arcs, I understand why the actor who plays Varus is pissed off about his character going out the way he did, right?
Yeah.
Like, Sir Barriston or whoever it is, basically, every actor.
There's a three-minute compilation of every actor on the show complaining about it.
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I'm just disappointed about it.
Yeah, it's great.
But going back to how if I could, if I had the two options, would I wait or would I just take this version?
Yeah.
Like, if you told me that at the end of the last season when we were like, oh my God, we got to wait a year and a half.
What the fuck?
I would have been like, but we waited.
So, like, why not just wait a little longer?
Yeah.
Like, oh, yeah, we waited a year and a half for this.
That's crazy.
That's to me what makes it worse.
Is that I waited two years for this rushed season.
Yeah, if you're going to wait, give us a rush right away.
What was the point?
So, but at the same time, we still got two of the best Game of Donald episodes we ever had.
In what?
The Belle.
Last episode.
Oh, yeah.
That was one of the first.
Every episode in the history of the show.
But best, don't get me wrong.
Wait, what was the other one?
I don't think best means like a word episode.
I love this.
You got to feel it.
Yeah, I wouldn't say one of the best, but I liked it.
It was good.
But not even the top five.
Five was the shit.
Five was the shit.
And episode five.
You didn't like episode one.
That was one of the best episodes of all time.
It was like a top five.
First of all, absolutely.
Absolutely was.
Best episode of the entire season was a season six finale.
Top five episodes go.
In my opinion, he'll go next.
Season six finale when Cersei kills the cathedral for fire.
A bunch of bears.
Second Battle of Blackwater, maybe, maybe Battle of the Bastards.
One of the battles, right?
Three.
Let's put that in there.
Sure.
What about the Mountain and the Viper?
Cobra and Martell.
That was an incredible episode.
That was fun.
What about The Lion in the Rose?
I think it's called The Lion in the Rose, where Joffrey dies.
Yep.
Incredible episode.
I'm waiting to see a game about it.
You're saying Hardhome incredible.
Amazing.
Whoa.
Come on.
Can you imagine if Cersei got the shit thrown up?
That was Shame.
That's the one after Shame was amazing.
He's a winner.
That first eight minutes with Xercy getting ready.
He's back.
He was doing so well, too.
He was doing so well.
He was getting excited.
Bro, he said Targaryen.
He said all of them perfectly.
And then Cersei.
Cersei.
Yeah, yeah.
Cersei.
That was like the pain.
Hey, you want to get minutes of television I've ever seen?
Why don't you like Aria?
I look her.
Why don't you have a...
You saw her in LA once.
She said she walked weird.
It was a whole thing for him.
What?
Oh, wait, that was weird.
That was off the table.
No, no, she walks out of the show.
This show is so important to me as well.
I'm like LeBron Jim.
Because there's so many strong women.
As much as I hated Cersei, I enjoyed it.
She's the best.
I love Cersei.
Cersei.
Aria, what does she do?
It's so unbelievable.
You're her.
You're her.
You're 11.
You don't have that vertical.
There's no way that you're that good with the weapons.
You're fine.
I'm not going to be mad.
No, no, no.
She's 4'11.
So, how tall is Tyrion?
But we love him.
Because he's smart.
He's not ninjaing people to death.
He's Brianna Tarth bodies, motherfuckers, because she's 6'4.
And Aria.
She's about killing her.
Is Aria body?
Brianna Tarth.
Yo, but Aria's too little.
Like, I don't buy it.
I don't like that.
No, but you got to enjoy that part of it.
There's nothing romantic about it.
It's like, well, I can't follow that.
I didn't like her story.
But I mean, you know.
And Santa, I totally agree with you.
Those setting up shit.
I love how they've played out women in this shit.
What's the old lady's name?
The grandma?
Elena Lady Elena.
All of them was mom.
She was mom.
What's her name that I wanted to fuck?
The Dorn chick that died with her daughter.
I would have loved to see her body in the basement, though, because she was still in the basement watching her daughter die.
That's what it was.
The sickest way to get out of this.
I would have loved to see her in a good episode.
Someone like run by her and them just two bodies in the basement.
That'd be perfect.
By the way, who was the Dorn representative in the council in this episode?
That was the Prince of Dorn.
Okay.
Just a new hairy.
You didn't mention that flowing hair?
Not in front of the fire.
On a man's chest.
Woof.
Wow.
Yeah.
Full.
Chest moss.
She went all black.
He's like that yellow.
The lack of sex this season.
You give me rape in the first one.
I don't know.
I had all the sex I could have with Jamie and they ran.
I don't want to see no Aria, pussy.
When they ran the pre-episode, they go like violence, nudity.
There was no nudity.
I had a single tear.
I was like, all right, I really wanted to see Brianne's nipple.
And I thought I was a little upset.
I'm like, wow, really?
You give me clavicle?
She was fucking.
She was a big girl.
She's a big woman.
I just feel like there's so much shit in the Game of Thrones that they didn't give me.
You know what I mean?
There were a few things that I didn't get that I wanted.
Like, I wanted Brianne to go above the wall and go back and be with Torman.
I thought that would have been dope.
Yes.
Oh, she goes.
Since Jamie broke her heart.
Yo, Pretty Blonde Dudes was obviously her type.
Yeah, that's what I'm excited.
She'll find another one.
All right, so what do we think about her rewriting Jamie's story?
What do you mean?
I like that.
Oh, I love it.
I liked it.
She did a wiki pie.
Fuck Jamie.
What's the big deal?
Why is everyone so concerned about Jamie's legacy?
Because he's good-looking women, like good-looking people.
You got a soft spot for that.
You know what I mean?
Jamie did all that shit.
What she didn't write is like, at the end, he went back to the bitch.
Yes, he did.
She wrote that.
She did.
She said he died and protected her.
That's what I thought was so dope about it.
Because I would have been selling him out.
I'd have been like, the arm fell off.
I mean, she didn't lie.
She didn't lie.
He died protecting his queen.
That's what he did.
I mean, it is funny that she could have used emotional opportunities.
She could have been petty because I would have did it.
She could have been that.
You're right.
Dick ain't even that big.
Comes back.
Like, I don't even understand why you sweat him in the first place.
The best part about him is that stump on his arm.
You know, he takes it off.
What do you guys think happened to all the Ravens that Vera sent out?
Yo.
What happened?
I don't know.
I'm assuming that they were all, I guess they went out to everyone, right?
Is that who they were?
The War Council probably knew that.
So I guess they knew who John.
I guess that's how they knew who John was and everything.
I really thought this show was going to be over until the more I sit here, there's so many questions that are unanswered.
It's like, did they do it on purpose or they just don't give a fuck?
I'm sure part of it's on purpose.
Like, leave it open for the sake of it.
When she said, I want to figure out what's West and I was like, okay.
West of Westeros?
Now about to come out with the movie.
West of Westeros?
Yo, she's not interesting without her revenge narrative.
That's what I'm saying.
She's not interesting anymore.
You just want to share her.
I don't want to see fucking parts unknown Aria.
I'm just going to get a little bit of a fray.
That's the best.
I know.
She gives a fuck her walking around eating food and Western Westerlox.
She doesn't like anyone.
She can't kill anyone because she has no reason to be walking around killing people.
Right.
If that's the case, then she's a scumbag.
Yeah, she's a scumbag.
But hold up.
Maybe she's going to take, maybe the town is going to be fucked up West of Westeros.
Maybe she's going to stay next to Brand and make sure no one tries to off him at some point.
Boom.
People said Aria, too, when Aria went on her little thing.
They was like, I don't care about Arya.
She ended up being the most entertaining character.
So I think something.
And there was a storyline West Westeros.
Because her shit to me isn't smart enough.
That's a wild hot take, though, that you're out on this whole Aria.
Completely out.
Yeah.
Yeah, I would say.
I didn't like the Night King.
I'm just saying, like, for me, what I love about Cersei is that she outsmarts everyone.
Like, everybody gets bodied.
But not everybody can be just outsmarting people.
Some people got to get their hands dirty.
Yeah, but don't make shows about them.
And to be fair, she's got to be someone's got to be.
She's the one that made the hound go back in and start fighting Aria.
She inspires people to do shit in a tiny little person, right?
She takes action.
Cersei was sitting there with that wine glass, like, okay, you know.
Just body and like Sans is trying to figure out how to gameplay, and she's just showing up to people, taking people's necks out.
Like, that's, you got to appreciate that.
Yeah, it's a side character.
Like, Aria is not a side character.
Aria is, Aria is a great side character.
Aria is a side character.
Why do you think the whole last battle was from her POV?
Which one?
The Bells, the last episode.
I love that scene in the middle of the day.
She was the one rotting.
She wasn't around the streets.
She saw someone else doing King's Landing Cancer.
And then she was wrong.
That was really good when she told that lady, okay, like, come out of here.
And then that lady died.
That was great.
Like, all that emotion.
I love that.
I mean, I don't care who walked around it.
I was more into the dragon than I was, like, Arya's point of view.
Really?
Yeah, I could have used a tall.
You were concerned about the dragon the whole time.
Maybe somebody's six, too.
We could see over some stuff.
I was just looking at fucking chest for the entire episode.
All I'm saying is, I don't see enough to follow.
Like, I have zero interest.
Write me a card, but I don't care about going with you west of West.
Did you enjoy the faces with Arya?
No, it sucks.
Okay, so maybe that's why I like it.
Well, I like the faces.
The face is too good.
I know it is right there.
I like the faces too.
So I think that's what it is.
That's when I got it.
Learn how to sweep.
I think the hottest take of all is that you think Arya, one, isn't the main character, and two, not a likable.
Side character.
Shake the Hulk should never be a main character.
Really fun when they pop in and do some shit, but don't make the movie only.
She had a great initial setup when she was spending all that time with Tywin, and their dialogue was one of the best parts of the show.
Some of the best parts.
Yes.
Yes.
Oh, so when she was a side character.
Thank you.
I don't know where that's.
I don't know where the side character is coming from.
That's literally how they were starting trailers.
And she's a side character.
She's a side character.
Look, all the main characters, get their own character.
John, get their own character.
Danny, Cersei.
This is main characters.
John, Danny, Cersei.
Yes.
That said.
No.
Tyrion.
Tyrion.
Sansa.
Sansa.
Sansa is a side character.
Yo, Grey Joint is a side character.
Grey Joint is a character.
Yo, Grey Joint needs to get his mouth shut.
The first thing you see in Devil Jones is Arya running through when Robin is coming in through.
As soon as you mention Sansa, he's standing up.
Sansa is a side character.
Wasn't it?
It was her watching her dad die.
That's when we felt that, like, yeah, she had, I mean, when you fell in love with Arya, that moment's like, okay, now you're about to do some shit.
Aria wasn't the first person you saw when she was taking Carathion comes and she's running through Winterfeld.
It's literally from her perspective.
Yeah, she was a great point of view.
Look, the book is a series of.
You know what?
You get real misogynistic.
I just told you I love Cersei.
But she's the only manly bitch on the show.
Well, Brianna Torre.
But you know what I'm saying?
Brianna Tarza.
Okay, Cersei is just smart.
Mask energy.
I think Aria.
Like, she's smart?
No.
What is masculine about her energy at all?
We see her on the ground.
We see her be very ruthless.
We normally see that with Cersei.
Yeah.
Do you want to fuck Cersei?
No.
What?
Yeah, no, I don't fuck with Cersei.
Get the wig.
What about Brianne?
Cersei has this is a personal thing.
We're getting into my character.
Cerina has everything.
But I've never been into like Kiera Knightley because her.
She's a little bit of a real single-that's my thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And Cersei reminds me of Kiera Knightley in like the worst way.
Because she has that.
She's that weird shoulderboard.
And she does this thing.
Wait, in life?
Yes.
When you interviewed him?
Yes, I interviewed him.
Okay, so what happened?
She was giving me like the sexy eye.
Cersei?
Yes.
Lena.
Lena?
Lena Haythill.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And she was just eyeing me the whole time for like 30 minutes during the press conference.
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Did you throw it at her?
Yo, I walked over to her and was like, hey, what's up?
And she said, I thought your hat said cunt.
She didn't want to.
What did it say?
I thought for a good 20 minutes.
I was about to get started.
What did he say?
And after that, he was like, is Sansa or death?
I have nothing to start seeing no ghosts.
Now things are starting to make sense.
Sansa gotta take that hoe out.
Did you ever interview Sansa or do you know how to fucking die?
Exactly.
He's like, Ryan.
Fuck her.
She died with me.
She'll never have songs sung about her.
Okay, wait.
In real life, who would you want to fuck?
Hold on.
He missed this.
Yo, what did he say?
He's like, she'll never have stories or fables told about fables.
You ain't gonna have no fables, bitch.
You ain't gonna have no fables, bro.
Yo, just like it's a song of viral ice.
You ain't got me either, bitch.
You lukewarm over here, bitch.
Oh, my God.
I can't breathe.
Now you think she's a cut.
Yo, I'm fucking going crazy.
That's why you got death by rubble.
I mean, the rubble was down.
Bro.
She's a Flintstone now.
We went to say that for three years.
Yeah, but Debbie, don't curve me again.
All right.
What'd your hat say?
Cult.
So before I walk away, I do want to know everyone's top fucks and favorite sex scenes because how else would I end?
Mine was, I hate to say it because as a feminist, I shouldn't like the unwanted sex, but goddamn, that like ish rape scene with Kyle Drogo and Khaleesi.
Fuck yeah.
That was the one that got me.
You know what I liked early, I think it was season one?
That forehead kiss?
No, no.
Khaleesi's like maid who was in the bath with Daenerys' brother.
Oh.
Wait, who's that guy she used to fuck that had the long hair?
That was a cousin.
That was her cousin.
The other one.
Well, my cousin don't look like that.
But let me see who I would want to fuck on the show.
Obviously, Jason M.O., but I'm trying to think outside the box here.
I loved watching Jon Snow and what's her name?
The Wildling Chick.
That was a sexy scene.
Those nipples.
Why do redheads always have tiny nipples like that?
I don't know.
But anyway, that was a really cute scene.
It made me look up ginger porn for like a week.
Oh, shit.
Okay.
Top sex scene.
Go to Jack.
I'm still thinking about it.
I gave you mine.
Zilla, Massange, and Grey Worm.
I just love that.
You like the scissors?
She was like, you like the dickless scissor?
I just love seeing her tits.
They just are ridiculous.
You know what?
You go ahead.
Looking at the only black girl on the show.
All right, brother.
I'll see you.
Haney.
It was Igrid and John because I shouldn't have been attracted to Igrit.
And I had to really, it made me, I had to go inward and be like, what?
Why?
Why am I so turned on here?
Why not be attracted to her?
I don't know.
She's like a really skinny redhead, and that wouldn't be what I would think I'd be attracted to.
But I fucking love you, Rose Leslie.
Wow.
What's yours?
Oh, best sex scene.
Wow, that is.
They're all on Born Hub.
It just hasn't been sex in so long.
Welcome again, getting away from what really matters on the show.
I loved the fucking threesomes between the dude and his wife, the Dorne.
And they would bring like men and women in the world.
You know which ones?
You know what?
This is weird.
There was a bathtub scene with Fion and some whore.
Well, she's not just some whore.
She was the whore.
She was the red whore.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The one from Winterfell Winter.
She was literally every scene she was in.
She was named.
She was a whore.
Yeah.
So that one, I think that one.
There was one where like the girl's facial expression demonstrated the size of Theon's dick.
Because you know they would always talk about how Theon had a big dick.
And then like she was really into it.
And I was like, oh, I guess she does have a big dick, big dick.
So I'd like to.
That was your favorite?
Yeah.
I like the one.
Remember when the Lannister soldiers went into the brothel and that chick just like crawled with her pussy first?
Yes.
Crawled backwards.
You don't remember that?
100% remember that.
But that's the sub in me.
I like the Red Witch when she was bagging.
Yeah.
I was kind of into that.
I was like, damn.
You know what's funny?
I saw someone say on Twitter, like, oh, would you fuck her if you know she could change at any moment?
And I was like, yes.
What?
If I'm already in it, you know what I'm saying?
I could close my eyes and feel a little raining.
Amulet come off.
Next thing you know, you fucking, what's the name?
Betty White from the Google.
Once you're in it, though.
She's mad, dry.
Nah.
Scissoring starts drying out for me.
She's mad wet as she goes.
All your amulets pop up and like.
Okay, so if you had to, would you fuck Cersei or Masande?
Masanda.
If I had to fuck, 100% Massander.
Yeah, you got to marry me.
What am I fucking for, though?
Dude, I don't know.
Nah, because sometimes fucking for experience is way better.
Like, like, fucking freak.
Oh, that's a good point.
Cersei's.
That is a good point.
Yeah.
Like, am I fucking just to get some pussy?
Because I'm going to pick Massandra.
Motherfucking like the fucking.
Oh, she's hotter, but.
Yeah, I'm going to pick Cersei.
Cersei's.
Cersei's going to do some wild shit.
Cersei's going to do some wild shit.
She fucks her in that underback.
Danny or Masande?
Ooh, Danny.
Amelia Clock be looking homely and we're alive.
Alex.
My friend, you know what I'm saying?
Alex Pissy.
She was at the Rockets Cany the other night in a fucking ass.
She didn't order her.
No.
Did she see her?
She had the fucking skirt onto her ankles.
I'm watching.
Did she look skinny?
Wait, who's that?
You know why?
Because her whole image is based off of being naked as Danny.
Fam.
That's overcompensating.
I mean, come on.
Yeah.
We did see the assistant.
Let me see a little ankle.
Let me get some shit.
Yeah, she was.
She was.
Remember when she was wearing that hot-ass fucking alpha?
Those are my favorite days, and it was like hot outside.
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I don't remember where they were at.
No more, no more horrible decisions.
Game of Thrones sex talk.
Yeah, this is a.
We're crossing paths.
You are such an alpha female.
You've turned this into horrible mission.
Big strap energy.
Hey.
Thank you so much, Weezy.
Thanks, Bill.
Thanks for coming on.
Okay, Jack, why don't you take us into what we have to look at, not forward to, but potentially look at for the future?
Did you guys wrap it up?
Did you guys notice the Westworld trailer?
No.
Oh, wait.
I thought we were talking about the Game of Thrones future.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Later on my podcast future.
No, no.
Game of Thrones future.
I think they left the intentional, intentionally left the door open to have a possible sequel or multiple sequels like we were just talking about.
The immediate next step is a prequel that takes place a thousand years before all of this shit that went down.
And what is happening?
That's the Targaryen dynasty?
No, that's like the first men.
That's like what happened with the Night King, like how he got turned into the Night King.
Oh, shit.
So maybe is that why everyone complained about Night King not having a backstory?
They probably were saving it for that.
But that still sucks.
But yeah, we'll see.
I hope D.B. Weiss and David Benioff are not attached.
I hope they never.
I'm boycotting everything they do from here on out.
So they got signed on to do the next three Star Wars trilogies after this one that comes out in December.
But was that no knowledge before the last couple weeks?
It came out within the last like.
But did you know that like beforehand?
Yeah, that's been out.
Okay.
All right.
I don't know that.
Have you interviewed these guys?
No, I never interviewed them.
Fucking I'm trying to say with actors and not like the behind the scenes guys.
I'm just okay.
So whatever.
We have a couple of things that could happen in the world.
That's something that we could look forward to.
I love they open up the world.
If you listen to Danny's speech, she talks about shit I've never heard of before, like all types of different lands she wants to conquer.
Oh.
I was like, oh, they opened up the world.
I thought snoop.
Huh.
Huh.
Okay, so then maybe we get to see some of that.
Where did Dwarfracky go?
They're still there.
They're just multiplying by the fucking second.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
There's six of them.
Makes no sense.
Yeah.
Now they're a full male, too.
Like, where the fuck?
It's unbelievable.
Yeah, it's going to be a weird dynamic in King's Landing, for sure.
So you're going to have some issues, too, right?
Well, because they can't produce offspring.
They're just going to an island where they're all just dickless.
I know.
At some point, you know.
Doesn't seem sustainable.
Yeah, they're just going to grow old.
They're just going to die somewhere.
And there's going to be no young people, you know, putting in tax benefits to take care of these old people.
Yeah.
They're just going to die.
Good, though.
Yeah.
Greyworm really just.
What?
Greyworm really just took a turn and ended up.
I would like to have seen something there.
I needed John Greyworm, bro.
I needed some smoke.
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I really wanted to see it.
John also really got left with nothing, too, other than a guilty conscience.
Like he really did worse than anyone.
But that's where he's supposed to be.
No, but he's got a stupid fucking dog.
It would have been nice if they somehow didn't kill off your grit and she was just waiting for him there at the end of the world.
Yep.
I would have won my heart as corny as that would have been.
Actually kind of, yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
Because you want to see something happen for him.
He's just going to live with the rest of his life.
But I guess that's what the whole thing.
He's been miserable the whole fucking show.
He might as well be miserable for the rest of his fucking life.
Oh, that's a class half full way to think about it.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, guys.
What a crazy.
I mean, any last thoughts?
It's over.
It's just a crazy thing.
It sucks that it's over.
Let's look at the impact of this show as a show, right?
Like before this, Game of Thrones was really like the first AAA, like blockbuster TV show on this scale.
And it was kind of just paving the way as it went.
And the idea of seeing a full-blown dragon in season one was mind-blowing, right?
And then we're dealing with three dragons and then we're dealing with like undead dragons.
And then now we're at the point where we're complaining about all this shit.
But like we've been given a lot by this show.
So much.
Yeah.
I still think it's the greatest show ever to be put on television.
You look at all the other shows that are comparable to it.
I feel like Breaking Bad went out with a thud.
I feel like this is a good one.
Whoa.
Hold on.
Whoa, You didn't like the last?
I think the last three episodes of Breaking Bad were the grit.
It's the greatest, in my opinion, the perfect example of how you end a show.
Yes.
Breaking Bad was okay, man.
It has not aged well.
When's the last time you watched Breaking Bad?
I've watched it three times over.
I've watched every season three times.
It hasn't aged well.
You watched it recently?
Oh, yeah.
It hasn't aged well.
I could not get it.
Hot take.
Yeah, yeah.
But here's the thing.
If we're looking at, like, TV has always been.
I still agree this is the best show in history.
Well, there's an argument to be made with, like, this is like comparing Avengers to like Goodfellas, right?
Like, it's a different form of show.
And I agree, it's one of the best ever, Game of Thrones.
But I almost look at it differently because it's not like human story.
It's this like fantasy world.
It's like Lord of the Rings comparing Lord of the Rings to Taxi Driver or some shit.
Right, right.
There are handcuffs that you have to wear telling stories that are real.
That you do not have to wear in fantasy.
Yeah, I don't know.
I've always looked at Game of Thrones as this different thing.
It doesn't take away from how great it is.
That's fair.
That's super fair.
But it's also no fun to have those discussions.
It's way more fun to be like, top five, all eras.
It may be.
It may be top five all the time.
It's just a big top five.
It's gotta be top five all the time.
Just for the impact, like alone.
And for quality.
Like, God, we were obsessed with this fucking show.
This show was so good.
It was so good for us.
And we're not talking about a sitcom that has like 22 episodes a season, so you're constantly in your face.
We're talking about, what were these seasons?
10.
10, 10, 6.
10 episodes.
Then we wait a year and a half patiently.
Six.
For six.
Like, this was quality, man.
I think for me, maybe if the season was different, I'd be thinking about it.
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
As far as impact, you think there's another show ever that is going to be a weekly event.
They say this was the last time, though.
When did they say this last time?
This was the last one.
Well, but here's the thing.
Yo, Breaking Bad people are like not on the great, not on the scale because not as many viewers.
That was already on at the end of the day.
Even with Lost.
You know what I mean?
Like, Lost was like a huge thing?
It's like, oh, it's never going to be awesome.
Lost ended crap, too.
Lost ended terribly.
To be fair, Lost might have been the last network television show though.
Yeah, Network, I think, is that it's true.
When you think of the best TV shows, how many of them belong to HBO?
That's a great question.
Lost TV is Wire, Soprano.
Sopranos.
The Wire.
Game of Thrones.
Wire.
That's three right there.
Everybody says I got to watch Deadwood.
I'm not going to lie.
It's a short show, but everybody.
Like in the top five?
Like, they have three of the top five.
That's insane.
Isn't that fucking insane?
Well, so here's the thing.
So like HBO established themselves as the place to be.
They're very good at curating and having like a quality to everything they put out there.
Mostly everything.
Yeah.
Now, when Game of Thrones first came out, Netflix wasn't what it is now.
And it's kind of like evolved through this binge-watching era where we have everything at our fingertips to be the last of like, I actually thought about that as this episode was finishing tonight where I was like, this is the last time like I could hear my neighbor watching it.
I could hear like my doorman was like, yo, did you see it?
Bro, I heard someone going like something like garbage, like shoot across from the hall.
And I was like, you're fucking loser.
Why aren't you watching this episode?
When I remember the episode when Jon Snow was brought back to life, I had paused my TV for a second to go get food and forgot about it.
And then I'm watching the show.
And so I'm now on like a 30-second behind.
All of a sudden, 30 seconds forward, he gets raised from the dead.
My entire building starts cheering.
I can hear it everywhere.
And then all of a sudden, I'm like, wait, why is everyone sharing?
And I was like, oh, fuck, I'm on delay.
And he opens his eyes and I was like, I knew it.
But it was like everyone who's watching it.
So these moments, right?
Like, what these moments take, and this is kind of, it's a very, it's sheer luck in a lot of ways, right?
TV has transitioned into streaming.
And the difference with streaming is that we're all watching these shows at our own time, right?
So there's not this, hey, I'm going to wait a week and then I'll catch up on the next episode.
I'll just watch the entire season in a weekend, right?
So which affects how we digest it.
And then how we communicate with each other.
Like one of the great things about Game of Thrones or like Sopranos back in the day was that whole week, you had a discussion point with every stranger that you met.
Yes.
Right.
It was no different than free small talk, dude.
And it was so great because you didn't have to go, well, where are you from?
Or what do you do?
Those are stupid questions.
We just say so we can find some connection.
Hey, you think John's on the throne?
Honestly, my thought is everybody got the hot take and we could really kind of coalesce over this one show.
And that was the power of TV and the power of film in a lot of ways.
Like you saw it with Endgame.
Endgame came out.
What was your theory?
How'd you guys feel?
And there was a moment where we all came together and we're so fractured because of streaming, even though it's way easier to take in this information, but we're so fractured.
And now because streaming is the norm, you will never have another moment like this in the history of content.
I don't think so.
And it's fucking true.
I think you're right.
It's possible.
You ever think it's possible, but it's going to be so hard.
You don't think there'll ever be a blowback?
Because right now it really seems like there's a quality control issue.
There actually is.
Check it.
This is what I think we should do, right?
This is what I would do.
And this very hard because for multiple reasons, but I would say, let's say you had a property that you really believed in, and no network would do this, but no network would just say, okay, make two seasons in a row.
But let's say you really believe in this property.
I would say make two seasons in a row, let them binge it.
Then that third season, they're going to have to wait every week because you got to get them addicted.
That's Breaking Bad.
Nobody watched Breaking Bad initially, right?
And then we streamed that shit, addicted.
Now we'll wait.
So that's what I would do.
I do first two seasons stream, third one you wait.
There's talk of so Hulu started doing this.
They do it with Handmage Tell and other shows where they release them like weekly.
But there's talk of Netflix doing that.
They do it with some of their shows.
They do it with Patriot Act.
It works for that talk show format.
But I could see them toying with that because basically what happens is you consume it and then you just want more.
And all of the conversations revolved around seasonal theories instead of episodic theories.
And it takes a lot of.
And you don't control the real estate.
Like when Game of Thrones is on, HBO controls the conversation for two whole months.
And it's on SNL.
Everything.
It's ingrained in pop culture.
And so what happens is the lifespan for like a seasonal show on Netflix is like a weekend or a week.
Dude, it's not.
Stranger Things comes and goes like that, right?
And it's big when it's like out for like a week.
Pops.
Game of Thrones has been like the whole year.
Look what happened with this very podcast.
We have a podcast that was able to grow, exponentially increase in following size during a season.
That's insane.
And how many people kept it?
That's insane.
How many people kept HBO subscriptions just for one show?
100,000.
Everybody who has an HBO subscriber.
I mean, there's only two other things I care about watching on HBO.
Pretty little lies.
Oh, my gosh.
What is that?
I cannot wait for that.
I love that.
I'm sorry.
Big little lies.
This is a testament to HBO, right?
Succession's good, too.
You got to watch Spillets.
Everybody says succession.
I think that's one of the shows I get in later.
But here's the thing.
They're kind of doing like what Netflix is trying to do.
Netflix just has a bunch of shit.
He looks like Red Skull.
He does.
Barry.
I can't stick his face either.
I can't.
I just look at his face.
Barry's incredible.
You guys should be watching.
No, I know he's incredible, but he's also a skull.
Here's the thing about HBO.
Yeah.
He has no collagen in his whole face.
Like, if you imagine a face without any collagen, that would be Barry.
Look how Andrew looked like an hour ago.
You do look better.
You do look better.
Son, I'm going to fall apart the second I walk out of here.
Yeah, the collagen's there.
It's popping.
No, the thing about HBO is like, Game of Thrones was the unifier.
Everybody watched that, but everybody has their own different favorite HBO show.
And it's a testament to how good they are at curating content and developing content.
Unbelievable.
They're still like the go-to for me.
If I see a commercial on HBO, I'm like, I'm more likely to just check that out because I know it's more likely than not to be good.
Yeah.
You trust them.
They have credibility with you.
Netflix, I have no trust.
This is it, bro.
Right at nine o'clock, they're like Game of Thrones start in two minutes.
I'm like, all right, here we go.
They're going to show us all the next like.
So who watched it on Apple watched it on TV?
I watched on TV.
So you saw the countdown?
Yeah.
Why am I a sucker for a countdown?
I missed it.
They had a countdown.
It's like Game of Thrones.
It was two minutes and 15 seconds.
And it was like, it counted down, I think from 10.
Yeah, yeah.
And I was like, fuck, let's go.
Sucker first.
Give us suspense.
We want it.
Anyway, look, it's late.
I'm hungover.
I need to get some sleep.
Thank you guys so much for coming and doing this.
Thank you, Zilla, Zilla.
Let them know where they can see you, get all your content.
Blogzilla, B-O-G-X-I-L-L-A.
Follow me everywhere, Twitter, Instagram.
And also your shows or your content.
How do people access your content?
Because I'll just see these random interviews that you do.
But is that a weekly thing or is that just coming around?
That's the same thing.
I have a YouTube channel.
It's Vlogzilla TV and YouTube.
You can find it on Global Grind.
I host a show on Twitter called PowerStar Live.
I have a lot of games.
No, you're cooking, man.
Yeah, you're cooking.
And you have good interviews with like, you know, I mean, this is like the highest profile actors in the business.
So it's very cool to see.
And thank you guys for gracing us with your presence.
Thank you.
Haney, Jack, Marco, Alex, Natalia.
Thank you guys so much for being here and doing it.
Doing this.
I appreciate it.
Wheezy.
Wheezy left us already.
But thank you guys.
This has been Wester Bros.
We will continue this.
We're going to have some little internal talks about what the next thing we should do, maybe some more movies.